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Welcome everybody. Here we go Happy
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is Tuesday, May second, twenty
twenty three, and I'm not alone.

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Hello, Jenny is here at the
news desk. Yes, I am present.

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Yes, I am present. I
do not know about my brain,

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but I am. Oh my yes, should keep it in your head and

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you always know where it is.
That's true. Uh, it's there,

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but I'm just not able to brain
today. Oh I see, I see.

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Yeah, so, uh, we
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on Tuesday, of course. But
we have a wonderful musical guest coming in

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who I know you're excited about,
except we're not sure if his name is

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Abner two or Abner the second because
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it. So is it the Roman
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L. Well, it's two of
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like so it looks like the Roman
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to ask him how to say that. Yeah, I'm excited about him.

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He plays the viola, yes,
which we've never had correct that I can

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remember. Yes, and he does
like this looping thing. It was actually

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slim volume that suggested that we have
him on the show. Oh, okay,

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recommendations very seriously. Yes, I'm
very seriously do Yeah. So I'm

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excited for this. That's why I
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to see him play live. I've
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actually seen anybody doing looping live in
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videos. Yes, So I am
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So he'll be joining us in the
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to that. Yes, Yes,
tomorrow on the show, we've got a

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factory of art. They are German. Yesterday, are skiping in from Germany.

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It will be eleven o'clock their time. Because they're actually going to stipe

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in it, like I think they're
stiping in it. Yeah, five,

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they're skip in a five. Okay
for a moment there, I confused myself.

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I got confused with the one that's
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we know if Heather Stockwell is coming
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able to come this week. She
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Oh okay, I'll have to let
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do that weekly segment with Eric starting
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it this week. There is some
more, there is some new uh Stephen

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Crowder news. Ye, so,
but I'll save that for when, for

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when Eric joins us. Yes,
yes, agreed, agreed? Yes,

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well, very good, very good. Yeah. So Abner two or Abner

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the second will be coming up in
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Abner. Yeah, we'll see you
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everybody in the Facebook live chat.
Fredo or I like to say his full

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name, of course, Alfredo Enrique
Benavitis joins us in the Facebook live chat,

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says shout out to Gordon Lightfoot.
Yes, that's something I didn't mentioned.

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We didn't get to yesterday on the
show, Gordon Lightfoot passed away at

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age eighty four. You know,
it's funny too, because I don't remember

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if it was on air or off
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air on Retro Spectrum Radio with paulc
relatively recently. We we're talking about we're

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talking about Gordon Lightfoot, and Paul
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at eighty four, he was still
touring, and then sure enough I looked

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it up and yeah, he was
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he has passed away at age eighty
four. I'm not sure what the cause

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of death was. I actually did
not hear that. Well, we'll look

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at this quickly and then we'll go. I watched some of Alfredo's videos.

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He does bit videos with playing with
him playing. He's enormously talented. He's

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seriously several great bands of course,
Dank Sinatra and Cosmic Blossom and very talented.

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I don't know if he's still playing
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yeah, very talented. And of
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him just by himself which are amazing. But yeah, just quickly. Uh,

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this is from the ap. Gordon
Lightfoot, the folk singer songwriter known

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for If You Could Read My Mind
and Sundown. Yes, we did discuss

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it on Retrospect your radio. I
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songs that told tales of Canadian identity, died Monday. He was eighty four.

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He died at a Toronto hospital.
His cause of death was not immediately

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available. Okay, so we don't
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yes, so shout out and Gordon
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there's a picture. Of him on
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definitely toured right to the end.
Wow, these guys do because, especially

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in their day, the contracts stunk
for artists. Things are a little bit

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better than they were back then.
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end up playing as long as they
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they should off of their earlier work. Yeah. Well there's also some of

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that too, is Um. Sometimes
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reasons because and this happens more often
than people realize. The Grateful Dead,

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for example, on themselves in this
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infrastructure. Because if you have a
lot of people working for you, um,

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in terms of management and everything else
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forth. Um, especially if you
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some of your your touring uh personnel
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on tour, it ends up costing
a lot of money. So you can

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you can get into a cycle.
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a victim of your own success in
this way. And again this happens more

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often in the music industry than than
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can be a victim of your own
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so successful as a tour enact that
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lot of money coming in if you're
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also a lot of money going out, and you've got to keep enough money

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coming in to cover your nut,
as they say, to to have enough

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money to cover the money that goes
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debt ceiling, which we'll get to. But but so that's that's the reason

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too. You know, some of
these artists, they pushed themselves past the

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point of really, you know,
where it can be pretty difficult to continue

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to do what they do. But
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to keep going because a lot of
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they work with and people who work
for them. Arrowsmith is going to finally

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do their last tour. Yeah,
oh thought that recently. Yep, yep.

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I'm not surprised though. Fifty coming
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Yeah easyg Eric Agne is in the
chairman, says Hi, Matt, Jenny

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and my many peeps. Hello,
Hello there, darling. Glad to see

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you. Melanie law Liberty from the
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hey, guys, And she said
to Eric easyg aren't you just itching

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to block me? Because he has
a tendency to do that. And Jenny,

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I see here in the chatroom as
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let's see. Uh. Melanie said, uh, are you sure you

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can tell what anybody said? Melanie's
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Melanie said, I wonder will you
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Right? Right? Yeah? Sometimes? Uh yeah, yeah, she's she's

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just at she's daring Eric to block
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the Facebook live chat, Hello,
um now, uh, Fredo, I

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think this is in reference to our
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Abner two or Abner the second.
Fredo says, does he have bandmates?

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Which are the number two? On
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said the number two could be dose, could be duo, could be due,

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d e u X, or deuce. That's true. There there are

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a lot of possibilities there. I
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in the Facebook live chat. Uh
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Isaac says good afternoon, hashtag Matt
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to give a morning shout out to
My best friend. Is Luchera Huntley from

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Atlanta, Georgia. She lives in
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us? I hope so. She
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She is my best friend. Hi
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thank you for your good advice.
Well, I would like to thank uh

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Luchera Huntley for giving good advice to
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Carolina. I think that is wonderful. I think I would like to thank

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you for not having as many hashtags
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picked up on the Yeah there's only
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seven Before we get to anything else
too. I wanted to I happen to

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see this on media. I know
we've had an awful lot of time.

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It's ironic Tucker Carlson gets fired and
yet we have so much of him on

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the show. In terms of things
to talk about but this just kind of

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you had brought this up yesterday,
this specifically, So I saw this,

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I thought we should mention it.
This is from media new leaked video shows

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Tucker Carlson flipping off critics and discussing
his quote post menopausal fans and a quote

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yummy woman. So you had brought
this up yesterday. So I'm not going

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to play the actual video in case
his profanity in it, because I didn't

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have a chance to pre screen it. I mean, he does do profane

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things with his fingers, both of
them. He's flipping the double bird in

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this still shot from the video,
but it says here. The fallout from

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Tucker Carlson's Fox News auster has led
to the leak of videos showing crass comments

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the host made off the air.
You know, I love all the behind

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the scenes stuff. In the days
after Carlson was fired from the network,

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multiple reports claimed his ouster wasn't part
fueled by network leadership learning, as a

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New York Times put it of quote
highly offensive and crude remarks unquote. The

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Times reported that they reviewed some off
air footage of Carlson talking about whether his

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quote postmenopausal fans unquote will approve of
his looks, as well as another video

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where he commented that someone else's girlfriend
was quote yummy. Well. The liberal

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watchdog Media Matters is now obtained and
published those videos. The news story comes

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after they published on Monday leaked footage
of Carlson trashing Fox Nation, the network

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streaming platform. It remains unclear where
these videos came from. It defies logic

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that Fox News leadership with leak videos
of an ex host trashing the network's vanted

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streaming platform to Media Matters, of
all places. It may be the case

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of Media Matters obtained the footage from
the same source as The Times, whoever

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that may be. In one video, Carlson comments about the woman he finds

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yummy, which also includes him flipping
the bird at Media Matters because he accurately

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predicted they'd get this video of him
someday. And he says, oh,

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yeah, sure enough. There is
profanity in the video. Good thing I

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didn't play it. He says,
Hey, Media Matters for America, go

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blank yourself. That's the first thing
I want to say tonight. The second

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thing is totally kidding. I don't
even know what his girlfriend looks like,

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and if I did, I would
not find her yummy ut all right.

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Another clip showed Carlson talking to Fox
Nation host Peers Morgan before an interview during

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which Carlson invites Morgan to chat about
their sexual techniques. I'm not going to

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read that bit of dialogue on the
air. It would not be appropriate for

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Afternoon Drive. And finally, there's
a clip of the X Fox host on

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the set of Tucker Carlson Today,
remarking, quote, I can never assess

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my appearance. I wait for my
post menopausal fans to weigh in on that.

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Unquote, Well, this is just, uh, you know, that's

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just you know, off air stuff
that somebody recorded. But the thing though,

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that you always want to be aware
of and uh is that you know,

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when you're in a when you're in
a television studio, or you're in

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front of a live mike in a
radio studio or wherever it is, you've

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always got to be cognizant of the
fact that and I mean there's nothing there

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that's you know, like a scandalous
or anything, but you do have to

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always be cognizant of the fact that
someone might be recording you, because what

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happens is if someone doesn't if you
don't treat your people well and someone doesn't

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like you. That leaked video.
Even pre Internet, this would happen where

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a video might get leaked. For
example, this goes way back to Bill

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O'Reilly. It's probably the most famous
example of this happening Bill O'Reilly when he

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was on what was the name of
the show A current affair? Is that

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the No no, the other show
that's similar to that point, No,

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no, no, it was whatever
the name of the show was before he

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went to Fox and did the O'Reilly
Factor. Yeah, it was inside Edition.

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I think I think it's inside edition. You know you've seen it,

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right, the video of him freaking
out, which is hilarious because yeah,

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yeah, because he becomes so irrationally
angry. But that was even before the

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Internet was really big that that leaked
out. But that's an example of somebody's

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always recording or a personal favorite of
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O'Donnell on MSNBC during a commercial break, somebody that the tape was rolling,

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and somebody used it against him.
He if you've seen that one to stop

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the hammering, I don't know if
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I'd play that, but that's studio. That's also got profanity in it.

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Yeah, you're in the studio.
Why don't you assume everything's on tape?

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Come on? And maybe he just
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by his rage that because it was
like, O'Reilly level rage. Hey you

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know they're both Irish, you know, so they got those Irish tempers.

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I can say that and it's not
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But uh yeah, Oh the Laurence
O'Donnell one is great because apparently this so

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he here's the sound. They're in
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somebody hammering, and he's like screaming, stop the hammering, and they get

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Phil Griffin on the phone, Phil
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want to talk to Phil Griffin about
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mind. And it's fantastic. I
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I wanted to look at that quickly
because you had mentioned yesterday Tucker Carlson's

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comments about post menopozzle women that it
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I don't think pre menopozzle women or
post mental pozzle women are gonna find much

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attraction in that guy. Oh he
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But what about when he had the
bow tie? You know, didn't

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find him attractive that No, no, no, I mean for the ones

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out there that go for money,
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oh heck, now he's got a
lot of money. That's about it.

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Melanie in the chat room says,
I have an annual blocking quota. I

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like to meet in the first six
months of the year. Takes the pressure

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off of me. You are such
a troublemaker. Isaac Banks says hashtag Matt,

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I'm meant to say I want to
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Huntley. Sorry hashtag Matt and hashtag
Jen. Noting the correct time of day

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when giving shoutouts is extraordinarily important because
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shout out in the afternoon, it
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glad that Isaac I realized that.
Isaac Banks also says in the chat room,

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Hello John Sasser McKee the fifth we
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group in Peppermint Company zero point five. Since they are good friends with you.

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All these pop singing groups getting worse. It's like the never ending rabbit

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hole. Peppermint Company zero point five. That's a catchy name, you know

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when you talk about pop singing groups, you know, if you if you

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talk about like the Backstreet Boys or
end Sink, you know, what about

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Peppermint Company zero point five? How's
that for? I really like fun named

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bands. Okay, love that they
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five is too much, but we
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Drow and the Holy Socks. Yes, but a real band, yes,

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yes, yes, yes, but
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it's not. Actually, I mean
I like that. I mean maybe Texas

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Mike will end up managing them as
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Company. Peppermint Company. That's actually
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think it is. Actually, I
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would like to now, I wonder
if I can join. I'd like to

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join that pop singing group. We're
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we just uh you know, I'll
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i'd remotely play bass. I bet
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I can sing I could be it's
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well, I can sing. I
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solo. I get lost, but
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Yes, there you go. Isaac
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McKee. The fifth Friends of Peppermint
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mixed group. Oh, it's a
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Mick Well, I like diversity,
so that that could be what that means?

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I don't really. I thought he
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folky and a little maybe. I'm
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with a cool name like Peppermint Company, I'm in. Count me in zero

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point five. We're not to the
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point five, but if you can, I want the full version. Well

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that the zero point five is a
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the zero point five if you just
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Company. That is the sound of
money. Oh, I like it.

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I like it. Six three two
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line six three two five six zero
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to join Pepperman Company because that spot
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speaking of money, is everyone uh
is everyone excited for armageddon? No?

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I don't mean. I don't mean
don't worry, don't anyone, don't anyone

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panic. I don't mean a nuclear
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I just mean economic armageddon where our
elected law givers and overlords, as

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I like to call them, uh, will be uh in in what I

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think in sports they call an unforced
error. They will be destroying the United

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States one, destroying the United States
economy as we know it. It's very

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exciting. It's it's finally about to
happen. You know, they'll be so

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proud of themselves for starving the troops. Yes, yes, because you know

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that's who's not getting the paycheck.
Yes, you know what, uh you

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know what it reminds me of.
It's like, uh, you know how

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you know we've been talking about Motley
Crue recently in the Trouble and how I

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said, anyone who's ever read the
book The Dirt should have known that it

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was going to end this way.
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the debt limit crisis. You know, anyone who pays attention to politics should

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have known it would end this way. So yes, now listen, Hopefully

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we we avert avoid this, but
we have less than a month. Janet

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Yellen. Janet Yellen says by June
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the debt limit is not raised,
and which can affect social security payments.

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Well, basically, no one military
paychecks. We've never in the history of

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the country defaulted, So no one
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if it actually happens. But um, from everything I've read, it will

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be uh, somewhere between catastrophic and
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it, somewhere in that range.
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the people don't get paid, well, um, yeah, what what happens

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now? What happens to medical facilities
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so many things that this effects.
That is scary and I used to think

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of it differently, and it it
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talk about the obligations we won't meet, they're talking about the ones that we've

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already committed to, like paying our
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and you know that's sort of a
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you know what, we never see
Congress on the chopping block. Well,

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of course, not we need to
cut back Social Security. They want it.

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They're they're arguing to cut back food
stamp allotments, but nobody's arguing to

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cut their paychecks. No, their
healthcare. They can afford to trim some

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fat, you know. Now,
I saw some polling data that, um,

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I'm ticky. I saw some polling
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But then I realize exactly why this
happens. So I saw a poll that

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showed only twenty five percent of Americans
surveyed who follow this are are very concerned

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about the economy, about I'm sorry
about the debt default. Only only one

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in four Americans surveyed are actually concerned
about it. And I realized his So

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we've become desensitized because people don't realize. I don't think the average American who

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sort of pays attention to this,
um realizes the difference between this and say

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a government shutdown because of a budget
shortfall or something, or we don't have

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a budget and man, but not
that government shutdowns aren't disastrous. They are.

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They cost the economy billions of dollars
every time one happens, but you

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know, we always get through it. But I think, I think people

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are so used to these government shutdown
what's happening, that they've become desensitized and

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they genuinely don't realize that's not what
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far more serious. And I can
tell you not to be a pessimist,

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not to be a downer, but
the level of anxiety that I am feeling

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over this particular potential debt limit default
is exceeding the level that I felt in

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twenty eleven, which is the first
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and this dance that we go through
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in twenty eleven I started really paying
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looked bad. And then and then
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you know, there's been there's been
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it's been dispensed with relatively quickly.
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It's because we're so close to the
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further away from it for the most
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and and I agree with what you're

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saying. And I think a large
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I was thinking. You know,
you think about the debt limit. When

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I thought about the debt limit,
I thought about the government spending money on

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new projects, new ideas, or
trying to borrow money to do something new.

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I did not understand that it was
actually the commitments we already have.

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It's paying the Social Security check that
everybody paid into, it's paying writing checks

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to government workers, it's writing checks
to our military, our military, you

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know. And every time this comes
up, though, Republicans will say,

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if you give us cuts, will
allow you to raise it. And it's

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such an awful thing when you when
you realize that what they're really talking about

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is is defaulting, is bailing,
is walking away from the Americans who have

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paid into this system and we're geting. We're told this is what you get

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at the end. You know,
as far as Social Security goes for disability,

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people pay into disability insurance. If
you happen to need that, that's

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what it's supposed to be there for. You paid in for it. We

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expect our military to get their paychecks. We don't expect there to be any

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disruption in that. But all the
Republicans are talking about is like cutting food

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stamps. Well, so I don't
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there because there are, for example, in the Senate, you have mature,

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sensible Republicans who actually understand how this
all works and and they're not interested

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in default. But what happens is
and this has gotten worse. See,

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we saw this phenomenon in twenty eleven
with the Tea Partiers, the Tea Party

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Caucus in the Republican Party in the
House, who now now they're they've turned

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into the House Freedom Caucus. What
it was then and what it is now

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I do not agree as the same. Well now it's worse, but the

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but but there's a through line here. So in twenty eleven, what we

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saw was there were these and again
in the Senate, the Senate Republicans that

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no, they want, they don't
want anything to do with default. They

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understand. But in the House you
tend to see some really wacky people get

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elected, like Marjorie Taylor Green is
just a random example. So so in

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the House. What happened in twenty
elevenies. You had you had some of

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these tea party Republicans who not only
were they perfectly willing to as I think

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it was John Bayner once put it, not only were they willing to take

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the debt limit, did they decide
that that was a hostage worth taking in

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budget talks, but they some of
them actually wanted to default. I saw

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interviews with some of them on cable
news. Again, some of the less

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sophisticated ones, like I think that
guy ferrent Holds from Texas, for example,

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look up that guy on YouTube.
You'd be like, oh my god.

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Anyway, I think he was in
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I remember seeing him on the cable
news shows going yeah, you know,

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we just can't afford to keep spending
all this money. We should default.

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It's like, wow, you're out
of your minds um so uh. And

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I will tell you this. When
I was Gary's co host on Rock Paper

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hand Grenades at that time, we
had we had guests on the show who,

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some of them honestly, genuinely did
not seem to understand the difference between

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the debt limit and the federal budget
itself. That's exactly. That's exactly it

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right there, Like they genuinely didn't
know the difference, and trying to explain

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it to them was just like talking
to a wall. Now, be nice

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over here, because that was the
way I thought too. Yeah, buddy,

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I thought it was tied to the
federal budget. You said, bucko

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with a bee. I just want
to be clear, and so I don't

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get so somebody doesn't think you said
something else, that term of deal where

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there's a conversation and going on.
So it comes out because I'm used to

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my mom that way. Yeah,
right, But I honestly didn't think that

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it had something. I thought it
absolutely has something to do with the federal

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budget, and it doesn't. And
it doesn't. And I learned that when

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because when you say funding obligations,
when you say borrowing authorization, people think

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budgetary. They think when you're trying
to buy a new printer or something.

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They don't think social Security and Medicare
benefits, Medicare, you know, healthcare,

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military salaries. I never thought military
salaries were tied to it. I

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admit this. I have learned,
and I expanded my knowledge and now understand

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how this functions and what this does
and of course it goes up. There's

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more people still alive. You know, back in the Social security you know,

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it used to be a lot shorter
in life, so to speak.

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But there are a lot more people
living longer. So yes, there are

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more people. So it's a bigger
amount of social Security. It's a bigger

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military salaries, like you should hockey. Why do they want to cut that?

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It's just it's mind boggling. Republicans
claim to be all about military and

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all about our troops, but they're
having zero problems with not paying their paychecks.

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Meanwhile they're collecting theirs. Well,
there's there's plenty of blame to go

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around to. I have some things
to say about the Democrats as well in

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this but well we'll get to that
in a moment. But John, where

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I'm coming from though, Oh I
do. Yeah, Shannon is on the

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line. She probably wants to audition
for Peppermint Company. Hi, Shannon,

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she can't audition? What's up,
Shannon? Well, No, I had

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a band name idea mister Drizzle,
Misty Drizzle. That that sounds more like

408
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a a name for somebody who performs
in certain kinds of movies. Yes,

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performs a certain kind of movies,
movies. Okay, well I think it's

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the drizzle part that kind of throws
it in there. I don't know,

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and it's very very meteorological. It's
not drizzling today, pouring. It was.

412
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It was a little drizzle a little
while ago. It seemed. Is

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it pouring now? No, it
was, ok because let it hits my

414
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windows. I can't tell. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, yeah,

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no, I don't remember. Uh
So, the federal budget has nothing to

416
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do don't don't try to explain it
to me. But the federal budget doesn't

417
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,559
have anything to do with well,
the debts. So the federal budget is

418
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what we're spending. The debt ceiling
affects our ability to borrow to service that

419
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debt, the debt that we've already
run up, the money that we've already

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Uh right, So so if we
don't raise the debt limit on schedule and

421
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we go into default, then well, it's no different than if you default

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on a credit card or a loan
or something. No, I think it's

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worse than that. Well, it's
worse, but just give an example though,

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Yeah, well it just makes me
think of them. I don't know

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if it was twenty twenty or World
News tonight. But a long long time

426
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,279
ago, Diane Sawyer got a bunch
of fifth graders together, I think it

427
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:17,880
was Diane Sawyer got a bunch of
fifth graders together to um figure out the

428
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um the budget basically, in other
words, um, what am I trying

429
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:30,759
to say? The um? Oh? God, I know I can hear

430
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:39,279
people's eyes rolling. Stop. Don't
pick on your side just to the debt.

431
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,599
Get another words, do the budget? Make it work so we have

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00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,079
no debt and they did it well. Okay, So here's here's what I

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00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:52,480
now understand about how this works.
We're borrowing from the public. Essentially,

434
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you everybody people pay in payroll taxes, and that's the money that funds Social

435
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:02,519
Security, Medicare, UM, and
quite frankly, our military paychecks I believe

436
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:07,640
are funded the same way. So
we're basically borrowing from the public to pay

437
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,440
that bill. It's like a circle. People pay in, money comes out.

438
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,799
If there's no money coming in,
there's no money to pay out,

439
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,799
so there's no Medicare bills being paid, there's no Social Security checks being issued.

440
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:25,799
It's that isn't a coincidence that all
these banks are going bust? Uh?

441
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,960
That is a coincidence. That's got
that's got nothing to do with I

442
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,160
don't think that has anything to do
with the dest because then we go through

443
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,359
this all the time. Yeah,
that actually happens. People don't realize how

444
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,759
common bank failures are. Not that
it's a good thing, and this last

445
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,799
one was a big one. It's
not a good thing. But I don't

446
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,039
think there's any direct relationship between the
two. Well, I mean, you

447
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:51,720
know, it's it's up to the
media to you know, enlighten us on

448
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,720
things, you know, I mean, I have a show about it,

449
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,880
you know, Well, keep going
through the through it. There is there

450
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,400
are ways, you know, get
rid of Congress of NOUM. Put a

451
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,800
bunch of fifth graders in there and
they can get rid of the Yeah,

452
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,800
but they really mean what they'd say. They'd come to the table and say,

453
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,360
cut our salaries. We don't want
maymee to go without our groceries,

454
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:22,719
right, just saying all right,
Shannon, there should be an age limit

455
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,679
on them too. Yeah. Well
there's a lot of talk about that these

456
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,239
days. But yeah, yeah,
all right, Shannon, Well we appreciate

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00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,199
the call. Yeah, by take
care guys, all right, bye bye,

458
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,960
all right, Shannon leaves us.
That does open up a line for

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you six zo three two five six
seven six three two five six seven Oh

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00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,440
PEP Peppermint Company zero point five is
in the chat and says hello, they're

461
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,760
hashtag Matt and hashtag gen. We
say good afternoon from us, and we

462
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,880
are from Greensboro, North Carolina.
And also maybe Shannon will be co manager

463
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,280
and Matt, you can be a
producer for us. Wow, done us

464
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,599
to drag you guys into their thing
now. So the other thing that I

465
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:08,000
wanted to say, so this is
part of why I'm so particularly concerned,

466
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even more so than I was in
twenty eleven, is I'm worried that our

467
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:17,239
politics has become so polarized and so
broken that they're not going to be able

468
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,199
to pull this one out. Because
you have so you have the House Republicans

469
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,199
like the Freedom Caucus who basically owned
Kevin McCarthy because he had to how many

470
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000
votes did they take just to get
him speaker? So he had to kind

471
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of give away the store away everything. I don't think he's got much left

472
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as far as power is concerned.
So they passed they passed a bill to

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00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,840
raise the debt ceiling, which has
deep cuts that are unacceptable to the to

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00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,400
the Democrats, but that's probably the
best you're going to be able to get

475
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,880
out of the House as it currently
stands. And then on the other end,

476
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,000
so here's the thing. The Democrats
are going to have to come to

477
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:58,599
the table and the President's going to
have to come to the table and understand

478
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,119
their meeting on May ninth. But
there seems to be a precondition that they're

479
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:06,239
not gonna here's here's the problem.
So this is the way I see it.

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00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,440
So the Democrats and President Biden when
they say that there's Congress should just

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00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,239
pass a clean debt limit bill and
nothing should be tied to it. In

482
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:24,480
principle, they are in my view, absolutely correct in principle, but in

483
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:29,920
practice they're going to have to negotiate. And it's it's I understand, it's

484
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,800
it's going to be unpleasant, but
they're they're going to have to negotiate because

485
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,239
default simply is not an option.
The other thing, though, that I

486
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,320
want to slap the Democrats for,
is um they had a chance to avert

487
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,280
this and they didn't take it.
When they had control of both Houses of

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00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,760
Congress under Biden, they could have
raised the debt limit then, or better

489
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,880
yet, they could have moved Kirsten
Cinema And yeah, I understand, But

490
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,519
what they should have done then is
either raise the debt limit then so we

491
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:07,559
didn't have to do it now,
or just eliminate it. And they could.

492
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,760
They could eliminate the debt limit and
then we never have to go through

493
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,599
this again. And they didn't do
that, and they should have seen what

494
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:20,719
was coming down the pike. And
I understand they're Democrats, so you know,

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God forbid politicians, God forbid there's
any strategy or forethought uh involved in

496
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:36,800
anything. I mean, I mean, you know, uh, So there's

497
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,760
plenty of blame to go around,
and we should not be in this position

498
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,400
right now. There's there's plenty of
blame to go around, but we are.

499
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,639
But I'm worried about. Melanie says
in the chat room, spank those

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naughty Democrats. Do we stop a
woman? Well, you know, I

501
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,679
don't want to. I don't want
to actually spank any of them. That'd

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00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:59,440
be weird. Yea. Um,
but uh, Melanie said, I formally

503
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,119
request you say spank instead of slap. Oh okay, Oh I don't.

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00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,199
I don't. I don't believe in
spanking. I don't changing the word,

505
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,559
and it's getting worse as she got. I don't believe in corporal punishment.

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00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:15,639
I was never spanked growing up,
as my dad will attest and hum.

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So, Uh, but I'm very
uh, I am very concerned. Uh.

508
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:25,000
Now, the other thing that we
should look at is uh, and

509
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,000
you had sent me an article from
Uh, yep, we need to talk

510
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:34,760
about that. From Reuters, an
explainer could Biden avert a debt default by

511
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using the fourteenth Amendment. Now here's
the thing, and I remember this coming

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up in twenty eleven as well,
and Tim Geidner, who was working for

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00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,159
the Obama administration at the time when
he was Treasury Secretary, he said,

514
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look, uh, it's unconstitutional.
We can't. I think his position was

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,039
it didn't matter what Congress did because
default isn't an option anyway. It is

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unconstitutional to default according to the fourteenth
Amendment. But then, because we've never

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00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,079
been in the position before of anyone
having to invoke it, there's a lot

518
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,639
of hand ringing and uncertainty about how
exactly this would work. So we'll look

519
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,760
at this again. This is an
explainer from Reuters. It says here and

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this just went up Today, the
divided US Congress is running out of time

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to raise a federal government's thirty one
point four trillion dollar debt ceiling, with

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the Treasury Department warning it could be
unable to pay its bills as soon as

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June first if Congress fails to act. Some legal experts say Democratic President Joe

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00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,360
Biden has another option to avert a
crisis, invoke the Fourteenth Amendment to the

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US Constitution to ensure the United States
can continue to pay its bills. Section

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four of the Fourteenth Amendment, adopted
after the Civil War, states that the

527
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quote validity of the public debt of
the United States shall not be questioned une

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Historians say that aimed to ensure the
federal government would not repudiate its debts,

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as some former Confederate states had done, but the clause has been largely unaddressed

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by the courts, and legal experts
disagree. Say the quote least unconstitutional unquote

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00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,920
option would be Forbiden to act on
his own to protect the integrity of the

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00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,039
national debt. He said, quote
that would mean borrowing money unquote. Any

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00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:27,159
action by Biden would surely prompt a
lawsuit. Who could sue over the debt

534
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,119
ceiling, it's not clear who could
bring a case. It could be difficult

535
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for any plaintiff to prove they had
been harmed by the action, a legal

536
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concept known as standing. The US
Supreme Court ruled in nineteen ninety seven that

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individual lawmakers do not have standing to
file such lawsuits, but Congress could potentially

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vote to say that it had been
collectively harmed. Oh god, But when

539
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,960
you look at that sentence, that
constitutional sentence, what's that says to me

540
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is that the idea was that the
government shall never default on paying the public

541
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what it owes, what it took
out of the public's paychecks and promised to

542
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give. That's how I read that
sentence in a lazo. You know,

543
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I'm no expert or anything, but
to me, that's what it's the government

544
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saying, in response to what happened
with the Confederacy, that our government will

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never take from the public and not
meet the obligations that we promised. I'm

546
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,840
sorry, I'm having a voice issue. Yeah, that's okay, Yes,

547
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,880
that's here. The High Court could
also opt to hear a challenge and the

548
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interest of quickly resolving the issue,
as they have done with Biden's move to

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cancel four hundred and thirty billion dollars
in student debt. That scares me.

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Any case would be an uncharted legal
territory. The Supreme Court has ruled on

551
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,239
the public debt clause only once,
in a nineteen thirty five challenge to Democratic

552
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,119
President Franklin Roosevelt's decision to take the
United States off the gold Standard. The

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00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:07,400
Court ruled that the plaintiff, a
bondholder, did not have standing to file

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the case. Biden and Congress,
meanwhile, would be under tremendous pressure to

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resolve the issue quickly, meaning any
case might be irrelevant before it reaches the

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00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,840
court. Where does the White House
stand on the fourteenth Amendment? The last

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00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,000
time this was a front burner issue
in Washington in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen.

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00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,280
Prominent Democrats like former President Bill Clinton
then urged President Barack Obama to invoke

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the fourteenth Amendment, but White House
aids said they did not believe they had

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the legal authority to do so.
Yellen said in twenty twenty one that invoking

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the fourteenth Amendment was not an option, and some of those former Obama aids,

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like Jeans Sperling, now work in
Biden's White House. A White House

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00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:58,920
spokesperson did not respond to a request
for comments. How would markets react if

564
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,760
Biden uses the fourteen? Administration officials
and economists have warned that a default triggered

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00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,320
by a debt ceiling breach would royal
the world financial system and plunge the United

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00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:14,480
States into recession. The immediate catastrophe
might be avoided if Biden invoked the fourteenth,

567
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but investors, nevertheless could be spooked
by the drama and demand higher interest

568
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:25,320
rates to reflect the increased risk while
the illegal issues played out. Mark Zandi,

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00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,719
chief economist at Moody's Analytics, said, quote, that's a pretty significant

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00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,519
gamble on the part of the president, but that's probably his best option if

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you get into that scenario. Ute. So, in other words, if

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we get to a point where we're
at that point, then if he has

573
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no other option, then he has
to go ahead and do that, I

574
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,760
guess. And that puts us in
the realm of who has the position,

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00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,719
who has the ability to be a
plaintiff to take it to the Supreme Court.

576
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Somebody has to have who has the
right you know what I mean?

577
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,079
Who gets to file it? Is
it Congress? Do they have the right

578
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,559
I guess does it in you know
what I mean? I don't, I

579
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:10,119
don't know. I guess Congress would
would in theory do that. Um,

580
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,519
it would be fascinating to see this
all play out legally, not that I

581
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,159
wanted to happen. I don't want
to find out what. I don't want

582
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:21,559
to find out what the consequences of
this are. It would be fascinating,

583
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:28,000
but it would also be horrible.
Um. Yeah, I don't know exactly

584
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,199
how that would work, but I
guess Congress in terms of standing, and

585
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,039
listen, I'm no legal expert of
any kind, but I so I speak

586
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,239
only as a layman, But I
guess in terms of standing, Congress if

587
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,880
they were to make that argument,
would say, well, we're the ones

588
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,360
who vote on this, and we
did not authorize this with our vote,

589
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,199
therefore you can't do this. It
would It would probably be as simple as

590
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,239
that. But do you get us? Do you have to have a simple

591
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,119
majority to file or you know what
I mean? What kind of a vote

592
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:02,599
does it require in order for Congress
to be the plaintiff? Yeah? Collectively?

593
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Um, yeah, I don't know. And as far as standing goes,

594
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,159
I guess, I mean, there's
probably a taxpayers group somewhere that thinks

595
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:15,599
we should default. That might follow
a lawsuit, but I'm sure that's been

596
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,920
done and tried before. That would
end up in the Supreme Court. I

597
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,119
don't know what I mean, and
I don't know, and I don't want

598
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:25,840
to find out. Yeah, I
hope we don't have to find out,

599
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,599
but I'm very concerned. Should be, I am, Um, I don't

600
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:35,199
know, because I don't know what
the off ramp is here. They have

601
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,079
very little time to do this.
Again, we haven't until June first.

602
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I mean, we've technically already blown
through the debt ceiling, but we're now

603
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:49,519
right now the fat is using what
they call extraordinary measures to keep things going.

604
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But the extraordinary measures it is what
will actually be exhausted by June first,

605
00:45:54,440 --> 00:46:00,119
and that if that happens though,
and this affects Medicare, So does

606
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,679
that mean somebody who's scheduled for surgery
gets canceled? Who knows? You know

607
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,840
what I'm saying. Probably that's where
my brain alba. It would be catastrophic.

608
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:16,239
It's catastrophic, oh boy. But
um, hopefully we will not get

609
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:24,039
there. Hopefully these guys will do
something smart. Yeah, yeah, um,

610
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,960
Moody's Analytics, by the way,
also says that the bill that the

611
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:36,719
that the House passed would actually eliminate
a lot of jobs. It wouldn't be

612
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,440
as damaging as a debt default,
but it would still cost the economy a

613
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,800
lot of jobs and would be damaging. UM. But in theory, see

614
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:51,400
this is this is the thing that
worries me too with this is so you

615
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:58,079
have the bill that the House passed, UM that you know enough House Freedom

616
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,559
Caucus members, I guess we're willing
to go along with which has very deep

617
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:07,000
cuts. In theory, that should
be a starting point for any negotiation.

618
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,960
But what I'm worried about is it's
not that it's not really a starting point.

619
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,199
In other words, a starting point
is cutting food stand wetting medicare.

620
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Well. What I was going to
say, though, is I'm worried that

621
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,079
what would normally be the starting point
in a negotiation like this is not the

622
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:27,480
starting point. It's the it's already
the end point. Like in other words,

623
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,440
that these House members who were willing
to go along with this, some

624
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,599
of them who would probably rather just
default again, you know, the House

625
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:39,800
Freedom Caucus whackados who would rather just
default. This was probably the best that

626
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,679
they were willing to give Kevin McCarthy
to work with, and there might not

627
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,360
be any room for negotiating in their
minds. And and if he goes and

628
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,800
he negotiates something with Biden, and
Biden does give in on some things,

629
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,039
which again, from a principled standpoint, Biden is correct. But from a

630
00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:00,000
practical standpoint, he's going to have
to negotiate. It's it's going to be

631
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:07,239
necessary their paychecks on the chopping block
Congress to take a cut for themselves.

632
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,800
But I mean, you know,
I'm just I'm fed up with them.

633
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,119
Oh we gotta cut Social Security,
we gotta cut Medicare. But it's never

634
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,119
them, No, it's never their
checks. It's never their healthcare. They

635
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,719
won't go without a surgery, they
won't go without a pacemaker, right.

636
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:29,239
You know, it's granddad down the
street that served you know how many tours

637
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,679
in Vietnam that's not going to get
the access to their care, their healthcare,

638
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,320
or you know, it's it's your
teacher of sixty years that paid in

639
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:44,360
all this time and now they're not
going to get care their doctors. I

640
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,400
mean, if you defund Medicare,
that's what happens there's no money to pay

641
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,360
the doctors, no money to pay
the hospitals, the surgical suites. If

642
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,960
there's no money to pay the bills, then they get canceled. Melanie said,

643
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,480
in the chat room and spankings,
who's with me? The problem?

644
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:04,280
They see the problems anywhere. The
problem there, Melanie or and I wouldn't

645
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,760
necessarily have to be a spanking.
Maybe a paddle. That's what they used

646
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,559
to do at Saint John's when I
went to Catholic school. No, no,

647
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,119
But what I was going to just
bring up, just as a counterpoint

648
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,599
to what Melanie is suggesting, The
problem is some of these people are very

649
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,840
old and if you spank them,
their bones might just disintegrate. Like if

650
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,840
you were to if you were to
spank this is a real thing. Yeah,

651
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,079
like uh yeah, you know,
if you if you were to spank

652
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:30,280
somebody, like if you were to
spank Diane Feinstein, She's not going to

653
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,679
survive that, you know what I
mean? Um, not that she shows

654
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,599
up for work anyway, but you
know what I'm saying, Yes, so

655
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,239
I've keep this in mind. Yes, uh, maybe maybe a whack on

656
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,360
the wrist, but certainly well no, again, I don't believe in I

657
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,480
don't believe in corporal punishment. But
uh but some of these some of these

658
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,760
people could be drawn, quartered,
drawn and quartered. Hmmm, I could

659
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,840
get with that. Melanie says,
I'm so very glad you are. I'm

660
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,760
very glad you are exploring the spanking
option. Well, I mean it's worth

661
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,440
exploring. Look, we got to
put it all on the table here.

662
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,280
We're facing economic armageddon. I'm just
saying that I do have some concerns.

663
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,360
If they're so dang serious about cuts, then they ought to start in their

664
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:19,199
own house. M Hard to argue
with that. Well, I know that.

665
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,159
Oh Rick Smith just joined us in
the Facebook live chat. Rick says,

666
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:27,360
don't you don't you not want children? That's another good reason not to

667
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,760
have them, to worry about spanking. That's a great point, Rick,

668
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,400
that's a great point. It is
true. I don't want children. I

669
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,159
never wanted children, and uh so
I know, and that is a reason

670
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,119
love. I love my child,
I love my children. I adopt people.

671
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,679
Did you ever did you ever spank
your ass? On? He did

672
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,440
get a spanking? That did happen? One? He must have done something

673
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,599
really bad he did, and his
father decided to give him a choice.

674
00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:00,320
Yeah, and it was fully clothed, hand patting on the back, the

675
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:07,360
bomb three times, or a week
of um uh grounding. Yeah, and

676
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,280
that was what he chose, And
that was to have it to do over

677
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,800
again. At this point in my
life, the things that I've learned,

678
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,559
I would not have allowed it,
right, But for the most part with

679
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,840
him, no, it was you're
grounded or yeah, at worst, the

680
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,000
electronics came out of the bedroom and
got put in the closet until you earned

681
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:27,559
them back. Yeah. Was more
about you know, you can you could

682
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:31,599
always read. Reading and listening to
music was always allowed. Um Melanie says,

683
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,760
just for the record, I'm only
pro adult spanking. You see,

684
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,480
I'm against the whole spanking idea.
Now, well, some people, you

685
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,039
know people will I am. I. I generally think it's a bad idea

686
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:46,679
because you don't want to teach your
kid that conflict. You don't want to

687
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:52,960
teach that conflict resolution through violence.
However, I do. I've always said

688
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,039
it again, I have the luxury
is beaten. I have the luxury of

689
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:59,519
saying this without ever having children.
The one thing that I have heard parents

690
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:04,280
who who who have spanked their kids
say is and I call it. I

691
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719
have my own term for it.
I call it the hot stove argument.

692
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:08,599
And it's kind of a last resort
kind of thing. But say you know,

693
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,920
you're you know, your kid keeps
trying to touch the hot stove while

694
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,719
you're making dinner, and you keep
saying, don't do that, don't do

695
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,480
that, You're gonna get hurt,
and they just won't listen to you.

696
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,719
So you gotta give them a little
whack on the fanny because for their own

697
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,480
good, so they don't hurt themselves. I call it the hot stove argument.

698
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:27,360
I accept that, I you know, as a last resort, but

699
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,599
a last resort you don't want to
Other than that, you don't want to

700
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,199
be hitting your kid if you if
you can possibly help it. True.

701
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,800
True, I had different I had. I mean I was a young parent.

702
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,000
I was in my twenties. I
grew up with absolute beatings for the

703
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,920
first thirteen years of my life,
so I was never one to raise a

704
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,079
hand. It was always more about, you know, there's a better way

705
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,840
to deal with this. We can
You know, you're not going to have

706
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,960
you video games or something like that, but you're to speak to your point.

707
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:59,440
Yeah, when the butterknife was going
in the electrical socket. A little

708
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,239
smack on my hand at the time
seemed a heck of a lot better because

709
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,760
saying no wasn't working, and I
didn't want him to get electrocuted and kill

710
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,360
himself. Yeah, I will.
That did happen, exactly did happen.

711
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,880
I'm sure there's a better way.
Somebody can tell me how to deal with

712
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,840
it. Now. No, I
get a time that that was what I

713
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,320
thought was good parenting. To be
honest, I didn't want him to get

714
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,760
electrocuted and die, right right,
I think that's reasonable. Wasn't working,

715
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,440
all right? I saw your message
that our guests is here and we are

716
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,599
approaching the top of the hour.
So what we'll do is we'll play a

717
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,079
song one of our one of the
studio tracks from our guests, and then

718
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,840
we'll we'll bring him in. We'll
show some love to our sponsors, and

719
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,840
then we'll bring him in and bring
him on. He's gonna play live for

720
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,199
us in studio looking forward that we
will find out if it is Abner two

721
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,760
or Abner the second I say two, I say a second. We shall

722
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,159
see, we shall see. But
this is one of his songs, the

723
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,400
opening song today was called Keep Closed, one of his tracks. We're gonna

724
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,159
play this other studio track, this
is called the Audrey It burns, and

725
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,480
we will be back. There is
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726
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748
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,800
It's Matt Connerton unleashed and we are
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749
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,960
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750
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,159
Also on Comcast ninety seven if you're
in Manchester, and hello to all

751
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,400
of our online listeners across the nation
and around the globe. You can go

752
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,480
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for all your live streaming options, social

753
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,239
media links, contact info, show
archives, etcetera, etcetera. And Jenny

754
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,320
is here as well at the newsdesk, present and accounted for. And we

755
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,719
have a very special guest with us. Let me bring that mic up.

756
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,320
So Zach from Abner the Second is
here. Hello, sir, Hi,

757
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,239
how are you now? Good?
Good? Good? And uh he is

758
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,800
gonna play live for us, and
let me bring up them the other Uh,

759
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,760
we're kind of gonna live sound check
on the air here. How's that

760
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,599
sound little Moriam? Perfect? Thank
you? Okay? Cool? Cool,

761
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,440
all right? So, uh he's
gonna play live for us. I'm gonna

762
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,599
do some songs and then afterward we'll
we'll chat a little bit and get to

763
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,880
know him. But this is really
cool. Uh, this is uh a

764
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,159
very Let me put the wide shot
on there so you can see the full

765
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,639
set up. He's got his petals
and his viola. Am I saying that

766
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:22,320
correctly? Yea? So this is
uh, this is awesome. So I

767
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,800
will I will go ahead and give
you the floor if you want to.

768
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,559
You can introduce the songs or however
you want to do it. And I

769
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,719
just can't wait to hear you.
Very cool. This song is called Dover.

770
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:54,000
You don't think that he's scudding easier, but if anything, we would

771
00:57:54,039 --> 00:58:08,320
say he's scudding better. And I
wrote a song about you, and learn

772
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:37,320
the age old lesson, think of
it singing tune, and we how the

773
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:47,239
coast is good for you, and
just snow snow, think of you,

774
00:58:51,920 --> 00:59:02,119
and how I wanna thank you for
teaching the age old lesson. Think of

775
00:59:02,199 --> 01:00:06,639
them singing the mic and singing tu. You don't think it's gotting easier?

776
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:15,000
Body a funny thing. We would
say it's getting better. And I wrote

777
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:40,599
a song about you and learn the
age old lessons our kids singing tune,

778
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:52,480
and we hope the coast is good
for you. And she saw stealth and

779
01:00:52,679 --> 01:01:25,559
got you. And how you we
have if you're just joining us. Zach

780
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:30,000
from Abner the second is here with
us in the studio and he's got a

781
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,159
whole he's got a whole set up
here. Well, we'll talk to him

782
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:37,679
about it afterwards. Very interested to
learn more, and how we uh we

783
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,440
figured how we figured out how to
do all this. It's it's remarkable but

784
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:45,719
different pedal Yeah oh yeah, yeah
yeah. Very kind of you saying thank

785
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,440
you again for having me. I'm
very very happy, all right, listen

786
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,519
to your show of you now and
again it's very nice of you to a

787
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,039
very nice of you to uh to
have you here. Very cool. Alrighty.

788
01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:00,880
So these next two songs they go
back to back um. They're called

789
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:07,400
Fireplace and Keep Closed, and they're
the actually the opening two songs off of

790
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,320
the album that I have coming out
called The Audrey Burns, which is out

791
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:16,079
May fifteenth. And if you go
to au instagram dot com slash Abner Underscore

792
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:21,239
II, there's a precidelink there,
so make sure you do that anyway.

793
01:02:21,719 --> 01:03:17,440
All right, here's a couple more. I've been running in all the fumes

794
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:29,719
help you and DoD just came wander
and I've been thinking less how y'all live

795
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:43,320
in a firefly spread n mafoon And
when is screening, you're all reading and

796
01:03:43,440 --> 01:05:21,199
I'm she's southside for you, I
guess face down on the bird glasses in

797
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:28,639
one hand, in your eyes in
the other. It's the smoke comes in

798
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:54,400
through a window. The shoes said, we should keep close. Shake the

799
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:02,400
thoughts is shaving my head in painting
the ceiling with thoughts of you and I

800
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:15,679
ever existing, because it's a man
it better of meaning, because it's so

801
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:53,119
good. I man it better a
meaning. Nothing works righting in your head.

802
01:06:54,400 --> 01:07:02,400
You've been left so so I bother
what the full rolling through a window

803
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:14,239
the church says, you should keep
close, You should keep close, You

804
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:20,800
should keep closed, you should keep
close. Shit the thoughts is shoathing my

805
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:32,280
head and painting the ceiling with thoughts
of you and I ever existing. He

806
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:43,239
says, ah many better of meaning. He says, so good A man

807
01:07:43,440 --> 01:09:33,800
it better of meaning? No hope, no, thank you. Wow,

808
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:45,840
beautiful, beautiful, gorgeous. You
know I always enjoyed rainy days really thinking

809
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,560
about that. You know, as
I was playing, I was like,

810
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:56,520
this is just fitting. Rainy days
make me drowsy days, and mondays always

811
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,279
get me down. Yeah, I
like, I like the sunshine. If

812
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:05,279
you're just joining us, we have
Zach from Abner the Second here in studio,

813
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,880
and uh, this is uh,
this is great. Really enjoying this

814
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,680
a lot. You have such an
incredible setup he has for for for our

815
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,880
listeners out there is this beautiful viola
electric viola plugged into about six different petals

816
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:27,359
into an amp, and I'm just
fascinated watching him work these pedals and and

817
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:32,199
different switches and dials, and it's
just amazing what you're able to produce all

818
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:36,840
by yourself. It sounds like there's
a lot more going on. It's just

819
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,720
one person. It's absolutely awesome,
awesome. That's very kind to you to

820
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,199
say, thank you, absolutely,
thank you're again for having me. Yeah,

821
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:50,039
yeah, alright, so I have
a I have a few more tubes.

822
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:59,880
Okay, Yeah. My instrument they
stopped developing it in the thirteen hundred,

823
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:04,159
so it doesn't respond well to anything
such as a room or someone breathing,

824
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:14,319
so we're doing all the things.
Alata tuning. All right. This

825
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,800
is the title track off of my
album The Audrea Burns. The song is

826
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:31,760
called The Audrea Burns. All Right, you're ruler now and you know that

827
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:41,039
this is probably won't and well the
Audea of losing it in the concept You're

828
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:47,039
gonna quit again, it's the forest
and nicotine, a haunted house of and

829
01:11:47,119 --> 01:12:06,079
Feta means and the audea your quote
alone, You're alone you're alone and on

830
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:27,720
your own. You could tell me
shut my pormout when I'm talking to somebody

831
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:36,840
other than me. Alone, we
go to bed and most nights angry or

832
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:58,479
at leasting now the version something other
than I'll be you're alone alone. But

833
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:09,079
I guess you know this so well
well in the art losing sleep, in

834
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:23,399
the concept you want to leave.
We don't have it, and if we

835
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:35,239
did, we'd break it again.
We don't have it, and if we

836
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:41,279
did, we'd break it again.
You long for a place you don't know,

837
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:47,800
and the time that doesn't exist,
with thoughts that you won't grow when

838
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:58,479
you were less alone. The argery
it burns. The argery burns, the

839
01:13:58,720 --> 01:15:14,800
ardry burns off the dry b All
right, thank you, very cool.

840
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,600
That's the uh so that's also the
title of the album that's coming out,

841
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,279
yeah, Adrea Burns. Yeah,
coming out May fifteenth, reported here in

842
01:15:21,359 --> 01:15:26,920
Manchester. Excellent, excellent. Where
where did you record it? I recorded

843
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,720
it at a Blastulis Studios in Manchester, New Hampshire. Okay, yep,

844
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,640
which was which is very nice.
Yeah, my friend Evi Narma did it.

845
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,800
Oh, very good. Yeah.
The studio tracks we've been playing sound

846
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,000
great. Yeah, thank you so
much, very kind of you saying thank

847
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,279
if you're playing them, absolutely,
We have a we have a name in

848
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:47,560
the chart room I haven't seen before. I wonder if it's a fan of

849
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:53,880
yours. Larry Thomas, Larry Thomas. Not familiar, No, not familiar,

850
01:15:53,920 --> 01:16:01,119
but I'm really terrible with me.
Well hello, Larry faces Larry m

851
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,520
all right, if you're just joining
us, we have Zach from Abner the

852
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:15,359
second here in studio. Alrighty,
so, speaking of Yarmo, this next

853
01:16:15,359 --> 01:17:09,039
song is actually called Yarmo. Excellent. Did I forget to tell you?

854
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:36,640
We you'll see every night for sleep? Just speak, just speak to me,

855
01:17:48,199 --> 01:18:24,079
just be to me. Please.
There's so shining and locking doors,

856
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:47,319
blocking numbers and none wanting more.
Your face through and this your gold inears

857
01:18:47,680 --> 01:19:06,000
slitout, you face through something other
than happy, something other than happy,

858
01:19:10,880 --> 01:22:10,119
something other than happy, something other
than happy, something other than wow,

859
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:15,039
it's beautiful. That was awesome,
Thank you, thank you very much.

860
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:20,720
Just fascinated getting to watch you play
is just amazing. I'm just fascinated watching

861
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:27,279
you strum the viola and yeah,
yeah, I mean wow, are you

862
01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:30,960
using a pick? No? Just
is the way you were holding your fingers.

863
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,800
It almost looked like they were like
a pick. Yeah yeah, no,

864
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:38,640
just just the old the old finger, very small hands. That doesn't

865
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:44,199
reflect my masculinity, right, it's
gonna gonna clarify that. Yes, yes,

866
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:51,960
strong masculine size. Oh yeah,
that's right, that I have mistaken.

867
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,079
Very cool. All right, So
I have a couple more tunes.

868
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:59,239
These two go back to back as
well. Okay, yeah, she's the

869
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:06,439
last two songs off the album.
It's called a Aliened seven. All right.

870
01:23:09,000 --> 01:24:50,319
This is Abner the second with us
in studio over the bridging con again,

871
01:24:51,760 --> 01:25:00,479
while the other it's of Town down
Street from with my Heart earn You

872
01:25:01,279 --> 01:25:11,840
to Live. I hope the comfort
don't kill what it is that you said

873
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:21,720
you believed in. I'm in the
alle for you because what else can I

874
01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:47,520
do? I think I'm freaking out
again, But this is my It's where

875
01:25:47,560 --> 01:26:03,319
I talk to myself. Mister Green, would you ask these spidy folks to

876
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:38,399
leave m crow up and let them
win? It's a tale told twy he's

877
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:48,399
written down and then forgot it again. I'm sorry, mom for the life

878
01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:56,640
about it. I'm living all right. You some happy songs, you'll love

879
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:25,199
them, but this is my it's
where I talk to my self, this

880
01:27:25,439 --> 01:28:29,760
screen to as fine to leave.
There you go again, acting like the

881
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:40,680
top of man. You know you're
not nothing sets in. Just give it

882
01:28:40,880 --> 01:29:25,640
time and you'll be back on your
knees again and I'll love it. There

883
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:36,600
you go again, acting like the
top man. You know you're not enough

884
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:45,079
things said, Just give it time
and you'll be back on your knees again,

885
01:29:45,119 --> 01:31:27,800
and they love it. But the
Sun its song smity so miss Chili,

886
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:46,159
thank you, Wow Wow's let's two
songs off the album. Yeah,

887
01:31:46,279 --> 01:31:48,720
okay, yeah, going out,
try to go out with the bag.

888
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,560
Those are two of the Those are
two of the earlier songs I wrote,

889
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,239
you know, and I'm not sure
if either of you are news buffs or

890
01:31:56,279 --> 01:31:59,880
not, but oh yes, everybody
the past couple of years spent a lot

891
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:08,720
of time inside. Yeah that was
you know, I was kind, but

892
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,279
yeah that was. Those are Those
were the last two songs on the album,

893
01:32:11,319 --> 01:32:14,960
but they were like the first two
I wrote you know a while ago

894
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:18,840
and went in that direction. So, oh fantastic. What you did well,

895
01:32:19,319 --> 01:32:24,199
Just a curiosity question what you just
said. Was it during the pandemic

896
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:26,760
that you learned to do this or
was this something you were already doing.

897
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,319
Befried to it. Um, So
I play, um, I play strings

898
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,920
in a band called a Happy just
to see you. That's like my like

899
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:38,079
main project that like I really spent
a lot of time on and you know

900
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,039
creatively where I try to spend a
lot of time with, you know,

901
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:45,319
cello, violin viola. And then, um, what ended up happening was

902
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,520
his my front man got hit by
a car and he was just kind of

903
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,039
laid up in bed for a year. So then I was kind of left

904
01:32:51,039 --> 01:32:55,159
to my own devices, and that's
when I started to kind of do this

905
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,119
and you know, and then it
just kind of spiraled off into me,

906
01:32:58,399 --> 01:33:00,680
you know, doing this and then
I bring what I do here and too

907
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,840
happy just to see you and yeah, so that's how I started to do

908
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:09,560
it. Yeah, so it's amazing, Zach. Did you want to get

909
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,239
did you want to have a seat
and get comfortable? Yeah, very cool.

910
01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:15,319
Yeah, we better have my back
to you. Well that's okay,

911
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,720
Yeah, well we we'll talk for
a few minutes. We were actually um,

912
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,600
yeah, we got about ten minutes
left in the show. But I

913
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,760
do, uh, like I said, you know, very interested in what

914
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,279
you're doing at such a unique project. And yeah, you can just go

915
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:29,119
ahead and here, I'll meet the
mic while you while you adjust. Absolutely,

916
01:33:29,119 --> 01:33:32,159
and for people that are interested,
you can definitely find Abner the Second

917
01:33:32,199 --> 01:33:39,199
on Instagram. That is a B
N E R underscore I I and I

918
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:43,000
am dropping those links into the chat
room. Excellent, excellent. Yeah,

919
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,840
where does the name come from?
Abner the Second? Um, it's a

920
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:50,439
homage to uh uh, there's a
cartoon called Hey Arnold. Oh yeah,

921
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:55,199
he had a pig name Abner.
I thought having a pet papers really cool.

922
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,640
Yeah, so then I was just
gonna be Abner. And then I

923
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,000
thought, oh, you know Abnor
the Second. You know, yeah,

924
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:02,199
pig. Yeah yeah. So so
tell me a little bit about it.

925
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:05,960
I mean, to learn to do
to do this? The way you're doing

926
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,640
it is it um. And I've
seen other artists who looping and stuff.

927
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,720
But I mean it looks so somebody
like me, like, I'm a simple

928
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,520
bass player. I you know,
I used to play the rock. Well

929
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:21,039
I appreciate that, but I mean, so to me, what you're doing

930
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:27,880
looks incredibly overwhelming. Oh yeah,
it's um, it's a it was baby

931
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,720
steps, you know, to to
kind of sort of learn to do everything.

932
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,159
Yeah, it was um for for
for the album that I just did

933
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:40,079
like everything I tried to make it
so I kept like the organic relationship with

934
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:44,880
the instrument and then bring kind of
parts I wrote you know at home or

935
01:34:45,039 --> 01:34:48,520
laying in bed or whatever it is, into in front of technology and stuff

936
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,760
along those lines. So it was
all about kind of piecing it together.

937
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,439
Yeah, baby steps though, yeah, one looper at a time. Yeah.

938
01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:00,720
Um. And when you when you
play out a lot? Are you,

939
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,720
um do well? Do you do
a lot of shows? Are you

940
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,119
playing out a lot of Yeah?
I try to play out as much as

941
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:09,359
I can. Um. Yeah,
I've had a handful of shows. Most

942
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:13,319
of them have been like basement venues. Yeah you know their locations are but

943
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,640
yeah right yeah, I know.
But the um yeah, it's I try

944
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,000
to play out, you know,
as much as I can. Um.

945
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:24,279
And like ever since COVID my uh
you know, for lack of better words,

946
01:35:24,319 --> 01:35:26,800
like Little Black Book of like promoters
and stuff to reach out to,

947
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,239
it's kind of dried up. Everybody
kind of changed and something else. So

948
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,159
I'm trying to figure out who to
contact for shows and stuff. And um,

949
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:35,720
the album came out later than I
wanted to so I didn't really have

950
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,920
a whole lot to send to promoters, gotcha, But but I do.

951
01:35:40,039 --> 01:35:42,640
I do enjoy playing out live.
Yeah, yeah, and I do this,

952
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,600
and I have a keys player and
a drummer and stuff along those lines

953
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,359
that I use. Oh cool,
yeah, oh okay, yeah, but

954
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,199
it's cool that you have the option
to do it by yourself if you have

955
01:35:51,239 --> 01:35:54,640
to, you know. Yeah,
that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's very

956
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,720
nice. Yeah yeah what what what? What band you play in? Oh?

957
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,399
I don't play in any bands anymore. I used to. I used

958
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:01,880
to been a million different bands.
Yea, yeah, yeah, bas is

959
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:08,640
cool though, yeah. Yeah.
Um, and the album is out yeah

960
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,239
May fifteenth, Yeah, yeah,
May fifteenth. Yeah, it's gonna be

961
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:13,359
out. Very excited, you know, put a lot of work into it,

962
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,000
you know. Yeah. Yeah.
Scheme of things. Now, is

963
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,720
it just you on the album or
do you have other musics? I have?

964
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,239
I have multiple other musicians or yeah, I have. Um Evan ben

965
01:36:21,279 --> 01:36:25,199
Wall he did some guitar and vocals
for me. He's also in the band

966
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,800
Happy Just to See You, okay, And then Evan Yarmo he was my

967
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,479
you know, quasi writing partner is
the best way to describe it, you

968
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,840
know, call the extra the bells
and the synths and all the extra instrumentation.

969
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:39,239
A lot of it went to him. Yeah, and then I had

970
01:36:39,239 --> 01:36:44,079
my friend Ty who's in the band
five Feet. He did drums for me

971
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,079
at Black Lodge Audio. I think
that's what they call you, a Black

972
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:51,640
Lodge Audio candy, okay, where
we recorded drums with a man named Andrew

973
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,960
Johnson. So yeah, now I
was happy just to see you still active

974
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,359
as well. Oh yeah, just
to see us. Yeah, yeah,

975
01:36:58,359 --> 01:37:00,079
we're still kicking. Yeah, they're
both. Yeah, both are. It's

976
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:02,920
apples and oranges. I hold both
very close, you know, near and

977
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,720
dear to my heart. So yeah, and we have an album coming out

978
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,680
too. You know, we have
a we have a call. I think

979
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,279
somebody has a might have a question
of some feedback for you. Hello,

980
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:16,199
welcome to the show. Who's this, Hey, Maddie. It's Gary.

981
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,760
Hey Gary. We're almost out of
time, so we gotta be playing.

982
01:37:20,079 --> 01:37:26,479
Hey sweetie, what's up? Gary? Hey? Um? The music that

983
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:31,720
you were playing your your abner too? Um? Do you play like Ashley

984
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:39,720
McIsaac actual? Actually you know who
as? Oh no, no, I

985
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:45,239
have no idea he was um,
Um he plays he plays violin and he

986
01:37:45,279 --> 01:37:51,359
plays really um what people would call
odd things like what you do very good.

987
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:58,800
And I've known him when when I
was younger, and his stuff is

988
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:04,039
really good, very cool and just
like Jacques Lupante. Uh, he's another

989
01:38:04,119 --> 01:38:10,880
violinist and they were playing you know, they play rock music and they play

990
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,399
things like that. But Ashley McIsaac
is very good. Ye, his aren't

991
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:24,680
is um she's um. She did
another she's a violinists um who plays all

992
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:30,199
over the place, and but um, Ashley McIsaac is really he's amazing,

993
01:38:30,119 --> 01:38:33,239
awesome. Yeah, I'll have to
have to check him out. He's a

994
01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:38,680
Canadian. Book him up. He's
really his stuff is really really good.

995
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:45,880
He had one song. I have
a couple of his CDs and it's UM,

996
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:47,000
good day, how are you or
whatever? It is one of the

997
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:51,840
songs. And he's been playing since
he was a young kid. He's probably

998
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,199
old now. But um, yeah, the stuff that you're playing is just

999
01:38:57,239 --> 01:39:00,039
like what he plays. Nice,
what he played, very cool and it's

1000
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:04,119
amazing. Yeah, it's it's just
really great stuff, you know. And

1001
01:39:05,239 --> 01:39:09,560
I love I love the diversity and
music like that, and I love what

1002
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:15,359
people can do with um with the
so of you know, people will say,

1003
01:39:15,399 --> 01:39:17,600
oh, why you pay you play
fiddle. It's like, no,

1004
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:23,319
I don't play fiddle. I'm not
a country I'm not a country tiddler.

1005
01:39:24,079 --> 01:39:27,000
All right. You know I'm playing. I'm playing like a like a classical

1006
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:31,359
rock type what you're playing, and
it's it's excellent. I enjoyed it.

1007
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,319
Cool, cool, all right,
Gary. We are short on time,

1008
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:38,039
my friends, but I appreciate the
call. I know you're running out of

1009
01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:42,000
time, Maddie. Ye a right, Garrett. I love you both,

1010
01:39:42,079 --> 01:39:46,960
and I just want to tell you
I'm celebrating a an anniversary one month in

1011
01:39:47,039 --> 01:39:53,640
my new palatial apartment here, so
congratulations, congratulate. Yeah, I've been

1012
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:58,600
listening and the music is fantastic,
and just yeah, keep it up.

1013
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,039
I love it all right, all
right, yeah check out, really enjoy

1014
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:06,640
all right, Thanks on man,
love you guys. Have a great night.

1015
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,279
Bye bye, all right, bye
bye, all right, very good.

1016
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,399
Um, before we run out of
time, Zach, where should people

1017
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,800
go online to keep up with everything
that you're doing as far as shows and

1018
01:40:16,199 --> 01:40:19,039
the new album and every Yeah,
definitely yeah. So Instagram right now is

1019
01:40:19,079 --> 01:40:23,439
kind of the main vein. I
don't really have much on Facebook. So

1020
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:27,439
that's just Abner A B N E
R Underscore II and I think Jim put

1021
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,199
in the chat, yes, yep, yeah, And if you follow me

1022
01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:32,439
there there's a pre saved link right
now, the only link I have is

1023
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:38,319
for Spotify for it's a there's a
little bit of a delayed fuse with putting

1024
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:41,039
up tunes in the world of you
know, pre safe stuff. So hopefully

1025
01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:44,359
ill more presaved links later. But
yeah, May fifteenth, it'll be out,

1026
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,720
Okay, very excited, excellent,
excellent. How many songs on it?

1027
01:40:47,279 --> 01:40:51,079
There's nine songs? Ohree got cut? Oh really? Yeah? Three

1028
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:55,199
cut cut? Yeah? Yeah,
so nine songs, you know, yeah,

1029
01:40:55,239 --> 01:40:57,720
which is nice. Well why why
did you cut the three? Um?

1030
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,800
They just weren't coming together because when
it came down to recording this,

1031
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,680
it was it was very labor intensive
just recording each individual loop and yeah,

1032
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:08,039
trying to make stuff work, and
just three couldn't come together, you know.

1033
01:41:08,079 --> 01:41:11,000
And I don't like long songs either, yeah, yeah, personally I

1034
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:14,079
don't, and some like I cut
one that was five minutes, like yeah,

1035
01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:15,600
no, no kidding, I'm not
a five minute guy. Yeah,

1036
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:21,159
I don't like five minute guys.
Yeah, can't you five minutes. There

1037
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:24,479
you go, there you go.
Well, we're really glad you came in

1038
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,399
today. Thank you so much.
Yeah, it means the world. Thank

1039
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,399
you for thank you for having me. Yeah. No, what what you

1040
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,359
do is remarkable and uh and unique
and it's uh, you know, it's

1041
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,439
uh, no disrespect to any any
of the great artists that we have on

1042
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:40,319
obviously, but it's cool to see
somebody doing something as interesting as what you're

1043
01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:43,079
doing. And that's very kind of
you to say, yeah, and and

1044
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:45,600
thank you. I showed up and
just kind of plopped having to dye everything

1045
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,960
right on, so you took it
like a chance. So thank you for

1046
01:41:48,039 --> 01:41:51,920
that. Thank you. You are
awesome. Yeah, happy, happy to

1047
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,560
do it. Very good, Very
good. Well we are just about out

1048
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:59,319
of time, Jenny, did you
want to plug your website? Absolutely can

1049
01:41:59,319 --> 01:42:03,039
always check me out at Gencoffee dot
com. J E. N. Ncoffey

1050
01:42:03,159 --> 01:42:06,760
dot com. And I do have
more writings coming out on the miting and

1051
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,760
I will be giving an update on
the National Health campaign. Very good,

1052
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,479
very good. And if you're listening
live on Tuesday, coming up next is

1053
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,079
through the Stage Doore hosted by Rob
Dyon. And if you miss any part

1054
01:42:18,079 --> 01:42:20,880
of today's show it we'll be up
in just a little bit at WMH radio

1055
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:27,039
dot org and at my website Matt
Connerton dot com. And that's going to

1056
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:30,840
do it for us for now.
Zach from Abner the second, thank you

1057
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,880
again so much. My friend,
this is this has been absolutely absolutely happy

1058
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,439
to do it, and that's going
to do it for us for now.

1059
01:42:39,079 --> 01:42:42,039
I will talk at you all a
little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye.