WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.360 Yeah, you know, it's we had to play our a game. It's 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:09.439 you know, it was this or we go on vacation. So I thought 3 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:14.080 the group did a great job of not pressing, letting the game happen. 4 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:19.239 The flow was there. We've done this in the first three games. It's 5 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:24.000 just we haven't been able to capitalize. We've made the mistakes and they've capitalized 6 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.000 on that. They shot the three well. We tried to keep them off 7 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:31.000 the free throw line tonight and not giving them second opportunity. So I thought 8 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:35.560 they did a really good job of being able to execute the game plan and 9 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.359 let the game come to us. We made some shots. Finally, you 10 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.280 know, our role players stepped up and made some threes, and that's what 11 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:54.479 we needed tonight. That's Jason Kidd, the head coach of the Dallas Mavericks, 12 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.840 who will try and bring the series back to Dallas with a five win 13 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:07.760 tonight. In Boston, three games to one, the Celtics lead the series. 14 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.599 I was talking with my oldest son yesterday and he said something along the 15 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:19.959 lines of, you know, Boston completely owning the series. I know, 16 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:30.120 the final scores don't necessarily indicate that the last Boston win was by seven points. 17 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:38.359 Game two was a difference of seven points. Game one was a blowout, 18 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:46.359 right one twenty four to one oh three. So I guess I don't 19 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.760 think it's fair to always look at the final score, because sometimes teams do 20 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:57.680 stage comebacks, and sometimes teams do have certain moments where they either struggle or 21 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:04.000 they're really successful toward the end. How competitive do you think this has been? 22 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:12.759 Has it lived up to what you thought it might? I thought Boston 23 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.840 was clearly the better team going in. I didn't think there was any question 24 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:21.479 about that, not just based on regular season, but look at the postseason 25 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:28.120 two and I think, trust me, I'm no Celtics apologize or anything like 26 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.919 that, but I think what happens a lot of times is we get caught 27 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:38.639 up in our personal feelings and we want to take something away from a team 28 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.120 that maybe took something away from us. And some of us who are a 29 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.159 little bit older and remember what happened to the Pistons in the mid eighties against 30 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:51.520 Boston still hold it against the Celtics, or may say, you know what, 31 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.280 They've won seventeen championships. I don't want them to win another one. 32 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:01.280 I've seen them enough through the history of a BA basketball Okay, fair enough, 33 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.120 But what you cannot deny is how good they have been all season long. 34 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.680 And when people saw what they did in the postseason, what they saw 35 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:19.120 what they did against Miami without Jimmy Butler and Cleveland with without you know, 36 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:25.400 a star player there for the most part, and what they did against Indiana 37 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:34.039 without a star player there tyres Helberton, then Donovan Mitchell and Cleveland is what 38 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:38.000 I'm referring to. Then you want to say, well, they had an 39 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.080 easy path. It's kind of like it's kind of like what happened in the 40 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:49.800 US Open yesterday if you watched any of that coverage. And I'm not a 41 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:59.599 big Bryson or Shamblee fan, he's the guy who's on the Golf Network and 42 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.960 he was part of the NBC broadcast yesterday, and he was almost you could 43 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:10.560 make the case. I hate to put this on somebody and not know who 44 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:14.280 they are or truly know their personal feelings, but you could make the case 45 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:19.920 that he was openly rooting for Rory McElroy. Just some of his comments, 46 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:26.319 you know, the good fortune of Bryce and Deshambeau instead of giving him credit. 47 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.399 Just little things like that, that make you a little leery of his 48 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:40.199 objectivity. But you have to you have to take everything under consideration, but 49 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:47.439 without taking things away from a team accomplishment. And even though I don't necessarily 50 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:51.680 like the Celtics, I do give them credit for being able to do what 51 00:04:51.720 --> 00:05:00.560 they've done. So beating teams like Miami and beating Indiana and beating leveland not 52 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.560 in that order. You'll you'll sit there and say, well, they those 53 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:09.079 teams were without their superstar player. Okay, but Boston can't do anything about 54 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.160 that. But what they can do is beat them, and they did, 55 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.399 and they beat them decisively, right, Okay, there, There's there's nothing 56 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.800 you could say about them about the Dallas situation. Dallas has been healthy, 57 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:27.120 They've got their players, and as good as Luka Doncic has been scoring wise 58 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:34.920 and Kyrie irving in the last game, Boston has withstood everything that Doncic could 59 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:41.240 provide to them or for them or throw at them. And they're up three 60 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.480 games to one, and I expect them to close them out tonight in Boston. 61 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.519 I'm not necessarily rooting for it. I would like to see more games 62 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:53.000 in this series, if for no other reason gives you and I something to 63 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:58.680 talk about. I don't have a dog in this proverbial fight, but it 64 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:04.519 does keep more sports involved for you and I to discuss. That's another reason 65 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:09.639 I want the Stanley Cup to continue. You're going to see Game five of 66 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:15.480 that series tomorrow night in Florida after Edmonton blew out the Panthers in the last 67 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:20.040 game, and you wonder where that's been. But that's been. I think 68 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.879 that's been a little bit closer series, I think than the NBA Finals has 69 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:29.800 been. But I mean, when so many people want to just burn the 70 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:34.480 Celtics, and I'm not even speaking nationwide, I'm talking more locally in Michigan 71 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:43.240 based, they can't. They can't pull themselves to give them credit because of 72 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:50.279 past experiences. There's a part of me that has done the same thing with 73 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:56.160 teams of the past. And you know what, it may happen even later 74 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:01.480 on this year. You may be watching up San Francisco. You may you 75 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.920 may be watching the San Francisco forty nine ers later on this season, and 76 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:15.920 you might be looking for every possible you know, deficiency that that team has 77 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.560 and try to take it away from him. So what makes your team look 78 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:27.519 a little bit better that may be the case because they broke your heart last 79 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:34.120 year, frustrated you to no end. Same with me, absolutely, but 80 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:39.480 in the end you do have to give them credit. I would hope you're 81 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:45.360 you understand that, and I would hope the same thing for this This Boston 82 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.680 team again, not that I was a huge fan of any of those Boston 83 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.560 teams in the past. Couldn't stand Danny Ainge, didn't like Robert Parrish, 84 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:56.399 right, just like Boston didn't like any of the Piston teams. Don't I 85 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.879 don't like any of those Boston teams. I respected certain players Larry Bird, 86 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.279 Kevin McHale, Dennis Johnson for a period of time, you know, Cornbread 87 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.480 Maxwell for a period of time, respected how good they were, but couldn't 88 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:16.439 stand them. This Boston team, and maybe it's again it goes back to 89 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:22.120 personal experience. It's not like they've denied the Pistons of anything. I think 90 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.279 it's hard not to like a guy like Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum. I 91 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:31.080 think they're really good players. And Drew Holliday for what he does and brings 92 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:37.879 to a team. Something to be said for that. Phone number in the 93 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.360 Meyer hotline is eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. You 94 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.080 could text the program sports Radio to twenty one thousand. There was an interesting, 95 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:52.799 what I considered an interesting article through the New York Times and The Athletic 96 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.159 the other day, and it will go back to baseball. They wanted to 97 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.639 redraft the twoth and fourteen draft. Here's the reason why it takes in baseball 98 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.360 a little bit longer to recognize, you know, what a player is going 99 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:13.440 to be. I'll give you who the Tigers drafted that year, who they 100 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.399 should have drafted, and who this article suggests the Tigers should have drafted. 101 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:24.320 They're all different, and I don't agree with it, but I'll give it 102 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.960 to you because it did affect this team long term. There's no doubt about 103 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.919 it. It's another example of what the hell was wrong with this team's inability 104 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.559 to draft the right player and develop them. We'll get to that when we 105 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.080 come back on X's and Bros. On a Monday morning throughout the Great State 106 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:46.559 of Michigan on the Michigan Sports Network, Ready Set Drop with Soaring Eagle, 107 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.159 Casino and Resorts, Clinko Craze get in on the action every Friday in June 108 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.320 every hour from ten am. To ten PM. 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The alphletic came out and they redid a draft of twenty and 118 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:16.440 fourteen, and that is the year. This is a good example here, 119 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:26.200 folks. That is the year that the Tigers drafted won Derreck Hill out of 120 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:35.799 Elk Grove High School in Sacramento, California, twenty third. Overall. They 121 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:46.080 could have had Matt Chapman, a third baseman out of California State Fullerton, 122 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:54.600 Derek Hill, and he had. You know, people raved about his athleticism, 123 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:03.159 Okay, his speed, all right, the tools that he could have 124 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:13.120 provided, so never had more than forty nine games played in the majors. 125 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.559 He's in the Texas organization. Now. He went from the Tigers organization and 126 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:26.360 he only played three years in Detroit and ninety five total games, and then 127 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.360 went to Washington for a year where he only played thirteen games in the Nationals. 128 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.639 And now he's in the Texas organization. And I'm not suggested at the 129 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:43.320 age of twenty eight he hang it up, keep that dream alive. But 130 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:50.200 the thing that Tigers and a lot of teams I think fail to recognize when 131 00:12:50.279 --> 00:13:03.120 drafting players or drafting in general, is the heart of players. We look 132 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:09.360 at strength of arm, speed, ability to hit, maybe a hit for 133 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:16.159 power, you know, the five tools that we constantly bring up when it 134 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:26.039 comes associated with baseball. And I think the other quality you would like to 135 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:35.759 have in a player is the heart, the want to, the desire. 136 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.360 How you measure that is really up to each individual team, I suppose, 137 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:52.279 But those are the kinds of things I've talked with many of X player who 138 00:13:52.360 --> 00:14:01.000 were tough as nails, and that's what they would like to see, They 139 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:07.120 would like to almost be in on a lot of those conversations with players. 140 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.799 You know how you before you draft somebody, you're not just looking at tape 141 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.360 and then saying, you know what, I'm gonna take this guy without really 142 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.960 talking to them. I'm not saying every situation is like the NFL draft, 143 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:28.320 where you're bringing Jack Campbell into a room and asking them to go over various 144 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.879 film. What do you see here, what's your responsibility, what are you 145 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:39.679 calling out? So on and so forth. But when you're drafting a guy 146 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.600 in the first round, like the Tigers did with Derrek Hill in twenty fourteen, 147 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:50.399 you better know that person. You better get to know them quickly. 148 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.519 It's a massive investment. It can't be just hey, you know what, 149 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:03.480 I watched you play in high school and you dominated. Well, no kidding, 150 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.919 you should dominate. You're going to be a first round pick in the 151 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:15.000 Major League Baseball draft. You should be dominant. I want to know what's 152 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.320 going to make you want to be dominant at the next level and then the 153 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.600 level after that. You've got to get to know the player. Anybody who 154 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:28.799 had seen this guy play, yes, was impressed to a certain extent with 155 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:39.679 his ability, but what about the ability to fight through injuries or fight through 156 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:48.600 adversity. That's the kind of player you want to It's always it's not always 157 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.200 easy to find that combination. Tigers do think, in fairness, they do 158 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.679 think they have that in a guy like Max Clark, who they drafted in 159 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:03.159 the first round, third overall year ago. They feel like that's the makeup 160 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:10.000 of him now. Wyatt Langford had the same makeup when he was playing in 161 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:15.639 Florida and is doing it there in Texas right now. I think it was 162 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.120 Friday or Thursday night had a couple of RBIs. Friday had an RBI. 163 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.720 He's not going to win Rookie of the Year, but he's playing pretty regularly 164 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.960 and that's going to be the measuring stick. With Max Clark, He's always 165 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.720 going to be compared to Wyat Langford because so many people wanted him there. 166 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:45.600 Jackson Job will be compared to Marcella Mayer because so many of us wanted him 167 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:52.879 the shortstop to be a Tiger rather than the high school pitcher. It's just 168 00:16:53.440 --> 00:17:00.519 every player shouldn't say every A lot of players have that link to them, 169 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:06.960 Okay, Dylan Cruz and Paul Skens. You can bring up baseball guys moving 170 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:12.359 forward and you can look back at it the same thing we're all well aware 171 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:18.960 of. You know, the Darko Milicic comparisons. It didn't happen right after 172 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:26.279 the first season. It happened going into that season because so many other people 173 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.920 wanted Carmelo Anthony, or maybe you were a Chris Bosh fan, or perhaps 174 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:41.640 it was Dwayne Wade any or all the above. I'm not saying you and 175 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.039 I would know Derek Hill was drafted head of Matt Chapman, and that's the 176 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.960 guy that Tigers should have and his career is going to be compared to him 177 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.920 for the rest. No, I'm not going to claim to know that Matt 178 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:03.119 Chapman was the guy back then, but we do know that there were questions 179 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:10.079 about Derrek Hill's how shall I put this commitment okay to being the best he 180 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:12.319 can be? Are you willing to put in the work to do it? 181 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:22.119 And how quickly? How quickly did the organization recognize that that was not there? 182 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:33.599 Really good organizations recognize certain things about certain players and cut bait if it's 183 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:41.920 not their kind of player. We made a mistake. Let's move on tough 184 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:52.400 to swallow, really difficult to swallow by the way, same topic or same 185 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:57.839 sport, different topic. Mookie Bets was hit on the hand yesterday. Did 186 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:03.400 you see that show here? Tani Yard twice? Freddie Freeman hit a bomb. 187 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.400 Mookie Betts was hit on the hand. Who knows how long he's going 188 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:11.720 to be out. I don't know the Dodgers farm system. I don't know 189 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.200 what they're going to do at shortstop. I doubt they bring Chris Taylor in 190 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.680 and play him at shortstop. He's had a really bad year. These are 191 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:26.279 situations that upset me even more about the Hobby or Baio situation, because that 192 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.559 might be a viable option. Had he been any halfway decent of a player 193 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:37.640 this year, had he been better than he is right now, a little 194 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:44.079 bit more than marginally better, you could possibly get out from underneath it with 195 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:48.599 a team that needs a player like that, and can go into a situation 196 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.160 where he's not the guy when there are so many other guys that people want 197 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:59.039 to talk to. Very similar to his Mets situation or Cub situation would have 198 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:06.440 been ideal. Keyword there would have been because he's it's impossible, because how 199 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:10.000 bad he's been all right. Quick time out and then we'll take your calls 200 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:12.160 on the Meyer hotline eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 201 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.200 The text line is Sports Radio twenty one thousand. 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The Huge 210 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.960 Show is coming up later today at three right here on the Michigan Sports Network. 211 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.519 All right, back with you on Exers and Bros. Glad you're with 212 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:29.839 us. Our poll question on our Twitter page or our X page. Did 213 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:36.920 Bryson Deshambo win the US Open or did Rory McElroy lose the US Open because 214 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.119 McElroy bow gave three of the last four holes he played. Either way, 215 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:48.680 however you choose to vote, I thought it was a phenomenal way to start 216 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:56.160 slash cap your day of Father's Day. The shot on eighteen. I don't 217 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.440 know if people saw this. I'm sure you have by now. The shot 218 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.359 that Dsham had on eighteen was simply incredible. Not the t shot because that 219 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:11.200 was brutal, not the second shot that wasn't a whole lot better, but 220 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:18.160 the third shot. Watching that play, I thought to myself, therein lies 221 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:26.920 the essence of golf. You could be it's what makes the sport great, 222 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:32.559 but it also makes it extremely frustrating. I mean, you could have on 223 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:37.680 a par four, you could have three really good shots and then screw up 224 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:48.640 the putt and you'd leave frustrated. You could have three bad shots but hit 225 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.920 something at the very end to salvage the hole, and you could walk away 226 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:59.599 feeling pretty good about yourself. De Shambo went way left on his drive. 227 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:06.000 The ball was in sand, but not in a trap near a tree. 228 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:10.160 Route he punches it out. I think he was trying to get it to 229 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:15.240 the center of the fairway could be wrong there ends up going pretty far and 230 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:22.279 into a bunker side trap or a green side trap, I should say. 231 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.480 And it's a long bunker shot, which is one of the more challenging in 232 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:32.799 all of golf, The long bunker shots, not those in the fairway. 233 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:37.599 Those guys don't mind that. It's the bunker shots that require you to that 234 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.799 are around the green, but require you to get it pretty deep to reach 235 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:52.240 the flag. Not one player from that bunker of that distance was able to 236 00:23:52.359 --> 00:24:00.720 salvage par at the US Open until Bryce and Deshambo did it on eighteen on 237 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:06.880 Sunday for the Championship. He nestled it up within four feet, sank the 238 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:12.319 putt and one by one shot. That's a hell of a play. I 239 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:22.839 was watching him with some folks yesterday and somebody was complaining about Bryson Deshambo's putting 240 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.039 style. And this is after he had bogied one of the holes. See, 241 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.759 I don't like the way he putts. And I said, but what 242 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:36.079 I have you? Why do you wait until like the sixteenth hole to complain 243 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:40.039 about it when he's been knocking down putts all day an all tournament long. 244 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.640 I don't understand that, And I said to somebody else, you watch if 245 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.839 he doesn't win this tournament or if it goes to you know, extra holes, 246 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.720 if it's a playoff hole. I said, people are going to complain 247 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:03.319 left and right about his being a radical off the t changing the driver head 248 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:15.319 before the round, and his putting style because as they mentioned during the broadcast, 249 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.599 the margin for air the way he puts, the margin for air is 250 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:26.480 very small, just because the requirement of his style where he stands over it, 251 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:33.079 has his arms wide, has an extended putter in length, all that 252 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.200 stuff. Anyway, that's our poll question. You can go to follow us 253 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.559 on on X or on Twitter at x's and bros. Ben I know. 254 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.039 We got some more texts. Yeah, fire away. It says she now 255 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.960 that the DH is full time, is there a stereotype that an NL pitcher 256 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.599 can't come to the AL and pitch well, or an AL pitcher can go 257 00:25:55.720 --> 00:26:00.880 to the NL and pitch great? Yeah, good question. What's the stereo? 258 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:06.759 Do you think the stereotype before was that National League pitchers could go to 259 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:14.160 the American League and have greater success than the other way around. I think 260 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.400 that's what people believed, because yeah, they didn't have to bat. I 261 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:25.000 would be interested to know how much it has helped Pictures, and I do 262 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.960 believe no longer are people. I don't know if it's the stereotype. Okay, 263 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.200 let me just say that, I don't know if it's shystereotype, but 264 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:40.960 I do believe there are more people thinking out there that there isn't the necessary 265 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:48.039 advantage that there used to be. The adjustment is a little bit easier. 266 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:55.279 So that's a good question. I'll have to ask Pictures that next time I'm 267 00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:00.599 down there to see if indeed that is a thing with them. I know, 268 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:06.119 Look, I don't know how people feel about it. There's a purity 269 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.359 that people believed existed in the National League when a pitcher had hit. I 270 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.559 never liked it. There are certain things. This happens in every sport, 271 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:22.359 but there are certain things in baseball, especially that I never liked and I 272 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.799 still don't. And there are certain things I didn't think I would like and 273 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:33.079 I did with the new rules, for example, never thought I would like 274 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:41.599 the seven inning doubleheaders, but I did. Never liked the ghost runner at 275 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:49.119 second base in extra innings, and I still don't do not like the rules 276 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:55.400 of disengagement for pictures when there's a man on and I'm never going to like 277 00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:02.000 that. I think it's an unfair advantage for the runner. I think it's 278 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:15.359 bs okay with the DH or pitchers hitting. Never liked pictures hitting, even 279 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:21.119 though Mickey Lulich was had one of the biggest hits in the nineteen sixty eight 280 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.599 World Series. Never never liked it. Just never thought. I mean, 281 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.160 it's not what I don't think it's what people pay to see. I think 282 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:37.359 people pay to see pictures pitch and hitters hit. It's it's not enjoyable watching 283 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:44.279 a pitcher stand in there and look completely overmatched on three or four pitches. 284 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.920 Yes, there is the exception to the rule where somebody may actually turn on 285 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.200 one, close their eyes and get a hold of it, and sure there 286 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.400 is a picture or two. Who thinks, you know what, I wasn't 287 00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:02.880 that bad if people let me handle it, I wasn't that bad. You 288 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:04.720 know who? You know who was like that? If you look at Zach 289 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:12.319 Greenkey and that was That's always been the example used. You know, Zach 290 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.119 Greenkey was a really good hitter, and this then and the other thing. 291 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:22.400 Okay, that's fine. I think with Zach Greenke. If you took somebody 292 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:30.119 else and you said, all right, this is what this hitter. I 293 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:37.119 know he's a pitcher, but the argument had always been from a hitting perspective. 294 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.480 I want to see pictures hit. Why, well, look at Zach 295 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.920 Greenke. That's a guy who betted you know, two twenty five in his 296 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:51.839 career. Okay, i'd reiterate it's two twenty five. Anybody else who hits 297 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.400 two twenty five you don't want to watch. You don't want to watch him 298 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:03.160 hit. You look at two twenty five and you're thinking this isn't good enough. 299 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:11.559 He shouldn't be playing, And you're right, And I know Zach Greenki 300 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:17.240 brings something else to the table for whatever team he was playing with. I'm 301 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:22.680 just giving you the example of hitting because this is what people use as the 302 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:29.599 bar for pitchers. Cole Keith hitting better than two twenty five, and there's 303 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.480 a lot of people who think he should be sent down. So I was 304 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:41.519 never, and I never will be a proponent of pitchers hitting, just like 305 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:48.119 I don't want to see position players pitching. I don't want to be snobby 306 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:56.039 about baseball, but I feel like it's a mockery of the game. I 307 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:06.079 can't say that I ever remembers a game is so bad where managers brought in 308 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:12.000 a position player to pitch. I just, I just I can't remember. 309 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.640 I don't think Gene Mauck way back in the day ever thought, you know 310 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:22.480 what, I'm gonna have Rod Carew eventually pitched today if things get out of 311 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:29.599 hand. Wrong answer, not the way you want it to be. Anyway. 312 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.160 That's kind of how I feel about baseball. It's a it's a good 313 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.720 text, and I appreciate it. We get another one. Ben Yeah says, 314 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.359 would you consider these moves for the Tigers if Saint Louis and Colorado move 315 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:49.160 on from them? Charlie Blackman and Paul Goldschmid, that's from well, first 316 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:56.200 of all, really like them both. Okay, I think a lot so 317 00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.880 much depends on that, ready, and here's here's what it is. Because 318 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.960 Charlie Blackman, who I think has been an outstanding hitter, but he's thirty 319 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.799 seven. I don't know his contractual situation. I just know he's up there 320 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:15.240 in age. I think he's about thirty seven. What you would have to 321 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.240 figure out, more than anything else. First of all, he's an outfielder, 322 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:24.480 so tell me where he fits. You're gonna play right field for you 323 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.480 at the age of thirty seven, on what type of contract and all that 324 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.799 other stuff. Right, then you got to figure out. Okay, when 325 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:39.000 he's at coors Field, he's a three thirty one hitter. I'm not trying 326 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.799 to take anything away from him. When he hits away from coors Field, 327 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:50.480 he's a two point fifty eight hitter. That's a big difference on base percentage. 328 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:54.000 Three ninety one at home, three seventeen on the road. Slug's five 329 00:32:54.039 --> 00:33:01.279 point fifty four at home, slugs four to ten on the road. Right, 330 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.480 he's more of a he's more of a hitter. He's not a power 331 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.039 hitter. I don't consider him a power hitter anyway, but he's been a 332 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.599 hell of a hitter. I would not. I don't think that's what they 333 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:25.920 need. Paul Goldschmidt is thirty six. He's got great pop. Does he 334 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:34.640 still have great pop? I mean twenty five homers a year ago? How 335 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.160 long are they going to sustain it again? So many other questions need to 336 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:42.519 be asked and cannot be answered, like how long are you going to keep 337 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.559 him? What do you have to give up? If anything, What is 338 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.920 the contract situation going to be? You know, those are the different things. 339 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:57.480 I've always liked Paul Goldschmidt. He's an incredible defensive player, four time 340 00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:02.319 goal glover, and he's been a consistent offensive stick. This is the hard 341 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.839 thing I think about baseball, because you are under team control for so long, 342 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:15.199 it's hard to find that guy. That's why drafting and developing is so 343 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:22.039 vital for a team's success. You draft a guy and you develop him. 344 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:30.280 Now, Paul Goldschmidt was drafted by Arizona, actually drafted by the Dodgers first 345 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.039 and then Arizona, and he's a he was a late round pick. He 346 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.320 was an eighth round draft pick. And Kirk Gibson was part of Arizona when 347 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.920 Paul Goldschmidt was brought up, and Gibby and I have talked about him quite 348 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:46.760 a bit and give me his set on more than one occasion. He just 349 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.880 he loves everything about him. Everything about that guy reeks of professionalism and hard 350 00:34:52.920 --> 00:35:00.960 work. He would be such a good example for the young players of the 351 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:07.360 Tigers. He'd be fantastic. This is his last year, This is his 352 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:13.159 last year in Saint Louis. He's maybe twenty six million bucks. So I 353 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.400 just found out this is his last contract. Contract is up at the end 354 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.519 of the year. Is he a guy you would want to go get? 355 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.440 Could serve as a first basement for you, could serve as the designated hitter 356 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:28.639 for you, But that would then force what Carrie Carpenter to play on a 357 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.239 regular basis, unless you want to have him as the DH Well Goldschmith plays 358 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.440 first base and Torklsen gets a day off. And yes, I'm still believing 359 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.639 that Tarkosen will be part of this franchise. I hope. So I think 360 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.920 it's important. He's got to prove himself. I'm not giving it to him, 361 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:54.800 but it's really important. We use Paul Goldschmidt as an example. Paul 362 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.840 Goldsmith twenty four. At the age of twenty four, he was in his 363 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:05.760 second season. He only hit twenty bombs. Spencer Torkolsen already has exceeded that. 364 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.960 I'm not saying Toorkosen is going to be as good as Paul Goldschmid. 365 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:14.320 I would love for that to be the case. That's asking an awful lot. 366 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.800 I don't think that will be the case, especially defensively, which has 367 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.440 been a little bit of a bummer because I thought Torklosen would be better defensively. 368 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:28.760 He has not been. Anyway, I digress. That's how you'd work 369 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.079 that in. You have to look at it in more ways than just one. 370 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.559 It can't be just well, he's going to be your first baseman and 371 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.039 we'll figure out what we're going to do with Torkolsen. Cause again we're talking 372 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:43.719 about drafting and developing guys for extended period of times. You're not going to 373 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.079 be able to just go out and pluck a guy who you think is going 374 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:51.800 to fit your franchise for an extended period of time. At the age of 375 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.719 twenty six. You want to make some trades. Okay, maybe you get 376 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:05.440 the next rendition of a Miguel Cabrera trade. Don't think that there's one out 377 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:10.159 there, but how great would that be? It'd be great. Remember this, 378 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.920 when you traded Cabrera, though you gave up a lot of your high 379 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:22.960 draft stock, cam Maybman was a high draft pick, right People viewed him 380 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:32.440 as a big deal within the organization. Same thing with Jacob Turner. Anyway. 381 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:39.400 Bottom line is I would say no to those I just don't see the 382 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:47.480 productivity. I would not want to get caught up in a lengthy, extended 383 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.239 contract not even sure they'd come here. Has nothing to do with the city 384 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:53.920 of Detroit. Has everything to do with whether or not you can win. 385 00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.519 But I don't want to get caught up guys who are thirty six and thirty 386 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:06.440 seven years old, giving them a two year deal if they'd even take that, 387 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:08.840 and suddenly they're on the cusp of almost forty years old. Again, 388 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:19.719 No thanks. You've got to be your scouting staff. Your crew has to 389 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:27.119 be better at identifying players who can help you in different ways at a younger 390 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.840 age. This ballpark, because you're playing half your games is this ballpark? 391 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.360 I always talk about power, and I think they need it for sure, 392 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.079 you know that. But there's other ways to have power, not just home 393 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:42.599 runs. Can we get somebody who's a little bit more tailor made to the 394 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.679 ballpark in terms of finding gaps, hitting doubles and triples. They bring in 395 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.679 runs too, you know. But it's a good question. I like the 396 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:58.679 way you're thinking. Final hour of X's and Bros. Coming up. 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