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Hello, and welcome to Round two
of the Parenting Roundabout podcasts for the week

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of May eight. I'm Catherine and
Leko and I'm here with Terry Morrow.

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Hello. Usually on this podcast we
talk about parenting issues, but once a

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week Terry and I like to get
together to discuss TV, movies, books,

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and other entertainment topics because it's nice
to talk about something other than parenting

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for a change. So after a
brief hiatus, we are back with both

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our series watches, Brothers and Sisters
where we are in season two and ted

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Lasso where we are in season three, and we watched two ted lassos since

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we were off last week, so
they are number seven the Strings that Bind

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Us and number eight We'll Never have
Paris. And my thoughts on these are

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that I basically care about the players
and like almost no one else, like

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I care about Rebecca. I'm annoyed
with the Chilee storyline, I'm annoyed with

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the Nate storyline, the Ted storyline. I can take or leave. So

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yeah, show me the players like
banding together to help Sam. That was

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beautiful. That was that's the that's
what we like. That's the Christmas episode

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thing. That's what I'm looking for
that was very sweet, and the fact

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that it came at the end of
like a forty seven minute episode. I

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had already given up on anything I
liked happening in this episode, and then

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there was this lovely little gift at
the end. Right, But that first

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episode, the Strings That Bind Us
kind of an uncomfortable title given the function

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of strings of strings drill, which
would that happen? Yeah, I don't

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think so. But I had watched
a little of it enough to I'd watched

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it up to about the part where
Nate was coming for the second time to

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wave to the girl at the restaurant, and then I had other things to

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do and I didn't get back to
it for a while, and I got

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I subscribed to Alan Suppinwell's substack,
and I got the email from him,

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and the title of the email was
Nate the Not So Great And I thought,

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oh, crud, is he gonna
do The girl's going to reject him,

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and then he's going to do something
nasty and awful and I don't want

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to watch that. And I really
put off watching the episode until last night,

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and then I watched it. Then
it was like, nothing really bad

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happened. In that Nate storyline.
I kept waiting for something bad to happen,

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and it didn't, and I so
I went back and said, Alan,

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what you're talking about. And it
turns out that there was a fair

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amount of anger, well of dissatisfaction
from Alan and from many many of his

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commenters about the possibility of Nate being
redeemed. That he was awful, He

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was terrible. The things he did
cannot be taken back unless you're gonna do

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a whole season of him making up
for all the horrible things he did,

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which we do not want that.
No, no, thank you, because

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they will do it too, unless
there's going to be like huge amounts of

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plot dedicated to him undoing all the
terrible things he did. We don't want

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him to be redeemed. No,
no, no, it's unredeemable. And

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I and I don't want the plot. I don't Yeah, I don't want

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those huge I don't want them to
spend their time that way. No,

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no, I am. I mean
I thought they built up enough of why

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he would behave the way he did, just in terms of a very insecure

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person who had been down by his
dad not being very good at being more

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confident but there are people who felt
that the things he did, I think

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specifically kissing Keily and telling the press
about Ted's panic attacks are unredeemable acts.

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And yeah, they're lousy, but
I liked Nate in season one. If

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we could get back to Nate in
season one, they can do it as

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expeditious as they want. Let's just
take all the season to Nate and put

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it in a trunk and drop it
into a canal with Rebecca's phone and never

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talk of it again. I would
be cool with this. And it's like,

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if we're talking about evil and unredeemable, that's rupert. He is not

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at Rupert levels of evil and irredeemable. So I am fine if he is

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okay now, but there are many
people who are super ticked about it.

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So and I hope that well.
I mean, I imagine these episodes are

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all done and this is the last
episode last season. So but oh my

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goodness, the length on these things. That is the matter with number hour

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That episode last, the Sunflower episode, it was a special one. They

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were all having their little storylines and
stuff. It was a kind of a

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Beard after Darky sort of thing,
and that that was why that one was

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long. But they're all that long. Now, they're all that long?

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Why why are they that long?
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understand. But um, there was
a little bit more in the first episode

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we watched of everybody being together in
scenes, people being together in scenes,

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and more of it in the one
after that. And can we just increase

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that all is forgiven? If you
can just finish up this season right making

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me feel good, that would be
fine. Um, both of these.

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I had a subplot of people who
should know better about how social media works.

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Sam, really guy, I love
you and I hate to see you

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upset and hurt and angry, and
that was a very moving scene where he

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was so upset and then his dad
walked in and right, but do they

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not give these guys training about social
media? Well? Yeah, and then

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but if the training came from Keiley, who's that's her exactly? Who?

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Also, although that was apparently Jamie
just having a stupid passwork, but um,

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yeah, you know you guys,
I don't know. Yeah, But

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but the Sam plot did end with
the team coming and putting his restaurant back

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together, and that was just the
sweetest thing. And and also that his

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dad being a good guy and not
being like Nate's dad, you know,

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his dad, Like I was afraid
that his dad was gonna be difficult,

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and he was not. He was
dad a time when the team had a

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sponsor that was right, you know
that the dad wasn't happy about. And

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so I thought, oh, is
this going to be another one of these

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things? But no, it was
lovely right. Um, so, so

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there were some things I liked about
that episode. Um, I just kept

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thinking, can we just end this
episode before something bad happens? If this

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has been going on for a long
time, can we just end it now?

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There's been a place to end it, right, And I look at

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the thing and there's like twenty minutes
left. Are you serious? I?

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The Nate thing is just I mean, I don't know what that woman sees

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in him particularly, right, but
I don't just just make it end,

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just let them be. That character
is just so has been so weirdly con

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seeved all the way through in terms
of what his age is and what his

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particular story is, and they seem
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and just whatever. Yeah, yeah, definitely very odd. And then the

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second episode, We'll never have Parish, correct, we had Ted and Ted's

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wife and Ted's wife's boyfriend who was
their therapist, and I am just not

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into that whole dynamic. I really
did not need to see them. The

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kid's cute, fine, I really
don't care what happens in that. I

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just think Ted needs to move on. I guess it was showing us that,

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you know, like two steps forward, one step back, right,

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like he sort of overcame a panic
attack or he stopped a panic attack.

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Um, but you know, he's
still I don't like to be using the

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word triggered. He is still,
you know, definitely affected by what happens

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with his y. I agree with
all that. I understand it. It's

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emotionally true. I don't care,
right, I don't want to see it.

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I don't want to see I want
cheerful Ted back from the first season.

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I want him to fix everything.
As although they did have that montage

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of wins, so that's, uh, that's always nice. Yeah, we

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see them win or do anything.
We just need to know it happened,

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right, Yeah, fifty seven minutes, you can't even Okay, Yeah,

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they did show Kiley and Rebecca in
the stands, yes, for a second,

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looking happy. I was happy that
they had some moments together, and

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I think that Rebecca's concerned about Jack
is well placed as somebody who is EXPERI

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aience with people with money. But
Jack is one of those characters who sort

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of exists to do whatever the plot
needs her to do in a yeah exactly,

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Yes, she which like, I
remember that guy that was only a

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couple episodes ago, but it sure
feels like a completely different show and we

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never saw him again. Yeah,
It's like Jack has been nothing but cool

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and open, and you would expect
her to be the one to say if

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it what people think and what they
see, it means nothing, and instead

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she's the like, could you put
out this really humiliating statement please, or

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else I'm leaving? Who are you? Where was that that person who was

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here before? Could we get her
back? It just didn't didn't jibe.

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I didn't think right. But it's
not like they really bothered to make a

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character there. They just nice costumes
and some lines basically right, So whatever

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happens with that, I do not
care. Jamie was pretty adorable coming to

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apologize. Yes, Kila said,
the redemption of Jamie is working much better

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than the redemption of Nate is.
Yeah, Jamie's offenses were all like in

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the first season. He's been a
pretty solid guy since then. I think

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whereas Nates were are fresher, but
I don't know. Yes, it's just

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there's there's parts of the second episode
I enjoyed. I enjoyed it much more.

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It seemed like they were doing more
people together and um, it was

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cute than them going to the game
and the kid waving to Nate and I

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liked that. But it was again
so very long. I mean that they

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were when they were sitting around singing, Hey Jude, I thought, this

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is the perfect end of the episode. Isn't this a sweet way to end

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it? And then there were still
like twelve minutes, right, And then

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my son and I turned to each
other and said, how much did that

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cost them to play like eighty five
percent of page? Yes, holy care,

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that's probably a lot of money.
It was. It just seemed like

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a whole lot of plot threads that
never particularly wove together. But Okay,

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they are gonna They're gonna stick the
landing on this thing. Right, How

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many more episodes are there one moment? Because I believe there's like four,

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because I think we decided it was
twelve. Yes, that's right. A

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moment, just let me confirm.
Yeah, there's twelve. Yeah, it's

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these episodes are so lengthy and still
nothing really that much happens in them.

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I mean, if they were burning
plot, like brothers and Sisters, then

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there would be maybe a reason we
have all these things we want to do,

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but it just seems like we're feeling
we're stretching the plot we have over

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all these episodes. And in addition, we're going to make these episodes twice

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as long as ordinary episodes. Right, maybe see if they had chat GPT

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writing these scripts for them, they
snappy. I just still so like all

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the actors and the characters, even
when they're not really given anything all that

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interesting to do. But you know, when I'm trying to watch episodes,

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so I could talk about them on
a podcasting, as we say, last

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week last time you know have Mercy, yes exactly. So yeah, well

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well so I wasn't that some opportunity
I was about the one before, but

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come on, come on, yeah, move along, move along, shell

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exactly. And I mean we still
like there's there's things, there's threads.

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I mean, there's like Rebecca on
the boat in Amsterdam. That's that's not

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over, right, And well I
think we already saw at the end of

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this episode, the eighth episode that
the colin in the closet thing is definitely

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not over. Yeah, so,
I don't know. It was a funny

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bit of business of all the guys
having to delete all the photos of their

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phone, right, but it could
have been you could have conveyed the same

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amount in like half the time.
Yes, we get it right, there

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are a lot of pictures. See, Jamie should have said make sure to

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delete the emails too, all right, and he didn't. He didn't want

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to admit it at that time.
Maybe yeah, so well, oh well

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you mentioned Brothers and Sisters, Shelby. Even these episodes Colassos were more fun

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than this Brothers and Sister history,
repeating making of nonsensical plot threads that just

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come out of nowhere. Hello,
Julia's evil family, right, okay,

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yeah, Okayculias, Tommy. And
for William's death, which I don't know,

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it seems a little fully formed of
an opinion as opposed to just generalized.

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Yeah, I canny, but okay, right, and so she's it's

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gonna take the baby and go off
with her family, and will we ever

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see them again. I won't say
because I don't remember, but okay,

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but is really sharp and coming in
there with the phone calls and making herself

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useful. Yeah, imagine that.
Yeah, yea. So Nora is not

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doing a good job of holding onto
her grandchildren because one of them just left

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for Arizona and the other is with
Joe. Others are with Joe. She

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would think that she would be getting
mixing it up with that thing. She

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could have gone toe to doe with
Julia's dad. That would have been fun

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to see. You know, he's
like twice his twice her height, but

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still right. She could have stown
on a chair. But no, she's

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busy trying to get her drug drug
addict son to take drugs again, to

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take drugs. Big job, but
she enlists uh um, Rebecca Rebecca who

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Yeah? I also was saying,
you're taking them out to like a cafe

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really on his crutches? Is this
same? Wise? But you know,

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you don't ask somebody that age to
do a job for you and expect that

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they're going to do it in a
responsible fashion. Come on, well,

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or ask anyone and expect them to
do it the way you would do it.

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You know, exactly. You asked
her to do it, she did

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it, So you have to just
take it or leave it or justin.

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I know there's no way this goes
well either way, but right and there

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are there are ways to try to
make it, to make it okay.

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And it sounds like they are yes, drying them are involved and all that

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stuff, but it's too bad,
unfortunate break for him. Yes, and

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and then we have the return of
Scottie. Always good to see you against

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Scottie, even if you got a
duy. And you know we're sassy to

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an officer. And that's the real
reason why you gotta take kiss. I

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think we knew that even before it
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so he and Kevin are going to
be friends because Kevin helps him out

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by defending him. Right, Scottie
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right, Um. Yeah, Scotty's
always a fun presence. Yeah,

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it is always nice to see him. Always nice to see him and Kitty

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Robert's ex wife him Marion Hinkle.
Nice to see the evil Courtney speaking of

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as I have of once and again
she was on that show, very played

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cial Awards sister, So I'm always
happy when I see her in various places.

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I guess she's on The Marvelous Missus
Mazel, now, right do you?

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I don't know. I don't watch
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think her mom. I can look
at if I am correct, things that

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I know only through reading stuff on
social media and reviews and hearing people talk

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about her on podcasts. I think
she and Tony Shaloub are her parents,

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but I could have that mixed up
anyway. I do not like this character,

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but I like the actress. Nice
to see, always happy to see

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her getting work. Correct, she
is on The Marvelous Missus Mazel And who

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does she play one moment? Yes, missus Masl's mother, and she's married

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to Tony Shalub. Yeah, or
Tony Shalub plays her husband anyway, So

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yeah, So basically by the thick
the fact that Kitty bluffed her. But

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yeah, but if it makes this
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it, right, Yeah, Kitty, she's threatening to go on Larry King

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and say bad things about Robert so
specifically that Hetty he had an affair with

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the nanny, right, which is
what she's been saying. Yes, she

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is the one who had an affair, not the nanny but the xboy.

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Right. Um, but apparently,
I mean, given if it she know

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Courtney, you know, knows that
it's not true. So she is sufficiently

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scared by Killsta Flockhart's character. Yeah, but I mean, if the nanny

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came forward and said it's not true, couldn't she just say you're a liar?

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People would still believe it? Right. Of course she's going to say

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it's not true. We know what
really happened. Man, It seemed unconvincing,

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but I was eager for that to
go away. So yeah, I'm

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not going to call foul on it
because excellent, she fell for it.

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Excellent. Good right, let's stop
this now. But Darinkol, happy to

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see you. Don't ever want to
see you as this character again. Go

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away goodbye to catch that paycheck,
babe, and move on to something else,

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which she did, as we've said, she'd move on to many others.

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Also on Two and a half Men
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the mom of the mom of the
half a man. There you go,

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so but it mostly this was a
depressing episode because of the Tommy and Julia

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plot, which, on top of
the Justin plot. The Justin plot was

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agonizing, but you know, he
eventually is going to be okay because they're

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not going to want us to look
at him being in pain for as many

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seasons as they hope to have.
So you know, it's gonna get resolved

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and he will move on to the
next, you know plot. But Tommy

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and Julia, they've never really known
what to do with them. I don't

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know why they've been I think a
little bored by them, the writers,

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it seems, and so this just
seems like a way to just get rid

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of it. But I don't know. I was annoyed by this the first

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time I watched it. I am
annoyed again. Yeah, And whatever reasons

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there may have been for why things
took this turn, there was rumors of

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things at the time that some bad
behavior by both are getting that caused them

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to set up the plots that happened
in this season. But I don't know

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if that's true. But at the
same time, I don't like I liked

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Sarah Jane Morris. I don't like
this plot line for her, right,

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m hm, yeah, just annoying, annoying and unnecessary. Yeah, the

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whole thing is unfortunate. Oh,
well sure so and Sarah, I can't

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even remember if anything happened yea with
one of her kids who was not happy

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with her and happier I guess at
the other house. So oh well,

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yeah, I think she just got
one walk in and walk out, or

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maybe she didn't even walk out,
just like one scene. She needed she

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needed a vacation day, I guess. So yeah, they're all probably just

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as glad if nothing bad happens to
my character this week. Great, great

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under the radar, right exactly.
Well, so there you go, Um,

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what is coming up? We will
stick with one episode of each uster

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episode of ted Lasso feels like too
yes, then the next ted Lasso episode

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nine is called La Locker Room Oh
full, so that's labored um, and

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then Brothers and Sisters episode four is
called States of the Union. So yeah,

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not a lot of happy unions on
the show. The unions are in

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quite a state at the moment,
all in a state, so yikes,

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but we'll find out. And that's
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