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Grant Hughes, we're diving in to 24 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,879 a trade deadline primer, how are you feeling well? As is not the 25 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:56,719 case for what we're about to get into. I'm unprepared to give you a 26 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:00,079 quippy lead because I felt really good about my Jorge and Pool thing last time 27 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,519 we talked, But yeah, I just don't have it today. So but 28 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,400 that's testament to how much prep and work we've been putting in. There's just 29 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:08,000 there just was no time for that for that kind of nonsense. This is 30 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:13,240 gonna be a real detail oriented excursion into the trade deadline. With all that 31 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,080 said, let's start with the Pacific Division and we're gonna change things up, 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,240 so we'll alternate on who leads us through it, but we're gonna go in 33 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,439 order of decreasing winning percentage, which I don't know who saw this coming. 34 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,360 Who's you're starting is off in the Pacific Division and that's with who. Yeah, 35 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,360 it's a Sacramento Kings. Can we just pause for a second and appreciate 36 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:36,400 that, like that's it's it's amazing. Unless you picked their under which I 37 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:39,199 suspect we probably both did, we're gonna have to match the over on them. 38 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,879 What was it like thirty three? It was like thirty three or thirty 39 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:46,759 five, and I thought that was went over. I can go check really 40 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,479 quick while you're vamping, and I'll like, you know, you know, 41 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:53,439 there'll be a whole pod. Don't waste the content. Dam we'll do that 42 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:57,560 later, all right. So, uh, the idea here is we're gonna 43 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,360 kind of look at, you know, what's the big question or what's the 44 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:04,199 overarching idea for each of these teams. And to me, the Kings look 45 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,199 there, they're in playoff position, they're you know, up towards the top 46 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,039 of the West. They're right there with anybody not named Memphis in Denver. 47 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,400 So it's obviously a win now by situation however you going frame it. But 48 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:19,000 to me, it's just how do we how can they get the defense to 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,479 improve, because you know, this is what we thought this team would be 50 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,960 in a best case scenario is where the offense is phenomenal, you know, 51 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,199 top three, top five for almost this entire year, and the defense is 52 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,840 basically the inverse of that. And so you know they're not going to be 53 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:38,759 able to match up against some of the teams that they're going to need to 54 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,759 beat or compete with in a playoff series if they just don't have enough wing 55 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,639 defense, particularly rim protection, all that stuff. So those are your targets, 56 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:50,759 those are the things they'd be looking for. I guess we're going to 57 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,120 try to keep this kind of loose, but just thinking about them now, 58 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,080 you know Sabonus is their interior defender. He's actually been better than you would 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,560 expect, and based on history at you know, deterring shots at the rim, 60 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:04,479 they still give up a ton at the rim. But they also don't 61 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,240 really have a big wing defender. Which of those two things do you think, 62 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,639 you know, all things being equal, what are you looking at as 63 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 the bigger need? Positionally, if we can see that it has to be 64 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,360 a defensive upgrade, I would go with the wing defender, just because are 65 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,199 you going to place the bonus with another rim protector? And if you're not, 66 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:26,720 you're not gonna. I don't care as much about the minutes. Whence 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,519 the bonus isn't on the court. Quite frankly, yeah, I agree, 68 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,000 I think too, Like we'll get into this a lot with other teams, 69 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:38,399 but if if your need is quote unquote like a change of pace at like 70 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,360 backup center, for example, I mean that's just in terms of the volume 71 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,240 and in terms of like the impact of that player's contributions. You're talking just 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,439 like a few minutes you know, every night. It's just not it's just 73 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,360 not that big a deal. Whereas a wing, you know, a rotation 74 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:55,800 guy or a starter even just gonna be on the floor and every minute that 75 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,480 matters, right, If you're a playoff bound team like the Kings, then 76 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,680 that's what you're focused on. So so i'd agree there. I think if 77 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,720 you're looking at what they have to get something done, you know, so 78 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:10,639 they owe this twenty four first rounder to Atlanta from the Kevin Herder deal. 79 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:14,120 I don't need to laugh at because that trade worked out well for them. 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,800 But these like pick protections that teams are doing right now, I don't know 81 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:19,560 why. I think it's probably smart of the teams that are acquiring them to 82 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,879 have them protected until the end of time. But I was going when I 83 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:27,079 was when we were putting together these sheets for this podcast, and I'll do 84 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,839 a better job when we do the other divisions of talking about the criteria. 85 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,839 And if you're watching on YouTube, you do have what Grant and I are 86 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,560 using. It's just like we're not going through all of it. Grant kind 87 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,639 of said that this is going to be more of a loose discussion. I 88 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,519 will have a trade idea, or we will have a trade idea for every 89 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:44,920 team. That is, if I'm the team making the call, like I'm 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,199 the Kings and I'm gonna be calling and offering this trade. So but you 91 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:51,079 can look on YouTube and you could see all their salaries pick commitments if you're 92 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:54,959 into that sort of thing. I apologize not mentioning it at the top and 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,680 for interjecting Grant here, but I'm just when we were going through and building 94 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,800 this commitments. Well, I'm not even talking about the teams that I've given 95 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,199 up a multiple first time picks, but it's just like Detroit have it, 96 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,519 or Portland having the lottery protected pick to stay in the Western Conference just through 97 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,319 two twenty eight. It's just it's so limiting in what they can do now. 98 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:17,319 So I apologize, but that's sort of where the Kings are at right 99 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:21,120 now. It is, And like there are situations, Portland I think being 100 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,360 one of them, where it's like, well, job number one and your 101 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,439 or you know, item one on your trade deadline priority list is, let's 102 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:33,040 see if I can swing a deal to like adjust the protections on this pick 103 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,079 so we can actually move another one or you know, which is just kind 104 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,920 of an I can't remember the Heat did it last year, but before that, 105 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,240 I really can't remember a significant example of where a team had to do 106 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,079 that. And now there's several situations where because of all these like you know, 107 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:54,079 carryover protections and encumbrances that just don't go away necessarily and it just ruins 108 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:58,319 it compromises your whole draft for for years on end. So the Kings have 109 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:02,199 those pick issues. If you're looking on YouTube, they so this twenty four. 110 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:06,079 First it's lottery protected, and then top twelve and then top ten, 111 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,639 and it turns into seconds in twenty six and twenty seven. If not conveyed, 112 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:13,160 that just kind of ties them up. Fortunately, the Kings do have 113 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,480 some expiring slash unwanted salaries they can move. I know you've listed here as 114 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Rashaun Holmes is the most likely player to be traded. What a turnaround, 115 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,920 by the way, because I'm sure that we both liked his contract when he 116 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,199 signed it. I called it. I said his agent should get fired because 117 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,920 I thought it deal right, Yeah, good, good for the king. 118 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,920 From the King's perspective, it seemed like a bargain. But there was some 119 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,480 off court stuff last year, and it's just you know, they have some 120 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,759 bonus now and he's just at best a second guy and has not really even 121 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,680 been the backup center for most of this year, So you can throw him 122 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,839 in there. You can throw Terrence Davis in there. Harrison Barnes is someone 123 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,079 we've talked about in previous deadlines, but he's got eighteen plus million expiring, 124 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,160 but that I can't imagine he's going anywhere because right now he's probably the closest 125 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,199 thing they have to like a three D combo forward. Keegan Murray can shoot 126 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,959 it, but you know you're probably not trading him even if you are in 127 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,720 a win now situation. So there's ways to get salary. There's ways if 128 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,000 you're creative enough to get pick equity, but I mean target wise, like 129 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:16,600 I just you know they're gonna be after the same list of like three to 130 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:22,600 five guys will go through for every Wings forward starved team, So you're Bogdanovitch 131 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,800 is your crowders, your Jailen McDaniels, like, like that kind of thing 132 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,600 makes the most sense for me. They'll just be a lot of competition for 133 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,360 those guys and anybody else even remotely similar. Yeah, and it's there because 134 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:43,360 of the pick that we're talking about in twenty twenty four going to Atlanta, 135 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,679 and it's protected. There's in comparison, isn't so long as others. It's 136 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,159 only protected through two thousand and twenty six. But like that means you can't 137 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:54,000 guarantee a first until twenty twenty eight, and as soon as you can give 138 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,440 up a first is two and twenty six, And so that takes you out 139 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,879 of the running of a lot of high profile guys you almost need the second 140 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,440 to work out? Would you agree that? Even though based off his contract, 141 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,240 I think a lot of people think it's bad now that Rashaun Holmes is 142 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,559 the most likely player to be dealt. I mean just because of the number 143 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,240 eleven point two this year, twelve point nine player option next year, which 144 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,559 he will a million percent pick up. Because his stock has dropped so far, 145 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,320 I just don't think he's going to get that back on if he were 146 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,480 to go into free agency this summer. I just can't imagine he would approach, 147 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,519 Like is he even a mid level guy. He's probably a taxpairmid level 148 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:33,480 guy maybe so, I guess so. I just there. They're good players 149 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,919 right now. You know the types of guys you would think about moving. 150 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:41,559 Barnes is one You're not You're not moving herder. Trey Lyles actually plays for 151 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,759 them, and he'sn't expiring it like two good too, right and two and 152 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:48,879 a half million bucks. That's just not going to get you what you need. 153 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,679 Davion Mitchell. Maybe I don't know what the value of like a one 154 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,879 position defense for slash defense only point guard is, but rookie scale deal you 155 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:01,720 could see someone be interested in him, but he plays two, so you 156 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:03,919 know, it's it's not like they have other than Holmes. It's not like 157 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,240 they have significant salary just kind of sitting there to move because Alex Lynn is 158 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,799 in that group too, But what does he make, like just under four 159 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,039 I think, so that's that's tough to get there. So it's got to 160 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,919 be Homes probably. I don't know who else would be. Yeah, And 161 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,039 also if we're talking about them needing defense, you go Terrence Davis maybe expiring. 162 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,120 If we're talking about them needing defense, you can't really give up davy 163 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:30,000 On Mitchell. So the trade that I came up with for them, and 164 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,320 will scroll down here for people want to see it on the screen, I 165 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,720 have the Kings receive Jay Crowder and the Suns receive Rashawn Holmes a twenty twenty 166 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:43,679 four second round pick and Portland's twenty twenty five second round pick and cash to 167 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,879 offset because they are taking out on money and that would increase their tax bill, 168 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,879 and the Kings have I think all their cash left so they could offset 169 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:54,399 that. So you get Sacramentals twenty twenty four second, Portland's twenty twenty five 170 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,639 second, and you off set the tax difference for Rashaun Holmes. I mean, 171 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,840 I love that from the King's perspective. If I'm if I'm the Sons 172 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,480 and we'll get to them eventually here, I think I think I'm gonna at 173 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,360 least try to get even if it's like a fake first rounder. I think 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,360 I want a first rounder somehow for Crowder, and that might just be totally 175 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,519 unrealistic. But yeah, if I'm the if I'm the Kings, I'm take 176 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,960 my money. I'm doing this immediately. The other thing I'd kind of thought 177 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,240 of with them was like, could you get if you're gonna help Philly duct 178 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,879 the Tacks, would you take on cork Mas, get Matis Cybal and then 179 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:33,559 you send out Terrence Davis is expiring, And would you be willing to give 180 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:37,919 up met To in that deal? Or even like, would the Sixers take 181 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,840 anybody in that scenario? I think, like, you know, would they 182 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,440 take back because you need them the duct attacks. You don't want to give 183 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,480 up Trey Lyles. You could give up PJ. Doger, you could give 184 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,919 up Matthew Delavadova. I don't think they'd want to give up kasy Akpola, 185 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,759 But would you do something like that? To get Matis Cybele, whereas you're 186 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,480 taking on some money this year, but you have just a ton of room 187 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,639 under the tax and so like, let's let's just say it's yeah, unless 188 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,600 you think that you know, met Too is someone who has played for them, 189 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,000 but he's averaging under ten minutes of game in the month of January. 190 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 So would you do met To and Terrence Davis just to get Matis Sybell? 191 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,000 And then it's I mean, like the Kings like shooting and in theory, 192 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,360 that's what cork Mos could provide. Yeah, And I think I think the 193 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,360 upside or the situational viability of someone like Tybell, even though his stock is 194 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,879 down certainly from you know, a couple of years ago, when it seemed 195 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:26,799 like he was like a he was going to be a perfect role player if 196 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:30,480 he could, you know, shoot league average from three on decent volume. 197 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:33,639 I would probably go for that if I were the Kings, just because like 198 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:39,639 Davis actually has some value, but I think it's a little bit he's a 199 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:45,200 little superfluous with like you have Monk to run second units and be kind of 200 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,720 the spark plug guy. He's a different player, you know. Davis is 201 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,360 the type that he's sort of Josh hardy and like his board crashing and that 202 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,320 kind of thing, although he's smaller. But I think Tyble for sure would 203 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,679 possibly if if if it all worked out, would bring something that this this 204 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,000 roster absolutely doesn't have, which is a guy that just you know, causes 205 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:11,240 havoc is deflections, blocks, steals, and then you're triggering if that goes 206 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,000 well, you're triggering a transition attack that's already really really dangerous. So that, 207 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,480 like the fit there, makes a ton of sense. You like that 208 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,600 deal better than the Crowder one for them? Or do you like the Crowder 209 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,840 one better? I mean I think I probably, I probably, Well that's 210 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,000 a good question. I think I like the second one better now that I 211 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,519 have to think about them and you know, compared to one another, just 212 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:37,240 because Crowder, Like how much different is Crowder than Harrison Barnes. Really, 213 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:43,080 I think Tibo can do like point of attack stuff or like more truer wings 214 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,159 or Crowder is like sort of a bigger, burlier defender, right and maybe 215 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:52,159 at the stage of his career where he's just he's not that much, he's 216 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,679 not that great of a defender to where he's not he's even helping you if 217 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,879 he's not making like thirty eight percent of his threes, which you know that's 218 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,159 gone up and down too. And you can play table with Barnes and Kei 219 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,519 and Murray, you can't really do the same with Crowder. I will say 220 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,000 you could play Crowder with Davion Mitchell. You can't play Table and Mitchell together. 221 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,480 I wouldn't think, no, that would not. I don't know where 222 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,879 you're getting your shooting in your offense from there. I guess if you well, 223 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,159 if you have Fox and Sabonus, you could make a lot of things 224 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,720 work. But where that be congested around those two if you didn't, that's 225 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:22,759 that's what works with the Kings as they put shooters around those two guys, 226 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:26,759 and just you know, the offense homes if you don't have if you have 227 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:28,440 two guys out there that aren't going to really be honored, you know, 228 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:33,120 off the ball, that makes it tough. Let's get to the Los Angeles 229 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:39,279 Clippers here, and so they're inherently just and look, they're within striking distance 230 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:45,840 of getting to the forward seat in the the Western Conference at this point, 231 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,480 and they are inherently buyers. And we can go through like kind of figuring 232 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:56,559 out who's their most likely player to be traded gets like a little bit difficult. 233 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:03,360 But my biggest question for them kind of looking into the trade deadline is 234 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,240 are they going to include a first round pick to get better? They can 235 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,080 trade twenty twenty eight or twenty twenty nine, And if they don't trade at 236 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,919 first, what's the best they could do. They don't have like any I 237 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,559 guess really they don't have any notable inbound other picks like second rounders anymore. 238 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,519 You have the nine point seven million dollars trade exception, and so are you 239 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,480 willing to just use that on the you know, in the trade idea that 240 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:31,240 I didn't propose because I feel like it's just the obvious one would be, 241 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:37,200 can you throw the Knicks a second and then they just put Isaiah Hartenstein into 242 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,159 your traded player exception? And if you're are they trying to do you a 243 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,679 solid, like if you're willing to send them back an expiring contract, you 244 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:48,080 could work it that way, just because Hartensign does have time left on his 245 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:50,879 deal and Nicks do not use him properly quite frankly, like he's not a 246 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,840 rim runner, and that's what they've decided that they're going to use him, 247 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,399 Like, so there's that type of a deal, or you want to take 248 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,639 on that type of money if you're not sending out a player who's making like 249 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,120 like real money at that point, it's different if you're sending back like, 250 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,399 oh, yeah, the Knicks will take Reggie Jackson in that scenario, or 251 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,120 even a John Wall. But if they're not, that is a pretty big 252 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,320 tax commitment. I would default towards Steve Bomber not really given a shit. 253 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,480 But so that's really just what I'm looking at. And then what are they 254 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,039 going to prioritize if they are making the upgrade? Is it going to be 255 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:25,080 I think they could probably use some wing diversification at this point, which feels 256 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,440 really weird to say. With Kawhi Leonard and Paul George there, Terrence Man 257 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,679 maybe hopes that helps that a little bit. I do think people have said 258 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,200 that the need for a floor general or point guard is overrated. I really 259 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,519 don't think it is. If you're saying it needs to be like a cap 260 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,559 slock point guard or conventional point guard, and I'm not a fan of that 261 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,200 phrasing. I just feel like they need more of a floor general element that's 262 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,960 an easier fit to play off of their primary scores and playmakers in Kawai and 263 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:55,320 Paul George. And that's just not Reggie Jacksons played a little bit better lately, 264 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:59,000 but it's not John Wall that's clear. And then you have depth that 265 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:02,799 you need behind Zoobo. My whole thing is like, you're not giving up 266 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:06,039 if it meant getting Miles Turner, Okay, Like you're not going to give 267 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,920 up your best, your trade asset, that first round pick, or even 268 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,319 Terrence Man to get someone to play behind Zoobots. That just doesn't make any 269 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:15,680 sense to me. I saw a lot of like, oh, Terrence Man 270 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,200 for Naz Reid work straight up and if I'm the Timberwolves, yeah I do 271 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:21,920 that in a heartbeat, But I can't do that if I'm the Clippers. 272 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,599 Like there needs to be if it's part of like a Diangel Russell trade, 273 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,200 maybe you could look at something like that. So what do they prioritize more? 274 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,680 I think it's easier to get depth at the five because you could address 275 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,680 that on the buyout market. But I also think when we're looking at trade 276 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,559 specifically, it's probably more likely that you can take a big into that trade 277 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:42,759 exception, hold your first round pick and just think like, Okay, well 278 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:48,400 the crux of this core, if it's healthy enough, is going to contend 279 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,000 and be a threat in the playoffs. I will, however, say I'm 280 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,559 not necessarily confident in That's where I look at this roster and think they need 281 00:17:55,599 --> 00:17:59,160 to address two of what I just mentioned, where it's either diversify the wing 282 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:06,079 rotation, improve sort of the floor general or playmaking aspect independent of Kauai and 283 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,799 Paul George, or get big man depth. And I think that the big 284 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,160 man depth is probably like I would just address it because it's easier, and 285 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,039 it's probably more of a glaring void at this point than anything else, even 286 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:18,440 though I don't think it's the one that's holding them back the most. But 287 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:23,400 I think for them to actualize their top end outcome, they need to address 288 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:29,839 two of these needs. Yeah, I think I'm not sure. I'm with 289 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,119 you all the way on the need for a point guard, you know, 290 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:38,960 conventional or whatever whatever however you want to phrase it being overstated just because if 291 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,119 you look through the rest of the roster, it's like, well, what 292 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:45,799 what, what's the problem. Then you know, like like they've got a 293 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:51,599 million wings. They've got, you know, a conventional center in Zubots who's 294 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,119 good at his job but has all of the limitations that come with his player 295 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,039 type, and they have small ball five options. So I just almost by 296 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,920 default, like I agree, I don't think it. You don't need like 297 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,319 two thousand and eight Chris Paul or whatever like to make this work. I 298 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,799 mean the bar is low because John Wall started hot and then was really terrible, 299 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,960 just like not getting guarded. Reggie Jackson's been really bad. So like, 300 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,279 you know, it doesn't even like what if it's I doubt that. 301 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,720 It doesn't sound like the Pistons are going to trade him. But one of 302 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,240 the people I thought of was Alec Burke's, like he's not even a point 303 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,839 guard, but he is someone that is asked to create a lot. He's 304 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,200 asked to sort of function in that role, and he's you know, certainly 305 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,079 not on the level of, oh my god, this guy's gonna run our 306 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,559 offense for thirty six minutes a night and it's gonna be great. But you 307 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:44,559 know, that type of player maybe is like your lower end fix. There 308 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,799 are other expensive, more expensive or or you know, more conventional. Again 309 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,200 with that word options we'll get to, I think, but I still just 310 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,160 focus on that point guard spot, even if it may be the case that 311 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:02,119 like whoever they get just actually close games and the playoffs, because you're just 312 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,400 gonna go with George and Kawhi and then two other wings or slash forwards and 313 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,319 like it's Kennard or it's Terrence Mann or whatever technically playing point guard. I 314 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,400 think. I think it's they're a tricky team because there is a need, 315 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,000 I think, But then like if is the guy they get to fill that 316 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:22,839 need gonna actually matter, you know, outside of as a depth piece. 317 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,000 You know, when we play real serious games that the Clippers anticipate being in. 318 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,240 So the trade idea I have for them is the Clippers get this would 319 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,279 address your need. Mike Conley and the Jazz get Robert Covington, Reggie Jackson 320 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:44,440 and a twenty twenty four a second round pick. I mean, I feel 321 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,079 like that's the first thing you bump on is the cost, because Conley's I 322 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:51,799 think fourteen million of his twenty four ish is guaranteed for next year, but 323 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,720 the Clippers don't care, So I mean a million more than Roco too. 324 00:20:55,839 --> 00:21:00,279 Yeah, basically it's fine. I think I keep saying this, and maybe 325 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,839 it's just gonna make me sound stupid in the aftermath. But if I'm the 326 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,400 Jazz, I really want I like the optics of getting a first of some 327 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,359 kind, and I just Conmley may not be worth that. But I think 328 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,200 I do this. I think this makes sense, right. I do think 329 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,799 Conley might have a few other suitors too that the Clippers might have to beat 330 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:19,960 offers for. But but yeah, this makes a lot of sense. And 331 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,119 from the Jazz's perspective, like, you know, I don't know how much 332 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,039 they care about the pick or Jackson, but Covington in theory, is someone 333 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:30,599 that has had his value like go way up and down, which is weird 334 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,759 for his role, and maybe he's someone that they flip again or just you 335 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,039 know, take the text the capitalief or whatever. I think that makes a 336 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:41,359 lot of sense. Yeah, I mean that's I don't really have it. 337 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,160 Do you expect them, I guess just to wrap up on them. If 338 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,559 you had to predict, are they going to trade a first round pick at 339 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:55,160 the deadline twenty eight or twenty nine? I would say no. But I 340 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,559 do think it's fairly likely that someone like like Morris or you know, even 341 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,160 between or like even Coffee or Boston, like those kind of guys might be 342 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,039 on the move. I don't think they're gonna trade a pick just because I'm 343 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:11,599 not sure that they see a piece out there that warrants it. Although I 344 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,440 just said maybe Conley should be worth a first but yeah, I don't think 345 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,720 so. It doesn't feel like it's to me, what do you see that 346 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:21,000 happening. No, I don't think they're going to just because if the market 347 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,000 was different, or maybe, like I said, if if the Hawks decide 348 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,359 like they're gonna make Bogda Magdanovich available and you can get Jail and Johnson as 349 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,519 part of that deal, or maybe even on Yeka Kungu. I just don't 350 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,240 see the Hawks are playing better, so that sort of feels out of the 351 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:34,279 question. I think that I don't want to say the ceiling, but like 352 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,920 I don't know if you would do the trade that I mentioned before, but 353 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,680 like if you're the Knicks just to sort of get out of I don't think 354 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Hartenstein's deal is terrible, but like he's on the books for next year. 355 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:47,519 If you could send Hartenstein and their their TPE and you get back, I 356 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:49,720 mean maybe would they even give you a mere coffee at this point even and 357 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,680 just like, would you do something like that get a you know, a 358 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,720 twenty twenty four second round pick, Friza Hartenstein basically would you? I think 359 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,880 I would do that for both sides. I'm not sure if the Clippers would 360 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,799 like to get rid of a player in that instance, and my guests would 361 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:04,920 even though he's had none even a year. Wouldn't be coffee they want to 362 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,960 get rid of. But like John Wall, team options like you could just 363 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,720 take him on and he comes off the books or whatever, but that would 364 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,079 be I think that's the type of move they make. I just didn't want 365 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,400 to propose it because it held obvious. Yeah no, I mean yeah, 366 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,759 I think I think they had. Isn't the feeling that the Clippers will do 367 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:26,000 do something because they're so all in that they never like, there's no there's 368 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,200 no scenario where they just say we're good with this, because it's that's just 369 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:33,680 never true for them. Yeah. All right. So I've got the Warriors 370 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:40,279 next, and so I feel like they've been so discussed that there's really not 371 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:45,039 a lot of mystery here. I mean, everything is related to the two 372 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,440 timelines and the two sort of different crops of players. They have the veterans 373 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,440 and the young guys, and so you could you could kind of frame it 374 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:55,200 however you want. But the Warriors, like a million other teams in the 375 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,920 West, are like a couple of games from the bottom of the plan and 376 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,559 then a couple of games from being fourth in the conference. It's just a 377 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:04,880 hot week here there, and they could be there. They've been super inconsistent. 378 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,200 So someone who has not contributed at all as James Wiseman, and so 379 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,559 I think the real question for them is it is it worth it? It's 380 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,559 not is it time, because I think it's it's probably time, But is 381 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:19,240 it worth it to trade James Wiseman now? And so the factors you have 382 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:25,599 to consider are where are we relative to what his lowest value versus highest value 383 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,440 is going to be? How much does that matter in the calculus of this 384 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,839 season, because it may be the case that what you get for him now 385 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,720 isn't going to help. And so now you've just traded this guy with a 386 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:45,839 whatever tiny percent chance of becoming an All Star years from now for what was 387 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,759 ultimately not enough help. Right Like that would suck, That would be a 388 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,720 bad look you also have this issue of like, do we just hold on 389 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:57,039 to him because his value theoretically can't get much lower than this, And we 390 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,960 do think this is speaking as the Warriors, We do think, you know, 391 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,000 there's a great chance that three four years from now he is a really 392 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,640 good starting center. The problem is that doesn't matter at all now because who 393 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,319 knows what this team will look like a few years from now, It probably 394 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,319 won't be competing for titles. So the reason Wiseman's the focal point is because 395 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:21,400 they just don't have anybody else that they would realistically trade that has a big 396 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,160 enough salary number to get somebody back. Whoill matter. Wiseman's at nine point 397 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,079 six million this year, Moses Moody's at three point seven. You're just not 398 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:37,359 going to trade Steph Clay Draymond Wiggins, Pool Pool's poison pilled anyway. If 399 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,240 that weren't the case, that would be interesting because then I think he would 400 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:45,079 be on the table and pretty movable. But so that's just what it is 401 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,079 like it is now. Is it worth it to trade James Wiseman? Now? 402 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Is the timing right? And is there a piece out there that will 403 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,640 justify what would be a pretty big admission of like we kind of blew it 404 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:02,559 with this pick. I'm just curious to whether like they're even have the impetus 405 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,119 to do that. Do you think that they're at full strength any looking at 406 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,160 what you think you could realistically get for James Wiseman, do you even think 407 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,720 like you're a James Wiseman trade away from being a And the deal that I 408 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,559 mentioned that I'm not going to propose here is just like, if you can 409 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,720 trade James Wiseman for and Moses Moody for Cody Martin, Jalen McDaniel's and PJ. 410 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,680 Washington, do you want to do it? And too? Do you 411 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,720 think that makes you like a serious contender? Yeah, I don't know. 412 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,599 I think that's the problem is, like you have to really it's unclear. 413 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,119 I don't think it's definitely not. Oh my god, we got PJ. 414 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,839 Washington now and to a lesser extent, Cody Martin. Like we're good. 415 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:44,279 We've got that. Our nine man rotation is complete. This is a title. 416 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,400 The other thing is there's still a reasonable chance that if the war this 417 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,359 was my position last year, if the Warriors don't do anything, they might 418 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,240 just have you know, they might just need to come together and hit you 419 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,839 know, everybody play well at the same time, and they might win anyway, 420 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,960 might win it anyway. Like there wasn't a trade last year. I 421 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,839 thought that would put them over the top. And I didn't think they should 422 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,079 trade the young guys last year. I'm much more inclined to say that now. 423 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,680 But the package you're saying is, like, I mean, I guess 424 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:19,319 that improves that definitely improves them. Is it to a great enough degree above 425 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:25,319 what they might be able to get to just with guys on the roster now 426 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,920 playing better? And is that difference enough to justify giving away a lottery ticket? 427 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,839 Like I don't know, I don't know, It's tough. Like what 428 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,880 I would say is if there's books, if Bowie on Bogdanovitch, who was 429 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,559 just sort of like I guess, the best reasonably available, best fitting player, 430 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,119 if he were available, and you could give up Wiseman and Moody, 431 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,519 and you know, whatever does that do it? Does that? Is he 432 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,720 that much better than auto Porter from last year? Like, I mean, 433 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,559 he's a better player, But the Warriors won't use Bogdanovich for you know, 434 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,000 seventeen shots of game, Like that's just the difference would be less significant than 435 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:07,559 you might think. I don't know. I'm just I'm just talking now because 436 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,279 I think this is one of the most complicated, high stakes situations in the 437 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,039 league where easy answers just you know, escape me. I don't know, 438 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,559 Uh yeah, I don't think they're gonna do anything. And I'm even curious 439 00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,240 as to what what do you view is there? And I know you've touched 440 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,359 on a little bit, like if you had just boiled down like the one 441 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960 thing player type that they need, like what is it? I think too 442 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,599 much has almost been made about the big man rotation, just because I think 443 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,880 in the playoffs Kavan Looney is fine and you can go to Draymond at the 444 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,039 five and you're gonna downsize anyway. And so I've I've just been interested, 445 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,400 Like I saw a lot of Warriors fans like all of a sudden intrigued by 446 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,880 Mason Plumbley. I couldn't tell if they were trolling or something. But I 447 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,519 just don't think that that's a not even in it. First of all, 448 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,240 it has to be jays wise. He's your only salary really to move, 449 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,519 which is just so difficult. It's also probably your toughest because he makes over 450 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:56,839 twelve million next year. You need a team that wants to take a flyer. 451 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,759 Yeah, that's not a cheap I think. I think. Yeah, 452 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,319 and you mentioned plumbly like the whole Yaka Purdle brief dalliance made no sense to 453 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,680 me, even less sense really just because like, so you're just not going 454 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,960 to play like Looney or Draymond. Playing less does not seem like the solution 455 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:19,559 to what's wrong with the Warriors. So and then you're got Purdle that you'd 456 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,200 have to theoretically pay a twenty million a year to keep, which is like 457 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,640 a non starter for me. So what they need, I think, is 458 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,319 just who's well. What they need is like the healthy version of thirty two 459 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,960 year old Andrea Goodala, or even like the what Porter did last year. 460 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,440 They need a forward who knows how to play, can move the ball, 461 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720 will hit spot up shots. It's not like a big role, but it's 462 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,799 it's something they don't have that you know they're asking. You know, Anthony 463 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,240 Lamb is one of the biggest two way contract success stories of the season, 464 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:55,920 but he's he's not someone I think they believe into the degree they did Porter 465 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,559 certainly not a goodala. They need that type. They need a forward, 466 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,599 a three four guy that can shoot, that can defend, that understands how 467 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,279 to play in the system. And it's just like, okay, that's that's 468 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,920 like four guys in the whole league. So I don't know if if the 469 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,240 trade market is is how they get there. I do have a trade that 470 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,640 I think is somewhat nuclear, and the only reason I thought of it is 471 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:25,720 because you gave you gave me time to extra time before the podcast to actually 472 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,880 workshop it. And the framework is complicated, but I'll give you before getting 473 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,039 in the details, if you were to give up James Wiseman and Jordan Pool 474 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,359 four or can you even are you even like mentally prepared for what's what's about 475 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,039 to happen right now? Well? How what? What? What is Pool's 476 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,440 salary going to account for? Because it doesn't it doesn't matter because I've made 477 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,559 it work financially, So like what level of player do I need to get 478 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,559 back? I'm just like, do you even see where this is going? 479 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,839 Like? I have no idea? Jordan Pool, James Wiseman for Kelton Johnson, 480 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:11,039 oh Man, God, I wish that's such a good trade I think 481 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:21,039 I don't think Keldon Johnson is quite the like basketball IQ type a veteran the 482 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,000 Warriors would need, would ideally want, but got his contracts good, and 483 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,200 he's young and he plays really hard and he's a twenty point scorer on a 484 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:32,759 bad team. Oh that's really tough. I mean, it takes Wiseman out 485 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,640 of it. If, like, just if it were Pool for Keldon Johnson, 486 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:40,839 straight up, I think I would hesitate. I like, I like 487 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,960 that. How did you do that? How do you make it work? 488 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,480 Because the Spurs have twenty six minuting cast space, But it's still complicated because 489 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:55,240 just there's the discrepancy in what the teams are, you know, worth going 490 00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,960 at what they're Jordan Pools worth to the Warriors going out versus coming in that 491 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,000 the Spurs cat space actually isn't enough. And so I ended up going Kelton 492 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:07,240 Johnson to the Warriors, James Johnson, Jordan Pool, James Wiseman and two 493 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:14,720 second round picks to the Spurs, and then Zach Collins and Isaiah Roby to 494 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:19,640 the Indiana Pacers. Okay, oh you brought in the rouped in the other 495 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,359 cap space team. I actually don't even think you need to do the James 496 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,200 Johnson like Roby thing. They don't even know why why I included that to 497 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,599 be honest with you, So like I think you could just get it done 498 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:31,960 with, you know, to forget that element of it. But like Za, 499 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:36,400 you'd be giving up Zach Collins was played really well. I thought about 500 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,960 with the Pacers, give you the less favorable of Boston's or Cleveland's first round 501 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,960 pick to get Zach Collins, who has another year left on his deal, 502 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:45,720 is just again, He's you talk about someone who could play with or without 503 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:49,880 Miles Turner. I don't think it would be unreasonable for them. Yeah, 504 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920 I think along just in a vacuum. Do you think do you value Jordan 505 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,039 Pool on his contract or Kelton Johnson has hit on his as the better asset. 506 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,799 Oh, it's Kelton Johnson by fucking far, just because of the money, 507 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,079 or because Pool again a harp on this, or we could just talk 508 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,319 about how Calvin Johnson's the better player. But that's what I mean, Like, 509 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:12,039 I think that's probably true this year, But then Pool plays the role 510 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 that's harder to fill, like the shot creator role. I don't know. 511 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,640 I honestly I ask because I don't know that's a tough that's a close. 512 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,319 Yeah, Like punting on that without getting a shot creator back was difficult. 513 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,680 And again, is Jordan Pool like a better trade asset when his money actually 514 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:30,599 kicks in? But I would I don't know if I'm gonna list that when 515 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,400 I actually do the like the Bleacher Report project though, because the only other 516 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,480 like sort of James Wiseman thing I thought of is just like if you could 517 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,559 give up James Wiseman and you're figuring out a way to get back Zach Collins 518 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,119 and Josh Richardson, Like, does that move the needle for you? Yeah? 519 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,759 I think I think that Richardson's close to the type of player I think 520 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,279 they're looking for. Is a little smaller than you'd want, but yeah, 521 00:33:54,359 --> 00:34:00,599 you could imagine him in a closing lineup potentially if Pool just can't artist guy 522 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,559 or if you know, there's there's a lot of there's a lot of possibilities 523 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:10,039 there, but you you ultimately wouldn't do the Pool for Keldon Johnson one man, 524 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,719 so Pools another guy that I feel like they'd be trading at a kind 525 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,599 of a low point. But it's possible that Pool just as someone that is 526 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,559 not going to be on this team for a long time, him or Draymond 527 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:30,000 potentially. I think it's like would The other thing is Keldon Johnson having him 528 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:35,320 knowing Draymond could leave in free agency. Is not that not nearly the same 529 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,239 level defensive player, but as someone who could feel like the I know he's 530 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,079 an undersize for and so you're not gonna get the five minutes out of him, 531 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,599 but just the idea of having his downhill assaults I he intrigues me more. 532 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,840 I get the shock creation concerns though, of giving up Jordan Pool and 533 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,199 such a deal, not getting someone to feel that, yeah, it's close. 534 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,280 Asked me to ask me tomorrow, I'd say I'd say I probably would 535 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,679 do it today. Asked me tomorrow, and I might change my mind. 536 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,920 It was at least like a thinker, right, I bet you aren't expecting 537 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,480 that was. But don't give me fifteen extra minutes? Is the moral of 538 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,400 this? Yeah, or else I get put to difficult decisions that make me 539 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:14,920 anxious. Let's move on to the next team in Pacific Division, which is 540 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:19,760 the Phoenix Suns. They're having you know, it's been I mean, they've 541 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,679 seen they've seen better years. So their buyers I think by default when you're 542 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,679 sort of looking at them, But their value of their twenty twenty three D 543 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,559 pick has increased as well. I also the things I'm watching for. Yeah, 544 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,559 we know they're gonna move Jay Crowder because it would be fucking stupid not 545 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:38,719 to. And if they don't, we need to have a conversation about why 546 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,000 it wasn't done over the off season. But if if they don't, like 547 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,920 that would just be male practice. Does the you know, it was reported 548 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,079 by WoDES that the sale is going to be finalized before the trade deadline, 549 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280 so I guess you can make last minute decisions, But does that like what 550 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,480 else goes into that? Is it going to hold up their business at the 551 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:01,760 trade deadline at all? And two like they've just been notoriously hesitant to make 552 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,840 major moves under James Jones. I know they traded for Chris Paul that was 553 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,360 a duh trade. So just like in terms of being too risk averse, 554 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,679 I would argue that's where they've ended up with James Johnson, with James Jones 555 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,800 or excuse me. And I'm curious as to whether, like would they be 556 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,679 willing to make I don't want to even call it a blockbuster move, but 557 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,559 a risky move to where are you going to give up a first round pick? 558 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Are you willing to even move DeAndre? And who's trade eligible? I 559 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,400 have so many questions about them, and they've been linked to like some not 560 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,159 flash, but they've been linked to Fred van Fleet as an example, and 561 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,199 that's something I actually really like for them, But like, would you do 562 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,039 you have the guts to go in with an eighton package or a picks package 563 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,199 that's going to bring you back Fred van Fleet? And they do not seem 564 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,840 like the franchise that would be, you know, willing to do that. 565 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,239 So those are my questions. And I think they need shot creation. They 566 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,840 could you use even like the player at everyone thought Landry Sham it was going 567 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,880 to be four or five years ago would be good for them. And then 568 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,760 just like they need more kind of like that four bigger like Jay Crowder, 569 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,119 but like maybe an upgrade over Jay Crowder where for this team someone in addition 570 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,599 to Cam Johnson obviously, So they have needs, it's just are they gonna 571 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,760 go about like trying to fill them? Like do you see this team being? 572 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,360 And I think what's also complicated them is we're past the point of, 573 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Okay, maybe an Eric Gordon trade solves this, because I don't think that 574 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,599 that's you could trade for Eric Gordon and that would be the safe mood. 575 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,039 I don't think it costs you a first round pick anymore, but like, 576 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719 what is that? What are we doing there at that point? It's kind 577 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,800 of this stop gap, cute little stop gap. So I would still make 578 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,719 the move. It's not cost me a first round pick, and I'm just 579 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,800 giving them salary and seconds. However, it feels like they need a move 580 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,559 now on a larger scale of that, and that's with we know Devin Booker 581 00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:58,800 will come back. Cam Johnson's already back. Chris Paul has been playing better. 582 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,239 I don't think people have talked they has written him off, which is 583 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,159 fine, like he's getting older, but he's been I think even the decline 584 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,079 was sort of overstated. He gets targeted on defense more. His offense has 585 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,280 not been like this abomination. But I will say kind of knowing the limitations 586 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,280 to mcal Bridges is you know, second and third layers of his offensive game 587 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,679 and just how flat out to put a kindly enigmatic DeAndre Aton has been this 588 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,559 season. It feels like they need more than a Oh they got Eric Gordon 589 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:30,519 and kJ Martin from the from the Rockets. Yeah, I think I might 590 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,760 be a little more inclined to put the picks in play if I were them, 591 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,280 And I wonder if just to throw a name out there, like they 592 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:44,039 have the expiring salary or pretty close to it between Crowder and Sarich, and 593 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,079 maybe they got to do a little bit more. I haven't run this through 594 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:50,519 the trade machine, but they're close to just like to the would the Hawks 595 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,159 take those guys? And however many picks you need for John Collins, Like 596 00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:58,440 and again we've talked every week about how John Collins value is, like nobody 597 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,800 knows what it is, but like, if you're gonna bring the picks into 598 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,400 play, then I think suddenly just whatever name is a top the available player's 599 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:15,639 list becomes reasonable, you know, reasonable just because the Sons have movable come 600 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,840 off the book's salary, that they can get to a good enough number to 601 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,119 where you're just not really trading for those players. You're just you want that 602 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,360 that cap relief. Maybe they'll be okay for you, Like a team like 603 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:32,920 the Hawks could actually use Jay Crowder, but something like that feels plausible to 604 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,039 me just because you are you know, I think you gotta at least see 605 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:42,239 what you can do with this roster this season, and then later on you 606 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,039 can decide what to do with eight, and you can decide, you know, 607 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,800 what to do I guess with Chris Paul. But like adding a big 608 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,880 piece and putting those picks on the table, I think is is a possibility 609 00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:58,840 that uh, you know, is probably not getting enough attention. I don't 610 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,960 know, so yeah, that that that would be what I would be looking 611 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,480 for, just because to double all the way back, like the Jay Crowder 612 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,840 thing is such an impossible situation because they just need a guy like Jay Crowder 613 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,920 from a team that presumably has one that would also want Jay Crowder. So 614 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,760 why are you giving up your Jay Crowder facts simile for another one when the 615 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,960 real deal has like quit on his team and been away for like it just 616 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,320 it's an impossible situation to get like value just for Crowder. So I think 617 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,880 you have to throw the picks in. You have to combine a salary if 618 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,599 you really want like a value add acquisition. It's I guess what's tough is 619 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,320 because it doesn't seem like that. If Pascal Siakam became available. Okay, 620 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,440 well that makes a kind of sense for them to do, but like that 621 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,119 level of player doesn't even seem available. Maybe Fred van Vleet is the closest 622 00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,440 that we come. I think that they should be even more aggressive. It's 623 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,360 like, oh, Gary Trent Jr. Someone who's going to be a free 624 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,760 agent, smaller than maybe you want, but like you could definitely play him 625 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,159 with You can run Chris Paul mcaial Bridges and Devin Booker with Gary Trent Junior 626 00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:04,800 and then have Aden at the five if you wanted to go that route, 627 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,519 like you could play that. So I think they need to be even more 628 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:08,920 aggressive and searching for those types of moves where it's okay, this player is 629 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,360 going to make more of an impact of Eric Gordon, but no, he's 630 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,719 not a star. And yes I'm putting my pick on the table. You 631 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,480 probably protect it more than you would if it's four star. Clearly, especially 632 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:22,440 given what feels like higher variants outcomes from them this year. The trade that 633 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,440 I actually have for them, and it's focused on Fred VanVleet. I think 634 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:29,400 what's tough is we need to know what the raptors would actually want. But 635 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,320 We talked about this trade a little bit. I changed the framework of it 636 00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:36,840 on the last podcast. But the Suns get Chris Bouche, Rashaun Holmes, 637 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,920 Fred van Vleet, the Kings get Jay Crowder. The Raptors received DeAndre Ayton, 638 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,920 Cameron Payne and a twenty twenty four second round pick from Sacramento and then 639 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,519 Portland's twenty twenty five second round pick from Sacramento. My concerns here and Raptors 640 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:57,239 fans pointed this out on YouTube, was the Raptors are losing just basically like 641 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,679 half of their show or a third of their shock creation going from van Fleet 642 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,280 to Eton. But if the Raptors were actually interested in eating over the summer 643 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,360 and they seem obsessed with having a big man now, or if they're pivoting 644 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,519 into this retool and you're getting rid of van Fleet, like the goal isn't 645 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,920 to get another shot creator, I think what you can argue is, would 646 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:20,519 they prefer the picks package? And so like the picks package from Phoenix's end 647 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:25,360 of the spectrum looks something like Dario Sharich Jay Crowder campaign. You throw in 648 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,719 there, and then like how many picks do you need to get that done. 649 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,039 Just let's talk straight up with with Toronto. And so I'm asking you 650 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,559 that, and then would you I guess first this deal, who says no 651 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:42,000 to it? Like looking at this three team trade because I think what I 652 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,039 just actually though kind of informs if you're the Raptors, are you leaning towards 653 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:50,199 the And it depends on how you view DeAndre Ayton's contract at this point where 654 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,880 he has three years and one hundred and two million left on it. I 655 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,280 don't think that he's bad value, and I think he would help the Raptors 656 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,920 even next to Siakam, But it does throw your space off. It does 657 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:06,000 make your half court offense more reliant on Siakam and Scottie Barnes needing to do 658 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,599 things and maybe even are you keeping Gary Trent Junior in this scenario? But 659 00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:13,519 if you like Dayton and you want a big like that's someone who fits more 660 00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,320 of the retool, then if you go picks, because you're not going to 661 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,719 replace Red van Fleet in free agency, like you're not all of a sudden 662 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,679 going to have cap space, right, So if you go to the Picks 663 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,159 route, you're kind of saying steering closer to the rebuilding phase or at least 664 00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:29,400 saying, well, we're gonna flip these picks for someone else who elevate our 665 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,679 shock creation. Yeah, so a couple of things. I think if I'm 666 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:38,480 Toronto, I'm doing this immediately, just because I'm uncomfortable with the possibility of 667 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:43,159 having to pay Van Fleet if he opts out what it might cost to keep 668 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,880 him. I'm just you know, he was never a high efficiency shooter and 669 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,559 scorer, and he's a small guard, and just the small guard aging curve 670 00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,199 is what it is. I think I might want to get out a year 671 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,199 or two soon than too late, And that's why I also kind of I 672 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:04,400 don't I understand the theory of Van Fleet with Phoenix. I just it's hard 673 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,280 for me to get there. So for those reasons and just the fit I 674 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,480 think just him and Chris Paul together is they're so small. There's I mean, 675 00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,119 him and Lowry worked. Lowry is a little bit of a different player. 676 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,360 So I'm doing this if I'm Toronto, and I do want this more 677 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,599 than a pick package, just because aten weird as it is to say, 678 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,039 and wrong as it might turn out to be, given some of the hints 679 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:30,400 we've had that like he might not be the most into basketball. Like some 680 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:35,559 of the attitude, work ethics stuff I think has been reported to be dubious. 681 00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,599 He could also be mad at the Suns. I feel like the thing 682 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:43,599 that's I think it's this is a by low opportunity, which is weird to 683 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,960 say for a guy who's got one hundred million left coming, you know, 684 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:50,760 the next three years. But I like the age that he he fits into, 685 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,840 the age band Seak comes a little older, but he feels that he 686 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,360 just you no longer question what their raptors will do at center. I think 687 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,880 there's a scenario where he does eventually bring enough stretch to really kind of add 688 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,519 some dynamism to that offense and would get on the offensive just like, yeah, 689 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:13,119 I want DeAndre and if I can get him for van Fleet and you 690 00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,519 know, Bouchet is the only other guy in here, and then like I'm 691 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:20,039 good with that. I'm happy to do that. So do you if you're 692 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,000 Toronto, do you don't even need the picks that you're getting better? You 693 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,000 could send those to Phoenix? No, because I yeah, I'm fine, 694 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:30,360 because I view van Fleet as an expiring contract that I'm not totally sure I 695 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,199 want back at what it's going to cost to get him. So I'm so 696 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,000 I altered. This is older. I view him is the more valuable playoff 697 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:38,360 player, but I guess in the context of Phoenix is roster. I get 698 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:43,440 you're good. So it's a no from Phoenix's end for you if it's yeah, 699 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,079 if I'm in charge of Phoenix, I don't think I'm doing that just 700 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,800 and I like van Fleet. It's weird. I feel like I'm shitting on 701 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,559 him, but I mean I get more Paul van Fleet. That's a lot 702 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:58,320 committed to the backcourt. I just how long they are also workable deals. 703 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,159 If he wanted to and you were Toronto, you want to go with the 704 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:04,679 picks route, It's Chris Paul and picks for Fred van Bleeve, like, 705 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,559 that's the structure you could go with. I'm just thinking Chris Paul's gone after 706 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,440 next year, and so you're about one year of going smaller. And the 707 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:15,360 way that the Suns have been able to just plug in play like Bismack Byambo 708 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:20,239 or jacque Landale jacque Landale into the five spot and have it work out, 709 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,159 imagine what they're gonna be able to do with Chris Bruche and Rashaw and Holmes, 710 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,599 and so I'm just wondering, like, I get it. I totally 711 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,679 get it. I think I actually like this more for Phoenix than I do 712 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,760 for Toronto though, and I would I would do it if I'm Sacramento, 713 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,840 if anyone cares, yea Sacramento on board here. Oh yeah, there's no 714 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,159 doubt about that one. Oh that's a good trade. Though, you're ready 715 00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,920 to move to the Lakers. I have the Lakers next. I'm always we 716 00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,679 always want to talk late. All right. This is kind of another simple 717 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,119 one, I guess because they sort of already made. I mean, they 718 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,000 didn't have a lot of moves to make them. They already made one. 719 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:55,159 So to me, the big question to answer is yeah, I mean, 720 00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,280 like, I guess they're buyers, because that's just you know, on and 721 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,960 Anthony Davis your buyer. The question is just is when do you when or 722 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,519 if you trade those two first rounders. It seems like it's not going to 723 00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:13,679 happen. They can trade their twenty seven and twenty nine. There were a 724 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,280 million permutations of those two attached to Russell Westbrook for Buddy Healed and Mouths Turner 725 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,599 or players X and Y or whatever. Else is out there. It's just 726 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,079 a question of is it worth it to do that now you've basically given up 727 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:28,880 your only draft assets, or do you just kind of wait, let Russ's 728 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,639 contract come off the books, sign somebody and you still in free agency and 729 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,239 you still then have those picks to dangle in some other deal. The Lakers 730 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,039 are other than Patrick Beverley, are really hard up for matching salary if you're 731 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,480 not going to have Westbrook in there. So how they go about getting, 732 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:53,039 you know, a bigger wing or just more shooting or forward that can defend, 733 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,000 Like, how they go about that is really tricky. They just don't 734 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,400 have the assets, and they gave up a bunch of seconds to get Rude 735 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,639 Hotchimura, who I do not think will answer any of the real questions that 736 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,320 Roster has on either end. So yeah, I mean, you target all 737 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,400 the normal guys like Josh Richardson crowd or Robert Covington. I'd even look at 738 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,760 someone like Chris Duarte, Burks, Camraddish, Doug McDermott, just any any 739 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,119 live body that can play like a two or a three position and shoot it 740 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,559 a little bit, and you know, if you get run over on defense, 741 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,639 whatever. I guess that's not the biggest deal, but you just really 742 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:35,599 have Beverly to do something with. So I kind of wonder if the Hotchimura 743 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,760 move is gonna be it, because unless somebody really wants Patrick Beverly, I'm 744 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,639 not sure what else the Lakers really have left to do. Imagine calling yourself 745 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,760 the care take over Bronze legacy this summer and then giving him Ruey Hotchimura as 746 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:54,920 like your big trade acquisition. Like my god, So you just don't think 747 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,599 and I think you don't believe. My question was would you trade one or 748 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,079 both of the first round picks? But that like, that's the biggest question, 749 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,000 and I'm all, so, here's I want to lay this out. 750 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,239 I talked about this on the podcast reaction that I did to the trade. 751 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,960 I was wondering, and I felt a little bit smarter about it, wondering 752 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,679 this after I heard zach Loo talk about the day after. I'm sure people 753 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,360 think I'm just parroting him, because I'm sure that's what typically happens. However, 754 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:24,119 anyway, you took on Ruey Hatchmore, you say you want him back 755 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,519 this summer, which take that with a metric ton of sault the Lectors can 756 00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,599 have thirty plus million in cap space, they can just renounce him. They 757 00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,760 might prefer that. Maybe they could work with even his cap holds close to 758 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,039 nineteen million, but you could sign he's gonna cost less than that. And 759 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:42,119 so let's say if he costs ten million, you signed him for ten million, 760 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,719 and you still have twenty plus million in cap space. They might go 761 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,360 that route. But I'm also wondering, if you really want to keep Ruy 762 00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,400 or you're planning on working with some version of his cap hold or his next 763 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,880 salary, have you now shown an inclination to take on money beyond this season? 764 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,960 And does that up the anti in terms of what you can get back 765 00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,199 in a trade. But also does it then if you're gonna take back money, 766 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,280 does it increase the likelihood that you give up both or one of those 767 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,199 first round picks because you're willing to take back money? Well, what does 768 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,760 that mean? Are we talking like Gordon Hayward's contract as taking back money type 769 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,000 of thing? Or well, you can't do I mean, honestly, like 770 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,119 if they were offering Gordon Hayward for Russ like I might consider it at this 771 00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:29,440 point. Maybe not, But I'm just saying like, even when you're talking 772 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,440 about the Boyan bogdanovitch Is of the world, or if it was Malik Beasley 773 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:37,639 or Gary or even just like the the idea of, well, why would 774 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:39,719 you go after Fred van Fleet from the Raptors where I know Raptors fans didn't 775 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,559 want both the first round picks and like the Beverly plus salary package the Lakers 776 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,440 can offer. But I might consider that if I'm Toronto, I'm so like, 777 00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:53,079 doesn't make it more likely that because you're maybe viewing this maybe if you 778 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,440 really, if if you want to keep Ruy, you're viewing this through a 779 00:50:55,519 --> 00:51:00,559 longer term lens. It's not even necessarily about taking on someone who's on contract 780 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,679 next year, but you're willing to make a bigger trade because you will pay 781 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,840 that person or keep the money that's already on the books, because you're not 782 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,000 as married to doing something in free agency this summer. Yeah, I think, 783 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:13,519 And I've gone back and forth on this over the course of the year. 784 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,039 I think where I'm at now and where I've been at for a little 785 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:21,719 while, is that of the trades that have been discussed or even hints it 786 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:27,920 at I don't think there's one out there that gets the Lakers to the level 787 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,920 they need to get to and would therefore justify the giving up the twenty seven 788 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,519 and twenty nine picks. And there's a bunch of stuff wrapped into that, 789 00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:38,400 which you know we talked we've talked about before, of like who gives a 790 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,039 shit about twenty seven and twenty nine picks? Both because executives don't last forever 791 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,519 and because Lebron and Anthony Davis are at this level now and figure out the 792 00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:52,239 rest later. I just so if it's Turner and Healed, which it isn't 793 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,360 going to be, I don't think that. I think that's just that ships 794 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,760 sailed, and I don't know so that even that didn't do it for me. 795 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,400 So I guess I hold onto those picks, and my plan would be 796 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,679 we I don't know, really kind of messes this up, I think, 797 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,480 or complicates it. My plan would have just been, can we sign Kyrie 798 00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:15,079 Irving, can we get him to figure out can we get him to take 799 00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:20,800 less than his max? And then can we use those picks with some other 800 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,079 salary we get from somewhere to then go get somebody else. In addition to 801 00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,960 that, there's a million ifs, and like, I don't even know how 802 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,880 realistic that is, but that would be my approach. Now, I want 803 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,880 somebody in that salary cap space, and then I want to be able to 804 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,960 trade those picks for like a fourth guy, you know, after ad Lebron 805 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:44,280 and Kyrie. That would be my approach. So that's also why if it 806 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960 were me, I'm not sure the Lakers do much else before the deadline. 807 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,280 And that's reflected in my trade idea for them, which is the Lakers get 808 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,159 Josh Richardson. It says Phoenix, I'm a document, I must not have 809 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,920 changed the team. But the Spurs get Patrick Beverly's expiring and then twenty five 810 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,000 and twenty seven second round picks from the Lakers. And this is the thing 811 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:08,400 that I struggle with is when fans are like, well, why does the 812 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,400 Spurs want Patrick Beverley And the answer is that they don't. He's an expiring 813 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,159 contract, he'll be bought out, probably resigned in Minnesota or something. Just 814 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,199 look at it as that, and so you're getting two second round picks for 815 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,280 Josh Richardson. Yeah, I think if I'm the Lakers, I'm undred percent 816 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,480 yeah, let's do that. If I'm the Spurs, so we'll get I'll 817 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,760 have the Spurs in a little bit, but I want more than seconds, 818 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,880 just because so I think that's probably realistic. It's me holding out and being 819 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:44,280 stingy. And if I'm the Spurs or anyone that's got a desirable wing or 820 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,719 expiring guy, I just want to see if this market is tight enough to 821 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,079 where I can squeeze a first out of somebody, because there's gonna be like 822 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,719 seven eight teams really wanting Josh Richardson, and that's just not because he's great, 823 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,920 but that's just because that's what you've got available. So I think that's 824 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,920 a reasonable trade. Even if if I'm the Spurs, I might try to 825 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,000 try to see if I could find a first somehow out of that. 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