Welcome back everyone to a new episode. If you were wrong with Molly Hemingway
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show, please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Molly,
how's it going. It's going all right? All right, how's it going
for you? David? It's okay. I'm very excited because it looks like
this week we're going to get another new Speaker of the House, possibly and
that always gets me revved up. So I guess yesterday's Wednesday, and on
Tuesday maybe it was just Massy and maybe another Congressman who joined Marjorie Taylor Green's
efforts to replace Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House. Do I have that
right? I think? So. The problem is, well, listen,
I think the big problem is that, and I agree with this critique,
is that Johnson is just falling doing whatever Democrats want, especially when it comes
to the Ukrainian funding, tying it to Israeli funding, tying it maybe even
to border funding, which sounds exactly like the Senate bill that we had what
last month. Yeah, so I think everyone understands that Mike Johnson is in
a difficult position. It is an incredibly tiny majority for Republicans and one that
could slip away at any moment. So I think people get that, and
I think people are willing to cut some slack because of that. But having
said that, even with that acknowledgment, people are surprised by how poorly he's
handling that majority in terms of getting things that people want. And what I
mean is, I think people understand that when Democrats control the Presidency and the
Senate, and that the Senate also has a small majority, but they basically
don't because Mitch McConnell, who's the Republican leader, pretty much agrees with the
Biden agenda on all sorts of things, that it would be hard to do
what Americans actually want. What Americans actually want, what they have conveyed repeatedly,
clearly, overwhelmingly, is that they would like the US Congress to do
something about our border. And they have even been pretty explicit about like,
we don't want this, we don't want anything else done until you get the
border done. And Johnson had kind of said some stuff a few weeks ago
that he understood this and that the American people would not be trifled with on
this issue that they weren't going to be used to ramrod Ukraine war funding through
and then just a few weeks later that's precisely what he appears to be doing,
and I mean going to outrageous lengths to achieve the Biden McConnell Ukraine war
funding agenda, including like yesterday he said that he believed that the US was
at war, that he was a wartime leader, and that that meant he
had to screw over the American people on what they wanted and instead deliver Ukrainian
funding. I mean, it was a bizarre He gets a lot of praise,
Like a time I saw Matt Contnet, he was like, this guy
is the best guy ever, you know, kind of thing on Special Report
last night. But among the American people who are not neo cons are affiliated
with the military industrial complex, it seems to be going. It seems to
be a bit of a disaster. Well, I will say this, I
don't think you have to be a neocon to want to support Ukraine, but
I will say this just as a cynical in a cynical political way, Johnson
could have should have separated these bills completely, make people vote on the Ukrainian
funding if they want make the Democrats vote against the Israeli funding, which they
would vote against if it wasn't tied fused in with the Ukrainian funding, and
then have a border bill and see what's the most important thing for Congress.
What are they going to vote, how are they going to vote, and
what's going to happen. But instead he's done exact he's literally taking the strategy
of the Democrats, who in the Senate hold all this together, are specifically
just for Ukrainian funding, the only thing they actually care about. Two things.
He actually is pretending to separate out the funding, even though it's a
complete pretend thing, because it will all be united in reconciliation and it's,
like you said, it's exactly what the Senate wants. Secondly, I don't
even entirely know what the word neocon means, but how would being a Ukraine
war supporter be outside of that? I think that neocons are interested in building
or exporting American democracy, having the US involved in oldest places. Now,
simply if you had you literally last week told me that Ukrainians were basically our
allies. So if you want to send them money through NATO or how however,
what yeah, last week I said ISRAELI, Israel was our ally,
It's a different situation than Ukraine. And you told me, well, well,
a stens or fundamentally we were allies of Ukraine as well because we had
been involved in there. Oh, I was critiquing our foreign policy there.
I don't actually think. In fact, what I was trying to make clear
was that the US government had sort of created and made Ukraine be a ass
It's had made it be a vassal state and had been controlling its domestic operations.
And I was saying that as a critique of what against what we should
have done, which was understand the very fraught situation there and keep Ukraine as
a as a neutral party in between NATO and Russia. Let me ask you
this question, is wanting to fund Israel does that make you a neokon?
No, I'm not completely clear on the difference, Like if you yeah,
that's what I'm not So one thing I would say is and I just said,
I don't love that term neocon for a variety of reasons, including that
I don't find the people to be conservative at all. So I don't like
that the con is in there because that's short for conservative. But when you're
looking at wars that are wise to engage in, I do understand what you're
saying that people could legitimately be arguing that they believe, you know, they
believe there's like some national interest in this, but not all wares are created
equal, and the Ukrainian conflict is one where a lot of wise people have
kind of pointed out that the including like you hear this even on the floor
of the Senate, that even with all of the funding that we've done,
the like massive amount of funding we've done for Ukraine, that the Russians have
gotten stronger in the meantime, that there is very little chance, there's no
chance of success really for the Ukrainians out you know, outside of like the
fever dreams of people who think that platitudes are the same as winning wars.
And you know, it's just it's it's it's a problematic situation there. So
let's we don't need to debate Ukraine right now. Let's just talk about US
politics and how people view what's going on. I don't think Ukrainian funding is
as unpopular as a lot of maybe conservative you know, like hardcore conservatives believe.
But I do think that a lot of people, even normal people,
will say, why are we sending them money when we're not even taking care
of the border. So to me, this is a right. What you're
making a face? I mean what I'm saying, that's what That's what the
people who are critical say. They say, I think that, yes,
the applight of the Ukrainians is bad, and in a perfect world where moneys
grew on lollipop trees, we would love to help out in every way possible.
But like you know, that's basically what they're saying is this is an
untenable situation. So my point is merely that if you have a if you're
Republicans and you aren't a minority, and you're not really going to get anything
done, the only thing you can get done is to put the Democrats in
a bad position, like symbolic votes that put them in tough spots, like
forcing them to vote on a vote down a border bill or like you know,
or forcing them to vote against Israel funding or stuff like that. So
if he can't even get that done, I think fundamentally we disagree that he's
not doing a good job. Now Here is my question. Unless you have
something to say about that, My question is should he be deposed as speaker
or is that a waste of time? I mean, I'm I was one
of the people who did not think that the previous speaker should have been ousted,
so by the way, I feel like that'd be a point has held
up well with time. Of course, it was just a fight over some
petty nonsense. It had no real strategic value to do that. There was
no I mean, I think that that was kind of people didn't like him,
but that was kind of a backfilled excuse to get rid of him without
any plan. And this is where you are now. Well, I would
just say Kevin McCarthy is not particularly conservative ideologically, but he handled the very
small majority in a way that understood the reality of what he was dealing with.
And he seemed to understand that he had to play well with both the
people who run DC and the voters who got him into him and all of
his conference into power. And that is what I don't see from Mike Johnson.
This is not the people understand when you only narrowly control one body in
DC, you're not going to win the world. But they do expect a
fight. And even if it were like you were saying, if you got
out there and he was like, hey, guys, guess what, We're
not doing a single thing until we fix the border. And if you don't
want to fix the border, that means we're not doing a single thing until
next year. And that may be, but this is how serious we are.
We actually care about the American people, We actually care about national sovereignty,
we actually care about you know, just like them in any way,
shape or form. And because of that, if you want anything done,
you are going to have to fix the border, and until then, we're
not doing a single other thing. If that were his posture, he might
not get the border done, but he might and he would have a big
win for his party. And I don't see why Republicans would why Republican voters
would see the difference between voting for a Democrat and a Republican right now,
I literally don't see the difference. I do well. I mean, in
this Congress, what can you point to like that they impeached my arcis?
But that's not how you view this sort of thing if Democrats were running it.
Listen again, I agree with what you said before that comment, if
Democrats ran things, you'd have one bill after the next. There's a counter
history here that would be much worse. At the very least, there are
a bulwark against other more terrible bills in the past. Well, I agree
with that, or even I actually do love the investigations that go on,
and I think it would be a disaster for hockeing Jeffries to be continuing to
use power to go against Americans like the Democrats did when they held the Congress
just a few years ago. I get all that. I'm just saying part
of being a leader is giving people reason to love and support you and put
energy into keeping you in power, and they're not really doing that for their
voters right now. I agree. I think I think probably the problem with
Mike Johnson is that he's not cut out for this kind of job to begin
with. Maybe, like I think, he's probably a good man, probably
conservative, but he probably doesn't have the skill set to deal with what's going
on. Could he just read the Constitution? Because when he said that we
are at war and therefore that explains why he is so bad, I was
like, Okay, fine, who are we at war with? Like I
want to know, who does he believe we are at war with? And
then when are we voting on that? I know it's quaint to care about
the Constitution and Article one and section eight, But who does he think we're
at war with? Literally, I'm actually wondering that thinks we're at war with?
Yeah, he thinks we're war with Russia, I guess. But you
know, he's undermining the argument that they need to fight there so we don't
have to fight. I mean, that's been this kind of essential argument of
people who are saying that we have to stop Russians, you know, in
the on the eastern border of Ukraine, is that we won't have to fight.
But if you're saying we're already at war, so does he believe we're
at war? Actually, this is I wasn't being silly there. Does he
believe we're at war with Russia? Or does he believe we're at war with
Iran or both or what? Like? I literally don't know who he are
war war with. I mean, I don't think we should be at war
with either, but Iran has killed six hundred American servicemen, constantly undermines our
interests in ways that maybe Russia doesn't. I don't know. People get mad
when I say that I don't want to be a war with anyone either of
those. I do want to help, Okay, go on, no,
I mean if that's why, I was like, I literally don't know which
which nuclear power he believes were at warm or even Well, what do you
think? Do you think they kind of are soon? I'm worried that they
kind of are. They're acting in ways that seem to indicate they feel you
know, I think if they were, they would have been they would have
been a war already. I don't think Israel can live with their an iranium.
One of the things that annoys me in foreign policy discussions is that the
neo cons Sorry, but it's true. They always claim that the person that
they want to go to war with is some Looney Tunes crazy person. So
you might remember with Putin they were like, no, he's got terminal cancer
and the treatment is making him crazy. Or you know the leader of North
Korea and he's crazy pants. It'saam Hussein was crazy pants. And I really
hate it because as much as sometimes these people do seem crazy or hard to
understand, it's actually incumbent upon you to understand your enemy and deal with the
reality of whoever they are. And by the way, Putin is not.
You know clearly clearly that CIA operation to claim that the cancer treatments were making
him looney tunes was one of their stupider operations. Having said that, I
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Here's my view of what you just said. Russians are irrational actors in
my opinion, like you might not like their physicians, but you can understand
them, and they're rational in this in a certain sense. The Iranians are
also rational, but the problem is in the sense that once you know what
their motive, theocratic nut so motivations are, then you can make more sense
of what they're trying to do. But that is a scary thing that they're
trying to do. Now, imagine if they did have nuclear weapons, and
let's say they do, but just I'm sorry, let's say they don't.
They would have it would be impossible to retaliate. It would be impossible to
deal with them. They would do whatever they wanted and we couldn't do anything,
or the Israelis can't do anything because the Iranians would just be like,
we have nuclear weapons and we're willing, we are willing to go to nuclear
war. I don't think the Russians want to be in a nuclear conflict with
it anyone. I'm not so sure about the Iranian mulah, so I think
that that is one big difference. But I mean the Israeli situation, we
didn't mention. You know, Iran attacked Israel in a in a serious way
from its own territory for the first time ever with a barrage of ballistic missiles
and drones, and everyone's you know, poop pooing the drones. But those
drones were meant to sort of mess with the with the ability to take down
the more serious missiles. They weren't just you know, thrown out there symbolically.
That was an attack that was meant to kill people. So on that
this is so unrelated and I'm sorry, but I just want to say I
was traveling for much of the last few weeks and at church on Sunday morning,
and my parents' church, their pastor, who's so awesome. I love
him. But during the prayer of the church, he prayed for Israel and
Ukraine and other war torn countries and referenced the attack on Israel from Iran.
But while traveling and just doing normal people things that are completely outside of politics,
I hadn't heard about it until Sunday morning, and I had this like
brief glimmer into what life is like for a normal person, you know,
like off of Twitter. I had no idea what was going on? Yeah,
go man, it was a war. Yeah, And so I was
like, But also I was taking up and trying to get people to explain
to me all day long. So I was like flying back from Colorado and
I'd be like, so, what what exactly happened? It was very difficult
to just get a good read on what had happened the previous day. Well,
I was enraged not just by the Iranian attack, which is expected,
but the attack of the American left against Israel. Literally hours after it was
attacked, we were already hearing how Netta nya, who was going to drag
us into a war you know, or you know, you know all this
kind of stuff, and how America you know, and I just again,
I might have said this on the podcast. I just no, American soldiers
died defending Israel, and I think they've ever asked for American soldiers to die,
unlike the Kuwaitis, the Iraqis, the Afghans, you know, and
on and on. I mean, Israel can defend itself, but it does
need help. It's a tiny country. If you don't want to help it,
people don't want to send them funding, that's fine, that's a position
defend it. But the idea that they are the instigators of this war,
or they are the people looking for conflict is completely a you know, just
historically incorrect and morally incorrect. Yeah, no, I think you know.
I was listening to I was on Fox yesterday, but I was listening to
Larry Cudlow before I was on, and I love him. First of all,
He's one of the nicest people at Fox. And I don't want a
ton of TV news, but if I did, it would be like Stuart
Varney and Larry Kudlow. I love those guys. Anyway, he was outraged.
I think that the US Congress was so much about Ukraine funding and so
little about the US border, and I think he was outraged on multiple levels,
including just what an assault on the American people it is. But he
kept being like, yeah, if you you know, we get we've given
money to Israel. If we want to give some more, fine, but
like, you know, good country. But like this idea that you're going
to spend billions upon billions in Ukraine and not fix the border, he just
thought was like really offensive and it was interesting to hear someone speak so clearly
about it. But I bring it up in part out of reference to what
he was, like, Yeah, you want to give money to Israel.
Fine. I think that a lot of Americans are pleased with how that relationship
has gone. Like, don't listen to the fringe left there to get a
good feel for what the average American opinion is. Americans have found that alliance
to be a good one, fruitful, helpful to have an ally in the
region, and not altogether that expensive, you know what I mean, Like
it's yeah, occasionally occasionally they need some help, and mostly they take care
of themselves. And also one thing I like is the you know, like
the whole thing that so Iran obviously is behind the whole October seven massacre and
the response from Israel is like pretty pinprick. You know. They go after
just some top military leaders and they're you know, and then Iran retaliates with
this like barrage of rockets and everything like that, and Israel does not,
you know, and they can't really afford to be like, oh, We're
coming after all of you. But you can tell they're just kind of calmly
figuring out how they're going to respond. Well, you made two good points
there. You know, people should remember the money we give Israel. Listen,
if you're against foreign aid, I hear you, right, if you're
against foreign aid to Israel only, I also hear what you're saying exactly.
But the money that we give Israel for its defense system is the most expensive
item I believe is a deterrence to war. To make them strong, is
a deterrence to regional war, not some kind of aggression Israel has. Actually,
no, I should put it this way. Iran has no geopolitical,
normal geopolitical problem with Israel other than there are Jews there. Do you know
what I'm saying? They have. No, they're not actual enemies. There's
no reason for them to be fighting. And the other thing you mentioned It
is true Israel can only fight short wars. They're a small country that do
not have a big population. In sixty seven, it's seventy three. What
they do is they're attack basically, or there's aggression against them. They fight
back, and they do very well. And as soon as they start doing
well and gaining, the world tells them they have to restrain themselves, so
just not what the enemy would do, and then they want to rewind the
clock to the beginning of the conflict. This time, though, Israel hasn't
even had a chance to retaliate against Iran. Where everyone's telling them to restrain
themselves, it is insane. I asked this question in a column. But
if the US had been attacked by hundreds of missiles aimed at civilian areas.
By the way, would Joe Biden have called that a win? I'm thinking
maybe he would have. Maybe he would have, but I don't think any
normal president would have called that a victory, and we would be retaliating.
But Israel is asked not to do that. Yeah, I get what you're
saying. I also get that there are legitimate concerns. There are some people
who get a little too bellicos after something like this happens and they're like,
we need to go to war with a run and it's like, well,
that's not me. We like the US. Yes, yeah, there was.
That's an idiotic thing to say. The US a lot of Republican leaders.
And so I guess what I'm saying is I understand the impulse to be
like tamping down some of the ill poorly thought out response. I will sound
too defensive of Joe Biden there, but like people are saying, like,
okay, the goal should you always have to think like what's in your interest?
And I would say a wider war is not in Israel's interest, It's
not in our interest, and so we also not in our interest. Is
everyone acting like the US is no threat at all? Like it's kind of
embarrassing. All these countries are just acting like they're not worried about what we'll
do at all. I mean the US, I agreed the US doesn't need
to go to war with Iran, but I will say that Iran is an
aggressor on it's constantly taking American hostages, it's constantly undermining US interests, went
about and killed hundreds. That's why Solemani is dead. They killed hundreds of
American servicemen. Listen, whether we should be in Iraq or not, that
doesn't mean Iran is It's okay for Iran to kill Americans. I mean,
something seems pretty clear cut to me, and we don't need to be at
war with Iran. But if Israel not America, if Israel doesn't do something
about this, then what's the deterrence for Iran to try it again? I
mean, they may have just been testing out, you know, the capacity
of the Israel to defend itself like this. We don't know what's going on.
You know, Israel is bordered by Isabella. I mean, you know,
and we don't want a regional war there either, for many reasons obviously.
But anyway, I just think this, Yeah, this president says don't
and everyone just does whatever they want because no one is deterred by him because
they know he's a complete weakling surrounded by Obama accolta. Some people were comparing
Joe Biden, his I told Iran, don't if you're thinking about doing something,
don't. They compared that with the various like tweets and statements from Trump,
Who's like, if Iran is even thinking about doing anything to touch a
hair on the head of any American, you will rue the day you were
born. That's a horrible impersonation. I'm sorry. The Sometimes it actually is
good to put a little bit of fear in people about, like, we
don't know what he's going to do if we do this nobody, I know,
people. You know, Reagan's not popular in big parts of the right,
but his whole he was not a warmonger. In fact, he was
just about strengthening deterrence. I think that that's a good way to go for
the United States in general, and was a relatively good way for him to
go. I was thinking about how he's got something for everybody, So the
neocons. Actually, it's like kind of funny how much the neocons believe that
Reagan was a neocon. But there's a ton of stuff you can pick out
from his foreign policy as well, if you're a realist or someone who is
not a fan of the incons. I mean, he was not a fan
of democracy building at all. He was a fan of scaring commies basically,
right. I mean, he left very rude after the attack from Palestinians mostly,
and I can't think of another place where he was a democracy building really,
I mean, it was more about the interests of the United States locally
in the Central America and so on. Right, yep. I don't really
see a neo much of a other than being having a strong military, which
I guess most people want, right I have. Americans want a very strong
national defense. They just want it less focused on nation building and more focused
on protecting our country, more focused on bombing bad people like I. If
you never use or if people think you will never actually use that military,
that is not a deterrence. Correct. Yeah, So any event, anyway,
that's a bad situation there. I do wonder what Israel is going to
do. Hopefully they punish your on. I mean, you cannot get away
with something like that or a sovereign and another sovereign nation that is I think
a step too far, complete red line for any free country. And also,
as I mentioned last week, no Israeli government will survive that allows that
to happen and does not retaliate in some way, It just won't happen.
Just and again, to get back to this country, though, the idea
that Mike Johnson is preparing to spend billions of dollars on Ukraine and do nothing
on the US border. Is deeply alarming about the situation of the lack of
leadership in the Republican Party right now, and that's exactly what's about to happen.
And it's like, you know, never been a Republican. I've never
been employed by a Republican or worked for Republicans or anything like that, so
I don't have a ton of experience there. But I feel like this is
such a bad idea. I mean, like there's so many problems with Republican
leaders not actually representing Republican voters that it could really hurt the security of the
republic. I mean, there's the political angle, which is, if you
people really didn't like Donald Trump, what you should have done was just deliver
win after win for Republicans and they would their love for Donald Trump would go
away. But they see just by comparison. I was actually this was another
fun thing about being out in the wild. I was with a bunch of
people who are not there. They're kind of definitely Republican voters, but not
natural Trump fans. And one of them was saying that when he watches Donald
Trump get out there day after day, being with his enemies trying to imprison
him and bankrupt him and his family. And that's where people usually can turn
the screws on you, not when they go after you, but when they
go after your children. Right, that's when people cave. But every day
the guy gets up and just takes it and knows that if at any moment
he would bow down to like the regime, it would all be over.
But he doesn't do it. And every day he gets out there and he's
like, no, I'm actually I'm actually running for president again. And that's
how seriously I take this. And they see what he's willing to do for
the country and for them, it makes them love him. And if by
comparison, you have Mitch McConnell constantly talking crap about Republican voters, Mike Johnson
being like, I used to be a conservative, but then I had a
conversation with the CIA, and now I see that you can't be a conservative
that you know, like how easy it was to make him get down on
his knees to the security state. You know, it does not create love
and adoration, and in fact, quite the opposite. So if the Republican
Party truly didn't think it was a good thing to have Donald Trump in it,
leading it and setting the direction. I cannot imagine a worse course of
action they could have taken than what they've done in the last few years.
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Chicago, Issues Etc. Dot Org. Yeah, I saw a lot of
Republicans say that, my you know, we're talking about the PHISA bill,
that reform bill that Johnson just completely caved on within after one meeting with you
know, intelligence officials or whatever. But everyone thinks, you know, they
bribed it. Yeah. I hear people say, I think they just scare
you. I think they take you in there and go listen. You know,
there's gonna be a gike. You know, there's gonna be some terrible
terrorist attack if we don't you know, have fight, you know, have
FISA the way it is and so on. But I don't understand why can't
come out. I'm not saying get rid of the whole apparatus. Obviously,
we need to defend protect American citizens, but he can say we need to
reform it to make sure there are a fewer abuses, you know. I
mean, I just don't understand why you can't take a moderate, you know,
position on this kind of thing. It's obviously abused, it's abused,
and I don't it's Donald Trump this time, and Trump officials who you know,
every single FISA warrant, there was something wrong with every single FISA warrant
that was used in the whole Rushi Gate thing. So can't we come up
with some kind of reform and imagine how easy it is to to weaponize that
against someone who's not even you know, running for president. I mean,
it's mind boggling how much power they have. And I just don't understand why
he couldn't support some kind of reforming of that of the PAISA bill, okay,
or you know, on yes, obviously I cared deeply about Mike Johnson
passed the tie that he broke the tie by passing the vote to give the
deep state whatever they wanted to continue their attack on Americans and their u and
their properly elected leaders with the FAISA package. But also, like, why
couldn't he just say, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna pass HB two or
whichever bill it is that deals with border security, and we're going to pass
funding for Israel. And we know that you are all going to vote against
both of those things, but we're going to pass them, and we're going
to send them to the Senate, and we are not doing a single thing
of what you want to be brought up until and unless Joe Biden signs those
bills and then we can move on to what are these other things? Yeah?
Okay, And but back to this Mike Johnson, Sorry, what he
said in calling himself a wartime speaker was really disgraceful, I thought, and
it relates to how we don't win wars anymore, and we don't take war
and peace and our national security seriously anymore. This guy and this pathetic cabal
of mediocre people in Washington that he represents is disgraceful to the real war heroes
this country has actually had in our history when we took national security seriously,
and when we took going to war seriously. And it is high time we
returned to the leadership of people who respect the country, citizens and the people
who volunteer in our military to go to war when it directly impacts our national
security, and when we have the commitment of the American people to prosecute it
to victory, and that commitment is constituted by a vote in Congress following what
our constitution says. These people and Mike Johnson is related to this. They
are disgraceful and they need to be thrown out in public in a free and
fair election. And I was talking to someone actually when Mike Johnson came out
and said he was preparing to sell out Republican voters with this like bowing down
to Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden. And this person just sent
me that scene from Brave Heart. Do you know where William Wallace is like
riding on the horse and hits the guy with the mace. Yeah, that's
the picture that the person sent me. It was like, I don't think
people understand how it makes Americans that the permanent DC class is so corrupt and
so stupid and so reckless, like you want war? I mean, Mike
Johnson, He's like, I want war. We're in war, baby.
We're not following the Constitution, but we're at war. We won't say with
whom, and we won't say what the metrics for success are, but we're
at war. That guy is about to get us into a real war.
Like that guy by not resisting what Biden and Schumer and McConnell are doing,
he's about to get us into a real war that he so desperately craves like
these are un serious people who are the opposite of statesmen. But the sad
truth is that voters are going to re lack ninety nine percent of these people,
as they do each time. So it's up to them to change that.
And if they don't, they get what they deserve. As Mankin said,
I mean, I don't really you know, that's one thing. But
I just one other thing that you said that's interesting. I think that you
have a lot of people in DC. First of all, no one's found
that no one's followed constitution on this since the Iraq war. I feel like
an idiot talking about the Constitution that we all purport to follow. But I
mean every time I mention it, I feel like I'm some kind of like
tea parties like Dave seven seventeen seventy six or something like it's so Jejune to
talk about the Constitution, Like no one really cares, right, I mean,
but I wanted to say this. You know, there is this weird
juxtaposition between all the big war talk on one hand and then when there is
actually you know someone, and then and then kind of the weakling, you
know, non deterrence, you know what I mean, like don't don't,
don't, and everyone just does it, so you look weaker and weaker each
time. But yet on the other hand, you have this big talk going.
I mean, no one really do people. I just don't think Iran
or Russia really fear America in any any way. Now, I'm not saying
we should be in war with other countries, but they should respect us,
and they don't. What you got there, sew, Well, have you
read this one? I figured like you might, this book Waging War by
David Baron. No. It's kind of interesting. I mean, he's like
a big Democrat foreign policy guy, but it's about the battles between Congress and
presidents dealing with foreign policy from the beginning of the country to isis. But
what kind of makes me sad reading this is that we go from having conflicts
to just not having conflicts at all. Like the Constitution is clear that war
is declared by Congress, by Congress with votes, not with leaders going into
back rooms with the CIA and just telling people were at war, but like
actually voting and being held accountable so that the American people can weigh in on
whether they want to go to war in this place or another place. And
this book goes through all the conflicts that Congress had with various presidents, including
George Washington, you know, and now we just don't have those conflicts at
all because Mike Johnson says, sir, yes, sir, I'd like to
follow your foreign policy, Joe Biden. I mean, there's no conflict,
there's no vote, and it's just sad. I mean, we were in
war in Serbia without a vote, We were in war in Libya without a
vote. We are in war all over the place without any kind of vote
by Congress. People just circumvent and honestly, we sign all kinds of international
agreements through the executive branch, which is also you know, on climate change,
on all different kinds of things. That's also on constitutional treaties are supposed
to go through the Senate, but the Senate abdicates it's has abdicated as responsibility
a long time ago. I know this is a different topic, but just
the other day, Chuck Schumer is celebrating the student loan forgiveness plan, like
that's an executive abuse. The Senate doesn't exist to be appendage of the Democratic
Party. I get that there's politics. It's supposed to also defend separation of
powers, which it doesn't even do. They celebrate, you know, the
executive branch doing what it does. These are our defenders of democracy Mali people
who celebrate not having power. I do feel like it's weird that each year
it seems that news is speeding up and the amount of things are happening that
aren't getting a proper response, Like it just increases this unconstitutional and in direct
violation of the Supreme Court buy off of young voters that Democrats are doing through
this student loan having me repay other people's students. You know, it's a
real assault on our system. Of government, and nobody seems to care.
Mike Johnson is busy doing war time against an unnamed country, too busy to
actually care about what Joe Biden is doing in violation of the Constitution. Of
course, the media are not going to say anything about it. It's scary.
This is a bigger attack on the Constitution than you know. I mean,
it is, it's up there in recent years. I mean, you're
ignoring this. Not only is it obviously an executive abuse that you're breaking contracts
and unilatterly taking people's loans and making other people pay them, which is just
authoritarian. You're ignoring Supreme Court. You're ignoring the Supreme Court which told you
not to do it. By tweaking a couple of words in your plan like
this way, you can just keep doing it and go on forever. And
obviously is just trying to buy vote. And there's no downside for them if
you don't care about the Constitution. There's no downside because if the Supreme Court
overturns it, they'll just go back to attacking the Supreme Court as hating AMERI
you know, as being this terrible institution. If you know, and if
it works obviously they're going to be paying off some young people. I blame
the media for this, as I often do for many things as well,
because they keep calling it by euphemisms like loan forgiveness, which it's not,
or cancelation, which it's not. Loans have been given, loan, the
money has been used. Someone needs to be repaid. Either we can print
more money and create more inflation, or we can let our kids pay for
it. I wonder if they polled and asked people, do you think your
kids should pay for someone's PhD in journalism or gender studies or whatever crappy,
useless degree they're getting. I bet you they would not be as gung ho
about this plan, right. I don't even want to pay for PhD in
neuroscience, yeah, for a variety of reasons. But pay your own loans?
And why is it student loans? Why isn't it mortgages, Why isn't
it car loans? Why? Why? Because they want young people to vote
for Joe Biden, for Democrats. It's the only reason. And God,
I think we're heading in a bad direction. I mean, like Elizabeth Warren
is a social, Like she's not even a social, She's just an a
status and authoritarian and so is now Chuck Schumer like they keep moving farther and
farther to the left. Thanks, So you were mentioning so mentioning Chuck Schumer
in the Supreme Court, I just have to say that I was listening to
oral arguments in yesterday's Fisher case. This is the one where to go after
political opponents. The Department of Justice did something they never do with any DC
protesters. So DC protests happen all the time. Throughout the summer of twenty
twenty. We had riots, arsonists, attacks on cops, a besieging of
the White House, attacks on federal monuments. You know, there were The
Department of Justice did not go after the people who did the months long siege
of the Marco Hatfield Federal Courthouse that shut down business there. But when January
six happened, they wanted to really destroy the lives of anyone who was involved
in just that riot, not any of the other riots that had hit the
entire country that previous year, just those people. And so they came up
with a theory that had never been done before, where you would use an
obscure provision of the Sarbanes Oxley Act to like ramp up the sentencing of people,
even people who had like peacefully entered the capital. You know, there
are differences between the people who like broke windows and broke their way in versus
people who were actually like welcomed in by cops opening doors. You know,
there are differences there, but there aren't differences when it comes to the DOJ
going after these people. And so a lot of people were challenging the use
of this obscure Sarbin's ox Leaty provision and I and a few of them made
it to the Supreme Court, and one of them is the sky Fisher.
So the court was trying to test the outer limits of this theory that the
Department of Justice was using. And it was really interesting that, you know,
I can't remember. It was like Alito or Gorsitch were asking different questions
about when it would be used. Oh yeah, it was Gorsach who was
like, so could this be used if you were interrupting a trial? And
like it's like, no, I can't remember. I do feel like maybe
both of them were asking along these lines, could you use this if you
pulled a fire alarm to delay a vote of Congress? That happened just quite
recently where Jamal Bowman, the Democrat, tried to delay proceedings related to I
think the last time the speaker chair was vacated, and not only did he
not get Sarbine's ox laid, he got nothing. He got like the lightest
slap on the wrist, and no problem for him even though he's a member
of Congress. So one of the reasons why the government was saying that they
have to use this obscure provision is because these people really had intent. They
knew what they were doing. Oh like Jamal Bowman, No, not him,
he might have been confused, you know. And this Elizabeth Preligar,
however you say he named the solicitor for the government, was saying like,
yeah, if you, let's say you're pro abortion protester and you interrupt the
Supreme Court proceedings to delay them, you might not know that you don't have
a First Amendment right to do that. And I'm sitting I sit there thinking,
you know what, I just went to hear oral arguments. They told
us like a hundred times you don't have a First Amendment right for outbursts.
And these justices know what the rules are of their court. They know that
she knows that's not true, you know, And I started thinking about what
it was like for some of these people. Imagine that you are one of
the justices who overturned Roe v. Wade with the Dobbs decision, and that
means that you are one of the people who literally cannot go out to eat
dinner. Your wife or your husband cannot go out to eat dinner for years,
maybe forever. And you have people who are threatening violence against you for
years, your children, some of them actually come quite close to killing your
children, and you were told by the Department of Justice, oh, sorry,
there's just nothing we can do about it. You have the White House
and the Department of Justice actually being like this First Amendment protected activity. You
have like Merit Garland. So let's say you're Brett Kavanaugh. You served with
Merrick Garland for like twelve years on a court together, and he's telling you
there is just nothing they can do to stop your home, your wife,
and your children from being under constant threat of murder. There's just nothing they
can do. And then the next day they're like, so would you okay
this, Oh, let's keep going. Let's say Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer
has personally called you out by name, which he did in the case of
course Chan Kavanaugh, and called for violence against you if you don't rule the
right way according to his belief and support of killing onmore and children, and
nothing happens. Nobody charges him with incitement once some of his followers take him
up on it, you know, nothing happens, and then the government is
like, yeah, would you sign off on this like obscure use of a
provision that has never been used this way before so we can go after our
political opponents because one afternoon they made us a little bit scared for our safety.
Just imagine what that must feel like for those people. All they want
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your podcasts. I mean, obviously, I think that there were people involved
in in January sixth who are more violent than others, and some you know,
the idea that a bunch of people wandering in they were all part of
a coup data to over three democracy and knew it. It's just preposterous.
And everyone knows it. You know, everyone knows that you can call it
nine to eleven all day long. It's just not and uh and yeah,
I mean it. Yeah, I mean, isn't this the thread that goes
through so many of the problems today is that there's just two different sets of
rules, two different sets of you know, just think about Donald Trump being
on trial for stuff that Joe Biden obviously did as well, and just one
guy being let off and the other guy having to deal with it, you
know, and this goes, you know, this threads through so many different
domestic issues that are going on. Yeah, Garland did not seem convinced by
any of those, Yeah Garland, No Garland Gore such case. I seem
convinced. Yeah, I because I'm working on, you know, these books.
I've been listening to a lot of oral arguments, and I'm sorry,
but I got a kick. I know some people might you kind of heard
the New York Times or are other people trying to present Gore just being condescending
when he first came on the court, And in a way, I get
that, but it was so funny to me when Elizabeth Preligar, who has
this like little girl valley girl voice, she's you know, she's like actually
a really good solicitor. She's very successful. People rightly praise her, but
she sounds like a fourteen year old girl, which is just like hard for
me to listen to. But she's she also speaks very quickly and she interrupts
a lot, and you're not totally supposed to do that. But the way
that Gorsich just says if I may, you know, he has this like
very low baritone. He's like, if I may, and it comes off
like little girl, please stop talking, you know, or you like,
stop talking right now. But that was that was a good argument. You
know, their case constantly is that these people are bought off. There was
a story about Gorsicic getting a house from these lawyers or whatever, some smear.
But the funny thing is they hate them because they're principled. Now.
I don't always love what Gorsich does, but it is clear that he has
a judicial philosophy that he follows through almost autistically to its end each time,
and sometimes conservatives don't like it. And yet the smear on all these people
is that they're not principled, that they're bought, and it is just an
incredibly it's just disapproving with almost every case that they take it. Yeah,
I hope so, yeah, listen, no one's perfect, but I've made
the argument often that I think it's the last functioning institution in this country.
So talking about that insurrection issue, I read the transcript of an interview that
Governor Johnson Unu or whatever his first name is had with George Stephanopolos, and
he got a lot of mockery from bellow Trump ranged people for how he handled
this because he's endorsing Trump and they feel like this makes no sense. The
whole interview was it was such a it was kind of weird to watch.
SNU Knew sort of famously went after Trump during the primaries, he thought about
running himself. He endorsed Nicky Hayley, and he has used like just emotional,
completely unhinged rhetoric when talking about January six, he calls it an insurrection,
right, like it's just totally ridiculous. And so George Stephanopolis was like,
here's you a few months ago saying that January six was the worst day
in the history of the world and that Donald Trump was personally responsible for it,
and now you're endorsing him, Like, you know, that seems not
good. And so the never Trump you know posses were out there just like
highlighting this and saying like how awful Sanunu looked for it. I actually agree
he looked awful, but like from a normal person's perspective, which is what
the heck is wrong with him accepting every single left wing narrative such as that
January six was an insurrection. He was asked questions about the twenty twenty election
and he was like, no, no, no, don't worry. Do
not hurt me in any way. I agree with you that the twenty twenty
election was the best election in the history of the world. I mean that
should get you kicked out of the Republican Party. It's not just that you
are taking away from Republicans the right to be involved in setting policy on how
we run our elections. You are directly aiding the Democrat Party in what they've
done to elections when you speak that way, and you know likewise, when
you know that the Democrats centerpiece of their campaign is that if they don't get
their way, democracy is hurt, and therefore everything gets put into this like
democracy bucket and you like go right along with it. That doesn't make you
a Republican governor. It makes you a Democrat like Patsy, And I think
that there are all these Republican types like him. And they look at Liz
Cheney, who they were like totally cheering on when she was running the Republican
Party destroying efforts. On January sixth, they're like, I think we're going
to take back the party, guys. I think we got it got We're
going to take it back from those yahoos. And then they saw what actually
happened is that Liz Cheney wrote herself out of political existence beyond MSNBC roundtables,
and they're like, oh, we don't want to be Liz Cheney. So
we're going to pretend that we actually support Republican voters and their candidates such as
Donald Trump, but we're going to still be the same way on everything else.
And I think they really do believe Republican voters are stupid to fall for
this. And it's also just it's no way forward. If you give over
election security to your enemies, you are not a leader of your party full
stop. Just not I mean, just from a different perspective, I think
he's just a Northeastern governor who's going to be pretty liberal on stuff. Even
though I agree with you, we didn't have to say all the things he's
done. But the thing that always cracks me up about this sort of critique,
not yours, but the never Trumpers, is that this is completely normal
every Republican George Bush called Reagan's economic planned voodoo economics, and he was the
vice president a year later. Like this, everyone always rallies around the candidate
of the party and they move forward. Do you think people who do you
think most Democrats think Joe Biden's the best candidate out there or agree with him
the most. No, they rally around it, but no one makes them
take purity tests, you know. So there was this Politico hatchet job against
Kevin McCarthy that I read last week. So Kevin McCarthy spoke on a few
college campuses and was very well received without selling out his party. And so
I think it's Ben Jacobs at Politico, the guy that I think he got
beat up by a member of Congress a few years ago in Monty body slammed.
Yeah. He writes this like total hatchet piece. He's clearly frustrated that
he can't find a single student, even though they're all liberal, to speak
against McCarthy. And one of the things that he complains about with Kevin McCarthy
was that he had done something nice for Donald Trump, Like I can't remember
what it was, but it was like Donald Trump liked a certain candy or
something and he got that candy for him or you know whatever. And he's
like, this is complete sick of fancy and it's just like what you were
just saying. How is it that when like, sorry, doing a nice
thing for a president is a pretty common thing, like throughout all space and
time doing nice things for your leader, right, But when Kevin McCarthy does
it for Donald Trump, that means that he's corrupted and immoral. And then
the other thing was that Ben Jacobs was upset about, is that some of
the lines that he used at Georgetown he also used at Harvard or wherever.
The next school was. I'm sorry if you are a political journalist with more
than a single day experience and you were writing that a politician has set a
line more than once, as if that's newsworthy, like just leave the profession,
you know, they say this is a thing over and over again forever.
That's funny. Here's another thing though, just quickly, like if you
here's what happened with Sonona. They asked him. Listen, in the end,
you're going to vote for Donald Trump or whatever. You know. Let's
say you don't like Donald Trump. But the other choice is it is just
a disaster on the economy, selling out our allies, just weak, feckless,
you know, disaster, And I have to make a choice, and
you're asking me what my choice is. It's not going to be difficult for
a Republican to say Donald Trump anymore. Actually the question was even worse than
that. It was asked by George Stephanopoulos, a man who worked and became
someone because who worked for Bill Clinton, and that's where he made his name,
Bill Clinton the rapist, Bill Clinton, world famous rapist. Yes,
Bill Clinton is asking you know this is Georgetefanopolis also did this thing where he
falsely accused Donald Trump of rape in that interview with Nancy Mace where she cleaned
his clock. And then here his question too, sudan Nu was like,
wait a minute, You're going to support Donald Trump even if he's convicted.
And that was like the that was the whole thing, was like, even
if he's convicted, as if like a conviction in one of the current Democrat
show trials would in any way change anything at all, Like a conviction is
going to happen in at least one of the trials, maybe all of them.
That's the point. The point of the show trials is to secure a
quick and easy conviction. The idea that you would support Donald Trump while he's
going through a show trial but not at the conclusion of it, Like,
that's not a legitimate journalistic question. Nobody, nobody with integrity thinks, for
instance, that the Alvin Bragg case that's going on in New York right now
is legitimate. Nobody, nobody, even far left wing MSNBC. People when
the indictment came out were acknowledging that it was complete and utter horse maneuver,
Like even the most crazed partisans. The idea that when Alvin Bragg succeeds in
his show trial in New York City, which he will, that that would
somehow change things is absurd and it should be treated as absurd. Does do
any that's just if Donald Trump is convicted in that trial, it's just a
friend r When when it's just a fine, I don't know, I assumed.
I mean, the whole point of navalneying your political opponent is to kill
them. So I don't know if it's just going to be a fine or
a prison time or jail sentence or have no idea, but like that's not
the point. The point is to kill your political opponent, which is what
the show trials are all about. So, but like people, people clearly
don't view these charges as legitimate. I think we live in a country,
sad to say, where if you're charged with the crime, most people think
that means you're guilty of the crime, not like technically guilty, but like
in that informal sense, like, oh, he was charged with murder.
He's a murderer. You know clearly that's not true. In the case of
the of the charges against Donald Trump from his Democrat opponents, whether it's the
Biden dj or Alvin Bragg or Letitia James or Fannie Willis, these are the
opportunity to take these things seriously really occurred at the point of indictment, and
judging by the polls which show which would show in a in a sort of
free and fair legitimate like running election a nineteen eighty style l and slide,
clearly the American people don't view this as legitimate. Even the people who love
what's happening love it for the navalney reasons like we don't like this guy,
we want him dead, not because they actually think that Donald Trump broke any
law when he paid a non disclosure agreement. They do not believe that.
Nobody thinks that, literally nobody that brag jury, Like, if you get
on that jury, you're either politically motivated or you're the one of the dumbest
people on earth. Because literally all you have to say is that you can't
you can't be unbiased juror right because everyone knows Donald Trump is in the world
one jury said he was a fan of the Barrowitz report, and they tried
to get him off the jury and they couldn't. He should be like ejected
from you know, society. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know,
so, yeah, he's not going to listen, he's not going to
get a fair trial there, because jury systems are ridiculous, especially when there's
a political to it and politically motivated. All right, well, I'm sure
we'll have more on that trial starting soon, right, I mean the jury
selections now, so it must be very close. Yea, So maybe we'll
talk about by the way, do you think it's going to help Donald Trump
or hurt Donald Trump that the judge in that trial says that he can't go
to his son's graduation. Probably hurt. But I think that that's already all
baked in. I think all the people who feel like Donald Trump is the
target of you know, law, fair and all that already are big things.
Yeah. I wonder David, like, let's say you're just like one
of these, Like let's say you're you know, Bill and Susan Crystal or
whatever, you know, your people who are like completely deranged by Trump.
You support the women's March, you wear a vagina hat on your head,
you know, like all that kind of stuff, and you are you're cheering
on all the lawfair against Donald Trump, and they say we're not going to
let him go to his son's graduation. Are you so removed from basic decency
that you're like, yeah, or do you go? Am I the batty?
I think I'm the batty? I feel like I'm I don't think so.
I don't think so. I think that they think of Trump as Hitler
or worse in some instances. So no, So, like you know,
if you ask me, would you go back and shoot baby Hitler in the
face, I'd be like, yeah, I'd shoot him with the magnum right
in the face. I think they would do that with Donald Trump. So
I think not going to a graduation is not going to really affect their view
of it. I think they just think he deserves to be punished. I
think they view him as Hitler, worse than Hitler. I mean, you
see, I'm going to catalog this in my forthcoming book. I mean there
are column after colum when people say he's worse than Hitler in major major publications.
Yeah. So, no, I don't think I don't think Bill Crystal
is going to care. That's just my view. Let's talk about let's about
it. Let's talk about something more enlightening culture. I actually did something.
I actually watched something. I did two things. I'll start. I don't
know if you had I think maybe you don't have a lot. You were
very busy, right, go on. So I watched this show called Fallout
on Amazon, which is based on a video game which is extremely popular,
has been since I believe the late nineties. Have you ever did Are you
a gamer? Have you ever played in any way, shape or form?
Have you ever played a video game? Like? Did you have Telexico?
Yeah? Television, That's what I had? Well, me too. I
wanted Ataria my dad, you wanted to get like something better for me,
and he got in television. It was still okay, it was okay.
Yeah. I love video games. I try not. I try. It's
very addictive for me, so I try not to play them because it takes
up too much of my time. But anyway, I've never played Fallout.
I love this show. I'm so happy I'm watching it. I expected it
to be terrible. Walton Goggins is in it. One of the from justify
you're such a huge fan. I just think it's a March show. It's
kind of funny. It is violent, so if you don't like like super
violence, then you know it's not for you. So that's what I did.
That's my big show. I watched like six episodes. I recommend it.
Okay, I I haven't watched anything, but I did go bowling.
My my cousin, Garth died. We talked about it, and the funeral
was in Colorado last week. By the way, excellent funeral. My cousin
Garth was larger than large personality and had a lot of friends. There were
several hundred people, you know, many hundreds of people at his funeral,
and it was a beautiful service. The sermon was so crist centered and comforting
and beautiful hymns, and then you know, there was the meal afterward.
People shared stories and the stories were really funny and everything. But my cousin,
his sister organized a little bowling outing for from people who were there.
I am a horrible bowler. What's the score? Not good? Although,
like also I don't know the terminology at all, So like my first two
balls were gutter balls, you know. Then like by the sixth or seventh
frame I got. I had a gutter ball in the first roll, and
then I got all of the all ten of the things strike. Yeah.
Yeah, So but I didn't know the names for it, and so I
was like explaining to my brother's like, I got all ten of the things,
and he's like, that's called a strike. No, that's not called
a strike. That's called a spare. A spare is if you hit like
one down and then you hit the nine others. But I just I had
a gutter ball and then I got all ten. Oh is that still a
spare? Okay? And then but then the next frame I did get the
strike. I got all ten on my first one, which was very exciting.
But then but then I think I got tired and it just degenerated from
there. But there is something very fun. I was talking to my cousin,
my dad's cousin, Tina, and I was asking her some question about
the rules, and she sounded like that guy from Batman. You know.
I was I just didn't know how something went or what the scoring was,
and she was like, I was formed in bowling Alley's Bowling Alleys raised me
like I know this, and she was so good. She was like such
an amazing bowler. So that was fun, and it did seem like bowling
would be something I would like to do more of. Oh yeah, I
grew up with a lot of bowling. I liked it. I've been gone
in a while. They sort of made the bowling alley's like discos now,
like there's music and lights. I don't know if they're all like that,
but I don't enjoy that. Ll So this this was certainly nicer than the
bowling alley I'd been to in high school. But it wasn't so nice that
it was super expensive or super clean, you know what I mean. It
was still like a bowling alley. And the dude next to me was so
good. I was like, I bet he's on one of those like bowling
shows, you know. He was just powerful and had a great form,
and it was so much Anyway, it's fun. It also made me wish
that I live near my family so I could do silly things like bowling all
the time. Yeah yeah, all right, well that's a little of a
downer note. And no, I also went. I also went to a
record store and I got some records. I got a Dionne Warwick Greatest Hits
for three dollars. I mean, that's what it's worth. I also,
I don't know why, but I got a couple of Cheech and Chong albums
and they hold up pretty well. I don't know why I like Cheech and
Chong. I'm not not a stoner, but I think it's like growing up
in California and Colorado. They would play a lot of the bits on the
radio and they just make me laugh despite my differences. So I mean,
I've seen I saw all their movies because that's when I was alive. I
never really totally got into it. So maybe I'll give it a shot.
Yes, thank you, thank you for that recommendation. Hofully, you'll have
more next week. And until them, be lovers of them and anxious for
the break and really breathe and say, and I say, they've got a
lot of space. There'll be a place where I can stay. I was
born and raised and said, and I say, I'm going back to find
some of them.