Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic free come
on, I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
which will certainly take you to safe harbour. This is the train of
life. Or very good morning, Spain, good day, friends and friends,
from the place Rincón del Solar, country of Barcelona, for all the
towns and cities of Spain, this wonderful country, our, this mosaic of
cultures that is Spain. Let' s go there, let' s walk
together, traveling at train rate. Let' s go with me, ladies,
gentlemen and gentlemen, ladies, of course, welcome to this traveling train.
I keep remembering it because it' s no small thing. Thirty-
two long years are not five, not ten or twenty that would already be
a record. Let' s see me. I want to self apply something,
but I think that some kind of prize has to be recognized that we
have been traveling with many friends and I tell you in these thirty- two
years, since a thousand nine hundred and ninety- two in the spring,
just as now really, in April of a thousand nine hundred and ninety-
two, in the spring, in the previous of the Olympic Games of Spain
and the Universal Year of the Expo of Seville. There was the train of
life. Already and during the Olympic Games we interviewed some plus marquis who were
evangelicals, that we had it by sport via telephone, some even face-
to- face in study to athletics of various athletic disciplines that good, that
they gave testimony of their faith and such and of the Games that in itself
was, because it is the great quotation of most remarkable of the world sport.
The Olympic Games that this year will be in Paris are almost at the
door. No, but the truth is, he' s here by the
side of the house. We won' t see if we can make some
capes. I don' t know anyway, this is another harinea from another
postcard. But the question is that we have spoken with I do not exaggerate
with many have been and are recurring, because we have reached out to many
friends, journalists, writers, artists, theologians, pastors, ordinary people who
have things to tell us. We have been told testimonies of lives transformed in
an amazing way countless of them, but we have also had doctors, doctors
specialists in all disciplines and good psychologists, psychiatrists, etcetera. An endless number
of characters from all disciplines and, of course, Christian pastors, evangelicals and
pastors, since many clearly yes, counselors, relatives, masters in family terapaya,
well an endless, all kinds of specialties and we have approached. I
believe that almost all the issues that have been and have been and now,
we continue, we continue thirty- two years later. Yes, it is
true that when I have not been able or can not because I am travelling
or I am on the Moon or Jupiter, or on Mars or somewhere else,
because obviously, we have made a pre- recorded. We have not
put on a pre- recording by selecting some of the best programs, as
we do occasionally, but we have never, ever, ever missed the appointment.
Three hours of Magaxin every week. Well, that' s what you
celebrate with me and say. Well then, may Christ live and may God
bless. This you know. Spanish television, the good news program of Spanish
television. He gave us a monographic program that will be released at the end
of June also this June. He gave us a monographic program of people who
have known the Lord some socially outstanding people. There are all normal and ordinary
people, which is the world. It' s full of ordinary people.
But we selected a man, socially very prominent, who met the gentleman through
this program, SERGEI Barnills, who has a program here on our station.
Also fortnightly of art and very beautiful Bible and unwritten art is and he bears
witness and such is a man, for very famous in Europe and his pictorial
work, that one of his last most award- winning works was Mara Nata.
That was an occurrence he had of the lord and he set off and
amazed himself and strangers and has won awards with that one of his last pictorial
works. But he is and appears, because personal the one that we are
here collaborators, a vitco server there with my friend, this Ballozano, the
director of the program of Good News television And well, all the report was
done all morning we were here of recordings and well, by the end of
June we will have it on Spanish television, the twelve Spanish television programmed about
fifteen minutes, almost thirteen to fifteen minutes that it made on televisions a lot.
Then I refer to the whole report of the train of life and wave
for radio, as a radio that we also believe has also set some guidelines.
He has contributed ideas and guidelines in a way to make radio also very
particular, and there I can mention Fernando Díaz, a great journalist communicator,
besides Juan Carlos Parra, my journalist friend also and a great communicator, Daniel
Díaz, also a great professional, also solidarity radio, and we can also
continue talking about many, of course, to my friend Lucho Panduro, director
of Radio Dinami Radio. I mean pro journalists as well and with their daily
program the pulse of life. I mean, it' s good. We
now have people ready and in the last twenty- five years this has changed
for the good, but now the new generation has to join and some already
take over. It' s not that we' re going to leave at
all, but it does have to move on to the forefront. That'
s what it' s about. That' s what we planted for.
I think perse we' ve done what' s best. We' ve
known and we' ve been able to. And you know how many I
say to you in these ceded tens of lives, not to tell you hundreds,
tens and tens and tens, which suppose some hundreds of people who have
found Christ through this medium, prodigal sons who were in the Lord and disappeared,
but in the intimacy of the radio they resurfaced and rekindled the flame of
faith and returned to the churches. Because our people go to churches. Some
explicitly say what has happened to them and others do not get there, because
then we find them apart from those who describe us, who are not few
after a year and call us on the phone, but we know of countless
testimonies, prodigal children too and then the good that the radio does, the
means also to make a bet a day, not to be out of date
of the socio- cultural and socio- political reality and of all the things
that have to do with human life, especially the spirituality of that blind angle
that many do not see, because we want to bring light to all this,
and for that we have this week Daniel Ozcan, the director of Protestants
and a professional journalist of magnificent race, and this morning we will talk about
the current, which is very heated to debate and also later, in the
next season we will have Marios Cobar, one of our successful writers. I
believe it is the one who most at this time succeeds in many parts of
the world, including in Spain, in the secular sphere. He' s
a historian, he' s a writer, novel, narrative, history.
It' s good. I really like the way Mario writes. I believe
that many of us and we are going to do today about the elections and
the history of Europe in synthesis, very synthesis, a short history of Europe,
where it is going to be Europe, to see, if you tell
us, give us some brushstrokes of what he realizes and perceives, of the
history of the corners or the discussion of the history of Europe at this time
with the historian and successful writer Mario Escobar, and also finally, to our
good friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Gas Or the obstacles in our relationship as a
couple. Well let' s get back to embroidering the subject. Eh obstacles
that arise and sometimes we don' t know how to solve it. And
if we don' t do it right, it can spoil the worst case
scenario. So, let' s do it not good music, good company
and good friends here on this traveling train. I also remind you that,
please, let' s go here. Alex is going to put in some
wire of my book or, please, read my book that he has written.
He doesn' t like not being read to. Well, there we
have Mario Escobar, which is a luxury to have Mario Escobar, but traveling
on the train of life, this is the title that Alex has when I
repeat this to them, then he will flash me out so that you can
see him traveling on the train of life. It' s the book I
wrote. There are fifty reflections on different questions of life. There are blocks
that are first station, second station, third, fourth and term station that
there is another final block of themes and the end of the finals is for
this hour we were born so it is people who are not very used to
reading and being short stories, as it can start and finish and what is
achieved from this book that is worth 180 pages, it is worth fifteen euros.
You can find it on Amazon, on Amazon' s platform, directly.
He' s already buying a lot of people there. Thank God,
because they are contributing with wave for radio and with the train of life,
because we look now we have to make a new investment, We have to
put machinery and pes the radio makes you change it and do works and things
And everything is money and maintenance, which is about five zero euros per month
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dead life or c o m Ladies and gentlemen, we already have in line
already through the middle of zum how many things has solved the zoom or the
Skye or other similar networks. Not that there are a few that have saved
us travel, it has saved us inevitable physical presence, in many cases that
seemed indelible and inevitable. And now it' s not like that. We
go ahead and from the other side, look we can bring Daniel of Camp,
from Jupiter, who comes to Barcelona, and well, he can be
heard not only in Spain through the network of friendly stations that broadcast the train
of life weekly and that reach more than one hundred more Spanish cities, but
they can also listen to it. I' m telling you, Mars Martians
listen to it and sometimes get a little fluttered with the train of life.
Yeah, but, well, let' s laugh a little bit about ourselves
and life. Of course I do. Well, welcome, dear Daniel,
how about June, how are you doing? Well, buddy, I don
' t know if the Martians will listen to us, sir, they'
ll interpret our sounds. Well, if you listen to us, let'
s hope we give you valuable content and not just a little bit of noise.
Let' s see, yes, Mr Man, what a day you
' re doing there for the galleys. Well, very good. Already entering
springtime, almost summertime, and the truth is that already this week is getting
quite warm. And good here where I live, which is on the coast,
in the Lower Rias, because there is a very pleasant temperature, because
also for the many refreshments a little bit. Then he gets along very well,
he gets along very well this time. That' s nice, that
' s nice. I' m looking forward to a long, long time
ago that I haven' t been to Galicia and have a good one.
Now we were about to go that my nephew is the director of an agency
in Santander and we were about to go now, but they have changed him
and he has come here then, there in the Coruña. But I say
I look forward to visiting you, in frames and taking a walk also in
those beautiful places of our beloved Galicia. Well, I was thinking that as
soon as we have Europeans in sight, but nobody here talks about Europe.
Here they are talking about everything they' ve had and for having the gresta
that' s in here. Or to a journalist today he said, nowhere
in Europe is there as much internal political tension as in Spain, and where
there is less talk about Europe. There' s nothing to talk about.
Somewhere else. You do talk about Europe. And this seems logical to you
in the face of European elections. Well, no. No. The truth
is that I think we are all a little surprised because European elections are usually
considered to be low- profile elections in the sense that political parties are not
playing so much theoretically, that is, political parties have always been a bit
of a motor of what are the speeches that then go to the media and
really have an importance in that sense in Spain, which perhaps in other countries
do not have it either. And normally, when there are electoral periods,
it is true that they tend to be quite hot on each other, but
usually European elections have been elections that, of course, being European, I
do not know national in a sense, because they have saved a little bit
of this tension. But this year is almost the opposite, that is,
especially now that we are entering this key week, there really is almost no
European issue on the table. At the media level. I mean, if
in the programs, then you' re going to be able to find content
or if you' re good, then dive a little bit in the newspapers.
But what is at the level of the front pages and what the news
are telling us is all domestic politics and precisely in a situation of great tension
because of the different circumstances to which we are in, therefore, the government,
the autonomous governments, the tension that exists regarding the opposition, also at
the international level. The things that have been discussed and which have entered into
the campaign are not exclusively European. That is to say, there has been
almost more talk about Argentina or Israel and Palestine than about Europe, even than
about Ukraine, which I could say is a conflict that is also much closer
and in which we have much more at stake. Then draw a little attention.
But good. On the other hand, it responds to the climate that
has been generated in recent months in Spain, of a great deal of internal
political tension, as a result of what we have all mentioned on other occasions,
on the one hand, the weak political situation of the Government, on
the other hand, the anomalous situation that is taking place at the regional level
also in many places where pacts have been given that have not been given to
us or where we do not know very well what pact will be given and
where it seems that there are many negotiations for the power that the actors have.
Let us say very busy politicians on these issues, and perhaps with little
time, so that we can deal with the issues that have to do with
Europe. Yeah, that' s right. This is the reality, as
you are describing it, because I have heard more things that have to concern
us in community politics, some of them at least more by digital Protestant than
by even journalistic media, not only the politicians who do not speak in the
representative of the People' s Party or the other representatives of the Social Party
and well, the representative of the Socialist Party is also woman, and others
and others, well and also the representative we can and we have enough known.
But and everyone else is on the back of the fight, the political
fight, the mud machine, but they don' t realize what or I
don' t know if they think we' re fools. It' s
a fool to the citizens in general and some more than others, of course,
and the mud machine and come and you more and come and the other
is so slum. That, on the one hand, and it turns out
that now in the document this one that we speak at a time before other
considerations European elections that has published the European Evangelical Alliance, ideologies yes, political
idolatries, not very interesting and other articles, the awakening of Europe, day
the ascensions and day of Europe, stories to remember and other previous ones.
I hear more about what can be decided in Europe, that is, neither
the vanguard, nor the newspaper of Catalonia, which is in different regions,
nor the country, nor twenty minutes nor reason have spoken about issues of interest
to Europe, nor because they have also fallen into the trap of the gresta.
Not to go to the yes and there I think we did, that
we had to do a reflection at a mechanical level on the grounds. In
other words, we cannot be constantly following what politicians and political parties are marking.
Yeah, they' re an important actor, but they can' t
run the agenda. And I believe that in this respect, the political agenda
has gone far beyond what could be the general interest of the citizens. And
as far as European selections are concerned, especially because we said it a couple
of months ago and when we came to select that there really is a lot
at stake, that is to say, yes, that are the important matches,
considering that then also all European directives have to be adopted at European level.
It ends up having a very important impact on our legislation, on the
way in which our country is ordered, on the way in which we are
also interacting with the rest of the world. And I don' t really
know I' m very surprised at that lack of depth in the regestion that
we' re finding. There would be so many issues to talk about at
European level that they would be important to see, for example, almost nothing
has been said about an issue that, in addition, is a subject of
my drugs to all, at European level, everyone is concerned about what has
to do with the issue of climate challenges. It is something that is usually
in the press, it is true, but it really comes to the elections
and happens to a third, fourth, fifth, sixth plane, that is,
an issue that has not been touched or mentioned practically at the media level.
Another issue, the issue of border security, the issue of military rearmament
practically, because you do not see any candidate talking about it, the development
of the middle class, the problem of housing, things that really affect us
not only at local level, but go beyond bilateral relations between the different countries,
the relationship, for example, with the United Kingdom, of which we
have almost no talk and hear it seems to me that it is still something
important to bear in mind that it is our partner, a neighbouring partner of
the European Union, who is no longer in the European Union, but with
which we must continue to have a lot of agreements and relations. The issues
that also have to do with Africa, of course, not only with immigration,
which is an issue, but also with everything that has to do with
the development of the African continent. There' s so much, there'
s so much that could have been talked about and that it' s not
being talked about that gives me a feeling of a missed opportunity in front of
these elections and the missed opportunities and problems that then, because they can'
t be recovered, it' s saying in the elections they' re yaz
So we inform ourselves and we try to find out now or then, because
when you' re going to vote, because maybe, because I don'
t know, I don' t know what' s going to mobilize you
to the vote, let' s see what happens. It is not clear
that the national political situation is so tense that it is making everyone in that
sense, as it is lost and we are sure that we also have responsibility
for that as communicators. I mean, but I see that above all in
the big media here they are failing in that work, which they should have
a little more, to work more for the citizenry and not so much according
to what in the political parties they are marking and then they would have to
do informative pedagogy, European social pedagogy. And because it is the elections for
the European Parliament, regardless of whether the ultras and so- and- so
good and hears and ultras of ultra left if they are so dangerous or more,
and nothing is said about them. And well, apart from the ultra
- right here, some sectors of the European right, have connivances with putting
with Russia, so neither right nor left ultras. In the end there are
those points. But, well, there are considerations and it looks like the
wolf is coming. And this is the message of Sanchez, of our President,
is the only art, apart from the question of his wife, now
that he' s going to bring co- colade and he' s going
to bring sure that this hits him a few pieces, because he' s
going to stick it, in addition to other things that are around this,
this one no longer exists. Well, he' s got the resistance manual,
but I don' t think he' ll be able to do it
any more soon. He' s gonna see himself spending. Well, let
' s see it' s no longer difficult to know what to do,
but Sanchez already knows that in this he has already shown several times, since
reconfiguration. But, well, we don' t know if really, in
the end these allegations prosper, because it' s clear that you' re
going to have a conflict there, very complicated to be able to save.
But of course what we were saying now is responsibility. I mean, I
think that as far as the political parties are concerned, they too are responsible
for trying to capture the vote of fear of the other or of punishment as
well. It is a vote of punishment, that is to say, I
believe that these European elections are being proposed, especially on the Spanish stage,
as a vote of punishment, that is, the rights in our country see
the weakness of Pedro Sánchez for these issues that you have commented now, in
the suspicions of corruption in his government and also in the case of his family
And of course what the right is wanting to do, since we vote punishing
the President and, on the other hand, the defense that is being put
forward by the left parties and also the governing party in this case, is
what you said now that the right comes, the fear, the punishment in
that sense to those who are, according to his speech, because allied with
the global ultra right and the great threat of the ultra of Changdoval. So,
of course, these are the two speeches that really do not let us
see the importance of the issues that are at European level at heart and that
have to do with how the policies of our nearest environment will be directed a
little bit over the next five years. And there' s a reality,
and it' s that right. Obviously, the European People' s Party
is going to win the elections with some distance from the Spanish People' s
Party, also unlike no, that it was not able to advance the Socialist
Party in the last few words, in the last electoral contests. Now I
do, clearly except for the tezano liar who' s always lying, but
they' re all deos now. Obviously, I point it out with rigor
that it will be so. So whatever it is that voters opt for that
political option, then there is that. And, obviously, the right,
the European ultra right, in Italy, in Germany, in France, in
Spain, also rises a little more in the main countries of the European Union
goes up a lot and goes ahead even of the more traditional parties and in
others I no longer speak of Hungary, Poland, and such that they are
already classically, it means yes that there is going to be a House with
right and ultra right. What happens is that the European right has always had
a lot of alliance and much has been agreed European politics, much with the
Socialist Party, have made many more agreements. And now this whole sanitary cordon
thing and that and that, but I think it' s an exaggeration,
too. Honestly, yes, also clear not all ultra- rights or all
matches that are labeled ultra- right, are the same. This is what
you' re not really trying to convey either, and sometimes it happens a
little outside of people' s surroundings, because they' re not all raising
the same thing. Even good in the party there are internal struggles within what
could be that kind of group of right- wing or ultra- right-
wing lecturing to see a little who carries the singing voice and considering that there
are policies that these parties plan that are very protectionist. For example, of
course it is a bit striking of some things that we have seen in recent
months, such as box A support. Lepen because they have some points in
common in the speech, but at the same time I thought what you want
to do is to close the borders so that the Spanish products of the borders,
from our border up that the Pyrenees know us, do not pass.
That is to say, there are some inconsistencies there which, of course,
each party also has a little bit to translate and which has to parance.
But this shows us that the picture is not as monolithic as we sometimes want
to imagine. Or we can imagine even on the left is that it'
s very different. There are some leftists, for example, who are environmentalists
and who go on the environmental and other left side that we could say,
they go, on the other hand, on more identifying sides and sides that
have more to do with other types of social policies and that actually, in
the end you see that there are points in which they collide. Also let
' s not say what it has to do with the issue of foreign policy
is that there are right- wing parties there that tell you one thing and
other parties of this that tell you the opposite. Totally in foreign policy and
above all referred to, for example, conflict in Ukraine. So this is
what it raises. That' s a much more complex picture than you sometimes
want to imagine. And that what I would say should make us a little
bit more prudent when it comes to saying good, because this is ultra-
right and let him go to a corner, or this is a skin to
leave in a corner. You wouldn' t have to stop a little bit
before you put on the labels, which seem to be what makes it easier
for us to think. And not everything is one more, one two,
but there is much more complexity in the current political scenario. Yes, for
example, the President of Italy, of the Italian government Meloni, who,
paradoxically, is a Europeanist, is ultra- right, but now, she
has further moderated her speech and staging and everything unlike the beginnings when she was
not yet in the government. And that' s what happens when you'
re inside things, you see them in a different way. It' s
clear. The realities are what they are and we must work with common sense
and community. Never better said, but, for example, the subject of
the countryside and the agrarian question. Another issue is that they do not address
anything. It is a public shame and we denounce it here that, instead
of putting forward alternative options for the parties, I am going to vote for
the party, whether it is the Socialist Party, the People' s Party
to Boga that I want and I don' t know, I don'
t know, I don' t know anything about them, I don'
t know anything about the Me sent the letter to vote, but it doesn
' t put me on. It makes me a very generic thing. From
Europe, but they do not tell me concrete things that we need to know
and also to make determinations. Yes, yes, what you were saying,
we have seen, above all at campaign level, a speech that has gone
through very, very long on European issues and that ends up focusing on the
polemics that are here in our country and that, moreover, as you said
now, for example, the agricultural issue, is that this is a key
issue at European level from the very beginning of the European Economic Community. At
first it was an alliance, as we know, of the energy issue,
coal to, industrial zero between Germany and France. From there, then,
it began, but then the common agricultural policy. Peace is that you take
a percentage of the European budget that when you get scared, you realize and
that money, that money that is actually negotiated in Europe, is the one
that then has the impact on the agricultural sector in our country. And it
' s fundamental, that is, it' s a fundamental aspect that I
just don' t know that you' re getting a little bit into looking
specifically at programs. And so it' s a subject you' re telling
us about right now. Then we will have in two or three months,
or whatever, because the tractors will have demonstrations here we will have those of
the milk sector, because also demanding for something, or those of the countryside,
or those of the grail or of the sea, that is, there
are a lot of sectors there that really play it at European level. And
it is at the European level where cards are being played, not at the
national level. So it' s really sad that we' re not being
informed about this. It finds the relevance that these policies will then have to
be taken, for example here, at the level of Galicia. Here,
of course, we have the fishing sector, which is very important, and
the fisheries sector here is always with an eye to what is legislated in Brussels,
because it is fundamental, that is, not only at the level of
the fishing grounds that are actually negotiated there, but also sometimes the fishing grounds,
sometimes also what the fishing instruments are, things that have done, for
example, sometimes a whole fleet, because it cannot go fishing where it has
been saying it has been fishing for twenty years and now, suddenly, it
would not let them fish there. They have to change and find other fishing
grounds. This has happened in the last five years here in Galicia. So
this kind of thing is European politics and we are really interested in seeing what
the parties are proposing in these areas so that we can then vote in these
in conscience. And unfortunately, because I believe that most of us, because
of this lack of information, do not know very well what one is proposing,
which is proposing another, what the advantages of one model would be,
what the advantages of the other that are being proposed will be. Not in
time to reflect, let' s say, or reflect or know what to
know. We know that, because you and I are journalists and so many
others and we dig and we are more or less up to date, but
and we realize the information vacuum, the information silence, for example, in
the debates that have taken place, at least I have seen part of them,
because they also tire me, is that they tire me like a donkey.
Then I get tired of them all. There' s practically no one
original who says yes well, who replies, but who does something that doesn
' t captivate our attention and says well, here goes the thing, not
even one of those I' ve seen. Then. The idea is that,
for example, what alliances you will make after the European elections, how
and how you talk about some European issues in a very global way, but
they do not go into the concrete or the necessary policies. For example,
the issue of emigration and integration and the issue of recidivists makes it clear that
this is true, that it must also be controlled. We need it,
we need it good at all costs. Inevitably immigration, if not Europe'
s survival. It' s in this, but because the birth, the
low narality that exists. But there has to be a regulation, a reconsideration
of all this and the countries of North Africa, like Morocco, which are
preferred partners with Europe and Tunisia, good on the subject of agriculture, agricultural
products and other things more of the steps, of the traffic of people,
of those who come from sub- Saharans and everything, nothing, nothing,
that is to say, I don' t know where it is and now
you and I get a bit of a face but they won' t even
listen to us in the car and well, that would be good. Clear
man to see I really would tell people of European faces and selections, because
at the media level, because sometimes it is difficult to find. Well,
you can look for information a little more intentionally, that is, when you
go to the newspapers or the qualified ones, to the places where you report
at the top, because it does a search, a little more intentional,
because, perhaps, if you are going to find the reports, but it
is going to be a little hidden, then, if you want to know
a little bit about what they are proposing, what is being discussed at European
level, nons does a little bit of research and if not, in the
end we have to go to the international media, that is, we will
have to go to the us, we have a medium that is called Euronews,
which is at European level, which is quite aseptic. But to find
out, for example, what is happening at European level, what are the
major debates, what are the main lines of discussion that exist at continental level,
because it is advisable, that is, there you can find a little
bit. Then you have commented that in our media, because there is information,
because right now on the cover we have placed there the last four or
five reports that we have published on the European issue. And I think it
is so interesting because they also speak to us from the point of view that
we tend to present, which is an evangelical point of view, that is,
with evangelical people who also, because we have interests in some aspects as
well and we have something to say about very concrete aspects. Obviously, there
is an issue that is also there, which is being discussed very little,
but it is the issue of religious freedom and which, of course, here
we have a continent where it is respected, but there are beginning to be
conflicts, especially with regard to the great growth of Islam in some countries and
as that is starting to conflict with the laws we have in many of our
countries. This is also an issue that is on the table and that it
is important to be able to know it. So let' s say in
the invitation to be informed. That is to say, we are in the
era theoretically, we are in that age of information in which it is possible
to get well informed about things, because this time, in order to inform
ourselves we have to leave the news stand aside, because the pediator will be
talking to us about national politics throughout the week and they have not stopped and
no matter whether they are European or not, and then we will trace the
information a little more at a deeper level. There are also media specialized in
international information. I am thinking of means such as the World Order, for
example, which has also skipped interesting reports on the subject of second clothes selections.
I would even say that you have some doubt about what the electoral process
is, what the Europe process is, what the European Union implies. And
all that, even the official website of the European Union is quite informatively enough
to know a little bit, what we are voting for, what is being
set up, how even the European Parliament is configured, which is set up
in seven groups, then where each of the parties that can access is included.
Anyway, that' s all information I think can help us deal with
the elections we have this Sunday. Yes, and I find the document of
the European Evangelical Alliance very interesting. We must be peacemakers and an example of
how to discuss politics with respect for those of us who disagree deeply. It
is an exhibition of the entity of the European Evangelical Alliance, European elections,
ideologies, yes and dola, political trias. No, which is what even
Christians, who I think we have like any mature citizen, have that good
we choose what we find most appropriate. We have that democratic freedom, of
course we do, but we don' t make barricades and we don'
t make trenches and we start bombing psyche and we identify as some things that
aren' t healthy for social coexistence and are totally inappropriate. We can say
that and even if we can denounce it, but it means that I stand
in a political trench and this is why it coincides with some Christian values.
But if you see other values, since dictatorial and rancid of the official religion
and this and of the black soul of Spanish life, because I say no
and no And I am Spanish and I feel total Spanish, but let us
not fall into extremism. And I believe that the document of the Evangelical Alliance
that appears here to inspire individuals, local churches and evangelical alliances to pray,
to think and to ask questions before the vote for the European Parliament elections this
June 9. And there is the Bangrica Auropea Alliance for the 2, 000
sections in English and Spanish. Complete, well, it' s two thousand
twenty- four. Then let us take into account some things in the document.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It' s a document I
think it' s valuable. It' s a very brief document. Also,
that is, it will serve as an introduction a little to think about
what our vote is for and how to exercise it in a wise way.
The political defense that is made in the introduction has this part. I think
that I am quite interesting about this problem when an ideology becomes hegemonic, not
only at the social level, but in some way it prevents the debate about
itself and the lack of that debate, of confrontation of ideas that we are
actually seeing, for example, in our country and that also ends up spreading
to other places. I mean, if we don' t get to debate
with someone who thinks differently from us, it' s going to be very
difficult for us to build anything with the other person. That is to say,
the minimum would be to be able to debate ideas and think this on
this subject and I believe that this is the solution. You think differently,
because you present me your opinion or your strategy to address this issue. And
that' s where we should find them. That would be the exercise of
politics. The problem is that we are seeing that this is not happening.
I mean, we see more and more environments where basically the politician clings to
his and his and no matter what they do. What they say is like
almost going with a football team, that is, to death. And that
' s it and you defend a few colors and you don' t listen
to reasons you get carried away by the heart. Well, that' s
exactly what politics shouldn' t be. Politics must be exercised with the heart.
Yes, but above all with the head, and we have to try
to think about the arguments, to present, let' s say what we
consider best for our society, but in order to be able to convince others,
and that the vote is, in that sense, a vote in accordance
with ideas and a proposal that does not mean voting for someone, does not
mean supporting everything that that person does or says or that person thinks is a
trusted bike so that he can carry out his program. But that vote of
confidence about the person fails his program, his proposal, because that vote is
taken away, that is, and we should never end up being hostage to
a political ideology in that sense, because we really end up becoming a person
or a fanatic who does not end up building, but basically going to try
to overthrow others to build his own power. And it seems and seems that
in Europe, as we have seen, there are not many political proposals that
begin to be put forward in this way. So I think that as Christians,
there we have a great challenge to participate as a citizen, of course,
and also those who are more involved in the political arena, because it
is also their position to participate in another way and to generate a climate that
is more constructive and less of fanaticization and destruction of the other. Yes,
that' s how the Minister who is now the head of the party'
s three poster takes over the green agenda must gain weight in the European Commission
And what and what and what does that mean and that abstract and generic and
what and those slogans of her and others, and that your journalistic intuition to
Daniel, especially the sainete with the wife Begoña Gómez, who, by the
way, even of paradoxes. How can you preside over a professorship of a
person who, that is, does not have a university degree, something is
good. One may have been doing college studies, although we haven' t
finished well. I think that' s what he' s done. A
lot of people do that, well, it' s okay, but maybe
it' s not finished with a bachelor' s degree. But you don
' t have to have a master' s degree and more for a professorship,
even a doctorate. So here' s a lot to water. This
on many sides, this on the one hand, and then the whole subject
of trapicheos, the components of influence, of political friendlyness, of traffic,
of influences, with the theme of global and good. I don' t
know. This doesn' t look good, uh, no, no,
not to see. It is clear that behind him some of the accusations were,
for example, false information and that could be known at the time,
I mean, there were some things that were published that were correct. But
once that' s happened let' s say that for a month now all
the information that is coming out of that information that is there and here the
issue perhaps beyond what is the judicial issue, by the most judicial, obviously,
is the investigation underway. Progress is being made in the investigation and even
if the President has bothered the times or whatever, because the times of justice
are his times. Then we also don' t have why they lead well
and, above all, I keep in mind that begoña gomez is currently being
investigated, she is not accused of anything. Therefore, the investigation is simply
a procedure that usually starts just to investigate and does not at all break the
defendant' s assumption of innocence. Then the problem is. I believe that
everything that is being known, whether or not it is a crime, is
not right. I mean, it' s not something that' s not
right. They are things that because the trading of influences is very difficult to
prove in many ways, that is, very difficult to prove trading in influences
sometimes, but everyone suspects it all over the world. He suspects it'
s very easy that he' s really there and even if he' s
not criminally punishable, he' s going to be from the ethical or moral
perspective, especially considering that good. What we are aware of is that basically
the woman of the President has set up this training with the help of certain
companies that are then also benefited by the Government and at the same time with
this handicap that you pointed out, the fact that she is the director without
having that degree that is usually held is not the only case, but it
is quite rare what has been given there. And then the good topic of
the recommendations she signed for some companies, among many other recommendations, is quite
common in the business sphere, that is, that this type of attempt to
comment, but the problem is his figure as wife of the President, making
these recommendations so that these companies can then access a public fund or access some
kind of service that the State hires. So, of course, whether or
not it' s a crime is something I think it does mark the President
' s trajectory and at least ethically, because it leaves many questions. That
is why I believe that, even if the court case does not progress as
the case continues and continues to emerge, that kind of information will affect.
But, on the other hand, I don' t know very well if
this is what will make Sanchez in the end able to make some decision to
lead to an electoral advance. I believe that in the situation in Catalonia it
is also a very important factor. It has to do with him what'
s going to happen. Let' s see what happens to the government in
Catalonia if elections are called again or without seder any contact of mon It seems
that it does not want to know anything other than having the government and then,
from there, then, what rc does nobody knows very well what it
will do. There' s still a lot of suspicion, on the one
hand, on the other, but no one knows everything. Then the picture
is not simple. We knew that. We have already commented several or that
it is a weak government and every time there are elections, even autonomic ones,
because you see yes, it is a magnificent reflection that you are doing.
Is Daniel politically wrong? It is very politically incorrect, and that in
other countries, especially in countries that are distant and still in Portugal, with
the President of Portugal, without getting so much that there was not the accusation
as well and that there was also the investigation, not the accusation. If
in the imputation it is clear, clearly clear, but then and politically,
it is very incorrect traffic in the series of networks that is the Civil Guard,
it is, therefore, requisitioning everything to see what there is and we
will see what comes out, which may be nothing, for it is nothing.
But in any case, there is already evidence of a trade in influence
that the Government does not proceed with on the woman of the President. She
is a public figure for antonomasia, also because of what she represents her husband
and in that sense, because this, then, is not going to stand
well. And speaking of Catalonia, I, as an observer from here if
independence, which has not been able to lose, has had an evil to
lose the elections today, but very bad to lose. But, well,
he' s defeated. This is clear. Like never before, not even
in the days of Jordi Buyol, he has come much less. But the
matter if they do not democratically make way for it there, as she also
did, although regardless of whether they are like one or the other, not
even mine. But as a Democrat, we' re gonna be serious.
If you go back to an electoral rerun, you will lose more, I,
as a political observer, say, you will lose enough more, you
will lose a few more seats and you will rise a little more and well
and if there will be some sort of arrangement in any way. But we
' ll waste our time. And here, in Catalonia, there are a
number of issues that are totally paralyzed with it. Between him, I no
longer speak of the companies that have left and that have not returned and that
has been a great loss, like Catalana. But and this and nothing or
moonni as if they didn' t want to know in the world of Yupi.
But apart from this, the reality is that there are a lot of
things to ally, not just rolls and questions, and there are a lot
of things per paralyzed. And among the sainete of the political gresca, these
gentlemen, the topic of doctors, nurses, that there is a deficit but
in all Spain, but in Catalonia, monumentally means to put immediate political solutions,
instead of being bluffing already the mud machine and patatero rolls that are a
shame, it is from a school yard. Anyway, I don' t
know what to say anymore. Yes, because the truth that exactly the national
and regional landscape in that sense, because sometimes it can cause us to dissolve
a focus with what politics is and in the midst of politics, as we
are seeing it, I believe that we need to move to a state,
if possible, of some stability at the governmental level, that is, that
we can, at least for a moment, stop things and set up minimally
stable governments that allow for the development of certain plans and to address certain things.
In the case of Catalonia, well, not only is it really the
problem of now these elections that can leave us, but Catalonia really has been
many years, many years of much political instability in the midst of the process,
at the time of this situation, and that is what it means for
an autonomous community in terms of the delay in addressing policies that can make it
look to the future and that the future is not a utopia, but that
it is the future of the well- being of citizens. And so we
also see ourselves a little bit in Spain it is also true that in the
end you realize that the country, because the country, the autonomous communities,
everything follows a little. The gears keep moving forward and don' t stop
the machinery of life, people keep going to work, the state keeps working
more or less, and that' s what it keeps. I believe that
social peace is the reason why these very tense and destabilizing political situations do not
get so much deeper at the level of our society. That is to say,
there is tension, of course, but at the same time we can
tell the truth, that we can breathe calmly that one goes up or another
goes down in the government, because that does not mean a bacle at the
country level, and that I think is a good thing, that is,
what I would like and we would comment a little at the political beginning.
Sometimes I think he is taking on more headlines and carrying more media weight than
he would ever deserve, and hopefully we too will be able to do once
these electoral storms are over, as we begin to look a little bit further
in the medium term and think about that construction of the important things that we
have to do in which politics is an important part. But it is not
so important who, who is ruling, what a tendency it has, there
are only many other things that are also important and which we need to talk
about exactly well, as we will see the courtyard. We have already left
things like the Israeli- Palestinian conflict with Gaza and this recent attack on a
UN school in Gaza. What happens is that in some of the ONO schools
there was a basement of never and unfortunately it has already been passed in several.
But unfortunately people die and I told an Israeli friend that they want to
make a call next week here such an Israeli entrepreneur and said anti- Semitism
against the total freedom of the kidnapped, for ever, totally agree. But
Israeli politics at this time and we are fond of Israel for many historical and
sentimental reasons, but not for its political mistakes, not to go so far
in killing so many people. This is not tolerable. This has to stop.
This is clear, regardless of whether there are blues, whether there are
warehouses, whether there are warehouses, or whether there are warehouses, but what
we have invented, which is true, the entire network of tunnels and everything
they have to assemble in kilometers, there were all the entire cities, but
it is never a terrorist State, it is clear and within a democratic State,
the only democratic State in the whole Middle East. But this has to
stop. People cannot be killed, even if they are being used by the
terrorists of never as human shields to the civilian population. You can' t
kill people like that. And in that there is a protest, for at
least my part. I don' t know if you' ll agree,
but I guess so. To see I really see it very similar to you
I mean, there is, on the one hand, that very complicated situation
that has been on the ground for so long, that difficulty of being able
to solve it. The conflict is taking hold and at the same time those
good ones. Historically we see how there have been times when violence has been
increasing at specific times and clearly what happened on October 7 was a beastly,
brutal, brutal thing. That' s where it really starts. Yes,
yes, I was holding my hands to my head the other day because we
were able to hear that there was a good one. They invited him in.
We can have an initiative to give people a voice on the subject of
Palestine and all this, and it was good for people to hear about being
parliamentary to people who were justifying what happened on October 7th, that is,
the attacks that they did on October 7th, which we know, are the
innocent, of course, a thousand and two hundred more dead, all of
them kidnapped. And of course, that can' t be ignored, of
course. But it can' t be uviated, as you well said,
that Israel' s military response is being very disproportionate, brutally dispossessed There is
not that just first, first, because it has forced the disputing of the
population without really giving them security alternatives, that is, it has not given
them real alternatives. And now that they are, let' s say,
cornered in the southern part of Gaza, in Rafa, where they still want
to intervene, because they really say that we have to try to end all
the military operation they have ever had. But of course, you' ve
really forced people to be there and you don' t give any other way
out to many other people who look totally cornered. And the military operation,
instead of being reconfigured or stopped or looking for some kind of negotiation, nothing
goes on at the same pace. And this, because it' s taking
us practically every week we' re finding ourselves or the news of a missile
that fell in a refugee camp or in a school or in a hospital,
where there can be any, can give its reasoning, but we' re
really going to count more and more victims and you really can' t.
It' s really hard. You don' t have to put yourself,
of course, on the skin of both places. But, well, there
really are people there who are obviously not terrorists. Not all Christians, not
all Panamanians are terminists. Of course not. Then you can' t treat
an entire population that way. They' re never kidnapped by the civilian population.
Tan kidnapped. They can' t in case they don' t get
liquidated. Let' s go, but yes, in what Israel can do
and if that has the right to do so, there is no other remedy
until this somehow completely disassembles. The whole operation is here. Never militarize the
Gaza Strip, but stop killing, stop attacking those indiscriminate attacks. He'
s actually going to do it, he' s going to militarize it,
and he' s going to control it, because he' s going to
do that, but he' s not going to kill innocent people anymore.
I mean, this is intolerable, but well, the thing would be a
lot of it. The last thing facing the elections already you vote wisely this
is a Council that the Evangelical Alliance always gives and I think it is very
smart and I think very timely. What would you say about it already,
to finish our conversation, vote wisely that you always recommend from the Spanish Evangelical
Alliance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, the idea is a little
bit of what we' ve been talking about during this talk. Not this
little chatty. When you vote, you can do it in many ways,
but you have to think that you are not simply casting your vote or that
what you are doing has no relevance or that you do have it. No,
yes, political participation is important, thinking also that as Protestants we do
not believe in democracy in that sense, which is something that was born in
fact, from the just interpretation of scriptures, of applying biblical principles to society.
And from there comes the possibility that we had to participate actively in politics
through our vote. So, obviously, you vote with judgment, which is
the problem that has been used. This is what Lancia Vangélica is again proposing
before each of the elections a reflection that our vote has value, is valid
and that we can actually vote informed, that is, let us not simply
vote in this case, as we have said before, for our ideology or
that only for an ideological adjustment or because you have always voted for the same
person who has always voted for a person who is a kind of football club
membership, but that we exercise our discernment and this is rather a biblical call.
The Bible encourages us to discern, to think, to exercise our intellect
and to inform ourselves well when acting then that the vow we make can be
informed and that each one vote to whomever he wants. Of course, for
that it is a free country and let us approach these elections, because also
giving our support, because in a conscious way, conscious because then it is
also going to allow us to participate better in what is the control of our
politicians, of what they do, of what they propose, because once we
have given them the vote, we will also be a little more attentive to
how they then exercise politics. That' s my dear friend Daniel, as
I always thank you so much that you have appeared and illustrated us about interesting
issues of the most current politics. It cannot be Europe today is the big
issue or some slashes of domestic politics and Spanish political gresca, which is at
this point, is painful. In Europe we are seen as ridiculous in this
respect because of the exaggeration and extremism that are taking place and the sea being
done by some is clear and some who have more responsibility than others. But
thank you, because we' ll keep talking. This is going to give
a lot of itself still later and see what happens right away we talk again.
All right. Thank you, Julio. I' ll send you a
hug, buddy. Even always bye or from my mother' s womb with
patience you formed me and painted the details with your love, your design so
perfect. I don' t know how complete it feels today. It needs
the touch of its creator, but here I have a miracle trapped in my
hands and I will not let you just believe it. I' m Sana,
I' m salt but now I don' t feel it in my
mud already it' s done. I am Sana, you are Sana,
although now I do not see your word is already a jamba li fact in
your plan always or life. This isn' t where it ends. And
even if there is great pain in this body, the end will be greater,
scorched from my father celebrating the vict. I am Sara, I am
Sana, although I do not feel that the miladro is I am Sana,
I am Sana, although I now pray your word. It is also a
fact that my miracles, the train of life, an exciting journey along the
routes of the heart, an unforgettable journey at the rhythm of the train.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are still on the move and we are joined by
a very interesting voice, which is the voice of Mario Escobar, Marios cobares
and historian of pro and is also a writer. Not only is he a
writer who writes novels, narratives and history issues, many and essays as well,
but he is a successful writer. Many of your titles are very successful,
both in Spain and in many countries of the world, and well,
it is interesting that you can enter the Mario Escobar page that and there you
will see your bibliography and a number of very interesting options. But we have
it here today to tell us about Europe, where Europe is going to be.
The story is a slam. The history of Europe is a broad history,
brief parts of the history of Europe. Speaking of what we are talking
about, talking about where Europe is going, it seems to be with the
two great hinos of freedom and social justice, which were the great proclamations of
the creation of the European Union. But where are we, where do we
come from and where are we going? Good morning, dear Mario Hello,
good morning. It is a pleasure star poured in July. Nice to see
you, too, buddy. I know that in a moment you will tell
us about some of your titles that are already out there also more recent and
some others of interest to all readers, that we are many of your books.
But Europe cannot avoid social discourse. Well, and what I was talking
to journalist Daniel Oscán. We are talking about everything but Europe, real Europe,
the question of Europe, its own positions, its needs, its real
future, and so on. Here we talk about bronches and speckling against each
other. It' s a shame. Especially in Spain we are the political
navajeo that ayí is very alarming. But going to the idea, I was
seeing different things. According to Pedro Laine, something comes in a great writer
and historian also about Europe and tomorrow and what Europe is and what it is
and there it is talked about. He speaks of the influence, among others,
of Greece and the contribution of Christianity. And some of his contemporaries say
that Europe, without the Bible, without Christianity and if it had not been
the same in the Bible, would be a totally socially disaggregated continent. You
' re okay with that. Well, the history of Europe, as you
well say, is very old. In fact, we carry the old continent
has a long period of classical culture, although we could by putting a date
more or less in the period of Pericles And what was that tenas as incredible
of the first great philosophers as the Origin, which is curious because it is
at the foot of Asia. Gracia is almost very close to Asia, Asia
minor and then all Asia and was a little stellar. Among those powerful Asian
cultures, the Fritese Tigris river, where civilization is born as we understand it
more now, Hugo Egypt, true with its Nile, well, it grew
to be that small territory of evidence of that State. It is where the
main evaluations of Europe are born, freedom, democracy, the whole idealistic world
that creates socrats of universal ideas, beauty, love and so many other things.
And about that, about that philosophy of ideas, The first philosophers had
dedicated themselves to studying nature, but he studies man, for from that he
is born in that quest for man in Asia. That' s not gonna
happen on other continents. And that is the first pillar that will be passed
on in Europe, that quest for man. Understand the human being, understand
it and then, as you well say, the arrival of Christianity is going
to unify all that, because well, I already see it a nest in
some sense the Roman Empire, truth. But the Roman Empire was a synthetist.
I was looking for more than anything, it was a political power for
you. Religion did not care so much for truth as to worship the emperor
and sacrifice itself to the Roman state. And even though it was true something
that long cohesioned Europe, but it was a position. Although the world was
formalized customs, ways of seeing, but thoughts, the way of understanding the
world remained very different in each part of the Empire. Then it comes to
Christianity and what it does get through a long period. We are talking about
nearly four hundred years until it is consolidated and universalized already in all that was
the Roman Empire manages to have a common project. I talk a lot in
my classes in the union that the culture that manages to build a better story
is the one that responds to the one that surpasses the others. And Europe,
having that story about the world, a world that has a beginning and
an end, that has a savior, someone who came to save the world
and will return that idea of linear history, to go towards a goal,
because it turned Europe into a great civilization on these two pillars, curiously that
seem contradictory, but that relate to each other, man and faith, Christianity
and this incessant search for the meaning of life, were those pillars that have
supported Europe. Of course, in the last forty- fifty years the two
pillars have been worn out, and right now we are almost in a broken
society and a Europe in a deep crisis. What an interesting reflection, ladies
and gentlemen, to put us in perspective from the origins of Socrates and Good
Aristotle, with his magna ora for politics that already gives a little profile to
the social life of citizens. And it is true that Europe is the old
world, but everything is born from here. This is where universal history is
born, where the continents were good, but really the bodybuilding and everything is
born from here. And now we are taking a leap, a leap of
polegy, but enormous historical, And we come to modern times, where the
European Union is constituted, based on two fundamental axes, the preservation of human
freedoms and the improvement of human freedoms and social justice among them, and also
the distribution of economic wealth. And well, in that sense it' s
been very interesting. But what has happened at the same time and I want
you to give us some thoughts, which has resulted in the total de-
Christianization of Europe. Right. Yes, the problem is that Europe has been
idealized in many ways. This European construction was therefore not so cylindrical, that
construction on democracy, freedom. If we do not forget that the first is
a common market. I mean, there' s a common market left,
the steel hi. Europe realizes that the world which is sometimes the largest,
which develops in a faster way, which is more competitive in many ways and
ends up trying to join economically after the same way has suffered a great deal.
Germany is growing and so that prevents these complex cultures from developing. Then
we see that common market, which is uniting Europe so that there are no
economic borders. And there comes a time when there is also an attempt to
establish a political union and under that the European Constitution is made, with those
rights of social justice, of seeking support and those ideals that we have been
talking about democracy, freedom. This is well- being that is being dissolved
and there are beginning to be European laws that I believe are seeking more control
of the states, are seeking more to politically manage the peoples and is politicized
because all the European institutions no longer fulfil their function, that it was more
feeling of Europe, that people felt more free, belonged to that club that
was economically protective, but also had objectives as you say social and political.
I believe that the idea of the Berlin Wall, because it ends with the
other antagonistic gral and we realize that Europe had come together to forge this advance
of communism in Europe and for a number of economic interests. When, moreover,
the economy is globalized and many companies are outside the continent, Europe begins
to have less economic relevance and you no longer have a political enemy. That
is why we are now at such a special and curious moment, because,
imagine, we now have again a very powerful political enemy, such as Russia
and Foting and everything you are doing in the former Soviet Union, and Europe
has woken up or is slowly like that old man, for slowly lifting itself
from that dream that it has had of prosperity, realizing that it is totally
dependent on China, especially India, for other countries of South- East Asia,
where almost everything is produced, and now European citizens are also demanding drastic
changes. And all of that, then, joins a crisis of values unprecedented
to We live in a time when a crisis of values at a global level
in almost all civilizations and cultures that have put into play, all because crisis
in the family, individual crisis, crisis of identity. And, on the
other hand, in the face of that crisis and that great moral vacuum there
is, ideologies are reborn with all their strength and power, because when there
is a moral vacuum, it has to be filled by ideology, which is
already an artificial construct, which sets out a series of ideals that, in
these senses, blind the human being. They make him go towards those ideals,
forgetting the real problems that each of these citizens is experiencing. Then,
of course, we live in a very interesting moment from a sociological, truth
and political point of view, and it will even be a great time for
historians, but very dangerous in the sense of a Europe without direction, divided,
full of contradictions. And now in these Europeans they play a lot.
In these elections, which are soon to be held on this European Parliament,
I see so many turbulences. Well World, there really are turbulences and in
the Middle East, in the United States, in Latin America, in the
other continents, but in Europe, the self- complacent Europe. No,
I notice insecurities, obviously now, with the war of the Russian invasion over
the attempt to invade Ukraine criminally, as Putin is doing, and well,
everything that is being triggered around that an important arms race because the fear of
war, of an open war, is there. But the military, political,
economic turbulence, and apparently the other day there was a kind of joke
I saw a surprise face of the Horwell that would put two twenty- four
as I wanted and said my own saying has been fulfilled and it is true.
The system even that Europe is generating is a control system, unifying control.
This right now that all mobiles in the European Union are proposing that all
mobiles be controlled to control pederasty. And to control pederasty, we have to
control every citizen' s mobile phone, which is theoretically already controlled by satellites.
But it already means everything points to a system of antichrist truth of world
control points to that. Not good. The truth is that politics in many
stages of history has been anti- Christian anti- Christ. And in the
New Testament it is said that many antichrists have risen up because they are mentioned
as one who, sometimes religiously, sometimes politically, rises up against all the
values that Christ came to transmit to the earth, values such as love of
neighbor, such as Jewry, helps the disadvantaged, such as the search for
truth, as the search for social justice. When there are powers that are
concrete people and even groups, they can not only be a person, but
a group, an elite, they stand against those values. There have already
been antichrists and there have been many. There has been a neron, for
he was the first to mention Christian history, but we see how Napoleon himself
was considered antichrist in his time, self crowned, true emperor, taking from
the Pope that crown, naturally, of off Hilller. We could talk about
Stalin and other great dictators like Mosetún, who were antichrists, were anti-
value of what Christ proposed and now and murderer and the rest good, murderers
of their own peoples and of the foreign peoples that invaded. Then there is
a policy, a way of thinking, of seeing the world that is always
anti- Christian and against the Christ, or is anti- Christ and we
live perhaps in a time that is that formula. It is increasingly dangerous,
because the control it has over individuals is greater. Let us think of Rome,
for the control an emperor could have at that time was very small.
Let' s think practically minimally about what happened, even the Napoleonic invasions,
are the Giles dogs. Hitler already had greater control of society, but also
comparatively very small and clearly, because he could not dominate every sphere of the
human being. But, as you say right now, because thanks to technology,
it is very easy, very simple, to control the human being.
And that bothers us, fills us with uncertainty, with fear, because we
can be constantly watched, constantly recorded and then you use those images or those
words in any way. Then, in addition, all this is linked to
artificial intelligence, which is already dominating many systems, many large companies are controlled
with artificial intelligence and security systems and soon, as we will see that in
that sense we are also going to be even more controlled by this artificial intelligence.
Of course, when Christians have imagined the end of times, as Orwell
did with his novel, which was a great criticism, the totalitarian system,
especially communist of the time that many admired, and he who had been a
very left- wing name and I have come to Spain to roach the civil
gra, especially in Catalonia, because we see that he realizes the danger of
the end of the religious system that ideologies suppose. As you said before,
we have removed Christianity from the equation of Europe. For a long time we
have put ideologies in which there is a cult to the leader. What they
have been trying to do since the 1960s to Europe is to build a Europe
that more with Europe, as you said about that prosperity, inequality, that
solidarity. If it is a question in Europe that dominates the rest of the
territories and an idea of Europe that is far removed from the reality of the
citizens, then all this makes us very uncertain, very afraid. And besides,
we see that it is something on a global level. There is only
one need, then, for a politician to show his ability to dominate the
world, his ability to bring peace, something that is the human being,
nela from the beginning security and peace, which are promises that the Bible tells
us, that Antichrist will give to humanity, and also the war of Israel
also one of those thermometers of history. And we see that it seems that
everyone is preparing in some way for that end of time. This is not
possible and Europe has much to do with that end of history, as we
conceive it in the West. Yes, it seems that we do not want
to believe that the prophecies already in the 20th century the great prophecy of the
reconstitution of the one millennial state. There are States that have been reconstituted,
but not millennials like Israel. And this gives more prominence to the thing.
The only reconstituted millennial State that has regained its national identity for all intents and
purposes has been Israel. And it is a fulfilled prophecy, unmistakably fulfilled.
And but everything that' s going on, obviously, and we don'
t want to believe that everything points towards the end of time. I don
' t know if it' ll be decades or but this doesn' t
last long, as it looks now. I was thinking about Yorwell and the
theme of nine hundred and sixty- four. But rebellion at the Farm is
another prophetic issue. This man who acted was a prophet because of things that
explain what has happened. Just like not And now I' m going to
provoke you a little bit to You Mario, as a writer the subject and
maybe find out that you already have some of this, the AI artificial intelligence
issue. If there' s a cyber blackout that may control almost everything or
everything from hospitals, services, from a whole country, you can paralyze a
hack from a country, from an institution, from many institutions, from a
city and that and it' s already happening, because there are already fires
of that. That may be a collective hijacking of hidden powers you say,
well, now you' re covering July, but it' s credible.
I' m somehow violating the territory of a new novel of yours or no
good could be we haven' t already seen cases of similar situations. It
is clear that wars are now being played in many different fields, it is
like the great chess, which we sometimes believe is only true by launching missiles
or bombs or sending armies of cyber warfare that began to do decades ago and
that is increasingly vicious. There are large systems of cyberattacks established in countries such
as China especially and also Russia. Also in Europe and the United States he
makes his attacks against his enemies. In that sense, and as you say,
right now. Being such a complex society, we are so vulnerable to
the control of the electricity law and the media, perseveringly of the Internet.
Only with those control of those two would they practically hack the whole world.
No. We have no way to survive. Not in the past, a
hundred years ago people had lived in the countryside. Eighty percent had an orchard,
they could try a little bit to survive a goat. I don'
t know anything they could hunt us down right now we depend 100% on
technology. The funny thing is that this message of the end of the world,
not that we are commenting now and have to do with Europe with this
end of the world, is something that previously seemed to only say, especially
Christians, although good muso or Muslim has his idea also of the end of
the world and not very different from the Christian one. But now we see
in the secular world that speaks of the end of the world. Yes,
yes, yes, yes, yes, such a good, sometimes they see
it from an ecological point of view, not a world that collapses due to
the excessive exploitation of raw materials and the expulsion of gases into the atmosphere,
and that makes climate change so apocalyptic that it destroys the world. Sometimes because
of the excess of the end of those resources, sometimes because of a massive
cyber attack, even artificial intelligence, rebelling against the human being himself. I
recently saw robots. I think that the Chinese military military uses drones, which
are half robots also a little directed, but with intelligence already surely personal.
Then we see that all this, which looked like science novels, fiction,
is happening. And then there' s another novel you' ll like about
Hootley, too. We are going to a happy world and, in the
meantime, it is a happy world people, we are all so entertaining,
so immersed in that water of constant information that leaves us almost with the mind
blank and so many visual mule styles that it seems that all of that doesn
' t matter to us. We would rather not think of it as if
the Titanic sank while the orchestra plays its last song and Europe sometimes gives that
feeling. There are small signs that things can change. I was not talking
about having a personal friend who works at the drug agency who is so famous
for the whole pandemic, and how we are trying, for example, to
produce medicine in Europe that almost all is produced outside the microchips. And Europe
is trying to react to this. But it is also trying to increase military
spending to make itself safer. But the failure there I think you agreed with
me, is that Europe lacks that idea as a whole, not that idea
of the whole that Christianity gave it. But then we should define whether Christianity
is an individual act or something collective. This is not what St Augustine does,
it is the city of God in which either it has been the great
debate if the society that is Christian or it is the individuals that there is
in that society that is to be Christians because they form a Christian society,
because it is true that the values principles ways of thinking about Christianity came to
impel everything, because, justice, political government, the way of understanding society
and even the idea of democracy, as we understand it comes from the Greeks,
then has its good mix in the time of reform that is given by
the current parliamentary democracy. But instead, we see that that fails. So,
even if Europe tries to arm itself again, try again to have a
common political position and be relevant in the world, it lacks what is important
not that account that of a universal Europe consciousness, and I believe that Christianity
should be that account. But on the other hand, Christianity in Europe continues
to decline at forced rates n n n ns countries. Others not so much,
curiously, in the countries of the East, that so much was attacked
in this sense, maintain their Christian conditions, while the West, because it
is in a free fall of religious beliefs and especially Christianity. The absolute,
absolute, absolute secularization, the exclusion in the social imaginary of the Jewish Christian
culture as a culture, according to some of these aware, of turn,
that is repressive, guilty and anachronistic. And so, but it turns out
that on this foundation it has been and Protestant reform has had a lot to
do with the birth of modern democracy. I mean, it' s clear,
but, well, this would give a lot more of itself mario.
Of course, with you, we can talk about such interesting things that we
are talking about Europe, where it is going and the origins of Europe and
Europe' s current affairs, but let' s talk about your books,
talking about your latest audiences. I have here the page then. You can
enter the Marius Cobar page. Mario Escobar' s official website is and there
you will see many interesting things. Tell us about your latest publications, in
which you draw our attention. The truth is that this year has been very
productive. There were practically three novels in a row, two more for America
and one for Spain, the Spanish. It is the Bookstore of Madrid,
which talks about the civil war and about a German free one coming to Madrid.
He opened a bookstore also behind the story of love and integrates into the
German Community of Madrid, which was mostly very close to what would be the
Lutheran church that was in the city and the College go that had been founded
by the Flitner family. But it is a bit the unfortunate adventures problems of
this young barbarian who finds a Madrid full of mysteries with also a buoyant culture.
That time of the meetings, the books begin to reach everyone and good
is discovering that wonderful Madrid by the hand of a real character, Luis Fernández
Beor, who was a writer of police novel of the 1930s in Madrid,
And everything gets complicated. Ideologies begin to have so much strength in that Madrid
and in that Spain of the Republic, that they begin to deteriorate everything until
the outbreak of the civil war and what happened afterwards. Then a historical novel,
but also a tribute to books, bookstores, all those booksellers. True,
for decades they have helped us to keep dreaming to see what in the
books Sometimes there is a hope that there is not in the reality that surrounds
us and it is a novel that, well, already carries its second edition
State. I have travelled practically all over Spain with many readers who have enjoyed
this adventure and already finishing with the Madrid Book Fair. I' ve got
two days left. I was already the first day and well, with the
good news that it had never happened to me that at the time and little
of being signing, all the books were finished and I left earlier because they
had been exhausted. Then we hope that these remaining days will also be so.
And then there are two very different stories. One about Juan de Valdés,
The Beauty of Words, which is a novel about this character that makes
the dialogue of the language and the dialogue of Christian doctrine. Okay. The
first one I mentioned before goes out with editions. B conditions came out And
this is with BH, which is an American publishing house and Bueno is also
being, because very read by the old Good, the new continent, better
said, the old ones are for us and I have had several interviews with
different countries of America and they are falling in love with this Spanish character so
forgotten by his heterodoxy. How he is the brother of Alfonso Valdés, secretary
of Carlos v a man who creates together with Nebrija, because the first grammar,
an incredible man, but also, a life full of emotion and adventure.
And this novel, because it also came out in this first half of
the year. And the third that came out was the commander of the people
who gave the story of Camilo Cienfuegos about revolutionary Cuba. He' s dating
Spanish harper Colins. And how, then, this man who supports the revolution
then realizes that he does not go to the place he thought and tries to
reveal himself. But it' s too late. Then the story of the
walk of Fires, son of Spaniards, as Fidel Castro was, and so,
a very politically meaningful man, but also very much loved by the Cuban
people, because, while others gave great speeches, truth and very long speeches.
He was with the people and then, this man began to put himself
in the regime and disappeared a little. That story with Spanish Harper Corense is
the third one that came out early in the year and very excited because within
a very little time it is reissued Canción de Cuna Dousby that, in a
novel that has been exhausted for a long time, comes out with B editions
in pocket on the fourth of July, or a very significant date and is
the anteroom of October when it will come out again in the big song size
of Cuna Dawsvid and Auswit' s love song, which is the last work
I have written. It will be released by October of this year on paper
and in the e- book, and I will come back again for Sousbi,
after almost ten years of my first novel about Usbie' s lullaby and
good and then I could keep talking because there' s a book about Coritein
Boon coming out in February of the year that' s written one about Hoffer
and a soro novel with Hoffer, so it doesn' t go beyond working
with many stories that I' ll tell in very interesting. Or to a
song that she' s beautiful. That novel is beautiful and it can wet
me like so many others. I am very interested in Mario Escobar' s
Bookshop of Madrid, one of his latest publications. Very interesting for her,
for her and then the theme of the beauty of the words that we find
in the story of Juan de Valdez and the brightness of his prose, in
the darkness of the inquisition. It is what in some way is the description,
that is to say another of Mario Escobar' s literary beauties and interesting,
also historical and novel. The village commander is also this one. One
of the last works. It is a novel based on the life of Camilo
one hundred Fires and his mysterious death by the Castro regime, apparently the colleague,
but that removed the Stalin and Mausetun style from the middle with the campaign
of the one hundred Flowers and so many others who were ultimately murderers. But
of those choirs there are not hundreds of thousands, but millions of people who
take them away from middle dissidents. But how interesting to read from those who
know the story, he is a historian, he is a professor of the
subject. There is also that writer, a successful writer. Yes, because
it is, we are not talking about flattering you, because it is your
novels and your narratives and your history books, because being among the many highlights
of the current bibliography, the narrative and other literary disciplines, as you know,
for directly from the Amazon platform you can also access in addition to your
pages. God cobar is yes also right now, for example, the bookseller
of Madrid can be bought on all platforms English cut or go to the shops
there in the fairs of many cities that are now, because beginning ending up
in the nag at home of the book, in any bookstore and those who
listen to us from the other side of the world. Well, there'
s the eBook right now and the physical Book will come out by July.
For the United States and then, from there also reach Mexico between July and
August and other cities and countries of Hispanic America the rest of the summer,
that is, it will be arriving by the end of the summer. I
believe Argentina and other places. Well, I' m going to go because
I have near the English Gordi to get the Bookstore of Madrid, which I
don' t have and I want to give him the glove, because dear
Mario, a pleasure to talk to you immensely because here listening to someone like
you, because we stay, because we are mouthed at many times. But
for that is the program of the train of life, also to cultivate and
to make known at least some scraps, because we can not stay as many
hours as we want, But how important it is to talk about Europe before
and after and now and the Europe that comes, which is uncertain, but
also of the books, the bibliography of Mario Escobar, which is so prolific
and so interesting. Dear friend, I' m sending you a big hug.
Well, I say Julio, thanks also to you for this wonderful program,
which spreads culture in all its senses and so necessary, because a human
right, like others who speak so much, is the right to culture and
that continues to defend it. So it is, it is, therefore,
a very affectionate embrace even forever. Good hug Chao Chao, the life train
hello. Friends, it' s Julio Perez. You know I' m
the director of the radio show, the weekly Magaxing, the train of life.
And it does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through
many human landscapes and many curiosities and things of life, earthly life and heavenly
life. I also have the joy of telling you that I published my book,
a book that has to do with the train of life. There are
fifty selected articles written by me. There are six seasons and in each season
there is a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny.
These are the things I tell in this book. These are perceptions, analyses,
experiences, comments and other curiosity in those fifty reflections, in those six
seasons, until we arrive at the station. There is also a very important
block. This book can already be found on Amazon on the editorial platform of
Amazón. Traveling on the train of life is called the book. It'
s the title of the book Traveling on the Train of Life. Julio Pérez,
a server is the author. Then there you can well know that the
train tells us about trips, trips through life. Life is a kind of
living parable, like a running train, that there are so many sensations and
so many experiences inside the train and what we are seeing inside and what we
see from the train out. Well, that' s where I propose you
have access to this book. Look at this book. I' ve done
it with a lot of love. I think there are things that are very
dear, very intimate, and others not so intimate are very, very open,
but it is a book that I have done from the heart and with
the heart traveling on the train of life. It is the title of a
Julio Pérez server on Amazon' s editorial platform. You can find him.
The book has a cost of fifteen euros in about 180 pages and everything collected
from that book is invested, reinvested in the radio project of Onda Paz or
Napau and in the train of life. Of course it is part of the
project so that this is put on and kept going as long as it never
stops So, I remind you and I thank you in advance for buying my
book on Amazon' s platform. Traveling in the train of the life of
a servant Julio Pérez. Thank you. Until always he was not a doctor
everything that changed my heart, it was not your majesty and your splendor that
speaks to me and comes to me solmor, which leads me to follow this
path to the end. It was your love, your impossible compassion, your
tail, the sweet sora of this was your tender love like the pure breeze
that heals like a smile and that of an arm. It was your way
of seeing love you give. It wasn' t authority that changed my condition,
it wasn' t your immense glory, your fulgo, what I prided
myself on, what has me to your feet that leads me to believe,
for your love, your impossible compassion, your wave that does sora tru was
your love as tender as the breeze that heals as an arm smile. It
was the crozi as devilss say reserves says negotiable to be your dog. It
was so that gender- based violence would never leave this sign again. Society
has this other zero sixteen tell me calmly. We' re going to help
you at the first sign of mistreatment. Call phone zero sixteen can mean another
life. A government of Spain hard travels on the train of life. Or
ladies and gentlemen, we have already come to the colors of life. Life
is a pantone of different colors, reliefs, perspectives and shapes. Life is
polyhedral in so many aspects, so many different bodies. And this is one
of the Conjugal life. But in the Conjugal life when obstacles occur, the
obstacles in our communication as a couple, which is very important for the development
of a healthy coexistence, conjugal coexistence. A saying says no one throws stones
or sticks at a fruitless tree. And in the field of couple relationships,
there is a tree from which good fruits can be reaped and it is good
communication. However, as the proverb seems to say, this tree often has
enemies and obstacles that can cast fruit on the ground. For that it is
necessary to know them in order to be able to overcome them successfully, since
the ignorance of these obstacles is the first factor that makes them seemingly so insurmountable
in some cases, and today we ask ourselves some things. Let' s
talk to Daniel Gaso about this. There we have him online with us directly.
Good morning, dear, Daniel, friend, good morning, July and
good morning to all who listen to us. Daniel, the first question I
put to you to open this topic, this debate. What are these obstacles
in the communicative relationship? Therefore, one of the problems that hinders good communication
in the couple' s environment is the accumulation of small conflicts and discrepancies that
end without closing, that is, without dialogue. What it means to shut
down. It means dialogue and leaving an acceptable agreement on what happened and how
to prevent it from happening. Perhaps if we do not create the habit of
dialogue in the discrepancies, then of listening and committing ourselves to the solution of
the problem through some kind of agreement or the ponto conflict. It ends up
acting like a small fire, that is, it ignites per hard for a
small time and then it goes extinct without doing anything, it simply goes out,
but its ashes remain there and when it avoids us, we will let
the small conflicts end without talking or from them it accumulates resentments and how many
slopes that finally become an obstacle and discourages us to feed our communication. We
always say that we have to keep short accounts and that is one of the
obstacles in communication, but the tone and attitude we maintain in our interactions,
as a couple, also exert an important influence in favor of communication or not.
It' s not like that, Daniel, because it' s the
tone we use in our interactions with our partner, the attitude, the kind
of expression, all that conveys to the other person the role we give him
in the interaction. It' s very important to see if I can explain
that to myself in that respect. For example, instead of being an interaction
an exchange of communication between two equal adults, which is what it should be
in the context of the couple, it may look like an interaction between,
for example, a father and a daughter, or a mother and a son,
or a boss and an employee, or someone wise and someone ignorant,
or someone who is right and someone who is wrong, etc. This causes
the interaction to become hostile. Why, then, because one of the two
captures the role given to him in the background and even if he is not
fully aware. One hundred percent reject it, feel uncomfortable, undervalued and a
simple act of communication becomes a conflict. The problem is that when this happens,
the conflict almost never closes because, because the discussion ends up focusing on
the roles we give each other. But we never end up focusing on the
real subject that needed to be discussed, on a central topic that we were
dealing with. So this is what happens whenever it becomes a paper war.
Let' s say no, yes, I give you a role but I
don' t accept it, I don' t afe. You, you
don' t accept it in our conversation, in our communication and vice versa.
Then that ends up turning into a problem. How important it is to
learn to live together and understand. I don' t know the truth.
It has been published in many studies that couples who give each other space,
allowing each member to have a certain level of autonomy to engage in individual interests,
are couples whose relationship is more mature, more solid and more stable.
That’ s true, Daniel, for as strange as some may appear as
it is to leave a space for my spouse to be alone from time to
time dedicated to cultivating a healthy personal hobby. It is an act of affirmation
in which I showed respect for our partner and in some way, I commit
myself to his singularity, to his tastes, to his characteristics, while at
the same time it is an act of confidence in which I recognize that he
can perform. That' s very important I also recognize that my partner can
do something that doesn' t prove rewarding without me. This adds security in
this relationship. It means that no one is afraid of being urgently needed no
matter how surprising it may appear to love and communicate. It' s not
based on us needing each other, even though that' s apparently a lot
of romantic Hollywood movies. I need you yes famous to initiu in English,
but in reality the couple relationship is not based on need, but is based
on that we have decided to link our lives in a solid and sustained way.
It is a free decision of each and that we renew it day by
day. If I' m with you because I need it, then what
happens, because I' m here because of a need and the need does
not allow me anything else, in other words, I have no other choice,
but this is the philosophy that sometimes hides many relationships as a couple.
When we leave mutual space, it is a sign that our relationship is solid.
When husband and wife, wife and husband leave room for each other,
recognizing each other in that space means that there is a real relationship that is
working. Not necessarily. We have to do everything together, even though that
sounds strange, but it' s actually very real. That we don'
t need to go everywhere outside always all together, as if we were months
ago not many times the couple' s environment without realizing it. Julio works
to create dependency, and that is not a fluid relationship or stimulates deep communication.
Dependence is dependence, but it is a solid and deep and mature relationship,
because at the bottom of that relationship what is hidden, which is the
fear of the loneliness of either spouse or perhaps both. It is not a
matter of generating dependencies in the whole case. What it is about is to
generate a relationship that is based on love, and love is based on a
solid decision that we renew every day. This aspect is a very, very
common key. I come to my memory couples that I know with this syndrome
that well, no doubt, because they love each other and so I do
not doubt the contrary, but it is a key somewhat novel and in your
clinical experience, because it helps us, implements us, because that idea of
necessary dependence. Let' s not say not make it easier for us to
fulfill diverse roles to develop our vital spaces and then converge in moments that are
unrenunciable together, but to learn that non- dependence, that is an act
of maturity. I consider it that way. It is yes, yes,
it is, indeed Julio is a quote. In some cases, if that
were to happen, this dependence generated would lead to extremes. We' re
talking about fifty or sixty years ago. There was still a brutal, very
strong dependence of the female figure on the male one. There was the classic
figure of the lady who couldn' t do anything if she didn' t
go with her husband wherever she went and didn' t do anything if her
husband didn' t accompany her. Then this even came to protect itself even
legally created a legal environment around that situation that was not yet favored anymore.
But that really is a very, very destructive thing. It' s not
a couple' s life. In me it is a relationship of truth,
of deep love. It' s dependency. Yes, yes, gentlemen,
it is a subject, a very important detail. We live in an increasingly
complex society in which we are each given a series of roles as we walk
the path of our development from childhood to maturity and another of the obstacles in
communication. It' s not a bad management of those personal roles. Well,
I don' t know, no or yes and Daniel, yeah,
yeah. It' s certainly a bad management. Personal roles are sort of
scripts. We are in a society that is becoming more and more complex.
So personal mistakes are a kind of script that everyone has to be socially accepted,
which defines what is expected of us in different contexts. Thus, for
example, there is the role of the professional of whatever, the role of
father mother in the family context, the role of husband and wife of the
protext of couple, he of son or daughter, the role of student,
that of citizen of the great city or of a great nurbe, that of
partner or co- worker, the disoptence of a social entity. All these
are different roles, each with its own characteristics. Often the exercise of those
roles, of those multiple roles in the same person, because we all have
many ones. Gold is difficult to know how to alter properly, because there
are more and more and each one must be treated and managed in its context
and can be a source of conflicts in communicative exchanges, when, for example,
the Chief or Director General or the cape cannot continue to be at home,
since this forces in a wrong way to understand the relational dimension of the
interaction that the other, our spouse, has forced himself to reject. Logically,
of course, I can' t without realizing it. I have to
change the chip in a way when I get home. I can' t
start treating my spouse like I' m the boss and my co- coup
is the subordinate, the employee. I' m putting up a case,
maybe a little overstated, a little extreme, but that doesn' t get
it. It may not fully play the wrong role, that sometimes happens,
but if some of the characteristics of that role are inadequate, for example,
raise your voice to any contradiction or expect immediate and unconditional obedience, without prior
argumentation, without dialogue, etcetera, etcetera. Okay That' s the result
of playing some hierarchical role that' s out of place. On the other
hand, because of the pressure exerted by our society, which is very competitive
and focused on material and professional achievements, many roles compete with each other,
claiming within the same person, demanding the exclusive attention of the person and his
or her time, and what they do is impose a kind of tyranny on
the person' s agenda. The problem is that there are many roles whose
exercise leaves out our family and partner relationships and with them our deepest emotional needs.
For example, one of the classics is to be so involved in the
exercise of the professional role, for example, that it ends up invading the
family spaces. That' s a classic, but a reality. We will
all meet people, even some of us will have seen each other at some
point in the situation that our work or professional role is over. We have
turned without realizing it in such a way that it has ended, going to
the detriment of our time of relationship and our time of quality, of family
relationship and of couple. When we are communicating Daniel, the way we are
also addressing each other conveys the way we see each other and many times there
is a profound discrepancy in that way of seeing each other, that is,
you disagree in the way I see you and that is not resolved. Communication
will be almost impossible. That' s how this analysis is. Yes,
indeed, July. Disagreement in the sharing of papers during the communicative exchange is
a vital aspect that can greatly hinder communication. And I don' t necessarily
mean that we' re saying something unpleasant. We' re saying something nasty
to each other. We often confuse an interaction in the couple that must be
symmetrical, as we said before, that is, between two equals, with
a complementary and unequal interaction in which one of the two concerns a position superior
to the other, as if it were an interaction between father, son or
adult and child. Between me I' m fine and you' re wrong.
I' m perfectly fine and your bad. I' m the boss
and I' m the junior, etcetera, etcetera. Of course, if
you agree on the role I assign to you and on which I assign myself
in our communication, there will be no problem. You' ll make it
tight for both of us. We' ll act in line with our roles.
But if we disagree or if I disagree or disagree you, in my
definition of you or me or both, communication will not be constructive. You
will feel uncomfortable if I insist on the initial distribution of errors and do not
really put stubborn in that aspect, then what will happen, that a situation
of controversy will begin whose end depends on what depends, because on our usual
way of reacting to a situation of contrariety. We already know, if we
have commented on some previous program, that there are people that we call cat,
there are people that we call armadillo or hare people, that is,
people that what they do is confront and generate a situation of confrontation siderass cat
armadillos, those that close in band and suspend all communication and the hare,
which is the one that flees, simply slips away from the situation. But
that' s the way to end the interaction. But it always happens because
there is a discrepancy in the way we ration in the roles we give ourselves.
You give me a role, but I don' t agree with that
mistake you give me ok. That will depend on how the situation ends.
It will depend on the usual pattern with which we each have to face up
to the contrariety. However, if we do not manage to dialogue and rethink
these discordant visions in our communication, in that communication of each one, the
communication, in the end will be interrupted and leave a conflict without closing caramba.
Another obstacle also Daniel, are the agendas that are often determined from places
outside the couple or to family life, and then follow priorities alien to our
Conyugal relationship. True, that' s Julia, a problem that' s
getting more and more widespread. Unfortunately, and at least that' s what
I see. That is my experience and that affects quality communication in the field
of the couple. It is that the family agenda is often determined from outside
the family nucleus, depending on whether, depending on priorities and interests other than
the family or the couple, for example, interests of type as we have
said, work of one or both of the members, or sometimes the interests
and relational needs of the couple are sacrificed for priorities and interests not only of
type of work, but of social groups that provide entertainment or that provide some
kind of social approval That is also very significant with which either or perhaps both
of the spouses feel satisfied and gratified. So, many times the agenda of
that institution of this group, of this relationship group, that gives me so
much approval or I feel so gratified and tested ends up sending or ruling over
the national agenda in our family partner environment. However, this kind of gratification
that we always get is short- term, it never lasts forever and it
is necessary to face that need of promotion that we have so powerful, that
it is so powerful as to overcome the needs of the family relationship. That
is what would help us to ask ourselves the question why the agenda or my
agenda, is determined by the contact and activities, etc of this group and
because it goes above the needs of family and partner cities. What am I
looking for, why do I need approval in such a substantial way? What
' s going on inside me, I don' t need this way.
Yes, it is clear how many things, things, but the limited knowledge
of or, the deficient interpretation of what makes us different is also an obstacle
in our true communication, as this is many times in the encounters and talks
that we talk about the differences in the relationships of couples, many times that
was emphasized and I would like to emphasize that the obstacle is not the differences
Julio, but the way in which we interpret them. This is the key,
the problem, not that we are different, but in how I interpret
differences. If there is a scenario in which differences are evident, it is
in couple relationships. In this context its influence is widely exercised all the traits
and characteristics that make us different. And although, of course, there is
no time to expand on the detailed analysis of those differences, I would at
least like to mention the three major areas differences in the environment, in the
couple. The first is gender differences. Although today it is very fashionable not
to emphasize gender differences and all philosophy, etcetera, etcetera. We cannot stop
at dealing with whether the origin of these differences is rather genetic, cultural or
the result of both interacting. But what is clear is that communication exchanges in
the couple clearly show different trends and interpret the same reality and are linked to
gender. It has been shown in various experiments that men and women use their
brains' resources differently to process the same reality. This is unquestionable. It
is a demonstrable reality and the fact has already been demonstrated The second source of
differences. What individual differences in our personality, The traits of our personality,
place each of us in a different place from which we interpret the communicative sites.
So, for example, what for an extrovert, for example, is
a clear message, for an introvert is a threat. It is like seeing
it the monument is so well known from acosomegra the family from different angles.
We need to learn not to disqualify the façade that each one has described from
his angle and communicating his own. And so we build a kind of model
in three dimensions of what concerns us to bequeath to a constructive agreement with the
vision. Only in one dimension can we not lose ourselves in a battle for
dominance from one' s own angle, which will only have negative consequences.
That' s what we say so many times that you can' t watch
a single- camera movie. It' s impossible. You end up really
dizzy and you miss a big substantial part of reality. Each, in his
personality, has his own camera with which he registers and processes reality at the
same time. What needs to be taken into account is that there are both
cameras and that this difference is what enriches us forgiveness and finally, the differences
in our baggage of experiences and our learning of experiences, which this learning has
generated in each of the members of the couple, scripts or patterns of behavior
and ways of dealing with the life learned from childhood with the models of relationship
of our earlier family environment. So what is said is that we never marry
only our spouse in whom we are, with our spouse and with their parents,
to say the least, or with their closest parenting environment, so what
for one can be a lawful communicative resource. For example, there are families
that do not have any hostility and aggression, because when they speak, they
will be in a higher circle and like a little more passionate and, on
the other hand, others that do not. And what for one is a
completely natural olive tone, for another can be a tone, well, unpleasant,
difficult, complicated, offensive, etcetera. That is to say, for
one thing a lawful communicative resource can be absolutely inadmissible for another. And why,
then, because perhaps it resembles some negative experience that either one of you
has experienced in his childhood in essence odole, you can activate a pattern of
behavior that puts him on the defensive ho even puts him a little aggressive.
Then it is a very, very extensive topic, that of the differences in
our baggage of experiences and that is usually little or little talked about. But
on the other hand, I believe in July, unless in my experience,
that it is one of the areas that cause the most couple parrasin conflicts.
So many things to learn. One of the problems that also affects communication between
couples, Daniel is the inadequate way to communicate our needs. Many times we
face the communication of what we need from a wrong angle. I believe it
' s true, the effect. The more intimate the bond that unites two
people and the longer it lasts in time, the more essential it becomes,
the more impresisting it is made the communication of our needs between us, that
is, if I am a person with whom I live only once a week
and I see it more appetizing, there will hardly be need to communicate our
needs to us at an intimate and deep level, but the relationship of couple,
of course, is not so. The problem is that we often pass
on to our partner what we need in demand or recrimination mode. I mean,
we give our partner instructions on what he should have done or what he
should have done. And we must not forget that recrimination has no power to
motivate positive changes from the other. Unless I don' t know anyone who
recrimination has motivated him to change. On the contrary, it has motivated him
to become more involved in his vision. Rather, what often causes the person
to raise his or her defenses because he or she feels questioned or questioned or
exposed. So, if what I want is for my partner to become aware
of something that I need and I know that this thing that I need is
reasonable and it' s about adding or caring for it. This means I
need to get out of it or the best. Or I aspire to get
the best out of my partner. And that will never happen if you feel
recriminated at the moment of conveying a need to my partner since you remember not
to leave the ascia clothes in the back of the room or on the bed,
to make more consensual decisions about our family agenda or about the education of
children or visits. The best thing I can do is to communicate to him
in a request tone and talking to him about me I need this and this
and this and this instead of telling him you shouldn' t or do you
have to give instructions? You, what you have to do is that'
s give instructions? But this is not communicating needs. But many times we
also omit the most important information and the most powerful, I think, to
produce positive changes, which is that once I have passed on to my partner
what I need from her. For example, I need you to pick up
the dirty clothes in the text where we can convey how we feel when you
throw them on the bed, that information about how I feel when you do
such a thing. It is vital to make her happy, but to give
her that yes, it is important, significant. And what would be the
wrong way to do it, Daniel, because the wrong way would always be
to throw dirty clothes in my bed I don' t know how to tell
you to put them in the basket? It means that we are already a
little on the edge, we have already loaded the piles of discomfort and then
a whole snout of data comes out there without any time. So, I
mean, you always throw your clothes at me, suck the bed, and
I don' t know how to tell you to put it in the basket?
It' s not the best way. Why, then, because this
will automatically awaken the defensive sense in our spouse, because he will feel threatened
or threatened, or questioned or questioned. However, the correct request mode,
I think, in my view, would be I need you to put the
dirty clothes in the bucket, because every time you leave it lying on the
bed, I feel that you despise the work I do and I think that
my effort, having to pick it up, is worth nothing. I know
it' s more words, I know you need to talk, but if
that guarantees you that the person, instead of turning his back on us,
is going to stand up. It' s not better to use it much
better, I mean, we talk about me I need because I feel that
way instead of you you should and because of you and I are absolutely different.
It is a completely opposite method to communicate to my partner how I feel
is to give you valuable information, which will help you and motivate you to
remember my request, since if our relationship is a healthy relationship, neither one
of you is going to dedicate to consciously doing something that you know will be
wrong to each other. Hence it is so vital to communicate how I feel
when you do this other thing, because in many cases the spouses, our
spouses, what they do is to ignore those states of mind that dislodge within
us before certain behaviors of them. If they do not know them, because
they will hardly be able to change them, they will hardly know where the
point of bravery is and with which they have to move. On the other
hand, communicating needs and emotions is a very, very effective July way to
consolidate and deepen our communication as a couple. Okay, okay. Finally,
already, Daniel, there are some practical ideas that contribute or can contribute to
favoring or enriching our communication that is so necessary. I think that always and
in some cases much more so. So, yes, Julio, there are
a lot of interesting and very positive ideas, but first of all, what
we know first is that effective communication is based mainly on knowing how to listen
to the other, an exchange that then is said so many times that we
have two ears and one mouth, because we have to listen more than talk,
because it is exactly that principle. A communicative exchange is based above all
much more on listening to oneself than on speaking. The ability if we develop
the ability to know, listen and not just listen directly. You' ve
been listening between the lines what our partner is telling us. If you are
trying to communicate with us, we are ensuring that there is an effective and
healthy level of communication. And one of the things that for a short time,
for example, our listeners is that they investigate the rules for active listening,
only that they don' t also set you rules for active listening.
There is a lot of information about that available and they are risks in very
simple principles, but if we respect them, we realize that they are very
effective and work at least. Another idea is that, like living once a
year, let' s do a compilation of questions like what I' ve
helped you in or felt supported or supported by me, how you' ve
felt alone that' s the guide for the next year or semester. For
example, let' s use that as a relationship behavior guide. Another important
thing is never began a discussion without two clear things, First, willing to
finish it and, second, for the purpose of bequeathing to a beneficial conclusion
or to an agreement or to a covenant. If it' s not better,
don' t start it. Yeah, sure, I know that'
s pretty strong, but I assure you it works. Julio is a reality.
You never start a discussion if you' re not willing to finish it,
close it properly and for the purpose of bequeathing to a beneficial conclusion or
mutual agreement. The important, important And finally, write down why you warn.
One of the things I advise you to do is to remember inside so
much, why we admire in this couple and write it and exchange it that
we have and we see each other and we dare to be better at recognizing
the achievements of zeal to the other. Many times, when we talk about
improving the communication of partner reactions, emphasis is always placed on what is done
in different ways. We have to change, but there are many things we
do well. What it would be about is being able to communicate that to
our partner, you are doing fantastically well and I thank you for doing so
and, please, keep doing so. Don' t leave him. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. When we say that, when we express mutual admiration,
we are feeding very very, very effective and high quality communication. Dear
friend Daniel, Thank you so much again, what an important and interesting subject.
And so thank you very much. And for a pleasure and a privilege
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