What is krack Alac and fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am a Damna Valley
coming at you with my certified fan tabulous co host mister Grant Hughes. We
are here to do our All NBA, All Defense and All Rookie Teams check
out are very motherfucking law awards pod that went like one hundred minutes. I
would say it was thorough, Dan, I think it was comprehensive, thorough.
I got our awesome, thorough, comprehensive in depth awards podcast, All
NBA, All Defense, All Rookie here. Before we get started the usual
question, Grant, since I talked to you three minutes ago, how are
you doing? I'm nervous because this is a lot harder than the individual awards
we just did, and I think we're gonna differ a lot. And I
think I also am uh concerned that I've like forgot someone because when you're doing
lists of you know, fifteen plus players, it's really easy to just not
mention someone that should be mentioned. So that's where I'm at. Are you
feeling confident here? I mean, or do you know all fifteen players?
When it comes to my livelihood in terms of occupation. I never feel confident.
That's why I've That's that's why I am where I am, in the
low place. My self confidence is through No, that's why you've lasted this
long is because you don't. You don't believe you've ever proved anything I do.
I wanted to ask you really quickly. I don't know if you saw
Rudy Gobert got suspended by the Wolves for the play, Yeah, we probably
should have led. Yeah, Like my thoughts, uh, the Timberwolves should
stop punching so much, just across the board. Punching has really been a
problem for them because it's so why so yeah, I mean it doesn't so
what my first thought with the Gobert thing was all those like allusions to like
nobody likes this guy that have been around for his whole career. Basically,
I first thaw was I get it, like this now, I see this
is this is what it, this is real, like he actually is just
despised. But but he did. He privately apologized reportedly on a text thread
of the team, and he publicly apologized specifically to Kyle Anderson. And that's
way more than you often get in a situation like this. So bad look
not great makes that trade look even more catastrophic for Minnesota. But like credit
to him, like he did do the thing you're supposed to do. After
you do the bad thing, you just say you're sorry, and I don't
know what else. You know, Apologies still count for something because not everybody
makes them. And John Cridgens, he did say it seemed like players are
ready to move on, but like the suspension was inevitable after the punch.
The woe tweet on it was just so funny. It was Kyle Anderson called
Rudy Gobert bitch repeatedly on a night that he was playing injured. I had
joked when it happened that Kyle Anderson must have told him that screens weren't actually
assists and that yeah, I saw. I think I forget who tweeted it,
but someone said, like, that's the best Gobert's hands have looked all
season. Oh man, but the Wolves here. You give up all that
for someone who's not going to be available for the most name of the season,
and then you protect someone that they valued at least two first round picks
in that trade who will now not be available for the rest of the season
because he punched a wall. That McDaniel that is massive. Kudos to the
game that Anthony Edwards had against the Pelicans, who man, please don't look
back at any of our Pelicans takes from earlier on in the season. Those
have aged like milk. I don't the Wolves Lakers do they stand at the
chance. I actually have them coming out of the West play and this is
gonna be dated, so we don't need to spend a ton of time.
And I think they lose to the Lakers and then I believe Rudy will be
back by then. I think they'll beat the Thunder or the Pelicans. But
the Pelicans, like they've come out of late, not necessarily that game against
the Timberwolves on Sunday and the Thunder a frisky But I just Anthony. I
know they don't have Jane McDaniels, but like Anthy Edwards is just a monster
and Carl Anthon Town has had a really good closed game to the season.
So I think I think it's gonna be Wolves and Lakers coming out of the
West. Yeah. I think Lakers are the no brainer pick. Now.
It's just so hard to be confident in Minnesota. Although like if you don't
think Rudy go Bear is great and him being off the floor, like how
which way does that cut? I guess for some subsection of Wolves fans that's
maybe it's a good thing. Yeah, I can't. I don't know how
I feel about Okay c versus New Orleans as like which of the it's the
Lakers for sure, And then I really don't know. I don't know.
I guess I picked Minnesota because I like Edwards so much, but I just
I don't feel comfortable like having faith in them right now. It's so hard
to come back from what a ridiculous outcome, like just two guys like Jane
McDaniels is super important to that team. So I don't know what to do
with them. We should get into All NBA though, right, Yes,
and so the very quickly we talked more about our criteria for the awards,
but it bears repeating here because I do think it kind of impacted me more
here with All NBA. I tried to tell the story of what we're going
to remember from this season, and if it was just specifically saying I think
so and so's the if I think Steph Curry's the best player in the league,
he would have made first All NBA. Some people first team all on
me. Some people approach it like that, we're not working with the games
or minutes requirements that the league is going to have next year. I still
think that's window dressing. They care more about appearances than actually preserving the sample.
But anyway, I valued playing time a bunch. I got a little
bit more flexible when it came to the back end of the bout where third
team. If I thought guys their season ended two earlier, they didn't play
enough minutes, and I would have had them higher if their sample was better,
That's kind of the spot I reserved for them. I also was not
above fucking around with positions that the NBA allowed you to fuck around with,
because I wanted to make sure that by telling the story of this season,
I wanted to capture the story of the season and who are the most outstanding
actors or performers in that story. And that's how I went about this.
You went at it a little bit differently, which I also think it's fine,
but I'm trying to be This year was all about consistent consistency of my
thought process, and so I tried to really zero in on that. Yeah,
no, I think, look, we don't have criteria for this,
so how whatever whatever floats your boat in terms of how how are you're going
to figure make these tough decisions for me? So it's a little it's kind
of similar to yours. I think the key difference is I just it's not
quite it's different from MVP, first of all, for me, specifically with
respect to how much playing time matters and how much volume matters, because it's
not to me, this isn't about just strictly value. It's there's some component
of what you're talking about with telling the story of it or who's like if
we're just sitting down and having conversation, some component of this is also like,
yeah, but who's actually the best player between these two or three that
we're considering for a spot, which makes it pretty unscientific in a lot of
cases. But that's okay. That this is an MVP. It's different.
So what I did is I just cut it off at fifty five games.
If you played fifty five games or more, you're in contention for me.
If you played fifty four or fewer, sorry, you just weren't. And
like, you're very anti Kevin Durant. You're just a ridiculous number of these
I will scorned Warriors. Yeah, this is the problem is when I did
this earlier in the season for BR I had Durant. I can't remember what
team. I must have been second team, because the first team forwards are
pretty easy. I had him on there, and I was like, well,
he might make it past fifty. He might not, But I just
I thought of it more like you did in terms of what's the story of
the season. How can we keep Durant out of an All NBA team because
he's he was an MVP candidate for the vast majority of his healthy chunk of
the season. He just falls short. I just maybe it's because I wanted
to simplify it, But if you didn't play fifty five, you're out.
If you played fifty five or if you played seventy five, that matters very
little to me. So I've just said a lower threshold, you've got a
clear and I'm willing to make some decisions based on volume, but it almost
it matters very little relative to you know, efficiency, relative to like just
how impactful all that other stuff. So that's the only difference for me.
But again, these are all kind of This is much hazier, just generally
speaking, I think than some of the other awards we've talked about. So
do you want to lead us off? Do you want to give us?
Should we start with the guards and just go first, second, third?
That's what I was saying, So let's start with We'll go by basically positions
here. Guards were one bath and do you want to Can I listen all
the names that I think needed to be considered just in the all NBA discussion
at large for guards, Go for it, and I'll add any that you
don't have, because I got a lot of also mentioned. Also, I
will say, because Paul George and Jalen Brown are both eligible, I forward
I did not include them even in my guarden because it just wasn't happening for
either of them if I looped them in his guards. Okay, I have
Devin and this is just an alphabetical order by last name, so I'm not
Devin Booker, Jalen Brunton, Steph Curry, Luca Danchet's, Anthony Edwards,
Darren Fox, Darius Garland, Shake Gilges, Alexander Tyrese, Haliburton, James
Harden, Zach Levine, Damian Lillard, Donovan Mitchell, John Morant, and
Trey Young. Did I miss anybody? I think you got everybody that I
had. I actually forgot to put Trey Young. I'm I also considered,
but he definitely belongs. That's like if there was an all NBA team,
right, not a serious creation, but it's like it's Tree Young, like,
guy, I did he leave the league and assist total assists again pen
just like clockwork or whatever. It was like that. That's just like,
uh so my first team I had, and I think, I don't think
this is controversial. I'd shake Gill, just Alexander who was fourth on both
of our MVP ballots. I believe. Then I had Donovan Mitchell. When
you're Trump, you want to talk about capturing what happened this season? Diamond
Mitchell through and through comes in without Darius Garland. With Darius Garland had some
rough patches this season. That's the twenty four hundred plus minutes without even playing
in seventy games. By the way, is one of the most efficient off
the dribble jump shooters in the NBA. His defense is night and day better
than it was while he was with Utah in the final season, two seasons
whatever, and turned the Calves, not himself, but turned the Calves into
just this bona fide contender where you if you look at stats, I'm not
saying that Caps would be the title favorites, but they're like they should be
like second or third if you're just going by like just some of the advanced
metrics. I think he was a higher up in the MVP discussion, but
as Darius Garland came back, as Evan Mobley grew, I think his case
faded a little bit. But he is just wired a wire to me.
Do I think Steph is the better player right now? Sure, Dono Mitchell
pay played twenty four hundred plus minutes, which is noticeably more than a Steph
Curry here. And when you look at the value proposition of having Donovan Mitchell
on offense, his fit in the larger context of what Cleveland is doing,
as well as just what the shock creation does for them in the clutch,
in you know, in big games coming up in the playoffs, but just
overall their half court offense. I think it's a big deal. And he
had a monster season. Yeah, I think so. We agree on SGA
as a first teamer. I guess that's maybe. I don't know how controversial
that'll be. I don't think it should be. So my other first team
guard is Steph, and I acknowledge that just a lot of the catch all
stats and the cumulative numbers say that certainly, and maybe even a couple other
guys. Dame Lillard is another one, and Luca should probably be ahead of
stuff. For me, those numbers are all close enough. And the fact
that Curry again leads basically everyone we've mentioned in true shooting percentage. He got
to nineteen hundred and forty minutes, which is all these other guys we've talked
about are two thousand plus and SGA's way up at like twenty four hundred,
with Mitchell again that the minutes and games didn't really matter. Steph played fifty
six games, so he cleared my super hard hard to clear threshold that was
to get him in here. But yes, yeah, do you get him
in here into snub Devin Booker in his fifty four games. But I think
the numbers for me are close enough between him and like Lillard specifically, who
is really the other guy that I thought hardest about that and Curry does have
advantages in some that just like he Curry just is different than all these other
guys because of the off ball stuff, because of all the unquantifiable, you
know, impact, And I think, if you're going to fudget, which
I admit i'm doing here a little bit, little bit, I'm gonna fudget
in favor of, you know, the most consequential basketball player of this generation
in terms of like who's changed how the sport has played. So he's getting
a little bumped there like a lifetime achievement ish thing. But I mean he
he's still the same guy. He's still just the most you know, dynamic
offensive guard that there is. And I think the numbers were you know,
close enough and favored him in enough cases that I had to just put him
first team just because it feels it felt like the right It felt like the
right decision to me. And I will readily admit all my bias homerism and
all that other stuff. I don't think it's in again for the way you
want about it. I think it's perfectly arguable. I think so I had
Steph went to my third team, that was just order the fungible. Had
he played in like maybe five more games or five minutes, five games worth
of minutes another few hundred. That case would have been easier for me to
make. I had on my second team, I have Daron Fox and Luca
Danchich. I thought about Luke Entres on third team, but then I was
waiting the end of the season just too heavily. Here he was. He
felt like an MVP lock for like the first twenty games where Jason Tatum was
there and then it was him. He carried the mass to the four seat
at one point. He was still spectacular on offense. The fit with Irving
wasn't perfect. He didn't have the strongest close to the year. I think
when you look at the number of minutes he played, would it be egregious
to bump it down to third team for you know, Steph Curry or Dame
Lillard. Maybe, but Fox clutches player in basketball. This year he proved
a great deal. The pressure he could put on the rim, mid range
game is is legitimate. I do think he ticked up defensively a little bit,
even though the Kings weren't good on defense, so that was Donno Mitchell,
Darren Fox were just like if we were going by most outstanding I think
those are the guys you moved down to third team, but because of how
much Fox played, how impactful he was to the Kings, where it's I
think you could it's one of those situations where s Bonus might be most valuable
to the Kings, but Darren Fox is clearly their best player. Because we
might unlock everything they do, but it doesn't mean a thing, Like part
of the unlocking is just the Aaron Fox exists. Yeah, I agree with
that, So did so. I had so I had Mitchell and Fox as
my third team guards, so you had you had Mitchell little higher than me,
and I guess Fox too, so do we. And Luca is my
second team, is on my second team, and like his statistical case,
just if that's all you're going by, he should be on the first team
just full stop. But I think some of the defense, some of the
leadership stuff. Again, we're just getting away from the numbers, which is
kind of I think that's that makes for a better discussion and it makes for
just a more holistic look at like what player is. So I don't think
that's invalid to just say I don't care that he has a nine point zero
box plus minus which crushes everybody else that's in this conversation an EPM, he's
the best all all this other stuff. Do we mention Dame because I have
Dame as a second teamer, so this might be as a nice recap.
My first team is SGA, Donovan Mitchell, second is Fox and don Chich.
My third team is Steph and Dame. And I thought Game was gonna
end up being my first team guard basically until he was shut down, and
I was just like, Okay, he's played more than twenty one hundred minutes
and I don't really know how to necessarily dismiss that and the Blazers one the
minutes that he was on the court. But it's just like, you know,
Anthony Edwards leaving Anthy Edwards off kind of gutted me here. Yeah,
and so it's just like I don't really know, I didn't know how to
value it, but it was just you were you were not only were you
shut down, you were talking about shutting it down before you were even shut
down. I just it mattered to me, I think too. And again,
like he had the best season of his career by the way he did,
which of a Hall of Fame career. With a million All Star births
like he's he was phenomenal. He was. He was a first teamer for
me too, over Steph until you know, until what the last handful of
weeks. I think, like the defense from Dame matters a little bit,
not that we care that much about it for an award for all NBA stuff
like this, just especially among guards because none of these guys really are I
guess who's the best defensive guard of our because we have the same six guys?
Is it? Like? Is it Mitchell? Is it? It's probably
Stay, I think, but it's not. No, it's not Dame,
and it's not it's not Fox, It's not I mean, Steph's probably in
the top three for for that matter. Yeah, Dame, I just couldn't
quite get there. Him and Curry were their numbers are really similar, and
I just went with the guy that ultimately is on the better team and I
think makes a bigger impact. Who is your first? Like was your hardest
cut? Like? Was that was it? Edwards? Like it was Booker
full stop? I think Devin Booker, Tyri Shlbert didn't play enough either,
and then Edwards Those were my three toughest cuts. But Devin Booker bought full
stop, having the best season of his career, but just hasn't played a
ton and I think he finished He's fishing with a hair under in minutes compared
to Steph Curry and so like, and maybe he edged out Curry in minutes.
I might have excuse me gone, I'm trying to make sure that I'm
not wrong on the total minutes there. Well, but for me, he
had fifty four games, which is just like one. I don't know if
he played fifty five or fifty six, I'm not sure I would have put
him on ahead of these six guys even then. But it made it easy
for me because what it ultimately was, it was tough to crack the Largesse
sample from Shay, Luca, Fox and Mitchell. And then also, if
you're not going to beat out one of those four there, you gotta be
more outstanding than Damian Lillard or Steph. I don't think Booker was either.
Yeah, I'm trying to think rank guards who we think are the most valuable
guards right now, he might be two or three, like Steph is highest
to me. I don't know what to do with Donch, to be honest
with you, and maybe it's a weird time to be evaluating don Chich,
Like it's just now and now it's not a good time to like form opinions
about him. I don't think who was your toughest cuts. It's probably Booker.
I weirdly had like a hard time with with Harden just because some of
the numbers and he's like some of the numbers paint him as really effective.
I don't know other than Booker, who was made easier for me just because
he didn't meet my games qualification. I guess Edwards's Morant, Like I guess,
I mean Morant was a little tough, just because again, if you're
just picking the best guards in the league, I feel like he's at least
in the conversation for the top six. I mean, all these guys are
in the conversation. But yeah, probably that Haliburton I love, but wasn't
that hard of a cut for me just because his team sucked and he was
awesome. But like that's another one too, where it's like he's got time,
he's gonna he's gonna make an All NBA team eventually. Yeah, so
who did you have? Do you want to start us off? For forwards?
Which I think was probably the toughest. There was a guards, but
forward felt forward felt tough. I mean, the first team was maybe the
easiest position for me, just because it's it's Tatum and it's the honest.
I think you could, I think it was available to fudget and have Tatum
become a guard, but I don't know why you'd ever do that, just
because there are like the forwards get difficult down down ballot, like a lot
like a guard situation would have been made worth by putting Katum. I also
saw Luca inteligible and forward, and so it doesn't that kind of canceled that
out too? Yeah? Maybe maybe so Yeah, I mean like that is
an interesting case because Luca is so clearly a guard offensively, but he doesn't
guard guards, and a lot of times you define positions by who they can
defend. I didn't even really think for a second it would have been a
lot easier because we could have just moved Luca onto the forward spots and then
just picked another good guard. Maybe I should have done that. Yeah I
didn't though. So anyway, it's the honest and Tatum. That's that's easy.
Two top five MVP guys. Tatum played a ton of minutes was great,
average thirty. The honest is a down years like thirty, eleven and
five, and the true shooting is down a little bit. He's missing.
I just like, we're not going to badmouth those two guys, I unless
you were really gonna go with a super small sample guy like CHAOI Durant and
just not care about volume. I don't know how you get away from Tatum
and Jannest for the first team. Yeah, I don't. I don't think
there's an argument to put unless you're gonna move again Tatum to guard and put
don chitch it forward. And he thought, yeah, I don't know who's
on your second team. I feel like this is just where things could.
I think there's one Butler. All right, yes, we agree, Butler
is a lot on the second team. I think those were the three forward
locks for me were Jimmy, Johannis and Tatum, and I was just like,
those three are on I don't I think some advanced metrics would make the
case for Jimmy Overtatum. I can't do it because I feel like you're inherently
limited on offense. Just the way that he plays. He's so valuable,
but him not being an efficient jump shooter or a high volume three point shooter.
I don't want to say it hurts you, but it definitely limits or
specifies how you must build your offense out. Yeah, then go what,
Let's watch Jimmy Butler. I'll play Tatum in the first round series. Right,
we agree? But I just want to throw that out there as some
cover. So Butler easy from here. It's like, I just don't know,
man. So first of all, I didn't consider Kevin Durant. He
obviously would have been in one of these spots because I haven't done for forty
seven games. I did this a couple of days ago. Kauhi was also
not a consideration for me because he got to fifty games. Had he played
more, he absolutely would have been second team at worst. So I got
I got market In as my other second team forward. I don't feel good
about it. Uh, but like I just, I mean, the stistical
case is pretty solid. Like he's just he scored a ton, he scored
efficiently. He did He wasn't a catch and shoot guy. He just you
know, there's nobody else where. I clearly think this person had a better
season than marking in. If you're accounting for volume, like at all,
there's there's plenty that should beat him out for the spot if you don't care
about the games threshold. But I just I didn't know what to do with
him. So does one does marking in make any of these teams for you?
And I guess he's probably not on your second team. Oh he wasn't
my second team. Yeah, all right. If you want to talk about
the story of this season, it's a marketing and just the availability from him,
the way he opened up the Jazz offense. We did not have him
for Most Improved Player that went to Shay. I don't think that looks egregious
at all because we had Shay foreign MVP and then on first team all NBA.
It's do I think he's better than a lot of players. But no,
I couldn't even just looking at the minutes gap, I don't even I
couldn't come up with like a great case to put him in front of Excuse
me, Anthony, I couldn't put come up with a good case, but
Anthony Davis in front of marketing right now? Who's eligible forward as well?
Or even if you wanted to go with with Jaren Jackson Junior and we're talking
about someone who basically averaged like what twenty five and five on like splits of
almost shooting sixty percent on two, he was about forty percent from three,
shooting in outrageous. Was he above ninety from the fall line or he was
at least like super high, super hight up. There's an eighty seven point
five fifty eight point five percent on two's thirty one point one percent on three's
overall true shooting of sixty four. That's just that's wild to me. Yeah,
who did you? How did you do your third team? Because that's
where we start talking about snubs and how how we bounced people off. Okay,
so Lebron made it barely. He played fifty five games exactly, and
just like I get it. I think anyone who's watched him this year year,
it's like he's not athletically, he's not the same guy. Defensively,
he's taking more plays off, like he's just you know, shooting thirty two
percent from three, which is the worst he's shot since what fifteen sixteen,
I think, But he's still at twenty nine points, six point eight assists,
eight point three rebounds, shooting fifty percent exactly, from the floor,
not getting the line as much as in his heyday, but like you know,
almost six attempts a game is still solid. He still runs that offense
when he's out there. I just again, I think Durant would be in
this spot. I think Kawai would be in this spot if they cleared the
gameplay threshold. But I went with Lebron. And then the last pick is
like, right now, I have Julius Randall and I hate it, and
I want to pick Jaren Jackson or like or Draymond Green or you know,
Evan Mobley or somebody, but I had to. I just went Randall,
and that, ultimately, I think was kind of a volume decision because he
just played so much more than most of the other guys I considered. So
I'm I gotta believe you don't have Randall on your third team. I actually
do not. I don't. So my third team spots in my document right
now are blank because I was trying to figure out I don't know how to
handle the Kevin Durant, because I said my third team was gonna be more
fundible that Kevin Durant, Kauai Lebron stuff, and I look at it like
when you break it down between Kawhi, Durant and Lebron and even a D
that's also what made this tough because he's eligible forward. I don't think the
Durrant just can't be here because he didn't even playing fifty games, and like,
that's just I didn't have a threshold to cut it off at, but
fifty games, like he didn't play in fifty games, doesn't even play in
seventeen hundred minutes. That's just so tough. And yet I thought Kauai was
probably the most outstanding of everyone, especially because it was for so much of
the season since basically December. But he's it seventeen fifty and played in fifty
two games. Lebron and a D are both over nineteen hundred, and I
was like, well, how do I feel about putting two Lakers on this
team for forwards? And so I eventually settled on Anthony Davis, and then
I have Kawai because I think that he was the most outstanding of these four
within their samples. And I used Anthony Davis because I think he's gonna get
not I don't want to say the shaft, but he's eligible forward, and
so I'm gonna pounce on it. Yeah, and I think he would spectacular.
You talked about how he probably deserved to have more love in the defensive
Player of the Year discussion, and I think that that would probably be accurate.
He's been on He's had like these just pockets of tears offensively that I
think have been huge for the Lakers. He's been again, he's played identic
minutes to Lebron James. I think Anthony Davis is at nineteen oh four Lebron's
at nineteen fifty four. The Lakers have about scored opponents by more points with
Anthony Davis on the court than with Lebron on the court. In totality.
I get Lebron's importance to the offense. I totally get it. Anthony Davis
was just sort of a like the two way value he's providing, and I
just it was I didn't want to put two Lakers on here. I'm not
trying to be Lakers, but like, did two Lakers on the you know,
because they end up being seven, Like having two players from the seven
seed felt so weird and I normally don't value that. I think it was
also because we talked about do you think it's fair to put one of these
I guess four or two of these four without putting all four on the ballot.
That's why I did the game threshold. It just takes that out of
my hands. It's just it removed because look, if I were if I
had slightly different criteria, I think Kawhi and Durant should both like no Brainer
be over Lebron should be over, marking In should be over Randall, And
I mean you could even make arguments, at least maybe with respect to Tatum
that like when Durant was cooking, he was just better than Tatum was at
any point that year, And same with Kawhi. Jannie is a different kind
of thing. But it just I'm glad I did. That's part of the
reason I did it that way is because it just made the decisions for me.
So yeah, I don't know. I think if I thought you were
going to just go Kawhi and Durant and just get it over with. But
Davis, because I'm Davis, I just called him a center. But like
to be able to just get him in there at forward, I think makes
things a lot easier. I just decided to put him in there, and
it was just you know, leaving off. I didn't know what to do
with Jayon Brown, the jump shooting kind of falling off. Not as much
of a creator as some of the other guys here, like said Kevin Durant,
I don't think he played enough to make it hard on me. Julius
Randel got about in Pascal Siakam didn't have like the strongest eleventh hour to the
season. So there were like a lot of names. Jared Jackson Junior might
even make some ballots, and I can't if you're gonna just say, hey,
he's the defensive player of the year top three and most improved player as
well. I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, all right,
so we got I mean, centers, I get you mean. I
think I mentioned Draymond Green was like a just a peripheral consideration at forward,
which is weird because I guess he starts at forward most nights, but he's
best deployed as a center. So first team center. You're ready for that?
I mean, so I picked up debate all over again. Right,
So this is the thing. Normally this would be a different consideration, right,
because it's an MVP is different than all NBA for what every reason.
We've just decided it's different, and you know, volume matters less and valuable
is different than the story of the season. Actually, because I beat and
Yokis kind of have such similar numbers and played similar minute totals and games and
all that stuff, it's the same for me. So I have Yoki as
my first team center, and I don't know that we need to rehash everything
all most slash, all the advanced numbers like yokis better. The on off
stuff dramatically favors yokich However, you cut that up basically, whether you care
about how bad Denver is without him, I think that actually is a point
in this favor because it shows the team that he's elevating. You just the
Nuggets are better with Yokich on than the Sixers are with and beat on.
It's very close. Everybody's welcome to pick em beat here, but I'm just
gonna stick with Yokich. I also had as MVP. Yeah, I had
Yokich as MVP as well, and also first team center. Please go check
out I echo everything. Granted we went thirty plus minutes basically or thirty minutes
on the MVP discussion, so please go check out that podcast. But this
isn't either or situation. You could I won't unless you're gonna say Yokich is
trash and it's clearly abide, or you're just gonna saying, well, it's
a bad's turn, which I think is unfair to Embiade and the case that
he built Yoki's first team in beiad second team. And I don't think there's
there's no argument against having those two is you're even if he were super high
on Anthony Davis and don't care about minutes, he didn't even have a case
to dethrone one of these two. Who's your third team center? That's kind
of the interest because you got you got Davis out of the way forward and
I put demas a bonus there. I think, is there even anyone else
who would have a case over him, Like could Bam get in there?
Maybe? I don't think Mobley hasn't done it necessarily enough on offense this season
to get there. I mean, just sa bonus what he's able his two
man game with basically everybody on the King's the way he's been able to unlock
their offense. He's been really important as a defensive rebounder, for them.
There was also a huge stretch of this season where like they couldn't navigate the
minutes with him off the floor. He's been wildly important to the function of
their offense and the shots that not only the shots that they generate with him
on the court, with his vision he can work from the outside in with
the bonus hands, but the way that and there's I don't know if there's
a way of measuring this. I'm sure there's proprietary data that has it,
but like sometimes offenses can seem homogeneous, but like the Kings, all of
a sudden, there's all this off ball movement from guys, and I feel
like it's because the bonus, Like Fox, if you look at him moving
off the ball, sometimes it's bonus unlocks that because you know that he's waiting
for it, and I don't. I really didn't. Again, I talked
about some names just now, but I really didn't consider anyone else aside from
him for third team center. Yeah, I had Davis as my third team
center, which was a real I feel like it was an easier pick for
me, and I'm glad I had him there because for me, like the
I agree with what you said about Sabonis, I just think the defensive component,
Like there's a reason the Kings are ship on defense, and it's he's
the most important defensive player on the floor and he's just not good at it.
So it would have been hard for me to choose between like Sabonis and
Bam and even like Jaren Jackson or like I don't know if you could low
key christophs Porzingis had a freaking awesome season, Like, yeah, I wouldn't
have picked him for third team center, but like he looks, he looked
he was really good this year. Brook Lopez probably wouldn't have made it,
but but and Mobile, I'm not sure as a center, So I s
Bonus would have been the hardest cut there, I guess. But Davis just
I mean you talked about it in your forward case, like Davis had stretches
of the season where not just defensively where he was like a fringe defensive player
of the Year Kennedy, but offensively is going for like forty and twenty.
I mean, like he his height, his highs are just so much higher
than anybody button been in yokich and got to like just enough of them for
me to get him in there as a third teen. I lovely didn't even
have to decide between the two because I put Davis head forward in part from
that reason. He's on your team. You don't have to go crazy,
not hate, not liking my Davis pick, trying to stay with my consistency.
I might have. I still would have gone to bonus. I think
it was like an eight hundred plus minute gap between and that's that's huge.
Yeah, you want to do you want all rookie or all defense? Next,
Let's do all rookie should be quick. I think let's do all rookie.
I just have to find my list here so you can start us off
if you want. Yeah, So on my first team the ball rookie,
there are I think there are three locks for first team all Rookie. Pablo
Benko, Jalen Williams, and Walker Kessler would be be in agreement. They're
also hooray for no positions on this one. I love it. Yeah,
thank god. Yeah, I would agree, And I think the next guy
is probably Keegan Murray. Not necessarily a lock, but I think for me,
he feels like clearly the fourth best rookie is do you have him on
your first team Yeah, he's on my first team as is. And I
don't want to say this hurts, because it doesn't hurt. It's Ben mcmathren.
His close to the season for like half the season just didn't shoot well,
but super high volume. I think he's gonna have more to offer on
the balls. They trust him differently and things he can open up for their
offense. Just that volume to be as a rookie and to have that volume
through and through. I don't even have to look at minutes played to tell
you that he was probably like he had easily be. Oh he actually wasn't,
so I'm wrong, but he cleared twenty two hundred minutes. But he
was one of the sixth most played rookies. And to actually be one of
this it's most played rookies when Rick Carlisle's your head coach, I know that
you're a little rebuild. But he got a lot of guards on that team
too, a lot of guards to fill those spots. So I mean,
by the way, INDI just having two of the top seven played rookies is
hysterical. So I don't think he was a lock. But did you have
our our first teams the same? I don't think they are based on they're
not they're not that that was the hardest. The first four spots were just
like no brainers, very easy. So I have Tarry Eason as a first
teamer, and I feel like that has the potential to look really bad because
he's such a weird player and he might be something we look back years from
now and he's just you know, not in a rotation or because he's just
so much of what he does well is he plays really hard. He's disruptive
on defense, he chases down rebounds, he runs the floor like it's a
lot of weird and tangible. I mean you can some of it is tangible
if you look at the NBA's hustle stats and you know, deflections and all
that kind of stuff. But Matherin is just such a I feel like we
understand what Matherin's going to be, you know, just he's gonna be this
guy that gets the foul line and scores and that's valuable. It'll have a
long career. Easton. I don't know. I just think this year his
impact was huge. And it's a weird team to evaluate because the Rockets were
just you know, kind of a disaster and the things that he was good
at stood out so much. But he's just like I just think he I
just think he did more than than Mathering. It's it's close, like,
for example, in estimated wins on EPM, that's the cumulative stat you're your
best rookies are Kessler's number one, because every stat loves Walker Kessler, Williams
to Murray three and then Easton's four. He's ahead of bank Rams of estimated
wins at it. So I mean that's that's a decent decent Uh. It
was enough basically to sway me for him. Second teams where it gets interesting
though, because there's just you go a lot of different directions here. So
do you have math You have Mathron on your second team though for sure?
Yeah, easy, easy pick. And I have Eason on my second team.
So that's you know, one of the spots each for us gone.
I tried, this is my thought on but I don't even know if he's
gonna make pools all rookie lists. I tried to get him on the first
team and I couldn't. I am so all the way in on Jeremy Sellen.
I have him as a second team. I think he ultimately played enough
to get there. He only ended up at fifty six games in total,
almost fifteen hundred minutes, though the efficiency numbers are all over the place.
He just progressively improved when he switched to one hand free throw shooting, was
able to lock that down, and so his sixty nine point eight percent free
throw percentage doesn't really tell the story of his entire season. He has great
feel as a passer, great malluability as a defender, and he's had some
higher scoring games as well. I think there are points where he can be
a little bit too passive as a score He feels like the guy that if
Dyson Daniels had played more in New Orleans. Like that type of a player
does fill so many different holes, But I think there's that ultimate and I'm
not differentiating from Dyson Daniels here. I'm just saying there's there's an even higher
end ceiling there. If you're gonna put the ball in his hands on offense,
We'll see how the jumper comes along. But he was an easy second
team inclusion for me, mostly because I tried by else to fit him on
the first team. Because I'm so much in a believer and what I saw
from him. Yeah, I have him on my second team as well.
He's another kind of weird player. Like his swing skill is obviously gonna be
canny make jump shots down the line. Have we talked about how much I
love the one hand free throw change that he made like that, I just
like also the hair, well, the hair for sure, I mean he
I mean, how many guys do you think have had coaches say, hey,
you might want to try this. It's gonna look stupid, but I
think it's gonna work, and guys just won't do it. You know.
You used to hear that a lot about like underhand shots, like why doesn't
Shaq just shoot a granny It'll go in like it's doable, and for se
him to do it and then and then have it work, it's like good
for him, man, Like that's just that's just caring about what's going to
be effective and not the optics of it, because it looks like, come
on, man, are you really gonna shoot one hand free throws? But
he didn't. It worked so single most if there were a most improved skill
for the season, he would probably win it for changing the one handed free
throws. So we have math well, Eason and Mathern. We differ on
so hands on my second team as well, Jay and Ivy. Pretty easy
pick for me for the second team. Shooting the three ball well to close
the year. Just better decision maker, especially even after leaving his feet.
The passing is there. I'm curiously does the off the dribble touch come along
a little bit more over sustainable over like a longer sample, he had a
first team case. I think actually by the end of the year, I
think he had a first first team case. It's just it was tough the
four. I didn't mention him as a lock Keegan Murdy was locked in as
just there wasn't like a good case against him. You had to beat out
that final spot. And I think you could have just went a number of
different directions there, maybe like two or three players up for consideration, and
I think someone like Eason or even someone like Mathin who had stronger starts and
maybe more sustainable success over the course of the season than Ivy did. If
he were ups and downs or wild swings, that's why you don't pick him.
But I think Ivy has a first team case, and I think too
it's worth mentioning that. Other than probably Bank Carrow and Williams. I think
Ivy has the highest ceiling still. I mean there's another guy on the second
team that might have something to say about that, but I think Ivy has
as highest ceiling as anybody but those two, and maybe even higher. You
just don't know, right, Like, point guard is a really hard position
to play, and he had gotten by on being the most athletic guy in
the gym forever, and he just had to learn how to slow down,
how to read the defense, how to guard. He just had to learn
a lot of stuff. And I think his run towards the end of the
year proved that, Like, yeah, that that's happening. So athletically,
he's still just I mean, there aren't a lot of guys that can move
like he does. So I think I think he's This may look like a
pretty not based on the season he had, but where he might end up
him being a second teamer in this class, I look kind of wild down
the line as opposed to you know, he like Tari Easton, for example,
There's no chance Tari Easton has the ceiling that that Jade and Ivy does
not. That that's what this is about. So the other one, so
we'll do when we differ on I'm pretty sure we differ. I had Jalen
Duran as a second teamer, and just like he played a lot for a
rookie, played in a lot of and he played in a lot of games
at decent number of minutes. I don't know that he was good, say,
but that's kind of where we are in the rookie situation right now.
Like all these guys were probably that negatives on the floor, but I think
his athleticism, like the flirtation with more than just being a dunker, was
encouraging to me. He's another very high ceiling guy, even though non stretch,
non switch centers only have so high of a ceiling. But for his
player type, I think he could be really significant and impactful. But you
had somebody other than during right that. So we have run the difference here.
I have Andrew Demhard. I mean, he played so many minutes guarded
his defense, and he had like really high offensive moments, some of these
scoring outburst But the defense for me, one of already just the better on
ball defenders that can be moved, like defend up down. You're not gonna
find a lot of players to defend down on looking at the size and can
defend up and the level of difficulty on the assignments he was chasing around.
I mean, Miles Turner's clearly Indie's most valuable defender. But like when you're
talking about matchup versatility, there's Andrew dem Hard. It's just in the class
and the only I guess, unless you're like super high on you saw from
u Ni Smith this season, so he was fairly easy for me. But
I don't think you had him on your second team. I did not.
I mean, he probably would be the next guy on if I had to
pick, if I had to pull from the just missed it list, just
for like steady and to your point, like it's not very common for a
rookie, let alone like a not a big rookie guard slash wing to be
assigned like real legitimate defensive responsibilities, but he definitely did, and that I
think really that distinguishes him from I'm just looking at literally everybody else that we
consider. I guess, so Sohan probably is has the greater defensive versatility in
my matter moral going forward, But in terms of like right now, I
think them Hard is totally justifiable pick the other guy we have together here is
is Shaden Sharp on our second team. And for me, like, I'm
so skeptical of all his ridiculous numbers that are pumping his stats up down the
stretch here because the Blazers have just mailed it in and given him, you
know, super high usage in forty minutes to just explore the space. But
at the same time, like he is showing that he's not just you know,
yea dunks. He's more than you know, the just the guy that
has a highlight every other game or sometimes multiple highlights in the same game.
Thirty six percent from three forty seven point two from the field, so he's
fifty five nine on twos, and like he is a guy that has no
idea how to create easy shots yet, so like this is really encouraging that
he's moderately efficient taking a lot of hard shots and like bad shots that will
just be excised from his diet going forward, you hope. But the athleticism
is ridiculous. He has great size on the wing, just gonna fall short
of scoring double digits played in eighty games, looked totally lost for large chunks
of the season. It was just getting by on athleticism but I think I
think he's the guy I was referring to when I said other than I like
ceiling wise, I don't know he's This is aged nineteen, season two,
so he's younger than a lot of these guys. But I think I think
Sharp has just ridiculous potential. I'm less confident he'll hit it than say like
Bank Carroll or Williams. But but that's kind of I couldn't leave him off.
I just think we may look back and be like, how did you
possibly not him have him as a top ten rookie. Look, the flashes
were there, and I think he was helpful as a rookie too, I
mean insofar as anyone could be helpful to whatever was going on Portland. And
it wasn't like he didn't play. I mean he appeared in eighty games and
for almost eighteen hundred minutes thirty six percent from three. So just like,
I think his case was probably stronger than most people might believe. I could
see why I might have considered Duran going over that Akbashi really came on late.
I just don't think it was enough he considered there. So ultimately my
first team was Paolo Janalen Williams, Walker Kessler, Bennedict Math and Keegan Murray.
My second team was Jeremy Sown Tares and Jay and Ivy, Andrew m
Harden, Shaden Sharp. Yeah, and then I had Bank, Carroll,
Williams, Kessler, Murray, Eason and then second team Matherin, Ivy so
In During and Sharp so pretty close. Any any close cuts for you?
I think A J. Griffin is like, hey, sorry, we didn't
get Jim Mark Williams. I think you mentioned Abaji. We both loved Yson
Daniels, Jaden Hardy had some moments. Yeah, I don't know. Kenneth
Lofton Junior dropping forty plus in the last game of the Sason the biggest,
the biggest snub both literally and statistics literally for sure. Uh yeah, I
don't think I have anybody else that we like. Christian Brown maybe, but
just like not strong enough case to be like, hey, we should have
picked him over any of the ones that we just named. I think we
each have our biggest snubs, which yours I think you said was nam hard
in mind was we probably would have been during Yeah. Yeah, no,
I think I mean as much, like as much as we can say the
guys like you know, five through fifteen in terms of top rookies are fungible,
Like at least those top four are pretty pretty clean, pretty easy.
All defense, you want to start us off, this was this was Yeah.
Thirdly it was it was easy to an extent because I just threw my
top like my defensive player of the year guys, we're all just like,
Okay, I threw them in here and that's where they're right. Yeah.
So for me, you made a really great case for Evan Mobley on the
other pot, we did, so I'm bummed that I couldn't fit him onto
my first team. But we gotta have two guards because the positions are still
a thing here, So I have Alex Caruso. I feel totally great about
that, the league leader in defensive estimated plus minus. Like just he's a
nightmare getting guarded if being guarded by him might be like the shittiest place to
be on a basketball court. He I just he's we throw this around all
the time. And the other guy we gotta having my first team is Drew
Holiday. It was just universally regarded by Yeah, NBA players are just like
Drew Holiday is the greatest, like full stop there's nobody better than that guy,
and that's not my whole reason for I've actually watched the games and looked
at the numbers and he's awesome. So him and Cruso are my guards.
And so after that, my two top defensive Player of the Year candidates,
Jaren Jackson Junior and Brook Lopez. Threw them on there. We're gonna call
Jackson a forward, I guess to make that possible. And then there's so
many guys for this fifth spot. I just went with Draymond Green because I
think he's the best defender that you could ask for if you're just building a
team from nothing, at least for the moment, not gonna age like Jackson.
But that's so that's what I got. I got Lopez, Jackson,
Green, and then Cruso on holiday on my first team. Yeah, so
I had mostly the same I didn't know what to do with Caruso at first,
because he played in a bunch of games, was still under sixteen hundred
minutes, and I was just like, is that gonna enough to put him
on all defense? I think it's enough to put him on all defense,
which is it doesn't need to follow the same line of thinking like when you
look at his workload, how good the Bulls defense was, how disruptive he
is, the fact that they could even like protect the basket at all is
just what he's able to do from the free throw line extended like the ball
press here that he's able to give you both on and away from it.
So I have him and Drew Holiday. But basically for just what you said,
did all the NBA players talk about it and you just watch him,
it's like that dude is an exhaustive defender. I also had Brook Lopez and
Jared Jackson Junior on here as well. Evan Mobley is how I rounded out
my first team. So I've Evan Mobley, Giant Jackson Junior, Brook Lopez,
with Caruso and Drew Holiday there. And I will say I had Draymond
on my second team because he was also in the top four five discussion for
my Defensive Player of the Year ballot, and he was eligible both center and
forward, which made things a little bit easier so that I could still fit
other bigs on here. Yeah, I wish it was positionless. I might
have had Draymond instead of Caruso just by virtue of the minutes played and then
Drew Holiday probably still have made the cut if it were positionless. For me,
I don't think i'd have a guard on the first team. I think
I would just I would, you know, as good as Holiday is and
as good as Caruso was, I would have probably just found a way to
throw Mobile. And I guess I don't know who I. So if it
were positionless, Mobile would jumps to my first team and I lose either Caruso
or Holiday. I'm not sure who else I would elevate, because I'd want
like a big probably, but nobody stands out as like, oh yeah,
mobiley clearly would move up to you. So maybe honest, maybe honest,
maybe honest, maybe like Anthony Davis. Maybe Annaobi counts as I guess he's
kind of a guard. I think he might qualify as a guard. I
view him as a forward. Oh no, actually I view him as a
guard. Spoiler. He's gonna be on my second team. All right,
so the second team you why don't you start with your second team. I'm
gonna start with my forwards because I still have a blank guard by I'll help
you with the guards. So and I want to know, well, maybe
I should just tell so I have Let's start with guards, and I'll tell
you everyone that I'm considering. I have Lou Dort, Jaden McDaniels. I
don't think o Giannaoby was eligible guards. I didn't consider him here. Derek
White fantastic all season, I think Dylan Brooks like those are the four names
that are just like spinning my wheels. I had Derek White, and I
have to make this decision right now. I'm gonna go with Derek White and
Jade McDaniels. Those are my second team all defensive guards. I don't feel
great about it at all. I think Derek will Derek White might be the
best help defender in the NBA at this point, and then all the defense
is still going to be fine as well. And the positional maaluability he gives
you is even just a rim protector or like defending up if someone's not super
huge, can also just chase around. Smalls is so super quick. Jane
McDaniels might just be the best on ball defender in the NBA at this point.
So and the matchup difficulty he faces is probably than anyone that I second
second to none, second to none I have. So I have this pulled
up. Jane McDaniels is among everyone who played a thousand minutes. According to
be Ball Index, he is fourth in a number of time that he spent
on the top options how they estimate the top options. Herb Jones is third,
Lue dort is second, and Dylan Brooks is first. And so I
guess Dylan Brooks could be the biggest snub here. I just feel like he
doesn't do enough of just like the all encompassing defense where it's like you Yang
Derek White, Derrik Whit's primary value probably isn't even because of what he does
on the ball, and so there's just more role versatility there to White and
McDaniels. I feel really bad about leaving Lue dort Off probably feels like my
biggest nub here. Yeah, so I had Derek White. That was one
of the easier ones for me, and I actually had Annonobi as a guard,
but I also had McDaniels on my second team. So if you could
just let me call McDaniels a guard and I move Ann and Obi to a
forward where he was I can't even remember. I just I think they're both
one of the two has to be just for the purposes here. If so,
if I can't get Annonobi or McDaniels on there at a guard spot,
I probably go Dort and then I don't know what I'm gonna do from there
for my forwards. But right now I have Annonobi and McDaniels. Evan Mobley
was an easy second team pick for me. The last spot is really tough.
So right now I have Anthony Davis. And again that's because I'm not
really caring too much about volume. But I mean, you could talk me
into, for sure Bam being in that position, even Claxton, you could
talk me into being in that position. I just I think I keep going
back to the highs of Davis where he just dominated for several games in a
row on both ends. Defense obviously is what adds here. But that's so.
That's so anyway, Mite White, Annaobi, McDaniels, Mobili Davis.
I have a last second change here. I just realized that if we're able
to move DAYE. McDaniels to forward, I didn't know he was eligible at
forward in my head, which in fury, I don't know why I didn't.
I messed up there. I've Draymond Green at center. Now he was
on my second team as a forward. Draymond Green is my center. Jannis
is a forward for me. That's where we're gonna differ. I think there,
I think they're still casing me that he's the best defender on the Bucks
and was this, Yeah, I didn't. I think brook Lopez was ultimately
more valuable. Uh, and it was easier. Jhannest was not eligible at
center as far as it's turned, so it's fitting him on the first team
was just too too difficult. But I will say, do you know who
gets bumped off because of my Draymond promotion? I have banned as my second
teams. Okay, but I'm moving. I mean, he's eligible there,
and I think Draymond was Again, I thought that you we both made a
case that Draymond could theoretically win Defensive Player of the Year. He didn't puss,
but uh. And then I moved to Lue Dort, And so I
have Derek White, Jade McDaniel's Lue Dort. Those are my two. Those
are a forward slash two guards. However, you need to manipulate Blue Dort
and Jade McDaniels get them both on there with Jannis and Draymond. That's so
what that comes down to is I have Annonobi and you don't, and I
have Davis and you don't do I should I just put Yannis in over there?
I can't do it. It Can Mobily be a center? If mobiley
can be a center, I might put Honest in over all, Right,
then Mobley is gonna be my center, and I think Jannis is gonna come
in over Davis, even though the numbers probably favored Davis. And you put
David on my first team All NBA or something. I don't know if I
got that, I don't know. Yeah, this was I mean, these
are hard. This is why I'm happy positions are being ditched, because like,
if we're being honest, like I don't really think that, like if
you look at the positional estimates like like who like I'm sorry, like Evan
Mobley shouldn't be a forward by like most like he'll probably be closer a point
of attack where you're looking at. I just I can't with this. The
having the most egregious one is actually did I yeah? Me including having mobiles
if I were on the first team feels a little bit just sort of like
two cute team. But maybe not, because he's all plays forward for his
team. I mean it's I mean, it's sort of but he plays quote
unquote forward because he's just he's kind of everywhere. Yeah, no, this
is this is gonna be and this will change. I mean, are we
gonna just not have guards on all NBA all defensive teams going forward? Because
I mean, I mean, as good as Caruso and Holiday are, like
if you're just starting it, I mean, I keep making this argument,
but this is the right way to view it. In my mind, I
think you just Biggs just matter so much more. Caruso is just the total
exception to this because you know, we've talked about before, how how are
the bull how's the Bulls defense good? Because like Bouchevich is not a good
room protector, DeRozan has not defended his whole career. Lavigne is like okay
some nights, but he's bad others. And it's just no, it's because
Caruso like makes life hell, you know, above the break, and that's
just that's how they defend. So he might be the exception, but otherwise
I'm just going bigs and forwards and switchable. You know, this could look
really different next year. I think it is the takeaway and if people are
mad, I just Caruso was still so he's if I was gonna put him
on it had the first team or bust because it was just like he was
under sixteen hundred minus but who was so good, so you might as well
just throw him on here. But I'm with you, I'm wondering if Wow,
I wonder how this is going to impact the guard situation because I'm even
looking now, but I what I've had, bam though over any of these
guards. If I think have to include these guards, I think you make
the case that like I mean, Derek White's awesome, but like Bam,
just you build the defense around me. That's not true for Derek White.
I mean, so it's it's almost unfair because guards just are not in a
position they're not capable of helping as much because they don't defend the rim.
That's just like the singular most important defensive thing. It's it's gonna be interesting,
it'll be weird. So I think I have so I'll recap mine.
First team Drew Holiday, Alice Caruso, Evan Mobile, Jarren Jackson, Junior,
Brook Lopez. Second team Derek White, Jane McDaniels, Ludor Jannis,
and Draymond Green. This is probably the exercise before you list off yours.
I was at least confident, oh for sure. Yeah, I have the
same way, So I go Caruso, Holiday, Jackson, Lopez, Draymond.
Second team is White, McDaniels, Anna Nobi, and I think I'm
gonna punt Davis for Yannis. Either Annaobi or Davis is getting the boot for
Yiannis. I can't decide an Anobi hurt. It was like it was like,
do I include him or Yannis on this? And I even I might
have had bam over on Anoby two if we just got rid of positions altogether.
So but that og was tough, and then we both of us left
off Dylan Brooks. Any thoughts on that. I mean, he's a super
hard cut. I think probably like some of what he does, some of
what makes him really good defensively also hurts because he does foul too much and
he does make dumb decisions and like offensively, not that this matters, but
man, that guy is just a train wreck on offense. So that didn't
necessarily make the decision for me. But uh, yeah, I think he
does some he does some damage, like in the wrong way defensively sometimes,
but he's still awesome, Like he's you know, there's no more than two
or three guys I would have considered over him that you know from my snub
list. Do you want to take us out of here? This was I
hate myself as promised, right, I think we nailed it. No one's
going to have any arguments with any of these picks. Yeah, So everybody,
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at GT Underscore. He was at Hardwood Knox. This was tough,
This was interesting. We might have heard. I know, we've been talking
a lot. We needed to do this though, because we and this was
by the way, this was the right decision to do this now as opposed
to like two weeks ago when we were talking about it, because that just
we needed more so anyway, Shouts out to Frank Nilikina, who did not
make all defensives this year, but still holding out hope and to apologies as
always did Jared Allen, who also did not get a mentioned