1 00:00:02,319 --> 00:00:08,919 Well off of a weekend at his seen Rafael Espinoza look absolutely fantastic in his 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,960 featherweight title defense in the top rank main event. It has seen some controversy 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:20,559 in the Saturday European Middleweight title fight as Tyler Denny wins by technical decision over 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,280 previously unbeaten Felix Cash. We're ready to recap the fights. We got fight 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,800 news. We got Bam Rodriguez right here on the Fight Freaks United recap podcast 6 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:32,600 coming up in just a few minutes. You'll hear from him as he gets 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,759 ready to take on Juan Francisco Estrada. My colleague, my guy, Dan 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,479 Rayfield. Thrilled to talk with Bam because this is a big time showdown here 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,719 between a smaller guys two of the bigger names that are out there right now. 10 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:49,079 You'll hear from Bam in his own words, Hello, Dan Rayfield. 11 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:53,560 Off the weekend. Fight Freak Joint is his substack big Fight Weekend dot Com. 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,840 We got a lot to go over and I'm looking forward to the conversation 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,119 there with Bam Howard. Things off the weekend, things are good. I'm 14 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:03,960 looking forward to yes, the action from the weekend. Not a lot, 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,560 but we got plenty of other things to discuss. Yeah, there's a lot 16 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:08,439 to talk about obviously on the show. Thank you for finding us. Make 17 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,280 sure that you're following, subscribing, Apple, Sprinker, Spotify. Twice every 18 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,120 weekend, we preview going into the weekend, we recap coming off the weekend, 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,920 rate us and review us. That will help us. Several of you 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,840 have been doing that as of lake. Keep doing that. It helps with 21 00:01:21,879 --> 00:01:23,920 more people being able to find us. If you give us a five star 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,879 review and look, if you enjoy the content, help us out. Like 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,760 Devin Haney being exclusively on the pod here for this weekend, Hopefully you've heard 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:34,920 that interview. We pieced it out and put it out special up on the 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,599 podcast feed to hear his reaction in his own words, not just social media, 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,400 not just some statement from some mouthpiece on an email. You heard from 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,920 Devin Haney himself, if you were with us on the podcast feed, and 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 again, Bam Rodriguez coming up in a few minutes, I should just share 29 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:53,200 with you, all right, I'm trying not to be add I'm already a 30 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:56,840 little bit of add, as are you. We're just we're getting older. 31 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:02,120 But I've got a sixteen year old birthday party on a party bus in progress 32 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:06,519 Sunday night tonight for my sixteen year old to be twins. They turned sixteen 33 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,080 next weekend, but they couldn't work it out with all their friends for the 34 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,360 for next weekend. So Rayfield, we're doing this tonight. And the amount 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,080 of preparation, the amount of pink and estrogen and decorative and cupcakes and things 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,319 that are going on, and this party bus is is like something out of 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,400 the Hip hop Hall of Fame that these chicks are gonna be on later tonight. 38 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,199 So that's tying up my Sunday evening, my Sunday night ritual of being 39 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:35,520 with you. Thank you for accommodating me that it's Sunday afternoon. And your 40 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:38,840 phrase for the Sunday so far is better you than me. You've said it 41 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,719 to me, like eight times better you than me with all the estrogen that 42 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:44,960 I'm gonna be around later tonight because I've been hearing about this freaking party bus 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,199 for like three days. And by the way, we need to get some 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:53,000 more podcast sponsors so TJ can pay for the party bus. Never mind the 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,919 fact that Rayfield deserves a raise, TJ doesn't want to be in PC for 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,639 paying off. But you know my girls Riley and Abbey shout out to them 47 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:02,800 or turn sixteen. So that's what we're doing tonight. And is true love, 48 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,199 true love Raypael, not because there's boys, but true love because Dad 49 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,560 is going to drive in an suv behind the party bus with the gifts, 50 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:14,919 with the cupcakes and in the event, what's the over under because we love 51 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,280 to handicap that somebody gets carsick, because if they get carsick on the party 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,680 bus, guess who they're riding with if they're not feeling good. So that 53 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,879 is my role tonight. I'll interject and I'll say better you than me. 54 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,960 Yes, thank you. There's the ninth time you've said that. So anyway, 55 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,520 thank you for finding us. Thank you to Big Dan for accommodating me. 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,759 We're getting this done Sunday afternoon. All right, as we speaketh and 57 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,280 do the recap podcast, Let's talk first about the top rank show Las Vegas 58 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:44,680 on Friday night, and full credit to Rafael Espinoza. Now we wonder about 59 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,800 what's the level of this opponent and Sergio Chirino. Charino was a Mexican fighter 60 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,240 that we knew little about. Hey give him credit. He was taking some 61 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,560 shots and trying to fire back. What kind of caliber competition. Can't say 62 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:00,240 for sure. I defer to you for what you saw. But Espinoza did 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,680 his part to put the rematch in motion with Robes Ramirez and blew him out, 64 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,439 and it was just a matter of how quickly is he going to knock 65 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,000 this guy out? From about the second round on Dan, That's what I 66 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,199 saw. Tell me what you saw. I'll say two things can be true 67 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,639 at the same time. One you can say to yourself, well, Sergio 68 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,279 trino not much of an opponent, seemed to have an idea of what he 69 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,079 wanted to do but couldn't execute. Doesn't have a record to speak of at 70 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:29,680 all, even though you know he's got a glossy record. He's twenty two 71 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,000 to two now with the loss, so it's a nice looking record. But 72 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,639 he hadn't fought anybody. But he still he tried. I give him credit 73 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:39,639 for that. He came to fight. He just was completely overmatch and overwhelmed. 74 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,839 But you look at the level of where he's been, You're like, 75 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:45,959 Okay, not so sure what his credentials are first of all, so you 76 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,839 can maybe downgrade the victory if you want for Espinoza. But on the other 77 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:51,240 hand, the other thing they can be true at the same time. His 78 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:56,439 Espinoza's looks pretty good to me. I mean again, before he fought Robacy 79 00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:00,800 in December and won this title, the WBO featherweight title, he was an 80 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,560 unknown guy with no real good credentials, a massive underdog, a hand put, 81 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:08,759 a hand pick guy that was brought in. But the first thing that 82 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,800 jumps out at you is one He's enormous. He's a huge, huge featherweight 83 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,639 in terms of his height, the tallest heavyweight, or rather the tallest featherweight 84 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,639 champion in history. I have not personally verified that in terms of going and 85 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,000 looking. That's what they were saying on the ESPN broadcast. I'll defer to 86 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,360 the ESPN stats crew, which does a good job with that sort of stuff. 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,160 I worked with them for a very long time. But anyway, tallest, 88 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,720 not tallest whatever. Six foot one featherweight is a mountain of a human 89 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,759 being for that weight class, one hundred and twenty six pounce and he's got 90 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,519 that long reach, and he's got it was very clear how much bigger he 91 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,920 was than his opponent in the rank, So it can also be true that 92 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,480 he's really pretty good even if we didn't know him prior to the Robucy fight, 93 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:55,600 because guys do emerge. And I will also paraphrase what my good pal 94 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,120 Mark Kriegel said, who works on the ESPN broadcast, is that it seems 95 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,720 to me that a guy like Raphael Espinoza falls into that exact category that we've 96 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:08,399 heard the old cliche in boxing, when you become a champion, you win 97 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:12,600 a title, you you gain that much more in terms of your abilities and 98 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,600 your respect and all that because of your confidence that you that you're suddenly twenty 99 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,720 five percent better, however you want to describe it, and because of that, 100 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,199 and he seems like a guy that's got that. He's got a little 101 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:25,800 swagger to him now, and he looked absolutely fantastic. I mean, whatever 102 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,279 you think about the opponent, but he went in there and he did the 103 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,000 job. I mean, he scored three knockdowns, was never in any kind 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,800 of danger, you know, busted up the guys. I don't know if 105 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,360 it was his nose or his mouth, but he was, you know, 106 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,199 on a bloody face, like I said, scored the three knockdowns and got 107 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,040 him out of there in over, you know, overwhelmingly dominating fashion. I 108 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,639 mean four rounds over and out. You know, what's the old saying, 109 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:50,199 you don't get paid for overtime in boxing, And that was the very impressive 110 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:55,519 performance now and truth set up for the big business down the road. We'll 111 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,800 get to that. You and I thought this would be a distance fight, 112 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,920 not knowing a whole lot about Chrino. We handicapped it that way, but 113 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:05,439 it was just obvious. And again I'm with you, we cannot over emphasize 114 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:10,399 here that we don't know a lot about this opponent. How good of an 115 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:15,000 opponent was it, But he blew him away. And that's twenty one knockouts 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,920 in twenty five wins, for whatever that's worth for us. He looked in 117 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,879 good condition, showed his the positive attributes that he has, like I mentioned 118 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,600 about his long reach, and he showed the power that his record indicates that 119 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:31,120 he does have. So certain there are times where guys just burst on the 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,920 scene. We didn't know about them, and they finally get the opportunity, 121 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,040 they take advantage of that and they become something. And we've s this is 122 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,399 not the first time this has happened, And I didn't mean to derail you. 123 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:43,319 The important thing is now what it sets into motion. Pick it up 124 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,040 on that would come in later this week, right, so later this year 125 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:48,600 you mean out of this year, yes, yeah. So of course, 126 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:53,920 when he had the fight with Ramirez back in December, one of the fights 127 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,079 of the year of twenty twenty three, probably the upset of the year in 128 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:01,920 twenty twenty three, a very dramatic majority decision victory. He had knocked him 129 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,000 down in round twelve, but he himself had been knocked down earlier in the 130 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,120 fight. And so when that fight was over and we talked about this on 131 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,399 the preview, the original plan from Top Rank was to do an immediate rematch. 132 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,759 The Espinoza camp was like, listen, we'll do the rematch, but 133 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:18,879 we'd like to have the defense first, and that was what so Top Rank 134 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,720 agreed to that. That's what this Chirino fight was. They gave him the 135 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,240 opportunity to defend the title. Now, coming up this coming Saturday on the 136 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:31,759 Undercart in the co feature, when Tiafimo Lopez defends the junior welterwey title Againsteve 137 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Claggett. The co feature that night is going to be Robosi Ramirez in a 138 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,600 fight against Brandon Mine Benitez. And so now that Espinoza has won his fight 139 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,519 and dominating fashion, assuming that Robosi Ramirez gets through the fight against Benitez and 140 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,480 everything is good. Top Rank has said to me that they are making this 141 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,120 rematch for the fall, probably October, maybe November, but they'll be the 142 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,240 rematch now. In the aftermath of the fight on Friday night, when Espinosa 143 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:01,000 was asked about that, and by the way, Ramirez was ringside for that 144 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:05,799 fight, as was Bruce Shueshu Carrington, another up and coming featherweight undefeated fighter 145 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,360 that Top Rank promotes who has designs on getting a title shot in the in 146 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,039 the not too distant future. But they were talking up those two guys and 147 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,639 and Ramirez was I'm not Ramirez, but Espinosa was. He was, you 148 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,759 know, basically made the point, Letty. He saw both guys, He 149 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,240 paid respects to both guys. He knows that Ramirez wants to rematch. He 150 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,639 wants all three of those fights to happen. This is what they fight for, 151 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,399 et cetera. He didn't really commit to the to the rematch with Ramirez 152 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,039 in terms of his interview, but that's what's Top that's what Top Rank is 153 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,879 going to do. Unless something dramatically changes, We're gonna probably see that rematch 154 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:41,440 in the fall, as long as Ramirez does his job in the next in 155 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,960 the next fight that he has coming up on this coming Saturday. So that 156 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,360 that's a pretty good plan. Though. So if you've got Espinoza rematching with 157 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,320 Ramirez in a very outstanding and dramatic fight, and they got shoes shoe Carrington 158 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,679 waiting in the wings potentially uh for the winner, even if it's not the 159 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,840 next fight, but you know at some point in say the first half of 160 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:01,320 next year, that's that's a pretty good featherweight plan. And then the long 161 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,240 range goal obviously for any of those fighters is down the road at some point 162 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,960 to be waiting with the title to fight in a way in the in the 163 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,200 in the further away future. So oh yeah that name, Oh yeah yeah. 164 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,360 But even just just what we've seen so far, you take Ramirez, 165 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,440 you take Espinoza, you take Carrington. Uh, like Louis subord of Lopez, 166 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,360 he's got a defense coming up with his IBF featherweight. He's also with 167 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,919 Top Rank. He got Ruben Villa, who's an excellent contender, who's fought 168 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:31,279 for the title before and has a non title win against Lopez. All you 169 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,840 gotta know is that in the featherweight division and many other other than in a 170 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:39,440 way when he gets there, there isn't one big star in the division. 171 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:43,720 But there's a lot of really good, interesting guys that can make good fights, 172 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,919 uh, fight for belts, and and you can mix and match him 173 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,720 in top rank. Uh you know, has pretty much most of the top 174 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,840 guys involved with their company. So if you're a fan of featherweight boxing, 175 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:56,440 I mean, we got some nice fights that are probably gonna happen, and 176 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,200 I feel like they're gonna make They're gonna make all those matches up. So 177 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,480 if a guy loses so bit, they'll match him up with the other guy 178 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,720 and they'll just round robin them for the next, you know, a few 179 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,639 years. And it seems like a pretty good group of fighters that that we 180 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,799 can see some good fights with and and you know what, I feel like 181 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,000 every guy in that group has a chance to win or lose depending on the 182 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,320 matchup and on the given night, you know what I mean. So and 183 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,039 then you know, because they've done business with with with Frank Warren and that 184 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,679 sort of thing. Maybe they get a nick Ball involved and there's a Saudi 185 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:28,080 situation, you know, and to bring in some other exciting matchups at the 186 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,600 way class, uh, you know, so it looks good. And then 187 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,320 then the other featherweight we got Ray Vargas with the WBC belt. He's probably 188 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,279 gonna fight Brandon figure out who's his mandatory and also the interim champion. That's 189 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,919 one of the PBC fights coming up. There's a lot of good fights and 190 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,360 get getting made in the featherweight division. I feel like a lot of these 191 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,120 fights are gonna happen over the next bit. Another waight division is cooking all 192 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,200 right again. Going back to Friday Night and the rest of the card, 193 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:58,600 Andre's Cortes gets a decision over Abraham Supernova, your guy. I have to 194 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,440 confess, with all that I was doing on Friday night, I did not 195 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,759 see most of this fight. I picked it up interestingly late in the ninth 196 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,360 round and saw the ninth round, the tenth round, and then the decision. 197 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,440 I do know this that even picking it up in the ninth and the 198 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,919 tenth round that Joe Testaitur and Tim Bradley on the call were talking about they 199 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,279 believe Nova has won the fight. Believe at the end of the tenth round 200 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:26,480 he deserves the decision. They announce in the ring, Mark Chinook announces unanimous 201 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,080 decision. And you're shaking your head right now at me because I can see 202 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,840 on video the winner is Andre's Cortes, the unbeaten Las Vegas fighter. And 203 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,080 I even have on my rundown. You don't normally do this. It says 204 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:45,159 shit decision. Next to the courtest, I just noticed that the Cortes Nova 205 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:50,159 fight okay on a scale of one to ten. Is this an eight, 206 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,840 a nine, or a ten on how bad this decision was, Because I 207 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,960 have to confess, I can't really speak to how bad it was. It 208 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,600 was closed, but all three judges gave it to Cortes. I mean, 209 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,960 I can't tell you. It's like, I'm not gonna lose my mind over 210 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,840 it, and it's an to give it a number. I'm just gonna say 211 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,080 I'm pissed off about the decision because the wrong guy won the fight. In 212 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,519 my opinion, Abraham Supernova won the fight. Cortes did well in the first 213 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,159 probably three or four rounds, and I felt like after that it was basically 214 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,919 all Nova. Uh Cortes was lethargic. He came first of all, I 215 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,279 came in overweight. They had to make a side deal to go forward with 216 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,679 the bout because there was a I mean, they would have done that anyway, 217 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,159 but there was a a regional belt that was on the line that Cortes 218 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:35,200 was no longer eligible to win. But he was nearly a pound over. 219 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,679 Uh, it turned out he was up point eight pounds over. You know, 220 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:41,480 either I don't know if he tried or couldn't whatever, The bottom line 221 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,679 was he that was his final weight was one thirty point eight, so he 222 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:48,960 is over the minim over the maximum. Nova made the weight and uh, 223 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,320 you know, on Sunday, I saw a top rank post on their social 224 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,480 media that was that it was court. They were wishing Cortes a happy birthday 225 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,000 on Sunday. And my point on my social media was he got an early 226 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:05,159 gift for his birthday on Friday night of this victory ninety seven ninety three on 227 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,720 two score cards. Didn't love that, didn't love those score cards. I'm 228 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,840 gonna get to a part of that in just a second. Ninety six to 229 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,200 ninety four. I mean, I guess if you had bent over backwards in 230 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,320 every conceivable way. Maybe you could find six rounds to give Cortes, but 231 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,120 certainly the second half of the fight, Nova kicked his ass. I mean, 232 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:22,720 that's just the bottom line. The other guy was fading and Nova was 233 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:24,159 picking up the punch. As he's a very experienced fighter. He's fought for 234 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:28,120 a world title, coming off of a very close loss to Oshaki Foster in 235 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:33,120 a challenge for the WBC one thirty title that was in February, and his 236 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:37,639 other loss was the one time he got absolutely pummeled, and that was when 237 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:41,320 he lost to Robes Ramirez in the eliminator for a title shot at one hundred 238 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,159 and twenty six pounds. But the thing about it was you mentioned that you 239 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,080 came in and watched the ninth and the tenth rounds. The ninth round and 240 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,440 this is the one that really sticks in my crow. Abraham Nova almost knocked 241 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,200 Quartz out in that round. He absolutely cracked him with the right hand. 242 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,320 That changed his life for a moment there. He beat the crap out of 243 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,200 him in the night round. And even if you think that that that Cortes 244 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,799 deserve to win the fight, whatever, and you and you scored it the 245 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:11,559 way you scored. I can't imagine you would have scored round nine in favor 246 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,679 of Cortes. Y. That was the biggest round of the fight for Abram 247 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:16,440 Nova in a fight in which he won most of the rounds. In my 248 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:22,679 opinion, except for Dave Moretti, who's been judging now for about four thousand 249 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:31,480 years, I think he judged Kine versus able. Uh. He gave Cortes 250 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,720 the ninth round. That's the tele round. I call it the tele round. 251 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,879 That's where you just it's like you're in the bank for a guy. 252 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:41,440 It's almost like it's just you know, I'm not I'm not saying he's literally 253 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,039 in the tank. That's just lazy and not paying attention and not doing your 254 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,519 fucking job. I will say that I did not see the whole ninth round. 255 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:52,159 I've not gone back and rewatched. But Cortes did hit Novas some in 256 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,600 the final minute that I saw. Now, he wasn't hitting him as much. 257 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,639 But the big round of the fight. What Nova had one hundred and 258 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:04,399 twenty punch output if I'm not mistaken, and landed like thirty something of them, 259 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:11,399 and Moretti still gave the round to Cortes, sounding like that you're like 260 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,000 an eight and a half on how bad this decision was, maybe nine. 261 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,120 I'm not know if I'm gonna go that far. I mean, I mean 262 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,039 again, I know, first of all, judges don't have access to copy 263 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:22,240 Box. I say this every time we talk about compyx compy Box is not 264 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,120 the end all be all it provides a reasonable guy. It doesn't show you 265 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,039 the the the quality of punches. It simply shows the quantity of punches. 266 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,919 But over the thirty five or forty years or whatever copy Box has been in 267 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:40,200 business, the numbers generally are in tune with what the results should be. 268 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,279 Now. I mean, there's definitely not times when they're not. Anymore case 269 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,879 though, he almost you know, Nova threw so many more punches, way 270 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:52,600 more punches, seven hundred and eighty three to four hundred and ninety seven and 271 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:57,360 landed many more punches. Also, three hundred more in a ten round fights 272 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:02,200 a bunch. That's a lot. So when you see a guy who's pretty 273 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,039 much, in my mind, took over the second half and almost you know, 274 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,039 at least scored a knockdown, if not a knocked out in round nine, 275 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:12,279 and one judge who is a probably the most experienced judge in Nevada on 276 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:18,319 their panel of their pool that they choose from gave the ninth round to Cortes. 277 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,759 It almost tells you that Nova had no chance to win the fight. 278 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:26,160 So, you know, again, is it the biggest controversy in boxing? 279 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,079 No, but I felt bad for Nova coming off of a loss in a 280 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,759 world tip to fight where you put it himself extremely well against Oshaki Foster, 281 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,599 and then Cortes, who remains undefeated, who was a talented guy. I'm 282 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,759 not trying to knock Cortez because I say this again, I go back to 283 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,960 days where you got controversy and the ire of the fans or the media for 284 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,400 whatever reason, turns towards the boxer that gets to win. I'm not blaming 285 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,160 Cortez. He went in there and did his job, but he's not scoring 286 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,400 the fight. So it's kind of like the old you know, when Tim 287 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,200 Bradley got the win against Manny Packet and everybody threatened Bradley and said terrible things 288 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,160 about Bradley. Don't he wasn't the guy judging the fight. You know, 289 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,359 it's the hands of the judges. So all of my iyer is not in 290 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,400 any way directed toward Andres Cortez. I mean, he does deserve criticism or 291 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,559 not making the contract wait for the fight, but he can. He went 292 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:14,559 in the ring and he thought what he you know, he did the best 293 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:15,880 that he could. But in the end I thought the Nova won the fight. 294 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 End of story. I mean, it's not that complicated. Do you 295 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,359 think we see it again because of the controversy that it might be worthwhile with 296 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,839 Nova being a formal world title challenger or is it just one of those things 297 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,440 that we have to chalk it up the bad judging and Cortez more than likely 298 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,680 he's going to try to get a title shot or angle for a title shot 299 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,079 and not messing again with Nova, who you and under believe that he lost 300 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,000 anyway in that fight. That that's a question. I would have to ask 301 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:42,200 Top Rank what their appetite for it is. I mean, they're the ones 302 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,640 that ultimately are going to control whether there's a rematch or not. They promote 303 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,640 both fighters, even though they were keen to do a rematch immediately between Robasi, 304 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,559 Ramirez and Espinoza, even though they ended up doing the interim bout for 305 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:56,559 both guys, and they're going to do the rematch in the fall top rank. 306 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:00,799 Through their history, has never been a company that jumped into immediate rematches. 307 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,599 It's very rare. Even when they've then they've done plenty of rematches. 308 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:06,880 I mean even take for example, like not a big deal, a huge 309 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,000 fight, but like they got Nico Ali Walsh who suffered a loss, Uh, 310 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:11,480 they didn't do anmedia rematch, but he's got the rematch coming up, 311 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:15,319 so eventually they got around to it. When they were doing Barrera Morales, 312 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,960 they took you know, two two and a half years between their fights over 313 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,920 the course of their trilogy, so they'll do rematches. But I just and 314 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,920 this was not that big of a fight, so you know, I'd be 315 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,440 surprised. I mean, but I think Nova deserves it, and you know, 316 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:29,759 Cortes can maybe a prove a little bit more, they'd be make the 317 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:32,319 weight. But you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna freak out about 318 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:33,000 it. It just it was just disappointed. It was turned out to be 319 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:36,680 a pretty good fight in terms of entertainment value. I just thought the wrong 320 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,440 guy won, that's all. And I wasn't the only one also on that 321 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:44,039 card. Troy Isley, you built this up a little bit in our preview 322 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:45,640 podcast. We also talked about it on the Friday bt US show, that 323 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,240 Isley fighting Javier Martinez, that this was kind of a make or break fight 324 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:55,039 for both guys, kind of in terms of are you going to take a 325 00:19:55,039 --> 00:20:00,839 step up and be a bigger commodity here in top ranks? What did you 326 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,640 think of Isley's ten round decision win they're on the card. I thought Oley 327 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 did a good job. I thought Oley looked good. I thought Osley did 328 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,799 what he was supposed to do. I thought he was the better fighter going 329 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:14,880 into the fight. We didn't make the official pick on the bet US show, 330 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,839 but I know I was asked about it during the Q and A. 331 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,759 I definitely said that Ozzley should should. I picked Eley to win this fight. 332 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,319 I feel like just as a professional, he's been a little bit better 333 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,799 in his pro career, he's a little a little uh more well rounded. 334 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,079 He's recently changed trainers and now he's worked with Brian McIntyre and he's been training 335 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:36,160 with Terrence Crawford and in that camp, and you know, that's about as 336 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,839 good a camp as you can get. And that's not a knock on Martinez, 337 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:44,680 who works with Robert Garcia, but it was it was just it was 338 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:47,440 Troy Isisley had had the better night. I mean they you know, the 339 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,559 storyline going into this matchup was that they had split four amateur fights and high 340 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:55,440 level competitions. It was Isley who won the first two and it was Martinez 341 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,839 that won the second two, even though Iley was the one that went to 342 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:02,440 the Olympic Games in twenty twenty. But I think all through their pro career 343 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:07,640 so far, on a consistent basis, Iley has generally looked better. Martinez 344 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,599 was awfully flat. It seemed to me, didn't have a lot of snap 345 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,119 on his shots, didn't really have a lot of it, didn't seem like 346 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,920 he had much enthusiasm for the fight. You know, body language does count 347 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,440 for certain things. Iley was pretty amped up for the fight, was looking 348 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,799 to go get him, and then it showed in the end he won. 349 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,519 It wasn't controversial in any way. I mean, he won ninety seven ninety 350 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:30,559 one on two cards, ninety six ninety two. There were some each of 351 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,359 the guys that had point deductions for fouling. There were some low blows and 352 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,000 things like that, but overall, this was a good fight, and this 353 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,680 was this was This was Isley taking a step forward and and doing what he's 354 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,319 supposed to do. So he keeps his undefeated record. He's now thirteen and 355 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,880 zero and in the middleweight division, as we've talked about a number of times, 356 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,640 not the deepest way class in the world, but he's on track. 357 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,200 I don't know if it's going to be the next fight, but I would 358 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,559 think that with another couple of fights at the sometime next year, let's say, 359 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,119 Uh, you know, if he keeps doing his thing, he's probably 360 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,480 gonna get a chance to fight for a title they promote uh Jannebek, who's 361 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,799 got two of the belts. So there's there's a there's a guy there that 362 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:11,400 needs challengers. I'm sure he'll rise in the sanctioning body organization with this victory. 363 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,119 And so if you're waking up this weekend and you're Troy Isisley, you're 364 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,559 feeling good about your career, uh and your performance it was it was it 365 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:23,480 was really good. More on the middleweight division and being berefed devoid of the 366 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,279 biggest names in a few moments when we talk about the matchroom show, uh, 367 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,000 anything else from the top rank or shall we move on? Are we 368 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,359 good now? We can move on. I mean we those were the main 369 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,759 fights of interest. I'll say this just one o thing. They have a 370 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:38,480 young prospect on that undercard, Stephen Navarro, which I believe this was his 371 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,839 first fight since he signed with Top Rank and uh and the kid looked pretty 372 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:44,720 good. I mean, he's got a bright future. It seems to me 373 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000 what division on Navarro? What do we remember off the top of our head. 374 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:49,359 I'll double check. I didn't mean to just pop you, just to 375 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:55,400 pop you. Let me double check on my trustee Dan Rayphael boxing schedule. 376 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,720 Navarro as a junior bandam weight. By the way, he comes from a 377 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,960 boxing family, is his it's his uncle that is Josey Navarro, that was 378 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,160 the United States Olympian A faught for world title back a couple times in the 379 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,960 early two thousands. But this was, uh, this was a good performance 380 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,359 from this kiddy. He uh he went. You know, First of all, 381 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,759 it's unusual for guys to go six rounds in their in their professional debut. 382 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,480 Usually start off, uh, you know, in the in the four 383 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:19,480 rounders. But this is now. This was a Navar's second fight, but 384 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,559 he's fought and scheduled six rounders in both of those pro fights, so right 385 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,680 off the bat they were you know, he was starting kind of a little 386 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,680 bit ahead of the game, and you know he went out there and he 387 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,039 got to win against uh, you know, a guy with a good record 388 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,759 in terms of for a young kids seven and three in Mesa, but just 389 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:40,200 a young top ranks got a lot of guys in their pipeline of young prospects 390 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,319 coming through and he is the latest one. He turned pro in April. 391 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,119 This was a second fight in June. They'll keep him busy and uh, 392 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,599 he's definitely a guy to keep an eye on. And speaking of junior banham 393 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,880 Waite, we will hear from Jesse Bam Rodriguez in just a few minutes. 394 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,200 Just sick with us here on the pod here in just a second. Let's 395 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,759 in the chronology though, go next to the match Rooms show Birmingham, England, 396 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:03,880 seven afternoon in the US, Saturday night in the UK, where surprise 397 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,480 surprise, Tyler Denny gets the win over Felix Cash. I don't know that 398 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,720 you could call it a massive surprise because Cash had been off for a year 399 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:17,440 and a half hand injury, mental health issues, et cetera, was trying 400 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,559 to get back on track as an unbeaten middleweight fighting for the European middleweight title. 401 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,359 And I will just say this, I said at the time I put 402 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,880 this on social media, I did not understand why the fight had to be 403 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,599 stopped. When it was stopped, there's my feeling on that they went to 404 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,240 the cards because of the eye of Cash. Denny gets the win. Dan, 405 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:40,559 what are your thoughts picking up from there on the win by Denny? 406 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,160 But more importantly, was it prematurely stopped here for Felix Cash? I feel 407 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,480 that way. What do you think? Yeah, I feel like it was. 408 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:51,279 Also I'm not a doctor. I'm not there looking right at the eye, 409 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:52,880 so take that with a grain of salt. But I've seen enough fights 410 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,200 where there's been these types of stoppages or cuts or this and that where you 411 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,920 know, there you can compare them, you know, if you've got that 412 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:03,359 uh, you know, reservoiring your memory of what you've seen in other fights 413 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,400 before. So I felt it was premature. It was just a disappointing fight. 414 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,160 I mean, it had a lot of promise. You know, Denny 415 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,640 did a good job to box him. This was a you know, to 416 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:18,720 let people know this was the the Zonne main event for Mattrow. They're fighting 417 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,359 in Denny's home area in Birmingham, England, and uh, you know, 418 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,559 he comes in and he and he wins the fight. He was definitely ahead 419 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:26,880 when they stopped to fight, There's no question about that. It wasn't like 420 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,160 he was totally dominating, but he was ahead. And they had a head 421 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,440 Look, Cash look sloppy. Cash started looking tired. So these are all 422 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,519 factors. Go ahead, and then we have a class. It's also this 423 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:38,279 is also you know, this is the first part of the fight. You 424 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,440 know, sometimes you've been off that long, it's gonna take a few rountes 425 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,000 to get into the groove. And so you know, he got twelve rounds 426 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,119 to work with, and uh and he's coming back, like you said, 427 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,279 after the eighteen months off and and uh, you know, he kind of 428 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,240 really did not know what to expect from either guy from for that for those 429 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:59,200 reasons of what was going to happen in this fight, and I just feel 430 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,839 like we were rob of like what could have been an interesting, like second 431 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,119 half of the fight when when you know, they separate them boys from the 432 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,519 men, so to speak, and uh, you know, it was disappointing. 433 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,960 They had a head clash early on, he got to cut and they 434 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,640 let it go for a couple of rounds and then they stopped the fight. 435 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,119 I really, I just didn't I didn't really quite get that they had another 436 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,680 They had another clash, and then immediately after the clash, a split second 437 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:26,759 later, Ginny landed a left hand and then they they took Cash over to 438 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:29,359 the ringside doctor and you're you're clear on this, and we've talked about this 439 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,720 over and over again. The ringside doctor is there to give his opinion, 440 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,480 but ultimately it's up to the referee on whether or not the fight can continue. 441 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,480 And we'll name the referee. Mark Lyson, is a veteran championship referee 442 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,599 in the UK. I thought he should have let Cash continue just because the 443 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,759 eye. Again, we don't take the punches. I get it. It's 444 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,599 easy for you and I on a podcast to say let it go on, 445 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,200 and I and and Cash didn't protest a whole lot. He was like, 446 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,839 he was sort of like, he wasn't rant, and but you could just 447 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,440 tell by the way that they did he was not happy with this licen In 448 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,039 that case, I don't think would have been out of line to say to 449 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,599 him the eye is damaged. You got to show me something or this fight 450 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,000 is over. Now it's on the fighter to show you something. And then 451 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:18,079 it's over because the eye again is not swollen shut. For God's sake, 452 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,240 we were gonna joke about this. That gruesome cut on the head of Tim 453 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,559 Zu bled for ten rounds profusely into his eyes. And I know that's a 454 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,839 championship fight, a pay per view fight, I get it. But it 455 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,599 went on for ten rounds kids, with him bleeding like a faucet in his 456 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:42,640 eyes. So yes, and so I would have liked to have seen Mark 457 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,039 Lyson say to Cash and his corner, I'm concerned about the eye. You've 458 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,200 got to show me something. Or we're stopping in on a technical decision to 459 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,599 go to the cards and then let's see what happens that didn't happen. Is 460 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,079 it the most egregious? You love my vocabulary sometimes on a Sunday afternoon. 461 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,799 Is it the most egregious thing I've seen recently? No, but I would 462 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,920 have liked to have seen the fight go on. And I don't care who 463 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,720 wins between Felix cash And and Tyler Denny. But all right, So then 464 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,000 that leads to the follow up, is Denny Now, we had theorized if 465 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,359 Cash one and one by knockout, like you and I thought that he's now 466 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,200 back in the picture middleway title shot down the road. What does this mean 467 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,920 now with Denny getting the win, I mean the factor, I mean, 468 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,839 I guess he's a factor. I mean you're the European champion. I mean, 469 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,559 just by the virtue of being European champion, you usually are at least 470 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,880 in the conversation for h to be considered for a world title fight. I 471 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,279 don't think this is the type of loss though, that that severely damages Cash 472 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,279 because of the circumstances in which happens. You know, he did get in 473 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,519 some rounds. Again, he didn't look greaty he was losing the fight, 474 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,599 but again it was only five rounds of a twelve round fight, and it 475 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,400 was a stoppage that was sort of like weird, as you mentioned, So 476 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,960 you know, not to believeror the point, but I think they kind of 477 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,200 Denny takes this small step forward. I guess he did get the win. 478 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,839 Credit to him. I don't think it's a very damaging loss for Felix Cash, 479 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,839 who you know, hadn't wasn't at the level of he wasn't European champion, 480 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,920 he wasn't a top contender, was looking to come off the long layoff. 481 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,799 So I guess hopefully both these guys get back in the ring, you 482 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,480 know, in fairly short order. You know, certainly when the when the 483 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,200 eye in the cut is healed up. And uh and maybe, I mean, 484 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,559 I don't think there's me a rematch or anything right away, if if 485 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:22,680 ever, but let them go on and and make their bones do it, 486 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,960 do something else. But uh, you know, Denny, Denny was better 487 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,079 than I thought he would be, and Cash wasn't as good as I thought 488 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,839 he would be. But again, the circumstances of the stoppage were annoying. 489 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,000 It's one thing if a guy gets cut and the ref stops it immediately, 490 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,039 that happens. I didn't feel like the cut was getting worse, That's the 491 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,759 thing. It wasn't like sometimes you see an injury like that, or there's 492 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:47,279 a head clash or something happens, and as the couple of rounds go on, 493 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,559 it starts to get worse and worse or the other the fighters targeting that 494 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,480 injury. In the case of the injury to Cash, I didn't feel like 495 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,680 it was that much different from when it occurred to the point where they ended 496 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440 up stopping the fight. So I was I was really frustrated with that fight. 497 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,319 I mean, I'm I'm not knocking either guy. I was just frustrated 498 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:04,960 with with the way the whole thing went down, all right, And interesting 499 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,839 that Eddie Hearn, who promotes Cash said afterwards and almost like a message to 500 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,759 the fighter through the media, is he wanting to still fight? He said? 501 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,000 Is it? You know? Is he committed to the life, committed 502 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,359 to the life of being a fighter. We'll find out for Felix Cash from 503 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,359 here after the long wayoff and what happened in that. One more interesting thing 504 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,680 from this, and our colleague Ricky Carroll shout out to him wrote about this 505 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,920 on Big Fight Weekend dot Com that the undercard fight again, this was way 506 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,400 down on the card. It may have even been the first scheduled fight on 507 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,920 the card, was supposed to be the first the open of the main card 508 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,119 on his own, Yeah, the opener on The Zone's broadcast was a Keeb 509 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:51,079 Faez and Kane Baker. You're saying, why are we talking about a keep 510 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,279 Faez and Kane Baker. Well, it got pulled a couple of hours before 511 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,960 the broadcast and before the door's opened. It got pulled, and the reason 512 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:07,400 that got pulled is a sensational interesting story. And Eddie Hearn talked afterwards after 513 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,680 the broadcast was off the year to several members of the media IFL TV and 514 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,839 others and said openly, I'm going to tell you we pulled this fight because 515 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,160 there was a gambling irregularity involving Faiz, who's a twenty four year old what 516 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:25,359 twelve and one, and Baker who's had about forty fights. And Eddie Hearn 517 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,160 said it will come out. The British Boxing Board of Control is involved, 518 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,920 and in my fifteen years, I've never had to do this as a promoter, 519 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:38,599 but we pulled the fight due to betting irregularities on Fiez and Baker. 520 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440 So you and I are sitting here as we do this on Sunday afternoon. 521 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,440 We don't have any real more information other than that, other than that's a 522 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,519 really big deal when the promoter is saying I had to pull this fight and 523 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:55,200 I'm in in consultation with the British Boxing Board of Control about gambling irregularities on 524 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,519 an undercard fight. Well, promoters don't like to cancel fights. Number One, 525 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,240 one would assume that Fayez, you know, as the as the the 526 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,759 up and comer, if you are twelve and one, you know, probably 527 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,160 sold a few tickets for the event. You know, he's fighting a journeyman 528 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,559 in Kan Baker. Like you said, he's got like a beating that quite 529 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,680 forty fights. He's nineteen eleven and two. I don't know what the betting 530 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,319 irregularity is, but that would normally would tell you there was a weird thing 531 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,400 about an over under or or or around grouping. We talk about round groupings 532 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,640 that suddenly there's a ton of money. Clearly fay is the major favorite to 533 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,039 win the fight. He's only got The interesting thing is, if I'm correct, 534 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,440 he's only got one knockout in all of his wins. So I'm with 535 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,920 you. Let's hear the British Boxing Border Control tell us what was the irregularity. 536 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,039 Was there suddenly a ton of money on like the under or was there 537 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,359 suddenly a ton of money on Baker to win when you wouldn't think he would 538 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:50,880 be favored to win. I'm curious now they've peaked my curiosity briefly, I 539 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,039 understand that. I mean, listen, here's the thing in boxing, it 540 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,720 really is any combat sport. You know, you'd say the same thing about 541 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:05,480 MMA also. It would be the literally the single easiest sport to fix because 542 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,599 it only takes one person to fix the fight, as opposed to you know, 543 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,599 if you're playing basketball, you know there's points shaving and things of that 544 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,960 like things of that nature, but you can't unilaterally make the outcome the way 545 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:22,039 you want to fix the outcome. In sports, right right, if you're 546 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,440 the guy that's taking the punches, you can be like, okay, I 547 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:27,079 quit after two rounds and you bet the under you know what I mean, 548 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,119 And it's whatever you can. You can easily do that. So obviously there's 549 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,960 an honor system. Uh. You know, I never had a problem with 550 00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:37,160 fighters betting on fights. If they bet on themselves, you know, to 551 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,160 win, I guess, I guess that's okay. But so I'm not I'm 552 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,640 not saying this is what happened in this particular fight. I don't I don't 553 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,680 know the particulars. Were just saying that in general terms, a boxing match, 554 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,720 you know, it really just takes one person, and it takes either 555 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,240 the opponent or you know, either of the two men or women in the 556 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:58,440 ring, the combatants, and and and frankly, the referee also if he 557 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,559 was going to be corrupted, because he could unilaterally at any moment stop the 558 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,680 ftop the fight right right, fix the outcome. So we'll have to see 559 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,559 what comes to this. But the fact is with all the legalized uh gambling, 560 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,199 you know, more so in America in terms of like the apps and 561 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,800 online gambling and things like that. It's so pervasive in our society now the 562 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,519 way it used to be. Another great word, I love it. It's 563 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,400 just inevitable. There's gonna be these issues. We've seen it happen recently with 564 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:30,079 umpires. We've seen it happen in baseball. We've seen it recently in the 565 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:35,599 NBA. You know, the organizations that run these leagues, the sanctioning bodies, 566 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,639 the commissions, they all have to get a grip on this because it's 567 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:43,119 not when there's going to be some gargantuan scandal, or I should say there's, 568 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,599 it's not if it's just simply a matter of way, and we're seeing 569 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,920 them already. We're seeing NFL players get Sandy and Bakers does not the rise 570 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,199 to that level, because that's just a you know, like a lower Can 571 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,519 I tell you something, when you listen to people that that do these investigations 572 00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:01,039 and the authorities and the they say, look for the non descript fights and 573 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,840 the irregularities in this fight, because one of the first things then we're gonna 574 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,840 move on to Bam Rodriguez because they don't need to hear me blather anymore than 575 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,599 as opposed to hearing Bam. We'll hear from Bam in a second. But 576 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:14,360 what they say is when you suddenly see I'm just gonna throw a number out, 577 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,440 fifty thousand US dollars, one hundred thousand US dollars suddenly come in or 578 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,800 even more on a non descript fight and a specific outcome, ding ding ding 579 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,400 ding ding. Bells start going off, red lights start flashing. Wait a 580 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,280 minute, does somebody know something? It's because of that. Yes, I've 581 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:38,000 seen articles and reporting about those types of things that happen in like some anonymous 582 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:44,039 second round tennis match in like a lower level tournament. That's right, they're 583 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,880 not doing it on the final. It's like the you know, the the 584 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,079 second round that's being played at eleven o'clock in the morning in front of nobody 585 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,159 at the point, you know, and and it's like boxing. Here we 586 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:59,320 go again where it only takes one of the two participants who decides, I'm 587 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,960 in on this. I'm gonna hit the ball out, I'm gonna hit it 588 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360 long, I'm gonna hit it wide. I can't get my serve in all 589 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800 of a sudden, and now it's incumbent on the authorities and the officials to 590 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,679 go is this legit? Here? Is he legit screwing this up? And 591 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,199 suddenly, oh, there's suddenly one hundred grand on him to lose in straight 592 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:22,719 sets that otherwise would have probably generated like ten thousand. Correct. And as 593 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,360 my father, we'll see what the British court has to say about it. 594 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:30,079 I brought my father in law twenty five years in law enforcement in Saint Petersburg, 595 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,159 robbery, homicide, robbery, forgery, did a ton of different investigations 596 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,719 forgery, investigations, gambling, all kinds of different things that they would do. 597 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,960 They're all master criminals until they do something stupid that gets them caught. 598 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,159 And so we'll see, we'll see what the British Board of Control comes up 599 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,360 with. And maybe maybe it's somebody that just got frisky and thought they knew 600 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,400 something and bet a bunch of money on an outcome and they can't verify. 601 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,960 I'm just speculating here. They can't verify that that person actually knew anything. 602 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000 Who knows, but it was enough to yank the fight. And Eddie Hearn 603 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,920 talked on the record coming off the weekend about yanking a fight for the first 604 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:13,000 time in his promotional career in consultation with the bb BOC. He's got I 605 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,320 mean, I would think Eddie's got nothing to hide in this particular case. 606 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,039 The authorities came to him and said, here's what's up, and he made 607 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:21,079 the decision to pull the fight, especially when they especially if they come to 608 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,320 him hypothetically and say, Eddie, we got one hundred or two hundred you 609 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,039 know euros being bet on an undercard fight on a certain outcome. This is 610 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,639 this is stupid, it's irregular, and it's it's all digital, it's all 611 00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,920 instantaneous where they can tell now, So who knows? All right, Stay 612 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:44,199 tuned, stay tuned for the info on that without further delay. Very intriguing 613 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,920 coming up in Phoenix. Speaking of de Zone, the Zone will have the 614 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:54,840 main event coming up on Saturday in Phoenix, Jesse Bam Rodriguez, Juan Francisco 615 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,840 Estrada. It is fight Week, coming off our podcast for this week, 616 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,119 you don't have to wait for the rest of the week. Right now on 617 00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:07,239 the pod, here is Dan with Bam. Well, it's my great pleasure 618 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,679 to be joined on our podcast today by Jesse Bam Rodriguez, two division world 619 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,960 champion looking for another title belt. Bam, you're taking on what I consider, 620 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,239 I guess, a very stiff challenger, a future Hall of famer. 621 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,719 Frankly in the WBC Junior bantamweight world champion, Wan Francisco Estrada. This is 622 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,719 a fight I think a lot of people have been looking forward to. He's 623 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,159 the lineal champ, He's a WBC champ, Like I said, future Hall 624 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:34,199 of famer. You're gonna face him June twenty ninth at Footprint Center in Phoenix. 625 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,000 It's the main event live on his own. Thank you very much for 626 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:38,199 doing this. How's everything going, You're getting ready? I think this is 627 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:42,000 the biggest fight you've had. I think in terms of name recognition. Would 628 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,480 you agree with that? Yeh, sir, this is definitely the biggest fight, 629 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:50,519 the biggest opportunity in my career, I've never faced a fighter like Estrada, 630 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,719 so I'm coming more than ready for this fight. So let's go back 631 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,639 a little bit in time to December when you had what was probably your biggest 632 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,239 win. I guess you had a unif cation fight against Sonny Edwards. You 633 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,960 guys were fighting to unify the WBO and the IBF Flyway titles. Uh bam, 634 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,639 you had a spectacular performance at night. You stopped him in the ninth 635 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,440 round. Uh. You know, in a fight that a lot of people 636 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,000 liked going in thought, you know, it could go either way. Both 637 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,360 guys very skilled, with a lot of possibilities in terms of how it would 638 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,480 unfold. What was your take on your performance, because you really, you 639 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,400 know, you took him apart and left no doubt with a very emphatic victory. 640 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,199 Yeah. I feel like I showed people I can box. A lot 641 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:37,800 of people considered me the come forward fighter, but I was able to hang 642 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,079 in there with his speed. So I mean, after that first round, 643 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,039 I already knew it was gonna end in my favorite So what took so long? 644 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,639 I'm just joking. He was a tough fire. I gave a lot 645 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,559 of credit Sunny He was a tough fire. He took some shots and he 646 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,559 just he never stopped. So it was a good fight overall. Yeah, 647 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,599 I'm not knocking him. He showed a lot of heart, like you said. 648 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,519 Yeah. So the question is, so when you won that fight, 649 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,360 you were able to unify the titles in the flyweight division. You had already 650 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,360 been a champion previously in the junior bandomweight division, and so my question is 651 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,599 when you won the fight, was it always your intention to vacate and go 652 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,800 back to junior bandon weight or were you looking around to see maybe what else 653 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,800 there could be in terms of the business and the legacy in the flyweight division. 654 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,800 No, the plan was always to go back to one twelve and win 655 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,840 the WBO vacant and then I did that, and I did want to unify 656 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,079 with Sonny, so we ended up doing that. And I mean even in 657 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,440 training camp, we already knew this was the last fight at one twelve. 658 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,280 So after that fire, it was just trying to move up. And when 659 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,679 you decided to do that, was it always sort of the plan as you 660 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,400 discuss things with maybe with Eddie from that room and Robert Garcia was the target 661 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,239 always to try to get the fight against Estrata for the WBC belt, which 662 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,239 used to be your title. Yeah, I'm not too sure on that. 663 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,760 That's something Robert and Eddie probably can speak on. But you know, I'm 664 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,280 a I'm a true fighter out fight. Whoever, if it was for any 665 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,760 boat, I would have went in there and fought him right away. But 666 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:08,599 was Thetrata because he was the biggest name. I guess was that the guy 667 00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,480 that you were looking at? Yeah? Yeah, Nostrada definitely the best fighter 668 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,679 in the division. And that's what I'm here to do, fight the best 669 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:20,079 fighters and just pick up belts along the way and come June twenty nine, 670 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,679 that's what I'm going to do. So, as I mentioned this the belt 671 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,679 that you're going to fight for. As you know, he's also the lineal 672 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,800 champion because of his victory over Roman Chocolate Tito Gonzalez and their trilogy fight. 673 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,400 But the thing is you you already had the belt. So I wonder is 674 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,119 your mentality like he's just borrowing it and you're going back to get it because 675 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,599 you gave it up, you know, back before you went back down to 676 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,880 the flyweight division. How what is your assessment of that? Is it is 677 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,599 it your mentality? You're going like the champion because you never lost that belt 678 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,159 in the ring. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's a champion. He 679 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,679 has a belt, he has the Ring magazine as well, so you know, 680 00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,440 you gotta give him credit for that. But like I said, I'm 681 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,519 here to collect bugs and beat names along the way. So I'm just here 682 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,920 to take with mine. I think everybody who follows boxing knows the strata looks 683 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,039 at him and says, man, he is a great fighter, truly, 684 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,320 he's a future Hall of Famer. But you're twenty four years old. He's 685 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,760 thirty four years old. There's no I don't think anybody would debate that he's 686 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,119 in the twilight of his career, even though he's shown himself to be outstanding 687 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:20,480 when he's been fighting, and he's got a lot of hard fights along the 688 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,400 way, being a decade younger like you are, being fresher. How big 689 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,920 of a role do you think that might play in this fight, especially you 690 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,719 know, as it gets deeper into what probably will be a tough fight. 691 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,480 Yeah, that's a huge role, definitely, especially with the layoff he's been 692 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,519 on. I think it's in almost two years. I feel like that does 693 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:42,159 going to play a huge factor in this fight, but I'm not leaning towards 694 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,599 that. I know he's gonna come ready more than ever, I feel like 695 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,119 he has a lot to prove a lot to lose as well. So I'm 696 00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,480 expecting the best Strata and I hope he's expecting the best. Bam. Madriguez 697 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,800 will be coming off an eighteen month layoff, and it's not like his last 698 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,039 fight was any kind of easy pickings. That was I'm not mistaken. That 699 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,920 was the third match against Chocolate Tito Gonzalez, which is a very tough fight. 700 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,639 He's been known to be in some rough slug fests. I mean, 701 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,280 watch his trilogy with with with Roman, and you can watch plenty of other 702 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,920 fights some guys. You're familiar with quadras and surround V side people like that, 703 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,559 And we know the type of fighter you are. We've seen you said 704 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:21,599 you wanted to box against Sonny, but we've seen you brawl it out also 705 00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,480 with guys. Do you think that this can be anything other than at least 706 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,519 some type of slug fest type of fight. Oh, I can see myself 707 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,360 out boxing him. To be honest, I have a lot of skill. 708 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,679 I showed that in the Sunny fight, but I feel like I didn't show 709 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,599 it to my full potential. So I feel like this fight will make me 710 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,920 a lot smarter, you know, saying no disrespect to him, but he 711 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,280 didn't have the power to keep me off of him, so I wasn't as 712 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,519 cautious. But against the fire lights Strout, I feel like I'll be more 713 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,079 cautious, more elusive. So I feel like I'll show more boxing skills this 714 00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:57,920 far. Like based on his background, you probably go in even though obviously 715 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,960 haven't felt his power yet. I guess you look at knockouts he's had and 716 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,920 the types of opponents he's face, and have the healthy respect for the probable 717 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,760 power that you'll feels what you're saying, Yeah, of course, of course 718 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,840 with a record like as Jolie, you gotta respect power, whether it's real 719 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,880 or not. You go in there with the mentality that he can, you 720 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,280 know, knock me out. So, like I said, he's been in 721 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,800 a lot of tremendous fights, And I wonder, you know, when you 722 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,599 when you watch boxing and you think about what you may do in the future, 723 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,639 were you a fan of this guy at some point before it even became 724 00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,239 a possibility, Like, hey, maybe down the road, I might fight 725 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,320 this fighter. Were you watching his trilogy with Chocolate Tito? Were you a 726 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,480 fan of his? Even before I was professional, I was watching his fights 727 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,119 like you said, against Charlotte Petrow, Rungvisage, Quadras, I was watching 728 00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,599 those fights and I wasn't even pro yet, so I would I wouldn't. 729 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,239 I wouldn't say necessarily a fan, but I did enjoy watching him. He 730 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,840 put on a lot of great fights. So I honestly never saw as an 731 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,920 amateur, never saw myself fighting him. Once I started kind of thinking about 732 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,000 fighting him, was when he started mentioning my name. When I beat Quadras, 733 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:00,719 he kind of discredit it might win against him in Rungi Sai, So 734 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,280 you know, it was just a matter of time before we met in the 735 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,599 in the ring. So you mentioned some of the guys that he fought. 736 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,639 Now, if you go back, like I guess, maybe over the last 737 00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:15,400 decade or so, the four big names in this weight class and also from 738 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,920 the flyweight division, because these guys have you know, moved up. Also 739 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,920 is Wan Francisco Estrada, is Roman Gonzales, it is Quadras, it is 740 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,079 Swiss cat Sarungby said, you've beaten two of them, You've beaten Quadras, 741 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,920 and you've beaten Sir Rugby. SI. I know you think you're gonna beat 742 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,199 a Strata come June twenty ninth. That would leave like just one more guy 743 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,039 out there, Roman Gonzales that you would not have faced. He's coming back 744 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:42,639 later this summer. I know that. Mister Honda, you know, your 745 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:46,519 co promoter from Teaking Promotions, is very close to Roman. Obviously he has 746 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,039 an affinity for you also, But do you think that and he's never shown 747 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:52,079 an interest to make that fight, But do you think that's a fight that 748 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,800 maybe someday before Roman, you know, hangs him up, that might also 749 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,320 happen and you could potentially go four for four against those four top notch guys. 750 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:05,320 To be honest, I don't ever see it happening. Just because Misterron 751 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,599 was very respectful with this fighters, doesn't you know, like putting him in 752 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,880 with each other. So I don't ever see it happening, to be honest, 753 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:16,079 would you like it? Yeah? Nah, there's too much respect between 754 00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:21,440 us and there's really no point. Fair enough. A lot of people have 755 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,519 or Jesse Bam Rodriguez rightfully so in their top ten pound for poundless, especially 756 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,599 after the way that you took care of Sonny Edwards. A lot of people 757 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,079 thought he would do a good job boxing against you, but we just discussed 758 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,559 as you took him apart. How important is that pound for pound list recognition 759 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,480 to you as a fighter. I mean, you've won the titles, and 760 00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:42,239 you've made a name for yourself, You've been in the running for Fighter of 761 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,440 the Year, But what's it mean to you to be considered in that top 762 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,880 ten pound for pound at this point? It means a lot to me. 763 00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:51,840 Before I was even on the list, I never really care for it care 764 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,119 for it, to be honest, But once I was put on it, 765 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:59,320 I came to the conclusion that it is a huge accomplishment and it's something that 766 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:00,880 I want to Uh. It's a list I want to stay on for the 767 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,519 rest of my career. I know winning this fight will bump me up even 768 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,400 higher, so I'm more motivated than ever just being on that list and being 769 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,480 mentioned with those top ten boxes on the list as well. Now I think 770 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,760 about when you fight this fight, when you fight in San Antonio, You've 771 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,159 obviously been the big hometown favorite because that's where you were from when you're fighting 772 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,320 somebody like Sonny Edwards who comes here to your country and fights in a largely 773 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,920 Hispanic in front of a Hispanic crowd. Him being from England, obviously you're 774 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,079 the big crowd favorite. But when you go to Phoenix for this fight against 775 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,719 Estrada, you're both Hispanic. He's he's a from Mexico. He's got a 776 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,559 ton of fans there. Obviously you've got your fans here. I wonder who 777 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,400 do you How do you think the house is gonna be? Is it gonna 778 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,119 be a Bamar Rodriguez house or a one Francisco Estrada house. I think it's 779 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,360 more one Francisco Estrada house. There's a there's a huge Mexico game the next 780 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,039 day, so I feel like there's gonna be a lot a lot of Mexican 781 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:57,119 fans. They're gonna lean towards his strata, just because you know he's a 782 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,239 He's born there, So I mean, there's no there's really no problem with 783 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,119 that. I have my people going as well, so at the end of 784 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,239 the day, it's us two in the ring. The crowd doesn't really make 785 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,360 a difference at on my end, but you know that there's nothing, nothing 786 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,719 to worry about. You're talking about like there's a soccer game I guess going 787 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,039 on. Yeah, yeah, it's a huge soccer game, got you. 788 00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,000 Okay? I follow boxing, not soccer, so sorry about that. Yeah 789 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,079 yeah, I don't even I don't know soccer. But they've been telling me 790 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:28,519 that there's like a Mexico versus Ecuador or something like that. Yeah, okay, 791 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,840 yeah, all right, I just want to I want to wrap up 792 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,960 with this. I know that you obviously are going to focus and concentrate on 793 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,840 taking on as Strata. As we've discussed, we think we can agree that 794 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,760 it's the on paper anyway, the toughest fight that you've had. But I 795 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,840 wonder, you know, what are your goals beyond winning this title and taking 796 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,920 care of a strata? And I wonder is it about unifying additionally within the 797 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,920 junior bandamweight division with the other champions who are not maybe the most well known, 798 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,679 at least not on this side of the pond. Is it maybe moving 799 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,239 up to bantamweight at some point to go for a title and get another weight 800 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,400 class. There's some good fighters there. Nakatani's also with this Honda Takuma in 801 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,440 Away, the brother of Noia in a way like what sort of like in 802 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,159 your mind that would is the pathway that you think is going to happen as 803 00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:14,199 you continue your career. Okay, so after this fire, I do have 804 00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,880 a rematch clause with this strata, So if that were to end up going 805 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,480 through, then I would fight a strata again, and then I would love 806 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:25,679 to fight the winner of Ioka and Martinez. If the WBO presents itself, 807 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,440 I would go for undisputed as well. But I mean, I'm still run. 808 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,559 I'm only twenty four years old, so I don't want to wait too 809 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,760 long on that. So I definitely will move up to one eighteen and see 810 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,159 who's there at the time. But the immediate future then is one p fifteen. 811 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,800 Clean up that weight class as best as you can, and then to 812 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,599 bantam weight. Yes, sir, And just one more thing, do you 813 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:51,599 have a dream fight? I know you mentioned maybe Ioka, Martinez or you 814 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:52,960 know, one of those guys, but is there a name out there that 815 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,880 that you're like, You know, man, I'd really love to fight that 816 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,920 guy for the money, the recognition, the titles, whatever the case may 817 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,840 be. Yeah, I would love to fight in a way in Japan. 818 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,440 You know when we're actually in the same way class, not now obviously, 819 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:08,519 but down the line a few years from now. I would love that fight. 820 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,360 Now you're talking that's a big time fight. Ye see how mister Handa 821 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:19,400 likes that one. And just to the last question here, do you think 822 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,719 he can stop one Francco Estrada. He's showing a durable chin during his career 823 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,079 and you're a good puncher. Yeah, he's a great fighter. But I 824 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,119 believe I do have what it takes. I'm not going into the fight looking 825 00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,159 for it, but if it happens, it happens. But I just know 826 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:36,440 in the back of my mind I do have what it takes. That sounds 827 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,639 good. We'll leave it there, Jesse, thank you very much for your 828 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:39,880 time. Can't thank you enough, and I wish you the best of luck 829 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:45,760 in the fight. Thank you once again. I prop you nice get And 830 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,000 this guy's very intriguing. At the time that he won his world title, 831 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,800 what a couple of years ago. He was the youngest world champion in boxing, 832 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,360 I believe at that time, and a name and Jan Francisco Estrada a 833 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,039 big name obviously as well. And they're about to square off coming up other 834 00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:06,639 impressions. Having talked to Bam Rodriguez. Look, he's a motivated young guy. 835 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,440 He has his eyes on like hall of Fame type accomplishments. He's gone 836 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,400 a lot already winning a title in this weight class at one hundred and fifteen 837 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,840 pounds, went down in weight, won a flyweight title, was going to 838 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,559 move right back up, but had the opportunity for the unification fight against Sonny 839 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,000 Edwards, which was his last fight in December. Looked spectacular and that fight 840 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,440 absolutely pummeled Sonny Edwards, who's going to come back from that lost fight on 841 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,920 the undercard of the fight on Saturday, and now he's going after Estrata, 842 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,800 So he's going after the belt that he used to hold, which is the 843 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,679 WBC title, but also now the lineal title because of the fact that you 844 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:45,119 have one Francisco Astrada having had the third fight against Chocolatito Gonzalez that put that 845 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,599 lineage back together. So it's a very important fight for both fighters. But 846 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,559 as I spoke to him, people heard the interview, the big difference here 847 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,639 as tremendous a fighter as won Francisco Astrata has been He's going to be in 848 00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:00,719 the hall of Fame someday at this weight class in particular, it's really hard 849 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,280 to look past the ten year age difference, and dam and I both were 850 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,480 in agreement that could be a huge factor in this fight, especially with Estrada 851 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:12,079 coming off of a long layoff. But you never can overlook a star veteran 852 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,760 like that with a great accomplishment. But one thing I think everybody can a 853 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,400 grant whoever you think is gonna win the fight. They're gonna throw a lot 854 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,920 of punches, They're gonna be a lot of action, and that's what we 855 00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,280 like to say. And Bam Rodriguez is in a position to be probably in 856 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,880 terms of these lower weight classes, the number one at least in terms of 857 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:37,400 American bas fighter in that in those in and around the flyweight ish area Junior 858 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,400 Banhamwaight. And you know, at twenty four, he's gonna if he wins, 859 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,079 the accomplishment is going to be so massive. Already he's already on the 860 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:49,519 Hall of Fame trajectory at a young age, and he's a very motivated guy. 861 00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:52,039 He's got a great team behind him. He's got you know, he's 862 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,039 in the camp with Robert Garci, who's Adam since the beginning. Mattroom Boxing's 863 00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,360 done a good job with him. They put him in the right spots for 864 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,400 his fights. They've gotten him the quality, the name opponents, and for 865 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,199 a strata. You know, you gotta tip your cap because he doesn't need 866 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:07,559 to be messing around with a guy ten years younger than them. But obviously 867 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,079 they made the right offer. And you know he's a warrior. And we'll 868 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,679 see you. I hope you see a great fight. Looking forward to that 869 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,039 one in Phoenix. We'll preview it more later in the week. But you 870 00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:20,960 heard from Bam Rodriguez right there as part of our recap pot here coming off 871 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:28,280 the weekend Okay News and Nostalgia, Tank Davis and Vasilly Lomachenko. The conversations 872 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,920 are continuing. What are you hearing here on the ray Field meter? Right 873 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,119 now? Where are we ten? It absolutely happens when it never happens? 874 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,559 Are we three? Are we five? Are we six? What are you 875 00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:42,639 sensing right now? You love these meters? I do? I love the 876 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,480 meter. I need my meter on a Sunday. I mean, I think 877 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:47,639 this one, at this moment in time actually has a real chance to happen, 878 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,199 So I guess i'd put it at like an eight wause. But there's 879 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,199 the reason why, because I don't see any reason why it wouldn't happen. 880 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,400 Because remember, first of all, let's put it in perspective. Okay, 881 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,400 go back four years ago, three four years ago, and there's like you 882 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,519 can watch the videos on YouTube of Mayweather saying we're not fighting Lomachenko. They 883 00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:12,639 were protecting Tank Davis. That was when Lomachenko was pound for pound level and 884 00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,400 Tank was still a young fighter, not a lot of accomplishment, even though 885 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,719 you know he had won and been exciting. I can't I have to pinpoint 886 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,519 the exact time, but the point was it was very clear that when Tank 887 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,519 was working with Mayweather Promotions, which he is not anymore, that they had 888 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,119 no intentions of doing that fight. They were gonna do it on their time 889 00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,840 frame. Well, now was the right time frame. Tank is twenty nine 890 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,360 years old, he's nearing his peak, he's in the top of his game. 891 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,119 He's coming off a big win over Frank Martin, a spectacular knockout. 892 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,880 He come off a humongous win, you know, the fourteen months earlier because 893 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,880 of the you know, he had the knockout against Ryan Garcia and then obviously 894 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,840 had his issues. But if you're not going to be fighting the names now 895 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,239 when then? And Lomachenko was coming off a big win against Cambosis in Australia 896 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,920 where he looked really good and he turned back to clock to some degree. 897 00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:58,639 But you have to also remember it was Cambosis. It wasn't you know, 898 00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,599 an eight plus type of opponent. Uh, he's an older fighter. He 899 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,480 didn't even really want to do the Camboses fight. It was only because, 900 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:07,519 as he's talked about, his father wanted him to come back and win another 901 00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:13,199 title. So I'm not really entirely sure what the continued motivation for Lomachenko is. 902 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,119 So they they look at this is now the right time. If Lomachenko's 903 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,519 gonna still fight, you might as well go out in a big one and 904 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:22,440 try to unify, try to make the most money you can. Obviously, 905 00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:28,760 if you look at the landscape, the biggest money possible for Lomachenko combined with 906 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,000 what he always wants, which is Belts, even more so it seems to 907 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,800 me than the money. Uh, this is the fight that makes sense because 908 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,480 you get a chance to unify, which is important to Lomachenko, and you 909 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,679 get a chance to make by far and away, your biggest person of your 910 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,440 entire I think he'll make more money for this fight than he would have made 911 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,159 for any fight he's ever had in his career. I agree, And he's 912 00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:50,519 going to be the big He's going to be the favorite as a as a 913 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:54,639 younger guy, as a fresher guy. I would imagine it would wind up 914 00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,400 as a as a PBC card, maybe a we'll do some kind of joint 915 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,239 situation and you could, you know, buy the PBC card on ESPN or 916 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,519 something like that. But but I the the the the the barriers that have 917 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:12,679 often existed between making fights between Top Rank and PBC, and all the nonsense 918 00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,360 that's gone into that seem not to be so severe at the moment. As 919 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,079 far as we know, Lomachenko is still married to Top Rank after the Campos 920 00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,239 has win, so it would have to be worked out. He's not a 921 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,239 promotional free agent, No, no, he's definitely with Top rank and and 922 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,760 and Tank is uh, you know, does his thing with PBC. So 923 00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:31,840 but if the this is this is as old as boxing. If the two 924 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,480 sides really want to make the shan, they can usually figure out. How 925 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,480 we saw it. We saw it with the Hatred of Oscar de la Jolla 926 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,519 for Al Hayman and PBC. They worked it out with Tank Davis and Ryan 927 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:45,519 Garcia. Now Garcia was willing to give in on everything, but they worked 928 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,360 it out. So I just I think of this tress that you gave it 929 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,159 an eight. I thought we were getting like a six or interesting. There's 930 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:57,320 no other big money, big, big stakes fight for Loma to have at 931 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,400 the moment, and the same goes for now Tank pick anybody he wants, 932 00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:06,360 But what's bigger than that? I mean, I think eventually Tank will fight 933 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,480 a rematch with Pitbull Cruise. But Pitbull currently is in one hundred and forty 934 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,599 pounds and has a fight schedule for August. So if Tank, if pit 935 00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,639 Bull fights August third, it you don't know what's gonna happen if you're trying 936 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:21,000 to set up a fall fight. So I think that we'll see Pitbull against 937 00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:24,000 Tank if pit Bull wins down the road in AREASA at one hundred and forty. 938 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,599 But for the next fight for for Tank, you might as well go 939 00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,119 for the for the unification. I mean, that's what what else are you 940 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:35,400 in boxing for? You're a star fighter. You're putting on big events. 941 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,639 You need big names at some point, and you're making a lot of money, 942 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:42,159 and now you can make even more money. And my personal viewpoint is 943 00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:45,199 that this fight is a couple of years past when it would have been at 944 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:49,920 its best. So it that annoys me because they are they are they have 945 00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,920 tried to age out Loma, which they're doing, but he's still really good. 946 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,280 He's just not what he was when he was the pound for pound number 947 00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:01,239 one, and so they're they're doing that's I can't I'm not I'm not saying 948 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,239 that I don't like the matchup, and I'm disappointed that they're going to fight 949 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,559 each other. If they make the deal, I'd like to see it happen. 950 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,239 It just I know what happened going into this, that they tried to 951 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,360 age Lohm out. You've done that. Look anyway, I got you. 952 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,400 Anybody that paid attention to Floyd Mayweather's final five six years of his career, 953 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,840 this is what he repeatedly did, which is, let me get every angle 954 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,280 possible, including aging the other guy as much as possible. That's why the 955 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,960 Pacquiao fight took three or four extra years, five years to make the package 956 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,760 five extra five extra years whatever, But all right, so you'll keep us 957 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,800 on the on the Substack, be locked in on Dan Substack and his social 958 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,159 media. Will these talks heat up? Obviously? The other name is Shakur 959 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,400 Stevenson, but I'm with you, Shakur is not as big a name as 960 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,039 Lomachenko or Javonte Davis if they get together and fight for a pay per view. 961 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,719 So let's see what else is there? What else is cooking with that? 962 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,719 Hey? Speaking of Matt troom and in the ring in Birmingham, England, 963 00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:59,840 it was interesting in by design that Eddie Hearn had Jack Catterall in the 964 00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,400 after the win by Tyler Danny. Different fighter, Hey, Jack, guess 965 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,159 what we got? This fight signed with Regis Progray coming to Manchester August twenty 966 00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:16,199 fourth, interesting because Caterall has the win now over Josh Taylor. Taylor back 967 00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:22,000 in twenty nineteen beat Pro Gray. Regis Progray's got a lot to prove here 968 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:24,840 because he comes off of a beating at the hands of Devin Hainey. What 969 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,039 do you think of this matchup? Though? That was announced Saturday night in 970 00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:34,239 the UK Catterall Progray for August. I think it's perfectly, perfectly legit. 971 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,840 It makes a lot of sense for both sides, as they both spoke about 972 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,239 in their comments. If you go back a few years ago, this was 973 00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:43,679 a fight that was discussed. It didn't happen for different reasons. They do 974 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,320 have the common opponent and Taylor, obviously with very different results. Although a 975 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,519 lot of people could argue very clearly that you can absolutely make the argument that 976 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,320 Regis deserved the win against Taylor that night. Lost really close, so it 977 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,039 was a hell of a fight. So look, I mean, I thought 978 00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,719 what Jack was saying in his comments was that he he wants big fights and 979 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,360 doesn't want to wait around. He already costs himself time by by the time 980 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,519 off that he had after the Josh Taylor controversial first fight. He doesn't want 981 01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,719 to go through that again. He wants to stay busy. So let's find 982 01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:14,679 the best possible opponent, the biggest possible name, title or no title. 983 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,760 Let's get it on. Uh. You know, these guys have limited shelf 984 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,840 life in their careers. We're just thirty five years old, you know. 985 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,400 For him, it's time to do whatever he can do. Uh. You 986 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,559 know, not that Catterroll is not as old as Regis is. But the 987 01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,199 point is he doesn't want to have to just sit around and wait and not 988 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,760 fight the biggest fights possible. So if there is no title fight available, 989 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,440 and apparently at this moment, there isn't a title fight available to either one 990 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,880 of these guys. Obviously, in terms of uh Regis, there's no way 991 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,199 he was getting a title shot off of that, the shutout loss to Haini 992 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:47,840 where he lost his belt back in December, and let's be honest, he 993 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,880 looked terribly. He looked terrible against Zoria in the title defense before that. 994 01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:57,280 Regis has got a lot to prove here that he's not washed at this point. 995 01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,559 That's the truth. Yeah, But if you but if you're if you're 996 01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:04,920 if you're Catterall, who's coming off the big win over Taylor uh In just 997 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,559 you know in the last like what a month or month or two ago last 998 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:12,639 where he got the win. But you know, the downside was he didn't 999 01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,519 get any belts because Taylor had subsequently lost the titles when they had fought in 1000 01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:17,679 the undisputed fight, so he didn't get the belts. But if you look 1001 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:22,079 at the division, Hainey is WBC is up in the air, he's got 1002 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,760 a mandatory that's been ordered and they had a purse bid for his fight, 1003 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,360 so you know, whatever he does that that title belt fight for that title 1004 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,280 is out of the out of the question at the moment. Tifi Malopez is 1005 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,360 the WBO and the champion. He's got a fight coming up next week, 1006 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,199 so who knows what's gonna happen there. You aren't gonna wait around and then 1007 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,719 try to suddenly try to schedule that for later this year. Uh Liam Paro, 1008 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,559 who was also with mattrom Boxing, just won the IBF belt literally one 1009 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:47,639 week ago. He's not thinking about his next fight right away for August. 1010 01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,199 And then Pitt Bull Cruz, who's the WBA champ, He's already got a 1011 01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,800 descent schedule for August third on the on the Riete season card in Los Angeles. 1012 01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,199 So the point is, there is no other title fight of the main 1013 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,519 titles that you can go for, so be best is to get your ass 1014 01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:07,119 in the ring against a good quality name, a good quality guy in Regis 1015 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,000 who's also in dire need of a good name and a good win. They're 1016 01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:15,199 both with Mattroom for this fight, and there you go. Manchester, England 1017 01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,760 is the home region of where where Catterall is from. He comes from a 1018 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,960 town has about maybe you know, thirty thirty forty minutes away thereabouts. It'll 1019 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,920 be a big Catterall house. But Regis has never been a fearful guy. 1020 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,760 I'm fighting the other guy's home down. He fought Taylor in the UK, 1021 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,400 he fought Devin Haney in his birth city of San Francisco. So he's always 1022 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,639 been a guy to you know, not not worry about going on the road 1023 01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,199 or anything like that. So look, it's a classy matchup. It should 1024 01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,360 be a good fight. I hope it's a good fight. I hope that 1025 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,800 it's a better fight than it was when Devin Haney, you know, absolutely 1026 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,679 schooled regious and that Regis is there to find some offense and you know, 1027 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:50,039 and and you know, Catterall fight's gonna be a little messy at times. 1028 01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:52,159 He's not the most crowd pleasing guy. Hopefully they can make a nice fight 1029 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,760 and we don't have to wait long for it, which is the point too. 1030 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,920 August twenty, it's not a pay per view, thank god. For 1031 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,559 sixty days. There you go. One more news item in our nostalgia before 1032 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:05,360 we're done. Mario Barrios. I read my Dan Rayfield fight for each Unite 1033 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,519 substack. On the substack you wrote about this, and now we're going to 1034 01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:14,280 talk about it. Mario Barrios officially elevated to full WBC welterweight champion status. 1035 01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:19,199 They've they've made Terrence Crawford the champion in recess or the franchise champion or whatever 1036 01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:23,960 whatever terminology recess. All right, So the interesting name is the name Manny 1037 01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:30,519 Pacquiao, which is what I was reading on your substack, Rayfield. Pacquiao 1038 01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:34,920 is gonna be what forty three years old? He's forty five at the moment, 1039 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,360 he's forty five. I even sold that short. All right, how 1040 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,360 are you gonna get Are you gonna ask me? How legit though? Is 1041 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:47,480 this that Barrios Paqui How it's legit that this could actually be happening with Paquio 1042 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:52,519 off of a three year layoff in an actual A couple of things about that. 1043 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:58,000 Barrios was elevated from interim to full WBC champion, you know, in 1044 01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,920 the last several days. But in the WBC back a few weeks ago, 1045 01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:06,960 reclassified Terrence Crawford as the in recess champion because he was going to be fighting 1046 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,639 in the junior middleweight division for the August third fight, which is for the 1047 01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:15,159 WBA title, but also being sanctioned I guess as a WBC title eliminator. 1048 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,760 You know, take that for what you want. But they didn't immediately elevate 1049 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,400 the interim champion, which is the normal way that you would do that with 1050 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,239 the organization. So they waited a couple of weeks for whatever their reasons were, 1051 01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:29,960 and then they took the vote of their board and that was what happened, 1052 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,159 you know, in the last several days, where they elevated Barrios from 1053 01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:36,800 their interim champion to their full champion. So my thought and people you can 1054 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:42,679 read the contram I spoke to Mario about it at length on Friday, and 1055 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,039 even though he's thrilled to be champion, obviously, who wouldn't be, you 1056 01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,280 kind of lose something where in boxing you want to be in the ring and 1057 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,360 have the ring announcers say and the new and you get all the accolades, 1058 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,559 and you get the party, and you get the memorable moment that did not 1059 01:04:56,639 --> 01:05:00,760 happen, as he said to me, was he had been at an appointment 1060 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,639 with his girlfriend. They're expecting a baby. They were having like the sonogram, 1061 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,239 and he's driving. You know, he's from San Antonio, but he 1062 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,719 was I guess they were a little further away. He was driving back to 1063 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:15,639 San Antonio from the appointment, and he was in the car and found out. 1064 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,280 I guess he had stopped and he read it on Twitter when he saw 1065 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:23,440 that this had happened before even got the official notification from the WBC. So 1066 01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:26,039 that's not the best way to find out your champion, even though you're happy 1067 01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,559 about it. But he is in that position. Look, he looked good 1068 01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:33,639 defending the interim title back on the Canelo undercard not that long ago, last 1069 01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,840 month, and now he's got the full belt, and as he said, 1070 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,119 there's now going to be open for some other significant fights, and there's some 1071 01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:45,400 that have been mentioned. You know, he said about Stanionis, which would 1072 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,559 be unification he fought on that same car. He even said I would fight 1073 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,559 Bootsennis. But the name that has come up and the camps have talked is 1074 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:55,239 to fight Pacio. Now. He said, Look, Pacio is a little 1075 01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:59,360 older, he's ripe in his age. I think it's not the best move 1076 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,760 for him, but I respect Manny. He's a great fighter. I would 1077 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,519 absolutely do that fight if they come to me about that. Pacaw has wanted 1078 01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:10,000 to come out of retirement. People make the mistake that when he retired after 1079 01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:13,519 the Ugas loss, which was a world title fight, that it was like, 1080 01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,159 I'm retiring because I'm old and i can't do this anymore. Let's not 1081 01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:21,119 have Monday Morning quarterback or amnesia one. It was a competitive fight, even 1082 01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:26,719 though he lost two. The retirement was because he was running for president of 1083 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,119 the Philippines and he could not run for the presidency and also still maintain his 1084 01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,360 position as an active fighter. That would not have gone over in his country, 1085 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:38,320 of course, So he retired from boxing, and everybody fully expected that 1086 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,920 if he lost the election he would come back to the ring. He did 1087 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,880 lose the election. Now he has not made an official comeback, but he's 1088 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,480 been itching and looking for the right fight for a while since that. There 1089 01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,639 was all the conversation about doing a Connor benfight. That did not come to 1090 01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:55,199 best because Connor is now suspended and can't get a license, so that went 1091 01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:59,360 out the window. So he's looking for something that is meaningful where he can 1092 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,920 make money and fighting in a world title fight against Brios is on the list, 1093 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,039 and so they've had the conversations. And as Sean Gibbons, who is 1094 01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:11,360 the president or the CEO or whatever the title is, but basically runs MP 1095 01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:15,000 Promotions, which is Manny's promotional company and has been Manny's right hand man for 1096 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:16,639 a number of years. As he explained to me, look, we are 1097 01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:20,159 talking, they have they have a very good relationship with PBC and Al Hayman. 1098 01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:23,800 They've worked with them on a number of fights. Barrios is with PBC. 1099 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,639 We just got to see if we can figure out a way to get 1100 01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:30,920 this so it works for everybody in terms of the money and the win. 1101 01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:35,320 Obviously the win is going to be this fall because Pacao previously before he ran 1102 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:40,079 for a president, he served a term as a congress person as he and 1103 01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,320 then after that he served a term in the Senate, which is even a 1104 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,400 bigger job than the congress person. He lost the presidential election, but according 1105 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,360 to Sean, Manny is going to run for a second term as senator, 1106 01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:55,719 but the campaign won't begin until around February, so his idea is to get 1107 01:07:55,719 --> 01:08:00,320 in the fight September October and then begin the Senate campaign in the early part 1108 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,679 of next year. So if they can work out the financial elements of it, 1109 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,400 I absolutely think this fight can happen for Barrios. It's a huge opportunity 1110 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,480 against a great name, and you just hope that if it does come to 1111 01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:15,280 pass, you don't get the you don't see a fight like a lah Larry 1112 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,399 Holmes against against Muhammad Ali or some type of fight like that where you have 1113 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,359 you know, a top young champion, you know, beating the the snot 1114 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,399 out of the older you know guy that shouldn't be even in the area. 1115 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,960 Yeah, he did not look sharp, he looked reflex wise and whatever. 1116 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:38,079 A lesser fighter three years ago in August. It's impossible, impossible to believe 1117 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:44,560 that he will be better than that coming three years later at forty. But 1118 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,680 I'm just making an assessment about I think it should or should I'm just saying 1119 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:53,680 that's what's in the is what they're discussing, and it seems like there's a 1120 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,119 reasonable chance the other big payday for Barrios. If it's not. This is 1121 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,920 another point that you've been hinting about. Other it's and other so that I 1122 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,000 mean, but it's and that's a good matchup to younger guys. But that's 1123 01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:10,239 not like a mega fight. That's that's that's just it's a good fight. 1124 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,880 And same thing with the bootsanis who's with a with Matchroom again, that would 1125 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,720 be interesting, that's the very interesting name. But there's not. But there's 1126 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,960 not some pot of gold for that fight. There's way more money in a 1127 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,880 pack that fight, sure, because PACs tell a huge name, a huge 1128 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,439 star, all right, and he's goin to happen with that. He's got 1129 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,239 an exhibition whatever that is with a kickbox or coming up Manny Pakiellen. Then 1130 01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:30,079 we'll see. So that was that was noting about it. So he would 1131 01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:33,039 look to use that that exhibition as a way to sort of shake off the 1132 01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:36,680 rust against this uh I guess the Japanese kickboxer who I've never heard of, 1133 01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:42,560 but uh Chihiro Suzuki, which is taking place in a three rounder that's going 1134 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,479 to take place later this summer July twenty eighth in uh In, Saytama, 1135 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,319 Japan on a on a rizing card. And then if he comes through that 1136 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:53,359 and he doesn't get injured, there's no issues, then he would theoretically consider 1137 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,840 himself to be dusted off from the rust I guess to to go into a 1138 01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,039 fight potentially in the in the fall against Marios. Possibly more on the pac 1139 01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,760 man here in just a second. Let's get to the nostalgias, shall we 1140 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,880 for this weekend? And in fact, it was twenty three years ago today, 1141 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,039 June twenty three, two thousand and one, where Oscar de la Joya 1142 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:18,840 beat up Javier Castillo. Noste Leo Caste Lejo. My mistake there on that 1143 01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:25,960 Javier Costello is who he beat for the WBC Junior Middleweight title at the MGM 1144 01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:30,920 Grand You were there, but the name Manny Pacquiao also came into the consciousness 1145 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,119 of one Dan Rayfield and many others. What do you remember about that that 1146 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:39,319 whole anniversary. So let's break it down. This was this was the same 1147 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,760 card, but we'll take it fight by fight. So this is like you 1148 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,560 said. June twenty third, two thousand and one, at the MGM, 1149 01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:48,840 Oscar had split with top rank. He was being promoted by Jerry Prencio from 1150 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:55,279 Univision Sports. You know Univision Sports in Prentio Prentio was one of the biggest, 1151 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,560 you know, billionaire business people in the entire United States. He had 1152 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,239 bank row Ali and Fraser One back in the day, a massively well known 1153 01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:10,279 business person and Oscar was working with him. And you know, for Oscar, 1154 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,600 this was a chance to win not only just another world title because he 1155 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,000 had won a bunch of titles already, but to do it, you know, 1156 01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:18,279 and become the lineal champion in this weight class. It was his second 1157 01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,640 fight after parting with Top Rank. He had done the Arturro Gotti fight that 1158 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,560 was a regular HBO fight. Now he's on pay per view. They actually 1159 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,119 hired even though it was Parentio was company that was in charge. They hired 1160 01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:31,159 Lou de Bella to sort of be the face and do all the talking and 1161 01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,079 help Mete the undercard and all that, and they put this on. It 1162 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,600 was an HBO pay per view event. And you know, Costeleo was no 1163 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,359 joke. He wasn't like some superstar fighter, but he was the real champ 1164 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,800 of the way class. Oscar was moving up. He had fought Daddy at 1165 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,960 one hundred and forty seven pounds. Previously, he had lost in the title 1166 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,560 fight to Shane Mosley also win the welterweight division, so Oscar was making his 1167 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:56,880 junior middleweight debut. This was a big part of that entire promotion of that 1168 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,199 and they fought to fight an Oscar. You know, he looked good in 1169 01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,279 that fight. Casteleo was coming in, he was making like his fifth defense. 1170 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,279 He'd beatn some solid guys, and an Oscar toyed with him. Oscar 1171 01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:11,239 won basically a shutout, like one to nineteen on all three score cards. 1172 01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:14,399 He had scored a to put the cherry on top of a complete one sided 1173 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,159 ass kicking. He knocked Castello down in the twelfth round of the fight with 1174 01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:21,119 just a few seconds to go, and he won the match and got the 1175 01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,760 belt. And so for Oscar, this was a very significant victory because he 1176 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,159 didn't just win a title he was it was the lineal title, and also 1177 01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,720 because he now picks up the WBC title, it set in motion what we 1178 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,960 all felt like was going to be coming just a matter of not if, 1179 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,520 but when, because his next fight was the fight that everybody wanted to see, 1180 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,000 which was the big, big mega unification showdown against Fernando Vargas and their 1181 01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:46,359 you know, very heated rivalry fight. But he wasn't going to get to 1182 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,159 that point if he hadn't have gotten this title against Casteleo. So he does 1183 01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:54,399 his job there, So it wasn't a particularly great fight, although it was 1184 01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:59,880 a very dominating performance from Oscar. But as you mentioned to the next part 1185 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,199 this whole scenario, it was Manny Pakea who stole the show on the undercard. 1186 01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:04,800 And by the way, it is mind boggling to me when you think 1187 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,119 about the fact that here was Oscar on this night fighting for the junior middleweight 1188 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,439 title at one hundred and fifty four pounds and an unknown at least in this 1189 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,840 side of the world, Manny Paco fighting for a junior featherweight title. What 1190 01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:23,600 thirty pounds less use? He was fighting one one hundred and twenty two and 1191 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:29,319 now Oscar's thirty two pounds heavier that eventually this man pack would be the biggest 1192 01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:32,680 star in boxing essentially other than Oscar and fight Oscar at one hundred and forty 1193 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,800 seven pounds and make a mega fight. I mean, it's just nobody would 1194 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,000 ever guess that an a shrillionaeier y right, just that they coincidentally were on 1195 01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:44,680 the same undercard together when they did this match. So anyway, Pacyao was 1196 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,119 not supposed to be in this fight. So Layelo led Wabba from South Africa, 1197 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,640 who was a top champion in the weight class. I was a big 1198 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,399 fan of his. And you know, he had fought on the Hassim Rockman 1199 01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,000 undercard against Lennox Lewis when Lennox lost the title to Rockman, and he impressed 1200 01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:01,159 on that card and he looked like he had a real future. He was 1201 01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:04,039 supposed to fight. My memory serves he was supposed to fight a former title 1202 01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:09,319 holder named Enrique Sanchez, and Rique Sanchez pulled out of the fight, I 1203 01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:13,520 mean three weeks before the fight something like that. And Manny Pacou who had 1204 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,800 been a flyweight champion back a few years earlier but was now moving up to 1205 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,680 the one hundred and twenty two pound way class. As the story goes off, 1206 01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,279 my memory serves he had come to the United States in combination of a 1207 01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:29,119 vacation just California, and also to look at some other gyms and get some 1208 01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,000 work in look for an American trainer to hit him his team. We're thinking 1209 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,159 about maybe coming and fighting in the United States. He walks into Freddie Roach's 1210 01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,880 gym one day, and you know, the story is very famous. They 1211 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,039 hit the mits and Freddie Roach feels like he found like the guy walked in 1212 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,720 I found like the next superstar of Box. And they hit it off immediately, 1213 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,079 and obviously the proofs and the pudding of what they accomplished together. But 1214 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:49,880 they'd only been together a couple of weeks hit in the midst and actually Packet 1215 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,119 was supposed to leave to go back to the Philippines, and my memory serves 1216 01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,720 his trip was delayed for whatever reason, about like a day or two, 1217 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,119 something to do with the travel. Hey, hey, wait a minute, 1218 01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:03,760 Manny, before you go back to Manila. No keep going. So in 1219 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:09,399 that period of time where the trip was delayed, they got the call on 1220 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:14,520 three I believe it was three weeks notice and Freaky Sanchez is out. We 1221 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,680 need an opponent to fight for the title against led Waba on this card. 1222 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,319 And as Freddie Roach tells the story, if Manny had gotten on the plane 1223 01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:23,960 when scheduled, he would have been back in the Philippins. We would have 1224 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,720 never got the title. Show one who that knows what the trajectory of Pakiao's 1225 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,680 career would have been. As it turnout, they had been working out in 1226 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,520 the wild card and he was not had not left, and they accepted this 1227 01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:38,159 fight on very short notice, and they went into their very first fight together, 1228 01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:43,159 the great combination of Nanny Packoo and Freddie Roach and led Waba got his 1229 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,239 fucking clock cleaned. It was like he didn't even know that he was fighting 1230 01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:49,960 a southpaw. He got absolutely destroyed. And I was like, this was 1231 01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:54,279 like a shocking Now tell the truth, Tell the truth. Did you know 1232 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,159 and advance much at all? Because he was working with Freddie Roach about Paqiao? 1233 01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:02,119 Or were you sing their open mouthed like most everybody else that was watching 1234 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:05,680 it, Now, who is this guy? No, that's put on him. 1235 01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,479 What I knew all about pack yet because knew him from when he was 1236 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,399 flyweight champion, I understand. I mean I wasn't a casual. I had 1237 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,439 videos. You had seen him, Yeah, you had seen him. I 1238 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,800 had like the vhs. But still part of you has got to be going 1239 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,079 holy smokes. When they took the fight in the first place and they made 1240 01:16:21,079 --> 01:16:26,000 the switch, I definitely distinctly was like, oh, he's fighting the former 1241 01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:29,279 flyweight champion. And he wasn't just like any old flyway champion. He was 1242 01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:33,319 the lineal flyweight champion. They had won some fights in between. He wasn't 1243 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,600 popular or well known in this part of the world. But I was a 1244 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,960 fucking door getting right right from Hesia and watching the VHS, so I knew 1245 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,560 about him now that said, dude, I think he's gonna beat leed Waba, 1246 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,960 who at that time was largely considered number one at one hundred and twenty 1247 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,760 two pounds and who I was a big fan of and used to talk to 1248 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,760 my friends at HBO all the time about putting him on. They would always 1249 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,640 ask my opinions, I'm making you put a little Wabba on, and put 1250 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:59,119 wabb on and uh so, no, I didn't expect destroid so and by 1251 01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:00,479 the way, led Wabba had had held the title for a while. He 1252 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,520 was making like his fifth or sixth title defense, and in the end, 1253 01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:09,680 Pacyo it just pummeled me, knocked him down three times, broke his nose, 1254 01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,520 you know, had taken this fight on like two three weeks notice, 1255 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,640 and just absolutely beat the living crap out of him. And it was so 1256 01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:18,520 Pacyo was so unknown. And then the clip is hilarious. You can find 1257 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:24,720 it on YouTube that the great team of Jim Lampley and George Foreman and Larry 1258 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,359 Merchant on HBO made a joke on the air to themselves because they kept sucking 1259 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,159 up how to say Pacio's last name, because at the time, you know, 1260 01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:34,399 it was Picayo Paciawo. I mean, nobody really knew what to call 1261 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,319 him, and they kept screwing it up. But that's how unknown he was 1262 01:17:38,399 --> 01:17:42,840 to the public at large, and he puts on a star making performance. 1263 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,680 It blew everybody away. The HBO executives were blown away. They were like, 1264 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,720 we definitely want to have this guy back on our air, And as 1265 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,039 it turns out, they did bring him back and he ended up fighting you 1266 01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:55,800 know, a million fights on HBO and HBO pay per view, of course, 1267 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,680 but it doesn't happen without the start of this fight because in his next 1268 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,439 fight they put him up as a you know, on the main network, 1269 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,760 there was a unification fight against Agapito Sanchez. It turned out to be a 1270 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,600 draw because of a headbutt, a technical draw. But then they still love 1271 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,159 Paka. They gave him a prime slot. Remember, if you fast forward 1272 01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:16,600 to one year after lovel of Wabba fight June of two thousand and two, 1273 01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:21,279 HBO and Showtime are doing the Tyson Lennox Lewis pay per view, And the 1274 01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:25,560 way the pay per view worked is that each network got that they only did. 1275 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,439 If I'm not mistaken, they'd only a three fight telecast. It was 1276 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,119 the main event and the two other televised fights. Each network got to pick 1277 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:34,640 the guy they wanted to put on the broadcast. Manny Paca was the HBO 1278 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,319 pick and they put him against where Lsi Julio and he knocked him out. 1279 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,800 And point is, the Lied Wabba fights started the next level of Manny's career 1280 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,560 where he became an attraction and a popular figure in the United States. But 1281 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,880 without that destruction of the Waba, that does not happen. And that was 1282 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,119 twenty three years ago. And the fact that we're here twenty three years ago 1283 01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:59,199 later to the day talking about he may come out of a three year retirement 1284 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,960 to challenge a welterweight champion first title this fall is fucking mind boggling and shows 1285 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:08,039 you how fucking crazy boxing can be sometimes. But the Led Wabba fight was 1286 01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:10,800 a start. That was back before Patio, you know, was even a 1287 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,319 complete fighter. They had to work for a long time, you know, 1288 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,199 on on certain punches that he had to put together. He was largely a 1289 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,039 one handed fighter back then, but Freddy molded him. They were such a 1290 01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:23,000 great combination together and he went on an unbelievable one of the greatest runs in 1291 01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:27,119 the history of boxing, and it started by winning that title at one hundred 1292 01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:30,039 and twenty two pounds on the same night that Oscar became the lineal and WBC 1293 01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:33,760 champion in one hundred and fifty four pounds. So at the time, yeah, 1294 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,880 it's like another fight card, you know, a nice card, you 1295 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,680 know, big star in the main event, winning for another going for another 1296 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,119 title. And when you will look back on it twenty three years later, 1297 01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:47,880 you realize how significant that it was, the historical significance of it dripping. 1298 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:55,439 That was twenty three years ago on Sunday. Fast forward now four years later, 1299 01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:00,680 June twenty five, Tuesday is the anniversary of Floyd Mayweather beating somebody's guy, 1300 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,279 Artural Gotti in his first pay per view main ev you got to bring 1301 01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:05,880 this one up, do you well? I mean, it's on your sheet 1302 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,920 here, it's nineteen years ago. It's nostalgic. You were there in Atlantic 1303 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,479 City, all right, What do you remember about Floyd that night putting it 1304 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,520 on Gotti? Real quick? I remember saying Arturial Gotti is my all time 1305 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,039 favorite fighter, and he has no chance to win this fight. I mean 1306 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,920 I just saw no way that it was gonna happen. And he got absolutely 1307 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,720 outclassed, outbox outbeat out, punched out everything, and Floyd was totally dominating 1308 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,560 and stopped him. And it was not even not even a real contest. 1309 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,760 I mean, it was just a pummeling. I mean it was started at 1310 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:43,640 the beginning of the fight with a knockdown. And you know if after the 1311 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,199 fact, but did you sense this is gonna be trouble for Gotti because of 1312 01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:49,399 floyd skills or did you not know? Did you genuinely get shocked at how 1313 01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,680 one sided it was? No, I'm not shocked at all. I just 1314 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:56,079 said that I totally expected. I mean it as a as a as a 1315 01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,760 fan of Arturro is my all time favorite fighter. It hurt, but watch 1316 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,800 it, but you know, you're, oh, you know, you know, 1317 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:01,960 you know what's gonna happen. You figure you know what's gonna happen, 1318 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,319 and you're watching unfold. I mean, Gotty lost every second of every round. 1319 01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:10,520 It was. It was the disparity in skills and speed and talent, 1320 01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,640 uh were you know, are not measurable. I mean, Archer always had 1321 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,680 the heart but it just he had no chance. He was the he was 1322 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,680 the champion of the WBC at that time on one hundred and forty pounds, 1323 01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:23,680 and this was a fight They've been talked about for a long time. Uh 1324 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,600 it was. It was the first pay per view fight in what became a 1325 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,800 long line of massively lucrative pay per view fights for Floyd Mayweather. But it 1326 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,000 doesn't happen without getting this fight because Gotty was the A side. It was 1327 01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:36,199 the last time I think, other than when he fought Oscar that Floyd wasn't 1328 01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:40,960 the A side of a fight. Never. Floyd was going through some uh 1329 01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:44,359 legal problems at that time. There was a lot of issues in scheduling the 1330 01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:47,800 fight. A lot of it was a very contentious uh negotiation. Uh, 1331 01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,520 and but they finally made the match, and uh, you know, it 1332 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,560 did good numbers on pay per view, and and from here Floyd went on 1333 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,439 to have some very very big fights. But Gaddy, Uh, you know, 1334 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,000 he put on you know, he didn't have to take this fight. 1335 01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:02,439 He did it because he wanted to fight the best guys. He made a 1336 01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,760 lot of money for the fight. And actually after after Arturro lost this fight, 1337 01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:10,239 Uh, the crazy part about it is he went on, uh to 1338 01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:13,439 still have you know, some other some other wins. He still got another. 1339 01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,279 I mean it was at the end of his career, but he still 1340 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,119 won his next fight. He then got another chance to fight Valdimir for the 1341 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:23,439 for the the lineal title, the WBC title. But this was really in 1342 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,960 my mind, this was like the end of Gaddy, his second coming post. 1343 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,520 Like after he had lost to Oscar, he had rebuilt, he had 1344 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,399 had the Mickey Warred trilogy, he had won another world title. Uh, 1345 01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,880 and this Bloyd Mayweather fight kind of drew the curtain on that part of his 1346 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,720 career and then he was sort of just playing out the string the last you 1347 01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,279 know, last three fights or so. But but when Floyd knocked him down 1348 01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,880 in the first round, it was like a punch he never saw, had 1349 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:50,600 no chance. The speed was just so so dramatically different. But it was 1350 01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,319 an important fight at the time because it was the launching pad for Floyd is 1351 01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:59,279 a pay per view star. You know, he came to Arturo's home area 1352 01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:01,439 where he was and from New Jersey, but that was New Jersey was his 1353 01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,640 that was his turf where he was a star, where he packed the building 1354 01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:10,000 and and he kicked his ass, and it was I was there. I 1355 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:13,319 wasn't. I wasn't. You know, nothing against Floyd, but I was 1356 01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:15,439 sad, just as a fan of our tourists. But it wasn't like I 1357 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,119 was shocked. I knew it was coming. It was inevitable. What are 1358 01:23:17,119 --> 01:23:21,000 you gonna do? Well? It was great that night. Uh, it 1359 01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:26,359 was great every night after that, and he was nineteen nineteen years ago June 1360 01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,319 of two thousand and five. All right, full show man. We gave 1361 01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:33,880 you a bunch with the recaps of the top ranked main event win by Espinoza, 1362 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:40,800 the featherweight champ, the controversy in England with the Tyler Denny Winn. 1363 01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:45,680 You heard from Bam Rodriguez. It's Bam and Estrada this week Teya Fimo Lopez 1364 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,680 defending his title. Later this week, we're gonna have a bunch of preview, 1365 01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:51,600 some good news and nostalgia around it. Anything else that we haven't covered 1366 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:58,720 before. I am off with my teenage daughter's night long birthday party on the 1367 01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,239 on the party bus again. These are sixteen year olds. Everybody, get 1368 01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:04,520 the images out of your mind. They're just having fun going out with their 1369 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:09,399 friends and the parents get to you know, do things like carry all the 1370 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,479 gifts, the cupcakes and pay the bill. But at any event, anything 1371 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,159 else before I depart for that, my friend, I only have one thing 1372 01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,439 to say, and that is good luck with the party bus. Yeah, 1373 01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:23,119 if this should be our final broadcast, because I am ruined by whatever has 1374 01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:25,600 transpired, I threatened, I'm just kidding. They're gonna have a blast. 1375 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,520 They're turning sixteen, they can't drive yet, they haven't taken the driving test 1376 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,960 yet. But we're gonna have fun with that. And you can say it 1377 01:24:30,039 --> 01:24:32,039 one more time, you want to say it one more time, better you 1378 01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:35,199 than me, go ahead, get it, better you than me. Have 1379 01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:39,199 a good time. That's going on tonight. My thanks to Dan. Listen. 1380 01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:41,239 If it is the last one, at least we gave them, like 1381 01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:43,479 we always do, a very full show, all kinds of stuff. We 1382 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,720 covered, the recaps, the news, the commentary, the nostalgia, and 1383 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,439 off you go to estrogen, the absolute estrogen that I'm gonna deal with later 1384 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,479 tonight. Listen, we had a blast as always. They need to follow 1385 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,039 subscribe on the podcast beat, read up on the Fight Breaks to Night a 1386 01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,319 sub stack as well. Why are you not subscribe? To that we'll be 1387 01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:03,920 back soon enough. Previewing the weekend, we go into the weekend previewing, 1388 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,840 we come off the weekend and recap twice every weekend. You get us on 1389 01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,720 this speed. Then Dan, have a good week. Thank you, my 1390 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,560 friend, you too, bet are you? Then there you go, there's 1391 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,920 Dan Raphael, I'm nearly TJ. Reeves. We thank you for being with 1392 01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:19,720 us on the fight for each to night recap