1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:06,040 Look at news, analysis and insight from around the Big Ten Conference. This 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,880 is Big Ten Paradigm, part of the College Gridiron Coast to Coast podcast network. 3 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:15,960 And here's your host, Mark Rogers. Oh yeah, it's time for 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,800 another edition of the Big Ten Paradigm right here at the College GRIDIRN Coast to 5 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:23,800 Coast Network. Appreciate you being here. This is Mark Rogers, the Voice 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,480 of college Football. Please join us on YouTube each and every day for the 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,280 best discussion, debate and analysis on the Voice of College Football. We've got 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,840 fifteen team channels, including from the Big Ten, Ohio State, Michigan, 9 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:44,000 Nebraska, and Iowa. I don't care what anyone says. Buckeyes over Penn 10 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:50,399 State twenty to twelve was impressive. Don't care about the misthrows by both quarterbacks. 11 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:55,799 Don't care about the inability for the offensive line to move defenders out of 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,159 the way for these rushing attacks to get going. For the lack of points, 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,519 the lack of offensive execution, it was not prolific, It was not 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,200 scintillating. It was entertaining if you love hard hitting football and want to see 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,239 a bunch of future NFL players on the field. It was two really good 16 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:17,359 teams. Maybe the two best teams that have been on one field for a 17 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:23,480 college football game this season Florida State, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon 18 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,079 Washington would be a good debate, and of course Ohio State and Notre Dame 19 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:34,359 Buckeyes win the first of three huge battles that will proceed in the Big Ten 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,560 Eastern Division. Of course, Penn State Michigan in a few weeks, and 21 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:42,040 then the game at the conclusion of the season Buckeyes win at twenty to twelve. 22 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:47,319 Join us for our Buckeyes Live show each and every win state eleven am 23 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,280 Eastern Time on our Ohio State Channel. We get together with Steve hell Wagon 24 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:55,959 of buck Nuts, and Tony Gerdman a Buckeye huddle to break down Ohio State. 25 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,400 We did so after their win against James Franklin and co. Company. 26 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:05,120 You kind of scratch your head because Ohio State, for years under Ryan Day 27 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,759 and Urban won these games on the basis of just overwhelming you with their offense, 28 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:14,560 and that's really not the case anymore. It's kind of like Marvin Harrison 29 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:20,240 Junior is one guy holding up the planet right now like this, and you 30 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,520 know everybody else is thriving because of because he's the one they're holding up the 31 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,000 planet, so they got to find obviously, would help if they get Trevon 32 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Henderson in Mecca Yuka in particular back in the lineup this week, might look 33 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,680 and feel a little bit better, even if they're not quite one hundred percent 34 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:43,960 just yet. But a lot of ways to look at it. I prefer 35 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,039 to look at it that that was a very good Penn State team that they 36 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:53,159 played, and they took care of him. They you know, they eventually 37 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:57,120 pulled away in the fourth quarter and had a two touchdown lead and one by 38 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:00,639 eight points, So I take that as a win. Seeing this one from 39 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,680 the press box, there were Ohio State left some points on the board. 40 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:09,479 And I'm not just talking about the fourth and to that one or the muffing 41 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,319 up punt essentially and losing a possession, but they had receivers running open. 42 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,520 They had some open receivers that comccord didn't hit, and they could have put 43 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:22,199 some more points on the board to make this one even uglier than what it 44 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,599 was. I knew immediately afterwards, though, and I think we probably probably 45 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:29,879 said it in the post game, that this is one of those games where 46 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:32,400 in the Sec. Everybody would be lauding the defense, but when it happens 47 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:36,680 in the Big Ten, they talked about how bad the offenses are. And 48 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:43,719 so I think we've kind of seen some revisionism there regarding that sort of talk 49 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:47,159 afterwards, and we saw it again after Notre Dame. It's like, well, 50 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:50,560 how good can they be when they don't even put eleven guys on a 51 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:53,719 defense and you're trying to diminish it. But you know, both of those 52 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:55,759 teams are still ranked in the top fifteen and they're still gonna, you know, 53 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,039 beat some teams. But I think Ohio State's defense was obviously way too 54 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,919 much for Penn State's offense. And stevend said, they're scoring forty four points 55 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:08,400 a game, only they're only scoring thirty four and Big Ten. So like 56 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:13,879 they had built a lot of their stuff on Delaware and UMass and this was 57 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,360 much more representative of what they were. But obviously Ohio State took it to 58 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:21,319 another level, and there was just the secondary is playing cell well right now, 59 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,120 and if Drew Allien was more accurate, there probably would have been more 60 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,879 interceptions. But because a lot of the passes weren't near anybody, you can't 61 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,879 intercept those and leaving that game. All season long, I've been seeing Penn 62 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,240 State was going to beat Michigan, and then watching Penn State in the past 63 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,000 week and seeing them more and more and more. I would like to reach 64 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,879 my previous statements on the future matchup between the Wolverines and Niitney Allions. Michigan 65 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:55,399 Michigan State, no contest. Biggest loss for Michigan State in regards to point 66 00:04:55,439 --> 00:05:00,560 total at home in the history of the program. This was mis Michigan on 67 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,560 national television doing what they've done each and every week this season. We are 68 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:12,319 waiting, can't wait, expecting, highly anticipating a Michigan close game at some 69 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:16,319 point. The Wolverines of a bye week this week, but they certainly annihilated 70 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Sparty forty nine to nothing. JJ McCarthy with Michigan State's defense and their defensive 71 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,040 game plan taking away the run. Blake corm only had fifteen carries for fifty 72 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,639 nine yards. It was on JJ McCarthy to carry the offense, and this 73 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,800 version, the twenty twenty three version of JJ McCarthy, is certainly capable of 74 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,279 doing so. The players, in particular, I feel bad for they have 75 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,519 to live through this NCAA investigation and the news that is being leaked by the 76 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:51,800 day. Connor Stallions has become an infamous name in college football. There is 77 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:57,000 so much to go into that we will not do that right here top to 78 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:01,439 bottom. The information comes out daily, so to keep up with it, 79 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:04,319 you got to keep up with it daily. We've done a number of live 80 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,480 streams and videos over at the Voice of College Football, so check them out. 81 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,160 But here is a number of comments made this week on the Voice of 82 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,920 College Football on our many shows concerning this investigation. Is it unfair? Is 83 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:25,519 Michigan being targeted? Did they truly cheat? What did it mean? Did 84 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,360 they need to cheat? They're killing these teams anyway and a half of the 85 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:32,279 last three years. All of that comes into play. So much to talk 86 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:38,959 about, and this becomes more intriguing by the day. Will the NCAA be 87 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,759 able to do something about this and we'll come to a conclusion and a penalty 88 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,600 by the end of this season. I doubt it. And again here we 89 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,839 go with a round robin of comments on the Voice of College Football concerning the 90 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:02,240 NCAA's investigation into advanced scouting stealing signs at Michigan. This Connor Stallion's person bought 91 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,279 tickets at all these places and sent people there, and they say they've got 92 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:13,720 surveillance tape of these people taking video. And then magically, this low level 93 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:19,879 recruiting staffer is standing next to the two coordinators. Channel ten Adam King from 94 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,439 here in Columbus posted a video shot from the field of CJ. Stroud going 95 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,519 up to the line of scrimmage and doing that and then turning to the sideline 96 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,439 to get the signal, and in the background of the shot, Connor Stallions 97 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:38,240 and the defensive coordinator as soon as the signal is made and they reckon this 98 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:43,360 is so sophisticated. They even know which guy has a legitimate signal in that 99 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,439 moment because there's four people over there, you know, doing all the signals 100 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:51,680 and everything. They know which guy has the legitimate signal. Connor Stallion says 101 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:57,319 something, the defensive coordinator says something, and then twenty people on the sideline 102 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,079 go like this, which you know they're yelling pass. It's going to be 103 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,480 a pass. It's a pass. So that means don't worry about, you 104 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,480 know, selling out for the run. Play the pass, and you know, 105 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 stealing signs is not the problem. The problem is the spying. The 106 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,399 spying is the problem. And if the spying comes back that the coaches were 107 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:22,560 aware of it, you know they're they're they're using yo gotten games to win 108 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,600 football games, and that that to me strikes at the heart of the competition. 109 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,600 You know, they have short circuited the competition, uh with this cheating 110 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:39,879 that that they have allegedly allegedly taken part of. And they're going to say, 111 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:41,600 well, we had no idea he was going to this links to break 112 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:48,679 these codes. And I think that's a bit naive to believe that because at 113 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:50,720 some point somebody asked, well, how are you getting this intelligence? You 114 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,519 know, somebody has to ask that question, don't they. And better yet, 115 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:03,039 if he is submitting receipts as a low level, not well paid recruiting 116 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:09,080 analysts and in the University of Michigan or Jim Harbaugh or a coach or somebody 117 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:15,399 is reimbursing him for the thousands and thousands of dollars of travel and tickets and 118 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:22,360 everything else that he embarked on here, that's lack of institutional control and that 119 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,399 that could be a several year postseason bing. I would think they may have 120 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:30,639 to give back wins be outlawed this year, maybe next year, and you 121 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,120 know, probably probably show cause for a bunch of people. And you know, 122 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,799 this is a can of worms. And it seems to me like they 123 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:46,279 are holding Michigan like in Lion King is holding this guy went up. He 124 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,480 is your corporate We are all not culpable. You know. Well that doesn't 125 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,720 fly because the head coaches presumed to know everything under his auspices. So that's 126 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:03,919 my two cents on that. And if if they take action against Michigan this 127 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,600 year, then all Ohio State has to do is win the next four games. 128 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:11,679 They're in the Big Ten championship game. Figure that's a walkover. They're 129 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,600 in the playoff. Regardless of what happens against Michigan. They could lose that 130 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,279 game forty four to nothing and people will say, oh, it's tainted, 131 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,840 you know whatever, it's a loss, but they're still going to Indianapolis and 132 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,200 probably going to be who ever comes out of the West A twelve and one. 133 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,679 You're in the playoff. The mental gymnastics to think that Jim Harpa has 134 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,639 would have no idea like that, none of this is happening, and this 135 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,960 is happening around him. When you know Conner Steyn's is also talking to Jim 136 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,399 Harpaugh on the sidelines. And if the players know and the coaches, no, 137 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,120 how does the head coach not know? So all of this is it 138 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,159 looks very, very, very bad. And I know Michigan fans are like, 139 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,200 well, you can't prove this in a court of law. You know 140 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:56,840 how you can prove this in the court of lot. It's like, this 141 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:00,440 isn't a qut of a lot. This is the NCAAA, this the Big 142 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:07,000 Ten. This is now you're also you're not just you're not just scouting Big 143 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:13,039 BEN games. We had confirmation that he bought tickets for a Clemson game. 144 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,120 He bought tickets to the a lot of the previous two Big SEC championship games. 145 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,519 Like they're they're they've gone beyond the Midwest. So now you're gonna bring 146 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,679 in the SEC. You're going to bring in up the a SEC. In 147 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:26,559 terms of hey, we want answers. We don't want to have to know 148 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,360 what should we have to deal with this, Like we need a response immediately. 149 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,120 And I know, I think Adam Rittenberger has reported that the Big Ten 150 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,399 doesn't have to wait for the NCAAA. They they could have a speedy response 151 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:45,519 to this. I'm not expecting anything because in terms of like right now, 152 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,240 because it is so unprecedented. But as I keep saying, what Michigan is 153 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,399 alleged to have done and what counter Stallions sure seems to have been doing is 154 00:11:52,559 --> 00:12:01,600 wholly unprecedented. So why wouldn't there be an unprecedented speed of punishment that goes 155 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,600 right along with it? 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Get in the game with ticketsmarter dot com or the ticket Smarter 165 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:58,240 mobile app Think Smarter Ticket Smarter. Now we go to the Big Ten Western 166 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:05,559 Division in the most controversial of the season and an extremely important call in this 167 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:11,080 championship race. Minnesota had not won in Iowa City since nineteen ninety nine. 168 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,879 They were on the verge of doing so, but still had to punt from 169 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:20,279 their own end with just a twelve to ten lead ninety seconds left in the 170 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:22,879 game. Cooper de Gene, one of the great athletes in college football standing 171 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:28,519 back for Iowa, fields the ball on a bounce and scampers fifty four yards 172 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:33,480 for the supposed game winning touchdown. And yes, Mark, there were ninety 173 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,399 seconds left in the game. But if you know the Minnesota offense that had 174 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,120 not scored a touchdown the entire day, and the Iowa defense, which is 175 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:46,639 elite, you know that that probably would have sealed it. I'm not going 176 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,720 to say that Minnesota could not have scored a touchdown. We don't know who 177 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,799 would have won the game. What we do know is that the officials took 178 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,919 away a touchdown off the board when reviewing, as they do each scoring play, 179 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,200 reviewing the touchdown to see if Cooper de Gene stepped out of bounce, 180 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:11,759 which he did not. The fair catch signal was ruled in valid. Therefore, 181 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:18,240 the ball was ruled dead and Iowa three plays later through an interception that 182 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,600 ended the game. We talk Hawkeyes with Corey Bradda from The Hawkeye of the 183 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,320 Storm each and every Tuesday at the Voice of College Football, and we certainly 184 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,679 discussed this one as we have throughout the entire weekend. So again, this 185 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,480 is another topic like the Michigan allegations, that you have to join us at 186 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,559 the Voice of College Football. We have discussed this on live streams, viewer 187 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:45,000 comments and questions coming in calls. Got to join us there. You can 188 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,120 give me a call at any time throughout the week to talk college football. 189 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,879 But we really dissected this one. Minnesota Iowa Hawkeys get ripped off by the 190 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,360 officials. The call took away maybe the one of the best players, one 191 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:01,600 of the best plays, single plays in Iowa history. I don't think that's 192 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:07,519 exaggerating. Was the call correct by the word of the law man? Maybe? 193 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,799 I don't know, Like I just think it's such an arbitrary thing. 194 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:18,720 And you know, I have so many questions about how players and coaches are 195 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:24,559 educated on rules and whose responsibility does that fall on. And you know the 196 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,039 term wave, What is a wave? What is not a wave? The 197 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,399 officials use the term circular motion in describing what Cooper to Gene was doing with 198 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,960 his left hand. Then you know the conversation about what's reviewable, what's not 199 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,759 reviewable. It's not actually a penalty. How does the official right behind Cooper 200 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:46,440 to Gene not blow it dead in the moment. You ought to be able 201 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,080 to see it in real time and make a call when you're right behind it, 202 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,399 as opposed to a I use the illustration yesterday, have a fumble or 203 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,600 a catch that's hard to see, you're gonna have to go to review. 204 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,000 I get that, But the fact that you can call it indisputable evidence. 205 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:02,240 And then the other thing. I don't know if you saw this mark, 206 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,519 but I think it was the Des Moines Register, USA today they did a 207 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,559 interview with I believe it was. Maybe it wasn't Tim O'Day, but it 208 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:18,120 might have been Bill Corolo or Corolla, the head Big ten official or the 209 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,840 leader of Big Ten officiating. I think, and I'll read you the quote 210 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:25,399 you may have seen. I retweeted this, but It was a quote from 211 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,159 an article that Chad Leistiko the Dewin Register published. This was a quote from 212 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Bill Bill Corrolo. If you look at a ground video of it, you 213 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,840 might say, this doesn't look like much of a wave, But if you 214 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:41,639 look at the high camera view over the top, he's actually waving. I 215 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:47,639 mean, come on, man, what are we doing here? What are 216 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:51,039 we doing here? We look at the high camera review over the top. 217 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:56,720 Why would we look at the high camera view over the top to identify whether 218 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,679 a player is signaling for a fair catch. That's a stupid quote. And 219 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,799 maybe that was just maybe you shouldn't have just maybe you shouldn't have said that. 220 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,240 Maybe that was it looked. I think I think it made a certain 221 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:12,240 situation look worse. But ultimately, as I said to you before we start 222 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:17,920 recording here, you got to move on. Wisconsin trailed Illinois on the road 223 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,039 twenty one to seven before coming back behind a backup quarterback Braydon Locke, who 224 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:27,119 threw for two hundred forty yards and two touchdowns. Braylan Allen with Chess mclucy, 225 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,279 of course out for the season, had the lug at twenty nine times 226 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:34,160 for one hundred and forty five yards. But with a Wisconsin or with the 227 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:40,480 Iowa defeat, Wisconsin has taken over control of the Western Division with a win 228 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:45,279 against Illinois twenty five to twenty one. Pulled it out late and the Badgers 229 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,480 only have one loss, and so they pulled that game out. On the 230 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:53,839 surface, this was an ugly, meaningless game between two marginal, to be 231 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,440 kind, pretty bad football teams. In Lincoln, Nebraska defeated Northwestern seven to 232 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:07,880 nine. Oh but these two teams coming into the game both still controlled their 233 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:15,559 own destiny in this awful division. Now the Huskers still control their own destiny. 234 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,079 With that slugfest win over Northwestern seventeen to nine. Malachai Coleman, the 235 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:26,359 prized freshman recruit for Nebraska, hauled in a forty four yard touchdown pass from 236 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:32,200 Heinrich Harberg to break it open in the fourth quarter. Nebraska came back from 237 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,039 two early mistakes by Harberg two picks in the first five minutes of the game 238 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:42,400 to hold off the Wildcats again seventeen to nine. As Emma Johnson started at 239 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,160 running back for the Huskers and carried twelve times for seventy three yards. Brendan 240 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,799 Sullivan a buck seventy six for Northwestern as Northwestern gained more yardage, but the 241 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,720 Huskers win the game seventeen to nine. And yes, with just two losses 242 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:03,319 and with a date against was Johnson and also Iowa still ahead on the schedule 243 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,200 in Nebraska controls its own destiny in the Big Ten Western Division. Let's stay 244 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,000 with the Huskers. They've got another key game in the Big Ten Western Division 245 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:15,640 up coming at home against Purdue. Two and a half point favorite are the 246 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:22,279 Huskers against the Boilers. And we get together every Tuesday night on our Nebraska 247 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,839 channel to break down the Huskers Huskers Live. Please join us there with Greg 248 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:32,200 Peterson Husker Online and also our postgame host Justin Adams. This week we had 249 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:40,640 a conversation with a Brandon Locker of Big Time Boiler Breakdown podcast and we broke 250 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,759 it down of course perdue in Nebraska. What surprises me is a lack of 251 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,680 big play ability from the offense. You know, they brought in Graham Harrell, 252 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:55,680 which is the first million dollar office coordinator Purdue's ever had came from West 253 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:59,039 Virginia. Of course, he has the air raid background playing for Mike Leach 254 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,319 and all that, and getting Hudson card and transfer portal from Texas. He 255 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,680 has a pretty accurate arm, a big arm, and like you mentioned, 256 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,720 lost Payne, Durham lost Charlie jones A and O'Connell, three guys who got 257 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,200 drafted NFL. So you knew you were losing a lot. But you know, 258 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,880 after game one, Dion Burks looked like he was gonna be the big 259 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:25,000 play guy. And while he leads a team with five receiving touchdowns and everybody 260 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:30,200 else has either one or zero Prdue hasn't really been able to have those explosive 261 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,559 plays game in and game out. I think usually about their longest place twenty 262 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:38,480 five to thirty yards in the air. Of course, Devin moccabee and Tyron 263 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:44,519 Tracy are leading the ground attack, except Tracy got hurt against the I won 264 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:47,440 the first half, had to miss the rest of that game, then set 265 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,799 out against Ohio State. I believe he will be back this weekend against Nebraska, 266 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,839 but maccaby's kind of picked up the slack when Tracy's been out. He 267 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,359 had over one hundred yards against Ohio State. That was the only positive Purdue 268 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,079 had that game, becoming the firste hundred yard rusher against Ohio State since last 269 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:10,240 season, but the lack of offensive production has been a little concerning offensive line, 270 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,480 I knew it was gonna be a struggle, and then factor in some 271 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:18,920 injuries that they've had along the way, the depths just not really there that 272 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,240 that's my biggest concern against Thebraska. Nebraska's defensive line is really really good, 273 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,799 and then on the flip side, on the defense side of the ball, 274 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,039 it's been kind of up and down. I know a lot of PUE fans 275 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:36,279 are frustrated thinking that Ryan Walters could adjust his system more to fit the personnel 276 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,599 the defense. But I'm kind of in the UH in in in a different 277 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,440 camp to where let the coach in the defensive staff who was so good at 278 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,920 Illinois last year, run what they want to run, and in the long 279 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,599 term they'll get the guys to UH to fit that system. So while you 280 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,480 might go through some UH some growing page and some speed bumps this year, 281 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,599 I think in the long run it'll be better for the program. But UH 282 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,599 been happy with the past rush for Purdue. Nick Gordon and Kidron Jenkins have 283 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:10,319 been two bright spots, and then Dylan Thieneman freshman safety UH has been a 284 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:14,319 real bright spot for Purdue. He's their leading tackler, uh leading, I 285 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,359 believe he leads in interceptions, if not the leader, he's the second on 286 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,359 the team with three. And he's probably making a good case for a freshman 287 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,279 All American for himself right now. So, uh see, it's been kind 288 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:27,440 of up and down season, but yet it's it's been. Uh it's been 289 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,839 uh still kind of enjoyable, even even though it's to two and five, 290 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,000 and but uh this was this weekend's game is kind of their super Bowl right 291 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:38,920 now. I know, quite paying a lot of attention to the two backs. 292 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:47,039 You know, mockbe tore up Nebraska last year, and you know from 293 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:51,720 all accounts that Graham Harrell's you know, obviously it's an air raid offense, 294 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:56,039 but he's got some tweaks to it there that reallydue has been running the ball 295 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:02,559 pretty well out of that air raid offense. Yeah, they have been. 296 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:03,839 And Maccabee, like I said, the last two games, he's had pretty 297 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,400 strong performances. When Tyrone Tracy went went out with a I believe it was 298 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,720 a growin injury because he's been he's been a surprise for the Purdue offense. 299 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,319 Tyrone Tracy because Jeff brom used them more as a wide receiver instead of a 300 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,559 running back last year, and he just didn't get in the mix a lot. 301 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:22,400 And then he asked the staff in the spring if he could move to 302 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,359 running back, So that was kind of his own idea. They let him 303 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,680 roll with it, and he's been He's been a nice They've been a nice 304 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,920 one two punch, along with Dylan Downing, who's been been a decent third 305 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,359 string back for them as well. So that has been a kind of a 306 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,400 bright spot the last few weeks. Is established in the run game, getting 307 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,200 that going out of the quote unquote air raid offense, which is a total 308 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:45,640 different type of air raid than I think a lot of Purdue fans envisioned when 309 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,960 when they got Graham Harrell. But each OC runs their their air raids a 310 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,559 little different. So but yeah, hopefully hopefully maccaby and Tracy can stay healthy 311 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,359 in these last five games because Purdue's gonna really need them to got run the 312 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,839 ball to win games. Big. The big thing that I noticed was efficiency. 313 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,599 You know, it's six almost six yards per carry with him, I 314 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:14,759 believe with Hackeby it's almost five. So I'm sorry maccabee, So you know, 315 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,119 what, what do you think has been the the you know, the 316 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,559 biggest catalyst to that. And then and then also you know with the uh 317 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,640 with Dion Burks. I believe Dean Burks just looking at the numbers, I'm 318 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,880 just going by that, has he been the top He's been the top receiver 319 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,079 from what I what I saw at fifteen and a half yards per reception. 320 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,519 So what should we game plan for with with both of those? You know, 321 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,279 with that, with that the way they're running the run game out of 322 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:42,519 the air raid and then kind of, uh, how does that open up 323 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,839 Dean Burks. One thing maccaby struggled with early on in the season and kind 324 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:49,519 of got him binged was ball security. He was putting the ball on the 325 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,960 ground a lot the first few weeks. He seemed to have cleaned that up 326 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,240 the last three or four games, which is good. But like you said, 327 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,279 he and he and Tracy between the two are getting about five yards of 328 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,640 six yards of a carry. And then their different running styles too. Tracy 329 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,599 runs with a little more power, even though he can be speedy as well. 330 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,319 And Macaby's kind of I think his nickname's crazy Legs because you never really 331 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,000 know what direction he's going to go until he's already going in that direction. 332 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,799 So two little different run styles there. And what was your other question? 333 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,359 I'm sorry, yeah, just how does that you know with Dion Burks? 334 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,799 Oh? Yes, because it seems like he's you know, fifteen and a 335 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:30,000 half per per reception is no, you know, no small numbers. So 336 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,759 how does that kind of open up? And what watch the Nebraska defense kind 337 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,559 of prepare for to to kind of contain Dion Burks. Well, it definitely 338 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,680 wouldn't shock me if they even find different ways to give him the ball this 339 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:44,200 week after having a bye week, because I know that was like playing a 340 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,640 lot of fans had is There's been some games he's hardly been targeted, or 341 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,599 some games he's kind of disappeared and only had two or three receptions, and 342 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,880 you just can't have that as as him being your number one wide receiver. 343 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,519 I love for them to utilize them a little more and use them on some 344 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,880 ender rounds or even throw him in the backfield once in a while, kind 345 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,039 of like produced to with Rondell Moore and then the Arizona Cardinals still do with 346 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,079 Rondelo. Not comparing the guys at all, even though they both bore number 347 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,160 four for Purdue. But but yeah, that that's the thing. If Nebraska 348 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,960 can find a way to shut Burks down or make it tough for him to 349 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,240 get open, tough for him to get open on slants, make guys like 350 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:25,359 Tyron TJ. Sheffield and Ramanya scene Beacha and and Garrett Miller a tight end 351 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,279 that Purdue and I know NFL scouts are real high on. And he's finally, 352 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,480 I think starting to get that knee healthy. Missed the first two games 353 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,880 this year after being out all last year with the torn a cl I think 354 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,279 he's finally starting round in the form and they need him now more than ever 355 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:47,000 because freshman Max Claire is out for the season. He hurt his leg against 356 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,920 Illinois, and he was kind of a young bright spot that not too many 357 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,279 prow fans expected to be a be a target this year. Biggest game by 358 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:57,759 far the Big Ten on Saturday night in camp Arrandles Stadium, where Ohio State 359 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,839 invades Madison. The Buckeyes have defeated the Badgers nine consecutive times, but it's 360 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,519 typically a dog fight. Typically. These two teams got together last season in 361 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:12,160 Columbus and it was a Buckeye blowout fifty two twenty one. The game was 362 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,960 not that close. It was over at the end of the first quarter. 363 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:22,559 Wisconsin again no Tan or Mordecai for the rest of the season, or he 364 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,480 could possibly come back for postseason play. But it's up to Braydon Locke to 365 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,000 bring the Badgers home in this one. Three in one in the Big Ten, 366 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:34,079 they control their own destiny. As we mentioned earlier, now five and 367 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,799 two following the comeback win against Illinois, Braylen Allen will pose, of course, 368 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:44,839 a threat to the Buckeye run defense that has been stout really held in 369 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,279 check k Tron Allen and Nick Singleton of Penn State last week. Ohio State 370 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,079 is fashioning a top ten defense in college football, and it is legit considering 371 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,839 the schedule. Now they run into another capable offense, not prolific offense or 372 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:07,279 explosive offense. Transitioning into that Phil Longo mold, we've got Ohio State, 373 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,920 We've got Wisconsin. Let's go back to our Buckeyes guys, Tony Gerdaman, 374 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,400 Steve Helwagan and myself to break down Ohio State in Wisconsin. Yeah, so, 375 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,119 Braiden Lock, you know, he played like the second half against Iowa 376 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,880 after Tanne Mordecai went out, and then he's got his first start at Illinois, 377 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,960 first start for the Badgers, first start in college football, and guys, 378 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,160 I really came away quite impressed. I think he's somebody a little shorter 379 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,200 than Tanner Mordecai, maybe not as quick as Mordecai was really kind of a 380 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,759 dual threat. But Braiden Locke is very cerebral. He kind of prides himself 381 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,799 on that, just how much time he puts in studying. He's got a 382 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,359 good arm, he's a great decision maker, and I think the key that 383 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,559 you really need to know this season is he's got a lot of familiarity with 384 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,279 Phil Longo's air raid offense. High school, he ran a very similar offense 385 00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:02,799 and as a freshman before transferring to Wisconsin, obviously he was a true freshman. 386 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,079 Then he was under Mike Leech, you know, one of the top 387 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:10,799 air raid guys that's really associated with kind of much of his time there in 388 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,559 that program obviously, So I think he made it pretty seamless coming in. 389 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,720 You know, there are some learning curves, maybe sitting a little bit long 390 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,640 in a pocket here and there, not feeling something, But overall, I 391 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,079 think he's impressed. I think the team has really rallied around him. And 392 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,960 again one start and one win so far on the road for the young Braid 393 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,519 and Locke Tanner Mordecai, as I understand that he broke his hand against Iowa. 394 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,799 Is it his throwing hand? And is there any talk at all that 395 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,039 he would play be able to come back and play this week or are they 396 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,839 hoping within two or three weeks that he would be able to play again. 397 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:52,160 Just what is the update or as much as you guys been led to believe, 398 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,160 where where things stand with him? Yeah, So, unfortunately for Tanner, 399 00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,680 it is his throwing hand. You know, I'm not a doctor, 400 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:02,759 no for sure, but if it wasn't, I think he would have been 401 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,880 given it a shot. It actually happened in that Iowa game and then he 402 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,279 was trying to play another play and he was kind of motioning to the sidelines. 403 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,400 You know, I can't throw, I can't grip the ball, and 404 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,359 that evidently, you know, was I believe a full break in his right 405 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,200 right hand in this throwing hand. I would be, you know, shell 406 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,759 shocked. If you see him anytime soon like this week, but we were 407 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,680 kind of told and you know, this kind of lines up from what I've 408 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,799 heard a little bit, just you know, kind of trying to ask around. 409 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,559 I think there's potentially some optimism for a return eventually, but you know, 410 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,720 for the next week, two weeks, maybe three weeks, like going 411 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,000 into mid to late November. I think it's the Braiden Lock Show. And 412 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:48,279 what I found really interesting over the weekend. It's not a shocking thing kind 413 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,799 of being around these kids and knowing how they operate. But you know, 414 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,400 Braiden and tan are very close. They've been really close off the field. 415 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,440 They've really supported each other, and I think it's a great thing. You 416 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,839 know, it's a tough spot for Mordecap his likely last season of college football, 417 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,559 you know, kind of a fringe draft pick type guy. And I 418 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:10,000 think it's really cool that he's been so supportive of Brandon and Locke has not 419 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:15,240 shied away from giving Tanner really some credit and some praise. The last week 420 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,960 and a half. Chas Mlucy I saw he didn't play against Illinois, but 421 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,519 he has three hundred yards this year. Is he out? Is? What's 422 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:30,319 his status? I guess because he and Allen together make one of the very 423 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,680 good running back teams around. I would say, yeah, absolutely, Steve, 424 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,480 I think that honestly is one of the best in the country because they're 425 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,160 just so different in some of their skill sets. Unfortunately, Mlusy will be 426 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,680 done for the year, and this was supposed to be his last year of 427 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,279 college football. He will kind of have the opportunity if he'd like it, 428 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:55,200 to come back Pryor I think what would be a sixth year originally a transfer 429 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,799 from Clemson. But yeah, he got pretty severely hurt lowered body injury at 430 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,079 Purdue. I believe that was and yeah, that was a tough blow not 431 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,000 only on the field, but like Mordecai, he was a pretty big leader 432 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,519 for the Wisconsin team. Yeah, and I understand that even though Jackson Aker 433 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,759 only had two carries against Illinois, that people were impressed with him once Malucy 434 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:22,119 went down that he could be a bit of a change up back. Yeah. 435 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,039 I think that that Acre's got the size and the skill set. I 436 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:30,880 think what's just a little bit interesting is you know, he and Brayleen Allen 437 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,720 are both kind of powerbacks, whereas Mlusy, you know, you can catch 438 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,119 it out of the backfield maybe not speed necessarily, but we'll use fast, 439 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,039 but certainly kind of more of a dynamic option, whereas Acre and Alan are 440 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,359 similar. But I do think he can absolutely play at this level. I 441 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:52,160 just think there's a lot of kind of trust and confidence in Braylean Allen right 442 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,079 now, not only kind of from what he's done already in his career, 443 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,599 but you know, coach Luke Quickle has not been shy about saying Allen's really 444 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,559 shown Fickle and the staff something in the last couple of weeks, even though 445 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:09,079 it's this air raid offense. And I think Allen has fifty three fifty four 446 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,880 carries like combined the last two weeks. He had about thirty at Illinois, 447 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,079 just under one hundred and fifty yards. So he's somebody that has played a 448 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:22,240 lot of college football but doesn't seem to be slowing down by any means for 449 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,200 this Badges team. You know, Steve and I have both dealt with the 450 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:30,319 Fickle over the years. I'm just wondering your perspective, your thoughts on him 451 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:35,319 my first year there, and what have you seen from him and his I 452 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:42,599 guess ability to create a resilience for in this program that maybe was missing yeah, 453 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,400 So it's really interesting. It's Fickle's first year here, and it's actually 454 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,119 my first on the beat. You know, I went to school here, 455 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,319 so very familiar with the program, and I think you have to kind of 456 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,440 be here and be covering to really understand. You know, some things got 457 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,279 a little bit be stale, not with Fickle, but before that, just 458 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:07,319 in terms of whether it was some schemes or maybe not as much juice and 459 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,840 recruiting or you know, even some of the fans support. I mean, 460 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,480 I'm around it now every day and it's certainly kind of been raised by Fickle 461 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:19,559 and this recruiting staff and really everybody. What I think he does so well, 462 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,239 and obviously Paul Chris, Coach Leonard and the previous staff did a great 463 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,239 job for many years. I just think, you know, things slow down 464 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,800 at times, and that happened in college football. But what Luke Pickle and 465 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,159 this staff do I think again, it's off the field, the recruiting has 466 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,119 been some of the best Wisconsin has ever seen. And on the field, 467 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:43,320 it just seems like his energy levels with the team at practice going into games, 468 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,599 I think those are very high. I think he's assembled the terrific staff 469 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,920 and I think you're seeing it's not linear, but just about every week kind 470 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,800 of progression in some areas that maybe needed improvement, like the defense got off 471 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,280 to a bit of a slow start early on, I think, specifically against 472 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,480 Washington State, Georgia Southern, some of my first games on the beat. 473 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,880 But recently, you know, I just saw the statistic yesterday. Wisconsin, 474 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,559 I believe, for the last month or so, has been top ten, 475 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,079 along with Ohio State, along with Michigan. Like you mentioned in the least 476 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,639 amount of points per drive a lot defensively, and I think that kind of 477 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,760 matches the eye test. I think Fickle obviously plenty of a defensive background that 478 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,199 you've seen at Cincinnati, you know, Coach Tressel, I think that unit's 479 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,719 been really good, and I think it's something Steve and I agree when we 480 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,800 kind of did some of our preview stuff this week that that's probably more of 481 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,639 the strength of this Wisconsin team right now, a little bit ahead of the 482 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:47,679 offense. Nick, we heard different kind of style, different style between Luke 483 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,400 and Paul Christ just a just a smidge Yeah, yeah, definitely, And 484 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,320 again I covered coach Christ and that staff when I was a student here, 485 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,519 so I think when you see in some terrific, terrific years, but it's 486 00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,920 just so much is changing in this game, whether it's college football, college 487 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,159 basketball, the NCAA as a whole, and I think that Fickle's somebody that's 488 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,440 very you know, with the times. I think while he still has that 489 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,840 energy from my experience, he's still really good at connecting with people, something 490 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,360 I really like to see in a head coach. You know, I was 491 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,920 previously at Iowa State with Matt Campbell. That's something he's obviously very good at. 492 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,639 So I think that's something that's really important in this day and age. 493 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:32,960 And you know, whether they win or not this week, you know, 494 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,440 I think that the trajectory for this Wisconsin program is back on the path. 495 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,960 It should be kind of going that way. And I think that's what took 496 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,039 some of us off guard when Paul christ was let go, is that even 497 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:53,039 though we consider Wisconsin a roughly top fifteen player nationally, that although the standards 498 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,679 are high and they expect to compete for Big Ten championships, that they're rather 499 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,159 conservative. That it's just maybe the that the on the field product translates to 500 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:05,639 the rest of the program and as long as Paul christ is winning seventy percent 501 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,079 of his games, and even though they were coming off of down seven and 502 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,519 six. Of course, that's not going to get a coach fired. But 503 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,679 yes, I was impressed with the just analysis of the changing landscape and we 504 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,199 need to upgrade and we need to get better. And this league is changing 505 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,480 for newcomers at that point too, and maybe they knew more about others headed 506 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,639 in this direction from the West coast, and hey, to stay with the 507 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,440 times and compete, we're going to have to upgrade and you know, galvanize 508 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,480 this program. I did want to transfer that to the talk during the off 509 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:47,280 season about the updated offense, change in offensive philosophy with Phil Longo. How 510 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,159 has that taken hold and has there been an analysis of Okay, well we 511 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,519 want to do this eventually, but we've got this personnel and we're going to 512 00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,519 have to merge the two. I see an increase in passing attempts, it 513 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,639 seems even when they don't have to. But you know, how does that 514 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,119 look on the field. Yeah, it looks and feels like it's air Wisconsin 515 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,079 now watching to play. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think that 516 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:16,440 was a really good question. I think last week against Illinois was the first 517 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,400 time I've really seen kind of his recognition that, look, we want to 518 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,920 get to this full air raid. This is kind of our future here under 519 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:30,960 you know, Fickle and Longo. But we've still got a top I mean, 520 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,519 I'm being conservative with this one. Top eight to ten, twelve top 521 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,599 running back in the entire country. Many people think he's higher. I think 522 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:43,639 his ceiling is pretty high. But you know, I think with a new 523 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,239 quarterback in Brandon Lock and then Braylen Allen in the backfield, I think they 524 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,840 leaned on that run game a little bit more mark, which I think was 525 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,159 really beneficial and obviously helped lead them to a win. I think long term 526 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:59,280 it's certainly going to be more of what you maybe saw in that Iowa game, 527 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,679 you know, kind of in the forties for past attempts and maybe like 528 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,800 teens or twenties for the run game. But I was impressed. I mean 529 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,039 I wrote about it a little bit Saturday, and I think he's gotten a 530 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:15,599 lot of credit. Phil Longo. You know, he made some play calls 531 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:17,239 in that fourth quarter. I don't know how much you guys got to watch, 532 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,599 but like most ocs wouldn't maybe call a you know, just kind of 533 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:27,639 a half back power on third and ten when you need to score and just 534 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,519 kind of trust Braylan Allen or you know, kind of a trick play to 535 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,760 win the game, just to pass to an offensive lineman, you know, 536 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,039 kind of lined up outside as a tight end for the game winning catch. 537 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:42,360 So I think that he's starting to be more comfortable. I think there's a 538 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,960 recognition of the personnel, and I think it's something that's a work in progress 539 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:50,719 long term when you change so much overnight. But I think it's headed in 540 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:58,719 the right direction. Steve Tony, anything else, just your basic thought, 541 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,239 I suppose you know, to put you on the spot. It's o High 542 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:06,360 State's favored by two touchdowns in this game, and you know, Ohio State 543 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,239 can take this one or two directions. They can either go up there and 544 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,519 throw their helmets on the field and be in a four quarter game. Or 545 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,480 they can go up there and play like they're capable of like they did against 546 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,280 Purdue and did for a good part of the Penn State game, and take 547 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960 control of the game and dominate the game. I think it can go one 548 00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:30,519 of two ways. I've seen undefeated Ohio State teams lose there in two thousand 549 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,639 and three, twenty ten. They were number one in the country in twenty 550 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,679 ten and lost there than the last two times they've been there twenty twelve, 551 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,880 twenty sixteen, the game went to overtime. So it's always seemingly a tough 552 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,960 game and one that Ohio State has to struggle to win a lot of times. 553 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,760 Do you see a double digit win for a high state like the spread 554 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:58,039 the oddsmakers are saying or what you're feeling. Haven't watched Locke for a game 555 00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,159 and a half? Is he good enough to keep the in this game for 556 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,320 the duration? Yeah? But you know what's really interesting about this match of 557 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,920 Steve and again, I think you know, you'd kind of agree from some 558 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,440 of what we've written. I think the defense is the strength for each team, 559 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,719 quite honestly, And I know that's a little bit crazy to say for 560 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,760 an Iowa State or for an Ohio State team that I believe. You know, 561 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,760 Marvin Harrison junior arguably the best player in the country, not just wide 562 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,039 out. You know, obviously they've got four and five star talent, But 563 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,840 I think McCord's been good. I don't think he's c J. Stroud justin 564 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,440 field's you know guys before him, that defense looks incredible. I think the 565 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,800 Badger's defense has been really good, so I understand why the spread is kind 566 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,960 of around there. But just because you know, some of the wackiness, 567 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,320 like you've mentioned, Steve, that happens here in Madison, specifically night games, 568 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,079 you know, I do think that Ohio State is is the better team. 569 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,119 For sure. I think they're beatable. I think the Braden lock showed 570 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,800 me a little something. So while I'm not going as far as saying, 571 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:05,360 you know, I think the Badgers get this upset, I do think this 572 00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,480 is really going to be within seven to ten points at least for the first 573 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,119 three to three and a half quarters. I could see kind of Ohio State 574 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,960 maybe getting that one extra stop and then you know, the best player on 575 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,559 the field, Marvin Harrison, just maybe dominates. But I need to look 576 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,280 a little bit further. You know, how can Braylen Allen run against this 577 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,519 team? Does Braden Locke kind of get the ball out quickly to his weapons 578 00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,320 house the old line. I see this being a good game, though maybe 579 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,840 not overtime, but I think you're in for another close and Steve, here 580 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:44,840 in Madison I'm ready. Hey, this is one of the top two or 581 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,280 three environments in the Big Ten. I think Penn State is one. Wisconsin 582 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,360 is too. I can't really great Ohio State because I go there so often. 583 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,800 I'm just kind of thinking more in terms of the other places that we 584 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,000 go. I think Ohio State would be in the top three or four particular 585 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,320 for big game. Ohio State's good, and Nebraska would also be up there. 586 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,760 Those are my top four, but Penn State is clearly number one, 587 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,760 I think for you know, the big game, for you know, to 588 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,800 go on the road and try and go in there. And I think Wisconsin 589 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,880 is right there, you know, neck and neck with them, and you 590 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,360 know, then Michigan and Iowa maybe in the next tier, and then everybody 591 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,360 else is well off that pace. I think you got six halves and the 592 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,639 rest are all just kind of in. Minnesota is now a factor in the 593 00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,719 Big Ten Western Division. Consider this, the Gophers have head to head winds 594 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,440 against Nebraska and Iowa. Therefore, despite the two and two Big Ten record, 595 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,400 they control their own destiny. A lot of teams control their own destiny 596 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,880 in the Big Ten Western Division. Because Minnesota has the one team in its 597 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,239 sights Wisconsin that are ahead of them and the standings, and of course the 598 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,360 Gophers and the Badgers get together on the final day of the season as they 599 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,280 typically do, but before Minnesota can get there, they can't take anyone for 600 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,519 granted. This Michigan State team, of course, looked woeful against Michigan, 601 00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,840 but everyone has, but against everyone else in the Big Ten they've been competitive. 602 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,239 Despite an zero to four record. The Gophers are a seven point favorite 603 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,760 at home against Michigan State. Elsewhere, we've got Maryland in Northwestern. Both 604 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,960 of these teams are out of any kind of championship contention. Maryland, though, 605 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,519 wants to wrap up a strong season and get to nine wins. That 606 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:32,320 would be another step in the right direction, another step up the rungs of 607 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,679 the Big Ten ladder as we all prepare for twenty twenty four in the expansion 608 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,239 of the league, to Leah Tungabailoa fine season from him sixteen touchdowns and five 609 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,239 picks, Roman Hembi thousand aired rusher last year, needs to pick up the 610 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,840 pace to get there this season four hundred and fourteen yards and four touchdowns, 611 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,199 Maryland a two touchdown favorite at Northwestern, and finally, the biggest favorite of 612 00:44:55,199 --> 00:45:00,119 the weekend needs to bounce back. Penn State in that familiar position of having 613 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:05,559 to bounce back from a loss against Ohio State. It's happened eleven of the 614 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:12,519 last twelve years and seven straight. Penn State still eyeing that game against Michigan 615 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,039 in Happy Valley on November eleventh, but they have some work to do before 616 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:22,400 that thirty two point favorite against the Hoosiers, and Tom Allen is Tom Allen 617 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,960 coaching his final days in Bloomington. It's Indiana, It's Penn State. Drew 618 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:32,000 Aller comes in with a thirteen touchdown no interception record for Penn State, but 619 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:37,760 he was awfully shaky against the Buckeyes in that Ohio State pass Russian secondary that 620 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,679 was all over those Penn State wide receivers that could not gain separation. We're 621 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,719 looking at you, key Andre Lambert Smith thirty seven catches, five hundred yards, 622 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,320 three touchdowns, Nick Singleton six t d's out of the backfield. This 623 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,119 is a get right game for Penn State taking on Indiana. Appreciate you being 624 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,519 here at Big ten Paradigm. Please join all the podcasts for your college football 625 00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:05,039 needs here on College Gridiron Coast to coast and of course, join us at 626 00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:08,039 the Voice of college football each and every day on YouTube. Best discussion, 627 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:13,199 debate and analysis. Make it. I'm back next week for another edition of 628 00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:15,320 Big Ten Paradigm