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Hey, their skeptics, get ready
for a wild story from Port Coquitlam,

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Canada. A bizarre sign showed up
at a stop sign, actually not a

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really stop sign, but a bus
stop, and it's causing quite a stir.

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The sign promotes a white only moms
in tops group. Yes seriously,

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it suggests kids can play with others
who look like them and escape force diversity.

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After the tweet went viral, the
city condemned it, but social media

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reactions were all over the place.
Some defend the event, others are outraged,

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and some questioned the city's reaction if
it targeted people of color. It's

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a mess and a mix of opinions. But here's the kicker. The drama

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doesn't hold a candle to the beliefs
of another group a as a true folk

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assembly. Stay tuned for more on
this wild ride. The story is from

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Distractified dot com, published on September
twenty six, twenty twenty three. So

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felas, let's go ahead and talk
about Port COQUITLM I practice that in infantil

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You want to go ahead and kick
us off. You know there was a

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time when things like this were becoming
actually less acceptable. I'm uncertain whether to

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despair such regression. Are to be
glad that people make it easy to know

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who holds such contemptible view. But
this, this exposure does, this does

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expose a very real problem. Overt
Racism is on the ride, and some

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diversity is a buzzword for danger,
something to be held in contempt. Homogenes

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their goal. What they don't understand
is diversity brings new perspective. Exposure to

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new cultures, values, and beliefs
that don't mirror your own is an important

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experience for growth, not only as
individuals, but for a community as whole.

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It's important. Now there will always
be differences between individuals, and at

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times there will be disagreements and even
conflict, but the alternative is just stagnation.

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Now, the FOCU assembly that you
mentioned, they were new to me,

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but doing a little research on them, I recall running across another group

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that they're tied in with the Odiness, and they pretty much have the same

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viewpoints. You know, they support
all sorts of detestable things that one would

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expect a Christian identity movement only with
old European gods instead of a white Jesus.

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Now Canada and the United States,
they're both becoming more diverse populations,

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and I do think that is one
of the things that's causing this fear,

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this fear of change that we're seeing
as a driving force. Hee. These

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people are blinded by a desire to
return to a time when they that they

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look back nostalgia. The reality is
is that we're not gonna No one's going

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to talk anyone out of prejud can't
be forced to learn or give up your

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preconceived ideas. Ultimately, people are
going to move forward into a future where

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diversity is embraced, or they're going
to huddle in fear of the changing world

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around it. Now I have to
look at this sickening sign. It's just

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something temporary, a temporarily temporary regression, because for me, it's with shame

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and disgust that I recall I've seen
and laughed and even worse than this sign.

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But if I can grow from a
neo Nazi Duke supporting delegate having attended

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a wedding where a groom wore a
Nazi uniform and bragged about a triple crossburning

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he attended the week before, if
I can go from there to where I

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am now, I have to remain
hopeful that these people can too. Now.

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Truth is, I almost felt like
I should just read out their sign

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for two or three minutes, because
there's not much I could say that would

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make them look worse than that.
They pretty much did it themselves a scotta.

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I know, I have a somewhat
limited view here, coming from my

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background, and I was very curious
to how you felt about it. Well,

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first of all, I'm it's wonderful
to learn that Infidel sixty four parties

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with some hardcore people. I'll keep
that in mind. I keep that in

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mind. But you were saying,
yeah, you were worried about how we're

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regressing here, about how you know, is this a sign of regression?

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And yeah, that's totally the case. I mean, I remember when I

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was a kid watching old Happy Days
reruns and it was edgy to have an

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episode where there was, you know, whites only this or you know,

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so on you know, colored people
go over here kind of thing. You

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know, it seems like, you
know, haven't haven't we hasn't this played

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out already? You know, how
how is it that we can see this?

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But but there was an interesting twist
on this story, I think,

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and that is that usually you know, some of the segments we did earlier

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this week, we've been talking about
cut and dry legal you know, wrongdoing.

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You know, this is this is
constitutional, this is not, you

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know, very very straightforward. In
this case, though, I think the

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legality is a little bit hazy.
So we have this group that's advertising for

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whites only, moms and tots,
okay, And we know that in the

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in the US at least, or
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that organizations that are offering uh services
to the public. And I might be

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uh, you know, I might
not get the legal terminology exactly right here,

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but you know, if if an
organization is offering services to the public,

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they're restricted from discriminating on the basis
of race and so other category.

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But that's not the case for private
gatherings or social groups or things like that

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and so. And I'm not familiar
with how it is in Canada, but

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I'm assuming that it's fairly similar,
uh, if not even more progressive.

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Generally, Canada is a little bit
more progressive than the US, although not

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in all cases. But since this
group has been allowed to at least advertise

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at a public bus stop, I'm
assuming that they fall under you know,

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the social group kind of aspect,
not not the other group, but who

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but who knows. You know,
assuming that's the case, then the group

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is basically calling themselves out for being
bigots. It's you know, they're pointing

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at themselves and they're saying, hey, come look at us, bigot alert,

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bigot alert and so and but but
it's not. But see, it's

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an interesting take on it because it's
the legality of it is not necessarily so

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cut and dry, but the moral
case is very cut and dry. And

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it's amazing that they're not only that
that we're still talking about this kind of

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thing, but that if there's people
out there that are proclaiming it, that's

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the headline of you know, that
was the big, the big headline of

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their poster. And you know,
morally, we definitely have I mean,

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clearly there's uh, this is a
harmful thing. There's a bunch of you

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know, several different ways that we're
seeing harm from from this type of of

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segregation. Is that they're depriving their
children. The moms in this group are

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depriving the tots of the wonderful opportunities
that come up when you're exposed to people

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that are different than you. You
know, that's one of the best ways

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to learn things is to see things
that you don't already believe or that you

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don't already know. You exposed to
new experiences. Secondly, they're depriving themselves

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as parents by limiting their their exposure
to other families. Okay, and so

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again that helps maintain that, you
know, those fences of bigotry and division,

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right, the US versus them mentality. They're also depriving their family group

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or what you know, the moms
and the moms group. Okay, they're

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depriving that group of exposure to other
people. Okay, New people come in

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that are different than you can maybe
show you better ways of doing this or

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whatever. You know. Evolution economics, you know, you always hear,

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don't put all of your eggs in
one basket or diversify that portfolio. And

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that's because it creates a stronger group. It creates you know, it's not

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a bunch of identical people with all
the same skills and all the same preferences

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and all the same predilections. They're
different people with different ideas. And so

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then you can pick and choose from
the best, and you can set aside

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the old Well, we would think
you could set aside the old tire,

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the old tired ideas. But the
way that they're the most impact that they're

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having as far as harm is concerned, is on society as a whole,

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because what they're saying is, hey, it's okay to act like this,

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It's okay to be a dick here. You know, it's okay to be

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a bigot. And that's not the
case. I mean, we see time

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and time again we see that these
you know, bigotry just puts up those

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fences, it reinforces its elean,
it just breaks us down and makes us

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weaker. Kelly, what do you
think about that? Yeah, I think

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I think you're right. Yeah,
I know you're right. You're right about

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bigotry. I don't know what the
laws are in Canada. It's just like

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you. I didn't do a deep
dive into the laws in Canada because I

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knew that was going to be a
really deep dive. So what I did

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do is I started looking into a
Satru and it's actually a very popular religion

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in Iceland. But real assaw Through
is not the same as the Assatru Focus

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Assembly here in the United States.
They've co opted this religion, much like

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the Christian Nationalists have co opted Christianity
and turned it to their bigoted, white

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supremacist ideals. And so I want
to make sure that people understand that that

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you don't don't just get down on
somebody because they weren't because they follow a

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saw through It's that's just the belief
in the old Norse gods. So but

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but these are but this Assa Through
Focus Assembly has really really changed it.

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They are they're even worse than the
Christian Nationalists. They started in nineteen sixty

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nine with the name of the Viking
Brotherhood. Now is it just me or

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does like when an organization has the
word brotherhood in its name, it seems

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to me it's like a dog whistled
buzz word. Yeah, I get triggered,

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get real hard. Yeah yeah.
Right. So anyway, they eventually

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they changed their name to the ESAUTH
Through Focus Assembly. They now have twenty

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four chapters across the United States.
They actually got a permit. They haven't

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White's only church. So I mean
this is something that they're on the move

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and marching across America. So we
do have to stand up to these kind

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of things if we don't want to
see this kind of bigotry, and as

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Infidel mentioned that racism is on the
rise in the USA, it's considered accepted

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right now. Many political bleeders are
out there using the same dog whistles that

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this church is us in and they're
making it acceptable to be a bigot.

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And I'm hoping that this is hopefully, hopefully the lashing out of a corner

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dying animal, because the ideals that
they're spreading need to be put the rest

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by a society eager to embrace a
better future for everyone. And I'm hoping

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that maybe that's the path we can
take and be warned by people like this.

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Cynthia, what do you have to
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Kelly, the problem is and when
I said when you know, I sound

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an Infidel. The problem is that
unfortunately we have a group of people that

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won't let this idea die that you
know there are there are definitely people that

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want to continuously espouse push and and
and continuously give the defibrillator to racism,

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bigotry and all things shitty. When
it comes to this particular rhetoric, I

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think it's I think it's mostly because
they need somebody to blame their own their

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own inadequacies on yep. Yeah.
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I'm unfortunately, we have seen in
the news on more than one occasion,

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news particular news outlets and also other
people using this whole idea of the great

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replacement theory to be very much so
alive. And like, you know,

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the immigrants are coming from your jobs, Black people are coming for your wives

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and you know, ha, your
kids, how's your wife? They get

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They coming for everybody, just and
just all this ridiculousness that just comes from

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not engaging in being able to rise
above your cognitive biases. I know that

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all of us have them. But
the difference when you are saying that you

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are a person that values skepticism and
critical thinking is that you realize that you

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have cognitive biases and you take the
time to learn not only what your biases

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are, but why they are wrong. And unfortunately this Moms per TOATS groups

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and the Asatru Folk Assembly have not
done that. They have doubled and tripled

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down on why they need to be
more insular and why they need to balk

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against anything that has to do with
diversity, anything that has to do with

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inclusion, anything that has to do
with, you know, actually saying that,

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hey, there's other white of other
people other than white people that exist

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in the world. And guess what, not all of us are bad.

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I know that that's a soccer.
It's a soccer of y'all. Really,

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yeah, it is a sack I'm
saying. But no, not all of

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us are bad. I'm just saying, but you guys actually went through the

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story pretty well. I applaud you, thank you, you make you make

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you make Mama proud. But you
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actually mentioned in the intro is the
things that people are saying on the dumpster

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fire that is kind that is known
as x formerly known as Twitter. I

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wanted to read a couple of tweets
to ya if you give me a little

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room to do that, Okay,
And you know, guys, read the

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read the story. It has actually
you know, some of the tweets that

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I'm reading on it now. Uh. First one, I would like the

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city to explain what is hateful about
id I thentitarian social gatherings. Yeah,

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what's wrong for me? Identitarian?
Right? Identitarian? That I had to

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say it's slow, just so that
I can get my hooked on phonics worked

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for me out, you know.
Yeah, that's important. You know,

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sound it out back in the day. Yeah, sound it out, That's

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how you learn words. Here's another
one. Guys, white people should not

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be forced to interact with non whites
until non whites lower their crime rate.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
this whole crime you know, dog whistle

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and you know, to be honest
with you, I can do a whole

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show just on that tweet alone and
why it's fallacious. But let's move on.

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Uh, here's another one. There's
lots of black only groups, Asian

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groups, et cetera. The way
they phrase this was reminiscence of segregation.

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But if they had some mom and
tots European group or something similar, it

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wouldn't be any different than private groups
for black families. And that's the tweet

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that I really want to focus on, because, honey, there is a

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difference between even saying that mom's fur
tats for European groups or something similar is

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just like saying, you know,
private groups for black families or Asian families

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or Hispanic families or the like,
Right, And I wanted to just bring

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us back, as we were talking
about earlier, concerning history in the Americas.

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Now what they get wrong about this
commentary saying that moms and tots European

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group is not the same, is
not the same as non whites who have

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groups. The groups that are non
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groups to themselves. When you look
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even Canada, they formed because segregation
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practiced actually in both countries. Canada
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to segregation, to racism and also
systemic racism, since all of us on

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the panel are very aware of Jim
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Act and also the Chinese Exclusion Act. Like the United States, racial segregation

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in Canada applied to all non whites
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court decisions, and social norms,
with a closed immigration system that barred virtually

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all non whites from immigrating until nineteen
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Quebec and Nova Scotia had segregated school
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nineteen seventy seven, the year I
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these practices begin to change. And
the last segregated school in Canada closed in

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nineteen eighty three. That's the year
when the Thriller moved. When the Thriller

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Oh of course, yeah, when
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premiered. Now that you've provided the
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everything's go bas to Michael. But
just outside Halifax, in Lincolnville, Nova

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Scotia, this was a thing.
And I also wanted to find a way

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to kind of like frame my thoughts
as far as like why even though like

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I don't particularly care for the term
people of color, I usually just use

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non white, but why non whites
actually need spaces where they're actually away from

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white. And as much as I
love you Infidel and Scott and Kelly,

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I love you guys, and to
life and and and I look forward to

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the day that all of us can
gather in Austin and drink plenty of beer.

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I would even drink beer with you, even though I can't stand the

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stuff, because I love you a
lot. Man. Love is real is

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real, as as I should have
but not in a in a in a

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creepy way, but abort Yeah we're
moving on. But but I but I

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did pull an article from Aerojona dot
org call white people of color need spaces

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without white people, And I want
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why these spacers were not only created, but why they are still necessary.

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So just in summary, the author
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their own spaces where they can gather
without the influence of white cultural dominance and

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judgment. So it's not necessarily like, oh, we don't like the white

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people, you can't come in here. No, it's not even really about

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white people. It's about actually white
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spaces are seen as essentially for healing, the self discovering, and empowerment,

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and the author actually emphasized sort of
like the ACA, sort of like the

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ACA a healing environment, a place
where people who happened to think like us,

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who are irreligious, who are atheist
agnostic, can gather and be able

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to express our particular thought patterns when
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what the these spaces do is you
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the author even emphasizes valuing and protecting
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and the article even addresses common questions
and misconceptions about POC spaces, including concerns

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about segregation like some of the tweeters
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spaces are not forms of oppression,
but responses to it, providing a temporary

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respite from racism and white dominance.
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inclusiveness can be cultivated in integrated spaces
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doesn't automatically make a space inclusive.
Okay. And you know, one of

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the things that I would even say
even was like doing my atheist activism,

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you know, also working with the
black non believers, even though like this

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particular our our particular organization works with
white organizations, are have allied with white

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organizations. But the thing about it
is is that it actually emphasizes and it

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actually brings platform to black voices because
white dominance and because white supremacy and because

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ideologies like moms for tots is still
very real in our society and non whites

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need a safe place to be themselves. It is not an assault you're here,

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Yeah, It's not an assault on
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from you or for any of us. It has everything to do with being

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able to create a safe space so
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we can be able to be empowered, and we can be able to have

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healed because as we can all mention
that, I believe everybody on this particular

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panel was an extra Christian, some
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Okay, and we in some cases
I know that I am I'm not

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gonna say that I'm gonna speak for
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I am still in the process of
actually deconstructing, deconstructing what that experience was

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like. Okay, And and I'm
grateful for the ACA for being able to

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provide a space where we can actually
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on the you know, the ACA
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but there's a cult, there's an
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to deal with white dominance plus dealing
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whammy. And then in my goodness, don't even add lgbtqya plus on that

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too. Come on, it's important
to have triple whammy exactly Scott exactly,

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and so you know, if we
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like, you know, a if
they want to highlight a reason for them

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to gather, like they're all moms, okay, and me being a new

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mother ish, I'm always looking at
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asking my child, what the hell
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especially as parents, never have advice
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wants to share their experience. Never. I've been on both sides of Hello,

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Hello, you know. But but
one of the things that I just

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want to say specifically about that particular
article is that it does actually call for

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support for these particular spaces as a
means of subverting white cultural conditioning and fostering

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genuine inclusivity, and an invice readers
to become accomplices in this effort and highlights

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the significance of these spaces for the
collection liberation of all of our society.

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So as much as we want non
white spaces to thrive, we want atheist

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spaces to thrive. And if you
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