You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
Peep Show. Hello, welcome to the July edition of the paran or Peep
Show, where you joined myself, Neal Ward and also Andy Chaplain. So
Andy, how are you again? Yeah? Pretty good? Hey day,
I'm fine. I've been busy on the psychic development front, actually, because
I was telling you about how I've been doing these demos at the Weymouth Spiritual
Center and things are kind of getting interest in there because I remember discussing recently
how this medium recently brought back someone's horse, and she said the horse was
marching up and down the aisle, which I thought was a bit bizarre and
strange. I mean, we kind of had a laugh over that. But
interestingly enough, I was doing this reading, I seem to some reason be
picking up a lot of information about these two ladies that were friends sitting at
the front, and I got some really bizarre things I was picking up.
I picked up name Ruthless, which was her nephew, and I started going
to this background about how someone had a really major issue at a lake and
it turned out that one of their family nearly drowned, and I kind of
picked up on that, and then I'll started getting things where I could see
these hands and fingers in my mind's eye, and I knew that something medically
wrong with these hands, but I wasn't sure what something medical was wrong with
them. So I said, does someone in your family have some problem with
their fingers, either yourself or someone in your family. I said, I
can see something wrong with your fingers. I don't know what it is,
but there's some issue there with the fingers. And she said, yes,
my father and my brother, and they're both deceased, and they were the
ones that are coming through to me. I think they both had this genetic
problem in their family where they were both born with instead of thumbs, they
were born with like big toes on their hands, which was really strange.
Now, I obviously didn't see big toes in my mind's eye, but I
just got the feeling there was something wrong with the fingers in the family,
and I didn't know what. And then she confirmed that, yeah, they're
both born with big toes. So it went from the father down to the
sun, these big toes born on your hand, and she said felt Fortunately
for her, she wasn't born with this big toe issue, and obviously it
wasn't visible to me there that I picked up on it. But then the
next thing I got Suddenly, as I was talking about that, I suddenly
got this thought someone had someone here has got a pet snail or had a
pet snail, and it sounds really crazy. Oh, come on, who's
you know? Why am I picking that up? And the lady next to
her as her friend, said yeah, I could confirm that I had a
large African snail. And they're the huge ones, the banana's hole and these
huge record breaking African snails. I remember seeing it on record break as many
years ago as a kid. But she confirmed, and then I suddenly got
the age of it. I said, did it die when it was nine
years old? Because that's what popped into my head, and she said yeah,
she said it died maybe about eight and a half years old. So
I was kind of close to her, and I thought, how bizarre.
You know. Now, I wasn't suggesting that that the snail was coming back
to saying hello everybody here, I am. I just picked up on the
fact that she had got a pet snail in the past. I'm not one
of those sorts that's going to bring animals back and they're going to say hello,
remember me, because I think that's the well daft. Maybe maybe I'm
being a bit closed mind on that, but you know, sometimes I have
to draw a line somewhere. Feelings, it's not the start. You don't
really get human kind of language being spoken, being get feeling. Yeah,
that's right, you get. I got an emotional connection with most of the
stuff I was picking up, so but yeah, I didn't get any kind
of you know, feelings from a snail, but it was just a very
interesting thing to get. So but yeah, this lady was taking everything,
everything down to the weirdest stuff. And sometimes it's the weirdest stuff, like
having a pet snail can be the best evidence because not everyone has had a
pet African snail in their life, you know. And so yeah, and
she had it for nine years, so it's certainly a major part of her
life. I would say, you know, Rod, and having a pet
snow you're put in a matchbox for a day and it disappears or something.
So yeah, cool. So what about your stuff? How is your tuning
events going? Yeah, very busy at the moment, so lot tons going
when it's been another a look and let's see what we're doing. Going to
Facebook tuned in events, tune with the events. We've got a lot of
things coming up all over really hot here Essex, North London, beds to
cheer all over cool. Okay, we'll stay tuned for that. Everyone on
tuned in events and if you want to have a psychic reading, see some
demos happening and see Andy at work with his friends, pop along to one
of the events around the Hartfordshire area. We're also before we move on,
we're kind of constantly developing what we do and how we do it. So
it started off being kind of psychic ones to one readings and then we bolted
on demos with that kind of like immediately actually talking about kind of working an
audience type demos. We're now also both boulting on ghosts doors so as well
as ones ones and medium to the group, some of our readers actually do
ghost books and ghosts events and were apparing or investigatings and that, so some
of them are going to be retailing ghost story to various things. I knew
the public area and think incinity of para movement, mate, Yeah, that's
the way cool, cool, excellent, excellent. I love good ghost stories,
always helpful to getting to help you get to sleep at night. Right,
I think it's time to bring in our guests then some of that I've
been looking forward to chatting to. We haven't chatted to him for quite a
while. In fact, the last time we chatted to our guests was just
as the COVID nineteen pandemic was becoming big time stuff, and so we had
a chat with him on The Apollo Detectives, which is another show that Andy
and I partake with ben Emlyn Jones and Marcus and the Career if you if
you're familiar with that show. So I'd like to welcome back to us on
the Paranormal Peep Show for a change. Randy Walsh from Canada. Hello,
Randy, are you there? Yes? How are you? Neil? Andy?
Oh? Randy heyd that that too bad? And yes, it's been
of a four years. Good to see both of you again. Seems like
just yesterday, yea, Yeah, time flies, time flies. Well,
you've been very very busy, haven't you. Because you've been I mean the
first time I suppose to you just brought out your first book. Yeah,
because based upon your research of the Apollo missions, and then not long after
that you brought out a second book. So I think, I mean,
we're all going to other areas, but I think we'd like to start off
with the Apollo missions. But obviously you've you've got a history because you're a
pilot, and so this is an unusual thing for an Apollo hoax researcher because
that's obviously what going to be discussing normally most pilots. But say, of
course the Apollo missions were real. You know, I'm a pilot, I
know what I'm talking about. You know nothing, but it's kind of a
turn on that really. So I'd like to go back to your history though,
because obviously you were a space fan as a kid. You born in
Ireland, ended up in Canada in the late sixties, just as the Apollo
missions are really picking up the piece. What was your memory back then of
the Apollo missions and how did you then view them? Yeah, very interesting.
Actually emigrated with my family to Canada from Dublin, Ireland back in nineteen
sixty seven. I believe it was December nineteen sixty seven, so it was
a good two years before the actual supposed first landing on the Moon. But
of course during that period, the Apollo missions were ramping up, and you
know, they were promoting it, and we were hearing about it in school
and so forth. And so long story short, two years later, here
I am a little nine year old in grade nine or sorry, no,
grade no, no nine, grade five or something. I don't almost like
four or three or four, something like that, but anyway, what I
remember, and it was very interesting, It's very fascinating actually. So we
were all in school brought down to the auto orium, so it was like
a gymnasium turned into an auditorium, and it was about five or six hundred
kids there, and there was this little black and white TV in a corner
and I'm, you know, for a distance, not realizing what was going
on, but you know, you know, it's a big moment and you
don't fully understand it as a child, right, So, and I was
for the launch of Apollo eleven. So that was my first sort of how
shall I exposure to a real event like Apollo eleven, and how can it
not make an impact on a nine year old? I mean, how can
it not? And of course from there I became everything about Apollo. I
became such a space enthusiast for the next one I would say probably about what
fifteen twenty years. I believed in the whole narrative. I bought into it.
I used to buy the you know, back then, of course,
for a lot of people who this new generation, they used to sell these
little paper models of the Apollo spacecraft, and of course I was always wearing
them out and getting new ones, and you know, so it was everything
Apollo for about fifteen twenty years. So, I mean, my transition from
believing in the official narrative to where I am now, um is a marked
difference. There is quite a contrast. And I don't I'm speaking to myself,
but I'm sure other people have. Many people have had the same experience.
So yeah, so that's how I sort of got introduced into introduced to
the Apollo missions. The heroes, m and you've got an interesting aviation.
Sorry, Andy, At what point you can start getting a little bit suspicious?
I think I think was probably asking something before that. We'll get into
that. Yeah, well, actually no, that's a good question, and
what I can do is lead up to that. So in my twenties,
I always, of course having a love of the space industry. What's the
next best thing that I could do that's practical. I was never We're going
to be an astronut while it's fly airplanes. And I've always had a lot
of airplanes, even before actually the Apollo missions. So when I was old
enough, had enough money, I went and did some flight training, liked
it, and from there it just took off, pardon the pun, It
just took off. And and so I got my private license, and I
think it was about another ten years, you know, accumulating experience and then
upgrading to my commercial pilot's license, and then from there I added some more
endorsements, like you know, twin engine endorsement, and I needed to get
an instrument rating because an instrument rating is really imperative if you're going to go
into this commercially. So by this time I was in my late thirties and
something, something very interesting happened one night. I actually I come home from
work, switched on the TV as I usually do, and I was just
walking back and forth, and I wasn't really paying much attention to while they
was saying. But it happened to be a documentary on the poly missions,
and I remember it got my attention when they were talking about the gravity assist
or the sling shot around the Moon. And I knew enough about the poly
missions at that point that they were talking about Apol thirteen and what they were
talking about was the explosion in the oxygen tank which led to an almost disaster
and they had to use they couldn't use engine power, they couldn't use the
service module engine power, so they had to use gravity assists to get themselves
back to Earth. And so I was listening to this and this really caught
my ear and I now know it was Jim Lovell, Jim Level Commander,
Jim Lovell, and he was talking about how they had to fire the lunar
module engine when they came around the dark side of the Moon, and to
fire the fire edge to put them on track you back to Earth. Well,
what he said here was very interesting. When he said, and I'm
paraphrasing here, he said, Now he says, I was talking to so
and so, and I said, when I when I fired the engine,
no matter what you do, keep the Earth within the grid pattern on the
window. And he was talking about I don't all he's talking about the lunar
module window. I think he was actually talking about the optics INTERNUNI module,
because there's a configuration of the spacecraft officially speaking, at that time, the
lunar module window would have been facing down, so he wouldn't have seen the
Earth, So he's probably talking about the optics that they would choose to navigate
when they were landing on the lunar surface. So I felt that I found
that really interesting, and I was thinking, wait a minute, you're two
hundred and forty thousand miles from Earth and you're using manual and visual cues to
get yourself back on course. I knew right then that there was a problem
with the narrative because when you're that far away, if you have any any
kind of flying experience, it doesn't matter if you're a private potter, you
fly seven four seven, any kind of flying experience, you know something about
navigation, and you know how easy it is to go off course. And
if you're let's say a degree of course, just on a natural on a
cross country trip here from let's say where I am here a small city to
another small city, or you're going to be off track if you don't correct.
Now, use that analogy and think about navigating two hundred and forty thousand
miles away from the Earth with the Earth in a grid pattern, and all
you need to be is a fraction of a degree off course, and you
could be thousands of miles off your track and you would never get back.
In effectively, you'd be in an elliptical orbit forever because they didn't have the
propellant to get themselves back on course. So that right there told me there
was a problem. There was a problem with the efficial narrative. You would
have thought that they were using sophisticated computer navigation equipment. No, not really,
but they'd like to tell you that, but that's not exactly how it
really worked out. So that was my first, my first red flag.
So I kind of stuck with years that would be free Pong, wouldn't be
pre pom technology was that it would be pretty pong the technology you know,
the tennis game that I came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it once you plugged into the back of the TV. Yeah I remember,
yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. Um.
So it kind of went from there and it wasn't for about another I would
say, ten years when I started to really look into and start taking it
seriously, and that of course led to my research which then led to my
first book. So what I mean, obviously, for those that are not
familiar with the Apollo missions, Apollo eleven was allegedly the first one that landed
on the Moon with Neil Armstrong and Buzzle Drins, and then there was Apollo
twelve followed for my later I believe still in sixty nine. I think it's
like November sixty nine, something like that, and that's where they couldn't get
the camera's work because apparently one of the astronauts pointed the camera when it said
do not point at the sun, he pointed it at the sun. And
so they didn't really kind of have a mission that they could televise to the
audiences, which may have been in the planning because their moves sets maybe weren't
kind of ready if it was a fake thing. And then I think it
was nineteen seventy was Apolo thirteen, as you said, with Commander Jim Lovell,
and they had launched out there and just somewhere I think they were stirring
the tanks or something was the expression I've heard. Suddenly, those familiar with
the Apollo thirteen film. I probably much more on Q than I am about
that. But they had to stir up the tanks with the propellants or something
like that, and that's where they explosion apparently occurred in the command module,
which caused them to have a problem, which meant that they couldn't actually land
on the Moon. Now, one of the things I found interesting, and
it's what you alluded to them, was the navigation coming back. Now they
were still docked with the lunar module, was still docked or during the whole
mission virtually with the command module, and that's how they fly from Earth all
the way out to the Moon. And it's only at the point when they're
in all around the Moon and they're going to have a lunar touchdown, does
the command module and the lunar module separate and the lunar module goes down and
lands on the Moon. Now, obviously in this case they didn't do that.
They had to have bought a moon landing mission. So, as you
said, they tried this slingshot thing. And Jim Lovell's saying, right,
look out the window through your sextant or whatever that device may be, that
they're trying to navigate their way back, And I was thinking about this while
thinking, hang on a minute, this navigational sextant device is designed for use
on the lunar module only, you know, perhaps when they're taking off from
the Moon and they're navigating their way back up to the command module or something.
But if you've got the docked command module in front of the lunar module
anyway, wouldn't that, with the size of it, block the view of
any navigational devices anywhere, which they weren't designed to do. So I'm trying
to think, how on earth could they navigate their way through, you know,
looking like saying, through that top window which is on the ceiling from
their point of view, because that's looking at the front capsule end of the
command module. I mean, that's what struck me. I mean, I
don't know what people's thoughts are on that, but just from that point alone,
it wasn't designed to do that job anyway, and somehow Maraxi they were
using it. According to what it says on the script, Yeah, yeah,
they actually had a sexton on the command module as well, and then
weren't using that. They were using the one. Now, according to the
official narrative, the sexton on the lunar module was supposed to be used to
make sure that they had landed in the right location when they hit the when
they landed on the surface of the Moon, and I was supposed to confirm
that they are they were where they're supposed to be type of thing, right,
and and but you know, the narrative keeps changing, Neil, and
you and I can go back and forth and just till the cows come home,
but the narrative keeps changing, nas It keeps changing its own narrative.
First it was the keeping the Earth within a grid pattern on the lunar module
window, which was depicted in the movie Ron Howard's movie Apart at thirteen.
And then later on if I'm not mistaken, the physicist David Baker came out
of the book and they said, no is they were used in the sextent
in the lunar module to navigate back to Earth. Now, for people that
that understand navigation, people who don't understand navigation, either way, it's a
very precarious way to navigate because, first of all, yeah, you do
have to navigate by the stars. Ships. We're doing it successfully for hundreds
of thousands or for thousands of years using a primitive form and sexton to navigate
by the stars, and it was very effective more or less. But we're
talking about precision, precision navigation here, which is necessary. So the computer
would be programmed with a set of star star patterns, multiple star patterns.
It would still have to navigate. The ship would still have to navigate from
the Moon to the Earth. But in the case of the Apollo, it
was done with human input. In other words, the astronauts would be looking
at the stars through the sex and then they would be taking the coordinates and
feeding that into the computer. And that's the problem that I had with that.
That might work in Lower Thorpe, and even then that's very iffy,
but to actually navigate manually from from the Moon to the Earth at a distance
of an average of you know, two hundred and by the way, I
want to I just want to let one point out here. When they were
talking about Farney Engine, they were I think they were officially speaking, and
I'm speaking just within the official narrative. They were supposedly halfway back to them
to the Earth at that time, So I think there was something like one
hundred and fifty thousand miles up, but still navigating with that method, manual
method, one hundred and fifty thousand miles out. Yeah, no, I
don't think so. I don't think so at all. That's a red flag
right there, And there as many red flags as I got into my research,
many more red flags come up, but that was that was really the
first one. So again, just having just to answer your question, there's
really no firm answer to this, given that this narrative changes all the time.
I mean, I've seen it. Other researchers have seen it. I
know that Scott Henderson has seen it a lot in his research. He's actually
seen how they've updated their research when it comes to the film and photo photography
record anyway, to try to counter what people like us are saying. So
really I've come to just not take the official narrative seriously. I'm just trying
to use a little common sense now in this, and common sense is telling
me you cannot navigate one hundred and fifty thousand miles in space to Earth with
doing with a manual assist. You can't do it. You might have some
success on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, but you can't
do it in space one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Why you need a
computer to have all that information and star patterns and juxtaposition of the spacecraft to
the Earth and the Moon and the Sun and the stars to have that accuracy
that you need to get back in. Sorry on one time and the old
inclument out will Yeah, no, sorry, sorry, I had a little
trouble hearing your audio there. I don't know if you Mike needs adjusting.
Andy. It's a little bit low unless you're not. Maybe it's your settings,
maybe you're on a different mic or something. It sounds a bit noisy
anyway, but the head points on Andy, and I can might be able
the better. Yeah, I mean I can hear you, but it's very
noisy. That's better. It was supposed to be logged out and then logged
back into the beginning. Yeah, that's a little better. And since Microsoft
here technology for you, just a little offside because technology is so fantastic,
it doesn't recognize the microphone that I previously chose, so I now have to
choose it again. Of course there's technology for you, brilliant, but apparently
went to the moon using They say AI is gonna work great, but I've
got a clever trick up my sleeve because what happens with every show now,
I run at our audio through a very clever thing called a podcast studio or
something like that on Adobe. It's free to use for any podcas casts out
there. You upload your audio and ten minutes later process as long as it's
under an hour. So I have to edit it in chunks, and so
we should iron out that problem anyway using the podcast studio audio enhancers. So
it's a very little clever device there. But getting back to the Apollo technology,
one of the things that that kind of intrigues me about this navigating back
manually with a computer with Apolo astronauts coming back to the Earth is that they're
looking through their scope or sextant or whereveryth and they see the Earth and they're
saying, okay, aim for that and thrust us on full elt type of
thing. There they go. Now, the thing is is that the Earth
and the Moon are constantly in motion anyway, and so when you're aiming it
at that point, you're heading in that direction, but the Earth is going
to be moving slightly off, you know, over a period of hours or
something. So like you say, the degrees are going to get greater because
you're aim in there. But it's a movement to target. So unless you
kind of aiming to the left of the Earth so that you catch up with
us as it moves around, and it's all bails on that, I don't
quite know how that would be done. Really well, that's a very excellent
point, And just to talk about that for a second. You know,
you need when you launch a space filicle of any card, you need a
reference point because the computer has to reference that point in order to determine what
where you are at any specific time in space. So the reference point,
common sense, common sense would say the reference point would be the launch point.
Right. So now you've got the launch point, and you've got the
Earth's rotation, and we've also got the Earth moving, and then of course,
as you say, you've got the Moon on its path as well,
and it's moving, so the computer would be constantly having to update all that
data, and it's a lot of data, so they'd have to be taken
into account exactly what you just said, Neil, in terms of the Moon's
orbit around the Earth, because it is moving when the aircraft, when the
spacecraft is on route and coming back and well it's supposedly on the Moon,
so it has to account for all of that, and the juxtaposition of our
planet, the Moon, the Sun and the reference point which I mentioned earlier,
and the stars. That has to be all taken in a process that
has to be updated. I'm going to pick up figure here just out of
you know, out of the air, but every second I would have to
be updated. But that's not how the official version says it. That they
would be told by Houston, Okay, it's time to do a check,
so they would check the stars and see where they are. Everything's okay,
right. When the more you read about the official version, I'm just talking
purely about the navigational aspect of it. It is it's a clown show.
I mean, that's what it is, right. I don't think Monty Hython
could write a better skit, and and that that's that's the that's the bottom
line when it comes to their form of navigation. So, and we're talking
between Earth and the Moon millions of square miles, you're off by a fraction
of a degree. Screwed. Yeah, well, good Andy. Do you
want to say, have you have you come across a guy called Mike Barrow.
He's been he's been on a few TV shows on Sky, but he's
a he's an American guy, Mike Barrow that rings the bell. Give me
his background. So the shows that kind of shows he's been on his mostly
kind of UFO stuff, but he's also been on was the Moon hoax landing?
Was it? You know, was it hoaxed? And he he was
if you like the guy that would question it all, maybe it is a
hoax kind of thing, but his actual views that we did actually go,
and he kind of like wrote a book on it. Um. But yes,
yes, I think I think I talked about I think I read his
book. Yeah, I actually invited him because he's I put something up first
of all, kind of I added him as a friend on Facebook. It
took a while and he actually you know responded and added me as a friend
on Facebook. I then put up something about the moon being the moon landings
being a hoax, and he made some comment about I wrote a book about
this in support of the moon landings. We did actually go and everything else
is a crazy conspiracy theory. So what I did actually said that we've got
a thing called Apollo Detectives you want to come on and talk about it?
And he never responded. I never got a response, But I was just
going to ask whether, first of all, I want to put a shout
out if anyone knows Mike Barr or if he does listen, he probably wouldn't,
but if he does come across this, do come on the Apollo Detectives
with us, because we do need more people who support the moon landing so
we can talk about the technical data. But how this relates to you,
Randy? I was going to ask, have you come across him, have
you debated with him, argued with him, and have you got into the
technical aspects of it, because he claims to have the technical aspects sorted in
terms of why we did go. Yeah, no, I haven't had the
pleasure of going back and forth with him. Now that brings up another issue
is a lot of ide blew our thing credit for this he came on.
Of course, he's a pro Apollo. He's pro Apollo when he came on.
What I mean, we disagree with him, but what I did appreciate
about him coming on was that he was civilized and he wasn't in any way
out to I mean he acted a little childish in certain segments, but overall,
I thought he was pretty good in presenting his case. And even though
he did have help online, which is okay, I mean, he took
on five of us, so I mean, you know, I'll give him,
I'll give him, I'll let him have that. But at least he
was civilized. When you have proponents, most proponents will not come on in
debate. Now, Steve Mumbling came on debate because Steve Mumbling doesn't use evidence
to back up his point. He's a bully. That's what he does.
He uses abuse. And I mean I applaud all of you for staying the
course with him. I mean, I don't know how all of you did
it, but he didn't. He didn't present any evidence whatsoever to back up
his point. He kept he kept insulting people. He went after Scott Henderson,
kept insulting him, and it got to the point where a lot of
people, like my friends and family when we were watching this, a lot
of them just couldn't watch it. They just thought he was too negative and
that was sending out you know, that sense out a vibe and a sense
out of very negative vibe. And I really think that that's what he was
doing. Now, I don't know, maybe he was doing it subconsciously.
But most of the proponents that I have talked to you back and forth online
tend to descend into the abuse because they don't have and it's not necessarily you
don't have to have the technic knowledge. I'm not an expert. I'm not
a physicist, I'm not a mathematician. I don't pretend to be an expert
on the technical part of it, But I mean my flying and being a
pilot gives me a bit of a step up to it, you know,
where I sort of knew what I was getting myself into. But anybody can
reach their research this information. You don't have to have a mathematics degree or
physics degree, and that's what they always fall back on. You're not a
rocket scientist, you're not a physicist. M Yeah, but I'm not an
idiot either, okay. And you know, everybody has the ability to use
their own common sense, their own discernment and can research this from themselves.
But constant, constant theme with these proponents is to intimidate you and to elicit
an emotional response, which is what Steve Mumbling was trying to do. He
was actually trying to elicit an emotional response from all of you, and all
of you pretty well stood your ground. So again, applause to that.
And that's there. That's basically their their m that's what they do. So
I've had I've asked a few people um to come online on my video,
my own channel and have a chat, and all of them have said no.
Steve Mumbling asked me on his channel and I said no. I said,
first of all, I don't know who you are, right, And
of course after seeing him in and what he's like, it's just there's no
way I'm going to debate an abusive bully like that. You're not going to
get anywhere. You're not going to win, all right, He's going to
talk louder, he's going to talk over you. So there's no point.
So I'd have to say, Andy, Um, I'd have to see Mike
Barrett in action and others in action online, see what they're like, see
what their disposition is before I would agree to debate them, because I'm telling
you, it's just too much negative energy. If there's too much negative energy,
it's just not worth it. Yeah. Right, But again, like
I fall back on blue Earth thing and say well, we debated him and
that that was actually that actually went very well. I thought that whole interview
went well. So if he's listening, I'll give him credit for that.
Yeah, because this is it. I mean, the thing is, I
want to believe that man steps on the moon. It's not like I don't
want us to. I want to believe it. It's just that is there
the evidence to support it? And the more we're looking at it, the
more it seems like it's a giant hoax. Well, you know, it's
a very interesting point because I want to believe it too. I wanted to
believe it for even when I found out, when I decided, when I
had determined for myself that these missions were faked, I still want to believe
it and I don't. And then people say, well, you just don't
like anyone who is superior to you. Well, you know what, that
is a very childless thing to say. Neil and I have gone back and
forth on some music, and I love I love guitar. I love all
kinds of guitar. I love classical guitar, and one of my greats is
the Oh, the amazing Julian Bream. I think he's the number one classical
guitars in the world. I idolize him, even though I play guitar.
I'll never play like him, but he inspires me to do something that I've
always wanted to do, to enjoy. So to say that I don't appreciate
anybody who I think is superior, that may I'll come on, you know.
I mean that is a childless thing to say. I value the contribution
that Andrew Zogovia Julian Bream have made to classical music, classical guitar. They're
an example for us. They show us our capabilities. The Apollo Mission started
off that way. We all believed in it. They were our heroes.
I idolized them when I was, when I was younger, when I was
a teenager, even into my twenties and thirties. Not anymore. They're not
heroes. They were a deception. They were a deception, part of a
bigger deception that actually, I'll get into some other areas here for a second.
I just divert for a second. The last three years was a really
big example of that deception, and how the Apollo Moon hoax is part of
that deception. It's all part and parcel to it, all, all of
it in history, from going back to nineteen thirteen, the Fellow Reserve Bank,
up to the up World War one's World War Two, the JFK assassination,
the Paullom Moon Hulks nine to eleven, you name it. It is
all part of the same fabric. And that's what people have to start realizing.
They have to start connecting the dots. And it can only do that
from a forty thousand foot level. It's all ready to get into the details,
specifically when as it applies to one specific conspiracy fact, but you need
to elevate yourself at forty thousand foot level to look at the bigger picture and
see what's going on. And you see it. It's all connected and it's
all related. It's like going off in a slightly different direction. But it's
like David Ike says, he regards himself as a dot connector. It's not
hundreds of different conspiracy theories. It's a one big line deception that we live
in exactly. And David Ike, and that's his genius, is that he's
able to look at things from a forty thousand foot level and he connects the
dots, and he himself won't tell you he's an expert. He never says
he's an expert. He's never once said he's an expert. But he uses
what we all have and we're not using it. And people like David Ike
and others out there other truths who get slammed, then we'll get slam are
actually mentioning his name. Bring it on. I don't mind it, right,
but but he points out and you may not agree with everything he's saying,
but David I saying some of the stuff gets maybe a little out there
in left field, but I would say most of what he's saying is are
matters that people should be listening to it and looking into it for themselves.
If you're going to disagree with somebody, that's fine, disagree with them,
But how about doing a little bit of research yourself, all right, develop
your own point of view. Read both sides. I always say that,
and especially when it comes to the Paul missions. Read both sides. Read
the official narrative, and then read the conspiracy narrative, and then come to
your on conclusions. Why does Ramad seeing that? And I've been slammed for
seeing that I have seen lovely ram at that approach. You've also as well
as reading the other side and reading the conspiracy ideas behind the Moon landing,
you've also delved deeper than a lot of people, which you mentioned in your
books, where you studied the F one engines which are on the Saturn five
rocket and their performance, and you talked about the speed of them and how
much could they get up into orbit within a time frame and things. Can
you talk a little bit about that, because obviously you made it. I
mean, I've never seen anyone else talk about the F one engines apart from
there was one guy, I think it was in What Happened on the Moon
documentary and it was a guy who was a rocket kind of engineer. I
forget his name now he's actually passed away, but he talked about look at
the flame coming out the Saturn five and you'll see it's running rich on fuel
as something like that. It's not quite the color it should be. It
was a lot caller flame than if it was meant to be at full power,
it should be almost like a white hot flame, and this is more
of an orange flame. He said. They added more fuel to the mixture
to make it look more impressive or something like that. Can you talk a
little bit about your research into the Saturn five. Yeah, So the Saturn
five really relied on the first stage and the all powerful F one engines.
So to give to put that age respective the average rocket engine, I think
the most powerful range engine they had up until the sixty seventies. Even now,
each engine would produce a thrust of two hundred thousand pounds. I'm I'm
in American measurement here, so forgiving out there people, So it's two hundred
thousand pounds. So the F one engine one F one engine was designed to
produce one point five million pounds. That's one point five million pounds. So
what they needed to do that they needed that enormous amount of thrust, which
is what like ten times the average engine, right, So they needed to
develop the F one engine because they needed that amount of power and thrust to
lift the Apollo hardware into lower th orbit. That's just into lower orbit,
not to boost it to the Moon. The F one engines didn't have that
purpose. The purpose was is to get the apoll the Saturn five up to
an altitude of forty miles jettison the F one engines and then from there far
the J two engines to get it up into parking orbit, and then from
there the rest is history. Right now, the F one engines was the
most that still is classified as the most powerful liquid fuel engine ever built now
that was actually being worked on in the late nineteen fifties the US military,
and then when Eisenhower had signed into order the existence of NASA, they transferred
the F one engines over to NASA, but not a NASA as as,
not NASA per se, but Rocketdyne, but was oversaw by NASA, so
the corporation Rocketdyne was building the APP one engines. And this comes into play
now with Bill Casing, and Bill Casing has taken a severe beating over the
last several decades, but a lot of people missed Bill Casing's point. Bill
Casing was hired by Rocketdyne to oversee the latest developments at that time, so
he was obviously qualified to read the data, or they wouldn't have hired him
in the first place. So I don't understand why people are always ridiculing him,
telling him he was a paper push He was a paper pusher when he
was actually there to analyze the data. That was his function, and he
of course oversaw it was reading the data output for the F one engines at
the time it was in development in nineteen I think fifty nine, and he
had noticed that they were able to get a maximum of a million pounds of
thrust out of one F one engine for a millisecond. That was it.
It broke down after that. Yeah, and that's the only recorded data that
can be relied upon. And I'll get into that point in a minute.
Just bring me back to that point a second. So he continued on and
had noticed in subsequent years nineteen sixty, nineteen sixty one, nineteen sixty two,
because now the F one engines were adopted for use in the Apollo program,
right, so he noticed that he was seeing suspicious data output from the
F one engines. He was seeing it initially and then he was seeing it
changed later on, and he realized that the data for the F one engines
was being falsified to fit the narrative, because well, he was there.
He actually resigned in nineteen sixty three and discussed but he had realized that they
were falsified the data to fit the future narrative of the poly missions because at
that time the EP one engines were officially part of the Apollo missions nineteen sixty
one, sixty two, and sixty three. Right, and remember Kennedy had
announced the Apollo program in nineteen sixty one, landing him out in the Moon
and bringing the back report. This decade is out, so he resigned out
of disgust. So this gets into the individual you were just mentioning Andy earlier.
I read a paper by a Russian scientist. I put that in my
book, and he noticed with the launch of Apollo I think it was Apollo
six. Yeah, so there was two on manned launches of the Saturn five.
The one was the first of one was Apollo for the second one was
Apollo six. Now, before I get to that, so you have each
engine. You have five engines in the Saturn five first stage. Five engines,
So each engine as one point five million pounds of thrust for a total
of seven point five million pounds. Okay, that's a lot of power compared
out the average rocket maybe a million pounds for all engines combined. Here you
have seven point five million pounds of thrust for all engines combined, and they
needed that enormous amount of power to get the hardware to forty six ton hardware
into lower orbit, as I just mentioned earlier. So the question is when
we were watching the launch of the onmand launch of the Saturn five, and
with Apoly four and Apollo six, the two A man launches, where we're
actually seeing the F one engines at work or were we're seeing something different.
I have a theory on that, and it's just a theory. I can't
prove it right now, but I believe they did attempt to use the F
one engines in the first launch of Apollo four, the first amand launch of
the Saturn five, I don't think they were using full power and it seemed
to be a success. Then with the launch of Apollo six, Apollo five
was not was with Saturn one B launch, I'll get that out in a
minute. With Apollo six, they launched it and I think they tried to
use full power. They were trying to get that seven point seven point five
million pounds of thrust out of the engine, and that's when they had a
lot of problems. That was a near disaster, That that particular mission was
a near disaster, and any that's I think what you were talking about when
what was happening is this the flame was expanding beyond what it should have done,
and it was also changing color. And then you had also flame coming
out the side of the Saturn five I was launching. And he was able
to determine the scientists was a Russian scientists was able to determine by looking at
it that it was caro scene that was burning because they were using carrier scene
mixed with liquid oxygen for the F one engines, right, they were using
liquid hydrogen and the other engines, but they were using specifically cares for that,
and it was able to tell that the kerosene was not burning properly.
And he knows, I mean, he's a scientist. He knows kros needs,
he knows kerosene when he sees it. And that's what he saw what
Apollo six. So there was a major And I remember watching a documentary on
that mission, Apollo six, and an engineer was talking about that and he
said they had had astronauts on board the Saturn five, a manned long unch
to the Saturn five. With Apollo six, they would have had to abort,
that's how bad it was. They would have had to abort that mission,
the astronauts would have had to abort. So if I can just go
a little further specifically, what was happening is that the problems that they were
happening with the F one engines was this, So it had to do with
the cooling system. So you have this enormous F one engine, so you
have the you know, you have the engine parts up here, and then
you have the fuel injector, and then you have the combustion chamber, and
then you have the throat area and a nozzle at the bottom. Okay,
so let's focus on the combustion chamber of the F one engines. The temperatures
were arranging six thousand degrees fahrenheit in that combustion chamber and it needs to be
stabilized. So what they did was is they ran hundreds of cooling tubes on
the outside of the combustion chamber and they were pumping thirty seventy percent of the
propellant through the outside of the combustion chamber those little tubes that are on the
outside to absorb the thermal energy to try to stabilize because if you couldn't stabilize
the temperature, you'll have a distortion of the combustion chamber and you'll have an
explosion and you would lose you would lose the mission. Right. It was
those tubes on the outside, these hundreds of little tubes that were breaking down,
and because they were breaking down, the combustion chamber was becoming unstable duty
increase heat, which was causing it to basically misfire. So what was happening
is misfires the layman term I'm using here for technical people out there. All
right, don't come at me. Miss fire. They didn't have the clutch,
right, yeah, but what they were doing, So what was happening
is is because that rock was no longer in sync with the other four rockets,
you had what was called a pogo effect, and it was the pogo
effect on a longitudinal axis of the rocket that was causing a huge vibration and
that was leading to the loss of the rocket. That's why these engineers said
that if there had been a crew on board, they would have they would
have had to abort. Now, long story short, this getting technical,
so I'm going to kind of keep it short. A long story short.
It was only seven months later when they supposedly rectify the problems with the F
one engines that they were having because NASA had to admit it had a problem
with the rocket. It wouldn't specifically say the EP one engines, but they
did admit there was a problem with the launch of Apollo six, and then
from seven months later they went to not only launching another or Saturn five,
but this time they put a crew on board without any further testing. In
between Apollo six and Apollo eight, Paulo Waits, the first one that supposedly
orbited the Moon them back. Now, how is it that you're going to
risk the lives the three astronauts. I don't care if they're test pilots.
You don't risk a lot, you don't. You don't blame me risk people's
lives like that, even if they're test pilots, US military test pilots.
You don't blame me risk people's lives because if you do, in the program
fails, you'll get nobody else to come forward. Right, So, how
is it they went from Apollo six to Apollo eight in seven seven months without
any further testing, with all the renovations they had done to the F one
engines and the Saturn five rocket itself, without any further testing, no ground
testing, no actual testing the air. They just went straight from that near
disaster to putting a crew on board seven months later. Does anyone believe that?
M hmm sounds a bit of a miracle to me. It might be
the challenge disaster, isn't it of I think one of the tiles fell off
and that was during launch, wasn't it the challenger? Was the the oh
rings? Was it on the SRBs? A solid rocket boosters? Two large
rocket boosters strapped to the side of the tank. Oh, here we go,
this is so this is our rocket? Yeah? Yeah. So this
is a book by Eugene Rachel. He works for the he's affiliated in some
way with the European Space program, and he's a pro a pro apart opponent,
so he believes, he believes the whole official narrative. All right,
he's an engineer. He wrote this. He wrote a series of books there
for anybody who's interested in and the whole official narrative and the details and it
can get a bit dry, but the details these are the books that go
with He's got a serious of books out. So let me read you one
paragraph he wrote about the F one engines, and tell me if you think
there's a problem with this, so he write, he wrote this be said,
these spontaneous combustion instabilities which I was talking about with the F one engines,
the spontaneous combustion instabilities never never reappeared after they supposedly fixed them. Until
the end, whoever, the problem was never completely understood. So here we
are in a situation where they fixed the problem, but never knew what it
was they were fixing, and never reappeared again. Monty Python. To this
day, it remains a constant problem in large rocket engines for which an individual
empirical solution has to be found. Through the disappointment of the engineers, a
model was never found with which they could generally overcome the problem. Now,
your honor, I rest my case. I mean, seriously speaking, these
spells that are right there. They had a problem, they didn't know what
the problem was, but they mattered to fix the problem them. It never
occurred again. And all the missions after that, up to the launch of
this, with the launch of Skylab, all the Saturn five launches were perfect.
Not questions. Let's alcohol in case closed. So maybe an Apollo enthusiasts
will come back then and say, well, Okay, there was an issue
with the engines. But then they would say, well, how'd you explain
the photography in low Earth orbit of say the lunar module in Earth orbit where
they were testing it out, or the command module in Earth orbit tests.
Now they've obviously they would say, they've obviously got that hardware up there somehow.
What would your reply to that be, Yeah, so I'm not I'm
not saying that man missions to lower thorbit are impossible. I'm not saying that.
So I'll for now give them the benefit of the doubt that they're capable
of at least going to lower thorbit. Although when you look at the program
it seems it precarious to this day with technology have been using for five decades.
But that's another subject for another day. It's easy, that's an easy
answer. If you look at the fact that the US military had and still
has the largest film studios in the world, even far larger than NASA.
And if you look back on their history, the US military, who were
made all our propaganda films in their studio, which are bigger than Hollywood studios
and more sophisticated in terms of their technology. They have propaganda films, they
were making in the forties and fifties. They're still classified to this very day.
You can watch them, but they're classified in terms of how they were
made. Why well, obviously because they had far greater technology. The military
always is about twenty thirty years ahead of what we know today, right,
So it's quite easy. I have no I have no doubt that the military
was capable of some of the photos in film that we see presented as the
official version presented to us by the US military. Remember, the US military
was heavily involved in the Apollo missions, right, I forget what your stant
dance on this, Randy, what's your stance on Stanley Kuplick's involvement if Yeah,
Marcus Allen has done a lot of good work on that, and I've
heard him talking about I sort of. I agree with the narrative that I
don't think he was directly involved, but I do think that he had.
Maybe he might have been involved in some capacity as a consultant, but I
believe it was the special effects man that he used a lot on the set
of his own movies that may have been directly involved in filming them, or
at least film in some aspects of the Apollo missions. But you know what
again, just just to far back and what I said earlier, if the
military has technology, then we don't know about they had technology back down,
photographic technology, film technology, Um, you know, um, wouldn't they
have comparable special effects experts are there? On? Yeah? Could could they?
For instance, here's a sneaky one. Could they? Kind of if
you were kind of like military nasatype people have a meeting with special effects Hollywood
people not tell them what it's about and just say hey, could you do
this? Could you do that? And they go ahead and do it.
The military take it away and then do their own version or improve upon it,
and just don't tell them what it's about, so they might you know,
I think the word is compartmentalization. So you only know you're tiny little
bit, you don't know what's going on further up the ladder. Yeah,
absolutely, and you can reverse that. What if? What if? What
if Hollywood went to the US military for information how to make better films?
Yeah? Yeah, it reminds me of a little story that I was only
told a few years ago. Back again, just before the pandemic happened.
I was reacquainted with something that I used to work with in the nineteen eighties
who were celebrating her seventieth birthday, and so she threw kind of mutual relatives,
basically sort of got back in touch with me and said, you know,
I understand you're doing videos and things like that. Could could you film
my seventieth birthday party? And I said, yeah, sure, that'd be
great, nice to see you again kind of thing. You know, all
these years later, now how her and I knew each other. We worked
an Army film unit, if you like, it was called back then in
the late seventies, early eighties, and then in nineteen eighty two it merged
with a television unit at the British Forces to become and basically they were tasked
with making all the films to the Army and Air Force. And I think
they did do some stuff for the Navy, but mostly the Army and Air
Force training films. And so later on I started in there as a kind
of a storm and Stroke film librarian, where I have to put these films
into the library and I'd have to take these films into a repair, and
these films would come in through the post from a great big Royal mail van,
and these films were getting booked in, you know, manly with an
old boy ballpoint pain on a clipboard, you know, and before the computers
came along, and my job at that time was to take them into the
repair room where this lady who was a supervisor would check them through, you
know, and make sure there's no tears in the film or the sprockets were
strong, along with a team of other ladies, and they would do all
that all day checking the film. Now, when I got back in touch
with her only recently, about three three years ago or something, you know,
we were talking about the old days and things like that, and she
said that when Now, this was before I even began there. They're in
nineteen eighty one, so I would have put this about nineteen seventy eight,
seventy nineteen eighty around that period of time. She said, did you know
that the Russian general came knocking on our door back in nineteen seventy nine or
whenever it was. I said, no, what was that about? And
she goes, well, they accused us, or they accused of British of
stealing a military Russian film from them. And I presume this was summer in
London, you know, because obviously, you got the Russian embassy in London,
and the Russians have found one of their training films or military secret films
have gone missing, and they were thinking the British have stolen it somehow,
and so they sent a Russian general and a coupler like Russian security people maybe
soldiers, I don't know exactly well that out from London to the home counties
of Buckinghamshire where this place was, and I won't give a whole name.
The lady that I knew kind of was the first to meet them, and
she goes, what do you want and they said, we have come for
our film, you know you And she said, I don't know what you're
talking about, and she honestly had no clue what was going on. So
she passed it on to her supervisor, who's now deceased. And this is
they ended up marrying each other. So this is how he got the story
back to her. He told her the full story when they both retired,
and you know, it all quiet down. He said, do you know
what happened? And that day and she goes no, and she's as well.
The Russians were accusing the British intelligence of stilling one of their training films
or something, and they were denying all knowledge. But what happened is that
the British intelligence or someone had got the film out of London and taken it
to this place in Bucking and just secreted it away and they locked it in
their safety vault or something, and so they were just denying it completely to
Russians. No, we haven't got your film, we haven't got a film.
Go away, go away, And in the end that to leave empty
handed. But he said later on, he said, yeah, yeah,
we did have the film. We did stealing and we kept it in our
vaults and we had to get it out of London because you know, it
was too hot a potato to keep up there. So they took it out
into the Home Counties to this you know, army training place that I worked
at, and they that I presume they must have made copies because in those
days you had film projects and things like that, but you also had a
very clever machine called a tele cinny, and it's how they showed films on
the TV. And you'd put these sixteen million meter films on like a projector,
but it'd had like a video scanning kind of camera and it would copy
it over to videos. So I presume that you know, this film was
labeled top security secretels and they must have made copies of it onto video or
something. I reckon And what was on the training film? That's what I
was going to ask. Yeah, no clue. What was it about?
I don't know, but it's interesting. I remember putting some of these films
back into the library and I was always curious about what some of these films
were. And one of the films I remember seeing it was two Mars and
Beyond. It was titled to Mars and Beyond. Now I never saw it
because I didn't know how I've thread these things up anyway, and I didn't
really have access to that kind of machinery at that time. But yeah,
it's called to Mars and Beyond. Now. Interestingly, no film passed through
my hands as a film librarian back then that said anything about the Moon,
nothing about the Moon mission, is nothing about Nassa, nothing at all.
And yet here was a film called to Mars and Beyond. And I thought
that's an interesting in film. I'd love to see that sometime. You know
that you know that sounds like can you use the analogy of a Freudian slept,
Like, why all of a sudden already talking about Mars and why are
they talking about Mars and beyond? Is there technology that we're not aware of?
Yeah, yeah, exactly, this is what I was talking about last
night here with a secret space poker and drum Me saying like this, like
the fourth camp. Yeah, just to kind of fill you in, Randy,
we're briefly touching upon kind of like the moon landings and things when me
and Neil were talking. And there's different camps of people. There's there's the
first camp of people that believe absolutely the official narrative that we did go to
the moon. Then there's people that believe that we went to the moon and
the NASA astronauts saw UFOs and kind of moon structures on the moon. Then
there's the camp that don't believe that we went to the moon, but there
are possibly structures on the moon. Then there's the camp that there's we have
been to the Moon but not during the Apollo programs, and there's a secret
space program. So there's all these different camps with different kind of conspiracy HAPs
if you want to call it, that of varying degrees and it's it's just
interesting. I felt, Yeah, it's so interesting. And they also put
out that. I mean, they're the ones that actually put out the misinformation
and disinformation, not us. I mean, they're the one they chose us
putting that out. But it's actually then that are doing it, and they
want to muddy the waters and and and you know, and then they create
these purposely create these groups and these divisions between people and this person. As
you just said, this group has they're believed, that group has their belief.
How many times have you been accused of you know, they bring up
the flatter theory. They always bring that up with me. They accuse me
of promoting the flatter the flatter theory, and hey, I've only ever talked
about the polymissions. Oh I'm getting into some other stuff now with some books
I have coming out the different stuff, But I've never talked about the flatter
theory. Yet they keep accusing me of promoting the flatter theory. And it's
just more admittatis. Yeah, exactly, It's just the tactic they use to
try to discredit every time I put a video out. Now, and I'm
sure you and that Neil and Andy have had the same the same problem every
time I put a video out. Now there's a disclaimer on my video.
That's why I've got a backup channel now, you know, with bit shoot
and rumble, because you know, I just I try to be careful on
YouTube, but um, you know, you've really got to be careful what
subjects you're talking about because you can lose your channel. Right So now out
my recent discussion with Marcus Allen and Robin Landry, who I'm writing a book
with at this moment. Actually she um, we got into the JFK assassination
and as soon as I posted the video, immediately a disclaimer came up from
Wikipedia. Yeah right, yeah, So, I mean it's incredible. One
of the individuals going back and forth with me on my video right now,
my latest video, he's you know, he's talking about, Oh, he's
always been censored in this and as well, you don't have any problem with
censoring us. So why are you complaining about censorship when it's your side that's
constantly censoring everybody. Just look at the last three years, I mean New
lot or censoring anybody who dared to speak out against the official narrative, who
dared to speak out against them, you know, the whole um medical thing,
the intervention, if I could put it that way, any yeah,
exactly. Anybody who dare to ask a question, was oh, your conspiracy
theorist, that's disinformation. No, it's not. And science is not.
Science is about asking questions. It's always about asking questions. It's all Science
is a consensus. It's not a fact. And if you look back any
period throughout history, science is always being it's fluids. It's constantly changing.
And for somebody to say that it's wrong, this is right, No,
it's not. And the last three years was the biggest and the best example
of how we've been misled. Right. So, and the good part,
though, is that all of this is now out in the open and the
narrative. More people are discussing it than every before in history. So there's
some good things that came out of the last three years, if I can
say that with sensitivity, because a lot of people got hurt. But the
narrow is now out in the open. So um in a strange kind of
way, it might have been a necessary evil to wake people up, to
get people to see more of what's going on, to get them talking about
it, and now that's where we are. So I am seeing some encouragement,
but we're going to go through a lot, haven't. They also recently
canceled any man mission to Mars. I think I saw that in the news,
and we'll work with that. They've planned it well, I mean I
thought something. Let me let me you guys have a tool, I see
if I can find. Yeah. My understand of any Mars mission is that
they're always pushing this Mars narrative about all. Eventually the next ten years or
twelve years, thirteen fifteen, whatever years, we'll be landing a man on
Mars. And you know, I even go the shops and see kids toys
now about Mars missions, you know, assemble kind of palatoy space kits and
things all about going to Mars. You know, like in the sixties was
always the Moon, you know, but now it's Mars. But now,
of course they're trying to get back to the Moon with the Artemus missions and
uh yeah, okay, I think we are spaces Independent report, sorry,
independent report concludes two thousand and thirty three human miles mission is not feasible.
I'll drop that. I'll just drop that in. Let's have a have a
wee reader that so anyone that wants to have a look at this Space news
dot com independent report UM concludes twenty and thirteen human Mars mission is not feasible.
That's actually from April the eighteenth, two thousand and nineteen. UM.
They've also the European Space Agency has also canceled anything to do with Mars probes
working with Russia to Miles as well. So we've got that. That's a
more slightly more recent one. European Space Agency, this is two thy twenty
two canceled the way forward to Mars, so we've got that one as well.
UM. So it's it's looking like this. They're kind of saying,
oh, we'll go to Mars. Oh, no, we're not going to
Mars. Oh we'll go to Mars. Oh we won't go to Mars.
So there's a lot of this going on. Yeah, And I think part
of that too is to divert attention away from front the Moon mission, because
the art Amis won't be gone anywhere near No man will be going anywhere near
the Moon. And and even even though they have the ability to fake it
better than they did fifty years ago, a lot of people are now fully
aware. A lot more people are aware of their capabilities, so they really
have a difficult time fake. Let's let's let me put it to you this
way. If they want to fake a mission another mission to the Moon,
they're going to have to land right by Apol eleven and they're going to have
to put the camera on what it's elect that the remnants of poll eleven and
show us the deterioration over the last fifty years. How they're going to duplicate
that, Yeah, they have, they can't. They don't because they're guessing
they don't know, So they have. There's a lot that they have to
sell and they're not going to be able to say it. So they'll eventually
we'll get to the starting line and then we'll be pulled back right And I
mean, it's just amazing and just when it comes to the art at the
artifics mission. I haven't studied it much, but my understanding is is that
it's using the same technology to Space Shuttle use. It's the technology, it's
going back decades and it's still having problems with it. What gives here?
Right with that kind of if you had that in aviation, you wouldn't be
flying from country to country if you had that kind of instability in its technology,
and it is instability right, So again, you know, I think
they're trying to get us away from from from the movie. It haven't seen
a lot of hype over it since the so called success of its starship launch.
It's interesting because last year last summer, I was working for a news
broadcast in London an Iranian slash afghanis dying news thing, and you're thinking,
what were they doing broad classing from London? But it's because they're broadcasting out
the regime, outside of the regimes of Afghanistan and outside the regimes of Iran,
so they can and they're kind of being financed by Saudi royal family or
something like that. So I was led to believe that they was obviously talking
about, you know, the broadcasting. They were covering it on their programs
or I mean, I couldn't understand the Fasti language, but you could definitely
see the Arsima stuff there. And one of the guys that was a journalist,
I ended up chatting to him in the tea room about it and he
said, Oh, my daughter was so excited. I'm going to be interviewing
one of the astronauts that's going to go to the Moon. And obviously I
thought, oh, this must be the artemist thing. I said, why,
what how come? Then he said, well, because this astronaut,
although she's American, she's of Iranian descent, and so that was of interest
to this Iranian channel. Visually they thought, oh, that'd be a nice
little kind of angle to take that, you know, they can focus on
on this Moon mission because she's an Iranian astronaut. And this this journalist was
saying, yeah, yeah, she's she's flying to the Moon next month,
you know. And this was August and it was September the next month,
and when it was scheduled to fly. I said, no, no,
no, no, no, no, I'm pretty sure you know they're not
going to be flying people to the Moon next month. I understand. You
know that they're going to be taking off and just testing this rocket out and
that's all they're going to be doing. There won't be astronauts. I said,
I think there's going to be some dummies test dumpies on there and think
and he really didn't realize this, so, you know, so I said,
would you want me to kind of brief you on what I know,
because oh yes, please. So you know, we had a little chat
and I took him right back to the Apollo missions and I said, you
know, because he said, I don't know what questions to ask this astronaut.
What what do you think I should ask? So I said, well,
okay, So I gave him my angle of the whole Apollo mission,
saying, you know, there's a lot of people that say that they can't
get up to the Moon because of the van Alan radiation belts. And they
gave him a kind of basic science thing of the van Ayland radiation belt where
they're radiation particles around the first magnetic field and that kind of stuff. And
I said, and even when you get to the Moon, you know,
you still got all that gamma and cosmic radiation hit in the moon all the
time. So I said, you know, it'd be great if they could
get to the moon, but maybe one of the questions you might like to
ask this astronaut is how they're going to cope with the radiation. And I
gave him like a list of ten questions to ask, and anyway, he
had to then go and see his editor in chief to run these questions past
him before he could then ask the astronaut in question. And I saw him
maybe the next day, and I said, oh, how'd you get on?
And said, oh, I'm so angry. I'm so angry. I
said, why is that? This? As well, all the questions that
we devise, I put to my editor and he's changed them all when he
scribbled it out, and the one about the radiation, he's just struck off
and he goes, no, ask him about UFOs and aliens and cliche stuff.
You know that. I think that's a kind of like a brief insight
what's going on on a global scale when when people have got pertinent questions and
this includes the auchie fouci in almost any kind of given subject. If you
try and go up up the stages and you hear this thing from skeptics,
Oh well, if that was true, you'd hear it on all the news
channels. For the reason you don't hear it on all the news channels,
it's precisely what you were talking about, Neil. It goes up to editorial
level. Oh, I would just scrubble that out and ask about you know
UFA. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was a real good opportunity to
gain all good questions out through this guy. We warted the editorial level.
Now, whether the guy, the editor in chief knew anything about radiations,
I think it perhaps wasn't of interest to him. He didn't perhaps really understand
it. And I'm just thinking, oh, let's like ask about aliens or
something, which which is interesting because like talking about the Iranians anyway, talking
about their their their belief in their religion, I wonder how they actually view
the whole alien and UFO stuff anyway, because you know, it's a bit
of a I mean, according to what I was told old, the Iranian
year is something like seven hundred, so you know that we're in the year
twenty twenty three era. I Rainy year is something like seven hundred or something,
you know, So they're kind of like in the Middle Ages from their
point of view of their their terminology. But when they went back to their
Mohammed kind of birth, I guess seven hundred years ago, whereas we take
it from the birth of Jesus. But of course our planet is a lot
older than that anyway. But it makes me just wonder about how they term
the whole thing of the whole idea of aliens and things in this modern world
now with those kind of really old beliefs and medieval beliefs. If alike of
Mohammed and winged horses, he I suppose the story goes he had a wing
horse and ascended to heaven on a wing horse, which is an interest in
piece of mythology in itself, I think, And you could sort of think
of that anyway you want, I guess should put a shout out if there's
anyone from an Islamic country or a Muslim background, then dropping the comments what
what the Quran says about UFOs and aliens and what the general Islamic belief is
in UFOs and aliens. I'll tell you what I quite like the Italian mindset.
I was watching something of of all things on Sky last night about Benito
Mussolini and how he would have met his end, and it goes into the
kind of like the Italian mindset and what they think. Generally speaking, Italians
in Italy distrust everything they hear from politicians, everything they have. They have
a very healthy distrust of authority, and they assume as the default position that
everything that's told by politician is lies. Love So I love that. I
like that we need that, we need that, we need that in North
America, boy, that we need that in Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna
say, Randy, just before we got into Mussolini. Yeah, No,
when you were talking there, one would think that a journalist would have at
least some broad knowledge of some of the more controversial subjects. I mean,
um, you know, if you're in that profession, you would you don't
have to meet you an expert in one specific area, but you would have
a general knowledge. And for him to you know, to be absolutely dumbfounded
on what you were talking about is is it's frankly surprising, especially in this
day and age, right, Yeah, I mean, considering the fact that
he thought that they're going to be launching this Iranian um background nastrotional to the
moon that September literally, you know, three or four weeks after we were
having this discussion. He thought they were going back to me. So it
shows he wasn't really clued up about it at all. You know, he
was a young guy for the job, I think, really. Yeah,
and even it sounds like, even if they had the right guy for the
job, he was going to be next anyway by the editor. Yeah,
Yeah, there's a command here and I see that so so so much where
I mean, that's really what it's all about, isn't it. Journalism is
not journalism. It's actuary censorship. That's really that's what it is. They're
not They're not real journalist, you know, in my opinion for all of
these out there, I wanted to defend the journalist. I'm just saying,
in my opinion a journalist. Did you did you hear this Simon Parks incident
with the reptilian cartoon image on this Morning? This was before the whole Phillips
Gofield scal or Did you hear about that, Neil, No, you've alluded
to that once before. Yeah, so so Simon Parks, you know,
I quite like him. A lot of people don't like him. Is controversial,
but you know, take it as you as you get it. But
he's very into aliens and UFOs, political staff, new World order, and
I find his talks fairly interesting. But he was he was invited onto This
Morning, which is kind of like a show. I don't know what the
equivalent would be in America, but like I just in a morning talk show
basically born in America time, yeah, something like that. And he was
asked Tom to talk about his experiences, and he actually had some little cartoon
drawings illustrations of what these beings were that he looked that he had interactions with,
and what they looked like. And he he was, you know,
can we can we have them by the production team in order so they can
show them on camera. And they showed the grays, and they showed the
praying mantis, but for some reason they wouldn't show the reptilian ones. Um,
and and they didn't put them on camera, And then off camera he
asked them something along the wise of well, why why didn't you why didn't
you put the reptilian ones because those are quite interesting, and that he was
just told by the production team and we're not allowed to. We were told
from we're not allowed to. Oh interesting, that interesting if they don't exist
and it's all crazy conspiracy theory. Yeah, and I might explain such such
the almost violent response to people who bring it up. Um, you know,
the reptilian agenda, especially with David aik he brings them up a lot.
He's written about it many times. But um, but you see symbols
of that everywhere you go. And this is the thing I mean you go
down and visit uh dearly plaza did did jfk assassinations? Say? You see
it all all the place? Um, you know, and it's very symbolic.
There's a lot of symbology down in that area where he was killed,
which I'll be writing about in a future book, but just for now,
it's just as a matter of interest. But you know, people seem to
get they're afraid of anything that gets into that area, or the occult or
anything like that, and yet it's out there, it's in your face.
In fact, the global elites who run the world for now that might change,
but who are running the world, they live their lives and they plan
their events based on a cult. Yeah, and there's no denying it.
They do it. And when people say, oh, I don't want to
hear about that, well you're cheating yourself out of some very value information that
can actually protect you. Yeah, all right, because they love to tell
you what they're going to do before they do it. What happened the last
three years was predicted in a novel back in nineteen eighty. They said there
would be you're familiar with that. They were I forget the name, but
he predicted Um now I don't believe it would actually happened, but he was
setting the narrative forty years ago that that's what the official narrative will be in
there twenty twenty. It will be a respiratory virus. Right, And he
wrote that in a novel that that will happen in here twenty twenty. Well,
that brings me to another point. I don't know if the two of
you are familiar with the famous variety show here that used to exist fifty years
ago in the U United States, and it was called Laughing And yeah,
yeah, yeah, exactly, Roman and Martin, I believe, yeah,
yeah, So they used to do a skit every night they do a news
item, and this one particular news item with this show aired in nineteen sixty
nine, and this is nineteen sixty nine, and they had the skit was
twenty years ago. Today President Reagan will reside over the fall of the Berlin
Wall. Wow. Yeah, wow, was right twenty years before and it
happened. They predicted it. That's pretty eerie. I didn't know that.
How is it they picked Reagan and not anyone else? Yeah, because at
some time he was just like a like a B movie actor. It wasn't
He's like and I think he was governor of California, and but he was
at best a B movie actor. But he didn't become president in the nineteen
eighty one yet nineteen sixty nine. They flippantly make a prediction. Yeah,
that's you know, they like to tell us what's going to happen before it
happens. On a slightly different note, M, what do you think is
going to happen with the Trump situation? Yeah, Di'd be watching that one
very closely. Obviously we're looking at a witch hunt, to say the least.
I think I wouldn't be at all surprised. Look when we go back
and look at the last three to four years, especially over the Trump's presidency.
One thing that Trump did that a lot of people are now starting to
appreciate, even those who hated him back then, is that he, either
on purpose or inadvertently, brought about the narrative. He brought this narrative out
into the open, right, So a lot of stuff that a lot of
things that we would never talk about in the open, we're now talking about.
And I think that the um the messages from Q in the last several
years, I think that's probably if you look at the messages of Q.
Let's say, if you go back and pick a date in twenty nineteen,
and he would say in two thousand and twenty three, such and such a
such a thing will happen, and he's and Q was absolutely right. Now.
Q is not one individual. I believe Q to be UM. I
think Q is a group and it's backed up by a very sophisticated computer.
UM. Very sophisticated, I mean technology that we're probably not aware of.
How else can anybody make these accurate predictions, these key messages that are coming
out. I think Trump was part of I think he was approached years before
and asked to play this role. And I think that what's happening right now
is is that it's hard to believe that Trump is an outsider, can considering
the fact that he's been an insider for for many decades. But it seems
that there's some evidence now. I believe that Trump may have actually been pulled
back to a point where we need somebody with a name that he has,
and somebody who's going to bring awareness to what is happening now. And I
don't think I think this will lonely helped Trump. That's what I'm getting at.
I think whatever is happening right now will only helping the two twenty and
twenty twenty four election. That's the way I'm seeing it. I'm not against
Trump. I think what I appreciate about him is controversial. But you know
what, I want the most controversial person you can put in there. I
don't want this, you know, I hear this nonsense. I hear people
say, oh, well, we need somebody's going to who's who's not going
to polarize us? Oh hell with that. I want polarization because I want
people talking, right, and Trump does that. I want people talking.
I want you to get it out and let's talk about it all right.
Don't have to fight with each other, because that's really what they want.
But we're not doing that. We're going to talk about it. So I
think Trump has been good for the narrative in my opinion. I think it's
been good for ann and I think what's happening right now maybe planned. I
think Trump expected this. I think he saw this coming, and Nicky knew
this was coming. Remember what he said two years ago when he left office.
The very day he left office, he said the best is yet to
come, because it's it's kind of kind of depressing from our point of view
because it looks like the Communists are basically taken over. Yeah, no,
you're right. Um, there's a lot of Communists infiltration that goes back actually
to the right, back to the Kennedy assassination. That's that's a connection to
the Kennedy assassination. And what is happening now. I mean you go back
even further. I mean you have to go back even further than Kennedy assassination
and go back to nineteen thirteen with the Federal Reserve Bank. That is a
tool by the Communist is one level, but there's even a force higher than
a communist and a communa and what they have done in the last fifty sixty
years, and that in part is what the Kennedy assassination was all about,
to so disrupt society, to affect the American psyche on a level, on
a very basic level, that make them vulnerable to infiltration. And since that
point, a lot of American institutions here in Canada as well, I mean
Trudeau, the son of you know, Fidel Castro, Right, we've had
infiltration, Communist infiltration starting virtually the day after Kennedy was assassinated. They've invaded
Hollywood, They've even infiltrated Hollywood, academia politics. But that's becoming exposed now
and I'm a little A year ago of you would ask me this, I
was. I was worried. I was worried that we may actually lose UM.
But I'm a little more encouraged now because there is a lot of this
is a huge blackclashic eg woke in the youth, and you'll you'll find it
in the comments sections. So if you have something crazy woke that's that's on
social media, whether it's YouTube or Facebook or something. The key is not
to look at the article, look at the comments this is. This will
give you the mindset and it's just being obliterated, which is great. You're
absolutely right. And there's one other thing I like that to that UM when
it comes to Trudeau over here in Canada, UM one of I find very
interesting and I always I like to also gauge UM things from a local point
of view and see where it's going, because locally usually says a lot too,
like what are your next door neighbors thinking, what are your friends thinking?
What is the person in the restaurant thinking, and most of my friends
are liberals, all right, my wife and I, Um, it's interesting,
we're sort of the odd people out. But most of them are liberals.
But what's happening with them? And most of them were in liberal world
of course Trudeau supporters. But nine out of the ten people we have talked
to in terms of being liberal supporters no longer support Trudeau. Oh yeah,
he's got one of the lowest approved racings on earth, fully to twenty five
apparently exactly. I think he is now officially the most hated prime minister this
country has ever had. He's one of the worst people on this planet.
This is a man behind murdering people's dogs who are protesting against the jibby jab
the Auchi fauci. He acactly wanted his own police force to go up to
people the truck is honking their horns, take their dogs away and murder them.
That's what this is actually. I mean, they were they were putting
up bouncy castles, you know, on the streets, and they were called
terrorists. Right, he's truckers, you know, for the for the kiss,
they have a little fun, and they were called terrorists, And it
was embarrassing watching the mainstream media because they went to great lanes, they did
everything they could to try to discredit, and all they ended up doing was
given the truckers more support. In terms of the Canadian public, I mean,
the response was absolutely overwhelming. Well, it's very interesting about that is
the millions of people that came out and lining the streets when the truckers were
converging on Ottawa and they were lining in the streets in support of the truckers,
and it is that one moment in our history, excuse me, that
really changed events for the better. It was after that that the mandates dropped.
Yeah, yea, but not before they got a lot of damage done.
I mean, when I look at my family and most of my friends,
most of them fell for the narrative and a lot of them are on
their fish shot and it's pretty freaking scary what's happening to know. I'm seeing
the effects of on them now and it's really starting to worry me. So
anybody wants to comap me and tell me that I'm spewing disinformation, I refer
you to my family, I refer you to my friends. I refer you
to my next door neighbors. I'm seeing him with them. They've all bought
it. An they're they're having effects from this medical intervention. I don't want
to say it on air here, but you know what I'm getting at.
But so, but the good news is that even they themselves are turning on
Trudeau. Yeah, so that's the good thing about as China. Don't you
probably say that she does. Oh yeah, he thinks trying to does a
tremendous job in controlling its citizens. And you know he was blunt about that,
wasn't he. I mean, it was incredible. It was incredible what
he said. I mean, it was just unbelievable that he would actually say
that, and a democratic country, considering his father was a non Marxist right
right before he before he shifted over to the liberals, because that was his
chance to gain power his dad back in the sixties. It's incredible. One
thing that a lot of people seem to forget is that that politicians like Trudeau
and the the the the rats that run the World Economic Forum, they have
they have intelligence, right, but overall they're not smart people. They really
really like they're just they're sitting beside themselves to this day and wondering what the
hell went wrong We thought we had control over the last three years. I
think they leave their own bullshit. Yeah, well that's what narcissists do,
right, Yeah, right, I mean, I mean, you know,
they they grew themselves in the mirror in the morning. Well that's not working
for Claus Schwab very well, is it. I've just got this image of
Trudeau wherever he goes, he's got like a little personal hand mirror, and
he's got his and his comb and he's just doing this. Yeah yeah,
yeah, just like a peacock everywhere he goes. Well, you know,
I got a it's just a funny story about that. I was in New
York Um last month for my wife and I. We dropped down, we
got some family there. We came back and I was talking to somebody who
set the road here from me, and she says, oh, I guess
she missed all the excitement. I'm in a liberal riding. Okay, So
this liberal riding is part of Trudeau's cabinet. The person the politician here is
in his cabinet. So there was a huge protest right down the street here,
and I moved out of Toronto two years ago during the during the height
of the COVID scared the COVID propaganda. I mean, I moved out of
Toronto because it was unbearable to be there. Everybody was their neurosis was it
was too much to deal with, right, So we got out of there.
Anyway. She was telling me there was a huge protest right down my
street here against Trudeau. And this is a liberal riding. So that tells
you everything you need to know. Everywhere he goes, he's heckled. Yeah,
the stream media doesn't tell you that, but we see it. It's
interesting how the mighty fall because the communist leader of New Zealand a dirt and
just in a dirt and she just suddenly Adam, is she a dame now
or something? Oh, yeah, she's been made a dame now. And
uh. And there's there's something she made about some journalists asked her about mandates
and making things compulsory, and she said, yes, yes, I will
make it me indigreat like a like a crazy communist leader. But also yeah,
sorry, go ahead. So you've got a Scottish leader called um Nicholas
Urgeon, who's again one of these woke crazy you know, communist type people
shutting down freedom of speech. She hates freedom of speech, and so she
she suddenly, this is funny. She was hind quickly for no reason.
I just thought that's a bit odd. Recently, she's now been arrested for
flaud and she's had her garden home digged up twice, digging up her garden,
her back garden, looking for evidence. God knows what they're looking for.
But yeah, it's it's interesting how they're falling one by one. Well,
do you know that the Scottish, the the that was the former or
that prime Minister of Scotland, but the head of starting smister. Yeah,
first minister that made the mainstream media over here that she was arrested it wow,
yeah, yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. They went with my morning
coffee. I was enjoying it the moment. Trude miniature, shrunk, Scottish
and female, and you'll get an idea of what she's about. Well,
isn't it interesting? They're all falling like dominoes. And this was predicted by
Q like a couple of years ago, and they're all fall like dominoes.
That's exactly what we're seeing. I'm a little concerned about Australia though they seem
to still have a foothold there, right, so I kind of worry about
that, but they're falling like dominoes. They don't have the grip here in
Canada that they did. Now we still having said that Canadians tend to be
who. As I was watching on your show, your video, I'm not
sure if it was with Beata or someone else. I know somebody was talking
about nice people. Canadians are nice people, but I think actually, Andy,
you were talking about that and he said that, yeah, yeah,
and he said that that's right. Naive but naive and a little too passive
for my liking. And I think that's going to change, because I do
believe now there's a lot of rumblings within all levels here of government and the
media on the medical intervention. I think that's going to break through because there's
a lot of backlash starting to build here. I think Canadians have their limit,
and I think that maybe their limit. So I'm hoping if we ever
talk again, we can get into some other matters like the Hoo Treaty,
which is very scary too. People should be oh god, Dad, Yeah,
the Hoot treaty For anyone listening who doesn't know what that is. If
you think mass mandates and actually found your mandates and COVID mandates who are crazy
and draconian and barbaric upon the people, Well guess what our world governments are
about to sign up with? Who who would have the final say should another
pandemic come our So if another pandemic comes along, every country is going to
basically do what who says and who controls who? Mostly China and Bill Gates
yeah, and rods adultry. Yeah, I've heard this one. Have you
heard this one? So they've actually said some news channel that they want to
cut food production in order to help climate change. The US needs to cut
down on the amount of food that it produces. Well, guests who owns
apparently the majority of agricultural land in the United States, Bill Gates? Now,
isn't that a coincidence? So the next tactic, I think is to
starve people for climate change. Help the planet by starving yourself. Well,
that's exactly what happened during the Bolsheburk Revolution when when they assassinated the bizarre and
killed his family. I mean, that's exactly what happened there. What they
did was since they cut off supply lines and they starved like they starved,
like twenty million people to death. And that's what they're trying to know.
They can't do it blatantly like they did back then. But there are signs
that it is happening here. But there are also signs that a lot of
people are now starting to become aware of it. Yeah, we're starting to
look at local remedies, like connecting with a local farmer and working out some
kind of business arrangement. I'm in a condo. I can't grow my own
food in the balcony, right, But what we can do is connect with
a farmer and maybe work out some kind of business arrangement where we can pick
up, you know, some vest fruits and vegetables on a monthly basis type
of thing. So there are ways around that, and I find what's going
to happen is is people are going to stay away from the large box stores,
per se the corporate owned stores, and start going local. And I'm
starting to see that too, So there seems to be a counter offensive.
But you're absolutely right. How is it that it's at dozens of food processing
plants just somehow blew up last year, you know what I mean, just
miraculously just blew up. I mean it just happened, right, A dairy
a factory blew up, Right. I expect that from an oil refinery,
but not a dairy factory. Yeah, you know, either dozens or hundreds
of them, just again and again and again. I've got somebody these shows
me links. It's just incredible with it just boom. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's it's it's but I think and I'm I'm not sure. Yeah,
but there seems to be some counter push now the other way. So
I think people are starting to become aware of that. I mean, we
had just h Senator John Kerry and you're both from Union with Senator Kerry,
former presidential candidate. He was blatant about it just the other day. He
wants farmers to stop growing food to fight climate change. Yeah, freaking kidding
me. I think I think that's the article I saw. And next sitting
next to him was Bill Gates. Oh, but the cameras take a hout
of yourself with Jeffrey Epstein. Let's see how that works out. How many
visits, Well, it's sixteen visits on Lalita expressed to the p Yeah,
yeah, Clinton Clinton for first class. Didn't he yet? Sorry, go
ahead, on, I was just going to suggest something. I mean,
we've got to come to a close soon. But I've been thinking about you
know, you talk about assassination Z. We've been talking about Kennedy being assassinating.
I know you're gonna be writing a book about it, and you do
talk about it in your second book. You're going to quite a lot of
detailer And there's obviously that historical footage where you got um Kennedy. I think
it might be in a stadium. I think he said this speech kind of
twice, so I'm not quite sure which one I'm referring to. But he
says, we choose to go to the moon, not because it's easy,
because it's hardens always people around him, and in the background, I think
it's Lyndon B. Johnson, and Kennedy is saying this speech, we choose
to go to the moon. And obviously Johnson was the guy that succeeded Kennedy
after the assassination. But it's at the point I studied, like the facial
expressions of Lyndon B. Johnson whilst Kennedy was saying that speech and he says,
we will go to the moon blah blah blah blah blah. And you
can see Lyndon B. Johnson's sort of frown or smirk or do some some
weird expression as if I said, oh, that's a lot of crap or
something like that. You know, it's really really worth as checking out because
most people have folksed on Kennedy saying that famous speech, and I thought,
I'm just going to check the other people out there and see what they're doing,
you know, how they're acting. And he was a guy that was
probably in the know about the assassination, and once he got control and things
like that, you know, the thing changed. But it's kind of like
that he knew that they weren't going to get to the moon from just looking
at his expressions. I just suggested people go and check that speech out and
see what you think. You know, if you're good at I agree with
you. And there's one more interesting point about Lyndon Johnson. There is a
video it's on YouTube. He came out. He gave an interview to Walter
Concrete. This is after he left office in nineteen sixty eight, so this
was nineteen sixty nine, and Walter Concorde asked him about the For those who
don't know, he's a CBS was a CBS anchor, And Walter Concrede asked
Johnson about the assassination and the Warrant Commission report, and Johnson, sorry,
yeah. Johnson came back and said well, he said, um, I
think that there were international connections. And Johnson and then Concrete came back and
said, well, it's that a repudiation of the Warrant Commission. He said
no, he said they did. They were honorable men. They did a
thorough job. But I think what he was alluding to was the international connections,
not so much with you know, Cuba or the Soviet Union or anything
like that, higher up, even higher up than the World Economic Forum,
even though the World Economic Forum at that point didn't technically exsist him two years
later, but it existed in another form. So this is how deep the
Kennedy assassination goes. So I have no I have no qualms about what you're
saying about Johnson. He was almost mocking Kennedy. He knew, he knew
what was coming and what wasn't coming, right, And it's interesting he left
up as just before the official moon landing. Hmm. There's a similar video.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, and this is fascinating
of a public announcement of a public speech by President Reagan mid eighties, and
he's got this I forgot who it is, but this guy leaning over,
looming over him and kind of like telling him off and telling him not to
say that or do say that. So so Reagan is kind of like,
ah, this, this and that, and this guy's going and you don't
hear what this guy's saying, but you can kind of let read and he's
really having it out. And at that moment, you just think Reagan's not
running the show. This Reagan's not president here whoever, the fact this guy
is, this guy is calling the shots. Because this guy was telling reagano
and Reagan looked embarrassed, like a little naughty schoolboy and then corrected himself.
And I thought, that's so telling about what the presidential situation is in I
have some I have some some some small admiration for Reagan because he was compromised
physically and then emotionally and mentally three or four months into into his presidency and
when with the attempted assassination and we know now, I mean, there's lots
of evidence out there the points in the direction of his vice president at that
time has been behind or at least been in the knoll as to why he
was supposed to be killed. That didn't happen, but they did, They
did accomplish the fact that he basically became a lame, dark president. He
was very easy to control at that point because let's face, he was in
the seventies and he severely wounded and he almost died, but he came back,
but he was I don't think he had the fight in them after that,
and can blame the man you know, Um, it was, it
was, it was. It was absolutely amazing that he recovered from his wounds
at that age. When what are the next Canadian um elections? When can
you get rid of trudo? So technically true can be in for another two
or three years, but there seems to be building memento. Um. He's
right now supported by a socialist party, the NDP. Yeah, because he
has a minority government, he doesn't have a majority, and there's now talk
up here of election interference as well, and very much like what's going on
in the States. I don't trust these electronic voting machines. Um, And
you can't even talk about it. If you can't even talk about they're hiding
something. Yeah, that's always being sort of by where I'm at with us.
So, Um, there is some things happening here in this country.
For example, in the province of Alberta, which I'm not sure if piatas
from Alberta, if I'm not mistaken, Um, she might be anyway,
Um, they just volded in a far right conservative. The first thing,
she came out and said that one of the things that she found horrific in
the last three years it was discrimination against the unvaccinated. And she for a
politician to say that tells you that, hey, there might be some hope
for that province. I mean they're kind of like I liken them to Texas,
you know, yeah, that kind of thing, right, And so
they've basically thrown out the socialists in that in that province, and we're seeing
them move now towards far right ideology. Now I'm not seeing that one ideology
is better than the other. But if you have to choose between an ideology,
go right, don't go left. Yeah, right, that's kind of
and then form your own opinion and keep your eye on them as well,
the ones you went with, right, because people really have to start thinking
of themselves. Politicians are not going to do it for you. They're out
there for you and me. They never had been and never will be,
So we have to pickick them in check. Right. Wasn't it Trump who
said he was asked about A fifty one what did you find there? And
you didn't say anything other than I just found it very interesting? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, cold, cold. Yeah. That's another thing
too, when people say, oh, that's not true. Well they denied
area fifty one for what for decades until the CIA finally came out a few
years ago and admitted it had existed when we could all see it anyway,
But it didn't matter, right. I think we're gonna have to leave it
there, gentlemen. But I mean, there's lots I could go on about.
So I think we'll Randy back again for a follow up, because I'd
still like to go into the JPL Occult Connection in a Future, which was
in your last book, where we talked about the guy who is the founder
of one of the founders of jpl or you you talked about him in your
book, and we could go more into the Kennedy assassination as well and see
where that takes us as well. So I'd like to invite you back at
some future point if you're up for that. Randy, Yeah, no,
i'd I'd be happy to come back and chat some more. Excellent, But
thank you very much for taking the time out and joining Andy and Iron.
A very very interesting discussion. You start off on one era, but you
wind and you go all through these little I do. It's very interesting because
it never comes out the way you predict. But that's none of it,
isn't it. So thank you very much. And people can find your book
on Amazon, can't they if they're intrigued. Yea, yep. They can
find it on Amazon. And you can go to find me on YouTube,
and I talk a lot about it there and I put the links there,
so easy to find. Okay. So the title of your book, for
those that want to know more, is so the title is The Partment Missions,
Hiding Hulks and Playing Side Part one. Yeah, and this is part
two, Part two, same kind of title, but part two. And
it's very interesting because you go into the technical side of the engines and you
go into JPL, which is the Jet Propulsional Laboratory. And yeah, the
second book you also talk about the Kennedy assassination as well. So yeah,
very very interesting. It's very different from what I would call a typical moonhoax
book. It comes in at a very different angle which I think is great.
So thank you very much once again, Randy Walsh joining us from Canada,
and thank you Pleasure who was a pleasure being here. Thank you,
Thanks Andy for coming on once more to join us on the Paranormal Peep Show,
and thank you to our audience for listening. And we'll catch you next
month. Look out for us on YouTube, on Rumble, on all the
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Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. We'll catch you next month. And
the final thing would be if Mike Barra is listening or anyone notes of Mike
Barra, if he would like to come on the show. He's quite welcome
to because he claims he's written a book and repudiated everything that we're talking about.
Put your money where out. Yeah, come, come and join us.
Mike, if you're listening here from you Cherich, all right, take
care, all thanks you, good night. I don't