WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:06.719 My name is Will and unlike Molder and Scully, so we've embarked in a 2 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:21.239 journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classics. You are listening to classic 3 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:45.119 skeptic metaphysicians. Welcome to classics and skeptic medicitions. Welcome to our version over 4 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:50.759 walk down memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Medizician Library. Warts 5 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:58.320 and all. Hey, welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysician Karen, and I 6 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:00.520 says, you have you on the show again. You know, keep coming 7 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.280 back, keep coming back. I'm so glad that you do. It's always 8 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.120 a pleasure to have you. So thanks for coming. Karen, today's guest. 9 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.599 Where do I even begin. I mean, he's fortunate enough to have 10 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:12.400 had a mother who was familiar with the concept of outer body experiences from an 11 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.400 early age, so he had the freedom to kind of research it or look 12 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.400 into it starting at the age of twelve. Really wow, yeah, very 13 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.840 very young. He's had dreams that have helped him with prophecies, or not 14 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.120 prophecies, but kind of guide him in his life. For example, a 15 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.200 dream that hopefully we'll get to during the conversation today, but that actually helped 16 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.640 him to decide to move from Columbia to the United States, and we'll talk 17 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.519 a little bit about that. But he's also did a lot of researching to 18 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:41.879 what he's been experiencing and actually has trained at the Monroe Institute. And we've 19 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:46.239 talked about the Monroe's Institute a lot on the show and really really excited to 20 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:51.000 talk to him about his experience there. But rather than spending too much time 21 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:56.519 detailing his experiences before we introduce him, I'm really mostly curious about his experiences 22 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.560 with Lucid Dreaming Meet. I'm so excited about this. Yeah, probably just 23 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.239 as excited as I am. So let's not waste any more time. Please 24 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:07.680 welcome to the show today, him Lundquist Munios. Did I say that right 25 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:08.919 or did I pick up? Thanks for coming on. It's a pressure to 26 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.639 be here. Thank you. I mean the obvious question, right. We've 27 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.960 got a lot to talk about, and I hope you can get to all 28 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.560 of it because your stories as you sent them to us, I've just been 29 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:22.240 my mouth has dropped more and more every time you send me one. And 30 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.159 we'll talk about your daughter, not just so many great, great stories that 31 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:29.159 we're gonna talk about but first and foremost, talk to us about lucid dreaming. 32 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.719 What for those of our audience who may not really know what lucid dreaming 33 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.520 is, can you explain it to us in a way that it can make 34 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:43.400 sense for us? Sure, lucid dreaming, it's when you realize that you 35 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.919 are lucid, that you become lucid, and your dream when you got too 36 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.319 bad, Suddenly you start having a dream and suddenly you realize it's this a 37 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.719 dream. I'm a dreaming, So you become aware in your dream. Wait, 38 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:59.280 awareness, right, so you're actually conscious that you're having a dream, 39 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.000 that you're in the middle of a dream. Now I've heard also have you 40 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:04.919 heard can you control the dreams while you're in it? In at that point 41 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.919 because you're conscious or you just still kind of along for the ride? Right. 42 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.919 I don't want to say control of the dream because I don't think the 43 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:16.400 dreams can be controlled as they as Robert Warner. Robert Wagner says that they 44 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.520 sailor in the sea kind of control the sea, but kind of navigates the 45 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:23.800 sea. So saying we all our dreams, we don't probably go control it, 46 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.919 but we are able to learn to navigate their dreams. Kay, okay, 47 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.439 so I'm not control but manipulae. You know, I kind of work 48 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.759 around it, right right, that makes sense. Yeah. I've had a 49 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.599 couple of dreams like this, you know, before we really get into it, 50 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.879 and I sort of have a lot of bad dreams, kind of realize 51 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:43.319 it's a dream, and I keep telling myself, wake up, wake up, 52 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.759 wake up, and then I wake up? Would that be allucid dream? 53 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.360 Is that what we're talking about? So you said you're having a dream 54 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:51.840 and then you're hearing something of our wake up, wake up, wake up. 55 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:53.319 No, there's like a bad situation in the dream. I'm trying to 56 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.280 get away, and all of a sudden, it's like I realize that I'm 57 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.960 dreaming. So I'm like make myself. I'm like wake up, wake up, 58 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.599 and I feel it kind of like I'm in quicksand but eventually I wake 59 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.479 up. So would that you could turn it into a lucy dream? Any 60 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.919 kind of dreams, you can turn it when you become aware and you become 61 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.520 lucy and your dream you can change the narrative. That's why that's what people 62 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.560 say, control the dream, but you can actually change the narrative. On 63 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:18.040 your dream. If you're in a quicksand and you become aware of your dream, 64 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:23.600 then you can just by thinking of you want to be somewhere else, 65 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.319 then you will get out of that equation and then change your landscape. You 66 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.800 don't have to my case, for me, our probatiest kind of change my 67 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.240 landscape too. Let's say I want when I think about the beach, and 68 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.079 then I want to appear in the beach, you know, relaxing and having 69 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:40.360 a margarita on my side or something drinky. That sounds so much better, 70 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.720 just like wake up. We can, I know it. I'm not very 71 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.160 telling. People think that it's that's controlling the dream, but now it's actually 72 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.600 like manipulating or changing the narrative because we are able to do that, like 73 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:56.560 we are our own directors, and we can predirect our dreams into a different 74 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.920 reality. We don't have to be stuck on the quicksand and just change that 75 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.759 into something amazing. Let's say I want to take a little vacations, so 76 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:08.560 I might ask, well, I think of Italy and those gondolas, you 77 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.480 know, going do they having a little sip of wine or something and hearing 78 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.800 someone singing into you your dreams, because that's the kind of my dreams. 79 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.680 You know, I always say every time I wake up, I just came 80 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.680 back from my vacations. So nice. That is nice, so much better 81 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:24.680 than my dreams, I know. Right. Well, so then how is 82 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:30.240 it that some people can actually manipulate the dreams to use your terms and others 83 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:32.560 can't. Others are just sleeves to wherever the mind takes them. Yeah, 84 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:38.519 it depends on what when you go to sleep, what is your intention when 85 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.879 you want to have these experience it? So before I go to sleep, 86 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.160 I said my intentions, my appilimation. I go to sleep, so I 87 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.040 am putting commands on my dream. This is what I want to experience, 88 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:53.120 this is what I would like to enjoy. And I looked at, let's 89 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.399 say, at a post card of let's say Italy, and then I just 90 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.639 kind of this one like that and kind of mismerizes on video ful, we 91 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.399 will use the beautiful gondolas, the beautiful you know, I imagine like I'm 92 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:08.079 already there. So you kind of pre program yourself as you're going to sleep 93 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.600 to tell you what kind of dream you're gonna have. Yes, it's called 94 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.480 incubating the dream incubating? Gotcha is there? Has there ever been a time 95 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.680 where you have said, I'm going to be in Italy in the gondola drinking 96 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.759 the wine, and instead of the wine, it's actually a Margaret Incurvey. 97 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.319 You can you know whatever it happens, and you know what, You're just 98 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.720 going to enjoy it, start analyze same way I have. But I got 99 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.600 a wine or I got my dreamscape? Is gonna do the tear? Right? 100 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.240 Has there ever been a time when you've actually programmed yourself to be something, 101 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.480 to be somewhere or do something and you found yourself there? But then 102 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:40.319 you decided in the middle of a dream that you wanted to change it up? 103 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:43.480 You can? You can just by thinking. You can just there is 104 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.519 day Lucy dreaming, or our bikes fail. There's so many infinite possibilities we're 105 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.519 happy to get stop with one. There's many realities, many dimensions that we 106 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:55.839 can travel to and etcetera. Is this your dream? Like every night? 107 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.480 Do you programmerslf every night? Because that would be so cool? But do 108 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.399 you dream the night before you go to bed? I set up my intentions 109 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:08.199 mostly I love like, let's say, mystical experiences, like my highest self 110 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.920 something that I want to I want to go to a to an actual school 111 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.920 and learn something new. And so things like that I program myself and then 112 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.759 I don't. I don't go to too I don't put too much seriousness on 113 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.040 it. I'm playful. I want to have fun with it. And sometimes 114 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.600 I allow the landscape or the dreamer to just take me anywhere, sew meselfing, 115 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.439 amazing, whatever. So I give it free throw to my dream. 116 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.439 Do you find it to be RESTful? Do you when you wake up in 117 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.360 the morning, you feel refreshed, like you actually had a good night's rest 118 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.680 Or do you wake up going, Oh, I'm a little groggy because I 119 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.199 didn't my mind didn't really rest. Well. What happens is that when you 120 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.959 when I go to sleep, I said, body asleep, mind awake. 121 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.000 My body is resting, but you know what, the mind never rest. 122 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:54.199 The money is constantly working, so the mind is constantly working. I might 123 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:59.160 as well use it for something useful for me. Let's say creativity. Let's 124 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:03.839 say learn something new during my dream. Because we stay at thoroughware life sleeping 125 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.680 right, So so it is your mind breast. No, it's always gone 126 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.639 something working, thinking anything that you did in the day is going to be 127 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:16.120 playing out your and your mind, so might as well use your mind or 128 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:22.519 your sleep time to keep having fun and learn, grow experience something new. 129 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.839 Because if we have in the physical we learn new things, why not use 130 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.360 the non physical experiences to learn something amazing? Right, we wake up, 131 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.919 we have an information that we retreat and use it. So you're saying that 132 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.039 that everybody when they go to sleep, their mind does not shut off. 133 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.159 Their mind continues working even though you're not aware of it. Right exactly. 134 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.080 It's all about awareness, correct, And when you bring awareness, that's when 135 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.919 you are able to realize things that you can do. For instance, when 136 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.759 I become aware, I have place intentions that I want to work for an 137 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.399 astroal school to learn something new. And I do remember one time I set 138 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.519 out the intention and I asked myself, what is Lucy dreaming for? Or 139 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.639 what is aut about experiences for? And I remember that I wrote it down 140 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.080 and I put under my pillow. And then suddenly I found myself on this 141 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.279 place walking the street. I see it in building and I got I was 142 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.799 drawn to it. So I went in and there was this guy with a 143 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.840 white tunic, and I realized I'm in an astral school because I heard someone 144 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.000 said that Lucy dreaming class, and I said, oh, I am in 145 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.759 I realized I am in an astral school. So I asked, I see 146 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.519 this man in white tunic and I looked at him, and then he looked 147 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.799 at me and he said, do you have a question, and I said, 148 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.799 yes, I do. So he asked me to sit down, and 149 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.559 I sat down right at him. So he rubbed my hands and looked at 150 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.480 my eyes and said, what is your question? And I said, I 151 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.240 want to know what is Lucy dreaming about experience for? And he smile and 152 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.080 said explore, go and explore, have fun. And when he said that, 153 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.399 I smile. I looked at him. I smile, and then I 154 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.320 woke up, and then I woke up so happy. I was like, 155 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.440 yeah, it's exploded, coping fun. Yeah, so I got my aunts. 156 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.919 We're explorers. We need to explore, you know, since the conquistadores 157 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.960 everything, we always explore. So and our consciousness, our energy or energy 158 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.960 body also wants to explore, wants to learn constantly because energies information. They 159 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.240 actually know we're energy and what's inside about this energy? Do you remember your 160 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.480 dreams? Every night because so many times I wake up in the morning and 161 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:24.960 I'm refreshed, but I have no idea what I dreamt. But if you're 162 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.799 having lucid dreams, do you always remember? I have trained myself to remember 163 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.320 my dreams. But also because I keep a journal, and I since I 164 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.120 was younger, I always wrote my dreams, even if it was small, 165 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.440 whatever I remember. So I trained myself to remember my dreams. And now 166 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.440 if even if I don't write them down now, I still remember them. 167 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.159 Even if it was from two or three weeks ago, a month ago, 168 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.679 a year ago, I will still remember them because I have trained myself. 169 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.519 See, oh, it's all about training and practice. So I'm getting a 170 00:10:54.639 --> 00:11:00.480 feeling here. It feels it sounds like when you dream and you touched on 171 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.360 out of body experiences an astral projection. Well it sounds like you're saying, 172 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:09.080 is that when you go to sleep, you actually we travel out of our 173 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.480 bodies, go into the astral realm, and that that person that told you 174 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.120 that it's just you're here to have fun and explore was actually an astral beings. 175 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.519 When you say astral school, you're talking about learning something out like going 176 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.440 traveling out of your body and being out in the ether and learning something while 177 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.440 your body is sleeping, your soul is traveling that correct, Yeah, your 178 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.279 energy, body, your body, of your consciousness, whatever you want to 179 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.159 call it. I'm not much for labels, but when you step putting labels 180 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.360 and kind of it takes the experience, It kind of diminishes experience. So 181 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.879 I learned that at the Moralis if you by the way. So so yeah, 182 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:50.200 there's dimensions. There are energy systems that it's all to explore, to 183 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.879 to engage with two, three, the grades. You know, we're leaving 184 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.240 lucidity or awareness. You did, you did, You did a great, 185 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:01.480 great job. And I understand your point about labels, and I think that 186 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.679 probably we all aspire to get to the point where we can leave those labels 187 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:07.919 behind. But I find when you're first starting out, I mean, this, 188 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.360 this this world that we're exploring, and I'm not talking about this three 189 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.200 dimensional world, that this this metaphysical, mystical, spiritual realm that we are 190 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.279 exploring on the show, for example, is so daunting. It's so vast. 191 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.799 There's so much to it that you don't People don't realize how much there 192 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.320 is out there until you start looking on the rock. Suddenly you pick up 193 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.000 that rock and that's not a little a little worm under there, that's like 194 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.240 an entire colony of worms. It's it's mind blowing. So I think, 195 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.879 So I think at first, putting those labels in place, I think help 196 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.320 us to categorize in our mind. We could take the next step, and 197 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.159 then eventually I can tell you that I'm at the point where I'm starting to 198 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:52.240 remove the labels. I'm starting to find joy and the great experience in removing 199 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.480 the labels and just being open to whatever. Okay, that's exactly. It 200 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.799 may not be red or blue. It could be fu show, who knows, 201 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:00.759 but I don't care what it is, just going along with it, 202 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.600 right. But when I first start, I need to know this is red 203 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.080 and this one is blue. And that helped me categorize things and get them 204 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.120 straight in my head so that I can then move onto the next step. 205 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.279 You know what I'm saying. Yes, And you know what I learned that 206 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.840 it's whatever works for you. Yeah, because I used to I used to 207 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.039 be I used to be very analytical too, you know, because I was 208 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.559 taught that in school. I have to question this add two questions, and 209 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.360 which is okay too, you know in a way to question your own reality 210 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.080 right now. But when you want to experience this is my experience I'm speaking 211 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:33.159 of, when you want to add these experiences that are beyond, beyond the 212 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.519 mind, beyond comprehension, that you need to remove yourself from this physical body, 213 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.559 from the attachments, from their belief system, from everything that you've been 214 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.879 taught. Right, you just have to open up. That's what I've been 215 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.440 telling you. With your heart, With your heart, open up. Once 216 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.240 you open up your heart and your mind and your spirit, everything, it's 217 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:58.639 just everything is revealing to you right be the veils are coming down and INSI 218 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:03.080 beyond. I think that's key, right because I do pride myself and being 219 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.799 a scientist in mind right, an analytical and I need that physical proof. 220 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.279 I need to know for sure that this is real and not just my mind 221 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.000 playing tricks on me. Right. But I find that the more drop my 222 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:20.360 guards and just experience and allow the crazy stuff to come through, more that 223 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.600 crazy stuff comes through, and the more I learned that I don't really know 224 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.600 anything, right, The scientific mind sometimes shuts you off or limits you from 225 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.440 what you allow yourself to experience. Well, and I think there's also so 226 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.279 much more than that. Just the world does that because I think of the 227 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.120 experience of that I had. I was much younger in college and just you 228 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.120 know, kind of living my life and experiencing everything and taking it all in. 229 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.960 And then you know, you start working and you get married, and 230 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.960 you have kids and you've got to do this, and you have the schedules 231 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.440 and deadlines, and it just kind of I have sadly kind of closed off. 232 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.679 And even though I want to be back where I was, I'm not 233 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.279 quite sure how to get there. So that's the issue I'm having. So 234 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.279 I had, and I've told Will about this. I had this. I 235 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.080 don't know if it was a dream or not. Maybe you can help me 236 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.919 figure. But I remember I had spent the at a friend's house and I 237 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:01.960 was sleeping on her floor if I think she just had a twin bed, 238 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.159 you know, college we were all poor. But I had it was a 239 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.879 very very quick sort of dream where I all of a sudden everything got very 240 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.679 dark, very dark and very cold, but with like a blue tinge, 241 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.000 and I could hear like whispers, and so I just asked him, like, 242 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.200 are you real? Are you there? And then I heard someone say 243 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.279 she's not ready. And then it was like this zoom, this like energy, 244 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.279 and it woke me up and I could not even lift myself up, 245 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.000 like I had just had no strength in my body. It was the strangest 246 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.879 thing. And I've never been able to have that again. I want that. 247 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:31.720 I mean, I don't know if it was a dream or if it 248 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.879 was something happening, but I you know, it was a long time ago. 249 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.279 There is a technique that you can use to recall experiences back to you. 250 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.080 You know, you played out that in your mind again, just like 251 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.919 you just and then get in the zone with it. And that's how you 252 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.720 can get back into the experience and see what you know, what it's trying 253 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.679 to tell you. Why is what can I learn from this? There's a 254 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.799 lot of things. So just to go back link to Madika and and your 255 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.200 dream, you know what you just told me, and then fade out because 256 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.399 I don't that before that, I can go back and into the dream again 257 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.559 and it up. I've heard about that. Yeah, And I think the 258 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.240 key here, Karen is you have to meditate. It's so true, because 259 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.080 if I don't have meditation, that's that's what gets me to me into the 260 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.799 zone in between the here and now, and suddenly I start hearing the sitting, 261 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.159 the vibrations, or you know, when I get too deep, I'm 262 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:27.080 going to the sleep paralysis. Wow. Thanks Johness. I've been trying now 263 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:33.840 to not fear the sleep paralysis all of the physical sense sensations that comes along 264 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:38.039 with the phenomena, because once if you don't have the understanding of it is 265 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.639 frightening. Yeah, and we've had on the show a few weeks ago they 266 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.639 talked about that, specifically, the cheer terror, the panic that it comes 267 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.159 on her every single time she wakes up in sleep paralysis. We're getting back 268 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.919 to meditation real fast. It really is the gateway to everything. In fact, 269 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.120 it wasn't until I started meditating every day that my mind started opening up 270 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.759 to things. I just had it. I started thinking about things, and 271 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:03.120 I tell myself not to think about it, and I'm fixated. I'm not 272 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:04.640 thinking about and I'm thinking about that. That's where you're going wrong. You 273 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.200 can let it be whatever it needs to be. We'll work on that, 274 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.079 Karen. We're gonna we're gonna treat your meditation. Yeah, I'm bad. 275 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.000 Think me one, taking me one technique I switch. Yes. Also, 276 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.920 I mean this is, let's say it works for me a meditation. You've 277 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.960 got it because we're so busy now if we don't have the time to sleep 278 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.200 down and take me take for a half hour, forty minutes, one hour, 279 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:27.880 right, so you can go it works for me, this one, 280 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.759 I I have to explore on my own. I go for a walk, 281 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:37.079 and I go walking with awareness. That's meditation too, mindfulness doing it. 282 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.519 This is doing the laundry, and I'm with mindfulness and awareness that's meditation too. 283 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.160 Yeah, that's a great, great point actually that No, I don't 284 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.680 think any was made on the show before meditation is mindfulness. Meditation comes in 285 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.960 so many different forms. It's not just sitting there and going home. It's 286 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.920 actually it's it's it's the it's the complete focus on one given task. I 287 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:02.039 know people whose meditation is just right, that's they come back their meditation. 288 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:07.960 I know people whose meditation is actually reading a book or anything that that allows 289 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.359 you to shut the world off. Okay, so maybe cooking like chopping stuff, 290 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.440 Yes, I enjoy that. Now if I'm doing laundry, it's gonna 291 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.000 be a bad meditation because I'm like, why can't everybody be name. It's 292 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:18.799 that's that's theptic physician. After dark. That's a whole other we we're talking 293 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.160 about. Choose something that works for you. Cooking is a great example. 294 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:26.519 Chopping the vegetables, it's a great example. What are he's talking about when 295 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:29.640 you're when you do the laundry, you focus on the feel of the clothes, 296 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.559 the smell of the clothes, and as you're holding them, the patterns 297 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.119 that kind of thing. So don't focus on I have felt the clothes. 298 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:40.960 Rather, it's it's it's allow yourself to experience for the first time the tactile 299 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.240 things that you're doing. And I'll tell you what happens. When you do 300 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.680 that. You bring lucidity to yourself and you're also sending messages to your bring 301 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:53.240 to remember. So when you going to sleep, and because you've been working 302 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:57.039 with lucine, you're in your waking life, you're gonna bring lucidity into yours, 303 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:00.799 into your dreams too. And even thought of that. Wow. Now 304 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:04.440 I do meditate every day, but I have a hard time with mindfulness. 305 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:08.720 To me, there are two separate things, and my meditations are more about 306 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:15.759 centering and relaxation and getting myself to just be rather than focusing on I still 307 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:21.160 have a hard time with like when you eat, actually tasting the food completely, 308 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:23.400 feeling the floor going into your mouth. Those things have a hard time 309 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.079 doing with them. I need to focus on that because I do want to. 310 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.559 I do want to lucid dream and more specifically, I do want to 311 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.599 have a body experience. I really do, because I mean really, that's 312 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.559 from why my understanding this is, this is the gateway, right, Lucid 313 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.440 dreaming is the gateway into OBEs and that's so exciting to me. If you 314 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.599 once you okay, real quick, I think, nick that I do that 315 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.640 I do if I walk through my garden and I looked at the flowers with 316 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.680 details, look at everything with the details, so you know, memorizes that 317 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.000 you know the flowers, the flower where you walk in the walko without their 318 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.519 shoes to round yourself and feel their energy, the bio energy or the platt 319 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.279 rana reatheem. You know, feel like you're integrated with nature. You're one 320 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.880 with nature, You're one with everything and everyone. Once you do that, 321 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:14.960 you are inviting all those energies to help you have a better lucy dream. 322 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.720 Better to wake up consciously, your conscious evolution. It's going to start there. 323 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:23.319 When you become conscious of what you're doing, how you're conducted yourself, 324 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.079 you know, you bring that focus to your third eye, everything start opening 325 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.079 up. See, we got to integrate of to be able to become lucid 326 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.240 in our dreams. This is what I have experienced, this is what I 327 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.880 do, and he works for me perfect It's it's really something that I need 328 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.319 to work on, because I really right. I mean, the thought is 329 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:42.960 mind blowing to me. And I just have to tell you for the first 330 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.920 time in any of these interviews, I'm sitting here taking notes. I can 331 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.519 remember all this stuff. I love that. The thing is that everyone can 332 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.799 do this. And if we are taught in schools and churches all these things 333 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.680 early age, if we so easy for us, my thought is busy, 334 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.839 since you're three years old, I have in keeping her you or no or 335 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.160 recording or sometimes you know, she works up until we had dreams. So 336 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.839 so early age children should be taught this. And if they're taught these things 337 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:18.359 growing up, they will not have problems with emotional traumas, with nightmares, 338 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.079 with anything that comes with everything around. They will be able to cope with 339 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:26.240 everything that comes their way with you know, with whatever the world throws at 340 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:32.920 you, they will be able to have better understanding and manage their life and 341 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:38.079 be more centered and with more luciity be able to handle things. And maybe 342 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:42.200 they can do like you didn't and ask those questions and get answers. Yes, 343 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.000 you know. And that's how I had guided my life. My life 344 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.680 has been guided through my lucy dream, my auto body experiences. Like Will 345 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.359 was say in the beginning, you know, I wanted to come to United 346 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:55.880 States. I asked my dream, my dream where it is the best place 347 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:57.519 for me to live? Show me? And then I went to sleep. 348 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:02.319 And then I see myself walking nail and as I walk with the stars on 349 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:06.200 the payment and then I see this Chinese building. The next day, I 350 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:10.480 see a moving with those characteristics and I know, uh huh, I'm going 351 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.799 to the fanculate. Wow. Yeah. And not just that, but you 352 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.160 actually had messages that were more earth shaking to you within your dreams, right, 353 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.920 So from what you told me your daughter before she came into your life, 354 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.000 came to you in dreams or tell us about that. We need to 355 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.680 take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation on 356 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:45.839 the skeptic metaphysicians, and now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. You actually had 357 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:51.559 messages that were more earth shaking to you within your dreams, right, So 358 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.200 from what you told me, your daughter before she came into your life, 359 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:57.240 came to you in dreams or tell us about that. Yeah, me and 360 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.680 my husband, we well wanted to our children, you know, but there's 361 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:06.640 no way that's so. What happened is that I had this feeling that we 362 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.640 wanted to be parents, but you know, and and one night it came 363 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.200 to me in my dream, this many white tunic, it looked like a 364 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.720 doctor. It took me actually flying to another place where there was some nurses, 365 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.440 and they had me a baby. So when I woke up, I 366 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.279 told Bill, we're gonna be parents, and he kind of says, you 367 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:27.599 know, So the next day they That night I prayed for confirmation. I 368 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:32.400 said, Lord, if it's meant to be too for us to be parents, 369 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.519 gave me confirmation. That night I had the same jury, and I 370 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.400 woke up, I told Bill, we're gonna be parents. Get ready started 371 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.599 putting much awake, gecause we're going to be parents. A few weeks a 372 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.039 few weeks, you know, I met the surrogaate mother. She worked with 373 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.519 me. We talked about something you know, about kids, and I said, 374 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.519 no, we can't have kids. She has already three kids for kids 375 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.279 something like that. And then she said, so you want to be parents, 376 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.000 and say, yes, I do. Something happened to her that somebody 377 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.640 shifted on her. And then she looked at me and said, you know, 378 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.240 I always wanted to be a sorrow game mother. I'll do it for 379 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.799 you guys. Wow. And that's and that's how it happened. And then 380 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.519 within a year Margaret Wow. And then the even freakier part was that when 381 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.160 she was two two and a half, she actually said to you that she 382 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.519 had chosen you as her parents. When she was two and a half, 383 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.680 we were ready to take her to bed, and she said to us that 384 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:25.400 she came from far I still remember the worlds more of war by word. 385 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.000 I came from far, far away. I passed the moon, the star, 386 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.400 the song, and planets. Her words were coming out so clear at 387 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.279 two and a half. Wow. Yes, And she looked at us and 388 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.759 her eyes were like brinking, and she said that she picked us us her 389 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:44.000 parents and me and my hut friand looked at her like, oh, and 390 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.400 my heart was beating and his was just in tears. And then she said 391 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.599 that the other children waiting to come to hers, and they're like little balls 392 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.680 of life. Have me too. I love these stories. That reminds me 393 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.119 a little bit of what Sienna said. She was three, and so I 394 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.400 had her when I was forty one, so I was a lot older. 395 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:03.079 And she, you know, just kind of walked up to me and she 396 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.559 had you know, she's three. She doesn't know anything about ages or anything. 397 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:07.440 And she said, Mom, why did you wait so long to have 398 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.440 me? There you go? Oh, I just got goose fus of myself. 399 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.279 I felt your energy of that story. Yes, well, these kids 400 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.559 are a lot more close to spirit than than grown ups. Right. For 401 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:23.160 some reason, we find that we add these filters to ourselves between us and 402 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.279 the spirit as we get older. Yeah, well that's all that kids in 403 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:32.240 our mind. The kids kids coming the children now are coming back with all 404 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:37.440 their they knowledge, all that knowledge. When she Margray was about four, 405 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.680 when I picked her up for kindergarten, taking her home in the car, 406 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.880 she she set something behind me. I see colors out here, And I 407 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.480 said, where she goes out here out there outside. And then she said, 408 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:52.680 wait, that's a spirit. It's like a rainbow Saturday. And she 409 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.480 said, oh, Papa Highway, I am a rainbow spirit. Out of 410 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.559 my body, that's my spirit. And I am a rainbow spirits. Great, 411 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.079 what's a rainbow spirit? Wow? So I went and google it. 412 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:08.480 You know, rainbow children. Then I read that there is an Indigo children, 413 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:14.079 the crystal children. Now the children that are here now they're rainbow children. 414 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.079 How did she know that? Wow? If you google it you can 415 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.759 find rainbow children. Rainbow Yeah. And they call with clarity, they speak 416 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:26.720 clear, they know things that are beyond I was. I got just like, 417 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.480 oh my goodness. Now I know that they send her to me for 418 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.799 that reason. So I'm trying to do my best to educay her on all 419 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.359 these things because that's what she is the right person, right, And that's 420 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.200 the most remarkable thing. That the story is amazing. I mean, so 421 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.200 it's a remarkable story and it does bring goosebumps, especially the two of you 422 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.839 couldn't have couldn't have kids, excuse me, sorry, couldn't have kids. 423 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:52.279 This little girl shows you his parents so found a way to get herself to 424 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.160 be your daughter and then came to you and dreams saying I'm coming, get 425 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:59.400 ready because I'm coming. I mean, that's that's amazing. That's one thing 426 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.599 too that I was able to understand that that was the reason why I had 427 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.839 a dream live in Colombia, because if I have not left Colombia, design 428 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.160 happen, right. So everything was guided for me. Everything was provided for 429 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.720 me when I came from from Colombia to the United States. Even the family 430 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.799 I was going to be with when I came to United States, they Collin 431 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.599 gram and Grandpa. They were amazing to me. They were lobbying and and 432 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.160 then from me to school giving a job. I was guided. I was 433 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.440 I was taking care of and you were in your early twenties or twenty years 434 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.039 old when you came. So do you when when you have these dreams, 435 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.079 I mean, do you ever if it's a dream that's kind of giving you 436 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.759 guidance, you know, like like moving to California, do you ever question 437 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.519 them? Or like are you anxious when you're making the actual decisions in real 438 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.160 life or do you feel pretty confident? Oh, when I'm when I make 439 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.079 decisions in real life, I do ask my dream, my dreamer or my 440 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.160 questions. I posted the inquiries for anything to make decisions. For instance, 441 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.279 when I worked at a restaurant and I was ready to move on and something 442 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.759 happen with a customer that didn't had a will, and I had it, 443 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.640 and I went into the free set in the restaurant and I dropped myself on 444 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.000 my knees and I started crying first opening my heart, and I said, 445 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.119 Lord, make me a businessman. I don't know anything about business, but 446 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.400 I know you put the right people in my life that will help me become 447 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.400 a business owner. And that night I was working out another place too, 448 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.240 as far as I must ask two jobs at a time. And suddenly that 449 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.559 night I trimmed that the place where I work was going to be mine. 450 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.400 And in my dream they showed me to go and touch it and say it's 451 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.519 mine. Mine catch raiser's mind, Customers are mine, money is mine. 452 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.599 Everything is mine. So the next day I woke up, I went early, 453 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.960 I said, in the morning, and I started touching everything. What's 454 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.839 crazy? What's happenings me? Sir? Can you take your hands off my 455 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.440 face? Yeah? Basically you know what one thing that to another one? 456 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.359 And yeah, I definitely wow. If they ownerst call me. The owners 457 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.279 call me and they say we're gonna sell it business to you, and said, 458 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:56.880 I'll be right back. Because I didn't any money, go back to 459 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.359 sleep. Show me how I get the mine, and you know what. 460 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.440 That night, I was shown how to move money around from one credit card 461 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.799 for another one for money in the bank. Get ready with your certificates, 462 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.440 they show. I was seeing everything, maybe because I was so anxious and 463 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:17.119 so no anxious as a desperate but happy I was motivated. I was eager 464 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:21.119 that I got changed my life. I got into something incredible because I can't 465 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.519 be working at the restaurant more for the rest of my life. Nothing wrong 466 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.319 with that, but I was I felt inside they my higher self was guiding 467 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.559 me, telling me it's time for you to move move on, and you're 468 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.519 more than what you're doing. So I went did what my dream showed me. 469 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.680 I went to the bank. I moved money from credit cards for money 470 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.400 in the bank, to show that I have financials and this so when the 471 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.559 time calling, why they offered me a business they wanted to. They gave 472 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.440 me the offer how much they wanted and I remember what in my dream it 473 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.759 was a number that they gave me to offer them. So I offered them 474 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.480 what my dream told me. It was so little. They had said that 475 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:02.400 it wow. So it became my business and then I have to deal with 476 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.160 they with with the least for them more get the least. And that's when 477 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.279 they wanted financial I already have started up. I showed it to them. 478 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.160 They asked me, why do you think we should give you the least? 479 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.200 Somehow, soppings to cover me and I started speaking. My avis wasn't a 480 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.559 gat at the time, so this was like twenty years ago. So I 481 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.440 said, there's a lott of bitsins around. All these people work playing offices. 482 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.559 They need a massage. They're tired, they're ready for a night's relaxing 483 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.000 massage. And I can provide that. And they gave me fixteen minutes and 484 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.960 they gave me the least. They say is yours, and that changed from 485 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.079 their wonderful It's good that you didn't say when I asked you, why do 486 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:38.240 you want? Why should we give you the lease? It's good you didn't 487 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.720 say because I dreamed that you were dreaming the pack. It said, oh, 488 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.599 because I dreamed that, get it to get it to me now. 489 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.640 Don't you understand what's yours is yours? You know, no matter what. 490 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.039 My mother used to say that all the time, that's what it was. 491 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.200 But then my mom says the same thing. Yep, yeah exactly. So 492 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.000 oh my gosh, we haven't even scratched the surfaces so much that we have 493 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.319 to talk about. We're already for the minutes. And so I got from 494 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.880 the skeptic the physician standpoint, and I've got to ask the question, even 495 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:04.680 though we all know the answer, I've got to ask the question. Could 496 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.839 you're lose a dreaming? Could that just be your mind playing tricks on you? 497 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.759 Like, is it something that maybe you think you're controlling your dreams, 498 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.079 but actually you wake up thinking you're thinking you're manipulating it, but actually was 499 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.519 manipulating you. Any thoughts along those lines, or maybe the dreams that you're 500 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.440 having were pure coincidences. What are your thoughts on things like this? My 501 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:29.960 opinion, I think it it could be over higher self directing things like a 502 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.480 game, you know, and see how we react and how we play the 503 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.480 game, so you know, I might as well play the game if she 504 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.400 wants me to play this game, or moving money around. Let's see what 505 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.400 I'm gonna do it, and see, if I'm gonna play the game to 506 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.279 win it, then I'm gonna play it right. So that is a game, 507 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.960 and enjoy it the way with a smile in your faith, the way 508 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.720 with yes, I win. I can do it, you know, And 509 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.720 then you know what happens is that portolo opportunities opens up for you and more 510 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.400 more. There's more possibilities to choose from. So do you choose this one? 511 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.359 Maybe you're not gonna make it. Do you choose the other one? 512 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.359 They said the door, Oh, there's the winning, winning door in the 513 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.200 game, and you gotta to play it. And if there's one thing that's 514 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.680 coming through loud and clear for you and everything that you're telling us is it's 515 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:20.200 a sheer joy of life that you're experiencing, Like I feel it coming through 516 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.119 the camera in the in the microphone cheer for. It's a playroom, it's 517 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.119 a playground. In order to in order to play a right, you've got 518 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.319 to be like a child. They have fun with it and smile and jump 519 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.960 uffing down and say yes, yes, that's what I do. At the 520 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.319 end of the day, it's a choice, right, you can choose to 521 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.640 just say there's nothing else out there and it's all my head and just keep 522 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:44.880 keep your life just kind of bitter and sad and angry and frustrated, and 523 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:45.720 at the end of it you die. And at the end of it, 524 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.799 or you can be opened to possibilities and even if it's not real, have 525 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.920 fun while you're experiencing. Exactly the thing is that we were giving a great, 526 00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:01.000 great mechanism tools instead of to use him news and for over on benefit, 527 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:07.160 over on happiness. We don't we get so much attached to the outcomes 528 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.880 of things, the materials that make us blind to see the beauty of everything 529 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.519 and the happiness and the joy. Why should we remove all of that? 530 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.680 Your perception changes, because it's all about perception. And when your perception changes 531 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:24.359 to more positive vibration, everything else vibrates. Are you all paid up what 532 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.559 you're choosing to be? Right? So that's what I discover. You're moving 533 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.880 expectations, just moving expectations and allow things to grow with the energy. And 534 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.440 guess what, that's the same principle you use in meditation. Well, not 535 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.319 able to meditate, we're able to connect with the WiFi of the universe. 536 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:47.119 We start getting downloads, we start getting knowledge with stout, getting how to 537 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.880 live life. I think we found accessing the WiFi of the universe. I 538 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.920 love that, al I upbraiding my cell phone myself. But yeah, you 539 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.440 know what, Okay, this is how I know that you get grades. 540 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.319 A month ago, I was meditating, you know, and suddenly I started 541 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.599 feeling these vibrations and something went through my spine off to my head like a 542 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.920 current. And I was like jolting out, Oh my god, Oh I 543 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.320 can't control this. But I knew it was something new to me. I 544 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:21.480 knew experience because of my training with LI paralysis vibrations. I have learned from 545 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:27.480 William Bowman and the More Institute to stay calm and just enjoyed the process. 546 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.639 So I did that, and I felt like I was being upgrading. I 547 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.159 still said, my brain, my neurons. When I ranged, they were 548 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.159 connecting with each other. Something finally white that better. But what I noticed 549 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:43.920 was I started feeling more confident to speak in clubhouse about Lucy dreaming. Because 550 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.519 I didn't speak about this before publicly or making myself visible. I was kept 551 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.880 everything for myself or my friends, just to share my friends or family. 552 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.599 This is the first time I'm actually sharing fublically. But when I had the 553 00:34:54.760 --> 00:35:00.199 experience, something happened that I felt like I needed to share this because if 554 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.480 I don't share this, then other people are not going to benefit from who 555 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.760 we are, for where we are, and we are more than this physical 556 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.800 about it. There's so much of all energy powerful inside of us that you 557 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.039 all together, put together, we can light up the whole universe. I 558 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.400 like that and being if some people helps that so exactly. That's when I 559 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.679 feelt that I needed to become a server too, because it's not right that 560 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.519 I'm getting all these downloads, all this information and I'm not shared, then 561 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.639 I'm missing my blessings and I'm missing the blessings for other people. Well, 562 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.840 and that's one of the many reasons were gratefully you decided to come on the 563 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.639 show to help share that message because it's so important, especially nowadays, to 564 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.960 get get the people plugged into the Wi Fi because the planet seems like it's, 565 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.599 yeah, it's out of service or something so exactly, and you say 566 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.599 that right, if out of service and we need to go back online, 567 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.199 because if we don't go back online, our planet can't just energetically die. 568 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:58.360 And when the energy the energy is not moving and get starting it. What 569 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.800 happens you're ratting die. So it's my responsibility to share this too, that 570 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.599 if we don't get back on touch with our higher self and back on line 571 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.519 with then what's going to happen to the whole planning? Right? Right? 572 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.039 So we are so quickly running at a time. But but I ask you 573 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.840 about the Monroe Institute because it's such a like that's the nirvana of people like 574 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.000 us, right, who you got the opportunity to train? Now? Did 575 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:28.280 you go to Virginia to train at the Monroe Institute? Yes? Where my 576 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.079 friend Karen, she came to New York and she mentioned the Monroe Institute excited 577 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.880 because she's also a Lucy Dream and an autobad experience expert. And she said, 578 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:39.880 hi, mate, I met her through my Facebook group and so she 579 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.480 came to visit me California, stay with me, and so you know, 580 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:46.599 I'd say, well, money is me provided, so let's go. And 581 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:52.000 so I had the opportunity to be there for two weeks intensive auto body Experience 582 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.199 with William Willman and that was the best workshop I ever take and it changed 583 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.880 my life because I learned so much about how to deal with the sleep paralysis 584 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.360 by race, and that was the most important thing that people wants to know 585 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.000 how to get rid of that fear so they can have a better auto body 586 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.119 experiences. So that was one of the things that I'm grateful for. And 587 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.639 also that I learned new techniques. I was able to understand more about my 588 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.079 what was happening my experiences, and so I recommend to more to go to 589 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.760 the more rastitute. I have that experience because it's very crucial for us to 590 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:30.000 educay our salves read book. I have a talents of book, talents of 591 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.960 book out of body experience, even learning to read fast quick. You know, 592 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.199 I have so many books I need to learn to read fast. So 593 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.079 I need to and you did send me a lot of the books from William 594 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.079 Wollman, and we'll add a lot. We'll add direct links to those in 595 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.079 our show notes that people can actually access them easily. But so so your 596 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:51.639 class that your workshop at the Maroon Student was about getting over the fear of 597 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.239 sleep paralysis, right, But they also offer training literally how to leave your 598 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.400 body, how to astro projective. They do they do all kinds of different 599 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.159 workshops. No institute is really that's like the place. If you want to 600 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.000 learn how to do this place it place, Yes, And I also we 601 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.039 practice with binarial beats. Yeah I have. I learned about binormal beats a 602 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.039 while back, and I downloaded an app on my phone to try to use 603 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.039 them. And I don't know whether I believe in them or not, but 604 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:21.000 I can tell you there's something to them because when I use them to try 605 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.760 to go to sleep, I fall into a deep sleep very very easily, 606 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.119 and it helps me sleep till the night. But I'm really if you're out 607 00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.719 there you're listening to this and you are an expert in binaural beats, I 608 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:36.280 would love to pick someone's brain that knows how they work, because you can 609 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:40.880 use binormal beats for all kinds of things learning, memorization, focus, sleep, 610 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.679 And now I'm hearing out of body experiences and all kinds of mystical experiences. 611 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.760 So I'm really curious. I really want to find someone who knows a 612 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.840 lot about THEOM. So if you know Abouttom, please reach out because I 613 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:52.679 love to have you on the show to talk about this stuff. Yeah, 614 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.719 that's pretty helpful before we change the subject too much. And you mentioned all 615 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.440 of these books, so for someone like me who really has no experience but 616 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.519 wants to learn about it, wants to be able to do this. What 617 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.480 book would you recommend as a good starting point. Okay, for me, 618 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:13.800 I like the one from Claire Johnson. This one, it's very complete book 619 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.199 of Lucy Dreaming. That one it's my it's like my Bible. And then 620 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.880 of course William Wollman's Adventures Beyond the Body and the Secrets of this and this 621 00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:29.079 one from my friend Robert Peterson is an also in my astro group in Facebook. 622 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.400 He wrote this book. It is a great one, hacking the autobi 623 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.079 experience. I looked at all these books and they go these are perfect for 624 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:43.559 beginners for advance for it's very well retten and experiences. So I recommend to 625 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.719 start. And Robert Wagner, of course they Lucy Dreaming. There. I 626 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.199 send you a list so you can help it. But those are my favorite 627 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.239 books that have been recently with me my experiences, and they're just great to 628 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.920 start with, right thinking, thanks for that question. They've got to bring 629 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.440 up because long time ago I read Bob Monroe's book Journeys out of the Body 630 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.559 because I really, like I mentioned, I really wanted to do this. 631 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.599 I wanted to be able to find a way to travel out of my body. 632 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.599 In that book, he talks about entities that are out in the astral 633 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.800 plane that maybe don't have your best interest in minds. You gotta be really 634 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.760 careful about stuff like that. Now, have you encountered anything crazy like that, 635 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.159 like what Bob Monroe talks about the book, Oh, that's kind of 636 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:23.840 freaking that's why. That's why you stopped trying. Actually, honestly, when 637 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.760 I got to that part of the book and said, maybe I don't really 638 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.320 do this, heard about that before. It's here from the expert. You 639 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.119 know, I have encountered that. But once you remove the fear, it's 640 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.119 just they don't do anything to you because the way you had to fear, 641 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.599 you emanate that energy and you attract them. But when you when you're trying, 642 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.000 you're telling that you had the fear, it's like you there's a shield 643 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.199 that Dad protects you, and they got they couldn't even see you. So 644 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.840 my experience, I had seen myself flying through a tunnels or something, and 645 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.920 I see I have seen that gray you know, those gray gray aliens or 646 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.719 something, and I can't see I'm looking at them, but they don't see 647 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.800 me. Oh my gosh. No. And I feel protected. I feel 648 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.519 there's a shield around me. And you can do that. You can surround 649 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.480 yourself with a shield of golden lie wide light whatever it is. I think 650 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.679 i'd be afraid, and also I'm not. I'm afraid that. That's why 651 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.880 he went to this class to learn how to give rid of the fee the 652 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.400 first time. Or did you ever encounter them when you were afraid and it 653 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.000 was scary before all that? Yes, I encountered them, of course, 654 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.360 I can say. You know, when the fear takes over you, you 655 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:29.239 wake them up, you know, do you send out alert that you're around? 656 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.199 So what you know? I just screamed to wake up. See that 657 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.880 would be like my dreams, wake up, wake up. Yeah. Yeah, 658 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.679 you train yourself, you know, because you know you shouldn't give up 659 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.599 because of the fear of his encounters. Yes, they can be frightening you. 660 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:44.920 That's kind of a can't I can't. I got a lot. I 661 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.639 gotta be honest with you about that. That is that has been a barrier 662 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.719 to me moving forward with it because of that part of the book. I'm 663 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:53.880 telling you. When I got to that part of the book I stopped reading 664 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.880 and I stopped telling me. Yeah, And that's why I learned myself. 665 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.760 I learned that when we had those fears, we also place out in our 666 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.639 real life fears that you're talking about where we else, fears play out in 667 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.440 our real lives in anything we do. We feel like, oh if I 668 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.400 do this, oh what's gonna happen? And then we retreat. Oh no, 669 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.679 you know, so that stop us from becoming even more so, could 670 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.840 those grays or whatever you call them, Could those be like a different present 671 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.800 of what's happening in real life. It can't be a representation also of what's 672 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:29.880 happening in your life. So when I myself, I came to that self 673 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.760 realization and stop not putting fear on those things, I noticed that more things 674 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.840 were manifesting here on the physical for more manifesting my relationship, my kid, 675 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.760 my business, my house. Things were happening. Even being here with you 676 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.360 right now, it's a manifestation for me. There's so much that we can 677 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.079 talk about. Someone wants to continue the conversation with you. The best place 678 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.880 probably on clubhouse, right, yeah, clubhouse pace for most house about us 679 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:59.320 in dreaming, Yes, Okay, sadly we're out of time. You're just 680 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.960 giving them so many great, great tips today. If anybody wants to continue 681 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.519 the conversation with him, I invite you to reach out to him on Instagram 682 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.400 at him Lundquist Munios. I'll add that in our show notes as a direct 683 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.000 link, so you can connect with him directly. Also, I can't recommend 684 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.480 enough. He's got two Facebook groups that he recommended to us and I checked 685 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.239 them out and it looked really cool. I'm going to join them today him, 686 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.480 so let you're aware it's Lucid Dreaming Club is and the other one group 687 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.599 and the other group is astral Beings. So Facebook dot com slash groups slash 688 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.960 astral Beings, any other one is groups slash Lucid Dreaming Club. Invite you 689 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.960 to join those if you're interested in the topic because the conversations that they're having 690 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.400 on there are remarkable. And of course if you are on Clubhouse, absolutely 691 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.960 look him up Him Lundquist Munios. I will add also all that information in 692 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.679 the show notes for you. Thank you so much him if coming on the 693 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.760 show giving us all this information. You are a wealth of knowledge in this 694 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.280 space. And I encourage anyone who's interested in lucid dreaming or out of body 695 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.400 experiences to connect with him, because he is not only just a joy to 696 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.320 talk to, leisure to be around through the internet. Yeah. Absolutely, 697 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.440 anytime your smile lights up the room and the knowledge that the optimism, the 698 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.360 hope, it's really wonderful. So thank you, Thank you so much for 699 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:22.599 coming. Really appreciate that to make approphetic and a huge thank you to you. 700 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.480 Yes, you the person that hit play on this episode. We know 701 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.400 that there are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come 702 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.360 along on our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor for us. 703 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.159 We hope you've enjoyed this conversation as much as we have. 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