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Hey, it's Bob Pickett. We
are on our way to the legendary Broken

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Spoken. Come on, let's get
out the truck and head inside the damn

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you're proud of it. Come on, let's go and side. Get ready

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for another tale from the Broken Spoke. Now, welcome back to Broken Spoke

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On Bob Pickett. Let's continue our
conversation with Jenny White, Peacock and Michael

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Peacock about the Broken Spoken. Share
some more tales of the late great James

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White. Hey, let's talk about
what happened the other night. It was

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at the Americana Music Aripolitan. What
happened the other night? It was so

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cool. They had a big award
show there at the Moody deal at a

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Clive, a Clive at the Moody
and uh and they uh, they paid

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tribute to two people that had just
passed. I led the tribute to Charlie

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Robinson who passed in September, and
then Day Watson and Alvin Crow let a

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tribute to mister White, and the
y'all came out and the wheel came out,

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right wheel. So listen, we
have a little yeah, we have

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a little backstory. And Mike can
tell you more. But Dale was like

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they had They were like, hey, we think we want the wheel,

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so we're gonna do like you know, so it looks like it broke and

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spoke, and everybody would be surprised
that we had the wheel up there.

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And so Mike was like, that's
I told him. I said, that's

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fine. They could take it every
whatever. Well, we have two wheels

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up here. One of them is
smaller that we use all the time.

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The other one is really large.
My dad had got it, but he

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never used it because it was too
big. And that was actually the wheel

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though that went to the Country Music
Hall of Fame and it was on in

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the exhibit, so it's more fame. It's pallowed. Yes. So anyway,

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there's two up here. Mike showed
them the correct one. But when

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Heidi came out, that's cow girl
Heidi, the wheel roller my dad named

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her. She had it was up
to her chin. It was the ginormous

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wagon whe ginormous. It was not
the small one. And I thought,

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oh lord, poor Heidi. And
then I was kidding around on social I

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was like, well, at least
we had a professional doing it. Those

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wheels are actually very hard to roll. They're slick and like like heavy and

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they're heavy, yes, very heavy. I don't know how much that big

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one weighed, but that's pretty cool
though. But I got on Saturday night

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after Dale played. I mean,
so, Dale came up to me and

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he goes down it. He goes, we've got to get that wagon wheel.

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I forgot all about it. So
next minute Dale was like, oh,

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well, I'm in my truck and
he goes outside and Swayin's took his

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truck and he's like, oh,
so are we going to get the waing

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wheel? So the drama said,
well, don't worry, I'll get it

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in the van somewhere and Dale was
like, okay, well you're just so

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no no. So that was the
last thing we knew about it. And

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I talked to Jenny and she's did
they get the wagon wheel and I said

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yeah, the Dale said he saw
it out, so I guess they picked

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the first. It got the wrong
one. It was, it was right.

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It was way back there by the
stage, I believe, the big

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one. Usually they didn't get the
one and the weather guy rolls, you

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know when he comes out tea,
so I guess they took. But we

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were laughing and I did not know
Heidi was going to be there. So

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that just made my heart like seeing
because I was like, my dad would

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have absolutely loved it and kidded her
so bad about doing it because he made

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her roll the wheel at the Performing
Arts Center. The Big Bass was like,

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I will only do it for you, James, you know, like

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I'm only doing it because I mean
that's a big deal, like in front

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of all those people. So when
I saw her, I thought, oh

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my god, that's like a little
bit of James White and Dale Watson where

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he got her down there to roll
that wheel. And you know, my

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dad has a group of friends that
are, like I said, they're Ride

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or Die James White fan Club.
I mean they do anything for us.

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And the spoke it's Alvin Crowe,
Don Green, Jeff Edens, Heidi Heinen

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and Stephen Crowe. All of those
are like you know, along with the

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Bobby Dan and all of those and
Winker. But those guys, they were

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all down there at the thing and
they were backstage and we were up in

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the mezzanine. We were backstage.
We got there late. A Bobby Dan

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about that she was too busy.
No no, no, no no,

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no, he was gidding it was
him. Well, and I gave Don

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one of our backstage actually I gave
him mine green Yeah, and he goes,

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well, this is yours. And
I said, are they really you

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think they're gonna kick me out?
Don? Yeah, I'm fixing a saying

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take my past. You know,
that's another name that we need to get

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on the show. We need to
have Don. Uh, you really do,

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because he's really so funny and he
knows a lot of stories that I

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don't remember, guess from the seventies
and stuff, and he is so hilarious

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when he talks. He's yeah,
he's such a great nice person. Just

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to really, you know, my
dad, all of his close friends are

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those kind of people he does not
have, Like he never had some big

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stars his best friend. He had
the regular old folks that came out here,

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you know that played, you know, did the nine to five jobs

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or what. Those are his friends, you know, but all good men,

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all good men. But you know
what I mean though, it was

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he never was like, didn't have
to be seen with a group of big

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stars like he He liked real you
know, these real people that come in

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here and and they're just customers for
so long that they become friends. You

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know, I want to share a
story with you. You all probably don't

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know about, but just before Christmas, there was a girl who wanted to

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do a thing for Uto. It
was like, you know, just that

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she had a journalism course. She
wanted to do a thing about the Broughton

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Spot. And it was a sad
I think a Saturday afternoon. We were

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in a film in it and I
know your dad probably would have loved this

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as well. But this lady came
in and she was walking around, she

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was just looking at all the exhibits
and she had another guy with her and

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I just went over to her and
said, can help you And she was

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like, oh yeah, she said, I'm General Patton's great granddaughter. And

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so she found out I was from
England and she started telling me all these

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stories. But we've like shared a
lot of stories since she came in about

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two weeks ago. She's become a
great friend of mine and General Patton's granddaughter,

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yes, and she was so she
found out that I was from Aland.

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And now this is I don't know
if I could was it the accent

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they gave it up? What was
it? Now? I don't know if

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I can officially share this story or
it's actually out there in the news.

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But she was telling me about the
preparations for D Day and the landings for

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D Day, and they smuggled her
General Parton over to England for the D

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Day preparations because he was part of
the under and first airborne going into D

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Day from the Normandy landings and everything. And she was telling me that General

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Patton was stationed in this little house
newbody knew about, and all he had

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with him was a little batman like
footman guy that looked after him while he

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was there, and he disappeared and
they couldn't find him, and they were

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like, where's he gone? Like
there was this big panic that he disappeared

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and nobody knew where he was.
And it turned the backstory if this was

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he turned out him and the guy
looking after him took a little airplane and

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they decided to fly over to France
and go over all the beaches and look

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at the plans for the landing.
And he went over there on officially and

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didn't tell anybody. So could you
imagine if he captured or anything. So

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anyway, she's in charge, she
knows the guy that's in charge of the

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hundred and first Airborne Museum in Bastone
where the Battle of the Bulge took place,

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and she invited me and Jenny and
Anna to go over to France and

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Belgium lived there. She's I mean, she does a lot of history stuff

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over there. He's going to move
to a house in Austin and what she's

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doing, she's doing it's I don't
know if you're realized, but it's the

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atieth anniversary of D Day this this
year, so she's doing this. They

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put a big song together and they're
doing this D Day song about there for

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the under first Airborne and she's asked
so Dale Watson said he would get involved

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and sing on it. So you
want to get involved? How could it?

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And you know my father in law, Brandy's dady was one hundred and

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first Airborne in the sixties, but
he was a streaming eagle. Chill thing

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was when she was outside the Broughton
spoke. She got me to send a

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message that she recorded and she sent
it to the guys in Band of Brothers

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that played all those guys and they
so how many left, They're all passed

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away, but this was the guy. These were the guys that actually filmed

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the band. That's right, you
told me so. She said she's going

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to bring all those guys out to
the Spoke. Make sure it's the last

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Friday of the month. When they
did, they'll get in free. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's the first responding.
But how did she find out about

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the Spoke? What they were in? And lives in Austin, up in

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I think it's Lakeway somewhere, and
she's wants to buy her aunt's house in

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US. Then, so well,
she was in Austin looking at this place.

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She came into the Bronx. It
looked for the most famous, found

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it, found it. She gave
a Nutter Medal from the Patton Museum and

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bustone and oh yeah, and me
and Mike don't drink anymore, but she

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has patent beer and champagne and it's
real champaign because it's over from France.

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It's really cool. So yeah,
we've become great friends for the Bronx Spoke

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and she you would not have thought
like this, you know, just some

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lady that comes in and and that's
when I always say, like, it

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pays off when you're nice to people
you don't know who that lady is,

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but he was nice to her and
spoke to her, and then you find

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out and it's you know, yeah, well it's you got. That's why

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my dad used to always like when
I was up here, because he's like,

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you got to talk to people.
She goes he would talk to a

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lamp post if he stood still longer. My dad the same thing. My

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mom used to say. He talks
more than five women about my dad as

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well, but he loved it.
Customers are still coming to me now that

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I mean people came up during the
Marrow Partner Awards because you know, that's

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like a lot of people from out
of town and out of the country,

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and they were all like, you
know, this spoke special that James White

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stood there and he went round and
he greeted everybody when they came in,

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and he after he sang on stage
and he went round every table in the

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downsill and shook everybody's arm and welcome
to the Brokens Course, you know.

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And that restaurant next door that's seen
that three times go empty. The barn

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on that side is the same thing. And then people say to me,

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like, what's the story, and
I say, you know, yeah,

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it's James White. You have to
be nice to your customers. You have

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to welcome them in. You have
to go around and see if they have

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any proper that's the up them.
Nowadays, they don't get that personal services.

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You walk and you get your food, you pay your bill and you

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leave. You know, but mister
Whitet, you know when he instilled that,

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and y'all you've got that mic,
you've got that. I was going

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to say, I was like,
you know that integrity, you have it.

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But but when he's gone, you
have to keep that. You have

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to pick up that mantle. Not
like I can just ride it out,

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you know what I mean, Nor
do I want to. But it's a

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if you mistreat that, you know, the reputation. So you have to

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be so you have to treat people
like you would like to be treated.

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To talk to you guys, it
comes natural. Well. And also I

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know mister White and now we're we
were talking in the kitchen one night back

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then he would so often he'd pay
us in the kitchen always yep and uh,

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particularly after a big night because they
had that big cutting board in there,

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so he would count out. He'd
count out stacks, you know,

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two hundred stacks not to erupt you
really fast, but I'm I have a

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d D. I forget what I'm
going to say, so I always interrupt.

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But sorry. But after my dad, Oh, one time when my

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dad was out of town, he
had showed me because I was gonna have

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to pay a band for the first
time or whatever, so he I went

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to the James White School of paying
bands and the band was Chris Wall and

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he gave me so much crap,
like he was like kidding around with me,

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like, oh, you gotta do
it like James does it. And

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he would do like the licking the
thumb right, you know, like,

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oh, let's see what we got
here, and he'd and but he would

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count out and he would do little
piles of twenties like hundreds, and then

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he would count it all. But
you know what, that way, all

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the money's there. He could see
it. Dad could see it. Everybody,

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you know what I mean, and
you know what you got and and

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he didn't make any mistakes, so
uh but yeah, So anyway, I

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was just laughing about the Chris Wall, like, well, did you are

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you sure you know you know how
to pay the bands? Well, and

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a couple of things. One what
I was gonna say about mister White,

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is he was. I mean,
he imparted to me one of the greatest

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lessons I've ever heard, well several
times he did that, but one of

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the greatest lessons I've ever learned.
And he just saw that. I was.

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I was talking to the fans as
they were after the end of the

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night, and I said, mister
White, you know they're fans. I

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enjoyed talking to him. He goes, yeah, but I he goes,

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I see that. He said.
You know what I've learned is if you're

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nice to somebody, they'll tell five
people, and if you're not nice to

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them, they'll tell fifty people.
That's right. And I was like,

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wow, what a great you know, I'm glad I'm paying attention. But

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one of the very first times I
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you picked the spoke it's an eighty
twenty split. The band gets eighty percent

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of the door and the house gets
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everything, and that's a that's a
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Right, right, and it's a
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so mister White goes to pay me, and it'd have been a real good

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night. The wagoneer's blessed. We
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pulled out just pretty good water cash, you know. But I was like,

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he goes, well, see what
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that's mine, and then he pulls
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he enjoyed monkey and with the with
me anyway. Yeah. Yeah, he

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was always like yeah, and he
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throughout the night. Yeah, it
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up, Mike, And you told
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the story because you know you're from
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group of the big group of tourists
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style of trust wasn't like the best
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you know. And that White was
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got to go to Cavendus and got
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okay, she goes, but you
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and I'm like, okay. So
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six hundred dollars and I went off
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and some boots and some George Straight
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I came here one day and I
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not a soul in the place.
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of his sparkly shirts on that Ginny
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all dressed up. I guess he'd
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somewhere, and we just got talking
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so you've got to George Straight stuff, and like he does start laughing,

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and next minute, of course,
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tourists outside and all these people are
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This lady comes up, like thirty
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yeah, thirty or forty. You
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And you know, they were all
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can I get I'm not very good
accent, so this is my She

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goes, hey, can I get
my pitch? You're taken with you two

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Texas cowboys, and James like looks
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the thing and he squat and he
goes Mike, he goes, don't say

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a word, like like they had
just stood everything around and all and taking

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all these pictures quiet stor cowboys.
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like even for years later on,
he was like when it tricked his

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mind, he would like, I
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as he always got such a kick out

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of stuff, and he always got
so much joy out of everything. I

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mean, it's like when we had
like a real every night Adale Watson the

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derailers back in the day, and
James would all be sat at the front

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bard he was all sat in that
middle seat and he'd be like laughing and

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looking and stores everybody. It was
like the last and he saw that we're

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like we've been like we look like
we've been like you know, lying,

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and we were like wowing out.
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And I would always turn around and
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I blame that James White for this. And he looked at me and he

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goes I guess if you want built
this place, we would have just had

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our asses under Oh yeah, you
got that right. You know the way

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he ended every every episode of the
first season, it's a bob and there

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was this time but wait, that's
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the way he ended all of the
shows. If you have a listen to

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the first season, you want to
maybe I don't know, cut some of

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those into some of the you know, I wish I wish that he had

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done more of stuff like that voiceovers, and because he was so talented,

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like like or like acting stuff,
I think he would have been amazing.

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When the man worked twenty hours a
day, but we were getting ready to

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come back and do more stuff than
COVID hit, and then his health problems

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hit and we were getting ready to
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Okay, it's I guess it's it's
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then watching you at his funeral,
going wait a minute, mister White's pointing

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me to this guy right here who
happens to be family, Thank you,

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thank you well. When Jenny asked
me to give his eulogy, I it's

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one of the biggest honors of my
whole life, you know, of all

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the people that could have been asked. And I told Brandy, I said,

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boy, I got to get this
right. He did, and you

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did. You got the sunshine that
day, everything just that day, January

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twenty fourth, and it was like
seventy gorgeous, gorgeous, and those pictures

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that are like there's like a sunbeam. Oh, it's amazing, right.

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It was just I remember, like
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a year before all that ridiculous,
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I came here and George Strait had
just released Honky Tonk time Machine and we

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had a big party here and the
Wagoneers were playing, and I brought one

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of the gold records that George gave
me for desperately, you know, and

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I wanted to give it to the
White family, and uh and I was

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talking to mister White and he said, he said, well, you want,

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we'll put this on display for you. I said, no, sir,

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I'm giving you this gold record.
He goes, you can't do that,

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and I said, mister White,
I don't have a gold record.

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If not for the broken spoke,
I learned how to write songs keeping the

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audience happy here and he said,
well, I'll take it then, you

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know. Oh he was so proud
that. I just saw some of those

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pictures of him, like holding that
record, and yeah, he was very

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proud and he was it was heartfelt
when people gave and people give him,

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would give him stuff like that because
he was so nice and they knew he

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would take care of it and that
really it meant everything to him and you

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wouldn't And I, as a songwriter, I would not have had that without

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James. And what James and Netta
White have built and what y'all are carrying

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on. It's amazing. Thank y'all, Thank you very much. Now,

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thank you for allowing us to come
in here and do the podcast. I

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got to tell you also, I
look at the stats of the podcast.

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People from outside us listening to this
all the time. Awesome. So we

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want to give me hours in case
they ever come over here, the hours

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of Broken Spoke. When can they
sample the world famous Broken Spoke Chicken front.

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Okay, so Tuesday through Saturday starting
at four pm, got you,

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that's when our kitchen opens. We
open now, yeah, we do not

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open during the day, So anytime
after four and if they want to get

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Broken Spoke merch, they will sell
it to you here at the Broken Spoke.

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You got to get here the and
they can come here Tuesday through Saturday

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at nine o'clock and hear the best
honky talk music on the face of the

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earth. And the last Friday of
every month they can hear the world famous

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wagoneers and all first responders get in
free, all of them. But you

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got to talk to Mike, you
talk to listen. That's this Friday.

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That's just Friday day after tomorrow.
And we're gonna bring Vonn in as well.

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My son Van will always And I
just want to say something before we

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go. Since I've been doing all
this stuff that James used to do and

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running the bron Spoke, Jenny and
Dale Watson and Monty Warden, I've all

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paid me some compliments that you know. Dale said to me, Goes,

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I could see the spirit of James
White inside you, and I think that's

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probably the best compliment anybody can ever
gift to. Jenny said to me,

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She said, my dad would have
been so proud for what you've done for

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the Broker Spoke. And every time
and Monthy got together Brandy and everybody else.

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I will say the same thing.
And I just want to say thank

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you to everybody. Well, thank
you. Yes, Well, I tell

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you know, he didn't do any
of these jobs before, uh, before

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my dad passed away. He'd never
done any of the things that I had.

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Because he's doing all the things I
used to do, plus all the

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stuff my dad used to do,
and so he is busy all the time.

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You'll have no idea. He's up
here at least twelve hours a day

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and he doesn't have to do like
he's my husband. But I mean it's

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not his family, but it is, you know what I mean. But

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it's hard to find somebody that will
love something like you love it like that.

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I mean, I grew up here. That's why I love it.

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I don't know anything, and you're
you're a part of the Broken Spoke history.

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He's so good. I mean he's
from England, but he's more Texan

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than a lot of Texans. He
loves this, he loves our culture,

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he loves the Broken Spoke and he
loves this music. So yeah, we're

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very blessed. I just thought it
was a Southman check accent. I have

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no idea. Yeah, yeah,
it's very East East Texas. Well,

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I will say this when we pull
up with Van and in our oldest boy

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Van, he's he's like the mascot
of the Broken Spoke. He's a thirty

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four year old man with Down syndrome. So the way he talks, he

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talks if you've ever been around people
with downs, very much like that.

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And when we pull up and you
know, coming the back for a Wagoneer

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show, he'll first thing, first
thing without fail. Oh, let's go

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see mister Peacock every time. Let's
go see you love that. I love

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that, And that's not on accident. You know, it's amazing. Come

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after the Broken Spoke visit with mister
Peacock, you call him Mike. You're

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gonna fall in love with him.
You go fall in love with place.

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Oh yeah, I've never met I've
never met anybody that's just been the Spoke

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one time. Yeah, everybody comes
back, Yeah, yeah, come back

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your family. More tales coming up. Where As mister Why would say it's

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a tale for another time, what
a great show. Tales from the Broken

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Spoke is recorded live at The Broken
Spoke in Austin, Texas, hosted by

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Country Radio Hall of fame broadcaster Bog
Pickett and Monty Warden, recorded, mixed

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down and produced by Mike rivera