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We very much appreciate it. So
today The Debrief published a bombshell article by

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Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, and
the article, intelligence officials confirmed that the

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United States is in possession of multiple
intact crashed UFOs, joining us to break

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this to break this breaking story down
is our good friends. Here. On

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the left we have Christopher Sharp from
the Liberation Times, always always working,

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and on the right Vinnie Adams from
Disclosure Team. Guys, how are you.

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I'm good, Thank you, really
happy to be here. So I'm

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glad. I'm glad you guys are
here. I really we really do appreciate

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it. So, you know,
so first things, you know, first

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we're going to break down this article. And but a question for both of

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you, how how significant is this? Yeah? I think this is I

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think this is a huge step in
the right direction. It's something that we've

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kind of heard rumors about for some
time now, and I'm just glad that

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it came today. You know,
we had the talk of the Washington Post

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breaking a story recently, and you
know, nothing really came, and it

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was getting a bit nerve wracking.
So yeah, the story dropped. I'm

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really pleased with it. It's been
an extremely busy day of been on the

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phone all day, answering emails,
chatting with all sorts of people, and

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so yeah, it's day one of
something what I considered to be quite big

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going forward. I couldn't agree more
Chris, Well, what are your thoughts?

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How how big a deal is this? It's ginormous, isn't it really?

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And I get quite emotional thinking about
it, because around about this time

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last year is when I first started
reporting about whistleblowers and how the intelligence authorization

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draft language I hadn't come from a
vacuum. It was actually because whistleblowers alleging

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crash retrievile programs and reverse engineering programs
to come forward. And when when you're

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doing something like that, you doubt
yourself, you know, and you're thinking,

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gosh, like we're going from some
thing that aviators are seeing in the

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skies. We just don't know what
they are yet to like a full on

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conspiracy that you see in movies,
you know, and you know, wanting

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to cement myself as a journalist,
I'm thinking to myself, oh my gosh,

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she said, like the highest risk, you know, highest reward kind

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of thing I could I could do. But look, I come at this

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as a journalist reporting this story as
a scandal, and I side with the

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whistleblowers, like, you know,
like like any scandal. You know,

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being a journalist, you should approach
your front whistle blo You should investigate them.

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You know, I've made this analogy
before. It's like, you know,

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Watergate. You know, when you're
given the tip off, you don't

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just go to season Goths or Nixon's
office and say, oh, they said

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no, or I fired this and
it said it didn't tell me anything.

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You know, in case clothes,
you know, you actually investigate it.

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You read between the lines, because
as we've seen with the Church Communite and

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MK Ultra and things like that.
Look, there's a history of kind of

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miss troops that come out of the
intelligence community and the d D as well.

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Because there's so many scandals have gone
on in history, you know that

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we should not take what they say
at at face value. So I feel

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pretty emotional, and I just feel
that, you know, David is such

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a hero coming forward, and it's
revelationary, and I think it's going to

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be like an avalanche from here.
I'm expecting bigger things to come now,

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and it's very exciting. I totally
agree. So, So here's a still.

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This is the article. So intelligence
officials say US has retrieved craft of

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non human origin. This article is
by Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal of The

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New York Times. Fame and this
appeared this morning yet in the debrief,

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and I highly recommend if you if
people haven't read this article, it's quite

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extensive. Um, and it's primarily
revolving around this, uh, this whistle

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blower, Dave. How do you
is it grouche? How do you?

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How do you say his last name? I actually not sure. I think

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it's grouchy. Yeah, I believe
I think it's yeah. Okay, well,

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well you can just say the British
pronunciation is grush, American pronunciation gruyere.

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Smarties maintaing right, and you know, and you know, so he

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you know, he was a entire
operative. He's he's kind of been all

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over the place. And we'll get
into a little bit of that in the

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art call um and uh, sorry, somebody from Washington, DC is calling

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and I'm not gonna pick that up. Um anyway, uh huh so anyway,

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yeah, so this guy sorry,
kind of threw me there. Um,

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So did you is it surprising to
both of you to uh, you

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know, to uh, I'm sure
me and Vinnie can actually just go for

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the article for one moment. We've
done it before. We've been here before,

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haven't we be any dissection and stuff
we have indeed. Yea. So

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my question is is it is it
a surprise um the caliber of this whistleblower

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to come come forward? Uh?
I mean, this guy has serious credentials.

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Chris, What do you think I
don't think so. No. As

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someone who's kind of reported this for
the last year or so, I knew

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that there were very, very credible
people behind the scenes who'd been interested in

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this, you know, and you
know, David is thirty six years old.

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We always knew that there was a
younger generation, you know, working

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in these agencies and offices, and
they had a different approach to things.

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You know. It wasn't this cold
war mentality, you know that we should

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shut up about this for natural security
stake and be a proud American. No,

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that there's a different mindset going for
it now. Is that the current

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times that we're living in it's unsustainable? You know, like humans have launched

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walls in each other for thousands of
years now, you know, and if

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you look at it from a macro
pitch, we now have nuclear weapons.

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You know, how is this sustainable? When looking at it from like a

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wider, bigger picture in terms of
what us humans are capable of doing to

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each other. And you've only got
the look at what's going on with the

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Ukraine and Russia, the barbarity,
you know. And when you get people

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and emotional mindset, they make irrational
decisions, you know. And I think

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that the one topic that could bring
us together is this, you know,

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you know, something visiting our planet
and you know, some people say it's

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a threat, some people say that
they're here for the good mankind. But

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I have a way. I feel
that we've got to respond together as one,

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one planet. And that's quite inspiring, isn't it. And I say

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that as a proud proud Brits as
well. And but yeah, I think

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it's um, it's time that we
kind of like get together as a planet.

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And I hope I don't sound like
too woosh and hippie, but like

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these people like that and because it's
it's not sustainable now with the weapons they

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thought, so I wasn't surprised at
all about eventually coming out. So yeah,

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sorry, any of your thoughts.
Yeah, And I mean the article

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makes it quite clear that there are
people in the intelligence community who feel that

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there is no longer any good reason
to withhold this from the general pub like

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any longer. You know. Um, credit to Ralph and Leslie for the

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article, but extra credit also needs
to go to the Debrief and their investigative

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team of Tim McMillan and I think
Sean and Craig were also a part of

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it, who separately vetted a lot
of the information and important points in this

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article. They actually bolsted it by
adding to the original story that Leslie and

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Ralph put together, and so for
them to be able to do that really

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adds a lot of weight to it
as well. Yeah, I in that

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sentiment, Look, I knew the
Throws coming out last week, and I

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did want the Daily Mail to report
it, like like any reports, you

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know, I'm like, give it
to me, you can't brief. And

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they've done an amazing job, you
know. I just want to give a

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shout out to everyone that works so
you know, um, you know,

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you've got You've got Chrissy, You've
got Meeka, Um, Tim McMillan,

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and then my good friend Sean and
Craig as well, who did a lot

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of the groundwork. And I'm just
so proud of them for all they've done.

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And yeah, just so thank you
to everyone at the Debrief. You've

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done an amazing job, and you
know, Washington Post didn't have the guts

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to do it, and a lot
of other media publications may have been in

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the same position as well, And
it just proves that, you know,

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legacy media is fading, and you've
got publications like The Debrief who will stand

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up. And they've got an immense
resource of talent as well that can really

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give a lot of these mainstream publications
a run for their money. So yeah,

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thumbs up to all those guys.
And obviously you know goes about saying

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Ralph and Messi as well, legends
of the field. Yeah. Absolutely,

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And it was funny, you know, you're talking about the mainstream press.

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I watched the entire White House press
conference today just waiting for somebody from the

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mainstream media to ask a question about
this, and absolutely nothing. These folks

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are completely asleep at the wheel.
And and you know, my head is

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off to people like yourself, Chris
and inventing your work on this, and

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other folks that have really done a
lot of work, Uh, you know,

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Mark von Rennen Camp and uh,
you know, and other journalists and

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for sure Leslie and Ralph Um.
But you know, one one person in

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particular that I really want to tip
my hat. Uh too? Is Ross

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coltheart um so later today? I
believe it's six pm Eastern on News Nation.

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They're going to air. I think
it's like a one hour sit down

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interview with Dave and man. Ross
is my freaking hero. Ross. If

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you're listening, I would love for
you to come on the show. You

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you have an open invitation anytime.
So So, speaking of which, let's

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let's watch a very short clip,
kind of a promo clip from the News

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News Nation tonight only on News Nation. Bombshell claims from a military whistleblower published

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this morning alleging a secret UFO retrieval
program within the US government. When you

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say retrieval, what do you make? These are retrieving non human origin technical

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vehicles, you know, call it
spacecraft if you will. It's probably not

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the right parlance, but no kidding, non human exotic origin vehicles that have

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either landed or crashed. We have
spicecraft from another species? We do?

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Yeah? How many? Quite a
number? All right? Pique your interests?

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Tune in for the full report tonight
on Elizabeth Vargas reports Why that whistle

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blower says his claims are credible plus
you'll hear from the journalist broke the story

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this morning, that exclusive interview only
on News Nations starting tonight six pm Eastern.

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Wow, quite a number of vehicles. It's not like they've just got

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a couple of these sitting in the
garage. It sounds like they've got a

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whole fleet of them. Yeah.
Wow, Chris, what do you think

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about that? That's wow. I
can't wait to watch this whole interview tonight.

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It's going to be unbelievable. Hats
off to Ross and likewise, he's

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a real hero, and I think, um, I think maybe you could

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liken it to like, you know, the debrief and Ralph and they're seeing

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all those guys are laying the groundwork
here, just providing the credentials sources to

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back it up, making clear this
guy is really really, you know,

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credible basically, and if that's done, they rolled out the carpet. And

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now I feel that with Ross being
such a forensic, you know, journalist

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as he is, I think we're
going to really be in a treat for

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more revelations, let's say, in
shocking revelations. And it's already been alluded

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to by Ross that you know,
we're talking about crash retrievals go back before

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Roswar, which which takes us back
to potentially potentially I say, nineteen thirty

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three and in Italy outside of Milan, where there is actually some documentation which

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I'm looking to verify from Missdini's office
about a crashed craft which came down and

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it's kind of like, you know, it's telling people to shut up about

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it, and they're reporting this can't
get out, and yeah, that should

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be very interesting. And apparently Marconi
I think it was the adventure of the

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radio, wasn't it, And you
know, obviously being Italian and he was

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basically the lead scientist on this project
basically to find out what it was.

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And firstly they thought it was German. There are some accounts that they found

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some bodies in the craft that kind
of like Arian and they thought it must

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be Germans, you know, and
then they they found out that it wasn't.

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And the rumor is that after World
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America to go Ohio, let's say, so, yeah, I really can't

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wait that That's just speculation for me, as you know, I love to

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speculate, So comes out very What
was your reaction to that club. Yeah,

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I mean it's amazing, and I'm
just going to follow on from what

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Chris said there with this Italy case. I mean that that era in the

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thirties up to the early forties with
the group that Marconi headed, this Gabinetta

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RS thirty three, I think there
was two or three major UFO cases that

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happened that in that kind of ten
year period. And I found these cases

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very fascinating in the past few years. Even though there's there's very little information

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out there, there are little bits
and bobs, and you know, if

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that turns out to be kind of
the beginning of this legacy program, crash

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retrieval program, then you know,
that's going to just blow my mind even

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more so. Yeah, I think
you know, this interview that Ross did

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with David Grush is a seven hour
interview, and Ross and Bryce have both

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made it quite clear that they're really
keyed on getting the raw interview all seven

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hours out to the public if possible. Seven seven hours, that's a lot

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of monss. I figured this thing
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Seven hours. Yeah, the raw
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Sorry, sorry to interrupt, so
please please continue no, and that's it,

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you know. So I'm a little
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things about what we're going to see
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is that this News Nation show tonight
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special with more or different clips,
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we will get the raw seven hours, so potentially three different versions of the

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interview coming out. Maybe it's just
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air a little bit right now,
but I'm excited and yeah, well and

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just over an hour and a half
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wait to check it out after this
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last. Oh, I know,
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has there then any you know,
in your work for the Liberation Times.

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Have there has there been any sort
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Sure? So, Odi and I
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to this. There's no response.
Got I got pretty aggressive, but the

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spokes best actually try trying to get
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yeah, this person's really really nice. But but yeah, they're they're sticking

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to their line no comment. But
obviously we're talking about some really really serious

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allegations here that if you have some
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and they've been hidden, you know, from congressional oversight, that's kind of

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like undermining democracy, you know,
and it's very serious. This is HARKing

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back to them Ka Ultra, so
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a fundamental basis of democracy. And
it's very very serious if that's if that's

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happening. And I feel that although
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to decline to comment, that they
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is just too serious now because we're
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democracy may be undermined itself, and
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response to that in some firm investigation. So I reported back in I think

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it was January now that those insiders
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and I think we've just got a
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terms of that because the Senate Intelligence
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Church Committee. You know, there
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that's something that we should keep an
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there's no official comments so far?
They are so they had a team meeting

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this morning, A team A team
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of like I called up, you
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Come on, anybody, what's your
holding response? You know, And

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they're like, oh, no,
I'm sorry, we're just in the team

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meeting them At the moment, there's
no one. Yeah, and they still

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got as of this time that they
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they are coordinating with various agencies at
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So there is some coordination there because
obviously there's a number of questions coming from

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it, but so far no comment
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for is I'm looking for Look,
you can't just a let a whistleblower come

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out and leave and hang them out
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know, Congress, they're the ones
who paved this path or whistleblowers, and

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they can't hang the whistleblowers out to
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Jitner, Brand and Warner among others, actually come out and support this whistleblower

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and actually, you know, to
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they're not being hung out to dry, you know, that they do have

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some support because other whistleblowers who are
thinking about coming out that they'll be looking

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what's happening and how Dave is being
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look, as I said, this
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the Congress does manage to get to
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are true, then think about all
the technology that we might have at our

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disposable that we could study, you
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for horrible illnesses, to new transportation
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I think this is just too too
serious, you know, and you've

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got someone coming out with this allegations. I think that Congress needs to give

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him some kind of backing now and
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And that's what I'm hoping. And
unfortunately a lot of journalists just not with

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it, as you alluded to already, and that's anything that worries me.

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the reason no one was picking up
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busy calling their lawyers, so I
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it's it's it's just crazy. And
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Washington Post, uh not covering this, and the New York Times, of

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course, in my opinion, I
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New York Times. I feel that
he's a shill for the Pentagon. What

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are your thoughts on on the lack
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because they really haven't they really haven't
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seventeen article, Abbot, No,
not really at all. I think maybe,

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you know, to play devil's advocate
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asked myself the question, would these
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whistleblower had been in the program,
had seen the craft for himself and things

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like that, rather than he found
the people. He found, you know,

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the documents and the photographs. So
are they just sort of this isn't

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quite enough for them in some respects
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you know, with the story and
so that's that's kind of where my head's

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been out in the last couple of
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aspect of the story. Chris.
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did a very very good job actually
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complaint for instance, documentation on that, you know, for instance, but

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they admit you can't get that yet
because it's an ongoing complaint. It's still

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being processed, so they can't get
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have to work within constraints sometimes,
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I mean, either he's telling the
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telling, or so what else is
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lying. It's some really elaborate prag
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him and for my understanding as well, that they've been brought to the attention

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of Congress and the and the IG. These people have so m I think

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it is credible, and I think
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comes out, I think that we'll
find that it is credible what he's coming

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up with, and serious and urgent
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not just him as well saying it, you know, in this in this

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article, there's various people who actually
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who've actually come from a credible background
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you've got KYL Nell, for example, recently retired Army colonel and current Airspace

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executive you know Armies liaison with the
UAP Task Force backing him up. In

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Jonathan Gray as well, generational officer
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secret clearance and currently works in national
where you know Nasick. Basically, yeah,

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it's not just it's not just him
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Gray is basically saying the non human
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It's great as well. And yeah, that's very serious. And I just

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say one more thing as well,
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keep talking because for some reason,
I accidentally last last I want to tell

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him anyway, keep keep talking or
keep damping there. From my understanding,

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you know, Grush's very senior and
he was like coordinating presidential briefings and stuff

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like that. That's how high up
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was trusted by the President of the
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I think if he's got that level
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take him seriously. You know,
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Obviously there'll be a few wackos who
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elaborate conspiracy for you. But look, this this topic always attracts the fringe,

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you know, and people who are
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I want to give those any credences, But I just think we have

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to take this three very seriously about
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also from Jonathan Gray as well.
I think it's not really getting as much

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attention, but he's come out and
sits and starting things as well. Yeah,

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it's uh, watching the professional debunkers
really kind of lose their shit.

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It's been pretty uh pretty Uh it's
it's they's kind of doing mental gymnastics trying

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to explain explain this away. So
what I thought we would do, obviously,

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this all came about very last minutes. I'm maybe not as prepared as

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I normally would, but I thought
what we would do is just kind of

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go through, uh, some high
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that there are a lot of listeners
here that have not had the chance to

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read this, and then we'll get
get your get your input and comments and

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thoughts. So so the very beginning
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A former intel eligence official turned whistleblower
has given Congress and the Intelligence Community

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Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply
covert programs that he says possess retrieved,

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intact and partially intact craft of non
human origin. The information, he says,

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has been illegally withheld from Congress,
and he filed a complaint alleging that

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he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential
disclosures. Other intelligence officials, both active

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and retired, with knowledge of these
programs through their work and various agencies,

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have independently provided similar, similar corroborating
information both on and off the record.

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The whistleblower David Charles Gruse thirty six
a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan.

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As a veteran of the National Geospatial
Intelligence Agency, or the NGA and the

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National Reconnaissance Office, he served as
the Reconnaissance Office's representative to the un Identified

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Aerial Phenomena task Force from twenty nineteen
to twenty twenty one. From late twenty

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twenty one to July twenty twenty two, he was the NGA's co lead for

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UAP analysis and its representative to the
task force. I mean, so right

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away, that tells you we're not
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You know. So for this highly
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for the NGA and National Reconnaissance Office, this isn't like some guy off the

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street. I mean, it's pretty
significant when you think, yeah, yeah,

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absolutely, And I think it's important
to state that through the investigative work

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of Tim McMillan, he you know, he realized that this guy had no

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pre existing interest in the subjects of
UFOs and UAP. He was simply recommended

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to the Director of the task force
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You know. But then also you
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both on the record and off the
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and you know that's huge. Imagine
if we get all of these people

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to be on the record, it's
just going to keep adding weight to the

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story, and you know, it's
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road. I totally agree, Chris, Uh, pretty pretty big deal.

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I mean, this guy has some
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out the NNGA and n RO a
key to this. I mean, the

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problem being that whereas natural at the
moment are kind of like looking at publicly

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available information and they're struggling where to
go, and it seems a bit of

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incompetency as well, where they're making
assertions not even speaking to the to the

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to the aviator. Is the eyewitnesses
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they're not even admitting that they didn't
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and stuff like that. So it's
yeah, it's very very impartial not to

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at least admit that I'm saying this, this is my best judgment at the

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moment. I'm still not sure whether
the go fast you know, was forty

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last per hour or not, but
this is just my best judgment. I

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need more information. I haven't spoken
to the witnesses, so there's more works

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too. You know, he could
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But it's just straighting to see all
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John Radcliffe, who was former DNI, he's basically suggested that he's seen compelling

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information on satellite data of craft that
are kind of like going against the physical

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laws, the laws of physics basically. So, and it's very much my

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opinion that a lot of that data
is coming from the Natural recons Office and

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NNGA. So I think that,
you know, everyone's kind of like running

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around in circles staying where do we
find a data? Where to a fund

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of data? But it looks like
the data is already there. It's with

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the NRO and NGA. Let's open
up and see what we can confirm from

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using that data. You know,
that's that's very really key. These two

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entities are very very key in terms
of getting that data. Absolutely, So

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let's we'll continue on here. So
a grouche has said, I can't.

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I need to find out how to
say his name, Dave. We'll just

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call him Dave said. The recoveries
of partial fragments through and up to intact

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vehicles have been made for decades,
decades through the present day by the government,

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its allies, and defense contractors.
Analysis has determined that these objects retrieved

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are of quote, exotic origin,
non human intelligence, or extraterrestrial or unknown

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origin based on the vehicle morphologies and
material science testing and the possession of unique

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atomic arrangements and Radioli logical signatures.
I know doctor Nolan, as Gary Nolan

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has spoken about that. And then
it goes on here in filing, a

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complaint is represented by a lawyer who
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That's interesting. I did not catch
that. So this guy was a

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inspector general. Quote. We are
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Gruce said, preferring information he provided
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Intelligence Community Inspector General quote. The
materials include intact and partially intact vehicles in

407
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accordance with protocols Grouse provided the Defense
Office of pre Publication and Security Review,

408
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:53,079
which we call adopts or is the
acronym at the Department of Defense. With

409
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,359
the information he intended to disclose to
us, his on the record statements were

410
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:05,799
all cleared for open publication. So
that's one thing I'm really florid about.

411
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:14,519
Is he is really bringing out by
far, probably the biggest bombshell news wise,

412
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,279
I would say, possibly in American
history. And and the Pentagon said,

413
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,640
okay, you can talk about it. What, Vinny, what I'm

414
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:29,200
yeah, I'm just really surprised,
any thoughts. Yeah, I mean,

415
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,039
we know the dops of process doesn't
automatically mean that they completely agree with everything

416
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:37,480
that comes these people bring out,
whether it's whether someone's written a book and

417
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,319
it goes through that process. I
think they're just making sure that classified information

418
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,759
isn't being being revealed. And you
know that confuses me because surely a lot

419
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,200
of this is, you know,
it's very highly classified information. But you

420
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,240
know he's protected by the whistleblower laws
as set out in the in the Authority

421
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,799
Act. So yeah, you know, it's just incredible. It's just all

422
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:59,400
of it is just you know,
so much to take him with all so

423
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,599
many points. It's in this article
that have been been vetted and looked at.

424
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,480
It's it's incredible. Yeah, the
fact that he's talking about the the

425
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,960
atomic arrangements, the radiological signatures.
Again, you mentioned Gary Noland has been

426
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,639
talking about this for some time and
up until recently, you know, hinting

427
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,599
that he was aware of these kind
of whistleblowers and that, and so it's

428
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,760
all, you know, it's all
tying into the things that people have been

429
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:27,199
saying. I was, I was
just looking at the chat. It's hard

430
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,400
for me to kind of watch a
chat and and think at the same time.

431
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:37,800
But as someone Escape Escape VFX said
Susan, Susan Goth is going to

432
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,840
have a hard day at the office
tomorrow. I'm sure sure if she will.

433
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,639
So, So, Chris, what
do you think, So if if

434
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,039
this information that came out was approved
through the adopts or process, if you

435
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,559
were to guess, what would be
the things that Dave could not talk about?

436
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,800
Well, first year, I point
out, you know, there's there's

437
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:07,679
classified information you can't discuss classified But
what about if it's classified information and it's

438
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:15,880
illegal, So by actually kind of
like blocking the information from coming out,

439
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,599
you know, like you ask Dave
a question, Um, is, um,

440
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:30,440
you know, are we running illegal
reverse engineering and retrieval programs away from

441
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,800
the oversight of Congress? And then
all of a sudden, like he's saying,

442
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,159
I can't say it. I can't. I can't talk about that because

443
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:45,559
the dots of process basically then the
DoD is basically implicating themselves and actually doing

444
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,519
stuff as illegal. So I think
you've got to take that into account as

445
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,039
well, you know, like,
how how how amazing would that be?

446
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,000
I bet Dave wish he could say
the doctor process means that I can't talk

447
00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:01,320
about it because and that would directly
implicate and so I think it could go

448
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:07,159
both ways in terms of that.
Um. But yeah, I think I

449
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:10,880
think it's a very very interesting situation. I think the key one of the

450
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,679
key parts he said was in filing
his complaint, Bruce's represented by a lawyer

451
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,119
he served as the original Intelligence Community
Inspector General. That is very very big

452
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:24,079
because look, you've got someone of
some heft kind of like representing him,

453
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:31,719
so I mean, and someone who's
very very knowledgeable about how this all works,

454
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,079
you know, and if he thinks
it's credence to it, then I

455
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,920
think it's definitely worth paying attention to
it. It gives him more heft about,

456
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,320
you know, what he's actually doing, and I think that's something that

457
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,679
you shouldn't take lightheartedly. Did I
answer your question, I can't remember exactly.

458
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,000
Yeah, I would. I would
say, so, you know,

459
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,320
one one thing I'd like to start
digging into in this story here. So

460
00:36:54,679 --> 00:37:01,280
it's it's one thing for if this
guy, it's Dave, came forward and

461
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:06,079
no one was backing him up,
or he didn't have the credentials that he

462
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:12,320
has. But this all, everything
that he's stating completely comports with what we

463
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,199
have been hearing for a very long
time and what people like Christopher Mellan have

464
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,440
been saying for quite a while.
So again going back to the article,

465
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:27,320
Christopher mellen who spent nearly twenty years
in the US intelligence community and served as

466
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,239
the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for
Intelligence, I mean, you know,

467
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,960
this guy has seen a few things, has worked with Congress for years on

468
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:43,280
unidentified aerial phenomenon and he quoted in
this article quote A number of well placed

469
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:50,079
current and former officials have shared detailed
information with me being Chris Mellan regarding this

470
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:57,159
alleged program, including insights into the
history governing documents and the location of where

471
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,760
a craft was allegedly a band and
recovered. Melon said, however, it

472
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,000
is a delicate matter getting this potentially
explosive information into the right hands for validation.

473
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,880
This made it harder by the fact
that, rightly or wrongly, a

474
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:17,360
number of potential sources do not trust
the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution

475
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,559
Office established by Congress. And by
leadership, I think they're talking about the

476
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:30,400
director of ARROW, Shanker Patrick Vinny. What have you been hearing similar sort

477
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:36,480
of stories of people are are hesitant
to approach Arrow. Yeah, I have,

478
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,760
I've had all sorts of things.
I mean, it just clearly it

479
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,800
goes to show the disconnect between the
Congress and Arrow. We you know,

480
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,159
we had Sean Kirkpatrick at the hearing
recently, still talk about the fact that

481
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:52,159
he's not got authorities under Title fifty. You know, he's not able to

482
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,159
vet any of these things or dig
into where these programs might be. So,

483
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,880
I mean, yeah, I keep
hearing things. I don't know.

484
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,079
It does seem to me that a
lot of whistleblowers seemed to be bypassing Arrow

485
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,440
and going directly to Congress. So
is that now basically telling us that Arrow

486
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,960
is it's not needed. I mean, where will it go from here?

487
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,360
This is the kind of the questions
I think we should be asking. Yeah,

488
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,559
I totally agree, Chris. Uh, you know, what are your

489
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,119
what are your thoughts about? What
are what have you been hearing? As

490
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:27,159
far as our people continuing to go
to Arrow? Do they trust Arrow leadership?

491
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,320
How do they How do the whistleblowers
feel about doctor Sean Kerpatrick and Arrow?

492
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:39,159
It seems like a broken arrow to
be honest. No, Um,

493
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,800
what's happening is that you've got someone
who's a scientist, who's not an investigator.

494
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,519
He doesn't know the bureaucratic system or
work way to work around it.

495
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,719
And I think they've just gone about
this in a Heienick fashion, you know,

496
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:04,440
just um, we'll give you this, uh. And about the all

497
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,480
access to the data so um,
you know, and it's the names is

498
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:13,159
all normally all the main a normally
resolution off. Its all about resolving cases

499
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,079
and stuff like that. And that's
what it's meant to do. We're going

500
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,480
to resolve the gases. We're going
to explain it all to you. Um.

501
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,480
It's very very cosmetic as well.
By the way, it is,

502
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:31,800
and I think the whistleblowers feel that
because there's I just I just don't think

503
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,360
that Kirkpatrick believes that. I think
he comes at it like from like Julian

504
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,920
Barnes or someone like that. You
know, that's probably the way that he

505
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,599
actually thinks about the world and he
thinks about things. And that's and he's

506
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:52,239
not a seasoned investigator. So you've
got cases where you know, there's unsecure

507
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,920
phone lines and people are asking of
details on that when the phone lines aren't

508
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,360
secure, um to give testa mey
you're getting test me me where it's being

509
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,079
recorded. So just simple things,
and it just seems that, you know,

510
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,559
like Vinnie said that he doesn't have
the correct titles to actually get the

511
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:14,039
full data and corporation from the Intel
community. That creates an extra kind of

512
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,400
like hindrance to him. But I
would just argue that I think he was

513
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,719
the wrong man for the job in
a way, because you needed someone who

514
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:30,559
actually had the correct clearances and who
was a season investigator as well, and

515
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,840
then below him you would have those
people like Kirkpatrick. Basically he could actually

516
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,599
analyze the video is the data coming
in, not the guy to actually head

517
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,079
it up. You know, you
need you need like a Jay Stratum or

518
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,079
a Loo or someone like that,
you know, just someone who's really going

519
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:51,280
to be determined and he's going to
like put an end to this, because

520
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,280
really, let's let's put an end
to this. You know, let's um,

521
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,719
you know, if something that can
put an end to it is that

522
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,000
let's verify this. You said it's
an ex location. Him, m let's

523
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:06,320
go and visit there. Some congressional
staffers can can visit. Let's see it.

524
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:08,000
Let's see if we can verify what
is there to hide. If if

525
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,280
you don't have crash trebles and stuff
like that, then fine, they can

526
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,719
visit the facility. You know,
they can sign NDA's or any waivers they

527
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,360
need to sign if there is any
classified stuff at this location. And so

528
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,119
let's let's put an end to this. Let's let's test it, you know.

529
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,159
And jitla Brand has already said to
Mellon that if she did find signs

530
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,000
of you know, non human intelligence, she would she would let people know.

531
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,119
So I think this is what we
need. You know, I don't

532
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,840
think arrow is actually the answer.
And I think when you look at it,

533
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,760
I think you could you could probably
argue that Jilah Brand's office probably has

534
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,639
more powers to investigate this and get
to the bottom of it than actually Arrow

535
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:52,039
can. So I agree with video. I'm not really certain what the Arrow's

536
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,400
future is at this point. Yeah, I would agree, and I want

537
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,280
to read you something, so Tim
Tim McMillan on Twitter again from the debrief,

538
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:07,119
he posted something about doctor Shaun Kirpatrick
saying something interesting I recently found out

539
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,400
was that, in addition to Arrow
not having Title fifty authority, doctor Shan

540
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:21,719
Kirpatrick's appointing authority is rated as a
highly qualified Expert or h qwe Now the

541
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:29,440
interesting part is that this is actually
him in that position is against Office of

542
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,360
Personal Management regulation, so he should
not even be in the job. So

543
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,400
I'm going to read you something here. Per Let's see h QWEE appointments,

544
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:45,159
which is what he is, may
not be used to one appoint any person

545
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,800
to a position as the head of
add component. Again, he shouldn't be

546
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:57,440
in that job to fill a position
that meets the definition of a senior executive

547
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,039
service position or they referred to as
sees as defined by Section thirty one thirty

548
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:09,320
two of Reference c UH and number
three provide any person temporary employment and in

549
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:17,559
anticipation of a a permanent office.
Now Kirkpatrick he was, and we're getting

550
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,280
a little bit off topic else here. Back, but Kirkpatrick, he was.

551
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:29,960
He was installed in that office by
ODI and I uh sorry, uh

552
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
uh Ronald Moultrie. So he put
it, he put him in there.

553
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,719
And then who was the There was
another guy, Chris I know you and

554
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,559
I had spoken about that. Um, he's no longer at the Department of

555
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:45,559
Defense. So Moultrie put Kirkpatrick in
there, and uh someone another guy.

556
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,880
I'm blanking on his name, thy
Red. Yeah no, no, no,

557
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,440
yeah, no, no, it
was it was a David Taylor.

558
00:44:52,599 --> 00:45:00,400
So these guys installed this installed Kirkpatrick, who doesn't even have he's not an

559
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:07,800
SCS level employee to run this department, which again feels like it's it's not

560
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,639
complying with the will of Congress.
Anyway. Sorry, it's my add brain

561
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,280
going in different places. So back
on track, let's talk about this thing.

562
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:22,559
So, getting back to the subject
of other people in this article,

563
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,519
backing up what Dave is saying,
there was another guy mentioned in here.

564
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:32,800
Jonathan Gray is a generational officer of
the United States Intelligence Intelligence Community with a

565
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,280
top secret clearance, who currently works
for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center

566
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:45,360
or NASSIK, where the analysis of
UAP has been his focus. Previous he

567
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,480
had experience serving private aerospace and Department
of Defense Special Directive task Forces, and

568
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:58,480
mister Gray provided a quote here quote
the non human intelligence phenomenon is real.

569
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,840
We are not alone. Retrievals of
this kind are not limited to the United

570
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,880
States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to

571
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,239
elude us. So let's going on
here at the National Actually, yeah,

572
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,519
we'll start there. So, so
this is a global phenomenon. This just

573
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:24,960
isn't a US or UK thing,
right NNY. Yeah, absolutely, you

574
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,559
know we heard, we know that
the Five Eyes does have access to UAP

575
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:32,960
information in data. We just don't
hear anything when especially when it comes to

576
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,400
the UK, Australia, Canada and
New Zealand, very very little information has

577
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,440
been shared about what kind of communications
and sharing has been going on, especially

578
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,079
in the past sort of five to
six years. So, you know,

579
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,760
I think it's quite clear that that
something's going on, work is being done.

580
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,480
Yeah, we know this is a
global phenomena. Do we know whether

581
00:46:52,719 --> 00:47:00,519
these other countries have experienced crashes or
retrieved craft that we'd read like to know.

582
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:02,000
And I hope that's the kind of
information that we can dig down and

583
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,599
kind of bring to the surface.
I would love to know that for sure.

584
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,559
So continuing here, moving on.
At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,

585
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:20,159
Gruce served as a Senior Intelligence Capabilities
Integration Officer it's a mouthful there, cleared

586
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:28,280
at the top secret Secret Compartmented Information
Level TSSCI, and was the agency's Senior

587
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:37,039
Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial phenomenon Analysis
Transmedium issues. From twenty sixteen to twenty

588
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:42,760
twenty one, he served with a
National Reconnaissance Office as senior Intelligence Officer and

589
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,679
led the production of the NROS Director
Daily Briefing. Gruce was a GS fifteen

590
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,840
civilian, the military equivalent of a
colonel, has served as an intelligence officer

591
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,199
for over fourteen years. A veteran
of the Air Force, he has numerous

592
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:07,760
awards and decorations for his participation participation
in covert and clandestine operations to advance American

593
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:13,840
security. I mean, Chris,
this this guy's his his um, his

594
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,639
his bona fides or bona fides,
or ever you'd say it. I mean,

595
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:21,280
they're impeccable. And the other thing
too. It's not like he is

596
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,039
somebody that has not looked into this, has not um is not familiar with

597
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,639
the topics. It's not like he
just Oh, I heard about this department

598
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,960
and the Pentagon and I hear they
have some UFOs. This guy, I

599
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,119
mean, this was his job to
look into these things. I mean,

600
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:44,800
Chris this, Uh, yeah,
he's this guy. He I don't know

601
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,719
how you could doubt what he is
saying. He's not he's not pulling this

602
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,960
out of his ass. Yeah,
he's credentials are actually impeccable. And I

603
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,440
think you'll find out in the upcoming
days and weeks actually how much kind of

604
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,639
sacrifice for getting this information out to
the public. You know, Like he's

605
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,920
still very very young, you know, he's very six years old, and

606
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,000
he's put everything on the line for
this, and I think we're going to

607
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:20,400
learn to what extent that is and
how brave he is. You know,

608
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,119
he's had a very very good career. He could have kept on going,

609
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:27,199
you know, kept his head down, but he's chosen actually to speak out

610
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,039
about it. And yeah, I
don't think he can doubt his credentials at

611
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:37,599
this point. And Vinny, I
may have made a face when you were

612
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,840
talking a moment ago, and keep
that thought in mind about the five eyes

613
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,320
comments that you just made. So
yeah, I need to find out if

614
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,239
fucking report it yet though. But
it's just like you said it and I

615
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,719
received something at the same time.
How weird is that? Like buy your

616
00:49:52,760 --> 00:50:00,559
email? Yeah, like that's really
odd. Yeah, sorry, you're what

617
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,840
I would I know if I can
say or not. Yeah, Okay,

618
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:10,159
In case anybody's wondering my Apple remote, my Apple Remote battery is low and

619
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,079
I need to recharge my remote soon. I don't think I can actually get

620
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:20,920
rid of that anyway. We like
to wing it here, Um, okay,

621
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,639
So continuing on here, Uh,
statements cleared, So it talks about

622
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:30,480
how all these statements were cleared by
the Pentagon. Grouch asserted that UFL legacy

623
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:38,960
programs have long been concealed within multiple
agencies, nesting UAP activities and conventional secret

624
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:46,440
access programs without appropriate appropriate reporting to
various oversight authorities. He said he reported

625
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,079
to Congress on the existence of a
decades long, publicly unknown Cold War for

626
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:59,800
recovered and exploited physical material, a
competition with near peer adversaries over the years

627
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:07,159
to identify UAP crashes landings and retrieve
the materials for exploitation, reverse engineering to

628
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:15,679
garner asymmetric national defense advantages. So
sort of foreign crash stuff. Any I'm

629
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,800
not too familiar on what alls occurred. What can you give us sort of

630
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,679
a background on what you've heard as
far as other countries and what they have.

631
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,440
Yeah, I mean, we know, obviously we spoke about the Italy

632
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,920
crash. There has been talk of
clashes from South America as well. But

633
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:34,320
in that last couple of paragraphs that
you read out, I think an important

634
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,119
word or the wording that I found
interesting was that these UAP activities were nesting

635
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:45,320
and this kind of points to their
not just being a secret crash retrieval program,

636
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:52,679
but that within multiple departments there have
been hidden these small activities, as

637
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:59,400
it says, that have had no
oversight and are so hyper compartmentalized that very

638
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,920
few people probably even realized what it
actually entails. There's only a few people

639
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,119
with a serious need to know.
So I think that that wording was really

640
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,320
important. Yeah, I completely agree. And you know, one thing that

641
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,760
we've always heard is is it's it's
these things are run almost like as a

642
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,480
shell game as as a as a
method for the Pentagon to keep this stuff

643
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:25,280
hidden from Congress. M yeah,
it's it's it's it's just crazy. So

644
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,760
speaking of Congress, he goes on
to say, or the article goes on

645
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,559
to say, Uh, he being
Dave, said he reported to Congress on

646
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:40,159
the existence of a decades long quote. Uh oh, I'm sorry, I

647
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,559
already read that part. Sorry jumped
ahead. At beginning in twenty twenty two,

648
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:53,079
Grouse provided Congress with hours of recorded
classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages,

649
00:52:53,360 --> 00:53:00,880
which included specific data about the materials
recovery program. Congress has not been

650
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,840
provided with physical materials related to wreckage
or other non non human non human objects.

651
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:15,039
Um. Yeah, so you know
so, Chris he it sounds like

652
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,199
what he's been providing to Congress that
had to have been done in a skiff,

653
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,760
correct. I mean, if if
he's giving them classified information, a

654
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:27,199
not everybody in Congress is going to
be privy to it or or would they?

655
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,039
How? How how does that work? Yeah? So, only it

656
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:36,440
depends what kind of classified information it
is, you know, whether it's the

657
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:43,599
Gang of Eight or whether it's um
just like just like the Intelligence and Our

658
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,360
Service Committee, committees that are actually
receiving it, because you know, there's

659
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:54,480
some special access programs, um.
That arony kind of like need to know

660
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,119
for the Gang of eight. Basically
she's like the chairs of services and intelligence

661
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:07,599
committees and also the leadership of the
House and Senate, so that that's all

662
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:13,199
depending. And I would go back
also to what you were saying earlier about

663
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,800
just kind of like how it's been
hidden away and stuff, And I would

664
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:22,239
say that language is really important as
well, because if you look at the

665
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:30,599
NDAA language, it basically specifies that
it's clearly got to be communicated to those

666
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:36,599
who should know, such as the
Gang of eight, so like they could

667
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:40,000
get away basically we're telling the Gang
of eight, look, we've got a

668
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,960
special access program, and then they
go into all these kind of like obscure

669
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:50,960
wording and just kind of like they
could just like make anything sound really really

670
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,000
boring, um, whereas actually what
they may be talking about is like craft

671
00:54:55,079 --> 00:55:00,280
of non human intelligence. But you
know, they may not be communic hating

672
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,360
up very very clearly when they actually
do say it to congressional leadership, so

673
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,199
they may have an out on there
as well in terms of that, which

674
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:14,039
is why the language in the NBA
is so important because it makes it very

675
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:20,559
very clear that they've got to clearly
communicate such such programs. So I think

676
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:27,440
that that that's a vital, vital
importance because you remember all these little tricks,

677
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,360
um stuff that we use, you
know to actually hide things, um

678
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,760
where it's obfuscation or just language in
general about how they go about things,

679
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,760
you know. And so yeah,
that's very very interesting, Yeah for sure.

680
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,039
And we've had a couple of people
donate via super chat, so we

681
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,840
very much appreciate that helps us keep
the light lights on. So back to

682
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:57,840
the congressional part. So, Grucia's
investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high

683
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,599
level intelligence officials, some of whom
are directly involved with the program, and

684
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:08,119
by program he means crash retrieval program. He says the operation was illegally shielded

685
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:15,800
from proper congressional oversight and that he
was targeted and harassed because of the investigation.

686
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:22,280
Grew said that the craft recovery operations
are ongoing at various levels of activity

687
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,639
and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former who were involved in

688
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:32,079
these crash retrieval programs. Quote individuals
on these UAP programs approached me in my

689
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:39,719
official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding
a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting

690
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:46,639
against the Federal Acquisitions Regulations Acts.
I think what they're saying there, and

691
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:57,239
other criminality and the suppression of information
across a qualified industrial base and academia.

692
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480
I mean, Vinny, that's I
mean to me, that's a bombshell right

693
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:07,079
right there. So you have this
guy that was harassed, intimidated, various

694
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:13,079
threats that were leveled against him because
the guy was just doing his job,

695
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,320
but he poked on the doors he
wasn't supposed to be poking, I guess,

696
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:27,000
and the gate keepers or the people
that are illegally running these programs threatened

697
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,039
him. And yeah, wow,
if any of you have you heard,

698
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,039
is this new news or is this
something that you've heard with have heard that

699
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,880
this happening with other whistleblowers, any
thoughts on that? Yeah, we have,

700
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,719
and I think we spoke about it
when we on this show, probably

701
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:49,239
the last time we were here.
We know that whistleblowers were we're getting treated

702
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,320
badly behind the scenes, and it
just goes to show the integrity of people

703
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,039
like Grush who you know, whatever
has happened, he's come forward, He's

704
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,599
not going to be scared off,
you know with what he's been doing.

705
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,239
You know, when people found out
that he was investigating, they you know,

706
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,679
they try to kind of put a
stop to it. And you know,

707
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:07,239
here we are with the story out. So it certainly didn't work,

708
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,239
you know, And you said,
that is a bombshell that you know,

709
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:16,480
these craft recovery operations are ongoing at
various aspects of various levels of activity right

710
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:22,199
now, and the individuals that work
in them, current and former, are

711
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:25,639
talking about it to him. I
mean, it's just it's the kind of

712
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:29,400
thing we want to hear, you
know, absolutely, yeah, I mean

713
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,360
it's it's mind blowing, Chris.
What have you heard in terms of the

714
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:39,840
harassment and threats towards these whistle blowers. So I think we're going to learn

715
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:46,000
a lot more in terms of Ross's
interview when when that occurs, because I'm

716
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:52,079
pretty certain that Ross is going to
ask that, and you know, I

717
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:53,239
think all I can say is,
I think it's going to be very,

718
00:58:53,320 --> 00:59:00,679
very shocking to a lot of people. But look, you know, I

719
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:07,079
think currently we've got someone you know, he's very very credible. You've got

720
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:12,480
the credentials. He's backed up by
credible people as well. Now we just

721
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,840
need to go and investigate, and
we need to back up these claims as

722
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,239
well with evidence improve And I think
I think now is the time for Congress

723
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,639
to really get serious about this,
and UM and the and the IG to

724
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,800
get serious about it as well.
And I think this goes beyond just one

725
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:37,760
man being harassed. You know,
there's a lot more serious and it raises

726
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:47,599
really alarming questions about democracy in the
USA and democratic oversight transparency. It's just

727
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:52,960
sad to see because from what I'm
looking at here, it looks like intelligence

728
00:59:53,000 --> 01:00:00,679
agencies and various aspects and THEOD are
actually conducting behavior you would expect from you

729
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,440
know, the nineteen sixties and nineteen
seventies, but all these experiments were being

730
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,480
conducted against US citizens and all these
other intelligence abusers were happening as well.

731
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:14,719
It seems that they're nothing has changed
and need to see themselves as above the

732
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,599
law. And you know that may
have repercussion to my own country as well.

733
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,480
So I think it's really serious here
because it seems like uf UFOs or

734
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:30,159
the frontier of democracy, you know, everything's transparent, everything's democratic, but

735
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:32,880
when he got onto this topic,
it's just kind of like everything shuts down.

736
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,239
And I think, really we have
to push back, and I would

737
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:45,400
call you know, various natives and
you know veteran government inside is to actually

738
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:51,199
really come forward now and back up
this whisk blower. I mean, they

739
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,519
really do need to back him up. And I think that's I think there

740
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,239
needs to be a serious discussion,
and it needs to be a public discussion

741
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,800
as well, because otherwise trust is
just going to be eroded and eroded in

742
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,960
you know, American democracy. And
you already had qan on. You've got

743
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,760
another election coming up, and you
can bet you that Donald Trump is going

744
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,599
to you know, run on that
kind of platform, and you might have

745
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:19,159
a very right to run on that
platform if the government can't be trusted and

746
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,320
what we do prove that there's been
a cover up. So I think both

747
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:27,480
Republicans and Democrats have to really get
involved at this and keep it bipartisan,

748
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:31,679
because if it's not, then it
could do serious damage to um, you

749
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,480
know, your democracy there in America. And you know when America catches the

750
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,559
cold, you know, the UK
catches the flu, and so it packs

751
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,239
us as well in extent. Yeah, I mean, if you think about

752
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:51,159
it, this is absolute gangster behavior. So the Pentagon or other three letter

753
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:57,159
agencies engaging in threatening people, um, this is this is like, this

754
01:01:57,199 --> 01:02:04,360
is what the mob does. Kind
of mob mentality in the Pentagon that is

755
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,280
clearly illegal. And I've said this
before. People will end up in jail

756
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,920
over this. I garn f and
tu. It is going to happen.

757
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:19,159
It's coming. So so yes,
let's let's continue with the with the IG

758
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,960
stuff here. So the Inspector General
and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with these

759
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:30,159
details. Several current members of the
recovery program crash Recovery Program spoke to the

760
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:37,519
Inspector General's office and corroborated the information
Gruch had provided for the classified complaints.

761
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:42,159
So it's not just him going to
the Inspector General. These are other people

762
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:50,400
testifying under oath under they cannot perjure
themselves going and testifying in front of the

763
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Inspector General. The let's see here
his assertion quote. His assertion concerning the

764
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,800
existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring
sub ros over the past eighty years focused

765
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:09,639
on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin. As fundamentally correct as the indisputable realization

766
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:16,719
that at least some of these technologies
of unknown origin derived from non human intelligence,

767
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:22,320
just came from Carl Nell, a
retired Army colonel who worked with Grishaw

768
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:29,119
on the UAP task Force. Going
on here. An unclassified version of the

769
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:35,239
complaint provided to US states this is
again out of the debrief. Here.

770
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:43,039
All of this is that Grush has
direct knowledge that UAP related classified information has

771
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:51,519
been withheld and or concealed from Congress
by elements of the intelligence community quote to

772
01:03:51,760 --> 01:04:01,639
purposive to purposefully and intentionally thwart legitimate
Congressional oversight of the UAP program closed quote.

773
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:09,639
All testimony gru provided for the classified
complaint was under oath. Under oath

774
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:14,199
that's important. According to the unclassified
complaint, in July twenty twenty one,

775
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:23,239
Grouch had confidentially provided classified information to
the Department of Defense Inspector General another IG

776
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:30,679
concerning the withholding of UAP related information
from Congress. He believed that his identity

777
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:35,719
and the fact that he provided testimony
were disclosed to quote to individuals and or

778
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:43,840
entities closed quote within the Department of
Defense and the intelligence community outside the IG's

779
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,039
office. As a result, this
is important as a result, Grouch suffered

780
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:56,440
months of retaliation and reprisals related to
these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one.

781
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,800
He asked that the details of these
reprisals be withheld to protect the integrity

782
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:11,199
of the ongoing investigation. So the
ICIG found his complaint quote credible and urgent

783
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:15,360
in July of twenty twenty two.
According to Grouse, a summary was immediately

784
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,679
submitted to the Director of the Director
of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, the

785
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:26,480
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and
the House Permanent Select Committee of Intelligence.

786
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:38,280
So the bottom line is there is
illegal actions that are being taken against people

787
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:44,559
that it's this is not what this
country is about. This is not a

788
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:50,760
democracy, period. It's CIA or
whatever group that is acting like a bunch

789
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,679
of thugs threatening this guy. That's
that's not what this country is about.

790
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:02,800
And and you know, the thing
to note here is clearly, um people

791
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:10,079
in Congress that are on what was
it the Senate Armed Services, Senate Select

792
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:15,119
Committee on Intelligence, And you can
go and look online and see what senators

793
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,239
are sitting on this, on this
committee. They know about this, They've

794
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:25,079
been briefed on it. I mean, Chris, what are you seeing any

795
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:28,760
sort of reaction from people in Congress
about this now, I would say I

796
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,599
didn't. I did see earlier that
Republican Senator Tim Berschett from Tennessee, who

797
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:36,519
I may not politically agree with,
but man, my hat is off to

798
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:43,159
that man for taking a stand.
He vouched for Dave grug So, an

799
01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:47,559
American congressman, vouched that what he
is saying is true. Sorry, I

800
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:54,480
went on around anyway, Chris Uh, interrupt my rant. Please, there's

801
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:59,239
no reaction, and that's that's the
thing that's troubling to me at the moment,

802
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,719
that there's no reaction, and it's
just very very sad I see it

803
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:13,280
currently because these a senators and representatives
say paved the way with the legislation these

804
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,960
miss Flowers to come forward. I
think, you know, there's some frustration

805
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:20,159
there because it's moving so slowly.
And I think you've got the frets as

806
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:26,199
well, which may pose a danger
to life as well, which may be

807
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,199
the reason why this has come out
now speculation on my part, and I

808
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:34,239
think that you know, when you
get something like this, I think it's

809
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:40,480
up to the senators and representatives to
actually get behind him at least just say,

810
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:45,639
look, even if they can't one
hundred percent verify his claims, and

811
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:49,280
I know that they have verified to
some extent by the way they have verified

812
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,239
his claims to some extent. I
know that for a fact. But even

813
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,280
if they don't want to say that
publicly, they could say some line saying

814
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,519
that, I think that, you
know, we've got to take these claims

815
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:02,719
on this person very very seriously,
and yes, we are aware of him.

816
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,079
Don't have to go any further than
that, but you have to give

817
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:13,719
him some public backing. And that's
something that really scares me at the moment

818
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,680
that that's not occurring, that there
politicians are being too conservative. And as

819
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:24,000
I said, you know, this
is high risk, high reward because if

820
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,640
it ends up being forced yet you've
got a lot of egg on your face.

821
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:32,119
I don't think it is, because
he's so credible and there's lots of

822
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:36,279
people backing up as well. More
than that I know behind the scenes too,

823
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:41,520
um, you know, and if
it is correct, then you could

824
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:48,279
have some life chain, life altering
technologies come forward and things that we could

825
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:53,279
never dreamed of before. So high
risk, high reward, and I think

826
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:57,760
that, you know, I think
Johnathan Kennedy once wrote about political courage and

827
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,039
how it was Key wrote the whole
book on it, and there was ever

828
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:06,960
a time for political courage, it's
now, it's now. So I'm really

829
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,079
really hoping that we do get some
reaction from from these political leaders. It's

830
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,079
time for them to show leadership when
it comes to this, because this is

831
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:21,359
a question of democracy and democratic tenets
that the USA was founded on, which

832
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:27,720
being a brit I'm quite jealous of
to a certain extent. So yeah,

833
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,000
it's very very important. Then you're
shaking your head head, Yes, what

834
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,600
do you think if you were to
speculate, why have we other than than

835
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:41,159
Congressman timber Chet, Where is the
support? Why? Why do you think

836
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,760
that they're there is such silence right
now? Do you think that they're just

837
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,319
shell shocked about what is coming out? If you were to guess, why,

838
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:53,720
where where are these people? Where? Where is this leadership? I

839
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,319
mean, that's a very good question, and I'm almost afraid to speculate.

840
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:00,680
But I think one thing, you
know, if we start seeing the mainstream

841
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,720
media outlets stop picking up on this
story, especially after News Nation as the

842
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,760
you know, the Interview special and
things like that, it's going to be

843
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,359
very hard for them to just sit
there and not say anything at all.

844
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,199
So I think, you know,
we've had the debrief story out today that

845
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,319
went really well, Timberschetz commented,
But yeah, once we got the news

846
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:25,239
nation into you out, I think
it'd be very We lost them there,

847
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,680
Okay, so we'll try and get
him, get him back on and here

848
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,159
in a second when I can step
away. So yeah, so moving on

849
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:40,079
here. So, uh, Jonathan
Gray, there you've got bars. Jonathan

850
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:44,239
Gray, the intelligence officer specializing in
UAP analysis of the National Air and Space

851
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:48,279
Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for
the first time. Gray said that immense

852
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:53,920
capabilities are not merely relegated to the
study of the prosa quote. The existence

853
01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:00,800
of complex historical programs involving the coordinated
retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back

854
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,479
to the earlier twentieth century should no
longer remain secret. Quoth the majority of

855
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:12,319
retrieved foreign exotic materials have a prosaic
terrestrial explanation in origin, but not all,

856
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:18,560
and any number higher than zero in
this category represents an undeniably significant percentage.

857
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:20,960
So, because I'm going to hand
it off to you while I try

858
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:26,520
to get a Vinnie back on the
line here, so Chris Sharp show,

859
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:35,199
So yeah, I think we need
to take Jonathan Gray ready ree series in

860
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:42,279
terms of his claims here. So
I mean he's got knowledge what's going on

861
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:47,720
in terms of NASI, which is
a major part of this effort based from

862
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:54,760
you know, Right past Anair Hall
Space and in a way the genesis of

863
01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:00,680
this story is from you know this
this place where they do the do the

864
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:06,560
reverse engineering of foreign aircraft. Um, they've got a history for instance of

865
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:12,279
doing that with Russian aircraft from nineteen
seventies and eighties, UM, some famous

866
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:15,720
cases as well. But that's where
all the alleged rumors have been, including

867
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:25,800
of the Italian craft that crashed apparently
in nineteen thirty three outside Milan. There's

868
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:31,680
been claims that the bodies were kept
there for instance. So NASIS very important

869
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:39,039
and also you know, overseeing going
on there was what in terms of Right

870
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:43,479
pass An Air Force Space was General
past Land. Again the genesis story of

871
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,279
this whole thing coming out of Right
pass An Air Force Space here. So

872
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:57,079
that's that's really really important when we're
looking at this. And I think Jonathan

873
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:01,359
Gray is someone who we should take
very very seriously. And I think it's

874
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,920
not just grush here that we should
be concentrating and focusing on. It's actually

875
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:15,079
Jonathan Gray as well, who's actually
you know, he's basically saying that there's

876
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:18,359
like being briefings as well for like
the last ten years on this UAP topic,

877
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:23,079
so you know, on a need
to know basis. So it seems

878
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:27,239
to me that the genie is already
out, that certain people already know about

879
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:30,520
it. But it's just a shame
really that you know, we've got people

880
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,000
like Moultrie and Brace saying we know
nothing about you what these things in the

881
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:39,079
sky. Then we've got a completely
separate part of the US government and people

882
01:13:39,159 --> 01:13:42,439
representing the US government basically claiming we
know what they are. And actually we've

883
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,520
got retrieved craft as well. So
I mean, what's going on here?

884
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,720
You know? And I think this
is a problem as well. When we

885
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,119
speak about the US government, we
treat it as one entity, but it's

886
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:58,439
actually a lot of competing factions,
oftentimes in conflict with each other. That

887
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,279
either way, we need to get
to some of this. And I think

888
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:06,279
at the moment, my money is
on trusting Jonathan Gray and you know,

889
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:12,960
Whistleblow is rather than the like Submultrie
and Kirkpatrick. Yeah, I don't trust

890
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,359
Maultrie as far as I can see
as Yeah, not at all anyway.

891
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:23,560
So and talking about Gray here,
so the article continues, classified briefings are

892
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:30,920
often presented for Jonathan Gray and his
team at NASIK A quote high level classified

893
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:39,800
briefing materials exist in which real world
scenarios involving uap as evidenced by historical examples,

894
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,960
are made available to intelligence personnel on
a need to know basis. He

895
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,880
told us, quote, I have
been again, Jonathan Gray. I've been

896
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:55,199
the recipient of such briefings for almost
almost a decade. So yeah, so

897
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:01,079
it's as you said, this just
further reinforces it. Um. Now in

898
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:05,640
the in the National Defense Authorization Act
that that Senator Gillibrand who was recently on

899
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:13,199
our show and Marco Rubio and others. Uh, part of that legislation relating

900
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:17,399
to UFOs UAPs was this whistleblower protection. And you know, one of the

901
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:23,199
questions that we have asked is we
have not been able to get a hold

902
01:15:23,239 --> 01:15:31,760
of the legal written instruments for exactly
how these how these this whistleblower protection mechanism

903
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:36,640
actually works. Uh. And in
the article. Here, they say the

904
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:42,960
case of David Grush marks a crucial
test of these new whistleblower protections and their

905
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,560
ability to protect future wist future whistleblowers
who decide to come forward. Jonathan Gray

906
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,479
assess secrets may have been have been
necessary quote through a tough nut to crack.

907
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,319
Potential technological advancements may be gleaned from
non human intelligence UF retrievals by any

908
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:06,840
sufficiently advanced nation and then used to
wage asymmetric warfare, so therefore some secrecy

909
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:12,600
must remain, he says. However, it is no longer necessary to continue

910
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:18,840
to deny that these advanced technologies derived
from non human intelligence exist at all,

911
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:26,840
or to deny that these technologies have
landed, crashed, or fallen into the

912
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,039
hands of human beings you know.
Grus goes on to say here in the

913
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:38,319
article that it was dangerous for this
eighty years arm race to continue in secrecy

914
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:44,439
because it further inhibits the world populace
to be prepared for an unexpected non human

915
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:53,520
intelligence contact contact scenario. I hope
this revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically

916
01:16:53,840 --> 01:17:00,600
and provides a generally generally uniting issue
for nations of the world to reassess their

917
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:06,479
priorities. So I mean, Vinny, you I had they done the right

918
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:13,359
thing eighty years ago and come clean
with the world, not just the American

919
01:17:13,399 --> 01:17:18,640
public, the world that they have
crashed alien craft, where would I can't

920
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,119
even imagine where we would be right
now. We would certainly be in a

921
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:25,840
better place. What do you think, Well, you say that, but

922
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,279
then if you look at it on
the other side of the coin, you

923
01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:31,199
know, that's a potential of eighty
or even potentially ninety years if we're talking

924
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:41,560
about the itany crash, and that
that's ninety years of foreign adversaries and America

925
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,159
using this technology for negative purposes,
turning it into two weapons. So it

926
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:50,239
could have just elevated the wars that
we see. We don't know. Yes,

927
01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:55,279
it could have been used and put
to good purpose, and it could

928
01:17:55,279 --> 01:18:00,680
have, you know, really pushed
humanity years ahead of where we are now.

929
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,439
So there's two sides of the coin, isn't then you know, I

930
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:08,039
think you're good to kind of think
about potentially both of them. That's a

931
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,640
that is a very very fair point. And you know, and of course

932
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:15,479
we're we're what is it back to
your quarter or Monday night quarterbacking or whatever

933
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:19,279
whatever that whatever that phrase is.
You know, christ One thought as well,

934
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:27,680
is this thing being illegally hidden for
members of Congress, but more importantly

935
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,479
hidden from uh, some of our
best and brightest scientists in the world because

936
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:38,439
it's so it's so compartmented. Um. I think it's the real question is

937
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:45,000
because of this overclassification, because of
how this program has been illegally run,

938
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:50,680
it puts our adversaries such as China
and Russia at a great advantage because,

939
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:55,640
you know, especially China, and
I've heard this with Russia as well.

940
01:18:56,199 --> 01:19:02,920
They have tons of people in academy
science working to reverse what they have versus

941
01:19:03,159 --> 01:19:08,960
here in the US, you've got
Moultrie and all these other folks running this

942
01:19:09,039 --> 01:19:15,720
illegally clamp down thing. It really
really jeopardizes national security for all of democracy.

943
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:26,520
Oo are you muted? Nope?
Still there any you hear men?

944
01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:29,159
Sorry? There we go. Okay, Chris, there we go. You're

945
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:31,680
back on. There's angles that you
can take this now. So like,

946
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:36,720
firstly, I mean I see tweets
sometimes saying look look at all the UFO

947
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,319
reporting around the world. You know, it's all from America, in the

948
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,720
UK, it's the Western sphere and
stuff like that. And that's like really

949
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:48,000
angry itself because we're talking about like
English speaking UFO reporting programs are reporting is

950
01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:51,880
in the first place, so that
actually the person who puts it out,

951
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:58,840
it's basically saying more about their ignorance
because China actually has the largest UFO organization

952
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,000
in the world. Um, I
think it's about one hundred fowls and people.

953
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:08,479
Actually and to actually get onto this
into this group, you have to

954
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,960
like have like a peer review papers. How big did you say this was

955
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:15,279
what China's doing. I need,
I need, I need to verify this

956
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:20,479
now because I think it's I think
it's a hundred fowls. And last time

957
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:29,640
I know that they're using AI apparently
to try and analyze analyze this. Yeah.

958
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,079
Yeah, so like this is just
like there, Um, this is

959
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:34,720
just like a group like a civilian
group, but like it's made up of

960
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:40,760
scientists and stuff like that. Um. So what they did is they ran

961
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:48,479
the it was like the Five Consonants
meeting the genesis of of the Ice or

962
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:55,920
effort and the Project Titan effort for
San Marino. So, um, you

963
01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:00,800
had like the Chinese UFO organization by
the way, which couldn't exist, it

964
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,920
wasn't for the Chinese government given the
go ahead to exist, you know.

965
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:11,520
Um, And so i'll get I'll
get that to you later in that's that's

966
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:16,760
okay, very high and they're all
highly qualified as well to actually become editors.

967
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,720
So it's it's quite bewildering when you
think about that. And they held

968
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:27,199
various um, they held two events, one in China it was chuan Qing

969
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:31,239
and the over one in Moscow,
and you had like all you had like

970
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:38,840
cosmonauts attend and all these various kind
of like professionals and stuff and um,

971
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:44,840
people from engineering backgrounds, scientists,
and these were big, big events that

972
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,840
they were holding, and they flew
people from all around the world to actually

973
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:54,520
attend them as well, including representatives
from the UK, Italy, sam Marino,

974
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:58,000
and a bunch of other countries as
well, who then went on to

975
01:21:58,119 --> 01:22:02,319
form the iSER and the involved in
the effort to get sam Marino to go

976
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:08,920
to the UN because initially the Chinese
and Russians wanted to actually go to the

977
01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:13,279
UN through this this this kind of
like series of events to the holding.

978
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,039
Um, sorry, it's my son. Sorry, if you go on,

979
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,720
I'll just yeah, no, yeah, no, no, no worries at

980
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,800
all. So let's let's take some
listener questions. So well, uh,

981
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:27,960
well, Chris's uh take care of
things over at home. We'll put this

982
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:32,039
to Vinny. So this is from
a Royan crow and on a scale of

983
01:22:32,039 --> 01:22:38,279
one to ten, how big is
this whistleblower interview? Do you think I

984
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:40,600
mean it has a potential to be
a ten? Of course it does.

985
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,399
I mean I'm not going to play
it down in any way, shape or

986
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,359
form. I think it's good to
reiterate that it's the beginning. It's still

987
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:53,920
to me it's day one of this
this new kind of momentum. So yeah,

988
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,319
I think it's a ten, and
I think we just need to hope

989
01:22:56,319 --> 01:23:00,000
that it remains a ten with more
information. Yeah, I can completely completely

990
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:04,399
agree with that. Let's see Paranormal
Pixie donated two dollars. Thank you Paranormal.

991
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:10,479
Uh okay, there's a question,
Echoes and Loafi, does the do

992
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,079
D have the power to hold this
info back from the world? Uh?

993
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:21,760
I can't see how this is.
No, it's illegal exactly. Yeah,

994
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:30,159
yeah, that's illegal for for sure
for sure. Okay, super crazy movie

995
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:33,880
geek. Uh, Skinny Bob fake
or real? Were the Skinny Bob video,

996
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:38,279
I don't know, fake fake,
I'm gonna say yeah, yeah,

997
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:45,439
I would agree, agree with agree
with that. Uh actually Chris just came

998
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:51,560
in skinny Chris, Skinny Bob real
or fake? Definitely fake um from my

999
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,760
But just going back to that China
thing. So yeah, the plan was

1000
01:23:57,319 --> 01:24:01,119
submarine, but then they just got
the whole episod some reason. But look,

1001
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:03,960
that's a serious effort. They can
get lots of people into this looking

1002
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,720
to UAP and stuff. In the
US. For example, if you've got

1003
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,520
like a drug, if you've taken
drugs or something like that, and I'll

1004
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,960
test you on that, then you
can't even get the clearance is involved.

1005
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,880
And a lot of the best scientists
in the world have done drugs, you

1006
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:23,159
know. That's how they can get
their creativity flowing. And yet it's right,

1007
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:26,159
you know, among them. So
if you can't you just qualify a

1008
01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:29,039
scientist because of that, that that's
really really bad. But also there's a

1009
01:24:29,079 --> 01:24:32,319
different angle would approaching this as well, that if the US has actually found

1010
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:41,920
new technologies and it does have like
outstanding capabilities beyond, way beyond what China

1011
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,640
has, then that needs to be
made clear to the Chinese, to the

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01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,560
Russians. So it's kind of like, don't mess with us, you know,

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01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,560
we're we're top dogs. I think
that's kind of like thinking as well.

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01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,880
Instead of just like waiting for China
to pounce and do something on Taiwan

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01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,800
and then using your weapons like jumping
in like that and getting to show off

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01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,520
and destroy stuff, it's kind of
like, well, actually, why not

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01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:12,199
to show some of our capability?
Right? So that actually never happens in

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01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:17,039
the first place, and that's an
ongoing debate within the DoD in the intelligence

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01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:20,359
community, I know, definitely.
So yeah, okay, here's another one

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01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:29,560
from Sorry George Sank why I'm probably
butchering your name their apologies, Vinny.

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01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:35,880
Do they have bodies and as this
a low leak prep for disclosure, do

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01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,000
they have bodies? I mean,
I think this is what it could potentially

1023
01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:44,079
lead to. Absolutely, do they
have bodies? Well, I mean,

1024
01:25:44,119 --> 01:25:48,560
if we're to believe some of these
crash retrieval or crashes that have happened,

1025
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:53,680
let's again go back to the nineteen
thirty three case in Italy. It has

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01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,840
been said that there were bodies retrieved
from that incident. So, you know,

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01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,159
do we take the whole incident that
we've heard in the past and believe

1028
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,880
all of it, or do we
cherry pick the bits that we want to

1029
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,039
believe, you know, if we're
to take it all, then yes,

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01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:09,800
it was a craft with bodies,
So yeah, the potential is there.

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01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,920
Of course, what we need now
is, yes, more whistleblowers to come

1032
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,880
out, but we need the general
public. We need the evidence put in

1033
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,560
front of us, you know.
And I like to think that in time,

1034
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:23,920
with these investigations being done correctly by
the Inspector General and others, that

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01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:28,359
will get there eventually. So I
just hope that the process is done right.

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:34,039
And yeah, I'm looking forward to
to full disclosure right indeed, Chris

1037
01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:39,720
super crazy movie Geek asks when do
you think mainstream media will pick up and

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01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,319
run these stories? If ever,
what's the final part? That's a good

1039
01:26:44,399 --> 01:26:53,760
question. They need to wake up
again. You're mute, Sorry that you're

1040
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:59,079
mute, just like the mainstream media
is a mute anyway, Chris, go

1041
01:26:59,119 --> 01:27:01,800
ahead. They're going to be very
very cautious about that, you know,

1042
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:08,439
because they'll need so they can report
what the debrief report is that these reported

1043
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,960
and debrief because the debrief has kind
of done the verification stuff, but if

1044
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,520
they're going to take it on themselves, they'll need to do their own independent

1045
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:24,560
verification. You know about Grush and
these alleged programs and other things as well,

1046
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:29,279
So they'll need to do that and
they'll so I think you have to

1047
01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:34,000
wait to certain extents that these news
organizations can really have some time to look

1048
01:27:34,079 --> 01:27:38,920
over it really before going out there
and reporting on it. But they'll need

1049
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:43,520
to be satisfied. But look,
I mean, Washington Post really surprised me

1050
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,520
because it's motto is that democracy dies
in darkness, and we're talking about,

1051
01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:50,960
you know, a proud publication here
that prided itself on kind of uncovering such

1052
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:55,760
news, and now it's just it's
just not the same. And I think

1053
01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:00,079
this is a very very good example
about how the legacy media is really just

1054
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:06,399
lost trust and they're unwilling to actually
look into such controversial things now, which

1055
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:11,159
may be true. So I think
that's really serious. But you were mentioning

1056
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:16,000
the Italian bodies actually, so I've
got a description here about how they supposedly

1057
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,000
looked if you want me just to
read it out quickly. It's from an

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01:28:20,079 --> 01:28:24,840
article that I wrote. So this
is from an After that, I wrote,

1059
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,479
two bodies allegedly lay on a table. They look like twins. They're

1060
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:36,199
dead and preserved themold hyde themolde hyde. The bodies are in bad shape.

1061
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:42,039
They look like victims of a bad
car accident, but the heads remain intact.

1062
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,680
But it features trouble. French biologies
invited to study the bodies. Two

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01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:51,720
males, very tall around seven foot
long, blonde hair, very high and

1064
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:59,079
spacious foreheads, clear blue eyes that
look somewhat asiatic, small noses, small

1065
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:02,800
moles, small chins, finlets,
very clear, pale skin but no signs

1066
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,399
of facial hair. Their hands all
though slender, human like. Their toes

1067
01:29:06,399 --> 01:29:12,159
are too small and their feet flat. The story got weirder. Their skin

1068
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:18,720
appears perfectly white but shows no signs
of kerating granules, which play an important

1069
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:24,960
role in providing natural moisturization for the
skin in addition to UV protection and water

1070
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:30,760
retention. Startingly, the biologists discovered
that their lymphatic systems are dominant and practically

1071
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,279
replace the blood system, providing a
high degree of protection from any disease.

1072
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,960
They were not human, at least
as we know it, so that was

1073
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:53,319
an account there From Leonards Springfield about
apparent French biologists who got invited to look

1074
01:29:53,359 --> 01:29:59,560
at these bodies from this alleged Italian
craft that crashed, and the rumor was

1075
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,279
that they saw the bodies and they
thought they were German. Um. So

1076
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,319
I don't know like that, that's
just rumor. But I just thought,

1077
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:11,119
look, you know, i've reported
it a speculation that you know, I

1078
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:15,680
just thought it's quite interesting little thing. Let's see if we could potentially verify

1079
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,039
that as accurate, if there were
bodies. But yeah, it's it's a

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01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:24,039
very interesting case indeed. But we've
also got a guy involved as well,

1081
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:31,920
William William Brophy, who, according
to Dean Johnson, was a disinformation agent,

1082
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:38,840
so you know, he's made allegations
about this this craft as well.

1083
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,920
So we've got to be quite careful
when actually looking at the information presented about

1084
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:50,479
this alleged crash. Uh yeah,
wow. I want to give some shout

1085
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:55,000
out here. A contact Tour donated
ten dollars, Thank you very much.

1086
01:30:55,319 --> 01:31:00,840
Owen from Ohio donated three dollars,
Thank you so much. Let's see somebody

1087
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,159
else four ninety nine from somebody else
anyway, thank you for the thank you

1088
01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:08,600
for the donations. So we'll go
through a few more questions here. I

1089
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,520
want to make sure we all have
time to take a potty break and grab

1090
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,760
a drink or whatever before this News
Nation interview airs, which will be in

1091
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:21,399
around thirty minutes, and I encourage
everyone to tell your friends about it to

1092
01:31:21,399 --> 01:31:30,199
watch this. This is really important
for all of us to listen to what

1093
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:35,800
has been occurring under our noses that's
been hidden from the American public. So

1094
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:40,399
let me see, we'll do a
couple more questions here, Vinny, do

1095
01:31:40,399 --> 01:31:45,720
you think the US government will admit
anything being alleged in this story? If

1096
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:51,760
yes, how soon? No,
no idea of time scales, But I

1097
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:56,279
think if they're backed into a corner
enough, with enough whistleblowers coming forward,

1098
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,920
with Congress doing the right thing,
the Inspector General of the IC investigation,

1099
01:32:01,279 --> 01:32:06,439
then it might come to that in
an ideal world. I just don't know,

1100
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,640
and it's it's a very speculative,
you know, thing to sort of

1101
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:15,000
talk about, and of course i'd
like to see it happen. I guess

1102
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,359
it's just a waiting game, yeah
for sure. So I'm going to kind

1103
01:32:18,399 --> 01:32:21,039
of quickly go through these other questions, and if we didn't get to your

1104
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:27,199
question, apologies. Let's see Pete
at the Paranormal blit Pod. Do you

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01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:30,119
think this changes the conversation for Lazar
now? What do you guys think?

1106
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:40,239
Yes? Or no? No?
No, Chris, no, no,

1107
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:44,520
no, not at all. But
I think this kind of like supersedes um

1108
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,479
theizar now because we've got someone you
know, has put all these credentials out

1109
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:55,680
there now, if not common to
question, yet various people about for him,

1110
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:00,279
and he's got claims just as astonishing
as Lazarre excepts and the fact that

1111
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:03,760
we don't think he actually had physical
contact with the actual craft themselves. But

1112
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,760
look, the next step will be
actually to see if we can get some

1113
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:12,760
of these people that have directly dealt
with the programs to actually speak in public

1114
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,000
as well. Let's see if it
gets to that point. Okay, yan

1115
01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:20,119
Tiri, do you think the government
backs are to the wall now? Yes?

1116
01:33:20,199 --> 01:33:29,960
Or no? Vinny, yeah,
definitely dress what was the question?

1117
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:33,680
A sorry Okay, I said,
as the government's back up against the wall,

1118
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:39,560
I'd say that's a pretty big yes. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

1119
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:44,680
Like dods On like panic made right
now, they weren't prepared for this news

1120
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,920
at all. Otherwise you would have
had a holding statement. At least there

1121
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:54,720
is no holding statement. They're panicking, they're probably going to be up away

1122
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:59,319
beyond midnight tonight, just trying to
think responses that they're going to do work

1123
01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:02,239
in the various agencies and stuff like
that. So, yeah, it's a

1124
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:06,319
very very interesting situation right now.
Paul Susan by the way, yeah,

1125
01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:12,800
yeah, sorry, you know,
I'm sure she's pulling out her I'm sure

1126
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:17,359
she's pulling out her textbooks from when
she got her masters in psychological warfare.

1127
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:21,680
So she's probably pulling out the textbooks
figuring out, oh, how can I

1128
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:25,560
lie to these people some more and
get them to get them to believe it?

1129
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:30,159
Okay. Question also from Jennifer Curtis, Matt, have you reached out

1130
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:34,159
to Jilla Brand? The answer is
yes, I've reached out to her staff

1131
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:43,840
and gave them my take on what
I would recommend they do and how to

1132
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:50,479
handle it, which essentially Senator Jilla
Brand I basically said, this is a

1133
01:34:50,600 --> 01:35:00,520
unique opportunity for the Senator to get
ahead of this and really support support.

1134
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:06,159
Dave Ryan asks, will you three
come chat after the broadcast? I would

1135
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:10,399
love to. I would say,
you, gentlemen, are more than welcome

1136
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:16,560
to but we do have that News
Nation interview with Dave Gruce coming in in

1137
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:21,680
twenty five minutes. This is from
Home. Has anyone asked the Vatican their

1138
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:29,760
thoughts quickly, Chris? Have you
heard anything about that someone's done their research

1139
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,359
and the Salian case? Because the
rumor had it that the Americans are tip

1140
01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:39,000
top by the Vatican when it came
to that case, that someone's done their

1141
01:35:39,039 --> 01:35:42,399
homework. Let's see what comes out. Let's see what comes out, because

1142
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,640
yeah, they might need to be
some response to the Vatican to this if

1143
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,000
the room is put out there by
day. But let's just see what he

1144
01:35:49,039 --> 01:35:53,600
says. If the rumor is put
up put out there, then fair gang.

1145
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:57,920
We'll also comment. Okay, final
question here in the apologies that we

1146
01:35:58,199 --> 01:36:00,760
haven't been able to get to all
the questions have really been some great questions,

1147
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:08,880
but but this one is really great. CCC donated and asked what can

1148
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:14,439
the average citizen do to help with
disclosure? If any what can what can

1149
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:19,520
what can what can people do to
help this move this out and get this

1150
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:26,079
away from these secret keepers? I
think it's now is it's probably even more

1151
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:30,279
important than before to continue to contact
your representatives, especially now that we have

1152
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:34,119
this, this this fuel, this
ammunition to kind of help, you know,

1153
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:39,000
say, these people are coming forward
behind the scenes because they feel that

1154
01:36:39,039 --> 01:36:42,640
the public has the right to know. So, you know, Congress needs

1155
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,479
to get in there, do their
job and get that information out to the

1156
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:53,520
public. So, yeah, continue
contacting your representatives, Chris Thoughts, I

1157
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,840
think you're muted contact just like the
mainstream press. Sorry, let's start over.

1158
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:04,479
Just just contact your representatives. Just
put the basic information out there to

1159
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,960
them of the case, and just
ask them some questions. You know,

1160
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,960
have they been briefed on this?
If true, what does it mean,

1161
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:16,680
would they be should they be calling
for a church committee? Does democracy stop

1162
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:23,640
at the dud? There's some really
vital questions that need to be asked and

1163
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:29,640
answered this time. Unfortunately, I
don't see much of the media actually holding

1164
01:37:30,039 --> 01:37:32,920
them to account at the moment.
So it's up to citizens to do their

1165
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:40,119
job now. And I've got full
faith there's some excellent people on UFA Twitter,

1166
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:44,359
and you know, I think they're
more than capable of doing this.

1167
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,520
And if you're going to speak,
speak out now, now is the time

1168
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:57,359
to act. So I just received
a statement from Congressman timber Chett. Hi,

1169
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:01,159
Matthew, you can read the quote
below a tributable to Representative Burchette quote.

1170
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:06,159
Again, this is from Congressman Tim
Burchett. Dave gruche is right to

1171
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:11,239
push for this information to be made
public. I'm not sure what everybody is

1172
01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:15,359
so afraid of or why the top
people in the chain of command keep covering

1173
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:23,760
this up. If if David has
credible information about UAP discoveries, Congress and

1174
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,640
the public should know about it.
We should all keep fighting to get this

1175
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,760
all out in the open. Best. Congressman Tim Breschett. That's a powerful

1176
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:39,520
statement, and any thoughts. I
mean, I just hope that, like

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01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,800
we said earlier, that other people
are willing to step up to the plate

1178
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,840
who are in a position, you
know, such as that to start doing

1179
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,680
something or at least start speaking about
it. Show us some cohones exactly.

1180
01:38:51,760 --> 01:39:00,000
Chris, Yeah, I just I
just hope other political representatives actually take his

1181
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:06,319
lead and actually speak out as well. Um, they're just too coocious.

1182
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:10,439
I'm sorry, they're just too colcious, these politicians are. They need to

1183
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:16,359
be more outspoken on this. I
completely he said, I completely agree.

1184
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,600
You know, so, folks,
here here's here's kind of the takeaway of

1185
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:26,840
it. One read this deep this
article in the debrief, it will open

1186
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:31,239
your eyes too. And if twenty
minutes watch the News Nation interview. But

1187
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:34,479
you know, here are the things
to consider. The American government or elements,

1188
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:40,840
rogue elements in the American government have
been illegally hiding this from the American

1189
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:45,319
people in the world. They've been
illegally hiding this from Congress. That should

1190
01:39:45,319 --> 01:39:49,319
be enraging enough. But what should
really enrage you is that you have elements

1191
01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:55,239
of the government, either in the
CIA or whatever, that are harassing our

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01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,680
men and women serving our country,
men and women in uniform, men and

1193
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:04,279
women that such as Dave Grusch,
that have served this country in ways that

1194
01:40:04,319 --> 01:40:09,119
we will probably never find out about. One of the things I noted in

1195
01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:13,479
the article he was this. Dave
was one of the people that would provide

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01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:18,720
information that went into the Presidential Daily
Brief. So you have to ask yourself,

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01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:24,439
as Americans, as as people that
support support democracy, are you going

1198
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:30,000
to stand by let your senators and
congressmen not take a stand. You know,

1199
01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:34,520
luckily timber Schett just did. Congressman
timber Schett, But you got to

1200
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:40,399
call these people up. You call
your congressman, call your senator, say

1201
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:45,680
to them we have a right to
know this. But moreover, we do

1202
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:50,760
not live in a country where people
are threatened by the government. It's it's

1203
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:57,319
wrong on so many levels. You, if you care about democracy, get

1204
01:40:57,359 --> 01:41:02,000
on the phone and call your representative
those call your congressman and tell them this

1205
01:41:02,119 --> 01:41:08,600
is not how democracy operates. So
enough of myne rant there, Vinny,

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01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:14,319
how can people find you? Yeah, just head on over to Twitter.

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01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:18,640
It's disclosure at Disclosure Team with an
underscore afterwards. So yeah, go and

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01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,760
check me out there and from there
you can find me on YouTube and Instagram

1209
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:28,319
and everywhere else. Excellent, Chris, how can we find you? So

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www dot Liberation Times dot com.
That's my website. I also wrote for

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the daiate email as well, so
keep checked out for articles on there,

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and then my Twitter is at Chris
uk shop. And also just to announce

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as well, I got an email
and it was really weird. I said

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I'd brought up this. So Vinny
was mentioning about five eys in countries speaking

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out so as he was saying that
I got I got an email from Canada's

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Department at Defense confirming that the UAP
needs did take place, as stated by

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the ARRAY Director, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick
at the recent NASA meeting. And remember

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this is something that the UK's Ministry
of Defense was unable to do, which

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is crazy, and it tells you
the level of secrecy that we're dealing with

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in the UK. And the statement
goes the Canadian Armed Forces is confirmed that

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an informal five AS forum took place
on the issue of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena between

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our allies, and that Kirkpatrick gave
a presentation on that subject. Our nation's

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military is routine the exchange information on
a number of subjects part of our long

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standing corporations, partners and defense.
While details of the meeting remained classified,

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it can be characterized as the sharing
of information on the subject of UAP and

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no further details can be shared at
this time. The sharing of information is

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an example of the ongoing important relationship
between our militaries. So isn't that great?

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We've got some um, we've got
some transparency from from Kindada. Maybe

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maybe I will move there. Uh
That's I love that. Uh yeah,

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I mean wow, that's uh it's
finally people are are are speaking up and

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and uh, you know certainly you
know I'm I'm a Democrat, and I've

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been messaging uh to my political connections
that they this has to be kept by

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partisan and um and that you can't
just keep burying your heads on the sand.

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The cat is out of the bag. And with this article today in

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debrief, it's you know, you're
either gonna be ahead of the narrative or

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you're gonna be uh following everybody else. And it's time for our world leaders,

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uh members of our Congress senators to
to show some balls, show some

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leadership and do the right thing for
democrat or see, I know, I

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know you can do it. Anyway, guys, thanks for joining us again.

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In fifteen minutes, news Nation,
watch the interview, I can't wait,

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and yeah, I'm gonna make some
popcorn. Vinny Adams, thank you

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for joining us. Chris Sharp.
We look forward to your future articles in

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the Liberation Times and the Daily Mail, and I think probably in a few

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days we're going to be having some
really interesting conversations. Anyway, Thanks everyone

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for joining us again. If you
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So and thanks again for everyone's support, financial support, and yeah, joining

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us for this really important newsday.
Okay, so that's it. I'm Matt.

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This says the Good Trouble Show,
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