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Well Whiskey coming Fake by Paine's brain
Let from Powerline blog dot com and produced

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by Wricochet dot com. This is
the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders

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Steve Hayward, John You and powerlines
International Woman of Mystery Lucresia's Gotta give Me

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and let that blow where You're being
in love down and Lowell. Welcome everybody

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to a new episode of the Three
Whiskey Happy Hour with your hosts. I'm

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John You and my fellow host Steve
Hayward and Lucresia, the International Woman of

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Mystery. Hi guys, Hi,
John, could could you? I know

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you're on the East Coast and it's
late, but could you be any sleepier?

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Or is that the Canadian maple flavored
cloud of smoke getting to you?

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I was gonna say, it's hard
for me to see you through all the

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haze. You guys look vaguely orange. To me, everything here looks orange.

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It's like I bought fake Viagra pills
from China and everything looks orange instead

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of blue. Is what I'm told
the Vira pills do. But it is

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incredible. This is like, remember
guys, in twenty nineteen, this happened

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to us in the West coasts.
Yeah, we're all the big forest fires.

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And this is when we first learned
about N ninety five masks now here

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being in DC. People are wearing
ready wearing the stupid masks because they're still

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wearing them here about COVID, Yeah, so they ready didn't they really have

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to put any new masks on.
But it is strange to see this huge

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orange smoke cloud descend on Washington,
d C. I've never seen anything like

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it in all the years I've been
traveling or living in DC. Well as

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a well, I mean, yeah, John, you mentioned I think it

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was twenty nineteen when you know,
the big forest fires in California blew out

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of the Bay Area. It looked
just like the pictures we're seeing now in

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New York. And so we shrug
our shoulders because I've been through this many

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times in life. So has Lucretia. Out in southern California, you went

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through some of the same fires,
right. So it was just that nearly

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burned down my house and burned half
a dozen houses at people I know right

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here in my little uh bodunk town
in southern Arizona. There was a fire

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that lasted for three and a half
weeks. It was started by illegals trying

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to on the other side of the
mountains in Mexico, trying to create a

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faint so they could get away with
their drugs. Well didn't didn't you used

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to get some fires pretty close to
you there, And wasn't it didn't you

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live like to hunga canyon or something? Do I have that right? Yeah?

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We got fires and floods and you
name it. Yeah. And I

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used to watch San Gabriel Mountains above
Pasadena burned down every five or six years

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with regularity. So it is amusing
to us Native Westerners to watch the Easterners

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cavetch about this. But they don't
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Yeah, there's a difference. What
do you What do you think about the

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ever in the media to say this
shows that global warming really is a problem,

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because now you've got forest fires on
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has nothing to do with forestry management. Yeah. No, all I can

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say, John, is aren't you
glad that we have a certain statute that

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is banned from this podcast that protects
us from these things in the United States?

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Uh? Huh No, Oh Jesus. If the air was like the

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air grew up when we were growing
up in the seventies. We wouldn't even

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notice this. Yeah, this would
be like clean air to us. Well,

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that that's not quite true. I
mean, well, I won't bore

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you, especially you or listeners with
the data, but I can see the

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numbers that I'm reading about the concentrations
of particulars in the east are really shocking.

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I mean they're like the worst days
in Beijing. But this is not

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from industry and from normal sources.
It's from something extraordinary. But you know,

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a bad day in La. I'll
just give you two numbers, a

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bad day in La. Oh,
let me do it reverse order. I've

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seen numbers that I think are reliable, that particulates get the dimensions are reaching,

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you know, four hundred four and
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the East Coast. It's a bad
day in La if we get up to

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thirty parts per million. And so
that you know you're seeing in the East

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Coast really is quite extraordinary. So, Steve, how many times tonight you're

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going to break your promises? What
I've done for us? Oh that well,

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oh, that promise. I thought
you meant that you're talking about be

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honest, I don't know what the
those numbers. I'm just teasing you what

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those numbers were though. When I
was growing up, when you know,

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you simply did not even think about
exercising at four o'clock in the afternoon,

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regardless if you could stand the heat, because you just couldn't breathe. Yeah,

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and it's much much better than it
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think about California that's better than it
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Yeah, yeah, correct, that
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will stop here because I will become
a bore if you you know you you

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did it. It's your fault,
Lucretia, because anyway, because I made

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you boring. Yeah, well,
at least I've been in Washington all week

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and I've been walking around in the
stuff. And frankly, when I was

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a kid, and I don't know
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I remember smelling right when people were
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fires in their fireplaces. Oh yeah, that was far. It seems far

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worse than what's going on here.
I think this is a lot less smoked,

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a lot less Bernie would smell then
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know if we can use our fireplaces
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I wasn't sure they've been banned.
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fashioned fireplace in California anymore. Can
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you can't. Yes? Correct?
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Sits there? Until? I mean, I thought maybe the news of

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the podcast would be the giant orange
smoke cloud, but instead it's demand with

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the giant orange hair. That's cool, okay, but but one last footnote

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here is obviously I'm not I know, I sorry, but look, we

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do have to get in. Since
it's the three whiskey happy hour. You

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have to drink an a club,
and I'm not going to drink the Florid

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because that would be redundant at a
moment like this. That's all I want

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to say. So, yeah,
do anything Canadian, Canadian club, Canady

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whiskey? What is what is it? Why is it not just American?

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What makes you Canadian? It's I
think that the can Canadian whiskey's like the

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worst thing in the world. M
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Canadian listeners because I haven't had nothing, because I know lovely Canadians, but

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their whiskey sucks. Well they all
moved to the United States anyway. Yeah,

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so back to the other big orange
news. Donald Trump got indicted just

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an hour or two ago, So
we are really on the front line of

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the news. And it comes to
us from Donald Trump himself, who announced

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the indictment and a post on his
truth social media network, but has since

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been confirmed. But I looks like
law enforcement sources and by the lawyers and

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Donald Trump's own camp. Donald Trump's
defense attorney went on to cable news tonight

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to confirm that the indictment had is
coming and to claim that Donald Trump's innocent.

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Apparently there's seven counts which include illegally
retaining national defense information, obstruction of

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justice, conspiracy to commit obstruction of
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about even we've had you know what
I think about it. There's some sort

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of big story that supposedly, uh
Meadows, they were they were doing something

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with Meadows, and Trump was bragging
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And that's what is the thing over
the top the president. The president

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cannot break the Espionage Act with respect
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And so uh, you know,
the things that matter, like the fact

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that when he was vice president,
Biden took documents he had no business taking

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that when the vice the last vice
president under Trump. They just was it

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two weeks ago, a week ago. They're not going to indict him,

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but they're going to invite indict Trump, which they cannot do if they followed

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the law. I'm so tired of
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only only authority for classifying and declassifying
documents. And if he wants to get

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out there and talk about our nuclear
secrets, our deepest nuclear secrets, on

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CNN and nobody will watch it.
But on CNN anyway, there's nothing anybody

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can do about it. And everybody
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pretend it's not and drives me crazy. So there you go. That's mine

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final. Steve. Do you think, Steve, do you think agree with

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Lucretia that the president just cannot violate
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classifying. So if the president takes
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Who could create a process? Who
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a violation of the separation of Powers
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president had to follow it in order
to declassify something. If none of it

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makes sense. So I have to
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comically absurd about you, the premier
defender of the unitary executive asking me that

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question, because I'm going to throw
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to me Lucretia's right now. There
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say, minor strike minor. There
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did he actually wave his hand in
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documents with him or did it happen
after January twenty? Okay, maybe that's

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a technical violation of some process.
I still think that's pretty small beer.

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Doesn't even that's not even a bud
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Steve, I agree with that's the
problem. But Julia, go ahead,

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say let me playum prosecution council here. Oh oh oh, Lucrecia's already shooting

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out the laser eyes at me.
But for the moment, they just pretend

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as counsel oh that makes it worse. Linda always, I'm sorry. Lucretia

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always smiles right before the knife goes
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with Deep but now here, so
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that I don't really think the documents
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Biden and Pence are not going to
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they actually did. Technically they did, yeah, I technically they did.

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No. I think the real legal
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of justice. And I think the
key this is just my tea leafree.

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I think the key thing that happened
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Trump's own attorney to testify against him, which usually it is not permissible because

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usually you have attorney client privilege.
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to the prosecution is really going to
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grand jury by getting his lawyers to
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and we're turning over all the classified
documents. There aren't any other And then

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remember then the FBI went and searched
mar Lago found a bunch more, and

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even that's not really obstruction. What
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that they had searched and found them
all when they're going to say, oh,

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Trump was really secretly hiding more of
them. That substruction of justice and

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lying to the government. But but
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I guess I know the answer to
my own question. How can you be

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charged with obstruction of justice when there
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on? Oh? I just have
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I was just going to say,
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that was a travesty. That was
an absolute travesty. And I guess what

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it really takes us down to is
that that this Justice Department is willing to

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weaponize its prosecutorial powers in any way
it has to to make sure that Trump

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never ever ever gets into power again. They tried to keep him from getting

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into power the first time, and
they are so fearful about what Trump could

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bring to the table in terms of
actually this time maybe exposing how just deeply

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corrupt the whole, the whole god
awful situation is that they're willing to do

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anything and just hope that something sticks, because this one is so silly to

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me. It would be silly if
it wasn't so awful, you know,

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So, I mean it is.
It's so trite to say it's banana Republic

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stuff, but it really is.
This is not what Americans do, and

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they certainly don't prosecute a former president
on such slim charges and just and expect

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everybody to think, oh, yeah, this is great. Except the problem

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is there's too many people out there
talking head saying well, maybe maybe drives

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me crazy. That's why we need
you, John, we need I think

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one thing she says really important to
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at the and the arguments on cable
TV get they're going right now, is

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that this is a momentous step.
Right, this is the first time a

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former president has ever been indicted by
the Justice Department. So even bragged this

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is the first time ever. But
these are whacka doodle, stay prosecutor.

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Yeah, this is the first time
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And I think it's the first time
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campaign has also been indicted by the
Justice Department. And it's another second,

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yeah, second serious step. Not
only is he a serious candidate, but

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he says, if you believe the
polls, he's he's got got the most

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support both in amongst Democrats and Republicans. He's got more support than any other

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candidate running right now. And that
does seem a little bit like election interference,

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now, doesn't it. You remember
he was prosecuted, indicted by Bragg

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for trying to influence the outcome of
an election. I mean, I think

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that's his secondary felony right after the
business, you know, I mean the

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hypocrisy of these people there. I
can't I'm the words, and that that

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doesn't let me, Steve, let
me see what should the Biden administration or

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the attorney general be doing here?
Well, oh gosh, I mean two

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things come to mind. One is, uh, maybe we think this is

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a mistake in retrospect, or maybe
not. We mean us three or people

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who think like this, But the
wider world we know that when James Comy

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got up in July twenty sixteen and
said, we looked at Hillary's email business

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and are not going to charge her. No reasonable prosecutor would bring this case.

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The next sentence that was silent was
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who she is. But you know, the case he laid out was devastating

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and it was clear to anyone paying
close attention that she violated the law,

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and any other person would have been
charged and convicted for that. Okay,

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the point was he decided many other
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to jail for much much less.
Correct. Now, The point is is

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that at the back of that was
the decision that you know, boy,

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when you know, the line is
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into things that ought to be left
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And by the way, in a
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did the American people decide? They
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like her right now? So fast
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me you can do the same logic. It's got its same defects. On

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the other hand, noticed that just
in the last ten days since Ron de

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Samis formally became a candidate, he's
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if you believe the cynical theory,
and I say cynical, I think there's

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reasons to believe it that the Democrats
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against Trump, and I, by
the way, I predict that Trump's going

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to get a bump in the polls
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days. And the deciding factor might
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plausibly credit them saying, you know, Comey really should have charged Hillary Clinton.

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is, you know what, we
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be the nominee and we want to
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So you know, we'll come back
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if it's on your list, John, the Voting Rights Act case and whether

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John Roberts has capitulated once again the
political pressure, but whether stay, whether

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got up Lucretia will get to that, why in time to do that or

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maybe not this week, in future
weeks anyway, Sorry, I'm rambling a

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bit, John, But the point
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line here between serious application of the
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so many people distrust with very good
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ask both of you though I get
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of equivalence between what happened with Hillary
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except that Hillary Clinton actually did a
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she had been doing seriously bad things
for a very long time, for a

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very long time, things that undermine
our national security, you know, selling

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iranium to the Russians, etc.
On and on and on. Never mind

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all the stuff that supposedly happened years
before that. The fact that the Justice

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Department wasn't willing to even look into
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gotten the nomination is a huge indictment. And what I'm saying is there's no

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analogy between the one and the other. You're probably right by the time it

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got to that place in the campaign
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right, not far before the election, the major candidate of a major

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political party. Maybe it would have
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have indicted her at that point,
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a year and a half before,
gone to her and said, look,

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you are corrupt as hell, and
we will expose you if you even think

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about trying to run for president.
But of course they weren't going to do

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that because they were all linking her. You know what, And I'm not

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going to say it out loud.
That's the difference between then and now.

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Well, that's the way Jaker Hoover
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right, and it would have been
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Yeah. I mean, maybe you
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to her and you say, we
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vile, excuse for a human being, and we will expose you if

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you try to run for president.
Go play with your grandchildren, plan another

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wedding, do some more yoga whatever
she said she was doing. Yeah right,

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yeah, right. So here's one
another point I'd like to throw both

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your ways. I think if you
agree with Lucretia about this is what we

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call selective prosecution. The argument is
that the government is prosecuting is choosing much

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cases to prosecute unfairly. The problem
is that's usually a political argument, not

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a legal argument, in the sense
that Donald Trump can't get up in court

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as part of his defense and say
I'm innocent because you aren't charging the other

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guy too. Usually that doesn't work. So what is your think is what's

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Donald Trump's defense? What's his strategy
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war in the public arena, you
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but make them in right debates,
campaign ads, speeches. That's really where

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the fight should go on, because
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really aren't going to be even immissible
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lawyers to say those things to the
jury because he would say, it doesn't

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matter if Hillary Clinton's guilty. What
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us right now is good. And
I'm not saying Trump should ever try to

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make that analogy. I was responding
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ask you both this question. No, and I don't mean that like a

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nasty I really don't. I'm just
saying that's often said Steve, and it

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makes sense. But the problem is
is that it doesn't anyway. Here here's

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my question for you. When uh, when back in with the Saturday night

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massacre, right, Uh, why
did those attorney generals all resign rather than

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do a corrupt president, or so
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can I just ask you Lucretia too. For listeners who may not know exactly

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what you mean, please say a
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your area, Steve. This is
wants for you to make an historical analogy

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for me. No, I want
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Come on Watergate. Here. The
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October weekend in nineteen seventy three when
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not an independent council. We didn't
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an old Kennedy you know, partisan
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it was, was a client needs
I think Elliot Richardson Richardson, and he

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refused to fire him, and he
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And then Richard Kleindienst was the deputy
attorney general. He refused to fire Rockles

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House. Ruckles House Okay, raucles
House Okay. Ruckles House refused to fire

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Archibald Colox, and he resigned.
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and he fired Archibald Colox. Now
it is where Sorry, I didn't

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have to do this Lucresia being you
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both Richardson and ruckles House told Burke, you should carry out the president's order

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because the president is correct on the
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counsel, but we object on political
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a huge important point. Sorry,
Lucisia, I just wanted to listen to

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what's different then versus now. Actually, I think Lucretia's lu Christian makes an

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excellent point that applies here because in
that case it was President Nixon who fired,

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right the attorney general who fired the
deput and then the deputtorney General resigned

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it. I mean, they wanted
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what that makes clear to me that
I think we should underscore here tonight is

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that this is really President Biden's responsibility, and it's actually Marek Garland's responsibility.

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They can't go and say, oh, this is some guy named Jack Smith

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who's a neutral prosecutor and is just
exercising, you know, the objective judgment

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of the administrative state. This is
a political that this isn't part of political

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decision, just when it decides what
the prosecute decides whether it's in the public

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interest, so it's really under the
constitution. Still, Ultimately, Marek Garland's

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decision and President Biden's decision to prosecute
someone who's running against them in the presidential

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election is the most sensible thing you
have said in weeks. What has that

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much? But that's exactly the point, and that's why I guess that's where

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I would see an analogy that you
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save his own bacon, we get
that, but people in people in his

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administration understood that to make the Justice
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damaging that they wouldn't do it political, legal or otherwise. You're right,

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it was a political argument. But
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my opinion, that someone like uh, Elliot Richardson would say, I work

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for this guy, but I'm not
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of the rule of law. It
is you know, it's a bad look.

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Whatever you might want to say,
Why isn't anyone looking at Biden and

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saying, well, exactly what John
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allowing your Justice Department to go after
your political opponent, and that is the

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lowest of the low when it comes
to corrupt government. That just doesn't get

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any lower than that. Can I
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lucrecious point, I think the political
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it it becomes clear to everybody,
as I hope it would, that Lucrecious

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point about right, This is the
incumbent party right using its power prosecution to

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interfere with the challenger's ability to make
it, you know, to kick them

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out of office. You mentioned earlier
Stevie thought that Trump might actually get a

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bump out of this in the polls. That seems to have Finn what happened

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when brag prosecuted indicted him. Do
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primaries? Well, I mean,
we'll see the primaries are ways off yet,

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however, what I do, but
yes, I think it helps him.

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But even just steps out, can
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being indicted by the Justice Department help
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how I lets say, step back
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at again. Put in my old
caveats about how crappy polls are. But

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there have been several polls now our
friend Glenn Reynolds likes to bring attention to

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these that find, you know,
increasing numbers of Americans say they do not

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trust the law enforcement apparatus of our
country. There's actually one pole. It

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might be rass Mussin, and okay, rass Mussin is a little dodgy in

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some ways, but often accurate in
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a pole where they very pointedly try
to direct people to have to confront the

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question is the Justice Department, is
the FBI? Are they the personal political

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praetorian guard for Biden? They actually
said, are they like the secret police

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for Biden? And a very large
number say yes. I don't think you

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could have gotten that kind of number
even in the Nixon years or any other

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time in American history. So I
think, you know, while liberals are

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desperate to do anything to damage from
I think that this does great damage to

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public trust for American institutions. One
quick conclusion to this, I've been talking

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a lot lately, and I do
it in class. I have for years

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about the the trust question as it's
called or the confidence in government questions that

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posters have been asking since the late
fifties. So you may know this.

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In the late fifties, Gallup,
Harris, the other big people. They

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found that almost eighty percent eight zero
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to do the right thing most of
the time. So, yeah, numbers

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around fifteen percent. What's going on
right now, it's going to drive fifteen

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percent. Well, I'm gonna say, I'll bet now that's going to drive

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that number under ten percent. And
then liberals are gonna wonder, why do

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people hate the government? We want
to do all these good things with government.

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They're the ones attacking institutions and the
Supreme Court. Maybe we'll come to

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that, John, But the point
is is that they wake up and never

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mind their It's a big complicated story, but one part of it is the

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relentless attack on our institutions from the
left. And now suddenly you do a

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stunt like this, You know,
they even if you think Trump was reckless

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to take those documents, and who
the hell knows what the facts are about

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all that, it's a political mistake
for someone like Biden and the Democrats to

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say we're going to indict him for
this, that that is a political malpractice.

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One on one, can you ask
a mundane question for just a second,

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how important do you think it was
that Biden and Pence also we're found

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to have mishandled old classified documents.
This might have been a lot more successful

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of a prosecution. And maybe I'm
never gonna say that it would have been

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right, but the idea that they
did it. Anyway, a week and

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a half after they said no,
we're not going to diet Pence, he

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took it to his house. We
know Pence never had any kind of security

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like like there is at marl Largo. We know that, we know where,

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we know where Biden kept it there
with his treasured corvette that his drug

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adult son took all of his prostitutes
out in. You know, maybe the

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prostitutes were safe. I don't know. But anyway, my point is my

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point that might just makes it I
know it's a mundane point, but it

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makes it so much more obviously corrupt
and foul when you think about the fact

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that if this had been an isolated
incident where nobody in the history of the

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universe had ever no president, no
national political figure of any kind it ever

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mishandled classified documents, you know,
never had a server in her bathroom that

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she wiped clean with the rag.
Then maybe, But but it's so obvious

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in this case, and you just
have to be the most kind of rabid

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anti Trump partisan not to see it
that way, don't you. I mean,

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you don't just have to be like
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a lefty who just has no brain. Well, can I use that moment

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to segus actually to the next topic. No, No, because it ties

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right into the next topic, which
is all the people jumping into the race

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for the Republican nomination, and one
in particular, Mike Pence, and actually

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the other one, Chris Christie,
are making a big deal about President Trump's

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legal problems. Imagine, I believe, yeah, yeah, But in contrast

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to the other other people writing who
been treating this very gingerly right or not

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talking about it at all. Pence
yesterday, I think, after he announced

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said something like no one who would
violate the Constitution should become president again,

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right, it's obvious who he's referring
to, Um, Chris Christie coming in

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also attacking Trump. You shouldn't be
allowed to be president. So I my

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boys, just is this going to
help their candidate caes? Is this actually

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the reason they're getting into the race? Um? What effect do you think

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this is going to have with regard
to the other candidates? Did you see

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did you hear you said you listened
to last week's podcast where you dissed us

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and didn't show up. Um,
but you listened and you did you hear?

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You know? I was in there. I there, I was in

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the air, and I thought that
you were wholly taking it easy on Steve.

409
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.559
I was shocked. I was got
off so easy, I know.

410
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But but did you hear my Babylon
be about Chris Christie can eat everyone's lunch?

411
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:10.920
That was so funny on? Yeah? But but does it? But

412
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:17.599
doesn't? But doesn't this indictment tonight
give Christie and Pence more fodder? Or

413
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see? Or they almost gonna be
like see I told you no, they

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become they joined forces with the corrupt
FBI and Department of Justice. When they

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do that, we hold on a
minute. I mean, uh, well,

416
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.559
let's separate the two uh pence of
speech. I think you didn't mischaracterize

417
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.480
it, John, but I think
you left out or or overlook the main

418
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part of it, which is he's
going to go full January sixth. He's

419
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:45.880
gonna stand up on the debate stage
with Trump and say, your reckless actions

420
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.400
threatened my life and the life of
my family and people in the Capitol.

421
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:55.039
Okay, I'm fine. You may
think that's right, somebo that happens.

422
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.839
Well, but wait a minute.
We'll see how Trump responds to that.

423
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.920
He's gonna do that. That's his
main line of attack, not this other

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I think sort of silly stuff.
Christie, of course, holds paper on

425
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.679
the fact that, uh, Chris, how would that work? It was

426
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:17.079
Jared Kushner's father was prosecuted by Christy
when Christie was the US attorney was attorney.

427
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.039
Okay, so there there's some bad
there's some personal stuff there, bore.

428
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.199
And Christie thinks himself a giant killer
because he supposedly, the legend goes,

429
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.280
took out Marco Rubio in twenty sixteen. Rubio, by the way,

430
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.119
this week had a bunch of tweets
disputing this, which I thought was very

431
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.880
weak Rubio to do. But never
mind. H So, anyway, those

432
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.840
two guys are gonna be after Trump
in a big way, and we'll see

433
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.840
if it works. I mean there, I don't know. That doesn't help

434
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:49.039
Trump. If everybody's after Trump,
I think he gets to he'll swap them

435
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.960
away Pence becomes president. I can
never have dinner with you guys again,

436
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.480
Why whoa whoa whoa whoa wa way, why you Scott? What's and Scott

437
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.159
to do with? Because he said
Laurel and he would never do it.

438
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.920
He would never have dinner with a
woman that wasn't his wife. No,

439
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:16.760
alone with dinner alone with both of
you. Yeah. Well, and we're

440
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.079
still recovering from the bruises. I
know. But yeah, I'm not.

441
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:29.280
I'm not entirely sure Pence is wrong
on that one. Have I I told

442
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.400
you the story that I'm responsible for
Mike Pence and politics about No, No,

443
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.000
it's look, it's a grotesque exaggeration, of course, but not inaccurate.

444
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.519
I met Mike at a Liberty Fund
conference about thirty years ago when he

445
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.000
was a radio talk show host from
hart Wayne, Indiana. It was in

446
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.960
I think Montana or Wyoming, and
we're sitting around having a beer around the

447
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.440
fireplace and he's saying, you know, I got friends think I should run

448
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.800
for Congress. And we've been all
day and he's seminars where he was really

449
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.760
good, and I said, oh, you should absolutely do it. And

450
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:00.960
I so they're saying, oh,
you should be great at it, you

451
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.880
should run for office, run for
Congress, and no, look he was

452
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.480
going to do that anyway. I
mean, I'm kind of being facetious here,

453
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.280
but that conversation really took place between
me and a then unknown Mike Pence

454
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:23.159
around the before or after he started
Johnny quest Wait, what's he started from?

455
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:29.159
Johnny, Old, Johnny, what's
Yeah? That's true. No,

456
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.159
no, that's true. He's like
the older guy with the short white hair

457
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.159
and the in the cartoon. Oh
yeah, there are lots of great memes

458
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.440
about that. Yeah. Right,
Oh, I had no idea. So

459
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.159
I think I think very well with
the guy's abilities. H And I mean

460
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.000
he has other defects on the sort
of superficial level that are important in politics,

461
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:52.119
right, I mean his his speech, his opening speech yesterday, he

462
00:36:52.400 --> 00:37:02.920
sounded like he was doing a William
Shatner pausing contest. You cannot go.

463
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:09.440
You can't insult the shot like that. I know he's called. Actually,

464
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.519
to me, it sounds like Pence
doesn't really like what he's saying like it's

465
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.360
like it's like it's just like he's
forcing the words out of himself. My

466
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:24.639
my hunches. Pence has entered the
race to take out Trump and Christy also

467
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.440
and maybe at some point behalf Well. I don't think they're coordinating directly with

468
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.760
because actually it would be technically illegal. But I think at some point they

469
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.119
might drop out and embrace the santis. But they wouldn't do that until after

470
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:42.599
they've landed. Some body blows or
drive to one from That is my speculation

471
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:51.800
right now. So okay, well, just let's turn to a second topic

472
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:57.760
that was gonna originally be listeners the
first topic except for Trump getting indicted tonight,

473
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.280
which is maybe this will make I
don't know if this is going to

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00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.159
make Lucrecia happier. It's the Supreme
Court. Oh god. The Supreme Court

475
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:14.880
issued two opinions today of note one
that Steve is super super eager to talk

476
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:21.519
about, which is Jack Daniels Properties
versus VIP Products. Steve, take it

477
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.199
away about this case. What interests
you so much about this case, which,

478
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.800
for the legal junkies out there,
involves the land em Act and trademark

479
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.480
rules. Normally, this would never
make it under the agenda, onto the

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00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:40.000
agenda of the three Whiskey Happy Hour. But as Lucretia said before, Steve

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00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.039
is wanting to talk about anything that
has the word Jack Daniels in the time

482
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.199
right, it's Jack, she said, it's Jack Daniels property versus VIP products.

483
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.920
Actually it's procedural a case which says
can this case be brought into lower

484
00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:01.360
court for trial? But I just
love the beginning of Justice Kagan's opinion.

485
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.320
I'll just read a couple of sentences, the first sentences. This case is

486
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.440
about dog toys and whiskey, two
items seldom appearing in the same sentence.

487
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.920
But you know, Lucretian, I
being fans of both whiskey and dogs.

488
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.679
This perks up our ears and gets
our tails to wagging. That's all.

489
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.199
It's about what or somebody could do. What was the bad sit uh?

490
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:29.119
They used sort of the Jack Daniels
made toy out of a bottle of Jack

491
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.880
facts simile of a bottle of Jack
Daniels bad Spaniels instead of Jack Daniels.

492
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.719
And and you know what I told
Steve. I told Steve that I get

493
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.880
around these trademark problems. I just
give my dogs real bottles of Jackdive.

494
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.760
And you know it wanted to all
surprise any listeners that Lucretia's dogs chew class

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00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:57.039
because inspires me and yeah, follow
her along, to follow her around slavishly

496
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.920
slavish. Yeah, that they do. My dogs effect when you said something

497
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:05.639
mean to me, because they're used
to Steve saying something mean to me.

498
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.440
But when you said something you mean
to me a little while ago, I

499
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.400
don't remember what it was my dog
started doing outside. I never say anything.

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00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:22.840
And listen, we're gonna we're gonna
delete that from the serious The sub

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00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.320
serious case, i'll describe it briefly, is Alan versus Milligan, and this

502
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:37.199
was a challenge to the state of
Alabama's congressional district drawing and the newspapers.

503
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:44.840
Also In a surprise decision where Chief
Justice Roberts and Brett Cavanaugh joined the three

504
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:52.639
liberals, the Supreme Court today struck
down the districting map for Alabama. Now,

505
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.920
the reason why I think it is
fair to say this is a surprise

506
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.880
is the Court, in an earlier
case a few years ago called Rucco,

507
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:06.400
said we're not going to review district
maps at all. It's too hard.

508
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:13.840
There's no legal standards to review whether
one map has too many Republicans versus Democrats

509
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.159
or has two few. What's the
benchmark? In other word, of course,

510
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.119
what do you compare it to?
What's the perfect objective map? Of

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00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.920
court says this is not a legal
question. It's too hard. But in

512
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.639
this case, which is not brought
as a redistricting case, a simple redistricting

513
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:37.199
case, it's brought as a violation
of the fifteenth Amendment as enforced through the

514
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.480
Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. So what happened here is because of

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00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:51.079
the census, Alabama game population,
but it didn't gain enough population to change

516
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:57.480
the number of congressional seats. So
Alabama continues to have seven seats. But

517
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:02.079
according to the court, the movement, the look the density of the population

518
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:10.800
in the state changed, People moved
around. And so whereas before there was

519
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.239
what you I hate even calling it
this one black seat out of the seven

520
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:22.840
mclaim here that you do that I
hate of itself, not you personally,

521
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:30.360
but the facts what the court,
that's what the court case. And yeah,

522
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.199
I even hate using the language of
the court here. Right, So

523
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:39.199
then the courts is the claim is
that you could actually draw two black districts

524
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:44.800
now out of the seven, and
so the Court actually says this is a

525
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.960
remarkable thing. The Court says it
is a violation of the nineteen sixty five

526
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:55.480
Voting Rights Act for Alabama not to
try to They don't use the word maximize,

527
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.800
but this is kind of what is
to maximize the number of minority of

528
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.360
black congressional districts in Alabama. Now, Justice Thomas, I think wrote a

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00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:13.480
very vigorous descent. In his descent, it repeats the points he made in

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00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.559
a case called Holder versus Hall from
he points out decades and decades ago.

531
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.360
But he says, how do you
get the right to draw districts out of

532
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.199
the language of the nineteen sixty five
Voting Rights Act. Let me just I'm

533
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.920
not trying to get too legalisted,
but let me read you what the sixty

534
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:36.280
five Acts says. It says a
state can have no voting qualification or prerequisite

535
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:43.519
to voting, or a standard practiced
or procedure which results in a denial or

536
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.039
abridgment of the right of as citizen
of the United States to vote on account

537
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:51.800
of race or color. So that
sounds to Justice Thomas, that sounds like

538
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.000
literacy tests. That sounds like just
preventing blacks from getting to the ballot booth.

539
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.239
Yeah, poll techs That sounds like
the battle days when they would make

540
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:07.679
blacks who wanted to vote recite the
Constitution from memory. And there were horrible

541
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:13.719
practices. There were terrible practices.
And then, just as Thomas's point is,

542
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.920
how do you get from that language
to a requirement that the state must

543
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:23.039
draw districts to create more districts where
minorities are sure to win the elections?

544
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:28.960
Can I interrupt here for John and
say you understand it. What you just

545
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:32.519
read is the single sentence of section
two of the Voting Rights Act. And

546
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.960
when I read the news today that, oh, they rested the decision,

547
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.039
I haven't. I haven't a chance
to read the decision yet, but I

548
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:44.360
read in the news they rested it
on section two. I thought section two.

549
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:49.199
I know Shelby County restricted section four. Section four is quite long.

550
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.440
Section two is the sentence you just
read. It's the shortest section in the

551
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:59.239
Voting Rights Act. And as you
say it just it just says no voting

552
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:04.880
qualify vacation are prerequisite. And then
last the last few words are vote on

553
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:09.159
account of race or color doesn't say
anything about what essentially this means is proportional

554
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.760
representation. Sorry, I'm going on
too long. I have more to say

555
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.880
about this, but continue and no, no, no, no, no,

556
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.159
no, that I was over,
And then can I say something simple

557
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.280
about it? Oh? Go ahead, which I think it goes to what

558
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.760
you were saying when you didn't even
like to use the language of the court.

559
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:31.960
How patronizing and paternalistic is it to
assume that the only way that,

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00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.159
first of all, minorities are represented
is to have somebody who looks like them,

561
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:45.480
who that only blacks can represent blacks
in congressional districts. And then another

562
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.840
problem you have with this, and
and you know, back in the when

563
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:57.039
they were talking about the ninety sixty
five Voting Rights Act and extending the Voting

564
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.960
Rights Act all that kind of stuff, this was a common argument, but

565
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:06.320
it was always overlooked. And that
is imagine, say an at large election

566
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.760
in a decent sized city. An
at large election means that everybody goes to

567
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.360
the polls and votes, and whoever, let's say there's five seats, whoever

568
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:24.039
gets the top five vote winners become
city council persons. Okay, And these

569
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:30.880
were considered on the face of them, prima fasciat evidence of discrimination, because

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00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:37.280
they often resulted in UM because if
you've got five city council seats and that

571
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:44.000
they wouldn't they wouldn't be proportionally representative
of the minority minority populations that might be

572
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:47.320
within that city. Well yeah,
sorry, really quickly, here's what I

573
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.360
mean. No black person is going
to get elected, so right, and

574
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:58.320
so they carve out these minority majority
minority districts so that it would be certain

575
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.679
a minority person would get elected,
and all that often did, especially in

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00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.920
um you know, smaller city council
in the South, was ensured that that

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00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:15.079
one person represented all the minorities had
no real influence inside the city council because

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00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:21.239
it was one vote out of five
and the rest of the council persons who

579
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:27.000
were elected in their white majority districts
didn't have to give a damn about what

580
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.960
the interests of the minorities were because
they didn't they were they had no opportunity

581
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.360
to represent them. Why should they, And so it's just a stupid idea.

582
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.320
Never mind the idea that that you
would only vote for someone who looks

583
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.719
like you, or you're only represented
when somebody looks like you. Never mind

584
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.119
the idea that that's not what the
Voting Rights Act says, or the or

585
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.079
the fifteenth Amendment. It's a denial
of the right to vote, not the

586
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.199
denial of the right to have somebody
who looks like you be voted into office.

587
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:02.480
So let me cause you just to
make a point that Justice Thomas not

588
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.679
so clearly in this case, but
in the one he wrote back in nineteen

589
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.719
ninety four, I think he wrote
an opinion on this point saying, isn't

590
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:17.360
the assumption of all this equally racist? Because of what Lucretia just said.

591
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:23.119
You're assuming that people of a race
would want to only vote for someone of

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00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:28.079
their same race. Isn't that racist? And then he says, and you're

593
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.800
assuming that someone, say, you
have a white congressman, that white congressman

594
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.599
only wants to represent what white voters
want. Isn't that racist too, because

595
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:44.880
you're assuming that race means certain ideas
or viewpoints. Um. Yes, And

596
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:50.440
it's before you get to the point
even yeah, well yes, Robert Justice

597
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.840
Roberts wrote the opinion. So,
oh gosh, there's a lot to say

598
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:59.559
here. So John at two points
for starters, One is Lucretian ire.

599
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.559
Wow, we're a heated agreement about
all this. I think she'll sign some

600
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.519
defective when I say, maybe I
will worry just make you feel better.

601
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:10.440
This all traces back to the original
sin of excuse me of discrete and incident

602
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:17.440
minorities and Carolean products. But second, look, I'll restate what Lucretia said

603
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:21.519
in a different way, which is, oh, all right, let's just

604
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.320
let's go forward from this decision.
They're now going to be two black districts

605
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:28.840
in Alabama. We think, okay, great, you're gonna have two black

606
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.760
representatives. They'll be Democrats. They'll
join the Congressional Black Caucus. The Congressional

607
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.400
Black Caucus is dominated by the far
left, and they'll have to go along

608
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.920
with them. They want to prosper
in the House of Representatives. I guarantee

609
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:47.679
you that the Democratic leadership publicly will
swear up and down about how great the

610
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:53.239
Congressional Black Caucus is and privately complain
about their radicalism none the words they're this

611
00:49:53.480 --> 00:50:00.480
self marginalizes black representatives much better if
you have districts. To restate Lucresia's point,

612
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.920
where it doesn't matter what color you
are, where people are saying,

613
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.440
you know, gosh, twenty five
percent of the voters of my district are

614
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.760
black. I ought to pay attention
to their opinions and their interests in my

615
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.719
campaign and in how I govern an
office. If you put them in one

616
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.280
concentrated district, as Lucretia said,
you don't have to do this. This

617
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:28.239
makes our politics worse. And the
problem here is, maybe this made some

618
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:30.159
sense. I'm going to make a
concession here that Lucretia will quarrel with.

619
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:35.760
Maybe this made sense sixty years ago
because of the problematic history of the South.

620
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.880
However, how does this apply to
California today? You know, sixty

621
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.320
years ago it was really black and
white America with a handful of Hispanics.

622
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.960
How do you do this in California? Already whites or minority in California.

623
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.679
Are we going to now have a
lawsuit saying that forty percent of the congresional

624
00:50:52.719 --> 00:51:00.840
districts must have white majorities and you
know ten percent Asian problem is, Steve,

625
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:07.000
you've forgotten that it's not anymore because, as we all know now,

626
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.199
Hispanics can be white supremacists too.
No, you have put together exactly,

627
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:16.719
of course, Asians, Asians and
Jews too. So really, you know,

628
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:22.880
we're back to square one where umm
Asians are white, Asians are white

629
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:30.280
adjacent congressional aggressional in the adjacent.
No, this is a my somebody said

630
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.360
it me. Somebody sent me a
text today, a friend saying what the

631
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.199
hell? And I said, this
is the electional equivalent of Rowe versus Wade,

632
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.039
and I think it won't last as
long as Roe versus Way. This

633
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.360
is going to have to be overturned. But okay, we have why John

634
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.960
just left us, If you want
to go ahead, I hope everybody sees

635
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.960
John on Well I wan't. No, no one's seeing I know, I

636
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.880
know, but no tonight. If
I hope that when they're listened to this

637
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.840
on Saturday, that they know that
John left us to go be on Fox

638
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.440
used to talk about this very thing
we were talking about earlier, which is

639
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.079
Trump's indictment. I hope everybody sees
him and he didn't hurt our feelings by

640
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.320
saying he had to leave. So
right, yeah, But so it's now

641
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.880
just me and Lucretia again, you
know, with our boxing gloves on,

642
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.559
and we're all that stup. No, but we don't disagree on any of

643
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:20.239
this, Steve. You know,
and you know, I don't know how

644
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.119
I would have felt about things.
I will tell you, you know,

645
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:30.480
for you remember, Steve, listeners
won't know. But when I was very

646
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.840
young, my mother got very sick
and I was sent to live with my

647
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:40.559
grandparents in the deep, deep backwoods
of Alabama. And I experienced in a

648
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.559
way that not very many people do, the kind of abject racism that was

649
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:51.840
still very much a part of that, you know, m rural Alabama.

650
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.360
My mother would never go back there, she I mean, my mother.

651
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:01.519
But anyway, so I can say
that I know what that looked like in

652
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.280
some sort of, you know,
kind of primal sense. Certainly I didn't

653
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:12.000
understand the politics of it back then. Maybe I would have been willing to

654
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:19.880
abandon the important principle of racial equality
and equality before the law in order to

655
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.519
say things have been so awful for
blacks in the South for so long,

656
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:28.119
we've got to do something. So
that's why I wanted to concede the point

657
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.679
you made just a few moments ago. Steve. Maybe I would have,

658
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:35.920
But what we know now is,
of course that was probably bad. It

659
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.719
would have been well intentioned, but
it was a bad idea. Because you

660
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:43.519
abandoned the principle. It's very hard
to get it back right. And the

661
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.119
worst part of it is is that
it has had exactly the outcome that you

662
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.960
just mentioned, which is it's you
know, it's in many ways it's marginalized

663
00:53:53.679 --> 00:54:01.000
decent otherwise decent representatives who've gone into
Congress and are sort of forced into that

664
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:07.440
whole awful situation. Well, I'll
say two last things and then I'm taking

665
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:15.280
over now listeners, we'll see.
So at two last points, which is,

666
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.280
let us remember this is a Democratic
Party mess that we were trying to

667
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.599
clean up with the Voting Rights Act. Oh yes. And second, if

668
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.760
you look at black Republicans have been
elected over the years to the House,

669
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.639
they usually come from districts that are
either swing districts or Republican districts where guess

670
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:35.599
what the voters said, Oh,
that's the best person for the job.

671
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.840
They reflect my opinions better. Right. So absolutely, yeah, you know,

672
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.360
it's really not that hard to get
there. It's not. Maybe it

673
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:52.800
was a hundred years ago, it's
not today now here. Let's let's believe

674
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.199
me. Between now and the end
of the Supreme Court term at the end

675
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:58.760
of the month, we're going to
come back to this a bunch just Chief

676
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.599
Justice Roberts was the I who,
as I recall, wrote the majority opinion

677
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:07.039
in the Shelby County case, which
was a voting rights at case ten twelve

678
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.679
years ago, and that cut back
on section four, which is much longer

679
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.280
and I've kind of forgotten, and
the left was outraged. So very much

680
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.800
of it had a bunch of very
specific what's what I'm looking for? It

681
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:24.599
outcomes that had to be complied with. It much more specific, like you

682
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:30.920
say, much longer than section two. I think that this is another I

683
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:36.159
honestly think I have only read a
part of the case that this is another

684
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:46.159
example of Roberts caring more about the
quote unquote integrity of the court and he

685
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:52.159
thinks that maybe this isn't that important, and he gives a concession to the

686
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:57.039
left and maybe people will back off
and won't try to pack the cord and

687
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.760
keep trying to under It's not going
to work that way, because Ian Millheiser

688
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.400
is going to write, surprise,
the Supreme Court did this, but of

689
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.679
course they should have been. Then
tomorrow, when the Court overturns affirmative action,

690
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.800
he's going to go back on the
warpath and so with every other Yeah,

691
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.199
see, that's exactly what I think
is. You know, we know

692
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.599
that he worries about I mean,
we know from twenty twelve that he initially

693
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.280
cast his vote in the first vote
after the oral argument to strike down Obamacare

694
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:31.119
and then changed his vote under political
pressure. And now we're seeing this massive

695
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:36.280
political pressure on the court from the
left, and he does this decision,

696
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.599
and yeah, you really do wonder
if he's saying, oh, I want

697
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:42.239
to do this to throw the left
of bone when we strike down affirmative action.

698
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.840
And it also emerges because it was
so for listeners who don't know,

699
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:51.079
it was a five floor decision,
and so it was Roberts and Kavanaugh going

700
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.400
with the three Democrats. So Kavanaugh
is now the median justice, as we

701
00:56:54.559 --> 00:57:02.760
suspected he might be. And if
Kavanaugh had said that frat boy by no,

702
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.360
I agree with all that, I
mean it. We'll leave that aside

703
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:07.920
for now. Sorry, I'm just
trying to lighten the mood a little here,

704
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.840
Steve, Oh, I know,
But the point is, if Kavanaugh

705
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.880
had said, no, I'm voting
with the other four conservatives, Roberts then

706
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.960
might have thrown in with him.
I don't know, he might have done

707
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:21.719
like he didn't dabbs and try and
strike out a steak out some in coherent

708
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.639
middle position. All right, let
us because John was bad at this,

709
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.199
let us take a quick break for
a word from our sponsors, and then

710
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.800
we'll come back with our last topic
for the week and our closing items as

711
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:39.599
usual. All right, listeners have
been as mentioned before, asking for a

712
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:45.599
while about could we give a look
list of you know, ten best books

713
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.599
to read on this and that or
so forth. And we've been trying to

714
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.280
think about this and thought, well, we'll try to offer you know,

715
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.639
a good book or two in certain
category, so you know, philosophy,

716
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:02.119
history, biography, political science,
economic literature perhaps, And I offer to

717
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:07.280
go first this week with a recommendation
for philosophy. John, you, by

718
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.559
the way, said I have nothing
to say about philosophy, which is obvious

719
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:16.360
dating its listen for a while,
and so this is a problem. So

720
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:22.119
I'm going to give my book that
I when someone asked me what one book

721
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:27.119
should I read in philosophy? Very
tough to make a recommendation, but I

722
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.880
have one, and I think Lucretia
is going to we'll get back to our

723
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.519
usual mode where she's gonna say why
I'm defective or what's missing, which is

724
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:39.079
fine, Okay. My book is
a book from nineteen eighty one. It's

725
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:45.440
Alistair McIntyre, the book called After
Virtue. It was a big sensation when

726
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.599
it came out forty some years ago. It's now in its third edition,

727
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.320
and of course it's not perfect.
And so here's the problem. Lucrisian And

728
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.840
you know, of course i'd like
to say to somebody, well, really

729
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:59.719
want to read you know, Plato
and Aristotle and Locke and Hobbs and everybody

730
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:04.039
by you know, you really can't
read those books by yourself. We had

731
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.639
great teachers for them, and I
think you need those those difficult books.

732
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:12.280
After Virtue is a challenging book,
but really what it's about is the decay

733
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:19.079
of moral virtue from antiquity up to
modern times. And I can say more

734
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.159
about it, but I will just
say the central chapter. Let me pause

735
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:27.519
here and say answer an objection.
Already, he totally ignores Leo Strauss and

736
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:32.000
that's a mistake and that whole line
of understanding of political philosophy. But the

737
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:38.639
central chapter of the book is called
Aristotle versus Nietzsche, and I think that

738
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:45.360
is one of these central quarrels in
philosophy across all of human existence. And

739
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:50.519
I think a lot of the explanation
of the decay of moral thinking is really

740
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.679
good. It's a pretty readable book, even though it's difficult in places,

741
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.280
And that's why I recommend After Virtue
by Alister McIntyre, who is a complicated

742
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.559
figure. And I'll stop there.
La can either. By the way,

743
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.079
Blue you give me what's your book? I mean, if you don't like

744
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:09.679
it, probably if I had to
for a reasonably too exceptionally intelligent person,

745
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:15.039
I would probably tell them to read
Natural Write in History, which does a

746
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.639
much better job, I think than
that chapter on Aristotle Nizza, which I

747
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:24.480
haven't read in a hundred years,
but I don't remember being especially impressed by

748
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:28.920
it. Not that I thought it
was really wrong, but it wasn't it.

749
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:34.199
He doesn't have the facility for writing. In my opinion, He's a

750
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.760
little harder to read. But Natural
Write in History will introduce you to thinking

751
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:43.920
about things and give you a framework
where you can actually begin to tackle some

752
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:49.400
of those some of those philosophers on
your own, and it points you into

753
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:53.079
the direction of other things. I
mean, I read Nietzsche as a as

754
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:59.159
a kid, as you know,
like a twenty year old, and yeah,

755
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:01.800
well you're really good at this stuff. And no I wasn't. But

756
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:07.440
I wasn't. I really wasn't,
and you know I was. I struggled

757
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.920
with it. And then of course
I read some of the commentators on Nietzsche

758
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.639
and whatnot. But I would I
guess that because things are How do I

759
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:25.280
say this? Because the left is
so pervasive, and you know, everywhere

760
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:30.639
we go we're told truth is relative, and we're told all those leftist tropes

761
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:35.639
or modern tropes or postmodern tropes,
however you want to put it. At

762
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.480
least, if you start with natural
right and history, you have a new

763
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:42.960
way to think about things that you
may not have thought about before. And

764
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.480
if that interests you, you're very
likely to go look at some other things.

765
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:50.440
And if it doesn't interest you,
maybe philosophy is not your thing,

766
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.320
well, yeah, it's not the
thing for a lot of people. You

767
01:01:54.519 --> 01:02:00.920
people are all can I should I
read Mortimer Adler's Aristotle for everybody I've gotten

768
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:05.719
in trouble with listeners for dishing on
that in the past, or the Copplestone

769
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.320
five or eight volume history of philosophy, which I don't care for. Yeah,

770
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.440
yeah, let me just say Steve
that you just made me think of

771
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:16.519
something. The difference is and maybe
that's why, and I didn't do a

772
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:21.239
very good job at all of articulating
it. If you want to be serious

773
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.000
about it, you read natural right
in history. If you don't want to

774
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.199
be serious about it, then you
you know, you get some Harvard Classics

775
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:32.119
collection in leather and you know,
work your way through it. But there's

776
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:39.519
a difference between actually being seriously interested
in the deep philosophical human questions or dabbing

777
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:45.880
in philosophy like you would um,
you know, art criticism or you know

778
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:50.280
that music appreciation. That's what I
would say the difference is. And I'm

779
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:55.360
not going to accuse MacIntyre of being
in the latter camp, but he's closer

780
01:02:55.440 --> 01:03:00.840
to it, much closer than than
Leo Strauss. Is all two things I'll

781
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.159
say about McIntyre. You know,
he was as a younger man. He's

782
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.480
still alive, he's very old now, but he was a Marxist and he's

783
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:13.079
shed that to become a serious Catholic. And he's a critic of the liberal

784
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.119
tradition and wasted. By the way, you're very current now with people like

785
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:20.880
Pat the Dean, who I'm going
to be talking to tomorrow. And it's

786
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.039
not a book of political full lots, so that, by the way,

787
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:27.719
I haven't nothing bad to say about
natural right and history. It's got to

788
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.639
be one of the greatest books of
the twentieth century, no question of that.

789
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:38.800
The After Virtue is not about political
philosophy directly. However, I'm going

790
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.280
to spring this on music because they
can't resist it. In the second edition,

791
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.320
he responded to the left hated this
book. I left that out.

792
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.599
The left hated this book and trashed
it all over the place. Because he's

793
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.920
really trying to make an argument for
classical Greek and Christian morality. Now,

794
01:03:55.079 --> 01:04:00.280
there may be some difficulties there.
And he takes it up in a postcript

795
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.559
to the second edition. And I
just want to read to you because I'm

796
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:06.199
not sure you know this Lucretia.
It's two or three sentences, so I'm

797
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:11.360
going to read it. I'm just
going to start to middle without any preface

798
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:17.480
to explain it. He says any
reconciliation of Biblical theology and Aristotelianism would have

799
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:23.320
to sustain a defense of the thesis
that only a life constituted in key part

800
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:29.559
by obedience to law would be such
as to exhibit fully those virtues without which

801
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.519
human beings cannot achieve their telos.
That's a long complicated sentence. I'm breaking

802
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:38.440
in here to say tels meaning the
end of human beings their highest achievement,

803
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:44.679
and law is important for that.
And okay, any justified rejection of such

804
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:49.400
a reconciliation would have to give reasons
for denying that thesis. The classic statement

805
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:53.960
in defense of that thesis is of
course, by A. Quintas, and

806
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:59.719
the most coaching statement of the case
against it is in an unduly neglected modern

807
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:05.440
cla classic Harry Jaffa's commentary on Acquinas's
commentary on the Nico McKeon Ethics, Tomism

808
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:11.760
and Aristotelianism Parentheses, Chicago, nineteen
fifty two. So there, at the

809
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.679
conclusion of his updated version, he
gives a shout out to our great teachers,

810
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.400
saying, this guy's go his finger
on the problem that opens up all

811
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.360
new cannon worms. But I'll just
say that just to mess with your hand,

812
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.320
Lucretia, because that's my chief purpose
in life, I know. But

813
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:30.360
why so why not still go with
something better? Well, that's right,

814
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.280
in history doesn't really get into that
problem directly, But the theological political problem,

815
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.840
I don't think it does. I
think it does. I mean,

816
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:43.079
I think Jaffa carries on from there. But I think you begin to question

817
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.960
that problem if you read Strauss,
which is exactly why Jaffa began to question

818
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.440
it. So, yeah, well, or leaving out listeners is that it

819
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:57.800
is alleged and it has complicated that
Jaffa changed his mind about that book because

820
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.079
that was his doctoral dissertation early fifties. But it's still a great book,

821
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.039
and it is a great book.
You can learn a lot from it.

822
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:09.239
But I wouldn't I would argue that
if one reads a New Birth of Freedom

823
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:15.239
carefully and goes back and rereads Tomism
and Aristatilia Aristotilianism, you will come to

824
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.559
the conclusion that Jeff at least did
some evolving over the years. Yeah,

825
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:25.000
and that's going to require an eight
part series of power Line University with you.

826
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:33.199
You won't do We won't do that, by the way, talk about

827
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:39.039
Cornell West Yeah right, yeah,
well, I mean, yeah, I

828
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:44.480
had no idea, but that'll that'll
wait, it will and my joke was

829
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:46.519
as Cornell West should run with Kanye
West. I'd be West and West or

830
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:53.000
West squared, you know it would
be anyway, Oh Steve, what your

831
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.440
jokes get worse and worse, They
get more dad jokey by the day.

832
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.079
All right, do you do you
want to send this out? I mean,

833
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.960
there aren't any new camelisms because she's
being kept under wraps, as Noah

834
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:09.800
Rothlan observe in National Review this week. So I just have to tell you

835
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:15.400
though that I got a little dig. You know, the opportunities in academia

836
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.960
to get digs against you know,
the leftist orthodox there are few and far

837
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:27.280
between. But I have been appointed
to I've been appointed as to lead a

838
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:33.920
working group for the university on integrity
in education and artificial intelligence. Right,

839
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:41.440
and so somebody from the university sends
me this document from the White House,

840
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:49.519
which there's some task force at the
White House that is Undercamala Harris, who

841
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:55.039
remember is now the new artificial intelligence
are And you did make a bunch of

842
01:07:55.119 --> 01:08:01.440
dad jokes about that I won't repeat, But so I had the opportunity to

843
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:08.199
say that I because they want they
want input, they want people with expertise

844
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:16.279
in different areas of artificial intelligence to
answer their deep questions. And I made

845
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:23.439
one of your dad jokes about Kamala's
artificial intelligence. And you should have seen

846
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:28.680
everybody in the room turned white.
Oh, I mean it was that nobody

847
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:34.520
said anything because it was so obvious. Then she's so dumb and she anyway

848
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:38.359
anyway, Sorry, I just got
off on a tangent on it, but

849
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.760
I thought you'd be proud of me
for making a dad of your dad jokes

850
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:45.840
about Kamala Harris. So that's the
best I can do for a Kamalaism this

851
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.720
year. Who don't have one?
Huh? No, I don't. I

852
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:53.239
mean the point of no Robin's article
is that the left is starting to complain

853
01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:58.279
to the Biden White House that they're
not showcasing her enough, which is but

854
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.359
is it the left? I mean, let me just say what you actually

855
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.960
put in the email when we talked
about was and be on the show,

856
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:11.239
you said that the Camelas's supporters.
Is that the same thing as the left?

857
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.079
Maybe not, but I mean that
would be the heart of it.

858
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:19.079
I think, I mean, you
know, the identity politics folks and her.

859
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:23.720
Yeah, but look, I think
I told the story was at some

860
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:30.159
point last year that I was so, I'm at this conference with some smart

861
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.000
liberals. I know when I'm talking
to a guy who's a pretty smart,

862
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:36.479
sort of Clinton type liberal, he's
really good on some policy issues, he's

863
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:43.079
not a whacko disagreements. But then
he was going on to me and Robert

864
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.079
Bryce, who's really great on energy
stuff. He's going on to us about

865
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.399
how great Camela Harris is and how
she'd went in a landslide and blah blah

866
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:54.920
blah. And I was like,
how can you be so sensible on policy?

867
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.920
It would be such an idiot about
her. And he walked away,

868
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.720
and Robert Bryce and I because we
were speechless. I couldn't believe us and

869
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.800
Robert Bryson are like, what mushrooms
is he eating? We were stun We've

870
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.039
known this guy for ten years and
we were So. There are people like

871
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.640
that out there. There are people
think Camel's great and the sort of left

872
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:17.159
hand. I remember one of my
colleagues saying that when she was nominated that

873
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.920
that he sat and watched the television
with tears running down his side. Oh

874
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.159
I believe yeah, well that you
know, people are yeah, okay,

875
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.439
well wow, I want to send
out. I do want to give my

876
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.680
quick I have a bunch, but
I'm just going to keep it to California.

877
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:40.319
One ysome gets revenge on the Santis
by continuing to send thousands of Californians

878
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:47.279
to Florida. Okay, Steve,
Always drink your whiskey Neat. Not Canadian?

879
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:51.039
Sorry my Canadian friends. Uh,
why do you suppose it is that

880
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:55.239
they always have to drink it with
seven up if it was if it was

881
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:58.199
decent, they wouldn't have to do
that anyway. Always drink your whisky Neat.

882
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.600
Let's go Brandon and have a wonderful
week, Skeith. Oh wait,

883
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:06.800
wait one last thing quick. I
promise don't forget to celebrate Monday. On

884
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:15.479
Monday, it is the anniversary of
the execution of Ethel and Julius oh Rosenberg,

885
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:17.880
and we have the day off because
of it. Yeah no, you

886
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:23.880
really, you do at at your
university? Your kidding? It's Juneteenth,

887
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.239
right of course you mentioned that.
Yeah, well that's the beginning of the

888
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.600
summer season. I mean I want
the day off for Hiroshim Day in August.

889
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.560
That's the whole scheme. It's the
you did the same thing last time,

890
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:39.920
and you don't get it. It's
a national holiday, now I know,

891
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:45.960
yeah it's And it's a dumb holiday
because it celebrates something stupid. Why

892
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:53.039
not celebrate the thirteenth Amendment, your
passage anyway, celebrate it. Don't get

893
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.079
out of bed because you're not allowed
to in order to celebrate it. But

894
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:02.720
tell everybody you're celebrating the execution of
of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, because that's

895
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:09.960
what I do. All right,
everybody, we will see you next week.

896
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:18.239
They asked me through the years,
why I shed these teas, I,

897
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:25.399
of course replied, when you live
in Van Nuys, smarg gets in

898
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:33.319
your ears. I thought I'd play
it wise, so I closed my eyes.

899
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:41.640
But what do you suppose when both
my eyes I close, smart gets

900
01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:49.279
in my no I went to price
an anti smart device to put behind my

901
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:56.479
car, but all too quick the
smog became so thick I could not find

902
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:09.039
my car. Ten million cars provide
carbon monarchs. If they don't drive a

903
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:15.520
horse, there'd be no smock,
of course, but there'd be something worse

904
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:30.399
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