Hello, and welcome to Round two of the Parenting Roundabout podcasts for the week
of May eight. I'm Catherine and Leko and I'm here with Terry Morrow.
Hello. Usually on this podcast we talk about parenting issues, but once a
week Terry and I like to get together to discuss TV, movies, books,
and other entertainment topics because it's nice to talk about something other than parenting
for a change. So after a brief hiatus, we are back with both
our series watches, Brothers and Sisters where we are in season two and ted
Lasso where we are in season three, and we watched two ted lassos since
we were off last week, so they are number seven the Strings that Bind
Us and number eight We'll Never have Paris. And my thoughts on these are
that I basically care about the players and like almost no one else, like
I care about Rebecca. I'm annoyed with the Chilee storyline, I'm annoyed with
the Nate storyline, the Ted storyline. I can take or leave. So
yeah, show me the players like banding together to help Sam. That was
beautiful. That was that's the that's what we like. That's the Christmas episode
thing. That's what I'm looking for that was very sweet, and the fact
that it came at the end of like a forty seven minute episode. I
had already given up on anything I liked happening in this episode, and then
there was this lovely little gift at the end. Right, But that first
episode, the Strings That Bind Us kind of an uncomfortable title given the function
of strings of strings drill, which would that happen? Yeah, I don't
think so. But I had watched a little of it enough to I'd watched
it up to about the part where Nate was coming for the second time to
wave to the girl at the restaurant, and then I had other things to
do and I didn't get back to it for a while, and I got
I subscribed to Alan Suppinwell's substack, and I got the email from him,
and the title of the email was Nate the Not So Great And I thought,
oh, crud, is he gonna do The girl's going to reject him,
and then he's going to do something nasty and awful and I don't want
to watch that. And I really put off watching the episode until last night,
and then I watched it. Then it was like, nothing really bad
happened. In that Nate storyline. I kept waiting for something bad to happen,
and it didn't, and I so I went back and said, Alan,
what you're talking about. And it turns out that there was a fair
amount of anger, well of dissatisfaction from Alan and from many many of his
commenters about the possibility of Nate being redeemed. That he was awful, He
was terrible. The things he did cannot be taken back unless you're gonna do
a whole season of him making up for all the horrible things he did,
which we do not want that. No, no, thank you, because
they will do it too, unless there's going to be like huge amounts of
plot dedicated to him undoing all the terrible things he did. We don't want
him to be redeemed. No, no, no, it's unredeemable. And
I and I don't want the plot. I don't Yeah, I don't want
those huge I don't want them to spend their time that way. No,
no, I am. I mean I thought they built up enough of why
he would behave the way he did, just in terms of a very insecure
person who had been down by his dad not being very good at being more
confident but there are people who felt that the things he did, I think
specifically kissing Keily and telling the press about Ted's panic attacks are unredeemable acts.
And yeah, they're lousy, but I liked Nate in season one. If
we could get back to Nate in season one, they can do it as
expeditious as they want. Let's just take all the season to Nate and put
it in a trunk and drop it into a canal with Rebecca's phone and never
talk of it again. I would be cool with this. And it's like,
if we're talking about evil and unredeemable, that's rupert. He is not
at Rupert levels of evil and irredeemable. So I am fine if he is
okay now, but there are many people who are super ticked about it.
So and I hope that well. I mean, I imagine these episodes are
all done and this is the last episode last season. So but oh my
goodness, the length on these things. That is the matter with number hour
That episode last, the Sunflower episode, it was a special one. They
were all having their little storylines and stuff. It was a kind of a
Beard after Darky sort of thing, and that that was why that one was
long. But they're all that long. Now, they're all that long?
Why why are they that long? Yeah, I don't know, I don't
understand. But um, there was a little bit more in the first episode
we watched of everybody being together in scenes, people being together in scenes,
and more of it in the one after that. And can we just increase
that all is forgiven? If you can just finish up this season right making
me feel good, that would be fine. Um, both of these.
I had a subplot of people who should know better about how social media works.
Sam, really guy, I love you and I hate to see you
upset and hurt and angry, and that was a very moving scene where he
was so upset and then his dad walked in and right, but do they
not give these guys training about social media? Well? Yeah, and then
but if the training came from Keiley, who's that's her exactly? Who?
Also, although that was apparently Jamie just having a stupid passwork, but um,
yeah, you know you guys, I don't know. Yeah, But
but the Sam plot did end with the team coming and putting his restaurant back
together, and that was just the sweetest thing. And and also that his
dad being a good guy and not being like Nate's dad, you know,
his dad, Like I was afraid that his dad was gonna be difficult,
and he was not. He was dad a time when the team had a
sponsor that was right, you know that the dad wasn't happy about. And
so I thought, oh, is this going to be another one of these
things? But no, it was lovely right. Um, so, so
there were some things I liked about that episode. Um, I just kept
thinking, can we just end this episode before something bad happens? If this
has been going on for a long time, can we just end it now?
There's been a place to end it, right, And I look at
the thing and there's like twenty minutes left. Are you serious? I?
The Nate thing is just I mean, I don't know what that woman sees
in him particularly, right, but I don't just just make it end,
just let them be. That character is just so has been so weirdly con
seeved all the way through in terms of what his age is and what his
particular story is, and they seem to be going back and forth with it
and just whatever. Yeah, yeah, definitely very odd. And then the
second episode, We'll never have Parish, correct, we had Ted and Ted's
wife and Ted's wife's boyfriend who was their therapist, and I am just not
into that whole dynamic. I really did not need to see them. The
kid's cute, fine, I really don't care what happens in that. I
just think Ted needs to move on. I guess it was showing us that,
you know, like two steps forward, one step back, right,
like he sort of overcame a panic attack or he stopped a panic attack.
Um, but you know, he's still I don't like to be using the
word triggered. He is still, you know, definitely affected by what happens
with his y. I agree with all that. I understand it. It's
emotionally true. I don't care, right, I don't want to see it.
I don't want to see I want cheerful Ted back from the first season.
I want him to fix everything. As although they did have that montage
of wins, so that's, uh, that's always nice. Yeah, we
see them win or do anything. We just need to know it happened,
right, Yeah, fifty seven minutes, you can't even Okay, Yeah,
they did show Kiley and Rebecca in the stands, yes, for a second,
looking happy. I was happy that they had some moments together, and
I think that Rebecca's concerned about Jack is well placed as somebody who is EXPERI
aience with people with money. But Jack is one of those characters who sort
of exists to do whatever the plot needs her to do in a yeah exactly,
Yes, she which like, I remember that guy that was only a
couple episodes ago, but it sure feels like a completely different show and we
never saw him again. Yeah, It's like Jack has been nothing but cool
and open, and you would expect her to be the one to say if
it what people think and what they see, it means nothing, and instead
she's the like, could you put out this really humiliating statement please, or
else I'm leaving? Who are you? Where was that that person who was
here before? Could we get her back? It just didn't didn't jibe.
I didn't think right. But it's not like they really bothered to make a
character there. They just nice costumes and some lines basically right, So whatever
happens with that, I do not care. Jamie was pretty adorable coming to
apologize. Yes, Kila said, the redemption of Jamie is working much better
than the redemption of Nate is. Yeah, Jamie's offenses were all like in
the first season. He's been a pretty solid guy since then. I think
whereas Nates were are fresher, but I don't know. Yes, it's just
there's there's parts of the second episode I enjoyed. I enjoyed it much more.
It seemed like they were doing more people together and um, it was
cute than them going to the game and the kid waving to Nate and I
liked that. But it was again so very long. I mean that they
were when they were sitting around singing, Hey Jude, I thought, this
is the perfect end of the episode. Isn't this a sweet way to end
it? And then there were still like twelve minutes, right, And then
my son and I turned to each other and said, how much did that
cost them to play like eighty five percent of page? Yes, holy care,
that's probably a lot of money. It was. It just seemed like
a whole lot of plot threads that never particularly wove together. But Okay,
they are gonna They're gonna stick the landing on this thing. Right, How
many more episodes are there one moment? Because I believe there's like four,
because I think we decided it was twelve. Yes, that's right. A
moment, just let me confirm. Yeah, there's twelve. Yeah, it's
these episodes are so lengthy and still nothing really that much happens in them.
I mean, if they were burning plot, like brothers and Sisters, then
there would be maybe a reason we have all these things we want to do,
but it just seems like we're feeling we're stretching the plot we have over
all these episodes. And in addition, we're going to make these episodes twice
as long as ordinary episodes. Right, maybe see if they had chat GPT
writing these scripts for them, they snappy. I just still so like all
the actors and the characters, even when they're not really given anything all that
interesting to do. But you know, when I'm trying to watch episodes,
so I could talk about them on a podcasting, as we say, last
week last time you know have Mercy, yes exactly. So yeah, well
well so I wasn't that some opportunity I was about the one before, but
come on, come on, yeah, move along, move along, shell
exactly. And I mean we still like there's there's things, there's threads.
I mean, there's like Rebecca on the boat in Amsterdam. That's that's not
over, right, And well I think we already saw at the end of
this episode, the eighth episode that the colin in the closet thing is definitely
not over. Yeah, so, I don't know. It was a funny
bit of business of all the guys having to delete all the photos of their
phone, right, but it could have been you could have conveyed the same
amount in like half the time. Yes, we get it right, there
are a lot of pictures. See, Jamie should have said make sure to
delete the emails too, all right, and he didn't. He didn't want
to admit it at that time. Maybe yeah, so well, oh well
you mentioned Brothers and Sisters, Shelby. Even these episodes Colassos were more fun
than this Brothers and Sister history, repeating making of nonsensical plot threads that just
come out of nowhere. Hello, Julia's evil family, right, okay,
yeah, Okayculias, Tommy. And for William's death, which I don't know,
it seems a little fully formed of an opinion as opposed to just generalized.
Yeah, I canny, but okay, right, and so she's it's
gonna take the baby and go off with her family, and will we ever
see them again. I won't say because I don't remember, but okay,
but is really sharp and coming in there with the phone calls and making herself
useful. Yeah, imagine that. Yeah, yea. So Nora is not
doing a good job of holding onto her grandchildren because one of them just left
for Arizona and the other is with Joe. Others are with Joe. She
would think that she would be getting mixing it up with that thing. She
could have gone toe to doe with Julia's dad. That would have been fun
to see. You know, he's like twice his twice her height, but
still right. She could have stown on a chair. But no, she's
busy trying to get her drug drug addict son to take drugs again, to
take drugs. Big job, but she enlists uh um, Rebecca Rebecca who
Yeah? I also was saying, you're taking them out to like a cafe
really on his crutches? Is this same? Wise? But you know,
you don't ask somebody that age to do a job for you and expect that
they're going to do it in a responsible fashion. Come on, well,
or ask anyone and expect them to do it the way you would do it.
You know, exactly. You asked her to do it, she did
it, So you have to just take it or leave it or justin.
I know there's no way this goes well either way, but right and there
are there are ways to try to make it, to make it okay.
And it sounds like they are yes, drying them are involved and all that
stuff, but it's too bad, unfortunate break for him. Yes, and
and then we have the return of Scottie. Always good to see you against
Scottie, even if you got a duy. And you know we're sassy to
an officer. And that's the real reason why you gotta take kiss. I
think we knew that even before it was the Olden court But right, um,
so he and Kevin are going to be friends because Kevin helps him out
by defending him. Right, Scottie can cook him mules at this expensive restaurant,
right, Um. Yeah, Scotty's always a fun presence. Yeah,
it is always nice to see him. Always nice to see him and Kitty
Robert's ex wife him Marion Hinkle. Nice to see the evil Courtney speaking of
as I have of once and again she was on that show, very played
cial Awards sister, So I'm always happy when I see her in various places.
I guess she's on The Marvelous Missus Mazel, now, right do you?
I don't know. I don't watch that show, but that sounds I
think her mom. I can look at if I am correct, things that
I know only through reading stuff on social media and reviews and hearing people talk
about her on podcasts. I think she and Tony Shaloub are her parents,
but I could have that mixed up anyway. I do not like this character,
but I like the actress. Nice to see, always happy to see
her getting work. Correct, she is on The Marvelous Missus Mazel And who
does she play one moment? Yes, missus Masl's mother, and she's married
to Tony Shalub. Yeah, or Tony Shalub plays her husband anyway, So
yeah, So basically by the thick the fact that Kitty bluffed her. But
yeah, but if it makes this plotline go away, I am all for
it, right, Yeah, Kitty, she's threatening to go on Larry King
and say bad things about Robert so specifically that Hetty he had an affair with
the nanny, right, which is what she's been saying. Yes, she
is the one who had an affair, not the nanny but the xboy.
Right. Um, but apparently, I mean, given if it she know
Courtney, you know, knows that it's not true. So she is sufficiently
scared by Killsta Flockhart's character. Yeah, but I mean, if the nanny
came forward and said it's not true, couldn't she just say you're a liar?
People would still believe it? Right. Of course she's going to say
it's not true. We know what really happened. Man, It seemed unconvincing,
but I was eager for that to go away. So yeah, I'm
not going to call foul on it because excellent, she fell for it.
Excellent. Good right, let's stop this now. But Darinkol, happy to
see you. Don't ever want to see you as this character again. Go
away goodbye to catch that paycheck, babe, and move on to something else,
which she did, as we've said, she'd move on to many others.
Also on Two and a half Men is one of their ex wives,
the mom of the mom of the half a man. There you go,
so but it mostly this was a depressing episode because of the Tommy and Julia
plot, which, on top of the Justin plot. The Justin plot was
agonizing, but you know, he eventually is going to be okay because they're
not going to want us to look at him being in pain for as many
seasons as they hope to have. So you know, it's gonna get resolved
and he will move on to the next, you know plot. But Tommy
and Julia, they've never really known what to do with them. I don't
know why they've been I think a little bored by them, the writers,
it seems, and so this just seems like a way to just get rid
of it. But I don't know. I was annoyed by this the first
time I watched it. I am annoyed again. Yeah, And whatever reasons
there may have been for why things took this turn, there was rumors of
things at the time that some bad behavior by both are getting that caused them
to set up the plots that happened in this season. But I don't know
if that's true. But at the same time, I don't like I liked
Sarah Jane Morris. I don't like this plot line for her, right,
m hm, yeah, just annoying, annoying and unnecessary. Yeah, the
whole thing is unfortunate. Oh, well sure so and Sarah, I can't
even remember if anything happened yea with one of her kids who was not happy
with her and happier I guess at the other house. So oh well,
yeah, I think she just got one walk in and walk out, or
maybe she didn't even walk out, just like one scene. She needed she
needed a vacation day, I guess. So yeah, they're all probably just
as glad if nothing bad happens to my character this week. Great, great
under the radar, right exactly. Well, so there you go, Um,
what is coming up? We will stick with one episode of each uster
episode of ted Lasso feels like too yes, then the next ted Lasso episode
nine is called La Locker Room Oh full, so that's labored um, and
then Brothers and Sisters episode four is called States of the Union. So yeah,
not a lot of happy unions on the show. The unions are in
quite a state at the moment, all in a state, so yikes,
but we'll find out. And that's going to be it for our round two
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