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Get some facts and come back and
Seebee. Get some facts and come back

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and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries
or other things. Get some facts and

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come back and Seebee. You can't
handle the true now told our players you

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need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats

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in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my

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extra bands on, I got my
other shoes. Be a doll. We

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don't need no meals. We don't
need no cats. We need more dogs.

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Were out a detainer. Ah,
you're not that decayed. We weren't

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good. There's no sense of asking
me things about the game. I'm telling

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you. We laid an egg.
So I'm not gonna break it down for

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you. He sucks. He sucked. We laid an egg. That's all

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I have to say. Guys,
I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break it

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down for you. Nothing went well
for us. It's on us. We

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have to figure it out every way. A da Are you a dog or

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are you a cat? I don't
care as long as you're a sports fan.

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Welcome to Exus and Bros. Monday
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to twenty one thousand on Matt Sheppard.

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Trent Bally is our producer. Tiger
is a winner yesterday by a run.

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They have at least salvaged a split
with Cleveland with the series wrap up.

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Jack Flaherty on the bump here today. Meanwhile, Team USA beats Team Canada

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in the US Olympic Exhibition game in
Vegas. Right it was in Vegas or

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was it Arizona? I thought it
was in Vegas. And Derek White takes

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the place of Kawhi Leonard, who's
off Team USA because of an injury.

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Our poll question for you today,
and we have one for you every day.

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Which of these events are you most
interested in? Euro Soccer Championships,

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Wimbledon, Scottish Open, NBA Summer
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handle XP Mornings. You can vote
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We'll give you the results at this
time tomorrow morning. Our pole question from

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yesterday, who was the best free
agent? Acquisition in Detroit. Was it

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Vladimir Tarasenko with the Red Wings,
Tobias Harris with the Pistons, DJ Reader

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with the Lions, or Kevin Zeitler
with the Lions Trent Bally? What were

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the final results? A little surprising
but a welcome surprise for Lions fans.

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DJ Reader gets forty five percent of
the vote. Wow. I think that

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speaks to how high Lions fans are
and Alie McNeil, they're big on the

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defensive middle DJ Reader, that's huge. Oh that stuns me me too.

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I thought I thought it would have
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number three Reader and number four Harris. That was my prediction and you're

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almost correct. I mean you're correct. With Harris in last place. He

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got seven percent of the vote.
Vladimir Tarasenko got second place with thirty one

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percent. Zeitler got seventeen percent.
But I'm with you, Shev. I

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thought Zeitler would be the popular pick
there. Yeah, just because we believe

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I paint us all with the broad
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believe that's the strongest part of the
Detroit Lions is their offensive line. When

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you lose a keeb component to that
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You need to replace that with a
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Really good guard, but good results. We appreciate it. Again. We've

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got our poll question up there for
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vote on as often as you want, and we'll give you the results at

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this time tomorrow morning. Jim Camberoni's
going to join us from Spartan mag at

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eight thirty five. We'll talk a
little Michigan State football. Change things up.

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Speaking of football, though, and
I do want to before we do

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that, let me just get to
a tweet that somebody sent me regarding the

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Jim Bowden discussion we had earlier on
where the Tigers and other teams stand with

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about twenty days left before the trade
deadline. We read you that article a

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lot of it. Coach aj En
sent me a tweet and said, we

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stand pat don't do either. Might
be the only way to get Mayaida off

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the team. There's another person,
not a fan of Kenta Maaida. I

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tweeted this out because I think it's
a really cool, really cool article on

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Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning is very
likable otherwise he doesn't do as many commercials

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as he does. He and Shaquille
O'Neal and Charles Barkley very likable people.

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There was a recent question, I
think it was from NFL Network who asked

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him, if there's one wide receiver
you could throw to that you never did,

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who would it be. Now,
this is a guy who's thrown to

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some of the best receivers in the
game and helped them become among the best

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receivers in the game. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Damarius Thomas, Emmanuel

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Sanders among the Julian Lleman, all
those guys, or I'm sorry, Wes

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Welker, not Julian Edelman. Who
do you think Peyton Manning chose Jerry Rice?

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It's a good one. He chose
Raymond Barry, who played for the

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Colts from nineteen fifty five through nineteen
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six time All Pro, won a
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the Colts all time receiving list,
third on the all time receiving touchdowns list.

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Maybe some of it has to do
with the fact that Peyton Manning really

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respected Johnny Unitas and that was the
connection. Remember when Unitas passed and Manning

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wanted to play in high top black
cleats because that was Johnny Unitas's signature,

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and he was going to get fined
by the NFL. What a ridiculous thing.

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The NFL was going to find that
one of the faces of the league.

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They were going to find him for
wearing high top cleats. That's idiocy

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in honor of a legend of said
league, right in honor of one of

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the greatest players the league has ever
had. And that's what you're gonna do.

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Idiocy. But whatever, Peyton Manning. Maybe it's because of that connection.

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Raymond Burry a longtime great Colt,
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time. But I still find it
pretty interesting. But it did get me

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thinking this. So I wanted to
ask you and would love your participation.

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Somebody's already participated in on Twitter at
XP mornings. I ask you this when

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it comes to this type of question, let's try to bring fans into it.

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If you could watch one player in
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somebody you've never seen, you've only
heard about, who you never watched,

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who would it be? Number of
names came flying through my mind, and

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we're just talking football here, by
the way, just football. Somebody tweeted

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at us on XP Mornings Calvin Johnson, which surprises me. Calvin Johnson hasn't

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been retired that long. You never
saw him play, That's strange. Well,

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maybe they're answering it from the from
the Manning angle of like, who

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would you if you're a quarterback,
who do you want to throw to?

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Well, I tweeted out this Peyton
Manning says he if he could throw to

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one receiver he never threw to,
who would it be? Raymond Barry?

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So we're asking who would be the
one player you wish you could see after

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missing them in their prime. So
we're not restricting this to football. I

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am restricting it to football. You
are okay, Okay. I gave my

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answer yesterday. Lawrence Taylor. I
just you hear all about him as a

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football fanatic and how much of a
freak he was. I would have loved

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to watch Lawrence Taylor rehab it.
Yeah, you would have loved it.

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So my mind went to a lot
of different places, and I think the

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easy answer to that is sometimes,
well I never saw Bart's Starr play,

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so I'd love to see bart Starr. I never saw Johnny Unitas play,

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so I would have loved to have
seen Johnny Unitas or you know some people

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with I don't know Merlin Olsen,
who was part of a really good defensive

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line. Right. Maybe maybe a
guy like Otis Sis drunk back in the

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Oakland Day, Bubba Smith, how
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my mind went, so to two
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have seen Kirk Gibson play at Michigan
State. Now he's a friend of mine,

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and I know how good he was. He wasn't good, he was

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great. First Team All American,
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Enjoy and go grill. Jim Cambarani
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the hour, looking forward to that. He has sparkan mad. We will

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talk MSU football and really looking forward
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bros. Monday through Friday from six
until nine. Just before the break,

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we referenced the article where Peyton Manning
revealed the one wide receiver in NFL history

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he'd like to throw a pass to
who he never got to, and it

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was Raymond Berry of the Baltimore Colts. I ask you give me the player

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you would love to watch in his
prime but never had a chance to.

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Who's the one player college bro one
of both Just football now on Twitter,

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Trent Bally at Trent Bally b A
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picture with the lion's hat on there. So here's here's the Twitter. Let's

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see. Somebody wrote Calvin Johnson and
I wrote back, h good one.

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It's too bad you never got a
chance to see him. I'm surprised that

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must be a very young person on
Twitter who's sending us that. Yeah,

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if your answer is Kellen Johnson,
I don't think you're legally allowed to have

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a Twitter account. Yeah, not
just not just that you must not be

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a football fan. I mean that's
that's crazy because he hasn't been retired too

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long. Andrew on Twitter said,
ray Nichke grew up listening to my grandfather

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telling me stories about him. See. I love that. That's why I

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gave it a love. I think
it's awesome that he goes that deep.

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Ray Nichki was an absolute badass.
I'm not let's not don't go Hollywood and

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the longest yard. Ray Nichki,
he was in the original movie there,

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but this is a guy who played
for the Green Bay Packers. Was actually

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a third round draft pick. Yeah, a third round pick round draft pick

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in the nineteen fifty eight NFL draft. A guy by the name of King

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Hill was the first player chosen in
that draft. I know. But Ray

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Nichki ended up being a Hall of
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NFL championships with Vince Lombardi and the
Green Bay Packers. A phenomenal player.

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He was as mean and tough as
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was the first Jack Lambert no teeth
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his mask and wanted to tear your
head off. That's a really good one.

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Here's another one from Randy Bobby Lane. There's some Lions love right there,

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no doubt about that. I'm going
to ask Jim Camperoni that very question.

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Just ask him, get his thoughts
on it. He writes for Spartan

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magg He's going to join us at
thirty five after the hour, I wrote

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Gail Sayers. Now, I'm sure
a lot of people have heard of Gail

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Sayers. Please not because of the
Brian Piccolough story, just because he was

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one of, if not well Jim
Brown. He's one of the greatest running

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backs of all time. Here's the
unique thing about Gail Sayers, not that

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he played at Kansas. The unique
thing about him is that he only played

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seven years in the NFL. And
you really can't even call it seven because

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his last two years he played it
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he really only had five really good
years, and one of those years he

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was injured as well, because he
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then. In fact, today Gabel
Sears would be severely criticized for being injury

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prone and not being a gamer because
of the five If I can call him

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full seasons again, in nineteen sixty
eight, when he was twenty five years

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old, he only played nine games, so on those five seasons, he

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only played a full season three times. He was Rookie of the Year in

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nineteen sixty five, again out of
Kansas, Rookie of the Year unanimous I

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think, finished fourth in the MVP
the following season, led the league in

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rushing and yards per game. Two
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twenty five, led the league in
yards per attempt and in his last full

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season before he got injured in nineteen
sixty nine, he led the league in

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attempts, in yards and yards per
game. But if I said to you

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this player, forget about the name
for a minute. This player played seven

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seasons, sixty five games, rushed
for under five thousand yards, but is

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in the Hall of Fame and only
rushed for thirty nine touchdowns. He only

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back in the day when they actually
ran the ball a lot more than they

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do today, Gail Sayers had double
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rookie year, here's the difference.
Gail Sears not only was majestical and fluid

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as a running back, he was
the best kick and punt returner of his

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era. They did the double duty
back then. So he's scoring touchdowns,

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he's returning kicks, he's returning punts. He was phenomenal in that regard to

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part of the reason he's a Hall
of Famer. Plus he was a rock

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solid human being. So Gail Sears
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some of it personal? Yes?
Yes? And I was really little when

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he played, and I do remember
him catching passes from Eddie Smith just from

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discussions of people talking about it.
You know, college football, it's not

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like every game was on TV back
then, but that dude was an absolute

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man amongst boys. When he played
at Michigan State University. He would literally

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tell guys, Trent, you're trying
to cover me, I'm going to run

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a post and there's nothing you can
do about it. And he would do

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just that. And he is a
legend on that campus and rightfully so,

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absolutely as an All American in football
and an All American in baseball, would

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have been a first round pick in
the NFL draft had he chosen to play

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NFL, and he was a first
round pick in Major League Baseball. You

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talk about an athlete like he could
have run track too. He would have

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won as fast as a guy back
then as you could find. He could

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have done the decathlon. Yeah,
yeah, he would have been. Yeah,

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I would have put him up against
Bruce Jenner. Different now, but

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I would have put him up against
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not just because of his athleticism,
but because of his attitude too. He

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would will himself into events that maybe
he wasn't as strong at and he's still

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doing that great attitude, great fighters
mentality right now. KRK Gibson had a

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great teammate, Love the man.
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bros. Across the Great State of
Michigan. Trent Bally is our producer.

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I'm Matt Sheppard, and we're proud
and honored to welcome in Jim Comparoni of

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Spartan mag He's the publisher of that
fine publication since nineteen ninety seven. He's

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covered MSU football and basketball and recruiting
since nineteen eighty eight. He's a lead

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analyst and sports editor for Spartan Magazine
and he's covered NCAA tournaments, He's covered

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final fours, he's covered bowl games. He's got great stuff. You can

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follo him on Twitter or on x
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of the different things that he does, like on three dot com where he's

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really good in breaking down a lot
of the things that Michigan State football has

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done and their depth chart and things
of that. Everything that has go green,

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go white you can find with Jim
Comperoni. And we welcome him in

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on this Thursday morning. Jim,
appreciate the time very much. Jonathan Smith

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has hit the ground running. What's
impressed you most in his first few months

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at the Helm there at East Lansing. Hey, great, It's great to

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be on man. I really appreciate
things for that introduction Helloed everybody, Detroit.

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This is a lot of fun for
me. I appreciate it. You

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know Smith, you know, a
lot of things are impressive. His temperament,

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the things you hear about him from
other people that have played for him

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as a player or coached with him. Solid human being which we need more

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of in college football. You hear
a lot of those things from a lot

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of people. You know. Demetrius
Martin is his cornerbacks coach. He's coming

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from the University of Oregon. Demetri
is also coached at UCLA Arizona State.

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They're both you know, grew up
around the Pasadena area. They've known each

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other a long time. They're finally
coaching together now. Demetris Martin played at

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Michigan State in the in the mid
nineteen nineties, first for Perlis and then

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for Staban. So Demetrius Martin has
coached against Jonathan Smith a number of times.

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Jonathan Smith coming from Arizona State and
coached out of the Pac twelfth and

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Martin says he's a defensive coach.
Getting prepared for those Oregon State teams,

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especially his last two teams at Oregon
State. He said it was a headache

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Oregon State made you defend every blade
of grass vertically, horizontally, and physically,

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and then they would hit you with
with deep shots. An interesting style

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of offense. They'll go under center
more than any At Oregon State, they

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were under center for the quarterback position
more than any team in the Power five,

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but they would also go deep off
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That established the physicality and then go
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Offensive style wise, Oregon State last
year reminded me a lot of the way

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Jim Harbaugh's offenses were at Michigan the
last few years. So Jonathan Smith,

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former college quarterback, has I would
say like a Jim Harbaugh outlook on how

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to attack defenses. And I think
that style of play can play well in

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the Big Ten and they will recruit
to it, primarily with the Midwest and

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branching out from there. So the
things I hear about him from people that

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have played for him and coached against
him, coach with him, good person

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and competitive, which doesn't always come
across when you talk to him. Always

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talk about how competitive he is.
So all those things, step by step

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give Michigan State a chance to rebuild
a program from foundational standpoint it's going to

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take a while, but I think
they've got a pretty good person to try

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to get those things done. Yeah, I agree, And I think it

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says an awful lot about Michigan State
when you can take a guy from his

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alma mater to come to East Lansing
in this type of quote unquote rebuild.

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Whether we like it or not,
Jim, we're all compared to somebody,

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Okay, and with Jonathan Smith,
he's going to be compared and every football

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coach at MSU probably should be compared
to Mark D'Antonio. And you mentioned a

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good person, Well, I think
that's similar to D'Antonio, because D'Antoni was

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a good man. Right. There
are other aspects of him as a coach

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that he will have to adjust to
and that he will have to be in

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order to try and create his own
shadow rather than Mark D'Antonio. What will

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be his biggest challenge in his first
year? In his first year, you

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know, taking over a program that's
had a lot of players leaving and a

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lot of players coming in. I
think forty or more new new faces and

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new scholarship players when he count the
incoming freshmen. So getting a team atmosphere,

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finding leaders, gaining the trust of
the players, which I think he

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has. You know, that's that's
that's one thing. You know, the

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Big ten is strong. Everybody knows
that Michigan State's schedule is difficult. Everybody's

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scheduled the Big that is difficult,
but it's also somewhat manageable in some ways.

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But in terms of what you said
about biggest challenges, you know,

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in the middle of the schedule,
dealing with Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon

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in Iowa. Those four games come
right in the middle of the schedule.

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But I think the thing that's going
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be two early season games at Maryland
at Boston College. So these, you

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know, challenges is getting off to
a good start. Winning those two manageable

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road games difficult Maryland, you know, that's an established program, you know

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that's been in bowl games the last
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that'll be that's going to be a
test to see if to see where

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Michigan State is there early in the
year doing that with Aid and Giles a

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new quarterback. Giles has all kinds
of talent. He needs to show that

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he can make reads and lead the
team. Offensive line has had a lot

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of change over It was somewhat disappointing
the last couple of years. Now there's

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new people, a lot of unproven
parts of that offensive line, So a

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lot of in terms of unproven players
offensive line and quarterback, and going on

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the road for those two early games
in September. I think those are the

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immediate challenges. Yeah, that's a
really good point, especially with Maryland.

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I would argue that, you know, what Mike Loxley has done there has

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been pretty impressive. You get a
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the schedule. I think that's something
on which you can build. You bring

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up the quarterback Giles and you said
learning to read defenses as a former quarterback

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himself, Jonathan Smith, how much
will it help building a quarterback room in

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East Lansing And what's the depth chart
look like? You know, Chiles has

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all kinds of talent. He was
a four star guy out for California.

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He's a big time recruit that went
to Oregon State last year backed up d

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de huey i'ngalalay at Oregon State.
When Jonathan Smith and the staff came to

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Michigan State Child's game with him,
and he's a dynamic talent, dynamic personality.

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He does have some natural leadership skills, all kinds of arm, six

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foot four, really good quickness,
really good speed. They used him as

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a backup last year. You know, they'd usually give him one series per

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game in the second quarter. I
mean he's out there in Utah when Utah

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was four and oh, and he's
got a series early in the second quarter,

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so he had some real experience.
It was not just mop up duty.

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He needs to show he can make
reads. That's something I ate Matt.

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I went over every pass completion that
he made last year on TATE and

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I watched the entire Utah game,
the entire Stanford game, and you don't

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really see him make reads and go
to his second and third option. He

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didn't do that yet, and he
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So in terms of reading a defense
and those progressions, that's something that needs

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to come around as he gets gets
set for his sophomore year and then it'll

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run some you know. No,
they began that Utah game empty, you

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know, with the receiver a tight
end out five wide and the defense of

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scrambling a point, decide what they're
gonna do, because they prepared for a

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team that would go, you know, tight end one back and ram it

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down your throat. So they'll do
all those things, and he can run

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a lot of those things. And
they've got the tight end Jack Velling coming

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with him from Oregon State. You
know, one publication ranked Velling the Pac

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twelve tight end of the Year last
year, so the tight end position is

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in good hands. The center position
is also coming from Oregon State, Tanne

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Miller, second team of All Pac
twelve. So those things helped Smith as

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he gets his offense established and it's
going to be a physical style of offense,

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but that doesn't guarantee immediate success of
course. You know at Oregon State

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he began to inten in his first
year, then five and seven, then

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the COVID year. Then they started
getting a lot of momentum seven and six

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and twenty twenty one, and then
had a big year in twenty twenty two,

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going ten and three, beating Florida
in a Bowl game, finishing number

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seventeen in the country, and last
year eight and four and also the top

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twenty five. So it's going to
take a while, but I'm impressed with

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the offensive line coach and the style
of play, Brian Linkred coming with him

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from Morgan State to be offensive coordinator. A lot of interesting things to watch

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and a lot of new names at
Michigan State for Michigan State fans to try

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to memorize and become familiar with.
Yeah, so much good stuff at Spartan

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Meg. We're talking with Jim Camperoni, who is the editor and the main

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guy right there right the publisher of
Spartan Mag. And he's been doing it

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sinceeen ninety seven. It's amazing how
much content you provide. You brought up

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a couple of names and folks.
If it's not just Michigan State players now

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even the radar like so, it's
a really good recruiting piece on Spartan Mag.

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On the Radar for twenty six of
five Wars star quarterback Nathan Bernhard providing

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an eye full at Michigan State camp. It's worth a read if you follow

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the green and the white. Now
you mentioned the offensive line, which is

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it's the backbone, man, It's
the reason you win. I believe in

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football. Dan Campbell has proved with
the Lions last year. Jim Harbaugh was

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a big believer in it. I
would assume Jonathan Smith has a similar philosophy.

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And you brought up the center Tanner
Miller, but also you wrote about

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Luke Newman, who's poised to make
an impact at right guard. Give me

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the overall philosophy you think that jon
Jonathan Smith brings to Michigan State and how

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quickly he can implement that in this
program. Yes, in a moment ago

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you asked me on the death start
at quarterback, I wanted to mention also

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that the second stringer is Tommy Schuster
from Chippewa Valley High School, Macomb Township,

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Michigan. Yeah, transferring in from
North Dakota, and he went out

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to North Dakota through for nine thousand
yards you know, school wrecord holder in

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yards and touchdowns and you know sixty
seven completion. He's only six feet tall,

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you know. I I've not spoken
with him yet. I'm pretty sure

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that the Max schools did not recruit
him coming out of Chippewaba. I think

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I think you're right about that.
I think he played in a state championship

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and I called his game, so
I think you're right about that. I

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was surprised that no Max School jumped
on him. Good point. Yeah,

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and by the way, a great
job of those high school games. Just

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last night, I was I was
watching Trey McKenny from Older Lake Saint Mary's

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McCormick and the other guy called that
one. But I went over. I

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was clearing my DVR, and you
know, I didn't really get a chance

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to watch. I was covering the
NCAA tournament and I watched some of your

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calls just last night. It's a
great job either state championship cull. Okay,

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yeah, you call it game with
Tommy Schuster and you know Shuster.

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You may remember they won the state
title at Chippewah Valley and he was something

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like fourteen of fourteen in the state
title game. The only person that's ever

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done that really good. You talk
about making reads, I went back of

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some of the North Dakota games.
Makes Reid's very accurate. He's only six

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feet tall and he's not that fast. So that's that's why he ended up

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at North Dakota. He went there, started for four and a half years,

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set school records, you know,
graduated there, went into the portal

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and you know, always wanted to
play in the Big Ten always wanted to

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see if he could make it at
a school like Michigan State, and Michigan

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State did a good job going into
the portal and getting him presumably his backup.

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But I tell you what the coaches
when you ask him about Schuster,

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they smile and they just kind of
nod and say, man, that guy

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can play quarterback. So when Smith
took over, Mischigan State's quarterbacks went into

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the portal, you know, Noah
Kim and kateon Hauser, and you know

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when they showed up, they had
no scholarship quarterbacks on campus. That's the

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first time that's been the case of
Michigan State's at the World War Two,

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So they had to completely stock the
quarterback position. Chiles was coming in,

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they went and got Schuster and a
couple of high school guys. So that

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that's that's what the depth chart looks
there. You know you mentioned Luke Newman.

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You know, what we're doing is
a series right now in Michigan State.

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We are going over every single position
on the depth chart I'm doing.

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I'm doing a series of stories in
which I project what I think the depth

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chart is. Because Michigan State has
not released an official depth chart since Mark

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D'Antonio was at Michigan State. So
I'm just going by what I saw in

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the spring game, what I've heard
from coaches here and there, what I've

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seen with my own eyes. A
lot of these players coming in as as

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transfers, so you have to imagine
some of these things. Now, Luke

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Newman. I did ask Michigan State's
off at the Wine coach Jim Halting,

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when I saw him at one of
the camps out at Wayne State a few

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weeks ago. I asked him about
Newman because Newman didn't play for Mischigan State

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during spring practice. He's transferring in
from holy Cross. He's from Birmingham Brother

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Rice. Really good offensive lineman,
but we was recruited at kind of that,

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you know FCS level went to holy
Cross three times all Patriot League.

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I went and watched his film against
Boston College. They're one game against a

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Power five team, and he was
left tackle for holy Cross, and I

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think he looked better at left tackle
against Boston College to Michigan State's left tackles

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half the last two years. I
think Luke Newman from Brother Rice comes in

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as a graduate as a senior.
Now, Mahaltick told me he's going to

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be beginning at right guard, so
that's where I'm writing about him in this

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depth chart preview. But I like
it. He's got quickness, he's a

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mature, mature athlete, and he's
sitting nicely in there at right guard.

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I don't discount the possibility that he
could end up at tackle. And I

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think he's a good, solid,
bona fide Big Ten player transferring in a

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brother Rice product come in from Holy
Cross. Yeah, and you wrote about

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Christian Phillips at left guard. How
does this team you mentioned first year there's

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going to be some growing pains.
We get it. We understand that he's

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changing the culture to a certain extent
by bringing some guys in. How does

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this team, lack of a better
phrase, tread water in year one?

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Do you think what do they rely
on? Got to get that run game

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going and from their counter boot play
action, rollout passing quarterbacks, got to

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make reads, offensive lines, got
to keep them clean to an extent.

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You know, they got a couple
good running backs show Nathan Carter's coming back,

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had a pretty good year last year. Kay Ron Adams is the guy

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transferring in from U mass Those two
running backs solid players. You know,

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Jalen Berger transferred out. He was
repping behind those guys, and you know,

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the wide receivers need to come around. You know, Montory Foster is

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a senior more than forty catches last
year, But I'm not sure they've that

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they've got, like, you know, real game breaking, proven type wide

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receivers. And as you know,
over the years of State, when they

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whether they've had good teams or bad
teams, they've always had really good wide

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receivers, proven wide receivers. This
year, going into the year, this

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might be the most unproven batch of
wide receivers i've seen a mission State Gates.

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That doesn't mean that they won't get
it done. But you know,

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Nick marsh coming in as a true
freshman from River Rouge, the most talented

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guy in the room, I would
say, I think he's going to have

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an impact. So there's a lot
of question marks, but you know,

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there's a smattering of talent and a
lot of these guys want to be coached

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up. They want some discipline.
I think that discipline and attentiveness was lacking

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the last two years with mel Tucker
defense. A lot of transfers coming in

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the defense ranked outside the top one
hundred the last two years. Scotty Hazelton

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never really got his defense, you
know, untracked and you know, tightened

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up it. It didn't work out. Joe Rossi coming in as the new

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defensive coordinator was good at Minnesota.
You know last year they were young at

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Minnesota on defense. Prior to that, I thought Minnesota was one of the

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more underrated defenses in the Big Ten. And I wrote and told my writers

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when they played Minnesota two years ago, everybody, this is after Michigan State

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won the Peach Bowl. Missisters State
was in the top twenty and they just

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lost out at Washington. Coming back
home, I said, I predicted Minnesota

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is going to beat Michigan, mister
State. It's gonna be a tough game.

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And a lot of my readers gave
me a lot of flak for that.

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Man, they didn't believe it at
all. But that defense that Joe

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Rossi had at Minnesota, I was
impressed with, reminded me of Iowa defenses

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a little bit. I think Jonathan
Smith did a really great job going to

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get a Big Ten defensive coordinator with
Midwestern ties to come in and take over

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a defense that had been the leaguer
for two years. Yeah, that's good

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stuff, man. There's a reason
you're the king of East Lansing and Michigan

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State. Jim Comperoni, thanks for
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