WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:12.759 Love Talk Radio. Welcome to us a think Tank with your host Alejandro ro 2 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.959 Booty Boot, Betty Boop, Betty Boot, Betty boo boo boo boop. 3 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:34.680 Hello. The little intro that's from Kevin mccoud as a guy does some music 4 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.879 on the Internet that he allows people to use for free, good stuff. 5 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:46.480 Thank you, mister McCloud. Anyway, this is Alejandro Rojas with UFO Think 6 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:53.879 Tank and we're here for it yet another wonderful show show. We've got Franklin 7 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:59.159 Carter on the show tonight. This is a gentleman who was a Navy radar 8 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:05.439 technician in the day during the Cold War, watching our backs, looking out 9 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:13.479 for the Soviets to cross the New Line and get us. But thankfully Franklin 10 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:19.479 was there with his brand new radar technology to keep them at day. However, 11 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.919 when their brand new radar technology went online, they got some weird things 12 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:29.719 happening high above the sky. And he's going to tell us about those strange 13 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:36.240 things and back those strange things and him talking about them actually got him to 14 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.560 be one of the Disclosure Project witnesses. And I'm sure most of you are 15 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:46.400 familiar with the Disclosure Project. This was something put together by MD doctor Stephen 16 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:52.199 Greer back in two thousand where he brought a bunch of people to the Washington 17 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.520 Press Club And you can go to Disclosure project dot org and see a lot 18 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:02.080 of these videos and you can actually see any extended version of the interviews. 19 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:06.960 You'll see Franklin Carter and he was going to be there at the Washington Press 20 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.840 Club that he couldn't make it, so we'll talk about that, and we'll 21 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:15.000 also talk about some more personal experiences he had after that, and then going 22 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:21.080 beyond. He has been involved in this field for decades, ever since he 23 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.800 helped doctor Leo Sprinkle, who have had on the show before, with his 24 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:34.840 wyoming UFO conferences, and he also is now very interested in something that worked, 25 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.639 the Institute for the Study of Galactic Civilizations. It's something both of us 26 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:46.639 are a part of. And this is actually examining could extraterrestrials actually have or 27 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:52.919 be talking to human beings here on Earth as we speak or in the recent 28 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.360 past. We'll talk about that, you know, if they're flying around, 29 00:03:55.400 --> 00:04:00.120 if we're seeing some things flying around, and we got the military go I 30 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.840 was telling us they think there are extraterrestrials and people in the military think they're 31 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:10.159 extraterrestrials. Well maybe some of these actually talked to one of these pilots, 32 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:14.000 and actually many people say they have. So we'll talk more about that. 33 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:18.959 We'll talk about why Franklin believes that, and that some of his very interesting 34 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:26.399 concepts. Before that, however, as usual, we'll get into UFOs and 35 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.560 the news over the last week, and there has been quite a bit going 36 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.759 on as usual, So we got some great stuff. I know, last 37 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:41.120 weekend we were talking about the ex conference going on and how on Monday they 38 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.240 were going to have a press conference and Edgar Mitchell was going to address the 39 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:51.839 press and talk about his belief that extraterrestrials right here, and you know, 40 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.519 Roswell really happened, and he certainly did that, and he got some news 41 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:01.759 he got in. CNN did our big write up on that. I believe 42 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:06.800 the Washington posted to another one. But they did. They covered it very 43 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.519 well. They really didn't make fun. They were kind of like, wow, 44 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.879 you know, if this guy who walked on the moon says something that 45 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.160 is going on, should we think about this? And so there are some 46 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:20.120 great stories. So he did a good job speaking again, but this time, 47 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:26.040 like I said in front of the press in Washington, DCA. The 48 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.839 Washington Post was the other one. I have both of these links at UFO 49 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.480 think Tank. If you go to UFO thinktank dot com you'll be able to 50 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:39.160 see that in the UFO News you can join the email list. Also, 51 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:45.040 if you go to the you Yahoo news group on the blog top mainsite, 52 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.439 you'll be able to see this info as well. Also, you know, 53 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:56.319 we weren't doing a show last weekend because I was at the Starfest doing a 54 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.600 sci fi convention kind of like the Which Mountain movie, And that was a 55 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.319 lot of fun and hopefully we have some new listeners from that show, and 56 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.839 thank you guys for joining it. It's always wonderful because we get a lot 57 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.519 of people who have had their own sightings and experiences. Then we get a 58 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.160 lot of people to sign up for the email list. So got another fifty 59 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:23.240 sixty people, so that's always a lot of fun. More news, Texas 60 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:29.759 couple captures v shaped UFO on camera, so there's some video out there. 61 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:39.399 It's interesting. This comes from the UFO Examiner from examiner dot com. He 62 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:44.279 also has a video up there from a couple some people who shot what may 63 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.639 be a UFO in Maine. So there's some video out there. You can 64 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.480 check out some of your video experts. You can see what you see there. 65 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:57.079 Some people think they don't see anything special, some people say they do. 66 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.639 It's always difficult with videos because even if it is great, you know, 67 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.480 then you have all the people coming and saying, oh, it's fake, 68 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.759 and you have the people who say, I could have faked that if 69 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:11.879 I wanted to. Sure, you know you could have. But what we're 70 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.600 looking for are those things that could possibly be real, especially if you have 71 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:23.120 multiple witnesses. Also on examiner dot com, I am the Denver Paranormal Science 72 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.959 Examiner, and I, as I told you earlier, went on that cattle 73 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:33.439 mutilation investigation with my good buddy Chuck Zukowski out of Colorado Springs. But I 74 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:41.839 posted he got from Colorado State University, which is at one of the best 75 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:46.680 bed schools in the country. He was able to get them to look at 76 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.600 some of the samples of the high that we took from those animals, so 77 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:55.800 I have the results up there. Essentially, they don't know what happened, 78 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:01.879 and I think that's really cool. They're not saying it was scavengers are not, 79 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:09.839 but they the flesh itself, they say was taken after the animal was 80 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.879 dead. And the reason they come to that conclusion is because there wasn't bleeding 81 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:22.000 when these cuts were made. So what killed these animals. It's possible they 82 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:28.040 were poisoned because they certainly do not have any kigns of predator damage. There's 83 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.720 no blood around like it would usually have what a predator got to it. 84 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.919 They're just kind of dead. And if they were poisoned, you know by 85 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.840 whom and why. And there's no evidence of people being in the area either. 86 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:48.000 So if we were able to get those animals to a vet who could 87 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.519 do cropsy's when they kind of open and check everything out, we'd be able 88 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.399 to discover what happened there. But we haven't been able to do that. 89 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.440 Luckily, by forging these relationships. If something does happen in the future, 90 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.639 hopefully we'll be able to get the animals out there and figure that out. 91 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.440 But a lot of fun I'm gonna post a story real soon here too, 92 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:18.440 because the Humane Society also feels that foul play was a foot in these deaths, 93 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:24.559 and they've offered up a reward to find out who is hurting these animals. 94 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.639 So I'm gonna try to give them a call, see what they have 95 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.799 to say, and I'll put that together in a story on the examiner dot 96 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:41.240 com Paranormal Science Examiner. We talked about this last time Paranormal Science Examiner, 97 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.600 and hopefully you guys took your homework that I gave you to go out and 98 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.720 spread the word for me. Thank you very much for those of you who 99 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.519 did aol. Also, I believe as a result of these Edgar Mitchell stories 100 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:00.159 put up some polls as too, and I'm gonna click on this one to 101 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:05.759 to read you exactly. It was do you think extraterrestrial beings have visited Earth? 102 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:11.399 Well? As of the posting when I sent these out yesterday, seventy 103 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.440 three percent of the pollers said yes, and that was three hundred and twenty 104 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:22.399 four thousand people. No was seventeen percent, which made up about seventy four 105 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.720 thousand people. Undecided was ten percent at forty six thousand people. Very interesting 106 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.639 because you're talking over four hundred thousand people that clicked, you know, gave 107 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.799 their opinion on this. I told a lot of people, nearly half a 108 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:43.360 million people. The other question that they pulled people was do you think the 109 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.320 government is trying to cover up the existence of extraterrestrial life, which essentially is 110 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:54.240 what edgar Mitchell was telling people. Out of the people pulled yes, what 111 00:10:54.360 --> 00:11:00.840 was seventy six percent with three hundred and twenty six almost three hundred twenty seven 112 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:07.320 thousand voters there, Noah was fifteen percent at sixty five thousand people, and 113 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.440 undecided was at nine percent with thirty six thousand people. Of course, this 114 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:18.600 isn't a scientific poll where they go out and actually I'm in a statistics class 115 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:20.600 right now for that sort of thing, and you know, you go out 116 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.919 and get a random group of people and you choose very carefully and you do 117 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.559 all the statistics and stuff. They didn't do that. They just kind of 118 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:35.080 posted this on the website. So still I think some very interesting results. 119 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:41.519 More stories as a result of edgar Mitchell was one from the Telegraph, which 120 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:46.080 is a big paper out in the UK. And we've been talking about the 121 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.600 UK and their UFO stories for a year and they've got a lot going on, 122 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.919 of course, and this one was about our UFO reals. Is a 123 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.600 question famous people who believed and they list a bunch of famuss people in their 124 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.799 quotes regarding UFOs. They talked about Jimmy Carter, who had his own sighting 125 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:13.759 General Douglas MacArthur. He was general during the Korean War and the Second World 126 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.679 War. Of course he was the guy who you know, started up the 127 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:24.639 Communists which hunts back when. So not the most kind of an infamous type 128 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.559 of fella. But he had an interesting quote if you haven't heard this one, 129 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:33.639 the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of Earth must 130 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.200 someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets. The politics 131 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:46.679 of the future will be cosmic or interplanetary. Some interesting comments jay Edgert Hoover. 132 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:54.080 He talked about UFOs Monsignor Corrado Balducci, the guy who worked at the 133 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.480 Vatican. Unfortunately he passed away this year, but he was in charge of 134 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.679 demonology. He talked about extra trestials and saying, oh, yeah, they're 135 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.399 here. They're definitely around, and they're pretty much your space brothers. Stephen 136 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:13.399 Hawking actually has made a positive pro UFO comment in the past. He said, 137 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.120 of course it's possible that UFOs really do contain aliens, as many people 138 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.519 believe, and the government is hushing it up. Interesting because I've heard lots 139 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.200 of negative comments from him. Herban Ober is the Nazi rocket engineer. If 140 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:31.679 you've heard a project paper clip. We've brought a lot of Nazi scientists over 141 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.960 here to work on some of our stuff. And he says it's his thesis 142 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.720 that flying saucers are real and that they are spaceships from another solar system. 143 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:45.720 There's no doubt in my mind that these objects are into power planetary craft of 144 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:52.480 some sort, and I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate 145 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.960 in our solar system. I apologize I don't have a German accent that I 146 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.000 can use there. I'm not very good at that one, or I would 147 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:05.960 have. But the section where he says I am my colleagues are confident is 148 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:13.120 very interesting because of course that shows that he discussed this with some of his 149 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.679 colleagues, and of course he's a rocket scientist, so there were people talking 150 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.279 about it. Doctor jay Onen Heinik, We've talked about him a lot. 151 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:26.399 I'm a big fan of his. He's a hero. Helped Steven Spielberg with 152 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.320 the Close Encounter movies. Was in charge of Blue Book and debunking UFOs till 153 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.759 he saw enough evidence to convince him there is something going on. Finally, 154 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:41.159 someone from the UK Air Chief, Marshall Lord doubting he was a commander of 155 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.360 the RAF Fighter Command, talked about how he was convinced that these things aren't 156 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.799 created by anything on Earth. Ronald Reagan had his own sighting, and we've 157 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:58.639 got a quote from his sighting. Mikhail Gorbachev. He said, the phenomena 158 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.960 of UFOs does ex and it must be treated seriously. Richard Nixon said, 159 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.799 I'm not at liberty to discuss the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial UFOs at this time. 160 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.039 I am still personally being briefed on this subject. How interesting is that 161 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.879 quote, in fact that I don't know that I've heard that quote before. 162 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:26.399 And then finally Walter Ridell, who is another research director of Nazi rockets, 163 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:33.159 and he says he's completely convinced that UFOs had an out of world basis. 164 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:39.879 So a great story written by the Telegraph. Finally, Kabatstan is the first 165 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:46.519 country to build a UFO alien embassy, and how fitting that should be our 166 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.840 last story going into et contacts Like Franklin and I aren't going to talk about 167 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:56.360 in the minute. So they actually and this is from a Russian paper and 168 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:03.159 some kind of rumors going on, but I guess they're fairly substantiated that the 169 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.279 country of cosets On is creating an alien embassy. So they really seriously have 170 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.879 talked about how UFOs are coming here. You know, we're showing how we 171 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:18.000 are future forward thinkers. We're building this embassy so we can be ready to 172 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.200 greet them. They're going to have a landing pad there, and they're going 173 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.919 to have people who can translate and a bunch of other things that you would 174 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:29.039 find on an embassy. So they're kind of opening their doors to these guys 175 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:33.320 to say hello, come on in. So pretty cool. All right, 176 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:38.039 Well, there's our news for the week. Without much ado. Let's move 177 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:44.480 on, because I believe we do have our guests, mister Franklin Carter on 178 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.960 the line. Hello, are you there, Franklin? Yes, I am 179 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.399 Alejandro. Oh all right, wonderful. How are you doing? Oh I'm 180 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.279 doing great, And I'm honored to be on your show. It's a great 181 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.519 program and I'm just really honored to be a part of it tonight. Oh 182 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.039 well, great, thank you very much. I'm honored to have you. 183 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.480 So Franklin is a good buddy of mine, and let's get into it. 184 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.480 I do want to get into your history first, and we'll kind of move 185 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.559 through that to get into some of the staff. I know that we're both 186 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.079 interested in now. But this all started for you while you were in the 187 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:23.160 Navy. Yes, it started, and I went in the Navy in nineteen 188 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:30.000 fifty five and became a radar technician an ET. In fact, I've been 189 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:36.759 in ET since nineteen fifty six. That's the designation for an electronic technician in 190 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:41.480 the Navy is ET, and so I've been in long term ET. But 191 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:48.119 my job was to work on and repair and keep running the radar systems on 192 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.759 the ships. And when you go through a school and you come out and 193 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.680 graduate, then you get a pick in the Navy, or at least you 194 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.839 did back then. They give you a list of station that you can go 195 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.240 to, and one of those stations was a radar picket ship. Is the 196 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.759 way it was listed. And then I asked what it was and they said, 197 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:12.160 well, it's got for you. It's got the latest equipment that's owned 198 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:17.440 by the US government anywhere in the world. You've got the latest equipment on 199 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:21.640 that ship. So I chose that ship and wound up spending two years in 200 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:26.359 the North Atlantic bobbing around like a cork. And that was where I first 201 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:34.039 had an experience and didn't really pay much attention to it. I was in 202 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.440 charge of the radars, owned the ship, and we had three very large 203 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.119 systems and they were manned twenty four hours a day. We sat in a 204 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.160 little circle between Argencia and Newfouland and the Azore Islands. If you look at 205 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.160 a globe, that's kind of like a gateway coming into the US from Europe. 206 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.240 And we had four ships out there, about three hundred miles apart, 207 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:59.680 and we were always owned station and picking up and reporting everything that we had 208 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:04.559 RDI our contact with And one night I was called to fix the radar and 209 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.720 it was about one o'clock in the morning, and I went down and I 210 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.519 asked him, I said, what's wrong with it? And they said, 211 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:14.759 well, we're reporting contact flying thirty four hundred miles an hour. Now, 212 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:21.000 this would have been in early nineteen fifty seven, sometime in the part of 213 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.200 fifty seven, could have been the later part of the summer of fifty seven. 214 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:32.240 But so I went shut all the radar down, started back up, 215 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.640 went through all the safety checks and everything, and it was working fine. 216 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.240 So I went back and told him it's working fine. I said, how 217 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.519 did the contact just before that one do? And asaid, well, it 218 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.079 was a airliner and it was doing three four hundred miles an hour and perfectly 219 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.640 normal. And as what are they doing now? And as well, we've 220 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:52.279 got another airliner and says it's running perfectly normal. It's running three hundred and 221 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.279 something miles an hour, and we've reported it. Everything's on course and everything's 222 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:03.079 fine. But says that was it? Pardon? Was this the first radar 223 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.200 of this type? I mean, was this a brand new like you said, 224 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.160 tutting edge technology just turned on type of thing? Well, it was 225 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:18.640 had been updated. It was one of the early airborne radars that that you 226 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.920 use, and we had a very it was a very powerful radar, had 227 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:27.119 a long range and I don't know how far out the contact was. We 228 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:33.680 couldn't tell the altitude of it with that particular radar, and the one that 229 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:38.680 did determine altitude was not working at that time so and never did work very 230 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:44.039 well, so we didn't get an altitude on it. You get a course 231 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.119 in the speed. When we were doing this work, you have from the 232 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.240 first time you pick up a contact, and a radar contact, a radar 233 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.240 screen looks kind of like a TV screen, and you have a little circular 234 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:03.279 the antenna is rotating in about ten times a minute, and there's a line 235 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.279 that goes around that indicates where the radar antenna's pointing, and if it sees 236 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.599 a contact, you will get a big bright blip in this on that spot. 237 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.440 And so if it's a real solid radar contact, it'll be a very 238 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:23.559 solid blip and be a very big blip, be a quarter inch or more, 239 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.839 and you can tell that, you know, in six or seven sweeps 240 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.079 if it goes around it's there. Each time, you've got a solid contact. 241 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.839 And there are times with weather conditions where you can get ghosts. They 242 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.400 call them and they'll be there one time, and then they won't be there 243 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.480 again, and you may never see them again, and then they may show 244 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:48.079 up once again fifteen minutes or something. But this is a real contact and 245 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.359 it was running. You get a course and a speed from your plot, 246 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.799 and you have two minutes to report it to NORAD down in Cheyenne Mountain, 247 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.880 which they were just starting up and at this time they don't been in operation 248 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.920 a couple three years, and we reported to them by radio by Morse code. 249 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.119 They sent in all the information on those contacts, and that night I 250 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.400 asked the operations officer. I said, well, have you reported this contact? 251 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.240 And he says, Noah, haven't you just told me there's nothing wrong 252 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.680 with the radar. And he says, you know that if we report something 253 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:22.400 going thirty four hundred miles an hour, they're gonna tell us there's something wrong 254 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.079 with the radar, and of course you've got an hour to tell them what 255 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.359 it is. And he says, I don't want to go through all that 256 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:32.279 unless you do. I says I don't and he said, well, we're 257 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:37.279 not going to report it. We'll just let it go. And that happened 258 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.880 in fifty seven, and during the next six or seven months we had about 259 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:48.039 six more of those contacts. The very next one, about three or four 260 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.160 weeks later, I was actually on the plot board doing the plotting, and 261 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.759 they, sure enough, it came across and was thirty four hundred miles an 262 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:03.240 hour, and it was flying from east to where there was going right across 263 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.160 the topic. If we plotted it on out as to where it would have 264 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:10.559 went, and it went right across almost between Canada, the US and Canada 265 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:12.240 border. It would have come across when it hit land, it would have 266 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:18.039 been along that line and went out on the other side. So that was 267 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:25.720 how that was the start of my UFO experiences. And I really didn't pay 268 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.480 much attention to it. You would have to realize I was nineteen and we 269 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:33.079 weren't into UFOs, and I was thinking about, you know, I wanted 270 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.839 to get it. When you live in the North Atlantic and thirty or forty 271 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.359 foot waves are the constant, and so you're always bobbing around, and I 272 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.039 just, you know, just get me back to shore and let me get 273 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.160 out and find some good looking girls. You know. That was all I 274 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.839 was worried about at nineteen. Uh huh. Well about how many times then 275 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.240 during this period of time did you get those those hits? We got about 276 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:07.720 five or six times during that six month period. And a real interesting thing 277 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.759 took place about that same time. If we go back into the history, 278 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:17.880 the Russians had fishing trawlers, and that was what they were supposed to be. 279 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:23.839 We know that they were disguised aircraft I mean ships that had all kinds 280 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:29.759 of electronics equipment aboard them, but they were posing as fishing trawlers, and 281 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.720 so they would come around into our area. They would never get real close. 282 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:36.519 I never saw one, but we saw them on the radar and they 283 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.640 would come in within twenty five miles of us, just around the horizon, 284 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:48.680 and we began to get all kinds of radio interference with the frequencies. Of 285 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.240 course, the frequencies that we were assigned. Each time we went out, 286 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.200 we stayed out thirty days, and then we went in for ten days and 287 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:02.119 stayed out thirty days, and every thirty day trip, the captain was received 288 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:07.920 a crystal and a set of instructions, and that was our radio frequency that 289 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.359 were reported on. So nobody was supposed to know that. When we left 290 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.599 the port, we didn't know what the frequencies would be that we would be 291 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.920 reporting on. And here they are jamming. We were getting music, and 292 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.319 kind of like the Tokyo Rose thing. We were getting this lady with a 293 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.559 real funny accent and playing music and talking about how lonely it is in the 294 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.680 North Atlantic and all that kind of stuff. But it was on these frequencies 295 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.359 that nobody was supposed to know about. So this was all going on about 296 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:38.839 the same time, and so the Navy sent one of their they call it 297 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.960 the Criminal Investigation Division back then. I don't know what they call it today, 298 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.279 but it was one of their spooks, and they came and stayed on 299 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:52.119 the ship about it. Two of those trips, listening and taping the interference 300 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.400 and everything, and they also questioned us a little bit about what we had 301 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.880 the contact when they found out and of course there was rumored there were six 302 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:06.720 guys in the radar they called it Combat Information Center, and that was where 303 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:11.119 everything took place on a ship, and so that's where this guy hung out 304 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.319 because that's where the radios were and where the radars were, and of course 305 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.319 all of the people that were there's eighteen that were assigned, so each time 306 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.079 there's six on a shift, and we were running three shifts a day, 307 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.319 and so the rumors, you know, everybody lasts and talks about this. 308 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.119 So he asked about it, and I don't know where that was, why 309 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.680 he was there, or whether he just picked up as a peripheral thing, 310 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.880 but they did it about the same time. This CID guy came on and 311 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:41.240 stayed there for two trips with us, and then we never heard anything else 312 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.759 about it. Well, and then what did they do? Didn't they come 313 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:52.279 up with a solution tier problem? Well, this was interestingly enough. I 314 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.920 never thought any more about this for years. And then once I began to 315 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:03.519 get involved in the UFO and I went to some conferences, I heard another 316 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.680 person talk about a thirty four hundred mile an hour sighting at that same in 317 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:12.200 that same time period. And they had been in the Air Force and were 318 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:19.160 on the Alaskan dew Line, which was a permanent big radar system that was 319 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:25.759 on land in Alaska to detect, you know, the DAR the guided missiles 320 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.680 or planes or anything that would be coming out of Russia from the west. 321 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:36.599 And I did talk to the fella. I called him and spend about an 322 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.000 hour with him on the phone, and he said that what happened with them 323 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.519 is they had the depth finder. They could tell how far it was out 324 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:47.640 in space and everything, and they were picking up these contacts as much as 325 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.640 six hundred miles out in space. And he said that the Air Force reported 326 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:59.759 that and they sent the company that built the equipment came in. They put 327 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:07.680 cameras on the screens and made movies of the radar contacts that they were getting 328 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.480 for about a week. And then the next thing they did is they went 329 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.680 in and repaired the radar system so they could only see out about thirty five 330 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:21.680 or forty miles in the space. They fixed the problem where you no longer 331 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.039 reporting those contacts at six hundred miles in space. And he said that was 332 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.880 the fix they did. Was they fixed it. The ones that we had 333 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.160 on the ship. They never said anything as far as I know, I 334 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.960 was never talked to, never ask about it formerly. I never had a 335 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.559 hearing or anything like that. So he just let it go because we never 336 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.119 reported them in the six or seven times that we had them. They were 337 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.200 never reported. That's funny. And you never reported them because you just didn't 338 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.680 want any trouble, huh. That's right. It would have been something as 339 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.200 important as that. And I know that this was true because we and a 340 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.759 couple of times we had problems with the radar and we were twelve fourteen hundred 341 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:07.039 miles off the coast and they would send planes out and they would drop us 342 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.160 supplies. I needed special parts for the radar that had gone out, and 343 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.640 if they were not on board if I didn't have them in the stock room. 344 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:21.319 They flew out a crew and put these things in drums and kicked them 345 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:22.799 out of the plane. They flew down as low as they could and right 346 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.519 by the ship and kicked them out. And then we had to put a 347 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.279 rescue team over the side in a small boat and go out in that choppy 348 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.759 water and rescue that drum and bring it in so I could have parts. 349 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.200 So they took it very seriously. This was not a joke. And then 350 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:44.319 one time we had a problem with the antenna and its direction, the motor 351 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:49.839 that determines where you're pointing as far as accompassed headings go, and they got 352 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.480 shorted out and they were pointing one hundred and eighty degrees from where it was 353 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:57.720 supposed to be. And of course every contact we had then was an unknown 354 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:03.880 and boy, believe me, they sent jets from Massachusetts. They had jets 355 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:08.240 out there within fifteen minutes after we reported the first one, and they told 356 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:14.079 us that they couldn't find anything where we said it was. And of course 357 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.960 when we finally figured it out, the planes they were on their normal track, 358 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.680 right where they belonged, but we were reporting them one hundred and eighty 359 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.200 out, and of course it was kind of embarrassing. I got pretty good 360 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.119 chewing out about it. But it was something that there was no way to 361 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.680 tell that there was nothing in the equipment to tell you that short would happen 362 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.039 and cause the thing to pick up exactly one hundred and eighty degrees from where 363 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.440 it was supposed to. But I can tell you that the military and the 364 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:45.559 government took this very serious. I mean they and so we didn't want to 365 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.880 report something thirty four hundred miles an hour and then have to go through all 366 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:55.079 the hassle of explaining why the radars were okay and that it may have been 367 00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:02.119 a real contact, and so we just didn't report it, shoing it. 368 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.960 With these experiences that had guts you involved with the disclosure project, how did 369 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:15.000 that happen? Well? In the process. After I became interested in nineteen 370 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:22.200 late eighties, I began to have problems and realized that I had had UFO 371 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.680 contact. I got interested in learning everything I could learn, and I heard 372 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:33.359 about doctor Greer's Sea SETI, and I joined Sea SETI, and then in 373 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.400 that process I went down and had one of his ambassador trains. First when 374 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.839 he ever put on, and I went to that and spent five days with 375 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.400 him and we talked and I mentioned that. So when he started up his 376 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.079 disclosure project, I became one of the witnesses that he came in videotape. 377 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:57.880 He's got four hundred people like me that are have had these experiences that were 378 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:06.119 military or of them, and he videotaped those people. Now he says that 379 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.440 he's got probably six or eight hundred more if he had the money to do 380 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:15.279 that, that he would, you know, video take their testimony because we're 381 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.640 all getting kind of old. He says, we need to record this for 382 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.799 historical sake. So that's how I got involved with doctor Greer's disclosure project, 383 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.799 and I was picked. He kicked twenty two to go to the press club, 384 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:37.160 and I had already had my plane ticket and my motel room and everything, 385 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.160 and my mother passed away the day before it happened, and I had 386 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.000 to be involved with that, so I didn't go to the press club, 387 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.200 but I was one of the twenty two. So there was twenty one of 388 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.640 them at the press club. And people can go to Disclosure Project IROIC. 389 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.759 You could watch the press conference, which is pretty amazing. And then you 390 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.240 can also order the videos with the interviews, either the one hour or I 391 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.559 think, well the four hour, two hours and four hour is what they 392 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:12.160 are, and I'd recommend he get the four hour. Yeah, that that's 393 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.279 I don't remember how many people are on that, but there's probably fifty or 394 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:22.000 sixty. I know my testimony. I've got about ten minutes of testimony that 395 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.559 I have videotaped with doctor Greer, and that's on there. In fact, 396 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.039 that's that's on some other sites that it's been picked up and on YouTube and 397 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:36.279 a few places you can find it. But that was that's your big I 398 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.960 get. This was the testimony I gave Steven Greer for his Disclosure project, 399 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:47.599 which was basically what we what I described to you about the planes and all 400 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.839 right, yeah, so that's some great video of that people can go check 401 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.279 out. And you know you had alluded to, you know, how you 402 00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.799 really got involved with UFOs was having some nightmare and some experiences of your own. 403 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:07.720 So I wanted to get into that as well. Well, that's how 404 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.920 I really got interested. I've began to have what I thought was a really 405 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.079 scary dream, but I had it the same identical dream every night for six 406 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.840 or seven nights in a row, and so I went, I had a 407 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:25.719 friend that was a dream interpreter, and so I called her and says, 408 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.880 I want to come talk to you about this crazy dream I'm having. And 409 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:30.880 she says, well, what about it? And I said, well, 410 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:36.559 I'm having the same identical dream every night. Every detail is clear, and 411 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.679 it starts at the same spot, it ends at the same spot. And 412 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:45.559 I says, it's just a very vivid, bright technicolor dream. And I 413 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.880 says, I'm you know, I'm just curious about it. And she said 414 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.679 that would have been an eighty eight or eighty nine somewhere along, gotcha. 415 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.559 And I was going through some personal stress and things were really stressful for me, 416 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.119 and I guess that's when I started having these nightmares or I thought they 417 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.519 were nightmares. And she says, that's flashback, says, that's a that's 418 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.239 your recall from from incidents that you've had somewhere in your life. And she 419 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.639 says, if you don't mind telling me, what's it about. And I 420 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.320 said, well, I'm a little me embarrassed to tell you, but it's 421 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.960 about a UFO And she said, well, it says, uh, there's 422 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.760 a fellow up in Wyoming, that's uh that does that kind of work. 423 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.440 And she gave me Leo Sprinkle's name, and I looked him up, and 424 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.119 that's how I got involved with doctor Sprinkle. He I came up and had 425 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.679 him go through, uh, what was happening to me and that dream? 426 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.719 And uh he regressed me and took me back through that dream the part of 427 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.559 it I didn't remember. And that was how I got involved with doctor Sprinkle 428 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.679 and got interested. Ye, do you mind sharing that dream with us? 429 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.679 No, I don't mind. It's uh. I went for a long time 430 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:06.119 and wouldn't tell anybody anything, but I'm totally out now, and of course, 431 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.840 you know, giving talks and being open trying to help people that have 432 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.440 had these experiences. And the dream had started out that I was in a 433 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.239 I lived in Springfield, Missouri, and there was a big three hundred acre 434 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.440 field. I was the last house on the end of the of a street 435 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:28.559 and there was a big field and there was a my housing project on the 436 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.679 other side of the field, and there was an office that for the construction 437 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:38.000 company out in that field, and they had decided to build a house between 438 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:42.000 me and the edge of the field, and so I was no longer the 439 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.599 end house, and they had messed up my lawn and I was walking across. 440 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.440 In my dream, I was walking across and the lawn was messed up, 441 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.480 and I did go talk to the guy, so that part of the 442 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.519 dream was real and it was a factual event. And I walked across to 443 00:36:55.559 --> 00:37:00.760 his office and had some words with him about the fact that he hadn't resited 444 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.199 my son and sail like he was supposed to and cleaned it up like he 445 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.119 was supposed to, and I wanted to get it done before he left. 446 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:14.199 And as I came back walking across this in the dream, I came walking 447 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:19.679 back across from his office towards my house and all of a sudden, I'm 448 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.199 in a little bit of a fog. And then here's this craft, and 449 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:30.199 it's about a thirty forty foot diameter craft sitting on three tripod legs and two 450 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:34.360 little guys. There's a kind of a stairway ramped down from the craft. 451 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.800 It was probably six feet off the ground, and there was these two little 452 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.840 guys standing at the end of the stairway. And I looked at him and 453 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.400 says, what are you doing here? And they says, we're waiting for 454 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:49.639 you. And I looked up into the craft, and so I said, 455 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.079 do you mind if I look in? And they says no, And this 456 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:58.400 was all telepathic, I guess. I don't remember whether they opened their mouths. 457 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.000 I don't remember seeing their mouths opening, but anyway I had to come. 458 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.599 It's kind of strange. They were kind of like the grays, but 459 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:12.119 they were had a little uniforms on, and they had a little camp on, 460 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.440 and their eyes were not as big as the Whitley Strieber Grays. They 461 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:22.039 did have bigger eyes than normal, and they did have a head that was 462 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.760 very large for their side. They were about three or three and a half 463 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.599 feet high. And at the time, you know, I didn't think to 464 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.320 look at their hands and see how many fingers they had or anything like that. 465 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.760 I just remember their face. They didn't have lips. They had a 466 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.920 little slit, and they had two little holes for noses, and I don't 467 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:46.840 remember seeing any ears. So I walked up this little stairway and inside there 468 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.559 was a console or kind of a cockpit with two seats in it, and 469 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:55.239 then there was this console of all kinds of instruments behind those two seats. 470 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.480 There was a little bench and I sat down on this little bench and was 471 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.719 looking trying to figure out what these instruments were. When they came in and 472 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.519 sat down, and they looked around and said, do you want to go 473 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.360 for a ride? Well, I've always been adventuresome and I thought they were 474 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.639 just gonna ride me around this three hundred acre field and that that would be 475 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:20.039 interesting. So I says, well sure, So they closed the ramp and 476 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.679 the dome. When the ramp closed, the dome turned crystal clear. It 477 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:29.039 had been a kind of a grayish dome like it was painted or something, 478 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.280 and all of a sudden, it's just crystal clear. You can see the 479 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:37.440 clouds in the sky and the thing just there was a slight movement as it 480 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.639 took off, and I thought, well, this is not bad, and 481 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:45.639 they're gonna move around this thing bring me back and sat down and when I 482 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.719 looked up and we're going up into the clouds, and all of a sudden, 483 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.360 it's like a bullet and we went through the clouds and out from a 484 00:39:53.519 --> 00:40:00.280 bright blue sky into a jet black sky at I mean enormous speed. And 485 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.320 this is what would always wake me up. I would wake up screaming no, 486 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.480 because I didn't agree to go outside and go up into the to the 487 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.440 space. I just agreed to fly around the field, you know. But 488 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.039 it's just a matter of perspective. They're thinking, we're just going to stick 489 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.039 to this side of the Solar system. What's the begin that's about it. 490 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.440 So they took me, uh, and of course that was all I remembered. 491 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.360 I would wake myself up screaming. And this happened six or seven nights 492 00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.159 in a row, and it was identacle every night. And so when I 493 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.920 went to doctor Sprinkle, he regressed me back to that time and to the 494 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.119 time that when we broke through the clouds and took me from there to the 495 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:46.840 rest of the trip. And they took me out into space and we joined 496 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.599 I call it a mothership. It was an enormous globe. I would say 497 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.840 it would have had to have been a mile in diameter. And it opened 498 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.760 a little portal on the side, and we went in and sat down, 499 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.320 and they had there was a whole bunch of others. There was probably fifteen 500 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:13.079 craft like that inside that hangar section. And I was met by and when 501 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.920 I got out of the craft, I was met by a guy that looked 502 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:22.199 very human. He was about six feet tall, maybe five eight five nine 503 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:28.840 six feet and he had long white hair with a white beard, and was 504 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.840 wearing a white robe. And he says, come with me, and they 505 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.800 took me into a room and closed the door. It was a small room, 506 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.199 and then this greenish looking gas came out and they just told me, 507 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.880 says, it won't hurt you and it'll decontaminate you. And then I came 508 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.360 out of that room after about five minutes, and they took me around the 509 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.599 corridor that I could see out into space. It was like a glass wall, 510 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.800 and on the other side of that wall there was doors. And then 511 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.239 one of those doors was it opened and I could see in, and they 512 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.199 stopped and we went in that door and stood there, and it was an 513 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.199 auditorium that would see three or four hundred people, and they were all from 514 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.239 the backs of their head and everything. It was like a theater. It 515 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.760 was like a stadium theater seating and all I could see is backs of heads, 516 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.679 and there was somebody speaking down on the stage in front of them. 517 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:30.519 And this being that had me said, this is where we teach people how 518 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:36.320 to help people back on Earth, and that was all he said. And 519 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.559 they didn't leave me there to go hear what was being said with the people 520 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.760 that were talking on the stage. I don't know anything about that. And 521 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.639 he took me back, and all I remember is we walked around through the 522 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.639 ship a little bit, but it was just basically around the hall and then 523 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.519 down another hall and back into that hangar, and they put me back on 524 00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.920 that little disk and the two guys brought me back and landed me in that 525 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.280 field, and I got out and they took off. And that was that 526 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:14.000 experience, and which the go ahead. Was there some missing time? No, 527 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:19.519 that was another experience where I had missing time much earlier. I was 528 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.480 still in the Navy when I had missing time, and this was conscious. 529 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:28.800 I mean, I remembered that my buddy and I were hitchhiking home for the 530 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:32.639 weekend and we weren't doing real well, and we were in North Carolina, 531 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.239 both of us. When I went in the Navy, I had lived and 532 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.599 I was living in North Carolina, and my buddy had lived. He lived 533 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.840 about one hundred miles from me, and so we were going to go home 534 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:50.519 for the weekend, and we were about twelve o'clock. We were in Fedeville, 535 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.559 North Carolina, which is where Fort Bragg and Pope Air Base is, 536 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.280 and I needed to get to the next town was about twenty miles from there. 537 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.000 And so there was the truck driver sitting in this truck stop we'd stop 538 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.719 to get some coffee, and he says, well, i'll take you out 539 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:07.840 part way. He says, I'm going by there, and he says there's 540 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.480 a road out there that goes into the town. And he says, all 541 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.639 these people that work at Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force bases they get off 542 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.920 about this time at night. And he says, there'll always be some traffic 543 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.400 on that road. We'll take you right into the little town you want to 544 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.519 go into. And so we said fine. So he takes us out there, 545 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.440 and it was about one or one thirty by the time we got out 546 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:34.199 there, and he put us off in this road and my friend and I 547 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.440 started walking and we hadn't walked more than a couple hundred yards, maybe three 548 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.800 hundred yards down the road, and I looked around and saw this big bright 549 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.440 light coming and I thought, this is a trucker. You know, he's 550 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.039 going to pick us up. So I'm standing there with my thumb out, 551 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:52.920 and the next thing I remember is my friend and I are rolling in the 552 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.920 highway. Of course, we're in our uniform, and we're rolling around on 553 00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.400 the pavement, just laughing like crazy. And we both get up and you 554 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.719 know, we look at each other and said, what in the world going 555 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.280 on? You know, what are we doing in the middle of the highway 556 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:12.199 rolling around? And we talked about that for a long time on the ship, 557 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.320 laughed about it and said, well, maybe they'd drugged us or something. 558 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.480 You know, we don't know, we can't figure it out. But 559 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.719 as we got up and got brushed off, here comes a car and we 560 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:27.880 thumb and the guy stops and we got in the car and he says where 561 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.920 you're going, and we told him, and he said, well, I'll 562 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.559 take into this next town. And when we had gotten out of the truck, 563 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.039 we saw the sign said fourteen miles to this town. And I says, 564 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.280 how far is it? And he says, oh, it's about thirteen 565 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.199 and a half miles from here. And we said, god, it's got 566 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.400 to be closer now we've been walking for quite a while. And he says, 567 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.320 well, that's how far it is. And so neither one of us 568 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:52.400 had to watch on. We asked him, said what time is it, 569 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.719 and he says, it's a quarter of four, And it was one thirty 570 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.119 or one fifteen when we got out of the truck, and now it's a 571 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.960 quarter of four, and we had all this missing time. All we had 572 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.440 done was we remember walking about two or three hundred yards. And so that 573 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:14.280 was an incident that took many years. Again, after I had gone to 574 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:20.079 doctor Sprinkle, he told me that missing time was usual, an indication of 575 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.360 some kind of contact. I had talked to him about it because I didn't 576 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.440 know. I just remembered it. He asked me to remember all these anything 577 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.400 that looked out of the place now that you didn't think about back then. 578 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.639 He says, things that happened to you that were just a little out of 579 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.239 the ordinary, that not necessarily you saw any kind of a UFO or anything. 580 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.039 And so I remembered that and I brought it up. I said, 581 00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.519 well I had missing time, and he told me, he said, well, 582 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.079 that's that's a sure thing. Most likely, especially now that you've had 583 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.920 these other experiences, it's most likely that that was an incident. But I 584 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.320 didn't have the money and didn't want I was tired. We'd gone through about 585 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.760 two hours of this regression, and of course I didn't want to go through 586 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.760 anymore that day, and so I told him, I said, well, 587 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.039 we'll do it at a later date. And I did it with Barbara Lamb 588 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.519 at a later date, did go back and she regressed me back through that 589 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.039 incident. And what happened to us there when we were in the navy and 590 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.239 they picked us up. What happened is that that big bright light was a 591 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:29.840 ship and it picked us up, my buddy and I and I remember in 592 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.440 the regression. They got us up into the ship and we you know, 593 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.440 they told us to undress, and we took her clothes off. And there 594 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.920 were two big metal tables in the room. It was a round room, 595 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.920 and they put my buddy on one table and me on the other table. 596 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.800 And I'm laying on my back and there's nobody around me, and so I'm 597 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.800 looking over at his table and there's three or four little guys working on him 598 00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.639 and this they bring this tool down out of the ceiling and it goes towards 599 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.360 the bridge of his nose and then it retracts. And about that time, 600 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.320 this guy in a lab coat walks in. It's about normal height, about 601 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:15.880 five seven or five eight something like that. Walks in and comes up to 602 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.559 my table and takes my pause. And to this day, I don't know 603 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.440 why I didn't look down and see how many fingers he had or what his 604 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.440 hands looked like, but I didn't. But I looked at his face, 605 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.760 and it was a kind of a strange it was almost a bug like face. 606 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.760 And I remember asking him how much more of this have I got to 607 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:44.199 do? And he says, not much, and he walked around the table 608 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:46.400 and looked at me. He never touched me anymore, never did anything else. 609 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:51.519 He just walked around and looked at me, and walked out of the 610 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:57.880 room and told turned and he started out. He says, y'all get dressed. 611 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.119 And of course, my friend by this time he's gotten up and he's 612 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.679 a true red neck, and he was just as mad as he could be 613 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.400 because they now given him instructions. He's got to get dressed. They took 614 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.719 him and told him to take his clothes off. Now they're telling him to 615 00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:15.079 get dressed, and he was really upset about it. And I told him, 616 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.559 I remember telling him distinctly. I says, don't worry about it. 617 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.400 You'll get used to it. I did, and I thought that was kind 618 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.159 of an interesting comment, you know, And I must have had a number 619 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:31.800 of these experiences. But we got dressed and they put this beam. We 620 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:37.719 went down in this beam, and what happened is they misjudged the highway and 621 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.199 they the beam ended about eighteen inches before it got to the ground, and 622 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.360 that when the beam cut off, we fell. And that's how we were 623 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.159 rolling in the highway, was because we fell when the beam dropped down. 624 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.599 And we were laughing because we were back on earth. And so I'm happy, 625 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.920 Yeah, we were happy that nothing went wrong. And and he didn't 626 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:06.239 complain of anything. He never complained of having any pain or anything. And 627 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.320 I didn't either. Of course it didn't do anything to me, but he 628 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.880 never said anything about that. And of course I didn't remember him, you 629 00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.239 know, with the machine and all that. At the time, all I 630 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.239 remembered was the blank time we had. So I don't know, but I 631 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.800 remember I went back in my own just my memories of he and I that 632 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:28.880 trip and how that trip went. I took him on home and got my 633 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.440 car and drove him seventy five miles to his home, and then we came 634 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.760 back on Sunday and hitchhiked back to the base and told all our friends about 635 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:44.199 it and laughed about it and how we'd had such a weird time and that 636 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.800 was all it was, ever said. I didn't think too much more now. 637 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.840 So these creatures on this didn't work different than the last one. Yeah, 638 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:57.039 I told us about the first one. Yes, yeah, interesting. 639 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.400 Still little guys though, humh Yeah they were, they were. They were 640 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:06.000 more of the typical grays. And they were up on the table working on 641 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.840 my friend, and and uh, of course, I you know, I 642 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.079 guess I was used to it because it didn't bother me and didn't get scared, 643 00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.119 and I didn't. I guess I was used to them telling me what 644 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:19.000 to do, because they told me, you know, you know, you 645 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.199 lay down on the table and be still, and I did, and I 646 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.000 guess that was it. I just turned my head and I could see him 647 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.559 and see the table and them working around him. When I saw the instrument 648 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:35.360 come down out of the ceiling and they moved it around and positioned it right 649 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.960 over the bridge of his nose, and then it went back up and didn't 650 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.920 make any sounds or anything, and he didn't say anything, he didn't scream 651 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.519 or anything, so I don't guess he had any pain. Yeah. So 652 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.960 and this was how you got involved with doctor Leo Sprinkle. And and then 653 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:59.079 you, I mean you really dived into the whole UFO E. T Field 654 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:04.559 and research study right, and studying I went on. I went big time 655 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.159 into the trying to figure out what's going on because now I realized that this 656 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:14.360 is real. And course you've read about it, and I had heard about 657 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:19.559 the UFOs back in the sixties, before nineteen sixty six, it was common 658 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.159 to see newspaper reports that were just factual reports, just like a reporting a 659 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:27.840 car accident, you know, as a UFO was sighted or it landed in 660 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.639 the road. I remember in North Carolina one landed in a highway and I 661 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.440 happened to be on that road two days later, and they said it had 662 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.599 burned and there was a big circle, about a fifteen or twenty foot circle 663 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:44.199 burned in the asphalt on that highway. And so I thought about it, 664 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.400 you know, just well that was interesting, and I never thought any more 665 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.639 about it being you know, extraterrestrials or anything like that, and just never 666 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.840 paid any attention to it because I was trying to build a career in the 667 00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:01.920 pharmaceutical field in business, and the Navy trained me very well to pay attention 668 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:07.079 to what your assignment is. You don't that's the good part of the Navy 669 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.440 training is like where I was working down in the kind of the nerve center 670 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:16.000 of the ship. The see, I see you have to pay attention to 671 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.639 your job and don't worry about what happens to anybody else. And they tell 672 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.840 you you may be the only guy that survives if it's under attack, so 673 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.599 you can't worry about what's happened to everybody else. You stay with your job 674 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.280 and don't pay any attention to anything else. And so I've My wife says 675 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.159 I'm real good at that, because I don't pay attention to her a lot 676 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.000 of times because if I'm on thinking about something else, that's all I hear. 677 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:45.159 You know, it's very good at petitioning things. So I know from 678 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:52.000 the from the Navy up until the late eighties, you never gave this stuff 679 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.880 much thought, not at all. Never read this far as I know. 680 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.440 The only book that I've thought about it a lot recently because I've been trying 681 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:06.480 to go back through my history, and I have had other incidences I've never 682 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.000 talked about that I found that had nothing to do with One of them had 683 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.519 something to do with me, but I was involved in him. I had 684 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:16.440 when I was about four years old. I was I remember consciously, these 685 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.000 are all conscious memories of my grandmother. I was living with her, and 686 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.599 she was a very brave lady. Had lived by herself or her husband been 687 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.599 dead twenty years at that point, I guess, and she was a very 688 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.400 tough lady. And I was sitting out in the yard playing in the sand, 689 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:37.119 and I remember looking up and seeing this great, big silver looking thing 690 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.079 in the sky, and my grandmother came running out and picked me up and 691 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.360 took me in the house. And I remember I said, Grandma, what 692 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.719 was that? She says, it was an airship, son, And that's 693 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.840 all she said, Well, an airship. If it'd been an airship, 694 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.360 she'd have explained it to me and we'd have looked at it. And she 695 00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:57.360 was always explaining things and making sure I was getting in education, you know, 696 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.519 So I know now that that was something that scared her, because she 697 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:07.159 grabbed me up and took me in the house. And that was an incident, 698 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:12.800 and then when I was about ten, I was working with my uncle 699 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:19.320 and he had tobacco, and you have to process the tobacco after it's cured 700 00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.960 and get it ready to go to market. And we were doing that one 701 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:28.639 Sunday afternoon, and we had a shed that this stuff was stored in, 702 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.079 and you go in and work on it and sort it out and kind of 703 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:35.760 grade it yourself. And we had a black lady working with us, a 704 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.159 young girl about eighteen or nineteen, and I wasn't paying any attention to their 705 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:45.159 conversation. We were all grading, sorting out the tobacco and putting it into 706 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.960 the right kind of containers and stuff. And he said something to her, 707 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.599 and she says, no, I can't do that, says the devil might 708 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.079 get me. And he says the devil might get you in and she says 709 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:59.480 yeah, says my mama says the devil come see me. Says I got 710 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.239 these says these little tiny white guys come in and they take me out right 711 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.559 through the wall. Says my mama tells me, that's the devil. I've 712 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.559 been doing something bad, so I can't do anything bad. Says the devil 713 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:13.119 will come get me, and says I don't like it when they come get 714 00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.199 me. He says, that's the devil, and I don't want nothing to 715 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:17.920 do with that. Well, I know now that three foot little white guys 716 00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:22.679 are not the devil, you know, But to her in South Georgia in 717 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:29.119 nineteen forty six or forty seven, somewhere along and there, that was the 718 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.000 mentality, you know, that they couldn't explain it any other way. It 719 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:37.280 had to be the devil, you know. So right, Wow, So 720 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.480 I never now that you've been reflecting on this, because now you're involved with 721 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.400 this stuff. You helped, you took over Leo sprinkled conferences, and you've 722 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:51.840 been heavily involved in lectures and getting information out. Do you relate you know, 723 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:57.199 your past and these experiences to what you're doing now. Well, it 724 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.960 made me go in and really think about it. And of course, like 725 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.599 I tell people in my talk, now, I'm a knower, I'm not 726 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.320 a believer. Once you've had the experience and come to recognize that it's real, 727 00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:13.519 you know then that they're here and that they're real, and that you 728 00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.119 just as well learn to live with it and try to deal with it. 729 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:22.000 And of course that's doctor Sprinkle's business is to help you learn to live a 730 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.159 normal life after you've had that experience. And some people that really bothers a 731 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:30.559 lot. It never really bothered me. I was just curious, and I 732 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:35.119 always been very curious about things, and so I wanted to find out what 733 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.920 it was and why I was having that weird dream. And then once he 734 00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:42.360 got me on to that, then okay, now I got missing time and 735 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.719 he tells me that's a problem. And then I've come to his conference and 736 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.639 started hearing these people tell these stories. And course, as you know, 737 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.320 they when we had those closed sessions at the conference where people would get up, 738 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:59.599 we gave him ten minutes to get up and tell their experience and nobody 739 00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.320 could ask them or anything, so that there was a safe place. I 740 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:06.519 mean, you know, there were grown men that were crying and women that 741 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.239 would cry about their families disintegrating. I mean the wife would leave the man 742 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:14.519 because he was crazy, or the woman would leave the man because he was 743 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.239 I mean, the man would leave the woman. Gave a talk in Missouri 744 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.599 about four years ago, and there was a lady on the program. There 745 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:29.400 was thirty two years old and a very smart lady, and she was telling 746 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:36.519 her story that and was trying to elicit help in understanding this because she began 747 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:40.440 to have contacts and they would come and take her out and take her on 748 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.280 the ship, and her husband thought she was going crazy. They had two 749 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:50.239 little kids, a little boy and little girl, six and eight years old, 750 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.360 and he filed for divorce and then sued for custody and got custody of 751 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:59.000 the kids because she was having a UFO experience and the judge that she wasn't 752 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:04.760 fit mother. This is nineteen. This would have been four, four or 753 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.800 five years ago. This would have been two thousand and two, two thousand 754 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.320 and three, somewhere along in there. Two thousand and three, I guess 755 00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:14.280 it was that I was in Missouri at that conference and gave a talk, 756 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.159 and so it does go on. But I never had that kind of you 757 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.960 know, Carolyn, my wife was very supportive. She's had her own experiences, 758 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.639 and so I've never had any problems of not being supportive. I never 759 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:31.440 told my family. I'm the oldest of six children, and come to find 760 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:38.280 out, in the last three years, I've found out that two of them, 761 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:43.320 two of my brothers, have had experiences and or had sightings. They 762 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.159 haven't at least they're not admitting yet that they've been a border craft, but 763 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:53.360 they've now they've had sightings, and my mother had had a sighting and my 764 00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:57.800 father had had a sighting, and neither one of them. My dad died. 765 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.079 He died right after my mother died, about three four months later. 766 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.719 But he never mentioned it. But he had mentioned it to my youngest brother, 767 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.239 who admitted he had had a sighting when he was in high school and 768 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:15.039 it was on our we owned a ranch in North Carolina and my dad was 769 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.639 just a cowboy. And uh, and my brother told him about the experience 770 01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:23.039 that happened to him, you know, the night before he was a park 771 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:29.480 with his girlfriend out on the ranch and and this light came down and just 772 01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:31.480 steered the death out of him. And it was a bright white light, 773 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:36.639 I mean really bright. And he says, he says, Pope told me. 774 01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:38.119 He says, that's the same damn thing that happened to me the other 775 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:42.039 day when I was over there checking over them. Cow says it come that 776 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.239 was the brightest light I ever saw in my life, shine right down on 777 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:50.079 my pickup. And he says he never said anything else. And Uh. 778 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.559 Then I had another brother that lived in Florida that had an experience where he 779 01:00:53.679 --> 01:01:00.519 saw this triangle shaped lights in the sky and he had somebody with him, 780 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.519 and then they were going to meet somebody and when they got there, there 781 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.599 were four or six of those people and they were all standing there watching those 782 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:09.239 triangles, and all of a sudden, they split and he said they went 783 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:13.760 in three different directions. And he says in the Tampa paper the next day 784 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.039 there was this deal about it being a media rite come through last night, 785 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.800 and he said it was no media right. I've never seen a media rite 786 01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:25.519 look like a triangle and then split off into three directions. So yeah, 787 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.360 I don't think they do that, no, And so it may be the 788 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:34.239 reason I relay this to you is there is and people need to know this. 789 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:39.119 There is a history that is becoming well documented that these things do run 790 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:44.840 in family. So if you're having the experiences, there's a good possibility that 791 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:49.400 if you have children, they could be having the experiences, or if you 792 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.800 have brothers and sisters, they could be having the experiences and probably will be 793 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:58.559 reluctant to talk about it, just like I was. I never told anybody, 794 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.639 oh yeah, in my experience, you know, I was skeptical of 795 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:08.119 the whole abduction scenario when I first got involved as an investigator, and I 796 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.719 still was. When I started to have people coming to me telling me about 797 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.800 their experiences, hearing their experiences, you know, I started to change my 798 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.000 mind. And then, you know, I've seen UFOs with a couple of 799 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:23.400 these people. But yeah, I started to find that there was definitely in 800 01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:32.159 every case a connection where a parent or a grandparent or and a grandparent typically 801 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:40.840 had some extraordinary experiences along with a child at least one. So yeah, 802 01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:51.519 definitely a And that's important for people to know because as you have these experiences, 803 01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:54.360 the first time you have it, I mean it it is eerie, 804 01:02:54.599 --> 01:03:00.599 I mean, and to some people that's very scary. I've never had negative 805 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.320 experience. All my experiences have been positive and and of course I've had a 806 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:08.239 number of sightings since then since I got involved and got really paying attention and 807 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:14.840 went through Stephen Greer's training and used to SkyWatch every night for you know, 808 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:21.000 for years, Carolyn and I we took groups out and did skywatching and so 809 01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.280 had a lot of experience and seen a lot of a lot of lights and 810 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:30.000 stuff. But I've never had a bad never been afraid. I've never never 811 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.800 had any kind of fear, nor has Carolyn, and so we've we've been 812 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:39.159 lucky. We've talked to some people that are very fearful. We knew no 813 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:46.199 Leah Hayley who's had extreme negative experiences and abductions and stuff in her life, 814 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:52.639 and we've never had that. Yeah, thanking this and moving on beyond, 815 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.079 you know, now you want to move on into a new subject. I'm 816 01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:00.159 going to kind of explain what we're doing with that. I asked the Institute 817 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:08.239 for the Study of Galactic Civilizations and people can go to Galacticcivilizations dot org to 818 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:13.599 find out more about this. But going beyond to start to try to gather 819 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:19.039 information on what we know about these cultures. And my perspective essentially is, 820 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:23.840 you know, there's a lot of people claiming to be getting information from these 821 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:27.559 guys. Some of them could be telling the truth. So it's worth getting 822 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:31.280 them all together and hearing what people have to say, I think, because 823 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.719 something could be going on here. And I know you feel strongly about this 824 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:42.719 too. Yes, that is correct, and there is a tremendous amount once 825 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:46.840 we got to dig it into this, there's a tremendous amount of scientific evidence. 826 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:54.360 It's real, hard scientific evidence. There's archaeological evidence. There's all kinds 827 01:04:54.400 --> 01:05:00.440 of clues in the anthropology area when you study us and get into the issue 828 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:05.440 of whether or not the Darwin theory of evolution holds up, and it's not 829 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:10.519 a religious thing, it's just the science of it. There's big gaps in 830 01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:15.800 the fossil records, and once you look at those mega jumps, you realize 831 01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:21.199 that Darwin's story of constant evolution can't happen with these major jumps. And so 832 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:26.960 there's a lot of very smart people that have studied these things, and they've 833 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.800 been afraid to say very much. There's some of them have written some books, 834 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:35.480 and I'm finding much as it was with the sightings and the et, 835 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:41.199 the spacecraft, the UFO themselves. If you go back into the sixties, 836 01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:46.599 you find all kinds of information that before the big sixty six when the Condon 837 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:54.719 Report came out and after that the government and the press joined together to debunk 838 01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:59.480 and make everybody that had a sighting or anything look like an idiot or you 839 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:02.239 know, some kind of a clown. Before that, the books that were 840 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.360 written, and there were a lot of them, I didn't realize that all 841 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:10.840 back in the fifties there were all kinds of books written, and I'm beginning 842 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.960 to find some of those. A lot of them are scientific people that have 843 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:16.400 looked at this stuff. And in fact, I wanted to add this. 844 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.280 I wish I had my book in front of me so I could get the 845 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:25.800 quote exactly right. But we think of Carl Sagan as being very anti UFO, 846 01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.679 and when you go back into the sixties, he wrote some books, 847 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:34.159 got involved with the Russian scientists that was ahead of one of their space institutes 848 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:43.960 who was a believer, and Carl Sagan the quote is that there are millions 849 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:50.079 and millions in the universe, there are millions of planets capable of supporting life, 850 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:57.880 and that there are probably hundreds of thousands of planets that are inhabited by 851 01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:01.440 beings. And I mean that's a direct quote out of his book. And 852 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.800 I was dumbfounded when I read that. I'd just run across it. But 853 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.920 that book was published in nineteen sixty six called Intelligent Life in the Universe, 854 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:14.480 and he wrote it, he co authored it with the Russian It was really 855 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:18.079 the start of it was a Russian had written this book, and then somehow 856 01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.840 and I don't know the details of how he and Carl Sagan got together. 857 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:28.559 But Sagan then co authored and added to the book, and they translated it 858 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.719 into English and he added and his little preface. He says, the book 859 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:35.599 is just about twice the size it was when we started, and the Russian 860 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:40.519 had published it in the Russian under his own name, and then they came 861 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:45.199 back and expanded on it. But there's a tremendous amount of data in the 862 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:51.679 archaeological world, the fossil world. There's people like Michael Kremo with the Forbidden 863 01:07:51.760 --> 01:08:00.280 Archaeology. There's a lot of stuff that had to be man made or made. 864 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.760 It was manufactured, it wasn't there. He has evidence of footprints that 865 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:13.159 are dated like four hundred thousand years ago, and they've been dated and accurately 866 01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:19.439 dated. And he's got some there's some balls that are around with three grooves 867 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:24.079 around them that they dug out of some of these places. I think that 868 01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:28.439 was about two hundred and fifty thousand years ago. Those were dated, and 869 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:34.680 he just has an enormous amount of information. I ran across an old group 870 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:41.399 of two fellows, a max flint and an auto binder that were both science 871 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:47.720 writers and journalists in the sixties and seventies, and they wrote a book supposing 872 01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:55.760 made it. The hypothesis is that humans are a hybrid race, that we 873 01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:00.159 could not have been on the evolutionary track and advanced beyond the apes because of 874 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:05.880 the way evolution takes place. And best scientific story I have ever seen about 875 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:14.359 this and I'm fine, Yeah, in an old in search of episode, 876 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:18.520 you know, they would start it off where they had done a couple of 877 01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:25.880 movies before they did the whole series with Leonard Namoy hosting that and looking into 878 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:30.600 mysterious things, and they had done where they had brought on this scientist and 879 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:38.039 he was a Nobel winning scientists and his theory was exactly that that this shows 880 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:42.680 a complete break that evolution doesn't make sense for humans. It does for the 881 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.760 rest of the animals on the planet, but humans in particular don't share the 882 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.600 same kind of history with the animals. We do have a caller on the 883 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:54.000 line, so I want to get to this coller real quick and then I'll 884 01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:58.439 get back into that idea. Color. Are you there, Yes, I'm 885 01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:01.439 here, can great? Yeah, did you have a question? We sure 886 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:04.560 can. Oh, I don't have a question. I just have a comment. 887 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:11.199 I'm just trembling. I've been trembling for ten minutes now after I heard 888 01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:18.760 Franklin talk about the auditorium where he was taken. And my name is Kim 889 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.920 Carlsberg, and I wrote a book in the mid nineties about my experience. 890 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:27.520 It's called Beyond my Wildest Dreams. And I actually have a chapter in the 891 01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:34.560 book called Complexities, which describes the exact same place and that I was told 892 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:40.800 I was being prepared for something in this auditorium and I was very belligerent and 893 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.319 I was removed from the auditorium. But I hadn't heard about that before, 894 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.079 and I just wanted to comment on that. And these things just these confirmations 895 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:53.039 pop up every once in a while, and I just needed to share that 896 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.840 with you guys. Well, I appreciate you sharing it because I had not 897 01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:00.800 had confirmation of it. And that's wonderful to know that somebody else has seen 898 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:05.000 an auditorium as well as myself. That's great. So did you write a 899 01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:09.880 book? No, I have not. Oh, I heard you referring to 900 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.279 a book, so well. I have been out of the UFO world for 901 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.640 quite some time. After I wrote the book. I kind of close that 902 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:21.760 chapter of my life. And but now with the internet cruising around the Internet, 903 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:26.439 you can't help it get sucked back in with all this wonderful information you 904 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.319 know, readily available these days. So anyway, I wanted to thank you. 905 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.920 This has been a fascinating first time I've heard this blog talk radio and 906 01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:39.840 completely fascinating, and thank you for your courage. And who knows, maybe 907 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:43.960 we'll see each other in an auditorium somewhere. Well, we're having a conference 908 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.399 in September in Denver, and I don't know where you are, but in 909 01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:55.079 Denver we're having the Institute for the Study of Galactic Civilizations having their first conference, 910 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.960 and it'll be a great place to learn more about the history of this 911 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.119 contact. This contact's been going on for according to some a million years and 912 01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:08.840 some, you know, four hundred thousand years ago, and there's a lot 913 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:13.439 of documented evidence that this might have taken place, as they say, even 914 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.560 four hundred thousand years ago, and then the two hundred and fifty thousand, 915 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:24.079 there's some others. They were as many as twelve or fifteen different races visiting 916 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.479 the Earth at different times, and so that's how the time line gets kind 917 01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.880 of out of whack. Some of them came here early and left, and 918 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:36.840 some came later and stayed. And so as they dig in and get more 919 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:42.720 and more information that they can document, it's really getting to be fascinating as 920 01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:47.039 to what this is all about. And what was the name of your book? 921 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:51.159 What was my book? I think you can probably still catch it on 922 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:56.159 you know, used books stores or Amazon or something like that, but it's 923 01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:00.079 called Beyond my Wildest Dreams? Okay, thank you? Yeah? And when 924 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:04.680 would you write that, Kim? I wrote that in ninety five, and 925 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:10.760 at that time, you know, I believe I was the first woman to 926 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:16.000 talk about the female experience, you know, blatantly about the implantations and so 927 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:20.880 forth. So I got a lot of requests for you know, television shows 928 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:25.560 and talk shows, and I did that for a while. And once I 929 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:30.319 came to understand everything thoroughly enough, like I said, I was able to 930 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:36.239 put it behind me. But it's still out there. Yeah, howart of 931 01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:40.800 your life experience? I mean, you can't get away from it having happened, 932 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.239 and that's just just that you've integrated it and went on with your life, 933 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:46.920 which is what I've done. I went on, finished my business, 934 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:53.439 career and stayed in highly sensitive areas. I worked in the handle the finances 935 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:58.640 of some companies and handled a lot of work with the FDA that was highly 936 01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.239 you had to have extreme credibility, and so I managed to integrate it into 937 01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:05.439 my life and went on and did that kind of work without ever saying anything 938 01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:10.640 to anybody. And well, you know, it's funny. In my business, 939 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:14.960 so many times they kept repeating these television shows over and over throughout the 940 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:18.000 years, you know, for for decades, fifteen years, and I would 941 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:23.800 be in a new business arena and someone would come up to me the next 942 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.880 day and say, well, I saw you on television last night, you 943 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:32.159 know, and then my cover was blown. So it's tricky to kind of 944 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.039 deal with all of it at once. But I don't want to take up 945 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:38.399 any more of your time because you're so fascinating. It would be wonderful if 946 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:44.159 if you have a contact information website or emails, or if you would I 947 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:46.760 give you my personal email. I give it out all over the country. 948 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:55.319 It's an acronyms. S is in sam f r f C. That's s 949 01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:08.000 fr FC Sam Frank Robert Frank, Charlie IFRII dot com if are I I 950 01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:12.840 got it, Well, maybe tell a little further in the future. Okay, 951 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.399 thank you very much, Thank you so much. Thanks for calling Kivin. 952 01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:19.239 We do have the website we're talking about too. If you were to 953 01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:26.319 email him there, uh through that Galactic Civilizations dot org, we'd be able 954 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.840 to get that to you too, So and we're going to talk a lot 955 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:34.399 more about that now. So that's another great thing about the Internet, a 956 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:41.000 lot of these people getting stories out and being able to talk and finding connections 957 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.840 like these, because actually this is like the you're not the first story I've 958 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:55.079 heard of an auditorium type of training scenario. Well that's interesting, and you 959 01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.000 and I have never talked about that, but we will have to talk about 960 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.640 that one day. Yeah. I wanted to tell me any more about it, 961 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:05.279 and they didn't let me sit down and listen. They Yeah, do 962 01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:10.760 you remember a belligerent leading that got kicked out? I did. I don't 963 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.960 believe she was there. Maybe they'd already kicked her out because they were all 964 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:18.720 sitting very quiet when I was sitting there. Everybody was well behaved. Yeah, 965 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:30.600 they were about more about the study of galactic civilization, and yeah, 966 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.920 I really appreciate the opportunity to discuss it because it's something that's really dear to 967 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:39.000 my heart now because we're we're beyond if they're here, which, like I 968 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:41.720 say, I know they're here, So if they're here, we need to 969 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.920 learn more about them, and then how long have they been coming here? 970 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:48.239 And that's what got me into this searching into the history of this connection, 971 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:56.960 and I found a very interesting connection prior to our Aristotle. Now this is 972 01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.800 this is this is really weird. But prior to Aristotle in three hundred and 973 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.640 eighty four BC is when he was born. But prior to that, the 974 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:11.520 view of the universe was that there were many worlds and many civilizations and many 975 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:16.640 gods. And he came along and says, no, there's only one civilization, 976 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:21.640 there's only one god, and there's only the Earth is the center of 977 01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:29.159 that universe. And for almost fifteen hundred years that became the way to go. 978 01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:36.239 And there was an Italian philosopher in fifteen hundred and seventy one that proposed 979 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:40.960 once again that no, we're not the center of the universe. The Sun 980 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.079 is the center of our solar system, and there are many universes and many 981 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:55.000 other civilizations and for his wisdom he got burned at the stake. So it's 982 01:17:55.039 --> 01:18:00.279 been serious business all through the history of mankind about this stuff. And the 983 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:04.920 Institute for the Study of These Civilizations, I think is a very important thing 984 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:14.000 because it gives the particularly the scientific people a platform to come and talk about 985 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:20.720 this under conditions that are more of the academic type where they feel comfortable. 986 01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:26.760 Whereas if you go to a quote UFO conference, they're not going there. 987 01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.279 They just doesn't. If they do, they're not going to say anything. 988 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:36.279 And and we're hoping that with the Institute that they will be able to come 989 01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:45.560 and contribute, and course we're happy to have our conference. Doctor author David 990 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:55.479 Horn is a PhD that was trained at Yale University in anthropology, biology, 991 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.680 anthro biology they call it, and paleontology. And he studied the apes for 992 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.439 two or three years and wrote a number of papers and articles and taught at 993 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:12.000 Colorado State University for eight or ten years, taught to anthropology and paleontology. 994 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:20.079 And in his travels he met a lady in California and she was very spiritual 995 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:24.119 and he was not, but she got him to go in some of her 996 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:30.159 spiritual contacts, and all of a sudden he had some kind of an epiphany. 997 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:31.720 I haven't talked with him yet. I'm going to interview him for our 998 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:38.840 website hopefully here in the next couple of months find out just what happened. 999 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.479 But he changed, came back to the university and resigned. He says, 1000 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:47.520 I cannot teach Darwin's theory of evolution anymore because it's not the truth. He 1001 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:51.920 says there is not that it just doesn't fit. And he resigned and went 1002 01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:58.640 out and wrote a book. And that book detailed is probably one of the 1003 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:01.399 one of the the best two or three books that are there's about three or 1004 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:08.359 four really good books about this history. And his books called Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origons, 1005 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:14.439 and he documents through the literature all of this stuff of the palaeontology and 1006 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:18.079 the archaeology and all of the other clues that are out there. And it's 1007 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:23.680 he agreed. We had no trouble getting him to agree to come to this. 1008 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:26.600 And he's not on the speaker circuit at least. I can't find where 1009 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.479 he's given a talk anywhere. We don't know what kind of speaker he's going 1010 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.239 to be because we've never heard him, but since he was a university professor, 1011 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:39.479 we figured he can talk probably pretty good. Yeah, well that's pretty 1012 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:43.359 exciting. I hadn't you heard of him, and I'm really excited to hear 1013 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.319 what he has to say. Yeah, and then of course we'll have doctor 1014 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:55.640 Leo sprinkle yes, and he's hopefully is going to He's never talked much about 1015 01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:01.479 his experience with his clients, and that's what we've asked him to dig into 1016 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:10.239 and what he's learned from over six hundred people that he's regressed individually and worked 1017 01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:14.079 with. Of course, he's worked with thousands. He's probably the most unsung 1018 01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:18.760 hero to people in the UFO community that there is. He is the guy 1019 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:24.399 that's done more to help. He took the contact ease. When nobody would 1020 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:30.960 touch him, he took them, and he ran psychological tests on him and 1021 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:35.000 proved that they were sound of mind and that they had just had an extraordinary 1022 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.520 experience. They weren't hoaxers, they weren't trying to make money off of it, 1023 01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:44.680 and they weren't crazy. And he became a beacon for people that had 1024 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.279 contact experience. And of course, having been to him and been helped by 1025 01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:51.520 him, I just think he's one of the greatest guys in the business, 1026 01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:56.359 and he's gotten tremendous knowledge in this field. I mean, he is a 1027 01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:02.720 very studious man, and he's a very attentive the details, and he has 1028 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:10.680 a tremendous memory. So I'm just really looking forward to hearing him talk about 1029 01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:15.359 this in September. He's going to be a great speaker, and I think 1030 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:16.920 we'll learn a lot, and it's a good place for him to come out. 1031 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:21.880 He had a hard time he was at the University of Wyoming and and 1032 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:26.800 of course he got to be professor, but they really he never got to 1033 01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:32.720 be considered for department head or anything because they didn't like his UFO connections. 1034 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:35.479 And he just says, well, this is part of my life and I'm 1035 01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:40.079 gonna continue to do it, and you're gonna have to fire me. And 1036 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:45.600 of course they did try to fire John Mack, who was a psychiatrist at 1037 01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:51.399 Harvard because of his experiences of getting involved with the abductees and contact these So 1038 01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:56.239 it's still a kind of a rough world out there, and hopefully the Institute 1039 01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:00.880 will give us a place where people can come and feel safe and and tell 1040 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:04.520 the stories and the science you know this. If we can put the science 1041 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:09.479 together, it takes it out of the realm of well, it was a 1042 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:14.039 folk story or it was a mythology or something like that, and when you 1043 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:18.159 see the science behind it and credible people that are are real credible science is 1044 01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:23.199 saying this is what I know now and I'm willing to talk about this is 1045 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:29.279 a great thing. I think it's very que We have another PhD, Doctor 1046 01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:31.880 Norman Milanovitch. I don't know much about her, and it's going to need 1047 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:39.079 to also have We'll have Rainbow Ego uh uh Chuck Tied, a Native American 1048 01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:45.319 teacher uh. And he puts a lot of different cultures, Native American cultures 1049 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:48.359 and their concepts in to play with all of the stuff too, and that 1050 01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:54.520 mixture I love. Yeah, it's it's a it's a great mixture because they 1051 01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:00.720 the Native Americans have an indigenous people all over the world just make no bones 1052 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:03.199 about it that they were visited. In fact, their history was that they 1053 01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:08.159 came from the stars, and the star people were the people that brought them 1054 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:13.000 here. And it's really gonna be great, I'm telling you. And doctor 1055 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.239 Malanovich, I've heard her speek. She's an excellent speaker, and of course 1056 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:20.079 I've read her books and my wife went to one of her workshops, and 1057 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:25.199 she's really good, and so we're lucky there. Of course, Wendell Stevens, 1058 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:29.239 he's the dean of all this. Wendell's been at it longer than anybody. 1059 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.600 I mean, well, I guess Leo has been at it about as 1060 01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:36.239 long. But Wendell has been collecting photographs since nineteen sixty one or sixty two 1061 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:44.840 and has about thirty five hundred documented. And of course, if you know, 1062 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.159 I bought some of the photos of my that I used my talks from 1063 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:51.399 Wendell, and every photo that he sells, he gives a history of the 1064 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:55.800 photo, who took it, where they took it, and what it depicts. 1065 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:59.119 And I thought that was amazing. As many photos as he's got, 1066 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.279 but he's got the history that comes with them, and I mean it takes 1067 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:06.279 a lot of time to do that. You buy ten photos. He was 1068 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:11.439 in the Air Force and is an Air Force right, Yeah, he was. 1069 01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:16.479 Yeah, he's a lieutenant colonel retired in the Air Force, and he 1070 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:20.279 was in charge of a bomber squadron and they sent him to Alaska. They 1071 01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:26.920 took his bomber squadron and outfitted it with cameras instead of guns, and they 1072 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:32.279 sent him to Alaska to photograph UFOs and uh, this was in the early 1073 01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:36.439 sixties, and he photographed a whole bunch of them, and he said that 1074 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:40.720 when they came down, they took the camera in the film and he never 1075 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:45.079 saw one of them. And his first photograph that he collected as one showed 1076 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.399 up in an envelope one day and says, I thought you'd like to see 1077 01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:50.079 what you photographed. And he says he doesn't know who gave it to him 1078 01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:54.600 or where it comes from. And that's got him interested. And he began 1079 01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:58.119 to find out that other people had photographs, and that's got him into the 1080 01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.640 collecting of the photographs. And well, and we're almost out of time, 1081 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:08.039 but we'll have Sheldon Nidel there and also Stan Romanic I've talked a lot about 1082 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:12.119 his case. So if you want to hear firsthand about his case, you 1083 01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:15.439 know, you can come to this conference and do that. And so when 1084 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:20.359 is his conference. It's working to get him both by fifth, twenty sixth 1085 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:27.119 and twenty seventh at the University December University, Yeah, in September. Yeah, 1086 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:30.960 September twenty five, six and seven. Yeah, and like I said 1087 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.960 before, you can go to Galactic Civilizations dot org to hear more about this. 1088 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:38.880 And we need more funds, right, yes, we do anybody that 1089 01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:44.960 can. In fact, we have a fundraiser going on to raise money for 1090 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.600 the institute. We want to do some investigation and try to fund some of 1091 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:53.520 these researchers to dig into a lot more of these anomalies, and it takes 1092 01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:57.520 money, and so we've set up a kind of a special fund that if 1093 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:02.720 you donate five hundred dollars to the institute, we will give you a free 1094 01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:10.199 conference admission for the whole conference. It's worth the it's two hundred dollars at 1095 01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:14.840 the door in September. It's one hundred and twenty five if you register before 1096 01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:18.039 July the first, and it's going to be one hundred and seventy five from 1097 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:25.159 July first to August first, and then it's going to be one hundred and 1098 01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:30.520 fifty dollars from I mean one hundred and seventy five dollars from there to September 1099 01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:32.600 the twenty third, and then it comes it goes to two hundred dollars and 1100 01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:40.000 we'll give you a full conference registration where it'll entitle you to everything at the 1101 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:45.520 conference for a five hundred dollars donation. And of course if you have a 1102 01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:49.199 family and want to donate several of those where you can get you know, 1103 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.880 the whole family can get in free. So we'd appreciate anything. And if 1104 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:57.479 you don't have five hundred dollars and you've got five dollars, there'll be a 1105 01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:01.000 place on the website to go into to just send a check and uh, 1106 01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:05.159 or you can believe well, you can go down there and push the PayPal 1107 01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:10.199 button. We're out of time, so I gotta rush out, but thank 1108 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:19.119 we enjoyed it, Thank you very much. Thanks great Kim, and UH 1109 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:27.840 we'll be talking to you soon. And I'll have very posted our speaker for 1110 01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:32.000 next week because I will have a show next weekend, hope in mind. 1111 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:36.880 Uh and it'll be another great show. But thanks to Franklin, it's always 1112 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:41.439 wonderful to talk to him. Maybe we'll have him back to talk more about 1113 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:45.560 some other of his concepts. He had some great talks. But check out 1114 01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:54.319 Galactic Civilizations dot or remember Galactic Civilizations dot org for more about the Institute for 1115 01:28:54.439 --> 01:29:00.000 the Study of Galactic civilizations. Thank you everybody for joining, and you all 1116 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:05.119 I have a wonderful of your weekend and a great week and we'll be talking 1117 01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:50.880 to you soon. I appreciate that I have appreciate with that. I have 1118 01:29:50.960 --> 01:30:05.359 appreciate with that I have appreciate with you. Bang phylical bery damadana ppical by 1119 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:15.359 Damad typical probably Damada phylical proper Dambad