1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,119 in the UK and around the world. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 3 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:36,159 Network. Hello, is that the famous Astronova, Sir Patrick Wall, It 4 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:44,679 is very much so. Any mules on the space front. So Elus has 5 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:51,560 just designed and developed five igantic steadily art rocket ships. All members have pollowed 6 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,840 along with the American Senate, have first class tickets of all them. You 7 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:03,000 see they're told they're going to the moon. Who exact where where they going? 8 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:10,439 Sir Patrick? Then you are normally discover pliciously astronomosis, a huge black 9 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:52,959 hole. Welcome to Twin Souls. Twin Souls has brought to you an association 10 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,599 with a power normal UK radio network. Your host's Philippo Morale kin Seller. 11 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:02,079 Now our next guests today are on Twin Souls. Needs no introduction. It's 12 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:08,599 no other than Philip Mantle, veteran neupologist, author and researcher and also doctor 13 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,080 Arena mccannon Scott, who is the author of many books and has a secured 14 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,680 reputation within a field of UFO research. And we're here to talk about their 15 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,439 new book another book on Pascagoulacord Beyond Reasonable Doubt, the Pasca Goouler Aileen abduction, 16 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,800 and the forward by this book is sadly from Calvin Parking, who has 17 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,360 not long passed over. So hello, Philip and Irena, how are you 18 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:38,000 both? Good evening gentlemen? Fine, thank you, great, wonderful. 19 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,879 So I mean, tell us a little bit more about this book. I 20 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,800 mean, this book is absolutely incredible. One of the reasons I state that 21 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,800 is because it's a really big, big tune and it's filled with so much 22 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:58,479 information and new data involved with the Mississippi UFO abduction with Calvin Parker and also 23 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,879 Charles Hixon. So what is unique about this new book that you brought forward? 24 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,800 Well, it began when I started working with Calvin Parker back in twenty 25 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:16,319 eighteen. Calvin hadn't told his story about his involvement in full about the events 26 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,680 in pascagoul Or on October the eleventh, nineteen seventy three. So I worked 27 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:30,479 with Calvin and published his first book was Pascagoula The Closest Encounter, followed that 28 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:38,080 up the year afterward. Pascagoula The story continues what happened much to our surprise. 29 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,479 Maybe we shouldn't have been surprised, but we were. Were a the 30 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:52,039 amount of other witnesses that we either managed to obtain information about or who stepped 31 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:57,199 forward themselves. There was a mixture of that. And then Calvin, you 32 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,199 know, slowly started to reveal other bits of the story. For example, 33 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:10,639 we found out that Charles Hixon, the other gentleman involved, had been put 34 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:17,240 under hypnosis with Bud Hopkins twice in the nineteen eighties, several years apart. 35 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:24,040 Calvin himself went under hypnosis with Bud Hopkins in nineteen ninety three. It was 36 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:30,319 all totally new to us. But what kicked it all off, gentlemen, 37 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:35,680 was when Calvin's first book came out, he was interviewed by a local journalist 38 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:41,680 called Karen Nelson, a lovely lady, and not only did she interview him, 39 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,800 she made a small film, you know, seven or eight minutes long, 40 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,079 Calvin wandering down by the river, this is where they happened, and 41 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:57,519 so on. Eventually, somebody put that little piece of film on YouTube, 42 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,959 and I was scanning through the messag on it one day, and there was 43 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:08,959 one message and it said my mother and father were on the opposite side of 44 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:15,040 the river that night, they too saw the UFO, so that certainly grabbed 45 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:20,759 my attention. Fortunately, this person had used a real name and I managed 46 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:27,079 to locate her on Facebook and I explained who I was and what I was 47 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,959 doing, and could we speak to her mother and father. I'll get back 48 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,920 to you, and they came back to yes, and it's mister and missus 49 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:41,199 Blair, Jerry and Maria. So we got the phone number. I rang 50 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,879 them up and Jerry didn't want to speak much. Maria told us that they'd 51 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,680 been on the opposite side of the river that night because mister Blair he worked 52 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:55,319 on the oil rigs, you know, he was an engineer. He was 53 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,600 going out in a boat. The boat was there, but he was waiting 54 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,800 for his supervisor. It was late, so they were in the car waiting, 55 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,720 you know, having her little nap, and then she says, what 56 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,000 we saw this thing come down the river. She said, at first I 57 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,519 thought it's an aeroplane, but she said, I knew there was no landing 58 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,680 field in that area. There's no air strip. But she says, then 59 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:25,079 it started making these erratic movements as if it was either looking for something or 60 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,120 it was lost, and it was blue in color and out of the blue. 61 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:35,360 She said, we decided to put my husband's clothing on the boat, 62 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:41,800 and we walked down the pier. He was in front of her, and 63 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,560 she said, as I'm walking down the pier, there is this gray man 64 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:51,079 that was her words in the water, and it popped up out of the 65 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,199 water in front of her, and then it disappeared back whence it had came. 66 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,920 And she never saw it resurface. So she ran to the boat, 67 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,920 chut the clothes on it. She ran back to the car frightened. So 68 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,720 at this point I left it there and I passed it on to Irena. 69 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,680 I asked Irene and if she would help, because I was ringing people in 70 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:17,800 uh, you know, in the States. They didn't know who I was, 71 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:23,800 this strange sounding fellow from across the Atlantic, you know, ringing at 72 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:29,639 the wrong time and things like that. So I knew obviously I had published 73 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:34,160 earing his books. I knew of a knewer. So Irena, you take 74 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:36,920 it from there. With the Blairs, well, he gave me the name 75 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:44,480 Maria Blair, and she was the first person I interviewed. And first of 76 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:48,360 all I talked to miss mister Blair very briefly, and he said something about 77 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:55,600 a big splash and a lamp. But he was at that time was a 78 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:01,079 skeptic, and you know, think the thing was weird. No, so 79 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,800 he didn't talk about So he gave the phone to her, and she started 80 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,920 telling me about seeing this about. You know, they were waiting for their 81 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,600 supervisor and everything, sitting there in the car and that she saw this thing 82 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,839 flying around and he was asleep and she couldn't figure out what it was, 83 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,399 and she said it was just randomly going around. There was no airport there 84 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,399 or anything, and she kept saying it was searching for something, or the 85 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:31,200 pilot was lost or something. She couldn't figure it out. So then he 86 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,759 decided to put his clothes in the ship. It was around nine o'clock, 87 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,519 and so they were walking down the pair with him in front and she was 88 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,919 walking around behind him. This thing that looked just like a man flopped up 89 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,440 right in front of her and then went back down. And she was really 90 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:54,360 terrified and she couldn't figure out why it didn't come out up for air again. 91 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,720 And she kept watching and he kept telling her, you're crazy, And 92 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,440 so they went onto the ship. Well then about twelve, which seemed, 93 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:09,279 you know, a little bit later she was coming back and she was terrified 94 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,480 and ran back to the car. And we wrote and talked for about about 95 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,600 two years maybe, and she was just filled with emotion about this thing that 96 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,200 flopped up on the on the pair, but she didn't know why. And 97 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:33,039 then finally her husband was became mail unfortunately, and later he died. But 98 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,360 just before he went on the ventilator and when you were on that you can't 99 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:41,320 talk, he told her that they had been abducted, and he remembered the 100 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:46,279 thing in detail, but he hadn't wanted her to know anything about it, 101 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:52,879 and he had always kept quiet because people think they were both crazy and everything. 102 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,919 So he remembered he called one the doctor, and he saw him swimming 103 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:07,039 back across the Pascagoula afterwards, and you know, remember it in detail. 104 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,919 So she was kind of shocked. I mean, anybody if your husband been 105 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,519 skeptic or her whole life and unixus, Oh you're abducted. Well you know. 106 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,840 So the other thing is Irena, is that you're you're also your you're 107 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,360 instrumental within the UFO field and it's just incredible hell. And if if you 108 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,759 know Phlip mental hadn't had contacted Calvin Parker when he did, I mean, 109 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,440 all of this information would never have surfaced. I just think it's incredible that 110 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:45,039 you know, you have a scientist on it as well, because you're change 111 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,639 to the UFO field investigations anyway, because you were you were with the battel 112 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:52,120 and Arena. Thank you very much, gentleman. I always thought was a 113 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:58,080 scientist. Oh you mean well, I mean technically speaking on a theoretical level. 114 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,600 I mean, you know, yes, you're a scientist. The thing 115 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:03,559 that interests me about this is very haunting, as I didn't know about the 116 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,159 creature or the man, the figure that rose up and then went back down. 117 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,000 It's very haunting. It's got this case has a kind of aquatic feel 118 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,200 to it, the whole thing. I mean, it's all by water, 119 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,200 and the creature actually within the water. Of course, he didn't come back 120 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,600 up to take a breath. And this is what horrified it would anyone. 121 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,720 And then the fact of her husband, with all due respect, on his 122 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:31,120 deathbed, to say that basically you know, there was an encounter with these 123 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,440 things. It's very horrifying, isn't it is it is? I mean, 124 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,200 what happened gentlemen, was mister Blair. You know, it didn't die over 125 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,279 night, you know, it was spread out, so it was telling Maria. 126 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,720 It's like a protracted deathbed confession. But at one point he was going 127 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,399 to have a small operation and he wasn't sure, you know, what the 128 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,840 outcome might be, and he insisted on speaking to me from his hospital bed, 129 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,559 and Marie I had to use the mobile phone and I spoke to him, 130 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,679 and then she filmed him and he says, only on this piece of 131 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,159 film, and we have it. You know, I saw the same as 132 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:13,159 my wife. And you know, he said he lied all those years. 133 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:20,919 And of course what Irene spotted was that they went to put his clothes on 134 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,759 the boat about nine o'clock, but when she returned it was twelve. It 135 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:31,039 was midnight, so there was three hours that couldn't account for. And like 136 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:37,120 Irene said, when she spoke about this, Maria was very emotional. So 137 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,120 sadly mister Blair passed away. And then later on Maria talked about hypnosis. 138 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,840 She knew Calvin and Charlie had gone under hypnosis. So we at first declined 139 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,399 because she was still grieving for her husband, but then she asked again and 140 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,919 I said, okay, let's see what we can do. So I contacted 141 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:05,039 a few hypnotherapists in the area. One agreed a professional hypnotherapist. She was 142 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:13,120 named Crystal Slaughter, and the hypnosis was arranged to take part at Calvin's house 143 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:22,080 because Maria knew that Calvin had undergone hypnosis. So this was September last year. 144 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,759 I believe her thereabouts and she went under hypnosis and we had it filmed 145 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:33,440 as well. We had it professionally filmed. And what was in the book, 146 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,320 yeah, this is all in the book. What we didn't do, 147 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,240 gentlemen, is if we didn't tell the hypnotherapist anything, she had no idea 148 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,639 what we were going to be talking about. She knew a date, a 149 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,240 time, and a location and that was it. And of course Marias again 150 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,639 is emotional in parts. But she talked about the creatures, the aliens whatever 151 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,759 you want to call them, interested in her DNA. They wanted to have 152 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:05,240 her eggs and the reason for that was to create beings that could walk amongst 153 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,879 us unnoticed. They looked just like you and I. But what she did 154 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:18,639 say was that the abduction it was for her and Jerry, not Calvin. 155 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,600 And Charlie. They were like collateral damage. M hm. She says, 156 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,639 we were supposed to be at the pier at that time, you know, 157 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:35,120 but Charlie and Calvin only decided to go fishing that night on the way home 158 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,639 from work, so they should they weren't supposed to be there. So that's 159 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:46,159 her opinion. It's nothing else. Now, what was what has happened since 160 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,039 then? Just a couple of months back. I mean, all that that 161 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,440 we've talked about there is there in the book. Yes, we kept having 162 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:01,039 to to re edit the book when new information became available, but August there 163 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,519 was only going to be a month till the book was out with So that's 164 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:09,279 it, you know, no more. The opportunity arose again a couple of 165 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:16,039 months back to have Maria interviewed Maria Blair, not under hypnosis, just a 166 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:22,960 straightforward interview, and she talks in this interview gents and about what happened to 167 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:28,080 her. But then she goes on to add a little bit more about Charlie 168 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,000 and Calvin, and she said one of the questions that was asked of her 169 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:39,080 was when did you first meet Calvin Parker? And she says, I first 170 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,679 saw him when he was abducted, not meet as first saw him when he 171 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,679 was abducted. And she goes on to say that from their vantage point, 172 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,399 she could see what was happening on the other side of the river, but 173 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,799 she was just bewildered by it. She had no idea what was going on. 174 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:02,039 And then events took place with her and her husband and you know, 175 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,879 and those events took over. So I asked to straight out afterwards. I 176 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,679 said, you know, are you saying you saw Charlie and Calvin be abducted? 177 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,799 And she said, oh, yes, yes, And she claims she's 178 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:21,039 had an encounter since then, just a citing, you know, since that 179 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,159 time. But the so most of that, apart from the recent interviewer, 180 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,600 are in the book. But what happened, guys, I mean as I 181 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:33,960 mean had told you in like two years. Other people then started coming forward 182 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,919 or we'd find them one way or another. And one of the reasons we 183 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:47,600 call the book Beyond Reasonable Doubt is because I was watching a courtroom drama one 184 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:51,039 night and it said, you've got to prove things beyond a reasonable doubt. 185 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,879 If we were to take all this information and all these people into a courtroom, 186 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,960 surely we could prove beyond reasonable doubt that's something quite extraordinary happen that night. 187 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:06,920 Yes, absolutely, And I want to ask IRENA's opinion about something, 188 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:10,119 which is, you know, and I know that you have your opinion, 189 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,079 Philip as well, will last yours because yours is just as valid as anyone 190 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:18,359 else's. But what's interesting is that these beings that were originally reported by Calvin 191 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,759 Parkers. Just describe them. They are sort of grayish, they're wrinkled, 192 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:29,720 They had had skin like described by elephant's skin. They had a kind of 193 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:34,559 a nose but it was protoosion from the nose and two to the rear of 194 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:38,400 the head, and they had kind of pincers, so that I would refer 195 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,839 to them more like looking at robots. Yeah, I was going to ask 196 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,960 what's interesting about this case among you know, all the other many cases, 197 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,200 because within your aphology, we normally have the you know, grays that are 198 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:56,960 in vogue, and you have other entities that have seen reptilians. But these 199 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:03,680 ones, Irena, in your opinion, were so very different. Do you 200 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:10,799 think that this phenomena kind of like morphed itself within its surroundings to aquatic and 201 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:12,519 this is why we're getting this difference with this or do you do you think 202 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:15,119 that? What's your opinion about that? I read and with regards to the 203 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:22,759 film. Well, about a month later, on November the sixth, there 204 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:37,359 was a USO sighting underwater identified underwater submarine object, and that was definitely aquatic. 205 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,440 H It was seen by nine people, including two Coast Guard officers, 206 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:48,440 and it was very well reported and taken seriously. It happened. The sighting 207 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,319 happened just about real close to where the abduction should be, and the abduction 208 00:18:52,440 --> 00:19:00,119 people made fun of them, but with the the underwater sighting, it was 209 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,920 taken very serious by the Coast Garden, the Navy and everything else investigated in 210 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,680 seriousness. I mean, some of the newspapers made fun of them, but 211 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:14,559 it was aquatic definitely. But theirs was somewhat aquatic too, on account of 212 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:22,559 seeing the entities whatever they were in the water. And it's like today's TikTok 213 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,319 object where things go in the water and then they come back out, and 214 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,599 that's kind of what they reported. And today's the Coast Garden the Navy was 215 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,640 who really investigated that, and back in nineteen seventy three it was the Coast 216 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,079 Guard and the Navy that investigated, really in the Air Force. Interesting. 217 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:47,759 The reason why, as well, we know because of the reasonable beyond reasonable 218 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:52,920 doubt, is the fact that you've had so much evidence to support this case. 219 00:19:52,000 --> 00:20:00,279 Even the sonic boom that was heard when the spacecraft obviously departed our status 220 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:07,680 fishing story ties up, doesn't it to this actual event the whole thing at 221 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,839 all? All these all these testimonies, they all they all match. That's 222 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,200 why you have a very strong case with this book, because they all match. 223 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:21,240 And isn't it funny how Philip Mantlin yourself when you push these people Eventually 224 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:23,440 it's annoying because you think, my god, they kept it quite for so 225 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,680 long. And we understand why they had to keep it quiet because of the 226 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,960 propaganda involved in it, the you know, the the mockery. But it's 227 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,960 wonderful because you bought this out with all this information, this testimony, and 228 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:41,759 now it's not laughed at anymore. It's actually looked upon with this degree of 229 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:45,079 reasonable doubts, you know, beyond reasonable doubts. So I think it's amazing, 230 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:48,559 but it's just frustrating how it took so long for so many people to 231 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,920 come forward due to this what you've opened up. I want to ask Philip 232 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,480 a question, if I may, Philip, do you where do you think 233 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:00,519 these things are coming from? You've been involved in your apology for a very 234 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,880 long time, and most of us see the grays and all the rest of 235 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,119 it. We all know about them. But what is your opinion, because 236 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:14,519 let's face it, these beings that were seen are completely totally so so were 237 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,880 many others during this time, as Philip knows and doctor Irena knows that they 238 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,240 were quite different. I mean, you had many different types. I don't 239 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,359 think that's unique in that, you know, to suggest that because these were 240 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,039 as they were, well, they're not reported today. Let's put it that 241 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:34,599 way. The grays are well. All I can say is that we've not 242 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:40,720 been able to locate anything else anywhere in any other case that looks like these 243 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:44,920 creatures. That's right. But as as you said, there are other cases 244 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,720 that are also have you know, their own individual you know, reports of 245 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:55,440 what the creatures look like. For me, you know, and I talked 246 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,680 to I used to talk to Calvin every week, you know, on Skype, 247 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,640 then on email. And it's very difficult when you're an outsider looking in 248 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,440 and you're speaking to someone who has confronted the phenomena, you know, head 249 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,640 on, you know, up close and personal, and they don't know what 250 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:18,039 happened. So it's very difficult for you, as an outsider to try and 251 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:22,319 figure out what the hell happened. What I did do was look at some 252 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:30,720 of the so called explanations in inverted commas for this encounter. Of course, 253 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:36,079 Philip Class, who was the arch skeptic back in ninth in the nineteen seventies, 254 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,880 he just wrote it off as a hoax. And in one of our 255 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:48,480 previous books, we published an unpublished article by Philip Class. And I accessed 256 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,720 Philip Class's file on pasta Google and it's one hundred and sixty pages long. 257 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:57,799 And when you go through it, gents, there is no research being done 258 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:00,880 at all. Always trying to do is to find some mud that he can 259 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,279 sling, and he couldn't and he couldn't find any. And I'll just give 260 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,920 you one little story. A few years they ran into each other, didn't 261 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,480 they ran into each other. Yeah, Charlie was doing a TV show somewhere 262 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,920 and he persuaded Calvin to meet him, not to go on, just to 263 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,559 meet up, and he says I'm going on the TV with his scientist and 264 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:26,279 it's been organized by this journalist. So Calvin reluctantly turned up, and when 265 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:32,240 he got there, the TV slot had been canceled, and the journalist said, 266 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,359 let's let's go over the road and have a chat, but I'll buy 267 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,839 you some dinner. So Calvin has no idea what's going on. So there's 268 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,480 Charlie, this other fella. They sit down. Of course, this other 269 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:48,519 fellow wasn't a scientist. It was Philip Class. And at this point Charlie 270 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,519 and him weren't talking. So the journalist said to Philip Class, it was 271 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:57,160 Class who would refuse to go on the TV with Charles Hickson. And he 272 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,960 said why, he said, because he's lying. So Calvin, you know 273 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,920 so well, if you're calling him a liar, you're also calling him me 274 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,240 a liar because I was there that night, and if you call me a 275 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:18,440 liar again, and Calvin explained to him in graphic detail what the consequences would 276 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,359 be, and Calvin said, I should have kept my mouth shut because we 277 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:27,119 went home with no dinner that night. We were asked to leave, you 278 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,880 know, And Calvin said, I don't care if people don't believe me, 279 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:36,400 that's different. But to call me a liar, you know, So the 280 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,799 hoax thing was gone. I mean, nobody who was involved with these gentlemen 281 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,279 in nineteen seventy three, including the local law enforcement and so on, ever, 282 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,279 suspected hope. They told them when they turned up at the sheriff's department 283 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,680 that night, you know, and they said, the sheriff said, you 284 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:57,359 know, if you're if you're you know, up to something here, you're 285 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,599 going to be in big trouble. You better tell us now what's going on. 286 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,839 And of course, you know, they didn't say anything different. They 287 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,319 had a tape recorder. They even secretly recorded them. And truth isn't they 288 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,119 Yeah. So, as the years progressed the skeptic society, there's another chap 289 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,559 called Joe Nickel. He had a goal and he said that these two gentlemen 290 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:26,759 were experiencing a psychological manifestation, but each one, believe it or not, 291 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:33,039 had a different manifestation happened at the same time at the same location, and 292 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,839 of course they observed the same thing, you know, which was and when 293 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,960 you look at these explanations, they just didn't fit the information that was available 294 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,319 in recent times. It was claimed that it was the CIA experiment. Now 295 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,079 you know that some kind of drug was dispersed in the atmosphere then, and 296 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:03,200 they had an hallucination. Again, both guys had the same illucination at the 297 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,799 same time. And it's in a built up area, you know, you 298 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:08,839 can see, you know, we've got photographs of this place. It's not 299 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,359 it's not in the swamp. It's right next to the the highway. Then 300 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,680 the latest one wasn't it was the Russians that this was a secret Russian submarine 301 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,799 spying on the ship building there. And the creatures were actually, you know, 302 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,440 Russian submarriners in their in their diving suits. So to take your pick 303 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,880 out of all of them, gentlemen, you know again that is desperation measure 304 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,119 to try and come up with anything that would that it was. Now, 305 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:47,920 if I could have found a rational explanation that fits all the evidence, I 306 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,680 would have said to Calvin, this is it, Calvin, I said, 307 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,680 I would help you, and I think I found the answer. But of 308 00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,359 course that never happened, And you know, I don't honestly know what happened 309 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:06,160 to them. All I can tell you is that something extraordinary was happening in 310 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,079 that location at that time and that year across the United States. I have 311 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,039 to ask here, Irena, you're so arena for you. I mean you've 312 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,480 you've been involved in UFO research for many long years, haven't you. Irena? 313 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,119 How is it for you? I mean, you've you've teamed up with 314 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,839 Philip, You've known Philip for a very long time. So how is it 315 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,240 for you, Irena? When you you know, what's it like when you 316 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:34,599 speak to these witnesses? Because Philip obviously liaisos with you, your his US 317 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,240 counterpart. How is it for you? I mean, how do you deal 318 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:44,400 with this when you're connecting with these individuals and especially with the Pasca Gula case 319 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,000 that no one on this planet? And I and again said again if Philip 320 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,519 hadn't got involved with Calvin Parker, none of this would have been known. 321 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,480 I remember Philip said to me once that you'll be amazed what you can find 322 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,200 in the filing cabinet. I always remember what you said there, Philip. 323 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,680 But Irena, what is it like for you? I mean, how do 324 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,920 you how I would imagine it would be being like a journalist, she just 325 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,599 awes them. Well, I had been involved with that actually, way back 326 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,880 when it happened because of my family. I'd been living in Missouri and my 327 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,480 mother was in Ohio, and on the night of October the eleventh, nineteen 328 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:23,160 seventy three, she called me and said something about hearing an explosion or some 329 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,559 strange noise, and I joked with her and told her to go insane asylum. 330 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,720 They were six hundred miles away and everything. Sometime later, she called 331 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,880 a few days later and said there was this huge flat going on all over 332 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,880 Ohio. Everybody was seeing and people were keeping their kids in, they staying 333 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680 in at night, and everything else. And so I didn't pay attention to 334 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,279 it for years. But then I was working at Ohio State and I wanted 335 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,079 One day, I was just in a library and decided to go check the 336 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,640 newspapers and see if I could find when that was. And I didn't expect 337 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,680 it because I didn't remember the date. But I found it and for some 338 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,880 reason and interested me, and I did more research about this strange noise that 339 00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:10,079 covered about half the country, and it was the same time as the abduction, 340 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,839 but I didn't pay attention to that at that time. I just pay 341 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:17,839 attention to sound, and I wrote it up for a scientific journal, and 342 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:23,480 the state Seismologist of Ohio contacted me and helped me look over seismograph records and 343 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:30,240 things, and then I did report in a scientific journal. But so I 344 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,119 had had, you know, an experience of my own at the same time 345 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,880 is that abduction, and this caused me to be a lot more interested than 346 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,519 I would otherwise. I didn't pay attention to the abduction though, until Philip 347 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,599 contacted me. And that's all in your book, Pat Beyond Pascacula, the 348 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,039 rest of the amazing story, because you focused all of your attention on this 349 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,640 amazing incident and how synchronicity appears to have occurred with you know, the whole 350 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,480 phenomena itself. And then of course you're connected with Philippin and Philip has Well, 351 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,880 I mean, without Philip Mantol, there's no doubting the fact that this, 352 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,200 this story would have been buried forever, nothing would have ever come out 353 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,079 of it. And now it's even larger than it was when Philip first got 354 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,440 involved in it, and all thanks to both you and himself and all the 355 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,119 other witnesses. It's incredible, isn't it. Well, it was dead, 356 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,839 gentlemen, was dead I mean when I when I set off looking for Calvin 357 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,079 Parker. It was for an interview, nothing else. I got the rights 358 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:33,119 to republish Charlie Hixon's book UFO contact at Pascagoula, and you mister Hickson had 359 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,480 passed away, so I thought if i'd get an interview with Calvin, it 360 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,359 might just bring it up to date a little bit. So that was my 361 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,480 only intention, And I'd give you an example. I contacted some UFO researchers 362 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,000 in Mississippi, which seemed a logical place to start, and they had never 363 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:53,759 heard of it. They just give me some some some Google links. When 364 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,839 I could fight, I could google, I could google it myself, you 365 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,000 know. And that's when it all began. You know. I was just 366 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:06,839 looking for an interview and nothing else. And there have been those that have 367 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,480 said, oh, these so called new witnesses, that they're only coming forward 368 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:15,039 because they want their fifteen minutes of fame, which is nonsense. For example, 369 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,480 mister and Missus Blair, they didn't come forward. It was their daughter 370 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,839 that made that comment, and I just happened to read it, you know, 371 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:30,079 and then she put us in touch. And there's been many instances like 372 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,000 that. I'll give you another one, Calvin was doing a book signing down 373 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,160 in Pascagoula with his wife Waynette, and somebody came up and said, can 374 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,519 I buy a book? Thank you very much, mister Parker. Oh, 375 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,240 by the way, I saw that thing that night and they walked away. 376 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:52,279 Now, luckily, somebody was taking photographs and there is this picture of this 377 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,319 gentleman with white hair buying that book. So I put it on I put 378 00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,440 it on social media and saying I didn't say why, I just said to 379 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,440 anybody know this gentleman, I'd like to speak to him. And it wasn't 380 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,759 long that somebody from the local library in the town said, I know who 381 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:12,319 that is. I'll ask if you'll speak to you, and he come back 382 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,440 said yeah, And it was a chap called mister Lewis Lee. Now I 383 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:22,000 spoke to mister Lea, as did Irena. And on that night, October 384 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:27,079 eleventh, nineteen seventy three, he was working in the shipyard on the other 385 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,559 side of the river and he was a crane operator and he said, my 386 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,880 cab, my cab in the crane is about ten feet off the ground. 387 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,160 And he said, when I got in the cab that night, Philip, 388 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,119 I said, I've seen this darn thing out across the river, so you've 389 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:52,720 never ever seen anything like it in your life of it are incredible because like 390 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,640 you were just saying, Irene, is that when your mum called you about 391 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,720 that sound across half the the region and then later on you're with Philip Mantle 392 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:08,480 and you find out it's synchronized with the actual Pasca Grula's ship as supposedly I 393 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:14,759 gather leaving the earth stratosphere, the actual sound they make when they actually hit 394 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,720 or hit a particular speed to depart. It's just amazing. How like as 395 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,880 yourself, Philip, when you're saying about the chap in the grain who spotted 396 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:30,079 the ship, and yourself locked her describing that you know your mother called you. 397 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,720 It's just so uncanny. It's all coming together, and the Blairs and 398 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,759 Calvin and Charlie. It's weird and it's weird. It's as if it was 399 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,519 meant to be, even though it didn't seem it was. It was meant 400 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:45,240 to all come together, and you were instrumental in this, in bringing this 401 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,319 all together, for this information and blue even the ship was blue. Now 402 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,839 there I said this before Aquatic water Blue. It's weird. Isn't it. 403 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,319 Well, you know it's got to be aquatic. It's done by the river. 404 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,599 I mean, you know, well, you know what I mean. 405 00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:07,760 It's all it seems to be symbolisms. Actually, you do realize that's the 406 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:15,760 only academic qualification I ever got was my swimming certificate for doing one length. 407 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,800 And here I am working with a lady who has got a ceaving longer than 408 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,760 the M one motorway. Absolutely, you know. But the unique thing about 409 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,480 it is like they were in the water as well, or as the Blazers 410 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,559 has said, in the water. It's all. This is unique because how 411 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:35,639 many reports of aliens them were in water? None, virtually none. So 412 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,840 it's very weird and quite unique in this. I think what happened gens is 413 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:47,320 back in nineteen seventy three, certainly on the television they saw Charlie and Calvin 414 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,480 being really cooled and made fun of so that put people off, Like mister 415 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,440 Lee. I said to mister Lee, did you report this to any one 416 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,199 back in nineteen seventy three? In he said, Philip, there was no 417 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,079 Ghostbusters? Oh the hell am I gonna call? You know? EXPD. 418 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,320 I told my family and that was it. But come twenty eighteen, when 419 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:16,400 Calvin published his first book, the times had changed and instead of being ridiculed, 420 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,199 it was not been taken seriously, treated with respect. And in twenty 421 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,800 nineteen, of course, the town of Pascagoula unveiled a historic marker at the 422 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,960 site, which was unveiled by the mayor, you know, and that is 423 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,360 still there to this day. And so there, you know, people's attitudes 424 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,400 had now changed somewhat, not everybody's, but certainly in the media did. 425 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,119 And people were also getting of an age where they couldn't care less anymore. 426 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,039 You know, I'm too old. I don't care what people think. Man, 427 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:51,199 I'm going to tell my story while I can. And you know, 428 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:58,639 but we just kept on digging. You mentioned things about in a filing cabinet, 429 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:04,519 Yes, I mean literally after Irena and I had said that's it. 430 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,800 We're not doing any more additions to the book because we kept having to add 431 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,000 things to it. A lady by the name of Chelsea Norton Prince, who 432 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:21,599 runs the Ocean Springs Historical Society in Mississippi. Ocean Springs is just a bit 433 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:28,599 further west from Pascagoula on the coast. A member of their Society had handled 434 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:35,480 us two boxes of documents, and these documents originally belonged to Charles Hixon, 435 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,639 two boxes of them, mostly letters and what had happened this lady's mum and 436 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000 dad. They bought Charlie's house when he passed away in twenty eleven, and 437 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:51,000 this material was left in the house. So in these two boxes of material, 438 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:57,000 Chelsea knew of my interest in this case, and she thankfully digitized every 439 00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,320 single one for us. It's a little time capsule. You know, there's 440 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,639 no smoking guns in there, but it's a little time capsule. But there 441 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:10,480 is letters to Charlie from Betty Hill for example, Hopkins. And there's one 442 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:17,960 letter intrigued me by what was happening just after I read it. There's a 443 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:24,480 letter in it from a NASA physicist and he says, I asked my boss 444 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:31,760 at NASA to investigate your account and they refused. Yes, lo and behold, 445 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,079 I've just been watching NASA on the television saying we're setting up our own 446 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:42,280 UFO investigation. That's a smoke screen. Do you know what that? Even 447 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,679 if they found anything, I mean, NASA are an amazing administration. We 448 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:51,199 we're not going to knock them for that, but any interview, I think 449 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,440 we all know anything to do with UFO related that they're going to have a 450 00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:59,039 cream and then just give us the air brush out out pictures. I just 451 00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,039 thought in it, I run they had the chance all those years back. 452 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:05,639 He is a NASA physicist saying, come on, guys, you know, 453 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,519 let's have a look at this. It's just happened, and we found in 454 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:15,480 these these two boxes of material. You know, sketch by Charlie Hixon of 455 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,480 the UFO, never been published anywhere before. It's a hand drawn sketch, 456 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:29,000 lots of correspondence with people you know, and so exactly as I mentioned to 457 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,559 you before, you will be highly surprised what is lying around in somebody's basement, 458 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,119 somebody's attic, somebody filing cabinet under the bed. You know. For 459 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,440 example, we're not talking about this case, but for example, I think 460 00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,760 everybody who was involved at Roswell back in nineteen forty seven has now passed away, 461 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:53,159 so there is nobody else to interview. So you surely there must be 462 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,360 looking for items that have been left behind. Yes, right, yes, 463 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,039 yeah, what is interesting. The lady who donated these letters, she said, 464 00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:04,800 oh, I used to have more than that, but I give some 465 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,679 away. She couldn't remember who she'd given the others too, so we know 466 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,760 that he's more material out there. Yeah, Irena, As a scientist yourself, 467 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:22,000 I mean, how do those within the scientific community deal with your interest 468 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,519 within the UFO subject? I mean, knowing that you're connected with British euthologists, 469 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,400 well veteran UFO researcher for it, mental, how has it dealt with 470 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,360 your end? Now? Do you get more respect now? Do you think 471 00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:38,719 or feel within the scientific community being a scientist yourself? Yeah, I definitely 472 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:45,239 get more respect because I didn't mention it much at work in science. But 473 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,880 you know, if anybody found out I was interested in the UFO, they 474 00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,119 really let me know. It was insane and you know all that, And 475 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:57,039 have you seen a UFO this morning? And so on. Since twenty seventeen, 476 00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,960 they've been a little bit more respectful of I didn't say it much until 477 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:07,199 I retire anyway, Yes, it has a kind of stigma still, doesn't 478 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,280 it. There's a slight stigma attached to it, to the ignorant and those 479 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,679 uneducated on it. I mean, I know we have a lot of people 480 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,559 out there that they really go down the rabbit hole. They really do. 481 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:21,480 But there are cases like these, as Philip Mantle and yourself approved without a 482 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,039 shadow of a doubt that they did happen. This incident had happened, And 483 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,360 I refer to the big uglies as Calvin Parker suggested that they were as robots, 484 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,960 some kind of servant, but they were extraterrestial. Nonetheless, these were 485 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,599 very, very frightening and just for our listeners, it sounds quite blase as 486 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:44,039 we talk about it, but for these gentlemen, it was quite horrific. 487 00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:49,880 For Charlie and Calvin. Now, Charlie had a much kinder observation by them, 488 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,000 whereas I think Calvin had the worst of it. That's the impression I 489 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:57,199 get, although they were both horrified at the same time. You know, 490 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,400 Calvin had the worst of it most definitely. I wanted to ask a question 491 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,679 here which is important and unique to the subject matter at hand. Now we 492 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,840 find another couple that were originally meant to be abducted, and namely because of 493 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,679 the eggs from the female, I don't think they got very far with you 494 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,039 know, Charlie and Calvin was younger, so that's why I wonder they were 495 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:23,320 more interested in him and Philip you said also about the plan of these so 496 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:29,039 called extraterrestrials to walk among us. Now, I know that doctor David Jacobs 497 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:34,679 also has this idea that you know that they're secretly, you know, connecting 498 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,119 themselves within our society without us being aware of it. What's your opinion to 499 00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:44,559 that? Philip and Irena want to ask both of you, what do you 500 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:52,079 think the main reason is with regards to these abductions. Well, what I'll 501 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,800 say is that you know first, and Maria is not that up on UFO 502 00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:01,679 literature, So once she's making the claims, it's I'm not sure it's come 503 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,400 from any book or television. You know. She doesn't strike me as a 504 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,800 lady who has so it's not guarded from somewhere else. What is interesting, 505 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,599 gentlemen, you had Dr David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins good friends and colleagues, 506 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,119 and they will both have access to the same data, but both came to 507 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,920 completely different conclusions. You know. David Jacobs said that we should be wary 508 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,159 of these buggers that are up to no good, you know, whereas Bud 509 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,280 said, no, they're here to help us and help themselves, you know, 510 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:38,119 but they had the same data. What is again interesting is Bud was 511 00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:44,320 involved with Charlie and Calvin. You know, he put them under hypnosis. 512 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,800 Even in nineteen eighty eight he spoke at a mini conference in Gauchet, which 513 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,679 is where Charlie lived on the Gulf Coast, so him and Charlie also shared 514 00:42:54,679 --> 00:43:01,719 the platform the speakers. But when we were looking for or the the tapes 515 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,480 of their hypnosis, of course Bud's passed away and his archive is now residing 516 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,960 with doctor David Jacobs. And we contacted mister Jacobs and he found the tapes 517 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,280 and gave his copies of them. It's sadly he's not in the best of 518 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:23,599 health himself these days, so his research days are over. But so it 519 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:29,639 amazes me how you have two eminent people involved in the subject with the same 520 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,880 data but come to completely different conclusions. So again, me as an outsider 521 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:38,519 that doesn't have all the data that these guys have got, I'm just looking 522 00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,159 at the past of Googler case and I'm thinking, Mark, you know, 523 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,639 I just don't know, you know, I cannot figure it out. And 524 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,679 I asked Calvin, what come on, Calvin, you were there, mate, 525 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,480 you know you stared at these things, you know, face to face, 526 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:58,280 what the hell was going on? And he said, that's what I'm 527 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,920 trying to find out, Philip. You know these gentlemen who had difference of 528 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,559 opinions, Well so did Charlie and Calvin. Because Charlie felt it was more 529 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,679 of an I get the impression from reading your books and the material that he 530 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,400 felt it was more afterwards uplifting. When Calvin was completely against he was down 531 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,480 the other route. So it's interesting how the two. Well, Charlie became 532 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:29,519 a contact key. He had a couple of inverted Comma's messages from these these 533 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:34,639 beings and tolding him to be patient. Something else was going to happen. 534 00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,079 It was going to be beneficial for Manguind and he was going to play a 535 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,719 part in it, and it was coming soon. You know. It wasn't 536 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,320 way off in the in the you know, whereas Calvin it was totally different. 537 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:52,760 He thought they were demonic because what they've done was you know, not 538 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,320 nice put it, putting it politely, and you know he wanted to kill 539 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,800 him. Yes, well he virtually almost sceeded, so you know, so 540 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,280 again but again you look at both gentlemen Charlie had been in the army. 541 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,800 He fought in the Korean War. And when I say fought, a mean 542 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,719 fought, you know it wasn't a cook. He was on the front line. 543 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:23,880 And during the experience he even used his time in career to help him. 544 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,440 For example, he thought at one point while on board this thing that 545 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,440 they were going to kill him. So he thought, just get on with 546 00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,639 it and don't let me suffer. But then he thought back to a time 547 00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:40,119 in career when they were pinned down under enemy fire and the captain was there, 548 00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:45,159 and the captain said to him, stay calm, you'll be all right. 549 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,360 We'll find an opportunity to get the hell out of here. Just just 550 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,440 be patient. And he thought, no, you know, they're not going 551 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,159 to kill me. I'll wait and I'll get me. I'll get my chance 552 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:59,960 to get out of here. So he used his previous experiences, whereas Calvin 553 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,440 didn't have any of that. You know, I don't think it'd ever been 554 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,320 outside of Mississippi, well anywhere else, you know what I mean. You 555 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:13,639 know, I will say here, Philip and Irena that the phenomena itself extends 556 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:19,679 not just from the contact experience that's been initiated and then the witnessing of that 557 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,639 phenomenon, but also when we have these regressions. Now my understanding and what 558 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,159 do you think about this, Irena and Philip, is that when you have 559 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:35,039 these brilliant regressionists liked doctor David Jacobs and the late Bub Hopkins, and there 560 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:39,039 are many of them, and that is interesting, isn't it How the individuals 561 00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:44,280 that go to say but had gone to Bud or whether or not to someone 562 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,760 else, that they all have their own unique spear on it. And I 563 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:53,599 wonder whether not the phenomena is able to even at that stage infiltrate the actual 564 00:46:53,679 --> 00:47:00,519 regressionist in some kind of control mechanism, mental control mechanism, to still bring 565 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:06,880 forward this story that can't be you know, clarified in terms of the mental 566 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,280 processing. Like one says their positive, one says their negative. So I 567 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,880 think the phenomena operates even beyond that level of the so called initial interaction. 568 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,440 What do you think about that, Irena? I had the experience of having 569 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:29,199 Bud Hopkins try to hypnotise me, and I also do a UFO and missing 570 00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,360 time that sort of thing, and I also had two medical doctors and it 571 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,400 didn't work at all. I mean nothing. I didn't go into a transfer 572 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,559 or anything, so I don't understand it. But whatever you're talking about, 573 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:44,599 did nothing happened to me. What I will say, gentlemen, I wouldn't 574 00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:50,199 actually necessarily go down that room. What I would look at is something called 575 00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:57,119 confirmation bias. Now you may think that you are totally objective when you're dealing 576 00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:01,559 with this phenomena or researching it or investigating it. But all of us, 577 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,840 every single one of us, has our own belief system, and whether we 578 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,400 know it or not, sometimes we look for information that will confirm that belief 579 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,559 system, i e. Confirmation bias. So here you have bod at some 580 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,199 point he thinks these are you know, these guys have gone down a genetic 581 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,199 cul de sac. They're here to harvest genetic material to help them and at 582 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:31,559 the same time help us, whereas Dabbie Jacobs at some point I thought these 583 00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:35,679 lot are up to no good. We should not trust them. So you 584 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:42,320 then tend to look for information that just supports your your your belief system and 585 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:49,239 that and that's in any aspect of the UFO research. So that that's the 586 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,280 way I look at it. You know, it's conformab It's like my you 587 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,840 know, I have my great friend Paul Askaff. Paul has talked in detail 588 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,960 about it or being on you know, different frequencies and all this kind of 589 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:05,280 thing. And you know he will only look for material whether he knows it 590 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,639 or not. You don't necessarily do it on purpose that will confirm his theories. 591 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:14,840 And I had a friend called Albert Bodom from London many years back. 592 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:22,079 Albert came to the conclusion that these experiences were we were all hyper sensitive to 593 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:28,840 electromagnetic radiation which the Earth gives out and now we make from telephone masks and 594 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,079 things like that, and some of us who are allergic to this radiation hasn't 595 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,679 a hallucination, you know, a very real one. And as soon as 596 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,239 Albert had gone down that route, that was him finished. I've solved, 597 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,280 you know, And I've not seen him since, you know, two books 598 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,119 on the subject. I've not seen him since. So you don't always know 599 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,840 that you're doing it, you know. And it's like it's like Calvin he 600 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,480 said, at one point, I thought these were demons because it was it 601 00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:00,840 wasn't necessarily a Bible reader, but he believed in the Bible he was a 602 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,880 Christian believed in God. He once said to me, Philip, look at 603 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,320 the trees, look at the birds, look at the flowers. What more 604 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:16,159 evidence do you need that God exists. That's beautiful. Absolutely, And so 605 00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:23,320 whatever these things were, they weren't nice. They also gave him a curse, 606 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,840 and they cursed him, and the curse was they actually showed him things 607 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,079 on board the UFO. Yeah, some was of the past, some was 608 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,800 the present, and someone was for Earth's future. And in the future, 609 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,800 he said, all mankind will be involved in a global war that no country 610 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,199 will escape. And he saw people with their flesh melting off them and things 611 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,440 like that, and it took Yeah, it took him a long time to 612 00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:59,280 tell me that. He called it a curse, and he says that he 613 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:06,039 would deem. Yeah. It's the actual recording of him speaking at that point 614 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,599 where he's reiterating he wanted to kill them. I remember seeing that at the 615 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,800 I think it was the early conference with you there, Philip, and they 616 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,079 replayed that and that made my skin crawl what he said, he wants to 617 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,800 kill them. They're evil. When you when you actually hear him speaking, 618 00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,920 you can hear it's quite disturbing. Actually that that actually made my skin crawl. 619 00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,400 I'll give you another example, guys, when I when I listened to 620 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:36,960 the tape recording of the hypnosis with Bob Hopkins. Now, Calvin was a 621 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,679 tough old boot, you know what I mean. Yes, And you hear 622 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,679 him on this tape recording screaming, and I mean screaming. And the only 623 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:52,199 time I've ever heard anything like that. I've had my own medical problems down 624 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,639 the years. And one night I was in Lee's General Infirmary A and E. 625 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,400 And as you know, a lot of the e qbicles are just curtains. 626 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:06,159 They're not walls or doors, it's just curtains. And I'm in one 627 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,760 little part of it, you know, surrounded by curtains, and the doctors 628 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,519 and Tory the nurses moved me a bit further down with no explanation, and 629 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:21,719 I could hear them racing up and down. And where I was was they 630 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,960 had a viewing screen on the wall where they put the X rays up and 631 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,480 they could view them, and they're shouting, if we don't do this, 632 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,480 and we don't do that, we're going to lose him. And then from 633 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:36,599 up the other end of A and e. You heard this scream and it 634 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:40,400 was a woman and her son had just died. It'd been in a road 635 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:46,880 traffic accident. It was only eighteen and he died and she let out this 636 00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:53,800 scream, and it just reminded me of Calvin's screaming in pain. It's the 637 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:59,039 only two occasions I've seen loads of horror films where the screen blue murder. 638 00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:00,920 I used to be a big horror film fan. But when you when you 639 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,199 hear it in real life, gentlemen, you know what they do in the 640 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,199 movie is nothing like it at all, you know. And I'll give you 641 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,079 another example. Both Calvin and Charlie when they were taking on board this think, 642 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:20,280 Calvin says he was he thought it was placed on a transparent table and 643 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,039 he was at an angle. Charlie said he was just suspended. Now, 644 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:30,199 I have trouble sleeping, so some years back, when it first started, 645 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,280 I tried all the herbal remedies. Nothing. So I went to see a 646 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,639 hypnotherapist, not for regression, but I said, can you help me try 647 00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:44,079 and get to sleep on an eye? That's all I want? And he 648 00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,079 said I should be able to help. So I went for four sessions. 649 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,280 The last session I had. Guys, you're lying with this gentleman, laying 650 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,360 in this big leather chair, and it's all electronics, so you can alter 651 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,159 it in different parts to suit you, to make you comfortable. You have 652 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,599 headphones on and a little thing on your finger, and then he talks to 653 00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,320 you. And he got to the state when I was under hypnosis, gentlemen, 654 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:14,280 I could not feel the chair underneath me. Oh, it's the most 655 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,079 comfortable I have ever been in my life. So when Charlie and Calvin were 656 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:27,039 describing how they were suspended in this thing, it reminded me of that last 657 00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:32,280 hypnosis session I had. And I'm not saying it's anything to do with it. 658 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,159 I'm just saying it's what it just reminded me of. Yeah, it's 659 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:43,559 interesting you say that because these things, these beings, have the ability of, 660 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:50,880 as we read through cases of actually imprisoning people without any restraints. They're 661 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,760 just paralyzed. It's like being caught in a spider's web. So that's very 662 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,119 interesting what you've just said there, Philip. Yeah, Irena, do you 663 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,079 where do you think these beings are coming from? I mean, I know 664 00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:06,360 it's a hypothetical example, but what's your opinion. I mean, you know, 665 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,880 we have a lot of here. Do you think they're hair on Earth 666 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,719 all the time or do you think they're in a dimension or in space? 667 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,960 Where do you think they're coming from? Arena? I don't have any idea, 668 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:21,199 but I really think that we don't pick up everything in our senses, 669 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,440 like we don't see gravity and stuff like that. Well, there may be 670 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,800 a whole lot of things we don't pick up. And maybe they're hair all 671 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,719 the time, and maybe they're you know, all over, and maybe they 672 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:37,599 don't have a deffinite location like an electron or something. So you know, 673 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,400 with quantum physics, things are pretty funny. Yes, that's right. I 674 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,480 don't you know. They may they could be like twenty billion years ahead of 675 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:52,559 us or something. They're not maybe not least a hundred, but way ahead 676 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:57,239 of us, and we you know, be less and a nee but trying 677 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:02,280 to understand it television or something. We may just be little chemical reactions to 678 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,320 them. Yes, God help us, Philip, what do you think? 679 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,079 Well, it's interesting what I mean has said there, because if we notice 680 00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:16,679 within Europology in general, there has been a kind of a shift, not 681 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,760 with everybody we used to talk about linear space travel. Coming from a to 682 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,199 be. In the last i'd say twenty years, we've learned an awful lot 683 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,440 about the universe, and it's much bigger than we ever imagined. It's the 684 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:37,920 visible universe, and I'm saying the visible universe is forty eight billion like years 685 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:45,599 across. There's an estimated two trillion galaxies. And within those galaxies, I 686 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:50,159 don't know what the next number ups of stars and planets. You know, 687 00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:54,840 I'm gonna say Brazilian, but that's something different live thinking about it. So 688 00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,760 we've learned that the you know, the Drake equation becomes even more important about 689 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,840 the possibility of life existing elsewhere. But what we've learned is that they are 690 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,519 great distance. So linear space travel as we as humans, if we want 691 00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:14,360 to explore the universe, then we have to drum up something that's aching to 692 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,559 star trek technology you know, you know, use use it. Using liquid 693 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,960 propellants is going to get us nowhere. You know. So people have I 694 00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:29,000 met I met, for example, some years back, professor Mitchio Kaku, 695 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:35,360 well known guy. I met him. I interviewed him and he explained other 696 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,679 dimensions to me, and he said, I'll no disrespect for it, but 697 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,000 I'll do it in star Trek terminology as well, so we can understand it, 698 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:46,400 you know. And he said, for example, you know, time 699 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:52,679 travel is theoretically possible, but we just don't have the power plant and able 700 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,679 to us to do it. And we said when looking for something aching to 701 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,719 the power of the sun. But he said, he said, any any 702 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,719 day know is that it would not surprise me if somebody from our future one 703 00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,000 of my relatives didn't pop back and say, oh, you were right, 704 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:13,639 professor. You know. So people have started looking at, you know, 705 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,039 other dimensions, how we move, how we how we bend space and time, 706 00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,079 which will would then enable us to jump from one side of the universe 707 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,400 to another rather than going from me to be like we would in a in 708 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,360 a car or a rocket. Yeah, so that's becoming And then we've got 709 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:37,519 others saying, well, perhaps they're not aliens. I have to remember the 710 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,760 first if we go if we say, if we if we class Roswell, 711 00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:45,800 you know, as the start of alien contact. Although they were dead, 712 00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:52,679 they've pretty much the beings that were there pretty much looked like you and I. 713 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:55,199 They were humanoids, two arms, two legs, you know, fingers, 714 00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:04,840 toes, perhaps then not aliens from another Perhaps we are the aliens. 715 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,679 It's us from the future. That would be Diane Tessaman's as well. Yeah, 716 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,440 yeah, I spoke to Diane and published one of her books. So 717 00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:20,440 that's become more and more popular for what you know, so that there's lots 718 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,440 of possibility, and of course it could be that, you know, it's 719 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,880 none of that whatsoever. For example, I published a book by Dr Dan 720 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:34,000 Farkas, a Romanian scientist. It's called hyper Civilizations, and he says something 721 00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,960 is pretty similar to what Iren has just said. He said, we are 722 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:44,280 being visited, but the beings are so far in advance of us that we 723 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:50,079 are just too dumb on the evolutionary scale to know what the hell they are. 724 00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:52,440 They said, It's like if you've got a television set and put it 725 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:59,159 in an ant's nest. That they're highly organized. You know, soldier ants 726 00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:04,119 might attack it, you know, the protect the queen, but never in 727 01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,039 a zillionaears would be able to figure out what it was coming from and what 728 01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:12,960 it does, you know. So we are we are at the intergalactigants. 729 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,760 So I mean we are we are slowly coming to the end of the show 730 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,039 and it's it's been a really eye opening interview and really amazing. I'll just 731 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,119 tell our listeners out there that you know, beyond reasonable doubt, the Pasca 732 01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:34,079 Gooler Aileen Abduction written by veteran UFO researcher, author and publisher Philip Mental and 733 01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:39,320 doctor Irena Scott, who is a noted author herself, a brilliant scientist, 734 01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:45,880 and so made within the configuration of what's been going on with the Pascagoula and 735 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,800 the ongoing research. So I just have to ask you, Arena. Are 736 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,599 we allowed to know the title of your new book, Philip as well of 737 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,599 Arena's new book that's coming out. We have to ask Arena because I can't 738 01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:07,559 remember what's your new book going to be called? Irena and Aliens something? 739 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:16,360 I forget the Alien Apocalypse eight Aliens and Aliens in the Aparcalypse. I'm sorry, 740 01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:19,679 I know that's great. I mean, the thing is, you've written 741 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,760 so many books. I mean, you've got to think you know, it's 742 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,079 it's like one of those things with anyone. And I just have to say 743 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:31,559 to both of you seriously on this radio show that to thank you, Philip 744 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,360 and Irena, not just for being who you are, but also for bringing 745 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:44,199 the Pasigula incident to the awareness of the general public, because had it not 746 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:51,039 been for you, Philip and Arena. I mentioned Irena, it would have 747 01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,320 died. And and we just wish you the best of luck with the continuing 748 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,840 research and no doubt there's going to be more books that's going to start for 749 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,960 the shelves with regards to this incident, because it is one of the largest, 750 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,800 I think one of the biggest UFO incidents that has got more evidence to 751 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,199 be certainly collective momentum, isn't it than any other UFO case. Yeah, 752 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,159 I mean I'm by this, gentleman, but it didn't start out like that, 753 01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:22,159 and there is nothing like it. It's almost the perfect case. And 754 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,800 there will be another book next year. There's also a new documentary that I've 755 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,960 signed up to make, so I've started with that already. That'll be out 756 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,159 for next year. And so I would say this year for any of your 757 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,920 listeners, if they're only going to buy one UFO book, make sure it's 758 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,760 beyond reasonable doubt and you will not be disappointed. And in the pipeline for 759 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:49,039 next year, there's two gentlemen from down Bedfordshire Way called Philip and Ronald Kinsella 760 01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:53,119 will have new books out and I know that because I've been working on them 761 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,880 as we speak. Well, I just have to thank you both, Ronalds 762 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:07,880 and doctor Arena Scott and Philip Mantle for coming on in the future. Yeah 763 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:16,119 once you're written, are great too. Thank you. It does cause controversy, 764 01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:19,639 but I think it's a good thing that we have balance. We have 765 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,480 we have the positive and we have the negative. You can't always be one 766 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,440 sided. I agree. It's like time travel and we have no nonsense. 767 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:28,920 No, I know, I think definitely, but that could be wrong. 768 01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,920 But so but it's good to have a good mix in there. It does 769 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,960 well up the ants, doesn't It stirs them up. But thank you so 770 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,880 much. And I'll just say to our listeners one more time, Beyond Reasonable 771 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:46,480 Doubt the Basic and an aduction by Philip Mental and doctor Arena Scott forward by 772 01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:51,559 Calvin. It's a beautiful and I say, go and get the heartback, 773 01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:55,760 because we have got the heartback. And I can't tell you just how beautiful, 774 01:03:57,199 --> 01:03:59,960 and not just about the wealth of information in there, but how beautiful 775 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:04,119 all this book cover art. It is filled with art with newspaper cuttings with 776 01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:09,679 new information, you will not be disappointed. So if you can stretch your 777 01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:12,760 your bank account a little bit further by a few more pounds, get the 778 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,760 hardback or paperback, kindle or audio. And what I love about them, 779 01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:21,119 especially Phillip's books, is at the wealth of data in them. I mean 780 01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:27,679 the illustrations you've got, photographs, you've got, you know, articles is 781 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,599 absolutely amazing and it's all it's all done so beautifully. Yeah, So any 782 01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:36,920 last words, Irena, any last words from you at all. It's a 783 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:45,280 fantastic book. Get in there and wave that book around. Any last words, 784 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:51,639 Irena for the show, thank you for having me, and your books 785 01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:57,639 are great too, and thanks for lot well we we abridge and Philip yourself 786 01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:00,880 the UFO Royalty. So Philip, yeah, no, I'm sure there'll be 787 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,280 more to come, you know, as the new year approaches on this subject 788 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:11,480 in general, and we will endeavor to keep everybody updated whatever we come across. 789 01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,400 And you know, good night and God bless him everyone. Yes, 790 01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:20,039 so you've been listening to Twin Souls. Your hosts Philipp and Rookinsella are esteem 791 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:25,719 guest doctor Runa Scott and veteran you are for researcher, publisher and author Philip 792 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,440 Mentor go out and buy, beyond reasonable doubt the vascular reductions. You will 793 01:05:30,480 --> 01:06:01,519 not be disappointed.