At at. Tonight's guest was featured on episode three ninety nine and all that
show. She told us about an encounter she had with a ten foot dog
man years ago, but unfortunately, about a week ago, she had another
encounter, but this time it was with a dog woman. Of course,
I'm talking about Kim. Kim, thanks so much for coming back. Oh,
thank you for having me, Vick. It's a pleasure. Well,
you're welcome. Yes, great, haven't you. I'm not too keen on
an idea why you are coming back, the fact you've had another encounter,
but it happened and there's nothing we can do about that. But before we
talk about this latest encounter, Kim, for the people who missed episode three
ninety nine, please tell them about yourself. Oh, that's kind of a
bland subject. I'm sixty five. I'm a retired nurse. I work as
a sound therapist in a long term facility for brain trauma and dementia patients part
time. The rest of the time I drive around and don't look for dog
man. What's unfortunate it is? It sure seems like sometimes they look for
you. Well, honestly, I never thought i'd see one, but I
did. See this little girl. I saw a little female And actually I
was out driving around today and I was so tempted to go back down that
road. And believe me, I pay attention to the woods now as I
drive down the street. And I told you I wasn't going to do that,
but I'm doing it. Well. I'm glad you're back out there doing
what you love to do. Isn't it funny how you never expect to have
a dog man encounter until it happens. Yeah, but I didn't technically have
a dog man encounter. I had a dog lady encounter. Yeah, you're
right that you did that. You did, huh? Speaking of that last
Tuesday, around one pm, you're heading to your mother's house, and that's
when this encounter happened. How far were you though from home at the time.
Oh, it's only about a seven mile track between my house and hers,
and I was probably midway. That's probably three miles from home. That's
pretty close. Can you even set foot in the woods, now, Kim,
without being a nervous wreck? Probably the answer is yes, but maybe
a shade under a nervous wreck. I'm still pretty leary. I'm pretty lary
in a little bit hesitant even the woods. I live in front of a
set of dense woods, and they drive me nuts. From what I understand,
you literally live feet from the woods. Yeah. I don't have any
back windows. I live in a motor home and the back of my house
is not windows. It's a closet, so I can't see back there.
And it's a good thing I can't because they would drive me nuts. Oh,
I'm sure it would. At nighttime. I'm sure you close all the
drapes and pull down all the blinds that, don't you. Oh, yes,
definitely. Yeah. I've never been able to be in any kind of
home with the windows open and the shades up at night. I'm back that
up, not the windows open. I like the windows open, but I'm
saying, you know, the blind's up. I'm the kind of person that
likes my windows open as long as I can have them open, but the
curtains have to be down. I don't want to see what's looking in at
me. Yeah, you and a lot of other people, And I'm kind
of that way in a way. I mean, I love living out in
the country, but I never could understand why people would go to bed or
when nighttime fell them leaving their drapes open. It's almost like you're in a
fish bowl. I know you don't have neighbors in those cases where people can
just look out their window and in yours, but still, I just don't
like that idea of having your drapes open at nighttime, even out in the
country. I had a girlfriend that lived in the country and she didn't have
drapes or curtains, and it was just crazy. I mean, using her
bathroom drove me nuts because I felt like, you know, anybody could see
in. And I used to maybe sit for some people when I was a
teenager. They didn't have any curtains and they had this big black, open
sliding door and I'd have to run across it. Oh no, to get
into the kitchen. Yeah. So yeah, I like curtains. Yeah,
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Slash podcast. Two seconds before you had this latest encountery Kim, where were
you at mentally when it came to your first one? The first one I
probably pretty much healed from. I never imagined that I would ever see one
again. I didn't know that's what I was looking at when I saw the
first one until I ran into your show and talk to you. And of
course now I'm obsessed and addicted to this kind of show. But I was
pretty well over it, except for the going out at night thing in that
woods, But any other time I was fine daylight. I much prefer daylight.
Now I think I'm going to be a little bit hesitant about would side
roads from here on out. And that's understandable, especially when the consider the
pattern that you have to be noticing. Now, two encounters on the road,
so I understand why, Well, better to see them on the road
than have them come find me. Oh, of course, yeah, if
you have to have an encounter, it's most definitely better to have them on
the road than have them come pay you a visit or look you up.
How often did you think about Dogman before you have this most recent encounter,
and when you did think about them, where did your mind go? Well,
I listened to so many of the programs, and I listen to them
at night when I'm going to bed. It's it's the woods after dark.
When I think of them, I don't go out. I have to go
out and hang up my clothes, and I don't like doing that with the
dark woods. So it just depends on what I've listened to or what I've
been, you know, exposing myself to. I'm fascinated and intrigued by them,
but yeah, I have a fear of them, and the fact that
I know they're everywhere now especially now, Wow, it's probably worse now because
I know they're absolutely everywhere. You told me they were and now I know
they are. Yeah, unfortunately they are. If you've had a Dogman encounter,
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As we've already established, you're featured on episode three ninety nine, and on
that show you told us about your first encounter, the encounter you had with
that ten footer on that road that one night before we talk about this latest
encounter Kim, let's listen to that experience that you shared on that show.
Okay, I live in a metropolitan area. We've got Kansas City, Kansas,
and Kansas, Missouri here, so this place is huge and over the
years everything's grown together, but we still have a lot of rural area,
a lot of farm area, a lot of back roads, especially out between
Winduck County and Leavenworth County, which is where my actual encounter happened. Down
in that area. It's Kansas Highway five and it runs between rural Winduck County
on the west see that's the north side, and Leavenworth County on the eastern
side. It runs down along the Kansas River bottom and the town down there
is Walcott. There's a lot of odd activities down there and a lot of
stories, and there's a family that was murdered. The sun is the Andrew
family. The son murdered his sister and his parents, and this story is
supposed to be equal to In Cold Blood, but it's not as popular,
so that's kind of the way it started. And also it's down there along
the river and there's some caves. They're not very deep, but the kids
would hang out in the caves there's a lot of satanic panic going on.
It was the seventies, so between the caves and the murder, and there's
a mysterious farm, the Barton Farm. It's down below the dam of Winett
County Lake that was always locked up and there were always stories. Now,
I don't none of this is my experience. These are just the things I
was spinning around in as a teenage girl, and you know, you soak
it in, you know, how kids are. We go for the sensation.
And I always thought that being in the caves was scandalous till I found
out my mother actually had ever been there as a girl too. But I
just, you know, we thought we were getting by with stuff, and
we ran those back roads and my boyfriend was a country boy and he drove
an old farm truck and we ran those roads. It was late July and
I think nineteen seventy four. I was between sixteen and seventeen, and he
and I were spending a lot of time together because he was going off to
the army and I was going to go to nursing school, and so we
were spending a lot of time together and we would just drive around and run
the road, and you know how teenagers do. They find little dark spots
to kind of be all over, But we won't talk about that. So
that's what we would do. We were running. We were running our area.
It's a country highway. The trees don't hang over. It's well kept.
There's spaces on both sides of the roads, like maybe twelve feet off
before the actual wooded areas start, and they have ditches. But lots and
lots and lots of wood, lots and lots and lots of farms. And
it's hilly. It has soft hills and a lot of it is in the
River Valley and the big hills that go up from where the River Valley stops
and then you go up into the hills and Wana County Lake is hilly.
It's actually very beautiful green it's a beautiful area. The night we were out,
it was beautiful. It was a summer night. We had the windows
down on the truck and we were just cruising along. You ready for my
story, sure? By all means? Okay, Well, we were cruising
along. I was playing with the radio. I was sitting next to him,
so I was right in the middle of the seat to him. That's
what we kids do, and I was playing with the radio and he was
always griping at me because I didn't like his music. You'd say, well
you fix it. So IM messing with the radio and I feel him startled.
He jumps, his body jumps, and I'm half met down looking at
the radio. This I sit up. I'm looking straight up into the slant
of the windshield and there is this creature. He's already in. This creature
is already in front of the truck. He's probably taken his first step.
And I look straight up into this creature about ten foot tall. I'll describe
him in a minute, but ten foot tall, and he's just walking in
front of the truck. He's not even looking at us. And as we
approach, I think the first time I saw him, we were maybe twenty
feet from him, and as we got closer, we got to maybe ten
foot from him before he had had time to take two more steps, and
by that time he was on the other side of the road. So you're
talking three strides to cross this highway, and I hot why is a highway
twenty four feet I don't know, but anyway, he took three strides and
he was on the other side of the road and we had our windows down.
We didn't even consider it. Both the windows were down the truck.
Neither one of us even thought about this till later. So my boyfriend's slowing
down because he's in shock, and I'm looking at this thing and I'm saying,
no, no, no, no, don't stop. Let's go.
Let's go take me home right now. And as I'm watching this creature,
it goes to the other side of the road. It turns around and looks
at us and just stands there and looks at us. As I drive away,
it stood there just as straight up tall and just watched us. It
had red eyes, and he did nothing except just walk across the highway and
turn around and look at us. And he stood there and I watched him.
I turned around and looked at him through the back window of the truck,
and he didn't move. I mean, we were way way way out
of sight before I ever saw an indication, and he moved off the road.
But anyway, back to the creature, he was i'd say ten foot
tall, and I'm taking that from the size of the truck because this is
a farm truck and they didn't have little tires, and they weren't close to
the ground. This was just an old farm truck, and it was really
tall because I took me a lot of effort to get up into this truck.
Didn't have running boards, and I almost had to run and jump up
into the seat. So I'm saying this creature was ten foot tall and it
had dog's feet. I don't know if there were claws on the feet,
I don't remember that, but they were dog's feet. They were huge.
If they were human feet, they would have been like a size twelve.
And then he had a knee. He had a knee on his leg,
and they weren't skinny legs. They were pretty built legs, except down at
the bottom where it bent and came down into the foot. But the feet
were huge, and he was standing straight up, but he was just a
little bit curved. I don't know if that's the natural stance. And I'm
seeing him from the side, totally from the side. I'm seeing all this,
and his arms hung down past his knees, and he had claws,
long claws maybe an inch, and long fingers, hands, not paws.
Hands. Now I didn't see a thumb. I saw five fingers hanging.
One was a little shorter than the others. But he did not have an
imposable thumb. But he did have what it looked like a hand, and
he just walking along, just swinging his like you know. He was in
the middle of New York sight seeing. Just walked across the road, beautiful
dark gray fur, maybe some black, but I saw gray. We had
to give us moon that night, so there was quite a bit of light.
There weren't any street lights. But I could see him pretty clearly,
and I'm seeing him from the side, and he has a snout, pretty
long snout but not i'd say wolfish looking. I've heard shepherd, but I
see wolf. I pay a lot of tension to wolfs. I support a
lot of wolf saving groups and stuff. So I'm saying wolf because he looks.
I've always loved wolfs, and this brings wolf up to me. Not
dog, but a doggie looking face, long snout, and he had ears,
but at that point in time, I didn't see the ears until he
clearly and I'll describe that as after he walks across the road and he he
did not have a tail, because I saw him, I saw his back
end. He did not have a tail, very wide shoulders, very built,
chest, tall, standing up pretty straight. It's pretty amazing. After
I found out what this thing was, how human it looks, and it's
torso. I didn't see a neck, didn't have a tail Anyway, he
crosses the road and he just turns around nonchalantly and is looking at us.
Well, as he's looking at us, I can see his face better,
and I can see the snout better, and he has longish fur around his
head, on his chest and his tummy belly area. The fur doesn't look
that long, but as he walked across the road, I saw the fur
down his back, and when he turned around, I could see the fur
up over his head. But his ears tall, I'd say three inches tall.
And they were both turned in towards each other, straight up, but
they bowed in towards each other, and I thought I was looking at Satan.
I thought those were horns when I first saw this thing. And then
the red eyes didn't help because there was a rumor about the Satanists doing rituals
down there in the caves and stirring up Satan, and there was a rumor
about Satan walking around down there in the walk up bottoms. So when I
saw this guy, and I did not see if it was a guy or
not. I'm just thinking because it was such a huge creature, so I
can't tell you it was male for sure or not. But anyway, that's
why I thought what I was looking at was satan until many years later and
I started hearing about your show and stuff. Just here recently did I realize
or did I even start thinking about this guy again? And yes, it
scared me to that, it really did. Didn't talk about it. I
tried to get my boyfriend to talk about it, but he wouldn't. I
think said something to his dad about it, and his dad told him,
just don't bring that up. And you didn't see it. And of course
I never said anything to my parents because I thought I was somewhere I wasn't
supposed to be and I would have gotten punished for being where I was,
so I didn't say anything. All right, Kim, now that we listen
to your first encounter, please tell us about this most recent one. Now
give us every last detail that comes to mind. Okay, this occurred exactly
a week ago. Exactly a week ago today. I was on my way
to my mother's and she lives in the next town. It just takes me
probably fifteen minutes to get to her house. But I'd take all back roads.
I take back roads because of my eyesight. I don't drive on the
main roads, and I don't normally take the road. I'd probably drive this
road maybe one out of ten times when I go that way. There's several
ways I can go. And I just happened to want to go up that
road last Tuesday because it was seventy five degrees the sun was shining, it
was beautiful. I wanted to look at the trees, and that's a pretty
It curves and curves and curves. It has a lot of switchbacks on itself,
and it goes up and downhills at the same time, and it is
a very short distance. It's like maybe a mile and a half max.
The length of this entire road. And I decided to go that way,
so got up in there, and I actually passed the last house on the
road. And there aren't any houses on this wooded strip that I would drive
through. There's houses at the beginning and at the end of this, but
the whole area that's all twisty turney in his woods. There are no right
of ways there's no houses, just the road, and it almost is narrower
than the rest of the paved roads around. But anyway, I got up
in there and I heard footsteps and they were two bipedal, you know,
step step step step. I kept thinking, well, maybe it's a horse,
maybe it's a deer. I thought, well, no, it can't
be. It's only two steps and before, and there are no ditches,
and their road would be very difficult to ride a horse on. I think
that they would be a little bit slick and dangerous because of the curves and
cars. Now, one car came through the whole time I was in there
either, so the cars are very few and far between, I would think.
Anyway, I heard footsteps in the leaves. It was like somebody was
shushing their feet through the leaves. You know how little kids walk through the
leaves and kick. Well. I probably thought about this for about thirty seconds,
wondering what it was, and I looked in my side mirrors, my
rearview mirror. It was hard to turn around and look out the window on
my left hand side out the door because I was trying to drive these curves.
And about the time I got tired of trying to stretch and break my
neck looking to see what it was. I stopped and the creature that was
making the noises walked up to me at about the same time. She was
about twelve to fifteen feet from me, and it was a little gray female
dog man, and she was as startled as I was. I mean,
I really startled her. She started to go down on all fours, but
she changed her mind and she stood back up, and she was standing pretty
tall. I know that they have kind of a hunch to them, but
she seemed to be standing very upright for some reason. Maybe it was just
the way she was standing, because she was actually below me. The woods
are lower than the street. So she startled and I startled, and we're
both sitting there looking at each other, and she actually dipped her head and
was looking at me like through her eyelashes at first, and then she's straightened
up. And about the same time she straightened up, the sun came out
of the clouds, and she was like spotlighted with this sunlight. So I
saw everything about her, had to toe her little toes feet everything. I
saw everything, but back to her facial expressions. She was looking at me
through her eyelashes, straightened her face up, and then almost tipped her nose
up in the air, you know, like U H. She was at
a very satty attitude. Her little tail was switching the whole time. She
had a little gray, fuzzy tail, and she was gray. But anyway,
her little nose was in the air, and when she brought her nose
back down, she buried her teeth, and it didn't look like she was
smiling your grinning at me. I left. I didn't sit around any longer
and look at this young lady because I knew her daddy was somewhere. She
wasn't very tall. She was about five foot I'm about five foot one,
so she's not very tall, and she was small. And they're shaped different
than the males. She's got the triangular upper body shape from the shoulders to
the waist, but it's not as severe, and their little pelvic area is
different round her bigger. It makes sense they're female. And she had my
memory glands. I think I counted about four, and they weren't completely developed.
She wasn't completely developed. I don't think by looking at her that she
was in mating age just yet. So anyway, after I left, I
just went on to my mom's and I'll go back and describe her. She's
gray. I had golden eyes which lit up in the sunlight when the sun
hit her. Her little ears, she had little pointed ears. They were
probably two and a half inches long high, and they were going like little
satellite dishes the whole time. She was looking at me and I was looking
at her. And she has the gray tail, probably maybe three feet long,
and it was just switching the whole time, like she was some honrie
kitty cat. She was just swishing that little tail, very sassy attitude,
totally silver gray. I saw her hands. She kept her hands kind of
suspended at her sides, but that bent up. They weren't straight down.
She kind of kept them bent up. I saw her hands, and she
has the fingers with the nails. Her nails weren't as long as the previous
creature that I saw. Her little nails were maybe an inch long. And
she had the typical canine legs and feet for the dog man. They looked
like giant rabbit feet and then they turned back and become She had knees,
but her bottom half is definitely looking like a dog. She didn't you know
she doesn't have the type three legs. She's a definite just bodified dog man
versus little girl. I had the feeling the whole time that her daddy was
somewhere, and it took everything I could not to go down that road today
because I was at my mother's again today and I wouldn't go down the road.
I sure wanted to, but I'm so afraid I'll run into her.
Actually I kind of would like to run into her. Vick has asked me,
would I ever go looking for dog men? And I don't think so,
but I wouldn't mind seeing that young lady again. She was very,
very interesting and very unusual. I don't hear much about dog ladies on any
of the shows, very seldom. And she was not full grown, so
probably maybe next spring. I mean, we don't know what their growth phases
are. We don't know how they mature and how long it takes them to
grow from a pup to an adult, so we don't know when she might
be, but maybe next spring. I mean, I don't know why he
was her father or her brother or whoever was in charge of her was letting
her roam around, but he wasn't far and I'm kind of glad he wasn't
anywhere where I saw him, because I think I would have been scared.
I would have been able to drive, I probably would have been scared out
of my skin. But she was a delight and a privilege. And I
can't believe that she let me see her. I can't believe that her people
let her show herself like that. But she was just so blatantly she was
beautiful. She was absolutely beautiful, beautiful creature. I'm her little nose,
her little snout. I have two Pomeranians, and I have a male and
I have a female, and my little female has a nice, short little
snout and looks very feminine. And this little girl kind of reminds me of
that. Her little snout was triangular shape and short and very very feminine.
Everything about her screamed female. Well I'll tell you what, Kim, if
you have to have a dog man the counter, thank goodness you had one
like that this time around. I sure beats the pants off of that first
one with a ten foot or doesn't it. Yes, in contrast, it's
almost comical. I mean here, I think I'm looking at Satan, and
then I have this little animated creature in front of me today. That looks
like some little girl's plushy. And I'm not belittling that she's a dog man.
I'm just saying she was so and she was I was gonna say she's
so innocent. She wasn't innocent. She was just as cocky and sassy as
she could be prancing around. So I don't know. Maybe she's not a
human woman. Now it's my turn to I don't know. But she was
absolutely beautiful. Yeah, sounds like she must have been. It's fun how
you described her as being such a sassy little thing. I've given her a
name. You have, what name? Her name's Ember, Ember, because
of her fiery eyes amongst the ashes of her grayfur. Well, that's a
great name for it. It sounds like I like that. It's clear that
you have fears a stem from your encounters Kim. But can you think of
any fears you have now that you consider to be unreasonable? No? No,
I think well, fear is a name defense mechanism, and the people
that aren't fearful have got something wrong with them. I mean, if you
just go boldly into this unknown world of the dog man, I think that's
just a little bit careless, and I don't know just bad. There are
dog men out there that will hurt you, so you don't know which one
you're running into, so it is good to be on guard. When you
started hearing those footsteps, how far did this seem to be from you?
I think they sounded like they were twenty or thirty feet to my left in
the woods. And that's why it didn't make any sense for me to even
think about it being a horse, because it was in the woods. And
I think she was coming at me in a diagonal because of the way the
road meanders. I think she was coming in a diagonal. And I really
don't think she was expecting me more than I was expecting her. Might not
have been expecting you, but she had every opportunity to conceal herself, but
instead of doing that, she forced the issue and came right there, within
about fifteen feet from you. Yeah, she wasn't far at all. Yeah,
it was almost unnerving after i'd stop and think about it. Oh,
I'm sure it was really unnerving. If you don't mind revealing this info,
and again there's no pressure to do this, but if you don't mind revealing
it, what kind of a car. Do you drive a Dodge Journey?
Oh, okay, a Journey, Yeah, a Dodge Journey. Yeah,
so you weren't exactly riding up in the clouds, but it's not like you're
driving a compact car. Then, No, I wasn't sitting on the ground
in a car. No, I was up high, but it's not still
not very big. Yeah, I guess sitting in a Journey is not going
to be that much higher than a car. So I see what you mean.
Were your windows up at the time or down? They were down until
I saw her. Then they were up and the doors were locked. The
doors lock automatically when you start the car, the door's lock, but the
windows were down, but they were up when I saw her. As soon
as I saw her, I put the windows up. They were all down.
I'll bet you're glad those doors were locked. Yes, I was,
but I didn't. But you know what, I didn't have to stop.
I could have just kept going. Yeah, you could have, that's true.
Yeah, most people would have kept on going. Or if they did
stop and they saw her approach to fifteen feet from you, they would have
stomped on the gas and gotten out of there. So I'm oppressed the fact
that you had the gum shit to stay there and observer her. Well,
I knew what I was looking at. I at least wanted to look at
her because I had stopped. I hadn't stopped to look at her. I
had stopped to see what was walking, and I didn't see what was walking.
And after about a minute I was gone. It didn't take her long
to make our her little faces at me. I wasn't there very long.
Do you think having of this most recent experience has helped bring you to terms
with that first encounter you had with a ten footer? Yeah? I do
think so. I knew that they were creatures that deserve to exist like we
do, that they have rights, and they're just one of God's creations.
But after seeing her, I know, you know, that's sealed in my
heart that yes, they belong here too. I think they're flesh and blood.
I don't think they're anything spiritual or you know, or something. I
don't know where they came from, but I don't think they're from a lab.
I don't think their experiments. I think the government knows what they are
and where they came from. But I don't think there were anything evil.
I really don't. I listened to and you know, think about all the
different theories, and I just think they're creatures of the earth, just like
me. She's just another girl when you think about it. That ten footer
you saw so many years ago and her included. Either one of those two
ever tried to attack you. So at least we know those two weren't evil
to the core and prone to trying to rip your head off at the first
opportunity, because if that's what they were all about, they would have tried
to do that. But they didn't. Well, you know the one that
was marching around down in the bottoms when I saw him, the ten footer.
Of course, I was a girl. I was sixteen seventeen, so
I can't remember. But there weren't stories going around about cattle or any of
that down there. You know, if I had heard those kind of stories,
then I probably would think differently about him. But he wasn't going around
causing havoc. There were rumors about him, but they were saying he was
Satan marching around down there, but he wasn't doing anything or his clan.
They weren't tearing anything up. They were just there, But why do they
need to attack when they're right there? They were right down there along the
river, and there's deer everywhere, so they don't need to attack the cattle.
And there's no stories going around up and here either. I mean,
we've got farmers all over and there's nothing going on here either that at least
not that they're talking about in the news. Oh I believe it. Yeah,
I don't doubt that at all. Now might sound counterintuitive to you,
Kim, but if i'd have an encounter with a dog man, I'd much
rather have an encounter with a ten footer than a six footer. And I'll
tell you why. They're mature, that's right, the maturity. They don't
want any trouble or any problems. They're not out to cause any issues.
They just want to do what they need to do and move on. Is
that why she marched up to me and made faces at me? Yeah?
More than likely that was a function of being immature. So yeah, I
think you hit the knail on the head. But then again, you know
she was a female also, that does make her less likely to cause trouble
than a male would. A juvenile male would, so, in my opinion,
if you have to have an encounter with a juvenile, it's definitely better
to have an encounter with a dog woman than a dog man. So you
got lucky. How about that? I do consider it lucky. I think
it was a privilege. I do. That's how I look at it.
I don't care what anybody else thinks. You know, I haven't told my
mother yet, but I'm going to. I haven't got around to telling her.
Oh, you haven't told her yet. No. I go out there
like three times a week, and I haven't told her yet. No,
but I will. I just haven't told her. Hmm, how do you
think she's going to respond? She'd probably just look at me. I believe
it. Yeah, I don't doubt that. When you saw her for the
first time, Kim, how is she holding her ears? Well, when
the whole time I was looking at her, her little ears were, you
know, moving around. She was moving them. I don't know, they
weren't in any position, because they kept moving. She'd turn them towards me,
and then she'd turn them away. That's what made me think there was
another one, because she would turn them away like she was listening for something
in a different direction. And that's what really made me think that there was
another one close, because it's like she was listening for them. She would
turn towards me, and I wasn't saying or making any noises, just my
car sitting there running and it's not loud. You're probably right about that.
It probably wasn't not the dog man off there in the bushes or in the
woods, monitoring the situation that she was looking at. So as good you
realize that. Did you notice anything interesting as far as interesting features about her
ears, Well, they're not furry. They're not furry. I mean,
if they do have furrow on them, it's a short fuzz. But she
had these little fuzzy things at the tops of them, little hairs picking up
at the tips, you know, little fluffs, toughs, toughs toughs on
her ears. Did her ears resemble cropped Doberman ears or did they look like
normal ears? Well, no, because normal ears would be what I would
see on my dogs. They're just perfect little triangles. These were more elongated
up to a point, so I would say the Doberman thing, but they
were much cuter than Doberman ears. Sounds like you were taken by her.
She must have been someone else. No, she was just so. She
was just beautiful. I am taken by her. I don't know how you
could be so enthralled and so afraid of something at the same time, but
I am. I know you could be. No, that makes sense.
You're looking at a dog woman that's not supposed to be in existence, but
bam, there she is. So it does make sense. You mentioned that
she stood tall in the early stages of the encounter. Do you think she
might have been trying to make herself seem more imposing by doing that? Possibility
because the first her first reaction was trying to go down on all fours because
I saw her shrinking, And then all of a sudden she changed her mind
and just popped right up there as tall as she could be. That would
make good sense. When she did stand up tall like that, was she
kind of wobbly and unstable or was she pretty? Said? No, No,
she was very stable. She didn't wobble around it ever. I see
you told us about her whipping it around. But did you ever see her
put her tail between her legs? No, dogmen do that sometimes. I'm
not sure if they do that as some kind of a threat display or what,
But sometimes they do that. If you look at dog behavior, they
don't do that to be bold. They do that to be That's a fear
movement by a dog, to put their tail between their legs, you know,
the old saying, quit the tail between your legs and run. Oh
of course. But the reason why I didn't go in that direction is we
don't have any idea how much of what we know about dogs crosses over to
them. So w that's right, but we don't know for sure. But
I'm just saying me as a greenie wouldn't take it that way. If she
put her tail between her legs. I wouldn't have taken it as a bold
thing. It would have. I would have taken it as timidity or fear.
No, it wasn't. She she was flipping it around behind her as
you told us about that. I keep trying to picture that. I bet
she was a sassy little thing. She was. The whole demeanor was just
almost comical. I didn't, you know, I want to be respectful to
her, but it was comical. She was almost funny, you know,
her her reactions and her little tail was flipping around, and I just thought
a little miss sassy pants so where's your I gotta go? Well, maybe
you don't want to know where daddy is. No, I didn't. He
was probably closer than I would care to know he might have been. Now
you know she wasn't by herself. Yeah, I've got serious doubts that she
was. I'll bet you're right she wasn't. I wouldn't even know that she
wasn't by herself. Would I would waste your money on that if there was
any way to find out she was not by herself. There was no way
they're going to let her out to just just bop around in the woods like
that. No, that's not even their you know, their normal behavior.
Yeah, sassy little thing like that. I'll bet you're right. I sure
wish I would have been there to see her do all these things that you
told us about her doing. That would have been priceless. It is priceless.
At that point in time, I wouldn't even have known where my phone
was, and there was no way I was gonna take my eyes off of
her for fear Daddy was somewhere. My fear is not of her, it's
of her Daddy. Well, if you would have had a notion to plot
that phone I'm just glad you never tried to do that anyway, because this
way you're able to soak up the moment and you didn't miss a thing.
You soaked it all in. Yeah, but the only photograph of it's in
my head. Well, there's nothing wrong with that. That's good. That's
a good thing. I mean, you soaked in the experience. And yeah,
you're never going to forget that. And if you pulled out your phone,
who knows what the quality of the picture would have been. And people
probably wouldn't have believed you anyway. So at least you made the most of
the experience. Considering how easily she could have remained hidden from you. Do
you have any theories and why she revealed herself like she did, Well,
she was prancing through the woods from the sound of her front steps, because
you know, prancing along through the woods. I think she was just out
to find something onnor to do. And I came along looking for trouble in
a way, and here comes Kim, Yeah, looking for when here comes
Kim. That's about the way it goes in my life anyway. No,
I can relate. Did her movement seem to be smoother than the ten footers
movements. No, it's like he was Okay, something that's soft and hasn't
quite dried yet, that's still pliable. He seemed like he had been well
dried for a long time, the way he was just so in control of
his body. She wasn't ungraceful or anything. She just was more like a
kid. No, I'll explain it. No, that makes sense. I
think he did a great job of explaining it. He told us about her
height, But what about her weight? If you had to guess, how
much do you think she weighed? Oh, maybe maybe one hundred and twenty
pounds? Well? Small, Yeah, she was tiny. I mean I
can't say enough. She was not grown. She was budding, but she
was far from grown. And her other littermates might have been somewhere in the
area too. Wouldn't have that been something? Yes, it would have been
more fun than you would have been able to handle. Possibly, Oh I've
been long gone. Yeah, I'll bet you can't say. I'll blame you
now if I remember correctly. Did you say that she had four memories?
Yes, I counted four. I don't know if she had a few more
on her lower down, but two four, No, I think it was
four. Yeah, she had four. How would you describe them? Can
you tell us anything more about her memory glens? Yes, let me try
to think they were definitive, but they weren't that big, but they still
were. You could see that she had little breasts. Everything on her was
so little, and like you said, she was just blossoming. She was
just starting to fill out, right, she was just starting to Probably she
was probably just realizing she was even a girl. Maybe that's what was wrong
with her. But yeah, she was just starting to blossom. Yeah,
now here's something not all that clear on. You said she had nails,
but did it look like one inch fingernails or claws? They weren't sick.
And I don't know if she had nails on her feet or not. I
saw her feet, but they were in the leaves, so I couldn't see
that the ends of her toes, but her fingers, her hands, she
had nails, but they weren't thick at least not I mean not yet.
I'm sure they'll get that way, but they weren't thick. They weren't like
paper thin either, but they weren't that thick, heavy, long, you
know, dagger looking nail. They weren't all that long, but did looked
to be sharp? Yeah? They were sharp. Yeah, I wouldn't want
to shake hands with her. No, that makes two of us. What
color were they though? Dark? Gray or black? I see you told
us about her muzzle. What color was a tip of her nose? Though
white? You mean her nose nose? Her nose was black, but she
had some white on her muzzle. She sure must have been something to see.
Wow, it's a lot to take in. Well, Kim, it's
about time for us to get out of here. But before we do,
do you have any clothes in comments you'd like to share? Probably the same
as I said before. They just have the right to live, and I
can't see hunting them down for any reason, scientific or otherwise. But I
feel that way about the Sasquatch and Bigfoot and all those two. I think
they just need to be left alone. And watch where you dry been in
Kansas along the side roads, I'd say, so you've had two encounters with
them doing that. So yeah, I'm back roads kind of makes me,
you know, like backroads, No, I get it. Yeah, I'd
love to drive back roads too, way out in the country. But yeah,
you've had a bad go of it, so I can understand why you'd
be kind of reluctant to do that. Now. Well, Kim, I
can't thank you enough for coming back on and updating us on this most recent
experience. I really appreciate it. Well, thank you for having me.
It was delight. Oh you know you're welcome. It's been a great time.
Well, thanks again so much, and have a great night. I wis