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What is krack Alac and fellow thermonuclear
a efforts. I am a Damna Valley

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coming at you with my certified fan
tabulous co host mister Grant Hughes. We

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are here to do our All NBA, All Defense and All Rookie Teams check

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out are very motherfucking law awards pod
that went like one hundred minutes. I

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would say it was thorough, Dan, I think it was comprehensive, thorough.

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I got our awesome, thorough,
comprehensive in depth awards podcast, All

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NBA, All Defense, All Rookie
here. Before we get started the usual

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question, Grant, since I talked
to you three minutes ago, how are

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you doing? I'm nervous because this
is a lot harder than the individual awards

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we just did, and I think
we're gonna differ a lot. And I

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think I also am uh concerned that
I've like forgot someone because when you're doing

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lists of you know, fifteen plus
players, it's really easy to just not

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mention someone that should be mentioned.
So that's where I'm at. Are you

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feeling confident here? I mean,
or do you know all fifteen players?

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When it comes to my livelihood in
terms of occupation. I never feel confident.

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That's why I've That's that's why I
am where I am, in the

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low place. My self confidence is
through No, that's why you've lasted this

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long is because you don't. You
don't believe you've ever proved anything I do.

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I wanted to ask you really quickly. I don't know if you saw

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Rudy Gobert got suspended by the Wolves
for the play, Yeah, we probably

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should have led. Yeah, Like
my thoughts, uh, the Timberwolves should

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stop punching so much, just across
the board. Punching has really been a

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problem for them because it's so why
so yeah, I mean it doesn't so

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what my first thought with the Gobert
thing was all those like allusions to like

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nobody likes this guy that have been
around for his whole career. Basically,

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I first thaw was I get it, like this now, I see this

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is this is what it, this
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despised. But but he did.
He privately apologized reportedly on a text thread

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of the team, and he publicly
apologized specifically to Kyle Anderson. And that's

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way more than you often get in
a situation like this. So bad look

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not great makes that trade look even
more catastrophic for Minnesota. But like credit

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to him, like he did do
the thing you're supposed to do. After

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you do the bad thing, you
just say you're sorry, and I don't

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know what else. You know,
Apologies still count for something because not everybody

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makes them. And John Cridgens,
he did say it seemed like players are

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ready to move on, but like
the suspension was inevitable after the punch.

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The woe tweet on it was just
so funny. It was Kyle Anderson called

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Rudy Gobert bitch repeatedly on a night
that he was playing injured. I had

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joked when it happened that Kyle Anderson
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assists and that yeah, I saw. I think I forget who tweeted it,

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but someone said, like, that's
the best Gobert's hands have looked all

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season. Oh man, but the
Wolves here. You give up all that

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for someone who's not going to be
available for the most name of the season,

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and then you protect someone that they
valued at least two first round picks

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in that trade who will now not
be available for the rest of the season

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because he punched a wall. That
McDaniel that is massive. Kudos to the

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game that Anthony Edwards had against the
Pelicans, who man, please don't look

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back at any of our Pelicans takes
from earlier on in the season. Those

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have aged like milk. I don't
the Wolves Lakers do they stand at the

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chance. I actually have them coming
out of the West play and this is

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gonna be dated, so we don't
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And I think they lose to the
Lakers and then I believe Rudy will be

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back by then. I think they'll
beat the Thunder or the Pelicans. But

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the Pelicans, like they've come out
of late, not necessarily that game against

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the Timberwolves on Sunday and the Thunder
a frisky But I just Anthony. I

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know they don't have Jane McDaniels,
but like Anthy Edwards is just a monster

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and Carl Anthon Town has had a
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So I think I think it's gonna
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West. Yeah. I think Lakers
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It's just so hard to be confident
in Minnesota. Although like if you don't

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think Rudy go Bear is great and
him being off the floor, like how

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which way does that cut? I
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maybe it's a good thing. Yeah, I can't. I don't know how

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I feel about Okay c versus New
Orleans as like which of the it's the

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Lakers for sure, And then I
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I guess I picked Minnesota because I
like Edwards so much, but I just

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I don't feel comfortable like having faith
in them right now. It's so hard

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to come back from what a ridiculous
outcome, like just two guys like Jane

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McDaniels is super important to that team. So I don't know what to do

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with them. We should get into
All NBA though, right, Yes,

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and so the very quickly we talked
more about our criteria for the awards,

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but it bears repeating here because I
do think it kind of impacted me more

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here with All NBA. I tried
to tell the story of what we're going

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to remember from this season, and
if it was just specifically saying I think

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so and so's the if I think
Steph Curry's the best player in the league,

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he would have made first All NBA. Some people first team all on

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me. Some people approach it like
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or minutes requirements that the league is
going to have next year. I still

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think that's window dressing. They care
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But anyway, I valued playing time
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bit more flexible when it came to
the back end of the bout where third

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team. If I thought guys their
season ended two earlier, they didn't play

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enough minutes, and I would have
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That's kind of the spot I reserved
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above fucking around with positions that the
NBA allowed you to fuck around with,

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because I wanted to make sure that
by telling the story of this season,

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I wanted to capture the story of
the season and who are the most outstanding

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actors or performers in that story.
And that's how I went about this.

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You went at it a little bit
differently, which I also think it's fine,

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but I'm trying to be This year
was all about consistent consistency of my

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thought process, and so I tried
to really zero in on that. Yeah,

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no, I think, look,
we don't have criteria for this,

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so how whatever whatever floats your boat
in terms of how how are you're going

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to figure make these tough decisions for
me? So it's a little it's kind

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of similar to yours. I think
the key difference is I just it's not

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quite it's different from MVP, first
of all, for me, specifically with

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respect to how much playing time matters
and how much volume matters, because it's

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not to me, this isn't about
just strictly value. It's there's some component

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of what you're talking about with telling
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we're just sitting down and having conversation, some component of this is also like,

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yeah, but who's actually the best
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we're considering for a spot, which
makes it pretty unscientific in a lot of

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cases. But that's okay. That
this is an MVP. It's different.

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So what I did is I just
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If you played fifty five games or
more, you're in contention for me.

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If you played fifty four or fewer, sorry, you just weren't. And

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like, you're very anti Kevin Durant. You're just a ridiculous number of these

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I will scorned Warriors. Yeah,
this is the problem is when I did

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this earlier in the season for BR
I had Durant. I can't remember what

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team. I must have been second
team, because the first team forwards are

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pretty easy. I had him on
there, and I was like, well,

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he might make it past fifty.
He might not, But I just

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I thought of it more like you
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the season. How can we keep
Durant out of an All NBA team because

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he's he was an MVP candidate for
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the season. He just falls short. I just maybe it's because I wanted

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to simplify it, But if you
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If you played fifty five or if
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little to me. So I've just
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clear and I'm willing to make some
decisions based on volume, but it almost

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it matters very little relative to you
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how impactful all that other stuff.
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But again, these are all kind
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speaking, I think than some of
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do you want to lead us off? Do you want to give us?

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Should we start with the guards and
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That's what I was saying, So
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here. Guards were one bath and
do you want to Can I listen all

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the names that I think needed to
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at large for guards, Go for
it, and I'll add any that you

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don't have, because I got a
lot of also mentioned. Also, I

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will say, because Paul George and
Jalen Brown are both eligible, I forward

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I did not include them even in
my guarden because it just wasn't happening for

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either of them if I looped them
in his guards. Okay, I have

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Devin and this is just an alphabetical
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Devin Booker, Jalen Brunton, Steph
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Darren Fox, Darius Garland, Shake
Gilges, Alexander Tyrese, Haliburton, James

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Trey Young. Did I miss anybody? I think you got everybody that I

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had. I actually forgot to put
Trey Young. I'm I also considered,

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but he definitely belongs. That's like
if there was an all NBA team,

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right, not a serious creation,
but it's like it's Tree Young, like,

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guy, I did he leave the
league and assist total assists again pen

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just like clockwork or whatever. It
was like that. That's just like,

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uh so my first team I had, and I think, I don't think

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this is controversial. I'd shake Gill, just Alexander who was fourth on both

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of our MVP ballots. I believe. Then I had Donovan Mitchell. When

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you're Trump, you want to talk
about capturing what happened this season? Diamond

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Mitchell through and through comes in without
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rough patches this season. That's the
twenty four hundred plus minutes without even playing

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in seventy games. By the way, is one of the most efficient off

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the dribble jump shooters in the NBA. His defense is night and day better

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than it was while he was with
Utah in the final season, two seasons

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whatever, and turned the Calves,
not himself, but turned the Calves into

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just this bona fide contender where you
if you look at stats, I'm not

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saying that Caps would be the title
favorites, but they're like they should be

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like second or third if you're just
going by like just some of the advanced

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metrics. I think he was a
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as Darius Garland came back, as
Evan Mobley grew, I think his case

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faded a little bit. But he
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Do I think Steph is the better
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pay played twenty four hundred plus minutes, which is noticeably more than a Steph

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Curry here. And when you look
at the value proposition of having Donovan Mitchell

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on offense, his fit in the
larger context of what Cleveland is doing,

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as well as just what the shock
creation does for them in the clutch,

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in you know, in big games
coming up in the playoffs, but just

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overall their half court offense. I
think it's a big deal. And he

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had a monster season. Yeah,
I think so. We agree on SGA

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as a first teamer. I guess
that's maybe. I don't know how controversial

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that'll be. I don't think it
should be. So my other first team

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guard is Steph, and I acknowledge
that just a lot of the catch all

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stats and the cumulative numbers say that
certainly, and maybe even a couple other

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guys. Dame Lillard is another one, and Luca should probably be ahead of

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stuff. For me, those numbers
are all close enough. And the fact

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that Curry again leads basically everyone we've
mentioned in true shooting percentage. He got

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to nineteen hundred and forty minutes,
which is all these other guys we've talked

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about are two thousand plus and SGA's
way up at like twenty four hundred,

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with Mitchell again that the minutes and
games didn't really matter. Steph played fifty

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six games, so he cleared my
super hard hard to clear threshold that was

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to get him in here. But
yes, yeah, do you get him

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in here into snub Devin Booker in
his fifty four games. But I think

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the numbers for me are close enough
between him and like Lillard specifically, who

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is really the other guy that I
thought hardest about that and Curry does have

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advantages in some that just like he
Curry just is different than all these other

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guys because of the off ball stuff, because of all the unquantifiable, you

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know, impact, And I think, if you're going to fudget, which

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I admit i'm doing here a little
bit, little bit, I'm gonna fudget

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in favor of, you know,
the most consequential basketball player of this generation

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in terms of like who's changed how
the sport has played. So he's getting

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a little bumped there like a lifetime
achievement ish thing. But I mean he

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he's still the same guy. He's
still just the most you know, dynamic

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offensive guard that there is. And
I think the numbers were you know,

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close enough and favored him in enough
cases that I had to just put him

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first team just because it feels it
felt like the right It felt like the

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right decision to me. And I
will readily admit all my bias homerism and

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all that other stuff. I don't
think it's in again for the way you

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want about it. I think it's
perfectly arguable. I think so I had

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Steph went to my third team,
that was just order the fungible. Had

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he played in like maybe five more
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of minutes another few hundred. That
case would have been easier for me to

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make. I had on my second
team, I have Daron Fox and Luca

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Danchich. I thought about Luke Entres
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waiting the end of the season just
too heavily. Here he was. He

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felt like an MVP lock for like
the first twenty games where Jason Tatum was

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there and then it was him.
He carried the mass to the four seat

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at one point. He was still
spectacular on offense. The fit with Irving

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wasn't perfect. He didn't have the
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when you look at the number of
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to bump it down to third team
for you know, Steph Curry or Dame

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Lillard. Maybe, but Fox clutches
player in basketball. This year he proved

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a great deal. The pressure he
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game is is legitimate. I do
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even though the Kings weren't good on
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Darren Fox were just like if we
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those are the guys you moved down
to third team, but because of how

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much Fox played, how impactful he
was to the Kings, where it's I

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think you could it's one of those
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to the Kings, but Darren Fox
is clearly their best player. Because we

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might unlock everything they do, but
it doesn't mean a thing, Like part

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of the unlocking is just the Aaron
Fox exists. Yeah, I agree with

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that, So did so. I
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my third team guards, so you
had you had Mitchell little higher than me,

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and I guess Fox too, so
do we. And Luca is my

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second team, is on my second
team, and like his statistical case,

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just if that's all you're going by, he should be on the first team

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just full stop. But I think
some of the defense, some of the

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leadership stuff. Again, we're just
getting away from the numbers, which is

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kind of I think that's that makes
for a better discussion and it makes for

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just a more holistic look at like
what player is. So I don't think

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that's invalid to just say I don't
care that he has a nine point zero

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box plus minus which crushes everybody else
that's in this conversation an EPM, he's

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the best all all this other stuff. Do we mention Dame because I have

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Dame as a second teamer, so
this might be as a nice recap.

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My first team is SGA, Donovan
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My third team is Steph and Dame. And I thought Game was gonna

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end up being my first team guard
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I was just like, Okay,
he's played more than twenty one hundred minutes

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and I don't really know how to
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minutes that he was on the court. But it's just like, you know,

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Anthony Edwards leaving Anthy Edwards off kind
of gutted me here. Yeah,

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and so it's just like I don't
really know, I didn't know how to

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value it, but it was just
you were you were not only were you

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shut down, you were talking about
shutting it down before you were even shut

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down. I just it mattered to
me, I think too. And again,

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like he had the best season of
his career by the way he did,

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which of a Hall of Fame career. With a million All Star births

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like he's he was phenomenal. He
was. He was a first teamer for

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me too, over Steph until you
know, until what the last handful of

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weeks. I think, like the
defense from Dame matters a little bit,

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not that we care that much about
it for an award for all NBA stuff

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like this, just especially among guards
because none of these guys really are I

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guess who's the best defensive guard of
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Is it? Like? Is it
Mitchell? Is it? It's probably

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Stay, I think, but it's
not. No, it's not Dame,

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and it's not it's not Fox,
It's not I mean, Steph's probably in

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the top three for for that matter. Yeah, Dame, I just couldn't

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quite get there. Him and Curry
were their numbers are really similar, and

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I just went with the guy that
ultimately is on the better team and I

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think makes a bigger impact. Who
is your first? Like was your hardest

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cut? Like? Was that was
it? Edwards? Like it was Booker

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full stop? I think Devin Booker, Tyri Shlbert didn't play enough either,

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and then Edwards Those were my three
toughest cuts. But Devin Booker bought full

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stop, having the best season of
his career, but just hasn't played a

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ton and I think he finished He's
fishing with a hair under in minutes compared

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to Steph Curry and so like,
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I might have excuse me gone,
I'm trying to make sure that I'm

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not wrong on the total minutes there. Well, but for me, he

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had fifty four games, which is
just like one. I don't know if

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he played fifty five or fifty six, I'm not sure I would have put

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him on ahead of these six guys
even then. But it made it easy

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for me because what it ultimately was, it was tough to crack the Largesse

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sample from Shay, Luca, Fox
and Mitchell. And then also, if

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you're not going to beat out one
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more outstanding than Damian Lillard or Steph. I don't think Booker was either.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think rank
guards who we think are the most valuable

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guards right now, he might be
two or three, like Steph is highest

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to me. I don't know what
to do with Donch, to be honest

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with you, and maybe it's a
weird time to be evaluating don Chich,

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Like it's just now and now it's
not a good time to like form opinions

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about him. I don't think who
was your toughest cuts. It's probably Booker.

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I weirdly had like a hard time
with with Harden just because some of

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the numbers and he's like some of
the numbers paint him as really effective.

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I don't know other than Booker,
who was made easier for me just because

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he didn't meet my games qualification.
I guess Edwards's Morant, Like I guess,

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I mean Morant was a little tough, just because again, if you're

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just picking the best guards in the
league, I feel like he's at least

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in the conversation for the top six. I mean, all these guys are

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in the conversation. But yeah,
probably that Haliburton I love, but wasn't

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that hard of a cut for me
just because his team sucked and he was

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awesome. But like that's another one
too, where it's like he's got time,

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he's gonna he's gonna make an All
NBA team eventually. Yeah, so

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who did you have? Do you
want to start us off? For forwards?

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Which I think was probably the toughest. There was a guards, but

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forward felt forward felt tough. I
mean, the first team was maybe the

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easiest position for me, just because
it's it's Tatum and it's the honest.

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I think you could, I think
it was available to fudget and have Tatum

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become a guard, but I don't
know why you'd ever do that, just

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because there are like the forwards get
difficult down down ballot, like a lot

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like a guard situation would have been
made worth by putting Katum. I also

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saw Luca inteligible and forward, and
so it doesn't that kind of canceled that

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out too? Yeah? Maybe maybe
so Yeah, I mean like that is

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an interesting case because Luca is so
clearly a guard offensively, but he doesn't

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guard guards, and a lot of
times you define positions by who they can

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defend. I didn't even really think
for a second it would have been a

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lot easier because we could have just
moved Luca onto the forward spots and then

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just picked another good guard. Maybe
I should have done that. Yeah I

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didn't though. So anyway, it's
the honest and Tatum. That's that's easy.

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Two top five MVP guys. Tatum
played a ton of minutes was great,

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average thirty. The honest is a
down years like thirty, eleven and

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five, and the true shooting is
down a little bit. He's missing.

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I just like, we're not going
to badmouth those two guys, I unless

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you were really gonna go with a
super small sample guy like CHAOI Durant and

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just not care about volume. I
don't know how you get away from Tatum

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and Jannest for the first team.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think

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there's an argument to put unless you're
gonna move again Tatum to guard and put

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don chitch it forward. And he
thought, yeah, I don't know who's

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on your second team. I feel
like this is just where things could.

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I think there's one Butler. All
right, yes, we agree, Butler

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is a lot on the second team. I think those were the three forward

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locks for me were Jimmy, Johannis
and Tatum, and I was just like,

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those three are on I don't I
think some advanced metrics would make the

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case for Jimmy Overtatum. I can't
do it because I feel like you're inherently

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limited on offense. Just the way
that he plays. He's so valuable,

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but him not being an efficient jump
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I don't want to say it hurts
you, but it definitely limits or

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specifies how you must build your offense
out. Yeah, then go what,

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Let's watch Jimmy Butler. I'll play
Tatum in the first round series. Right,

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we agree? But I just want
to throw that out there as some

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cover. So Butler easy from here. It's like, I just don't know,

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man. So first of all,
I didn't consider Kevin Durant. He

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obviously would have been in one of
these spots because I haven't done for forty

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seven games. I did this a
couple of days ago. Kauhi was also

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not a consideration for me because he
got to fifty games. Had he played

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more, he absolutely would have been
second team at worst. So I got

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I got market In as my other
second team forward. I don't feel good

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about it. Uh, but like
I just, I mean, the stistical

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case is pretty solid. Like he's
just he scored a ton, he scored

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efficiently. He did He wasn't a
catch and shoot guy. He just you

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know, there's nobody else where.
I clearly think this person had a better

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season than marking in. If you're
accounting for volume, like at all,

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there's there's plenty that should beat him
out for the spot if you don't care

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about the games threshold. But I
just I didn't know what to do with

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him. So does one does marking
in make any of these teams for you?

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And I guess he's probably not on
your second team. Oh he wasn't

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my second team. Yeah, all
right. If you want to talk about

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the story of this season, it's
a marketing and just the availability from him,

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the way he opened up the Jazz
offense. We did not have him

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for Most Improved Player that went to
Shay. I don't think that looks egregious

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at all because we had Shay foreign
MVP and then on first team all NBA.

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It's do I think he's better than
a lot of players. But no,

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I couldn't even just looking at the
minutes gap, I don't even I

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couldn't come up with like a great
case to put him in front of Excuse

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me, Anthony, I couldn't put
come up with a good case, but

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Anthony Davis in front of marketing right
now? Who's eligible forward as well?

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Or even if you wanted to go
with with Jaren Jackson Junior and we're talking

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about someone who basically averaged like what
twenty five and five on like splits of

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almost shooting sixty percent on two,
he was about forty percent from three,

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shooting in outrageous. Was he above
ninety from the fall line or he was

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at least like super high, super
hight up. There's an eighty seven point

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five fifty eight point five percent on
two's thirty one point one percent on three's

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overall true shooting of sixty four.
That's just that's wild to me. Yeah,

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who did you? How did you
do your third team? Because that's

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where we start talking about snubs and
how how we bounced people off. Okay,

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so Lebron made it barely. He
played fifty five games exactly, and

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just like I get it. I
think anyone who's watched him this year year,

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it's like he's not athletically, he's
not the same guy. Defensively,

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he's taking more plays off, like
he's just you know, shooting thirty two

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percent from three, which is the
worst he's shot since what fifteen sixteen,

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I think, But he's still at
twenty nine points, six point eight assists,

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eight point three rebounds, shooting fifty
percent exactly, from the floor,

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not getting the line as much as
in his heyday, but like you know,

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almost six attempts a game is still
solid. He still runs that offense

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when he's out there. I just
again, I think Durant would be in

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this spot. I think Kawai would
be in this spot if they cleared the

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gameplay threshold. But I went with
Lebron. And then the last pick is

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like, right now, I have
Julius Randall and I hate it, and

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I want to pick Jaren Jackson or
like or Draymond Green or you know,

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Evan Mobley or somebody, but I
had to. I just went Randall,

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and that, ultimately, I think
was kind of a volume decision because he

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just played so much more than most
of the other guys I considered. So

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I'm I gotta believe you don't have
Randall on your third team. I actually

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do not. I don't. So
my third team spots in my document right

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now are blank because I was trying
to figure out I don't know how to

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handle the Kevin Durant, because I
said my third team was gonna be more

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fundible that Kevin Durant, Kauai Lebron
stuff, and I look at it like

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when you break it down between Kawhi, Durant and Lebron and even a D

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that's also what made this tough because
he's eligible forward. I don't think the

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Durrant just can't be here because he
didn't even playing fifty games, and like,

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that's just I didn't have a threshold
to cut it off at, but

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fifty games, like he didn't play
in fifty games, doesn't even play in

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seventeen hundred minutes. That's just so
tough. And yet I thought Kauai was

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probably the most outstanding of everyone,
especially because it was for so much of

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the season since basically December. But
he's it seventeen fifty and played in fifty

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two games. Lebron and a D
are both over nineteen hundred, and I

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was like, well, how do
I feel about putting two Lakers on this

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team for forwards? And so I
eventually settled on Anthony Davis, and then

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I have Kawai because I think that
he was the most outstanding of these four

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within their samples. And I used
Anthony Davis because I think he's gonna get

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not I don't want to say the
shaft, but he's eligible forward, and

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so I'm gonna pounce on it.
Yeah, and I think he would spectacular.

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You talked about how he probably deserved
to have more love in the defensive

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Player of the Year discussion, and
I think that that would probably be accurate.

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He's been on He's had like these
just pockets of tears offensively that I

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think have been huge for the Lakers. He's been again, he's played identic

405
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,920
minutes to Lebron James. I think
Anthony Davis is at nineteen oh four Lebron's

406
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,359
at nineteen fifty four. The Lakers
have about scored opponents by more points with

407
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,480
Anthony Davis on the court than with
Lebron on the court. In totality.

408
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,119
I get Lebron's importance to the offense. I totally get it. Anthony Davis

409
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,960
was just sort of a like the
two way value he's providing, and I

410
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,720
just it was I didn't want to
put two Lakers on here. I'm not

411
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,319
trying to be Lakers, but like, did two Lakers on the you know,

412
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,839
because they end up being seven,
Like having two players from the seven

413
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,160
seed felt so weird and I normally
don't value that. I think it was

414
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,240
also because we talked about do you
think it's fair to put one of these

415
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,599
I guess four or two of these
four without putting all four on the ballot.

416
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,720
That's why I did the game threshold. It just takes that out of

417
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,920
my hands. It's just it removed
because look, if I were if I

418
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,759
had slightly different criteria, I think
Kawhi and Durant should both like no Brainer

419
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,119
be over Lebron should be over,
marking In should be over Randall, And

420
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,160
I mean you could even make arguments, at least maybe with respect to Tatum

421
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,799
that like when Durant was cooking,
he was just better than Tatum was at

422
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,960
any point that year, And same
with Kawhi. Jannie is a different kind

423
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,680
of thing. But it just I'm
glad I did. That's part of the

424
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,720
reason I did it that way is
because it just made the decisions for me.

425
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,079
So yeah, I don't know.
I think if I thought you were

426
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:51,440
going to just go Kawhi and Durant
and just get it over with. But

427
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:56,079
Davis, because I'm Davis, I
just called him a center. But like

428
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,000
to be able to just get him
in there at forward, I think makes

429
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,519
things a lot easier. I just
decided to put him in there, and

430
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:03,799
it was just you know, leaving
off. I didn't know what to do

431
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,319
with Jayon Brown, the jump shooting
kind of falling off. Not as much

432
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,960
of a creator as some of the
other guys here, like said Kevin Durant,

433
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,680
I don't think he played enough to
make it hard on me. Julius

434
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,319
Randel got about in Pascal Siakam didn't
have like the strongest eleventh hour to the

435
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,119
season. So there were like a
lot of names. Jared Jackson Junior might

436
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,000
even make some ballots, and I
can't if you're gonna just say, hey,

437
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:27,799
he's the defensive player of the year
top three and most improved player as

438
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,920
well. I get it. I
totally get it. Yeah, all right,

439
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,720
so we got I mean, centers, I get you mean. I

440
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,720
think I mentioned Draymond Green was like
a just a peripheral consideration at forward,

441
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,039
which is weird because I guess he
starts at forward most nights, but he's

442
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:47,279
best deployed as a center. So
first team center. You're ready for that?

443
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,160
I mean, so I picked up
debate all over again. Right,

444
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,000
So this is the thing. Normally
this would be a different consideration, right,

445
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,400
because it's an MVP is different than
all NBA for what every reason.

446
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,920
We've just decided it's different, and
you know, volume matters less and valuable

447
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,559
is different than the story of the
season. Actually, because I beat and

448
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,559
Yokis kind of have such similar numbers
and played similar minute totals and games and

449
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,160
all that stuff, it's the same
for me. So I have Yoki as

450
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,039
my first team center, and I
don't know that we need to rehash everything

451
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,880
all most slash, all the advanced
numbers like yokis better. The on off

452
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,160
stuff dramatically favors yokich However, you
cut that up basically, whether you care

453
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,359
about how bad Denver is without him, I think that actually is a point

454
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,079
in this favor because it shows the
team that he's elevating. You just the

455
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,400
Nuggets are better with Yokich on than
the Sixers are with and beat on.

456
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160
It's very close. Everybody's welcome to
pick em beat here, but I'm just

457
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,440
gonna stick with Yokich. I also
had as MVP. Yeah, I had

458
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,519
Yokich as MVP as well, and
also first team center. Please go check

459
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,039
out I echo everything. Granted we
went thirty plus minutes basically or thirty minutes

460
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,119
on the MVP discussion, so please
go check out that podcast. But this

461
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,319
isn't either or situation. You could
I won't unless you're gonna say Yokich is

462
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,119
trash and it's clearly abide, or
you're just gonna saying, well, it's

463
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,200
a bad's turn, which I think
is unfair to Embiade and the case that

464
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,200
he built Yoki's first team in beiad
second team. And I don't think there's

465
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,240
there's no argument against having those two
is you're even if he were super high

466
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200
on Anthony Davis and don't care about
minutes, he didn't even have a case

467
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,480
to dethrone one of these two.
Who's your third team center? That's kind

468
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
of the interest because you got you
got Davis out of the way forward and

469
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,759
I put demas a bonus there.
I think, is there even anyone else

470
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:33,000
who would have a case over him, Like could Bam get in there?

471
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,519
Maybe? I don't think Mobley hasn't
done it necessarily enough on offense this season

472
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:38,880
to get there. I mean,
just sa bonus what he's able his two

473
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,160
man game with basically everybody on the
King's the way he's been able to unlock

474
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:47,200
their offense. He's been really important
as a defensive rebounder, for them.

475
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,839
There was also a huge stretch of
this season where like they couldn't navigate the

476
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,839
minutes with him off the floor.
He's been wildly important to the function of

477
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,920
their offense and the shots that not
only the shots that they generate with him

478
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,240
on the court, with his vision
he can work from the outside in with

479
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,440
the bonus hands, but the way
that and there's I don't know if there's

480
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,960
a way of measuring this. I'm
sure there's proprietary data that has it,

481
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,400
but like sometimes offenses can seem homogeneous, but like the Kings, all of

482
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,359
a sudden, there's all this off
ball movement from guys, and I feel

483
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,680
like it's because the bonus, Like
Fox, if you look at him moving

484
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,240
off the ball, sometimes it's bonus
unlocks that because you know that he's waiting

485
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,599
for it, and I don't.
I really didn't. Again, I talked

486
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,640
about some names just now, but
I really didn't consider anyone else aside from

487
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960
him for third team center. Yeah, I had Davis as my third team

488
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:38,599
center, which was a real I
feel like it was an easier pick for

489
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,839
me, and I'm glad I had
him there because for me, like the

490
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,839
I agree with what you said about
Sabonis, I just think the defensive component,

491
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Like there's a reason the Kings are
ship on defense, and it's he's

492
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,640
the most important defensive player on the
floor and he's just not good at it.

493
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,559
So it would have been hard for
me to choose between like Sabonis and

494
00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,599
Bam and even like Jaren Jackson or
like I don't know if you could low

495
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240
key christophs Porzingis had a freaking awesome
season, Like, yeah, I wouldn't

496
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,440
have picked him for third team center, but like he looks, he looked

497
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,799
he was really good this year.
Brook Lopez probably wouldn't have made it,

498
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:14,799
but but and Mobile, I'm not
sure as a center, So I s

499
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,359
Bonus would have been the hardest cut
there, I guess. But Davis just

500
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,119
I mean you talked about it in
your forward case, like Davis had stretches

501
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,920
of the season where not just defensively
where he was like a fringe defensive player

502
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,759
of the Year Kennedy, but offensively
is going for like forty and twenty.

503
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:32,240
I mean, like he his height, his highs are just so much higher

504
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,720
than anybody button been in yokich and
got to like just enough of them for

505
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:38,400
me to get him in there as
a third teen. I lovely didn't even

506
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,240
have to decide between the two because
I put Davis head forward in part from

507
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,880
that reason. He's on your team. You don't have to go crazy,

508
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,359
not hate, not liking my Davis
pick, trying to stay with my consistency.

509
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:49,319
I might have. I still would
have gone to bonus. I think

510
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,880
it was like an eight hundred plus
minute gap between and that's that's huge.

511
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Yeah, you want to do you
want all rookie or all defense? Next,

512
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,880
Let's do all rookie should be quick. I think let's do all rookie.

513
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,880
I just have to find my list
here so you can start us off

514
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,720
if you want. Yeah, So
on my first team the ball rookie,

515
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,720
there are I think there are three
locks for first team all Rookie. Pablo

516
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:15,039
Benko, Jalen Williams, and Walker
Kessler would be be in agreement. They're

517
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:16,400
also hooray for no positions on this
one. I love it. Yeah,

518
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,759
thank god. Yeah, I would
agree, And I think the next guy

519
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,759
is probably Keegan Murray. Not necessarily
a lock, but I think for me,

520
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:27,359
he feels like clearly the fourth best
rookie is do you have him on

521
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,200
your first team Yeah, he's on
my first team as is. And I

522
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,240
don't want to say this hurts,
because it doesn't hurt. It's Ben mcmathren.

523
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,720
His close to the season for like
half the season just didn't shoot well,

524
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,920
but super high volume. I think
he's gonna have more to offer on

525
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,640
the balls. They trust him differently
and things he can open up for their

526
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,200
offense. Just that volume to be
as a rookie and to have that volume

527
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:51,240
through and through. I don't even
have to look at minutes played to tell

528
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:52,839
you that he was probably like he
had easily be. Oh he actually wasn't,

529
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,640
so I'm wrong, but he cleared
twenty two hundred minutes. But he

530
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,799
was one of the sixth most played
rookies. And to actually be one of

531
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,799
this it's most played rookies when Rick
Carlisle's your head coach, I know that

532
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,039
you're a little rebuild. But he
got a lot of guards on that team

533
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,359
too, a lot of guards to
fill those spots. So I mean,

534
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,359
by the way, INDI just having
two of the top seven played rookies is

535
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,359
hysterical. So I don't think he
was a lock. But did you have

536
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,039
our our first teams the same?
I don't think they are based on they're

537
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,839
not they're not that that was the
hardest. The first four spots were just

538
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,200
like no brainers, very easy.
So I have Tarry Eason as a first

539
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,279
teamer, and I feel like that
has the potential to look really bad because

540
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:35,480
he's such a weird player and he
might be something we look back years from

541
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,759
now and he's just you know,
not in a rotation or because he's just

542
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,400
so much of what he does well
is he plays really hard. He's disruptive

543
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,799
on defense, he chases down rebounds, he runs the floor like it's a

544
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,359
lot of weird and tangible. I
mean you can some of it is tangible

545
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,519
if you look at the NBA's hustle
stats and you know, deflections and all

546
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,079
that kind of stuff. But Matherin
is just such a I feel like we

547
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,279
understand what Matherin's going to be,
you know, just he's gonna be this

548
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,680
guy that gets the foul line and
scores and that's valuable. It'll have a

549
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,440
long career. Easton. I don't
know. I just think this year his

550
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:10,119
impact was huge. And it's a
weird team to evaluate because the Rockets were

551
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,039
just you know, kind of a
disaster and the things that he was good

552
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:20,400
at stood out so much. But
he's just like I just think he I

553
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,599
just think he did more than than
Mathering. It's it's close, like,

554
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,400
for example, in estimated wins on
EPM, that's the cumulative stat you're your

555
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,880
best rookies are Kessler's number one,
because every stat loves Walker Kessler, Williams

556
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,119
to Murray three and then Easton's four. He's ahead of bank Rams of estimated

557
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,280
wins at it. So I mean
that's that's a decent decent Uh. It

558
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,880
was enough basically to sway me for
him. Second teams where it gets interesting

559
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,920
though, because there's just you go
a lot of different directions here. So

560
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,480
do you have math You have Mathron
on your second team though for sure?

561
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,480
Yeah, easy, easy pick.
And I have Eason on my second team.

562
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,440
So that's you know, one of
the spots each for us gone.

563
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,199
I tried, this is my thought
on but I don't even know if he's

564
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,960
gonna make pools all rookie lists.
I tried to get him on the first

565
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,119
team and I couldn't. I am
so all the way in on Jeremy Sellen.

566
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,960
I have him as a second team. I think he ultimately played enough

567
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,920
to get there. He only ended
up at fifty six games in total,

568
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,480
almost fifteen hundred minutes, though the
efficiency numbers are all over the place.

569
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,280
He just progressively improved when he switched
to one hand free throw shooting, was

570
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,199
able to lock that down, and
so his sixty nine point eight percent free

571
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,199
throw percentage doesn't really tell the story
of his entire season. He has great

572
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,119
feel as a passer, great malluability
as a defender, and he's had some

573
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:31,360
higher scoring games as well. I
think there are points where he can be

574
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,920
a little bit too passive as a
score He feels like the guy that if

575
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,840
Dyson Daniels had played more in New
Orleans. Like that type of a player

576
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,679
does fill so many different holes,
But I think there's that ultimate and I'm

577
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,360
not differentiating from Dyson Daniels here.
I'm just saying there's there's an even higher

578
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,480
end ceiling there. If you're gonna
put the ball in his hands on offense,

579
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:55,079
We'll see how the jumper comes along. But he was an easy second

580
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,639
team inclusion for me, mostly because
I tried by else to fit him on

581
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,519
the first team. Because I'm so
much in a believer and what I saw

582
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,760
from him. Yeah, I have
him on my second team as well.

583
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,840
He's another kind of weird player.
Like his swing skill is obviously gonna be

584
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,320
canny make jump shots down the line. Have we talked about how much I

585
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,639
love the one hand free throw change
that he made like that, I just

586
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,000
like also the hair, well,
the hair for sure, I mean he

587
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,559
I mean, how many guys do
you think have had coaches say, hey,

588
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,920
you might want to try this.
It's gonna look stupid, but I

589
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,599
think it's gonna work, and guys
just won't do it. You know.

590
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,119
You used to hear that a lot
about like underhand shots, like why doesn't

591
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,360
Shaq just shoot a granny It'll go
in like it's doable, and for se

592
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,199
him to do it and then and
then have it work, it's like good

593
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,239
for him, man, Like that's
just that's just caring about what's going to

594
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,360
be effective and not the optics of
it, because it looks like, come

595
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,400
on, man, are you really
gonna shoot one hand free throws? But

596
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,679
he didn't. It worked so single
most if there were a most improved skill

597
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,639
for the season, he would probably
win it for changing the one handed free

598
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:59,559
throws. So we have math well, Eason and Mathern. We differ on

599
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,119
so hands on my second team as
well, Jay and Ivy. Pretty easy

600
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,760
pick for me for the second team. Shooting the three ball well to close

601
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,599
the year. Just better decision maker, especially even after leaving his feet.

602
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:15,079
The passing is there. I'm curiously
does the off the dribble touch come along

603
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,079
a little bit more over sustainable over
like a longer sample, he had a

604
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,320
first team case. I think actually
by the end of the year, I

605
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,800
think he had a first first team
case. It's just it was tough the

606
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:28,119
four. I didn't mention him as
a lock Keegan Murdy was locked in as

607
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,199
just there wasn't like a good case
against him. You had to beat out

608
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,960
that final spot. And I think
you could have just went a number of

609
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,559
different directions there, maybe like two
or three players up for consideration, and

610
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,519
I think someone like Eason or even
someone like Mathin who had stronger starts and

611
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,639
maybe more sustainable success over the course
of the season than Ivy did. If

612
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,840
he were ups and downs or wild
swings, that's why you don't pick him.

613
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,719
But I think Ivy has a first
team case, and I think too

614
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,679
it's worth mentioning that. Other than
probably Bank Carrow and Williams. I think

615
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,360
Ivy has the highest ceiling still.
I mean there's another guy on the second

616
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,840
team that might have something to say
about that, but I think Ivy has

617
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,000
as highest ceiling as anybody but those
two, and maybe even higher. You

618
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,519
just don't know, right, Like, point guard is a really hard position

619
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,480
to play, and he had gotten
by on being the most athletic guy in

620
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:13,679
the gym forever, and he just
had to learn how to slow down,

621
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,119
how to read the defense, how
to guard. He just had to learn

622
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,599
a lot of stuff. And I
think his run towards the end of the

623
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,599
year proved that, Like, yeah, that that's happening. So athletically,

624
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,880
he's still just I mean, there
aren't a lot of guys that can move

625
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,679
like he does. So I think
I think he's This may look like a

626
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840
pretty not based on the season he
had, but where he might end up

627
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,559
him being a second teamer in this
class, I look kind of wild down

628
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,119
the line as opposed to you know, he like Tari Easton, for example,

629
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,480
There's no chance Tari Easton has the
ceiling that that Jade and Ivy does

630
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,880
not. That that's what this is
about. So the other one, so

631
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,360
we'll do when we differ on I'm
pretty sure we differ. I had Jalen

632
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,679
Duran as a second teamer, and
just like he played a lot for a

633
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,159
rookie, played in a lot of
and he played in a lot of games

634
00:38:55,199 --> 00:39:00,400
at decent number of minutes. I
don't know that he was good, say,

635
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960
but that's kind of where we are
in the rookie situation right now.

636
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,159
Like all these guys were probably that
negatives on the floor, but I think

637
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,480
his athleticism, like the flirtation with
more than just being a dunker, was

638
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:16,079
encouraging to me. He's another very
high ceiling guy, even though non stretch,

639
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:20,119
non switch centers only have so high
of a ceiling. But for his

640
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,159
player type, I think he could
be really significant and impactful. But you

641
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:28,039
had somebody other than during right that. So we have run the difference here.

642
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,239
I have Andrew Demhard. I mean, he played so many minutes guarded

643
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,320
his defense, and he had like
really high offensive moments, some of these

644
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,360
scoring outburst But the defense for me, one of already just the better on

645
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,679
ball defenders that can be moved,
like defend up down. You're not gonna

646
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,559
find a lot of players to defend
down on looking at the size and can

647
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,760
defend up and the level of difficulty
on the assignments he was chasing around.

648
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,519
I mean, Miles Turner's clearly Indie's
most valuable defender. But like when you're

649
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:58,400
talking about matchup versatility, there's Andrew
dem Hard. It's just in the class

650
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,599
and the only I guess, unless
you're like super high on you saw from

651
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,239
u Ni Smith this season, so
he was fairly easy for me. But

652
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,079
I don't think you had him on
your second team. I did not.

653
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,880
I mean, he probably would be
the next guy on if I had to

654
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,239
pick, if I had to pull
from the just missed it list, just

655
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,599
for like steady and to your point, like it's not very common for a

656
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,880
rookie, let alone like a not
a big rookie guard slash wing to be

657
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,880
assigned like real legitimate defensive responsibilities,
but he definitely did, and that I

658
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,320
think really that distinguishes him from I'm
just looking at literally everybody else that we

659
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,239
consider. I guess, so Sohan
probably is has the greater defensive versatility in

660
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,599
my matter moral going forward, But
in terms of like right now, I

661
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,000
think them Hard is totally justifiable pick
the other guy we have together here is

662
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,039
is Shaden Sharp on our second team. And for me, like, I'm

663
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,960
so skeptical of all his ridiculous numbers
that are pumping his stats up down the

664
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,280
stretch here because the Blazers have just
mailed it in and given him, you

665
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,280
know, super high usage in forty
minutes to just explore the space. But

666
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,679
at the same time, like he
is showing that he's not just you know,

667
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,320
yea dunks. He's more than you
know, the just the guy that

668
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:21,119
has a highlight every other game or
sometimes multiple highlights in the same game.

669
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,760
Thirty six percent from three forty seven
point two from the field, so he's

670
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,840
fifty five nine on twos, and
like he is a guy that has no

671
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,079
idea how to create easy shots yet, so like this is really encouraging that

672
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,079
he's moderately efficient taking a lot of
hard shots and like bad shots that will

673
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:43,239
just be excised from his diet going
forward, you hope. But the athleticism

674
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,880
is ridiculous. He has great size
on the wing, just gonna fall short

675
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,199
of scoring double digits played in eighty
games, looked totally lost for large chunks

676
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,440
of the season. It was just
getting by on athleticism but I think I

677
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:58,960
think he's the guy I was referring
to when I said other than I like

678
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,599
ceiling wise, I don't know he's
This is aged nineteen, season two,

679
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,360
so he's younger than a lot of
these guys. But I think I think

680
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Sharp has just ridiculous potential. I'm
less confident he'll hit it than say like

681
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Bank Carroll or Williams. But but
that's kind of I couldn't leave him off.

682
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:15,599
I just think we may look back
and be like, how did you

683
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,440
possibly not him have him as a
top ten rookie. Look, the flashes

684
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,400
were there, and I think he
was helpful as a rookie too, I

685
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,239
mean insofar as anyone could be helpful
to whatever was going on Portland. And

686
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,360
it wasn't like he didn't play.
I mean he appeared in eighty games and

687
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,320
for almost eighteen hundred minutes thirty six
percent from three. So just like,

688
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,960
I think his case was probably stronger
than most people might believe. I could

689
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,320
see why I might have considered Duran
going over that Akbashi really came on late.

690
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,119
I just don't think it was enough
he considered there. So ultimately my

691
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,519
first team was Paolo Janalen Williams,
Walker Kessler, Bennedict Math and Keegan Murray.

692
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,000
My second team was Jeremy Sown Tares
and Jay and Ivy, Andrew m

693
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,760
Harden, Shaden Sharp. Yeah,
and then I had Bank, Carroll,

694
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Williams, Kessler, Murray, Eason
and then second team Matherin, Ivy so

695
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,559
In During and Sharp so pretty close. Any any close cuts for you?

696
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,039
I think A J. Griffin is
like, hey, sorry, we didn't

697
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,000
get Jim Mark Williams. I think
you mentioned Abaji. We both loved Yson

698
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:15,280
Daniels, Jaden Hardy had some moments. Yeah, I don't know. Kenneth

699
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Lofton Junior dropping forty plus in the
last game of the Sason the biggest,

700
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,639
the biggest snub both literally and statistics
literally for sure. Uh yeah, I

701
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,440
don't think I have anybody else that
we like. Christian Brown maybe, but

702
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,599
just like not strong enough case to
be like, hey, we should have

703
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,679
picked him over any of the ones
that we just named. I think we

704
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,159
each have our biggest snubs, which
yours I think you said was nam hard

705
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,960
in mind was we probably would have
been during Yeah. Yeah, no,

706
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:45,000
I think I mean as much,
like as much as we can say the

707
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,920
guys like you know, five through
fifteen in terms of top rookies are fungible,

708
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Like at least those top four are
pretty pretty clean, pretty easy.

709
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,480
All defense, you want to start
us off, this was this was Yeah.

710
00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,559
Thirdly it was it was easy to
an extent because I just threw my

711
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,880
top like my defensive player of the
year guys, we're all just like,

712
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,519
Okay, I threw them in here
and that's where they're right. Yeah.

713
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,559
So for me, you made a
really great case for Evan Mobley on the

714
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:12,280
other pot, we did, so
I'm bummed that I couldn't fit him onto

715
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,719
my first team. But we gotta
have two guards because the positions are still

716
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,880
a thing here, So I have
Alex Caruso. I feel totally great about

717
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,880
that, the league leader in defensive
estimated plus minus. Like just he's a

718
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,360
nightmare getting guarded if being guarded by
him might be like the shittiest place to

719
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,280
be on a basketball court. He
I just he's we throw this around all

720
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,719
the time. And the other guy
we gotta having my first team is Drew

721
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,400
Holiday. It was just universally regarded
by Yeah, NBA players are just like

722
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,719
Drew Holiday is the greatest, like
full stop there's nobody better than that guy,

723
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,119
and that's not my whole reason for
I've actually watched the games and looked

724
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,880
at the numbers and he's awesome.
So him and Cruso are my guards.

725
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,760
And so after that, my two
top defensive Player of the Year candidates,

726
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,599
Jaren Jackson Junior and Brook Lopez.
Threw them on there. We're gonna call

727
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,679
Jackson a forward, I guess to
make that possible. And then there's so

728
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,360
many guys for this fifth spot.
I just went with Draymond Green because I

729
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,559
think he's the best defender that you
could ask for if you're just building a

730
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:14,519
team from nothing, at least for
the moment, not gonna age like Jackson.

731
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,079
But that's so that's what I got. I got Lopez, Jackson,

732
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,360
Green, and then Cruso on holiday
on my first team. Yeah, so

733
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,280
I had mostly the same I didn't
know what to do with Caruso at first,

734
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,960
because he played in a bunch of
games, was still under sixteen hundred

735
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,480
minutes, and I was just like, is that gonna enough to put him

736
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,440
on all defense? I think it's
enough to put him on all defense,

737
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,719
which is it doesn't need to follow
the same line of thinking like when you

738
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,039
look at his workload, how good
the Bulls defense was, how disruptive he

739
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:42,000
is, the fact that they could
even like protect the basket at all is

740
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,800
just what he's able to do from
the free throw line extended like the ball

741
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,880
press here that he's able to give
you both on and away from it.

742
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:51,599
So I have him and Drew Holiday. But basically for just what you said,

743
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,079
did all the NBA players talk about
it and you just watch him,

744
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:58,599
it's like that dude is an exhaustive
defender. I also had Brook Lopez and

745
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,199
Jared Jackson Junior on here as well. Evan Mobley is how I rounded out

746
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,119
my first team. So I've Evan
Mobley, Giant Jackson Junior, Brook Lopez,

747
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,760
with Caruso and Drew Holiday there.
And I will say I had Draymond

748
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,760
on my second team because he was
also in the top four five discussion for

749
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,480
my Defensive Player of the Year ballot, and he was eligible both center and

750
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,239
forward, which made things a little
bit easier so that I could still fit

751
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,079
other bigs on here. Yeah,
I wish it was positionless. I might

752
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,760
have had Draymond instead of Caruso just
by virtue of the minutes played and then

753
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,199
Drew Holiday probably still have made the
cut if it were positionless. For me,

754
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,320
I don't think i'd have a guard
on the first team. I think

755
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,760
I would just I would, you
know, as good as Holiday is and

756
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,159
as good as Caruso was, I
would have probably just found a way to

757
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,800
throw Mobile. And I guess I
don't know who I. So if it

758
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,119
were positionless, Mobile would jumps to
my first team and I lose either Caruso

759
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,920
or Holiday. I'm not sure who
else I would elevate, because I'd want

760
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,199
like a big probably, but nobody
stands out as like, oh yeah,

761
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,519
mobiley clearly would move up to you. So maybe honest, maybe honest,

762
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,719
maybe honest, maybe like Anthony Davis. Maybe Annaobi counts as I guess he's

763
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,039
kind of a guard. I think
he might qualify as a guard. I

764
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:07,679
view him as a forward. Oh
no, actually I view him as a

765
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,960
guard. Spoiler. He's gonna be
on my second team. All right,

766
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,800
so the second team you why don't
you start with your second team. I'm

767
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:20,000
gonna start with my forwards because I
still have a blank guard by I'll help

768
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,360
you with the guards. So and
I want to know, well, maybe

769
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,119
I should just tell so I have
Let's start with guards, and I'll tell

770
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:29,880
you everyone that I'm considering. I
have Lou Dort, Jaden McDaniels. I

771
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,519
don't think o Giannaoby was eligible guards. I didn't consider him here. Derek

772
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,559
White fantastic all season, I think
Dylan Brooks like those are the four names

773
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:43,280
that are just like spinning my wheels. I had Derek White, and I

774
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,960
have to make this decision right now. I'm gonna go with Derek White and

775
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,800
Jade McDaniels. Those are my second
team all defensive guards. I don't feel

776
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,400
great about it at all. I
think Derek will Derek White might be the

777
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,519
best help defender in the NBA at
this point, and then all the defense

778
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:02,440
is still going to be fine as
well. And the positional maaluability he gives

779
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,559
you is even just a rim protector
or like defending up if someone's not super

780
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,199
huge, can also just chase around. Smalls is so super quick. Jane

781
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,960
McDaniels might just be the best on
ball defender in the NBA at this point.

782
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:19,559
So and the matchup difficulty he faces
is probably than anyone that I second

783
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,000
second to none, second to none
I have. So I have this pulled

784
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,239
up. Jane McDaniels is among everyone
who played a thousand minutes. According to

785
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,440
be Ball Index, he is fourth
in a number of time that he spent

786
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,960
on the top options how they estimate
the top options. Herb Jones is third,

787
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,239
Lue dort is second, and Dylan
Brooks is first. And so I

788
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,719
guess Dylan Brooks could be the biggest
snub here. I just feel like he

789
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:46,039
doesn't do enough of just like the
all encompassing defense where it's like you Yang

790
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:50,000
Derek White, Derrik Whit's primary value
probably isn't even because of what he does

791
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,400
on the ball, and so there's
just more role versatility there to White and

792
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,119
McDaniels. I feel really bad about
leaving Lue dort Off probably feels like my

793
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,679
biggest nub here. Yeah, so
I had Derek White. That was one

794
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,519
of the easier ones for me,
and I actually had Annonobi as a guard,

795
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,039
but I also had McDaniels on my
second team. So if you could

796
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,559
just let me call McDaniels a guard
and I move Ann and Obi to a

797
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:15,760
forward where he was I can't even
remember. I just I think they're both

798
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960
one of the two has to be
just for the purposes here. If so,

799
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,519
if I can't get Annonobi or McDaniels
on there at a guard spot,

800
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,039
I probably go Dort and then I
don't know what I'm gonna do from there

801
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:30,519
for my forwards. But right now
I have Annonobi and McDaniels. Evan Mobley

802
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,119
was an easy second team pick for
me. The last spot is really tough.

803
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,599
So right now I have Anthony Davis. And again that's because I'm not

804
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,280
really caring too much about volume.
But I mean, you could talk me

805
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,039
into, for sure Bam being in
that position, even Claxton, you could

806
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:53,559
talk me into being in that position. I just I think I keep going

807
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,800
back to the highs of Davis where
he just dominated for several games in a

808
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,639
row on both ends. Defense obviously
is what adds here. But that's so.

809
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:05,880
That's so anyway, Mite White,
Annaobi, McDaniels, Mobili Davis.

810
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:12,519
I have a last second change here. I just realized that if we're able

811
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,320
to move DAYE. McDaniels to forward, I didn't know he was eligible at

812
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,159
forward in my head, which in
fury, I don't know why I didn't.

813
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,039
I messed up there. I've Draymond
Green at center. Now he was

814
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,679
on my second team as a forward. Draymond Green is my center. Jannis

815
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,199
is a forward for me. That's
where we're gonna differ. I think there,

816
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,840
I think they're still casing me that
he's the best defender on the Bucks

817
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,280
and was this, Yeah, I
didn't. I think brook Lopez was ultimately

818
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,559
more valuable. Uh, and it
was easier. Jhannest was not eligible at

819
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,360
center as far as it's turned,
so it's fitting him on the first team

820
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,039
was just too too difficult. But
I will say, do you know who

821
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:47,119
gets bumped off because of my Draymond
promotion? I have banned as my second

822
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:51,000
teams. Okay, but I'm moving. I mean, he's eligible there,

823
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,159
and I think Draymond was Again,
I thought that you we both made a

824
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:58,679
case that Draymond could theoretically win Defensive
Player of the Year. He didn't puss,

825
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,800
but uh. And then I moved
to Lue Dort, And so I

826
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,960
have Derek White, Jade McDaniel's Lue
Dort. Those are my two. Those

827
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,239
are a forward slash two guards.
However, you need to manipulate Blue Dort

828
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:14,039
and Jade McDaniels get them both on
there with Jannis and Draymond. That's so

829
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,639
what that comes down to is I
have Annonobi and you don't, and I

830
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:21,800
have Davis and you don't do I
should I just put Yannis in over there?

831
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,239
I can't do it. It Can
Mobily be a center? If mobiley

832
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,400
can be a center, I might
put Honest in over all, Right,

833
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,320
then Mobley is gonna be my center, and I think Jannis is gonna come

834
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,440
in over Davis, even though the
numbers probably favored Davis. And you put

835
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,519
David on my first team All NBA
or something. I don't know if I

836
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:42,360
got that, I don't know.
Yeah, this was I mean, these

837
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,880
are hard. This is why I'm
happy positions are being ditched, because like,

838
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,480
if we're being honest, like I
don't really think that, like if

839
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,519
you look at the positional estimates like
like who like I'm sorry, like Evan

840
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:58,119
Mobley shouldn't be a forward by like
most like he'll probably be closer a point

841
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,480
of attack where you're looking at.
I just I can't with this. The

842
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:06,079
having the most egregious one is actually
did I yeah? Me including having mobiles

843
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,320
if I were on the first team
feels a little bit just sort of like

844
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,760
two cute team. But maybe not, because he's all plays forward for his

845
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,719
team. I mean it's I mean, it's sort of but he plays quote

846
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,920
unquote forward because he's just he's kind
of everywhere. Yeah, no, this

847
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,559
is this is gonna be and this
will change. I mean, are we

848
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,719
gonna just not have guards on all
NBA all defensive teams going forward? Because

849
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,199
I mean, I mean, as
good as Caruso and Holiday are, like

850
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,920
if you're just starting it, I
mean, I keep making this argument,

851
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,360
but this is the right way to
view it. In my mind, I

852
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,480
think you just Biggs just matter so
much more. Caruso is just the total

853
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:42,199
exception to this because you know,
we've talked about before, how how are

854
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,440
the bull how's the Bulls defense good? Because like Bouchevich is not a good

855
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:50,760
room protector, DeRozan has not defended
his whole career. Lavigne is like okay

856
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,480
some nights, but he's bad others. And it's just no, it's because

857
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,280
Caruso like makes life hell, you
know, above the break, and that's

858
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,639
just that's how they defend. So
he might be the exception, but otherwise

859
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:05,079
I'm just going bigs and forwards and
switchable. You know, this could look

860
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,559
really different next year. I think
it is the takeaway and if people are

861
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:12,199
mad, I just Caruso was still
so he's if I was gonna put him

862
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,840
on it had the first team or
bust because it was just like he was

863
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,320
under sixteen hundred minus but who was
so good, so you might as well

864
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,880
just throw him on here. But
I'm with you, I'm wondering if Wow,

865
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,760
I wonder how this is going to
impact the guard situation because I'm even

866
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,760
looking now, but I what I've
had, bam though over any of these

867
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,119
guards. If I think have to
include these guards, I think you make

868
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:35,519
the case that like I mean,
Derek White's awesome, but like Bam,

869
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,199
just you build the defense around me. That's not true for Derek White.

870
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,280
I mean, so it's it's almost
unfair because guards just are not in a

871
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,840
position they're not capable of helping as
much because they don't defend the rim.

872
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,800
That's just like the singular most important
defensive thing. It's it's gonna be interesting,

873
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,039
it'll be weird. So I think
I have so I'll recap mine.

874
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,199
First team Drew Holiday, Alice Caruso, Evan Mobile, Jarren Jackson, Junior,

875
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,599
Brook Lopez. Second team Derek White, Jane McDaniels, Ludor Jannis,

876
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:05,800
and Draymond Green. This is probably
the exercise before you list off yours.

877
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,199
I was at least confident, oh
for sure. Yeah, I have the

878
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:14,119
same way, So I go Caruso, Holiday, Jackson, Lopez, Draymond.

879
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,599
Second team is White, McDaniels,
Anna Nobi, and I think I'm

880
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:22,519
gonna punt Davis for Yannis. Either
Annaobi or Davis is getting the boot for

881
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,280
Yiannis. I can't decide an Anobi
hurt. It was like it was like,

882
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,280
do I include him or Yannis on
this? And I even I might

883
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,280
have had bam over on Anoby two
if we just got rid of positions altogether.

884
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,559
So but that og was tough,
and then we both of us left

885
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,239
off Dylan Brooks. Any thoughts on
that. I mean, he's a super

886
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:45,119
hard cut. I think probably like
some of what he does, some of

887
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:50,079
what makes him really good defensively also
hurts because he does foul too much and

888
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,519
he does make dumb decisions and like
offensively, not that this matters, but

889
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,519
man, that guy is just a
train wreck on offense. So that didn't

890
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:00,000
necessarily make the decision for me.
But uh, yeah, I think he

891
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:04,400
does some he does some damage,
like in the wrong way defensively sometimes,

892
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,320
but he's still awesome, Like he's
you know, there's no more than two

893
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,280
or three guys I would have considered
over him that you know from my snub

894
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,599
list. Do you want to take
us out of here? This was I

895
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:17,320
hate myself as promised, right,
I think we nailed it. No one's

896
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,760
going to have any arguments with any
of these picks. Yeah, So everybody,

897
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,000
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898
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,320
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899
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,599
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900
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:35,559
at GT Underscore. He was at
Hardwood Knox. This was tough,

901
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,400
This was interesting. We might have
heard. I know, we've been talking

902
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,280
a lot. We needed to do
this though, because we and this was

903
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,840
by the way, this was the
right decision to do this now as opposed

904
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,159
to like two weeks ago when we
were talking about it, because that just

905
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,280
we needed more so anyway, Shouts
out to Frank Nilikina, who did not

906
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,840
make all defensives this year, but
still holding out hope and to apologies as

907
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,079
always did Jared Allen, who also
did not get a mentioned