Shit. Belfast preacher says, well shit Belfass Tree preacher who said gays are
out to rape our children and our country from Northern Ireland complains of being vilified
Barry Duke, the Angry Atheist from August the second, twenty twenty three.
Now, I have a lot to say on this, but I'll be talking
for a very long time. So before I go into my great big grand
Scott, what do you think? So we have this guy right, and
he's he's saying these terrible things, and then when he's getting any pushback,
all of a sudden it's whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a second,
you know, no persecuting me. I'm being vilified, you know. To
me, the saddest thing about this story is that it's not really news,
right. This is something that's becoming quite popular in certain circumstances. We hear
things like mothers are murdering their children, don't you aren't you against murder?
Immigrants are stealing our jobs? Aren't you against stealing? And so now hear
he's saying the gays are raping our children. Aren't you against rape? I
mean, it's it's a common approach to imply exaggeration and hyperbole like this because
we want to fire up that lizard brain and trigger that fight or flight response.
But let's you know, let's not worry about having anything like evidence or
rationality. I mean, that doesn't get the job done nearly as well as
the old hate, greed, fear, and disgusted. Right, that's when
you're when you're pushing that bad message. You gotta go with your starters.
Ben, what do you think. Yeah, So, something that stands out
to me, especially with this article and others very similar to it. It's
it's kind of odd combination of the way that they use the term rape and
then minimize the severity of sexual assaults, like they're just throwing it out for
the queer people are obviously doing this and this is the same way that they
were doing this for people of color and for Jews and for other minority groups
throughout history. Is when you want to get rid of another group, you
say that they're doing horrendous crimes against people, and that's how you stir the
pot, like like you're saying it stirs up outrage, and the fact that
they're willing to throw around this term so casually, whereas like it's raping the
minds for children to be learning about queer identities in school, or for queer
people to have pride events or anything like that's on the same level as sexual
assault in these people's minds. But then you have the actual crimes of sexual
assault happening in the churches, and so your preachers that are calling out queer
communities for these these things that they're equating to sexual assaults, but then their
own organizations that minimize and hides the crime of sexual assault isn't doing anything about
it. So you can tell that this is a disproportionate reaction to something small
and then hiding where the problem actually is. So that's kind of the big
thing that I saw, and I'm sure you all saw the same thing with
this, And I think Helen's thoughts because yes, so definitely I have some
thoughts on this sad, strained, sick little man. And I'm kind of
getting tired of this narrative of another hate preacher screaming about like how us queer
people are the worst kind of human beings, you know, and we're now
escalating it. And it's the same thing, as you pointed, out of
this rhetoric of about you know, raping everyone and everything, and I was
like, hmm, this is news. I didn't think this was part of
the queer agenda. I want to, you know, equal rights, be
able to play video games and drink wine and not worry about terrible people in
the world. But Ryan Williamson had to come out and say terrible things.
Now though, like I guess I could be happy that the USA doesn't have
the worst type of people. Yeah, gross and not anything to celebrate.
And I do want to point out that. And Dick correct his words at
once. The media called him out on his hateful rhetoric and he got some
black lush. So you know, let's just let's just read. Let me
read what he said. Okay, so he said outrageous is taking out of
context. I'm saying is what is? What I mean is that our kids
are being indoctrinated by a melted homosexual agenda. It's the rape of their identity.
Let me be clear. I meant our country and our kids are being
raped by the woke homosexual ideology. We are not fighting against people, We're
fighting against an ideology. That's where my fight is now. He might have
some plausible deniability here, but it doesn't fix it. It's just a terrible
take on a whole group of people who just want to love who they want
to love and leave their lives. And he did this so he could attack
a Belfast Pride event because I guess rainbows and enjoy in his view are bad.
I don't know if there's enough evidence for him to face any sort charges
because it is just speech. But I would like to hope that going forward
that he will continue to say horrible things and he will just fall away into
the ether. That that would be ideal, because anything he's saying is just
another hateful person that needs to you know, express things about you know,
things that they don't like because they find queer people ikey. And I'm sorry,
I'm not responsible for you feeling icky about our exists. So that's kind
of you know, I'm just a little tired of these mofos, you know,
going around spreading out this hatred because I don't know, and using terrible
language about things about sexual assault, like it's just gross and terrible, but
it's not anything we haven't seen before. So, Phoebe, I know you
have a rant, So go off on your rant, my friend. So
where does one begin? First of all, I'll crawl out from hiding under
the covers as to what the man actually said in the first place, and
I'll look at the small sick counties that are currently attached to a country that
is part of the European Union, and is the Irish Sea away from my
country that I like to call home. I'm not quite sure where this gentleman
decided that he was going to get any kind of traction in the United Kingdom
consciousness or even the Irish Republic consciousness, because this man is so far from
the apple tree that the apple tree has gone so far into the distance he
now thinks he's looking at an apple tree when he's actually looking at the house
it's next to. This man has gone round the looney bin, and it
is amazing that this man uses the terminology of sexual assault and rape. When
churches grew out the Island of Ireland engaged in what Shinaid O'Connor rest, that
woman for her activism, said was one of the biggest scandals nobody is outraged
about. And when she tore up a picture of the them, Pope Don
Paul the second to make that point that the Irish churches, the Catholic churches,
the churches all over Ireland were engaged in sexual assault and rape of children.
She was spot on. And it is people like this, these hypocrites,
these lunatics, these absolute narcissistic pieces of absolute detritus that are using the
same language to attack a community that all they want to do is get on
and live their life in peace, and to go and have an argument with
their husband or wife of choice, and they get divorced from their husband or
wife of choice, and they get married to their husband or wife of choice,
and to fall in love with whoever they want to fall in love.
It is disgusting that the language being used here is the same as what was
done to innocent children all over the island of Ireland. And this is where
the hypocrisy stinks. And this is why this makes me angry. I hear
attacks on my identity because I am a Jewish woman, simply because I am
a Jewish woman. And it is the thing where people when you complain about
when I call out someone who's an anti Semite and they say I'm persecuting them,
it is no different to this idiot turning around and saying I'm being persecuted
because I'm a bigot. This isn't a news story, but it neither light
shined on it. So my question to the rest of the panel is was
the media right to even report this in the first place. Bit, I
think it's fine to shame the person. I think the more people that shames
him, the better, because I think ideas don't have rights, and I
especially don't think that you have the right to say things without opposition. So
I hope that he feels humiliated by that. I really hope he does.
Like it's not me wishing him ill for like being a person who believes certain
things, but he did an action that was poor and that is affecting other
people's lives in very negative ways and causing harm to people, and so for
that, I think he should feel humiliated about it. You know, I
don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of the whole,
oh, you're taking it out of context thing. I mean that because
that was his response. Okay, he says these hateful things. I don't
know if we've actually shared his words. He said, homosexuals have become so
brazen that they want to rape the righteous, and that's what is happening today.
They want to rape our children, they want to rape our country,
they want to pillage, and they want to pilfer all in the name of
love. Okay. And then and then after he got pushback, surprise,
surprise, right, he got some pushback on those are hateful words. His
excuse was, Oh, you're just taking me out of context. And so,
but I would want to know what is the context that he's trying to
that he's trying to spin here as Helen was saying, he said, Oh,
our kids are being raped by awoke homosexual ideology. That was that was
the context that made all of that other stuff. Okay, I mean,
what is the LGBTQ ideology treating human beings as human beings? Is that the
ideology he's talking about. Is it, you know, having everybody have the
same rights, like like Phoebe was saying, but being able to love the
person you want to love? Is that the ideology that they're talking about.
And he's saying that that is equivalent to rape, okay, And so I
don't know, I don't I think he's just being a whiner. I mean
that this is not persecution or vilification. He's just being called out on his
privilege and his bigotry, and I totally lost track of Phoebe's question, what
was the oh should should be? Should we be making this news? I
agree with doctor Ben. I think we need to call this out to make
for first of all, to make people aware that this kind of thing is
happening. I would imagine that there are people that don't necessarily see these particular
news sources or see these particular stories. We're all getting so compartmentalized in the
way that we consume our media. But but I think we need to.
I think it would spark discussion, just like we're having here today. You
know, when people hear these things, then they can talk about them and
come to rational and reasonable decision. Helen, what do you say? So?
I was debating bringing this up when I was reading this article, but
I think it needs to be said. And I'm going to talk about a
triggering topic. So if you need to step away, that's fine. But
I've been a victim of sexual assault and when I hear shit like this,
I get very angry because, as we've all pointed out, rape has a
very specific context in the way that is you, and for someone to flippingly
throw it around to vilify a whole group of people is absolutely disgusting, and
on top of that, you are completely delegimatizing people that have actually been through
sexual assault and sexual abuse. So it drives me crazy because he for some
reason he doesn't like queer people. And then he's equating people like me and
people that are on this panel and the people we supports, equal to people
as rapists because apparently we're raping kids minds if, like I don't know,
they see two men kids or fall in love. Okay to me, I
find this horrible and disgusting. And I keep and I was trying to be
like, you know, like he's just terrible bigot, you know, but
these words have contexts, they have meaning, and if we start using words
like this so flippantly, it ruins, it lessens the impact of what people
are actually going through and suffering from, and it just gets under my skin.
And I do, and I as to answer your question if hebe yes,
I do think that this type of BS needs to be called out and
he should be called a bigot, and he should be called out for being
a terrible person. Because the thing is, though, is that the more
he gets called out, the more pushback he's going to get and the more
because I believe the majority of the people are good and they're going to push
back against this and say you are a asshole, you can't say these things,
and ten that nobody's going to have any sort of a reaction to it,
and Car and Car for what it is a space of fucking b speak.
He's a bigot. I'm Car now, the bigotry duck and he's a
fucking biggot And I'm over it. So I'm sorry, I'm done. I'm
so done with people like this and they need to be called out and they
need the stuff. So anyway, I'm done my rant. Now I'm going
to throw it back to you, Phoebe. Why I take some of my
drink and calm down. So the use of the term indoctrinate is something in
his language which is also very ironic, because what is religion in this day
and age other than the indoctrination of an individual to believe in a certain way
and of a certain belief structure based on certain texts that you believe to be
true. And the fact that it is done to children and is attempting in
America at least to be done countrywide thanks to nine people wearing gowns and six
of them running the show. That is in doctrination. That is an indoctrination
on a country scale, that is indoctrination on a childhood scale. I have
seen leaked documentation where they say you need to make sure your child's believes in
X y Z religion before they are seven years old, because after that time
you have potentially lost them because you haven't indoctrinated them enough. This is the
level of crap that we are dealing with from these hypocrites. To answer my
own question as to whether this person should have been reported on, no,
it should not be given the time of day or the airtime. And the
reason behind that is because there are far bigger things in this world that we
should be reporting on in this work. And it frustrates me that hypocrisy and
lies and bigotry are allowed to manifest themselves in this way. And I can
see Scott burning to say a response to what I've just says, so taken
away, Scott, well, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here,
Phoebe. As I mentioned before, I think it's important that we call
things out, but I think there's room for both. I mean there,
Yes, there are more important things to talk about and to address. Yes,
Uh, having this discussion does elevate to some degree. Uh, this
rhetoric that this that this guy is putting out. But I think that we
need to we need to recognize that this kind of thing, you know,
we have to perform. You know, one of the buzzwords and education is
about being a reflective teacher. Being a reflective teacher, you've got to look
back at yourself. And I think as a society we can also do that
as well. And this would be a perfect example of something that we could
that we could that we could do as it together as as a group,
we could look back. Is this the kind of society we want to be?
Are these the kind of people that we want to have? Now you
make it, you make a fair case that are these the kind of people
that we want to put on our headline? And so, you know,
there's room there's room to be said in either direction. But you know,
I think I think it is you know, I tend to lean a little
bit more towards Yeah. I think we need to, uh, we need
to address it as as a society, and I think that this helps.
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