Good morning everyone, Welcome to episode two sixty five of Hobby Hotline. Cousin
Tony on the Mike, and today I'm joined by two of the biggest guys
in the Hobby. First up, Mike Joke Wax Hero Mike, what's going
on? Brother? Hey, good, I'm thrilled to be here. We're
it's supposed to be in the middle of a hurricane here, but it's pretty
tame in Maine right now. It's uh little windy, no rain, it's
no bad, okay, nice nice. And with us is our resident mechanic,
Mr. Logan King Nascar. What's going on, Logan? Well,
it's Saturday. We're talking about trading cards. So everything's great, awesome,
awesome, sounds good. Before we get started to get some of these comments,
foul Ball says, good morning, guys, Silver Fox says, my
first time to have made Let's go awesome. Well, welcome mad City.
Bruce says, good morning, and Frank says, good morning. So let's
get off and running here. So before we get into the meat and potatoes
of the episode, just want to recap you guys. I mean, obviously,
the NFL kicked off this past week and we're going into week two and
just wanted to get you guys. Just actually prospecting comes always to mine because
you hear, you know, guys talking about these quarterbacks that haven't taken a
professional snap yet, and you look at their card values and often they're worth
more than guys who've won multiple super Bowls, multiple MVPs, things like that,
And it was I mean obviously Week one now in the NFL is kind
of glorified preseason game because most of the guys don't play up until you know,
the first actual real game. Uh So, just just want to get
some thoughts first on you know, if you're watching any games or anything like
that, and just a thought of the quarterbacks that get hyped up before this
season and after Week one where you're at, So, Mike, just some
thoughts on that. Yeah, I'm not a big football guy. I don't
collect any football cards whatsoever, but I am a football fan and I found
there were a lot of a lot of surprises in Week one, like some
of the top quarterbacks played terribly. But I hopefully people aren't panicking if you're
collecting Josh Allen or Mahomes or Burrow, you're not panicking after one game because
those guys are still the best of the best, and you shouldn't be selling
just because they had a bad week one. Yeah, that's always the key
is like can these guys with stand holding on? So, you know,
just I think it depends on the age of the collective. Maybe you might
get a younger guy who panics and he's just you know, abandoning ship as
opposed to someone who's been in the game for a while. And those the
ebbs and flows of the hobby. So but uh, logan anything on that.
Well, I'm kind of like Mike, I don't collect football, and
now I do. I do have some uh some funny football card, you
know, funny football cards like uh like Dick Post and those kind of guys.
But uh uh but I don't. I don't collect it, but I
do watch it. Uh, And I'm like, Mike, don't freak out,
don't sell. I mean, it's only one week. That doesn't make
a career. So so hold on to your cards. Don't don't be in
a cell mode. I mean, if you're gonna be in a cell mode,
there's gonna be people that are gonna go ha ha, I'm gonna buy
your cards. So yeah, it's uh well, we'll we'll know more this
week about about the the temperature of the NFL and how the teams are doing.
Yeah, I agree, I think after one one week, you know,
like I said, you get your feet wet. Uh. And I'm
an Eagles fan. So they just played Thursday and they looked a little better,
but you can still see that's not really you know, it takes wow,
so they kind of figure it out. So and a lot of guys
getting hurt really early too, so I don't know if that's just conditioned or
what. But I mean, like I know, they're out three or four
starters already, so it's like cheese. You know, where's this going to
go from here? Yeah? I mean do you think that if Aaron Rodgers
had played more preseason that he might not be in a position that he's in
now. I don't know if that would protect your achilles? Yeah, I
don't know. I'm just just saying it. Just curious. Yeah, Yeah,
it's silver Fox says, sell me your Aaron Rodgers and Rooky cars.
He's scratched. There you go. Yeah, it'll be a good time to
buy on Aaron Rodgers soon, I'm sure, because he's a surefire Hall of
Famer and his values are gonna go down after this. Yeah, yeah,
with thinks So it's it's yeah, it's it's strange, I know. And
now there's a big push for the from the players Association to get grass on
all the fields. But again, that injury that he you know, I
don't know if you guys saw it, but they showed the replane. You
can see where it it actually pops in his like kind of jumps up.
It looks I was like, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't
know, that's just that was just a freak thing. So I don't know
if, you know, being conditioned or not, if that played any any
part into it. But the same thing was Kevin Durant and what year was
that, twenty nineteen NBA Finals And you could see it like its calf bounced.
I don't remember if that was his achilles or a calf problem, but
yeah, same thing. Crazy. Yeah, so not good, not good.
Orlando's here, he says hello everyone, foul. Boss says baseball only
here. He doesn't collect football. Mookie Chilston's in the house. Mookie says
Jet should have let Aaron Rodgers hold the flag on the way out of the
stadium classes. Yeah, that's something there. Rex is here, he goes.
Good morning from New Buffalo, Michigan and Ralf Brazo, Indiana. You're
on the big screen at the shop. Thank you much appreciate it. So,
speaking of the shop, there's a big release this week, I guess,
and it's causing a little little stir. I know I have some opinions
on it, but I want to see what you guys think. First Bowman
Chrome released and I'm actually gonna pull these things up as you guys are talking.
But there's a first Bowman that's being issued of guys like Babe Ruth,
Vertical Clemente, and let's just say that there's some people that have some thoughts
on it. So Mike, I'll kick it to you first. I'll pull
up the the Babe Ruth that you sent me, But talk to me about
this, this first Bowman and these legends. Yeah, it's a gimmick.
It's it's silly to me. I'm certainly not a buyer of them, but
I suspect that fanatics knows what they're doing, and they have plenty of people
who are interested in them, and any opportunity Fanatics can make to make a
buck. They're going to do it. It's just I don't think you'll see
any vintage collectors like me say, oh, I've got to have a first
bowman of Clemente or Babe Ruth. I don't even know who the checklist is
of these. See that's the twenty sixteen bowman that I sent you. That's
not even the new ones. They already had bowmans of some of these players,
So I don't know, is this not his first bowman in twenty sixteen.
It's tough to argue, you know that it's not when it's clearly is
I mean? Or well, I mean it's obviously dated way earlier than than
the one they're releasing this year and claiming it's as the first bowmen. Yeah.
So, and and here's you know, and here's the Clemente. This
one's at of fifty and this one actually has a twenty five hundred dollars price
tag on it or o bo. But I had seen one earlier this week
with a thirty five hundred dollar price tag on it, So it was just
strange. So logan where you at on this stuff? I agree, it's
it's gimmicky, for sure, There's no doubt about it. Does the Babe
Ruth card? Is he in his Boston uniform or is he in the is
in Boston? Yeah? And and the Red Sox logan, it's not even
logo, it just says Red Sox. It's way off center. It's out
of the box of where it's supposed to be. Looks terrible. Yeah,
it's I don't know, it's it's one of these things. Go back here.
It's it's one of these things that it's just I just see it that,
you know, Mike, I mean you talked about I was like,
it's a gimmick, and then you put these bounties on top of It's a
gimmick on top of a gimmick. So I mean, is are they Are
they telling us that they're really struggling to move this this product? Think?
Yeah. I mean you see, in the past week or so, we've
seen Walmart reduced prices on old blaster boxes down to now twenty dollars from thirty
or thirty five or I don't know, forty dollars. Boxes there every time
I go into Walmart or Target now they have an abundant number of boxes.
They there are tons of blaster boxes and I don't know, jumbo boxes whatever
at both of them. Now. Uh, it's just now they're saying,
who who's paying that two hundred thousand dollars bounty? I know DA Card World
David Adams is offering it, but did they have a customer who has said,
hey, we want this, or is it Tops that's offering it somehow?
That seems unlikely that they would do it through DA Card World unless they're
trying to like launder the reputation somehow through there, because it would seem weird
if Tops were doing it. I don't know. I'm really curious what other
people think about that gimmick on the gimmick with the bounties on the first Bowman
Babe Ruth one of one, Yeah, logan anything on it. I think
it's stupid money. I mean, two hundred thousand dollars for that, I
mean, godly, go and buy yourself a low end I guess you can
still buy a low end fifty two mantle for that. Yeah. I just
think it's crazy. If you've got that kind of money, you would send
it to me I can make better use of it. Yeah, Yeah,
it's it's strange. And I always say I think who who is actually paying
these bounties if and when they get you know, caught whatever. But let
me get some of these. Mark says, it's someone who collects vintage.
I wouldn't even look at these, so I collect Roberto Clemente. But then
I also will dabble in some of the newer modern things that they put out.
This one particular here, I saw it right away. I'm like,
at best, that's like a fifty dollars car, maybe a hundred on a
good day. I just don't it's based on some of the stuff that I
buy, and we'll get into that later. Just just because you slapped on
that sticker on there, it does it does nothing for me at all.
It's actually I think it's a pretty cool picture. I haven't seen that picture
used on a card before. You don't like his particular one is him Bunning,
which is but you know, you never really see that too much.
But it just did nothing to move move the needle. So I agree there
with Mark. She here, Rex says, he goes, you know,
I don't hate the idea, but I think they should have picked players who
actually never who actually never been in Bowman. The bounty is also silly.
The two hundred k is just a marketing expense for Dave and Adams. Yeah,
it's hype. They're they're they're trying to hype the product because you know,
I guess maybe a lot of people Maybe I'm not sure. I'm not
a baseball collector, but you know, I don't know what the sales are
like on that. Rex probably has a good temperature on how the sales are
on that, but maybe the sales are not as not as good as they
thought. Maybe that's they're they're trying to hype it with this two hundred thousand
dollars bounty. Yeah, I think so. See here, Cutter says,
for the money people on these contri rarity gimmick cards, you could buy a
complete set of mid sixties tops. Seems like a no brainer. Yeah,
you could, uh totally agree. Yeah, you can definitely pick up you
know what I mean, for two hundred k, you can definitely put it
into something that's a little more stable and you know that has stood the test
of time as opposed to something like this. I mean, I imagine these
guys that are playing two three four thousand dollars for these first Bowman cards,
they're really going to be regretting it in a week or two. MM.
I totally agree that there's gonna be a lot of Regretsky Chilson has a great
point. Yeah, yeah, let's see, so Mookie said, Mookie,
nostalgia is the driving force behind so much hobby spending. Fanatics knows it.
They can't profit off off actual vintage cars, so they're creating their own.
Very good point, Mike, what do you think. Yeah, I mean,
fanatics knows that there's a massive market for vintage cards. There are a
lot of people who are collecting only vintage, and they're trying to get these
guys like me to collect ultramodern two because that's the only place they can make
money unless they do weird buybacks of like nineteen fifty two tops cards or something
and try to put them in packs. But I don't know, I just
don't see this being effective in the way in getting vintage collectors into ultramodern cards.
Yeah, yeah, I am. Well here, I'll just show it
now because it's on kind of on topic, so I'll dabble in in some
of that stuff depending on what it looks and what it is. So I
have this is a twenty twenty two Island and Ginter. It's Clemente but super
fractor. But I just thought it looked cool and sure, you guys,
so like I just like the car because of the way it looks. I
know that it's not you know, obviously in the grand scheme of things,
it's not a playing Day's car. Is nothing like that. So yeah,
I kind of fall into that trap. But it's certain things, like I
said, the Bowman one. Right away, I'm like, no way.
I was like, this is just just because of the thought was like you
you slept on the bowman, you know, putting as first bowman. It
just doesn't do anything for me. But I will dabble into some of that
stuff depending on what it is. So I get it what they're going for.
Chris Harris says, a thirty three gat a thirty three Gauty autographed by
the Bay recently, so for one hundred and eighty two. So you know
you can get that. You know, there you go. I mean you
can buy you can buy the real thing with the real autograph for less money.
That means that's again, I just think it's it's crazy, it's it's
a stupid money, I think, in my opinion, yeah, let's see
here. So Steven says, good morning, All TD says, hello,
all Orlando says, if you like, if you like, if you like,
see sorry, if you like it, be patient. The prices will
go down a lot, for sure. Yeah, they always do. Yep,
yeah, for sure. That's That's one thing I had to teach my
son when he first started collecting, when he was a kid. He's thinking,
oh, I gotta get it now, we gotta buy it now.
I'm going no, no, we don't have to buy it now. Just
hold on, be patient. Prices will go down. And he later on
he's like, damn, you're right, I'm going down a while. I
know all about it. The rare dad Win, Yeah, yeah, because
back then I was kind of the dumbest man on the planet. So yeah,
it was a rare dad Win. That's great. And uh, Chris
as Joe Carter and Price Pop ruined his childhood. Yeah, Joe Carter ruined
my childhood. Man. So it h I still see it. I still
see that ball going over the fence to this day. Oh yeah, man,
that that hurt. But it is what it is, man, that's
that's what that's what made me the nice bitter Philadelphia fan that I am right.
Rex says, I actually think Allen and Ginter will be more fun next
week and half the price of Bawm and Chrome. Look at that. There
you go, there you go. Just think that this Babe Ruth card is
gonna be in the PSA set registry Babe Ruth Master set. So if you're
if you're a Babe Ruth blacter, you're gonna have You're gonna have to buy
it. If you're if you'd like graded, if you do graded, that
is true. It is true. TV says, I think some of these
will hold some value, though the main legends thoughts on that. I think
if if it's a one of one or if it's numbered, they will still
have some value in ten or twenty years, but they're gonna be there.
They'll be at their highest value in the next week or so. Yes,
I think it only declines from there. Totally agree. Elected Jams says,
awesome one and one. Thank you. Faus said it's all the gimmick.
Twenty has fine for yeah, like, but the thing is, I know,
but the thing is I know going into it, like I just I
think the car looks cool, like you know, I mean for me.
I think it's a nice portrait and it is what it is. Like I
know that I trust me. I bought this. I know that it's probably
not it's not gonna go up. But then again, like I buy this
stuff and it's not really going anywhere either, So it's like, you know,
you know, it's just everybody collects their own way, and for me,
like this is this is probably it's forever home, so you know,
it is what it is. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm certainly not
going to tell anybody how to collect and because no, I don't want anybody
tell me how to collect. But for me, it's that's just no boy,
no for me, Yeah, I understood. Silver Fox is apparently his
uh moment was as an adult and the ball was just out of the reach
of Nelson crew. Oh isn't it funny how you can, like, no
matter where where it is in time, you're gonna and Mike we were just
talking about off air and you can share it if you want, But pick
a moment in time sports and you can know exactly where you were, what
the game was, who it was, and all that stuff. And to
this day still the wound is open and every once in a while, gets
opened again, Salt gets thrown. In two thousand and three Red Sox they
had one of the greatest offenses of all time. It's my favorite team of
all time two thousand and three, two thousand and four, and I watched
every single game that year. I knew every tendency. And I remember watching
Game seven of the ALCS with my father in law and Grady Little came out
of the dugout Pedro on the mound and the seventh inning maybe and Pedro had
I think one hundred, one hundred and three pitches. My father in law
says, Oh, here comes Grady to take Pedrot. And I said,
he's not gonna take Pedro out. He's too stupid, he's too arrogant,
and he's gonna he's gonna leave Pedro in. My father in law, no
way. He walks back, and that's I knew the game was over from
there. It just you gotta take paid rout at that point. Yeah,
that's still it still burns me, even though they won the World Series the
next year. Still for sure, Yeah, it was. And how the
bad ones stick longer than the good memories? Logan, you have anything like
that with any sports event a race or anything like that. Oh, there's
there's there's almost too many to talk about. Back in the day, NASCAR
would throw these what what they would call debris cautions to like get the field
back together and make the race a little bit more exciting. And they always
seem to benefit the guys like Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon, and that would
that would really just stick in my crawl because I knew they you couldn't find
any debris on the track, so that would always stick in my crawl.
And that happened quite a bit back, you know, years a few years
ago. Yeah, yeah, And I said, I watched NASCAR for like
between two thousand and two thousand and six. Is shy. I know exactly
what you're talking about. It's like, oh, there's nothing going on.
All of a sudden, there's a piece of paper that appears on the track
somewhere, and they, oh, yeah, play. So luckily they've they've
stopped doing that, but they did it for a long time. It was
just at these contrived cautions. And they even showed a video one time of
a of a track worker going out. He acted like he was picking something
off the track, and they hit another angle and he wasn't picking up anything
at all. It just it blew off by the time they came here.
So you know, a lot of this stuff is uh, well, Mookie
said, it's nostalgia driven. No one asked you guys about kids today.
You think kids today are gonna have the same nostalgia for cards that we do,
And Mike, I'll lead off with you, Well, I guess it
depends on when you grew up, right. I grew up during the junk
backs era, and I have a ton of nostalgia for very specific cards in
the eighties and early nineties, and I don't look at when I was a
kid, I kind of thought about their monetary value. We thought they were
gonna be worth millions, right, we were going to retire off of our
cards at that time. But there was also a lot more joy in the
car then and maybe kids nowadays still have that joy. But I think kids
now look at them. I don't know. I definitely know some kids who
do it for the joy, but there's probably more of the hustle and value.
And there's just so many cards out there, so many parallels, so
many How many cards can you be nostalgic? For twenty years down the road,
like a rated rookie of a guy one of his thousand rookie cards.
I don't know. It's tough to say, and I'm not certainly not dumping
on the way kids collect nowadays. It's more about the fanatics and Tops and
Panini flooding the market and making it difficult for kids to really have that nostalgia
in the future. Logan, Well, I think like you say, I
think it's more of the hustle now and more of the being able to make
money off the cards. And I'll give you an example. Back when Formula
one first came out, I went to one of our local hobby shops and
I walked in and I saw a guy. He had a box of twenty
twenty Tops Chrome f one and I have. He was walking into the hobby
shop with it, and I've kind of mentioned it to him. He goes,
oh yeah. He goes, oh, I'm gonna open up this box
and I hope to pull that Lewis guy. And I went, Huh,
you don't even know. All you're worried about is trying. It's just some
kid. He paid like six fifty or something for this box. He told
me, and all he was worried about was trying to make money. He
had no idea who Lewis Hamilton was, didn't. I don't think he really
cared. All he worried about was, Hey, if I get this card,
I'm gonna send it to PSA, I'm gonna grade it. I'm gonna
make a lot of money. So I think that's that's more the mentality now,
because you gotta think there's a lot of things going on in the world
these days, especially with social media and all the electronics and everything that's going
on. It's like squirrel, you know, look over here, look over
there. The kids have a lot that they can do. So I don't
know, and I may be wrong, but I think a lot of them
don't pay attention to what's going on with sports. They're just all they know
is, hey, this card is worth the money. This card is worth
the money. Let's try to flip it and make some money. And like
I said, like what Mike said, I had no problem with whatever they
want to do. But that's I think that's the way of the world right
now. Yeah, that's a great comment. But I think his name is
Steven. I always forgot. Yeah, it's uh, he goes one million
Cubs Project says they were always being nostalgia. It would just be different than
our nostalgic kids in the fifties and sixties through cards and put it put in
their bike spokes. Eighties kids had price guides and penny sleeves. Yeah,
kids now have zion cases and it's so true online price guides. Yeah.
Uh. For me, it's it's it's a couple of factors. And actually
I wanted to give kudos to Rob Sports Card Therapists had this h on his
show, this topic and for me, well, first thing, players bounce
around a lot more now than they did four I mean, you've got guys
that are doing one year deals here there, and then you know they're in
five, five, six teams you know, within seven eight years. So
that's one thing where the players are all over the place, and the kids
are spending a lot more time on video games than they are you know,
things like that, like I mean logan you mentioned it, social media and
things like that, and the money thing. You know, they they there
are lots of the kids are a lot smarter today in the hobby than I
think they were when I was a kid. In the hobby, you know,
sit down with a twelve thirteen year old kid. It's not the same
conversation it was with most kids back in the six sixties, seventies, eighties.
I mean, these kids are a lot more educated, and what's the
values of these cards and things like that. So and mikeyr thing too,
We're like, you know, when we were just going to hold these cards
forever. Now the kids now they kind of know that I need to move
this today because tomorrow it's not going to be, you know, worth what
it is today. But so, I don't know. I mean that one
Million Cubs Projects commentary was actually very good, just thinking, you know,
what's there. I guess they're in nostalgie. Is going to be is zion
case where ours ours as a binder? So yeah, yeah, I think
their nostalgia might even be like they watching a lot of YouTube or TikTok on
cards. I don't I assume there's some card stuff on TikTok. I've never
I don't know that. I'm just trying to think about what kind of card
based nostalgia they would have. Super fractors, What will there be in twenty
five years, thirty years on cards. Will they all be digital by then
and maybe the nostalgia will be remember when they were on cardboard or whatever they're
now, that's true. Well, you know, my nostalgia was back in
the seventies when I had my little black and white TV and we would take
it outside on Saturdays and watch the Game of the week with Joe Gargiola and
Tony Kubeck. You know that that was that was minustalgia, watching guys like
you know, Johnny Bench and Pete Rose and those guys were Brooks Robinson or
whoever. And uh, that was my nostalgia. That was that was really
fun. We'd sit outside and watch TV and watch the games. Weak.
Yeah, we didn't have a lot of games back then. Yeah, I
mean now a kid can pull up thirty games at one shot on his phone.
So Clay says, the hobby, The hobby's lots of ways to enjoy
it for what it's worth. So and Carbs name is bo by the way,
I don't know Steven. Yeah, you're you're close. You're interesting.
Thing. Crazy Roth Cards doesn't hold cars for more than forty eight hours.
So yeah, there you go. That kind of goes back to him,
you know, said the younger guys being aware of these things cash in now.
Yeah, lots of ways to enjoy the hobby. Like Clay says,
I'm not being critical of the different ways that people are just there. It's
just so different from the nostalgia that we have. They're going to have such
a different nostalgia. Yeah yeah, And I mean to the point where,
like you said, you know, maybe the cars will be all digital and
stuff like that, does that then raise the the value of these cars that
were actually printed on cardboard? Just something something to think about. Undrafted players
says. The prices of these new products, these new product sports cars are
just ridiculous, too expensive. Totally agree with that, saying, go ahead.
You know the fact, you know when everybody was buying up everything during
the pandemic, and you know, selling it for all these crazy prices,
all even just even the retail and now the retails come back now and it's
like thirty thirty five dollars for a blaster. And of course, Mike you
were talking about now that they've got the extreme value at Walmart and now they're
back down to where they should be at twenty bucks. Everybody was trying to
cash in. I think prices are going to have to come down just a
little bit. It's just it's you're right, it's it's it's exorbitant right now
for sure, are you Mike? Uh see? You don't buy any like
stuff new product? Correct? I haven't since probably April. I've had a
New Year's resolution to not buy any wax this year. And I think maybe
buy three blasters, okay, which is a lot fewer than I bought last
year. Gotat I just want to go ahead. I was just gonna say
so that diet didn't go very good either. Yeah, and I think I've
gotten an autograph and all three of the blasters I've bought, I've bought,
which you know, and then each of the autographs, I think, oh
wow, an autograph on card autograph first bowman and I looked them up in
the worth three dollars because there's so many of them. That's tough. That's
what I was going to ask as like, so when you're opening the blasted,
how you open in it with the thought process and like like this is
probably not going to be good as you know, as you as you're ripping
the wax before you even get into the actual box. Yeah, it's it's
so difficult, and difficult isn't the right word. That makes it seem like
they're skill involved. It's so rare to actually if you're blasters thirty or thirty
five dollars to get back thirty or thirty five dollars worth of cards, that's
that's tough. But like you gotta remember, like when you opened the pack
as a kid, you were so excited just to open the pack, and
now you're just hoping to break even. I don't know, it's it's the
mindset is so weird on that. Yeah. I mean, since I collect
Nascar, I don't worry about trying to get my money back. I do
it just purely for fun, uh you know, and I like to make
videos of it, so that that to me, that's that's the fun part
for me. There's definitely value in opening boxes. You know, you have
the fun experience, especially if you do it with your kids, where maybe
if you get back fifteen or twenty dollars worth of cards, it's still worth
it because you had had a great time. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's true. They're just the experience of opening cards. I see some guys
are saying there's no retail in their area. You guys see in retail in
your areas tons of it. Yeah, me too. All sports. Well
yeah, the two wal marts that are closest to me have gotten rid of
cards completely. They have no no cards. So Target is really my go
to place now if I want to go get a blaster or something. But
of course with with racing it, I don't, I don't. I don't
get the the fifty different baseball issues a month, like like base ball does,
which I don't know how how baseball collectors keep up with that. But
you know, we only get like five a year or five releases a year
or so. It's not like we get a lot. I actually think that's
a good thing. I think it is too. I think I think that's
it's an oversaturation of the market right now. I mean, I know that
they're paying a lot for these licenses, and they're trying to maximize, uh,
you know, everything to try to you know, get there, get
their money's worth out of these licenses. But I mean at some point it
just gets ridiculous. Yeah, that's fair, Yeah, definitely, I mean
I agree, I don't know how guys keep up with twenty thirty forty releases
a year, like, I mean, how do I mean? Look,
I mean we just said that you have bowming this week and and Alan get
into next week. So I mean, if you're in that world, man,
how do you how do you navigate that? And and also knowing that
if you buy a box, more often than not, you're not even going
to get the value back out of the box that that you bought. So
well, you know, I remember back when I was a kid back in
the seventies. You know, we knew that sometime in April the baseball cars
were going to come out. We didn't know when they were going to come
out. We just when we saw them in the stories, when we knew
that they were out, you know. So you know, unlike today where
we know exactly when things are going to be released or delayed or whatever's gonna
happen. But you know, back then, it was just like, oh,
gosh, let's go to the store today. We're gonna have some cards.
Oh no, we don't. Oh we got them today. It's you
know, so that that was some excitement there as well. Yeah. Yeah,
the old thrill of the chase, thrill of the hunt. Yea.
And of course I get him my bike and go to go to there was.
We actually had a store when I lived in Louisville, Kentucky, when
I was a kid, called Convenient, and that was the closest place.
And of course I wasn't even supposed to go there on my bike, but
I wanted baseball cards so badly that I would just, you know, sow
caution to the wind and get my bike and get on these busy streets and
go there. So I guess I'm lucky. I'm alive right now. That's
where we picked up your passion for racing. Yep, I guess. So
that's great. So let's talk a little cars man? My, what are
you other than what are you kind of collecting these days or things like that?
Would you? Yeah, I've barely bought anything since the National. I
spent for me a lot of money in the Nationally. You see these people
talking in the comments about kids with ten thousand dollars. I can't fathom spending
ten thousand dollars even in a year on cards, let alone at one show.
But I do enjoy through the mail autographs TTM. And I'm also a
big collector of Perez steel, Don Russ Diamond Kings autographs, of Hall of
Famers. So I got this Gym Rice back in the mail this week,
and I got this Ryan Sandberg back in the mail this week. So I
cleared twenty percent of all the Hall of Famers for those fifteen years. And
then I got my first ever redemption X fractor of Ryan Mountcastle autograph first X
fractor too. It's number two one twenty five. So that's why I got.
I know, the guy in Baltimore, I might be interested in that.
I know. I showed him then he jumped through the screen. No,
mount Castle is kind of he's a little older. You've got Gonnor Henderson
and Adlee Ruschman now, and they just called up their latest, their number
three prospect. I don't remember who that is off the top of my head,
but they just called him up this week too, So Mount Castle's old
news. Gotcha, gotcha? That's cool. Before you continue to go here,
Rex says there's too much focus on immediate ROI on the cards that come
from a box. The reality is we don't know which brookies from a given
box might become great years from now. That's fair, Yeah, I mean
often does that happen? So few rookies will become great. That's true too,
that's so true. I'm seeing a comment from two six kid you wanting
to know where I lived in Louisville. I lived in South Louisville. It
was near like New Cut Road and Old Third Street that area. So just
so you know, there you go. See silver Fox says, my ripping
is for pure enjoyment, like the movies, and I may get a return
possibly. This labor day was a weekend family rip. Now we are building
the twenty twenty three Top Space set with inserts and relics, core memories.
That's awesome, that's great, that is great. It's just like I said,
I don't know how often we see that with some younger collectors, because
I mean they're running around the show just kind of looking at flip cars and
all that stuff. But that that is the kind of the like say,
the the base of the hobby. You know that you're ripping cars and just
building memories and thinking back of remember we sat in the back porch and we
were ripping stuff, and it's like that fifteen cards short of the twenty twenty
three Top Space set, Silver Fox. So maybe we can Oh there you
go, reach out, there you go. Kevin says, nice pick up
on the mount Castle, owas eight os are are seeh I was like,
Olways are going to be good for a while. Good young talent with huge
contract with no huge contracts. Yeah, that's that's except the owner has talked
openly about how he can't pay his players. Yeah. Sorry, he says
he can't pay them. He just refuses to pay them. Yeah, because
I always tell I tell Danny that, I said, you guys are fine,
but then don't let them all go to New York. So it's like
open up the wallet there and make it happen, man. I mean the
fact that the Orioles are back, you know good. I think it's cool,
man. I think that's a really nice stadium there and all that stuff.
So Silver's asking you which which series? He goes, I have three
extra sacks full of Series two. Yeah, email me you know my email
address? There you go. I think of that nice nice trade live on
there? Anything else, Mike, you want to share? Nope, those
are the only three things I've picked up in weeks. Gotcha? Gotcha?
Logan, where do you where you at with any pickups or just cards?
Do you want to talk about anything like that? Yeah? I want to
show this card real quick. This is a T sixty eight Davy Crockett card.
You know, I want to, I want to. I've I've had
this for a little while. There's been a lot of chatter on Twitter about
Jefferson Burdick, who is the father of the hobby, And the good thing
about this card is this card was actually owned by Jefferson Burdick. And if
you people know anything about the history, he stamped all his cards and if
you see on the back there's it says Jeff b and let me I can
turn it upside down. You can probably see up here where it says Jeff
It says jeff Burdick right there. He stamped it twice with his stamps.
So this is a card that was actually at one point in his collection.
So I think that's a really really neat card to have, and I've got
to get it. I've got to get it out of this SGC holder and
get it into a PSA holder. It's nice though, that's a very nice
like nice centering there and yeah, very nice. So yeah, I'm hoping
to get it with a pedigree on it where it says the Jefferson Burdick Collection
from PSA. I was actually talking to them at the National about it,
so hopefully we can get that done. So if anybody from PSA is watching
or listening, hit me up. I got a couple of comments on the
address, two people saying I'm not a collector, so first of all,
and I think the best comment comes from word down below, no one wants
to collect valueless trash. It's just that there's so much junk in the ultra
modern boxes that I'm not Yeah. Sure, I've talked about getting the value
back, it's just that there's nothing in there that I want. My point
is, by buy singles instead of opening up the stuff where you're not going
to get your favorite player because a blaster now you're gonna get like twenty eight
cards, and what are the chances of you getting the cards of the players
you want? And then if you don't, you've got to sell them to
try to get your money back because you don't want those players. So I
buy singles. Yeah, it's that's fair. Yeah, it's it's just in
this comment here is is if you're worried about the roa ROI on a box
of cards, are you a collector? Probably not. That's a good that's
a good Yeah, that's a good point, because you know, I get
people all the time, you know, when they find out that collect cards.
Of course, they see all the all the stuff on the news about
all these you know, six figure, seven figure cards. Right, So
they asked me, oh, you collect cards, you must it must be
worth a lot of money. How much do you think your collections worth?
I'm going, I honestly have no idea. I collect because I'm a collector
and I have fun with it, and I don't I don't and anybody knows
me knows that I do not sell anything. Yeah. Yeah, so you're
just that's the thing too. It's like sometimes we get cut up on this
value stuff. But there's also something to be said just collecting for the sake
of collecting and having somewhere. You know, maybe you go in your basement
or wherever you have your stuff and you just chill out for a while and
you admire this stuff that you have. It just I don't know, it's
it can't be escape too. It doesn't always have to be all about the
ROI stuff. So I agree. I get a peaceful, easy feeling when
I'm sorting cards. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, there's
something to be for that. Yeah. Yeah, it's therapeutic for some for
some people, Mark says, always buy singles, have never bought cards from
Walmart or Target. He's right, But what I'm in NASCAR, so I
really don't have a lot of choice of not not buying some of the new
stuff if I want to get some cards. So I'm kind of stuck any
other cards they're logan, Oh, yeah, I've got all kinds of cards.
Shortage of that, right, No, no, shortage of that can't
be any better than that one, though, Logan, Yeah, no,
I should. I should have saved this one for last. You know,
I am a bowling guy. I used to bowl a lot when I was
a kid. And Leif had this card right here of Kyle Troupe, and
if anybody who knows Kyle Troupe, he's got a big, a big fro.
So he signed it and says, fear the Fro. I love that
card. It's just so cool, and he has a pro pick and he'll
he'll whip it out when he's bowling. It's kind of a gimmick, but
it's still kind of it's still kind of cool, So I like that car
from the league. Yeah, a lot of criticism for Leaf, but they
do cool things like that. They get people that you wouldn't normally find in
card sets and they get them to sign them with cool inscription. Oh I
know. And then then there here's this Portland Pickles card from it's their mascot,
Dylan T. Pickle, And I just love this card just because it's
just so funny. It's just a great card. That is good stuff.
Yeah, Dylan, Dylan Pickles she has. When I saw those on Leaf,
I said, I gotta buy those. Those are just just too cool.
Something else I've got here that I'll show real quick is, you know,
back when PSA first started, of course they they slabbed up some sample
cards and they're kind of hard to find now. But I've had this one
for a little bit and it's uh nineteen, it says nineteen eighty two tops
Rawley Fingers sample. It's it's it's a PSA sample and it shows you where
the grade would be, and they put a at the time, they put
a fake certain number on there, but I think that certain number is actually
taken now by a real card. Wow, So that sart is not you
know, not valid but that was that was a sample that p they gave
out just to say, hey, this is what what what our slaves are
gonna look like. So that's crazy. Wow, that's cool. Good.
So you don't see those very often. Yeah, that's definitely cool. Let
me get some of these comments real quick here. Uh Logan uh sos Logan
is a true collector and then I'll just send me let me go out of
order here real quick. But one Million Cups Project says I'm a false collector
because I sell cards and care about their value. Go bo, you go.
Yeah, It's always funny to see that debate. I'm like, you
know, you can't care about the values of your cards and collect itself.
Uh. Nicolat has a question here for you, Mike. What are the
junk wax era is worth looking in for an NBA and MLB in it collection?
Yeah, but that's a tough one. There's not a lot. Just
having investments in your name tells me that you're probably looking for high value cards.
There's not a lot. You gotta look for high grade, rare like
the eighty four Don Russ Don Mattingly in a PSA ten. It's extremely rare.
Eighty four Fleer Update, Roger Clemens and Kirby Kirby Puckett in tens uh
tip tops, Tiffany in tens of the top players those are there's just not
a lot that's rare. Yeah, it's almost like maybe within that stuff on
card autos of things like that, you know, high grade things like,
yeah, you can probably find some diamonds in the rough, but yeah,
you definitely gotta really gonna have to dig through because for the most part it's
it's a lot of all the same stuff. So just little outliers like that.
Definitely, Yeah, Orlando says the Tiffany stuff. So yeah, it
looks like Cooters calling out bow Yes, a nice try anything else? Logan,
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I collect I don't
collect football, but I do collect some football. Okay, this two thousand
and four CFL card of Charles Asman. You can figure out the reason I
got this card, right, Seinfeld episode about it. Yeah, part time
proctologist, yep. But I do have on the PSA set registry, I
do have a showcase called My Sophomoric Slab Showcase, and it's all cards that
have funny names or funny pictures. So of course this card went is going
has gone into my sophomore slab showcase. I like cards like that, you
know, Now, do you have saved searches for stuff like that? Some
of them? I do, yes, because they're so hard to find.
That's great, that's great. Uh So they're asking you, Logan said,
why would you want to put that card in a PSA holder? That card
looks perfectly in that SGC holding, Because I'm a PSA guy. Here you
go, I've got I've got like slab cards, so I'm not I'm not
changing now. Wow. Yeah, uh so I don't remember now was that
one of the older SGC slabs and labels? Uh? Yeah, it's it's
older, it's got it's the green label it's got. Ye see, I've
never been able to figure out, yeah, the twenty means and all that
stuff. That just that that just confused me as a collector. So yeah,
I tend to agree that if I would put it in a new SGC
slab and label, but p s A fine. Yeah, Well, like
I said, I want to get the pedigree on it, so I think
that would be cool. Yeah, yeah, I think that would be cool
too. I mean, I'm with you there with logan on slab uniformity.
I kind of liked them. Whatever it is, I like them all to
look the same, whatever company it is, for just me personally. I
just most of my cards are PSA, So I just ended up starting just
kind of funnel my way through that I've had. I've had a crossover some
cards just to keep them all. I like they all looked the same.
So yeah, I think I can count on two hands the amount of Beckett
or See slabs that I've got. It's just not very many. Yeah,
that's fair, all right, anything else, sure, let me give this,
let me find one here, let's see. Okay, I like this
when this one's funny, I like this guy. This is a baseball card
nineteen seventy eight tops Mark Lemon Jello. Now, personally I like lime Jello.
Okay, I like the green Jello. But of course, again I
collected that because of the name, and that's that's also in my showcase as
well. So yeah, pretty pretty funny name. I had to pick that
up. That's awesome. That is good stuff. That's fine. I guess
I don't know what there is. I mean, Don Russ Ripkin air,
yeah, clear, Billy Ripkin, Yeah, I'm not sure clear card not
Don Russ, I'm not sure. Tutter said, all slas are equal eyes
of his band Saw, So I'll go just have a couple here, this
one actually sitting on this doctor Jay here for a while now. Picked this
up at the one Philly show I was after this. I had one before
and I ended up trading it. Basically, I was gifting it to a
fellow collector and I was able to us to recoup one back and this one.
If you know anything about this card that there's usually a fish i around
his elbow and this one doesn't have it. So I was happy to pick
that up. You know, not bad for a lower grade, but like
I said, it doesn't have the fish eye and color is pretty nice,
so overall, pretty pretty decent car. I was happy to pick this up
from at the two Philly shows ago. So that's nice. Yeah, that's
really cool. Yeah. Yeah. When I was when I was a kid
growing up in Louisville, of course, we liked the Louisville Colonel's ABA team
and we had a Ginisell and artist Gilmore and all those guys back then.
And I've got actually some of those cards too, of theirs and those were
the good old days, going to Freedom Hall and Louisville. And I love
the basketball, the black, red, white and blue basketball. I always
thought that was so cool. Yeah, yeah, I know it's like the
high flying dunking and all that good stuff. So I hear you. Another
one I have so yesterday was Roberto Clemented Day, and that is pretty much
the bulk of MIC collecting stuff is Clemente stuff. And this one is the
nineteen sixty two Bob Clemente and this one actually has the Mike Baker I appeal
type deal. So I was happy to pick this. This card's tough man
with this wooden border, and they usually see the the edges kind of beat
up, so this one they picked us up in the sixth I was happy
to get that. Yeah that's a beauty and congrats on that. Yeah,
thank you, thank you. Yeah, definitely, yeah. This was when
I saw this. This was one of those where actually there was a podcast
the Shallowing Guy Iowa Dave, and he was talking about what they call him
megabid, where you see a card and you put in a real high bid
because you're like, I'm not gonna lose this card and hopefully hopefully if I
do lose this, I mean, if I do lose this card, the
guys that's gonna win is gonna pay a pretty penny for it. And this
was one of those cards where I put in a pretty hefty bid and I
was like, oh man, I hope it doesn't go that high, but
I kind of want to secure that. So let me see here, Eddie
says a collector, I never heard of it. That's great, kid.
He's basically as fire fire free. Now, yeah, I don't know.
That's ah, it's it's a good thing if you ask me. I mean,
I don't know. It's one of the better, one of the better
players, one of the better human beings to ever grace the field. So
yeah, things so uh see. Cooler said, love the solid color background.
That's why I think the fifty four Redhearts are some of the beautiful,
most beautiful cars in vintage. I agree with him on that. When I
was a kid trying to pick up any Redhearts whatsoever, those those were so
nice card, they were so nice. I just love those cards enough.
Silver Fox says he needs to fifty seven Clemente for his set bill. Also,
he and I share a birthday. We look at that very nice,
very nice. Yeah, I'm I think I'm down to like five or six
now. As I'm building the run, kind of got distracted a couple of
times. But for me, I like to see these cards in hand because
a lot of times they look a lot better when on you on eBay or
wherever it is, and then when you get him in hand, he's like,
oh wow, they're not as sharp looking as as they did as they
looked on the auction. So and the last one I'll show is a gimmick
that I fell for again I told you, and this is here's a gimmick
with a color match. And this is the Clemente twenty twenty one tops Chrome
Platinum Anniversary. This is the black and gold refractor. This one's actually out
of ten and I just I actually built this rainbow again knowing that I know
that it's not going to be worth millions and millions of dollars tomorrow or anytime
soon, but I think it looks cool. And again it's kind of goes
back to like collect what you like, collect what you love, and it
doesn't really matter. So yeah, that black gold border looks pretty cool.
And of course it's the retro fifty two tops, So that's a cool card.
I'm not gonna do that. I think I think it's pretty cool,
man. That's why I like the Yeah it's got the fifty two tops kind
of flavor. And yeah, it just uh, like I said, some
of the stuff I do when I see it. Oh, I like that,
but again I know that I'm buying it, and I take my time
and get out of a decent price because again it's kind of other than maybe
to another Clementic collector's not going to be you know, highly sought after.
So but guys, that's pretty much all I have for today before we leave,
Mike, any closing thoughts, things coming up in the hobby or show
all that stuff. That's a big card show in Portland, Maine next Saturday.
And when I say big and Maine and the same sentence, they don't
mean the same as for you guys are probably but it is one of the
bigger show is in Maine. So I'm looking forward to that next Saturday.
Sain next Saturday. Yeah, I'm actually heading to I'm actually heading to Vermont
next Saturday with the with the wife, So I don't know, get Yeah,
I might be a little far. I kind of looked up some local
card shops to see if we're going to be in and around the area,
So it's I always try to squeeze in maybe a little a little card action
on a vacation. Yeah, next weekend is the Philly show at all.
But the Philly Show is a little bigger than the Portland show. Maybe maybe
maybe, But Mike, where can they find you? You and your content
here on YouTube channel name is junk wax Hero. I'm also on Instagram and
Twitter, but I don't really do much on Twitter enough logan Well, later
on today or actually as soon as we get done here, I'm going to
head to a card show, the Mid South Card Show, and it's kind
of like what what Mike said. It's not a huge show. It's probably
sixty tables at best on a good day. So that's where I'm heading.
Then I'll probably stop him my LCS, which is literally gonna be around the
corner from where they're having the show, and probably drop by Chick fil A
and get me some more sweet tea. So that's gonna That's gonna be my
day today for the most part. And then we've got the Bristol Race Night
Race tonight. So if any of you want to see a really good NASCAR
race, the Bristol Night Race is probably one of the best races, uh
that NASCAR has every year. So I would tune in and it'll be on
I think it's on USA maybe whatever channel. But he had something on the
tea. Well, is that a Chick fil A cup behind you? Logan?
Yeah? Absolutely, brother, I got got sweet tea. We have
one Chick fil A in Maine and the line is outrageously long. Every time
I've been once they have two drive throughs, which is not something you see
in Maine. Yeah, well, that's amazing that you only have one in
the whole state. As far as I know, there's only one. Yeah,
oh my gosh, that's new. It's been there for a couple of
years. Wow. Whoever owns mad is gonna make a mint? Yeah sure,
Logan. I can definitely sign off on the Bristol Night Race. I
was able to attend a few years back and it was awesome. And that
was back before they put dirt, So yeah, no dirt tonight. It's
all okay, cool cool. Yeah, So that's definitely fun. I mean,
if you like to see crashes. That's the race for you. That
is the race, man. They will be. They will be running into
each other and crashing like crazy tonight, especially since it's a playoff race,
so it'll be it'll be crazy. Fair enough. So apparently mads hate chicken,
but they have and uh, you can catch me on the Cousins Collectibles
podcasts myself and my cousin Oz. We released podcasts every Monday and Friday where
we kind of just talk about our collecting journey and all kinds of other schoofy
stuff. But other than that, yep, go ahead. Oh, I
was gonna say, you can catch me. I have a YouTube channel with
all my box breaks and all the crazy things that I do PSA reveals.
And then of course you've got Valini on Nascard Radio, which we do every
week. It drops usually late on Thursday nights and we've been doing it quite
some time. It's on YouTube and it's also a podcast, so you can
catch us either way. There you go. So I want to thank everybody
in the chat for joining us. Make sure to check out the crew next
Saturday, same time, same bat channel, all that good stuff. So
again, thank you very much everybody, and we'll catch you next time.
Thanks guys,