1 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:19,679 Welcome to episode sixty seven of Get Out, a Live, a bi weekly 2 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:23,039 podcast about animal tax why they happen, and how we can avoid them. 3 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ashley, and I'm maroth host Nick. We have new 4 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,559 patrons to shout out. We have new patriots. Shut up, Jesse, 5 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:33,799 cute the music? Wait I usually do that after Well, I'm just excited 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,399 for all of you. So we have three new experts survivalists to shout out 7 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:40,399 today, which is the most we've ever had of one week one episode. 8 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,560 I feel like three, Yeah, I don't know. I think it's the 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,000 most we ever had one episode. So thanks guys. So a huge shout 10 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:48,280 out to Jess what's one ass? Who? Who great? 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I've been pronouncing this animal wrong my entire life. Yes, 30 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,000 I had no idea what it made fun of you for for a long time, 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,760 as if you would know the correct person, that's the problem. I 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,400 had no idea. So my whole life, I've been pronouncing this animal tapier 33 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:15,000 and apparently it's tapers taper. So we're talking about tapers. Tap I R 34 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:16,719 tapers makes no sense. I know, I really want to be tapier. 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,840 English is a tough language, and its bye not even originally aimed in English. 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,159 No correct. Yeah, so translations are always fucked up. I've heard 37 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:28,199 the people, so I watch videos and other people pronouncing it, and I 38 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:30,840 saw people who actually worked with them pronounced it tapers. So if you've never 39 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:37,360 seen a taper before, imagine the baby of a pig and an elephant and 40 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:39,759 an anteater, Like if you combine those three animals, that's kind of what 41 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:46,120 it's like. However, their closest living relative are rhinos and horses. Really, 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,240 yes, meaning they're in the parisa dactyla family. Oh wow, I 43 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,879 had no idea. Yeah, because we're talked about radiodactyla before. Yeah, 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,919 of course that I'm sure you remember fondly. Yeah, they are those things. 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,199 So in general, tapers have they're all like bodies, short legs in 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,719 a preboscus, which is like a shortened elephant trunk. Oh sick. Yeah, 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,840 I think they're pretty cute. Nick disagrees. Uh, I mean they're 48 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:15,400 like ugly cute in a way which I don't normally think that things are ugly 49 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:17,240 cute, so that's a big step for me to come that far. But 50 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,960 the babies are really cute. Well, everything has a baby is pretty cute, 51 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,240 isn't it. I feel it's like defense mechanism. I mean some baby 52 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,360 birds. Yeah, oh true, those things are gross. Yeah, some 53 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,919 of them fair, the precocial ones. Anyways, big words, big words, 54 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,000 early morning. Yeah, didn't throw that out of shet. So there 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,039 are a few species of taper found around the world. First, there's the 56 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,360 lowland taper, which is found in lowland regions as you know, as the 57 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:45,039 name was suggested, Yeah, of northern and central South America. And they're 58 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,520 considered South America's largest native land mammal because they average five hundred and fifty pounds 59 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,439 and six feet long. Whoah, they get that fucking big. Yeah, 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,800 these are the smaller of all of them. Yeah, geez, I have 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,439 no idea, yep. And what makes these lowland tapers visually distinct from other 62 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:02,199 tapers is they have like a stiff maine that they have from their forehead all 63 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,599 the way to the middle of their shoulders, which other tapers don't have. 64 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,120 Sick. Yeah, of all the tapers, these ones have probably the biggest 65 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:13,039 geographic range, but still very little is known about their population numbers, so 66 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,960 we don't have an estimate on how many are in the wild. Then we've 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,519 got the Baird's taper, which is found in the Wahawka Province in Mexico through 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,920 parts of Central America, which includes the western side of the Andean Mountains in 69 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,279 Colombia. And they're smaller than the Lowland taper, but still at around like 70 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,120 five hundred and fifty pounds, they're just like five feet logs. I really 71 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:31,399 I did not think these things are going to be that fung It is very 72 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,879 large, so they're like on poar, the wild hogs pretty much. Yeah, 73 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,600 okay, okay, okay, yeah, very similar. So they don't 74 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,199 have the main that the Lowland taper has, but they have a similar short 75 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,680 brown coat of hair and very tough skin. And there are not great population 76 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,439 estimates on these tapers either, and estimates are very specific to subsets of their 77 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,759 overall populations, so like there's little pockets of them, but we still't have 78 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,800 great overall numbers, which it makes sense, yeah, that does. Then 79 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,920 there's the Malayan taper, which occurs in Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, and 80 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,040 Thailand, and until relatively recently, they also existed in Borneo, and that 81 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:10,040 means that they don't exist there anymore, but there's been discussions on reintroducing them. 82 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:13,279 That's nice. Yeah. Good. And they're the biggest taper, weighing 83 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:16,439 up to seven hundred pounds and six feet long. Wow. Yeah. And 84 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,079 they're very distinct from other tapers due to their white midsections, so they kind 85 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:23,319 of look like a panda a little bit. Nice. Yeah, it's pretty 86 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:27,720 cute. They're considered to be in three distinct and often isolated subpopulations, which 87 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,360 are Sumatra, which has no accurate population estimate, but thought to be from 88 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,600 like four hundred to five hundred individuals in the wild, and then you've got 89 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Thailand and Myanmar, also no accurate population estimates here, though it's thought to 90 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,439 be like two hundred fifty individuals, which not a lot. And Malaysia and 91 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 southern Thailand, which is thought to be the largest and most resilient population of 92 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,839 Malayan tapers from thirteen hundred to seventeen hundred individuals. Wow, it's pretty deep. 93 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:51,839 I mean, still not a lot of animals, but it's pretty decent 94 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,839 number. What's interesting to me is that they're on completely different continents, on 95 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:02,279 opposite hemispheres, but like somehow they have survived in two different popular multiple different 96 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,639 populations at those low numbers as the same animal. Like, did they evolve 97 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,439 liked independently like tapers in general, or the Malayan tapers, like the tapers 98 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,680 in general. So it's like yeah, usually like yeah, yeah, because 99 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,480 like usually like you have like one type of animal that kind of like comes 100 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,160 up in an area and then they'll be like an equal type of egg. 101 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,079 So like the North American cheetah, like the African cheetah. Yeah, we're 102 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,360 like similar animals, but they evolved in their own way completely separate. Animals 103 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,079 are not even like related to each other. So it's interesting that like these 104 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:35,240 two things kind of evolved in the same same way. I don't know if 105 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,800 I fully understand your point. They evolved independently at each other into the same 106 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,279 animal, right, Well, I think they like they all started as the 107 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,519 same pot Okay, well yeah we all did. Like we all were like 108 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,920 bacteria at all. We were all single celled organisms. That's my point. 109 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Anyways, Uh, yeah, I think they all started as the same thing 110 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,920 and then went to their little pockets of the world and just kept being kind 111 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,800 of the same thing. It was so long ago, us't they do still? 112 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,680 How many millions of years ago? These things that pop up in new 113 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,439 existence A few wells, they're actually some people consider I don't really like this 114 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,959 term, but some people consider them like living fossils because they've been around for 115 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,879 millions of years. But yeah, I mean, and their shape have stuck 116 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,959 around, so clearly whatever they're doing is working for them. Insects have always 117 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:25,040 been around pretty much so forever and ever, always since beginning, except for 118 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,839 like the first thing this because of the eat insects with the little nose, 119 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:35,160 right, they don't what the the point we'll get there? Are you thinking 120 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:38,720 of an ant eater? Well yeah, but these things also you said they 121 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,879 have like a like thing, right, yeah, yeah, it's for like 122 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:51,959 grabbing stuff like insects like not not mostly that was a good guess that happens. 123 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,800 Moving on, this is this is my life. And finally we've got 124 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,560 the smallest and fuzziest of all the mountain taper and they're the large mammal in 125 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,639 the andyes, mountain range that you know what, let me look it up 126 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:07,079 for you. See, you're reach for your laptop. How big are they 127 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,519 similar size as the other ones, so like around five hundred something pounds. 128 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,199 They're fat, Yeah, they're sick. Yeah, god dam so. Their 129 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,920 hair is long and brown to black in color, but their lips are lined 130 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,879 in a white color. And adult mountain tapers have two hairless patches on their 131 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:28,120 butts. Nice, they have butt cheeks. I could not figure out why 132 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,080 this was the case, but they've got two hairless butt patches size, so 133 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,360 there's that. And they are known from the Andyan area of Columbia, Ecuador, 134 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,720 and northernmost Peru, and historically they were also found in Venezuela, but 135 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:43,679 there's clearly no evidence of them being there now, so that's it. Kind 136 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,440 of sucks. And their populations are fragmented, but estimates put them at around 137 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,480 twenty five hundred individuals left in the wild, so not terrible, not great. 138 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,240 Yeah, I mean these things are really l like crawling by a little 139 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,879 bit. Huh. Yeah, they're very fragmented. If you were to look 140 00:08:56,879 --> 00:08:58,559 at their ranges on maps, like it's they're pretty split. So like you're 141 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,960 saying, populations and local areas just not very strong and like world. Yeah, 142 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,600 so all tapers have three hooves on their hind legs and four on their 143 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,919 front legs. And yes, you may be thinking or looking at me like 144 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,159 nikkas and be like, how do you have four hooves on one foot? 145 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:20,000 Did they like walk in circles? That would doesn't make any sense at all, 146 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:20,879 Like if you have one leg short the other, it was gonna be 147 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,120 drifting in one way. So they have multiple individual little hooves on each foot. 148 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:30,679 It's very cute. Really, let me show you. I wouldn't call 149 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:33,279 that cute. That's I don't look at that little foot. Just so we're 150 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,519 clear. When you're saying three total and four total, I thought you meant 151 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,360 between both legs, like they had three hooves between two legs, so one 152 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,360 leg would have like this is where mine mixed up with. Okay, now 153 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,919 this makes more sense. Yeah, it's got like little toes. It's got 154 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:52,679 like four little toes and each one is like a little hoof. I absolutely 155 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,399 thought you meant like, yeah, between both legs, like it's weird. 156 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,960 It's very cute, you would thanks. So Also, all baby tapers are 157 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,960 striped and also very cute. I had nowhere else to put that. But 158 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:05,720 as we need you also know, just want to get it in there. 159 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:07,679 Yeah, just please look them up. Have you seen the baby ones? 160 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,960 No, I don't think so. I imagine they look like piglets. They 161 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,000 kind of do. Yeah, they look like picklets. Yeah, but they're 162 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,279 striped and adorable. And all tapers live in forests which are often dense, 163 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,000 which can explain a bit why there's not great population estimates because they're hard to 164 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,360 find. And they are also herbivores and some consider them quote the gardeners of 165 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:33,120 the forest because they are awesome seed dispensers, and they will occasionally eat like 166 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,200 bugs and stuff, but like most of their diet is just like twigs and 167 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,519 buds of trees and stuff like that. H of course. Yeah. They 168 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,759 also have some interesting teeth that I will do my best to describe on an 169 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:48,759 audio only platform, and if you're watching this, we will have a picture 170 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:50,960 of what their teeth look like, because it's very hard to describe. Check 171 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,720 out the video podcast. But they have forty two to forty four teeth and 172 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,440 have molars and premolars in the back, and then there's like a break in 173 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,200 their skull and then there's teeth in the front, kind of similar to a 174 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,840 horse skull. If you've seen a horse skull. How there's like the molars 175 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:07,720 and then there's no teeth, and then there's like in sizers and stuff up 176 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:15,200 front. However, these tapers do have canines. Why that's a great question, 177 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,480 because they're herbivores. I think it's just for like grasping and tearing at 178 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,279 like twigs and stuff. They can also be for self defense. They looked 179 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,960 so weird. Yeah, so there, it's there's a lot going on. 180 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:26,799 Like if I found that in the woods, I feel like I think it 181 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,519 was like a like a sea animal. Yeah, it does, kind only 182 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,799 a manatee or something. Yeah, it does. So despite all the cute 183 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:37,799 things I said about tapers so far, and I do think that they're cute, 184 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,759 tapers can also be very dangerous, and of course that's why we're talking 185 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:43,559 about them on an animal attack podcast. So let's get into it. Yeah, 186 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,039 I can see your laptop already have questions. Yeah, how the title 187 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,120 of this next attack is taper attack in Oklahoma? How fuck did they get 188 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:58,799 that? They walked it didn't have it at all. So the first attack 189 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,600 we're going to talk about is one of the first attacks on record from a 190 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:07,080 taper, and it occurred in nineteen ninety eight in Oklahoma, So it was 191 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,519 November twentieth, and thirty four year old zoo keeper Lisa Moorehead was working at 192 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:16,120 the Oklahoma Zoo, where she worked with three Malayan tapers. So is that 193 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:20,720 a zoo It makes more sense though it does. Yeah, So around eight 194 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:22,960 thirty five am before the zoo was opened, she was tending to Melody, 195 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:26,960 an adult female taper, and Melody's two month old baby. There was also 196 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,559 another adult taper in the cage as well, and normally they're solitary unless they're 197 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,639 like breeding or whatever. So to keep that in mind, Lisa brought the 198 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:37,159 food dish over to them through a two foot wide feeding door in their nighttime 199 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,440 quarters. So a lot of animals will have like an indoor nighttime place when 200 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,879 they're not like on exhibit per se, and then they get let out into 201 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:48,080 their enclosure where everyone could see them. So she was feeding them through their 202 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,600 nighttime enclosure through a little two foot wide door, and as Lisa pushed the 203 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,600 food in, Melody grabbed her arm. Lisa was pulled into the cage where 204 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,960 Melody continued to maul her. She bit Lisa's left arm mid bicept, which 205 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,600 is usually the thickest part of your arm and bit it completely off. No 206 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,240 shit, yeah what so in the mauling, Melody also goured Lisa's neck and 207 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,039 chest, even puncturing one of her lungs, and stomped all over her mid 208 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,960 section and legs. Did they pull this poor girl through that little chee? 209 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,039 Yes, the taper pulled her through the two foot wide door? What the 210 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:31,039 fuck is that? So? Luckily for Lisa, a groundskeeper was nearby and 211 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,879 saw all this happen and ran to call for help. And Lisa was in 212 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:37,960 the cage for a few minutes before help arrived and she was able to be 213 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,360 rescued from the cage. Holy shit. Yeah, she was immediately rushed into 214 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,960 surgery and they tried to reattach her arm, but unfortunately her arm was not 215 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,240 able to be saved. Why why does this her before? We have the 216 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,799 drawstrick to height off a whole fucking arm? Well, yeah, things, 217 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,960 What happened to these things over the past ten million years? They've had to 218 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,200 live with some crazy stuff. I mean, like I said, they have 219 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,559 the you know, they have incizers and canines in the front and I'm not 220 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,200 sure if that's like I'm sure it serves a purpose for food. But also 221 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,879 yeah, I mean they live around like jaguars and bears and stuff that try 222 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:11,240 to eat them. Well fun, Yeah, yeah, you're right, maybe 223 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,279 the Malaysian ones that living sloth bears, Like I'd be tough as shit. 224 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,440 Yeah, we keep talking about sloth bears and tires and shit like these things 225 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,240 are prime e. So yeah, they gotta be tough. They're like a 226 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,840 main food source too, for jaguars, leopards and stuff. Yeah. Anyways, 227 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:26,200 Ultimately after the attack, Lisa spent a month in the hospital, but 228 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,480 even after leaving, she was not out of the woods. She had a 229 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,039 lot of scar tissue in her intestines that constantly made her sick, and up 230 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:37,840 to a year later, she was spending four hours each day on doctor's appointments, 231 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,879 either for physical or psychological help. Holy crap. She got plastic surgery 232 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:48,279 and steroid treatments, including steroid shots in her face, and then they would 233 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,200 sand blast the skin on her face to try to encourage collagen growth. So 234 00:14:52,440 --> 00:15:00,360 like severely mauled her. Wow. Yeah, and Lisa's mother retired early to 235 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,159 help care for her, and Lisa said that without her parents and her fiance's 236 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:05,399 help, she probably wouldn't have been able to recover it all. Oh my 237 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,120 god. She had also been left handed, and her left arm was the 238 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,000 one that was ripped off. Oh that sucks. So she had to learn 239 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,799 how to write with her right hand, and she said she couldn't imagine doing 240 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,720 any other job than zookeeping. But as a year later, she had not 241 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,799 been back to the zoo, which makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, Lisa 242 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,399 was paid her usual salary for about a year after the attack, and her 243 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,679 medical bills were also paid. Wow wow, well yeah, well, so 244 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,919 the zoo didn an investigation trying to figure out what caused Melody to attack, 245 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,679 but the only thing that they could think of was that Lisa had been between 246 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,480 Melody and Melody's baby, which of course wouldn't be Lisa's fault because all she 247 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:41,840 was doing was putting food through a door. Yeah. So, and it 248 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:45,279 must have happened so fast. I mean, Melody had to be like right 249 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,480 there in order to grab Lisa's arm in a few seconds that she pushed it 250 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:52,440 through. I mean, it's it's unbelievable that she'd able to pull a whole 251 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:54,879 grown ass woman like through a two foot wide thing. Yeah, Like, 252 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,200 oh my goodness and bite the arm off at the bicep. Yeah that's nuts. 253 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,000 Yeah. Wow. So Melody remained on exhibit for a year after the 254 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:07,879 attack until she died of kidney disease and pneumonia, but the zoo installed more 255 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,679 protective measures like plexiglass, new signs, and new gates. So how do 256 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:17,480 they feed them now different? I don't know they have, you know, 257 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,639 portant thing for them to address if something's getting snatched through like that. Yeah. 258 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,600 No, I'm sure that they don't have like just the little door anymore. 259 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:26,480 I feel like I've seen a lot of like sliding drawer things, yes, 260 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:29,320 yeah, yeah, so that's like a normal thing that they do for 261 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,519 like creditors. They probably just threw one of those in, right, Yeah. 262 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,159 I think some people do like put stuff through the cage, which isn't 263 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,919 great. But yeah, yeah, when you work with them every day, 264 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,200 you know by that we do so maybe. But also they're a wild animal 265 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,519 still, so oh yeah, so I'm gonna get got like you're gonna get 266 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:48,360 got. So. In two thousand, Lisa actually sued the zoo in its 267 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:52,679 director, staying that they did not properly respond to the attack. So Lisa 268 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,440 even stated that the lack of training for zoo employees contributed to her not being 269 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,360 able to have her arm reattached, because she said that no one responded in 270 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,000 the correct way quickly enough in a way that could have saved her arm. 271 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,240 Huh. She also said in court documents that she and other zoo employees had 272 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,680 been denied their rights to work in a safe environment, and claimed that zoo 273 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,000 administrators did not have written policies and procedures in case of emergency situations like the 274 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,119 one that she was in, and at the time of her attack, there 275 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,480 was no other trained keeper or attendant present, which is a federal safety regulation 276 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,839 that you had to have at least two people who were experienced to work with 277 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,279 the animal. And was she the only one or were there a zero? 278 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,920 According to Lisa in these court documents, she was the only one there. 279 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,319 Yeah. She also said that the zoo did not share safety incidents with staff 280 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,400 members and didn't correct safety concerns because apparently, in nineteen ninety, which was 281 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,440 eight years before her attack, a male zoo keeper was also attacked by Melody, 282 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,079 but it was never documented or talked about. Oh good, yeah, 283 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:52,319 that was like some seayear old shit, doesn't it. Yeah, Yeah, 284 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,200 how old do a tapers get? That's a great question. Give me a 285 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,720 second. Twenty five to thirty years. That's a dang long time tapers can 286 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:04,559 live twenty five to thirty years. Well. So, ultimately, her court 287 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,880 case was dismissed by a judge who thought it was better suited as a workers 288 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,279 comp case. That's kinda where her story ends. She did have another coworker 289 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,640 who alleged that she had seen Lisa playing with Melody's baby and that's why she 290 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,359 was attacked. But Lisa was like, I never was playing with the baby. 291 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:26,799 It would also be a bold, bold move to live about being pulled 292 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:32,640 through again a two foot hole. Yeah, if you were just in the 293 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,880 cage and got attacked and you're like, oh, I got ripped through this 294 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,200 thing, Yeah, you think that'd be one that they can pretty quickly they'll 295 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,680 figure out. Yeah. And also, if you're the like coworker who saw 296 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,559 her playing with it and then get attacked, why would you not immediately rush 297 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,279 to her? Aid? That's why I thought first, I mean, it 298 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,680 could have been like a situation where it's like, as someone's leaving the room, 299 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,279 that out of the corner, right, like, oh, that like, 300 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,680 why is she doing that? And yeah, leave and it's like yeah, 301 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,559 ten minutes later, oh shit, Yeah, but that was never proven. 302 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,599 So in the end, Lisa, I don't know if she ever went 303 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:06,079 back to working at zoos. I don't really know what she's doing now, 304 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,319 But as of a year later, she was still trying to recover. I 305 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:11,400 mean a year later, I don't think i'd really expect her to be back 306 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,119 at work after Yeah, that's at like losing an armed when it Oh yeah, 307 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,039 that's insane. Yeah, and I'm sure once she started the lawsuit and 308 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,599 everything that she probably not. Yeah, after you suit your employer, Yeah, 309 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:29,839 not great. So our next attack also took place in the zoo. 310 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:34,000 Oh this time it was twenty thirteen at the Dublin Zoo. On August eighth, 311 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:37,720 two year old Katie, her brothers, who were eight and six years 312 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,680 old, her father Dara, and her mother Patricia, were engaging in a 313 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,880 close encounter experience where they were inside the Malayan paper enclosure with a zoo keeper. 314 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,960 You know, my stance on these things, I know, I think 315 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:53,400 this is yeah, I can't talk about shit. Yeah, it's I really 316 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,680 screwed myself with the dolphin comments. So oh you're saying you would want to 317 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,599 do a close up not with these things now, Oh but like yes, 318 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,079 yeah, yeah yeah, if you give me a go swim with the Sharks 319 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:07,759 experience, I'm in okay, Well I also whatever time. Anyways, So 320 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:11,359 the family was excited because just two months earlier, one of the tapers named 321 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,160 Rio, had given birth to a baby named Jenny. See that's the opposite. 322 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,799 You shouldn't be excited. You used to be worried about that thing, 323 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:21,079 because now it's gonna be all protective and hormonal and fucking trying to kill people. 324 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,839 Yeah, but also i'd be like, oh hey, a little bay 325 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,359 had also an a track of the baby. So while they're in this enclosure, 326 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:30,960 so you got mother Rio and baby Jenny run around, and some other 327 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,559 tapers as well. I don't know exactly how many were there, but there's 328 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:37,480 at least two. So Katie the bait, the two year old human child 329 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:44,160 was put on top of Rio, uh the taper. That's that doesn't seem 330 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,119 like a good idea. Rio was five hundred pounds or two hundred and twenty 331 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,400 five kilograms. Fucking boy had just had a baby. That's a big, 332 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,720 fucking, big, fucking girl. So, two year old Katie allegedly let 333 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:02,000 out an excited scream while being on slash near Rio. Rio attacked the two 334 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:07,200 year old was allegedly happy. Yeah, so Rio grabbed two year old Katy 335 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,079 in her mouth, held her to the ground, and shook her, biting 336 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,880 her arm in stomach. Oh boy. Instantly, Katie's mother, Patricia, 337 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,799 threw herself at Rio and was able to dislodge her daughter from the taper's jaws. 338 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,440 And Rio turned and bit at Patricia twice. Oh fuck. The zookeeper 339 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,480 and Katy's father were able to restrain Rio, while Katy and her brothers were 340 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:33,640 taken away and Katie was rushed to the hospital. Okay, she had a 341 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,119 deep laceration on her left forearm, a badly bruised forehead, and multiple lacerations 342 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,400 on her abdomen, one of which lacerated her large bowel. Oh yeah, 343 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:48,079 and I know this because a medical journal published pictures of her injuries, since 344 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,960 this was one of very few recorded attacks by taper. So I saw this 345 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 two year old's arm cut open like although almost down to the bone from a 346 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,640 taper. Oh that's terrible, that's horrible. Yeah. So, Katie's mom 347 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:06,119 was also hospitalized for her injuries, and she was in the hospital for a 348 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,160 week but responded well to treatments. Katie was in the hospital for a week 349 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,559 but responded well to Well, week's not that bad. I mean her arm 350 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,279 was bad, yeah, yeah, and her bowel was like cut yeah, 351 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:18,720 So this is never a good thing. Yeah. And also this is a 352 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,279 wild animal. I mean it's in a zoo, but still wild animal, 353 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,599 like cutting into your body with its saliva. So like the fact that there's 354 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:29,119 no infection was great, Yeah, that I know of. So seemingly, 355 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,279 the zoo was instantly charged and found guilty for breaching health and safety regulations, 356 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:37,440 and was ordered to pay five thousand euros to two children charities, which I 357 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,920 thought was a weird punishment. They did also pay the family money, but 358 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,799 I was like, I don't know why it's five thousand euros. This was 359 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:47,920 in twenty thirteen. Yeah, it seems like a wildly low amountain, I 360 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,799 know, I'm too for like allowing a two year old to get mauled. 361 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,599 Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure there were many other fines in crap. 362 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,000 So yeah, and years later, the two brothers who were present each 363 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,519 got a thirty three thousand euro settle for the trauma they had to witness, 364 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:04,039 and the family also filed a personal injury claim for Katie. But as far 365 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,680 as I know, like the boys had psychological trauma obviously from watching their little 366 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:14,640 sister get mauled by this giant animal. But I think she recovered from what 367 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,480 I could ascertain, I think she is like fully recovered and she dinnot like 368 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:19,920 die of her injuries by any means. The kids are freaking resilient kids. 369 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,880 Sounds back. I just reading this, I was so scared because we just 370 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,440 talked about like a thirty something year a woman who lost her arm, like 371 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:32,160 an adult arm. So the fact that this baby, because two, is 372 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,519 so little, the fact that she was able to keep her arm is like 373 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:37,599 incredible. I mean, yeah, absolutely agree, absolute agree. Yeah, 374 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:42,720 the pictures are really brutal. So we just talked quite a bit about captive 375 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,279 tapers. So now let's get into what happens when wild tapers attack people. 376 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,519 I was I was really hoping we're gonna have a couple of leaves. Oh 377 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,759 yeah, we have at least two, at least two. Yeah. So 378 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:57,920 our first story begins with Costa Rica's Environment Minister Carlos Manuel Rodriguez. On April 379 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,519 twenty, aeth of two thousand and six, forty six year old Carlos was 380 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:06,440 on a fourteen kilometer hike or for US Americans eight point seven miles with a 381 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,519 group of six rangers in Corcovado National Park. Just to give you a little 382 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,359 background the park because I can. It's one hundred and sixty three point seven 383 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,400 square miles and was established in October of nineteen seventy five. And it's considered 384 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000 one of the most biodiverse regions in the world and contains the only remaining old 385 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,160 growth wet forests on the Pacific coast of Central America. And it contains thirteen 386 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,599 different ecosystem types including mangrove swamps, a cloud forest, lowland rainforest, and 387 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:37,000 palm forest. Thick. Yeah, so it looked so beautiful Corcovado National Park. 388 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,480 So as for a wildlife in the park, there's the Bard's taper, 389 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,960 which I mentioned up top. Are a little smaller than the other tapers, 390 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,359 but can still be five hundred and fifty pounds. There's jaguars, scarlet macaws, 391 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,599 harpy eagles, africanized bees, crocodiles, hammerhead sharks, red backed squirrel, 392 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,039 monkeys which are very endangered, and white lipped peckrees to a name a 393 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:03,519 few. Do you know what a peckery is? No, it's a it's 394 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,880 another pig like that. I was thinking, yeah, all right. So 395 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,799 Carlos was coming to the end of his term in his position, and this 396 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,519 hike was one of the last things he did before his time in office was 397 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,680 up. He and the group of rangers were in a remote part of the 398 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,359 park in the southern zone, and they were working on an operation to prevent 399 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,839 poaching on the white lipped peckery, which is considered vulnerable by the ICN Red 400 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,119 List. Do we need to look up a peckery so you can stop laughing. 401 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,960 I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't been a freaking sound 402 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:37,359 the entire time. The white that's a fucking pig. That's a pig, 403 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,960 all right. So if you don't know what a peckery looks like, imagine 404 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,880 like a furry pig with no neck, oh god, and a flatter head 405 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,920 that's basically in heels. Oh yeah. And of course, the legal poaching 406 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,759 of any animals a problem, but these peckerys are a main food source for 407 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,759 the jaguar, which is also endangered, so it's like a double endangered thing 408 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:02,640 happening here. So this group is hiking through the jungle on this multi day 409 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,920 excursion looking for signs of poaching. At one point, Carlos was at the 410 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440 front of the group and noticed a young taper that looked injured in front of 411 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:14,279 him. Assuming it had been attacked by a jaguar something, he went forward 412 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:15,880 away from the group to get a little bit closer to see if it needed 413 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,759 help or anything. And before I continue, I do want to mention it 414 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,799 because I like to throw in scientific studies when I can. I found a 415 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,759 study called Jaguars Predation and Human shield a taper story by Flores at All that 416 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:32,119 suggests that Bard's tapers will hang out near people to avoid being attacked by jaguars 417 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,480 spar Yeah, so I don't think that that's what was happening here, but 418 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:37,680 that is a thing, and I will like that an episode description if you 419 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,880 want to read about it. So anyways, as Carlos went forward, the 420 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,160 mother of this injured baby taper launched herself at Carlos and grabbed his backpack in 421 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,759 her mouth in an attempt to escape her. He threw himself down a ravine 422 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,759 and upon hitting the bottom of it, went unconscious. Oh fuck yeah. 423 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,240 When he woke up, he was bloodied and very confused and also alone. 424 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,559 On him he had a compass, a machete, a rain jacket, binoculars, 425 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,000 cookies, a flashlight, and a hammock and that was it. You 426 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,880 know what, he could be in a much worse position. He is set 427 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,799 up to chill for a little bit, so, using his compass in the 428 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,640 sun, he began to try to navigate his way out of this jungle. 429 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,079 So our story began on Thursday, April twenty two, thousand and six, 430 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,599 but by Friday, the twenty first, Carlos had still not turned up. 431 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,039 Oh shit, so rescue mission was launched. How long has it been? 432 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,960 Twenty four hours? I mean the moment that he disappeared from the group, 433 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:41,480 You think they would well, I think they looked, couldn't find him, 434 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:48,400 and then and then what they just went back health I don't know. I 435 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,599 got a call for help immediately, like, hey, our guy fell down 436 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:52,279 a mountain and we get someone out of here. Well, that was the 437 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,680 thing. They didn't see him because he went ahead of them, so no 438 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,240 one saw him go down this revie. Oh god, yeah, it's terrifying 439 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,079 and you're in a thick jungle that's already hard to navigate. This is an 440 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:06,000 official Yeah, oh god, that must be dull. God. Yeah, 441 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:07,119 imagine that in that group, like, oh god, this guy just like 442 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,759 get fun kidnapped or something. Yeah, who knows. So around fifty workers 443 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,640 descended on the area on that Friday, including two helicopters, two airplanes, 444 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,440 two teams of mountain search experts, and two canine search units. But the 445 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:26,440 jungle did not make this rescue mission easy. Never does. One rescue team 446 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,640 had stopped because one of them was having an allergic reaction to an insect fight, 447 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,079 and the man started to have shortness of breath, a quickened heartbeat, 448 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,279 and then fainted and began foaming at the mouth. According to his colleagues, 449 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,599 I don't know, there's a lot of stuff, I mean a lot of 450 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:44,480 stuff. Yeah. So, as the rest of the group tried to help 451 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,680 this man, who was passed out for a total of fifteen to twenty minutes, 452 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,960 a group of monkeys attacked them by throwing sticks at them, and they 453 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,480 were just grateful that the monkeys didn't throw feces because that's also the thing that 454 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:56,839 the monkeys did. But hey, I mean, these guys have the right 455 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,359 outlook. Yeah who. In the end, they did not find him on 456 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:10,680 Friday, but on Saturday morning, a dehydrated Carlos Manuel Rodriguez was found on 457 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,680 a beach, covered in leeches, but alive. He had camped out two 458 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,880 nights in the jungle. All the food he out was cookies, so I 459 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,839 don't know if he was just eating cookies or trying to afford I have no 460 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,960 idea, but he said he didn't sleep for more than four hours at a 461 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,079 time, probably because you're stuck in the jungle with you how would you? 462 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:32,440 And all he had was a hammock, so at least not am Honestly, 463 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,519 he was pretty fucking so maybe cookie is a hammock. Animochete, Yes, 464 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,039 cover leaches though two days out there, I'll be all right. The buggs 465 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,160 would be little b annoying. Yeah, the africanized bees would, I don't 466 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:51,279 get me. So, he said he remained calm the whole time and only 467 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,440 thought of his wife and four kids, the oldest being twelve and the youngest 468 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,759 being two at the time. Yeah, which I cannot imagine the panic for 469 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,759 that mother those two days, well, your husband's lost some jungle. So 470 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,720 anyways, he was taken to a hospital and was treated for cuts and dehydration, 471 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,640 but made a full recovery and after returning to work. Some people claim 472 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,759 that this was a publicity stunt, and his response was quote, he would 473 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,680 never dream of putting so many people's lives at risk like that, and that 474 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,279 if people think so, they should say it to his face, and he 475 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,079 would rip theirs apart. Oh damn. I like him, yes, seriously, 476 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,200 and hope he's being honest about that. Don't see why not. It's 477 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,720 a politician, that's why. Oh well yeah, And finally, now it's 478 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:36,039 time to talk about the only recorded fatal attack by a taper. We're going 479 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:40,279 to Brazil, and I could not find a date that this happened, but 480 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,000 a scientific article titled a fatal attack caused by a Lowland taper in Southeastern Brazil 481 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,440 by Haddad at All was published in two thousand and five, so I'm assuming 482 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,000 it either happened in two thousand and five or obviously before. No. I'm 483 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,119 also not going to link to this article because it includes pictures of the man's 484 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,599 dead body. Oh shit, and the wounds that he sustained. And if 485 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,160 that's an article that you want to look at for some reason, just look 486 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,480 it up, I said the title, so you can find it. No, 487 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,160 no, So this took place in a rural area near the border between 488 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:15,119 South Manto, Grasso, and Sal Paulo states in Brazil, Okay, And 489 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,880 this entire area is dedicated to farming, specifically maze. And this man was 490 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,720 not named in any source material like fine, All I know is that he 491 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,480 was a fifty five year old man and he lived on his corn plantation. 492 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,720 The man had been experiencing damage to his crops by tapers, and one day 493 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,400 when he was going into his cornfield found a female taper there raiding his crops. 494 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,559 He grabbed her and stabbed her I don't know what with, and in 495 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:45,720 turn, the taper turned and attacked him back. That's kind of it, 496 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,240 because he was not an unpromoted attack, no of course. Yeah. And 497 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,559 also you're like you're injuring the animal, you're up close to it. So 498 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720 when his body was found by a friend, he was still warm to the 499 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,759 touch, so he had probably recently died whenever he was found. And there 500 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,680 are at least three deep bite wounds on the man's body that caused severe lesions 501 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,440 and ultimately caused him to bleed to death. So that was the cause of 502 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,799 death. And the bites were located on one of his arms, on his 503 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,160 thighs and his testicles. Ooh, that's partly the one that made him bleed 504 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,400 out. And the adult female taper was found later on dead, also near 505 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,839 the farm. Damn. So they both died fucking traded, all right, 506 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960 Yeah, but that's kind of it. It's it was like a quick case 507 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,960 study. And obviously because the man was the only one there when the attack 508 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:29,519 happened, it's kind of hard to say, like exactly what went down. 509 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,200 Besides he stabbed her or she bit him. He has a bunch of taper 510 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,039 bite marks, so it's safe to she bit him to death and he bled 511 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,799 to death. Whatever. Ye sucks. Yeah, so they can kill people, 512 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:42,039 but obviously this was provoked in this case, since he stabbed her. 513 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:49,440 Yes, I know, obviously we just spent a very long time talking about 514 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,599 these animals attacking people, but these were really all I could find besides like 515 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,640 road collisions, which I don't count as attacks by any means. No, 516 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,480 that's obviously not on purpose. But I mean when you compare him to the 517 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680 animal that would be compare them to the entire time like pigs. These seems 518 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,480 way more docile than pigs do. At least they're in way lower numbers, 519 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,960 so like, yeah, percentage wise, it's just less likely they're going to 520 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,240 attack someone. Yeah, And I do want to make it clear, like 521 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,039 tapers are generally considered shy and docile and will run off into the brush when 522 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:20,759 threatened. These attacks were super rare cases, but showcase the fact that they 523 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,799 can be dangerous when they're provoked, which is pretty much any wild animal ever. 524 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,519 Oh definitely, yeah. Yeah. And also we're gonna do a bonus 525 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,839 episode soon on weird attacks like from animals that we probably will never have an 526 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,039 episode on because it's like so strange and one off. So I think that'll 527 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,240 be a good case for like, hey, any animal can be dangerous, 528 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,480 no matter how big or small. Absolutely, yeah, So I just wanted 529 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,039 to throw that out there because yeah, there's plenty of videos of zoos keepers 530 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,640 like rubbing their bellies and stuff, and they're perfectly docile. But still, 531 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,960 I think the point here is always keep your guard up and don't assume that 532 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,599 animals are not gonna attack you if they can always assume they're out for blood. 533 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,599 Yeah, I mean, they're erbravores, but they still have teeth that 534 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,400 can obviously buite through a woman's entirely, So they're definitely worth being respected. 535 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:07,039 Absolutely. And besides habitat loss, which nearly every wild animal is facing, 536 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,119 one of the biggest threats to tapers that can drive more of the conflicts like 537 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,920 the ones that we talked about is the rating of crops by tapers. So 538 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,760 one twenty sixteen study by sand Waters titled Croperating Bards Taper provoked diverse reactions from 539 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,360 subsistent farmers in Belize found the Inbalize, although tapers were not considered the most 540 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,440 notorious crop raating wild animal, six percent of people interviewed in the study did 541 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,599 admit to killing tapers in retaliation for crop rating, and one of them said, 542 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,440 quote, the taper eats my corn every night, so when I see 543 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,280 a taper, I shoot it eat it, so I get to benefit from 544 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,119 all the corn of mine that was eaten. Wow. Shit, that's actually 545 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,199 very decent reasoning. Kinda yeah, I mean, if you yeah. But 546 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,599 thankfully there were also people in the study who either planted extra crops for wild 547 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,760 animals, and there was even one who let their crops beaten because quote, 548 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,719 she had a calf and she was hungry. So there's there's you know, 549 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,760 some people who do retally tory killings, but then there's plenty of people who 550 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,880 are like, well, the animals need food, so here's some extra form. 551 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,679 Yeah, and when it's a case of we know, South America, 552 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,079 we're losing tons of land to farming and everything, and they know, yeah 553 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,000 exactly, So it's tough to be like, oh, fuck them for killing 554 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,039 nails. Also it's like, well, I kind of have to for the 555 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,639 crops, you know, Yeah, they're trying to make a living. Yeah, 556 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,920 absolutely. I imagine these aren't the most wealthy of neighborhoods that these tapers 557 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,159 are run around to farm exactly. Like, yeah, it's kind of hard 558 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:29,159 to be mad at them for doing that. But from what I could ascertain, 559 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,519 at least in where the Bard's Taper is, it seemed like most people 560 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,039 didn't want to kill them and wanted to live around them. So, of 561 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,920 course, if not the main purpose, but one of the main purposes of 562 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,159 this podcast is to figure out ways that we can live more safely and happily 563 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,719 around wild animals, And from what I could ascertain, it seems that taper 564 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,199 human conflict is an up and coming field. So there are a few people 565 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,719 currently doing research on ways to prevent tapers from raiding crops, but it's been 566 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,599 a challenge, and like I mentioned up top, they're pretty hard to study 567 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,880 just due to the habitats that they're in. But some researchers have tried using 568 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,280 salt licks to lure them away from farms, and also some people will put 569 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,840 out salt licks if you're a poacher, to try to get animals to come 570 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,760 to a central location to kill them. So that's been kind of hard because 571 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,119 they're like, we're trying to get them away from the farm, so we're 572 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:15,880 luring them over to this section. But then we also don't want them to 573 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,360 become used to salt licks, just in case someone's trying to illegally poach them, 574 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,880 of course, and there was one graduate student I found who's using radio 575 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,079 collars to track taper movements and habitat use and electric fencing around crops, but 576 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,840 of course that can be expensive and hard to maintain if you're on a larger 577 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,360 farm. So basically what this graduate student is doing is if a farmer is 578 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,039 experiencing issues with a taper rating their crops, he'll try to trap it, 579 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:43,519 radio collar it, see how it's moving, and then try to electric fence 580 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,960 off for the farmer the crops that it's trying to raid. Nice, but 581 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,280 not everyone has access to those resources yea. And also if you have a 582 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,280 huge farm, it's impossible to fence everything in and also maintain those fences. 583 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,800 So it's cool that there seems like to be a lot of room for growth 584 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,800 here with trying to figure out how to get tapers not from eating crops. 585 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,719 And I think in the coming years we'll see more research coming out on how 586 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,320 to deter tapers from crops, but right now it seems like electric fencing, 587 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,840 tracking their movements and harassment is the way to go, while of course keeping 588 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,480 yourself at a safe distance from them nice. And I think what's exciting about 589 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,480 tapers, at least that I could ascertain from doing all this research, was 590 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:27,480 that there's still so much to learn about them. Oh yeah, which is 591 00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,400 crazy because they're all over the all, not all over the world, but 592 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,639 like they're in different parts of the world, so no matter where you are 593 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,920 you're somewhat close to some sort of taper yea, And we don't know a 594 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,280 ton about them, so there's always room for research. And if you're someone 595 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,719 up and coming in the wildlife field, or you're looking for an animal to 596 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,320 study and you don't mind rugged hiking, tapers would be a great species to 597 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:52,079 study. And one place to start is the Bard's Taper Survival Alliance the BTSA, 598 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:53,880 which I will link in the episode description, and they're a group working 599 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,039 to eliminate the biggest threats to the species. But I'm sure they have like 600 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,760 volunteers and stuff, so there's always organizations you can reach out to. And 601 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,559 every animal deserves to be conserved, no matter what they do. But tapers 602 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,119 are important to each environment that they're in in the rainforest and jungles that they're 603 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:12,480 in need all the help they can get. So if you feel so inspired, 604 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,760 get out there and teach us all more about tapers. Nice. Yeah, 605 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,840 that's it. I like that. If you're someone who wants to get 606 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,599 into this field and you want a weird animal to study, is one, 607 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,840 yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna make a lot more interesting me. 608 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,760 They've been around for fifty million years, of going to the old Google machine. 609 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,800 So there's a lot to learn there. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 610 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,599 So thank you all so much. Relation to episode sixty seven of this 611 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,599 podcast. If you like it, leave us a five star rating on the 612 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:43,639 Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser, and follow us wherever you're listening by hitting 613 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,719 like a little plus button or whatever the app, whatever looks like, whatever 614 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,519 it looks like, to follow us, please do it. Do it that 615 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,960 way. 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