WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:05.639 Shit. Belfast preacher says, well shit Belfass Tree preacher who said gays are 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:10.960 out to rape our children and our country from Northern Ireland complains of being vilified 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:15.720 Barry Duke, the Angry Atheist from August the second, twenty twenty three. 4 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.120 Now, I have a lot to say on this, but I'll be talking 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:21.839 for a very long time. So before I go into my great big grand 6 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:25.480 Scott, what do you think? So we have this guy right, and 7 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:31.399 he's he's saying these terrible things, and then when he's getting any pushback, 8 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:33.880 all of a sudden it's whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a second, 9 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:37.880 you know, no persecuting me. I'm being vilified, you know. To 10 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.960 me, the saddest thing about this story is that it's not really news, 11 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:46.079 right. This is something that's becoming quite popular in certain circumstances. We hear 12 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:50.759 things like mothers are murdering their children, don't you aren't you against murder? 13 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.960 Immigrants are stealing our jobs? Aren't you against stealing? And so now hear 14 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:00.039 he's saying the gays are raping our children. Aren't you against rape? I 15 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:04.359 mean, it's it's a common approach to imply exaggeration and hyperbole like this because 16 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.480 we want to fire up that lizard brain and trigger that fight or flight response. 17 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.920 But let's you know, let's not worry about having anything like evidence or 18 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:18.760 rationality. I mean, that doesn't get the job done nearly as well as 19 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:23.280 the old hate, greed, fear, and disgusted. Right, that's when 20 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.439 you're when you're pushing that bad message. You gotta go with your starters. 21 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.799 Ben, what do you think. Yeah, So, something that stands out 22 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:34.640 to me, especially with this article and others very similar to it. It's 23 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:40.840 it's kind of odd combination of the way that they use the term rape and 24 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:45.120 then minimize the severity of sexual assaults, like they're just throwing it out for 25 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:48.599 the queer people are obviously doing this and this is the same way that they 26 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:53.040 were doing this for people of color and for Jews and for other minority groups 27 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.840 throughout history. Is when you want to get rid of another group, you 28 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:02.239 say that they're doing horrendous crimes against people, and that's how you stir the 29 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:06.760 pot, like like you're saying it stirs up outrage, and the fact that 30 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.639 they're willing to throw around this term so casually, whereas like it's raping the 31 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:17.560 minds for children to be learning about queer identities in school, or for queer 32 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:23.759 people to have pride events or anything like that's on the same level as sexual 33 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:28.719 assault in these people's minds. But then you have the actual crimes of sexual 34 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.800 assault happening in the churches, and so your preachers that are calling out queer 35 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:37.879 communities for these these things that they're equating to sexual assaults, but then their 36 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:44.840 own organizations that minimize and hides the crime of sexual assault isn't doing anything about 37 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:50.560 it. So you can tell that this is a disproportionate reaction to something small 38 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.520 and then hiding where the problem actually is. So that's kind of the big 39 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.599 thing that I saw, and I'm sure you all saw the same thing with 40 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:05.360 this, And I think Helen's thoughts because yes, so definitely I have some 41 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:10.280 thoughts on this sad, strained, sick little man. And I'm kind of 42 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:16.120 getting tired of this narrative of another hate preacher screaming about like how us queer 43 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:22.039 people are the worst kind of human beings, you know, and we're now 44 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.400 escalating it. And it's the same thing, as you pointed, out of 45 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:31.879 this rhetoric of about you know, raping everyone and everything, and I was 46 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:35.680 like, hmm, this is news. I didn't think this was part of 47 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.240 the queer agenda. I want to, you know, equal rights, be 48 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:43.800 able to play video games and drink wine and not worry about terrible people in 49 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.199 the world. But Ryan Williamson had to come out and say terrible things. 50 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.960 Now though, like I guess I could be happy that the USA doesn't have 51 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.639 the worst type of people. Yeah, gross and not anything to celebrate. 52 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.439 And I do want to point out that. And Dick correct his words at 53 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.479 once. The media called him out on his hateful rhetoric and he got some 54 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:09.400 black lush. So you know, let's just let's just read. Let me 55 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.919 read what he said. Okay, so he said outrageous is taking out of 56 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.279 context. I'm saying is what is? What I mean is that our kids 57 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:24.000 are being indoctrinated by a melted homosexual agenda. It's the rape of their identity. 58 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.160 Let me be clear. I meant our country and our kids are being 59 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.639 raped by the woke homosexual ideology. We are not fighting against people, We're 60 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.560 fighting against an ideology. That's where my fight is now. He might have 61 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:41.759 some plausible deniability here, but it doesn't fix it. It's just a terrible 62 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:46.279 take on a whole group of people who just want to love who they want 63 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.519 to love and leave their lives. And he did this so he could attack 64 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:56.519 a Belfast Pride event because I guess rainbows and enjoy in his view are bad. 65 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.560 I don't know if there's enough evidence for him to face any sort charges 66 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.519 because it is just speech. But I would like to hope that going forward 67 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:11.199 that he will continue to say horrible things and he will just fall away into 68 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.680 the ether. That that would be ideal, because anything he's saying is just 69 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.920 another hateful person that needs to you know, express things about you know, 70 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.480 things that they don't like because they find queer people ikey. And I'm sorry, 71 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.120 I'm not responsible for you feeling icky about our exists. So that's kind 72 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.319 of you know, I'm just a little tired of these mofos, you know, 73 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.800 going around spreading out this hatred because I don't know, and using terrible 74 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:42.600 language about things about sexual assault, like it's just gross and terrible, but 75 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.360 it's not anything we haven't seen before. So, Phoebe, I know you 76 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.000 have a rant, So go off on your rant, my friend. So 77 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.360 where does one begin? First of all, I'll crawl out from hiding under 78 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.519 the covers as to what the man actually said in the first place, and 79 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:03.079 I'll look at the small sick counties that are currently attached to a country that 80 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.519 is part of the European Union, and is the Irish Sea away from my 81 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:13.519 country that I like to call home. I'm not quite sure where this gentleman 82 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.319 decided that he was going to get any kind of traction in the United Kingdom 83 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.920 consciousness or even the Irish Republic consciousness, because this man is so far from 84 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:27.680 the apple tree that the apple tree has gone so far into the distance he 85 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.120 now thinks he's looking at an apple tree when he's actually looking at the house 86 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.439 it's next to. This man has gone round the looney bin, and it 87 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:41.920 is amazing that this man uses the terminology of sexual assault and rape. When 88 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:47.199 churches grew out the Island of Ireland engaged in what Shinaid O'Connor rest, that 89 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:54.439 woman for her activism, said was one of the biggest scandals nobody is outraged 90 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.720 about. And when she tore up a picture of the them, Pope Don 91 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.560 Paul the second to make that point that the Irish churches, the Catholic churches, 92 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:09.560 the churches all over Ireland were engaged in sexual assault and rape of children. 93 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.680 She was spot on. And it is people like this, these hypocrites, 94 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:19.519 these lunatics, these absolute narcissistic pieces of absolute detritus that are using the 95 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:25.439 same language to attack a community that all they want to do is get on 96 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.560 and live their life in peace, and to go and have an argument with 97 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.439 their husband or wife of choice, and they get divorced from their husband or 98 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.439 wife of choice, and they get married to their husband or wife of choice, 99 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.120 and to fall in love with whoever they want to fall in love. 100 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:45.240 It is disgusting that the language being used here is the same as what was 101 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:50.600 done to innocent children all over the island of Ireland. And this is where 102 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:57.240 the hypocrisy stinks. And this is why this makes me angry. I hear 103 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.519 attacks on my identity because I am a Jewish woman, simply because I am 104 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.000 a Jewish woman. And it is the thing where people when you complain about 105 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.639 when I call out someone who's an anti Semite and they say I'm persecuting them, 106 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:15.560 it is no different to this idiot turning around and saying I'm being persecuted 107 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.040 because I'm a bigot. This isn't a news story, but it neither light 108 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.040 shined on it. So my question to the rest of the panel is was 109 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.079 the media right to even report this in the first place. Bit, I 110 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.079 think it's fine to shame the person. I think the more people that shames 111 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:35.200 him, the better, because I think ideas don't have rights, and I 112 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:41.600 especially don't think that you have the right to say things without opposition. So 113 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:43.879 I hope that he feels humiliated by that. I really hope he does. 114 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.480 Like it's not me wishing him ill for like being a person who believes certain 115 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.600 things, but he did an action that was poor and that is affecting other 116 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.720 people's lives in very negative ways and causing harm to people, and so for 117 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.000 that, I think he should feel humiliated about it. You know, I 118 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.000 don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of the whole, 119 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.639 oh, you're taking it out of context thing. I mean that because 120 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:09.639 that was his response. Okay, he says these hateful things. I don't 121 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:15.120 know if we've actually shared his words. He said, homosexuals have become so 122 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.039 brazen that they want to rape the righteous, and that's what is happening today. 123 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.000 They want to rape our children, they want to rape our country, 124 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.240 they want to pillage, and they want to pilfer all in the name of 125 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.120 love. Okay. And then and then after he got pushback, surprise, 126 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.960 surprise, right, he got some pushback on those are hateful words. His 127 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.759 excuse was, Oh, you're just taking me out of context. And so, 128 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.320 but I would want to know what is the context that he's trying to 129 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.799 that he's trying to spin here as Helen was saying, he said, Oh, 130 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.879 our kids are being raped by awoke homosexual ideology. That was that was 131 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.559 the context that made all of that other stuff. Okay, I mean, 132 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:58.360 what is the LGBTQ ideology treating human beings as human beings? Is that the 133 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.720 ideology he's talking about. Is it, you know, having everybody have the 134 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.080 same rights, like like Phoebe was saying, but being able to love the 135 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.679 person you want to love? Is that the ideology that they're talking about. 136 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:13.080 And he's saying that that is equivalent to rape, okay, And so I 137 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.320 don't know, I don't I think he's just being a whiner. I mean 138 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.919 that this is not persecution or vilification. He's just being called out on his 139 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.440 privilege and his bigotry, and I totally lost track of Phoebe's question, what 140 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.879 was the oh should should be? Should we be making this news? I 141 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.960 agree with doctor Ben. I think we need to call this out to make 142 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.840 for first of all, to make people aware that this kind of thing is 143 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:41.399 happening. I would imagine that there are people that don't necessarily see these particular 144 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.200 news sources or see these particular stories. We're all getting so compartmentalized in the 145 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.519 way that we consume our media. But but I think we need to. 146 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.360 I think it would spark discussion, just like we're having here today. You 147 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.200 know, when people hear these things, then they can talk about them and 148 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:03.320 come to rational and reasonable decision. Helen, what do you say? So? 149 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.320 I was debating bringing this up when I was reading this article, but 150 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.600 I think it needs to be said. And I'm going to talk about a 151 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.639 triggering topic. So if you need to step away, that's fine. But 152 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.000 I've been a victim of sexual assault and when I hear shit like this, 153 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:26.559 I get very angry because, as we've all pointed out, rape has a 154 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.679 very specific context in the way that is you, and for someone to flippingly 155 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:39.320 throw it around to vilify a whole group of people is absolutely disgusting, and 156 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.320 on top of that, you are completely delegimatizing people that have actually been through 157 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.399 sexual assault and sexual abuse. So it drives me crazy because he for some 158 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:56.879 reason he doesn't like queer people. And then he's equating people like me and 159 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.039 people that are on this panel and the people we supports, equal to people 160 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.399 as rapists because apparently we're raping kids minds if, like I don't know, 161 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.840 they see two men kids or fall in love. Okay to me, I 162 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:15.039 find this horrible and disgusting. And I keep and I was trying to be 163 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:16.639 like, you know, like he's just terrible bigot, you know, but 164 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:22.399 these words have contexts, they have meaning, and if we start using words 165 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.240 like this so flippantly, it ruins, it lessens the impact of what people 166 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:33.679 are actually going through and suffering from, and it just gets under my skin. 167 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.799 And I do, and I as to answer your question if hebe yes, 168 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.679 I do think that this type of BS needs to be called out and 169 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.600 he should be called a bigot, and he should be called out for being 170 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.960 a terrible person. Because the thing is, though, is that the more 171 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.960 he gets called out, the more pushback he's going to get and the more 172 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.759 because I believe the majority of the people are good and they're going to push 173 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.519 back against this and say you are a asshole, you can't say these things, 174 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.480 and ten that nobody's going to have any sort of a reaction to it, 175 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.000 and Car and Car for what it is a space of fucking b speak. 176 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.279 He's a bigot. I'm Car now, the bigotry duck and he's a 177 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.840 fucking biggot And I'm over it. So I'm sorry, I'm done. I'm 178 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.679 so done with people like this and they need to be called out and they 179 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.120 need the stuff. So anyway, I'm done my rant. Now I'm going 180 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.080 to throw it back to you, Phoebe. Why I take some of my 181 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:28.759 drink and calm down. So the use of the term indoctrinate is something in 182 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:35.039 his language which is also very ironic, because what is religion in this day 183 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.759 and age other than the indoctrination of an individual to believe in a certain way 184 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:46.240 and of a certain belief structure based on certain texts that you believe to be 185 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.519 true. And the fact that it is done to children and is attempting in 186 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:56.120 America at least to be done countrywide thanks to nine people wearing gowns and six 187 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.080 of them running the show. That is in doctrination. That is an indoctrination 188 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:07.799 on a country scale, that is indoctrination on a childhood scale. I have 189 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:15.759 seen leaked documentation where they say you need to make sure your child's believes in 190 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.080 X y Z religion before they are seven years old, because after that time 191 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.759 you have potentially lost them because you haven't indoctrinated them enough. This is the 192 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:30.039 level of crap that we are dealing with from these hypocrites. To answer my 193 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.399 own question as to whether this person should have been reported on, no, 194 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.360 it should not be given the time of day or the airtime. And the 195 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:41.279 reason behind that is because there are far bigger things in this world that we 196 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.320 should be reporting on in this work. And it frustrates me that hypocrisy and 197 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:52.720 lies and bigotry are allowed to manifest themselves in this way. And I can 198 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:58.080 see Scott burning to say a response to what I've just says, so taken 199 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:01.360 away, Scott, well, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here, 200 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.919 Phoebe. As I mentioned before, I think it's important that we call 201 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.240 things out, but I think there's room for both. I mean there, 202 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.519 Yes, there are more important things to talk about and to address. Yes, 203 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:20.639 Uh, having this discussion does elevate to some degree. Uh, this 204 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.159 rhetoric that this that this guy is putting out. But I think that we 205 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.159 need to we need to recognize that this kind of thing, you know, 206 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.080 we have to perform. You know, one of the buzzwords and education is 207 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.360 about being a reflective teacher. Being a reflective teacher, you've got to look 208 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.000 back at yourself. And I think as a society we can also do that 209 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.720 as well. And this would be a perfect example of something that we could 210 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.960 that we could that we could do as it together as as a group, 211 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.720 we could look back. Is this the kind of society we want to be? 212 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.000 Are these the kind of people that we want to have? Now you 213 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.679 make it, you make a fair case that are these the kind of people 214 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.240 that we want to put on our headline? And so, you know, 215 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:06.159 there's room there's room to be said in either direction. But you know, 216 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.440 I think I think it is you know, I tend to lean a little 217 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.600 bit more towards Yeah. I think we need to, uh, we need 218 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.759 to address it as as a society, and I think that this helps. 219 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.879 Oh well, on that note, to find out more about what the fabulous 220 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.080 nonprofits do, click here,