WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:11.839 This is Pod Populi podcast for the people the Great Love Debate. It's the 2 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:18.160 Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate. It's the Great Love Toba. 3 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:23.519 Hi again, everyone's Brian Howie. Welcome to The Great Love Debate, the 4 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:28.600 world's number one dating and relationship podcasts since twenty and fifteen. I am outside 5 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:34.520 here in a fairly nondescript part of Florida, and there's a lot of critters 6 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.200 crawling around. You know, in the Everglades, they have so many giant 7 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.880 pythons. Now that the pythons have eaten all the deer, which is really 8 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:47.039 bad, and they've eaten all the alligators, which is probably worse or at 9 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:53.479 least scarier, because the pythons have no natural predator, which means they are 10 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:59.960 coming for you, Sarah Soda. Anyway, on that note, a quick 11 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.039 no poor we get into it because it's it's semi related to this episode. 12 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.480 The next episode we are doing it is the Breakup Diaries. It is the 13 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:11.280 best of the breakups, your breakups. So not that we want to necessarily 14 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.280 get into the the sad or the macabre, but we are doing a listener 15 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:23.159 letters devoted entirely to the how, when, why, where, you broke 16 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.680 up, So whether you were the breaker upper or you were the breaker up 17 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:32.599 e. And this means a significant relationship, not someone you had like nachos 18 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.200 with three times. So it's got to be a real relationship. This was 19 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:38.239 my boyfriend, this was my husband. Okay, So you're like, why 20 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.719 are we doing an episode like that? And my answer is, I think 21 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.519 we can learn. And if you're sending one of these in, I think 22 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:51.400 you hopefully are pasted it and hope you can in fact learn from it and 23 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.200 maybe laugh at it. And in learning and the healing and the sharing, 24 00:01:53.840 --> 00:02:00.799 we'll bring everyone a bit more I don't know forward, because there's this collective 25 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:06.719 sense of solace in the misery and the camaraderie in the commonality. So we 26 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.280 all went through this and we all will get through this together. So send 27 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:14.240 those in and we will deal the deck. Send them in Great Love Debate 28 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.280 at gmail dot com. This isn't a loser's lament. It will be more 29 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:23.280 like a survivor's sequel. Okay, on to the next. So why do 30 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:29.360 I bring this stuff up? As I have said many many times on this 31 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:36.319 podcast that I believe I do not offer advice, but I do offer opinion, 32 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.759 and my opinion is not just rooted in my personal experience, but in 33 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.960 the collective experiences of the millions of people who have listened to this show over 34 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.000 eight years or so, and the tens of thousands who have come to one 35 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.520 of our live shows. We listen and we learn and we share. So 36 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.000 you can call it advice if you want, and you can do whatever you 37 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.479 want with this information. At the end of the day, it's for entertainment 38 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:06.840 purposes only. We're not writing out any prescriptions here. But when I do 39 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:12.000 these episodes solo, and I'm more and more frequently doing my podcast solo, 40 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.919 I think I really need to be inspired by a guest to have them sit 41 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.680 down at one of these chairs. You know, I don't want just any 42 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.639 person there. So when I when I do an episode solo, I'm speaking 43 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:30.560 to you from a place of at the very least passion. You know. 44 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.000 I like to get into stuff because I care about this stuff. And if 45 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.919 you care about this stuff, you are listening. And you can call it 46 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.319 advice or you can call it opinion or just a really strong statement and whatever 47 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:51.199 you want. But here we go. So I lead a very minimalist lifestyle. 48 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:57.400 I initially got my inspiration from our friend James Altitcher, who some of 49 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.400 you probably know who he is. He's been on this podcast, she spent 50 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.719 our stage a bunch, he's a writer, he's a renaissance man, etc. 51 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.479 Etc. And he's suddenly, at forty eight years old, decided to 52 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:13.439 throw out or sell everything, and he was left with pretty much one suitcase 53 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:20.079 and one backpack. And he found the exercise of doing that and the reality 54 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:29.600 of the result of that so liberating and such a sense of clarity just by 55 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:35.120 being uncluttered by a bunch of stuff, and he became more productive, and 56 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:43.399 he felt things and experiences and people a lot more deeply. And I'm just 57 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.160 like that. Minimalism doesn't require you to have nothing, doesn't mean I have 58 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:50.839 nothing. It means you have as little as you require. And that could 59 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.879 mean something different to you than it does to me. It might mean something 60 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.879 to James as it does to me. I require very little. You guys 61 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.800 heard me do an episode a whole a few months ago where I laid out 62 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:08.720 I only really need to hear five things from my partner, just cut through 63 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:13.399 all the rest those five things. That's all I need, and the rest 64 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:17.360 is just a bonus. So, like James, one of the things I 65 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:26.319 need is my laptop, and of what I care about are words I've written 66 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:33.600 or things I've recorded, or feelings I've felt, or relationships I've formed or 67 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:38.480 something I've created, and a lot of those things live on the laptop. 68 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.480 And I'm not even sure if I need the laptops, and those things are 69 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.600 probably on the cloud, and if you hack me you have access to any 70 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.560 of them anyway, But the laptop also gives me access to those things, 71 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.720 so it's a means to an end. It's a portal into something. But 72 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:57.160 for some reason, even in twenty twenty three, even with the cloud, 73 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:03.720 the laptop slows down and the things clog up, and you have to every 74 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:10.519 once in a while clear the catch to get it to run smoothly aha metaphor. 75 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.199 But when you do that with your computer, it's such an oddly frightening 76 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.959 proposition, because you're terrified that the wrong thing will disappear. You'll lose a 77 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.560 file or a browser history, or a password or a page or something you 78 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.720 might need. And every time we do this, or at least every time 79 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:33.439 I do this, it's such a tortuous and stressful set of decisions. It's 80 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:38.399 so fraught with peril, even more so than the pythons and the ever clades. 81 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:44.279 I am terribly stressed out to let that stuff go. But when you 82 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.920 do it, everything runs smoother and you're like, Oh, that wasn't so 83 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:50.759 bad at all. I guess I didn't need that stuff. I don't even 84 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:56.680 know what disappeared. It seems fine. So what does all this amateur tech 85 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.000 talk have to do with love? Dating, relationships? Everything? And I'm 86 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.519 going to tease you with that, and we will dive into all of this 87 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:15.759 and more right after this, and we are back and we're talking about clearing 88 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.959 the catch, and we're talking about it in terms of relationships. So think 89 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:24.759 about how many relationships you have had, and, going back to our definition 90 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:29.319 at the beginning, something more substantial than three plates of nachos. I'm talking 91 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.959 about people you dated, people who have been your boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, 92 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.160 wife, partners some sort for at least I don't know, one hundred 93 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:45.199 days. And I think all of those people and experiences and relationships those shape 94 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:51.759 a ton of our dating data moving forward, whether it's the pain of it 95 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:59.480 or the asshole part of it. Crazy bitches, the narcissist at center. 96 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.279 We care them around in our cookies, and they really clog up and skew 97 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.560 our vision of our opportunities and possibilities, whether that's not getting into a situation 98 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:13.800 that has potential or not sticking with the relationship that might work out. You're 99 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.959 still mad at him or her or that time or that thing or those words, 100 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.240 and you carry them around, and everything from those things you carry around 101 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.199 turns out to be a trigger that could set something going in the wrong direction. 102 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.200 And I can't say that you can just delete those with two clicks of 103 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:35.399 a mouse, but you do have to do the work to get past them. 104 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:41.559 You have to clear them out. And we have done whole episodes of 105 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:48.159 this podcast on this nebulous concept of closure and how I believe it doesn't really 106 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.200 exist because when you're seeking closure, you're never going to get the answer you 107 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.519 want in the way that you want it, or the satisfaction that you seek, 108 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.000 or the revenge that you desire. It. Life doesn't come wrapped in 109 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.960 an eat little bowl like that. So how do you balance learning from the 110 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:13.000 past, nodding at it, acknowledging it, accepting that it's real, and 111 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:18.919 then letting it go so you can look to the future. So I got 112 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.960 my own set of issues and baggage and ship to work through. Clearly, 113 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.399 you guys know that if you're listening to four hundred so episodes of this, 114 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.480 very well documented on this podcast. But all of my stuff, I believe 115 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:41.720 stems from a lot of childhood issues. Actually, and fortunately, if I've 116 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.600 had, say, I don't know twenty five thirty girlfriends in my life, 117 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:48.080 give or take a dozen, and that really sucks that I'm like, give 118 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.080 or take a dozen, I should I should know a little bit closer than 119 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.799 that. I can honestly say that I don't have anything but good feelings about 120 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:01.279 any of them. None. I think they all are or were great. 121 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.039 And part of that is probably my stubbornness to admit that I may have been 122 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.159 wrong about their awesomeness, or that I had bad taste, or that I 123 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:16.039 made a bad choice. But part of that is a choice that I made 124 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.399 that was, you know, fairly actually prescient. It was like, yeah, 125 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.159 I see the good in them, and I still see the good in 126 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:28.679 them. Part of that, in a bad way, is that I think 127 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:35.879 I was never deeply emotionally involved enough unfortunately where I would have feelings of anger 128 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:43.399 and resentment. Part of his luck. I think I dodged the true total 129 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.399 psycho bullet, But I think most of it is mindset, because I don't 130 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:56.919 see the point of harboring, you know, anything bad about somebody who went 131 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.159 out with that was then, this is now, and you're probably like, 132 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.159 well, you harbor resentment towards your family members who may have let you down 133 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:11.000 in emotional and loving situations, for sure, absolutely, and maybe that's it. 134 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:16.759 Maybe because I couldn't past that, I couldn't get anywhere truly substantial with 135 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.279 any of these thirty give or take a dozen girlfriends because I failed to clear 136 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:30.240 that catch before I got into the relationships, which definitely wasn't fair to them, 137 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.120 and it isn't fair to you if you're operating the same way. This 138 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:41.799 leads to this, leads to that, or doesn't lead to that, means 139 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.200 you get nowhere productive. So when I self analyze, it's easy for me 140 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.120 to let go of the stuff that didn't truly matter and be an emotional minimalist 141 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:58.279 on the surface, but still have those giant files and elaborate browsing history going 142 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.399 way way back that you need to deal with and delete if you want to 143 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:11.559 move forward in any meaningful fashion, because so many of our relationships and so 144 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.240 much of our pain and our issues are derived from what we are bringing forward. 145 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.639 And unfortunately, almost all of what we bring forward is bad, the 146 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:30.679 bad baggage, not the Louis Vuitton luggage. Because if all you're getting out 147 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.000 of these past relationships was good stuff, you'd probably still be in those relationships. 148 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.240 You're not leaving a good relationship most of the time. So if you're 149 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.519 focused on the good, you're probably like, you know what, we can 150 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.360 work through the bad and we'll stick with the good, and you'd still be 151 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:50.799 with them. So we've probably said on this podcast once upon a time or 152 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.600 twice upon a time that every relationship should be a learning experience and provide wisdom 153 00:12:54.679 --> 00:13:01.320 and experience and positivity to bring forward with you. Blah blah blah, And 154 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:03.360 I say blah blah blah. But do we mean that we do? I 155 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:11.320 do? But is that easier said than done. Absolutely, So we carry 156 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:18.960 this big bushel of blinders and barriers and red flags and sensitive guts I feel 157 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.919 in my gut, and all the stuff that probably should just be cleared out, 158 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:31.360 start fresh, brand new browser, bringing the firefox. And so you're 159 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.320 like, how do how do we do that? I'm getting somewhere with all 160 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.919 this, I promise therapy. Sure, yes, time, yes, all 161 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.639 of it. But the wisest person who ever came through this podcast, Planet 162 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:52.120 of Ours was na Is I Guess, our long time producer, the two 163 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:58.919 time Emmy Award winning Kekuf. She's very zen woman, she's very calm, 164 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:09.159 she's very stupid. She has lots of Eastern sensibility, and she is absolutely 165 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:16.480 convinced of the healing power of gratitude. And back when when I first met 166 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.919 her, I found out that she starts every single day with this this ritual, 167 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.320 this ritual of things. It's sort of between a a prayer and an 168 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:30.480 inventory of the good in her life. And so she likes birds and she 169 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.039 would say thank you for the birds, and she might even say thank you 170 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.840 to the birds. I don't know same thing about sunshine. She was grateful 171 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.639 for sunshine and so on, not things that she owned, not cars, 172 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:48.919 not houses, gratitude for things in her world. I went for she first 173 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:54.240 described it. I thought it was a little nutty, seemed like talking to 174 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.919 yourself. But I'm always curious, so I dove into the people who practice 175 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:05.480 gratitude the way I dove at one point into the people who practice stoicism. 176 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.799 I'm like, hah, stoicism. I want, I want to see what 177 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.919 that is. But stoicism requires too much listening to others instead of yourself. 178 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.240 So obviously that wasn't the one for me. But this gratitude thing, I 179 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.840 didn't really understand it between sort of the surface of saying thank you. But 180 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.000 as I dove into it, gratitude as a core essence, it can clear 181 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:33.440 the catch, it can delete the bad and let the good flow through everything 182 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.279 more than anything else. So I have you know, like most people, 183 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:45.279 I have a deep desire to be appreciated, and I think as appreciation flows 184 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.279 into you, it can also flow out of you, and vice versa. 185 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.080 And this might all sound a bit woo woo for me, but you have 186 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.120 to think about it practically and the positive effects of it. I hear some 187 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:02.600 birds right now. Being appreciative and understanding and grateful of what surrounds you in 188 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:07.240 the present goes a long way to blurring and distancing from the noise of the 189 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:15.759 past, and all of it opens up these areas for imagination and understanding because 190 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.840 you are focused on the now, not what they did then, what you 191 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:25.399 are doing now. I am grateful for this, which can lead to that. 192 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:33.039 It's much better than if I'm angry about that, which gets in the 193 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.559 way of this now, today, tomorrow. And as I dove deeper into 194 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.799 it, I found that the most grateful people in the world tend to be 195 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:47.039 the happiest and the most resentful people. The people who are hanging onto that 196 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:53.720 stuff, they're not so gratitude By definition, if you look it up, 197 00:16:53.759 --> 00:17:02.679 it means a readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness, and that 198 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:07.680 is probably the best mindset to get into a relationship or to stay in one. 199 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.240 Even go on a first date. You're ready to show appreciation and return 200 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.799 kindness. That's probably gonna go a long way to get in a second date. 201 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:23.839 It influences mood, it influences action, it influences possibilities, and it 202 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:29.440 influences happiness. And happiness is where love is most likely to be incubated. 203 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.559 And that might sound a little creepy pickup line, baby, would you like 204 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.559 to come incubate some love with me? Probably creepy, but you know what 205 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:45.079 I mean. But I learned that Gratitude is infectious. It's contagious, just 206 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.599 as negativity is. You can definitely spread negative energy. So when you clean 207 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.680 out the catch, going back to that, I think you're eliminating things you 208 00:17:52.680 --> 00:18:00.720 don't need anymore. You're a Microsoft minimalist, if you will. And what 209 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.400 you're left with is what is important, what matters, what is now, 210 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:12.960 what is present, and what brings you into tomorrow. So I can't tell 211 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.039 you to go to a hypnotist to forget about all the jerks and the assholes 212 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:22.240 and the incidents and the narcissists and the crazies and whatever you want to call 213 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.720 them, the liars and the cheaters and the dickheads. And I can't even 214 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.759 really tell you to go to a therapist, although you should. I'm telling 215 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:36.000 you that you should just focus on the good of right now. What you 216 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.599 have, not what you want or don't have or missed out on, or 217 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:47.359 was denied to you or denied from you. What do you have that you 218 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:52.480 are grateful for? That's what you remain in the Catch this podcast, in 219 00:18:52.519 --> 00:19:04.000 the Catch, the possibilities on the dating apps this upcoming weekend tomorrow tonight, 220 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.960 none of those things should be influenced or impacted by any of that stuff in 221 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:15.920 your catch, clear the browsing history of all the nose and the nonstarters that 222 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.559 are in there. The cookies, I don't know, Go eat some good 223 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.039 ones, be grateful for those. Because it's all about mindset. I think 224 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.519 you can call that opinion, you can call that advice, or you can 225 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:32.319 just label that is something that will probably benefit all of us. So next 226 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:37.319 week we will exercise the x's and throw all the breakups in the bin, 227 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.720 and we will collectively clear our catch. That is a very alliterative setup to 228 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.400 what we're doing here. So send those along Great Load Debate at gmail dot 229 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.759 com. They can be good, bad, funny, strange, sad, 230 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.319 but most of all, they are meant to be liberating. That is the 231 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.920 point of this today, That is the point of next week and every week 232 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:57.039 after that onward and upward. Please like, share, follow, and review 233 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:02.240 this podcast. Your reviews mean a lot still after eight years in the podcasting 234 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.319 ecosystem. Go to our website, Great Love Debate dot com. Check out 235 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.079 our live tour schedule. There will be some on there by the time you 236 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.279 listen to this episode, So do that. 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