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We very much appreciate it. So today The Debrief published a bombshell article by
Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, and the article, intelligence officials confirmed that the
United States is in possession of multiple intact crashed UFOs, joining us to break
this to break this breaking story down is our good friends. Here. On
the left we have Christopher Sharp from the Liberation Times, always always working,
and on the right Vinnie Adams from Disclosure Team. Guys, how are you.
I'm good, Thank you, really happy to be here. So I'm
glad. I'm glad you guys are here. I really we really do appreciate
it. So, you know, so first things, you know, first
we're going to break down this article. And but a question for both of
you, how how significant is this? Yeah? I think this is I
think this is a huge step in the right direction. It's something that we've
kind of heard rumors about for some time now, and I'm just glad that
it came today. You know, we had the talk of the Washington Post
breaking a story recently, and you know, nothing really came, and it
was getting a bit nerve wracking. So yeah, the story dropped. I'm
really pleased with it. It's been an extremely busy day of been on the
phone all day, answering emails, chatting with all sorts of people, and
so yeah, it's day one of something what I considered to be quite big
going forward. I couldn't agree more Chris, Well, what are your thoughts?
How how big a deal is this? It's ginormous, isn't it really?
And I get quite emotional thinking about it, because around about this time
last year is when I first started reporting about whistleblowers and how the intelligence authorization
draft language I hadn't come from a vacuum. It was actually because whistleblowers alleging
crash retrievile programs and reverse engineering programs to come forward. And when when you're
doing something like that, you doubt yourself, you know, and you're thinking,
gosh, like we're going from some thing that aviators are seeing in the
skies. We just don't know what they are yet to like a full on
conspiracy that you see in movies, you know, and you know, wanting
to cement myself as a journalist, I'm thinking to myself, oh my gosh,
she said, like the highest risk, you know, highest reward kind
of thing I could I could do. But look, I come at this
as a journalist reporting this story as a scandal, and I side with the
whistleblowers, like, you know, like like any scandal. You know,
being a journalist, you should approach your front whistle blo You should investigate them.
You know, I've made this analogy before. It's like, you know,
Watergate. You know, when you're given the tip off, you don't
just go to season Goths or Nixon's office and say, oh, they said
no, or I fired this and it said it didn't tell me anything.
You know, in case clothes, you know, you actually investigate it.
You read between the lines, because as we've seen with the Church Communite and
MK Ultra and things like that. Look, there's a history of kind of
miss troops that come out of the intelligence community and the d D as well.
Because there's so many scandals have gone on in history, you know that
we should not take what they say at at face value. So I feel
pretty emotional, and I just feel that, you know, David is such
a hero coming forward, and it's revelationary, and I think it's going to
be like an avalanche from here. I'm expecting bigger things to come now,
and it's very exciting. I totally agree. So, So here's a still.
This is the article. So intelligence officials say US has retrieved craft of
non human origin. This article is by Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal of The
New York Times. Fame and this appeared this morning yet in the debrief,
and I highly recommend if you if people haven't read this article, it's quite
extensive. Um, and it's primarily revolving around this, uh, this whistle
blower, Dave. How do you is it grouche? How do you?
How do you say his last name? I actually not sure. I think
it's grouchy. Yeah, I believe I think it's yeah. Okay, well,
well you can just say the British pronunciation is grush, American pronunciation gruyere.
Smarties maintaing right, and you know, and you know, so he
you know, he was a entire operative. He's he's kind of been all
over the place. And we'll get into a little bit of that in the
art call um and uh, sorry, somebody from Washington, DC is calling
and I'm not gonna pick that up. Um anyway, uh huh so anyway,
yeah, so this guy sorry, kind of threw me there. Um,
So did you is it surprising to both of you to uh, you
know, to uh, I'm sure me and Vinnie can actually just go for
the article for one moment. We've done it before. We've been here before,
haven't we be any dissection and stuff we have indeed. Yea. So
my question is is it is it a surprise um the caliber of this whistleblower
to come come forward? Uh? I mean, this guy has serious credentials.
Chris, What do you think I don't think so. No. As
someone who's kind of reported this for the last year or so, I knew
that there were very, very credible people behind the scenes who'd been interested in
this, you know, and you know, David is thirty six years old.
We always knew that there was a younger generation, you know, working
in these agencies and offices, and they had a different approach to things.
You know. It wasn't this cold war mentality, you know that we should
shut up about this for natural security stake and be a proud American. No,
that there's a different mindset going for it now. Is that the current
times that we're living in it's unsustainable? You know, like humans have launched
walls in each other for thousands of years now, you know, and if
you look at it from a macro pitch, we now have nuclear weapons.
You know, how is this sustainable? When looking at it from like a
wider, bigger picture in terms of what us humans are capable of doing to
each other. And you've only got the look at what's going on with the
Ukraine and Russia, the barbarity, you know. And when you get people
and emotional mindset, they make irrational decisions, you know. And I think
that the one topic that could bring us together is this, you know,
you know, something visiting our planet and you know, some people say it's
a threat, some people say that they're here for the good mankind. But
I have a way. I feel that we've got to respond together as one,
one planet. And that's quite inspiring, isn't it. And I say
that as a proud proud Brits as well. And but yeah, I think
it's um, it's time that we kind of like get together as a planet.
And I hope I don't sound like too woosh and hippie, but like
these people like that and because it's it's not sustainable now with the weapons they
thought, so I wasn't surprised at all about eventually coming out. So yeah,
sorry, any of your thoughts. Yeah, And I mean the article
makes it quite clear that there are people in the intelligence community who feel that
there is no longer any good reason to withhold this from the general pub like
any longer. You know. Um, credit to Ralph and Leslie for the
article, but extra credit also needs to go to the Debrief and their investigative
team of Tim McMillan and I think Sean and Craig were also a part of
it, who separately vetted a lot of the information and important points in this
article. They actually bolsted it by adding to the original story that Leslie and
Ralph put together, and so for them to be able to do that really
adds a lot of weight to it as well. Yeah, I in that
sentiment, Look, I knew the Throws coming out last week, and I
did want the Daily Mail to report it, like like any reports, you
know, I'm like, give it to me, you can't brief. And
they've done an amazing job, you know. I just want to give a
shout out to everyone that works so you know, um, you know,
you've got You've got Chrissy, You've got Meeka, Um, Tim McMillan,
and then my good friend Sean and Craig as well, who did a lot
of the groundwork. And I'm just so proud of them for all they've done.
And yeah, just so thank you to everyone at the Debrief. You've
done an amazing job, and you know, Washington Post didn't have the guts
to do it, and a lot of other media publications may have been in
the same position as well, And it just proves that, you know,
legacy media is fading, and you've got publications like The Debrief who will stand
up. And they've got an immense resource of talent as well that can really
give a lot of these mainstream publications a run for their money. So yeah,
thumbs up to all those guys. And obviously you know goes about saying
Ralph and Messi as well, legends of the field. Yeah. Absolutely,
And it was funny, you know, you're talking about the mainstream press.
I watched the entire White House press conference today just waiting for somebody from the
mainstream media to ask a question about this, and absolutely nothing. These folks
are completely asleep at the wheel. And and you know, my head is
off to people like yourself, Chris and inventing your work on this, and
other folks that have really done a lot of work, Uh, you know,
Mark von Rennen Camp and uh, you know, and other journalists and
for sure Leslie and Ralph Um. But you know, one one person in
particular that I really want to tip my hat. Uh too? Is Ross
coltheart um so later today? I believe it's six pm Eastern on News Nation.
They're going to air. I think it's like a one hour sit down
interview with Dave and man. Ross is my freaking hero. Ross. If
you're listening, I would love for you to come on the show. You
you have an open invitation anytime. So So, speaking of which, let's
let's watch a very short clip, kind of a promo clip from the News
News Nation tonight only on News Nation. Bombshell claims from a military whistleblower published
this morning alleging a secret UFO retrieval program within the US government. When you
say retrieval, what do you make? These are retrieving non human origin technical
vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will. It's probably not
the right parlance, but no kidding, non human exotic origin vehicles that have
either landed or crashed. We have spicecraft from another species? We do?
Yeah? How many? Quite a number? All right? Pique your interests?
Tune in for the full report tonight on Elizabeth Vargas reports Why that whistle
blower says his claims are credible plus you'll hear from the journalist broke the story
this morning, that exclusive interview only on News Nations starting tonight six pm Eastern.
Wow, quite a number of vehicles. It's not like they've just got
a couple of these sitting in the garage. It sounds like they've got a
whole fleet of them. Yeah. Wow, Chris, what do you think
about that? That's wow. I can't wait to watch this whole interview tonight.
It's going to be unbelievable. Hats off to Ross and likewise, he's
a real hero, and I think, um, I think maybe you could
liken it to like, you know, the debrief and Ralph and they're seeing
all those guys are laying the groundwork here, just providing the credentials sources to
back it up, making clear this guy is really really, you know,
credible basically, and if that's done, they rolled out the carpet. And
now I feel that with Ross being such a forensic, you know, journalist
as he is, I think we're going to really be in a treat for
more revelations, let's say, in shocking revelations. And it's already been alluded
to by Ross that you know, we're talking about crash retrievals go back before
Roswar, which which takes us back to potentially potentially I say, nineteen thirty
three and in Italy outside of Milan, where there is actually some documentation which
I'm looking to verify from Missdini's office about a crashed craft which came down and
it's kind of like, you know, it's telling people to shut up about
it, and they're reporting this can't get out, and yeah, that should
be very interesting. And apparently Marconi I think it was the adventure of the
radio, wasn't it, And you know, obviously being Italian and he was
basically the lead scientist on this project basically to find out what it was.
And firstly they thought it was German. There are some accounts that they found
some bodies in the craft that kind of like Arian and they thought it must
be Germans, you know, and then they they found out that it wasn't.
And the rumor is that after World War Two it was brought back to
America to go Ohio, let's say, so, yeah, I really can't
wait that That's just speculation for me, as you know, I love to
speculate, So comes out very What was your reaction to that club. Yeah,
I mean it's amazing, and I'm just going to follow on from what
Chris said there with this Italy case. I mean that that era in the
thirties up to the early forties with the group that Marconi headed, this Gabinetta
RS thirty three, I think there was two or three major UFO cases that
happened that in that kind of ten year period. And I found these cases
very fascinating in the past few years. Even though there's there's very little information
out there, there are little bits and bobs, and you know, if
that turns out to be kind of the beginning of this legacy program, crash
retrieval program, then you know, that's going to just blow my mind even
more so. Yeah, I think you know, this interview that Ross did
with David Grush is a seven hour interview, and Ross and Bryce have both
made it quite clear that they're really keyed on getting the raw interview all seven
hours out to the public if possible. Seven seven hours, that's a lot
of monss. I figured this thing at the top was like two hours.
Seven hours. Yeah, the raw interview is seven hours long. Anyway,
Sorry, sorry to interrupt, so please please continue no, and that's it,
you know. So I'm a little bit confused personally because I'm hearing different
things about what we're going to see and when. So from what I believe
is that this News Nation show tonight is a panel with like clips of the
interview, and I'm hearing also that in the coming days will be a documentary
special with more or different clips, I don't really know, and then potentially
we will get the raw seven hours, so potentially three different versions of the
interview coming out. Maybe it's just two. I think it's up in the
air a little bit right now, but I'm excited and yeah, well and
just over an hour and a half from that first one, so I can't
wait to check it out after this for sure. Chris m oh I totally
last. Oh, I know, I was going to ask you, so,
has there then any you know, in your work for the Liberation Times.
Have there has there been any sort of official response to their snooze?
Sure? So, Odi and I will not would have declined to publicly respond
to this. There's no response. Got I got pretty aggressive, but the
spokes best actually try trying to get anything, and I regret that because,
yeah, this person's really really nice. But but yeah, they're they're sticking
to their line no comment. But obviously we're talking about some really really serious
allegations here that if you have some retrieval program retrieval programs and reverse engineering programs
and they've been hidden, you know, from congressional oversight, that's kind of
like undermining democracy, you know, and it's very serious. This is HARKing
back to them Ka Ultra, so they have form when it comes to this.
You know, you you can't have a proper democracy without oversight. That's
a fundamental basis of democracy. And it's very very serious if that's if that's
happening. And I feel that although their official response a moment is we're going
to decline to comment, that they need to. They need to. This
is just too serious now because we're getting into territory where, you know,
democracy may be undermined itself, and I feel that there needs to be some
response to that in some firm investigation. So I reported back in I think
it was January now that those insiders are actually mulling a possible church committee,
and I think we've just got a step closer to potentially happening in church in
terms of that because the Senate Intelligence Committee. That's only there today because the
Church Committee. You know, there wasn't that oversight before. So I think
that's something that we should keep an eye on. DoD mean, why are
there's no official comments so far? They are so they had a team meeting
this morning, A team A team meeting. Yeah, well I just kind
of like I called up, you know, saying did you get my email?
Come on, anybody, what's your holding response? You know, And
they're like, oh, no, I'm sorry, we're just in the team
meeting them At the moment, there's no one. Yeah, and they still
got as of this time that they still got no official response. Um,
they are coordinating with various agencies at the moment to work up a response.
So there is some coordination there because obviously there's a number of questions coming from
it, but so far no comment at all. But what I am looking
for is I'm looking for Look, you can't just a let a whistleblower come
out and leave and hang them out to dry. I feel that, you
know, Congress, they're the ones who paved this path or whistleblowers, and
they can't hang the whistleblowers out to dry. So I'm hoping that Rubio,
Jitner, Brand and Warner among others, actually come out and support this whistleblower
and actually, you know, to some extent, just make them feel like
they're not being hung out to dry, you know, that they do have
some support because other whistleblowers who are thinking about coming out that they'll be looking
what's happening and how Dave is being treated right now. So I think that
look, as I said, this is high risk, high reward. If
the Congress does manage to get to the bottom of this and all these claims
are true, then think about all the technology that we might have at our
disposable that we could study, you know, from clean energy to cure us
for horrible illnesses, to new transportation methods and stuff like that. You know,
I think this is just too too serious, you know, and you've
got someone coming out with this allegations. I think that Congress needs to give
him some kind of backing now and be more be more vocal about this.
And that's what I'm hoping. And unfortunately a lot of journalists just not with
it, as you alluded to already, and that's anything that worries me.
Yeah, it's um Yeah, for sure, and maybe you know, maybe
the reason no one was picking up your call at the Pentagon that they were
busy calling their lawyers, so I could definitely be um, uh yeah,
it's it's it's just crazy. And you you know, you spoke about the
Washington Post, uh not covering this, and the New York Times, of
course, in my opinion, I think this is Julian Barnes guy at the
New York Times. I feel that he's a shill for the Pentagon. What
are your thoughts on on the lack of coverage by the New York Times,
because they really haven't they really haven't had a good track record since that twenty
seventeen article, Abbot, No, not really at all. I think maybe,
you know, to play devil's advocate a little bit. I sort of
asked myself the question, would these publications have picked up the story if this
whistleblower had been in the program, had seen the craft for himself and things
like that, rather than he found the people. He found, you know,
the documents and the photographs. So are they just sort of this isn't
quite enough for them in some respects to you know, to risk running,
you know, with the story and so that's that's kind of where my head's
been out in the last couple of hours, you know, thinking about the
aspect of the story. Chris. Yeah, So I think that the debrief
did a very very good job actually managing to vouchure everything and verify things.
And the only can go so far. So you know, the the IG
complaint for instance, documentation on that, you know, for instance, but
they admit you can't get that yet because it's an ongoing complaint. It's still
being processed, so they can't get that yet. So you have to you
have to work within constraints sometimes, you know, when you're doing this,
And I think you've just got to think of it from a common sense aspect.
I mean, either he's telling the truth, or he's lying because he's
telling, or so what else is lying? And it's multiple people that are
lying. It's some really elaborate prag from people that don't know each other.
Because he's saying that people who have worked on alleged programs have actually spoken to
him and for my understanding as well, that they've been brought to the attention
of Congress and the and the IG. These people have so m I think
it is credible, and I think that, you know, as more information
comes out, I think that we'll find that it is credible what he's coming
up with, and serious and urgent as well in terms of the allegations.
And I think there's enough people to vouch for that. And look, it's
not just him as well saying it, you know, in this in this
article, there's various people who actually you know, backing him up as well,
who've actually come from a credible background as well. So you know,
you've got KYL Nell, for example, recently retired Army colonel and current Airspace
executive you know Armies liaison with the UAP Task Force backing him up. In
Jonathan Gray as well, generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with top
secret clearance and currently works in national where you know Nasick. Basically, yeah,
it's not just it's not just him who's saying it. You know,
Gray is basically saying the non human intelligence phenomenon is real. We're not alone.
So it's not just Grush who's coming out there and taking this stand.
It's great as well. And yeah, that's very serious. And I just
say one more thing as well, you know, Um, yeah, I
keep talking because for some reason, I accidentally last last I want to tell
him anyway, keep keep talking or keep damping there. From my understanding,
you know, Grush's very senior and he was like coordinating presidential briefings and stuff
like that. That's how high up he was. So you know, he
was trusted by the President of the United States Office the White House, and
I think if he's got that level of trust, I think you have to
take him seriously. You know, you have to just choose your judgment here.
Um, So yeah, I think I think that's where we are.
Obviously there'll be a few wackos who are still going to take their stance some
elaborate conspiracy for you. But look, this this topic always attracts the fringe,
you know, and people who are kind of done well. But look,
I want to give those any credences, But I just think we have
to take this three very seriously about these allegations, not just from Grush but
also from Jonathan Gray as well. I think it's not really getting as much
attention, but he's come out and sits and starting things as well. Yeah,
it's uh, watching the professional debunkers really kind of lose their shit.
It's been pretty uh pretty Uh it's it's they's kind of doing mental gymnastics trying
to explain explain this away. So what I thought we would do, obviously,
this all came about very last minutes. I'm maybe not as prepared as
I normally would, but I thought what we would do is just kind of
go through, uh, some high points in the article, because I know
that there are a lot of listeners here that have not had the chance to
read this, and then we'll get get your get your input and comments and
thoughts. So so the very beginning of it, uh beginning of the article.
A former intel eligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community
Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved,
intact and partially intact craft of non human origin. The information, he says,
has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that
he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures. Other intelligence officials, both active
and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work and various agencies,
have independently provided similar, similar corroborating information both on and off the record.
The whistleblower David Charles Gruse thirty six a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan.
As a veteran of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, or the NGA and the
National Reconnaissance Office, he served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to the un Identified
Aerial Phenomena task Force from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one. From late twenty
twenty one to July twenty twenty two, he was the NGA's co lead for
UAP analysis and its representative to the task force. I mean, so right
away, that tells you we're not talking about Chinese balloons or drones or anything.
You know. So for this highly decorated combat officer doing what he did
for the NGA and National Reconnaissance Office, this isn't like some guy off the
street. I mean, it's pretty significant when you think, yeah, yeah,
absolutely, And I think it's important to state that through the investigative work
of Tim McMillan, he you know, he realized that this guy had no
pre existing interest in the subjects of UFOs and UAP. He was simply recommended
to the Director of the task force based on his experience and his analyst skills.
You know. But then also you mentioned that that other intelligence officials,
both on the record and off the record, of independently provided similar corroborating information,
and you know that's huge. Imagine if we get all of these people
to be on the record, it's just going to keep adding weight to the
story, and you know, it's going to take it even further down the
road. I totally agree, Chris, Uh, pretty pretty big deal.
I mean, this guy has some serious credentials. Yeah, and I'd point
out the NNGA and n RO a key to this. I mean, the
problem being that whereas natural at the moment are kind of like looking at publicly
available information and they're struggling where to go, and it seems a bit of
incompetency as well, where they're making assertions not even speaking to the to the
to the aviator. Is the eyewitnesses have trained observers, and whilst doing so,
they're not even admitting that they didn't have access to the raw sensor data
and stuff like that. So it's yeah, it's very very impartial not to
at least admit that I'm saying this, this is my best judgment at the
moment. I'm still not sure whether the go fast you know, was forty
last per hour or not, but this is just my best judgment. I
need more information. I haven't spoken to the witnesses, so there's more works
too. You know, he could have just said that, but they don't.
But it's just straighting to see all this happening whilst. You know,
John Radcliffe, who was former DNI, he's basically suggested that he's seen compelling
information on satellite data of craft that are kind of like going against the physical
laws, the laws of physics basically. So, and it's very much my
opinion that a lot of that data is coming from the Natural recons Office and
NNGA. So I think that, you know, everyone's kind of like running
around in circles staying where do we find a data? Where to a fund
of data? But it looks like the data is already there. It's with
the NRO and NGA. Let's open up and see what we can confirm from
using that data. You know, that's that's very really key. These two
entities are very very key in terms of getting that data. Absolutely, So
let's we'll continue on here. So a grouche has said, I can't.
I need to find out how to say his name, Dave. We'll just
call him Dave said. The recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact
vehicles have been made for decades, decades through the present day by the government,
its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that these objects retrieved
are of quote, exotic origin, non human intelligence, or extraterrestrial or unknown
origin based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique
atomic arrangements and Radioli logical signatures. I know doctor Nolan, as Gary Nolan
has spoken about that. And then it goes on here in filing, a
complaint is represented by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community Inspector General.
That's interesting. I did not catch that. So this guy was a
inspector general. Quote. We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,
Gruce said, preferring information he provided to Congress and the current ICIG the current
Intelligence Community Inspector General quote. The materials include intact and partially intact vehicles in
accordance with protocols Grouse provided the Defense Office of pre Publication and Security Review,
which we call adopts or is the acronym at the Department of Defense. With
the information he intended to disclose to us, his on the record statements were
all cleared for open publication. So that's one thing I'm really florid about.
Is he is really bringing out by far, probably the biggest bombshell news wise,
I would say, possibly in American history. And and the Pentagon said,
okay, you can talk about it. What, Vinny, what I'm
yeah, I'm just really surprised, any thoughts. Yeah, I mean,
we know the dops of process doesn't automatically mean that they completely agree with everything
that comes these people bring out, whether it's whether someone's written a book and
it goes through that process. I think they're just making sure that classified information
isn't being being revealed. And you know that confuses me because surely a lot
of this is, you know, it's very highly classified information. But you
know he's protected by the whistleblower laws as set out in the in the Authority
Act. So yeah, you know, it's just incredible. It's just all
of it is just you know, so much to take him with all so
many points. It's in this article that have been been vetted and looked at.
It's it's incredible. Yeah, the fact that he's talking about the the
atomic arrangements, the radiological signatures. Again, you mentioned Gary Noland has been
talking about this for some time and up until recently, you know, hinting
that he was aware of these kind of whistleblowers and that, and so it's
all, you know, it's all tying into the things that people have been
saying. I was, I was just looking at the chat. It's hard
for me to kind of watch a chat and and think at the same time.
But as someone Escape Escape VFX said Susan, Susan Goth is going to
have a hard day at the office tomorrow. I'm sure sure if she will.
So, So, Chris, what do you think, So if if
this information that came out was approved through the adopts or process, if you
were to guess, what would be the things that Dave could not talk about?
Well, first year, I point out, you know, there's there's
classified information you can't discuss classified But what about if it's classified information and it's
illegal, So by actually kind of like blocking the information from coming out,
you know, like you ask Dave a question, Um, is, um,
you know, are we running illegal reverse engineering and retrieval programs away from
the oversight of Congress? And then all of a sudden, like he's saying,
I can't say it. I can't. I can't talk about that because
the dots of process basically then the DoD is basically implicating themselves and actually doing
stuff as illegal. So I think you've got to take that into account as
well, you know, like, how how how amazing would that be?
I bet Dave wish he could say the doctor process means that I can't talk
about it because and that would directly implicate and so I think it could go
both ways in terms of that. Um. But yeah, I think I
think it's a very very interesting situation. I think the key one of the
key parts he said was in filing his complaint, Bruce's represented by a lawyer
he served as the original Intelligence Community Inspector General. That is very very big
because look, you've got someone of some heft kind of like representing him,
so I mean, and someone who's very very knowledgeable about how this all works,
you know, and if he thinks it's credence to it, then I
think it's definitely worth paying attention to it. It gives him more heft about,
you know, what he's actually doing, and I think that's something that
you shouldn't take lightheartedly. Did I answer your question, I can't remember exactly.
Yeah, I would. I would say, so, you know,
one one thing I'd like to start digging into in this story here. So
it's it's one thing for if this guy, it's Dave, came forward and
no one was backing him up, or he didn't have the credentials that he
has. But this all, everything that he's stating completely comports with what we
have been hearing for a very long time and what people like Christopher Mellan have
been saying for quite a while. So again going back to the article,
Christopher mellen who spent nearly twenty years in the US intelligence community and served as
the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, I mean, you know,
this guy has seen a few things, has worked with Congress for years on
unidentified aerial phenomenon and he quoted in this article quote A number of well placed
current and former officials have shared detailed information with me being Chris Mellan regarding this
alleged program, including insights into the history governing documents and the location of where
a craft was allegedly a band and recovered. Melon said, however, it
is a delicate matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands for validation.
This made it harder by the fact that, rightly or wrongly, a
number of potential sources do not trust the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution
Office established by Congress. And by leadership, I think they're talking about the
director of ARROW, Shanker Patrick Vinny. What have you been hearing similar sort
of stories of people are are hesitant to approach Arrow. Yeah, I have,
I've had all sorts of things. I mean, it just clearly it
goes to show the disconnect between the Congress and Arrow. We you know,
we had Sean Kirkpatrick at the hearing recently, still talk about the fact that
he's not got authorities under Title fifty. You know, he's not able to
vet any of these things or dig into where these programs might be. So,
I mean, yeah, I keep hearing things. I don't know.
It does seem to me that a lot of whistleblowers seemed to be bypassing Arrow
and going directly to Congress. So is that now basically telling us that Arrow
is it's not needed. I mean, where will it go from here?
This is the kind of the questions I think we should be asking. Yeah,
I totally agree, Chris. Uh, you know, what are your
what are your thoughts about? What are what have you been hearing? As
far as our people continuing to go to Arrow? Do they trust Arrow leadership?
How do they How do the whistleblowers feel about doctor Sean Kerpatrick and Arrow?
It seems like a broken arrow to be honest. No, Um,
what's happening is that you've got someone who's a scientist, who's not an investigator.
He doesn't know the bureaucratic system or work way to work around it.
And I think they've just gone about this in a Heienick fashion, you know,
just um, we'll give you this, uh. And about the all
access to the data so um, you know, and it's the names is
all normally all the main a normally resolution off. Its all about resolving cases
and stuff like that. And that's what it's meant to do. We're going
to resolve the gases. We're going to explain it all to you. Um.
It's very very cosmetic as well. By the way, it is,
and I think the whistleblowers feel that because there's I just I just don't think
that Kirkpatrick believes that. I think he comes at it like from like Julian
Barnes or someone like that. You know, that's probably the way that he
actually thinks about the world and he thinks about things. And that's and he's
not a seasoned investigator. So you've got cases where you know, there's unsecure
phone lines and people are asking of details on that when the phone lines aren't
secure, um to give testa mey you're getting test me me where it's being
recorded. So just simple things, and it just seems that, you know,
like Vinnie said that he doesn't have the correct titles to actually get the
full data and corporation from the Intel community. That creates an extra kind of
like hindrance to him. But I would just argue that I think he was
the wrong man for the job in a way, because you needed someone who
actually had the correct clearances and who was a season investigator as well, and
then below him you would have those people like Kirkpatrick. Basically he could actually
analyze the video is the data coming in, not the guy to actually head
it up. You know, you need you need like a Jay Stratum or
a Loo or someone like that, you know, just someone who's really going
to be determined and he's going to like put an end to this, because
really, let's let's put an end to this. You know, let's um,
you know, if something that can put an end to it is that
let's verify this. You said it's an ex location. Him, m let's
go and visit there. Some congressional staffers can can visit. Let's see it.
Let's see if we can verify what is there to hide. If if
you don't have crash trebles and stuff like that, then fine, they can
visit the facility. You know, they can sign NDA's or any waivers they
need to sign if there is any classified stuff at this location. And so
let's let's put an end to this. Let's let's test it, you know.
And jitla Brand has already said to Mellon that if she did find signs
of you know, non human intelligence, she would she would let people know.
So I think this is what we need. You know, I don't
think arrow is actually the answer. And I think when you look at it,
I think you could you could probably argue that Jilah Brand's office probably has
more powers to investigate this and get to the bottom of it than actually Arrow
can. So I agree with video. I'm not really certain what the Arrow's
future is at this point. Yeah, I would agree, and I want
to read you something, so Tim Tim McMillan on Twitter again from the debrief,
he posted something about doctor Shaun Kirpatrick saying something interesting I recently found out
was that, in addition to Arrow not having Title fifty authority, doctor Shan
Kirpatrick's appointing authority is rated as a highly qualified Expert or h qwe Now the
interesting part is that this is actually him in that position is against Office of
Personal Management regulation, so he should not even be in the job. So
I'm going to read you something here. Per Let's see h QWEE appointments,
which is what he is, may not be used to one appoint any person
to a position as the head of add component. Again, he shouldn't be
in that job to fill a position that meets the definition of a senior executive
service position or they referred to as sees as defined by Section thirty one thirty
two of Reference c UH and number three provide any person temporary employment and in
anticipation of a a permanent office. Now Kirkpatrick he was, and we're getting
a little bit off topic else here. Back, but Kirkpatrick, he was.
He was installed in that office by ODI and I uh sorry, uh
uh Ronald Moultrie. So he put it, he put him in there.
And then who was the There was another guy, Chris I know you and
I had spoken about that. Um, he's no longer at the Department of
Defense. So Moultrie put Kirkpatrick in there, and uh someone another guy.
I'm blanking on his name, thy Red. Yeah no, no, no,
yeah, no, no, it was it was a David Taylor.
So these guys installed this installed Kirkpatrick, who doesn't even have he's not an
SCS level employee to run this department, which again feels like it's it's not
complying with the will of Congress. Anyway. Sorry, it's my add brain
going in different places. So back on track, let's talk about this thing.
So, getting back to the subject of other people in this article,
backing up what Dave is saying, there was another guy mentioned in here.
Jonathan Gray is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Intelligence Community with a
top secret clearance, who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center
or NASSIK, where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previous he
had experience serving private aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive task Forces, and
mister Gray provided a quote here quote the non human intelligence phenomenon is real.
We are not alone. Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United
States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to
elude us. So let's going on here at the National Actually, yeah,
we'll start there. So, so this is a global phenomenon. This just
isn't a US or UK thing, right NNY. Yeah, absolutely, you
know we heard, we know that the Five Eyes does have access to UAP
information in data. We just don't hear anything when especially when it comes to
the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, very very little information has
been shared about what kind of communications and sharing has been going on, especially
in the past sort of five to six years. So, you know,
I think it's quite clear that that something's going on, work is being done.
Yeah, we know this is a global phenomena. Do we know whether
these other countries have experienced crashes or retrieved craft that we'd read like to know.
And I hope that's the kind of information that we can dig down and
kind of bring to the surface. I would love to know that for sure.
So continuing here, moving on. At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,
Gruce served as a Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer it's a mouthful there, cleared
at the top secret Secret Compartmented Information Level TSSCI, and was the agency's Senior
Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial phenomenon Analysis Transmedium issues. From twenty sixteen to twenty
twenty one, he served with a National Reconnaissance Office as senior Intelligence Officer and
led the production of the NROS Director Daily Briefing. Gruce was a GS fifteen
civilian, the military equivalent of a colonel, has served as an intelligence officer
for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force, he has numerous
awards and decorations for his participation participation in covert and clandestine operations to advance American
security. I mean, Chris, this this guy's his his um, his
his bona fides or bona fides, or ever you'd say it. I mean,
they're impeccable. And the other thing too. It's not like he is
somebody that has not looked into this, has not um is not familiar with
the topics. It's not like he just Oh, I heard about this department
and the Pentagon and I hear they have some UFOs. This guy, I
mean, this was his job to look into these things. I mean,
Chris this, Uh, yeah, he's this guy. He I don't know
how you could doubt what he is saying. He's not he's not pulling this
out of his ass. Yeah, he's credentials are actually impeccable. And I
think you'll find out in the upcoming days and weeks actually how much kind of
sacrifice for getting this information out to the public. You know, Like he's
still very very young, you know, he's very six years old, and
he's put everything on the line for this, and I think we're going to
learn to what extent that is and how brave he is. You know,
he's had a very very good career. He could have kept on going,
you know, kept his head down, but he's chosen actually to speak out
about it. And yeah, I don't think he can doubt his credentials at
this point. And Vinny, I may have made a face when you were
talking a moment ago, and keep that thought in mind about the five eyes
comments that you just made. So yeah, I need to find out if
fucking report it yet though. But it's just like you said it and I
received something at the same time. How weird is that? Like buy your
email? Yeah, like that's really odd. Yeah, sorry, you're what
I would I know if I can say or not. Yeah, Okay,
In case anybody's wondering my Apple remote, my Apple Remote battery is low and
I need to recharge my remote soon. I don't think I can actually get
rid of that anyway. We like to wing it here, Um, okay,
So continuing on here, Uh, statements cleared, So it talks about
how all these statements were cleared by the Pentagon. Grouch asserted that UFL legacy
programs have long been concealed within multiple agencies, nesting UAP activities and conventional secret
access programs without appropriate appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. He said he reported
to Congress on the existence of a decades long, publicly unknown Cold War for
recovered and exploited physical material, a competition with near peer adversaries over the years
to identify UAP crashes landings and retrieve the materials for exploitation, reverse engineering to
garner asymmetric national defense advantages. So sort of foreign crash stuff. Any I'm
not too familiar on what alls occurred. What can you give us sort of
a background on what you've heard as far as other countries and what they have.
Yeah, I mean, we know, obviously we spoke about the Italy
crash. There has been talk of clashes from South America as well. But
in that last couple of paragraphs that you read out, I think an important
word or the wording that I found interesting was that these UAP activities were nesting
and this kind of points to their not just being a secret crash retrieval program,
but that within multiple departments there have been hidden these small activities, as
it says, that have had no oversight and are so hyper compartmentalized that very
few people probably even realized what it actually entails. There's only a few people
with a serious need to know. So I think that that wording was really
important. Yeah, I completely agree. And you know, one thing that
we've always heard is is it's it's these things are run almost like as a
shell game as as a as a method for the Pentagon to keep this stuff
hidden from Congress. M yeah, it's it's it's it's just crazy. So
speaking of Congress, he goes on to say, or the article goes on
to say, Uh, he being Dave, said he reported to Congress on
the existence of a decades long quote. Uh oh, I'm sorry, I
already read that part. Sorry jumped ahead. At beginning in twenty twenty two,
Grouse provided Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages,
which included specific data about the materials recovery program. Congress has not been
provided with physical materials related to wreckage or other non non human non human objects.
Um. Yeah, so you know so, Chris he it sounds like
what he's been providing to Congress that had to have been done in a skiff,
correct. I mean, if if he's giving them classified information, a
not everybody in Congress is going to be privy to it or or would they?
How? How how does that work? Yeah? So, only it
depends what kind of classified information it is, you know, whether it's the
Gang of Eight or whether it's um just like just like the Intelligence and Our
Service Committee, committees that are actually receiving it, because you know, there's
some special access programs, um. That arony kind of like need to know
for the Gang of eight. Basically she's like the chairs of services and intelligence
committees and also the leadership of the House and Senate, so that that's all
depending. And I would go back also to what you were saying earlier about
just kind of like how it's been hidden away and stuff, And I would
say that language is really important as well, because if you look at the
NDAA language, it basically specifies that it's clearly got to be communicated to those
who should know, such as the Gang of eight, so like they could
get away basically we're telling the Gang of eight, look, we've got a
special access program, and then they go into all these kind of like obscure
wording and just kind of like they could just like make anything sound really really
boring, um, whereas actually what they may be talking about is like craft
of non human intelligence. But you know, they may not be communic hating
up very very clearly when they actually do say it to congressional leadership, so
they may have an out on there as well in terms of that, which
is why the language in the NBA is so important because it makes it very
very clear that they've got to clearly communicate such such programs. So I think
that that that's a vital, vital importance because you remember all these little tricks,
um stuff that we use, you know to actually hide things, um
where it's obfuscation or just language in general about how they go about things,
you know. And so yeah, that's very very interesting, Yeah for sure.
And we've had a couple of people donate via super chat, so we
very much appreciate that helps us keep the light lights on. So back to
the congressional part. So, Grucia's investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high
level intelligence officials, some of whom are directly involved with the program, and
by program he means crash retrieval program. He says the operation was illegally shielded
from proper congressional oversight and that he was targeted and harassed because of the investigation.
Grew said that the craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity
and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former who were involved in
these crash retrieval programs. Quote individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my
official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting
against the Federal Acquisitions Regulations Acts. I think what they're saying there, and
other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia.
I mean, Vinny, that's I mean to me, that's a bombshell right
right there. So you have this guy that was harassed, intimidated, various
threats that were leveled against him because the guy was just doing his job,
but he poked on the doors he wasn't supposed to be poking, I guess,
and the gate keepers or the people that are illegally running these programs threatened
him. And yeah, wow, if any of you have you heard,
is this new news or is this something that you've heard with have heard that
this happening with other whistleblowers, any thoughts on that? Yeah, we have,
and I think we spoke about it when we on this show, probably
the last time we were here. We know that whistleblowers were we're getting treated
badly behind the scenes, and it just goes to show the integrity of people
like Grush who you know, whatever has happened, he's come forward, He's
not going to be scared off, you know with what he's been doing.
You know, when people found out that he was investigating, they you know,
they try to kind of put a stop to it. And you know,
here we are with the story out. So it certainly didn't work,
you know, And you said, that is a bombshell that you know,
these craft recovery operations are ongoing at various aspects of various levels of activity right
now, and the individuals that work in them, current and former, are
talking about it to him. I mean, it's just it's the kind of
thing we want to hear, you know, absolutely, yeah, I mean
it's it's mind blowing, Chris. What have you heard in terms of the
harassment and threats towards these whistle blowers. So I think we're going to learn
a lot more in terms of Ross's interview when when that occurs, because I'm
pretty certain that Ross is going to ask that, and you know, I
think all I can say is, I think it's going to be very,
very shocking to a lot of people. But look, you know, I
think currently we've got someone you know, he's very very credible. You've got
the credentials. He's backed up by credible people as well. Now we just
need to go and investigate, and we need to back up these claims as
well with evidence improve And I think I think now is the time for Congress
to really get serious about this, and UM and the and the IG to
get serious about it as well. And I think this goes beyond just one
man being harassed. You know, there's a lot more serious and it raises
really alarming questions about democracy in the USA and democratic oversight transparency. It's just
sad to see because from what I'm looking at here, it looks like intelligence
agencies and various aspects and THEOD are actually conducting behavior you would expect from you
know, the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, but all these experiments were being
conducted against US citizens and all these other intelligence abusers were happening as well.
It seems that they're nothing has changed and need to see themselves as above the
law. And you know that may have repercussion to my own country as well.
So I think it's really serious here because it seems like uf UFOs or
the frontier of democracy, you know, everything's transparent, everything's democratic, but
when he got onto this topic, it's just kind of like everything shuts down.
And I think, really we have to push back, and I would
call you know, various natives and you know veteran government inside is to actually
really come forward now and back up this whisk blower. I mean, they
really do need to back him up. And I think that's I think there
needs to be a serious discussion, and it needs to be a public discussion
as well, because otherwise trust is just going to be eroded and eroded in
you know, American democracy. And you already had qan on. You've got
another election coming up, and you can bet you that Donald Trump is going
to you know, run on that kind of platform, and you might have
a very right to run on that platform if the government can't be trusted and
what we do prove that there's been a cover up. So I think both
Republicans and Democrats have to really get involved at this and keep it bipartisan,
because if it's not, then it could do serious damage to um, you
know, your democracy there in America. And you know when America catches the
cold, you know, the UK catches the flu, and so it packs
us as well in extent. Yeah, I mean, if you think about
it, this is absolute gangster behavior. So the Pentagon or other three letter
agencies engaging in threatening people, um, this is this is like, this
is what the mob does. Kind of mob mentality in the Pentagon that is
clearly illegal. And I've said this before. People will end up in jail
over this. I garn f and tu. It is going to happen.
It's coming. So so yes, let's let's continue with the with the IG
stuff here. So the Inspector General and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with these
details. Several current members of the recovery program crash Recovery Program spoke to the
Inspector General's office and corroborated the information Gruch had provided for the classified complaints.
So it's not just him going to the Inspector General. These are other people
testifying under oath under they cannot perjure themselves going and testifying in front of the
Inspector General. The let's see here his assertion quote. His assertion concerning the
existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub ros over the past eighty years focused
on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin. As fundamentally correct as the indisputable realization
that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derived from non human intelligence,
just came from Carl Nell, a retired Army colonel who worked with Grishaw
on the UAP task Force. Going on here. An unclassified version of the
complaint provided to US states this is again out of the debrief. Here.
All of this is that Grush has direct knowledge that UAP related classified information has
been withheld and or concealed from Congress by elements of the intelligence community quote to
purposive to purposefully and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP program closed quote.
All testimony gru provided for the classified complaint was under oath. Under oath
that's important. According to the unclassified complaint, in July twenty twenty one,
Grouch had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General another IG
concerning the withholding of UAP related information from Congress. He believed that his identity
and the fact that he provided testimony were disclosed to quote to individuals and or
entities closed quote within the Department of Defense and the intelligence community outside the IG's
office. As a result, this is important as a result, Grouch suffered
months of retaliation and reprisals related to these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one.
He asked that the details of these reprisals be withheld to protect the integrity
of the ongoing investigation. So the ICIG found his complaint quote credible and urgent
in July of twenty twenty two. According to Grouse, a summary was immediately
submitted to the Director of the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent Select Committee of Intelligence.
So the bottom line is there is illegal actions that are being taken against people
that it's this is not what this country is about. This is not a
democracy, period. It's CIA or whatever group that is acting like a bunch
of thugs threatening this guy. That's that's not what this country is about.
And and you know, the thing to note here is clearly, um people
in Congress that are on what was it the Senate Armed Services, Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence, And you can go and look online and see what senators
are sitting on this, on this committee. They know about this, They've
been briefed on it. I mean, Chris, what are you seeing any
sort of reaction from people in Congress about this now, I would say I
didn't. I did see earlier that Republican Senator Tim Berschett from Tennessee, who
I may not politically agree with, but man, my hat is off to
that man for taking a stand. He vouched for Dave grug So, an
American congressman, vouched that what he is saying is true. Sorry, I
went on around anyway, Chris Uh, interrupt my rant. Please, there's
no reaction, and that's that's the thing that's troubling to me at the moment,
that there's no reaction, and it's just very very sad I see it
currently because these a senators and representatives say paved the way with the legislation these
miss Flowers to come forward. I think, you know, there's some frustration
there because it's moving so slowly. And I think you've got the frets as
well, which may pose a danger to life as well, which may be
the reason why this has come out now speculation on my part, and I
think that you know, when you get something like this, I think it's
up to the senators and representatives to actually get behind him at least just say,
look, even if they can't one hundred percent verify his claims, and
I know that they have verified to some extent by the way they have verified
his claims to some extent. I know that for a fact. But even
if they don't want to say that publicly, they could say some line saying
that, I think that, you know, we've got to take these claims
on this person very very seriously, and yes, we are aware of him.
Don't have to go any further than that, but you have to give
him some public backing. And that's something that really scares me at the moment
that that's not occurring, that there politicians are being too conservative. And as
I said, you know, this is high risk, high reward because if
it ends up being forced yet you've got a lot of egg on your face.
I don't think it is, because he's so credible and there's lots of
people backing up as well. More than that I know behind the scenes too,
um, you know, and if it is correct, then you could
have some life chain, life altering technologies come forward and things that we could
never dreamed of before. So high risk, high reward, and I think
that, you know, I think Johnathan Kennedy once wrote about political courage and
how it was Key wrote the whole book on it, and there was ever
a time for political courage, it's now, it's now. So I'm really
really hoping that we do get some reaction from from these political leaders. It's
time for them to show leadership when it comes to this, because this is
a question of democracy and democratic tenets that the USA was founded on, which
being a brit I'm quite jealous of to a certain extent. So yeah,
it's very very important. Then you're shaking your head head, Yes, what
do you think if you were to speculate, why have we other than than
Congressman timber Chet, Where is the support? Why? Why do you think
that they're there is such silence right now? Do you think that they're just
shell shocked about what is coming out? If you were to guess, why,
where where are these people? Where? Where is this leadership? I
mean, that's a very good question, and I'm almost afraid to speculate.
But I think one thing, you know, if we start seeing the mainstream
media outlets stop picking up on this story, especially after News Nation as the
you know, the Interview special and things like that, it's going to be
very hard for them to just sit there and not say anything at all.
So I think, you know, we've had the debrief story out today that
went really well, Timberschetz commented, But yeah, once we got the news
nation into you out, I think it'd be very We lost them there,
Okay, so we'll try and get him, get him back on and here
in a second when I can step away. So yeah, so moving on
here. So, uh, Jonathan Gray, there you've got bars. Jonathan
Gray, the intelligence officer specializing in UAP analysis of the National Air and Space
Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time. Gray said that immense
capabilities are not merely relegated to the study of the prosa quote. The existence
of complex historical programs involving the coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back
to the earlier twentieth century should no longer remain secret. Quoth the majority of
retrieved foreign exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation in origin, but not all,
and any number higher than zero in this category represents an undeniably significant percentage.
So, because I'm going to hand it off to you while I try
to get a Vinnie back on the line here, so Chris Sharp show,
So yeah, I think we need to take Jonathan Gray ready ree series in
terms of his claims here. So I mean he's got knowledge what's going on
in terms of NASI, which is a major part of this effort based from
you know, Right past Anair Hall Space and in a way the genesis of
this story is from you know this this place where they do the do the
reverse engineering of foreign aircraft. Um, they've got a history for instance of
doing that with Russian aircraft from nineteen seventies and eighties, UM, some famous
cases as well. But that's where all the alleged rumors have been, including
of the Italian craft that crashed apparently in nineteen thirty three outside Milan. There's
been claims that the bodies were kept there for instance. So NASIS very important
and also you know, overseeing going on there was what in terms of Right
pass An Air Force Space was General past Land. Again the genesis story of
this whole thing coming out of Right pass An Air Force Space here. So
that's that's really really important when we're looking at this. And I think Jonathan
Gray is someone who we should take very very seriously. And I think it's
not just grush here that we should be concentrating and focusing on. It's actually
Jonathan Gray as well, who's actually you know, he's basically saying that there's
like being briefings as well for like the last ten years on this UAP topic,
so you know, on a need to know basis. So it seems
to me that the genie is already out, that certain people already know about
it. But it's just a shame really that you know, we've got people
like Moultrie and Brace saying we know nothing about you what these things in the
sky. Then we've got a completely separate part of the US government and people
representing the US government basically claiming we know what they are. And actually we've
got retrieved craft as well. So I mean, what's going on here?
You know? And I think this is a problem as well. When we
speak about the US government, we treat it as one entity, but it's
actually a lot of competing factions, oftentimes in conflict with each other. That
either way, we need to get to some of this. And I think
at the moment, my money is on trusting Jonathan Gray and you know,
Whistleblow is rather than the like Submultrie and Kirkpatrick. Yeah, I don't trust
Maultrie as far as I can see as Yeah, not at all anyway.
So and talking about Gray here, so the article continues, classified briefings are
often presented for Jonathan Gray and his team at NASIK A quote high level classified
briefing materials exist in which real world scenarios involving uap as evidenced by historical examples,
are made available to intelligence personnel on a need to know basis. He
told us, quote, I have been again, Jonathan Gray. I've been
the recipient of such briefings for almost almost a decade. So yeah, so
it's as you said, this just further reinforces it. Um. Now in
the in the National Defense Authorization Act that that Senator Gillibrand who was recently on
our show and Marco Rubio and others. Uh, part of that legislation relating
to UFOs UAPs was this whistleblower protection. And you know, one of the
questions that we have asked is we have not been able to get a hold
of the legal written instruments for exactly how these how these this whistleblower protection mechanism
actually works. Uh. And in the article. Here, they say the
case of David Grush marks a crucial test of these new whistleblower protections and their
ability to protect future wist future whistleblowers who decide to come forward. Jonathan Gray
assess secrets may have been have been necessary quote through a tough nut to crack.
Potential technological advancements may be gleaned from non human intelligence UF retrievals by any
sufficiently advanced nation and then used to wage asymmetric warfare, so therefore some secrecy
must remain, he says. However, it is no longer necessary to continue
to deny that these advanced technologies derived from non human intelligence exist at all,
or to deny that these technologies have landed, crashed, or fallen into the
hands of human beings you know. Grus goes on to say here in the
article that it was dangerous for this eighty years arm race to continue in secrecy
because it further inhibits the world populace to be prepared for an unexpected non human
intelligence contact contact scenario. I hope this revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically
and provides a generally generally uniting issue for nations of the world to reassess their
priorities. So I mean, Vinny, you I had they done the right
thing eighty years ago and come clean with the world, not just the American
public, the world that they have crashed alien craft, where would I can't
even imagine where we would be right now. We would certainly be in a
better place. What do you think, Well, you say that, but
then if you look at it on the other side of the coin, you
know, that's a potential of eighty or even potentially ninety years if we're talking
about the itany crash, and that that's ninety years of foreign adversaries and America
using this technology for negative purposes, turning it into two weapons. So it
could have just elevated the wars that we see. We don't know. Yes,
it could have been used and put to good purpose, and it could
have, you know, really pushed humanity years ahead of where we are now.
So there's two sides of the coin, isn't then you know, I
think you're good to kind of think about potentially both of them. That's a
that is a very very fair point. And you know, and of course
we're we're what is it back to your quarter or Monday night quarterbacking or whatever
whatever that whatever that phrase is. You know, christ One thought as well,
is this thing being illegally hidden for members of Congress, but more importantly
hidden from uh, some of our best and brightest scientists in the world because
it's so it's so compartmented. Um. I think it's the real question is
because of this overclassification, because of how this program has been illegally run,
it puts our adversaries such as China and Russia at a great advantage because,
you know, especially China, and I've heard this with Russia as well.
They have tons of people in academy science working to reverse what they have versus
here in the US, you've got Moultrie and all these other folks running this
illegally clamp down thing. It really really jeopardizes national security for all of democracy.
Oo are you muted? Nope? Still there any you hear men?
Sorry? There we go. Okay, Chris, there we go. You're
back on. There's angles that you can take this now. So like,
firstly, I mean I see tweets sometimes saying look look at all the UFO
reporting around the world. You know, it's all from America, in the
UK, it's the Western sphere and stuff like that. And that's like really
angry itself because we're talking about like English speaking UFO reporting programs are reporting is
in the first place, so that actually the person who puts it out,
it's basically saying more about their ignorance because China actually has the largest UFO organization
in the world. Um, I think it's about one hundred fowls and people.
Actually and to actually get onto this into this group, you have to
like have like a peer review papers. How big did you say this was
what China's doing. I need, I need, I need to verify this
now because I think it's I think it's a hundred fowls. And last time
I know that they're using AI apparently to try and analyze analyze this. Yeah.
Yeah, so like this is just like there, Um, this is
just like a group like a civilian group, but like it's made up of
scientists and stuff like that. Um. So what they did is they ran
the it was like the Five Consonants meeting the genesis of of the Ice or
effort and the Project Titan effort for San Marino. So, um, you
had like the Chinese UFO organization by the way, which couldn't exist, it
wasn't for the Chinese government given the go ahead to exist, you know.
Um, And so i'll get I'll get that to you later in that's that's
okay, very high and they're all highly qualified as well to actually become editors.
So it's it's quite bewildering when you think about that. And they held
various um, they held two events, one in China it was chuan Qing
and the over one in Moscow, and you had like all you had like
cosmonauts attend and all these various kind of like professionals and stuff and um,
people from engineering backgrounds, scientists, and these were big, big events that
they were holding, and they flew people from all around the world to actually
attend them as well, including representatives from the UK, Italy, sam Marino,
and a bunch of other countries as well, who then went on to
form the iSER and the involved in the effort to get sam Marino to go
to the UN because initially the Chinese and Russians wanted to actually go to the
UN through this this this kind of like series of events to the holding.
Um, sorry, it's my son. Sorry, if you go on,
I'll just yeah, no, yeah, no, no, no worries at
all. So let's let's take some listener questions. So well, uh,
well, Chris's uh take care of things over at home. We'll put this
to Vinny. So this is from a Royan crow and on a scale of
one to ten, how big is this whistleblower interview? Do you think I
mean it has a potential to be a ten? Of course it does.
I mean I'm not going to play it down in any way, shape or
form. I think it's good to reiterate that it's the beginning. It's still
to me it's day one of this this new kind of momentum. So yeah,
I think it's a ten, and I think we just need to hope
that it remains a ten with more information. Yeah, I can completely completely
agree with that. Let's see Paranormal Pixie donated two dollars. Thank you Paranormal.
Uh okay, there's a question, Echoes and Loafi, does the do
D have the power to hold this info back from the world? Uh?
I can't see how this is. No, it's illegal exactly. Yeah,
yeah, that's illegal for for sure for sure. Okay, super crazy movie
geek. Uh, Skinny Bob fake or real? Were the Skinny Bob video,
I don't know, fake fake, I'm gonna say yeah, yeah,
I would agree, agree with agree with that. Uh actually Chris just came
in skinny Chris, Skinny Bob real or fake? Definitely fake um from my
But just going back to that China thing. So yeah, the plan was
submarine, but then they just got the whole episod some reason. But look,
that's a serious effort. They can get lots of people into this looking
to UAP and stuff. In the US. For example, if you've got
like a drug, if you've taken drugs or something like that, and I'll
test you on that, then you can't even get the clearance is involved.
And a lot of the best scientists in the world have done drugs, you
know. That's how they can get their creativity flowing. And yet it's right,
you know, among them. So if you can't you just qualify a
scientist because of that, that that's really really bad. But also there's a
different angle would approaching this as well, that if the US has actually found
new technologies and it does have like outstanding capabilities beyond, way beyond what China
has, then that needs to be made clear to the Chinese, to the
Russians. So it's kind of like, don't mess with us, you know,
we're we're top dogs. I think that's kind of like thinking as well.
Instead of just like waiting for China to pounce and do something on Taiwan
and then using your weapons like jumping in like that and getting to show off
and destroy stuff, it's kind of like, well, actually, why not
to show some of our capability? Right? So that actually never happens in
the first place, and that's an ongoing debate within the DoD in the intelligence
community, I know, definitely. So yeah, okay, here's another one
from Sorry George Sank why I'm probably butchering your name their apologies, Vinny.
Do they have bodies and as this a low leak prep for disclosure, do
they have bodies? I mean, I think this is what it could potentially
lead to. Absolutely, do they have bodies? Well, I mean,
if we're to believe some of these crash retrieval or crashes that have happened,
let's again go back to the nineteen thirty three case in Italy. It has
been said that there were bodies retrieved from that incident. So, you know,
do we take the whole incident that we've heard in the past and believe
all of it, or do we cherry pick the bits that we want to
believe, you know, if we're to take it all, then yes,
it was a craft with bodies, So yeah, the potential is there.
Of course, what we need now is, yes, more whistleblowers to come
out, but we need the general public. We need the evidence put in
front of us, you know. And I like to think that in time,
with these investigations being done correctly by the Inspector General and others, that
will get there eventually. So I just hope that the process is done right.
And yeah, I'm looking forward to to full disclosure right indeed, Chris
super crazy movie Geek asks when do you think mainstream media will pick up and
run these stories? If ever, what's the final part? That's a good
question. They need to wake up again. You're mute, Sorry that you're
mute, just like the mainstream media is a mute anyway, Chris, go
ahead. They're going to be very very cautious about that, you know,
because they'll need so they can report what the debrief report is that these reported
and debrief because the debrief has kind of done the verification stuff, but if
they're going to take it on themselves, they'll need to do their own independent
verification. You know about Grush and these alleged programs and other things as well,
So they'll need to do that and they'll so I think you have to
wait to certain extents that these news organizations can really have some time to look
over it really before going out there and reporting on it. But they'll need
to be satisfied. But look, I mean, Washington Post really surprised me
because it's motto is that democracy dies in darkness, and we're talking about,
you know, a proud publication here that prided itself on kind of uncovering such
news, and now it's just it's just not the same. And I think
this is a very very good example about how the legacy media is really just
lost trust and they're unwilling to actually look into such controversial things now, which
may be true. So I think that's really serious. But you were mentioning
the Italian bodies actually, so I've got a description here about how they supposedly
looked if you want me just to read it out quickly. It's from an
article that I wrote. So this is from an After that, I wrote,
two bodies allegedly lay on a table. They look like twins. They're
dead and preserved themold hyde themolde hyde. The bodies are in bad shape.
They look like victims of a bad car accident, but the heads remain intact.
But it features trouble. French biologies invited to study the bodies. Two
males, very tall around seven foot long, blonde hair, very high and
spacious foreheads, clear blue eyes that look somewhat asiatic, small noses, small
moles, small chins, finlets, very clear, pale skin but no signs
of facial hair. Their hands all though slender, human like. Their toes
are too small and their feet flat. The story got weirder. Their skin
appears perfectly white but shows no signs of kerating granules, which play an important
role in providing natural moisturization for the skin in addition to UV protection and water
retention. Startingly, the biologists discovered that their lymphatic systems are dominant and practically
replace the blood system, providing a high degree of protection from any disease.
They were not human, at least as we know it, so that was
an account there From Leonards Springfield about apparent French biologists who got invited to look
at these bodies from this alleged Italian craft that crashed, and the rumor was
that they saw the bodies and they thought they were German. Um. So
I don't know like that, that's just rumor. But I just thought,
look, you know, i've reported it a speculation that you know, I
just thought it's quite interesting little thing. Let's see if we could potentially verify
that as accurate, if there were bodies. But yeah, it's it's a
very interesting case indeed. But we've also got a guy involved as well,
William William Brophy, who, according to Dean Johnson, was a disinformation agent,
so you know, he's made allegations about this this craft as well.
So we've got to be quite careful when actually looking at the information presented about
this alleged crash. Uh yeah, wow. I want to give some shout
out here. A contact Tour donated ten dollars, Thank you very much.
Owen from Ohio donated three dollars, Thank you so much. Let's see somebody
else four ninety nine from somebody else anyway, thank you for the thank you
for the donations. So we'll go through a few more questions here. I
want to make sure we all have time to take a potty break and grab
a drink or whatever before this News Nation interview airs, which will be in
around thirty minutes, and I encourage everyone to tell your friends about it to
watch this. This is really important for all of us to listen to what
has been occurring under our noses that's been hidden from the American public. So
let me see, we'll do a couple more questions here, Vinny, do
you think the US government will admit anything being alleged in this story? If
yes, how soon? No, no idea of time scales, But I
think if they're backed into a corner enough, with enough whistleblowers coming forward,
with Congress doing the right thing, the Inspector General of the IC investigation,
then it might come to that in an ideal world. I just don't know,
and it's it's a very speculative, you know, thing to sort of
talk about, and of course i'd like to see it happen. I guess
it's just a waiting game, yeah for sure. So I'm going to kind
of quickly go through these other questions, and if we didn't get to your
question, apologies. Let's see Pete at the Paranormal blit Pod. Do you
think this changes the conversation for Lazar now? What do you guys think?
Yes? Or no? No? No, Chris, no, no,
no, not at all. But I think this kind of like supersedes um
theizar now because we've got someone you know, has put all these credentials out
there now, if not common to question, yet various people about for him,
and he's got claims just as astonishing as Lazarre excepts and the fact that
we don't think he actually had physical contact with the actual craft themselves. But
look, the next step will be actually to see if we can get some
of these people that have directly dealt with the programs to actually speak in public
as well. Let's see if it gets to that point. Okay, yan
Tiri, do you think the government backs are to the wall now? Yes?
Or no? Vinny, yeah, definitely dress what was the question?
A sorry Okay, I said, as the government's back up against the wall,
I'd say that's a pretty big yes. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Like dods On like panic made right now, they weren't prepared for this news
at all. Otherwise you would have had a holding statement. At least there
is no holding statement. They're panicking, they're probably going to be up away
beyond midnight tonight, just trying to think responses that they're going to do work
in the various agencies and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's a
very very interesting situation right now. Paul Susan by the way, yeah,
yeah, sorry, you know, I'm sure she's pulling out her I'm sure
she's pulling out her textbooks from when she got her masters in psychological warfare.
So she's probably pulling out the textbooks figuring out, oh, how can I
lie to these people some more and get them to get them to believe it?
Okay. Question also from Jennifer Curtis, Matt, have you reached out
to Jilla Brand? The answer is yes, I've reached out to her staff
and gave them my take on what I would recommend they do and how to
handle it, which essentially Senator Jilla Brand I basically said, this is a
unique opportunity for the Senator to get ahead of this and really support support.
Dave Ryan asks, will you three come chat after the broadcast? I would
love to. I would say, you, gentlemen, are more than welcome
to but we do have that News Nation interview with Dave Gruce coming in in
twenty five minutes. This is from Home. Has anyone asked the Vatican their
thoughts quickly, Chris? Have you heard anything about that someone's done their research
and the Salian case? Because the rumor had it that the Americans are tip
top by the Vatican when it came to that case, that someone's done their
homework. Let's see what comes out. Let's see what comes out, because
yeah, they might need to be some response to the Vatican to this if
the room is put out there by day. But let's just see what he
says. If the rumor is put up put out there, then fair gang.
We'll also comment. Okay, final question here in the apologies that we
haven't been able to get to all the questions have really been some great questions,
but but this one is really great. CCC donated and asked what can
the average citizen do to help with disclosure? If any what can what can
what can what can people do to help this move this out and get this
away from these secret keepers? I think it's now is it's probably even more
important than before to continue to contact your representatives, especially now that we have
this, this this fuel, this ammunition to kind of help, you know,
say, these people are coming forward behind the scenes because they feel that
the public has the right to know. So, you know, Congress needs
to get in there, do their job and get that information out to the
public. So, yeah, continue contacting your representatives, Chris Thoughts, I
think you're muted contact just like the mainstream press. Sorry, let's start over.
Just just contact your representatives. Just put the basic information out there to
them of the case, and just ask them some questions. You know,
have they been briefed on this? If true, what does it mean,
would they be should they be calling for a church committee? Does democracy stop
at the dud? There's some really vital questions that need to be asked and
answered this time. Unfortunately, I don't see much of the media actually holding
them to account at the moment. So it's up to citizens to do their
job now. And I've got full faith there's some excellent people on UFA Twitter,
and you know, I think they're more than capable of doing this.
And if you're going to speak, speak out now, now is the time
to act. So I just received a statement from Congressman timber Chett. Hi,
Matthew, you can read the quote below a tributable to Representative Burchette quote.
Again, this is from Congressman Tim Burchett. Dave gruche is right to
push for this information to be made public. I'm not sure what everybody is
so afraid of or why the top people in the chain of command keep covering
this up. If if David has credible information about UAP discoveries, Congress and
the public should know about it. We should all keep fighting to get this
all out in the open. Best. Congressman Tim Breschett. That's a powerful
statement, and any thoughts. I mean, I just hope that, like
we said earlier, that other people are willing to step up to the plate
who are in a position, you know, such as that to start doing
something or at least start speaking about it. Show us some cohones exactly.
Chris, Yeah, I just I just hope other political representatives actually take his
lead and actually speak out as well. Um, they're just too coocious.
I'm sorry, they're just too colcious, these politicians are. They need to
be more outspoken on this. I completely he said, I completely agree.
You know, so, folks, here here's here's kind of the takeaway of
it. One read this deep this article in the debrief, it will open
your eyes too. And if twenty minutes watch the News Nation interview. But
you know, here are the things to consider. The American government or elements,
rogue elements in the American government have been illegally hiding this from the American
people in the world. They've been illegally hiding this from Congress. That should
be enraging enough. But what should really enrage you is that you have elements
of the government, either in the CIA or whatever, that are harassing our
men and women serving our country, men and women in uniform, men and
women that such as Dave Grusch, that have served this country in ways that
we will probably never find out about. One of the things I noted in
the article he was this. Dave was one of the people that would provide
information that went into the Presidential Daily Brief. So you have to ask yourself,
as Americans, as as people that support support democracy, are you going
to stand by let your senators and congressmen not take a stand. You know,
luckily timber Schett just did. Congressman timber Schett, But you got to
call these people up. You call your congressman, call your senator, say
to them we have a right to know this. But moreover, we do
not live in a country where people are threatened by the government. It's it's
wrong on so many levels. You, if you care about democracy, get
on the phone and call your representative those call your congressman and tell them this
is not how democracy operates. So enough of myne rant there, Vinny,
how can people find you? Yeah, just head on over to Twitter.
It's disclosure at Disclosure Team with an underscore afterwards. So yeah, go and
check me out there and from there you can find me on YouTube and Instagram
and everywhere else. Excellent, Chris, how can we find you? So
www dot Liberation Times dot com. That's my website. I also wrote for
the daiate email as well, so keep checked out for articles on there,
and then my Twitter is at Chris uk shop. And also just to announce
as well, I got an email and it was really weird. I said
I'd brought up this. So Vinny was mentioning about five eys in countries speaking
out so as he was saying that I got I got an email from Canada's
Department at Defense confirming that the UAP needs did take place, as stated by
the ARRAY Director, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick at the recent NASA meeting. And remember
this is something that the UK's Ministry of Defense was unable to do, which
is crazy, and it tells you the level of secrecy that we're dealing with
in the UK. And the statement goes the Canadian Armed Forces is confirmed that
an informal five AS forum took place on the issue of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena between
our allies, and that Kirkpatrick gave a presentation on that subject. Our nation's
military is routine the exchange information on a number of subjects part of our long
standing corporations, partners and defense. While details of the meeting remained classified,
it can be characterized as the sharing of information on the subject of UAP and
no further details can be shared at this time. The sharing of information is
an example of the ongoing important relationship between our militaries. So isn't that great?
We've got some um, we've got some transparency from from Kindada. Maybe
maybe I will move there. Uh That's I love that. Uh yeah,
I mean wow, that's uh it's finally people are are are speaking up and
and uh, you know certainly you know I'm I'm a Democrat, and I've
been messaging uh to my political connections that they this has to be kept by
partisan and um and that you can't just keep burying your heads on the sand.
The cat is out of the bag. And with this article today in
debrief, it's you know, you're either gonna be ahead of the narrative or
you're gonna be uh following everybody else. And it's time for our world leaders,
uh members of our Congress senators to to show some balls, show some
leadership and do the right thing for democrat or see, I know, I
know you can do it. Anyway, guys, thanks for joining us again.
In fifteen minutes, news Nation, watch the interview, I can't wait,
and yeah, I'm gonna make some popcorn. Vinny Adams, thank you
for joining us. Chris Sharp. We look forward to your future articles in
the Liberation Times and the Daily Mail, and I think probably in a few
days we're going to be having some really interesting conversations. Anyway, Thanks everyone
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