WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of Bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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I got a screen going on here. Something just 18 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:14.599 kid with my dog. Something killed your dog? My dog. We're flying 19 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:15.840 through the here over the tree. I don't know how it did it? 20 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.640 Okay, damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 21 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:25.159 over the fence and they would dead and once you hit the ground. I 22 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:27.000 didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over the fence. 23 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.239 What are you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around out 24 00:01:49.239 --> 00:02:00.359 here? Did you see what it was? It was enough out here. 25 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:01.640 Look, I'm new to window now and I don't need anything. I don't 26 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:12.159 want to go outside. Hello, hit the boddy out here? What quin 27 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.199 announcer's thought of a bit of about set nine? I don't know, easy 28 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:31.520 announce Yeah, I'm walking right head. Oh be there, and thanks so 29 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:35.400 much for joining me for the show. As I was getting ready to put 30 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.879 out an episode for this midweek bonus, I noticed that I am twenty two 31 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:46.120 episodes away from our five hundredth episode of Sasquatch Odyssey. So I got a 32 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.759 little nostalgic and I started going through some of the earlier episodes of the show, 33 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:53.039 and I found a couple that I was really impressed with early on, 34 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:59.680 so I chose episode seventeen, Bigfoot Encounter near Ape Canyon that originally aired back 35 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.080 on April sixteenth of twenty twenty one. It was a great conversation that I 36 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.719 had with Brad from Washington State, who had had an eyewitness experience with one 37 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:13.240 of these creatures while driving through the Gifford Pinchot National Forest. The original episode 38 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.120 was a little over an hour long, so I've whittled it down to closer 39 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:20.000 to forty minutes here. I've taken out all the unnecessary stuff, and I've 40 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.000 remastered the idio because he was calling in on the cell phone at the time. 41 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:27.199 As you know, that's not the best audio for podcasting, so I've 42 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.240 cleaned it up. I've remastered the audio and whittled it down to just the 43 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:34.199 necessities. Here. Whether you listen to this original episode back in April of 44 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.240 twenty twenty one, or this may be the first time that you're hearing his 45 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.360 story, either way, I think you're really going to enjoy it. So 46 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:46.319 here you have the remastered version of episode seventeen Bigfoot encounter near Abe Canyon. 47 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.319 All this left for you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy 48 00:03:50.319 --> 00:04:14.759 the show. Welcome to the show, brt. Hey thanks, Brian, 49 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.639 appreciate it absolutely. I know you've had at least one signing and some other 50 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.920 encounters out there in Washington State. How long do we go to these encounters 51 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:27.040 happen? The big one happened just last year in October, and I guess 52 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.040 the other couple of what may have been encounters have happened over the years, 53 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.240 over the last probably five or ten years, a couple different times. I 54 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.519 think before I start, I just want to thank you for hosting the show. 55 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:41.399 Thank all the previous guests. This has been quite an experience. Hearing 56 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:46.120 other people that have had similar experiences and even more interactive experiences really just helps 57 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.160 with the whole process. Is just some really interesting data. I've lived in 58 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.879 Oregon for about sixteen or eighteen years, have gone up and down to the 59 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.360 Pacific Northwest. There have been a couple of times, like one time hiking 60 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.079 on the east side of Mount Saint Helen's with it friend. As we were 61 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.560 hiking, I just had that sense of being watched. At one point. 62 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.519 I think it presipted for a while and I said something too them, and 63 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:11.879 we went off trail for a little bit. But of the Pacific Northwest you 64 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.519 can't get very far off trail before it get impenetrable. We did tongue out 65 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.360 and our hike, and I didn't really think too much of it. I've 66 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:24.600 always been of the mind that they're probably out there busily in the Pacific Northwest, 67 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:29.560 good habitat forum it's hard to get through the forest and stuff like that, 68 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.399 so I've had an open mind about it. Another time, when I 69 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:36.439 was in Central Or again, I was going for a hike by myself, 70 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:41.720 and it was a similar thing. It was even a more cherial experience of 71 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:46.160 feeling like I was definitely being watched and followed, said some prayers and some 72 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.639 good things about the forest people, and kept on my hike. But I 73 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:54.360 definitely felt the sense that I was being watched by something intelligent. Those feelings 74 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.000 come and go and you're not sure what to make of them. Tend to 75 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.639 look at things from a lot of different points of view and somewhere glee though 76 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.879 it's easy to throw the top as just being feelings and experiences. But there 77 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:10.279 was the last ball my partner and I were driving up to see some friends 78 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.639 in Washington State. We decided to go through the Gifford Pincher Forests. If 79 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:19.319 you're not familiar with the Pacific Northwest, deep in the forest of the Cascades, 80 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.759 an area with Mountaineer to the north, Mount Hood to the south, 81 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.759 Mount Saint Helens to the west, and Mount Adams to the east. In 82 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:34.399 between for No Peak Volcanoes is a thick area of pretty much national forest. 83 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:40.319 Like I said, it's very impenetrable. The roads are natural forest roads that 84 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.639 are only open during the summertime. The clothes in the winter due to all 85 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.560 the down trees and everything. So we were driving north along a longer ridge. 86 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.600 She could see Mount Saint Helens to the west. It was a beautiful 87 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.399 ball day. It was absolutely stunny. There was no mist or fog or 88 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:02.279 anything like they usually is. In the passenger feet I was just looking out 89 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:06.360 the window and everything, and I was looking at the valley the scenery. 90 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:11.079 It opened up a little bit. We were going alongside of a mountain, 91 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.360 so I was looking down into my right down the hill and the trees opened 92 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:21.279 up. I saw standing basically in the middle of a sun but Paul humanoid, 93 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:25.839 kind of fast squatch looking being. As we were driving by, I 94 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.959 got to look at it for a few seconds. It was seared into my 95 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.399 brain. At first, I was like, I don't see what I thought 96 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.680 I saw. Did I just imagine that? Because I'm interested in bigfoot? 97 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.399 And I was like, hey, honey, I think I just saw a 98 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:44.199 bigfoot? She said, should we turn around? My immediate thought was a 99 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.000 couple of things. First of all, it was super old. It was 100 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.079 an elder, It had gray hair. I'll get into the description in a 101 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:54.800 second, but it was so old, and it was pretty well kept in 102 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.319 great physical condition. It just seemed to me like the thing isn't alone. 103 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:01.839 I just the sense that it wasn't out there by itself. It was with 104 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.959 a group. The nature of the mountain, you can't just go running down 105 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:11.439 the mountain chasing after the thing dispatching October. When all of the groundcovers so 106 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.959 high, it's just impossible to see what you're walking on to. We were 107 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.399 running late that day, so we just kept driving. Had the stunse I 108 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.959 think it's best to leave him alone because in a moment, your mind goes 109 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.480 from it being a hypothetical question that you thought about too. Oh my god, 110 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.480 they're here, they're right there, they're living, and that thing could 111 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.039 tear that out out of me. So to talk about what I though, 112 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.279 it was very human looking. I got a great look at it full front. 113 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.360 I could see the top of its head, his bathe, his shoulders, 114 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.919 his arms, his hip, all the way down to basically his knees 115 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.080 and shins. I was really focused in on the face. The head, 116 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.639 all of his hair was kind of a blondish brown with gray, like he 117 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.480 was turning gray, but you could tell underneath it with a light brown blonde. 118 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:07.200 It wasn't like the dark red or dark brown that other people have described. 119 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.919 The head was very human like in its dimensions. He had long, 120 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.759 shaggy hair that was thinning that was graying. Also, he had hair around 121 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.480 the tops of his cheek. His cheeks and eyes looked very Thimian, very 122 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.039 timper ape look to him. The pupils were really like ainy black and deep 123 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.120 that the eyebrows weren't as protruded as like a gorilla, and the head wasn't 124 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.279 as extended like a gorilla. It was more like a kind of a human 125 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.919 head, and the nose was very human like it wasn't flat, or it 126 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.799 wasn't big nostril that was angular European or Caucadians looking. He had a beard 127 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.960 that came down to its sternum, facial hair all around him, hair all 128 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.919 over the arms and leg I could see the muscles underneath him. I could 129 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:01.200 see his golder muscles, his hectoral muscles with bull which is whining. It 130 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.559 was a heat was obviously bite Up's arms and elbows. The dimensions of arms 131 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:09.200 were long. He must have been at least nine or ten feet tall, 132 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.000 really good physical shape, like his hair wasn't knotted. It seemed like it 133 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.320 was clean. Just standing right there on the sun. Did you get the 134 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.360 impression this thing was doing something or do you think he was just standing there 135 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.000 and enjoying the sunlight. I don't know. I didn't really see him move, 136 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.080 and I moved past him, and then he moved out of my views. 137 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:31.679 But it looked like I looked right into his eyes. I don't know 138 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.159 if he could see my eyes, but it looked like he was maybe just 139 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.600 standing up and enjoying the sun. Because it was but the right time of 140 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.159 day when the sun was just enough over the mountain to be shining perfectly there, 141 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:48.600 and he was probably just like you said, unbathing. How far away 142 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:54.000 were you from this thing when you guys passed by, probably twenty to thirty 143 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.399 yards. It was a really good full frontal view. Like I said, 144 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:05.080 I could see the details of his arms and his face were the lines in 145 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.559 the musculature were really dark. There was a lot of contrast between the muscles, 146 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.639 and I don't know if it was because he had grayer skin and those 147 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:18.240 folds were darker, but there was just a lot of definition in his faith 148 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.600 in his entire upper Torso I thought, Man, this guy old, he's 149 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.559 in good shape. It seemed to me like something that old would have been 150 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.679 in a little worse shape if it weren't part of some kind of a community. 151 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.639 I forgot to mention before we got there. While we started into the 152 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.919 fourth earlier on in our drive, we pulled off to the edge, So 153 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.200 I'll go into some of maybe the backstory. Now. We were driving out 154 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.559 to see friends, and the reason we went through the different pincho for us 155 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.960 was to actually look for Bigfoot. My partner had been up to see her 156 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.600 friends a few weeks before, and they'd seen the premiere of a movie called 157 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.799 The Dark Divide. It's about who studied the butterflies, and you know the 158 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.600 solo track through the different Pincho forest and there at the moment where he gets 159 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.320 involved with Bigfoot. So, Bob, have you ever been camping before? 160 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:20.320 Yes, of course I've been camping before. Bob's publisher can't wait to read 161 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.759 the first draft of his next book. We've been talking about this for years. 162 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.879 Now. Let's dial back on you being so miserable. I apologize, 163 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:33.559 but my wife is alive. I'm alile. Go look for specimens. Get 164 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.559 away from me for one. I love you, I love you more? 165 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.399 Am I here? You are here? I thought it went this way all 166 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.120 right, I need to go this way. Bear with me one second. 167 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:58.200 Please, Hey the butterfly guy, well, butterfly and MOUs this is Norris, 168 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:07.039 No, this is north So where's the trails? I've lost? Hey? 169 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.240 How long you've been on the trail? I don't know. I guess 170 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.039 a blust trick. James Will advised to be hiking so long with a radio 171 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:26.639 or rifle? What have you run into a bear? Why can't you see 172 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:35.080 as if see she thought you were a bigfoot? Don't look like a content 173 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:39.360 bigfoot? To you. I've been telling my parents about it when I call 174 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.720 them back home, and I think I bought my mom the book from the 175 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.480 scientists because they're straight scientific people, and I thought maybe if it's coming from 176 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.879 a scientist, they'll open their mind to this possibility. My girlfriend sees the 177 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.320 movie and she's, oh, we got to go drive through that area and 178 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.960 look for Bigfoot, and I'm like, okay, So that was our plan 179 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.000 that day. We started off in the morning. It was super misty, 180 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.039 you couldn't see anything. We drove nor got part way there and my car 181 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.000 light went on and we had to sit on the road for two and a 182 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.559 half hours and come back to the city and change cars. And my girl 183 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:18.679 started driving. So by the time we got there, it actually had cleared 184 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.600 up and it was a perfectly beautiful day. And as we got into the 185 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.159 forest, we stopped and she did one of the whoops that she heard in 186 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.120 the movie, which was just like one of the whoops that if you've seen 187 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.159 the Bigfoot Legend Meet Science DVD, they'd analyze a whoop, and it was 188 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.799 that same whooping sound. The first time she did it, she got a 189 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.840 response and we both looked at each other and then she did it again and 190 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.120 there was nothing, And we drove for probably at least another twenty or thirty 191 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.039 minutes or so before I had my sighting, So it was definitely not in 192 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:54.960 the same area, but it was in that same general location that we actually 193 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.600 had. That to what you described to me, seemed like you got impression 194 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:05.600 that this thing was way more human than ape. Is that an accurate statement? 195 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.279 Absolutely, way more human than ape like. It did not have the 196 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:16.000 big gorilla chest or big gorilla back. It had a very human like proportions 197 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:22.600 with wide shoulders but straight shoulders, a normal, more human or chimpanzee like. 198 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.759 The muscles seemed more than the big gorilla type, so to put it 199 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:31.080 against the Patterson Gimwin, then it looked completely different, which threw me. 200 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.879 That was part of the reason I actually believe what I saw was because I'm 201 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.399 like, I've never seen a picture or heard a description like the until I've 202 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.080 listened to your podcasts, and I've heard it a number of times, depending 203 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.799 on where you are in the country or even what continent your own. It 204 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:52.159 seems that there are different types these things. I've heard it on other shows 205 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.639 before that people are speculating there's a Type one, and a Type two and 206 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:58.519 a Type three. For the most part, I think that's crap because nobody 207 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:04.600 really knows. You're just speculating at this point based on anecdotal eyewitness accounts, 208 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.279 which I believe is some of the best evidence that we have that these things 209 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.320 actually exist. There are plenty of people who describe very similar to what you 210 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:17.720 talk about in your description of your encounter, then you have completely opposite. 211 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.600 When I talk to somebody from Louisiana, for example, they tend to be 212 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:26.440 very different. It's very interesting to me to take different accounts like that from 213 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:32.399 the Pacific Northwest, where they tend to be much larger, sometimes more human, 214 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.240 than down in the South, where they tend to be sometimes more aggressive 215 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:38.360 and smaller. Like you said, for yourself, seeing that it was almost 216 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.720 like, Okay, that wasn't a guy in a suit, because a guy 217 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.960 in a suit wouldn't look like that. I took a day off and I 218 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.600 drove the same route and instead of being a paseng river just driver, but 219 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.240 I wanted to find that same general area. I brought a little offering because 220 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.159 I felt like, whether they're physical or they have some woo woo aspect to 221 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.919 them. Either way, the experience is what I would call a new menus 222 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:07.400 experience, which is basically that I mean having a strong religious or spiritual quality 223 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.839 or indicating or suggesting the presence of the Divinity, even as a physical being. 224 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.880 To see something that is not supposed to be there has the effect on 225 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:21.039 you, and all of a sudden you go from it being a hypothesis and 226 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.079 this idea to something that in some way that our shit. And I'm an 227 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:29.200 experiencer, there's no getting rid of that. I can't say I didn't see 228 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.319 it. So that was our plan. The next weekend, I called my 229 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.279 parents and I'm just talking to him. My mother had got in the book 230 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.160 and I told him we were going fat squat hunting, and I didn't actually 231 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.319 think I was going to see one, and so she said, did you 232 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:42.920 see a theft? I was, but she asked me a direct question, 233 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.640 but I was like, yeah, I did, And I explained what had 234 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:51.119 happened. When I went back to give that gift. I got to the 235 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.920 general area and I went walking, and I had heavy hiking boots and a 236 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:59.480 walking stick. It took me like fifteen minutes or so just to get ten 237 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.799 yards the hill to find a stump to leave it on. Because you're in 238 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.880 deep mountains with a lot of down trees, big boulders, all of this 239 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:15.759 under stuff and covering that is big leaf ground cover. Because it's with October, 240 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.079 the ground cover came up to my weight. Every step I took, 241 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.559 I didn't know whether I was stepping between three logs or a route. Everything 242 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:27.119 was a potential mechanical injury. So there's no way that people are going to 243 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:33.759 be out there trouncing around in suits or doing anything like that because there's no 244 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.839 way to follow about. They must be geared toward. At least in the 245 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:42.160 Pacific Northwest, there are some areas that are just so impenetrable because of the 246 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:48.400 topology and the thickness of the blamble underneath that those kind of creatures can disappear. 247 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:53.559 Anything can disappear in about five yards away because there's something huge that they 248 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.240 can hide behind. It's always interesting to me when people say, what could 249 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.079 have been a guy in a gilly suit or somebody hoaxing you. Most of 250 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.160 these encounters that I hear, it would be highly improbable, if not impossible, 251 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.119 for somebody to do that, like you said, because of the terrain 252 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.799 that you'd have to cover. It just doesn't add up to me. It 253 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.799 doesn't make sense that these are hoaxes. So that kind of brings us there 254 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:21.640 are a tree hypothesies, right, This is what mainstream science, which includes 255 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:26.319 most of the people I work with, my family, most of the people 256 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.599 that we know, they all think that it doesn't exist, in that everybody 257 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.400 is either a hoaxer or delusional or whatever. And I'll be honest, I 258 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.440 was like, Okay, is it possible that I made it up in my 259 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.200 mind? I went through and I'm like, no, I've never seen that 260 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:45.319 image anywhere. Is it possible that I had like a four to five second 261 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.680 break from reality while I was hanging out in a car driving along the country. 262 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.279 No, I don't think though. Is it possible I thought something that 263 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:57.279 actually was absolutely not there. I've never plammed on my brakes to avoid hitting 264 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.119 a deer that wasn't there, you know. So I go through all of 265 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.119 those even on myself, and I'm like, all of those things are ridiculous, 266 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.839 And not only are they theoretically ridiculous, now they are personally ridiculous. 267 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.200 Because it happened to me. I know that none of those things happened. 268 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.880 I know it wasn't a bear. You could give me the best scientists and 269 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.640 they can try to interpret what I tell them I thought, but there's no 270 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.680 way that they could convince me that I did not see what I thought, 271 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.200 which leads to, like you said, the next thought that I had was 272 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:33.359 Okay, so now I know that they're actually here, so the per hypothesis 273 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.519 has gone. They're physical. Then I think how old is an elder? 274 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.319 Because what I saw was an older guy, So I'm thinking, okay, 275 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:44.759 how old is an elder? But pre industrial Revolution, the average age of 276 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.759 a human is like forty two, so it's forty or fifty an elder. 277 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:53.160 And how often do you have to reproduce? How many generations of these things 278 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:59.960 have been going on, if they've been evolving alongside of humanity, and how 279 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:04.559 how many different subspecies or them? Had me thinking, I'm like, would 280 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:10.599 this humanoid type thing mate with the kind of fact quots that were seen in 281 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:15.079 the Patterson thumb? Or would they consider them separate societies because they've got their 282 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.680 own thing? And how do they find me? So there are all these 283 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:26.200 questions that come up as far as living solitary existence, But still maintaining a 284 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.559 population. There's so many questions. It seems like you've started down the rabbit 285 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:36.000 hole. So be careful lyricical for quite some time. And it's interesting to 286 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:38.480 have it be a theoretical experience and then all of a sudden when it becomes 287 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.200 like a oh my god, I've experienced it. I can't deny that a 288 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:47.880 lot of the first level questions follow off the table and then you start going 289 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.160 deeper and deeper into what does that really mean? Because I've always been interested 290 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.680 in My grandparents had a bunch of arrowhead collections, and we're always interested in 291 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:02.160 the foot of Native americaan the pre Columbian history of the America. I've traveled 292 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.720 to South America and been to like Machu Pichu and a lot of different ancient 293 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:11.039 site. So I've always been interested in the history of this continent before Europeans 294 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.759 got here. And I just think that the history of this continent and the 295 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:22.160 history of this world is so much more interesting and crazy than we could possibly 296 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:27.000 imagine. How has your encounter since it was very recent, has it affected 297 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.720 your life? Has it changed your life? Has it been a profound part 298 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.680 of your life, or is it just something you're like, hey, okay, 299 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.880 I'll process that, and I've moved on something that I keep going back 300 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.880 to. It's a wild thing. Like even having been interested in the subject 301 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:48.720 for a long time, the interest in other people that have had similar and 302 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:53.920 more interactive experience is like the guests you've had just is awesome. That has 303 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:00.400 been really cool, and I've really appreciated this podcast for that reason. But 304 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.160 it is something like I said, it's a spiritual type of experience in that 305 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:10.480 it does make you change the way you think about life. It's an ontological 306 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:14.640 research, you have to think about it. For me, it makes me 307 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.480 think more about the nature of being, and it's something I like to do 308 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.359 anyway. But when it becomes more of a reality, it's, oh my 309 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:27.599 god. There is an entire human species that is so much more close to 310 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:33.559 us and then has some human and it really blurs the line between human and 311 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:40.480 animal and where we stand evolutionarily. Like right now, I just saw something 312 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.119 on the news where they're usink a monkey. It attests neurolinks so that the 313 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:48.400 monkey can play a video game without using its hands or any kind of digits 314 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.799 or anything. I think that brings up a lot of questions like, epically, 315 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.799 if there are all of these things that are part of a continuum that 316 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.839 is us, where do you draw the line on what did epic hole? 317 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.279 Are they to us? How far away are they? Having that missing link 318 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:10.759 kind of bridges that gap and make that question more challenging. It's one of 319 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:14.680 those questions that I talked to guests constantly about. If you listened to the 320 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.440 Bonus Show last night, I had an interview with Flint and he brought up 321 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:22.519 the Nephelm thing. He believes that these things are probably nephilm or it has 322 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.880 something to do with the nepheline. I just don't know. It's weird because 323 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.160 I'm in the flesh and blood camp. I think these things are flesh and 324 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.880 blood relic common in But as I say all the time I talk to people 325 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:41.079 that have other worldly experiences, it's interesting we hear these things on our property 326 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.640 here in North Carolina. We've got forty acres here in the foothills of North 327 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.279 Carolina. We have a tiny house and we can sit out during the wintertime. 328 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.880 For example, we have a hot tub brought off the deck. We 329 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.960 set out, have a glass of wine, listening to the sounds or in 330 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:59.200 the hot tub. We hear these things vocalizing, not not every day. 331 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.240 I think this winter five six times we hear these vocalizations, and they're always 332 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:08.319 really far off in the distance. There's probably one hundred and fifty acres behind 333 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.559 our property and another two hundred plus acres on either side that's just nothing but 334 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:18.440 woods. We hear these sort of Ohio howlish sounds that we would hear, 335 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.319 not exactly the same, but very similar. It's not a wolf, it's 336 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.160 not coyotes. We have coyotes on the property all the time. We hear 337 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.240 them. We know what coyotes sound like. We know what mountain lions sound 338 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.880 like. The mountain lions here they say they're not, but we believe that 339 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.160 we've probably seen signs of mountain lions on our property, so we hear these 340 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:44.680 vocalizations. I was talking to Jonathan otom from Alabama Bigfoot and Paranormal on YouTube. 341 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.160 You guys should check out his shows. I was talking to Jonathan and 342 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.839 I was telling them about the experiences we've had on the property, and he's, 343 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:55.240 yeah, if you're hearing them, you may see them, and it's 344 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.960 going to happen on their schedule, not yours. I just laughed and say, 345 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:00.839 yeah, I know you're right. If you hear something, you can 346 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:06.119 eventually see it. Literally two days after talking to Jonathan, we had the 347 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:07.680 windows open. It was a really nice night. We're up in the loft. 348 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.880 I was doing a little work for the show before bed. Twenty five 349 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.480 yards away from our house, maybe thirty yards. This huge vocalization comes out 350 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.920 of the woods super close. It scared the shit out of me, and 351 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.319 I'm like, what the hell was that? Now? Is that a coincidence? 352 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:32.640 Probably? So under you're oh man, I'm telling you. Is it 353 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:37.079 a coincidence? Probably? But then it starts me down this rabbit hole because 354 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.200 I've interviewed people and talked with people that they think these things can project mind 355 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.480 speak, they can read your mind, they can feel your thoughts, you 356 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:51.039 can welcome them in by projecting, hey, I want to see you. 357 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.960 Those kind of things. I don't believe in any of that. Personally. 358 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.519 I'm not saying those people's experiences aren't valid. I just don't believe it. 359 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.839 For me, iperienced it stay tuned for more sasquatch otasy well be right back 360 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:11.680 after these messages. Let me throw a little woo into that because I like 361 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.880 to throw stuff up against the wall and say, I'm back and forth that 362 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:21.000 those are the second and third hypotheses right, that their land creatures, they've 363 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:26.119 never been anywhere else, they evolved separately from a And then the other theory 364 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.480 is there hypothesis is that there's some kind of multi dimensional being that can go 365 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.599 in and out of this dimension, or at least cloak themselves, or they're 366 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:40.640 somehow connected, like you said, with telepathy and things like that. I've 367 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:45.160 been interested in the phenomenon for a long time, and probably six or eight 368 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.200 months before the experience I put out there. I'm not religious, so I 369 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.079 don't really pray, but I was just like, great, and I want 370 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.839 to have an experience, and I want to have one that's a good experience. 371 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.000 When I put that out there, my girlfriend saw the movie. She 372 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.640 was like, let's go looking for Bigfoot. I said, sure, all 373 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.799 of these weird things like I was going to be driving, in which case 374 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.440 I never would have seen it. But the car broke down and it took 375 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.599 just a long enough time that the myst went away. The other thing is 376 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:17.240 when we got into that area, I had heard from other people that if 377 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.680 you cross your arms over your chest, and maybe bow a little bit. 378 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:26.240 It's just fine of non aggression amongst gorillas and other being. So while we 379 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:27.319 were out there, I was doing that too, because I was just like, 380 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.000 what the hell, why not right? But what happened? And then 381 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.799 I'd get the view most of the way, a lot of the way you 382 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.799 can't even see by pete past the edge of the road, let alone open 383 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:44.720 up down into this beautiful, perfectly sunny spot. So I don't know if 384 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.880 that means anything or not, but for me and that experience, it felt 385 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.240 like it was partially do that intention. I felt compelled to give a gift. 386 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.839 The next week I went back. I left an offering. That weekend. 387 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.599 Actually I had a sweat lod for veterans. We were doing a sweat 388 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.039 lodge. We had a really intense sweat lodge. And after that, we 389 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.200 had one of the guys that was part of the ceremony if he was doing 390 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.400 a documentary. So we started talking that night and I was telling him all 391 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.680 about the experience and everything. That next morning, I was at home and 392 00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:23.039 I had what I felt was one of those sort of telepathic download experiences. 393 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.279 My heart open, I started weeping. I felt this energy come in and 394 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:33.440 it felt something was saying welcoming me to the family and everything. I would 395 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.079 say what people would describe as that sort of telepathic connection. So I don't 396 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.920 know if it was actually Bigfoot. I don't think so. It didn't feel 397 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:47.720 like it actually came from within. As a technologist, if you think about 398 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:53.039 our wireless technology, we have videos found TV shows and movies flying over our 399 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:59.200 head right now. It's all invisible. All it takes is a device that 400 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.880 has a serve new chip that will understand that particular frequency, and all of 401 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.119 a sudden, it can become something that we can see and understand. So 402 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:12.200 I think there's the idea when you're having experiences that are spiritual or mystical, 403 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:18.240 you can tap into a certain frequency and then you're either connecting with a sort 404 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:23.079 of energy or an intelligence or something. But I think that is part of 405 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:29.640 the interesting conversation. Whether they're all physical or there's that multi dimensionality to them, 406 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.279 it opens that conversation, which I think is fascinating. You clearly listen 407 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.279 to the show. I don't close the doors on anything on the show. 408 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.519 I've had experiences in my life with other things outside of Bigfoot that I can't 409 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:48.240 explain. I've seen the UFO, I've had experiences living in haunted places as 410 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.240 a child. I've said it before, it's very difficult for me to check 411 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.240 those boxes when it comes to something that seems very physical. You were right 412 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.960 in the area. I don't know if you're familiar with the Ape Canyon incident. 413 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.279 I've got Mark Marcel coming on tomorrow for an interview and we're going to 414 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.519 talk Ape Canyon stuff. When out of hiking near Mount shant Helens, it 415 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.559 was in that area we went to the lava tubes and it was in southeastern 416 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.720 part of Mount shan Helen, so that will be very fascinating. That was 417 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:21.799 a very physical attack. Those miners were attacked in that cabin by five or 418 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.200 six physical beings. I look at accounts like that, and I talk to 419 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.480 people who've had very physical encounters with these things, and most of them are 420 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.680 pleasant. It's difficult for me to make the leap of Okay, this is 421 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:38.119 something that can cloak, this is something that can move between dimensions, and 422 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.400 this is something that can mind speak. It makes it difficult for me to 423 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.200 make that leap. If you're talking about little green men or little gray men 424 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.720 flying around in ships. What I saw was not of this world. When 425 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.039 I was sixteen, I saw a ship with my mom that was not of 426 00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.720 this world, and I know that now. I don't know where it came 427 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.079 from. I don't know if it was something that came from another plan, 428 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.559 And I know some theories about UFOs have evolved over the years. A lot 429 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.359 of people think they're more interdimensional. They coexist on a different dimension, which 430 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.400 makes a little more sense to me than flying billions and billions of light years 431 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.680 away, just to what pick a cow up and cut its tongue out and 432 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.440 drop it and leave. One thing I really appreciate about all of Your Death 433 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.920 is that they really bring to run the physical aspect, because so much of 434 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.920 the sab Flatch phenomena is filled with the people that are into the multi dimensional 435 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.000 thing. They think they know that's the thing. You can have an experience, 436 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.000 and the experience is so visceral and real that you think that your conclusions 437 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.599 are as real as the experience. I think that a lot of people don't 438 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:49.440 have enough criticism to really question even their own experience. But I agree that 439 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.599 there's a huge physical sense to this that they're living here. It feels like 440 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:59.880 they're living in families, they're reproducing, they're finding made their multi generation. 441 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:06.039 What I wonder is if that can also live in conjunction with having some kind 442 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:12.880 of multidimensionality to them, or even if it's not multidimensional. It's like they've 443 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:19.000 developed differently. We're gadget oriented, we're clever apes that use tools very well, 444 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.279 and we're mechanistic and we build mechanistic tools to live our life. And 445 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.759 we have a mechanistic viewpoint, which is, you know, basically that the 446 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:32.480 body and consciousness is just a bunch of chemicals and cells that are working in 447 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:37.559 a certain way, and mechanistically they create this consciousness. They may have evolved 448 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.480 differently because they had to hide from humans and had to find a way to 449 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:49.319 communicate amongst themselves. Maybe they found other ways of communication that are more telepathic 450 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:53.119 and that are more like our wireless phones without the gadget. They've found a 451 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:59.920 way to in some ways crack back code through necessity. It's like birds speak 452 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:01.880 at a different pitch, or maybe it's just a different pitch that we don't 453 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.640 hear. Their hearing could be more like dogs, their site could be more 454 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:12.199 like cats. They could have ranges of frequency that they can understand that we 455 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:17.000 can't really interpret. So I think both cases could be true with them being 456 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.360 a physical being. That's a pretty good theory. I don't close my mind 457 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:23.920 to it. Steve Coles, he's been on just about every show there is 458 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.239 that's ever had anything to do with Bigfoot over the last twenty years. I 459 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.159 interviewed Steve last night. We got into the WU part of the conversation, 460 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.000 and he's very nuts and bolts. He's a private investigator by trade. I 461 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.000 was a police officer for sixteen years, so we're very nuts and bolts, 462 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:43.400 evidence based type people. I'd ask him about infrasound and some of the more 463 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:47.239 WU things the mind speak. His theory is this, he thinks that they're 464 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.519 physical beings. They may have some sort of infrasound abilities. There's other animals 465 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.679 that have infrasound abilities. That's done Prairie. Steve's answer to most of that 466 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.840 WU stuff about what people feel or what they hear or experience during some of 467 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.440 their encounters may be attributable to infrasound. Again, Yeah, it's his theory. 468 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.920 At the end of the day, it's all a theory because nobody has 469 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.199 one. Many people say the government knows about them. I think on some 470 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.840 level they probably do. But I'm just not drinking that kool aid that they've 471 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.559 got these things or it's a government experiment, or I don't really buy that. 472 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.199 I think they probably know about them. There's a lot of reasons that 473 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.440 they don't allow that information to get out there, because there's a lot of 474 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.280 money involved, obviously in the National Parks and timber up here the same thing. 475 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.679 I would go so far as to say they're not even theories, they're 476 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.880 just at this point hypopthesies, because we don't even have enough information to really 477 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.840 ta hypopopies. And I appreciate the fact that you guys are more nuts and 478 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:52.239 bullets about it. But the thing with the multian dimensional thing is then you 479 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.480 have to discount many of the credible fightings. And that's what's interesting, is 480 00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:01.159 that the science discount everythity. If you believe that they're just physical, then 481 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.800 in some ways it's like you gotta believe some of them and then discount some 482 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.920 of them. That's the challenge I have. But I tend to agree that 483 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.960 they have been here for a long time, that they have evolved, probably 484 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:22.320 alongside of us, and that for some reason they found that it was much 485 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.559 vapor for their survival to not interact with the human species, probably because we're 486 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.119 really good with weapons, firearms, traps and things like that. I think 487 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:37.840 that as the human population grows and we encroach more and more into their habitat, 488 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:43.320 the sightings are becoming more frequent. The ability to speak about them, 489 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.039 have other people hear them, is becoming easier. Let me ask you this, 490 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.519 why do you think it's not a proven species by now? Why do 491 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.400 you think we haven't gotten the evidence. We haven't seen the body, We 492 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.719 haven't seen the irrefutable proof that these things exist. That's the challenge with the 493 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.519 multi dimensional. That's like an easy catch all, Oh, they're multi dimensional 494 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:05.599 and they just disappear and you never see them. But an easy answer, 495 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.800 which could be true. But I think that it's likely that, first of 496 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:14.039 all, our fossil record is very incomplete. Our kind of modern idea of 497 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:20.960 anthropology in the history of our existence is largely based on anthropology that was done 498 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.599 in the late Eacheen hundreds by British people that had a kind of cultural bia. 499 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.559 If you look at the Native American culture, just about all of them 500 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.039 talk about these kind of creatures. You know they've been here. I do 501 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.360 think that there is evidence. That's how I got to give doctor Meldrum a 502 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.800 lot of credit for number one being one of the sole people to take this 503 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:45.199 really seriously in a profession where it's very difficult to do that. If you 504 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.400 look at the footprints, and you look at witness testimony, like you said 505 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.519 in many other cases, if it were an investigation of a traffic accident or 506 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.320 a murder, and I said, this was the guy who did it. 507 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.320 And you put a lineup, and you put in a bear and a human 508 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.199 and a normal fat squatch and the one I saw, and another one that's 509 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.559 similar to the one I saw, and I picked out my one, and 510 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.360 I said, this was absolutely it. I'm a member of the community. 511 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:16.559 My witness testimony, like your witness testimony, would be considered valid. I 512 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:22.760 think it's partially that there's just a cultural response within the scientific community. You're 513 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:28.679 not going to be taking seriously. If you're taking this subject seriously, it's 514 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:32.039 unfortunate. I think that leads to some kind of cognitive dissonance. I actually 515 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.559 called my mom today because I knew I was going to be on the show. 516 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.679 And I said, I want to go back to last October, and 517 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.840 what did you guys think of me telling you about my fighting Because my mom 518 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.400 was a mayor and my dad's with a doctor, straight laced and went to 519 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.880 one of the top medical schools, complete behind to and they said, we 520 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.000 believed you that you saw what you saw. My mom said, I read 521 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.000 the books and then we dropped it. We haven't really thought about it, 522 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.920 talked about it. So I think that that's one of the reactions. You 523 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:07.599 don't want to see what you don't want to see. It's a rare person 524 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.840 who wants to hear what he doesn't want to hear. If your whole scientific 525 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:20.039 bathists and our hold udeo Christian outlook is based on humans being the center of 526 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.639 the universe and being above the animals, and that God gave humans the domination 527 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:30.320 over plants and animals or whatever, then it throws a stand in all of 528 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.559 those works, because, like I said, it's these creatures that are in 529 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:38.679 between us that really blur that line between us and them. We have no 530 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.639 problem putting a monkey putting up a computer to its brain and seeing what it 531 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.280 does. But if we did that kind of testing on a human we think 532 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.400 it abhorrent. Why is that It's because of our outlook. I think that 533 00:39:52.519 --> 00:40:00.960 same outlook make by and hesitant to undo many of the foundation I think what 534 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.320 happens is they're the ones that are now behind the times. Most people are 535 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.239 like, if you won't address these things, then more and more people have 536 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:14.039 these experiences. It's damaging to the reputation of science in general. I've got 537 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.440 a lot of respect for Jeff Meldrum. He's very straightforward. He's very scientific 538 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.000 in his approach, and that pisses people off for some reason. They want 539 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:28.440 him to talk about all this speculation on what these things are, and it's 540 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.239 just not going to happen. He's a sign. He has a PhD in 541 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.599 one thing, and he's sticking to that lane, and that's what gives him 542 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.960 the credibility to say the things he's doing in the face of an entire community 543 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.719 that would love to ridicule him. That's just not what scientists are for. 544 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.119 My brother is a scientist. He's not going to speculate on bigfoot or on 545 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.159 UFOs because it's not going to get him grant money. It's just not what 546 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:58.199 scientists do. They don't speculate on things that are beyond their expertise. That's 547 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.760 how mood allward and knowledge moves forward, because people talk about what their expertise 548 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.760 is and not about the stuff that they don't know about. And it's sad 549 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.159 that just talking about this subject can have that effect on it. Clearly a 550 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.800 scientist is a little bit different. But like David Polytt is right. He's 551 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.559 got the Missing for on One books, He's got a couple of documentaries. 552 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.480 They're great, by the way, I've watched both of them. There phenomenal 553 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.679 shows, and there's always that hint of during the Missing for One one the 554 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.119 Hunted, he actually goes out to the Sierra camp. There's a section where 555 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:36.800 he's sitting out there with Ron Morehead and a couple of other guys. It's 556 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:42.079 not necessarily implied that Sasquatch is involved in some of the disappearances in the state 557 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:46.880 park, but as a viewer I certainly felt that way. I've invited David 558 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.360 on the show. He didn't want to come on the show and talk about 559 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:54.119 Bigfoot, and I said, okay, no problem. He recently did a 560 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.960 show with Cliff and Bobo on their show Bigfoot and Beyond. They didn't talk 561 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.639 Bigfoot at all. They had a very similar interview to what I had envisioned 562 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.840 and having is focusing on the missing people. It's about their stories. It's 563 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.400 about the missing for one one. It's about the weird coincidences around these disappearances. 564 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.239 Clearly, if you're coming on a show called Sasquatch Odyssey, you're going 565 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.880 to be talking about Bigfoot, or at least you would assume that, and 566 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.880 I did. I reached out to them and clarified, and I said, 567 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.639 look, I'd really love to talk about the missing four on one. I'd 568 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.880 really like to talk about the people that have lost their lives and their families 569 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.199 that want answers and that kind of thing. He appreciated the clarification because at 570 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.840 the end of that show, if you listen to it on Bigfoot and Beyond. 571 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.599 I think it was Cliff that asked him, do you think there's a 572 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.480 piece of this that could be a Sasquatch involved? He was very careful in 573 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:43.800 his answer. He was very upfront and said, look, people contact me 574 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:49.199 every day with these stories of their loved ones that have disappeared, and they 575 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:55.079 want help. If I go out and start talking about Bigfoot grabbing people in 576 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.920 the Woods. My credibility is shot. These people not going to contact me 577 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.800 anymore. He's got a valid point, right. This man was in law 578 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.960 enforcement for years. That's when I reached back out to him and I shot 579 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.599 him a message and said, look, man, I get that you can't 580 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.199 talk about that, but I've got a platform people needed to hear about the 581 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.119 missing. For one one, they need to watch your documentaries and they need 582 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.960 to help you find these answers to these disappearances. I think that will be 583 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:27.440 a very interesting conversation because I've found both movies really interesting. I haven't read 584 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.079 his book yet, but some of the interviews on YouTube as well were very 585 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.880 interesting in that they gave more of that impression of some of the really strange 586 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.079 kind of disappearances that have happened in the national cards and in the wilderness. 587 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:44.599 I just think that after my experience, there's obviously a lot of stuff going 588 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.239 on in the wilderness that we're not aware of. In the Pacific Northwest, 589 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:53.679 there are just areas that are pretty much impenetrable to humans, so you have 590 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.719 to worry about one hundred thousand people going out there looking for Bigfoot. But 591 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.400 for me, there's something that should be left alone. If they do obviously 592 00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:05.960 are out there as far as I'm concerned, They've been out there for a 593 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.239 long time. They have a habitat, and I think the best thing we 594 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.760 can do to honor them is to just leave them to that habitat as much 595 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.519 as we can. You realize that for many of your death that's not so 596 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:20.639 easily fed because it's in their backyard. Again, it really appreciate all of 597 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:22.880 other guests should have been on the show. I appreciate you coming on and 598 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:28.199 sharing your story tonight. It's a fascinating encounter. Frankly, it's probably the 599 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.199 best way possible. I think the universe heard you and it gave you a 600 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.800 great signing. I've said numerous times the best way to see them is fifty 601 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.639 miles an hour, thirty yards away in a car. Is probably the best 602 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.519 way to have an interaction with these things. Because I don't think they're the 603 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.079 friendly forest giants. I don't think they're all bloodthirsty killers, but I do 604 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.320 think they're animals. I would treat them like a bear. They're animals and 605 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.880 this is their habitat. They're a lot bigger than me. I know that 606 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:58.480 even chimpanzees are way stronger than a human being. Why run into somebody else's 607 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.320 habitat and you mesch with them. I'm just asking for trouble. They say, 608 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:13.199 you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want 609 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:43.079 to be long world up it. Try this job that chart. 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