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Good morning, friends and friends,
I am Julio Pérez and this is the

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train of life, a radio adventure
along the routes of the heart. I

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want to invite you to travel with
me and dream together in a better world,

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a different world where men and women
of good will can live in peace

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and freedom. The train of life
is a magaxine of good news and hope.

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This is a radio time specially designed
for people like you and like so

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many truth seekers, of the only
truth that can make us authentic free come

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on, I invite you to travel
with us on the safest train of all,

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which will certainly take you to safe
harbour. This is the train of

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life. Or very good morning,
Spain, good day, friends and friends,

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from the place Rincón del Solar,
country of Barcelona, for all the

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towns and cities of Spain, this
wonderful country, our, this mosaic of

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cultures that is Spain. Let'
s go there, let' s walk

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together, traveling at train rate.
Let' s go with me, ladies,

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gentlemen and gentlemen, ladies, of
course, welcome to this traveling train.

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I keep remembering it because it'
s no small thing. Thirty-

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two long years are not five,
not ten or twenty that would already be

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a record. Let' s see
me. I want to self apply something,

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but I think that some kind of
prize has to be recognized that we

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have been traveling with many friends and
I tell you in these thirty- two

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years, since a thousand nine hundred
and ninety- two in the spring,

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just as now really, in April
of a thousand nine hundred and ninety-

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two, in the spring, in
the previous of the Olympic Games of Spain

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and the Universal Year of the Expo
of Seville. There was the train of

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life. Already and during the Olympic
Games we interviewed some plus marquis who were

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evangelicals, that we had it by
sport via telephone, some even face-

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to- face in study to athletics
of various athletic disciplines that good, that

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they gave testimony of their faith and
such and of the Games that in itself

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was, because it is the great
quotation of most remarkable of the world sport.

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The Olympic Games that this year will
be in Paris are almost at the

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door. No, but the truth
is, he' s here by the

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side of the house. We won' t see if we can make some

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capes. I don' t know
anyway, this is another harinea from another

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postcard. But the question is that
we have spoken with I do not exaggerate

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with many have been and are recurring, because we have reached out to many

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friends, journalists, writers, artists, theologians, pastors, ordinary people who

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have things to tell us. We
have been told testimonies of lives transformed in

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an amazing way countless of them,
but we have also had doctors, doctors

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specialists in all disciplines and good psychologists, psychiatrists, etcetera. An endless number

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of characters from all disciplines and,
of course, Christian pastors, evangelicals and

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pastors, since many clearly yes,
counselors, relatives, masters in family terapaya,

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well an endless, all kinds of
specialties and we have approached. I

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believe that almost all the issues that
have been and have been and now,

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we continue, we continue thirty-
two years later. Yes, it is

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true that when I have not been
able or can not because I am travelling

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or I am on the Moon or
Jupiter, or on Mars or somewhere else,

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because obviously, we have made a
pre- recorded. We have not

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put on a pre- recording by
selecting some of the best programs, as

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we do occasionally, but we have
never, ever, ever missed the appointment.

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Three hours of Magaxin every week.
Well, that' s what you

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celebrate with me and say. Well
then, may Christ live and may God

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bless. This you know. Spanish
television, the good news program of Spanish

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television. He gave us a monographic
program that will be released at the end

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of June also this June. He
gave us a monographic program of people who

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have known the Lord some socially outstanding
people. There are all normal and ordinary

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people, which is the world.
It' s full of ordinary people.

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But we selected a man, socially
very prominent, who met the gentleman through

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this program, SERGEI Barnills, who
has a program here on our station.

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Also fortnightly of art and very beautiful
Bible and unwritten art is and he bears

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witness and such is a man,
for very famous in Europe and his pictorial

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work, that one of his last
most award- winning works was Mara Nata.

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That was an occurrence he had of
the lord and he set off and

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amazed himself and strangers and has won
awards with that one of his last pictorial

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works. But he is and appears, because personal the one that we are

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here collaborators, a vitco server there
with my friend, this Ballozano, the

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director of the program of Good News
television And well, all the report was

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done all morning we were here of
recordings and well, by the end of

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June we will have it on Spanish
television, the twelve Spanish television programmed about

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fifteen minutes, almost thirteen to fifteen
minutes that it made on televisions a lot.

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Then I refer to the whole report
of the train of life and wave

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for radio, as a radio that
we also believe has also set some guidelines.

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He has contributed ideas and guidelines in
a way to make radio also very

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particular, and there I can mention
Fernando Díaz, a great journalist communicator,

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besides Juan Carlos Parra, my journalist
friend also and a great communicator, Daniel

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Díaz, also a great professional,
also solidarity radio, and we can also

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continue talking about many, of course, to my friend Lucho Panduro, director

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of Radio Dinami Radio. I mean
pro journalists as well and with their daily

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program the pulse of life. I
mean, it' s good. We

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now have people ready and in the
last twenty- five years this has changed

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for the good, but now the
new generation has to join and some already

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take over. It' s not
that we' re going to leave at

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all, but it does have to
move on to the forefront. That'

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s what it' s about.
That' s what we planted for.

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I think perse we' ve done
what' s best. We' ve

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known and we' ve been able
to. And you know how many I

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say to you in these ceded tens
of lives, not to tell you hundreds,

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tens and tens and tens, which
suppose some hundreds of people who have

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found Christ through this medium, prodigal
sons who were in the Lord and disappeared,

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but in the intimacy of the radio
they resurfaced and rekindled the flame of

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faith and returned to the churches.
Because our people go to churches. Some

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explicitly say what has happened to them
and others do not get there, because

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then we find them apart from those
who describe us, who are not few

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after a year and call us on
the phone, but we know of countless

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testimonies, prodigal children too and then
the good that the radio does, the

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means also to make a bet a
day, not to be out of date

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of the socio- cultural and socio- political reality and of all the things

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that have to do with human life, especially the spirituality of that blind angle

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that many do not see, because
we want to bring light to all this,

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and for that we have this week
Daniel Ozcan, the director of Protestants

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and a professional journalist of magnificent race, and this morning we will talk about

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the current, which is very heated
to debate and also later, in the

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next season we will have Marios Cobar, one of our successful writers. I

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believe it is the one who most
at this time succeeds in many parts of

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the world, including in Spain,
in the secular sphere. He' s

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a historian, he' s a
writer, novel, narrative, history.

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It' s good. I really
like the way Mario writes. I believe

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that many of us and we are
going to do today about the elections and

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the history of Europe in synthesis,
very synthesis, a short history of Europe,

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where it is going to be Europe, to see, if you tell

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us, give us some brushstrokes of
what he realizes and perceives, of the

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history of the corners or the discussion
of the history of Europe at this time

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with the historian and successful writer Mario
Escobar, and also finally, to our

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good friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Gas
Or the obstacles in our relationship as a

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couple. Well let' s get
back to embroidering the subject. Eh obstacles

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that arise and sometimes we don'
t know how to solve it. And

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if we don' t do it
right, it can spoil the worst case

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scenario. So, let' s
do it not good music, good company

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and good friends here on this traveling
train. I also remind you that,

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please, let' s go here. Alex is going to put in some

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wire of my book or, please, read my book that he has written.

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He doesn' t like not being
read to. Well, there we

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have Mario Escobar, which is a
luxury to have Mario Escobar, but traveling

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on the train of life, this
is the title that Alex has when I

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repeat this to them, then he
will flash me out so that you can

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see him traveling on the train of
life. It' s the book I

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wrote. There are fifty reflections on
different questions of life. There are blocks

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that are first station, second station, third, fourth and term station that

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there is another final block of themes
and the end of the finals is for

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this hour we were born so it
is people who are not very used to

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reading and being short stories, as
it can start and finish and what is

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achieved from this book that is worth
180 pages, it is worth fifteen euros.

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You can find it on Amazon,
on Amazon' s platform, directly.

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He' s already buying a lot
of people there. Thank God,

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because they are contributing with wave for
radio and with the train of life,

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because we look now we have to
make a new investment, We have to

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put machinery and pes the radio makes
you change it and do works and things

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And everything is money and maintenance,
which is about five zero euros per month

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we have to pay for salaries,
social security, peripheral expenses, supplies,

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especially light. Well, if you
collaborate with us in this way by buying

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this book, because I thank you
infinitely, traveling on the train of the

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life of a server Julio Pérez on
the platform of Amazon, you have it

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to his supply, because I leave
you to go for it, we will

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now pick up our friend, Daniel
Ozcan, director of Protestant Digital, and

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this magnificent journalist You can send your
message through our Facebook. Through our Facebook,

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entering three months double point than the
train of life. Point is the

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train of life, point is Remember
that in this way you collaborate with us.

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Tell us your impressions, ask us
and participate actively. We want to

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meet you, we want to meet
you. Enter our website three times double

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point the train of life. Together
it is and follow us. Through Facebook.

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Through Facebook, I close my eyes, see you' re about to

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look for your eyes that you'
re not. Just resist truth don'

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t let go. Please listen to
me It' s catharite salvation that'

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s strong in your pain and you
don' t see beyond that it'

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s hard. Pela, I'
m stopping him He' s coming back

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to you. I' m just
asking you in a timely fashion without being

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able to be the best of people
to repair the WL. Don' t

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let go, please don' t
listen, it' s water, can

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you give up that it' s
strong, your smell that you don'

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t see beyond that it' s
durandan. If you want to visit our

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website, the wwwwwww. Stop the
train of life. Point the train of

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dead life or c o m Ladies
and gentlemen, we already have in line

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already through the middle of zum how
many things has solved the zoom or the

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Skye or other similar networks. Not
that there are a few that have saved

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us travel, it has saved us
inevitable physical presence, in many cases that

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seemed indelible and inevitable. And now
it' s not like that. We

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go ahead and from the other side, look we can bring Daniel of Camp,

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from Jupiter, who comes to Barcelona, and well, he can be

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heard not only in Spain through the
network of friendly stations that broadcast the train

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of life weekly and that reach more
than one hundred more Spanish cities, but

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they can also listen to it.
I' m telling you, Mars Martians

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listen to it and sometimes get a
little fluttered with the train of life.

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Yeah, but, well, let' s laugh a little bit about ourselves

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and life. Of course I do. Well, welcome, dear Daniel,

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how about June, how are you
doing? Well, buddy, I don

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' t know if the Martians will
listen to us, sir, they'

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ll interpret our sounds. Well,
if you listen to us, let'

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s hope we give you valuable content
and not just a little bit of noise.

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Let' s see, yes,
Mr Man, what a day you

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' re doing there for the galleys. Well, very good. Already entering

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springtime, almost summertime, and the
truth is that already this week is getting

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quite warm. And good here where
I live, which is on the coast,

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in the Lower Rias, because there
is a very pleasant temperature, because

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also for the many refreshments a little
bit. Then he gets along very well,

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he gets along very well this time. That' s nice, that

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' s nice. I' m
looking forward to a long, long time

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ago that I haven' t been
to Galicia and have a good one.

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Now we were about to go that
my nephew is the director of an agency

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in Santander and we were about to
go now, but they have changed him

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and he has come here then,
there in the Coruña. But I say

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I look forward to visiting you,
in frames and taking a walk also in

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those beautiful places of our beloved Galicia. Well, I was thinking that as

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soon as we have Europeans in sight, but nobody here talks about Europe.

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Here they are talking about everything they' ve had and for having the gresta

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that' s in here. Or
to a journalist today he said, nowhere

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in Europe is there as much internal
political tension as in Spain, and where

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there is less talk about Europe.
There' s nothing to talk about.

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Somewhere else. You do talk about
Europe. And this seems logical to you

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in the face of European elections.
Well, no. No. The truth

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is that I think we are all
a little surprised because European elections are usually

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considered to be low- profile elections
in the sense that political parties are not

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playing so much theoretically, that is, political parties have always been a bit

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of a motor of what are the
speeches that then go to the media and

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really have an importance in that sense
in Spain, which perhaps in other countries

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do not have it either. And
normally, when there are electoral periods,

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it is true that they tend to
be quite hot on each other, but

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usually European elections have been elections that, of course, being European, I

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do not know national in a sense, because they have saved a little bit

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of this tension. But this year
is almost the opposite, that is,

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especially now that we are entering this
key week, there really is almost no

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European issue on the table. At
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in the programs, then you'
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or if you' re good,
then dive a little bit in the newspapers.

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But what is at the level of
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are telling us is all domestic politics
and precisely in a situation of great tension

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because of the different circumstances to which
we are in, therefore, the government,

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the autonomous governments, the tension that
exists regarding the opposition, also at

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the international level. The things that
have been discussed and which have entered into

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the campaign are not exclusively European.
That is to say, there has been

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almost more talk about Argentina or Israel
and Palestine than about Europe, even than

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about Ukraine, which I could say
is a conflict that is also much closer

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and in which we have much more
at stake. Then draw a little attention.

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But good. On the other hand, it responds to the climate that

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has been generated in recent months in
Spain, of a great deal of internal

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political tension, as a result of
what we have all mentioned on other occasions,

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on the one hand, the weak
political situation of the Government, on

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the other hand, the anomalous situation
that is taking place at the regional level

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also in many places where pacts have
been given that have not been given to

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us or where we do not know
very well what pact will be given and

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where it seems that there are many
negotiations for the power that the actors have.

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Let us say very busy politicians on
these issues, and perhaps with little

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time, so that we can deal
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Europe. Yeah, that' s
right. This is the reality, as

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you are describing it, because I
have heard more things that have to concern

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us in community politics, some of
them at least more by digital Protestant than

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by even journalistic media, not only
the politicians who do not speak in the

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representative of the People' s Party
or the other representatives of the Social Party

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and well, the representative of the
Socialist Party is also woman, and others

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and others, well and also the
representative we can and we have enough known.

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But and everyone else is on the
back of the fight, the political

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fight, the mud machine, but
they don' t realize what or I

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don' t know if they think
we' re fools. It' s

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a fool to the citizens in general
and some more than others, of course,

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and the mud machine and come and
you more and come and the other

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is so slum. That, on
the one hand, and it turns out

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that now in the document this one
that we speak at a time before other

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considerations European elections that has published the
European Evangelical Alliance, ideologies yes, political

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idolatries, not very interesting and other
articles, the awakening of Europe, day

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the ascensions and day of Europe,
stories to remember and other previous ones.

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I hear more about what can be
decided in Europe, that is, neither

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the vanguard, nor the newspaper of
Catalonia, which is in different regions,

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nor the country, nor twenty minutes
nor reason have spoken about issues of interest

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to Europe, nor because they have
also fallen into the trap of the gresta.

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Not to go to the yes and
there I think we did, that

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we had to do a reflection at
a mechanical level on the grounds. In

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other words, we cannot be constantly
following what politicians and political parties are marking.

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Yeah, they' re an important
actor, but they can' t

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run the agenda. And I believe
that in this respect, the political agenda

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has gone far beyond what could be
the general interest of the citizens. And

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as far as European selections are concerned, especially because we said it a couple

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of months ago and when we came
to select that there really is a lot

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at stake, that is to say, yes, that are the important matches,

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considering that then also all European directives
have to be adopted at European level.

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It ends up having a very important
impact on our legislation, on the

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way in which our country is ordered, on the way in which we are

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also interacting with the rest of the
world. And I don' t really

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know I' m very surprised at
that lack of depth in the regestion that

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we' re finding. There would
be so many issues to talk about at

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European level that they would be important
to see, for example, almost nothing

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has been said about an issue that, in addition, is a subject of

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my drugs to all, at European
level, everyone is concerned about what has

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to do with the issue of climate
challenges. It is something that is usually

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in the press, it is true, but it really comes to the elections

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and happens to a third, fourth, fifth, sixth plane, that is,

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an issue that has not been touched
or mentioned practically at the media level.

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Another issue, the issue of border
security, the issue of military rearmament

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practically, because you do not see
any candidate talking about it, the development

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of the middle class, the problem
of housing, things that really affect us

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not only at local level, but
go beyond bilateral relations between the different countries,

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the relationship, for example, with
the United Kingdom, of which we

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have almost no talk and hear it
seems to me that it is still something

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important to bear in mind that it
is our partner, a neighbouring partner of

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the European Union, who is no
longer in the European Union, but with

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which we must continue to have a
lot of agreements and relations. The issues

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that also have to do with Africa, of course, not only with immigration,

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which is an issue, but also
with everything that has to do with

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the development of the African continent.
There' s so much, there'

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s so much that could have been
talked about and that it' s not

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being talked about that gives me a
feeling of a missed opportunity in front of

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these elections and the missed opportunities and
problems that then, because they can'

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t be recovered, it' s
saying in the elections they' re yaz

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So we inform ourselves and we try
to find out now or then, because

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when you' re going to vote, because maybe, because I don'

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t know, I don' t
know what' s going to mobilize you

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to the vote, let' s
see what happens. It is not clear

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that the national political situation is so
tense that it is making everyone in that

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sense, as it is lost and
we are sure that we also have responsibility

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for that as communicators. I mean, but I see that above all in

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the big media here they are failing
in that work, which they should have

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a little more, to work more
for the citizenry and not so much according

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to what in the political parties they
are marking and then they would have to

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do informative pedagogy, European social pedagogy. And because it is the elections for

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the European Parliament, regardless of whether
the ultras and so- and- so

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good and hears and ultras of ultra
left if they are so dangerous or more,

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and nothing is said about them.
And well, apart from the ultra

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- right here, some sectors of
the European right, have connivances with putting

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with Russia, so neither right nor
left ultras. In the end there are

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those points. But, well,
there are considerations and it looks like the

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wolf is coming. And this is
the message of Sanchez, of our President,

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is the only art, apart from
the question of his wife, now

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that he' s going to bring
co- colade and he' s going

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to bring sure that this hits him
a few pieces, because he' s

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going to stick it, in addition
to other things that are around this,

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this one no longer exists. Well, he' s got the resistance manual,

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but I don' t think he' ll be able to do it

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any more soon. He' s
gonna see himself spending. Well, let

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' s see it' s no
longer difficult to know what to do,

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but Sanchez already knows that in this
he has already shown several times, since

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reconfiguration. But, well, we
don' t know if really, in

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the end these allegations prosper, because
it' s clear that you' re

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going to have a conflict there,
very complicated to be able to save.

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But of course what we were saying
now is responsibility. I mean, I

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think that as far as the political
parties are concerned, they too are responsible

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for trying to capture the vote of
fear of the other or of punishment as

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well. It is a vote of
punishment, that is to say, I

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believe that these European elections are being
proposed, especially on the Spanish stage,

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as a vote of punishment, that
is, the rights in our country see

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the weakness of Pedro Sánchez for these
issues that you have commented now, in

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the suspicions of corruption in his government
and also in the case of his family

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And of course what the right is
wanting to do, since we vote punishing

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the President and, on the other
hand, the defense that is being put

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forward by the left parties and also
the governing party in this case, is

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what you said now that the right
comes, the fear, the punishment in

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that sense to those who are,
according to his speech, because allied with

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the global ultra right and the great
threat of the ultra of Changdoval. So,

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of course, these are the two
speeches that really do not let us

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see the importance of the issues that
are at European level at heart and that

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have to do with how the policies
of our nearest environment will be directed a

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little bit over the next five years. And there' s a reality,

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and it' s that right.
Obviously, the European People' s Party

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is going to win the elections with
some distance from the Spanish People' s

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Party, also unlike no, that
it was not able to advance the Socialist

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Party in the last few words,
in the last electoral contests. Now I

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do, clearly except for the tezano
liar who' s always lying, but

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they' re all deos now.
Obviously, I point it out with rigor

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that it will be so. So
whatever it is that voters opt for that

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political option, then there is that. And, obviously, the right,

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the European ultra right, in Italy, in Germany, in France, in

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Spain, also rises a little more
in the main countries of the European Union

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goes up a lot and goes ahead
even of the more traditional parties and in

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others I no longer speak of Hungary, Poland, and such that they are

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already classically, it means yes that
there is going to be a House with

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right and ultra right. What happens
is that the European right has always had

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a lot of alliance and much has
been agreed European politics, much with the

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Socialist Party, have made many more
agreements. And now this whole sanitary cordon

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thing and that and that, but
I think it' s an exaggeration,

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too. Honestly, yes, also
clear not all ultra- rights or all

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matches that are labeled ultra- right, are the same. This is what

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you' re not really trying to
convey either, and sometimes it happens a

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little outside of people' s surroundings, because they' re not all raising

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the same thing. Even good in
the party there are internal struggles within what

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could be that kind of group of
right- wing or ultra- right-

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wing lecturing to see a little who
carries the singing voice and considering that there

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are policies that these parties plan that
are very protectionist. For example, of

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course it is a bit striking of
some things that we have seen in recent

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months, such as box A support. Lepen because they have some points in

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common in the speech, but at
the same time I thought what you want

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to do is to close the borders
so that the Spanish products of the borders,

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from our border up that the Pyrenees
know us, do not pass.

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That is to say, there are
some inconsistencies there which, of course,

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each party also has a little bit
to translate and which has to parance.

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But this shows us that the picture
is not as monolithic as we sometimes want

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to imagine. Or we can imagine
even on the left is that it'

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s very different. There are some
leftists, for example, who are environmentalists

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and who go on the environmental and
other left side that we could say,

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they go, on the other hand, on more identifying sides and sides that

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have more to do with other types
of social policies and that actually, in

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the end you see that there are
points in which they collide. Also let

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' s not say what it has
to do with the issue of foreign policy

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is that there are right- wing
parties there that tell you one thing and

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other parties of this that tell you
the opposite. Totally in foreign policy and

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above all referred to, for example, conflict in Ukraine. So this is

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what it raises. That' s
a much more complex picture than you sometimes

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want to imagine. And that what
I would say should make us a little

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bit more prudent when it comes to
saying good, because this is ultra-

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right and let him go to a
corner, or this is a skin to

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leave in a corner. You wouldn' t have to stop a little bit

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before you put on the labels,
which seem to be what makes it easier

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for us to think. And not
everything is one more, one two,

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but there is much more complexity in
the current political scenario. Yes, for

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example, the President of Italy,
of the Italian government Meloni, who,

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paradoxically, is a Europeanist, is
ultra- right, but now, she

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has further moderated her speech and staging
and everything unlike the beginnings when she was

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not yet in the government. And
that' s what happens when you'

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re inside things, you see them
in a different way. It' s

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clear. The realities are what they
are and we must work with common sense

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and community. Never better said,
but, for example, the subject of

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the countryside and the agrarian question.
Another issue is that they do not address

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anything. It is a public shame
and we denounce it here that, instead

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of putting forward alternative options for the
parties, I am going to vote for

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the party, whether it is the
Socialist Party, the People' s Party

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to Boga that I want and I
don' t know, I don'

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t know, I don' t
know anything about them, I don'

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t know anything about the Me sent
the letter to vote, but it doesn

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' t put me on. It
makes me a very generic thing. From

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Europe, but they do not tell
me concrete things that we need to know

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and also to make determinations. Yes, yes, what you were saying,

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we have seen, above all at
campaign level, a speech that has gone

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through very, very long on European
issues and that ends up focusing on the

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polemics that are here in our country
and that, moreover, as you said

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now, for example, the agricultural
issue, is that this is a key

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issue at European level from the very
beginning of the European Economic Community. At

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first it was an alliance, as
we know, of the energy issue,

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coal to, industrial zero between Germany
and France. From there, then,

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it began, but then the common
agricultural policy. Peace is that you take

415
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a percentage of the European budget that
when you get scared, you realize and

416
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:08.800
that money, that money that is
actually negotiated in Europe, is the one

417
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that then has the impact on the
agricultural sector in our country. And it

418
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:21.280
' s fundamental, that is,
it' s a fundamental aspect that I

419
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.159
just don' t know that you' re getting a little bit into looking

420
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.679
specifically at programs. And so it' s a subject you' re telling

421
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.800
us about right now. Then we
will have in two or three months,

422
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.400
or whatever, because the tractors will
have demonstrations here we will have those of

423
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the milk sector, because also demanding
for something, or those of the countryside,

424
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.239
or those of the grail or of
the sea, that is, there

425
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:49.360
are a lot of sectors there that
really play it at European level. And

426
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.000
it is at the European level where
cards are being played, not at the

427
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:59.360
national level. So it' s
really sad that we' re not being

428
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informed about this. It finds the
relevance that these policies will then have to

429
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be taken, for example here,
at the level of Galicia. Here,

430
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of course, we have the fishing
sector, which is very important, and

431
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:17.920
the fisheries sector here is always with
an eye to what is legislated in Brussels,

432
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.400
because it is fundamental, that is, not only at the level of

433
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.639
the fishing grounds that are actually negotiated
there, but also sometimes the fishing grounds,

434
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.239
sometimes also what the fishing instruments are, things that have done, for

435
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.480
example, sometimes a whole fleet,
because it cannot go fishing where it has

436
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.079
been saying it has been fishing for
twenty years and now, suddenly, it

437
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:43.719
would not let them fish there.
They have to change and find other fishing

438
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.840
grounds. This has happened in the
last five years here in Galicia. So

439
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:53.960
this kind of thing is European politics
and we are really interested in seeing what

440
00:40:53.960 --> 00:41:00.480
the parties are proposing in these areas
so that we can then vote in these

441
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.880
in conscience. And unfortunately, because
I believe that most of us, because

442
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:09.440
of this lack of information, do
not know very well what one is proposing,

443
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.679
which is proposing another, what the
advantages of one model would be,

444
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.039
what the advantages of the other that
are being proposed will be. Not in

445
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.079
time to reflect, let' s
say, or reflect or know what to

446
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.639
know. We know that, because
you and I are journalists and so many

447
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:31.559
others and we dig and we are
more or less up to date, but

448
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:40.079
and we realize the information vacuum,
the information silence, for example, in

449
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:44.760
the debates that have taken place,
at least I have seen part of them,

450
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.840
because they also tire me, is
that they tire me like a donkey.

451
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:54.039
Then I get tired of them all. There' s practically no one

452
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.159
original who says yes well, who
replies, but who does something that doesn

453
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:00.800
' t captivate our attention and says
well, here goes the thing, not

454
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.400
even one of those I' ve
seen. Then. The idea is that,

455
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.960
for example, what alliances you will
make after the European elections, how

456
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.000
and how you talk about some European
issues in a very global way, but

457
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.719
they do not go into the concrete
or the necessary policies. For example,

458
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:25.480
the issue of emigration and integration and
the issue of recidivists makes it clear that

459
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.119
this is true, that it must
also be controlled. We need it,

460
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.079
we need it good at all costs. Inevitably immigration, if not Europe'

461
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:39.440
s survival. It' s in
this, but because the birth, the

462
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:45.519
low narality that exists. But there
has to be a regulation, a reconsideration

463
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.440
of all this and the countries of
North Africa, like Morocco, which are

464
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:54.880
preferred partners with Europe and Tunisia,
good on the subject of agriculture, agricultural

465
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:59.960
products and other things more of the
steps, of the traffic of people,

466
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.400
of those who come from sub-
Saharans and everything, nothing, nothing,

467
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.239
that is to say, I don' t know where it is and now

468
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:14.880
you and I get a bit of
a face but they won' t even

469
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:20.239
listen to us in the car and
well, that would be good. Clear

470
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.440
man to see I really would tell
people of European faces and selections, because

471
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:31.000
at the media level, because sometimes
it is difficult to find. Well,

472
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:36.199
you can look for information a little
more intentionally, that is, when you

473
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.239
go to the newspapers or the qualified
ones, to the places where you report

474
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.239
at the top, because it does
a search, a little more intentional,

475
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.679
because, perhaps, if you are
going to find the reports, but it

476
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.480
is going to be a little hidden, then, if you want to know

477
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.000
a little bit about what they are
proposing, what is being discussed at European

478
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.639
level, nons does a little bit
of research and if not, in the

479
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.760
end we have to go to the
international media, that is, we will

480
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.400
have to go to the us,
we have a medium that is called Euronews,

481
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.800
which is at European level, which
is quite aseptic. But to find

482
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.239
out, for example, what is
happening at European level, what are the

483
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.559
major debates, what are the main
lines of discussion that exist at continental level,

484
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.559
because it is advisable, that is, there you can find a little

485
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.719
bit. Then you have commented that
in our media, because there is information,

486
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.239
because right now on the cover we
have placed there the last four or

487
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:31.639
five reports that we have published on
the European issue. And I think it

488
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.719
is so interesting because they also speak
to us from the point of view that

489
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.639
we tend to present, which is
an evangelical point of view, that is,

490
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.360
with evangelical people who also, because
we have interests in some aspects as

491
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.639
well and we have something to say
about very concrete aspects. Obviously, there

492
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.840
is an issue that is also there, which is being discussed very little,

493
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:59.960
but it is the issue of religious
freedom and which, of course, here

494
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.119
we have a continent where it is
respected, but there are beginning to be

495
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.239
conflicts, especially with regard to the
great growth of Islam in some countries and

496
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.599
as that is starting to conflict with
the laws we have in many of our

497
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.480
countries. This is also an issue
that is on the table and that it

498
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.280
is important to be able to know
it. So let' s say in

499
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.119
the invitation to be informed. That
is to say, we are in the

500
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:29.320
era theoretically, we are in that
age of information in which it is possible

501
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:34.199
to get well informed about things,
because this time, in order to inform

502
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.599
ourselves we have to leave the news
stand aside, because the pediator will be

503
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.519
talking to us about national politics throughout
the week and they have not stopped and

504
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.440
no matter whether they are European or
not, and then we will trace the

505
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.079
information a little more at a deeper
level. There are also media specialized in

506
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.320
international information. I am thinking of
means such as the World Order, for

507
00:45:53.480 --> 00:46:00.480
example, which has also skipped interesting
reports on the subject of second clothes selections.

508
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:06.519
I would even say that you have
some doubt about what the electoral process

509
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.679
is, what the Europe process is, what the European Union implies. And

510
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:15.280
all that, even the official website
of the European Union is quite informatively enough

511
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.280
to know a little bit, what
we are voting for, what is being

512
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.199
set up, how even the European
Parliament is configured, which is set up

513
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:28.559
in seven groups, then where each
of the parties that can access is included.

514
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.760
Anyway, that' s all information
I think can help us deal with

515
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:40.119
the elections we have this Sunday.
Yes, and I find the document of

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00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.960
the European Evangelical Alliance very interesting.
We must be peacemakers and an example of

517
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:51.480
how to discuss politics with respect for
those of us who disagree deeply. It

518
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:57.480
is an exhibition of the entity of
the European Evangelical Alliance, European elections,

519
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.159
ideologies, yes and dola, political
trias. No, which is what even

520
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:07.760
Christians, who I think we have
like any mature citizen, have that good

521
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:15.039
we choose what we find most appropriate. We have that democratic freedom, of

522
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:22.519
course we do, but we don' t make barricades and we don'

523
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:28.960
t make trenches and we start bombing
psyche and we identify as some things that

524
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.559
aren' t healthy for social coexistence
and are totally inappropriate. We can say

525
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:37.880
that and even if we can denounce
it, but it means that I stand

526
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:44.519
in a political trench and this is
why it coincides with some Christian values.

527
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:51.360
But if you see other values,
since dictatorial and rancid of the official religion

528
00:47:52.079 --> 00:48:00.679
and this and of the black soul
of Spanish life, because I say no

529
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:06.039
and no And I am Spanish and
I feel total Spanish, but let us

530
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:13.840
not fall into extremism. And I
believe that the document of the Evangelical Alliance

531
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:19.840
that appears here to inspire individuals,
local churches and evangelical alliances to pray,

532
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.159
to think and to ask questions before
the vote for the European Parliament elections this

533
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:31.199
June 9. And there is the
Bangrica Auropea Alliance for the 2, 000

534
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:37.360
sections in English and Spanish. Complete, well, it' s two thousand

535
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:44.000
twenty- four. Then let us
take into account some things in the document.

536
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It' s a document I

537
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.880
think it' s valuable. It' s a very brief document. Also,

538
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.000
that is, it will serve as
an introduction a little to think about

539
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:59.000
what our vote is for and how
to exercise it in a wise way.

540
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.639
The political defense that is made in
the introduction has this part. I think

541
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:16.519
that I am quite interesting about this
problem when an ideology becomes hegemonic, not

542
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:22.639
only at the social level, but
in some way it prevents the debate about

543
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:30.639
itself and the lack of that debate, of confrontation of ideas that we are

544
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.599
actually seeing, for example, in
our country and that also ends up spreading

545
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:43.519
to other places. I mean,
if we don' t get to debate

546
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.960
with someone who thinks differently from us, it' s going to be very

547
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.199
difficult for us to build anything with
the other person. That is to say,

548
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.239
the minimum would be to be able
to debate ideas and think this on

549
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:55.599
this subject and I believe that this
is the solution. You think differently,

550
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:02.400
because you present me your opinion or
your strategy to address this issue. And

551
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.480
that' s where we should find
them. That would be the exercise of

552
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.039
politics. The problem is that we
are seeing that this is not happening.

553
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:19.920
I mean, we see more and
more environments where basically the politician clings to

554
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.679
his and his and no matter what
they do. What they say is like

555
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:29.440
almost going with a football team,
that is, to death. And that

556
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:34.440
' s it and you defend a
few colors and you don' t listen

557
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.159
to reasons you get carried away by
the heart. Well, that' s

558
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.440
exactly what politics shouldn' t be. Politics must be exercised with the heart.

559
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.519
Yes, but above all with the
head, and we have to try

560
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:52.400
to think about the arguments, to
present, let' s say what we

561
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.679
consider best for our society, but
in order to be able to convince others,

562
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:02.039
and that the vote is, in
that sense, a vote in accordance

563
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.280
with ideas and a proposal that does
not mean voting for someone, does not

564
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.280
mean supporting everything that that person does
or says or that person thinks is a

565
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:15.840
trusted bike so that he can carry
out his program. But that vote of

566
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.880
confidence about the person fails his program, his proposal, because that vote is

567
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.920
taken away, that is, and
we should never end up being hostage to

568
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:31.039
a political ideology in that sense,
because we really end up becoming a person

569
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:38.840
or a fanatic who does not end
up building, but basically going to try

570
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:46.760
to overthrow others to build his own
power. And it seems and seems that

571
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:52.000
in Europe, as we have seen, there are not many political proposals that

572
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.039
begin to be put forward in this
way. So I think that as Christians,

573
00:51:54.239 --> 00:52:00.840
there we have a great challenge to
participate as a citizen, of course,

574
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:06.480
and also those who are more involved
in the political arena, because it

575
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:12.480
is also their position to participate in
another way and to generate a climate that

576
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.199
is more constructive and less of fanaticization
and destruction of the other. Yes,

577
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:21.079
that' s how the Minister who
is now the head of the party'

578
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.360
s three poster takes over the green
agenda must gain weight in the European Commission

579
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:31.800
And what and what and what does
that mean and that abstract and generic and

580
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:40.119
what and those slogans of her and
others, and that your journalistic intuition to

581
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:47.119
Daniel, especially the sainete with the
wife Begoña Gómez, who, by the

582
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:52.880
way, even of paradoxes. How
can you preside over a professorship of a

583
00:52:52.960 --> 00:53:00.159
person who, that is, does
not have a university degree, something is

584
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.840
good. One may have been doing
college studies, although we haven' t

585
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.360
finished well. I think that'
s what he' s done. A

586
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.360
lot of people do that, well, it' s okay, but maybe

587
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.159
it' s not finished with a
bachelor' s degree. But you don

588
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.679
' t have to have a master' s degree and more for a professorship,

589
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:22.400
even a doctorate. So here'
s a lot to water. This

590
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.679
on many sides, this on the
one hand, and then the whole subject

591
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:32.360
of trapicheos, the components of influence, of political friendlyness, of traffic,

592
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.280
of influences, with the theme of
global and good. I don' t

593
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.679
know. This doesn' t look
good, uh, no, no,

594
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:46.920
not to see. It is clear
that behind him some of the accusations were,

595
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:52.159
for example, false information and that
could be known at the time,

596
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.320
I mean, there were some things
that were published that were correct. But

597
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.639
once that' s happened let'
s say that for a month now all

598
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:07.400
the information that is coming out of
that information that is there and here the

599
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.800
issue perhaps beyond what is the judicial
issue, by the most judicial, obviously,

600
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:16.119
is the investigation underway. Progress is
being made in the investigation and even

601
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.960
if the President has bothered the times
or whatever, because the times of justice

602
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.159
are his times. Then we also
don' t have why they lead well

603
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:30.480
and, above all, I keep
in mind that begoña gomez is currently being

604
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.400
investigated, she is not accused of
anything. Therefore, the investigation is simply

605
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:39.000
a procedure that usually starts just to
investigate and does not at all break the

606
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:46.960
defendant' s assumption of innocence.
Then the problem is. I believe that

607
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.880
everything that is being known, whether
or not it is a crime, is

608
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.599
not right. I mean, it' s not something that' s not

609
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:02.519
right. They are things that because
the trading of influences is very difficult to

610
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:07.679
prove in many ways, that is, very difficult to prove trading in influences

611
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.760
sometimes, but everyone suspects it all
over the world. He suspects it'

612
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:16.599
s very easy that he' s
really there and even if he' s

613
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:21.719
not criminally punishable, he' s
going to be from the ethical or moral

614
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.280
perspective, especially considering that good.
What we are aware of is that basically

615
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:35.639
the woman of the President has set
up this training with the help of certain

616
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:42.679
companies that are then also benefited by
the Government and at the same time with

617
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:47.559
this handicap that you pointed out,
the fact that she is the director without

618
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:53.960
having that degree that is usually held
is not the only case, but it

619
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.760
is quite rare what has been given
there. And then the good topic of

620
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:02.519
the recommendations she signed for some companies, among many other recommendations, is quite

621
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:10.559
common in the business sphere, that
is, that this type of attempt to

622
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.719
comment, but the problem is his
figure as wife of the President, making

623
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:22.679
these recommendations so that these companies can
then access a public fund or access some

624
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:29.639
kind of service that the State hires. So, of course, whether or

625
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:35.039
not it' s a crime is
something I think it does mark the President

626
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.639
' s trajectory and at least ethically, because it leaves many questions. That

627
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:44.880
is why I believe that, even
if the court case does not progress as

628
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.480
the case continues and continues to emerge, that kind of information will affect.

629
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.000
But, on the other hand,
I don' t know very well if

630
00:56:54.039 --> 00:57:00.639
this is what will make Sanchez in
the end able to make some decision to

631
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.840
lead to an electoral advance. I
believe that in the situation in Catalonia it

632
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.639
is also a very important factor.
It has to do with him what'

633
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.400
s going to happen. Let'
s see what happens to the government in

634
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:17.119
Catalonia if elections are called again or
without seder any contact of mon It seems

635
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.400
that it does not want to know
anything other than having the government and then,

636
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.039
from there, then, what rc
does nobody knows very well what it

637
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:29.519
will do. There' s still
a lot of suspicion, on the one

638
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.840
hand, on the other, but
no one knows everything. Then the picture

639
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.960
is not simple. We knew that. We have already commented several or that

640
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:43.280
it is a weak government and every
time there are elections, even autonomic ones,

641
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:49.360
because you see yes, it is
a magnificent reflection that you are doing.

642
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:55.599
Is Daniel politically wrong? It is
very politically incorrect, and that in

643
00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:02.400
other countries, especially in countries that
are distant and still in Portugal, with

644
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:09.840
the President of Portugal, without getting
so much that there was not the accusation

645
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.119
as well and that there was also
the investigation, not the accusation. If

646
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:22.480
in the imputation it is clear,
clearly clear, but then and politically,

647
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:29.440
it is very incorrect traffic in the
series of networks that is the Civil Guard,

648
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.599
it is, therefore, requisitioning everything
to see what there is and we

649
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.159
will see what comes out, which
may be nothing, for it is nothing.

650
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.880
But in any case, there is
already evidence of a trade in influence

651
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:42.920
that the Government does not proceed with
on the woman of the President. She

652
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:50.199
is a public figure for antonomasia,
also because of what she represents her husband

653
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:52.639
and in that sense, because this, then, is not going to stand

654
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:58.920
well. And speaking of Catalonia,
I, as an observer from here if

655
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:04.079
independence, which has not been able
to lose, has had an evil to

656
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.159
lose the elections today, but very
bad to lose. But, well,

657
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.920
he' s defeated. This is
clear. Like never before, not even

658
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:15.599
in the days of Jordi Buyol,
he has come much less. But the

659
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:21.760
matter if they do not democratically make
way for it there, as she also

660
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.280
did, although regardless of whether they
are like one or the other, not

661
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:29.079
even mine. But as a Democrat, we' re gonna be serious.

662
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:35.079
If you go back to an electoral
rerun, you will lose more, I,

663
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.519
as a political observer, say,
you will lose enough more, you

664
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:45.000
will lose a few more seats and
you will rise a little more and well

665
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:46.039
and if there will be some sort
of arrangement in any way. But we

666
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:50.000
' ll waste our time. And
here, in Catalonia, there are a

667
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:54.320
number of issues that are totally paralyzed
with it. Between him, I no

668
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:58.199
longer speak of the companies that have
left and that have not returned and that

669
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.599
has been a great loss, like
Catalana. But and this and nothing or

670
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.599
moonni as if they didn' t
want to know in the world of Yupi.

671
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:13.440
But apart from this, the reality
is that there are a lot of

672
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:19.599
things to ally, not just rolls
and questions, and there are a lot

673
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.079
of things per paralyzed. And among
the sainete of the political gresca, these

674
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:28.159
gentlemen, the topic of doctors,
nurses, that there is a deficit but

675
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.639
in all Spain, but in Catalonia, monumentally means to put immediate political solutions,

676
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:40.199
instead of being bluffing already the mud
machine and patatero rolls that are a

677
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:47.400
shame, it is from a school
yard. Anyway, I don' t

678
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.920
know what to say anymore. Yes, because the truth that exactly the national

679
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:59.760
and regional landscape in that sense,
because sometimes it can cause us to dissolve

680
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.079
a focus with what politics is and
in the midst of politics, as we

681
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:08.719
are seeing it, I believe that
we need to move to a state,

682
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:15.840
if possible, of some stability at
the governmental level, that is, that

683
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:22.440
we can, at least for a
moment, stop things and set up minimally

684
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:29.199
stable governments that allow for the development
of certain plans and to address certain things.

685
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.280
In the case of Catalonia, well, not only is it really the

686
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.719
problem of now these elections that can
leave us, but Catalonia really has been

687
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:42.960
many years, many years of much
political instability in the midst of the process,

688
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.960
at the time of this situation,
and that is what it means for

689
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:52.039
an autonomous community in terms of the
delay in addressing policies that can make it

690
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.119
look to the future and that the
future is not a utopia, but that

691
01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.320
it is the future of the well- being of citizens. And so we

692
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.440
also see ourselves a little bit in
Spain it is also true that in the

693
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:07.000
end you realize that the country,
because the country, the autonomous communities,

694
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:12.719
everything follows a little. The gears
keep moving forward and don' t stop

695
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.280
the machinery of life, people keep
going to work, the state keeps working

696
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.320
more or less, and that'
s what it keeps. I believe that

697
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:23.719
social peace is the reason why these
very tense and destabilizing political situations do not

698
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:37.000
get so much deeper at the level
of our society. That is to say,

699
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:39.960
there is tension, of course,
but at the same time we can

700
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.119
tell the truth, that we can
breathe calmly that one goes up or another

701
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:50.840
goes down in the government, because
that does not mean a bacle at the

702
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:55.039
country level, and that I think
is a good thing, that is,

703
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:00.360
what I would like and we would
comment a little at the political beginning.

704
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:08.719
Sometimes I think he is taking on
more headlines and carrying more media weight than

705
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:15.880
he would ever deserve, and hopefully
we too will be able to do once

706
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.920
these electoral storms are over, as
we begin to look a little bit further

707
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:24.800
in the medium term and think about
that construction of the important things that we

708
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.559
have to do in which politics is
an important part. But it is not

709
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:34.480
so important who, who is ruling, what a tendency it has, there

710
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:38.920
are only many other things that are
also important and which we need to talk

711
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:40.960
about exactly well, as we will
see the courtyard. We have already left

712
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:50.400
things like the Israeli- Palestinian conflict
with Gaza and this recent attack on a

713
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:57.760
UN school in Gaza. What happens
is that in some of the ONO schools

714
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:05.039
there was a basement of never and
unfortunately it has already been passed in several.

715
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:11.639
But unfortunately people die and I told
an Israeli friend that they want to

716
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:17.199
make a call next week here such
an Israeli entrepreneur and said anti- Semitism

717
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.960
against the total freedom of the kidnapped, for ever, totally agree. But

718
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:30.239
Israeli politics at this time and we
are fond of Israel for many historical and

719
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:36.679
sentimental reasons, but not for its
political mistakes, not to go so far

720
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:43.519
in killing so many people. This
is not tolerable. This has to stop.

721
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.639
This is clear, regardless of whether
there are blues, whether there are

722
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:50.079
warehouses, whether there are warehouses,
or whether there are warehouses, but what

723
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:56.079
we have invented, which is true, the entire network of tunnels and everything

724
01:04:56.199 --> 01:05:01.159
they have to assemble in kilometers,
there were all the entire cities, but

725
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:05.920
it is never a terrorist State,
it is clear and within a democratic State,

726
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:09.199
the only democratic State in the whole
Middle East. But this has to

727
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:12.920
stop. People cannot be killed,
even if they are being used by the

728
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:17.360
terrorists of never as human shields to
the civilian population. You can' t

729
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:21.400
kill people like that. And in
that there is a protest, for at

730
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.519
least my part. I don'
t know if you' ll agree,

731
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.039
but I guess so. To see
I really see it very similar to you

732
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:36.159
I mean, there is, on
the one hand, that very complicated situation

733
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:41.000
that has been on the ground for
so long, that difficulty of being able

734
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:47.760
to solve it. The conflict is
taking hold and at the same time those

735
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.159
good ones. Historically we see how
there have been times when violence has been

736
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:59.639
increasing at specific times and clearly what
happened on October 7 was a beastly,

737
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.920
brutal, brutal thing. That'
s where it really starts. Yes,

738
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.840
yes, I was holding my hands
to my head the other day because we

739
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:13.559
were able to hear that there was
a good one. They invited him in.

740
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:18.360
We can have an initiative to give
people a voice on the subject of

741
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:24.800
Palestine and all this, and it
was good for people to hear about being

742
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:29.320
parliamentary to people who were justifying what
happened on October 7th, that is,

743
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:33.159
the attacks that they did on October
7th, which we know, are the

744
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:39.599
innocent, of course, a thousand
and two hundred more dead, all of

745
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:43.360
them kidnapped. And of course,
that can' t be ignored, of

746
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.559
course. But it can' t
be uviated, as you well said,

747
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:53.639
that Israel' s military response is
being very disproportionate, brutally dispossessed There is

748
01:06:53.760 --> 01:07:00.320
not that just first, first,
because it has forced the disputing of the

749
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.440
population without really giving them security alternatives, that is, it has not given

750
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:09.639
them real alternatives. And now that
they are, let' s say,

751
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:15.400
cornered in the southern part of Gaza, in Rafa, where they still want

752
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:21.159
to intervene, because they really say
that we have to try to end all

753
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:23.920
the military operation they have ever had. But of course, you' ve

754
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:28.360
really forced people to be there and
you don' t give any other way

755
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:33.199
out to many other people who look
totally cornered. And the military operation,

756
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:41.960
instead of being reconfigured or stopped or
looking for some kind of negotiation, nothing

757
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.800
goes on at the same pace.
And this, because it' s taking

758
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.360
us practically every week we' re
finding ourselves or the news of a missile

759
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:54.920
that fell in a refugee camp or
in a school or in a hospital,

760
01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:00.679
where there can be any, can
give its reasoning, but we' re

761
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.320
really going to count more and more
victims and you really can' t.

762
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.119
It' s really hard. You
don' t have to put yourself,

763
01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:15.079
of course, on the skin of
both places. But, well, there

764
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.359
really are people there who are obviously
not terrorists. Not all Christians, not

765
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.960
all Panamanians are terminists. Of course
not. Then you can' t treat

766
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:27.560
an entire population that way. They' re never kidnapped by the civilian population.

767
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.000
Tan kidnapped. They can' t
in case they don' t get

768
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:34.640
liquidated. Let' s go,
but yes, in what Israel can do

769
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:39.560
and if that has the right to
do so, there is no other remedy

770
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:44.600
until this somehow completely disassembles. The
whole operation is here. Never militarize the

771
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:50.479
Gaza Strip, but stop killing,
stop attacking those indiscriminate attacks. He'

772
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.279
s actually going to do it,
he' s going to militarize it,

773
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.840
and he' s going to control
it, because he' s going to

774
01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:57.840
do that, but he' s
not going to kill innocent people anymore.

775
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:02.720
I mean, this is intolerable,
but well, the thing would be a

776
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:08.319
lot of it. The last thing
facing the elections already you vote wisely this

777
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.720
is a Council that the Evangelical Alliance
always gives and I think it is very

778
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.960
smart and I think very timely.
What would you say about it already,

779
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:21.960
to finish our conversation, vote wisely
that you always recommend from the Spanish Evangelical

780
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:26.039
Alliance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, the idea is a little

781
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:29.359
bit of what we' ve been
talking about during this talk. Not this

782
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:34.239
little chatty. When you vote,
you can do it in many ways,

783
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:41.720
but you have to think that you
are not simply casting your vote or that

784
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.920
what you are doing has no relevance
or that you do have it. No,

785
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:50.399
yes, political participation is important,
thinking also that as Protestants we do

786
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:55.760
not believe in democracy in that sense, which is something that was born in

787
01:09:55.760 --> 01:10:01.159
fact, from the just interpretation of
scriptures, of applying biblical principles to society.

788
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:05.239
And from there comes the possibility that
we had to participate actively in politics

789
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:13.520
through our vote. So, obviously, you vote with judgment, which is

790
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:16.720
the problem that has been used.
This is what Lancia Vangélica is again proposing

791
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:23.479
before each of the elections a reflection
that our vote has value, is valid

792
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:28.640
and that we can actually vote informed, that is, let us not simply

793
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.800
vote in this case, as we
have said before, for our ideology or

794
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:38.760
that only for an ideological adjustment or
because you have always voted for the same

795
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.600
person who has always voted for a
person who is a kind of football club

796
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:47.600
membership, but that we exercise our
discernment and this is rather a biblical call.

797
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:58.800
The Bible encourages us to discern,
to think, to exercise our intellect

798
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:04.319
and to inform ourselves well when acting
then that the vow we make can be

799
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:09.159
informed and that each one vote to
whomever he wants. Of course, for

800
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:15.520
that it is a free country and
let us approach these elections, because also

801
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:20.199
giving our support, because in a
conscious way, conscious because then it is

802
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:25.600
also going to allow us to participate
better in what is the control of our

803
01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:28.479
politicians, of what they do,
of what they propose, because once we

804
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.119
have given them the vote, we
will also be a little more attentive to

805
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:36.159
how they then exercise politics. That' s my dear friend Daniel, as

806
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:43.560
I always thank you so much that
you have appeared and illustrated us about interesting

807
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:47.279
issues of the most current politics.
It cannot be Europe today is the big

808
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:56.279
issue or some slashes of domestic politics
and Spanish political gresca, which is at

809
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:02.960
this point, is painful. In
Europe we are seen as ridiculous in this

810
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:08.960
respect because of the exaggeration and extremism
that are taking place and the sea being

811
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.079
done by some is clear and some
who have more responsibility than others. But

812
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.520
thank you, because we' ll
keep talking. This is going to give

813
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.079
a lot of itself still later and
see what happens right away we talk again.

814
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:25.399
All right. Thank you, Julio. I' ll send you a

815
01:12:25.399 --> 01:13:17.479
hug, buddy. Even always bye
or from my mother' s womb with

816
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:30.199
patience you formed me and painted the
details with your love, your design so

817
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:35.560
perfect. I don' t know
how complete it feels today. It needs

818
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:48.159
the touch of its creator, but
here I have a miracle trapped in my

819
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:59.319
hands and I will not let you
just believe it. I' m Sana,

820
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:08.920
I' m salt but now I
don' t feel it in my

821
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:15.479
mud already it' s done.
I am Sana, you are Sana,

822
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:38.399
although now I do not see your
word is already a jamba li fact in

823
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:44.079
your plan always or life. This
isn' t where it ends. And

824
01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:55.399
even if there is great pain in
this body, the end will be greater,

825
01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:08.920
scorched from my father celebrating the vict. I am Sara, I am

826
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:21.640
Sana, although I do not feel
that the miladro is I am Sana,

827
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:31.640
I am Sana, although I now
pray your word. It is also a

828
01:15:45.079 --> 01:16:21.560
fact that my miracles, the train
of life, an exciting journey along the

829
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:28.760
routes of the heart, an unforgettable
journey at the rhythm of the train.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are still
on the move and we are joined by

831
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a very interesting voice, which is
the voice of Mario Escobar, Marios cobares

832
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.840
and historian of pro and is also
a writer. Not only is he a

833
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:26.560
writer who writes novels, narratives and
history issues, many and essays as well,

834
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:30.960
but he is a successful writer.
Many of your titles are very successful,

835
01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:35.760
both in Spain and in many countries
of the world, and well,

836
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:41.800
it is interesting that you can enter
the Mario Escobar page that and there you

837
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:46.159
will see your bibliography and a number
of very interesting options. But we have

838
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:50.000
it here today to tell us about
Europe, where Europe is going to be.

839
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:57.439
The story is a slam. The
history of Europe is a broad history,

840
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.079
brief parts of the history of Europe. Speaking of what we are talking

841
01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:06.520
about, talking about where Europe is
going, it seems to be with the

842
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:15.920
two great hinos of freedom and social
justice, which were the great proclamations of

843
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:19.520
the creation of the European Union.
But where are we, where do we

844
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:25.680
come from and where are we going? Good morning, dear Mario Hello,

845
01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:29.399
good morning. It is a pleasure
star poured in July. Nice to see

846
01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:31.880
you, too, buddy. I
know that in a moment you will tell

847
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:38.720
us about some of your titles that
are already out there also more recent and

848
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:44.479
some others of interest to all readers, that we are many of your books.

849
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:49.840
But Europe cannot avoid social discourse.
Well, and what I was talking

850
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:56.000
to journalist Daniel Oscán. We are
talking about everything but Europe, real Europe,

851
01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:00.399
the question of Europe, its own
positions, its needs, its real

852
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:10.720
future, and so on. Here
we talk about bronches and speckling against each

853
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:15.760
other. It' s a shame. Especially in Spain we are the political

854
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:20.680
navajeo that ayí is very alarming.
But going to the idea, I was

855
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:28.800
seeing different things. According to Pedro
Laine, something comes in a great writer

856
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:34.359
and historian also about Europe and tomorrow
and what Europe is and what it is

857
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:40.359
and there it is talked about.
He speaks of the influence, among others,

858
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:45.920
of Greece and the contribution of Christianity. And some of his contemporaries say

859
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.600
that Europe, without the Bible,
without Christianity and if it had not been

860
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:57.119
the same in the Bible, would
be a totally socially disaggregated continent. You

861
01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.600
' re okay with that. Well, the history of Europe, as you

862
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.560
well say, is very old.
In fact, we carry the old continent

863
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:12.159
has a long period of classical culture, although we could by putting a date

864
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:18.319
more or less in the period of
Pericles And what was that tenas as incredible

865
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:26.680
of the first great philosophers as the
Origin, which is curious because it is

866
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:30.920
at the foot of Asia. Gracia
is almost very close to Asia, Asia

867
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:35.760
minor and then all Asia and was
a little stellar. Among those powerful Asian

868
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:42.359
cultures, the Fritese Tigris river,
where civilization is born as we understand it

869
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:46.600
more now, Hugo Egypt, true
with its Nile, well, it grew

870
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:51.640
to be that small territory of evidence
of that State. It is where the

871
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:59.640
main evaluations of Europe are born,
freedom, democracy, the whole idealistic world

872
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:05.960
that creates socrats of universal ideas,
beauty, love and so many other things.

873
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:12.119
And about that, about that philosophy
of ideas, The first philosophers had

874
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.960
dedicated themselves to studying nature, but
he studies man, for from that he

875
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:20.119
is born in that quest for man
in Asia. That' s not gonna

876
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:25.000
happen on other continents. And that
is the first pillar that will be passed

877
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:30.159
on in Europe, that quest for
man. Understand the human being, understand

878
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.479
it and then, as you well
say, the arrival of Christianity is going

879
01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:36.079
to unify all that, because well, I already see it a nest in

880
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:40.239
some sense the Roman Empire, truth. But the Roman Empire was a synthetist.

881
01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:42.479
I was looking for more than anything, it was a political power for

882
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:47.960
you. Religion did not care so
much for truth as to worship the emperor

883
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:54.920
and sacrifice itself to the Roman state. And even though it was true something

884
01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:00.640
that long cohesioned Europe, but it
was a position. Although the world was

885
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:05.439
formalized customs, ways of seeing,
but thoughts, the way of understanding the

886
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:11.760
world remained very different in each part
of the Empire. Then it comes to

887
01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:15.479
Christianity and what it does get through
a long period. We are talking about

888
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:20.600
nearly four hundred years until it is
consolidated and universalized already in all that was

889
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:27.359
the Roman Empire manages to have a
common project. I talk a lot in

890
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:32.119
my classes in the union that the
culture that manages to build a better story

891
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:38.399
is the one that responds to the
one that surpasses the others. And Europe,

892
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:41.880
having that story about the world,
a world that has a beginning and

893
01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:46.880
an end, that has a savior, someone who came to save the world

894
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:53.920
and will return that idea of linear
history, to go towards a goal,

895
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:59.840
because it turned Europe into a great
civilization on these two pillars, curiously that

896
01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:03.560
seem contradictory, but that relate to
each other, man and faith, Christianity

897
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:10.560
and this incessant search for the meaning
of life, were those pillars that have

898
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:15.119
supported Europe. Of course, in
the last forty- fifty years the two

899
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:20.439
pillars have been worn out, and
right now we are almost in a broken

900
01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:26.600
society and a Europe in a deep
crisis. What an interesting reflection, ladies

901
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:32.000
and gentlemen, to put us in
perspective from the origins of Socrates and Good

902
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:40.359
Aristotle, with his magna ora for
politics that already gives a little profile to

903
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:46.880
the social life of citizens. And
it is true that Europe is the old

904
01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.760
world, but everything is born from
here. This is where universal history is

905
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:57.560
born, where the continents were good, but really the bodybuilding and everything is

906
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:02.439
born from here. And now we
are taking a leap, a leap of

907
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:08.960
polegy, but enormous historical, And
we come to modern times, where the

908
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:15.479
European Union is constituted, based on
two fundamental axes, the preservation of human

909
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:20.560
freedoms and the improvement of human freedoms
and social justice among them, and also

910
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:28.319
the distribution of economic wealth. And
well, in that sense it' s

911
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:31.960
been very interesting. But what has
happened at the same time and I want

912
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:36.920
you to give us some thoughts,
which has resulted in the total de-

913
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:42.119
Christianization of Europe. Right. Yes, the problem is that Europe has been

914
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:51.439
idealized in many ways. This European
construction was therefore not so cylindrical, that

915
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:57.479
construction on democracy, freedom. If
we do not forget that the first is

916
01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.600
a common market. I mean,
there' s a common market left,

917
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:02.239
the steel hi. Europe realizes that
the world which is sometimes the largest,

918
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:09.800
which develops in a faster way,
which is more competitive in many ways and

919
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:15.920
ends up trying to join economically after
the same way has suffered a great deal.

920
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:28.479
Germany is growing and so that prevents
these complex cultures from developing. Then

921
01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.199
we see that common market, which
is uniting Europe so that there are no

922
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:36.760
economic borders. And there comes a
time when there is also an attempt to

923
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:44.920
establish a political union and under that
the European Constitution is made, with those

924
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:49.439
rights of social justice, of seeking
support and those ideals that we have been

925
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:56.560
talking about democracy, freedom. This
is well- being that is being dissolved

926
01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:02.319
and there are beginning to be European
laws that I believe are seeking more control

927
01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:11.720
of the states, are seeking more
to politically manage the peoples and is politicized

928
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:15.600
because all the European institutions no longer
fulfil their function, that it was more

929
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:20.359
feeling of Europe, that people felt
more free, belonged to that club that

930
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:27.760
was economically protective, but also had
objectives as you say social and political.

931
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.560
I believe that the idea of the
Berlin Wall, because it ends with the

932
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:39.600
other antagonistic gral and we realize that
Europe had come together to forge this advance

933
01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:45.680
of communism in Europe and for a
number of economic interests. When, moreover,

934
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:49.720
the economy is globalized and many companies
are outside the continent, Europe begins

935
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:55.560
to have less economic relevance and you
no longer have a political enemy. That

936
01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:59.680
is why we are now at such
a special and curious moment, because,

937
01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:05.359
imagine, we now have again a
very powerful political enemy, such as Russia

938
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:11.520
and Foting and everything you are doing
in the former Soviet Union, and Europe

939
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:17.319
has woken up or is slowly like
that old man, for slowly lifting itself

940
01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:24.199
from that dream that it has had
of prosperity, realizing that it is totally

941
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:30.039
dependent on China, especially India,
for other countries of South- East Asia,

942
01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:35.239
where almost everything is produced, and
now European citizens are also demanding drastic

943
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.399
changes. And all of that,
then, joins a crisis of values unprecedented

944
01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:45.720
to We live in a time when
a crisis of values at a global level

945
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:51.600
in almost all civilizations and cultures that
have put into play, all because crisis

946
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:59.840
in the family, individual crisis,
crisis of identity. And, on the

947
01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:03.840
other hand, in the face of
that crisis and that great moral vacuum there

948
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:10.319
is, ideologies are reborn with all
their strength and power, because when there

949
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:16.159
is a moral vacuum, it has
to be filled by ideology, which is

950
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:21.439
already an artificial construct, which sets
out a series of ideals that, in

951
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:24.640
these senses, blind the human being. They make him go towards those ideals,

952
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.800
forgetting the real problems that each of
these citizens is experiencing. Then,

953
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.520
of course, we live in a
very interesting moment from a sociological, truth

954
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:40.319
and political point of view, and
it will even be a great time for

955
01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:46.000
historians, but very dangerous in the
sense of a Europe without direction, divided,

956
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.680
full of contradictions. And now in
these Europeans they play a lot.

957
01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:57.680
In these elections, which are soon
to be held on this European Parliament,

958
01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:01.720
I see so many turbulences. Well
World, there really are turbulences and in

959
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:10.000
the Middle East, in the United
States, in Latin America, in the

960
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:13.560
other continents, but in Europe,
the self- complacent Europe. No,

961
01:29:14.199 --> 01:29:18.680
I notice insecurities, obviously now,
with the war of the Russian invasion over

962
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:26.760
the attempt to invade Ukraine criminally,
as Putin is doing, and well,

963
01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:34.199
everything that is being triggered around that
an important arms race because the fear of

964
01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:42.359
war, of an open war,
is there. But the military, political,

965
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:48.039
economic turbulence, and apparently the other
day there was a kind of joke

966
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:57.199
I saw a surprise face of the
Horwell that would put two twenty- four

967
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.039
as I wanted and said my own
saying has been fulfilled and it is true.

968
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:08.359
The system even that Europe is generating
is a control system, unifying control.

969
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:14.359
This right now that all mobiles in
the European Union are proposing that all

970
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:19.239
mobiles be controlled to control pederasty.
And to control pederasty, we have to

971
01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:25.640
control every citizen' s mobile phone, which is theoretically already controlled by satellites.

972
01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:30.800
But it already means everything points to
a system of antichrist truth of world

973
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:38.279
control points to that. Not good. The truth is that politics in many

974
01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:44.119
stages of history has been anti-
Christian anti- Christ. And in the

975
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:48.439
New Testament it is said that many
antichrists have risen up because they are mentioned

976
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:55.479
as one who, sometimes religiously,
sometimes politically, rises up against all the

977
01:30:55.560 --> 01:31:00.600
values that Christ came to transmit to
the earth, values such as love of

978
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:04.119
neighbor, such as Jewry, helps
the disadvantaged, such as the search for

979
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:13.359
truth, as the search for social
justice. When there are powers that are

980
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:17.039
concrete people and even groups, they
can not only be a person, but

981
01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:23.000
a group, an elite, they
stand against those values. There have already

982
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:26.680
been antichrists and there have been many. There has been a neron, for

983
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:31.239
he was the first to mention Christian
history, but we see how Napoleon himself

984
01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:36.279
was considered antichrist in his time,
self crowned, true emperor, taking from

985
01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:43.600
the Pope that crown, naturally,
of off Hilller. We could talk about

986
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:48.399
Stalin and other great dictators like Mosetún, who were antichrists, were anti-

987
01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:55.960
value of what Christ proposed and now
and murderer and the rest good, murderers

988
01:31:56.119 --> 01:32:00.840
of their own peoples and of the
foreign peoples that invaded. Then there is

989
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:06.399
a policy, a way of thinking, of seeing the world that is always

990
01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:12.720
anti- Christian and against the Christ, or is anti- Christ and we

991
01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:16.079
live perhaps in a time that is
that formula. It is increasingly dangerous,

992
01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:24.520
because the control it has over individuals
is greater. Let us think of Rome,

993
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:29.359
for the control an emperor could have
at that time was very small.

994
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:33.760
Let' s think practically minimally about
what happened, even the Napoleonic invasions,

995
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:38.319
are the Giles dogs. Hitler already
had greater control of society, but also

996
01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:45.720
comparatively very small and clearly, because
he could not dominate every sphere of the

997
01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:48.199
human being. But, as you
say right now, because thanks to technology,

998
01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.640
it is very easy, very simple, to control the human being.

999
01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:59.560
And that bothers us, fills us
with uncertainty, with fear, because we

1000
01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:08.000
can be constantly watched, constantly recorded
and then you use those images or those

1001
01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:11.439
words in any way. Then,
in addition, all this is linked to

1002
01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:17.479
artificial intelligence, which is already dominating
many systems, many large companies are controlled

1003
01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:24.880
with artificial intelligence and security systems and
soon, as we will see that in

1004
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:28.800
that sense we are also going to
be even more controlled by this artificial intelligence.

1005
01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:32.720
Of course, when Christians have imagined
the end of times, as Orwell

1006
01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:36.680
did with his novel, which was
a great criticism, the totalitarian system,

1007
01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:42.520
especially communist of the time that many
admired, and he who had been a

1008
01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:45.960
very left- wing name and I
have come to Spain to roach the civil

1009
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:49.560
gra, especially in Catalonia, because
we see that he realizes the danger of

1010
01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:56.520
the end of the religious system that
ideologies suppose. As you said before,

1011
01:33:56.560 --> 01:34:00.840
we have removed Christianity from the equation
of Europe. For a long time we

1012
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:04.760
have put ideologies in which there is
a cult to the leader. What they

1013
01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:10.359
have been trying to do since the
1960s to Europe is to build a Europe

1014
01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:14.840
that more with Europe, as you
said about that prosperity, inequality, that

1015
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:19.039
solidarity. If it is a question
in Europe that dominates the rest of the

1016
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:24.800
territories and an idea of Europe that
is far removed from the reality of the

1017
01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:29.680
citizens, then all this makes us
very uncertain, very afraid. And besides,

1018
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:31.279
we see that it is something on
a global level. There is only

1019
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:39.760
one need, then, for a
politician to show his ability to dominate the

1020
01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:43.359
world, his ability to bring peace, something that is the human being,

1021
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:47.760
nela from the beginning security and peace, which are promises that the Bible tells

1022
01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:53.840
us, that Antichrist will give to
humanity, and also the war of Israel

1023
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:59.840
also one of those thermometers of history. And we see that it seems that

1024
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:06.199
everyone is preparing in some way for
that end of time. This is not

1025
01:35:06.439 --> 01:35:10.960
possible and Europe has much to do
with that end of history, as we

1026
01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:15.920
conceive it in the West. Yes, it seems that we do not want

1027
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:21.439
to believe that the prophecies already in
the 20th century the great prophecy of the

1028
01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:26.199
reconstitution of the one millennial state.
There are States that have been reconstituted,

1029
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:30.760
but not millennials like Israel. And
this gives more prominence to the thing.

1030
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:35.479
The only reconstituted millennial State that has
regained its national identity for all intents and

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01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:41.399
purposes has been Israel. And it
is a fulfilled prophecy, unmistakably fulfilled.

1032
01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:46.239
And but everything that' s going
on, obviously, and we don'

1033
01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:50.560
t want to believe that everything points
towards the end of time. I don

1034
01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:58.239
' t know if it' ll
be decades or but this doesn' t

1035
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:01.359
last long, as it looks now. I was thinking about Yorwell and the

1036
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:04.079
theme of nine hundred and sixty-
four. But rebellion at the Farm is

1037
01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:11.239
another prophetic issue. This man who
acted was a prophet because of things that

1038
01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:16.680
explain what has happened. Just like
not And now I' m going to

1039
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:23.600
provoke you a little bit to You
Mario, as a writer the subject and

1040
01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:28.520
maybe find out that you already have
some of this, the AI artificial intelligence

1041
01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:33.359
issue. If there' s a
cyber blackout that may control almost everything or

1042
01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:41.439
everything from hospitals, services, from
a whole country, you can paralyze a

1043
01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:45.920
hack from a country, from an
institution, from many institutions, from a

1044
01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:51.039
city and that and it' s
already happening, because there are already fires

1045
01:36:51.239 --> 01:37:00.479
of that. That may be a
collective hijacking of hidden powers you say,

1046
01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:02.680
well, now you' re covering
July, but it' s credible.

1047
01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:14.279
I' m somehow violating the territory
of a new novel of yours or no

1048
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:18.359
good could be we haven' t
already seen cases of similar situations. It

1049
01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:24.560
is clear that wars are now being
played in many different fields, it is

1050
01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:29.720
like the great chess, which we
sometimes believe is only true by launching missiles

1051
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:33.840
or bombs or sending armies of cyber
warfare that began to do decades ago and

1052
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:42.479
that is increasingly vicious. There are
large systems of cyberattacks established in countries such

1053
01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:46.520
as China especially and also Russia.
Also in Europe and the United States he

1054
01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:53.079
makes his attacks against his enemies.
In that sense, and as you say,

1055
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:59.520
right now. Being such a complex
society, we are so vulnerable to

1056
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:02.880
the control of the electricity law and
the media, perseveringly of the Internet.

1057
01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:10.319
Only with those control of those two
would they practically hack the whole world.

1058
01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:15.279
No. We have no way to
survive. Not in the past, a

1059
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:17.720
hundred years ago people had lived in
the countryside. Eighty percent had an orchard,

1060
01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:23.840
they could try a little bit to
survive a goat. I don'

1061
01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:28.800
t know anything they could hunt us
down right now we depend 100% on

1062
01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:32.039
technology. The funny thing is that
this message of the end of the world,

1063
01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.800
not that we are commenting now and
have to do with Europe with this

1064
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:41.840
end of the world, is something
that previously seemed to only say, especially

1065
01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.640
Christians, although good muso or Muslim
has his idea also of the end of

1066
01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:47.319
the world and not very different from
the Christian one. But now we see

1067
01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:50.640
in the secular world that speaks of
the end of the world. Yes,

1068
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:54.600
yes, yes, yes, yes, such a good, sometimes they see

1069
01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:58.319
it from an ecological point of view, not a world that collapses due to

1070
01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:04.000
the excessive exploitation of raw materials and
the expulsion of gases into the atmosphere,

1071
01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:10.079
and that makes climate change so apocalyptic
that it destroys the world. Sometimes because

1072
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:15.920
of the excess of the end of
those resources, sometimes because of a massive

1073
01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:19.680
cyber attack, even artificial intelligence,
rebelling against the human being himself. I

1074
01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:28.159
recently saw robots. I think that
the Chinese military military uses drones, which

1075
01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:32.840
are half robots also a little directed, but with intelligence already surely personal.

1076
01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:39.560
Then we see that all this,
which looked like science novels, fiction,

1077
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.000
is happening. And then there'
s another novel you' ll like about

1078
01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:45.520
Hootley, too. We are going
to a happy world and, in the

1079
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:51.880
meantime, it is a happy world
people, we are all so entertaining,

1080
01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:59.600
so immersed in that water of constant
information that leaves us almost with the mind

1081
01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:03.640
blank and so many visual mule styles
that it seems that all of that doesn

1082
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:06.119
' t matter to us. We
would rather not think of it as if

1083
01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:13.239
the Titanic sank while the orchestra plays
its last song and Europe sometimes gives that

1084
01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:18.239
feeling. There are small signs that
things can change. I was not talking

1085
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:24.960
about having a personal friend who works
at the drug agency who is so famous

1086
01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:28.039
for the whole pandemic, and how
we are trying, for example, to

1087
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:33.079
produce medicine in Europe that almost all
is produced outside the microchips. And Europe

1088
01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:39.680
is trying to react to this.
But it is also trying to increase military

1089
01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:45.159
spending to make itself safer. But
the failure there I think you agreed with

1090
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:48.680
me, is that Europe lacks that
idea as a whole, not that idea

1091
01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:55.000
of the whole that Christianity gave it. But then we should define whether Christianity

1092
01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:58.920
is an individual act or something collective. This is not what St Augustine does,

1093
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:01.560
it is the city of God in
which either it has been the great

1094
01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:08.119
debate if the society that is Christian
or it is the individuals that there is

1095
01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:12.800
in that society that is to be
Christians because they form a Christian society,

1096
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:16.600
because it is true that the values
principles ways of thinking about Christianity came to

1097
01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:21.680
impel everything, because, justice,
political government, the way of understanding society

1098
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:26.720
and even the idea of democracy,
as we understand it comes from the Greeks,

1099
01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:31.159
then has its good mix in the
time of reform that is given by

1100
01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:36.159
the current parliamentary democracy. But instead, we see that that fails. So,

1101
01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:42.079
even if Europe tries to arm itself
again, try again to have a

1102
01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:45.920
common political position and be relevant in
the world, it lacks what is important

1103
01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:50.960
not that account that of a universal
Europe consciousness, and I believe that Christianity

1104
01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:57.600
should be that account. But on
the other hand, Christianity in Europe continues

1105
01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:00.359
to decline at forced rates n n
n ns countries. Others not so much,

1106
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:05.600
curiously, in the countries of the
East, that so much was attacked

1107
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:13.640
in this sense, maintain their Christian
conditions, while the West, because it

1108
01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:19.960
is in a free fall of religious
beliefs and especially Christianity. The absolute,

1109
01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:27.560
absolute, absolute secularization, the exclusion
in the social imaginary of the Jewish Christian

1110
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:31.680
culture as a culture, according to
some of these aware, of turn,

1111
01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:42.319
that is repressive, guilty and anachronistic. And so, but it turns out

1112
01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:46.680
that on this foundation it has been
and Protestant reform has had a lot to

1113
01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:50.560
do with the birth of modern democracy. I mean, it' s clear,

1114
01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:54.640
but, well, this would give
a lot more of itself mario.

1115
01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:59.880
Of course, with you, we
can talk about such interesting things that we

1116
01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:04.319
are talking about Europe, where it
is going and the origins of Europe and

1117
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:10.840
Europe' s current affairs, but
let' s talk about your books,

1118
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:13.039
talking about your latest audiences. I
have here the page then. You can

1119
01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:17.119
enter the Marius Cobar page. Mario
Escobar' s official website is and there

1120
01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:24.239
you will see many interesting things.
Tell us about your latest publications, in

1121
01:43:24.319 --> 01:43:29.319
which you draw our attention. The
truth is that this year has been very

1122
01:43:29.399 --> 01:43:35.520
productive. There were practically three novels
in a row, two more for America

1123
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:39.840
and one for Spain, the Spanish. It is the Bookstore of Madrid,

1124
01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:44.680
which talks about the civil war and
about a German free one coming to Madrid.

1125
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:49.359
He opened a bookstore also behind the
story of love and integrates into the

1126
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:54.520
German Community of Madrid, which was
mostly very close to what would be the

1127
01:43:54.600 --> 01:44:00.560
Lutheran church that was in the city
and the College go that had been founded

1128
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:05.640
by the Flitner family. But it
is a bit the unfortunate adventures problems of

1129
01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:14.359
this young barbarian who finds a Madrid
full of mysteries with also a buoyant culture.

1130
01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:17.520
That time of the meetings, the
books begin to reach everyone and good

1131
01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:24.000
is discovering that wonderful Madrid by the
hand of a real character, Luis Fernández

1132
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:28.479
Beor, who was a writer of
police novel of the 1930s in Madrid,

1133
01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:35.960
And everything gets complicated. Ideologies begin
to have so much strength in that Madrid

1134
01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:41.159
and in that Spain of the Republic, that they begin to deteriorate everything until

1135
01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:44.840
the outbreak of the civil war and
what happened afterwards. Then a historical novel,

1136
01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:48.720
but also a tribute to books,
bookstores, all those booksellers. True,

1137
01:44:49.000 --> 01:44:55.039
for decades they have helped us to
keep dreaming to see what in the

1138
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:58.960
books Sometimes there is a hope that
there is not in the reality that surrounds

1139
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:01.920
us and it is a novel that, well, already carries its second edition

1140
01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:09.199
State. I have travelled practically all
over Spain with many readers who have enjoyed

1141
01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:13.039
this adventure and already finishing with the
Madrid Book Fair. I' ve got

1142
01:45:13.039 --> 01:45:15.319
two days left. I was already
the first day and well, with the

1143
01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:17.920
good news that it had never happened
to me that at the time and little

1144
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:23.359
of being signing, all the books
were finished and I left earlier because they

1145
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:27.079
had been exhausted. Then we hope
that these remaining days will also be so.

1146
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:30.239
And then there are two very different
stories. One about Juan de Valdés,

1147
01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:35.079
The Beauty of Words, which is
a novel about this character that makes

1148
01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:39.800
the dialogue of the language and the
dialogue of Christian doctrine. Okay. The

1149
01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:44.439
first one I mentioned before goes out
with editions. B conditions came out And

1150
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:49.039
this is with BH, which is
an American publishing house and Bueno is also

1151
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:54.199
being, because very read by the
old Good, the new continent, better

1152
01:45:54.199 --> 01:45:59.000
said, the old ones are for
us and I have had several interviews with

1153
01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:03.159
different countries of America and they are
falling in love with this Spanish character so

1154
01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:08.479
forgotten by his heterodoxy. How he
is the brother of Alfonso Valdés, secretary

1155
01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:15.279
of Carlos v a man who creates
together with Nebrija, because the first grammar,

1156
01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.079
an incredible man, but also,
a life full of emotion and adventure.

1157
01:46:17.279 --> 01:46:20.960
And this novel, because it also
came out in this first half of

1158
01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:26.119
the year. And the third that
came out was the commander of the people

1159
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:30.760
who gave the story of Camilo Cienfuegos
about revolutionary Cuba. He' s dating

1160
01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:34.720
Spanish harper Colins. And how,
then, this man who supports the revolution

1161
01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:39.880
then realizes that he does not go
to the place he thought and tries to

1162
01:46:40.039 --> 01:46:43.560
reveal himself. But it' s
too late. Then the story of the

1163
01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:46.800
walk of Fires, son of Spaniards, as Fidel Castro was, and so,

1164
01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:51.520
a very politically meaningful man, but
also very much loved by the Cuban

1165
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:56.880
people, because, while others gave
great speeches, truth and very long speeches.

1166
01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:01.199
He was with the people and then, this man began to put himself

1167
01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:06.800
in the regime and disappeared a little. That story with Spanish Harper Corense is

1168
01:47:06.920 --> 01:47:12.720
the third one that came out early
in the year and very excited because within

1169
01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:16.319
a very little time it is reissued
Canción de Cuna Dousby that, in a

1170
01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:20.680
novel that has been exhausted for a
long time, comes out with B editions

1171
01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:28.279
in pocket on the fourth of July, or a very significant date and is

1172
01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:31.560
the anteroom of October when it will
come out again in the big song size

1173
01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:33.239
of Cuna Dawsvid and Auswit' s
love song, which is the last work

1174
01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:39.239
I have written. It will be
released by October of this year on paper

1175
01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:43.439
and in the e- book,
and I will come back again for Sousbi,

1176
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:47.520
after almost ten years of my first
novel about Usbie' s lullaby and

1177
01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:53.760
good and then I could keep talking
because there' s a book about Coritein

1178
01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:59.159
Boon coming out in February of the
year that' s written one about Hoffer

1179
01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:02.000
and a soro novel with Hoffer,
so it doesn' t go beyond working

1180
01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:03.720
with many stories that I' ll
tell in very interesting. Or to a

1181
01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:10.279
song that she' s beautiful.
That novel is beautiful and it can wet

1182
01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:16.159
me like so many others. I
am very interested in Mario Escobar' s

1183
01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:21.319
Bookshop of Madrid, one of his
latest publications. Very interesting for her,

1184
01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:29.880
for her and then the theme of
the beauty of the words that we find

1185
01:48:29.960 --> 01:48:32.560
in the story of Juan de Valdez
and the brightness of his prose, in

1186
01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:38.359
the darkness of the inquisition. It
is what in some way is the description,

1187
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:44.439
that is to say another of Mario
Escobar' s literary beauties and interesting,

1188
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:49.840
also historical and novel. The village
commander is also this one. One

1189
01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:56.039
of the last works. It is
a novel based on the life of Camilo

1190
01:48:56.119 --> 01:49:02.119
one hundred Fires and his mysterious death
by the Castro regime, apparently the colleague,

1191
01:49:02.359 --> 01:49:08.680
but that removed the Stalin and Mausetun
style from the middle with the campaign

1192
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.479
of the one hundred Flowers and so
many others who were ultimately murderers. But

1193
01:49:12.560 --> 01:49:18.359
of those choirs there are not hundreds
of thousands, but millions of people who

1194
01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:25.560
take them away from middle dissidents.
But how interesting to read from those who

1195
01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:29.680
know the story, he is a
historian, he is a professor of the

1196
01:49:29.680 --> 01:49:33.479
subject. There is also that writer, a successful writer. Yes, because

1197
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:40.720
it is, we are not talking
about flattering you, because it is your

1198
01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:46.920
novels and your narratives and your history
books, because being among the many highlights

1199
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:54.880
of the current bibliography, the narrative
and other literary disciplines, as you know,

1200
01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:59.399
for directly from the Amazon platform you
can also access in addition to your

1201
01:49:59.479 --> 01:50:04.119
pages. God cobar is yes also
right now, for example, the bookseller

1202
01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:10.239
of Madrid can be bought on all
platforms English cut or go to the shops

1203
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:15.199
there in the fairs of many cities
that are now, because beginning ending up

1204
01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:19.439
in the nag at home of the
book, in any bookstore and those who

1205
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:21.800
listen to us from the other side
of the world. Well, there'

1206
01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:26.399
s the eBook right now and the
physical Book will come out by July.

1207
01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:30.920
For the United States and then,
from there also reach Mexico between July and

1208
01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:35.319
August and other cities and countries of
Hispanic America the rest of the summer,

1209
01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:39.800
that is, it will be arriving
by the end of the summer. I

1210
01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:44.319
believe Argentina and other places. Well, I' m going to go because

1211
01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:49.920
I have near the English Gordi to
get the Bookstore of Madrid, which I

1212
01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:58.800
don' t have and I want
to give him the glove, because dear

1213
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:04.600
Mario, a pleasure to talk to
you immensely because here listening to someone like

1214
01:51:04.920 --> 01:51:06.800
you, because we stay, because
we are mouthed at many times. But

1215
01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:12.760
for that is the program of the
train of life, also to cultivate and

1216
01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:17.119
to make known at least some scraps, because we can not stay as many

1217
01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:24.640
hours as we want, But how
important it is to talk about Europe before

1218
01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:28.840
and after and now and the Europe
that comes, which is uncertain, but

1219
01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:31.960
also of the books, the bibliography
of Mario Escobar, which is so prolific

1220
01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:35.000
and so interesting. Dear friend,
I' m sending you a big hug.

1221
01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:40.239
Well, I say Julio, thanks
also to you for this wonderful program,

1222
01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:45.600
which spreads culture in all its senses
and so necessary, because a human

1223
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:48.680
right, like others who speak so
much, is the right to culture and

1224
01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:54.000
that continues to defend it. So
it is, it is, therefore,

1225
01:51:54.239 --> 01:52:23.279
a very affectionate embrace even forever.
Good hug Chao Chao, the life train

1226
01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:35.439
hello. Friends, it' s
Julio Perez. You know I' m

1227
01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:42.359
the director of the radio show,
the weekly Magaxing, the train of life.

1228
01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.199
And it does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through

1229
01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:53.439
many human landscapes and many curiosities and
things of life, earthly life and heavenly

1230
01:52:53.520 --> 01:53:01.119
life. I also have the joy
of telling you that I published my book,

1231
01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:05.319
a book that has to do with
the train of life. There are

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01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:15.560
fifty selected articles written by me.
There are six seasons and in each season

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01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:20.640
there is a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny.

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01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:28.560
These are the things I tell in
this book. These are perceptions, analyses,

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01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:38.279
experiences, comments and other curiosity in
those fifty reflections, in those six

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01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:42.439
seasons, until we arrive at the
station. There is also a very important

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01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:48.479
block. This book can already be
found on Amazon on the editorial platform of

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01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:53.960
Amazón. Traveling on the train of
life is called the book. It'

1239
01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:59.720
s the title of the book Traveling
on the Train of Life. Julio Pérez,

1240
01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:05.039
a server is the author. Then
there you can well know that the

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01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:11.079
train tells us about trips, trips
through life. Life is a kind of

1242
01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:15.479
living parable, like a running train, that there are so many sensations and

1243
01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:20.479
so many experiences inside the train and
what we are seeing inside and what we

1244
01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:27.600
see from the train out. Well, that' s where I propose you

1245
01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:29.359
have access to this book. Look
at this book. I' ve done

1246
01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:30.760
it with a lot of love.
I think there are things that are very

1247
01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:36.720
dear, very intimate, and others
not so intimate are very, very open,

1248
01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:41.720
but it is a book that I
have done from the heart and with

1249
01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:47.119
the heart traveling on the train of
life. It is the title of a

1250
01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:51.720
Julio Pérez server on Amazon' s
editorial platform. You can find him.

1251
01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:59.640
The book has a cost of fifteen
euros in about 180 pages and everything collected

1252
01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:05.279
from that book is invested, reinvested
in the radio project of Onda Paz or

1253
01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:11.319
Napau and in the train of life. Of course it is part of the

1254
01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:15.840
project so that this is put on
and kept going as long as it never

1255
01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:20.560
stops So, I remind you and
I thank you in advance for buying my

1256
01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:27.720
book on Amazon' s platform.
Traveling in the train of the life of

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01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:58.800
a servant Julio Pérez. Thank you. Until always he was not a doctor

1258
01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:09.840
everything that changed my heart, it
was not your majesty and your splendor that

1259
01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:19.720
speaks to me and comes to me
solmor, which leads me to follow this

1260
01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:31.479
path to the end. It was
your love, your impossible compassion, your

1261
01:56:31.479 --> 01:56:45.560
tail, the sweet sora of this
was your tender love like the pure breeze

1262
01:56:46.199 --> 01:57:01.239
that heals like a smile and that
of an arm. It was your way

1263
01:57:02.359 --> 01:57:24.960
of seeing love you give. It
wasn' t authority that changed my condition,

1264
01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:36.279
it wasn' t your immense glory, your fulgo, what I prided

1265
01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:45.880
myself on, what has me to
your feet that leads me to believe,

1266
01:57:46.279 --> 01:58:05.760
for your love, your impossible compassion, your wave that does sora tru was

1267
01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:19.479
your love as tender as the breeze
that heals as an arm smile. It

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01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:35.840
was the crozi as devilss say reserves
says negotiable to be your dog. It

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01:58:45.920 --> 01:59:01.039
was so that gender- based violence
would never leave this sign again. Society

1270
01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:11.840
has this other zero sixteen tell me
calmly. We' re going to help

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01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:15.439
you at the first sign of mistreatment. Call phone zero sixteen can mean another

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01:59:15.560 --> 01:59:30.199
life. A government of Spain hard
travels on the train of life. Or

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01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:48.159
ladies and gentlemen, we have already
come to the colors of life. Life

1274
01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:57.479
is a pantone of different colors,
reliefs, perspectives and shapes. Life is

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01:59:57.640 --> 02:00:04.359
polyhedral in so many aspects, so
many different bodies. And this is one

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02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:10.520
of the Conjugal life. But in
the Conjugal life when obstacles occur, the

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02:00:10.760 --> 02:00:15.960
obstacles in our communication as a couple, which is very important for the development

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02:00:16.039 --> 02:00:23.840
of a healthy coexistence, conjugal coexistence. A saying says no one throws stones

1279
02:00:24.039 --> 02:00:28.239
or sticks at a fruitless tree.
And in the field of couple relationships,

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02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:31.359
there is a tree from which good
fruits can be reaped and it is good

1281
02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:38.680
communication. However, as the proverb
seems to say, this tree often has

1282
02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:45.199
enemies and obstacles that can cast fruit
on the ground. For that it is

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02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:51.439
necessary to know them in order to
be able to overcome them successfully, since

1284
02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:59.079
the ignorance of these obstacles is the
first factor that makes them seemingly so insurmountable

1285
02:00:59.279 --> 02:01:01.920
in some cases, and today we
ask ourselves some things. Let' s

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02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:08.199
talk to Daniel Gaso about this.
There we have him online with us directly.

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02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:14.880
Good morning, dear, Daniel,
friend, good morning, July and

1288
02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:19.640
good morning to all who listen to
us. Daniel, the first question I

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02:01:19.760 --> 02:01:26.239
put to you to open this topic, this debate. What are these obstacles

1290
02:01:26.319 --> 02:01:32.159
in the communicative relationship? Therefore,
one of the problems that hinders good communication

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02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:39.159
in the couple' s environment is
the accumulation of small conflicts and discrepancies that

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02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:44.520
end without closing, that is,
without dialogue. What it means to shut

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02:01:44.520 --> 02:01:48.159
down. It means dialogue and leaving
an acceptable agreement on what happened and how

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02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:51.760
to prevent it from happening. Perhaps
if we do not create the habit of

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02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:58.479
dialogue in the discrepancies, then of
listening and committing ourselves to the solution of

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02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:00.600
the problem through some kind of agreement
or the ponto conflict. It ends up

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02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:05.119
acting like a small fire, that
is, it ignites per hard for a

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02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:11.920
small time and then it goes extinct
without doing anything, it simply goes out,

1299
02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:15.159
but its ashes remain there and when
it avoids us, we will let

1300
02:02:15.239 --> 02:02:21.000
the small conflicts end without talking or
from them it accumulates resentments and how many

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02:02:21.079 --> 02:02:28.600
slopes that finally become an obstacle and
discourages us to feed our communication. We

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02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:32.319
always say that we have to keep
short accounts and that is one of the

1303
02:02:32.399 --> 02:02:39.000
obstacles in communication, but the tone
and attitude we maintain in our interactions,

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02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:44.880
as a couple, also exert an
important influence in favor of communication or not.

1305
02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:50.279
It' s not like that,
Daniel, because it' s the

1306
02:02:50.359 --> 02:02:55.359
tone we use in our interactions with
our partner, the attitude, the kind

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02:02:56.199 --> 02:02:59.119
of expression, all that conveys to
the other person the role we give him

1308
02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:02.399
in the interaction. It' s
very important to see if I can explain

1309
02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:05.000
that to myself in that respect.
For example, instead of being an interaction

1310
02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:11.479
an exchange of communication between two equal
adults, which is what it should be

1311
02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:15.319
in the context of the couple,
it may look like an interaction between,

1312
02:03:15.720 --> 02:03:17.359
for example, a father and a
daughter, or a mother and a son,

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02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:21.239
or a boss and an employee,
or someone wise and someone ignorant,

1314
02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:26.640
or someone who is right and someone
who is wrong, etc. This causes

1315
02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:30.399
the interaction to become hostile. Why, then, because one of the two

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02:03:30.560 --> 02:03:36.680
captures the role given to him in
the background and even if he is not

1317
02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:43.319
fully aware. One hundred percent reject
it, feel uncomfortable, undervalued and a

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02:03:43.720 --> 02:03:47.720
simple act of communication becomes a conflict. The problem is that when this happens,

1319
02:03:48.159 --> 02:03:53.399
the conflict almost never closes because,
because the discussion ends up focusing on

1320
02:03:53.760 --> 02:04:00.119
the roles we give each other.
But we never end up focusing on the

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02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:04.199
real subject that needed to be discussed, on a central topic that we were

1322
02:04:04.199 --> 02:04:08.239
dealing with. So this is what
happens whenever it becomes a paper war.

1323
02:04:09.319 --> 02:04:12.960
Let' s say no, yes, I give you a role but I

1324
02:04:13.079 --> 02:04:13.520
don' t accept it, I
don' t afe. You, you

1325
02:04:13.560 --> 02:04:17.239
don' t accept it in our
conversation, in our communication and vice versa.

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02:04:17.640 --> 02:04:23.720
Then that ends up turning into a
problem. How important it is to

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02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:26.119
learn to live together and understand.
I don' t know the truth.

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02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:30.560
It has been published in many studies
that couples who give each other space,

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02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:35.520
allowing each member to have a certain
level of autonomy to engage in individual interests,

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02:04:36.119 --> 02:04:41.239
are couples whose relationship is more mature, more solid and more stable.

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02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:47.640
That’ s true, Daniel,
for as strange as some may appear as

1332
02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:53.720
it is to leave a space for
my spouse to be alone from time to

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02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:58.479
time dedicated to cultivating a healthy personal
hobby. It is an act of affirmation

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02:04:58.560 --> 02:05:03.039
in which I showed respect for our
partner and in some way, I commit

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02:05:03.159 --> 02:05:09.399
myself to his singularity, to his
tastes, to his characteristics, while at

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02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:14.439
the same time it is an act
of confidence in which I recognize that he

1337
02:05:14.439 --> 02:05:17.960
can perform. That' s very
important I also recognize that my partner can

1338
02:05:18.039 --> 02:05:24.000
do something that doesn' t prove
rewarding without me. This adds security in

1339
02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:30.399
this relationship. It means that no
one is afraid of being urgently needed no

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02:05:30.479 --> 02:05:32.920
matter how surprising it may appear to
love and communicate. It' s not

1341
02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:39.159
based on us needing each other,
even though that' s apparently a lot

1342
02:05:39.159 --> 02:05:43.159
of romantic Hollywood movies. I need
you yes famous to initiu in English,

1343
02:05:43.560 --> 02:05:47.399
but in reality the couple relationship is
not based on need, but is based

1344
02:05:47.800 --> 02:05:53.560
on that we have decided to link
our lives in a solid and sustained way.

1345
02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:57.159
It is a free decision of each
and that we renew it day by

1346
02:05:57.159 --> 02:06:00.479
day. If I' m with
you because I need it, then what

1347
02:06:00.600 --> 02:06:05.359
happens, because I' m here
because of a need and the need does

1348
02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:11.159
not allow me anything else, in
other words, I have no other choice,

1349
02:06:11.279 --> 02:06:14.199
but this is the philosophy that sometimes
hides many relationships as a couple.

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02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:18.119
When we leave mutual space, it
is a sign that our relationship is solid.

1351
02:06:19.439 --> 02:06:24.319
When husband and wife, wife and
husband leave room for each other,

1352
02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:28.840
recognizing each other in that space means
that there is a real relationship that is

1353
02:06:28.880 --> 02:06:32.880
working. Not necessarily. We have
to do everything together, even though that

1354
02:06:32.920 --> 02:06:38.640
sounds strange, but it' s
actually very real. That we don'

1355
02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:44.359
t need to go everywhere outside always
all together, as if we were months

1356
02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:48.079
ago not many times the couple'
s environment without realizing it. Julio works

1357
02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:56.319
to create dependency, and that is
not a fluid relationship or stimulates deep communication.

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02:06:57.239 --> 02:07:00.920
Dependence is dependence, but it is
a solid and deep and mature relationship,

1359
02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:05.079
because at the bottom of that relationship
what is hidden, which is the

1360
02:07:05.159 --> 02:07:11.119
fear of the loneliness of either spouse
or perhaps both. It is not a

1361
02:07:11.239 --> 02:07:14.159
matter of generating dependencies in the whole
case. What it is about is to

1362
02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:18.359
generate a relationship that is based on
love, and love is based on a

1363
02:07:18.520 --> 02:07:27.359
solid decision that we renew every day. This aspect is a very, very

1364
02:07:27.760 --> 02:07:33.000
common key. I come to my
memory couples that I know with this syndrome

1365
02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:38.239
that well, no doubt, because
they love each other and so I do

1366
02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:43.520
not doubt the contrary, but it
is a key somewhat novel and in your

1367
02:07:44.319 --> 02:07:49.840
clinical experience, because it helps us, implements us, because that idea of

1368
02:07:50.159 --> 02:08:01.720
necessary dependence. Let' s not
say not make it easier for us to

1369
02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:11.560
fulfill diverse roles to develop our vital
spaces and then converge in moments that are

1370
02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:13.880
unrenunciable together, but to learn that
non- dependence, that is an act

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02:08:13.880 --> 02:08:16.760
of maturity. I consider it that
way. It is yes, yes,

1372
02:08:16.000 --> 02:08:20.960
it is, indeed Julio is a
quote. In some cases, if that

1373
02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:26.359
were to happen, this dependence generated
would lead to extremes. We' re

1374
02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:33.640
talking about fifty or sixty years ago. There was still a brutal, very

1375
02:08:33.640 --> 02:08:39.239
strong dependence of the female figure on
the male one. There was the classic

1376
02:08:39.279 --> 02:08:43.479
figure of the lady who couldn'
t do anything if she didn' t

1377
02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:46.359
go with her husband wherever she went
and didn' t do anything if her

1378
02:08:46.359 --> 02:08:52.159
husband didn' t accompany her.
Then this even came to protect itself even

1379
02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:58.039
legally created a legal environment around that
situation that was not yet favored anymore.

1380
02:09:00.399 --> 02:09:05.000
But that really is a very,
very destructive thing. It' s not

1381
02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:07.760
a couple' s life. In
me it is a relationship of truth,

1382
02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:11.840
of deep love. It' s
dependency. Yes, yes, gentlemen,

1383
02:09:11.239 --> 02:09:16.239
it is a subject, a very
important detail. We live in an increasingly

1384
02:09:16.319 --> 02:09:22.159
complex society in which we are each
given a series of roles as we walk

1385
02:09:22.319 --> 02:09:28.159
the path of our development from childhood
to maturity and another of the obstacles in

1386
02:09:28.279 --> 02:09:37.039
communication. It' s not a
bad management of those personal roles. Well,

1387
02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:41.720
I don' t know, no
or yes and Daniel, yeah,

1388
02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:46.840
yeah. It' s certainly a
bad management. Personal roles are sort of

1389
02:09:46.880 --> 02:09:48.840
scripts. We are in a society
that is becoming more and more complex.

1390
02:09:50.920 --> 02:09:54.119
So personal mistakes are a kind of
script that everyone has to be socially accepted,

1391
02:09:54.760 --> 02:10:01.520
which defines what is expected of us
in different contexts. Thus, for

1392
02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:05.199
example, there is the role of
the professional of whatever, the role of

1393
02:10:05.640 --> 02:10:11.000
father mother in the family context,
the role of husband and wife of the

1394
02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:13.239
protext of couple, he of son
or daughter, the role of student,

1395
02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:18.800
that of citizen of the great city
or of a great nurbe, that of

1396
02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:22.600
partner or co- worker, the
disoptence of a social entity. All these

1397
02:10:22.680 --> 02:10:26.319
are different roles, each with its
own characteristics. Often the exercise of those

1398
02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:31.640
roles, of those multiple roles in
the same person, because we all have

1399
02:10:31.720 --> 02:10:37.520
many ones. Gold is difficult to
know how to alter properly, because there

1400
02:10:37.479 --> 02:10:45.600
are more and more and each one
must be treated and managed in its context

1401
02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:50.359
and can be a source of conflicts
in communicative exchanges, when, for example,

1402
02:10:50.520 --> 02:10:54.600
the Chief or Director General or the
cape cannot continue to be at home,

1403
02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:58.279
since this forces in a wrong way
to understand the relational dimension of the

1404
02:10:58.479 --> 02:11:01.880
interaction that the other, our spouse, has forced himself to reject. Logically,

1405
02:11:03.079 --> 02:11:05.239
of course, I can' t
without realizing it. I have to

1406
02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:09.399
change the chip in a way when
I get home. I can' t

1407
02:11:09.479 --> 02:11:15.000
start treating my spouse like I'
m the boss and my co- coup

1408
02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:16.199
is the subordinate, the employee.
I' m putting up a case,

1409
02:11:16.760 --> 02:11:20.439
maybe a little overstated, a little
extreme, but that doesn' t get

1410
02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:24.119
it. It may not fully play
the wrong role, that sometimes happens,

1411
02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:28.800
but if some of the characteristics of
that role are inadequate, for example,

1412
02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:35.279
raise your voice to any contradiction or
expect immediate and unconditional obedience, without prior

1413
02:11:35.359 --> 02:11:41.039
argumentation, without dialogue, etcetera,
etcetera. Okay That' s the result

1414
02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:46.680
of playing some hierarchical role that'
s out of place. On the other

1415
02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:50.680
hand, because of the pressure exerted
by our society, which is very competitive

1416
02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:56.920
and focused on material and professional achievements, many roles compete with each other,

1417
02:11:56.119 --> 02:12:01.800
claiming within the same person, demanding
the exclusive attention of the person and his

1418
02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:05.880
or her time, and what they
do is impose a kind of tyranny on

1419
02:12:07.079 --> 02:12:11.760
the person' s agenda. The
problem is that there are many roles whose

1420
02:12:11.800 --> 02:12:18.680
exercise leaves out our family and partner
relationships and with them our deepest emotional needs.

1421
02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:22.399
For example, one of the classics
is to be so involved in the

1422
02:12:22.439 --> 02:12:28.199
exercise of the professional role, for
example, that it ends up invading the

1423
02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:31.239
family spaces. That' s a
classic, but a reality. We will

1424
02:12:31.319 --> 02:12:35.920
all meet people, even some of
us will have seen each other at some

1425
02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:41.840
point in the situation that our work
or professional role is over. We have

1426
02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:46.079
turned without realizing it in such a
way that it has ended, going to

1427
02:12:46.279 --> 02:12:50.279
the detriment of our time of relationship
and our time of quality, of family

1428
02:12:50.359 --> 02:12:56.039
relationship and of couple. When we
are communicating Daniel, the way we are

1429
02:12:56.079 --> 02:13:01.079
also addressing each other conveys the way
we see each other and many times there

1430
02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:05.560
is a profound discrepancy in that way
of seeing each other, that is,

1431
02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:11.960
you disagree in the way I see
you and that is not resolved. Communication

1432
02:13:13.039 --> 02:13:18.000
will be almost impossible. That'
s how this analysis is. Yes,

1433
02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:24.479
indeed, July. Disagreement in the
sharing of papers during the communicative exchange is

1434
02:13:24.479 --> 02:13:31.760
a vital aspect that can greatly hinder
communication. And I don' t necessarily

1435
02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:35.600
mean that we' re saying something
unpleasant. We' re saying something nasty

1436
02:13:35.600 --> 02:13:41.520
to each other. We often confuse
an interaction in the couple that must be

1437
02:13:41.640 --> 02:13:46.079
symmetrical, as we said before,
that is, between two equals, with

1438
02:13:46.199 --> 02:13:50.600
a complementary and unequal interaction in which
one of the two concerns a position superior

1439
02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:54.880
to the other, as if it
were an interaction between father, son or

1440
02:13:54.039 --> 02:13:58.880
adult and child. Between me I' m fine and you' re wrong.

1441
02:14:00.000 --> 02:14:03.119
I' m perfectly fine and your
bad. I' m the boss

1442
02:14:03.159 --> 02:14:05.880
and I' m the junior,
etcetera, etcetera. Of course, if

1443
02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:09.920
you agree on the role I assign
to you and on which I assign myself

1444
02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:15.119
in our communication, there will be
no problem. You' ll make it

1445
02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:16.720
tight for both of us. We' ll act in line with our roles.

1446
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:20.720
But if we disagree or if I
disagree or disagree you, in my

1447
02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:28.600
definition of you or me or both, communication will not be constructive. You

1448
02:14:28.680 --> 02:14:35.800
will feel uncomfortable if I insist on
the initial distribution of errors and do not

1449
02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:39.600
really put stubborn in that aspect,
then what will happen, that a situation

1450
02:14:41.319 --> 02:14:46.520
of controversy will begin whose end depends
on what depends, because on our usual

1451
02:14:46.600 --> 02:14:48.039
way of reacting to a situation of
contrariety. We already know, if we

1452
02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:52.800
have commented on some previous program,
that there are people that we call cat,

1453
02:14:52.159 --> 02:14:56.760
there are people that we call armadillo
or hare people, that is,

1454
02:14:56.000 --> 02:15:03.039
people that what they do is confront
and generate a situation of confrontation siderass cat

1455
02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:07.159
armadillos, those that close in band
and suspend all communication and the hare,

1456
02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:13.720
which is the one that flees,
simply slips away from the situation. But

1457
02:15:13.880 --> 02:15:16.720
that' s the way to end
the interaction. But it always happens because

1458
02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:20.760
there is a discrepancy in the way
we ration in the roles we give ourselves.

1459
02:15:22.239 --> 02:15:24.560
You give me a role, but
I don' t agree with that

1460
02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:28.279
mistake you give me ok. That
will depend on how the situation ends.

1461
02:15:28.760 --> 02:15:33.880
It will depend on the usual pattern
with which we each have to face up

1462
02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:39.079
to the contrariety. However, if
we do not manage to dialogue and rethink

1463
02:15:39.199 --> 02:15:45.520
these discordant visions in our communication,
in that communication of each one, the

1464
02:15:45.600 --> 02:15:50.920
communication, in the end will be
interrupted and leave a conflict without closing caramba.

1465
02:15:52.159 --> 02:15:56.079
Another obstacle also Daniel, are the
agendas that are often determined from places

1466
02:15:56.119 --> 02:16:01.000
outside the couple or to family life, and then follow priorities alien to our

1467
02:16:01.680 --> 02:16:09.039
Conyugal relationship. True, that'
s Julia, a problem that' s

1468
02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:11.199
getting more and more widespread. Unfortunately, and at least that' s what

1469
02:16:11.239 --> 02:16:15.479
I see. That is my experience
and that affects quality communication in the field

1470
02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:20.279
of the couple. It is that
the family agenda is often determined from outside

1471
02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:26.920
the family nucleus, depending on whether, depending on priorities and interests other than

1472
02:16:26.960 --> 02:16:31.119
the family or the couple, for
example, interests of type as we have

1473
02:16:31.159 --> 02:16:33.360
said, work of one or both
of the members, or sometimes the interests

1474
02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:37.360
and relational needs of the couple are
sacrificed for priorities and interests not only of

1475
02:16:37.479 --> 02:16:43.120
type of work, but of social
groups that provide entertainment or that provide some

1476
02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:48.000
kind of social approval That is also
very significant with which either or perhaps both

1477
02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:58.000
of the spouses feel satisfied and gratified. So, many times the agenda of

1478
02:16:58.159 --> 02:17:03.159
that institution of this group, of
this relationship group, that gives me so

1479
02:17:03.280 --> 02:17:09.920
much approval or I feel so gratified
and tested ends up sending or ruling over

1480
02:17:11.079 --> 02:17:16.399
the national agenda in our family partner
environment. However, this kind of gratification

1481
02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:22.280
that we always get is short-
term, it never lasts forever and it

1482
02:17:22.360 --> 02:17:28.680
is necessary to face that need of
promotion that we have so powerful, that

1483
02:17:28.200 --> 02:17:31.600
it is so powerful as to overcome
the needs of the family relationship. That

1484
02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:35.920
is what would help us to ask
ourselves the question why the agenda or my

1485
02:17:35.040 --> 02:17:41.200
agenda, is determined by the contact
and activities, etc of this group and

1486
02:17:41.319 --> 02:17:48.079
because it goes above the needs of
family and partner cities. What am I

1487
02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:52.200
looking for, why do I need
approval in such a substantial way? What

1488
02:17:52.280 --> 02:17:56.399
' s going on inside me,
I don' t need this way.

1489
02:17:56.159 --> 02:18:03.799
Yes, it is clear how many
things, things, but the limited knowledge

1490
02:18:03.879 --> 02:18:09.159
of or, the deficient interpretation of
what makes us different is also an obstacle

1491
02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:16.200
in our true communication, as this
is many times in the encounters and talks

1492
02:18:16.360 --> 02:18:22.120
that we talk about the differences in
the relationships of couples, many times that

1493
02:18:22.440 --> 02:18:26.000
was emphasized and I would like to
emphasize that the obstacle is not the differences

1494
02:18:26.120 --> 02:18:28.079
Julio, but the way in which
we interpret them. This is the key,

1495
02:18:28.520 --> 02:18:33.120
the problem, not that we are
different, but in how I interpret

1496
02:18:33.239 --> 02:18:37.399
differences. If there is a scenario
in which differences are evident, it is

1497
02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:46.520
in couple relationships. In this context
its influence is widely exercised all the traits

1498
02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:50.719
and characteristics that make us different.
And although, of course, there is

1499
02:18:50.799 --> 02:18:56.760
no time to expand on the detailed
analysis of those differences, I would at

1500
02:18:56.799 --> 02:19:01.200
least like to mention the three major
areas differences in the environment, in the

1501
02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:05.239
couple. The first is gender differences. Although today it is very fashionable not

1502
02:19:05.360 --> 02:19:13.040
to emphasize gender differences and all philosophy, etcetera, etcetera. We cannot stop

1503
02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:18.360
at dealing with whether the origin of
these differences is rather genetic, cultural or

1504
02:19:18.639 --> 02:19:22.959
the result of both interacting. But
what is clear is that communication exchanges in

1505
02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:28.639
the couple clearly show different trends and
interpret the same reality and are linked to

1506
02:19:28.799 --> 02:19:37.799
gender. It has been shown in
various experiments that men and women use their

1507
02:19:37.959 --> 02:19:43.360
brains' resources differently to process the
same reality. This is unquestionable. It

1508
02:19:43.479 --> 02:19:48.040
is a demonstrable reality and the fact
has already been demonstrated The second source of

1509
02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:54.079
differences. What individual differences in our
personality, The traits of our personality,

1510
02:19:54.559 --> 02:19:58.760
place each of us in a different
place from which we interpret the communicative sites.

1511
02:20:01.680 --> 02:20:05.360
So, for example, what for
an extrovert, for example, is

1512
02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:11.399
a clear message, for an introvert
is a threat. It is like seeing

1513
02:20:11.479 --> 02:20:15.479
it the monument is so well known
from acosomegra the family from different angles.

1514
02:20:16.360 --> 02:20:22.000
We need to learn not to disqualify
the façade that each one has described from

1515
02:20:22.520 --> 02:20:26.520
his angle and communicating his own.
And so we build a kind of model

1516
02:20:26.639 --> 02:20:33.120
in three dimensions of what concerns us
to bequeath to a constructive agreement with the

1517
02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:39.000
vision. Only in one dimension can
we not lose ourselves in a battle for

1518
02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:43.079
dominance from one' s own angle, which will only have negative consequences.

1519
02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:46.959
That' s what we say so
many times that you can' t watch

1520
02:20:48.079 --> 02:20:52.079
a single- camera movie. It' s impossible. You end up really

1521
02:20:52.200 --> 02:20:54.879
dizzy and you miss a big substantial
part of reality. Each, in his

1522
02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:58.719
personality, has his own camera with
which he registers and processes reality at the

1523
02:20:58.760 --> 02:21:05.079
same time. What needs to be
taken into account is that there are both

1524
02:21:05.159 --> 02:21:11.879
cameras and that this difference is what
enriches us forgiveness and finally, the differences

1525
02:21:11.959 --> 02:21:20.559
in our baggage of experiences and our
learning of experiences, which this learning has

1526
02:21:20.719 --> 02:21:24.079
generated in each of the members of
the couple, scripts or patterns of behavior

1527
02:21:24.159 --> 02:21:30.200
and ways of dealing with the life
learned from childhood with the models of relationship

1528
02:21:30.280 --> 02:21:35.120
of our earlier family environment. So
what is said is that we never marry

1529
02:21:35.159 --> 02:21:39.159
only our spouse in whom we are, with our spouse and with their parents,

1530
02:21:39.559 --> 02:21:45.360
to say the least, or with
their closest parenting environment, so what

1531
02:21:45.440 --> 02:21:52.680
for one can be a lawful communicative
resource. For example, there are families

1532
02:21:52.760 --> 02:21:58.280
that do not have any hostility and
aggression, because when they speak, they

1533
02:21:58.239 --> 02:22:03.200
will be in a higher circle and
like a little more passionate and, on

1534
02:22:03.280 --> 02:22:05.040
the other hand, others that do
not. And what for one is a

1535
02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:09.600
completely natural olive tone, for another
can be a tone, well, unpleasant,

1536
02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:16.440
difficult, complicated, offensive, etcetera. That is to say, for

1537
02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:24.159
one thing a lawful communicative resource can
be absolutely inadmissible for another. And why,

1538
02:22:24.399 --> 02:22:28.120
then, because perhaps it resembles some
negative experience that either one of you

1539
02:22:28.159 --> 02:22:33.719
has experienced in his childhood in essence
odole, you can activate a pattern of

1540
02:22:33.280 --> 02:22:37.799
behavior that puts him on the defensive
ho even puts him a little aggressive.

1541
02:22:39.239 --> 02:22:43.760
Then it is a very, very
extensive topic, that of the differences in

1542
02:22:43.799 --> 02:22:50.479
our baggage of experiences and that is
usually little or little talked about. But

1543
02:22:50.520 --> 02:22:52.840
on the other hand, I believe
in July, unless in my experience,

1544
02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:58.040
that it is one of the areas
that cause the most couple parrasin conflicts.

1545
02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:03.079
So many things to learn. One
of the problems that also affects communication between

1546
02:23:03.159 --> 02:23:11.799
couples, Daniel is the inadequate way
to communicate our needs. Many times we

1547
02:23:11.879 --> 02:23:18.079
face the communication of what we need
from a wrong angle. I believe it

1548
02:23:18.079 --> 02:23:22.239
' s true, the effect.
The more intimate the bond that unites two

1549
02:23:22.360 --> 02:23:26.799
people and the longer it lasts in
time, the more essential it becomes,

1550
02:23:28.959 --> 02:23:31.760
the more impresisting it is made the
communication of our needs between us, that

1551
02:23:33.879 --> 02:23:37.360
is, if I am a person
with whom I live only once a week

1552
02:23:37.399 --> 02:23:43.280
and I see it more appetizing,
there will hardly be need to communicate our

1553
02:23:43.959 --> 02:23:48.280
needs to us at an intimate and
deep level, but the relationship of couple,

1554
02:23:48.600 --> 02:23:52.520
of course, is not so.
The problem is that we often pass

1555
02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:58.600
on to our partner what we need
in demand or recrimination mode. I mean,

1556
02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:03.760
we give our partner instructions on what
he should have done or what he

1557
02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:11.000
should have done. And we must
not forget that recrimination has no power to

1558
02:24:11.200 --> 02:24:15.479
motivate positive changes from the other.
Unless I don' t know anyone who

1559
02:24:15.760 --> 02:24:20.440
recrimination has motivated him to change.
On the contrary, it has motivated him

1560
02:24:20.559 --> 02:24:24.120
to become more involved in his vision. Rather, what often causes the person

1561
02:24:24.319 --> 02:24:31.559
to raise his or her defenses because
he or she feels questioned or questioned or

1562
02:24:31.639 --> 02:24:35.520
exposed. So, if what I
want is for my partner to become aware

1563
02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:41.040
of something that I need and I
know that this thing that I need is

1564
02:24:41.280 --> 02:24:45.200
reasonable and it' s about adding
or caring for it. This means I

1565
02:24:45.360 --> 02:24:48.040
need to get out of it or
the best. Or I aspire to get

1566
02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:52.399
the best out of my partner.
And that will never happen if you feel

1567
02:24:54.239 --> 02:24:58.680
recriminated at the moment of conveying a
need to my partner since you remember not

1568
02:24:58.799 --> 02:25:03.239
to leave the ascia clothes in the
back of the room or on the bed,

1569
02:25:03.879 --> 02:25:07.159
to make more consensual decisions about our
family agenda or about the education of

1570
02:25:07.600 --> 02:25:11.479
children or visits. The best thing
I can do is to communicate to him

1571
02:25:11.559 --> 02:25:18.719
in a request tone and talking to
him about me I need this and this

1572
02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:24.520
and this and this instead of telling
him you shouldn' t or do you

1573
02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:28.200
have to give instructions? You,
what you have to do is that'

1574
02:25:28.239 --> 02:25:33.040
s give instructions? But this is
not communicating needs. But many times we

1575
02:25:33.159 --> 02:25:37.559
also omit the most important information and
the most powerful, I think, to

1576
02:25:37.639 --> 02:25:41.559
produce positive changes, which is that
once I have passed on to my partner

1577
02:25:41.639 --> 02:25:46.440
what I need from her. For
example, I need you to pick up

1578
02:25:46.559 --> 02:25:50.479
the dirty clothes in the text where
we can convey how we feel when you

1579
02:25:50.520 --> 02:25:56.520
throw them on the bed, that
information about how I feel when you do

1580
02:25:56.680 --> 02:26:01.239
such a thing. It is vital
to make her happy, but to give

1581
02:26:01.239 --> 02:26:05.719
her that yes, it is important, significant. And what would be the

1582
02:26:05.799 --> 02:26:11.959
wrong way to do it, Daniel, because the wrong way would always be

1583
02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:15.120
to throw dirty clothes in my bed
I don' t know how to tell

1584
02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:16.840
you to put them in the basket? It means that we are already a

1585
02:26:16.879 --> 02:26:22.159
little on the edge, we have
already loaded the piles of discomfort and then

1586
02:26:22.520 --> 02:26:30.000
a whole snout of data comes out
there without any time. So, I

1587
02:26:30.040 --> 02:26:35.040
mean, you always throw your clothes
at me, suck the bed, and

1588
02:26:35.079 --> 02:26:35.040
I don' t know how to
tell you to put it in the basket?

1589
02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:37.399
It' s not the best way. Why, then, because this

1590
02:26:37.479 --> 02:26:43.159
will automatically awaken the defensive sense in
our spouse, because he will feel threatened

1591
02:26:43.239 --> 02:26:48.159
or threatened, or questioned or questioned. However, the correct request mode,

1592
02:26:48.239 --> 02:26:52.799
I think, in my view,
would be I need you to put the

1593
02:26:52.920 --> 02:26:56.680
dirty clothes in the bucket, because
every time you leave it lying on the

1594
02:26:56.719 --> 02:27:01.079
bed, I feel that you despise
the work I do and I think that

1595
02:27:01.120 --> 02:27:03.120
my effort, having to pick it
up, is worth nothing. I know

1596
02:27:03.479 --> 02:27:07.680
it' s more words, I
know you need to talk, but if

1597
02:27:07.799 --> 02:27:11.120
that guarantees you that the person,
instead of turning his back on us,

1598
02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:16.559
is going to stand up. It' s not better to use it much

1599
02:27:16.559 --> 02:27:22.920
better, I mean, we talk
about me I need because I feel that

1600
02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:26.639
way instead of you you should and
because of you and I are absolutely different.

1601
02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:31.879
It is a completely opposite method to
communicate to my partner how I feel

1602
02:27:31.000 --> 02:27:35.760
is to give you valuable information,
which will help you and motivate you to

1603
02:27:35.840 --> 02:27:41.399
remember my request, since if our
relationship is a healthy relationship, neither one

1604
02:27:41.479 --> 02:27:45.559
of you is going to dedicate to
consciously doing something that you know will be

1605
02:27:45.680 --> 02:27:50.159
wrong to each other. Hence it
is so vital to communicate how I feel

1606
02:27:50.360 --> 02:27:54.600
when you do this other thing,
because in many cases the spouses, our

1607
02:27:54.719 --> 02:27:58.920
spouses, what they do is to
ignore those states of mind that dislodge within

1608
02:28:00.440 --> 02:28:07.120
us before certain behaviors of them.
If they do not know them, because

1609
02:28:07.120 --> 02:28:11.879
they will hardly be able to change
them, they will hardly know where the

1610
02:28:11.959 --> 02:28:13.399
point of bravery is and with which
they have to move. On the other

1611
02:28:13.399 --> 02:28:18.520
hand, communicating needs and emotions is
a very, very effective July way to

1612
02:28:18.600 --> 02:28:24.120
consolidate and deepen our communication as a
couple. Okay, okay. Finally,

1613
02:28:24.520 --> 02:28:28.000
already, Daniel, there are some
practical ideas that contribute or can contribute to

1614
02:28:28.079 --> 02:28:35.719
favoring or enriching our communication that is
so necessary. I think that always and

1615
02:28:35.799 --> 02:28:39.479
in some cases much more so.
So, yes, Julio, there are

1616
02:28:41.079 --> 02:28:46.559
a lot of interesting and very positive
ideas, but first of all, what

1617
02:28:46.639 --> 02:28:50.959
we know first is that effective communication
is based mainly on knowing how to listen

1618
02:28:50.959 --> 02:28:56.000
to the other, an exchange that
then is said so many times that we

1619
02:28:56.040 --> 02:29:00.520
have two ears and one mouth,
because we have to listen more than talk,

1620
02:29:00.840 --> 02:29:03.040
because it is exactly that principle.
A communicative exchange is based above all

1621
02:29:03.600 --> 02:29:09.520
much more on listening to oneself than
on speaking. The ability if we develop

1622
02:29:09.600 --> 02:29:13.920
the ability to know, listen and
not just listen directly. You' ve

1623
02:29:13.079 --> 02:29:18.760
been listening between the lines what our
partner is telling us. If you are

1624
02:29:18.799 --> 02:29:24.479
trying to communicate with us, we
are ensuring that there is an effective and

1625
02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:26.719
healthy level of communication. And one
of the things that for a short time,

1626
02:29:28.000 --> 02:29:31.000
for example, our listeners is that
they investigate the rules for active listening,

1627
02:29:33.040 --> 02:29:35.760
only that they don' t also
set you rules for active listening.

1628
02:29:37.399 --> 02:29:43.159
There is a lot of information about
that available and they are risks in very

1629
02:29:43.360 --> 02:29:48.000
simple principles, but if we respect
them, we realize that they are very

1630
02:29:48.440 --> 02:29:52.079
effective and work at least. Another
idea is that, like living once a

1631
02:29:52.120 --> 02:29:56.360
year, let' s do a
compilation of questions like what I' ve

1632
02:29:56.440 --> 02:30:01.200
helped you in or felt supported or
supported by me, how you' ve

1633
02:30:01.479 --> 02:30:05.200
felt alone that' s the guide
for the next year or semester. For

1634
02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:13.959
example, let' s use that
as a relationship behavior guide. Another important

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thing is never began a discussion without
two clear things, First, willing to

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finish it and, second, for
the purpose of bequeathing to a beneficial conclusion

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or to an agreement or to a
covenant. If it' s not better,

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don' t start it. Yeah, sure, I know that'

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s pretty strong, but I assure
you it works. Julio is a reality.

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You never start a discussion if you' re not willing to finish it,

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close it properly and for the purpose
of bequeathing to a beneficial conclusion or

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mutual agreement. The important, important
And finally, write down why you warn.

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One of the things I advise you
to do is to remember inside so

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much, why we admire in this
couple and write it and exchange it that

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we have and we see each other
and we dare to be better at recognizing

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the achievements of zeal to the other. Many times, when we talk about

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improving the communication of partner reactions,
emphasis is always placed on what is done

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in different ways. We have to
change, but there are many things we

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do well. What it would be
about is being able to communicate that to

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our partner, you are doing fantastically
well and I thank you for doing so

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and, please, keep doing so. Don' t leave him. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. When we say
that, when we express mutual admiration,

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we are feeding very very, very
effective and high quality communication. Dear

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friend Daniel, Thank you so much
again, what an important and interesting subject.

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02:31:48.239 --> 02:31:52.799
And so thank you very much.
And for a pleasure and a privilege

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to get on the train always,
thank you, friend, a hug until

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always, a hug until then the
train of life, an exciting journey along

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the routes of the heart, an
unforgettable journey at the rhythm of the train.

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Evangelical churches are a place of peace
and friendship. You can freely attend

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the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood
or your population. You will be,

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very welcome,