Welcome to season two, episode forty two of Clips and Dim. I am
Chuck Mackler, joined by Adam Ozon and William Updyke. If you're listening to
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use more. We do giveaways on there. It's very funk now. March
March, OK, the March to five K. We're gonna do it today.
We've got a pretty fun episode. We're talking Paul George's level of play.
A bunch of trade rumors have kind of kicked up for the Clippers,
and then there's been some cool into it press about the Wall lately that we
want to talk about. And as Adam Oslon pointed out this weekend, we
are so close to getting that Powell Rangers nickname into the larger zeitgeist that it
deserves. We will talk about that. Adam, how are you doing today?
I'm good, gonna be with you guys. Thanks to everyone helping us
get to one k on the YouTube subs. Appreciate you, guys, what
was the last episode. We had a little double dip the other night,
chuck Yeah to the Clippers victory over the OKC Thunder. Some thought that was
the best win of the season. It was certainly one of more entertaining ones
can argue with that. That was a fun time. No Zoo, we're
gonna talk about that problem too, and kind of the encouraging stuff for Mason
public will. How are you doing on this overcast Los Angeles evening? Doing
well? Man? Yeah, last time we spoke, the Clippers had had
a great win and not just a lot of downtime in between. So yeah,
that's all right too. Not sure what to do with myself. Yeah,
Like it is weird. I'm like, there's four days off and Clippers
don't play until a brunch battle at twelve thirty this Sunday, So I guess,
I mean, we'll talk about it later. I mean, any extra
time to get Big Zoo back on the court, I think is is gonna
be great. I feel like I got to pull receipts on us complaining about
the schedule, like it's maybe I was just wait money, just wait,
what is there like seventeen games coming up in a month? Oh, man,
that is horrifying week Club. I think about it every single day I
wake up and every single day I go to bed. Uh they did,
so it is crazy. This is the last time we'll talk about March Uh
this episode. I looked it up. They actually played seventeen games in I
think January, two seasons ago. But that was when a Mirror was going
on that crazy run when he was like fifty forty ninety. So could happen
again? Yeah, why not. They're gonna need everybody, all hands on
deck. And they got a mir back into the rotation a lot sooner than
I think most people thought. It's been. It's been a good thing,
a lot of timely. You mentioned in the beats of zoo bots and the
timing of the injury, and I guess we can get into more of that
in a little bit, but I'll just tease that out that there have been
some things, some blessings in disguise for this Clippers team so far this season.
Are you alluding to Mason Plumbley starting over eats the Zubats. I am
against that in many, many ways, in many ways. All Right,
we will get to that debate. I guess it's not a debate. There's
no debate there in a bit, but we got to talk about Paul George
is on an incredible level. Adam osm was sharing some stats recently about his
kind of catch and shoot stuff. But before we get into that, I
was looking at the Clippers stats and it's kind of insane how close he and
Kawhi are this year in terms of their averages. Qui is averaging twenty three
point eight points, Paul George is averaging twenty three point nine. Qui's averaging
five and a half boards, Pg's averaging six point one, and they're one
of the Kawai's averaging three point seven assists, Paul George is averaging three point
six. They have the same amount of steals and they're taking Kawi is taking
just one more field goal attempt than Paul George. This is very cool.
It's obvious it's helping the Clippers, but it's cool to see them using doing
it in such different ways. Right, Like we don't think of them as
having similar games, like they're FoST elite, but Paul George is shooting and
stuff. It's really cool to see them matchup like this. I think,
well, it's interesting too because I just feel I just feel like we see
like Kawhi is at a consistent kind of level all like all this all the
time, and Paul George has like these insane highs and not that he has
like wild lows for the most part. I mean he's had like one game
in like the last fifteen where he didn't have twenty points fourteen games. But
yeah, it's just like, stylistically, it's completely different, which we've known,
you know, we've known every year. Really the only comparable thing about
either one of these players is that they're both you know, long two way
guys with you know, insane potential and productivity. But yeah, it looks
so much different on a given night where you know, Kawhia has twenty five
and Paul George has you know, thirty two where he just had a season
high. It looks notably different between those two players, and I think that
it I think that it still speaks to you know, a lot of people
I feel like kind of would lump those players into like the same mold.
But I think stylistically, especially now with Harden, the Clippers really have a
lot more looks and a lot of different ways that they can hurt you that
that I don't feel like is maybe as acknowledged in how varied that can be.
Yeah, they have a ton of options in different ways to use guys
within those options when they're on the court, it's it's definitely layered. I
saw this from the legatory justin Russeo fly By shout out that we give it
every single show because it comes up with some good numbers here. But you
know, Kawhi on this season, Kawhi is at fifty two forty four eighty
eight shooting splits on the season, right, amazing, incredible. If you
go back to I'm guessing he pulled this from the last three months of last
season into this year over seventy four games, Kawhi Leonard is at fifty two,
forty six eighty nine splits. Jesus over a seventy two game stretch.
He's becoming f and Steph Curry. The volume isn't there, but the efficiency
is unbelievable from the outside and as good as Paul George has been with those
catch and shoot three pointers this year as opposed to last year when he was
just shooting thirty eight percent on them, and this year he's at forty nine
percent. Kawhi is also up big from forty two percent last year on catching
shoot threes, He's at forty eight percent this season. It's the hardened effect.
He's elevating everyone and you're seeing all these high efficiency stat lines each and
every night out there, and that to me, has created the biggest margin
for air for this team, where they can miss nine free throws against OKC,
which is unbelievable, and still find a way to win the game because
they hit twenty three pointers. They absorbed sixteen three pointers made by ok SEE
on just thirty four attempts. They hit twenty, they missed nine free throws,
They go on a fourteen to two runs to end the ball game,
and you get this score where they win by eleven in a really tight back
and forth affair. Yeah, it's been really cool to see, and it's
funny I've you know, as we talk about in the amount of catch and
shoot threes that Paul George has gotten more of. It reminded me of his
quote when he talked about Docs coaching when he was on the All the Smoke
podcast a couple of years ago. He said Doc was trying to play me
as a Ray Allen er jj Reddick all pinned downs. I could do it,
but that ain't my game because they have James Harden now and there's a
better point guard to facilitate these things and keep it working. It is his
game now and he has embraced it. You know, Harden had to adjust
and PG had to adjust too, right, We talked about you know,
Harden had the more extreme example of not taking catch and shoot threes like to
the to the full extent, but PG had to get a little used to
it too, right, Like you have some good numbers in year Adam.
Just the amount of catch and shoot threes percentage rise has gone up so much
for PG. Yeah, it's up about fifteen percent from last season. And
he's always been capable of this stuff. I don't know if Russo had that
too, but I just saw your name. That's so funny. It's good.
A little updyke uh too good? Uh so? Yeah, just the
way he's been able to blend in because there was real concern that could he
get lost in the shovel in this shuffle somehow with him being more of a
third option, a self imposed third option, if he wasn't aggressive enough.
Now with James Harden and his scoring prowess. With Kawhi Leonard and the way
he's been playing, would Paul George be able to stay aggressive because that's always
been the concern, and aggressive Paul George is my favorite. Paul George.
When he is an attack mode, you are at your best as a team.
And that hasn't happened really at all outside of you know, the first
five games with James Harden and him, you know in that Dallas game where
he said he was trying to do the little things, but he's killing that.
He's done with that, so I'm really proud of the way he's playing.
He's having one of his best seasons. All three of these guys I
think legitimately have cases of course, to be an All Star. Kawhi Leonard,
Paul George, James Harden. The numbers, the classic traditional box score
numbers with James Harden aren't large because he's only taken eleven shots per game,
but he's got a four to one assist to turnover ratio. And then when
you just think about impact and look at some the advanced numbers and how much
he's made everyone else better around him impact wise, I think he's deserving of
an All Star vote, an impact All Star if you were Adam's Impact All
Stars. It doesn't really work that way, but I'm with you. I
agree with the sentiment. Sometimes when they're super teams and you see like,
Okay, Draymond Green, are his numbers big? No, But he was
an All Star still, even back with Chris Bosh with the Miami Heat.
He was an All Star still with the Boston Celtics, and they're Big four,
they had all them being All Stars before. I think it happened with
Detroit one year back when they had you know, Rashid Wallace, round four
oh five. It's happened if you are also getting a ton of wins.
So I think it's gonna come down to where they are at seating wise when
the All Star voting ends. If they're a top two seed in the West,
I think there's a very good chance a lot of people look at it
and say, oh, this is the James Harden effect. He's helped turn
this thing around and they're having one of their best regular seasons. Is not
a coincid. It's all these guys numbers are up, and that that could
be the thing that puts him over the top, but that gonna be easy,
I think also to Harden. You know, Draymond Green is disliked,
but the Warriors have such a giant fan base too. People hate James Harden,
which I like, not for no real reason, which I think hurts
his case too, which sucks. Guy flew from Taiwan to see him.
Yeah. Yeah, given his relationship with China, I wonder what happens from
that, if anything, But we'll see. That's a different topic for a
podcasts. They got the Paul George the extension. We've kind of alluded to
it here will When do you think I knew it was gonna be a TV
show? Riven? There what we've heard, Like, you know, we
heard the quote from James Harden he wants to retire a Clipper, which is
like cool, sure, right, let's let's get this. He also did
bring up, you know, like he wanted the same thing on his last
team's right. Yeah, this Paul George extension, it doesn't have to get
done at any time, so I guess selfishly I would like it done sooner
rather than later, so we know what we can give James Harden, right,
Yeah, absolutely, Look, I think from a long term perspective,
it makes sense to get it done earlier, and obviously you want to see
that deal done. We've talked about this ad nauseum, but like it's not
like the Clippers really have any other choice. Like we know that that at
least the Paul George contract is coming, likely gonna move you know, mountains
or whatever they have to do to get hardened in there as well. I
guess the thing with maybe waiting to do it right is you get the Kui
one out of the way, right, you get the fan base, you
know, sold on the idea that you know you're gonna have a big three
going in into it. I think that that's really important, especially with all
the into it. I don't want to say propaganda, but propaganda that we've
been seeing like it's propaganda, but it's propaganda. But that's fine. I'm
with it. I'm with the propaganda. I'm part of the Clippers propaganda machine.
But I think beyond that, look, maybe you wait on Paul George
because let's say you don't have a lot of flexibility between where you're at and
the second apron, which is like effectively a hard cap at this point.
If you know what that number is, and that's not the number that James
Harden was really thinking about. Do you want to continue the rest of the
season with a guy who I'm not saying that he would be, but like
that has once again the potential to create a rift in the locker room,
to create create something like that. I also think you gotta be wondering about
what this injury looks like for Viza Zubats. You gotta be thinking about what
the rest of the roster looks like as well. So on one hand,
yes, I very much want to see the Paul George deal sign sealed delivered,
But I understand at the same time, like why why it might be
taking longer, and why there might actually even be benefits to waiting and seeing
with a couple of things, Because you, I mean, if you are
in the very fortunate situation where you are able to retain all three moving forward,
you are in a pickle. So I think it makes sense to test
your options and test the waters before you commit to even two thirds of it.
Right. I'm just glad people are at the point where they want to
see if Paul George deal gets done, Because you know, I'm old enough
to remember back when they want him traded for Scoot Henderson and they could just
reload around Scoot and Kawhi and that would somehow be a championship ready team.
I think Scoot shooting about thirty five percent of the field his rookie year.
I don't know. Well, you got a lot of talk about that during
the summer, but I guess that's over with. I'm I'm happy for Paul
George. I hope he's a long time Clipper. I wouldn't be surprised that
the deal gets done, you know, anytime soon here during the season.
It's great to see him kind of come into his own and find the best
version of himself while not even necessarily always being the number one or the number
two, but he can affect the game so much being a number three because
he's talked about it postgame where the third best player is guarding me most nights,
So it's pretty easy out there. And that is the problem. And
when I talk about the unsolvable problem that the Clippers are creating, just pick
your boys. How do you want to lose this game? Do you want
to lose it by double team in Kawhi? Do you want to lose it
by playing them? Straight up and letting them iso and go to work on
you with these great isolation players, do you want to leave hard and alone
and not double or not pick him up and try to slow down that pick
and roll and just let him shoot go under it. I don't know what
you do against this team, and that's what makes them so difficult to beat
right now. Now now there's injuries going on, we'll talk more about that,
and they make it a little bit easier to beat on one end of
the court soon. But I am very happy with the results, as everyone
should be. Twenty three and seven last thirty games, nobody better eighteen and
wins in their last twenty two ball games going back to December first, and
like, there's a ton of work to be done. But the fact that
they can still get better and you don't feel like they've peaked. No one's
like, oh man, we got to bottle this up and just bring it
into the playoffs. There's some of that, sure, but they could still
grow within the regular season. There is still time to improve right now and
figure out even more wrinkles and become more multiple in the way you can beat
teams and just finding more ways to beat your opponent than they have ways to
beat you. Tends to lead to a lot of success. Like tighter defense
consistently, I think is something that's going to look a lot different for this
team. And we've seen flashes of it, uh you know, we've even
seen it win them games in in that OKAYC game, but we haven't seen
it as dialed in as I think that it can be and at the level
that it will need to be if they're going to make a deep playoff run,
if if they're going to get past a Denver or something like that,
like they're gonna have to, they're gonna have to find some different ways to
slow teams down. And there's no stopping a lot of these guys. But
you know, some of the easy transition stuff some you know that there's just
there's some pretty easy things to iron out, and then there's you know,
rotation wise and scheme wise things that they can figure out and tighten up a
little bit, which I think will take longer. I mean, over the
last fifteen games, well they have the number one offense, they're twenty third
defensively over that time, I think most people would say that's a little bit
shocking. I think if you take out two games though, without Kahila or
the Boston game and the OKC game on the road, that faults them back
into a big a top ten defense, like they were so bad. It's
just those two games and a fifteen game sample size that you take those out
and they're back to be a top ten, but the defense did soff for
a giant loss. In with the Aviza Zubots news, we're gonna talk about
kind of how we thought plumbly looked as a starter and which side of the
ball is more affected with Zoo's absence. Coming up after this break. If
you're listening, the ads have been loud for some people, that's been the
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then some Zoo talk and some roster talk coming up in three two one.
All right, So welcome back in Eclipse and did we talked a little bit
about the great season that Kawhi and Paul George are having in tandem this year.
Now we're talking about some not so good news on the season as we
are currently maybe half a week, not even a full week, into the
four weeks that Avitza Zubots is expected to be out and that's at a minimum.
We saw Mason Plumley in the starting lineup against Okac. There's some good
I think, you know, we're all in agreement. Defensively, it's gonna
be an issue for the Clippers without that anchor. But what do you guys
think? What do you guys think? I mean, what side of the
ball is most hurt? I think that it's it's pretty obvious. I think
that we have a couple guys who can do some like eight, like eighty
percent pretty consistently of what zoo Bots can do offensively. Defensively, I don't
think anybody is close. Not close, not particularly close, if I'm being
honest. Not a knock on knock, not a knock on either guy.
Because Zoo has been really really good this season. I would say he's been
I mean easily top fifteen, probably top ten center in the league. So
they got their work cutout for them. I don't know. Where are you
at, Chuck, Where are you at on this loss? Is it over?
Okay? I think about it like that. Yeah, man, I
do not think it's over. I think we saw, you know, I
think I was really encouraged by obviously the winning against Okay see, Tyler had
very little time to kind of prepare even the first game or sorry, the
loss against Minnesota. Tyler had so little time to prepare for Zoo being out
for that game, and we still were able to scheme up some stuff that
made it harder for the Timberwls than they wanted it to be, right,
Like, we almost ended up winning that game. It was great he got
some more time. We played very well against against the Thunder. We saw
Plumbly come out and be incredibly efficient, you know, with some juice after
his return. But it's the defensive side of the ball, You're right,
Like by a mile is what I think Clippers fans should be watching more for
when Zoo is out, right, Like, let's see what happens at that
start. You know that that's starting five net rating over these four weeks,
right, Like, I'm I have no doubt that it's still going to be
a positive net rating, But I don't know if it's I think it's what
like plus fourteen or something right now or in that range, Like I don't
expect it to be like that, but Mason has we've talked about, you
know, the timing of this stuff and Zoo talked about it to Till marrizarli
over at clutch points how this is gonna happen in the playoffs. It's gonna
happen closer to the playoffs. We're getting Plumbly back when Zoo goes down.
So this is really unfortunate. It's a reevaluation in four weeks. But I'm
excidedly nervous to see what Tyler cooks up on the defense event, because you
can't play the same defense with Plumbley as you can with Zoo. They just
guard differently, right, So I don't know. Adam. I think that's
part of the reason he went with Terrence Man in the fourth quarter against Okay.
See, just because you don't have the back line defense, you have
to be better at the point of attack. It also provided more switchability.
They would hunt Norman Pale. Granted he was two for ten I think in
that game, but still it's Norman freaking pal shooting fifty eight percent and fourth
quarters and fifty five percent from three. You trust him in late game situations,
and they went with Terrence Mann, so maybe more of him, more
of a mere coffee out there. Russ has to bring it defensively at the
point of attack, and I thought he had some good possessions against SGA.
I was watching that matchup closely. But there is no way to replace someone
as good as a beats A Zubots, who has been an unsung hero,
who is kind of in that thankless profession type situation where you know, he
only stands out when he plays bad, like an offensive lineman sometimes because people
just expect him, oh, he better dunk that. I mean, well,
yeah, you should be doing blocking all those shots. It's absurd.
But if you look at a defensive field goal percentage within six feet, he's
only giving up shots within six feet fifty percent of the time. They're only
shooting fifty percent within six feet of the rim against him. You take that
as Daniel Tice, He's at fifty seven percent in that area, which is
kind of solid for a guy who's six's eight, But they're shooting seven
percent better within six feet. Mason plumb Lee, I went back to last
year when he was in that starting role, playing more minutes with the Charlotte
Hornets. He was giving up shots at sixty percent. So there's a ten
percent chasm difference there between Vitza Zubots and his rent protection versus Mason Plumley,
anyone who falls in love with reverse dunks and some of the passing and ball
handling of Mason Plumbley, which is all great. I love Big plumb back
up Biggs in the league and could start for some teams. Obviously, what
you are missing with the Vitza zubots cannot be duplicated and is far more important
than those things. That's why he's been an elite rent protector for his career
with the Clippers. He's only given up fifty two percent at the rim.
He has been like this. It's not a one year thing where all of
a sudden he turned things around and has been this defensive stalwart. He's always
been mister reliable and that area. This year we've just seen him more on
the offensive end, working with James Harden to the pick and roll, and
that's gonna be missed too, guys. Now, I do think Mayson Plumbley's
always been good in the pick and roll because he was rodding with Brooklyn with
Darren Williams before his ankles fell off and you got kenkles or whatever. He
Mayson Plumbley's played with LaMelo, He's played with pick and roll guys. He's
adept at it, and he was five to five in that game from the
field for I think fourteen points against OKC, and I think James Harden found
him for at least a couple of easy ones. So defensively, they got
to do it collectively. They got to be better at the point of attack.
You got to take up the challenge of staying in front of your man.
Kawhi I don't know. I don't think he can be any better than
he has been on back line defense, which has also been vital for this
team. Yes, totally. That lock on Sga is my favorite player of
the season to this point. I just think it speaks to what Kawhi Leonard's
all about, and you know a little bit of poetic justice or whatever is
Sga versus the person all these things. It was a big moment two point
game, and then the Clippers ended up blowing them out because PG thirteen was
so hot. But defensively, everybody has to raise their level play Offensively,
it's gonna be interesting. I think they're si gonna light teams up, Yeah,
right, Like offensively, I'm like sure, steady as she goes for
like not totally, but a lot of the time right like Plumbing's a decent
pass. He's gonna be like you said, he's gonna be good in the
role. There's been a bunch of talk. Zach Lowe mentioned he's hearing the
Clippers are looking for a backup center or a tweener forward, which I don't
really think surprises anybody. Kelly Olinnock has been brought up a couple of times
by him, but he mentions he's not sure what aange's asking price would be.
Kelly Olinok has one year left at twelve million dollars. Would what do
you think? And we PJ and Bones work straight up for Kelly Olinick if
we want to get PJ. Tucker off the team, and if they valued
Bones, but we don't know what age wants, probably some picks. I
guess, uh, what do you value at will? Would you I don't
think you'd part with the twenty thirty for him? But where would would you
stuff some seconds? Some people were talking crazy on Twitter? Would you stuff
some seconds with PJ and Bones if they wanted that? No, you're getting
a young you're getting a young player and PJ Tucker? Okay, maybe a
second? Yeah, I think that, you know, I think like that
trade in a second, it's like, sure, I think it's the minutes
become weird because Tyson is here too, like we have three center. But
yeah, I I mean, I like the idea. It's it's definitely some
interesting depth. He can kind of stretch the floor, But like, how
much do you really see him playing in a playoff scenario with another center on
the floor. Sure? Yeah, and we're not moving Tys to the floor.
Please don't tweet at us that they should do Tyson another center out there,
Adam where you're out on Kelly Olyn. I like Olyinic. I think
against a team like the Lakers, he'd be very useful in a playoff setting
if that was a first round matchup because they like to go big. And
you know, Christian wood A d olynic Zobots or Plumbley or somebody like that.
I'm a fan, I am, because you can shoot it from the
outside. Problem is Utah's playing so damn well. Are they going to be
sellers at this point or they do they want to look like they're sellers.
Also, when you throw bones in there, that hurts my heart. I
don't like it. I don't like thinking about that. I know it may
take someone that you know you gotta give to get this, you don't want
to let go. But I'm hoping it's second round Picks and PJ Tucker.
I think the Tucker thing would be a little easier to stomach if it weren't
for that extra year, because you're not saving any money. I like,
it's a it's just an easier sell to me, if you know, if
if that wasn't, if that wasn't the situation, there's yeah, I mean
maybe in Boston. Uh, Like, I don't like throwing any names out
there, to be honest, I don't want the first to leave. But
in this hypothetical that was brought up by Zach Lowe, who I did talk
to the other night, I shook his hand. I was like, I
fucking love your commentary. He was all zelped every no, get out of
here. He's great. Yeah, yeah, he's awesome, and he loves
the advanced numbers and all the things that GM's and coaches look at. Now.
Yeah, so I like Olenk. I don't know what it would take
to get him. I hope not much. Yeah. So that that was
the other part, like someone, uh, will you mentioned the PJ.
Tucker thing. I can't remember where that report came from, but there was
like some scuttle butt that I saw around that he would maybe like the Wizards
would be open to trading for him and buying him out. But in that
scenario, it's either like the Clippers are attaching someone who's good and cheap,
like I say it Brandon Boston Junior or a mere coffee or they're taking on
a bad contract from Washington who happens to have a bad contract in Landry Shammitt
as a bad contract who I completely forgot was on the Washington Wizards. But
I don't know how feasible that is. Sham it makes ten million this year,
non guaranteed, eleven million next year, and then a team option the
year after that. So like, I mean, that would be great because
he'd just be off the books immediately. But again, I guess I have
no idea what the Wizards are doing, but I would be okay with that.
I don't know, just for some flexibility. You're not the only one
that they're in a complete rebuild. I mean, Michael Winger has a plan,
no doubt, but yeah, it's it's a rough, hard rebuild.
And Jordan Poole Man, it's not good and interesting so that I don't know
if if they bought out PJ. Tucker, who do you think picks him
up? Is that a shit you where you know, like Phoenix getting Eric
Gordon? Eric Gordon, excuse me and you start to regret. I just
don't know. I don't know how much you're regretting that one at this point,
not at all. Yeah, I'd love it if got it, oh,
PJ. Eric Gordon, Like, I think it's I think, and
I don't know how often it actually happens, but I think that it's like
malpractice when a team is like hoarding a player of that level because they just
don't want it wanted to go to a competitor, Like I think that's a
pretty shitty move, to be perfectly honest. I also would love it if
the Sun's got PJ. Tucker. Yeah, that would be great for us.
I still think he has you took in the right situation, uh,
and could give teams trouble if I but he may be cursed because Carl Tart
has his jersey. He just got his jersey delivered in the last jersey he
got was John Wall so he may be curse. He may have the tart
jersey curse. Does that just mean he's gonna be gone cursed traded? Yes?
No, no, No, He's not gonna have like, you know,
birds poop on his head randomly or anything like that. He's just gonna
gets a bunch of weight NASTI is utility on a bunch of teams. Does
he make good pretzels or something like? What what are you referring to?
He's a good defender. He still is a good defender. I know he
stopped taking three pointers, but I've seen enough with him against Jokic, even
this year and then going back to last year with Philly, Like he can
still defend Jokic, He could still defend Zion Williamson in five to ten minutes.
I think in a playoff series he can. Uh, he could help
you. I don't know if it's swing a game, what's below a swing?
Uh? Uh? He could uh carousel like you. I see what
you're saying. Though, he can help you. He can help you in
the right amount of minutes in with against the right opponent, four minutes against
a very bad opponent. Okay, Chris, Chris Jokich, Chris Boucher is
the next one. ESPN said PJ in some seconds could maybe get this done.
But I'm not sure that's true at all, because I think he maybe
has a little more value than that. He's got the size and switchability people
want. He lax offensive juice. I don't know if he would play more
than PJ. Like, I guess you would be taking Kobe Brown's spot in
the rotation, Like that's Who's minutes would be on the line here, right
if they make a trade for anyone this level and therefore, I mean Kobe
Brown's been out of the rotation for real minutes, Franks, now a mirror
is lopped up in that position. I mean, he'd be going back to
Toronto. He was there for a year, right, e J. Tucker.
I don't know. I don't know exactly know what they're up to either.
They're in like a soft rebuilt situation where they want to compete a little
but also get better and you get younger. Would they buy them ount afterwards?
I don't know. I mean I like the move for the Clippers obviously,
Yeah, if they could pull that off, Yeah, I feel like
I don't even want a trade. I know, like there's this idea,
these ideas that we need another Big four or something like that, but there's
no one cheap enough to not that I think is worth disrupting what the top
of the Clippers roster is doing right now. I mean, yeah, I
agree with you, and like at this point, I guess it just it
really depends on what the what the team that you're doing business with is looking
for. But like I mean, Adam said, bones, I think bones
would be a pretty hard give. I mean, as much as a mer
has like really lifted his value, you'd have to be getting, like I
feel like you'd have to be getting back a pretty nice piece. I'd lose
to give up that because the thing is with his team is, like you
know, we already talked about the contracts for the Big three, They're just
gonna be so limited in what they can do. You need good cheap players.
You just you need good cheap players so bad. That's part of the
reason that the Warriors were able to establish a dynasty is because they got these
like they got guys on good contracts. They had really good luck or bad
injury luck, however you want to look at it. But like this stuff
matters, and it matters with an aging team that needs to continue a sort
of championship window, it's really difficult to me to foresee giving up that sort
of young town. Even Look, I know Bones isn't playing right now,
he's not in the rotation, but that doesn't mean he's not in the rotation
next year, or that there's not moments for him. Because every year two,
one, three plus now Harden gets a little bit older, and I
don't expect them to replicate this absolutely incredible season that they've had for the rest
of those three four years. You know, I'm not saying anything negative about
them, but like, you know, as you get up there thirty five,
you know, it gets a lot harder to do man, like even
you know, even for Lebron, Like even even for the people who have
had the most longevity, Like, that's a big ask. And the way
that you can take some of that off is obviously by having guys who can
step up in their place. But when you're this limited by the second apron,
like they gotta be cheap guys too, Like, it's even harder.
Not only do they have to be good guys who are younger than your stars,
they also got to be not making a lot of money and boys that
skelet skeleton key nickname didn't come out of nowhere. Bones was on his way.
You look at the preseason and then the first four games of the regular
season seventeen twelve, eighteen seventeen, Bones was doing work like he was really
turning a corner. Everybody, to a man said he was the one guy
that looked different that made a big leap during training camp. Kawhi Leonard could
see it. I think, man, it would be rough to get rid
of Bones. That would be tough on me. That would be I mean,
I wouldn't do that podcast if it did, I wouldn't. You wouldn't
speak on it. We would still have a camera, but it would just
be an empty chair. Just no, I'll like turn my back in the
corner, like the guy at the end of blair Witch. Like, yeah,
just standing in the corner. Blair. I need to revisit Blair Witch.
Fantastic right now, I'm really going to revisit it. Such a great
movie. Okay, now more Blair Witch talk. No, uh, we
actually I want to put this is something we've never done on this show.
This is something we've never done on this show. I would like to put
the kabash on something. If you guys would like to hear me out.
We can't talk about James Harden again. Back to that or this idea I
saw first on Twitter from uh Clipper Spencer from Clipper Spencer, the head of
the Batoon Battalion, great, great guy, great Clippers fan. And then
someone who only communicates to Will and I who is a fan of the podcast
via linked in messages, sent us this idea too. Draymond Green does not
need to be a Clipper. Stop telling us that it doesn't make any sense.
I don't I like that. How would that work contractually? Contractually?
It's making so much money, Yeah, he's making like twenty four, twenty
five or something like that. Basketball wise, with what the Clippers are doing
right now, you want to trade for Draymond Green. There's already like so
many rotation players that he couldn't play next to just because he's coming off the
benches, or we're gonna change the starting lineup where he's the starting four now
and we change the whole starting lineup like it's yeah, but he's coming off
the bench. It's what with I mean tis at some point like it I
just don't. I'm a huge fan of Draymond's career, but sure, but
the other twenty it blows to the head. But no, madam, am
I wrong? Like, am I wrong to to propose a kabash on this
idea? I don't think so. If we're gonna put a kebash on James
Harden talk this summer when it was a very realistic possibility, I see this
as much less of one. He makes twenty five million next year, twenty
five, the year after that, twenty seven, the year after that is
a player option, but I don't know at that point he'll be thirty six.
I think he's making a lot of money. I think he's the type
of guy that could help any team. But that is a huge commitment to
a team that we were just talking about earlier still looks to be signing Paul
George and James Harden. We're all expecting that to happen. I don't.
I don't see it. I just it's not that it wouldn't fit or he
couldn't help. I just don't see it within the structure of the salary cap
happening really yeah, like if any functional like if you look at this,
if you look at the Clippers payroll, and you stop at NORM and then
you take everyone below norm because norms are like ten, Like an eight for
one would work. But you're telling me you would want to include anyone norm
and above on that list a trade for Draymond Green. Like, I don't
usually react ideas like this, but I just really don't understand. Yeah,
shut it down, Chuck, shut it shut. We're shutting it down.
The only the only way we're gonna make sure this doesn't happen is if we
convince Carl Tart to by a custom Draymond Green Clipper's jersey, which would be
an all time bit. Oh wait, will Adam pitch Adam the idea we
had for the Michael Jordan uh impersonator outside Staple Center. Oh okay, So
I mean talk about real basketball stuff after that. If you're from Los Angeles,
you're familiar with the with the uh Michael Jordan impersonator off and outside of
games. Also, you just see him on the on the metro and stuff
sometimes. Anyways, I was thinking, Charles looks about as much like Larry
Bird as that guy does like Michael Jordan. What do you think would happen
if Chuck just tossed on the Celtics. Jersey went out there and I don't
know, spun of basketball on his finger. That's a fun bit. A
lot of Lakers fans saying, fuck the Celtics. Oh yeah, well in
your face. They'll still find you. We could, old white dudes.
They'll want their picture taken with you. Yeah, that's true. Are you
gonna make like eighty bucks a day? But yeah, okay, but it's
a good bit idea. I think his I think his reaction would be good.
It'd be a funny bit. Yeah. Also his reaction like when Larry
Birds walking out, just full like full kit like long thought like, yeah,
be it'd be very fun. All right, coming up shoes, Oh
I'm wearing the weapons, the coor what he used to wear. All right,
I'm we're talking the wall, the into It dome wall propaganda. As
Will Updyke would say after this ad break, the AD's been lauded for some
people. If that's been your case, go ahead and turn it down.
We got ads and then into It stuff coming up in three to one.
Hey, welcome back into Clips and Dip Episode forty two of season two.
I'm at a Maslin. We got Chuck Mockler, and Will Updyke here no
Clippers games till Sunday. They have an early one going up against the Brooklyn
Nets of their sloppy second situation where the Lakers get them first on a Friday
night, but coming in August. The Into It Dome will already be hosting
musical events concerts midway through August, but more importantly, they're hosting the All
Star Game in twenty twenty six. Elle, it sounds like it is a
Clippers exclusive, no features. It's not them and the Lakers sharing All Star
hosting responsibilities. It's just on the Clippers at Into It Dome, which speaks
to where this franchise is come or how far it's come. Chuck, It's
pretty incredible. Can you imagine if they were trying to coordinate events between Staples
Center and the Into It Dome, like just with the traffic and stuff.
I just I think it would be a nightmare. Sure, oh, it'd
be one of the worst All Stars on record. You could go for them
and Into It Dome. But yeah, we were talking with Pavvy of Hoops
and Bruce shout out Hoops and Bruce shot out Pavvy about how funny. It
is for all the people who are going to visit LA for the first time
and be like All Star weekend, let's do it, and like be staying
in Sherman Oaks and then be like yeah, I'd be like, all right,
how are we getting down there? Let's lift on over. What's it
gonna take fifteen twenty minutes? Anyway, I'm very excited for this. It's
incredible the Clippers are hosting this. It's really cool. They're doing it outright.
It's a nice test run, I guess, and like really cool spectacle
to show off the arena, which which what Balmber wants to do. But
yeah, the Olympics basketball is gonna be there too. It's gonna be sick.
I hope I can go very least. I guess they'll be in the
parking lot or something. But yeah, I'm excited. Will, How are
you gonna get into it? Because he'll be doing your Larry, He'll be
in the parking lot. I'll be like, I'm gonna take three point three
threes a game. That's what I want to do? Uh? Will?
How excited for the into it? Ome? Are you? Has the propaganda
gotten to you yet? I'm very excited. I like that you're barely excitement.
They've been pushing the wall a lot. I don't know if if you're
listening to this podcast and you're not familiar with the wall, it's a group.
What is it? Like five thousand there's a whole five thousand people.
It's like the standing room only Clippers fans only section. Did I didn't realize
it taking out back and shoot you if you're sitting there with it without Clippers
Garing say come on back. Bomber got inspired by this after being at Kawhi's
jersey retirement at SDSU. Apparently I saw an sdsup's foot round, which is
pretty cool. It doesn't doesn't LAFC do this? Yes, they absolutely do
with thirty two to fifty two or the three two five To excuse me,
it's huge in soccer. I sawas tweeted someone was like, yeah, like,
I like how you pointed out they ripped this idea off from LAFC.
And his response was really great. He's like, some idea should be ripped
off. This is a great idea. Oh he's gonna make basketball awesome.
Yeah no, it doesn't make the the idea any less good. I know,
I'm behind this. I think I think that last game versus the Thunder
was like one of the more lively Clippers crowd started slow scene, yeah that
I've seen in a while. Atmospheres, dude, they've been playing. Yeah,
definitely, definitely Yeah, like post that post that playoff run where Kawhi
went down in twenty one, I feel like that was like one of the
one of the more active crowds I've seen. So I think the Clippers fans
deserve it. I think that it'll be I think that it's great for morale.
I think that it's I think that it's a great idea. It's gonna
rock when it's full. Adam your thoughts on the wall, I mean being
down on it because it's not new. It's like, well, Nestall Stadium,
they get a new I've done to death. Everyone gets new arenas.
Eventually, this is nothing new here, new under the sun? Come on,
Uh, It's cool. It's gonna be at least somewhat unique to the
NBA. Isn't that totally what's important? Having that college like atmosphere there and
that one section of the crowd. I think it's like what everyone says about
Utah, like part of the thing is like, that's a stadium that does
nothing but basketball. It's designed in a way that's like, you know,
it's it's it's advantageous for the home fans, and it's like an extra kind
of fun thing for the spectators. Yeah, it's a real home court advantage.
They are good there regardless of what type of year they're having. They
typically are always tough at home. Same with Denver, but there's more of
an altitude thing going on there. But I just like any home court advantage
within the rules that you can manufacture, I'm all for it. And so
keeping it all Clippers fans, it sounds like they're going to be able to
pull that off. I wasn't sure about the Chuck mark and everything. And
then it's like, oh, you gotta buy like a Clippers jersey or something
like that, prove you're fan. That's that works. That's cool, all
right, That part I'm not as big as a fan of. Well,
they don't have to buy Clippers gear. They just have to send a photo
of them in Clippers gear. Yeah, but they can haven't had one.
You can also purchase Clipper vision and that will help. I know. Carl
Tart has his Chuck Mark. So if you want your Chuck Mark, go
and do Do you get an honorary one? No, I don't get anything.
Maybe I'll get an honorary wet Willie. Like Chuck the Conbo gave that
World War Two veteran that one time. That story cannot die. It's the
most insane thing a mascot has ever done. They were holding that man up
and Chuck the Condor gave him a you can get an honorary bad back.
Yeah, hey, yeah I inherited that. Yeah. I was thinking part
of the Larry Burden pressures. I would just be laying on my stomach on
a towel, just on my help. Yeah, beat Team USA. Well
yeah, or we were thinking a funny bit would be like someone goes out
to play, you know, the Michael Jordan guy one on one and then
immediately gives a help, help, help, and then someone from the crowd
comes in with a double, you know, a little soft double. You
should be like, hey, you want to play one on one Bird versus
Magic, and then pull out the video game and be like, yeah,
we're gonna do it like this, do this probably beat my hands on that
too. All right, One final thing before we send Clippers fans on their
way. Paul George is so close to saying Powell Rangers on podcast PET.
Instead of Powell Rangers, he's saying Power Clippers, which makes me want to
drive a nail into the back of my hand. But we're right there.
What I For whatever reason, they don't have as good of a wrketing departments
as this podcast. Oh they don't. You got the Green Ranger in there?
R I P R I p that guy? This uh Power Rangers Green
Ranger stand up very rare and did cost me a pretty penny a few years
ago. No, Joe's not a pandemic by Yeah, that's right. I
don't I know. I know a quarantine buy when I see when I got
a couple of quarantine buys in my dead right now. This made me happy
for at least a week. This was my friend. This was my volleyball
from castaway that I talked to. Well, I hope you hit it with
some bleach or something. When how do we get him to say Power Rangers?
How do we do it? Does we have to go on the show
he's been on but again? Right? Does he have to go on again?
He's so close Power Clippers is insane. We got to get one of
the co hosts. I don't know if Paul George somebody here. It's as
simple as this, Dallas mayor Joey Lynn and Murray Andrew Griy, somebody bring
up the numbers with the Powell Rangers death lineup and call it the Powell Rangers
death lineup, and that will have a gain traction. Just ask somebody a
question postgame about it. It's going to happen at some point. This is
why I'm mad that Will and I aren't allowed in the locker room anymore,
because we would definitely be like, have you heard the Power Rangers thing going
up? Those were the kind of locker room way worst questions I know,
But we're not Tier one anymore. I also one time got to ask you,
remember when Patrick Patterson took that three against the Blazers and that guy like
kicked him in the head, like jumped super weird. I got to ask
Patrick Patterson if that was the first time he'd ever been kicked in the head
on a three. Was pretty fun. Now we need the Power Rangers that
we're so close. Eric Weed had such a good drawing of it. It's
gonna have a shirt soon. I remember Media day when I brought up all
of Mason Plumley's nicknames just so I could get to say big Plum. I
was like, you know, plum Dog, Millionaire, point Plumb, my
favorite, Big Plum, Big Plumb. People afterwards were like, that was
a great question. That was awesome. Guys, they're being asked all these
little you know, the same thing over and over again. Just rephrase,
give them something different. Ask them about the Powell Rangers. It's a real
thing. They're like a plus sixty two and seventy five minutes or something like
that on the court. I love that the Power Ranger is still here for
this conversation because that adds credence to it. We're real about this. We
also we have Power Ranger comics that we need to get to. Got a
very friendly message from Ryan Perrow he has them for us anyway, anything else?
I know Adam was very excited. Uh will as we send these people
on their way for two more ish days of no Clippers basketball? Where could
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thank you so much to everybody who's who's rocking with us. I know
it's a weird long break, but soon we're gonna be having games like more
than every other day. So quiet, find a friend during this break.
Guys, it's all good. We're gonna be doing. We do have the
brunch battle on Sunday. Will and I are gonna be live on YouTube after
that game, kind of hanging out shooting the breeze. Adam might might pop
into doing a double dip after the game for that as well. Probably maybe
who knows. We're kicked off, Adam. We got a positive thing we
want to end on for these Clippers fans. I didn't get to my blessings
in disguise part Oh, I'm gonna throw it on here. If Carlo Hemenez
brought this up, Chuck and I talked about it the other night. If
Mason Plumley doesn't get hurt against the Knicks with that ridiculous fly towards knee superman
move by Julius Randall that was incredibly dangerous. If that didn't happen, they
wouldn't have Daniel Tye right now. They would not have Big Plumbley and Daniel
Tice to help figure this thing out and hold down the fort without it beats
Zoobos. Sometimes it feels like things happen for a reason. Scubos talked about
this in an exclusive with to Mayr earlier. But if this had happened in
marsh during the seventeen games, if this had happened in April during the playoffs,
that would be much worse than the timing of it happening now while you
have four days off with plenty of time to start to figure out some more
schemes of how to work around not having Big Zoo collectively. So, I
don't know. It just seems like the basketball gods are at least giving the
Clippers a glance, just looking out for him slightly. This season, even
the schedule hasn't felt quite as treacherous. But I know I know what's coming,
so good, good things, even in an injury. You can see
the silver lining sometimes with this team. And maybe it'll make Zoo finally get
over this calf injury that he's had the last two seasons. He's been dealing
with it. He just actually needs to get some real time off, which
he's never had before, mister reliable. So that's that's all. I'm looking
at it, glass half full all the time, you know me, fantastic,
glass half full. Adam Oslin will Updike, Chuck Mockler Signing off,
we thank you so much for listening. We back with you soon on Sunday,
and as always, let's go Clips