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and gentlemen. Welcome to the truth Seka Podcast. I'm your host truth Stiker,
excited and delighted to be with you again today. My guest is Michael
Cameron. We're going to be talking about his new book and his spiritual supernatural
UFO encounters and it's going to be fun. Michael, Welcome to the show.
Brother, how are you hello there? Thank you for inviting me it's
good to be here. Good to have you. Man. Your new book
is High Strangeness he is and that was put out through Philip Mantle's publishing company.
Correct, Yeah, Flying Disk Press. Awesome. Yeah, I've I've
interviewed a couple of the people that put out works through him and just we
just lost what is his name from Pasca Gula, Yeah, Calvin Calvin Parker.
Yeah. I was able to interview him in person. He lives or
lived less than thirty minutes away, so I was able to go there in
person and meet him. Yeah, So that was cool. And he worked.
He was a lovely guy. He worked with with Philip and Flying Disc
and they put out some amazing work for sure. Yeah. I think it's
still ongoing, isn't it, and continuing. I mean, he's a lovely
guy. Yeah. Did you ever get a chance to speak with him?
Only briefly? Probably last year. I did, any but it's a very
brief time. You know. I actually wanted to meet him, but I
didn't get the opportunity to at the time. Yeah, which is just a
bit of a shame. But I did. Yeah, I did speak to
him briefly, and I do know lots of people that knew him. So
that's cool, thank you. But yeah, we're going to talk about your
book and your experiences and going back to when you were a kid is where
a lot of this stuff gets birthed. And you know, definitely for me,
you know, playing it something in my mind and my life to kind
of put me on a trajectory to ask deeper questions. So for you,
where did all this start, with these experiences and supernatural interdimensional beings UFOs,
all of this stuff, Where did it start? For you? Well,
from me, it started, I guess when I was being born into the
world again, you know, I often say at the time when I was
being when I was being born here, I was my mom's mum, which
would be my grandmother from my mom's side, she was passing you know again
what you know, into I guess spirit world. And I often say to
people, you know, maybe we met each other on the way. She
was on the way back and I was coming back here. And after when
I was born, I was born premature, was an unexpected child. I
was in hospital a long time. But when I did eventually go back to
the house, which was a new house. I was brought up in a
you know, as I said, in the Roman strict Roman Catholic Irish family
in a Roman Catholic environment. My dad was a school keeper of a school
house which was in the built into the grounds of the what would be a
junior school. And you know, my book focuses primarily on this location in
the East end of London during the nineteen seventies and for most of the you
know, most of the activity that has happened to me in early childhood and
teen age, in my teenage years happened in the ouse or in the location,
or within the school itself. So in the ouse that I was brought
up in or as a baby, we experienced in the house lots of poltergeist
activity, which you know, it seems to be associated with this type of
phenomena, you know, high strangeness with and you know, in the in
the house itself when I was basically in my cot my parents were seeing things,
you know, like orbs flying around or balls of lights which were in
the room where I was. And my brother Sean, So I talked in
the book about my three brothers, Frances, Kevin, and Shawn. Sean's
two years older than me. I'm the youngest and Frances and Kevin are a
lot older than me, and Sean and and my brother you know, my
brothers were were seeing entities that were basically looking down into my cot when I
was a baby, which and you know, a lot of the activity what
was happening. There was cold spots in various areas that were previously not there.
And my mum used to hear disembodied voices when she was alone in the
house that were calling her name, and when she turned around there was nobody
there. Often caused her to flee from the rooms in fright. There was
I remember there was a time when my brother Francis was laying in bed and
we had a large wooden oak wardrobe which was really heavy, and it was
toppled over on top of him on the bed. But he wasn't hurt,
but he was in shock. And Kevin one day was coming up the stairs
and some it pushed him down the stairs. He felt something move against him
like a hand and or something, you know, knocked him again. He
wasn't injured, he was just shot. And there was not to banging on
the walls in the house where we grew up. It was the you know,
the walls and there were were really strong and so if you were to
bang your and against them, it would it would produce only the sound of
thuds, you know. But these were echoing like almost like stereo surround.
And my dad used to get up in the middle of the night and he
used to continuously, every almost every night, go downstairs to check there was
nothing now, and when he returned to the bed, the sounds would return.
And you know, this went on for a while, and I think
it's only a sort you know, help from the Catholic Church. When the
activity started to get more you know, I guess more sinister where somebody could
be so as he hurt, and when we had objects that went missing and
then reappeared. So eventually a priest come in and you know, they blessed
the house and it eventually went away, this type of activity. But as
for the you know, I am, you know, I would describe myself
as an alien abductee from infancy. I'm a mill lab which is a military
abductee. And also, you know, I guess a spiritual experiencer, which
is all tied in with this phenomena. So it incorporates, you know,
the m ibs men in black you know, the shadow people, demonic energies
and other types of entities along with military projects. So it but for me,
I guess it started with the you know, on the alien side of
it would be when I was aged four, Sean was aged six, and
we had an experience ourselves where we were where we witnessed what would you know
now be called a daylight disc, you know, the the classical saucer shaped
craft. So you know, I talk about that briefly in my book as
I go through each narrative, each story, and then you know, much
later on a little bit after that, I, you know, I had
experiences. One experience that I had that that I took about in the book
is when me and Sean are playing in school grounds and then we go off
and play in the school itself. It's a summer holidays, you know,
it's a very hot day. My parents, my dad at the time,
would have been working in the school with clingers, you know, whilst they're
getting the school ready over a period of weeks, six weeks, and then
he goes he goes into the house to have a bike to eat. Me
and Sean go into the school, into the main school and we play ide
and seek. Remember in the book, I explained that I go off to
you know, to hide, and Shawn's counting. Somewhere in between that Sean
stops counting. He gets to you know, at number five into ten,
and then I suddenly, you know, I come out. At first,
I don't. I think he's trying to trick me, you know, to
get me to come out, to reveal where I'm hiding, so I don't
come out straight away, but there's just total silence, and then i'd eventually
do come out out and I see my brother looking what would be through two
doors that lead led into the you know, where the gymnasium equipment would be,
and he's just staring into space what I think is into space until I
walk towards him and he says, what's that? What is it? And
then when I looked to where he's pointing, inside the school hall itself,
there's a piano and there is this strange looking creature standing there just staring at
us, just looking at us, whilst we're looking at it. You know,
during those times, there was nothing that we would associate with this type
of creature, you know, growing up, I mean, you know,
we just didn't have any influences like that around us, especially in the nineteen
seventies and in a in an Irish community, Catholic community, you know,
our days were mostly associated with going to the church or anything to do related
to the church and the school. And this creature would look like I guess
today, which would look closely in the resemblance of what you would find in
close encounters of the third kind, you know, the the creature that comes
out from underneath the big ship. Who is you know, I guess the
leader. The only difference is this this one had huge black eyes, and
it had it was very tall, and they had long, spinderly arms and
spindly legs. And at the point of watching it or just staring at it,
somewhere in between that we went into I guess, an altered state of
consciousness, you know, and everything anything around us, like sounds or anything
that vanished, you know. And as I explained to people, you know,
I guess it would be called you know, the OZ factor, which
was coined by the you know, the British UFO researcher Jennie Randalls. She
coined that phrase the OS factor, and so and then I, you know,
from looking back, I would say that we did have a lot of
time. So when I eventually come out of this, you know, I
felt a I was disorientated. I was scared looking through at the you know,
it's almost like when somebody wakes you up when you've been sleepwalking and you
don't know where you are really, and so I'm looking still at where this
creature was, but now the creature's gone. My brother, you know,
he's still in this type of state of consciousness. But when he eventually snaps
out of it, you know, there's this feeling of dread, feeling of
terror that you need to get away from this location quickly. So then we
run back to the way that we come into the school, because we were
going to go back to the house to tell our parents. But when we
were going, when we were going out towards the doors we come in,
my dad was coming in and then he come up to us, and it
was sewn that explained that there was something in the school. There wasn't huge
human, and for a short moment he was you know, my dad,
he was like looking at our faces to see if we were just kidding with
him, but obviously he could see that we wasn't, so he went off
to investigate, I guess, you know, not looking for anything that's not
human, but looking for an intruder. But when he went off, he
come back a little while later, and he couldn't find anything. And as
he said that, the doors were still bolted from the inside, there were
there was no windows stop and there was no glass broken, so you know,
there was nothing near really, I mean, he just said to us
after that, you know, to just go off and play again. Just
stay close to the house so that you know, we can be we can
be seeing so you know, these so there was a there was a series
of events that if me and Sean didn't counter have, you know, have
experiences together. But then these I don't know if Sean continue to have these
experiences, you see, but I did. Mine continued and they still continue
to this day. And most of the experiences I had were not positive experiences.
So you know, this is basically what I am. You know,
I talk about in my book, I talk I go. You know,
the book's more than just I'm not just telling it. I'm you know,
it goes into my life a little bit more so that the reader can have
a little more insight into who I am. So there's the book's got a
lot of detail in it, you know, in some places, in some
some of it what I write about it is quite sensitive, you know,
so it goes into other issues that are for some people may not think it's
related to high strangeness. But in book two, which I'm writing now,
it explains more why do I put that in? And now I associated with
the me leab programs. I guess the training of the oh m hm.
So do you think that that was pre planned or they took notice that,
you know, maybe ships were attracted to your home that the government can see,
like you know who who the ets or whatever are watching and then kind
of come in to see those kind of things versus because you said, you
think there's something that happened when you were born, right, this crossing over,
this passing of a torch or something, and then you start having these
encounters when you're a child. You know, the whole my lab thing or
when they get you know, the military induced abductions is what the my labs
are. And so from my study, it's it's been a huge I see
them as trying to hijack the phenomena to keep tabs or even the create fear
in hysteria, so that you won't lean into it, that you won't see
it as something pleasant versus something that was created, like your first initial encounter
being a my lab or was it? I mean, what do you think
I mean? I did have in the beginning, which I do talk about.
I did have experiences what we're now known to be the classical Nordics,
you know, the tall blonde athletic. These were the first one I had
contact with, and you know, for a while they the experiences seemed quite
good. And eventually when they did vanish from my life, it was then
that I had the what we now know as the grades and the grays are
they're not good. They don't have your interests, they don't have the best
interests of people, our hearts. We know that the military, you work
with them and you know, in some cases work against them. But the
you know, from my understanding the things and what I've been told from outside
of the body is that the you know, the degrades do like when you
come, when you return here, we have contracts that we agree to.
These contracts you know, to in a way like ballpoint like bullet points,
to cross off certain things in order to grow spiritually, you know, with
our associations with people, and there's a lot of the time, as the
archage will say, you know, human beings of choice. You know,
we don't we don't judge them. It's a choice you make, and whatever
choices you make in this in these situation determine basically how you grow spiritually or
or you're just remain static, I guess until your awareness increases, or you
know, you hope in your heart more to forgive. You know, people
that you have experiences with that in some cases are there too, you know,
for us to grow spiritually. But in this case, though, I
know that the from lifetime to lifetime we have you know, we with some
of us come through certain bloodlines we have we you know, some of us
go, especially star Seeds, they go through the you know, the ancient
mystery schools to learn certain you know, certain things, and some of them
follow military lines that you know, what would I guess what could be considered
what now what they call super soldiers, you know the Vikings for example,
that they were considered to some degree by the Roman soldiers, you know,
super in that they were their skill sets were very highly developed. You know,
you had the Knights Templar again that were spiritually evolved and associated with various
you know, super brotherhoods. But what what I find with that is that
they the grace the abduction program is it's a lifelong program that's been going on
for centuries. So the same people are are re selected over and over and
over again. It's very difficult once you're on the programs to get off of
them. And normally when you're on them and it happens, it will happen
to you. It can happen to you as a baby in the womb.
You can be monitored by this means, as an infant, as a child,
teenager, young adults, mature adults, and very much so leading into
death. The programs go on and continue for you. But what happens is
is when you come back here a lot of the time you have epheric implants
that are inside you know, your biochemical field or you know what's surrounding your
body. These you know even then you pass into if you want spirit,
when you return it and you have a different body, I mean the grades
called these containers, the implants. When you come back it, they switch
on the game. So the Grays and probably other types of beings as well.
But in this case the grades, because it's the abduction programs we're talking
about, they are able to then detect you and monitor you a gang,
so you're then automatically brought back into these programs. So, you know,
for the military, though I don't think the military are so much jeopardies in
them. There's more working with them. We know that the Grays and the
military of you know, the deep underground military basis, and they work often
side by side and very much so with many other races that don't have the
best interests of human beings at heart. A lot of these projects and programs
go back before biblical times. You know, the earth is very much a
place of interest for a lot of these you know, negative if you want
racist, they have a lot of they have a lot of isness in these
places. You know, they do human trafficking. You know that we've got
the body parts that are associated with these type of beings. You know,
the rabbit goes really deep, and some people don't want to see what's down
that rabbit or because some of it's not very nice. But on the flip
side of the Quinn, there are positive beings here as well that are interested
and very much concerned with our wealth, spiritual welfare. And you know,
eventually you'll see much more of these, you know, as we push out
the negative ones you know as the vibration, planetary vibration, and each one
of us our energy fields increase, become much more lighter and vibrant. You'll
see more of these beings, you know, as I was told outside the
body to push them out of the earth with frequency, you know, from
the heart, I guess from a higher frequency, because you know, some
of these type of beings can't stay within that energy. So you know,
this is how we were how we will move forward, I guess, mhm,
yeah. When the the men in Black experience has happened, Like,
how was that for you? You know, when did you first notice that
you were being observed by by humans? You know in the men in black
phenomen the many the man in Black happened for me after the the entity that
we see in the school all me and Sean so sewn. On this particular
I was in the house alone on this particular night. My parents were would
have being in the garage which would have been adjacent to the house. They
were actually laying tiles, floor tiles, and Seawn was with them at the
time when I was in the house on my own in the kitchen and I
observed, you know, I didn't know what it was back then. I
observed this strange looking man staring at me in the other room, dressed fully
in black, and you know, it was just at the time, just
watching me. I don't know if there anything happened in between that, but
I do talk about this in the book and how I felt, and you
know, it goes into much more detail in there. But there are there
have been other times that I've had, you know, other experiences with the
MIBs, you know, outside of the body. So you know, as
I explained to people a lot of my abductions that I went on to have
through my life where outside of the body, you know, the grays can
take you. They can force your you know, your your e feric body
or your astral body outside, they can move it outside. You know,
some of the abductions that have happened in especially in the United States, on
loan roads, you know, people driving in the middle of the night or
feel the need to get up and go drive in somewhere, then encounter a
ship you know, you have the you know, the grays, and sometimes
you have a beam of light that comes from these craft, you know,
often often hitting the driver or passenger, and then they feel that they're moving
through the glass. You know, this is an out of body experience where
they're forced to come out of their body and then they experienced that missing time
and then they're suddenly back in their body driving on a road, maybe in
the wrong direction. You know that this was often the case, you know,
back in the sixties and seventies, maybe the fifties of them, but
we didn't really understand them what that type of technology was. You know.
I think we're becoming much more aware now. You know, we a lot
of us know what out of body experiences are. I'm a natural projector so
in my me lab projects, I would come under an astraut operative that are
used, you know, for various activities outside of the body. You know,
some people have natural abilities and that, and I think we can all.
But as I stress, doesn't make me special in any way, shape
or form. You know, some people say to me, well, Michael,
you're special, You've been chosen. Let me just clarify. I don't
feel that I'm special, and I don't feel chosen because a lot, as
I said, a lot of my experiences are not good, have not been
good. And although I do have a natural ability to do certain things,
every one of us can do that. It's just learning how to do it
again, that's all. Like remote viewing. Everyone could do that. Everyone
can travel outside the body. It's just a case of learning. I mean,
we do it when we're sleeping. You know, this is where dreams
come from. It's just that we remember them a lot of the time with
symbols. You know everyone you know, even if you come outside your body
and you're in your immediate location above your just floating above your body or in
the you know, in the room where you are. But you can obviously
travel outside through the roof, you know where the walls and fly around your
locations, or you know, enter through portals into other dimensions. And everyone
can do it. But there are some locations you're not allowed to go.
It's just not allowed to go to them. But you'll know once you get
to them, and where you can and can't what you can and can't do.
Do you think that some of this phenomena, whether it's my lab or
whether it's abduction, because I'm sure you're aware. I mean, I don't
know all of your story, but like you know, whenever these things happen,
you're not really cognitive in the moment. It's almost like you're drunk or
whatever, like a little bit. It's just like you you remember it afterwards,
like you know what I'm saying, So you remember it the next day
or a dream or day javu, something happens. Do you think that this
could be a type of the phenomena where people talk about having these downloads where
like they're all automatically they know all of this stuff, like they're taken and
trained in, whether it's on a ship, whether it's in another dimension wherever
a secret school. If you will that you know, you don't get it
just then. You don't wake up knowing everything. Sometimes you do right but
comes to you later like this epiphany, this download of knowledge that it seems
like it's instant, but you were being taught while you were asleep or taken
off off world and taught. Well, a lot of the time, you
know, that's correct what we're saying. I mean, a lot of the
time we are, you know, especially star seats. You know, there's
a lot more star seats waking up now. They're learning who they are and
they're learning there ever they have, you know, connected with the star systems.
You know, they've been here before a star seats. And we very
much do get taken outside of the body, you know, but you know,
let's just move away a little bit from the negative ones a minute,
because let's go more into the positive ones. So a lot of the positive
stuff. If we do get moved outside of the body, we do go
to certain locations to be trained or to be re educated in what we already
know. It's a case of just remembering. Really, I mean, we
have we have this and their DNA, and I think it'll be much more
apparent to star seeds as we go on, you know, as we move
forward into what would be you know, I guess a greater spiritual destiny for
the Earth then what we've previously had. And when I think we reached that
stage, it's not yet, but when we do, we'll never go back.
We'll never return to what we have with what we were. You know,
we just want to go further and further and further. But yeah,
we do get we do get uploads and downloads and I mean, but if
we return to the abduction stuff, the abduction stuff's a little bit different.
I mean, we do you know some of my memories, as to say,
my book then Mark and memories, they're very clear and I do remember
quite a lot, but there is also fragmented memories. So it's like you
might go to you might remember the beginning or the end, you might meet
in the middle, but very much. Yeah, there is fragmented memories as
well. And you know, I think there could be two reasons for that.
I think one it could be natural in that the mind is protecting us
from you know, from trauma. But I do also know, you know,
with with the Grays especially and the military, they create screen memories which
are deliberately put in front of your mind so that you're you, you know,
you don't remember the full story, so they're able to then to carry
on with their insidious you know, activities hidden the way in the dark.
But the more that we speak about this phenomena, the more that we you
know, we we make people aware. So you know, so I'm as
an abductee and a meal lab you know, as I go on in my
podcasts that I've been doing and hopefully, you know, some conferences. Maybe
later on I will be I will be more vocal in my my talks about
the meal aand projects and programs, and we'll be teaming up with other meal
laps. I'm also an advocate at the moment, as I said, of
the mental and emotional side of this type of phenomena and what happens to abductees.
I'm very passionate about that and very protective obviously, but not only of
abductees. It's happening, you know, in the paranormal, is happening with
crypt zoology. You know, there's there's a whole lot of the phenomena.
But you know, in the past we separated it, didn't we We've put
them in, you know, one there and one day and one there.
But now we know that this all this phenomena is some way connected. It's
all related to one another. And so it's just doing the research really and
trying to see what each one of us. You know, each one of
us old the puzzle. We hold the jigs, you know the parts of
the puzzle. I guess you know yourself and many of the people listening.
We hold valuable piece man. And that's why these talks and this lessons are
huge, you know, of just talking. You know, so we're doing
sharing stories and and you find out that you're not alone. And that's one
of the biggest things too. You know, you're talking about being there for
the people that are going through it. The simple fact of letting them know
that they're not alone, you know that they're that they're broken, or that
they're you know, you know, they don't have nobody to talk to about
any of this stuff. So putting yourself out there strategically even it works wonders
for helping people. And I love I love being able to do that.
And you know, hear the responses back from some of the stuff that I
do. Like I even recently, I had an amazing connection that I made.
So I do music as well, So I do spiritual rap, and
I put a lot of the stuff in my music. So I put a
lot of I talk about UFOs and you know, all everything in there.
And so I just put out a new song recently and in it I just
mentioned it in passing. I said, some people like the party gets to
date it to the long gone me. I hunt for UFOs and filming with
my cell phone and I just threw it in there and I just kept it
moving, you know, and then and I do it intentionally. It's a
cool little verse, but I'm like, I really that's what I do.
I have fun doing it, and you know, contact me if you do
too to listen to that. Yeah, I'll send it to you. But
there was a guy who heard it and in Canada who has been having encounters
his whole life and filming them and all types of things, and he doesn't
have anybody to talk to, like he doesn't he doesn't have any friends,
he doesn't have people online, which we're working to make this normal, right,
to make this where everybody doesn't you don't feel weird to talk about your
experiences. And so it was so cool because he reached out to me.
I have a lot of people reaching out, too many people to reach out
that I can talk to. That's why we need more people in this.
But he reached out and I wrote him back and we got to talking and
he is like, man, I didn't know there was anybody else who goes
out and does it. So it's just so awesome to be able to strategically
even through a song lyric, you know, or through a podcast you know
what I'm saying, just help help people, to let them know that you
know, that they're not alone. It really does speak volumes and to tell
them like there is a time to talk about it and when not to talk
about it right on the podcast. Let's talk about it at the dinner table
for Thanksgiving maybe not, you know, and that's where people get put in
the institutions and get black labeled by the family. And we need to be
there for those people and still be able to teach how to you know,
zip it when you need to. There is a time to talk about football,
to talk about your job or something. Right. But yeah, it's
really helping people, it's very much. Yeah, I truly agree with what
you said. And music's a great way of doing it, you know,
and because the people like to listen to music. But when you're putting that
in, it could be also you know, like this guy could be oh
wait, wow, you know, maybe could reach out to this guy,
this guy and make no some that you can touch him. And this is
what's happened. I maybe you're going to get a lot more of that.
It's a it's a wonderful way to do it. Congratulations to you on that,
Yeah, it's awesome. Just any art, you know, and this
is an art. Conversation is an art, you know, extracting questions out
of out of people that they haven't talked about, you know what I'm saying,
Like writing a book, all of this is ways to get the information
out. And especially music too, Like there's so many people that came before
us who like that wasn't their thing, like the only thing they were known
for. But there where you know, David Bowie has the song Starman,
like there's a lot of stuff sprinkled throughout. I know, I'm an Incubist
fan, the band Incubist, and he talks about I'm counting UFOs and I
signaled them with my lighter and in this moment, I'm happy. It's little
bitty things that are like just that song is not about UFOs, but it's
just sprinkled in there to be like maybe you know something that you know,
but you know what though, you know, as a musician yourself, you
must I was talking about this the other day about musicians. Musicians do seem
to have a high level of you know, interest in this, in these
subjects, or they have you know, when you get to talk to them,
they have their own experiences about it. So so you know, there's
the music and you know it has an importance in this field, and I
think you know, and I think like people like yourself, you'll be able
to push that forward much more profoundly. Yeah, and mine is all that.
So it's kind of niche, like, Okay, I'm not doing somethings
about women and all that, like all my stuff is about spirituality. But
it is cool too when when you see a celebrity, a mainstream person song
and there's there's so much out there, it's really cool too. And it's
probably it's maybe just a one liner, but it's something deeper is there.
And there's so many that helped that helped me because that I didn't you know,
to listen to those songs and and there's there's pieces of the puzzle that
are sprinkled out. You know, it's out there. But do you feel
sometimes when you're when you're writing the music, do you feel sometimes you're being
channeled you're channeling? Yeah? Do you feel like sometimes it's just flowing and
sometimes it's not coming from you or maybe it's coming from an eye aspect of
you, like your oversaw. Yeah, for sure, especially in hindsight,
like after the fact it's out and I'm like, you know, there's no
way. I like, that's too good, like because it's weird, because
it speaks to me. It's like someone else even speaking to me personally.
You know, Hey, you're not alone. Great things are coming. You
know what I'm saying, don't give up. It's one one thing to speak
it to people, but it's something that's God. You know, it's the
universe echoing it to us. So to be a part of that, to
be a conduit for that, you know what I'm saying, That energy,
that hope, that creativity is priceless. But yeah, I definitely I'll tell
you this. This is what I've been experiencing lately as because there's power in
writing, even the books and all of that. I'll write some stuff about
my experiences and about my beliefs one way, and it may be very surface
level, but it sounds deep and profound. But for me, I just
meant something in passing and then I recorded write it, put it out.
It goes out into the atmosphere people saying it right. And then later like
those same lyrics, I experienced them at a way deeper level of like a
dimension if you will, Like you know, I'm meant it at the surface,
but then I experienced it time ten. You know that that I didn't
even know was like really possible. So that's been interesting to write something created
and then it comes back, you know, to visit you at a deeper
level. You know. Have you always had that? Have you always had
this feeling to to you know, to be creative in this way? Yeah,
but you know, we just we don't know that we can kind of
work with the universe, you know what I'm saying, to create something to
put it. It was just like you know, being expressive, and then
the things come back, your words come back to visit you. You know,
as you think, as you speak, you're creating. It's a part
of the magical beings that we are. But yeah, once you know,
like hold on, it's a thing. You can experiment with it and get
better at it. That's when it gets interesting. It's very much like what
the archangels say, there is about your you knows as being a human being
was to a human being for us to make those choices, you know,
we we have a choice and how we want to present ourselves and how we
want, you know, as conduct as you know, mediums to focus this
energy through us for other people to experience it, you know, and and
for a lot of us, you know, like yourself and others listening.
We choose to do it in a positive way to help others, you know,
and to heal ourselves and others and to educate others. But you know,
but as a collective consciousness, but individuals doing it. But we are
a collective consciousness as well, that we are all experiencing this together and we
all want really, you know, I think a lot of us now are
on the same page. We all want the same things. We don't want
this control by endowments and you know, and then telling us what we need
or what's good for us. You know, we're spiritual beings. We're adults
where where you know where to some degree immortal, you know, And you
know, I eventually I will talk about immortality as well. And you know
I am a I am an alchemist from you know, which continues on through
through bloodlines. You know. But the military seek, especially in these projects,
you know, they're very much interested in trans trans humanism, so you
know, using eye official intelligence and the biology to create immortal beings, but
you know, they because they can't reach the true essence of immortality. You
know, it goes through and through initiations for a process that you have to
follow, and a lot of the time it goes from lifetime to lifetime.
But everyone, human beings, everyone has the ability to achieve this, and
and they're very much helped outside the body, you know what we're what you
were saying, you know, do we go to these locations there? We
do, we go to these locations. But the more spiritual way you become,
the much more help you'll get in doing this, you know, because
of the beings outside of the body, they want you to have this knowledge.
And why shouldn't you have you know, of divine essence? And why
wouldn't Why wouldn't we want to have that to better ourselves than our world and
and the environment around us. We don't need, we don't need all the
other stuff, thank you very much. Yep. And that's that's always been
the trick. These are you know, these these are cycles and yeah,
and and respiraling and the spiral repeats and we've seen this all before. This
isn't nothing. There's nothing new under the sun. The people spirits don't die,
you know, they're just reborn and put into a different best if you
will, the whole reincarnation thing or now you know, there is certain things
that that die, you know, and get cast off, and it's usually
the dark stuff. That's from my study, in my research and really the
biblical and ancient text, it's like the wicked, the dark souls that sin
against humanity, like they they get deleted at some point. So hence this
so called transhumanism thing of like, hey, we don't want to die because
we're probably not coming back kind of thing, so let's tap into immortality here,
and you know, maybe yeah, they exactly. I mean with the
transhumanism projects though they've you know, they've created artificial worlds really, but they
need souls to inhabit those, you know, to go to those worlds.
But like you said, they're not they're not planning on kind that way.
They're not planning and going into the like that they want that, so they
have to create their own artificial worlds where but of course in order to do
that, they have to live somehow. So that's why I agree in this
technology and you know, they've got very very advanced technology. You know,
civilians have no idea what technology they have. It's way way beyond what they
think that we what we possess. I mean with a lot of the technology,
which is alien technology as well. They've got technology that could change the
world pretty quick. They could change the environment, they could get rid of
home listeners, they could help people that are struggling with their mental health emotionally
with diseases. But they're worthholding it this technology. But whilst we're doing these
podcasts with your music and other musicians and people awakening, you know, we
can do something about this. Yeah, we think that, you know,
the government should should help and should or the churches you know what I'm saying,
should help, but they they're not and they don't. You know,
it's like the ball is in our hands because we're waiting for help. But
you are. You are the help, Like you are the help that everybody's
looking for to tap in to. Remember like you said, sure, remember
the ancient healing technologies, the ancient tones and frequencies that that delete depression.
You know what I'm saying, like all of that and it's available and it's
coming back to us. We're having dreams of this. We're being taught this,
but you know, we're all we're waiting, like, why doesn't the
church pick it up? Why doesn't the government teach this in school? Why
don't they teach about nutrition? And why they only treat disease and not help
prevent it. You know, these kind of things, and you can see
it because you're supposed to be the one to step up and do it.
They're not going to do it. They're in it for profit and really don't
care about you. You know, they don't know, they don't you're right,
I mean that, you know, the churches. I mean this is
not to say I mean there are good people in churches and individuals, but
a lot of the time, you know, again they caught up in the
in the the deception. They don't really know. They think they're doing good.
You know, they do their own good in their own ways. Overall
for the you know, for the establishments or those yeah, as good as
they can, they do good. Some people do good, but the overall,
the overall establishments they don't care. I mean, they don't want to
help people wait in that base. That's not it's not what they want.
You know, they'll lose out on lots of stuff. If they do that,
so then it's you know, so then it's us as communities to come
together and to build, you know, a new world for ourselves. I
mean, we're using ancient knowledge and you know, in some degree in some
aspects of you know, spiritual technology, and you know, and technology is
just a piece really of you know, equipment. It can be used either
way, can't it to help or to hinder, you know. But for
us, we want to help. We want to you know, we want
to you know, create something beautiful, something better for for all of us,
you know. And if they don't want to be part of that,
and let them go off into their own city of little worlds and if they're
you know, do whatever is what they want to do there and leave us
to it. Yeah. Yeah, as long as I'm here, as long
as I have access, I'm gonna try my best and encourage others to do
the same. And it is working. There is no trying, you know,
It's like Yoda, there is no try, just do it man and
more. Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, that's the right,
that's the way forward. But I think that you were saying about frequencies,
there's going to be a lot more about frequencies coming out as we go forward,
you know, and for somebody like yourself, that's going to be amazing
as well. Oh yeah, No, I'm already experimenting with it in my
music and you know, creating meditation music and things like that, and really
experimented with it in my life first so that I can Yeah, you know,
I can't just read a book or whatever. How can we practice this?
How can I How can I, you know, be a scientist to
get results, like you know of healing of growth. Even there's so much
out there man, that all the technology, it's there, and it's natural.
It's natural, it's in the it's in you know. You said that
once you once you can like see more, believe more, be trusted with
more, then more's given to you and and they'll work with you more and
in different ways, right, the good ones, even in the bad ones
too. The more darker you become, the more dark energy they're gonna call
upon you to create in the world. But you start to see I say,
there hand or the hand of God, whatever you want to call it.
You start to see it in everything. So it's not just in the
ship, you know what I'm saying, Because most of the time, you
can't even see a ship, so you've got to be able to feel or
hear or whatever. So there is a little bit. Now you've got to
practice. Okay, I feel something's going on. I hear ringing in my
ears. That tone that I've been experimenting with it. It's in my ear
every morning from five to six am, and then it goes away. What
is it? And it's up for you to experiment and research and find out
what it is and get good at it, and then you can share and
teach others how to do it. And it's in everything that we look at.
And that's been the most profound and fun thing for me lately, because
in our minds we have certain things that are like this is this is where
they are. This is the cool part. The cool part is when a
ship comes down. Well, if a ship comes down a good guy,
they might get shot shot down, and so they can't speak to you that
way, but they are they are in tune with the animals. They are
in tune with the insects. So learn to speak their language. Hey,
that's where I've been, you know, doing that and allowing the animals and
the birds and the wind and the water and everything the elements to teach you,
and that's been next level and not looking at it as something mundane or
that's just a bird, or that's just the wind. No, no,
no, yeah, yeah, I agree totally with you. You know,
I'm on the same page as you with all that. And I think pretty
much that most of the people are you know, are really that listening to
your music, that are listening to you know what we're what we're talking about.
You know, we want the same thing. You know, we're learning
and we're opening our hearts to a better understanding of ourselves and what's better for
for our world. I mean the powers that be, you know that they
don't have the same interests as us as for the planet. You know,
they want to hold it back. They want it for themselves. You know,
when you have a new wave of energy or not a new wave of
an ancient wave of energy resurfacing on this planet, you know it's going to
be hard for them to stop that. Yeah, it's it's because the thing
is, you know, the every every every now and again, like you
said, we have these waves of energy and we you know, we experienced
this and the planetary body itself evolves, even if we don't actually see it,
it does evolve. You know, they're stopping what they're doing is stopping
natural law. So if the planet is ready to evolve, and you know,
not everyone, but a greater part hopefully of the Earth of human beings
evolved with that energy, you know that there's going to be other beings out
there that won't be too happy about that. The Earth itself won't be happy
about that, because you know, they want to go to the next level,
you know. So I think what we're looking at though, eventually is
pretty much checkmate for a lot of these darker energies that have existed for a
long time here. It's time now to you know, to knock them off
the board so that we can continue our own spiritual destiny. You know.
But going forward, when always said and done, I think, you know,
we've got a great future. Yeah. Yeah, we have to be
the ones to override that narrative, you know, because it's just a belief.
It's just you know, whatever you believe, you receive. If you
believe that's there's negativity coming and it's about the end, and your energy is
going to project, you're going to project it out of you, because that's
how powerful you are. And if you have negative enough platform or loud enough
mouth, you'll get others to believe you. There's negativity there, but negativity
doesn't necessarily mean the end game negativity is. Oh see, there's always you
know, different forces opposed in one another. But it's how you deal with
that and what we can do with it because we're having you know, because
for instance, you know, you're having I've had lots of dark stuff happening
to me. I still do, but and there is a butt I choose
not to allow it to take me over. I have the choice to say
no to it, you know, to rise above it to help others.
And that's what I'm doing for my books and from my thoks, you know,
and meeting like minded people I think sometimes sole families like yourself. You
know, we're all coming together now for the same reasons and enough's enough.
Yeah, yeah, very much. So. Yeah, I'm you know,
it's hard to be hopeful sometimes, but I totally am. You know,
you have to be. I've been both, and that's how you know that
you can choose right now. You can experiment with it. If you've expected
bad stuff, if you've done bad stuff. If you've expected good stuff and
you've done good stuff, then you know that, Okay, I can choose,
you know, to bring something beautiful to this world. You know,
we can take the dark, we can take dark energys experiences. We can
then you know, we can take the good stuff from the bad. What
we've learned from that, you know, the knowledge and the wisdom, and
then we can use that as a choice to make better decisions, so we
don't have to follow their bloody narrative. You know, we can. You
know, we can do a lot good and I mean each one of us,
you know, as human beings, we do have these universal traits.
We have universal experiences and that's often especially with music, that's what brings us
together as you know, as one. Yeah, and I don't think they
have that there a lot of these other races don't have that. Human beings
are unique and a lot of the planetary bodies and even multi dimensional we are
unique in what we can do and also in our future potential to do better,
you know, much better than I guess a lot of other planetary bodies.
We just are, you know, we're very we are very close to
you know what, if you want to quit God or creation or the creator.
We have a we have a you know, we have a good relationship.
Should we say with that with the creator with the creative energy? M
hm. You know, so as each one of us, you know,
each one of us are again we'll look into too good. We're looking to
do something that's really really special. Yep, it hits different. I always
say it hits different when we do it. You know, there's one and
that's that's the power of a narrative. Like I don't think that they have
any power really, you know, but they can. Like the true power
is to convince us that they do, yeah, and then to get us
to voice their narrative, you know what I'm saying. And there's a lot
of people who do that. As far as like the end of the world
scenarios, evil is there's only evil in this world is cursed, this world
is negative, there's only demons run it. No, let's you know,
there's a portion in parts of it. But yeah, but like how about
if you change your wording, there's parts that that angels run too. You
know, there's there's things and it depends on what you're focusing on. And
then when you say it you create it, and they do have. I
mean, there is evil in the world. We know this, you know,
we see it every day, you know, and there's evil that exists
outside of a lot of the boundaries of you know what I'm saying every general
public exactly. But but what you're saying is, yeah, it's true.
I mean, you know there is that, but there's the other side.
I'm not putting my head in the saying and say that all that know,
everything's happening right now, and then you have to choose what you want to
bring in or what you want to focus on. And what you're saying is
correct. They want us, they do have some sort of power over over
people, but that's not the end. That's not the end of the story
that they want you to think they got more over you. The bottom line
is the using technology, but it's not the end game within the world where
we're still we're still going to win. Yeah you kind of you just kind
of breaking up there, But I did hear what you technology technology to control.
But we're still going to win, and that's that's what we need to
know. But yeah, they exactly, you know, they they have technology.
I mean even with the me like projects and programs and the you know,
you had the Montop project and the Monarch project, and there's so many
projects you know to name here, but a lot of the time it is
you know, they do use technology in a way that can control human mind
and human being. It does work. But as we said before, going
back to you know, what I described as source code, this is something
that they're looking for in Star Seats. They can't find it. They will
never find it. That's another show in itself. But and they want us
to think that we are less than what we are, that we don't know
nothing, that we can't control their own destinies, that we you know,
that they need to lead us by the hand as their slaves and stuff.
But it's nothing could be further from the truth. And I think as we
go forward, everyone that's awakening will becoming aware, especially star Seats you know,
that have their you know, they have their mission objectives to do here
from the creator. And you know, people will see more and more.
Now this is all smoke and mirrors. We human beings individually as a collective
have so much more power, you know, and and choice to do better
and not to you know, it's not to put up with their rubbish regardless,
you know, I mean, you know, we've all suffered in some
way, shape or form in our lives and you know, but again it
doesn't mean that we have to be angry or bitter. We can do we
can be better. Yeah, try to make you better, but we've grown
better. Man. Hey, I've enjoyed this talk. Man. Where can
people go to find out? You know, get your book and and you
know, find out more about what you got going on. And my books
available as usual on Amazon. It's on paperback, i'd cover, it's on
audio, and it's on Kindle and kindleell unlimited. But you can reach me
on my email if you want to reach out to me. It's Michael Cameron
lower Keys twenty twenty three at gmail dot com. And also, you know,
you can find me on the Amazon itself, got my own site on
their author's page. You can tap onto and to see any updates on there
of any future projects that will be doing coming up. Or you can find
me on Facebook, which is Michael Cameron when that's Cameron with a K,
and you can reach out to me on there if you if you want to
to have a chat or to share experiences hecky. Well, guys, make
sure you check in with him. Check out his work. Go to his
Kindle Amazon page follow his work there. You can follow and get the updates
and all that good stuff. Check out his book there and appreciate it.
Man, Thanks for coming on and keep doing what you're doing. Man,
you know, share your story and you know, a little goes a long
way. I'd like to listen to some of your music, yeah, man,
just type in Truth Seeker on any platform and the newest that song,
the newest one is called I Can't Unspeakable is the new EP. It's four
songs, but that one song of we shot a music video for it's it's
a cool video, but it's called Lonely Road and it just talks about feeling
walking this road, feeling like it's lonely, but we're not alone. And
we got friends in high classes, we got friends with us, you know.
But it's even though it feels lonely, we're not alone kind of thing.
And yeah, but I've done that. I've done so many songs over
the years that just talk about all of this phenomena, you know, summoning
UFOs and dream state stuff, astral projection, you know, all the fun
stuff and the and the dark stuff too. We talk about the demons and
the you know, the wicked government and all that kind of stuff. So
check it out, man, for sure. It's it's like a music for
the movement. It's a soundtrack for spirituality. I love that. Hey,
I enjoyed it, man, Yes, thank you and thank you. Speak
to you later, blessing and to you bye.