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it. Last week we touched on a lot of colts. Robbed in an
episode on some British dude who could purify women by fucking them on a pool
table, while the rest of the church saying Jack did a Patreon episode on
the End Times and how many times we've come across the End Times. It's
a lot of times, every thirty years, once a generation, once once
a generation. Yeah, so I want to get in on the action,
guys, Okay, I want to do my own cult leader. All right,
except I'm really raising this takes here. Yeah, you were talking earlier
today or yesterday. You're really gassing up your your episode. You're like this
guy so much more fucked up than you. Guy. I wonder if it's
some one I know I'm willing to say today we're gonna talk about perhaps the
worst person in human history. Okay, is it jj JJ Jim Jones?
Fuck no, good, good. This guy's responsible for way more dustin Jim
Jones. I cannot wait. This dude is responsible for way more dustin Hitler
Stalin. Oh, we're doing Mohammad. We're not doing Mohammad. Thank god.
You said a cult leader that's killed billions. Hey you said that.
You said that, Dan Didn's. My name is Jake Golden. Fuck you.
That's Rob Fox the third his social I have on my phone. All
okay, okay, No, we're going with China's Muhammad. Okay. We're
talking about the Taiping rebellion. Hear about this, know about this the type
I know, the Boxer rebellion, Yeah, typing tie pink, that's a
yeah, I know that one. We're talking about a man named Hang Chi
Kwang, and he is I'm gonna make you the argument today, the worst
human to ever live. Yeah, but like, who amongst us hasn't accent
accidentally killed like six figures worth of Chinese people if you use an iPhone?
Yeah, like that's I mean at least a million people made your iPhone yeah
and probably died. There are there is responsible for I'd argue nine figures nine
figs nine a bill, A bill No. Nine would be one hundred million.
All right, no, yeah, I would Oh no, you're right,
we're not softcore math. Well yeah, we're not even softcore math.
No, we're not even that. Still, yeah, one hundred mili plus
one hundred million. And this wasn't some ancient time, This wasn't in the
medieval China. Well more people now, yeah, we're talking about the eighteen
hundreds. Yeah. Yeah, this is one reason Japan stacked so many numbers
in World War Two. There are just so many Chinese people. They just
and when you have no regard for a land filled with people as you occupy
it, yeah, boy, you can put up numbers. Yeah. Those
two guys had that race with the heading rate. Yeah yeah. Now forgive
me if I mispronounce names in the future. From here on out, I'm
just going to refer to him as Hong. Sounds good, that's fine.
Hong so Hong was born January first, eighteen fourteen, on a farm as
the youngest of three boys to a lower class Hakka family in Southeast China.
Hakka is a group of people in China that are not necessarily regarded as the
best. Is that kind of lower class farmernicity or something else? It's yeah,
an ethnicity. It kind of groups together people that migrated their eight hundred
years before. So in China, white people basically white people in China,
he says before, are Han Han Chinese. Han Chinese are what you think
of when you think of a Chinese person. They are the sort of white
people of China. And boy, if you think white supremacy is bad,
I should look into Han supremacy when you get the chance. It's mystical,
like it's mystically racist. Yeah, which is sweet. Well, white supremacies
also if you dive in, very mystically racist, but it's half half assed.
Oh no, it's it's it's from like spiritualism era. It's from the
like Blovatsky era. Yeah, mystics. And then you know, the KKK
calls there a leader, a wizard or something that was all so smart in
their end because like I remember while the KKK was using World of Warcraft like
to recruit people, and it's like, how would you like to be a
real wizard? Like that's got to be in the play. Has anyone ever
memed that you're a wizard, Hairry, You're a grand wizard, Harry.
That's been done that if you've thought of it. Yeah, he didn't complete
it. Yeah. From a young age, Hong gravitated to academics, so
his family invested a ton of money and resources into his formal education that they
did not have, so he could complete the Civil service exams also known as
the Kiju and land a high paying gig in the Chinese government. That's nice
of them. They it's like first kid to college. And this was during
the Qing dynasty. Okay, there were no ordinary simple mathematics or reading comprehension
test. Every year, over a million applicants would grind over these things and
some only had a passing rate of one percent. What that's a stringent test.
Mm hm, that's cool. So this is to become part of This
is pre communism obviously, this is to get involved in the Chinese government.
Yeah, the dynastic Yeah, I guess. Yeah. He initially crushed his
preliminary exams, placed in first out of all candidates. He then moved on
to the imperial exams, which he then failed. What was a passing rate
on those? Again, one pa, So it's like double stack. Every
exam is essentially damn not the biggest deal. If your family had money though,
so you could retake them, but again comes from a poor hawk of
family. So Hong moved back to his village to become a school teacher and
save up money so he could once again take the test. He was able
to do so at twenty two, only to fail for a second time.
Okay, I'm starting to feel a villain origin story building here. You're starting
to see kind of a Hitler story here. I'm just not that good didn't
get accepted. Yea, my art sucks. But perhaps maybe he wasn't being
accepted because these tests were rigged against Hakka people, against pores. Oh well
that you know, how are they rigged against poor people? You could honestly
pay to pass the test. Okay, so not so much rigged against poor
people as rigged for rich people. They're not even rigged for them. Wow.
Okay, not shocked that this is how you're I'm watching you do the
mental gymnastics out loud. I'm not saying it's not corrupt. I'm just saying
it's not like they wrote the test to somehow flunk out a Hakka like it
was just like man, whatever, they'll just pay to and we'll give it
to him. That's still rigged against poor people. It makes it sound like
the test was written to fuck over poor people. It's more the system as
fucking over poor people, which is way worse. I'm not grading it at
all. I'm just saying test no. But the test is a byproduct of
a system that is in it itself rigged. So yes, the test is
rigged. It makes it sound like it's like the SAT right. It makes
it sound like, oh, poor people can't take the USA two because it's
not. First off, that's not even true. But it's not him to
do. Yeah, a fucking balance a checkbook. But like it's it's more
like state tests nowadays, where richer schools do better on those tests, so
they get more public funding, no child, Yeah, which is stupid as
fuck, but yes, yeah, and then the poorer schools get worse because
I don't have the money of resources to actually provide for these kids. And
then you teach a test and you don't teach a subject anymore, and yeah
that's what Yeah, it's all about passing the test. Yeah, that's why
nobody gives a shit about the kids. Life is a test, and no
one gives a shit about you. It sounds like we're training them exactly like
we should. Who's testing you in life? Down in the dumps. Defeated
and humbled once again, Hang was ready to accept his fate and his lot
in life until he stumbled into something that would change his life in the country
of China forever. A coalition of cough ak forty. So no murder,
just hey, you can kill people. You can kill people. I'm talking,
of course about Christianity. Oh yeah, that'll do it. I think
he said. This guy is a villain Protestant. Oh yeah, villain.
We're anti Protestant on this podcast. Except he's not really a Protestant because he
makes his own thing. That's whatever you want. But yeah, he built
off this Protestant missionaries. Technically this church is Protestant, the Pentecostal. These
guys just make everything up. Yeah. So he ran into a man by
the name of Edwin Stevens, a Protestant from the good old us of A
and former teacher at Yale who went to spread the good Word of Christ in
the East. Throw an interpreter, of course, because he didn't speak Chinese
himself. Yeah, this is the old guy. Sounds like a failure,
too unimportant. You don't need to speak Chinese in China. No No.
Hong was pretty captivated by the pair and took home some literature that he stashed
away for a bit and ultimately forgot about for a good portion of time,
and so it kind of on the bookshelf. Yeah. Man, No,
he sounds like, well, he sounds brilliant already because he's like he's going
to just use it later yet put it in the bank. Yeah, just
like I might be able to manipulate this somehow. It's like when you're playing
a video game and you just stash a bunch of loot as you keep going,
I grab that my beautiful later. Yeah, yeah, and you keep
being like, should I get rid of this? Should I? I don't
know, should do this Bible away? Then like a level later, they're
like, where is your Bible? You're dead. He returned to teaching to
save up for the exam once again, and unfortunately failed for a third time.
Damn. Years of studying and stacks of cash were essentially lit on fire,
and Hong had a complete mental breakdown. This is also why these are
bad ideas. He was in such bad shape that his family started making arrangements
for his death. And honestly the world would have been much better off if
he took his own life. Okay. Hong, during this delirium supposedly fell
into a deep hallucination for several days important and had a detailed vision of heaven,
where he encountered his celestial family distinct from his family here on earth.
His heavenly father, in a black dragon robe and golden beard, gave Hong
a sword and asked him to combat the evil spirits who had taken over his
realm with his brother Jesus Christ. Hell. Yeah, Jesus was Hong's brother
in this vision. Yeah, and so God was the dragon man with the
gold beard. Of course, who else is God? He didn't know that
at the time, right, I mean, I think God likes to present
himself. It's like contact. Yeah, Like we decided we should look like
your father to present a way that you know makes you comfortable, and like
God is Like, I'm gonna present what a Chinese guy would think was off.
Yeah, I'm gonna present how this white guy would think was off,
you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, Like there's some I mean,
the dragon robe guy would appeal to masses here in America as well.
Yeah, like any more ninja kid but web yeah, just kid with a
body pillow right, Yeah, what did God present like to you? During
this dream, he even saw Confucius getting the business from his heavenly father for
leading China astray. So wait, he saw Confucius getting punished by God.
I'm just gonna pretend it's God spanking Confusius getting the business. Yeah, he's
getting bent over. I imagine just maybe with like a bamboo stick. Oh,
just like a big switch, little whip. Yeah, yeah, I
could see that. The vision stuck with Han. Those close to him said
he was never the same, and he actually became more kinder, confident and
smiled more. Initially, It's that most crazy people do speaking to God.
Hi, you get you know, I thought God spanked Confucius. I hope
you have a good day. Like, oh, he's doing better, he's
great. He was speaking gibberish before, so I think he could have come
out of that that hallucination Comba, but he seems wonderful. He went back
to teaching the youth for a few more years, bouncing from village to village,
and eighteen forty three decided to give the exams another crack. Four times
charge. Lord, he's theo what is he eighteen what eighteen forty three,
so he's almost thirty. Yeah, he's the buffalo bills of the fuck he's
born in fourteen. Yeah, so he's thirty nine twenty. I mean,
yeah, he failed again perhaps because again, like I said, these exams
may or may not have been rigged to those from a wealthier background who bought
their spot into the government. Feeling down once more when you hold them by
the way, still thinking China very hereditary to get into the Communist Party,
of course it is. You mean, the people that formed the revolution,
pulled the ladder up and took control. Definitely, because I've told it before.
I've told the story before on the show about how Spencer was hooking up
with that Communist check in China, like a Chinese communist. She's on the
phone with her dad, her family. He was, and he was like
families in the party, because there's families that are in the party and then
there's just you're just Chinese and here, yeah, you know what I mean,
And that's what this guy was clearly dealing with, like his family obviously
not in whatever the party was back then. Was yeah, yeah, so
he was down, and he went back home, and you know what,
he went to his bookshelf, and you remember, he had that Christian pamphlet
that he received years earlier, and he went to Africa and saved lives.
He saw what he was pretty sure was it the Abrahamic Judeo Christian God spanking
Confucius. And he waited four years to go pick up that pamphlet, just
forgot about it after he saw God spank Confusion. He didn't know who it
was. Okay, he has no idea, you know, he kind of
wreckconned it a little bit. He was like, oh, yeah, gold
Beard was yahweh yeah okay, and his brother yeah no. Hon came to
the conclusion that the bearded man was the Christian God and his brother in general
by his side fighting the evil spirits with Jesus Christ. Hon came to the
conclusion that he was the second son of the Almighty. Ah, I see
it. That's some real a to b thinking straight line. It was now
his duty to bring righteousness to the world as he had in his vision.
He went around tearing down statues of Buddhism, and Confucius began preaching his version
of Christianity around his village. I'm sure people loved that. That must have
been initially, No, I can't imagine they did. His neighbors were not
all too pleased with this sudden and rash change in Hong Can you imagine,
like real quick, you imagine if I was like yo, I had this
dream and I saw like l Ron Hawbird and he was beating the shit out
of Jesus, and I just started going around town tearing out. Yeah,
wouldn't go. I mean, you just get shot after that. I would
get killed immediately. Yeah. Yeah. He went from a respectable teacher who
tutored their kids to a religious lunatic overnight smashing educational tablets and toppling religious statues.
He was banned from teaching in his village immediately. Yeah, that's a
good reason to fire teacher. Yeah, No, I don't think so.
Toppling religious things, no, fuck that. Not in America. You can
do that all day. You actually can't just go destroy private property, are
you kidding me? Not? Man? No, man, Someone just tosses
a brick through a fucking mosque and they're like, hey, whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa whoa Not mosques, dude, Church just churches. Man, we
don't do anything about it. Like, well, I mean, what's the
to your their side of the story. That's no I can. That's what
you get when you're in charge. We'll get ours. Hong went on preaching,
like you haven't. What's the Vatican worth? Uh? Probably like a
trillion dollars. It's immeasurable. Yeah, there is no value number. Well,
Hank went on preaching. Uh. Didn't really have much success at first,
but kind of hit the countryside and talked to his fellow people of the
Hakka and the master bit of a following, including most of his family,
who now believed he was the son of God. How those are the last
people you should be able to talk into that, your family. Yeah,
no, they should be talking you out of it constantly. Yeah. Like
if I just showed up and was like, hey, mom and dad,
so I'm the son of God, they'd be like, I know you're not,
you're my son. Yeah. I saw you come out and be I
know you better than you know yourself in any ways, I can assure you.
You're just a narcissist, you fucking psycho. Once they went to rural
China, his homie Fang Yung Shan kind of took his preaching and made it
a legit religion with what he called the God Worshippers Society. Oh that's a
good name. Fucking aces, and the two put together their own version of
the Bible. Always good to just kind of. You gotta make it your
own, right, like if you're redo, if you're remaking a story like
Greta Gerwig's Little Women, you know she didn't go linear, she did dual
timelines. You gotta make it your own. Yeah, yeah, you got.
You gotta put your own spin on it. Yeah. I think if
you gave the three of us an eight ball of cocaine and like a handle
of whiskey, we could write our own doctrine pretty quickly, write our own
Bible. But the thing is, you just take the IP and all the
shit that's already there, yeah, and just reweave it. We would just
rip off the Unibomber's manifesto. It would be like the UNI Bomber's Manifesto,
the Gnostic Bible, and then like Timothy Dexter's fucking biography. Yeah yeah.
Now, Han's version of this Bible rejected the Christian message of forgiveness, Metal,
smart, good and he gave more merit to his own divinity over his
brother Jesus. Even better, Well, he's like the new pope. Where's
Jesus. People flocked to join this movement, not necessarily because they believed in
Hang or were overly religious. No, they simply enjoyed his anti government rhetoric
that went along with his preaching, which was big on the end of private
property and social classes. Oh so a precursor to what's to come. Yeah,
you're starting to pick up on it. He's starting to pick up why
he's responsible for so many deaths. Oh, he's the godfather of the ideology.
We'll get to it. Okay, No, I okay, I'm really
interested. He even initially gets backed by Karl Marx. Oh no, so
wait he's alive at the same time. Man, oh man, you know
how we're always like Karl Marx just wrote a book. We might be wrong
on that. I might be right. Yeah, we might have to amend
that take. Under the Qing dynasty, life in rural China was tough sledding.
Hong was able to captivate the audience with talks of an uprising and cleaning
out the demons that infested their country's highest positions of power. I don't want
to. I don't want to put that on the dynasty. I don't.
I can't particularly recall a time when life in world China was peachy. No,
no, I don't think that's one dynasty's fault. Dude. Also,
communism didn't help it. We go out and kill some sparrows and then you
just starved to death for some reason. Yeah, that was after I know,
I know what I'm just saying, like it's it's it's a lot of
shooting yourself to the feet. Yeah. Yeah. What Hank started as a
religious endeavor quickly pivoted to a social revolution, and much of his following got
together, living in compounds and communes. The Ching dynasty began to take notice
of this, of course they did, and wanted to nip this in the
bud before it got real traction. Smart Yeah, oh, the people that
are gaining followers that are calling you literal demons. Yeah, maybe stop that.
You would think this is smart, but perhaps this was the gasoline.
Well, well, it goes one in two ways, right, either it
works or you made a martyr. You made it one hundred times. Yeah,
when you come for the cult leader you best not miss. In eighteen
fifty a famine was bucking in the providence of Gwangje when wasn't it and drove
much of the community to join Hanng's movement. It's just like famine in China
go together. What does not a famine look like? I swear to God,
Yeah, because like think about that too, Like how often reading about
it in the history of United States? Do you hear about like famine in
the Midwest once that I do think of, that's the only times it.
In China, it's like every fifteen years there's a fucking famine. And you're
at least in medieval Europe even up to the seventeen hundreds in the Little Ice
Age, there's famine and stuff. You This is probably why America is like
op is, because you never hear about it, and then there's one that
we're kind of like, oh, yeah, I heard that's bad. And
then meanwhile in China there's like a minor famine and in twenty million people died.
Yeah. No, I mean that's pretty much it, right, Like
we also just have one of the most fertile countries on Earth. You say,
you say for now, yeah, no, ching soldiers entered and threatened
to kill any converts. In response to this threat, Hong declared his own
dynasty, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom sick good name. Hong organized and put together
his own army of about thirty thousand men, initially tied red cloths around their
head and declared war on the government forces red cloths. Huh, that's so
impressive. An initial army of thirty thousands, that's a lot. Yeah,
it's a lot. Fuck ton. That's the size of my university. So
he would also take women, the women bodies, dude, yeah bodies.
Yeah. Yeah. Hong organized and put together this army, and in January
eighteen fifty one, their first class with the ching force of seven thousand men
began. They had thirty versus seven. Holy shit. Also, I kind
of think when your armies just like probably semi to very untrained, it doesn't
really matter if it's a dude or a chick, if you're going against professional
soldiers. Yeah, I mean, when you're that out number, obviously they're
professional soldiers, but there has to be some sort of element of like,
oh, they don't know what they're doing, so we can't adequately respond the
way we will they also don't show up all thirty thousand men at first.
Oh okay, but I mean Hong at this point in this battle gets surrounded
and uh, it almost seems like it could end right there. However,
reinforcements show up a little battle of the bastards situation, and they win the
battle. Bang, he gets his first dub one for one. That's impressive.
It is really impressive to do that with a So to give some perspective
on that, you remember we talked about in the started in Lama Lynche or
however it was it's actually supposed to be pronounced. Anyway, the Spanish were
fucking uh winning battles against like professional or at least semi pro Indian soldiers,
you know, out number ten to one. The fact that like a professional
army of a seven thousand should definitely beat a non professional army of double or
even triple that size. In my opinion, that's still a lot of work.
Though, like the amount of work you like, it's not easy to
do it. Maybe it double but triples. These were also hard people,
they were, yeah for sure, and I'm sure actually yeah, they were
probably like veterans amongst them, and stuff like that too, you would have
to think someone was scripted into armies. Yeah, there's someone that has some
sort of experience there. After this, several more days of fight and ensued,
and the Tai Ping scored a major victory after faking a retreat into an
ambush of the Ching soldiers that followed after that's fucking incredible. Bang. Yeah,
Hong claimed victory and in this battle and left over one thousand soldiers dead.
After this conflict, Hong and the Tai Pings went from city to city,
building their army and bringing on new converts. So every city they would
kind of conquer, even if you know there was no Ching soldiers there,
they would just kind of take over and then be like, hey, join
the army or die. I was gonna say, Ah, wasn't that friendly.
Wasn't friendly? Yeah? Yeah, but most people were kind of on
board initially. Yeah, like he's pretty cool. Yeah, it was mostly
yeah, fuck the government. I can't imagine. Yeah, Like the overthrow
of these towns was like hyper violent all the time. It's probably there's a
lot of I mean, yeah, we hate this shit too. We hate
this shit too, man. Yeah, let's do it. Men and women
signed up for this new vision of China, and we're ready to die for
it. By eighteen fifty three, his army was approaching close to a million
Soldiers's fucking insane. How much radicalization throughout history do you think can be attributed
to the boredom of the masses? Like I'm thinking about this right, Like
he's rolling into these like probably you know, rural or even just like you
know, feudal type towns where these people have whatever lives that aren't very interesting.
It's like, hey, do you want to change to the fucking world?
Like, how much do you think it is out of boredom? For
some people? I think you need both boredom and discomfort. Well, yeah,
discomfort for sure, But like I because in America everyone's very bored everyone's
also very comfortable. Yeah, but I mean, hey, like people get
radicalized here all the time, like yeah, but very few of them do
anything. Yeah, I mean it's it's an incredibly small amount of people that,
yeah, but still like I gotta think it's people that are like my
life's born here especially it's but boredom helps for sure, and a lot of
them they have discomfort issues, right, They basically mental hocket And I'm like,
yeah, right, right, right right. People can definitely get radicalized
to the point you know where they'll post some really gnarly just fucked up shit
whatever side of the political spectrum, but they won't really, No, that's
their outlet, that is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
for sure, it doesn't go beyond that. Maybe they go to a protest.
I honestly think like a lot of it in America is just like I'm
not getting paid, I'm not getting laid. That's honestly the crux of a
lot of radicalization. Yeah. Yeah, Hang decided to go into attack mode
March sixth Oh, he wasn't in there. Eighteen fifty three, in force
of seven hundred and fifty thousand Tai Pings laid siege to Nanjing. Holy fuck
so where eighty thousand Ching soldiers held on for thirteen days before eventually being overrun.
That's incredible too, seven hundred and fifty thousand they had walls and everything
still, but I means still gonna lay siege ten to one though, Yeah,
I mean it was more so the seage. Once they get in,
yeah, it's over. Yeah. You know how they get in howe Hong
soldiers dug tunnels and disguised as Buddhist monks to place explosives and set fires all
around the city walls. Dude, we need this to be a movie.
I don't understand how it's I want to give some perspective of he laid Seede
with seven hundred and fifty thousand men. In eighteen sixty four, the Union
Army was the largest army in the world. It had five hundred and thirty
three thousand men across all fronts. So these guys had a quarter of a
million more. Yeah, that's insane. That's insane. I'm gonna give you
more impressive stats at the end. Okay, okay. Two of the bombs
went off as planned, but one was delayed and accidentally killed a decent amount
of hong z Own soldiers. You're going to go meet his dad. Despite
the minor speed bump, the Tai Pings unleash their assault and the city quickly
fell shortly after. Yeah, how many people to even kill his guest?
I haven't heard fifty thousand. Yeah, it's like, sure, twenty thousand
matter are dead? Like all right, that's well. Nanjing became the new
capital of the Heavenly Kingdom. Hong then planned two more offensives the Northern and
Western Expeditions to eventually form a pincer move and surround the majority of China.
Damn like whole country pincer. It is a pretty smart dude. Yeah,
I mean definitely, there are people that were helping him. I have to
imagine all he had to do was pass goddamn exam. One never happens.
That's why just if your kids need help on the test, cheat for them.
Just don't teach cheat. Yes, I agree with that. Get your
funding. Initially, the Northern Expedition planned on taking Beijing, but audibled to
Tanjing. This was a critical error. Tonjing held its own and slowed down
Hang and his forces to give Beijing enough time to beef up their reinforcements.
So the Northern Expedition fails and his calls is called back. The Western Expedition,
however, fares much better. Multiple cities are taken, tens of thousands
of Ching soldiers are merked, and new recruits grow exponentially in these new territories.
Did it say? Why they didn't and it's fun you don't have it?
Why they didn't hit Shanghai, which is like just to the east of
they get to Shanghai. They didn't want to They didn't want to go right
away. Not here. Okay, they get to Shanghai. Eventually you got
a blitz, you know what I mean. They kind of got a little
greedy here. They're likeyeh I, we'll take the city too. Where you
take anything? Where is nin king Nanjing? Ninjing? It's just to the
west of Shanghai. Okay, I'm just trying to and a little bit in
a fair bit, fair bit south of Beijing. I just looked at a
map. I'm not recalling this memory. Now. They have a lot of
success off the bat because the Qing dynasty was spread thin. Not only were
the Tai Pings in open rebellion, but there were other inner conflicts with Mahler
warlords. And you know this little nation England, Yeah, England and France
kind of retavocked during the Opium Wars. Everyone's kind of getting their little fingers
in. It was the perfect storm for typing success. After these offenses,
Hong took a step back from his military duties. He gave full power to
his generals, and you know what, you got to start reaping those rewards.
What year is this, by the way, what are we going now?
Right now? We're about eighteen fifty three, eighteen fifty four, Okay,
I mean this is like a crazy time in human history. You have
the US just doubled in size. Yeah, the French are all over the
police right now. They keep having revolutions. The Crimean War eighteen fifty three.
I think the Crimean War is literally about to start or is happening.
Like this is just like this makes what the current geopolitical situation seemed fucking quaint
honestly. I mean, yeah, we're having some proxy wars right now.
Yeah. An army of almost a million ravaging through China again, so there's
like a superpower growing on a continent that was only discovered three hundred years ago.
Yeah, like I was fucking crazy. Now. What did hang do
during his days in power when he no longer served the military, Well,
he was in his palace with a few dozen women he would keep around in
his personal chambers, which was kind of funny because in the Taiping Christianity it
was forbidden to participate in sexual activities, including husbands and wives. How do
you make more? He's conquered, Okay, go find more. Eventually run
out. I don't think he's worried about it. Not in his time.
He's like, once I die, who cares the tomorrow problem? Yeah,
everything's a tomorrow problem when you're a narcissist, yeah, or someone else's.
Yeah. So he lives by the do as I say, doing as I
do philosophy. Oh of course. Yeah. This becomes a pretty major dividing
line within as Hong and one of his most influential powerful general's Yang Yu shing
Uh kind of gets upset about it. He's like, hey, man,
I thought this was he's like the one true believer. Yeah he's not.
But Han personally kicks out one of Yang's ladies out of his bed, and
that didn't really sit well with Yang. Wait wait, Han kicked one of
Yang's ladies out of Hank's bed, out of the Yang's bed, he made
one of yangs. He went to Yang, he saw Yang was with a
woman. He's like, you gotta go, and then he went back and
kept fucking m oh yeah yeah. Yeah. So he kept fucking women and
he kept making his generals be abstinate. So he's cocking everybody a little bit.
Yeah, starting to buy his own hype a little too much. Yeah,
he's heat checking. This became the divide line, and Yang would openly
criticize the leadership of Hong, had his own power inside, started military campaigns
on his own, even had his own visions where he claimed to be the
voice of God. Oh he was like, hey, you know what,
and he started calling started calling Honk a false prophet. Oh how'd this go?
Not well for Yang? Not well for Yang? I can't imagine.
Hong finally snapped with the insubordination and ordered the rest of the general's back to
name Jing. And they assassinated Yang in the most visible way possible and killed
his family and anyone in his bloodline in very public fashion. Man, they
were really big on that in the East. The whole your entire bloodline has
gone. Yeah, they did that a lot. Not only that. He
then executed all of Yang's soldiers. Ooh like hey, man, uh,
it's about twenty thousand people in the streets. So fucked So was like a
unit for him, Yeah, seriously, that would be a platoon in an
American army. He did it slowly too, did it over two months?
Oh, No one was catching wind to this. Were they all in prison?
Basically all the Yang's men were just in prison. Ok. Yeah,
they trapped them, imprisoned them, executed him slowly just to make a point.
Geez. All right, and the general that was in charge of this
was actually executed too. Wait really the roundup crew guy? General Way?
Yeah, he had he had to. He had to clean his hands.
He's like, all right, you got to go to you just you just
massacred are men. I know I ordered you to, but now you have
to know too. Can't have you hanging around? Is that like a weird
consolation for anyone left that's like maybe mad at the situation. Yeah, I
don't think so. A general Way I don't believe was super excited to kill
his own guys. No, I can't imagine was. Yeah, so he
gets ticking out by on bodyguard. Oh, although some armies were fine with
it. You know, the Romans did decimation. Yeah, if you didn't
perform well one out of ten, this was a catastrophic mistake. It became
obvious that he was no longer a freedom fighting group or this utopia they promised.
It was in fact a brutal dictatorship run bind insane, paranoid leader who
would do anything to maintain power. Who could have seen that coming meet the
new boss, someone seeking power was insane. But real communism has never been
tried. Remnism never tried. Never. The problem is that when they try
it right ever, always happened. Human I saw someone said something like to
the extent of the problem with like progressivism is a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of
human nature, right, And it's like it's not wrong, like exactly right.
Yeah, Like you can't just have The reason governments are piecemeal together is
because human nature is hard to get a grip on, so you have to
use a bunch of different tools. And like, communism works until you introduce
people into it. Yeah, every government does, right, Every government in
its purest form kind of forgets that, right. Yeah, then you try
to put it in practice, it's like, oh man, some people just
don't want to work, so we're gonna need some sort of safety net here
or they get hurt or like, oh god, like these people there's just
maniacs. We gotta have a prison system in place, and it's a Communism
is kind of like be like it's got to like a tea a mediocre team
going into a football game and being like all we gotta do is complete every
path right exactly. It's just got to hit shots. Yea. If we
are one hundred percent from the three, yeah, we will win, like
yeah, pro no shit. Like coaches say that, and sometimes it makes
sense though. You just gotta make shots. Just I don't know. It's
just you just got to make all the shots. It's even more so like
in a in a more realistic way, it's trust the fundamentals. It's hey,
if you stick to your fundamentals, you will win regardless of town.
No one says that past sixth grade bad coaches do. That's true. I
watch all the Mizoo Hiat videos and Eli Drinkwitz is like, I just need
you to do the small things. You you do small things for gonna win.
I trust coach, May eighteen sixty. This is where things you know
slowly but surely start to go wrong. They do have some minor success the
last seven years, the Ching troops have been trying to lay siege to nang
Jing. They ultimately kind of shoot them away just they're like hit and run
operations. This is such like a comical game of total war where you lose
like a big province and it's just like a full stack of rebels and you're
just like, God fucking damnit, and you keep sending armonies, but you
don't have enough people because you got a hundred things going on with San Andreas.
The fucking ballers are attacking your just got all the territory except for one.
Now there's drive all the way across San Andreas. Yeah, it's like,
will this ever end? No? No, God damn it. Just
surrender. Hong took a little bit of this momentum captured two of the wealthiest
provinces of the Qing dynasty. However, this was around the same time Ching
dynasty signed a truce with British and French troops and could now put all their
resources towards Hong and the Kingdom. Oh question, because this is an interesting
sort of time in China. Obviously, all the European armies are like fully
gunpowder right like since well before this time period, right full every infantrymen gunpowder,
maybe cavalryes kind of combined arms. What is the west? What comes
with the truce guns for the chain artillery? Because I'm guessing that Hong's army
is maybe a little bit of firearm old firearm situation, but a lot of
edgeways on the Guess who immediately upgrades the Qing dynasty. Yeah, sick.
Guess who now has French and British and even American troops and mercenaries the Qing
dynasty. Who We've had people fight in mainland China. Yeah, the Boxer
rebellion we had. There were several marine Yeah, in terms of fighting it,
mainly in China World War two, we were all over there. Yeah,
you're right. No, I mean, I guess, like for a
Chinese domestic issue, not like a World war. Yeah that's but no,
you're right. The Boxer rebellion we did. I forgot about Todd Ping's were
a little disheartened by this news. This whole time. They were trying to
get the international community on their side. How I'm god, Yeah, that
doesn't usually play. I mentioned Karl Marx earlier, who supported the movement initially
but publicly came out against it once he started to dig into what they were
about, you know what, like, oh, they're insane. That is
actually Karl Marx called them insane. Yeah, so on braind and for everyone
who loves Karl Marx, he hears that there's some just like anti person who's
in power movement doesn't really dig in beyond that, says hell, yeah,
they're the good guys, and then later they find out a little bit more
after horrible things have happened, and they're like, well, it's complicated.
I don't think I support them, but let's not forget it started well,
and those other guys are bad too, So there's no good guys. And
I was only a little bit wrong. No, you caught a sound bite.
It confirmed your bias, and you bought in. Yep, yeah,
that's it man, Fuck Carl, damn it. I mean we weren't like
huge fans. We were kind of like, what do he really what he
really do? Like, I still am of the opinion I don't think he
cost everything. He didn't really do he personally didn't really do. Again,
at some point, if you're putting bodies at the feet of Karl Marx,
you need to put bodies at the feet of Jesus and Christianity. I'm fine
with both. I'm sure he used both. Yeah, now, this guy,
he really did co op both Christianity and Communism, which don't king they
are not compatible. Actually somehow managed to No, you can you can put
first off, you can jam anything into anything Oh, well, yes you
can with cognitive dissonance. But like, what I'm saying is like communism is
like not about any sort of hierarchical thing. It's not even about heavenly hierarchy.
It's just the people. I guess it would be more like comm communalism
if you wanted to do Christianity socialism, right, Like, it's like nothing
matters here, so we all share because we're trying to get to heap.
We all equalna the eyes of God. It's an easy thing to easily smash
together. But then it becomes a sort of like socialist situation where it's like
the people own the means and all that stuff. Well, socialism is just
a step to communism, right Like, yeah, but communism is complete lack
of power structure. Yeah yeah, yeah, except not at all. No,
Well weird how people need that since they've been fucking around Like we're social
animals. Social animals create hierarchies to understand their social settings, like it's how
we fucking operate. Realizing they were at an alloy, realizing they were now
out gunned, the Taiepings tried to adapt with more guerrilla style hit and run
attacks, and they go after Shanghai. This battle lasts over a year a
siege or they just like kind of fucking with it both. Okay, well,
no, what they can't get the Qing dynasty prevails. Okay, yeah,
I'm rooting for the Qing. The Qing then retook the coastal city of
a Ching thanks to British blockade and siege that went on so long that the
Taie Pings and locals resulted to cannibalism to survive, even the town's markets starting
to sell human meat. Cool human mate. Here, there's actually a I
don't have a picture from this one. I'll have to look it up.
I'll show you guys. At some point there's a picture of like a Russian
famine situation, and it might have been nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty. It's
just a family standing in front of human body business like Stalingrad. No it
was, it was pre World War two, but post revolution. I think
it was just one of the you know, I've seen that picture where it's
a it's a meat market and it's arms or something like. It's like arms
and legs shit. Pretty narly. More battles happened in smaller cities and by
that I mean one hundreds of thousands of people were still involved, and in
total, about six hundred towns were wiped off the mat to complete ash took
good perspective today, and this still, I think is the case back then
to an extent. China's got like twenty cities the size of Chicago. Yeah,
they had more, They're gone. Now, how does that say?
Like, like, also perspective, six hundred towns is probably about the size
of I mean, that's an entire state. Like imagine, just imagine you
just eradicated Florida, like Florida. Florida's got eight hundred or so. Listen,
you think the global emissions that China puts out now are bad if this
man doesn't exist, twenty times worse so green? Yeah, Actually he's actually
changing my mind. His carbon footprint is I mean, it beats Jangus.
Massive death is green. Yes, genocide is green. No, it has
to be in genocide. Genocide do not doesn't have to be ethnic or anything.
Can just be people. Yeah, genoside does not have to be racist,
specialist or anything. What a specie. No, it kind of does.
Actually, it has to be a specific group of people you're eliminating.
I believe. Yeah, you know, so what would just be killing a
species? No, not even a species, just like I want to kill
fifty million people, but of all races, what would that be? I
mean just mass murder, mass homicide. But like homicides don't it's not ethnic
cleansing. So maybe genocide does fit. But I think genocide is there has
to be an ethnicity. Okay, link to it. I'm not sure I'm
gonna look it up. Who could say there's no way to look it up?
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hell yeah, Hung himself never adjusted. He just kept saying God would
do his work for him. Yeah. That's uh. I only get so
far. It has to be either a national, ethnic, racial, or
religious group. Okay, that you're a limit. Okay, So if you're
just if it was like, all right, so it is genocide because it
is a yeah, I guess so, because it is a religious group,
yeah, or a dynastic group two a national group they like, it's a
national group. It is a national group, so it would be a genocide.
Yeah, okay yeah. Most of Hong's generals bailed and turned themselves into
the Qing dynasty, either to save their own lives or the lives of their
men, or try to work out a deal. One of the generals,
Shi da Ki, tried to negotiate a deal, but was executed by slowly
being sliced apart aka death by a thousand cuts and two thousand of his members
slaughtered along his side. Not ideal by the way. That means Gang Is
Khan did not commit genocide or he committed like a hundred genocides. Everybody could
get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the worldless is genocide. But
he wasn't doing it because they were that way right, right, rh he
took back down. Genocide requires intent in a way, it does. It
has to be intentional toward it one. Yeah, yeah, based on this
parameters. But yeah, like so if you want it, you're like,
I need to kill fifty million people. You didn't care how or who they
were whatever, and they always happened to be the same. Like that doesn't
count. It doesn't count because the intention isn't through like that sort of right,
It's just mass murder, right Yeah. Eighteen sixty four, the Ching
essentially had complete control of China again other than nan Jing. It was time
for the final siege and to route out Hong from the capital of the Tai
Pings. During the siege, Hong was like, God will take care of
us. You're good, He'll provide us mana, although he had a bit
of a mistranslation of mana. Did you think mana was gatling gun? Yeah?
He thought mana was weeds? Weeds? What is? How would that
be better? He didn't think it was bread? How would that be better
for him, like to just stop them, because the weeds are something I
think bread and weeds are a wash for his sea. It's really bad.
It's a really bad mistranslation. Because he sees some weeds growing, eats them
with some berries that were super poisonous, and he gets deathly ill. He
pulls the fucking into the wild. Yeah the hell, Yeah, what a
way to go. What a story. He's like, Hey, look it's
coming out of the fucking dirt. Oh what weeds? The things that always
have mana just like that pamphlet sitting under his pillows or whatever. You know.
It used to be that crazy loaners could somehow whip up a whole nation
and go go off and conquer shit, Hitler Hong whatever. Now our crazy
loaners are so shunned. Society's working properly, so they just wander off to
a bus at Alaska, eat some weird shit and die. Yeah, he
dies from that. He dies from the weeds. I mean, no bad.
He needed to go worse than that. And he hands off the power
to his fifteen year old son. Oh no, I can imagine that lasted
longer. Well, nope, because the chings broke through and the slaughter was
on. When the dust settled, a low estimate of the war was about
twenty to thirty million people. Oh my god, over fourteen years you promised,
not done. Not done yet? Okay. Every leader of the Taipings
was hunted down and Bratley executed. Hang himself was exhumed, defiled, beheaded,
I mean, fucked, cremated, and then he had his ashes blown
out of a cannon. I would have you got dumb him in a in
an outhouse. Yeah, and here is why I think he is responsible for
nine figures. Okay. Though the Taiepings revolt failed, they are often idolized
and credited by mal Zadong. Okay. Oh, and he credits them for
laying the groundwork of the CCP, playing a blueprint. Yeah. He got
all of his motivation and all of his just kind of ideas from Hung.
So I count I count Mal's numbers with him. Yeah. If you do
that, then it's a fuck ton of numbers, man. It should be
noted. By the way, So how many people died in that war without
the maleshit twenty low estimates thirty million, twenty to thirty million some I mean
I saw numbers as high as one hundred million. Okay, well let's say
let's call it forty million caught forty or you said twenty to thirty, we'll
call it thirty. That's fine, third thirty thirty five. World War Two
was between fifty and eighty five million. So this thing you've also more than
World War One. Yeah, this thing you've never heard of, never heard
of, or maybe heard it, but you didn't know what it was.
Yeah, killed almost as many people as World War Two, killed more than
World War one, more people than World War One. And you're not learning
it. You're not learning that shit in high school, like like no,
yeah, I mean you might have if you're like ap World or some ship.
They probably don't. They might teach it in China. Actually, because
he is kind of the godfather of communists, you're gonna gass up whatever.
Yeah, lends credence to you. Yeah. Yeah, So that is the
typing revolution. That is our man hung our man, your man, none
of our men, none more man. Yeah, Hong Chi kwan if he
was Catholic, but yeah he's Protestant, budd Yank Protestant based. So next
time you see your Protestant friend, tell them. How many doests tell them?
How much blood? Yeah? When they wh about the crusades them a
fucking hog. Would you guys learn today, oh so much about the Typing
Rebellion? I guess I didn't realize that the Typing Rebellion had this element of
insane religious hallucination to it. I knew it was like a rebellion against the
dynastic group right then, but you know I didn't. I am very you
know, eurocentric. We all are because we are in basically a European founded
nation. We are what yeah, we all fucking European. So you know,
I don't know a ton about Chinese history and so when you hear but
I do know though that they are like war after war of just obscene death
tolls because there's just so many. China has always been so populated, and
it is part of me is just like I don't know what happens. Somebody
got there, Jimmy's rustled about something, and then I fucking twenty million people
died. That's kind of what I think about any war in China, basically
prior to after a certain number, it just it's like a vase craft.
It's all the same, right, and it's not because I don't care.
I don't think it's interesting. Because it's fascinating, but it's just not my
history. Uh, but it is, so it is interesting to comprehend.
It is interesting to learn the that's just random as fuck. Eighteen fifties eighteen,
very modern. Yeah, Christian sort of but not really thought he was
Jesus's brother. Yeah, that's co opted Christianity. Like with Karl Marx,
he somehow mashed the two together. I think Karl Marx has heard about it
and was like, yeah, people are doing stuff. And then and then
like read a little more and was like, oh, Karl Marx. I
learned that Karl Marx is just like everyone who loves Karl Marx. Yeah,
get out, which, by the way, makes sense. It's just pseudo
intellectuals, right. Yeah. Well, I guarantee you. The way Carl
Marks found out about it was he was having cocktails with some other person that
mentally masturbates all day, like, did you hear the typing rebellion? They're
getting rid of classes. He's like, that's amazing. Putting my stamp on
that. No private property anymore perfect, that's what we're going for here.
And well Car Marx wasn't really going for anything. That's just what he thought
was gonna happen. Maybe he was. I don't know, but I'm not
going to reread the book. But Hung really lost the plot though by not
letting anybody fuck besides him. If he would have not done that, it
would have been over. Do you know why the Mongolians did so well the
Romans did so well? Probably a lot of Chinese nasties. It's so well
they pillaged and rape, they let everyone fuck that. And also, I
mean, like you know, I think the Romans as much as they pillaged
and shit too. If you're willing to bend the knee, all right,
you're ours. We're just gonna tax you. And I guess Hong wasn't about
a long time. He's about a good time because he wouldn't it make sense,
like you said, to have children. Yeah, like wives and husbands
couldn't have sex. Narcissism. The foresight of narcissism is as far as your
nose, Like that's that's as far as it goes, man, Like you
see this far away. It's the moment, not the plan. So be
narcissistic. Live in the moment. Who's Hitler. It might have been the
easiest hot we've ever done. Should we now call the segment Who's Hong for
a little bit, just a little just for today. Hitler is kind of
a smack in the face to Hong when we should really crab. No,
Hitler killed more people in hung dances one hundred million? Well world War two.
Yeah, first off, he's adding names, which fair, fair,
but if we go by the thirty World War two, that was a lowest
men. Again, they said they have numbers for this specific fourteen year period
up to one hundred million. Okay, it could sit. I'm not saying
Hitler's absolved me Hitler. You'll also have to combine Hitler or Stalin like that
they're both responsible. Eh, No to blame the guy who started the war,
even though Stalin's piece of shit. Those are separate things to like communism
didn't involve as a response to Nazism like in Russia. Yeah, yeah,
that's so I can't call Stallins that's tied to Hitler's. Like, I mean,
are you saying, Oh, you're saying like in World War two of
total you have to contribute. Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Oh, so what is the CCP doing right now? Nothing cool?
Nothing cool? Ask the wigers. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm adding those
bodies to honk to everybody's every everything from Hong to Mao and on. Is
Hong he inspired Mao and Mao inspired this? Yeah? So that's all I
got today. It's good. I didn't know much about this man before I
researched. It's kind of crazy how even find him. He doesn't get any
fucking play. Do you just google crazy Chinese leaders? You go down like
Reddit holes? Yeah, red holes are good. You know, I think
it is fun. These kind of episodes are really great too, because you
know, it's easy for us to kind of fall into the European influence history,
but when we get into like Africa and Asian history and stuff like that,
it gets really fun because it's like, shit, this is significant and
you've never heard. Yeah, there's just a lot with with Asian in particular,
because yeah, I even count a lot. I feel like a lot
of people kind of wouldn't, but like annoying people wouldn't. But really,
though, if you look at how Western history is taught, it starts at
the Fertile Crescent with the Sumerians. So even that stuff in ancient Egypt.
We learn a bunch about ancient Egypt. Even that stuff is kind of Western
history, like we kind of claim it who went this way, who went
that right? Right right? And like China just gets kind of left out
India too, uh oh, definitely. But I don't want to know anything
about India. Yeah, yeah, I know you're I just don't like India.
India scares them, it really does. I don't. I see those
videos of the trains. It's just like claustrophobic. I can't do that.
There's people on top of the trains. You gotta go man, more on
top of the trains than on the train. Also very handsy. I don't
like that they hold hands. No, no, no, they like I'm
saying, like handsy, they're like molest you, I know. But also
the men hold hands as a sign of effect. That's fine. Well that's
that's a fucking Portugal. You can see that. That's not true. He
can. I saw not a one group of friends holding hands in Portugal.
There's there's some Hispanic slash. I had a fraternity brother who is Indian and
he's still had family Indian and he's he was like, yeah, I go
back there every couple of years. And he's like, I was walking around
the city with my cousin, like male cousin, and he just tried to
hold my hand because they just do that. They just walk like guys walk
around holding hands there. And he was like, what the fuck you doing?
Weirdo? Brother? He was like, what we did this? Like,
I mean there's a lot of people. You might get lost, Like
yeah, yeah, like at some point you get into the wrong market.
I'm like yeah, seriously, I'm like my own toddler. I'm like,
yeah, you put me in fucking like New Delhi, in a fucking wet
market. I'm like, dude, just show me where to go, don't
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