WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.839 You are listening to the IFH podcast Network. For more amazing filmmaking and screenwriting 2 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:14.839 podcasts, just go to ifahpodcastnetwork dot com. Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, 3 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:19.039 Episode number three sixty four. The struggle you're in today is developing the 4 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:25.079 strength that you need for tomorrow. Don't give up Robert Toay broadcasting from a 5 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:29.000 dark, windowless room in Hollywood when we really should be working on that next 6 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:34.280 draft. It's the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, showing you the craft and business of 7 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:39.079 screenwriting while teaching you how to make your screenplay bulletproof. And here's your host, 8 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:44.719 Alex Ferrari. Welcome, Welcome to another episode of the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast. 9 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:49.200 I am your humble host Alex Ferrari. Now, today's show is sponsored 10 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:55.759 by Bulletproof script Coverage. Now. Unlike other script coverage services, Bulletproof Script 11 00:00:55.799 --> 00:01:00.520 Coverage actually focuses on the kind of project you are in the goal of the 12 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.359 project you are, so we actually break it down by three categories, micro 13 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.079 budget, indie film, market, and studio film. There's no reason to 14 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:11.680 get coverage from a reader that's used to reading temp pole movies when your movie 15 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.239 is going to be done for one hundred thousand dollars and we wanted to focus 16 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.319 on that. At Bulletproof Script Coverage, our readers have worked with Marvel Studios, 17 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.560 CIA, WME, NBC, HBO, Disney, Scott Free, Warner 18 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.680 Brothers, The Blacklist, and many many more. So if you need your 19 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:34.319 screenplay or TV script covered by professional readers, head on over to covermiscreenplay dot 20 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:41.159 com. Now today on the show, we have renaissance filmmaker, producer, 21 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:46.200 director, and actor Tanner Beard. Now. I had the pleasure of meeting 22 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.239 Tanner at the Mammoth Film Festival this year, where he is one of the 23 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.680 co founders of that festival, and he is just a wealth of information. 24 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.719 He's produced a ton of movies as well as directed and also acted in some 25 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:04.879 big things as well. And I truly loved learning how he was able to 26 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:10.120 become a producer on a few Terrence Malick films and what was like to be 27 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.879 on a Terrence Malick film and talk to the man. And he has a 28 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:16.800 great Terrence Malick story. If you guys don't know who Terrence Malick is, 29 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:21.680 please google him. But I was really excited to talk to him about that 30 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.199 his vision for the Mammoth Film Festival as well, and what it takes to 31 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:31.000 be a producer, director, actor, renaissance filmmaker in Hollywood today. He 32 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:36.120 dropped some great, great knowledge bombs in this interview. So without any further 33 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:40.599 ado, please enjoy my conversation with tannered Beard. I'd like to welcome to 34 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:44.719 the show, tannered Beard brother, thank you so much for taking out the 35 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.560 time. Man absolutely, man, thanks for having me. I appreciate it 36 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.120 for everyone watching this and not listening to it only you have like the coolest 37 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:58.080 backdrop ever on the show, because it's like you're literally in a beautiful dollars 38 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.159 backdrop we did. It's all blue screen. I'm actually hanging. I'm actually 39 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.400 suspended on some wires right now, right and that's not even your face. 40 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.599 It's all like James Camber doubt right now. This is I'm in Wisconsin. 41 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:13.199 This is a body double here, I think a studio of Pasadena exactly. 42 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:19.360 So we had the pleasure of meeting for the first time at the Mammoth Film 43 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.919 Festival, where you are one of the co founders of and right I cannot 44 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.919 We're going to talk more about second one, by the way, So yes, 45 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:29.080 I had somebody like any film hustle out there, So thank you and 46 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.039 I appreciate it, brother, And it was you know, it's We're going 47 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.439 to talk a bunch more about the Mammo Film Festival later in the interview, 48 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.560 but I just want to tell you how much I loved, love, love 49 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:45.000 the festival, even though I was trapped for two days by the mountain of 50 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:50.680 Kubrick style snow. From the shining. We figured we could sell more merchandise 51 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.479 if we had everybody snowed in. It's very true because we sell a lot 52 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.800 of gloves and scarves and things of this nature. So it was really just 53 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.680 deployed by the film festival to make more money and it and it works or 54 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.000 I don't know how you got all that a hell of a blizzard, man, 55 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:10.039 Yeah, I will say, like for us on the on the mechanical 56 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.560 side of it, obviously, it's like, man, just please let it 57 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.040 stop snowing for two more seconds so we can try to get more people to 58 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:20.079 the theater, or get the people from the theater back over to like an 59 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:25.360 interactive panel discussion, or get him to Mammoth Con or something. But for 60 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.680 everybody it's like we're internally, we're like thinking like, oh man, they're 61 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:30.279 not gonna have a good time. You're not gonna have a good ton. 62 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.680 Uh. For for us, it was like everybody was like smiling and being 63 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.720 like, dude, this blizzard's crazy, right, I'm like, you're happy. 64 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:45.800 This is I've never crazy. Yeah. And a few a few episodes 65 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.839 ago, we had Darius brit On from US Deeper Darius and I met him 66 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.959 at the Mammoth Film Festival and both of us have never experienced actually being trapped 67 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:00.000 in a location. We've We've you know, like the flight has been canceled 68 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.439 because of weather and you are in the town where the weather's happening. I've 69 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:09.120 had it canceled from flying two sure, but never been locked landlocked. That 70 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.600 was not a home. They closed the roads and everything too, So what's 71 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.319 air travel? It was like physical travel of any kind. But I will 72 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.240 say it and kind of hats off to the town of Mammoth Lakes. You 73 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:24.079 know they did they moved heaven and earth. They knew there was a festival 74 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.000 in town, so the bulldozers and stuff like, you know, they did 75 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.199 it. They worked as fast as they could, So hats off to the 76 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.240 town of Mammoth Lakes. Were like making it possible for us to not have 77 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.560 to We didn't have to cancel one thing. No, no, no, 78 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.560 no, that's true. Those those, those and those bulldozers were no joke, 79 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:41.240 man, And the tires on them are like, I'm like looking up 80 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.399 at the tire. So it's pretty awesome. It was a pretty insane, 81 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.360 all right. So let's get so, let's get into it. So first, 82 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.879 how did you get into the business in the first place. I started 83 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:54.279 off as an actor. I moved out to Los Angeles in two thousand and 84 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.759 three. I used to be a if I was if I didn't get into 85 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.800 the motion picture business, it's going to be a pro golfer. It's what 86 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.560 I was really into growing up in Snyder, Texas. Shout out to Snyder 87 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:10.120 Texas, Patrick Malone, Very tub Powers, Booth, Kevin Olejandro. So 88 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:14.480 I moved, Uh, I got a I did this film contest when I 89 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.720 was in high school, and I was really into like Guy Ritchie films at 90 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.120 the time, sure as everybody was. When that's when the high track from 91 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:24.879 like lock Stock and Snack and I shot, I think about what I did 92 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.319 when I was in high school. I shot this town like we're running around 93 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.560 with guns and like the town square, but it's Snyder, Texas, so 94 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:35.439 like nobody nobody really cared. But there's also like, I mean a given 95 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:40.720 Sunday you'll see like two turkey walking down the street in like our town square. 96 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.240 That's how I kind of West Texas. This place is. So it's 97 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.639 like it's just kids with guns in the town square. Not a big deal. 98 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:47.720 They're kids, you know what I mean. So but I'm thinking and 99 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.120 we're dressed up like mafia guys. Anyway, I think about it now and 100 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:56.240 it's just so crazy what we used to do. And maybe that's why I 101 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.680 won this film contest because they were like, well, these kids must have 102 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.759 gotten permits and they're they're really taking care of they're really on top of it. 103 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.839 We were just like crazy enough to do it. But I made this 104 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:10.839 little guy Ritchie esque type of movie, and uh, you know, for 105 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.360 that reason, just getting to use the town as my asset. Got a 106 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:20.240 scholarship to Auburn University back towards Auburn, but I just didn't want to go 107 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:25.079 study film in Alabama. Right, But but I think at that time I 108 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.279 kind of got like my parents were like, oh, well, maybe these 109 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.279 crazy videos he's been making maybe they actually maybe we'll get somewhere one day. 110 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.160 So with that said, I went to the New York Film Academy at Universal 111 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:41.879 Studios there in Los Angeles, right there in Universal Studios, no like I 112 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.240 get it. Like I remember as a kid, like Spielberg's Alban offices right 113 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.839 there, and I remember one day, of course we used to smoke cigarettes 114 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.519 back in the day, it was so much cooler, but I remember that 115 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:55.959 everybody, everybody in the film business had to take their cigarette break and they 116 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.279 were all like there was this one grouping area. But what was cool is 117 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:03.800 you could see into Spielberg's office there and I remember seeing him and Tom Hanks 118 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:09.879 and they're going over some storyboards for I believe it was terminal at the time, 119 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.879 and I just remember thinking, like, I feel like I'm in the 120 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.920 right place, you know what I mean. It's like it was such a 121 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:22.120 reward to be like, if I'm here learning film and Steven Spielberg's over there 122 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.079 doing film, it felt like a really good place. So I've always kind 123 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.319 of had a love for New York Film Academy just for that. And then 124 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.560 you get to film on the back line of Universal Studios and this is like 125 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.240 such a commercial for them right now. It's a big deal in my life 126 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.919 as an eighteen year old kid coming from you know, Tumbleweeds and pump jacks 127 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.440 out to seeing Tom Hanks and Steven Spilberg do a storyboard together. So that 128 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:48.720 got me out to Los Angeles and I really was just trying to do the 129 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:50.720 acting thing for a long time. I still do. I mean, I 130 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:52.480 still love to act. As long as I can do like one or two 131 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.320 projects that I don't make a year, I still feel like I'm in the 132 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.919 acting game, you know. So I've gotten to do some pretty great projects, 133 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:05.879 but my real I think passion is just filmmaking in general. You know. 134 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.120 I like to I like to be a part of great teams, great 135 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.440 people, great projects. And luckily, over the span of fifteen years, 136 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.120 I've been able to work with some amazing people. And it's funny. I've 137 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.519 gotten to do some really big movies, but like the smaller movies that you 138 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.080 have far more you know, you're hand dipped in, are the ones I'm 139 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.519 like more proud of. Like I got to do a movie with like Christian 140 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.039 Bale, But anybody, somebody were talking to us, like tell us what 141 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.080 it was worth you know, what was it like to be a part of 142 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:31.799 Night of Cups? And I'm like, yeah, it was great. So 143 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:37.720 we did this movie in Spain for like eighty thousand dollars called six Bullets to 144 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:39.600 Hell, and I just sold it. They're like, yeah, that's great. 145 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.559 So you know, it's just like a for it of like who cares? 146 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.559 Yeah, yeah, they just wanted to see the big star stuff, 147 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.639 all the big stars and stuff. Yeah, cause you actually kind of made 148 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:56.080 your bones coming up doing kind of do U I Y kind of filmmaking. 149 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:03.279 We'll be right back after a word from our spawn, sir, and now 150 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.000 back to the show. Yeah. Man, I have a production company called 151 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.120 silver Sell Entertainment, which I just found this old at this house. I 152 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:16.440 just found this old like coffee thing and I'm like fantastic. I've been looking 153 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.200 for these, But silver Sell Entertainment We've gotten to do some really great films. 154 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.759 We did Hellyin with Aaron Paul that went to sun Dance that was actually 155 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.639 speaking of being snowed in at places. So my first Sundance experience, I 156 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.120 was also snowed in, but up in a house. A bunch of us 157 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.759 had rented a house what ye what year? That would have been two thousand 158 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.879 and ten, Okay, and it was a horrible snow year, but like 159 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.799 we all thought it would be great butt this. There was like fifteen people 160 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.960 staying at this thing, a bunch of just different organizations, a Metris like 161 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.600 where I met Shane West who became a good friend of mine. But if 162 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:52.159 you were up in that house at the time you were there, you missed 163 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.799 three days of the festival because there was no way they could like get you 164 00:10:54.919 --> 00:11:00.879 out of this house. So it was like this really weird scenario. Speaking 165 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.080 of the Shining Man. You know, it's like this giant somebody's like giant 166 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.799 mansion and we were just there. But it's where I got to meet you 167 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.559 know, uh, Stephen Garcia, who I do business with today, Jeff 168 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:15.039 Caligary, producer of Waterstone Entertainment. Meet these people today, a couple of 169 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:16.799 the producers I stay in touch with. And I was like, how fatuitous. 170 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.679 You know that kind of relationship where you said you got snowed in with 171 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.120 with Darius, you guys got to connect. It was cool that when I 172 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:26.519 got snowed in at Sundance. I still talk to these people to this day 173 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.759 and business with them. So it's kind of weird how the Snowy Mountain film 174 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.960 festivals can sometimes really bring people together. Oh absolutely, man, there it's 175 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.120 a new slogan for Mammoth that's going to be snowed in. That's the best. 176 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.039 That's the best networking you could do. That's networking to do. But 177 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.039 you can't go anywhere. No, it's absolutely true. Like you've got no 178 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.559 internets down, you can't do anything all this kind of stuff. You're like, 179 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.360 what are you going to? Well, I guess I'll talk to these 180 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.639 guys. Yeah, exactly. Well it's great. Hey, you know what, 181 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.480 it's old fashioned. You just talk to another human these things I know, 182 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.679 right exactly. So you so you kind of tipped a little bit about 183 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:03.840 kind of the project you worked on. I mean, you've done a lot 184 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.039 of indie work as well as a producer. You also direct as well, 185 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.399 uh and do some directing as well. But you also produced with this this 186 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.840 young upstart what's his name, Malick, Terry Terry Malick. Yeah, this 187 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.840 kid, he's gonna be something. Uh. Speaking in New York Film Academy, 188 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.120 there was a class. Uh. I used to study Terrence Malick in 189 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.799 film school. Sure, because he is after getting the luxury of medium. 190 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.799 And I haven't had that many conversations with him directly, and when I have 191 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.200 minimum all ears, that's for sure sure. And he's such I mean, 192 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.240 he's you can ask anybody in the business. He is the kind of he's 193 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.440 he doesn't even make movies, he makes something beyond them, you know. 194 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.559 That's I've always kind of felt. When I got to know him a little 195 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.159 bit better, I always thought of him as life. I was like, 196 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.440 man, you're like the Albert Einstein of filmmaking, because you're just you just 197 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:00.879 see them in a different light, in a different and a different He's on 198 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.279 a different wavelength in the rest of us. There's no question about it. 199 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.039 Is artistic nature is probably the most true to form because he doesn't care who 200 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.879 you are. If it doesn't work, you're just if you're just not a 201 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:11.080 part of the story, like you're just you're gone, you know what I 202 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.399 mean. He's like Edward Scissorhands and editing. Yeah, and he doesn't care 203 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.799 who it is. No, no, he doesn't. But but not in 204 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.120 an attacky way, in just like like visionary way, you know what I 205 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.039 mean. He doesn't play into like if you know and on the day when 206 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.320 you got to shoot them, it's it's it's like it's I feel like it's 207 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.679 more for him. I can't speak for him, but I feel like it's 208 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.279 more for him where it's like you gets to see the whole story himself. 209 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.159 So he'll show you the story that he wants to put together. And if 210 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.080 you're a part of that. I think a lot of people are like, 211 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.279 I made the cut. It's like being you know, it's like an audition. 212 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.279 While because I remember, I mean, and for everyone, for whoever's 213 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.440 listening, who doesn't know who Terrence Malick is, please google Terrence Malick. 214 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:58.320 He is a legend up there with Kubrick in many ways. When Kubrick is 215 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.480 the eyes wide shut. Terrence had come out that same year, and I 216 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:03.799 think I forgot them. I think it was bost War or The New World. 217 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.600 He was doing that that same year. If I'm not mistake, I 218 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.159 might be mistaken. But and there were like two recluses have been released. 219 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.799 Because he hadn't made a movie in like twenty five years or something like that. 220 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.759 Yeah, yeah, now he's I don't think he had made a movie 221 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.080 since The Thin Red Line, right, which was one of my favorites. 222 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.000 It is one of the most beautiful pieces of art. It's incredible, it's 223 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.720 amazing, it's amazing. So that's that's who Terrence Malick is. And you've 224 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.480 been able. You were able to produce four three or four of us projects. 225 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.600 It turned out to be four because one of them was extended. So 226 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:43.399 I met Sarah Green, like, I can't mention mister Malick without mentioning Sarah 227 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.000 Green, because I wouldn't know, you know, have had the luxury of 228 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.919 being a part of those films had it not been for her. But when 229 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:56.360 silver Sell Entertainment did Hellion, Sarah Green took that through the Sundance Institute the 230 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:58.840 Sundance Lab and had been working with them. So we got partnered up with 231 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.919 her and Jeff Nichols, who's also just the best. And I was like, 232 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.720 wow, man, these are just two incredible people in their fields. 233 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.879 And I was so, you know, I've been working with Susanna Winert for 234 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.840 so long. It's nice to get to meet Sarah Green through her. So 235 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.759 when that happened, it just allowed me to you know, it's kind of 236 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.519 like putting yourself out there right place, right time. You just never know 237 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.120 more opportunity is going to open up for you. But if you're never out 238 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.480 there, you're never going to be able to be in that situation, you 239 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.279 know. So I can't really describe how it happened. It was just a 240 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.039 lovely time in my life. I guess, you know what I mean. 241 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.240 Butt in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, I've been 242 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.080 grinding for eleven and a half years with not getting to that place where I 243 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.799 feel like I'm getting to do something substantial. You know, it's a lot 244 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:48.000 of indie films. Hell, I'd done twenty five movies up until that point, 245 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.039 and nobody, you know, people ask you like, so you've been 246 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.519 in anything that I've seen. I'm like, I don't know, have you 247 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.720 seen like an indie film that came out like two years ago? And nap? 248 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.759 You know what I mean. It's just like no. But then you 249 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.080 say these names like, oh, have you seen Christian Bales Night of Cups? 250 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:08.360 Exactly my names on that one somewhere, even though I had zero to 251 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:15.759 do with it creatively. But but but in turn, you know where I 252 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.120 got to come in is in helping the team get that movie to the finish 253 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.200 line. Uh. You know those films like literally had practically already been shot. 254 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.559 There was just you know, so many, so much going on with 255 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.240 all of them. Mister Malick had shot so much and was trying to get 256 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.879 them out individually that you know, they still needed to kind of bring on 257 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.679 team members to come and help assemble, and so that was like a big 258 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.960 deal. But it was The Night of Cups with Christian Beale, Natalie Portman, 259 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:47.879 Kate Blanchett. Just the list goes on, and then uh, there 260 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:52.679 was another film called Song to Song that was Ryan Gosling, Michael Fastbender, 261 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.720 Ate a lot of the same teammates and that, and then again the list 262 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.360 goes on and on with that. But one that I was that's really special. 263 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.240 I got to I mean, Brad Pitt was a producer on it and 264 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.720 he also did the narration. But it was a film called Voyage of Time, 265 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:17.799 which was a forty five minute documentary that mister Malick had been making for 266 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.640 and I kid you not forty plus years. He has been working on this 267 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:26.400 documentary for forty plus years. And there's a much larger version of it too 268 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.759 that Kate Blanchett narrates. And that's the one that we premiered at Venice Film 269 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:36.319 Festival, and like I've never been you know, my redneck Texas West, 270 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.640 you know West Texas ass had never been part of something like that. Like 271 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:44.880 I'm at the Venice Film Festival standing next to Sophocles who did a little a 272 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:49.480 little thing called Planet Earth Sure, and you know, like a couple other 273 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.359 gentlemen, like one of the gentlemen that produced Titanic. I'm just like sitting 274 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.440 there like this is like so surreal. And then after it's over, you 275 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.640 have to you have to sit through like a ten minute standing of which is 276 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.519 very stomary. And you know the in the Venice Film Festival and even Berlin 277 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.839 and stuff. So that for me was just like it wasn't like a rite 278 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:11.559 of passage. It was kind of like I felt like a uh, like 279 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:18.039 a like a final Wish foundation or something make a Way, make a wish 280 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.240 wish or something, Yeah, make a waye foundation. Yeah. But I 281 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.720 will say, you know, sometimes you do have to take a step back 282 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:30.319 and and really be grateful and also feel gratified for for the work that you 283 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.279 do put in. You know what I mean, if you don't have if 284 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.160 you don't take those minutes and say like you know, if you don't kind 285 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:37.359 of reward yourself with saying like, well, you know what, man, 286 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:41.599 maybe I do deserve to be here a little bit because of the work that 287 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.039 I have put in for all the years, and hell, just being honest 288 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.440 and doing business in an honest form. I feel like got me here faster 289 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:52.160 than trying to you know, snake my way through uh this industry where it's 290 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.319 just like you know what, man, just keep putting in the time and 291 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:59.319 the work honestly and it will reward you, you know. So and boy, 292 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:06.359 and it did heavy from twenty fourteen to sixteen. Really those were some 293 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:07.400 big years, big years of my life. So I think I went to 294 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.400 like twelve fifteen festivals during that year because not only did they have my own 295 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.680 projects, but we had all these you know, Malick films and stuff coming 296 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.480 out. And then one thing that was really cool. I went to the 297 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.960 Toronto International Film Festival and Brad pitt version of Voyage of Time was the first 298 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.279 Imax movie that Tiff had ever done. So I was like, oh, 299 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.440 man, like now when they're doing Imax movies like sixteen Years down the Road 300 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:33.160 or whatever, I'll be like, I got to do the you know, 301 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.799 I got to be part of the first one there, which was kind of 302 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:44.440 cool. But yeah, it was just absolutely educational and you know, breathtaking 303 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.680 to even get to have conversations with with mister Malick. And these films are 304 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.079 you know, they were well received, more so in Europe, I think 305 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.680 than America, just the storytelling and what people are used to. But we'll 306 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:03.599 be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the 307 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:08.200 show. The I mean, there's some of the most beautiful, you know, 308 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.920 some of the most Oh my god, I'm forgetting a huge piece of 309 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.599 it. Chibo, I was I was about to say Chievo Chibo did the 310 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.960 cinematography for these pictures. By the way, for everyone listening, Chievo is 311 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.839 arguably one of the greatest cinematographers of all time, and he won three Oscars 312 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.839 in a row. Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever done that before. 313 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.920 And honestly, man, like if he shot these movies before he went and 314 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.400 made those, that's how long these were in post, you know what I 315 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.960 mean. So like this was his you know, this was like his like 316 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:38.799 starter. But he sees incredible. Man. So to have my name anywhere 317 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:45.319 close to Sarah Green mister Malik Chivo and all of those amazing actors. He 318 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.920 still feels like, I'm not doing anything in the world that's that's insane. 319 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:52.400 So all right, so you you haven't earned my my, my recognition there. 320 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.920 So now you've done a couple you had a couple of conversations with mister 321 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.039 Malick. What is the best Uh, First of all, what is the 322 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:04.200 best story you've heard or like the best experience that you can share the interaction 323 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.920 with him? And then also what is the wisest thing or the biggest lesson 324 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:15.519 you took away from working with them? These are both great questions and they're 325 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:18.440 just really cool stories if you're a fan of his at all. So one 326 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.920 thing I kind of heard was on set that like, you know, he'll 327 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.119 kind of do some takes in the act there's no scripts, you know, 328 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.680 really like he's had conversations with the actors. They kind of find their way 329 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.519 as they're making these films, which I think is why a lot of these 330 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:37.920 actors get excited about the challenge of coming on and doing something so completely and 331 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.960 utterly different and then knowing that they have, you know, the safe hands 332 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.359 of mister Malick holding them as they as they perform, and he would never 333 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.599 let them fail. But I did hear that. You know, he would 334 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:53.400 occasionally just write something down and just slip it to them, you know, 335 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.079 like, for instance, I think it was Kim, or if it was 336 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.720 Ryan or Michael or excuse me, mister or mister Fassbender, who might call 337 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:06.400 them by their first names. But I remember there was a scene where they 338 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.319 were shooting and then I think he had wrote something like jump on his back 339 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:12.160 or something just out of nowhere, just to see how they would react to 340 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:18.240 it. And also that actor has to go and make that circumstance of real 341 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.839 of why he would go jump on his back. He in his mind had 342 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.599 to go figure that out too. So that's the lovely challenge from the actor's 343 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.920 perspective of like, okay, well why would this character jump on his back? 344 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.039 Let's figure this out. So I think that is such a lovely thing. 345 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.640 But you know, a couple takes went by and he slip them the 346 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.160 note. The next thing you know, that actor is having to pull it 347 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.799 off and this actor's having to react to it. And I think that's what 348 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:44.000 Chibo is there to. Can't capture so well and for you know, them 349 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.400 to all kind of you know, it's like mister Malick's the left hand and 350 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.680 she was the right hand, and for them to capture that and work in 351 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:55.160 tandem is just I think, what makes his movie so special. So that 352 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:57.079 was one instance where I thought, like, what an interesting way to go 353 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:03.200 about directing your picture. And then then another one is when we were at 354 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.039 the Berlin Film Festival. Excuse me now I'm just talking so much, but 355 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.319 I said. We were at the Berlin Film Festival, and this was even 356 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:17.000 my first time meeting like Christian Bale, which was obviously like really exciting to 357 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:22.160 me. Just trying to like maintain composure, I was really excited to chat 358 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:26.119 with mister Malick there because I was I was kind of surprised he came all 359 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.960 the way to Berlin. He's not he's not known for typically showing up at 360 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.519 you know, film festivals. He didn't go to the actual film festival. 361 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.559 But I got to talk to him at the after party and stuff afterwards, 362 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:41.279 and we were sitting there and we kind of had this great conversation which I 363 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:42.880 wish I could say I really remembered, but it was just so like I 364 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.319 was just hanging on every word he said, and really we were talking about 365 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.599 everything but the film. We were talking about sushi spots in Austin, and 366 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.279 you know, this is like I got to have like a like a buddy 367 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.720 buddy conversation with you know, mister Malick, which was so much cooler. 368 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.599 We were talking about like why this Whole Foods is better to go to than 369 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.319 that, like more cool because I'd spent so much time in Austin at this 370 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.119 time, so i'd come back a little a little while later and maybe the 371 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.200 you know, the single cocktail that I had gave me a little bit more 372 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.279 courage. But I was like, you know what, man, I would 373 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.039 just I'd be, I'd be. I'm gonna regret it if I don't go 374 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.680 up and say, like, you know, I would love to have this 375 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:26.319 picture with mister Malick, Like that would be like a real special wallhanger. 376 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:29.359 And since we've been able to work together, maybe it wouldn't be that big 377 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.599 a deal. So I walked up to him and he was like speaking with 378 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.240 Ken cal and Christian Bale, and I just my big dumb six or four 379 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.880 ass just walked over to him, was just like, hey, mister Malkin, 380 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:42.440 you got a second and He's like, oh, wait, Tenner, 381 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.160 are you And I was like, came like, I'm on my way out, 382 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:48.039 but before I went and just want to say thank you for everything, 383 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.319 and it's going to see do you care if I get a photo with you? 384 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.359 He's no, it was It wasn't like a bad movie. I was 385 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.319 gonna say he never takes mixers. Oh no, he doesn't, but that's 386 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.039 what he said. And like me, you know, I'm twenty eight, 387 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.279 twenty nine years old at this time. I don't care. I'm gonna go 388 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.599 ask anybody for anything. I saw Jordan, I'd be like, hey man, 389 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:07.079 I'm on my way out, but do you care if I get a 390 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.279 photo? And he'd be like, yeah, hurry up, you know what 391 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:11.839 I mean. So it's just it's just what I did. But what was 392 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:18.759 so cool about it is he was like, oh, Tinor I actually have 393 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:25.519 this horrible phobia of cameras and pictures. He's like, but I would love 394 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:29.920 to take a picture of you. And I'm like, that's the thing I've 395 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:36.240 ever heard. So he grabs my phone and like he like direct directs the 396 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.559 picture. Let's me up against this doorway, and I'm just like, this 397 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.400 is the coolest moment in my life. Meanwhile, my audience is Christian Bale 398 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.160 and Ken Cow who's kin Cow is one of the biggest producers in the world. 399 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.279 And Christian Bell's like sitting there like, fuck is this kid doing? 400 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.799 You know? In my mind anyway, I'm sure he was like not caring, 401 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.079 but mister Mallett kind of put me aside and he just kind of like 402 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.039 got down and he took a picture and they handed it to me, and 403 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.640 I was like, this is a thousand times cooler than me being I'm like, 404 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.519 you know, with him in a picture. And so I have the 405 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.240 picture here. I don't know if the camera could see it or not, 406 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.839 but this is the picture that mister Malick took of me. Wow. And 407 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.720 I was just like, I'm keeping that forever and you know, in a 408 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:19.599 frame, but it would just be like, why is this picture of you 409 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:25.240 in your bathroom? I like took that picture of me? That is, 410 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:27.640 you know, as a as a as a young filmmaker, as a person 411 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.359 who never wants to stop learning, and somebody who doesn't take for granted who 412 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.720 they get to work with sometimes. That was a really special moment because it 413 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:40.359 was so endearing from him and he took the time with me and and just 414 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:41.839 it was just a really cool thing that makes you want to kind of pay 415 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.640 it forward if you ever get to that point. You know, that's a 416 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:52.079 great Except my very long winded ence, Now, what is what is the 417 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.559 biggest lesson you learned from him? Well, I mean, he just has 418 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:03.720 this overwhelming fan base of people that work for him. There's not one person 419 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:08.200 that I've ever heard of working with mister Malick that is like this asshole shoots 420 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.759 forever or you know, It's like everybody's kind of like they're like being a 421 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:17.599 part of his picture. You know. It's like he's he's got the canvas 422 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.440 and you're either the easel, you know, the brush or the paint, 423 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.599 you know what I mean, if you're working on his set, and I 424 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.880 think everybody really appreciates even being the easel, you know, or or what 425 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.559 have you. So, I don't know, I would say the way he 426 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:38.920 treats people is a long way. You treat everybody nice, and then all 427 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.920 and then people want to work with you next time, even if even if 428 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.319 the situation is great, even if a blizzard comes in and wrecks your film 429 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:52.160 festival. I've found it very endearing from my team that they were like, 430 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.599 you know what, man, we're gonna We're gonna take Savogy this next year, 431 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.440 you know. So. I think the way you treat people's is probably 432 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.400 the biggest thing I picked up working for Chance Mallett for sure. And one 433 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:08.720 last question in regards to mister Malick, there isn't anybody alive that I can 434 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:15.680 think of that has his kind of clout or power to make the kind of 435 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.240 films he wants to on his in the way, in the fashion he wants 436 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.279 to do it with the kind of cast. I mean, you're talking about 437 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:27.400 the biggest movie stars in the world coming in I'm assuming not working for twenty 438 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.720 million dollars? Is that's not these budgets of these films. They're they're basically 439 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.400 like, I just want to work with you. What do we need to 440 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.359 do to make this happen. The only person I can think that did that 441 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.119 prior to me too was Woody Allen, right, and then also Kubrick, 442 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:47.200 and other than those three, there was really never like a car blotch like 443 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.680 Spielberg of course has that, and Scorsese has that, but they play in 444 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:55.680 different sandboxes. Sandboxes are much more expensive yeah. Yeah, yeah, so 445 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:57.640 like just to come out for like the mere fact of working part of it. 446 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.920 Yeah. Yeah, there's not that many guys alive doing it. A 447 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.640 lot of people show up for Rodriguez. But you're right, that's a different 448 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:08.599 sandbox. That's also another different sandbox as well. You know, So what 449 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.000 do you think it is about Terrence? Is it just the myth I mean 450 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:18.160 the mythos of him because he's to make its Uh it is because obviously he 451 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.440 didn't know him and you like, there's people that don't know him that you 452 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:22.119 know, I have actor friends and they were like, dude, you got 453 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.480 to give me on the next Maleck picture. I'm like, I don't have 454 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.559 that capability you're talking about. You're barking at the wrong tree, pal, 455 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:36.640 Yes, you know, but it's I think it's the people that he surrounds 456 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.440 himself with, his production team, you know, Nicholas Ganda, can Cal 457 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.640 Sarah Green. I think a lot of those people have a big thing to 458 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:47.400 do with it because they're all Jeff Nichols, I mean, you know, 459 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.559 her and Sarah Green, Him and Sarah Green. Excuse me, uh, 460 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:56.119 you know they make incredible films too, with incredible cast we'll be right back 461 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:04.359 after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. But 462 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:10.039 I think it is just the fact that he offers such a different kind of 463 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.960 theme park that it's these actors want to come and ride those rides because they've 464 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.279 never ridden any they've never seen a theme park like this before. And I 465 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.680 think the freedom and also the challenge. I think he's the only person who 466 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:29.480 has the mental finish line in his head that that allows them, again, 467 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.319 such a safety net to come and fail, be courageous, make mistakes, 468 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.680 and be brilliant. And I think mister Malix provides such a platform for that 469 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:44.559 that that's the allure of anybody. I mean, to show up on set 470 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.200 and have a little inkling of your character but still not knowing what you're doing, 471 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.559 but knowing that you're working with Natalie Portman across from you. Like, 472 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.079 that's that's fun, man, That's that's about it. It's terrifying, but 473 00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:03.799 yet fun. And Teren's fine. It's terrance that joke one six are coming 474 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.400 out, so stay tuned. I appreciate that. So when you're producing, 475 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.839 man, how do you pick your projects? I mean, I'm assuming you 476 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.880 get bombarded, especially after your track record that you get bombarded with people going, 477 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.480 hey, can I make a movie? I want you to produce my 478 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.240 movie. What's in a story or in a project that makes you go that's 479 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.240 it? Yeah, man, I'm the worst producer on the planet for the 480 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.680 simple reason that I have my own projects, Like we have our own slate 481 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.480 of films. I'm still trying to like I'm trying to get this Christmas movie 482 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.359 off the ground that I intend to direct, and I've been trying to do 483 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.400 it for so long, but all these other things keep coming in where it's 484 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:41.160 like, when it's your project, You're like, I can get to that 485 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.079 anytime. Let me go run off and do this or whatever. I've been 486 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.599 very fortunate and just you know, I don't have any representation. I don't 487 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.440 have people working for me or you know, I get a lot of emails 488 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.440 of people wanting stuff for me because they assume I can do something for them. 489 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.920 But I'm so out just trying to make my way in the world today 490 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.640 that I don't fund movies, you know. The little bit of funny. 491 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.720 I just did a bone, Thugs and Harmony documentary with my director Tim Newfing, 492 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.759 but that was the only in house project we've really done since Hellyan, 493 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:17.200 which was the twenty thirteen So it's hard to say, man, But I'd 494 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.839 love to talk about producing and help producing. But I think these movies just 495 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.400 kind of fell into my lap due to the circumstances of what I was working 496 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.559 for. So it assumes like I'm out there just producing a lot of stuff. 497 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.640 I'm really out there, man, I'm writing, I'm grinding, I'm 498 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.200 acting, I'm trying to get my own stuff off the ground. We have 499 00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:39.839 a great slate of coming out, and really I was so busy making these 500 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:45.160 films up until about the end of twenty sixteen, and I'd always had this 501 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:52.039 dream to do a festival in Mammoth, and funny enough, there used to 502 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.480 be the Mammoth Film Festival in two thousand and eight, and that was the 503 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.759 first film festival I ever went to. And you know, cut to ten 504 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:07.200 years later. I've competed in everything from Sundance to Berlin to Venice to tiff 505 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.240 I've competed in probably the top eight of the ten film festivals in the world, 506 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.119 but my very first one ever was Mammoth Film Festival, which they stopped 507 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.880 doing about twenty ten, and then I think it kind of was going on 508 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.119 during eleven and twelve, but they weren't really having a film festival, so 509 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.559 I'd always just kept my eye on and I tried to take it over in 510 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.759 twenty ten. But at that time I was like did you couldn't even there 511 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.440 wasn't even airport and Mammoth you could be like fly into commercial. So much 512 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.039 has changed, Mammoth has grown to where I'm glad I got to go off 513 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.240 and build my career up a little bit where I could come in and have 514 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.319 a little bit more knowledge and like we bring in great panel discussion people because 515 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.160 I've met them in film festivals from all over the world. So the festival 516 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.759 world's been my life, you know. Even I remember the one of the 517 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.400 coolest film festivals ever had was south By Southwest, I believe in twenty seventeen, 518 00:33:53.400 --> 00:34:00.160 where we had the opening night movie with Gosling's Song to Song. And 519 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.839 then I had a movie that I produced in Baltimore called Silvio, and then 520 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.719 I had acted in a film that we shot there in Austin, and I 521 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.960 was just like, dude, I've got a movie that produced, got a 522 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.199 movie that I've produced and acted in, And then I got a movie that 523 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.440 I just acted in All here at South by All premiering. This is probably 524 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.679 like the highlight of my life. So I took that standpoint and said, 525 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.679 you know what, this is pretty cool. Things are going well, I 526 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.400 think it's time to go and try to build Mammoth Film Festival because I just 527 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.559 acquired the name in twenty sixteen. So I grabbed Theo Dumont, who's a 528 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.920 friend of ours. Yes, by the way, THEO also is Spike Lee's 529 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.360 publicist. Yes, goodnight a couple of years ago or a couple of years 530 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:45.880 ago, jeez, a couple of days ago. There's recording. Did you 531 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.360 see the picture of him holding the oscar? Yeah, it's awesome, awesome. 532 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.239 So, Holly Schwortz is, you know, probably arguably the largest short 533 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.400 film festival in the nation. They do like ten days of shorts. Incredible, 534 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.519 But that's all Theo Dumont, who's a co found of Mammoth Film Festival. 535 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.960 So I grabbed Theo and I was like, hey, man, I 536 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.760 really want to make this festival in Mammoth. I kind of have the name 537 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.840 Mammoth Film Festival, nobody else can use it. Let's take a trip down 538 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.800 there in January twenty seventeen and go check it out, see if we could 539 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.719 do something down there. And we grabbed Tomic Minsuri, who is oh I 540 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.480 was also doing a film with called Riptide. They got pushed and I think 541 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.280 that was another thing. We were doing this movie with Beal Kilmer called Riptide, 542 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.000 and he had some medical issues that held the movie up, and so 543 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.039 we decided, well, let's not let's stay proactive, let's go do this 544 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.599 film festival thing. This is a sheer sign of like it's time to take 545 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.920 a step back before you could take a leap forward. So we went out 546 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.440 to Mammoth and literally by the time we got out here in January twenty seventeen, 547 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.920 we left a couple days later. You know, can we do a 548 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.440 film festival out here to We need to pick a date. That's kind of 549 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.280 how excited some of the people that we were talking to were about it. 550 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.440 And with you know, THEO having his experience, you know, me being 551 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:06.840 kind of a film festival rat, and then Tomic with his you know work 552 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:12.400 at events and coordination and overall design, it was kind of a dream team. 553 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.719 And then we brought on other people like Alexandra Chando, who's a great 554 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.320 actress who's you know, has had her own television shows and everything else. 555 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.280 Excuse me. Dylan Efron, who's one of my best friends, Zach's brother, 556 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.440 came on board. Nicole Castro so kind of started to develop this dream 557 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:36.039 team. But it really was like filmmaker, like a filmmaker festival by filmmakers. 558 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.519 Everybody has like ties into the industry, which was really exciting. So 559 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.079 it's kind of stopped producing, stopped making movies, and really started to concentrate 560 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:51.840 on Mammoth, which was hard for me because twenty seventeen was the first year 561 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.880 I never acted in a film. I had acted up into in something every 562 00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:00.119 single year from the year I moved out to lay seventeen, so I was 563 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.079 like, damn man, like this is the first year I can't call myself 564 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.400 an actor, which is like what my overall passion led me to do. 565 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.239 Like I hate the acting industry, not not being able to have control of 566 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.119 your career. So I think that's why I started, you know, making 567 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.159 films and doing other stuff, but then those became far more lucrative where it 568 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.440 just kind of like left my love and the dust, you know. But 569 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.000 for me mentally, I don't have to say I'm an actor. I don't 570 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.519 need to go out and tell people that. I just know that that's what 571 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.440 drives me, you know what I mean. Sure, that was the first 572 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.280 year i'd never acted anything, because we were building, you know, this 573 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.480 festival. We're kind of building like a six lane street and like a town 574 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.760 of shacks at the moment, you know what I mean. It's kind of 575 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.760 how I feel with this festival. But if we don't build this six lane 576 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.000 street in ten years, you know, won't be able to facilitate. So 577 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.239 we started off big and ambitious and everything else. But with a name like 578 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.760 Mammoth, you're not gonna do anything small, right, So I hope to 579 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:55.800 get back into some movies. Like I said, we have a Christmas movie 580 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.880 we're trying to do. But I think if I take even like another year 581 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.639 off and just really concentrate on building this solid foundation, there's no telling how 582 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.599 high this building could be, you know, No, Oh, without question, 583 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.039 I think the again my experience with Mammoth, I mean, this is 584 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.320 the second year, and I remember I remember THEO and them telling me about 585 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.039 the first year, and it was an insane launch, like it was the 586 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.280 biggest first year ever for a film festival. You showed up, You showed 587 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.400 up. Who Yeah, you showed up big. I mean you guys came 588 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.440 with the guns of blaring. And then this year too, when I was 589 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.400 there, I was like, this is a second year. I mean I've 590 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.880 been to hundreds of festivals in my life, and I'm like, this is 591 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.119 a second year festival. Like this is insane, Like you know, yeah, 592 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.159 I know, You've got amazing talent, you had amazing stars around, 593 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.840 you had great films, you know, and the only thing you could equate 594 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.599 it to is like a mini Sundance, Like it's the only thing you could 595 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.239 equate it to. If anyone who's been to Sundance and been to Park City, 596 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:58.280 you're like, oh, I can smell that same thing happening here, 597 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.639 and I can see ten years down the line or even faster, this turning 598 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.639 into a really serious, you know, one of those big, top tier 599 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.840 festivals, without question. It's got the potential to do it without without question. 600 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.880 Also, I think during the timing that it's in, it's you know, 601 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.679 it's right after Sundance. So some people are like, I just went 602 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.719 to the cold. I don't need to go back to the cold. But 603 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.840 also you know, Sundance is getting up there in age, and I would 604 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.000 never disrespect Sundance in any form or fashion. But I think a lot of 605 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:31.760 people have been to Sundance, you know what I mean. I think a 606 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.440 lot of people have been, like, ohyah, I've been like three or 607 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.360 four times. Yeah, but not a lot of people. You know. 608 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.559 It's kind of like we're just offering kind of another alternative. And right now, 609 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.639 there's so many fantastic movies that don't make it into Sundance and sometimes won't 610 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.159 make it into south By because everybody kind of banks on that Sundance check, 611 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.519 you know what I mean. We'll be right back after a word from our 612 00:39:53.559 --> 00:40:02.079 sponsor and now back to the show. So what's been kind of great? 613 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.000 And I think the reason we've had so many world premieres is it's very difficult 614 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.800 to pull off a festival in February because you have to start planning damn near 615 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.000 in September, because you got to go through Halloween break, you got to 616 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.280 go through Thanksgiving break. You like, it's all through the holidays. You 617 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.679 got to like it's like your gears are turning. Then just the machine shuts 618 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.320 off and it takes like several minutes for that machine to get cranking again and 619 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.039 then move it shuts off because it's Thanksgiving. So you know, it's it's 620 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.880 taxing to do the festival in February, but at the same time, when 621 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.920 February rolls around, it's a great timing for people to like have a little 622 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:38.679 bit of time to go and stuff like that. I know, there's a 623 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.960 little bit of pilot season and award season and stuff like that. This year 624 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:47.159 was kind of interesting because Sunday It's went a week late, Lynn went a 625 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.880 week early, and then the Grammys magically showed up during our festival. Were 626 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.480 last year. The only thing that impeded our festival was the Olympics, which 627 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.360 we had Olympic parties and we watched them here in Mammoth. Hell have town, 628 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.280 you know, practice here. The Olympic team practice here in Mammoth. 629 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.239 So it was kind of like we embraced it, you know, as part 630 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.519 of our festival last year. But there was no you know, Sundance was 631 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:14.800 still back in January where it's supposed to be. They weren't coming into February. 632 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:16.840 But we do, you know, we are We do like this time 633 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.440 of the year. We do like this event, and I think, like 634 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.280 I said, it's hopefully going to be if you didn't get into Sundance, 635 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.800 maybe you got into too Mammoth because we are offering like a marketplace here with 636 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.719 so many great companies, which I'm sure you got to you know, meet 637 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.280 a lot of but you know, Scott, so many people. Paper Chased 638 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.320 Films was here looking at movies. Spotlight Pictures was here looking at movies. 639 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.920 Lionsgate was here looking at films. So the fact that you can now hopefully 640 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.559 by year twenty twenty, come here to know if your movie got accepted as 641 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.360 a world premiere, or even not a world premiere, just a movie without 642 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.199 distribution you can get bought and sold at Mammoth Film Festival. That's going to 643 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.960 be the game changer for us because as me as a filmmaker, I know 644 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:02.159 that would make a huge difference. If I can go and you know dunk 645 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.519 Au, Indiana, that's fantastic. But if nobody's going to play my or 646 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.679 buy my film, it's just just some people watching it, and that's cool, 647 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.039 it's great, and so what this industry needs to continue to have. 648 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.760 But like also it's a business. You know, I want to get my 649 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.440 stuff bought and sol. I want everybody to see it, not just you 650 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.960 know, eighty people in a film festival. Are you are you going to 651 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.599 start doing? Are you going to try to do kind of a like Tiff 652 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.480 does with like a little mini market. We started it this year. It 653 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.519 was more of like kind of the they had the outside looking in. There's 654 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.800 not like a physical room that we're we're establishing yet, but I think already 655 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.599 going into next year, a lot of the people that speak on our panels 656 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.800 will also be there, you know, having meetings, you know, like 657 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.480 trying to work, you know, kind of like Cans does, where everybody 658 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.880 just goes and sits on the beach and talks movies and you know, next 659 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.199 team. So that's why I want to create here. But also can goes 660 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.920 on for several days and there's so many things going on. There's so many 661 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.519 people there, you don't feel like you're missing out. Mammoth is so tight 662 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.400 knit and small that like, if we schedule something at two o'clock, I 663 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.920 don't want people to go miss the world premiere of a film that we're having 664 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:13.159 to show at two o'clock that maybe should be shown at seven, so everybody 665 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.280 could see it. So I don't want to south by southwestest and just spread 666 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.519 us out and just other chaos. But I do want to have it like 667 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.599 controlled areas where like everybody films like they can go and catch at least ninety 668 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.440 percent of everything at our festival. So keep me old and condensed. I 669 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.280 don't want to get too big for our bridges too fast. But I wish 670 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.960 i'd have said that year one, because we kind of heard it. We 671 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.119 started off way too big, you know, like never change it, you 672 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.840 know, that's that's awesome. Man. Now, I wanted to ask you, 673 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.000 just from your point of view, what do you think the future is 674 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:51.440 for independent media moving forward, independent films and dependent series and dependent things, 675 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.039 because the landscape is changing so much, and i'd love to hear your perspective 676 00:43:55.079 --> 00:44:04.920 on it. It's going to struggle, you know, But I don't mean 677 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.559 that in like a way that it's like we should be fearful of it. 678 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.639 Let me see, let me take that back. It's going to have to 679 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.519 pivot a little bit and be it's kind of I think it'll tear off where 680 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.519 it's like you have indie film and it'll have its own world, and that 681 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.880 world will eventually have its own walls around it because right now, so many 682 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.920 people don't really go to the movie theater, which means everything you're watching is 683 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:34.119 on your television or on your devices. And I'm very guilty of that too. 684 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.400 I have such a fast paced life. I try to catch stuff when 685 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:37.199 I can, But when I do go to the theater, I'm like, 686 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.239 oh yeah, I love going to the movie theater six times a year for 687 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.960 me, you know what I mean. Here, I wish it was twelve. 688 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.960 I wish it was thirty, you know, but just at the end 689 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.800 of the day, the older you get, that's harder to get to the 690 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.320 theater. But I think that's why film festivals, why there's so many of 691 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:59.480 them, but why they're also so important, is because it is that, 692 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.480 uh you know, it's to say it's a it's a rock concert. Man. 693 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.199 It's like I can listen to Led Zeppelin all the time, but when 694 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.320 I hear they're having a real life performance, I'm gonna do whatever I can 695 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:13.559 to go, you know. So kind of the same thing with film festivals. 696 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.920 It's like, oh, yeah, I can watch this on my TV, 697 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.440 but I can go watch it in the theater with the people that made 698 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.679 it, and the actors that are gonna be there, you know what I 699 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.079 mean, I could talk to them afterwards. I can't talk to, you 700 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:29.679 know, Josh Damal after watching his you know movie Buddy Games on Netflix or 701 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:30.679 whatever. It's not like I can call him up and be like, hey 702 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:37.639 man, that third scene, like where'd you shoot that? Exactly? There's 703 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.559 there's there's definitely something very unique about the film festival experience. And that was 704 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.360 the other thing real quick, that the access that you get to all of 705 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:52.920 these celebrities and producers is unprecedented. Like it's Sundance, these people are ushered 706 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.760 in and ushered out and the riff raff will never be able to contact them. 707 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.079 But at mammoth Man, you just you have hang out at the same 708 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.400 party, the same everything, and there's no at least at this point in 709 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.159 the game, it's still very open to access to them. I'm sitting there 710 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.920 talking to producers and talking to actors and things that would never happen at Sundance, 711 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.000 like you would have to sneak into a specific kind of party. Sure, 712 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.840 well, we want to grow obviously, but we also I appreciate you 713 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.840 seeing that because that's something that we're definitely striving to do is if you're at 714 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:28.480 this festival, if you're at the Mammoth Film Festival, we want you to 715 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.880 know that you're standing shoulder to shoulder with everybody else as equals when you're there, 716 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.199 you know what I mean, Like that's that's a really cool philosophy, 717 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.599 you know. And if you do come to just see the stars or just 718 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:43.159 see you know, a certain movie, or just try to come and get 719 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.760 an autograph, that's okay too. It doesn't mean like you know, you're 720 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.599 not you can't be a part of this person. But that's why we think 721 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.320 we try to do a little bit of both. We have these kind of 722 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.519 they're not networking events, they're just simple festival parties, like we did the 723 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:59.400 Tipsy Elves eighty Ski Lodge party. Yes, that's something due to the nature 724 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.840 of our location, would be very fun but also like a good time to 725 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.039 be Like, man, I went to a party with you know, Logan 726 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.679 Paul, or I went to a party with you know so, and so 727 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.159 it doesn't matter because the next day you'll probably see you know, Jessica Alba 728 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.360 like on your ski lift, you know, going up there, and then 729 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.880 you'll see her at the world premiere of whatever, showing at seven o'clock that 730 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.119 night. So, but that was kind of my experience my first time going 731 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.159 to sun Dance is is I got to you know, I got to like 732 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.599 literally see Jessica Alba like snowboard pass me my first time. I'm trying to 733 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:31.800 like learn how to snowboard and stuff and like that was several years ago now, 734 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:35.119 but ten years ago, I was like, that was a really cool 735 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.360 moment. I'm like, I want to bring that to Mammoth, you know, 736 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.880 I want to bring this kind of accessibility. But at the same time, 737 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.519 you're right, we do have to kind of be a little somewhat cautious 738 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.199 and try to get people in and out. And also they're they're here to 739 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.880 to see their movies and do specific press and you got to get them there 740 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.119 and you can't can't be an autograph session or something like that. But but 741 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.000 I will see it. By the way, I didn't see any of that 742 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.599 was I mean, it was all very respectful and nobody like, you know, 743 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.840 for you to like have to fly up set up shop in Mammoth for 744 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.559 an autograph, You've got a lot, you got you need some more things 745 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.760 in your life. Did you right. I mean if I'm like flying up 746 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.159 like that, I mean I saw the way that the mall got maulled and 747 00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.119 Jennifer Morrison. People love Lamar and Morris, who was out here. A 748 00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.480 lot of people were like, should I go take a picture, And I'm 749 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.719 like, I'm not the picture police. If you want, he's right there, 750 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.239 we'll talk to them. I don't know what to do exactly. It 751 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:32.280 was pretty we I don't know if you get to go to The Mammoth Media 752 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:36.760 Institute is kind of like our our five oh one C three. It's what 753 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.039 kind of houses the film festival and our Film Summit, which is our film 754 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:45.480 education program, our interactive panel discussion. But as a five oh one C 755 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.760 three, we try to like do fundraisers and whatnot so we can do things 756 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:53.039 like the Mammoth Film Festival. But we have a really cool bowling tournament. 757 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.679 I don't know if you get tell oh I came to it. It's the 758 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.119 Celebrity Charity Bowling Tournament. And last year was our first one and it was 759 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.599 a blast. But what we did learn is like we just allowed too many 760 00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:07.800 cameras everywhere because we wanted everybody to capture it was our first one. This 761 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.239 year, we really tried to structure it more so like more of a contest, 762 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.559 you know, like last year it was more kind of a freefra all 763 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.400 like who won, I don't know, it doesn't matter, We'll having fun. 764 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.679 This year was like no Team one versus Team too, you know. 765 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.320 It was like kind of a big deal. But it got really heated inside 766 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.199 of the octagon, if you will. Yeah, and we had you know, 767 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.280 stadium seating on the seats and just found got a lot more involved in 768 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.840 that. But that's another thing. If you did happen to go to a 769 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.320 panel and you might have missed seeing somebody that you wanted to see on the 770 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.639 red carpet or seeing their film or something like that. At least with the 771 00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.960 with the bowling opportunity, if you come to that, you know, you 772 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.199 get a chance to kind of see everybody condensed, you know, where you're 773 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.079 not bowling with them. It's a it's a tournament for the you know, 774 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:59.119 for the charity. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor and 775 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:04.119 now back to the show. But it's really cool to say, oh man, 776 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.440 I miss getting to see so and so on the red carpet. But 777 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:07.800 it's really cool. I get to see him. I'm three feet away from 778 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.639 them now and they're bowling. How much more fun is this? So that's 779 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.360 something that isn't film related, but it is film related with the people. 780 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.519 We try to cherry pick the players from people who have movies, you know, 781 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.119 in the festival and stuff like that. So it's it's become a lot 782 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.159 of fun. But I think even next year the bowling tournament is going to 783 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:30.400 be really intense and with some heavy hitters. I think we're doing a golf 784 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.360 tournament fund raiser this year. So I don't know how you're going to golf 785 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.480 in Mammoth this time of year at least, no, not this time of 786 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.719 year. This will be in June. But Mammoth Lakes does have a beautiful, 787 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.360 god too beautiful golf courses here, and so we're gonna have some fun 788 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.079 nice doing that and stuff. So let me ask you a question, and 789 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.199 in regards to your what you wish it would have happened when you were younger, 790 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.559 what do you wish someone would have told you at the beginning of your 791 00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.599 career. I think people did tell me that. I think people told me 792 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.440 to be patient, you know, like it's I'm not a race. It 793 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:09.880 sounds so stupid, but I'm actually I don't know what would have been any 794 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.079 better than what I'm getting to do right now. I mean, I'm so 795 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.840 fortunate too. I mean, I don't forget where I came from. I'm 796 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:20.239 a small town kid from West Texas, man, you know, I mean 797 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.559 idolizing people like Powers Booth and Barry Tubb and Patrick Malone, Kevin Alejandra that 798 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:29.280 left Snyder and became like kind of you know, bigger name actors and stuff. 799 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:31.440 And I was like, that's cool. They showed me just simply getting 800 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:38.400 out of something that isn't How do I put this gracefully? Something that doesn't 801 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:43.400 you know, that isn't necessarily like your dream or your ambition of your location 802 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.280 like going and do that. I feel like I'm really getting to do that 803 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.079 and what's tough. But something I wouldn't change is I kind of get to 804 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:52.239 do it on my own terms. Not to say that I don't wish I 805 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:58.280 had like a badass agent at CAAA that was like getting me Marvel auditions or 806 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.519 something like that. Like, of course, like I'm not that stupid, 807 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.320 But at the same time, there's a there's a huge gratitude that comes from 808 00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:08.239 doing it yourself, which I think you're one to speak on that. I 809 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.800 think Darius Is want to speak on that. And when you do it yourself 810 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.360 long enough, like eventually people just assume that you didn't do it yourself and 811 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:19.119 they want to come. They want you to come play on you know, 812 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.599 on their playground too. And I think I've had a lot of that. 813 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.000 So just man, just all the next thing. You know, like ten 814 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.960 years went by, but you feel like you haven't accomplished much. And then 815 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.679 you look at some of your accolades and you're like, damn, Actually, 816 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:36.719 if you'd have told me at twelve, I'd have gotten to do this. 817 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.199 Or like I have an office inside of a movie theater right now with some 818 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.480 great guys like Brian Hammer's and Oak Boundary and Flashboxic. We're all in there 819 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.440 together and we all do the film festival together. And I'm like, guys, 820 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.920 do you realize that we have a in office a top of movie theater. 821 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.760 Like if you'd told me this when I was like fifteen, I would 822 00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.199 have been like life is going to be just dandy. But also, man, 823 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.400 you know, I've been out in LA for fifteen years. I would 824 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:05.639 hope that I have a smile on my face at this point, you know, 825 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.000 because some people don't. And so I'm just really grateful. But I'm 826 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:12.280 damn sure not done. And we were damn sure ain't plugging away and trying 827 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.679 to you know, take over the world. Right But it's cool right now? 828 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.760 Now? What is next up? What's up next up? For you? 829 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.320 Well, we are we have a movie called Just Be Clause, and 830 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:28.159 I think we were gonna there's so much snow on the ground that we're kind 831 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.880 of teetering of like do we actually try to go ahead and take this into 832 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:36.800 pre production, Like can we shoot this somewhere in May to look like early 833 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.599 early December, or do we just wait until next Oh? Yeah, because 834 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.039 there's so much there's so much stuff going on otherwise. I mean there's I 835 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.039 have like eleven projects and the works and stuff. Awesome, dude, all 836 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.719 of them are just like waiting for the like the green light to go. 837 00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.000 You know. We have a comic book that we just did, a graphic 838 00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.280 novel called in the Name of the Gun that we're trying to turn into a 839 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.079 series, but we just wanted to own both ips and it's really fun, 840 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.800 man. We want to go out and shoot it in Spain. I'd love 841 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.119 for like the l Ray Network to pick it up or something like that. 842 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.440 So we'd love to you know, I'm going to talk to ASA about talking 843 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.079 to Robert about that. You have the Chris movie. We have a video 844 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:22.079 game that we're pitching. There's I mean of stuff. There's all sorts of 845 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.800 stuff, man, But it's the things that are doing right now. Actually, 846 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.519 I mean, if I could plug anything, there's a great film. 847 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.000 I don't know if you got to meet Kyle Tequila who was yes, yes 848 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:37.000 I did uh and Jared Einsten. Both those guys are now board members of 849 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.679 the Mammoth Film Festival. But they did a movie this year together with their 850 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.920 I think it's the first collaboration with their company, Common Enemy, that starred 851 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:51.719 Alexander Dario, Johnny Knoxville and some just some great actors. Kean Johnson. 852 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:55.079 That was just it's in Alita right now. And your old pal Tanner Beard 853 00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.039 got to finally like like not play a bad guy in something. But but 854 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.239 again, you know, great connections of Mammoth Film Festival going off and spurring 855 00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.639 other things. This movie called We Summon the Darkness I think was a big 856 00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:13.639 contribution, you know, to some some collaborations that happened at Mammoth Film Festival. 857 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.159 But that should be out either later this year or early twenty twenty. 858 00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.320 But really awesome film and I'm very excited about that. We shout it up 859 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:23.800 in Canada. Cool was a really cool deal. But Kyle and those guys 860 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.519 are just the best and they're killing it so well. I want to ask 861 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.320 you a few questions to ask all my guests. Yeah, what advice would 862 00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:34.800 you give a filmmaker wanting to break into the business today, Find a good 863 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.000 core group of people that are like minded and just start working with them. 864 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.519 Some may get weeded out as you go along, but if you have five, 865 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.840 you know, men or women that you want to work with, just 866 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.519 go off and start shooting little shorts, little things. Hell, you can 867 00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.000 do so much on your iPhone these days. That's you have an outlet on 868 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.800 Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, even if you can get one of these, 869 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:59.559 that's what that's what it's all about. But find that core group of people 870 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.760 because you will probably wind up working with them for the rest of your life. 871 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.119 Can you tell me what book had the biggest impact on your life or 872 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:14.159 career, the Bible. Yeah, I knew, you know, I knew 873 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.760 you were going to be trouble. Knew you were going to be you know. 874 00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.760 I will say, as a product of being a stubborn cowboy in West 875 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.679 Texas, I didn't read a lot of books. What I will say, 876 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:29.760 the biggest impact of my life was another stubborn cowboy who didn't read a lot 877 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:34.400 of books played Wolfman in Top Gun. A gentleman named Barry Tubb. He 878 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.760 did a movie when in my hometown in Snyder, Texas, when I was 879 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.440 sixteen years old, and allowed me to come and be on that film set, 880 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:47.000 which housed Julia Roberts, Bruce Willis, Natalie Mains from the Dixie Chicks, 881 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.000 Joey, Lauren Adams, Emma Roberts. What movie was this? It 882 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.079 was called Grand Champion. Oh yeah, I remember that movie. Yeah, 883 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:58.039 yeah, yeah, it's Grand Champion. Essentially was like Free Willie, but 884 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.800 a boy and his cow in West Texas. But for me it was my 885 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.440 film school and I got to have it at sixteen. And the fact that 886 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:10.400 this gentleman very tub allowed me to come and be, you know, not 887 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.920 only on his set as a kind of a you know, a gopher. 888 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.559 But eventually, like he would, you know, I was just there for 889 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:21.159 access and I just got my driver's license. So he's like, Tanner, 890 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.920 take Julia over to the coliseum. You know. It was like okay, 891 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.079 so you're driving around Julia Roberts like Miss Daisy style and you're like, soh 892 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:34.480 howse things? And I'm like sixteen. But to get that engagement, like 893 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.199 you just that's when he caught the bug. And to get to sit and 894 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.320 watch thirty five you know, thirty five millimeter being and like my job became 895 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.280 a cable ranglinger, like when they're doing the Dolly. I had the cord, 896 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.119 you know, to the monitors, so like I learned how to wrangle 897 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:51.000 chord, and like I took it so serious, man, because like I 898 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.199 didn't want to get fired, you know. Fied that was to say that 899 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.000 was in like a little like five thousand dollars independent movie. You were on 900 00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:00.000 the se some big players three five million dollar movie or something like that. 901 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.079 And then just the people that would come by. I remember, like they'd 902 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.400 be like ten or you need to go escort George straight from you know, 903 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.000 this room to that room because there was just nobody there and I'm like the 904 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:13.239 stuff that I got to do so young and like trusted in made you kind 905 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.760 of grow up in the business. And also Danny Motor who's Julia Roberts husband 906 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.199 now, he really kind of took me under his wing and showed me a 907 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.639 lot of stuff about cameras and learned a lot. Yeah, he was the 908 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.440 assistant camera cameraman. He was he was the DPH. He had just come 909 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.840 off of the Mexican with Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts. I think that's where 910 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:35.039 they met, and then he was recommended to be the DP on this movie. 911 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.880 I think it was his first DP job actually, But like just getting 912 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.039 to learn about panavision and seeing film even though we don't use it today, 913 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.960 it was like I feel very grateful for getting to see that. Where if 914 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.039 I was ten years younger right now, nobody would have the luxury of getting 915 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:57.239 to hear the checking just money, just money, money going a dollar dollar 916 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.400 a flash or But for me, that was kind of my film school, 917 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.000 you know, I saw people just doing it and like just it's kind of 918 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:07.599 like when you go to an NBA game for the first time you see them 919 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:12.599 on TV. Then you're like, this is just people playing basketball, like 920 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.920 it's just at a very high level. You know, yeah, it's yeah. 921 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.039 But at the end they were like, these are just huge dudes playing 922 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.000 basketball. Well, like wow, this is you know, it's like just 923 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.199 the realization of you can do it too. You know, I think, 924 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.199 is what what that? What that kind of man was? So now, 925 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:30.159 what is the lesson that took you the longest to learn, whether in the 926 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:36.079 film business or in life. Patience, man, because you know you want 927 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.360 it now right now. You know, back when I was just doing acting, 928 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.400 it's like if you didn't get an audition, you know, it was 929 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.079 like the end of the world. When you're twenty two and you walk DSi, 930 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.760 New York and you're like, god, man, that guy only said 931 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:55.519 four fing lines and I didn't get it. I'm not good enough for the 932 00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:05.320 four lines. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and 933 01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:09.119 now back to the show. Like who you got to Hard Weinstein in this 934 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:15.280 business? Wow, he's become an adjective. Jeezus, all right, rise, 935 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:20.000 he's becoming adjutive. Man. It was like it just was everything was 936 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.559 like so life or death, especially like when you're out there, you know, 937 01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:25.079 you know you're trying to find a job. Hell, man, I 938 01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.039 had a new job every week just because I didn't want to have a job, 939 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.000 because I wanted my job to be acting full time. But it was 940 01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:35.159 awesome. I'm like, Okay, well now I'm a taste tester for Burger 941 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.639 King for twenty bucks so I can put gas in my car to go to 942 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.119 the next thing, you know what I mean. And then luckily, as 943 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.800 time went by, you were able to start garnering more money. And I 944 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.039 feel very grateful and stuff for everything I have now. But you know, 945 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.199 it's just the grind at the time. Like I guess, just if you 946 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.840 can just know that, like you're in this business for a long long time, 947 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.480 and I see friends of mine that have been like been in huge franchises 948 01:00:57.559 --> 01:00:59.840 and then like you know, four or five years years later go by, 949 01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:01.920 like they're back to auditioning and stuff like that. So you know, it's 950 01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:05.400 it's we all. We have this great team of people. Again. The 951 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.800 best of the place I could give is grab yourself a great group of people 952 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.679 and allow them to be like minded, you know, friends of yours, 953 01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.760 and because you're gonna help each other throughout the years. I mean absolutely, 954 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.519 man, my friends Uh, you know, they support me and everything I 955 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.599 do. I try to support them and everything they do. We we exchange 956 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.760 stories, we exchange triumphs, you know, we exchange victories and sadness. 957 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.639 And it's a it's a family that you have to build because it's such an 958 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.559 independent and very lonely industry if you allow it to be. But it can 959 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:36.679 also be the opposite, if you find a family. You know. Very 960 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.360 cool. Now, the toughest question of all three of your favorite films of 961 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:44.239 all time? Tombstone great movie. God, it is my favorite movie of 962 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.119 all time. I love Tombstone. Man, Val Kilmer, Why didn't he 963 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.559 get into an oscar for that? It's just bad time. It came out 964 01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:57.159 in like December. Yeah, it's just bad timing. Yeah, but absolutely 965 01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.280 the one of the best performances ever put on film, and everybody says that 966 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:05.920 to this day. Oh no, Jack was at the film festival, his 967 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.679 son. I always want to go up and say something to him about Tombstone, 968 01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:15.039 but I got to keep it cool. But that one was definitely my 969 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:19.960 favorite movie. Brave Heart is another one of my favorite films. And you 970 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.599 know, man, it used to be Gladiators number three. But when I 971 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:30.199 really break it down. No Country for Old Men, wallless film. It's 972 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.800 perfection, such a you know, there's not a there's there's no music in 973 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.199 that entire movie except there's a little bit of a little bit of ominous tone 974 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:42.840 when we first see Javier Bordim's character get like get out of the car. 975 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.920 There's a little bit of ominous tone and not one stitch of music for the 976 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:51.159 rest of that movie. Can you believe that it's so well flawless film? 977 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.360 It is? It is the is the Cohen's at there at the height, 978 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:59.679 I mean, I mean they're just and Josh Brolin was all of them, 979 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.000 I mean just And they shot it in kind of my old stomping grounds in 980 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.800 West Texas out there. I'm about four hours from Marfa, but that's where 981 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.599 they kind of shot that stuff. Awesome. Now, where can people find 982 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:16.440 you and and the work you're doing? Yes, I'm at brad Pitt So 983 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.920 yeah, well, you know, I got I would rather plug. I'm 984 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.400 terrible on social media, but I do have Instagram. It's at Tanner Beard. 985 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:27.760 Everybody gets mad because I don't follow them, because I only followed Mammoth 986 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.400 Film Festival and Silver Sell Entertainment and everybody's look, dude, kid follow me? 987 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.599 Do I follow you? I'm like, I look, did stuff? 988 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:36.119 I got things to do, man, I don't got time to follow. 989 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.519 It's not even that. I'm I'm more on Twitter if anything. So at 990 01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:45.440 Tanner Beard on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and the whole nine. But really 991 01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:52.079 it's it's at Mammoth Film Festival on Instagram, at MAMMOTHFF on Twitter, and 992 01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:58.880 I believe it's at Mammoth theftf on Facebook. So and then Silver Silver Sell 993 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:01.920 Entertainment's another plug. So man, Tanner, it has been a pleasure talking 994 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.800 to you, brother, It really has been congratulation all your success and I 995 01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:09.800 look forward to h to hanging out it Mammoth many many years to come. 996 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:12.679 Absolutely well, Alex, thanks for letting me talk your ear off because I 997 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.920 get really excited and I just ram belong from story to story. So I 998 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.280 appreciate you listening to me. Thank you, brother, I appreciate it all 999 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:21.519 right, man, have a good one. I like to thank Tanner again 1000 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:26.639 for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge bombs with the tribe today. 1001 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.639 Thank you so so much, Tanner, And if you guys want to check 1002 01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.119 out anything we talked about, in this episode, Please head over to Bulletproof 1003 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.920 Screenwriting dot TV forward slash three to sixty four. Thank you so much for 1004 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:40.599 listening to guys. As always, keep on writing no matter what. I'll 1005 01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:45.559 talk to you soon. Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast at bulletproof 1006 01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:46.000 Screenwriting dot tv.