All right, we're back. So I was gonna split these up into topics,
which I kind of will, but let's just do the quick, just
put all these moral things together. Russo's they came up from Hollywood Report today,
so it's pretty much a done deal. I think we're gonna do.
I don't think we are doing a Common Com Predictions episode next week. I
think the reason this is coming out now is because I feel like you're gonna
get some news like it's the timing is suspicious, you know. Uh.
But in Hollywood Reporter, so s tre Scooper, they said that the Russ
brothers are in talks for Avengers five and six. No dug articles like it's
gonna wrap up the song out. Yeah, the writers are supposedly supposed to
come back. That came in later on Deadpool or dead Fuck. But Deadline
did a different report earlier or later saying some more information and Marcus mcpheeley they
wrote all the movies that they did with them, so there is either there
coming back or there's like at least one of them coming back. So you're
getting some of those writers and right now, Avengers five is currently gonna be
a new story, new title, and they're not if there's any worry about
it before. Sounds like they are not doing the King thing right now.
And then we also got traders for Captain America and Agatha Dylan. I'll leave
with you, what are your thoughts on this MCU stuff we got this week.
Yeah, the Russo Brothers stuff, it shouldn't be surprising, but it
was surprising for me. You know, it sounded like they were ready to
go do their own thing after the MCU. But it's like, yeah,
many many years have passed now since they did that, and their careers kind
of in between, there haven't really, I guess, blown up on their
own. I mean, they're making these movies, but it seems like the
mc was like clearly a good fit for them. So I don't know.
It's two things. It's like, Okay, I like all the movies that
they did with the MCU, so I'm excited for this, but I also
think I was excited for something kind of new and different, just to get
a little bit of different flavor, a different vibe. But you know,
when it comes down to it, like these guys are the masters of taking
all these different movies, different characters, different vibes, for all these different
things and making them cohesive and work together visually and and you know, dramatically
and comedically all this stuff. So it makes a lot of sense. And
I think for MCU, where they've been throwing a couple of wild cards mainly
because they're taking so freaking long to make these things. That things change,
things happen, Movies come out, some other movies don't come out, Things
get canceled, change, people get canceled. All this stuff happens that,
like you know it, why not just go back to something like old reliable.
I just go back to what's worked for them many times in the past
financially and making movies that people are in love with that are their favorite across
all this this whole property. So I think it makes a lot of sense.
And I don't know, I just want these movies to get like back
on track at this point, and honestly, these seem like the best picks
to put things back on track. So yeah, I guess that makes a
lot of sense. And then based two on just all we've heard of,
MCU is slowing down in terms of the amount of projects they are putting.
Now, I think all of this kind of just makes sense, so cool,
I'm here for it works for me. And then yeah, for the
trailers. Weirdly, both of these trailers, Captain America and Agatha really did
not feel like MCU things to me. Obviously, I'm seeing a couple of
characters that I've you know, seen in other projects of course, so that
that part of it makes sense, But they just didn't feel very EMPCU like,
which is a good thing to some extent, as I'm just saying there,
it's nice to have different tones and vibes for these things, but also
it, I don't know, it didn't really get me. It didn't get
my MCU whistle blowing if that makes I don't know where that if that analogy
makes that any sense whatsoever. But it didn't. Yeah, it didn't get
me hyped for the next phase or next things necessarily. I think Agatha looks
like, I don't know, it's you know, they were doing this jokey
thing where they were changing the title a whole bunch of times, and it
seems like the gimmick of this show is gonna be that each episode is like
just a different horror trope, and like that's what each episode is gonna be
and then there's gonna be some through line that kind of connects it all.
So I don't know, I guess to me, it just seems like it's
gonna be a bit too like surface level, and I don't know. It
could be fun, but I think it'll be like overally, like one episode
and then really kind of not care much for the next one. Then at
the end of the day it'll just be a little too short and shallow for
me to really love it. And I'm like, oh yeah, two years
later we'll be like, oh, remember Agatha, Remember when that was a
show that happened, and then that character was in No Projects ever again.
I think that's kind of the vibe we're gonna get there, But I don't
know. Some of it did look a bit darker, you know, MCU
darker, So it's like a little bit darker and I'm into that. And
Aubrey Plaza is Aubrey Plaza, so it seems like she's a big part of
this, which is cool, so I'm into that. And then Cap,
I don't know, I think you know, they did this call it called
this a teaser. It was still like two minutes long, but it is
still a teaser. I don't know. I guess that the like everything we've
heard from this movie, other characters that might be showing up, like those
are the things that maybe more excite me than what I actually saw here,
and that's never a good thing. Like even you know, we talked about
for so long there what potential cameos could be in Deadpool. We did the
same thing in Multiverse Madness at the end of the day, like there wasn't
a ton of Multiverse and with Deadpool, like they're probably gonna keep it kind
of constrained too, and that's like that doesn't make a good movie, Like
you gotta have a good movie at its foundation, and then the cameos just
kind of add fun scenes and like fan service on the side of it.
Right, So I don't know what this movie is gonna be. I think
Harrison Ford actually seems really really good in this and really intriguing. And I
mean, I love Sam, I love the journey we've gone on with him.
He's not my top ten character for me or anything in the MCU,
but I think he's set up in a good spot for But I guess I
just got to see a little bit more because this didn't really move the need
much for me, So I don't know. I'm sure that will change when
I get another couple of trailers in there, or when we're closer to it
and we're here more about actual like maybe more solid rumors, like things getting
confirmed. But for right now, my hype level on these projects is pretty
low overall, mister Patzer, Mister Patzer, I'm pretty aligned with Dylan's your
button, my butt it uh, I'm pretty aligned with Dylan with my butt
on the trailers, at least I with the Agatha one. There was things
in here that I liked, especially that I'm going with Parks right now.
Like Aubrey Plaza. Yeah, she's just so fantastic, so I'm excited to
see her in this and like the dark moments of that chick's getting like possessed
or something like, It's like, I think it'll be a fun watch.
I think this is a bad trailer though, Like I didn't like the start
of it. I I really just didn't like the trailer overall. But like
I feel like if I just saw like screen captures or maybe or maybe maybe
like a little little snippet of like Aubrey Plaza dropping like a nice one liner
I would have liked it more so. I think it was a maul.
I don't know what I was trying to say now malnourished. Yeah, they
needed some electrolytes or something there. It looked a little parched. And then
with Captain America again like I'm I'm definitely aligned with Dylan again. I liked
Harrison Forden here. I was I was curious how I was gonna feel about
him in this role, but no, I think it looks good and it
was a better trailer than the Agatha one for me, but it didn't do
too much to increase my hype level. It might rise closer to I'm definitely
excited to see Sam on this journey and I I love this big weight that
he has, especially the line like my Name where he's just like you might
be Captain America, but you're not Steve Rogers. Like, I'm excited to
see how Sam kind of deals with that weight that he's been feeling since Captain
My gosh, what was it called Winter Soldier? And yeah, hands in
the air, like you just don't care. I did like that line because
don't you feel like we dealt with that in the show That was I think
it's I think it's just like a never ending weight though that he's going to
be feeling because I just don't have need every time for them to be like,
well, you know, I don't need dead put a look over him
and secorts like you know, but they got to have that line in the
next movie though, you know, like they did in a TV show,
but they got to be movie. I think I would be totally acceptable if
like, after this movie, we can we can move away from that.
It's just like how many people saw the show, Miss Marvel, just like
you're not Steve Rogers and Avengers when they meet him, Well, you know,
America, we're Steve. Isn't that bench over there? Wings on?
Yeah, listen my butt next to Steve. What's up, Steve? Get
that butt over here. I guess you're right. It's just was It's just
I was like, like, I I hope it's touched upon, but I
hope it's not the storyline of him having to feel like he's Captain America again.
You know you got John Walker. You're not wrong with your with your
thoughts there, Travis. I think I think it's like really like the line
delivery that sold me on it. There and also like in the show,
it was him donning the shield and like actually becoming that character. And now
it's like this is gonna be solidifying that, like holy like this is Captain
America. It's not Steve Rogers, but like Steve Rodgers was never what this
Captain America could potentially be. Right, So I'm I'm hoping that is a
big driving force of the film. And uh was the Russo's Yeah, it's
it's funny. I feel like it's something that just makes sense. You know,
I dropped the meme. It's like you can live with your own failure.
Where did that bring you back to me? For both of them,
for both of them, and it's just like yeah, no, I'm I'm
totally okay with this. I didn't really like anything that I've seen that they've
done other than Avengers, and you know, like like they definitely have to
scramble the pieces to like get this Avengers film with everything that was going on
behind the scenes. So I like the idea of just no, we're benching
that character for now and we're we're just gonna We're gonna bring in something that
they know has worked in the past, and if it's not broken, don't
fix it, and you know, like Infinny War Endgame, amazing movies.
But it also wasn't just the Russo's right, like there is so many factors
and clearly all those factors were able to give us what we got and we
well on that machine. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, they're good
at And then maybe that's where it showed that maybe they need that machine to
help us on their projects. You know, they can't guide that machine,
but they can't maybe build it. I don't know, so like me reading
this, and I'm sure like a lot of general audience members even if they
don't know, like a lot of directors, it's just like, oh,
same guys that did Infinity War Endgame, for like the director, Yeah,
that's gonna be nice to see on a poster, right, So yeah,
I like to hear that. Now it's like, Okay, we actually have
a team. I guess it's a rumor still, but you said it's done
deal yeah unless something falls apart money wise. But I think that's what fell
up out before probably was they probably are coming off Endgame being like hot shit,
being like we want to do all this and we should get this,
and Marle's like eh, we can find someone else like you guys to do
this, and maybe they also found hey, we've had a couple of duds,
or maybe it is not as easy as we thought to find directors that
are just like they're not find the James Guns or the Russos or the who
else would be out there, like even payn Reto like a smaller extent,
but like I feel like they had a good record of finding smaller tier directors
and then boosting them up. They try this go around and that's not happening,
Like they're getting you know, like whatever you think about Turtles doing.
It's like they get Chloe Jao and that's like oscaring director. But for the
audience it's mixed, you know, Sam Raimi even lost people go ahh,
I don't like that style and them to you it's too sam raimy. So
it's like Russo's. I feel like they're just good at making whatever the car
it sounds bad, but whatever the blueprint is of a Marvel movie of like
the Phase one to three, it's like these are the guys that do the
blueprint the best, you know. So I'll go because I'm already talking.
Yeah, I I'm not shocked, but I'm not. I did not have
this on the Bengal card right now, just because we had heard so many
times even the Russos say like, oh yeah, we've talked about and it
just doesn't look like it's happening. I do think that's what it was where
I think MC was probably pretty high on themselves and Russells were pretty high in
themselves, and they've both had a couple of defeats because yeah, Netflix or
sorry. They did that grave Man movie Netflix that was meh. They did
that Cherry movie Tom Holme that was meh. And they had that Amazon show
that was super expensive get canceled after one season. So they've not been like
doing a bunch of hits. So I felt like maybe that's what they felt
like, Oh we can go show them and really they didn't. And same
thing MC would be like, oh we can do this, we can find
our next Russos, and they didn't. We went through the Sung Chi director.
In the Deadline report. They also did say though that Sean Levy was
offered the gig first, but he turned it down to go do a Star
Wars movie. I really hope that fucking Star Wars movie happens, because as
I'm watching Game of Thrones, like, that's one of the rumors of why
that season was rushed because they wanted to go off and do Star Wars,
and then that movie never happened. And that's where it's like, in five
years, I hope for his sake it happened, so he's not sitting here
and be like, man, I could direct one of these Avengers movies,
but I was developing a Star Wars movie that just got kicked the can.
Kaffe Kennedy that week was like, eh, I don't want this movie.
Did put Wolverene, you know, didn't it not happen? Because Game of
Thrones fucking sucked and they're like, we don't trust you with Star Wars.
They always do that. The second that happened Brian Johnson's trilogy Thor, Love
and Thunder. The second they announced somebody Patty Jenkins with one Room and two
remember that came out. Then all of a sudden, Patty Jenkins's not doing
the cry. Second, Yeah, they picked someone that's hot, and then
the second they're not like fucking white, steaming hot, Like, eh,
I don't know, I don't think you should make Star Wars, and it's
like, yeah, but look at what you're fucking making right now. So
that's a whole other podcasting jacolate, jaculate. Yeah, so with Sean Levy,
that's interesting. I'm gonna see how that fares out. But Russo's to
me, I think this is the smart choice, and that's what they're doing
right now. They had a year where ant Man underperform the Marvel's Bomb,
they had their worst and so you run, they have multiple shows that have
sucked and been critically panned, like, there are gonna be playing the same
way ball Biker, whether you're like or not. When he's like, yeah,
we're gonna be tacking more established characters, that is a backwards way of
him saying, like, not as much diversity, but like, as a
company, that's what they're gonna lean to because they're just gonna go with what
makes money. And on paper, the guys that directed two successful cat movies
and the you know, Infinity War and the second biggest movie of all time,
Yeah, we should work it out and bring them back. I hope,
I really hope this has a better result. The only native I have
is this was the same reaction many people, including myself had when they brought
JJ back for episode nine and that didn't pan out, And that's what I'm
gonna be very curious. If we get to Avengers five and it doesn't pan
out, then it's kind of like, well, you're had answers. Russo's
well, kind of like the break glass, like a it's an easy pick
fans level, let's bring them back. They'll do Avengers. They've always said
for years they wanted you secret wars. Let's get them. And if these
suck or disappoint, then it's like, you know, that's really good.
The Kirkle made the joke about FIVEY stepping down, but that's really the point
of like I would start to worry they might look at FI go you know,
what, might be time for someone else to take this ring. But
at the same time they're keeping Kathy in there and who knows. But so
I'm excited to see what Avengers five is. I am still really hoping it's
something like Masters of Evil. I know there's been some scuttle of what about
Avengers versus X Men. I don't know how I feel about that, but
anything just to get our team established before we start doing some multiverse Avengers.
So yeah, I'm overall, I'm excited. I'm happy with the choice.
I can't be disappointed with it. And then Agatha I talked about me and
Chris broke the whole thing of Marvel lince last week's well get My in Death
thoughts. I liked the trailer, but I said before and there and the
discord, I worry that the show is not like that trailer. It's not
gonna be as dark and spooky and serious as that. I think they're just
taking footage and doing a good trailer because they c this was the show,
this Iron Hearts, and there's a couple others was made that Chapick era where
it's like content content content, So all these shows I always worry about,
and I feel like they know that. Marvel Disney his TV shows been like
kind of on the backstep of people being excited for them. So I feel
like they're trying to be, oh, it's darker, more adult, but
I feel like it's gonna be really kooky and really funny and over the top.
And not saying that's bad, but that's not the Marvel I love.
I love it in a certain times, like a dead Pool or even she
Hal but with this, I don't really need Agatha, so we'll see and
then cap. I think this was like just a fine It's not a bad
chair. It's a good announcement tray. It's a good trailer that they want
a friend dead Pool and Wolverine to let people know, Hey, the next
time Marvels and Cinemas, it's this February. I think, excuse me trailer
too. I think they really need to hit me with a why do I
need to see this? Other than I like, you know, Sam,
I like the MCU, I like Harrison Ford. What's the actual story hook
here? And then they did some stuff here. I like that. I
guess Isaiah Bradley's gonna be like a Winter Soldier thing again where they've mine wiped
him. And very crazy timing that this trailer dropped the day before what happened
in the States, and there's like a present assassination in the trailer. It's
like, yeah, that was pretty insane. And it is a thing where
it's like with it being semi close to elections, like I wonder if this
movie's gonna stay in February if anything like happens, you know, it's like
or they might use that of like risky marketing, but so it was fine.
It's a good announcement. Stre I think they were smart to end it
with Red Hulk. But that always makes me laugh when they talk about how
they're trying to get it back to the Captain America roots and it's gonna be
like Winter Soldier. It's gonna be an espionage, like more serious spy thriller.
But yeah, in the trail of Red Hulk, and I feel like
those two things, and the leaders in this movie, I just don't think
those two things go together. I get it, there's High draw, there's
Winter Soldier, but I feel like they try to keep those grounded. I
don't know how grounded you can keep the Red Hulk. So I feel like
they're saying a lot of stuff. Also funny that John Carlow has just been
reshooting the scenes now, but they made sure he was in this fucking trailer,
So I feel like they're trying to make people as excited as possible.
And to me, if this movie is like a seven out of ten,
to me, that's a win with how much reshoots it's had. But I
think they are gonna be more careful with these movies because they don't want to
poison the water hole anymore. So, mister Field, I think bringing the
Russo's back is I mean, have veterans come back into the game here,
and you love the old Guard. I love the Old Guard. I'm a
man after the Old Guard. Oh yeah, So I think that it's a
great idea. I really really do for them. The h you got that
experience, and you've got a whole roster of new characters that they can they
can examine, they can look at it, and they can just kind of
like piece together a story that works. And like you guys have already said,
they can choose who to bench, who not to bench, who'd bring
in. And I think that there's a big opportunity for them to tackle such
a thing like this. So I'm I'm all for it. I hope it
works out. I hope they get it. And then, of course there
is that downside where if it doesn't work out and they absolutely create a shit
movie, then that's a nail in their coffin, right, They're not getting
out of that hole. So it's funny to bring this up. Espos brought
up that there was originally a vaccine storyline in the TV show Frog win Soldier,
but they edited out because it was too close to COVID. So this
is like two products in a row for cap where he's very close to real
world stuff. Even though I think you could argue maybe that would be the
time to keep them because it's like it's Captain America. They didn't fucking keep
his suit though. I hate his new suit by the way, everybody I
say that, I hate that they ditched the white and blue one, and
it's just like it's just Steve Rodgers discount suit in my opinion. So oh,
it's a good thing. It's Taylor's turn, and that's when he decides
to talk to his wife. Eh, she just walked in on me.
Yeah. Posters the the other thing. I guess with getting Hagatha, it's
one of those characters that I'm not super hyped on. I think she was
fun in wand of it, but getting her own show never really like blew
my mind. So when I watched a trailer, there's a couple of things
that I am really excited for. Seeing the possession totally threw me to the
side, like, oh my god, this is terrifying. I've got like
Ash versus Evil Dead vibes watching this, and I really like that. But
then there's other things too, like little like dialogue moments and whatnot and character
stuff that I'm not really driving with. At the end of the day,
I'm excited to see how she's gonna kind of break free from this kind of
trance that wanted to put her in and to see where that's gonna go and
how this show is going to end and connect to the overall story. But
I'm not. I'm not super sold on it yet. I need to.
I need to wait a little bit. So it's working and jerking the other
the other project here Captain America, and now the other project I can see
him. Oh yeah, I'm k actually looks like to turn it in the
Hulk there, the Gamma radiotion, the the Captain America. Though, I'm
I'm interested to see how this is gonna go. And I totally forgot the
leader was in there, So I'm glad you mentioned that because that actually has
boosted now again because I know they announced it, but that boosted my my
apprehension on it because I just I just wasn't sure like it felt kind of
I don't know, very low key espionage, but We've seen that so many
times in the MCU with other movies, and I wasn't super excited for that,
but of course you got REREADHLG in here. That's really really cool.
I'm excited to see Harrison Ford in here too. And then we also have,
as you said, the Leader, So I'm really looking forward to seeing
what they're gonna do with all this other than the cat movies. You said,
there's lots of MC movies, Black Widow movies, espionage. I'd say
Our Men's three even felt like espionage, but like super villains, like what
do you call them? Not the real extremis? That's it. Yeah,
I'll give you that, all right. Fine, Finally, trailers don't need
to break all these down. We'll just break off anyone's you guys want to
talk about. So we got trailers this week for Ternaire zero as a Netflix
animated series that's happening August twenty ninth, Watchmen Chapter one. They're doing the
watch Them story in animation form. That just looks identical to What If in
my opinion, they're doing a chapter one. There'll be chapter two. Apple
has a movie called f one with Brad Pitt, and that's being directed by
Joseph Kok whatever his name is, Kazinski, it's not not there's John Kerzinski
and Joe it's the top Gun director. He has a name. It's very
similar to whatever John Kerzinski is. It's Joe Krazinsky or something. Nora,
which was a big independent film in the festival circuit that's coming out a twenty
four as we live in a Time and a Different Man and Gladder too,
and also, hang on a second, before we get to these trailers,
I forgot the Patreon questions because we've had a long thing here. Let me
just pull them up here. I don't know if we think they're all trailers
except for the one SPEC talk about. He said, not sure. If
the Russo, oh, we we talk about with Sean Levy, if Deadpool
hit a billion, would they sway to Levy? I think with that,
we'll see if they announce it. But I think I think if that Star
Wars news is true, and I think if he passed, and I don't
think so unless the Russes fall apart again, but I think I think leave
he's out of the woods for now. Maybe he could come back in the
future, though, you good for a team up movie, But I don't
think Avengers personally. Yeah, so I kind of hope it doesn't happen,
but I don't. I don't, I don't. I guess it was a
rumor. I totally missed that rumor, I think, but I don't.
I don't in my mind, I don't think that would happen. I don't
think. I guess. I don't think he's the the cog in the machine
that they need for an Avengers movie. Yeah, they've won him apparently a
bunch because apparently they went to one time and then scheduling conflicts gone the way,
and then things shifted so it looked like he was going to do the
end, but then the Star Wars thing was happening. So they've about two
times gone to me, like you want to do this? So I think
one day he will. Any director go work on a Star Wars now seems
such a risky thing to do. I agree with you. That's why I
think if his age, it's just that nostalgia of I could make fans of
Accolytes episodes. Yeah maybe, I think. I think with that forty to
sixty crowd, it is like and I'd have that nostage too, But it's
like it is that, like, well, if I could make a Star
Wars movie, it's always been, It's been in my mind since I was
eight years old, but doesn't fall apart, probably so you know,