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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and now it's time for the Paranormal

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Peep Show. Hello, welcome to
the July edition of the paran or Peep

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Show, where you joined myself,
Neal Ward and also Andy Chaplain. So

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Andy, how are you again?
Yeah? Pretty good? Hey day,

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I'm fine. I've been busy on
the psychic development front, actually, because

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I was telling you about how I've
been doing these demos at the Weymouth Spiritual

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Center and things are kind of getting
interest in there because I remember discussing recently

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how this medium recently brought back someone's
horse, and she said the horse was

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marching up and down the aisle,
which I thought was a bit bizarre and

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strange. I mean, we kind
of had a laugh over that. But

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interestingly enough, I was doing this
reading, I seem to some reason be

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picking up a lot of information about
these two ladies that were friends sitting at

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the front, and I got some
really bizarre things I was picking up.

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I picked up name Ruthless, which
was her nephew, and I started going

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to this background about how someone had
a really major issue at a lake and

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it turned out that one of their
family nearly drowned, and I kind of

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picked up on that, and then
I'll started getting things where I could see

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these hands and fingers in my mind's
eye, and I knew that something medically

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wrong with these hands, but I
wasn't sure what something medical was wrong with

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them. So I said, does
someone in your family have some problem with

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their fingers, either yourself or someone
in your family. I said, I

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can see something wrong with your fingers. I don't know what it is,

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but there's some issue there with the
fingers. And she said, yes,

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my father and my brother, and
they're both deceased, and they were the

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ones that are coming through to me. I think they both had this genetic

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problem in their family where they were
both born with instead of thumbs, they

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were born with like big toes on
their hands, which was really strange.

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Now, I obviously didn't see big
toes in my mind's eye, but I

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just got the feeling there was something
wrong with the fingers in the family,

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and I didn't know what. And
then she confirmed that, yeah, they're

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both born with big toes. So
it went from the father down to the

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sun, these big toes born on
your hand, and she said felt Fortunately

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for her, she wasn't born with
this big toe issue, and obviously it

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wasn't visible to me there that I
picked up on it. But then the

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next thing I got Suddenly, as
I was talking about that, I suddenly

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got this thought someone had someone here
has got a pet snail or had a

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pet snail, and it sounds really
crazy. Oh, come on, who's

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you know? Why am I picking
that up? And the lady next to

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her as her friend, said yeah, I could confirm that I had a

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large African snail. And they're the
huge ones, the banana's hole and these

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huge record breaking African snails. I
remember seeing it on record break as many

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years ago as a kid. But
she confirmed, and then I suddenly got

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the age of it. I said, did it die when it was nine

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years old? Because that's what popped
into my head, and she said yeah,

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she said it died maybe about eight
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I was kind of close to her, and I thought, how bizarre.

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You know. Now, I wasn't
suggesting that that the snail was coming back

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to saying hello everybody here, I
am. I just picked up on the

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fact that she had got a pet
snail in the past. I'm not one

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of those sorts that's going to bring
animals back and they're going to say hello,

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remember me, because I think that's
the well daft. Maybe maybe I'm

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being a bit closed mind on that, but you know, sometimes I have

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to draw a line somewhere. Feelings, it's not the start. You don't

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really get human kind of language being
spoken, being get feeling. Yeah,

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that's right, you get. I
got an emotional connection with most of the

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stuff I was picking up, so
but yeah, I didn't get any kind

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of you know, feelings from a
snail, but it was just a very

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interesting thing to get. So but
yeah, this lady was taking everything,

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everything down to the weirdest stuff.
And sometimes it's the weirdest stuff, like

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having a pet snail can be the
best evidence because not everyone has had a

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pet African snail in their life,
you know. And so yeah, and

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she had it for nine years,
so it's certainly a major part of her

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life. I would say, you
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snow you're put in a matchbox for
a day and it disappears or something.

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So yeah, cool. So what
about your stuff? How is your tuning

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events going? Yeah, very busy
at the moment, so lot tons going

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when it's been another a look and
let's see what we're doing. Going to

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Facebook tuned in events, tune with
the events. We've got a lot of

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things coming up all over really hot
here Essex, North London, beds to

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cheer all over cool. Okay,
we'll stay tuned for that. Everyone on

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tuned in events and if you want
to have a psychic reading, see some

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demos happening and see Andy at work
with his friends, pop along to one

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of the events around the Hartfordshire area. We're also before we move on,

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we're kind of constantly developing what we
do and how we do it. So

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it started off being kind of psychic
ones to one readings and then we bolted

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on demos with that kind of like
immediately actually talking about kind of working an

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audience type demos. We're now also
both boulting on ghosts doors so as well

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as ones ones and medium to the
group, some of our readers actually do

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ghost books and ghosts events and were
apparing or investigatings and that, so some

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of them are going to be retailing
ghost story to various things. I knew

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the public area and think incinity of
para movement, mate, Yeah, that's

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the way cool, cool, excellent, excellent. I love good ghost stories,

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always helpful to getting to help you
get to sleep at night. Right,

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I think it's time to bring in
our guests then some of that I've

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been looking forward to chatting to.
We haven't chatted to him for quite a

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while. In fact, the last
time we chatted to our guests was just

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as the COVID nineteen pandemic was becoming
big time stuff, and so we had

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a chat with him on The Apollo
Detectives, which is another show that Andy

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and I partake with ben Emlyn Jones
and Marcus and the Career if you if

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you're familiar with that show. So
I'd like to welcome back to us on

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the Paranormal Peep Show for a change. Randy Walsh from Canada. Hello,

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Randy, are you there? Yes? How are you? Neil? Andy?

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Oh? Randy heyd that that too
bad? And yes, it's been

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of a four years. Good to
see both of you again. Seems like

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just yesterday, yea, Yeah,
time flies, time flies. Well,

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you've been very very busy, haven't
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first time I suppose to you just
brought out your first book. Yeah,

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because based upon your research of the
Apollo missions, and then not long after

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that you brought out a second book. So I think, I mean,

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we're all going to other areas,
but I think we'd like to start off

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with the Apollo missions. But obviously
you've you've got a history because you're a

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pilot, and so this is an
unusual thing for an Apollo hoax researcher because

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that's obviously what going to be discussing
normally most pilots. But say, of

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course the Apollo missions were real.
You know, I'm a pilot, I

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know what I'm talking about. You
know nothing, but it's kind of a

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turn on that really. So I'd
like to go back to your history though,

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because obviously you were a space fan
as a kid. You born in

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Ireland, ended up in Canada in
the late sixties, just as the Apollo

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missions are really picking up the piece. What was your memory back then of

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the Apollo missions and how did you
then view them? Yeah, very interesting.

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Actually emigrated with my family to Canada
from Dublin, Ireland back in nineteen

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sixty seven. I believe it was
December nineteen sixty seven, so it was

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a good two years before the actual
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of course during that period, the
Apollo missions were ramping up, and you

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know, they were promoting it,
and we were hearing about it in school

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and so forth. And so long
story short, two years later, here

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I am a little nine year old
in grade nine or sorry, no,

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grade no, no nine, grade
five or something. I don't almost like

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four or three or four, something
like that, but anyway, what I

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remember, and it was very interesting, It's very fascinating actually. So we

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were all in school brought down to
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a gymnasium turned into an auditorium,
and it was about five or six hundred

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kids there, and there was this
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and I'm, you know, for
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on, but you know, you
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don't fully understand it as a child, right, So, and I was

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for the launch of Apollo eleven.
So that was my first sort of how

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shall I exposure to a real event
like Apollo eleven, and how can it

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not make an impact on a nine
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it not? And of course from
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became such a space enthusiast for the
next one I would say probably about what

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fifteen twenty years. I believed in
the whole narrative. I bought into it.

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I used to buy the you know, back then, of course,

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for a lot of people who this
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little paper models of the Apollo spacecraft, and of course I was always wearing

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them out and getting new ones,
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Apollo for about fifteen twenty years.
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believing in the official narrative to where
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difference. There is quite a contrast. And I don't I'm speaking to myself,

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but I'm sure other people have.
Many people have had the same experience.

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So yeah, so that's how I
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the Apollo missions. The heroes,
m and you've got an interesting aviation.

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Sorry, Andy, At what point
you can start getting a little bit suspicious?

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I think I think was probably asking
something before that. We'll get into

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that. Yeah, well, actually
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what I can do is lead up
to that. So in my twenties,

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I always, of course having a
love of the space industry. What's the

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next best thing that I could do
that's practical. I was never We're going

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to be an astronut while it's fly
airplanes. And I've always had a lot

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of airplanes, even before actually the
Apollo missions. So when I was old

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enough, had enough money, I
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it, and from there it just
took off, pardon the pun, It

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just took off. And and so
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think it was about another ten years, you know, accumulating experience and then

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upgrading to my commercial pilot's license,
and then from there I added some more

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endorsements, like you know, twin
engine endorsement, and I needed to get

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an instrument rating because an instrument rating
is really imperative if you're going to go

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into this commercially. So by this
time I was in my late thirties and

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something, something very interesting happened one
night. I actually I come home from

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work, switched on the TV as
I usually do, and I was just

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walking back and forth, and I
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was saying. But it happened to
be a documentary on the poly missions,

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and I remember it got my attention
when they were talking about the gravity assist

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or the sling shot around the Moon. And I knew enough about the poly

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missions at that point that they were
talking about Apol thirteen and what they were

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talking about was the explosion in the
oxygen tank which led to an almost disaster

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and they had to use they couldn't
use engine power, they couldn't use the

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service module engine power, so they
had to use gravity assists to get themselves

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back to Earth. And so I
was listening to this and this really caught

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my ear and I now know it
was Jim Lovell, Jim Level Commander,

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Jim Lovell, and he was talking
about how they had to fire the lunar

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module engine when they came around the
dark side of the Moon, and to

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fire the fire edge to put them
on track you back to Earth. Well,

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what he said here was very interesting. When he said, and I'm

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paraphrasing here, he said, Now
he says, I was talking to so

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and so, and I said,
when I when I fired the engine,

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no matter what you do, keep
the Earth within the grid pattern on the

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window. And he was talking about
I don't all he's talking about the lunar

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module window. I think he was
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because there's a configuration of the spacecraft
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lunar module window would have been facing
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Earth, So he's probably talking about
the optics that they would choose to navigate

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when they were landing on the lunar
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that really interesting, and I was
thinking, wait a minute, you're two

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hundred and forty thousand miles from Earth
and you're using manual and visual cues to

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get yourself back on course. I
knew right then that there was a problem

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with the narrative because when you're that
far away, if you have any any

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kind of flying experience, it doesn't
matter if you're a private potter, you

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fly seven four seven, any kind
of flying experience, you know something about

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navigation, and you know how easy
it is to go off course. And

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if you're let's say a degree of
course, just on a natural on a

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cross country trip here from let's say
where I am here a small city to

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another small city, or you're going
to be off track if you don't correct.

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Now, use that analogy and think
about navigating two hundred and forty thousand

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miles away from the Earth with the
Earth in a grid pattern, and all

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you need to be is a fraction
of a degree off course, and you

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could be thousands of miles off your
track and you would never get back.

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In effectively, you'd be in an
elliptical orbit forever because they didn't have the

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propellant to get themselves back on course. So that right there told me there

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was a problem. There was a
problem with the efficial narrative. You would

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have thought that they were using sophisticated
computer navigation equipment. No, not really,

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but they'd like to tell you that, but that's not exactly how it

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really worked out. So that was
my first, my first red flag.

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So I kind of stuck with years
that would be free Pong, wouldn't be

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pre pom technology was that it would
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the tennis game that I came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it once you plugged into the back
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yeah, yeah, that's a good
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So it kind of went from there
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say, ten years when I started
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seriously, and that of course led
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first book. So what I mean, obviously, for those that are not

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familiar with the Apollo missions, Apollo
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on the Moon with Neil Armstrong and
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twelve followed for my later I believe
still in sixty nine. I think it's

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like November sixty nine, something like
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the camera's work because apparently one of
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do not point at the sun,
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so they didn't really kind of have
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audiences, which may have been in
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kind of ready if it was a
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was nineteen seventy was Apolo thirteen,
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and they had launched out there and
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the tanks or something was the expression
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the Apollo thirteen film. I probably
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that. But they had to stir
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like that, and that's where they
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on the Moon. Now, one
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it's what you alluded to them,
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were still docked with the lunar module, was still docked or during the whole

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mission virtually with the command module,
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the way out to the Moon.
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in all around the Moon and they're
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the command module and the lunar module
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lands on the Moon. Now,
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They had to have bought a moon
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look out the window through your sextant
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they're trying to navigate their way back, And I was thinking about this while

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thinking, hang on a minute,
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on the lunar module only, you
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the Moon and they're navigating their way
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anyway, wouldn't that, with the
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any navigational devices anywhere, which they
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to think, how on earth could
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looking like saying, through that top
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their point of view, because that's
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command module. I mean, that's
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don't know what people's thoughts are on
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it wasn't designed to do that job
anyway, and somehow Maraxi they were

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using it. According to what it
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they actually had a sexton on the
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weren't using that. They were using
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official narrative, the sexton on the
lunar module was supposed to be used to

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make sure that they had landed in
the right location when they hit the when

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they landed on the surface of the
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that they are they were where they're
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and and but you know, the
narrative keeps changing, Neil, and

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you and I can go back and
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but the narrative keeps changing, nas
It keeps changing its own narrative.

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window, which was depicted in the
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of the book and they said,
no is they were used in the sextent

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in the lunar module to navigate back
to Earth. Now, for people that

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that understand navigation, people who don't
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very precarious way to navigate because,
first of all, yeah, you do

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have to navigate by the stars.
Ships. We're doing it successfully for hundreds

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of thousands or for thousands of years
using a primitive form and sexton to navigate

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by the stars, and it was
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talking about precision, precision navigation here, which is necessary. So the computer

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would be programmed with a set of
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It would still have to navigate.
The ship would still have to navigate from

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the Moon to the Earth. But
in the case of the Apollo, it

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was done with human input. In
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at the stars through the sex and
then they would be taking the coordinates and

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feeding that into the computer. And
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That might work in Lower Thorpe,
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but to actually navigate manually from from
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of an average of you know,
two hundred and by the way, I

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want to I just want to let
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talking about Farney Engine, they were
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to the Earth at that time,
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hundred and fifty thousand miles up,
but still navigating with that method, manual

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method, one hundred and fifty thousand
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don't think so. I don't think
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right there, And there as many
red flags as I got into my research,

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many more red flags come up,
but that was that was really the

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first one. So again, just
having just to answer your question, there's

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really no firm answer to this,
given that this narrative changes all the time.

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I mean, I've seen it.
Other researchers have seen it. I

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know that Scott Henderson has seen it
a lot in his research. He's actually

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seen how they've updated their research when
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record anyway, to try to counter
what people like us are saying. So

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really I've come to just not take
the official narrative seriously. I'm just trying

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to use a little common sense now
in this, and common sense is telling

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me you cannot navigate one hundred and
fifty thousand miles in space to Earth with

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doing with a manual assist. You
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success on a ship in the middle
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do it in space one hundred and
fifty thousand miles. Why you need a

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computer to have all that information and
star patterns and juxtaposition of the spacecraft to

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the Earth and the Moon and the
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that you need to get back in. Sorry on one time and the old

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inclument out will Yeah, no,
sorry, sorry, I had a little

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trouble hearing your audio there. I
don't know if you Mike needs adjusting.

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Andy. It's a little bit low
unless you're not. Maybe it's your settings,

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maybe you're on a different mic or
something. It sounds a bit noisy

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anyway, but the head points on
Andy, and I can might be able

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the better. Yeah, I mean
I can hear you, but it's very

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noisy. That's better. It was
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back into the beginning. Yeah,
that's a little better. And since Microsoft

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here technology for you, just a
little offside because technology is so fantastic,

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it doesn't recognize the microphone that I
previously chose, so I now have to

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choose it again. Of course there's
technology for you, brilliant, but apparently

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went to the moon using They say
AI is gonna work great, but I've

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got a clever trick up my sleeve
because what happens with every show now,

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I run at our audio through a
very clever thing called a podcast studio or

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something like that on Adobe. It's
free to use for any podcas casts out

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there. You upload your audio and
ten minutes later process as long as it's

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under an hour. So I have
to edit it in chunks, and so

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we should iron out that problem anyway
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it's a very little clever device there. But getting back to the Apollo technology,

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one of the things that that kind
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manually with a computer with Apolo astronauts
coming back to the Earth is that they're

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looking through their scope or sextant or
whereveryth and they see the Earth and they're

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saying, okay, aim for that
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thing. There they go. Now, the thing is is that the Earth

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and the Moon are constantly in motion
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at that point, you're heading in
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to be moving slightly off, you
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something. So like you say,
the degrees are going to get greater because

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you're aim in there. But it's
a movement to target. So unless you

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kind of aiming to the left of
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us as it moves around, and
it's all bails on that, I don't

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quite know how that would be done. Really well, that's a very excellent

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point, And just to talk about
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you need when you launch a space
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reference point because the computer has to
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where you are at any specific time
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common sense, common sense would say
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Right. So now you've got the
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Earth's rotation, and we've also got
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as you say, you've got the
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and it's moving, so the computer
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data, and it's a lot of
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into account exactly what you just said, Neil, in terms of the Moon's

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orbit around the Earth, because it
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spacecraft is on route and coming back
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so it has to account for all
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planet, the Moon, the Sun
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and the stars. That has to
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has to be updated. I'm going
to pick up figure here just out of

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you know, out of the air, but every second I would have to

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be updated. But that's not how
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would be told by Houston, Okay, it's time to do a check,

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so they would check the stars and
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right. When the more you read
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purely about the navigational aspect of it. It is it's a clown show.

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I mean, that's what it is, right. I don't think Monty Hython

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could write a better skit, and
and that that's that's the that's the bottom

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line when it comes to their form
of navigation. So, and we're talking

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between Earth and the Moon millions of
square miles, you're off by a fraction

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of a degree. Screwed. Yeah, well, good Andy. Do you

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want to say, have you have
you come across a guy called Mike Barrow.

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He's been he's been on a few
TV shows on Sky, but he's

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a he's an American guy, Mike
Barrow that rings the bell. Give me

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his background. So the shows that
kind of shows he's been on his mostly

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kind of UFO stuff, but he's
also been on was the Moon hoax landing?

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Was it? You know, was
it hoaxed? And he he was

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if you like the guy that would
question it all, maybe it is a

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hoax kind of thing, but his
actual views that we did actually go,

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and he kind of like wrote a
book on it. Um. But yes,

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yes, I think I think I
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book. Yeah, I actually invited
him because he's I put something up first

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of all, kind of I added
him as a friend on Facebook. It

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took a while and he actually you
know responded and added me as a friend

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on Facebook. I then put up
something about the moon being the moon landings

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being a hoax, and he made
some comment about I wrote a book about

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this in support of the moon landings. We did actually go and everything else

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is a crazy conspiracy theory. So
what I did actually said that we've got

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a thing called Apollo Detectives you want
to come on and talk about it?

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And he never responded. I never
got a response, But I was just

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going to ask whether, first of
all, I want to put a shout

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out if anyone knows Mike Barr or
if he does listen, he probably wouldn't,

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but if he does come across this, do come on the Apollo Detectives

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with us, because we do need
more people who support the moon landing so

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we can talk about the technical data. But how this relates to you,

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Randy? I was going to ask, have you come across him, have

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you debated with him, argued with
him, and have you got into the

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technical aspects of it, because he
claims to have the technical aspects sorted in

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terms of why we did go.
Yeah, no, I haven't had the

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pleasure of going back and forth with
him. Now that brings up another issue

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is a lot of ide blew our
thing credit for this he came on.

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Of course, he's a pro Apollo. He's pro Apollo when he came on.

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What I mean, we disagree with
him, but what I did appreciate

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about him coming on was that he
was civilized and he wasn't in any way

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out to I mean he acted a
little childish in certain segments, but overall,

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I thought he was pretty good in
presenting his case. And even though

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he did have help online, which
is okay, I mean, he took

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on five of us, so I
mean, you know, I'll give him,

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I'll give him, I'll let him
have that. But at least he

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was civilized. When you have proponents, most proponents will not come on in

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debate. Now, Steve Mumbling came
on debate because Steve Mumbling doesn't use evidence

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to back up his point. He's
a bully. That's what he does.

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He uses abuse. And I mean
I applaud all of you for staying the

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00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,519
course with him. I mean,
I don't know how all of you did

410
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:14,079
it, but he didn't. He
didn't present any evidence whatsoever to back up

411
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,039
his point. He kept he kept
insulting people. He went after Scott Henderson,

412
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,079
kept insulting him, and it got
to the point where a lot of

413
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,960
people, like my friends and family
when we were watching this, a lot

414
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,880
of them just couldn't watch it.
They just thought he was too negative and

415
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,200
that was sending out you know,
that sense out a vibe and a sense

416
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,599
out of very negative vibe. And
I really think that that's what he was

417
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,279
doing. Now, I don't know, maybe he was doing it subconsciously.

418
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,279
But most of the proponents that I
have talked to you back and forth online

419
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:52,079
tend to descend into the abuse because
they don't have and it's not necessarily you

420
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:53,400
don't have to have the technic knowledge. I'm not an expert. I'm not

421
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,839
a physicist, I'm not a mathematician. I don't pretend to be an expert

422
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:03,279
on the technical part of it,
But I mean my flying and being a

423
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:08,319
pilot gives me a bit of a
step up to it, you know,

424
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,160
where I sort of knew what I
was getting myself into. But anybody can

425
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,200
reach their research this information. You
don't have to have a mathematics degree or

426
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,839
physics degree, and that's what they
always fall back on. You're not a

427
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720
rocket scientist, you're not a physicist. M Yeah, but I'm not an

428
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:32,519
idiot either, okay. And you
know, everybody has the ability to use

429
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:36,839
their own common sense, their own
discernment and can research this from themselves.

430
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:44,359
But constant, constant theme with these
proponents is to intimidate you and to elicit

431
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,519
an emotional response, which is what
Steve Mumbling was trying to do. He

432
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,880
was actually trying to elicit an emotional
response from all of you, and all

433
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,559
of you pretty well stood your ground. So again, applause to that.

434
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,920
And that's there. That's basically their
their m that's what they do. So

435
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:07,720
I've had I've asked a few people
um to come online on my video,

436
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,160
my own channel and have a chat, and all of them have said no.

437
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,599
Steve Mumbling asked me on his channel
and I said no. I said,

438
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,920
first of all, I don't know
who you are, right, And

439
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,319
of course after seeing him in and
what he's like, it's just there's no

440
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:27,400
way I'm going to debate an abusive
bully like that. You're not going to

441
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,519
get anywhere. You're not going to
win, all right, He's going to

442
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,599
talk louder, he's going to talk
over you. So there's no point.

443
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,640
So I'd have to say, Andy, Um, I'd have to see Mike

444
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,960
Barrett in action and others in action
online, see what they're like, see

445
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,160
what their disposition is before I would
agree to debate them, because I'm telling

446
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,759
you, it's just too much negative
energy. If there's too much negative energy,

447
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,079
it's just not worth it. Yeah. Right, But again, like

448
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,000
I fall back on blue Earth thing
and say well, we debated him and

449
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,640
that that was actually that actually went
very well. I thought that whole interview

450
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,319
went well. So if he's listening, I'll give him credit for that.

451
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,319
Yeah, because this is it.
I mean, the thing is, I

452
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,079
want to believe that man steps on
the moon. It's not like I don't

453
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,440
want us to. I want to
believe it. It's just that is there

454
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,119
the evidence to support it? And
the more we're looking at it, the

455
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,480
more it seems like it's a giant
hoax. Well, you know, it's

456
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,960
a very interesting point because I want
to believe it too. I wanted to

457
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,480
believe it for even when I found
out, when I decided, when I

458
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,680
had determined for myself that these missions
were faked, I still want to believe

459
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,200
it and I don't. And then
people say, well, you just don't

460
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,920
like anyone who is superior to you. Well, you know what, that

461
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:42,119
is a very childless thing to say. Neil and I have gone back and

462
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,880
forth on some music, and I
love I love guitar. I love all

463
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,720
kinds of guitar. I love classical
guitar, and one of my greats is

464
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,119
the Oh, the amazing Julian Bream. I think he's the number one classical

465
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,480
guitars in the world. I idolize
him, even though I play guitar.

466
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:04,039
I'll never play like him, but
he inspires me to do something that I've

467
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,000
always wanted to do, to enjoy. So to say that I don't appreciate

468
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,719
anybody who I think is superior,
that may I'll come on, you know.

469
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,360
I mean that is a childless thing
to say. I value the contribution

470
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,519
that Andrew Zogovia Julian Bream have made
to classical music, classical guitar. They're

471
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:27,519
an example for us. They show
us our capabilities. The Apollo Mission started

472
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,320
off that way. We all believed
in it. They were our heroes.

473
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,320
I idolized them when I was,
when I was younger, when I was

474
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,400
a teenager, even into my twenties
and thirties. Not anymore. They're not

475
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,519
heroes. They were a deception.
They were a deception, part of a

476
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:49,199
bigger deception that actually, I'll get
into some other areas here for a second.

477
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,320
I just divert for a second.
The last three years was a really

478
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,119
big example of that deception, and
how the Apollo Moon hoax is part of

479
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,559
that deception. It's all part and
parcel to it, all, all of

480
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,360
it in history, from going back
to nineteen thirteen, the Fellow Reserve Bank,

481
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,239
up to the up World War one's
World War Two, the JFK assassination,

482
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,559
the Paullom Moon Hulks nine to eleven, you name it. It is

483
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,599
all part of the same fabric.
And that's what people have to start realizing.

484
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:20,400
They have to start connecting the dots. And it can only do that

485
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,599
from a forty thousand foot level.
It's all ready to get into the details,

486
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:29,400
specifically when as it applies to one
specific conspiracy fact, but you need

487
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,599
to elevate yourself at forty thousand foot
level to look at the bigger picture and

488
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:36,960
see what's going on. And you
see it. It's all connected and it's

489
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,679
all related. It's like going off
in a slightly different direction. But it's

490
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,199
like David Ike says, he regards
himself as a dot connector. It's not

491
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:50,079
hundreds of different conspiracy theories. It's
a one big line deception that we live

492
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:54,000
in exactly. And David Ike,
and that's his genius, is that he's

493
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:59,679
able to look at things from a
forty thousand foot level and he connects the

494
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,599
dots, and he himself won't tell
you he's an expert. He never says

495
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:06,199
he's an expert. He's never once
said he's an expert. But he uses

496
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,719
what we all have and we're not
using it. And people like David Ike

497
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,079
and others out there other truths who
get slammed, then we'll get slam are

498
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,159
actually mentioning his name. Bring it
on. I don't mind it, right,

499
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,280
but but he points out and you
may not agree with everything he's saying,

500
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,960
but David I saying some of the
stuff gets maybe a little out there

501
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:34,800
in left field, but I would
say most of what he's saying is are

502
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,039
matters that people should be listening to
it and looking into it for themselves.

503
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,159
If you're going to disagree with somebody, that's fine, disagree with them,

504
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,719
But how about doing a little bit
of research yourself, all right, develop

505
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,840
your own point of view. Read
both sides. I always say that,

506
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,039
and especially when it comes to the
Paul missions. Read both sides. Read

507
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:59,800
the official narrative, and then read
the conspiracy narrative, and then come to

508
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,119
your on conclusions. Why does Ramad
seeing that? And I've been slammed for

509
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:07,719
seeing that I have seen lovely ram
at that approach. You've also as well

510
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:14,199
as reading the other side and reading
the conspiracy ideas behind the Moon landing,

511
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:20,199
you've also delved deeper than a lot
of people, which you mentioned in your

512
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:23,480
books, where you studied the F
one engines which are on the Saturn five

513
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:30,360
rocket and their performance, and you
talked about the speed of them and how

514
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,559
much could they get up into orbit
within a time frame and things. Can

515
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,559
you talk a little bit about that, because obviously you made it. I

516
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:42,480
mean, I've never seen anyone else
talk about the F one engines apart from

517
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,519
there was one guy, I think
it was in What Happened on the Moon

518
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:50,159
documentary and it was a guy who
was a rocket kind of engineer. I

519
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,440
forget his name now he's actually passed
away, but he talked about look at

520
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,719
the flame coming out the Saturn five
and you'll see it's running rich on fuel

521
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,119
as something like that. It's not
quite the color it should be. It

522
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,840
was a lot caller flame than if
it was meant to be at full power,

523
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,559
it should be almost like a white
hot flame, and this is more

524
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,480
of an orange flame. He said. They added more fuel to the mixture

525
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,320
to make it look more impressive or
something like that. Can you talk a

526
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,119
little bit about your research into the
Saturn five. Yeah, So the Saturn

527
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:25,119
five really relied on the first stage
and the all powerful F one engines.

528
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,159
So to give to put that age
respective the average rocket engine, I think

529
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:36,199
the most powerful range engine they had
up until the sixty seventies. Even now,

530
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,360
each engine would produce a thrust of
two hundred thousand pounds. I'm I'm

531
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,480
in American measurement here, so forgiving
out there people, So it's two hundred

532
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,880
thousand pounds. So the F one
engine one F one engine was designed to

533
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,639
produce one point five million pounds.
That's one point five million pounds. So

534
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,039
what they needed to do that they
needed that enormous amount of thrust, which

535
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:08,960
is what like ten times the average
engine, right, So they needed to

536
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,440
develop the F one engine because they
needed that amount of power and thrust to

537
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:20,639
lift the Apollo hardware into lower th
orbit. That's just into lower orbit,

538
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
not to boost it to the Moon. The F one engines didn't have that

539
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,280
purpose. The purpose was is to
get the apoll the Saturn five up to

540
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,960
an altitude of forty miles jettison the
F one engines and then from there far

541
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,320
the J two engines to get it
up into parking orbit, and then from

542
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:43,079
there the rest is history. Right
now, the F one engines was the

543
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:49,599
most that still is classified as the
most powerful liquid fuel engine ever built now

544
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,800
that was actually being worked on in
the late nineteen fifties the US military,

545
00:39:53,159 --> 00:40:01,679
and then when Eisenhower had signed into
order the existence of NASA, they transferred

546
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:07,079
the F one engines over to NASA, but not a NASA as as,

547
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,400
not NASA per se, but Rocketdyne, but was oversaw by NASA, so

548
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,519
the corporation Rocketdyne was building the APP
one engines. And this comes into play

549
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,119
now with Bill Casing, and Bill
Casing has taken a severe beating over the

550
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,920
last several decades, but a lot
of people missed Bill Casing's point. Bill

551
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Casing was hired by Rocketdyne to oversee
the latest developments at that time, so

552
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,239
he was obviously qualified to read the
data, or they wouldn't have hired him

553
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,840
in the first place. So I
don't understand why people are always ridiculing him,

554
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,280
telling him he was a paper push
He was a paper pusher when he

555
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,880
was actually there to analyze the data. That was his function, and he

556
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,079
of course oversaw it was reading the
data output for the F one engines at

557
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:54,880
the time it was in development in
nineteen I think fifty nine, and he

558
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:02,760
had noticed that they were able to
get a maximum of a million pounds of

559
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,199
thrust out of one F one engine
for a millisecond. That was it.

560
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:15,400
It broke down after that. Yeah, and that's the only recorded data that

561
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,239
can be relied upon. And I'll
get into that point in a minute.

562
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:25,039
Just bring me back to that point
a second. So he continued on and

563
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,480
had noticed in subsequent years nineteen sixty, nineteen sixty one, nineteen sixty two,

564
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,320
because now the F one engines were
adopted for use in the Apollo program,

565
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:43,320
right, so he noticed that he
was seeing suspicious data output from the

566
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,039
F one engines. He was seeing
it initially and then he was seeing it

567
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:52,239
changed later on, and he realized
that the data for the F one engines

568
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,519
was being falsified to fit the narrative, because well, he was there.

569
00:41:55,559 --> 00:42:00,880
He actually resigned in nineteen sixty three
and discussed but he had realized that they

570
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,119
were falsified the data to fit the
future narrative of the poly missions because at

571
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:09,199
that time the EP one engines were
officially part of the Apollo missions nineteen sixty

572
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,159
one, sixty two, and sixty
three. Right, and remember Kennedy had

573
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,400
announced the Apollo program in nineteen sixty
one, landing him out in the Moon

574
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,000
and bringing the back report. This
decade is out, so he resigned out

575
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,039
of disgust. So this gets into
the individual you were just mentioning Andy earlier.

576
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,840
I read a paper by a Russian
scientist. I put that in my

577
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:38,719
book, and he noticed with the
launch of Apollo I think it was Apollo

578
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,559
six. Yeah, so there was
two on manned launches of the Saturn five.

579
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,480
The one was the first of one
was Apollo for the second one was

580
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:51,199
Apollo six. Now, before I
get to that, so you have each

581
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:58,320
engine. You have five engines in
the Saturn five first stage. Five engines,

582
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,440
So each engine as one point five
million pounds of thrust for a total

583
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,960
of seven point five million pounds.
Okay, that's a lot of power compared

584
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,800
out the average rocket maybe a million
pounds for all engines combined. Here you

585
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,119
have seven point five million pounds of
thrust for all engines combined, and they

586
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:21,519
needed that enormous amount of power to
get the hardware to forty six ton hardware

587
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:27,239
into lower orbit, as I just
mentioned earlier. So the question is when

588
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,320
we were watching the launch of the
onmand launch of the Saturn five, and

589
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,639
with Apoly four and Apollo six,
the two A man launches, where we're

590
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,400
actually seeing the F one engines at
work or were we're seeing something different.

591
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,239
I have a theory on that,
and it's just a theory. I can't

592
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,679
prove it right now, but I
believe they did attempt to use the F

593
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,679
one engines in the first launch of
Apollo four, the first amand launch of

594
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,119
the Saturn five, I don't think
they were using full power and it seemed

595
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:02,159
to be a success. Then with
the launch of Apollo six, Apollo five

596
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,559
was not was with Saturn one B
launch, I'll get that out in a

597
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,960
minute. With Apollo six, they
launched it and I think they tried to

598
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:14,039
use full power. They were trying
to get that seven point seven point five

599
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,880
million pounds of thrust out of the
engine, and that's when they had a

600
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,960
lot of problems. That was a
near disaster, That that particular mission was

601
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,000
a near disaster, and any that's
I think what you were talking about when

602
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:31,280
what was happening is this the flame
was expanding beyond what it should have done,

603
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:37,039
and it was also changing color.
And then you had also flame coming

604
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:44,159
out the side of the Saturn five
I was launching. And he was able

605
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,960
to determine the scientists was a Russian
scientists was able to determine by looking at

606
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,880
it that it was caro scene that
was burning because they were using carrier scene

607
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,840
mixed with liquid oxygen for the F
one engines, right, they were using

608
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,519
liquid hydrogen and the other engines,
but they were using specifically cares for that,

609
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,960
and it was able to tell that
the kerosene was not burning properly.

610
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,679
And he knows, I mean,
he's a scientist. He knows kros needs,

611
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,320
he knows kerosene when he sees it. And that's what he saw what

612
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:15,559
Apollo six. So there was a
major And I remember watching a documentary on

613
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,800
that mission, Apollo six, and
an engineer was talking about that and he

614
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:25,360
said they had had astronauts on board
the Saturn five, a manned long unch

615
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,039
to the Saturn five. With Apollo
six, they would have had to abort,

616
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,119
that's how bad it was. They
would have had to abort that mission,

617
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:36,639
the astronauts would have had to abort. So if I can just go

618
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,960
a little further specifically, what was
happening is that the problems that they were

619
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,840
happening with the F one engines was
this, So it had to do with

620
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,159
the cooling system. So you have
this enormous F one engine, so you

621
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,159
have the you know, you have
the engine parts up here, and then

622
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:54,840
you have the fuel injector, and
then you have the combustion chamber, and

623
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,119
then you have the throat area and
a nozzle at the bottom. Okay,

624
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,480
so let's focus on the combustion chamber
of the F one engines. The temperatures

625
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:10,000
were arranging six thousand degrees fahrenheit in
that combustion chamber and it needs to be

626
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:15,000
stabilized. So what they did was
is they ran hundreds of cooling tubes on

627
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:21,519
the outside of the combustion chamber and
they were pumping thirty seventy percent of the

628
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:27,320
propellant through the outside of the combustion
chamber those little tubes that are on the

629
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,280
outside to absorb the thermal energy to
try to stabilize because if you couldn't stabilize

630
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,800
the temperature, you'll have a distortion
of the combustion chamber and you'll have an

631
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,199
explosion and you would lose you would
lose the mission. Right. It was

632
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,920
those tubes on the outside, these
hundreds of little tubes that were breaking down,

633
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,519
and because they were breaking down,
the combustion chamber was becoming unstable duty

634
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:57,000
increase heat, which was causing it
to basically misfire. So what was happening

635
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,400
is misfires the layman term I'm using
here for technical people out there. All

636
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,519
right, don't come at me.
Miss fire. They didn't have the clutch,

637
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,440
right, yeah, but what they
were doing, So what was happening

638
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:15,480
is is because that rock was no
longer in sync with the other four rockets,

639
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,239
you had what was called a pogo
effect, and it was the pogo

640
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,920
effect on a longitudinal axis of the
rocket that was causing a huge vibration and

641
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:30,079
that was leading to the loss of
the rocket. That's why these engineers said

642
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:37,000
that if there had been a crew
on board, they would have they would

643
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,360
have had to abort. Now,
long story short, this getting technical,

644
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,880
so I'm going to kind of keep
it short. A long story short.

645
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,280
It was only seven months later when
they supposedly rectify the problems with the F

646
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,360
one engines that they were having because
NASA had to admit it had a problem

647
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,960
with the rocket. It wouldn't specifically
say the EP one engines, but they

648
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,719
did admit there was a problem with
the launch of Apollo six, and then

649
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,400
from seven months later they went to
not only launching another or Saturn five,

650
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,400
but this time they put a crew
on board without any further testing. In

651
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:14,239
between Apollo six and Apollo eight,
Paulo Waits, the first one that supposedly

652
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,880
orbited the Moon them back. Now, how is it that you're going to

653
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,280
risk the lives the three astronauts.
I don't care if they're test pilots.

654
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,079
You don't risk a lot, you
don't. You don't blame me risk people's

655
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:28,320
lives like that, even if they're
test pilots, US military test pilots.

656
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,199
You don't blame me risk people's lives
because if you do, in the program

657
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:36,159
fails, you'll get nobody else to
come forward. Right, So, how

658
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:42,880
is it they went from Apollo six
to Apollo eight in seven seven months without

659
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,920
any further testing, with all the
renovations they had done to the F one

660
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,320
engines and the Saturn five rocket itself, without any further testing, no ground

661
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,239
testing, no actual testing the air. They just went straight from that near

662
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,519
disaster to putting a crew on board
seven months later. Does anyone believe that?

663
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,199
M hmm sounds a bit of a
miracle to me. It might be

664
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,159
the challenge disaster, isn't it of
I think one of the tiles fell off

665
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,719
and that was during launch, wasn't
it the challenger? Was the the oh

666
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,599
rings? Was it on the SRBs? A solid rocket boosters? Two large

667
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,880
rocket boosters strapped to the side of
the tank. Oh, here we go,

668
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,360
this is so this is our rocket? Yeah? Yeah. So this

669
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,519
is a book by Eugene Rachel.
He works for the he's affiliated in some

670
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:34,199
way with the European Space program,
and he's a pro a pro apart opponent,

671
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,719
so he believes, he believes the
whole official narrative. All right,

672
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,239
he's an engineer. He wrote this. He wrote a series of books there

673
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,800
for anybody who's interested in and the
whole official narrative and the details and it

674
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,800
can get a bit dry, but
the details these are the books that go

675
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,719
with He's got a serious of books
out. So let me read you one

676
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,800
paragraph he wrote about the F one
engines, and tell me if you think

677
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,679
there's a problem with this, so
he write, he wrote this be said,

678
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,400
these spontaneous combustion instabilities which I was
talking about with the F one engines,

679
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:15,760
the spontaneous combustion instabilities never never reappeared
after they supposedly fixed them. Until

680
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,400
the end, whoever, the problem
was never completely understood. So here we

681
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,000
are in a situation where they fixed
the problem, but never knew what it

682
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:29,760
was they were fixing, and never
reappeared again. Monty Python. To this

683
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:35,679
day, it remains a constant problem
in large rocket engines for which an individual

684
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,000
empirical solution has to be found.
Through the disappointment of the engineers, a

685
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:46,679
model was never found with which they
could generally overcome the problem. Now,

686
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,679
your honor, I rest my case. I mean, seriously speaking, these

687
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,960
spells that are right there. They
had a problem, they didn't know what

688
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,840
the problem was, but they mattered
to fix the problem them. It never

689
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,079
occurred again. And all the missions
after that, up to the launch of

690
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,960
this, with the launch of Skylab, all the Saturn five launches were perfect.

691
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:16,440
Not questions. Let's alcohol in case
closed. So maybe an Apollo enthusiasts

692
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,519
will come back then and say,
well, Okay, there was an issue

693
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,719
with the engines. But then they
would say, well, how'd you explain

694
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:31,559
the photography in low Earth orbit of
say the lunar module in Earth orbit where

695
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:35,719
they were testing it out, or
the command module in Earth orbit tests.

696
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,480
Now they've obviously they would say,
they've obviously got that hardware up there somehow.

697
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:45,360
What would your reply to that be, Yeah, so I'm not I'm

698
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,480
not saying that man missions to lower
thorbit are impossible. I'm not saying that.

699
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,840
So I'll for now give them the
benefit of the doubt that they're capable

700
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,800
of at least going to lower thorbit. Although when you look at the program

701
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,920
it seems it precarious to this day
with technology have been using for five decades.

702
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,559
But that's another subject for another day. It's easy, that's an easy

703
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:15,639
answer. If you look at the
fact that the US military had and still

704
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:22,800
has the largest film studios in the
world, even far larger than NASA.

705
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:28,719
And if you look back on their
history, the US military, who were

706
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:34,880
made all our propaganda films in their
studio, which are bigger than Hollywood studios

707
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:43,079
and more sophisticated in terms of their
technology. They have propaganda films, they

708
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,719
were making in the forties and fifties. They're still classified to this very day.

709
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,239
You can watch them, but they're
classified in terms of how they were

710
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,760
made. Why well, obviously because
they had far greater technology. The military

711
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,360
always is about twenty thirty years ahead
of what we know today, right,

712
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,480
So it's quite easy. I have
no I have no doubt that the military

713
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:08,920
was capable of some of the photos
in film that we see presented as the

714
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:15,159
official version presented to us by the
US military. Remember, the US military

715
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:20,159
was heavily involved in the Apollo missions, right, I forget what your stant

716
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:27,079
dance on this, Randy, what's
your stance on Stanley Kuplick's involvement if Yeah,

717
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,079
Marcus Allen has done a lot of
good work on that, and I've

718
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:37,519
heard him talking about I sort of. I agree with the narrative that I

719
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:42,960
don't think he was directly involved,
but I do think that he had.

720
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,119
Maybe he might have been involved in
some capacity as a consultant, but I

721
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:51,400
believe it was the special effects man
that he used a lot on the set

722
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,800
of his own movies that may have
been directly involved in filming them, or

723
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,960
at least film in some aspects of
the Apollo missions. But you know what

724
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:04,159
again, just just to far back
and what I said earlier, if the

725
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,320
military has technology, then we don't
know about they had technology back down,

726
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:15,320
photographic technology, film technology, Um, you know, um, wouldn't they

727
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,880
have comparable special effects experts are there? On? Yeah? Could could they?

728
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,639
For instance, here's a sneaky one. Could they? Kind of if

729
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:29,639
you were kind of like military nasatype
people have a meeting with special effects Hollywood

730
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,480
people not tell them what it's about
and just say hey, could you do

731
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,719
this? Could you do that?
And they go ahead and do it.

732
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,840
The military take it away and then
do their own version or improve upon it,

733
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,039
and just don't tell them what it's
about, so they might you know,

734
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:44,760
I think the word is compartmentalization.
So you only know you're tiny little

735
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,159
bit, you don't know what's going
on further up the ladder. Yeah,

736
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:51,360
absolutely, and you can reverse that. What if? What if? What

737
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:55,440
if Hollywood went to the US military
for information how to make better films?

738
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:00,880
Yeah? Yeah, it reminds me
of a little story that I was only

739
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,440
told a few years ago. Back
again, just before the pandemic happened.

740
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,440
I was reacquainted with something that I
used to work with in the nineteen eighties

741
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:20,039
who were celebrating her seventieth birthday,
and so she threw kind of mutual relatives,

742
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:22,719
basically sort of got back in touch
with me and said, you know,

743
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,119
I understand you're doing videos and things
like that. Could could you film

744
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:29,440
my seventieth birthday party? And I
said, yeah, sure, that'd be

745
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,000
great, nice to see you again
kind of thing. You know, all

746
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:35,599
these years later, now how her
and I knew each other. We worked

747
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:42,000
an Army film unit, if you
like, it was called back then in

748
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:50,719
the late seventies, early eighties,
and then in nineteen eighty two it merged

749
00:55:50,760 --> 00:56:00,000
with a television unit at the British
Forces to become and basically they were tasked

750
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,960
with making all the films to the
Army and Air Force. And I think

751
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,639
they did do some stuff for the
Navy, but mostly the Army and Air

752
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:13,079
Force training films. And so later
on I started in there as a kind

753
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,199
of a storm and Stroke film librarian, where I have to put these films

754
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,440
into the library and I'd have to
take these films into a repair, and

755
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:23,199
these films would come in through the
post from a great big Royal mail van,

756
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,320
and these films were getting booked in, you know, manly with an

757
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,599
old boy ballpoint pain on a clipboard, you know, and before the computers

758
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:32,400
came along, and my job at
that time was to take them into the

759
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,320
repair room where this lady who was
a supervisor would check them through, you

760
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,159
know, and make sure there's no
tears in the film or the sprockets were

761
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:43,840
strong, along with a team of
other ladies, and they would do all

762
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,920
that all day checking the film.
Now, when I got back in touch

763
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,760
with her only recently, about three
three years ago or something, you know,

764
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,840
we were talking about the old days
and things like that, and she

765
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,320
said that when Now, this was
before I even began there. They're in

766
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,079
nineteen eighty one, so I would
have put this about nineteen seventy eight,

767
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,599
seventy nineteen eighty around that period of
time. She said, did you know

768
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:15,480
that the Russian general came knocking on
our door back in nineteen seventy nine or

769
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,480
whenever it was. I said,
no, what was that about? And

770
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:22,159
she goes, well, they accused
us, or they accused of British of

771
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,559
stealing a military Russian film from them. And I presume this was summer in

772
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:30,599
London, you know, because obviously, you got the Russian embassy in London,

773
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:37,280
and the Russians have found one of
their training films or military secret films

774
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,360
have gone missing, and they were
thinking the British have stolen it somehow,

775
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:47,039
and so they sent a Russian general
and a coupler like Russian security people maybe

776
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:52,000
soldiers, I don't know exactly well
that out from London to the home counties

777
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:57,840
of Buckinghamshire where this place was,
and I won't give a whole name.

778
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:00,480
The lady that I knew kind of
was the first to meet them, and

779
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,960
she goes, what do you want
and they said, we have come for

780
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:08,199
our film, you know you And
she said, I don't know what you're

781
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:12,599
talking about, and she honestly had
no clue what was going on. So

782
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,119
she passed it on to her supervisor, who's now deceased. And this is

783
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,320
they ended up marrying each other.
So this is how he got the story

784
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,159
back to her. He told her
the full story when they both retired,

785
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,519
and you know, it all quiet
down. He said, do you know

786
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:28,000
what happened? And that day and
she goes no, and she's as well.

787
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,800
The Russians were accusing the British intelligence
of stilling one of their training films

788
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,320
or something, and they were denying
all knowledge. But what happened is that

789
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,519
the British intelligence or someone had got
the film out of London and taken it

790
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:44,840
to this place in Bucking and just
secreted it away and they locked it in

791
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:50,639
their safety vault or something, and
so they were just denying it completely to

792
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,639
Russians. No, we haven't got
your film, we haven't got a film.

793
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,320
Go away, go away, And
in the end that to leave empty

794
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,239
handed. But he said later on, he said, yeah, yeah,

795
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,440
we did have the film. We
did stealing and we kept it in our

796
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:05,679
vaults and we had to get it
out of London because you know, it

797
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,280
was too hot a potato to keep
up there. So they took it out

798
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,239
into the Home Counties to this you
know, army training place that I worked

799
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,199
at, and they that I presume
they must have made copies because in those

800
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,639
days you had film projects and things
like that, but you also had a

801
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:22,800
very clever machine called a tele cinny, and it's how they showed films on

802
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,679
the TV. And you'd put these
sixteen million meter films on like a projector,

803
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,480
but it'd had like a video scanning
kind of camera and it would copy

804
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,599
it over to videos. So I
presume that you know, this film was

805
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:38,480
labeled top security secretels and they must
have made copies of it onto video or

806
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:44,519
something. I reckon And what was
on the training film? That's what I

807
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,199
was going to ask. Yeah,
no clue. What was it about?

808
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,000
I don't know, but it's interesting. I remember putting some of these films

809
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:53,079
back into the library and I was
always curious about what some of these films

810
00:59:53,079 --> 01:00:00,760
were. And one of the films
I remember seeing it was two Mars and

811
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,079
Beyond. It was titled to Mars
and Beyond. Now I never saw it

812
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,199
because I didn't know how I've thread
these things up anyway, and I didn't

813
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:12,559
really have access to that kind of
machinery at that time. But yeah,

814
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,559
it's called to Mars and Beyond.
Now. Interestingly, no film passed through

815
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:20,360
my hands as a film librarian back
then that said anything about the Moon,

816
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,199
nothing about the Moon mission, is
nothing about Nassa, nothing at all.

817
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,519
And yet here was a film called
to Mars and Beyond. And I thought

818
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,480
that's an interesting in film. I'd
love to see that sometime. You know

819
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:36,400
that you know that sounds like can
you use the analogy of a Freudian slept,

820
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:38,559
Like, why all of a sudden
already talking about Mars and why are

821
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,320
they talking about Mars and beyond?
Is there technology that we're not aware of?

822
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Yeah, yeah, exactly, this
is what I was talking about last

823
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,159
night here with a secret space poker
and drum Me saying like this, like

824
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,880
the fourth camp. Yeah, just
to kind of fill you in, Randy,

825
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,480
we're briefly touching upon kind of like
the moon landings and things when me

826
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,679
and Neil were talking. And there's
different camps of people. There's there's the

827
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:06,559
first camp of people that believe absolutely
the official narrative that we did go to

828
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:09,400
the moon. Then there's people that
believe that we went to the moon and

829
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:16,000
the NASA astronauts saw UFOs and kind
of moon structures on the moon. Then

830
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:20,840
there's the camp that don't believe that
we went to the moon, but there

831
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,800
are possibly structures on the moon.
Then there's the camp that there's we have

832
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,599
been to the Moon but not during
the Apollo programs, and there's a secret

833
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:31,079
space program. So there's all these
different camps with different kind of conspiracy HAPs

834
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:36,000
if you want to call it,
that of varying degrees and it's it's just

835
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:40,840
interesting. I felt, Yeah,
it's so interesting. And they also put

836
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,000
out that. I mean, they're
the ones that actually put out the misinformation

837
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,840
and disinformation, not us. I
mean, they're the one they chose us

838
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,679
putting that out. But it's actually
then that are doing it, and they

839
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:52,639
want to muddy the waters and and
and you know, and then they create

840
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,239
these purposely create these groups and these
divisions between people and this person. As

841
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,920
you just said, this group has
they're believed, that group has their belief.

842
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:06,519
How many times have you been accused
of you know, they bring up

843
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:10,199
the flatter theory. They always bring
that up with me. They accuse me

844
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,960
of promoting the flatter the flatter theory, and hey, I've only ever talked

845
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,880
about the polymissions. Oh I'm getting
into some other stuff now with some books

846
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,119
I have coming out the different stuff, But I've never talked about the flatter

847
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,840
theory. Yet they keep accusing me
of promoting the flatter theory. And it's

848
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:31,480
just more admittatis. Yeah, exactly, It's just the tactic they use to

849
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:35,800
try to discredit every time I put
a video out. Now, and I'm

850
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:40,239
sure you and that Neil and Andy
have had the same the same problem every

851
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:44,800
time I put a video out.
Now there's a disclaimer on my video.

852
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,679
That's why I've got a backup channel
now, you know, with bit shoot

853
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:51,400
and rumble, because you know,
I just I try to be careful on

854
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,440
YouTube, but um, you know, you've really got to be careful what

855
01:02:54,599 --> 01:03:00,199
subjects you're talking about because you can
lose your channel. Right So now out

856
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:07,679
my recent discussion with Marcus Allen and
Robin Landry, who I'm writing a book

857
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:13,280
with at this moment. Actually she
um, we got into the JFK assassination

858
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,360
and as soon as I posted the
video, immediately a disclaimer came up from

859
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:22,320
Wikipedia. Yeah right, yeah,
So, I mean it's incredible. One

860
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,280
of the individuals going back and forth
with me on my video right now,

861
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,559
my latest video, he's you know, he's talking about, Oh, he's

862
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:34,000
always been censored in this and as
well, you don't have any problem with

863
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:38,960
censoring us. So why are you
complaining about censorship when it's your side that's

864
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:43,599
constantly censoring everybody. Just look at
the last three years, I mean New

865
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:49,079
lot or censoring anybody who dared to
speak out against the official narrative, who

866
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:53,559
dared to speak out against them,
you know, the whole um medical thing,

867
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,719
the intervention, if I could put
it that way, any yeah,

868
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:03,039
exactly. Anybody who dare to ask
a question, was oh, your conspiracy

869
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:08,440
theorist, that's disinformation. No,
it's not. And science is not.

870
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:14,519
Science is about asking questions. It's
always about asking questions. It's all Science

871
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:18,880
is a consensus. It's not a
fact. And if you look back any

872
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:26,719
period throughout history, science is always
being it's fluids. It's constantly changing.

873
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:29,880
And for somebody to say that it's
wrong, this is right, No,

874
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,360
it's not. And the last three
years was the biggest and the best example

875
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:41,559
of how we've been misled. Right. So, and the good part,

876
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:45,199
though, is that all of this
is now out in the open and the

877
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,599
narrative. More people are discussing it
than every before in history. So there's

878
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,239
some good things that came out of
the last three years, if I can

879
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:59,639
say that with sensitivity, because a
lot of people got hurt. But the

880
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,199
narrow is now out in the open. So um in a strange kind of

881
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,559
way, it might have been a
necessary evil to wake people up, to

882
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,840
get people to see more of what's
going on, to get them talking about

883
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,920
it, and now that's where we
are. So I am seeing some encouragement,

884
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,639
but we're going to go through a
lot, haven't. They also recently

885
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:26,199
canceled any man mission to Mars.
I think I saw that in the news,

886
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:30,199
and we'll work with that. They've
planned it well, I mean I

887
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,679
thought something. Let me let me
you guys have a tool, I see

888
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:38,159
if I can find. Yeah.
My understand of any Mars mission is that

889
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:43,199
they're always pushing this Mars narrative about
all. Eventually the next ten years or

890
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,599
twelve years, thirteen fifteen, whatever
years, we'll be landing a man on

891
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:49,960
Mars. And you know, I
even go the shops and see kids toys

892
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:56,360
now about Mars missions, you know, assemble kind of palatoy space kits and

893
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,159
things all about going to Mars.
You know, like in the sixties was

894
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:01,840
always the Moon, you know,
but now it's Mars. But now,

895
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,199
of course they're trying to get back
to the Moon with the Artemus missions and

896
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,719
uh yeah, okay, I think
we are spaces Independent report, sorry,

897
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:17,159
independent report concludes two thousand and thirty
three human miles mission is not feasible.

898
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:23,880
I'll drop that. I'll just drop
that in. Let's have a have a

899
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,159
wee reader that so anyone that wants
to have a look at this Space news

900
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:32,159
dot com independent report UM concludes twenty
and thirteen human Mars mission is not feasible.

901
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:36,320
That's actually from April the eighteenth,
two thousand and nineteen. UM.

902
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:45,760
They've also the European Space Agency has
also canceled anything to do with Mars probes

903
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,760
working with Russia to Miles as well. So we've got that. That's a

904
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:56,800
more slightly more recent one. European
Space Agency, this is two thy twenty

905
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,400
two canceled the way forward to Mars, so we've got that one as well.

906
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:03,599
UM. So it's it's looking like
this. They're kind of saying,

907
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:05,679
oh, we'll go to Mars.
Oh, no, we're not going to

908
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:09,159
Mars. Oh we'll go to Mars. Oh we won't go to Mars.

909
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:12,280
So there's a lot of this going
on. Yeah, And I think part

910
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,599
of that too is to divert attention
away from front the Moon mission, because

911
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,840
the art Amis won't be gone anywhere
near No man will be going anywhere near

912
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,559
the Moon. And and even even
though they have the ability to fake it

913
01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:27,639
better than they did fifty years ago, a lot of people are now fully

914
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:31,000
aware. A lot more people are
aware of their capabilities, so they really

915
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,679
have a difficult time fake. Let's
let's let me put it to you this

916
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:39,639
way. If they want to fake
a mission another mission to the Moon,

917
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:43,960
they're going to have to land right
by Apol eleven and they're going to have

918
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:46,840
to put the camera on what it's
elect that the remnants of poll eleven and

919
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,119
show us the deterioration over the last
fifty years. How they're going to duplicate

920
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:55,119
that, Yeah, they have,
they can't. They don't because they're guessing

921
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:58,079
they don't know, So they have. There's a lot that they have to

922
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,480
sell and they're not going to be
able to say it. So they'll eventually

923
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:06,400
we'll get to the starting line and
then we'll be pulled back right And I

924
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,800
mean, it's just amazing and just
when it comes to the art at the

925
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,960
artifics mission. I haven't studied it
much, but my understanding is is that

926
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,399
it's using the same technology to Space
Shuttle use. It's the technology, it's

927
01:08:15,399 --> 01:08:18,600
going back decades and it's still having
problems with it. What gives here?

928
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:24,079
Right with that kind of if you
had that in aviation, you wouldn't be

929
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:28,800
flying from country to country if you
had that kind of instability in its technology,

930
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:32,359
and it is instability right, So
again, you know, I think

931
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:36,239
they're trying to get us away from
from from the movie. It haven't seen

932
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:43,560
a lot of hype over it since
the so called success of its starship launch.

933
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:48,760
It's interesting because last year last summer, I was working for a news

934
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:58,840
broadcast in London an Iranian slash afghanis
dying news thing, and you're thinking,

935
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,159
what were they doing broad classing from
London? But it's because they're broadcasting out

936
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:05,960
the regime, outside of the regimes
of Afghanistan and outside the regimes of Iran,

937
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:12,000
so they can and they're kind of
being financed by Saudi royal family or

938
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:15,399
something like that. So I was
led to believe that they was obviously talking

939
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,399
about, you know, the broadcasting. They were covering it on their programs

940
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,560
or I mean, I couldn't understand
the Fasti language, but you could definitely

941
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,119
see the Arsima stuff there. And
one of the guys that was a journalist,

942
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,159
I ended up chatting to him in
the tea room about it and he

943
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,880
said, Oh, my daughter was
so excited. I'm going to be interviewing

944
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:38,159
one of the astronauts that's going to
go to the Moon. And obviously I

945
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,560
thought, oh, this must be
the artemist thing. I said, why,

946
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,479
what how come? Then he said, well, because this astronaut,

947
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,520
although she's American, she's of Iranian
descent, and so that was of interest

948
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,479
to this Iranian channel. Visually they
thought, oh, that'd be a nice

949
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,479
little kind of angle to take that, you know, they can focus on

950
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:00,279
on this Moon mission because she's an
Iranian astronaut. And this this journalist was

951
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:02,520
saying, yeah, yeah, she's
she's flying to the Moon next month,

952
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:05,680
you know. And this was August
and it was September the next month,

953
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,279
and when it was scheduled to fly. I said, no, no,

954
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:13,039
no, no, no, no, I'm pretty sure you know they're not

955
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:15,199
going to be flying people to the
Moon next month. I understand. You

956
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:18,760
know that they're going to be taking
off and just testing this rocket out and

957
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,600
that's all they're going to be doing. There won't be astronauts. I said,

958
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,000
I think there's going to be some
dummies test dumpies on there and think

959
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,760
and he really didn't realize this,
so, you know, so I said,

960
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,359
would you want me to kind of
brief you on what I know,

961
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,479
because oh yes, please. So
you know, we had a little chat

962
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,760
and I took him right back to
the Apollo missions and I said, you

963
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,439
know, because he said, I
don't know what questions to ask this astronaut.

964
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,359
What what do you think I should
ask? So I said, well,

965
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:48,720
okay, So I gave him my
angle of the whole Apollo mission,

966
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,000
saying, you know, there's a
lot of people that say that they can't

967
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:55,520
get up to the Moon because of
the van Alan radiation belts. And they

968
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,640
gave him a kind of basic science
thing of the van Ayland radiation belt where

969
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,479
they're radiation particles around the first magnetic
field and that kind of stuff. And

970
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:05,720
I said, and even when you
get to the Moon, you know,

971
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:11,119
you still got all that gamma and
cosmic radiation hit in the moon all the

972
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:14,399
time. So I said, you
know, it'd be great if they could

973
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:16,039
get to the moon, but maybe
one of the questions you might like to

974
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,720
ask this astronaut is how they're going
to cope with the radiation. And I

975
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,119
gave him like a list of ten
questions to ask, and anyway, he

976
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:28,520
had to then go and see his
editor in chief to run these questions past

977
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,199
him before he could then ask the
astronaut in question. And I saw him

978
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:34,760
maybe the next day, and I
said, oh, how'd you get on?

979
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,880
And said, oh, I'm so
angry. I'm so angry. I

980
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,399
said, why is that? This? As well, all the questions that

981
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,399
we devise, I put to my
editor and he's changed them all when he

982
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,000
scribbled it out, and the one
about the radiation, he's just struck off

983
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:55,359
and he goes, no, ask
him about UFOs and aliens and cliche stuff.

984
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:59,800
You know that. I think that's
a kind of like a brief insight

985
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:03,560
what's going on on a global scale
when when people have got pertinent questions and

986
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,399
this includes the auchie fouci in almost
any kind of given subject. If you

987
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,720
try and go up up the stages
and you hear this thing from skeptics,

988
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,279
Oh well, if that was true, you'd hear it on all the news

989
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:16,760
channels. For the reason you don't
hear it on all the news channels,

990
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,079
it's precisely what you were talking about, Neil. It goes up to editorial

991
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,600
level. Oh, I would just
scrubble that out and ask about you know

992
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,840
UFA. Yeah, yeah, I
thought it was a real good opportunity to

993
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:32,000
gain all good questions out through this
guy. We warted the editorial level.

994
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:35,239
Now, whether the guy, the
editor in chief knew anything about radiations,

995
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:40,000
I think it perhaps wasn't of interest
to him. He didn't perhaps really understand

996
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:43,399
it. And I'm just thinking,
oh, let's like ask about aliens or

997
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,720
something, which which is interesting because
like talking about the Iranians anyway, talking

998
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:53,119
about their their their belief in their
religion, I wonder how they actually view

999
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,199
the whole alien and UFO stuff anyway, because you know, it's a bit

1000
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,880
of a I mean, according to
what I was told old, the Iranian

1001
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:06,439
year is something like seven hundred,
so you know that we're in the year

1002
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:11,960
twenty twenty three era. I Rainy
year is something like seven hundred or something,

1003
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:15,159
you know, So they're kind of
like in the Middle Ages from their

1004
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:19,000
point of view of their their terminology. But when they went back to their

1005
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,880
Mohammed kind of birth, I guess
seven hundred years ago, whereas we take

1006
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,439
it from the birth of Jesus.
But of course our planet is a lot

1007
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,119
older than that anyway. But it
makes me just wonder about how they term

1008
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:32,560
the whole thing of the whole idea
of aliens and things in this modern world

1009
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:38,920
now with those kind of really old
beliefs and medieval beliefs. If alike of

1010
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:44,199
Mohammed and winged horses, he I
suppose the story goes he had a wing

1011
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:46,479
horse and ascended to heaven on a
wing horse, which is an interest in

1012
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,479
piece of mythology in itself, I
think, And you could sort of think

1013
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:55,000
of that anyway you want, I
guess should put a shout out if there's

1014
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,720
anyone from an Islamic country or a
Muslim background, then dropping the comments what

1015
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:06,039
what the Quran says about UFOs and
aliens and what the general Islamic belief is

1016
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:11,640
in UFOs and aliens. I'll tell
you what I quite like the Italian mindset.

1017
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,000
I was watching something of of all
things on Sky last night about Benito

1018
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:19,319
Mussolini and how he would have met
his end, and it goes into the

1019
01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:24,399
kind of like the Italian mindset and
what they think. Generally speaking, Italians

1020
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:30,119
in Italy distrust everything they hear from
politicians, everything they have. They have

1021
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,720
a very healthy distrust of authority,
and they assume as the default position that

1022
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:39,800
everything that's told by politician is lies. Love So I love that. I

1023
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,640
like that we need that, we
need that, we need that in North

1024
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:49,000
America, boy, that we need
that in Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna

1025
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:51,680
say, Randy, just before we
got into Mussolini. Yeah, No,

1026
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,239
when you were talking there, one
would think that a journalist would have at

1027
01:14:56,279 --> 01:15:00,399
least some broad knowledge of some of
the more controversial subjects. I mean,

1028
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,760
um, you know, if you're
in that profession, you would you don't

1029
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,439
have to meet you an expert in
one specific area, but you would have

1030
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:12,560
a general knowledge. And for him
to you know, to be absolutely dumbfounded

1031
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,119
on what you were talking about is
is it's frankly surprising, especially in this

1032
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:19,560
day and age, right, Yeah, I mean, considering the fact that

1033
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:27,319
he thought that they're going to be
launching this Iranian um background nastrotional to the

1034
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,920
moon that September literally, you know, three or four weeks after we were

1035
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,439
having this discussion. He thought they
were going back to me. So it

1036
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,399
shows he wasn't really clued up about
it at all. You know, he

1037
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,960
was a young guy for the job, I think, really. Yeah,

1038
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:42,520
and even it sounds like, even
if they had the right guy for the

1039
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,159
job, he was going to be
next anyway by the editor. Yeah,

1040
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,079
Yeah, there's a command here and
I see that so so so much where

1041
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:53,640
I mean, that's really what it's
all about, isn't it. Journalism is

1042
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:58,199
not journalism. It's actuary censorship.
That's really that's what it is. They're

1043
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,600
not They're not real journalist, you
know, in my opinion for all of

1044
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,000
these out there, I wanted to
defend the journalist. I'm just saying,

1045
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:08,199
in my opinion a journalist. Did
you did you hear this Simon Parks incident

1046
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:13,800
with the reptilian cartoon image on this
Morning? This was before the whole Phillips

1047
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,319
Gofield scal or Did you hear about
that, Neil, No, you've alluded

1048
01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:19,760
to that once before. Yeah,
so so Simon Parks, you know,

1049
01:16:20,279 --> 01:16:24,640
I quite like him. A lot
of people don't like him. Is controversial,

1050
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:27,000
but you know, take it as
you as you get it. But

1051
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:30,840
he's very into aliens and UFOs,
political staff, new World order, and

1052
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:34,359
I find his talks fairly interesting.
But he was he was invited onto This

1053
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:38,359
Morning, which is kind of like
a show. I don't know what the

1054
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:41,279
equivalent would be in America, but
like I just in a morning talk show

1055
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:44,680
basically born in America time, yeah, something like that. And he was

1056
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,239
asked Tom to talk about his experiences, and he actually had some little cartoon

1057
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:55,920
drawings illustrations of what these beings were
that he looked that he had interactions with,

1058
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,439
and what they looked like. And
he he was, you know,

1059
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,319
can we can we have them by
the production team in order so they can

1060
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:06,439
show them on camera. And they
showed the grays, and they showed the

1061
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:12,199
praying mantis, but for some reason
they wouldn't show the reptilian ones. Um,

1062
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,199
and and they didn't put them on
camera, And then off camera he

1063
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,479
asked them something along the wise of
well, why why didn't you why didn't

1064
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:23,119
you put the reptilian ones because those
are quite interesting, and that he was

1065
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:25,680
just told by the production team and
we're not allowed to. We were told

1066
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:30,039
from we're not allowed to. Oh
interesting, that interesting if they don't exist

1067
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:33,520
and it's all crazy conspiracy theory.
Yeah, and I might explain such such

1068
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:40,399
the almost violent response to people who
bring it up. Um, you know,

1069
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,680
the reptilian agenda, especially with David
aik he brings them up a lot.

1070
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,279
He's written about it many times.
But um, but you see symbols

1071
01:17:47,319 --> 01:17:51,359
of that everywhere you go. And
this is the thing I mean you go

1072
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:57,640
down and visit uh dearly plaza did
did jfk assassinations? Say? You see

1073
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,439
it all all the place? Um, you know, and it's very symbolic.

1074
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,439
There's a lot of symbology down in
that area where he was killed,

1075
01:18:04,319 --> 01:18:08,359
which I'll be writing about in a
future book, but just for now,

1076
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,840
it's just as a matter of interest. But you know, people seem to

1077
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:17,159
get they're afraid of anything that gets
into that area, or the occult or

1078
01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:20,039
anything like that, and yet it's
out there, it's in your face.

1079
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:27,640
In fact, the global elites who
run the world for now that might change,

1080
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,359
but who are running the world,
they live their lives and they plan

1081
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:38,279
their events based on a cult.
Yeah, and there's no denying it.

1082
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:41,239
They do it. And when people
say, oh, I don't want to

1083
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:45,000
hear about that, well you're cheating
yourself out of some very value information that

1084
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:48,479
can actually protect you. Yeah,
all right, because they love to tell

1085
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,920
you what they're going to do before
they do it. What happened the last

1086
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,359
three years was predicted in a novel
back in nineteen eighty. They said there

1087
01:18:56,359 --> 01:19:00,680
would be you're familiar with that.
They were I forget the name, but

1088
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:06,640
he predicted Um now I don't believe
it would actually happened, but he was

1089
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,279
setting the narrative forty years ago that
that's what the official narrative will be in

1090
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:15,199
there twenty twenty. It will be
a respiratory virus. Right, And he

1091
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,720
wrote that in a novel that that
will happen in here twenty twenty. Well,

1092
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,720
that brings me to another point.
I don't know if the two of

1093
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:25,319
you are familiar with the famous variety
show here that used to exist fifty years

1094
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:30,479
ago in the U United States,
and it was called Laughing And yeah,

1095
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:34,760
yeah, yeah, exactly, Roman
and Martin, I believe, yeah,

1096
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:40,399
yeah, So they used to do
a skit every night they do a news

1097
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:44,920
item, and this one particular news
item with this show aired in nineteen sixty

1098
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,560
nine, and this is nineteen sixty
nine, and they had the skit was

1099
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:58,119
twenty years ago. Today President Reagan
will reside over the fall of the Berlin

1100
01:19:58,199 --> 01:20:01,760
Wall. Wow. Yeah, wow, was right twenty years before and it

1101
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:06,720
happened. They predicted it. That's
pretty eerie. I didn't know that.

1102
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,319
How is it they picked Reagan and
not anyone else? Yeah, because at

1103
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:15,279
some time he was just like a
like a B movie actor. It wasn't

1104
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,479
He's like and I think he was
governor of California, and but he was

1105
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,840
at best a B movie actor.
But he didn't become president in the nineteen

1106
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:28,880
eighty one yet nineteen sixty nine.
They flippantly make a prediction. Yeah,

1107
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:31,199
that's you know, they like to
tell us what's going to happen before it

1108
01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:35,840
happens. On a slightly different note, M, what do you think is

1109
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:42,399
going to happen with the Trump situation? Yeah, Di'd be watching that one

1110
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:48,520
very closely. Obviously we're looking at
a witch hunt, to say the least.

1111
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:55,800
I think I wouldn't be at all
surprised. Look when we go back

1112
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,640
and look at the last three to
four years, especially over the Trump's presidency.

1113
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:02,920
One thing that Trump did that a
lot of people are now starting to

1114
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,520
appreciate, even those who hated him
back then, is that he, either

1115
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:12,479
on purpose or inadvertently, brought about
the narrative. He brought this narrative out

1116
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,359
into the open, right, So
a lot of stuff that a lot of

1117
01:21:15,399 --> 01:21:18,319
things that we would never talk about
in the open, we're now talking about.

1118
01:21:19,119 --> 01:21:26,920
And I think that the um the
messages from Q in the last several

1119
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,600
years, I think that's probably if
you look at the messages of Q.

1120
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,159
Let's say, if you go back
and pick a date in twenty nineteen,

1121
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,600
and he would say in two thousand
and twenty three, such and such a

1122
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,000
such a thing will happen, and
he's and Q was absolutely right. Now.

1123
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,880
Q is not one individual. I
believe Q to be UM. I

1124
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:50,039
think Q is a group and it's
backed up by a very sophisticated computer.

1125
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,279
UM. Very sophisticated, I mean
technology that we're probably not aware of.

1126
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,479
How else can anybody make these accurate
predictions, these key messages that are coming

1127
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:06,119
out. I think Trump was part
of I think he was approached years before

1128
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:12,680
and asked to play this role.
And I think that what's happening right now

1129
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,640
is is that it's hard to believe
that Trump is an outsider, can considering

1130
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:20,039
the fact that he's been an insider
for for many decades. But it seems

1131
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:26,920
that there's some evidence now. I
believe that Trump may have actually been pulled

1132
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:32,039
back to a point where we need
somebody with a name that he has,

1133
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,720
and somebody who's going to bring awareness
to what is happening now. And I

1134
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,319
don't think I think this will lonely
helped Trump. That's what I'm getting at.

1135
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:44,439
I think whatever is happening right now
will only helping the two twenty and

1136
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,319
twenty twenty four election. That's the
way I'm seeing it. I'm not against

1137
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:53,800
Trump. I think what I appreciate
about him is controversial. But you know

1138
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,000
what, I want the most controversial
person you can put in there. I

1139
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,640
don't want this, you know,
I hear this nonsense. I hear people

1140
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,600
say, oh, well, we
need somebody's going to who's who's not going

1141
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,920
to polarize us? Oh hell with
that. I want polarization because I want

1142
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:10,880
people talking, right, and Trump
does that. I want people talking.

1143
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,920
I want you to get it out
and let's talk about it all right.

1144
01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:16,720
Don't have to fight with each other, because that's really what they want.

1145
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,279
But we're not doing that. We're
going to talk about it. So I

1146
01:23:20,319 --> 01:23:25,479
think Trump has been good for the
narrative in my opinion. I think it's

1147
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:30,159
been good for ann and I think
what's happening right now maybe planned. I

1148
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,680
think Trump expected this. I think
he saw this coming, and Nicky knew

1149
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:38,079
this was coming. Remember what he
said two years ago when he left office.

1150
01:23:38,079 --> 01:23:41,039
The very day he left office,
he said the best is yet to

1151
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:45,880
come, because it's it's kind of
kind of depressing from our point of view

1152
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,119
because it looks like the Communists are
basically taken over. Yeah, no,

1153
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:53,560
you're right. Um, there's a
lot of Communists infiltration that goes back actually

1154
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:59,680
to the right, back to the
Kennedy assassination. That's that's a connection to

1155
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,800
the Kennedy assassination. And what is
happening now. I mean you go back

1156
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,039
even further. I mean you have
to go back even further than Kennedy assassination

1157
01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:10,720
and go back to nineteen thirteen with
the Federal Reserve Bank. That is a

1158
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,920
tool by the Communist is one level, but there's even a force higher than

1159
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,960
a communist and a communa and what
they have done in the last fifty sixty

1160
01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:23,279
years, and that in part is
what the Kennedy assassination was all about,

1161
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:29,399
to so disrupt society, to affect
the American psyche on a level, on

1162
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,960
a very basic level, that make
them vulnerable to infiltration. And since that

1163
01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:38,000
point, a lot of American institutions
here in Canada as well, I mean

1164
01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:43,640
Trudeau, the son of you know, Fidel Castro, Right, we've had

1165
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:51,560
infiltration, Communist infiltration starting virtually the
day after Kennedy was assassinated. They've invaded

1166
01:24:51,760 --> 01:25:00,920
Hollywood, They've even infiltrated Hollywood,
academia politics. But that's becoming exposed now

1167
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,239
and I'm a little A year ago
of you would ask me this, I

1168
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:09,800
was. I was worried. I
was worried that we may actually lose UM.

1169
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,960
But I'm a little more encouraged now
because there is a lot of this

1170
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:17,479
is a huge blackclashic eg woke in
the youth, and you'll you'll find it

1171
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:23,600
in the comments sections. So if
you have something crazy woke that's that's on

1172
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,119
social media, whether it's YouTube or
Facebook or something. The key is not

1173
01:25:27,159 --> 01:25:29,560
to look at the article, look
at the comments this is. This will

1174
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,279
give you the mindset and it's just
being obliterated, which is great. You're

1175
01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:36,760
absolutely right. And there's one other
thing I like that to that UM when

1176
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:42,199
it comes to Trudeau over here in
Canada, UM one of I find very

1177
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:47,960
interesting and I always I like to
also gauge UM things from a local point

1178
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,359
of view and see where it's going, because locally usually says a lot too,

1179
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,359
like what are your next door neighbors
thinking, what are your friends thinking?

1180
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:59,279
What is the person in the restaurant
thinking, and most of my friends

1181
01:25:59,279 --> 01:26:02,439
are liberals, all right, my
wife and I, Um, it's interesting,

1182
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,000
we're sort of the odd people out. But most of them are liberals.

1183
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,680
But what's happening with them? And
most of them were in liberal world

1184
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:14,159
of course Trudeau supporters. But nine
out of the ten people we have talked

1185
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:17,760
to in terms of being liberal supporters
no longer support Trudeau. Oh yeah,

1186
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:21,920
he's got one of the lowest approved
racings on earth, fully to twenty five

1187
01:26:23,279 --> 01:26:28,720
apparently exactly. I think he is
now officially the most hated prime minister this

1188
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,880
country has ever had. He's one
of the worst people on this planet.

1189
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:39,239
This is a man behind murdering people's
dogs who are protesting against the jibby jab

1190
01:26:39,239 --> 01:26:43,119
the Auchi fauci. He acactly wanted
his own police force to go up to

1191
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:46,199
people the truck is honking their horns, take their dogs away and murder them.

1192
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:49,079
That's what this is actually. I
mean, they were they were putting

1193
01:26:49,119 --> 01:26:51,479
up bouncy castles, you know,
on the streets, and they were called

1194
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:55,479
terrorists. Right, he's truckers,
you know, for the for the kiss,

1195
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,600
they have a little fun, and
they were called terrorists, And it

1196
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,520
was embarrassing watching the mainstream media because
they went to great lanes, they did

1197
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,600
everything they could to try to discredit, and all they ended up doing was

1198
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,079
given the truckers more support. In
terms of the Canadian public, I mean,

1199
01:27:10,119 --> 01:27:14,359
the response was absolutely overwhelming. Well, it's very interesting about that is

1200
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,159
the millions of people that came out
and lining the streets when the truckers were

1201
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:24,760
converging on Ottawa and they were lining
in the streets in support of the truckers,

1202
01:27:25,079 --> 01:27:29,960
and it is that one moment in
our history, excuse me, that

1203
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:33,359
really changed events for the better.
It was after that that the mandates dropped.

1204
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,239
Yeah, yea, but not before
they got a lot of damage done.

1205
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,439
I mean, when I look at
my family and most of my friends,

1206
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,399
most of them fell for the narrative
and a lot of them are on

1207
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:50,239
their fish shot and it's pretty freaking
scary what's happening to know. I'm seeing

1208
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:55,000
the effects of on them now and
it's really starting to worry me. So

1209
01:27:55,039 --> 01:28:00,439
anybody wants to comap me and tell
me that I'm spewing disinformation, I refer

1210
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,439
you to my family, I refer
you to my friends. I refer you

1211
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,560
to my next door neighbors. I'm
seeing him with them. They've all bought

1212
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:13,039
it. An they're they're having effects
from this medical intervention. I don't want

1213
01:28:13,039 --> 01:28:15,479
to say it on air here,
but you know what I'm getting at.

1214
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,880
But so, but the good news
is that even they themselves are turning on

1215
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:25,079
Trudeau. Yeah, so that's the
good thing about as China. Don't you

1216
01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:28,720
probably say that she does. Oh
yeah, he thinks trying to does a

1217
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,000
tremendous job in controlling its citizens.
And you know he was blunt about that,

1218
01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:35,479
wasn't he. I mean, it
was incredible. It was incredible what

1219
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,479
he said. I mean, it
was just unbelievable that he would actually say

1220
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:44,800
that, and a democratic country,
considering his father was a non Marxist right

1221
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:48,439
right before he before he shifted over
to the liberals, because that was his

1222
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:54,359
chance to gain power his dad back
in the sixties. It's incredible. One

1223
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:58,600
thing that a lot of people seem
to forget is that that politicians like Trudeau

1224
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:04,720
and the the the the rats that
run the World Economic Forum, they have

1225
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:11,359
they have intelligence, right, but
overall they're not smart people. They really

1226
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,079
really like they're just they're sitting beside
themselves to this day and wondering what the

1227
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:18,119
hell went wrong We thought we had
control over the last three years. I

1228
01:29:18,119 --> 01:29:24,560
think they leave their own bullshit.
Yeah, well that's what narcissists do,

1229
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,960
right, Yeah, right, I
mean, I mean, you know,

1230
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:31,039
they they grew themselves in the mirror
in the morning. Well that's not working

1231
01:29:31,039 --> 01:29:35,960
for Claus Schwab very well, is
it. I've just got this image of

1232
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:40,880
Trudeau wherever he goes, he's got
like a little personal hand mirror, and

1233
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,000
he's got his and his comb and
he's just doing this. Yeah yeah,

1234
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:47,640
yeah, just like a peacock everywhere
he goes. Well, you know,

1235
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,319
I got a it's just a funny
story about that. I was in New

1236
01:29:50,359 --> 01:29:55,760
York Um last month for my wife
and I. We dropped down, we

1237
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,560
got some family there. We came
back and I was talking to somebody who

1238
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,600
set the road here from me,
and she says, oh, I guess

1239
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,760
she missed all the excitement. I'm
in a liberal riding. Okay, So

1240
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:11,239
this liberal riding is part of Trudeau's
cabinet. The person the politician here is

1241
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:15,199
in his cabinet. So there was
a huge protest right down the street here,

1242
01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:20,720
and I moved out of Toronto two
years ago during the during the height

1243
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:25,279
of the COVID scared the COVID propaganda. I mean, I moved out of

1244
01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:30,800
Toronto because it was unbearable to be
there. Everybody was their neurosis was it

1245
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,479
was too much to deal with,
right, So we got out of there.

1246
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,720
Anyway. She was telling me there
was a huge protest right down my

1247
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:43,000
street here against Trudeau. And this
is a liberal riding. So that tells

1248
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,359
you everything you need to know.
Everywhere he goes, he's heckled. Yeah,

1249
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,880
the stream media doesn't tell you that, but we see it. It's

1250
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:55,279
interesting how the mighty fall because the
communist leader of New Zealand a dirt and

1251
01:30:55,319 --> 01:30:59,199
just in a dirt and she just
suddenly Adam, is she a dame now

1252
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,800
or something? Oh, yeah,
she's been made a dame now. And

1253
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:09,079
uh. And there's there's something she
made about some journalists asked her about mandates

1254
01:31:09,079 --> 01:31:11,880
and making things compulsory, and she
said, yes, yes, I will

1255
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:18,359
make it me indigreat like a like
a crazy communist leader. But also yeah,

1256
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:23,279
sorry, go ahead. So you've
got a Scottish leader called um Nicholas

1257
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:27,800
Urgeon, who's again one of these
woke crazy you know, communist type people

1258
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:30,399
shutting down freedom of speech. She
hates freedom of speech, and so she

1259
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:34,399
she suddenly, this is funny.
She was hind quickly for no reason.

1260
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,960
I just thought that's a bit odd. Recently, she's now been arrested for

1261
01:31:39,159 --> 01:31:45,359
flaud and she's had her garden home
digged up twice, digging up her garden,

1262
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,319
her back garden, looking for evidence. God knows what they're looking for.

1263
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:51,000
But yeah, it's it's interesting how
they're falling one by one. Well,

1264
01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:56,000
do you know that the Scottish,
the the that was the former or

1265
01:31:56,039 --> 01:32:00,239
that prime Minister of Scotland, but
the head of starting smister. Yeah,

1266
01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:03,279
first minister that made the mainstream media
over here that she was arrested it wow,

1267
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:09,840
yeah, yeah, I was pleasantly
surprised. They went with my morning

1268
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:15,359
coffee. I was enjoying it the
moment. Trude miniature, shrunk, Scottish

1269
01:32:15,359 --> 01:32:18,880
and female, and you'll get an
idea of what she's about. Well,

1270
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,680
isn't it interesting? They're all falling
like dominoes. And this was predicted by

1271
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,239
Q like a couple of years ago, and they're all fall like dominoes.

1272
01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:30,159
That's exactly what we're seeing. I'm
a little concerned about Australia though they seem

1273
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:34,960
to still have a foothold there,
right, so I kind of worry about

1274
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,359
that, but they're falling like dominoes. They don't have the grip here in

1275
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:43,159
Canada that they did. Now we
still having said that Canadians tend to be

1276
01:32:44,199 --> 01:32:48,920
who. As I was watching on
your show, your video, I'm not

1277
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,079
sure if it was with Beata or
someone else. I know somebody was talking

1278
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:57,880
about nice people. Canadians are nice
people, but I think actually, Andy,

1279
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,279
you were talking about that and he
said that, yeah, yeah,

1280
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:04,960
and he said that that's right.
Naive but naive and a little too passive

1281
01:33:05,319 --> 01:33:10,600
for my liking. And I think
that's going to change, because I do

1282
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:18,199
believe now there's a lot of rumblings
within all levels here of government and the

1283
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:24,199
media on the medical intervention. I
think that's going to break through because there's

1284
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:29,560
a lot of backlash starting to build
here. I think Canadians have their limit,

1285
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,319
and I think that maybe their limit. So I'm hoping if we ever

1286
01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:36,479
talk again, we can get into
some other matters like the Hoo Treaty,

1287
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:42,079
which is very scary too. People
should be oh god, Dad, Yeah,

1288
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,479
the Hoot treaty For anyone listening who
doesn't know what that is. If

1289
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,600
you think mass mandates and actually found
your mandates and COVID mandates who are crazy

1290
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:54,279
and draconian and barbaric upon the people, Well guess what our world governments are

1291
01:33:54,279 --> 01:33:58,079
about to sign up with? Who
who would have the final say should another

1292
01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:02,000
pandemic come our So if another pandemic
comes along, every country is going to

1293
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:08,640
basically do what who says and who
controls who? Mostly China and Bill Gates

1294
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:14,239
yeah, and rods adultry. Yeah, I've heard this one. Have you

1295
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:18,279
heard this one? So they've actually
said some news channel that they want to

1296
01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:24,039
cut food production in order to help
climate change. The US needs to cut

1297
01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:27,800
down on the amount of food that
it produces. Well, guests who owns

1298
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:32,960
apparently the majority of agricultural land in
the United States, Bill Gates? Now,

1299
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:38,079
isn't that a coincidence? So the
next tactic, I think is to

1300
01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:43,079
starve people for climate change. Help
the planet by starving yourself. Well,

1301
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:50,439
that's exactly what happened during the Bolsheburk
Revolution when when they assassinated the bizarre and

1302
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:55,680
killed his family. I mean,
that's exactly what happened there. What they

1303
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,600
did was since they cut off supply
lines and they starved like they starved,

1304
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,920
like twenty million people to death.
And that's what they're trying to know.

1305
01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:08,000
They can't do it blatantly like they
did back then. But there are signs

1306
01:35:08,039 --> 01:35:11,439
that it is happening here. But
there are also signs that a lot of

1307
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,439
people are now starting to become aware
of it. Yeah, we're starting to

1308
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:20,680
look at local remedies, like connecting
with a local farmer and working out some

1309
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,560
kind of business arrangement. I'm in
a condo. I can't grow my own

1310
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,560
food in the balcony, right,
But what we can do is connect with

1311
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:32,960
a farmer and maybe work out some
kind of business arrangement where we can pick

1312
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:36,159
up, you know, some vest
fruits and vegetables on a monthly basis type

1313
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:39,920
of thing. So there are ways
around that, and I find what's going

1314
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:44,279
to happen is is people are going
to stay away from the large box stores,

1315
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,279
per se the corporate owned stores,
and start going local. And I'm

1316
01:35:47,319 --> 01:35:50,640
starting to see that too, So
there seems to be a counter offensive.

1317
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:57,439
But you're absolutely right. How is
it that it's at dozens of food processing

1318
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:01,039
plants just somehow blew up last year, you know what I mean, just

1319
01:36:01,359 --> 01:36:05,239
miraculously just blew up. I mean
it just happened, right, A dairy

1320
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,880
a factory blew up, Right.
I expect that from an oil refinery,

1321
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:15,239
but not a dairy factory. Yeah, you know, either dozens or hundreds

1322
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:16,600
of them, just again and again
and again. I've got somebody these shows

1323
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,439
me links. It's just incredible with
it just boom. Yeah, yeah,

1324
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:26,760
I mean it's it's it's but I
think and I'm I'm not sure. Yeah,

1325
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,479
but there seems to be some counter
push now the other way. So

1326
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,840
I think people are starting to become
aware of that. I mean, we

1327
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:39,159
had just h Senator John Kerry and
you're both from Union with Senator Kerry,

1328
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:43,840
former presidential candidate. He was blatant
about it just the other day. He

1329
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,319
wants farmers to stop growing food to
fight climate change. Yeah, freaking kidding

1330
01:36:47,319 --> 01:36:49,800
me. I think I think that's
the article I saw. And next sitting

1331
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:57,039
next to him was Bill Gates.
Oh, but the cameras take a hout

1332
01:36:57,079 --> 01:37:00,000
of yourself with Jeffrey Epstein. Let's
see how that works out. How many

1333
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:04,920
visits, Well, it's sixteen visits
on Lalita expressed to the p Yeah,

1334
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:13,720
yeah, Clinton Clinton for first class. Didn't he yet? Sorry, go

1335
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,880
ahead, on, I was just
going to suggest something. I mean,

1336
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,760
we've got to come to a close
soon. But I've been thinking about you

1337
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:24,560
know, you talk about assassination Z. We've been talking about Kennedy being assassinating.

1338
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,039
I know you're gonna be writing a
book about it, and you do

1339
01:37:27,239 --> 01:37:30,760
talk about it in your second book. You're going to quite a lot of

1340
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:38,960
detailer And there's obviously that historical footage
where you got um Kennedy. I think

1341
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,720
it might be in a stadium.
I think he said this speech kind of

1342
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:45,760
twice, so I'm not quite sure
which one I'm referring to. But he

1343
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,960
says, we choose to go to
the moon, not because it's easy,

1344
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:53,720
because it's hardens always people around him, and in the background, I think

1345
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:59,159
it's Lyndon B. Johnson, and
Kennedy is saying this speech, we choose

1346
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:03,399
to go to the moon. And
obviously Johnson was the guy that succeeded Kennedy

1347
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:08,680
after the assassination. But it's at
the point I studied, like the facial

1348
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:14,039
expressions of Lyndon B. Johnson whilst
Kennedy was saying that speech and he says,

1349
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:16,079
we will go to the moon blah
blah blah blah blah. And you

1350
01:38:16,119 --> 01:38:21,840
can see Lyndon B. Johnson's sort
of frown or smirk or do some some

1351
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,960
weird expression as if I said,
oh, that's a lot of crap or

1352
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,760
something like that. You know,
it's really really worth as checking out because

1353
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,840
most people have folksed on Kennedy saying
that famous speech, and I thought,

1354
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:36,039
I'm just going to check the other
people out there and see what they're doing,

1355
01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:39,520
you know, how they're acting.
And he was a guy that was

1356
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:45,880
probably in the know about the assassination, and once he got control and things

1357
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:47,920
like that, you know, the
thing changed. But it's kind of like

1358
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,720
that he knew that they weren't going
to get to the moon from just looking

1359
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:56,600
at his expressions. I just suggested
people go and check that speech out and

1360
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,359
see what you think. You know, if you're good at I agree with

1361
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:03,359
you. And there's one more interesting
point about Lyndon Johnson. There is a

1362
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:09,079
video it's on YouTube. He came
out. He gave an interview to Walter

1363
01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:12,279
Concrete. This is after he left
office in nineteen sixty eight, so this

1364
01:39:12,359 --> 01:39:18,159
was nineteen sixty nine, and Walter
Concorde asked him about the For those who

1365
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:21,880
don't know, he's a CBS was
a CBS anchor, And Walter Concrede asked

1366
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:28,479
Johnson about the assassination and the Warrant
Commission report, and Johnson, sorry,

1367
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,239
yeah. Johnson came back and said
well, he said, um, I

1368
01:39:31,319 --> 01:39:38,199
think that there were international connections.
And Johnson and then Concrete came back and

1369
01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:41,960
said, well, it's that a
repudiation of the Warrant Commission. He said

1370
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,119
no, he said they did.
They were honorable men. They did a

1371
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:49,239
thorough job. But I think what
he was alluding to was the international connections,

1372
01:39:49,399 --> 01:39:55,279
not so much with you know,
Cuba or the Soviet Union or anything

1373
01:39:55,319 --> 01:39:59,199
like that, higher up, even
higher up than the World Economic Forum,

1374
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:02,479
even though the World Economic Forum at
that point didn't technically exsist him two years

1375
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,960
later, but it existed in another
form. So this is how deep the

1376
01:40:06,039 --> 01:40:11,039
Kennedy assassination goes. So I have
no I have no qualms about what you're

1377
01:40:11,039 --> 01:40:15,840
saying about Johnson. He was almost
mocking Kennedy. He knew, he knew

1378
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,880
what was coming and what wasn't coming, right, And it's interesting he left

1379
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:27,039
up as just before the official moon
landing. Hmm. There's a similar video.

1380
01:40:27,079 --> 01:40:30,000
I don't know if you guys have
seen this, and this is fascinating

1381
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:34,880
of a public announcement of a public
speech by President Reagan mid eighties, and

1382
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:39,800
he's got this I forgot who it
is, but this guy leaning over,

1383
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,840
looming over him and kind of like
telling him off and telling him not to

1384
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,720
say that or do say that.
So so Reagan is kind of like,

1385
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,840
ah, this, this and that, and this guy's going and you don't

1386
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,840
hear what this guy's saying, but
you can kind of let read and he's

1387
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,640
really having it out. And at
that moment, you just think Reagan's not

1388
01:40:55,720 --> 01:41:00,279
running the show. This Reagan's not
president here whoever, the fact this guy

1389
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,000
is, this guy is calling the
shots. Because this guy was telling reagano

1390
01:41:03,279 --> 01:41:08,800
and Reagan looked embarrassed, like a
little naughty schoolboy and then corrected himself.

1391
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:13,960
And I thought, that's so telling
about what the presidential situation is in I

1392
01:41:14,039 --> 01:41:20,119
have some I have some some some
small admiration for Reagan because he was compromised

1393
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:27,800
physically and then emotionally and mentally three
or four months into into his presidency and

1394
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,239
when with the attempted assassination and we
know now, I mean, there's lots

1395
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:36,439
of evidence out there the points in
the direction of his vice president at that

1396
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:41,560
time has been behind or at least
been in the knoll as to why he

1397
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:45,119
was supposed to be killed. That
didn't happen, but they did, They

1398
01:41:45,159 --> 01:41:48,079
did accomplish the fact that he basically
became a lame, dark president. He

1399
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:50,840
was very easy to control at that
point because let's face, he was in

1400
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:55,680
the seventies and he severely wounded and
he almost died, but he came back,

1401
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,520
but he was I don't think he
had the fight in them after that,

1402
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,960
and can blame the man you know, Um, it was, it

1403
01:42:02,039 --> 01:42:05,720
was, it was. It was
absolutely amazing that he recovered from his wounds

1404
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:12,720
at that age. When what are
the next Canadian um elections? When can

1405
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,800
you get rid of trudo? So
technically true can be in for another two

1406
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,479
or three years, but there seems
to be building memento. Um. He's

1407
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:26,000
right now supported by a socialist party, the NDP. Yeah, because he

1408
01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:30,199
has a minority government, he doesn't
have a majority, and there's now talk

1409
01:42:30,279 --> 01:42:33,239
up here of election interference as well, and very much like what's going on

1410
01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:38,600
in the States. I don't trust
these electronic voting machines. Um, And

1411
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,520
you can't even talk about it.
If you can't even talk about they're hiding

1412
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:44,479
something. Yeah, that's always being
sort of by where I'm at with us.

1413
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:47,760
So, Um, there is some
things happening here in this country.

1414
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:53,119
For example, in the province of
Alberta, which I'm not sure if piatas

1415
01:42:53,159 --> 01:42:57,359
from Alberta, if I'm not mistaken, Um, she might be anyway,

1416
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:03,960
Um, they just volded in a
far right conservative. The first thing,

1417
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:09,560
she came out and said that one
of the things that she found horrific in

1418
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:15,159
the last three years it was discrimination
against the unvaccinated. And she for a

1419
01:43:15,159 --> 01:43:16,840
politician to say that tells you that, hey, there might be some hope

1420
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:20,239
for that province. I mean they're
kind of like I liken them to Texas,

1421
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:25,800
you know, yeah, that kind
of thing, right, And so

1422
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:30,079
they've basically thrown out the socialists in
that in that province, and we're seeing

1423
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:34,399
them move now towards far right ideology. Now I'm not seeing that one ideology

1424
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:38,800
is better than the other. But
if you have to choose between an ideology,

1425
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,960
go right, don't go left.
Yeah, right, that's kind of

1426
01:43:42,279 --> 01:43:45,680
and then form your own opinion and
keep your eye on them as well,

1427
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,840
the ones you went with, right, because people really have to start thinking

1428
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,199
of themselves. Politicians are not going
to do it for you. They're out

1429
01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:53,319
there for you and me. They
never had been and never will be,

1430
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:57,800
So we have to pickick them in
check. Right. Wasn't it Trump who

1431
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:01,000
said he was asked about A fifty
one what did you find there? And

1432
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:04,840
you didn't say anything other than I
just found it very interesting? Yeah,

1433
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:10,920
yeah, yeah, yeah, cold, cold. Yeah. That's another thing

1434
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,520
too, when people say, oh, that's not true. Well they denied

1435
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,479
area fifty one for what for decades
until the CIA finally came out a few

1436
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,319
years ago and admitted it had existed
when we could all see it anyway,

1437
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:24,680
But it didn't matter, right.
I think we're gonna have to leave it

1438
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,119
there, gentlemen. But I mean, there's lots I could go on about.

1439
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,079
So I think we'll Randy back again
for a follow up, because I'd

1440
01:44:30,119 --> 01:44:35,079
still like to go into the JPL
Occult Connection in a Future, which was

1441
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:39,279
in your last book, where we
talked about the guy who is the founder

1442
01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:42,159
of one of the founders of jpl
or you you talked about him in your

1443
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:47,680
book, and we could go more
into the Kennedy assassination as well and see

1444
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,760
where that takes us as well.
So I'd like to invite you back at

1445
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,199
some future point if you're up for
that. Randy, Yeah, no,

1446
01:44:54,279 --> 01:44:57,520
i'd I'd be happy to come back
and chat some more. Excellent, But

1447
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:01,399
thank you very much for taking the
time out and joining Andy and Iron.

1448
01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:04,479
A very very interesting discussion. You
start off on one era, but you

1449
01:45:05,399 --> 01:45:11,600
wind and you go all through these
little I do. It's very interesting because

1450
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,159
it never comes out the way you
predict. But that's none of it,

1451
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:16,439
isn't it. So thank you very
much. And people can find your book

1452
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,479
on Amazon, can't they if they're
intrigued. Yea, yep. They can

1453
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:24,680
find it on Amazon. And you
can go to find me on YouTube,

1454
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,000
and I talk a lot about it
there and I put the links there,

1455
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:30,760
so easy to find. Okay.
So the title of your book, for

1456
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,199
those that want to know more,
is so the title is The Partment Missions,

1457
01:45:34,319 --> 01:45:40,840
Hiding Hulks and Playing Side Part one. Yeah, and this is part

1458
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,359
two, Part two, same kind
of title, but part two. And

1459
01:45:44,399 --> 01:45:47,359
it's very interesting because you go into
the technical side of the engines and you

1460
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,600
go into JPL, which is the
Jet Propulsional Laboratory. And yeah, the

1461
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:57,600
second book you also talk about the
Kennedy assassination as well. So yeah,

1462
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,479
very very interesting. It's very different
from what I would call a typical moonhoax

1463
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,840
book. It comes in at a
very different angle which I think is great.

1464
01:46:04,279 --> 01:46:08,439
So thank you very much once again, Randy Walsh joining us from Canada,

1465
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,680
and thank you Pleasure who was a
pleasure being here. Thank you,

1466
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,600
Thanks Andy for coming on once more
to join us on the Paranormal Peep Show,

1467
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,920
and thank you to our audience for
listening. And we'll catch you next

1468
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,920
month. Look out for us on
YouTube, on Rumble, on all the

1469
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:30,359
spreakers and other platforms, downloadable podcasts, stations, anything you can find us

1470
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:35,680
someone We're probably be there somewhere looking
so checking out now from the Paranormal Peep

1471
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:40,199
Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. We'll catch you next month. And

1472
01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:44,520
the final thing would be if Mike
Barra is listening or anyone notes of Mike

1473
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,640
Barra, if he would like to
come on the show. He's quite welcome

1474
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:50,199
to because he claims he's written a
book and repudiated everything that we're talking about.

1475
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:55,479
Put your money where out. Yeah, come, come and join us.

1476
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,640
Mike, if you're listening here from
you Cherich, all right, take

1477
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:11,159
care, all thanks you, good
night. I don't