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Podcast joint host Hoho as he discusses
the rimting Netflix original series Black Mirror.

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Now Here he is broadcasting from the
mobile studio. Welcome to Black Mirror Podcast

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and as always, I'm your host, ho Ho. So Hey, I

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was doing I hope you're doing good. I really do. Today we are

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revisiting season three, episode six,
entitled Hated in the Nation. But before

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we go into that, I have
got an update that I think is absolutely

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amazing. And I know I'm probably
behind the times on this, considering this

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is May May, but season six
is due to release next month, in

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June of twenty twenty three, so
I am super excited. Now I'm still

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going to complete the revisited Okay,
I have a couple episodes in season four

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one, two, three, a
few episodes in season four that I'm wanting

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to cover. Of course, we
have the interactive film bandersnatch I'm going to

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be revisiting, and then it looks
like one episode in season five and then

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we'll be getting into season six and
there are five episodes in that one.

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I'll tell you what I'm excited about
that, I really am. I do

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have the titles right here in front
of we have Episode one, Joan is

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Awful to Locke Henry, three Beyond
the Sea, four Mazor Day, and

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then five Demon seventy nine. Who
that one sounds who? Yeah, doesn't

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it even seventy nine? But anyway, you know, there's I got.

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I got high hopes for season six. I really do, you know,

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because you know from what I heard
of the onset whenever they did decide to

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go ahead and do a sixth season, is that they really upped the production

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value from my understanding, quite a
bit. So you know, the whether

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it be cast, whether it be
whatever. I have no idea. I

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don't know what this is going to
translate to. I really don't, but

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either way, I'm excited to see
what happens. Is that on it is

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on? Okay, okay, good, So I'm excited. I really am

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this the five episodes, which I
think is actually I don't know, that's

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kind of what I was expecting.
Well, I was kind of expecting six,

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But anyway, doesn't matter. So
let's go ahead and get into this

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episode. Now. It really was
a toss up between which one I would

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is going to do, you know, Men against Fire and Hated in the

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Nation, But to be perfectly honest
with you, I settled on hated in

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the nation because of just the state
of things right now. Okay, because

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with the lockdowns and with us being
forced into you know, the only type

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of interaction that we get was basically
through digital, through social media whatnot.

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It just it seemed right to me
to talk about this episode versus men against

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Fire. I mean, it really
did. Now before we get into you

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know, before we go any farther, you know, definitely spoiler alert if

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you have not watched this episode,
I highly recommend it. I really do.

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It's a great episode, and this
one really well. Okay, let's

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put it this way. Okay,
Now, I'm not that old, because

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I don't like to think that I
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because the older you get, the
older old becomes, you know what I

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mean. You know, I mean
when I was a kid, you know,

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twenty was old, thirty was ancient. Now I'm forty, and it's

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like I thinks so bad, you
know, I mean, granted, my

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body talks to me. You know, I can't do the same things that

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I used to did. Pain is
different sometimes it constant. You know,

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you really discover that, you know, maybe I shouldn't have done that whenever

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I was younger. You know,
you feel the stupidity of your youth as

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you get older, you really do. But my point is, you know,

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in my day, you know,
before the digital era, you know,

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you talk back to somebody, there
were consequences, real world consequences to

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you running your mouth, to you
saying something that you see shouldn't say,

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you know, I mean, yeah, I joked that it would be fun

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to lip off to you know,
Mike Tyson. But in reality, oh,

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he'd punch me. It would hurt. And but at least I can

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say I lipped off to Mike Tyson. But in the digital age, you

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can do those kind of things without
having those real world consequences. And that's

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one of the things that they explore
in this episode. You know, we

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called him back in the day,
you know, like you know, telephone

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tough guys. You know people that
would talk so tough on the telephone,

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but then face to face, they're
like a different person, aren't they.

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You know, I'm a truck driver. We have radio rambos again, you

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know, they're talking big and bad
on the radio, But yet you see

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him in a truck stop and sometimes
you can recognize who they are, you

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know, by their voice. But
it's it's different because now that there's and

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they know there's real world consequences to
them running their mouth. And whenever you're

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in you know, social media,
whenever you're talking, you know, I

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mean, there's that degree of separation, isn't there, you know, because

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there's you know, you're speaking not
to a person, but you're speaking to

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a name on the screen, an
avatar, and you yourself are a name

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on the screen. You're an avatar. We don't think about the person behind

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the name, the person behind the
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and what it could be doing to
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we talk to somebody in person,
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affecting them. But whenever we are
talking on social media, we don't get

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that, you know. We keep
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mouth, not thinking about the consequences, not thinking about how this could be

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affecting somebody else. And because of
that, you know, we've grown disconnected

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with human interaction. We've grown calloused
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the things they kind of explore on
this episode. So let's let's let's get

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into this. So what happened was, you know, through whatever, Okay,

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the bee population had dropped down animal
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because they talked about animals that has
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bee population is something that we really
really need. I mean, if we

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if we run out of bees,
if if all the bees die, then

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we are truly in a very very
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the pollination that happens and everything else
that the bees do, well it's no

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longer going to be done. Plant
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our existence is attached to their existence, well we jeopardize our own existence too.

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Boy, howdy do we ever?
So we need bees? And is

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what they do through technology nanotechnology I
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robotic bees in order to combat the
loss of the bee population, so that

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this way they can do the pollination
that the bees are no longer there to

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do, to save humanity, to
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nine yards. Now, I don't
know if bees actually gone extinct or

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not, I don't know, but
they build these robotic bees in order to

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fill in the gap. Now,
in of course, in government fashion,

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you know, the government sees this
as an opportunity because you know, these

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robotic bees, you know, my
yes, this is a something that is

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necessary, something that people would pay
top dollar for. However, considering how

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dire this situation was, they didn't
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whether it was the company that was
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to the government for assistance or whether
the government went to them to seize an

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opportunity, we don't know. It
doesn't talk about that in this episode,

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but what it does talk about is
that the government, through this relationship with

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this corporation that was producing these bees
and developing this technology, they seen an

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opportunity, and it was an opportunity
for surveillance. These bees, you know,

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having cameras on them and whatnot,
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software. They can link the bees
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on everybody and linking profiles and phones
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of in real time everybody everywhere,
in typical government fashion, because of course,

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we need to do this. What
if something happens, we need to

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do this now. I don't generally
mix politics with this show. I don't

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generally do that. But you know, a famous person once said that if

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you sacrifice freedom for security, you
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this is a warning for just that, a possible consequence for allowing anybody to

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have too much power. So there's
my sorry, I hit, I'm sorry,

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I hit the microphone I got I
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anyway, anyway, you know.
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go into the political aspect of it. Okay, we'll leave that for you

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know, the Ho Ho show,
of course. Now is where this starts

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to get interesting. Is well,
just like any computer, just like any

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type of you know, cloud based
whatever, something that is not hardline wired,

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that is not air gapped between the
system, something that you you know,

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don't have to physically be present in
order to access the system, it's

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vulnerable to attack. And that's just
what happened. Somebody hacked into and gained

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control of all these bees, thousands
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continent of where this took place,
which was Great Britain. That doesn't matter,

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it's not really relevant to the story, but that's where this took place,

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Great Britain. Now, the guy
who did this did this for what

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he believed was a good reason.
You know, he did this because I

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believe it was like a friend of
his whom was getting attacked on social media.

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She you know, it put her
in such a mental state that she

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committed suicide, you know, just
the random attacks from people who didn't know

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her, people that we're you know, taking advantage of the situation of not

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having any consequences to their actions.
And he was upset about this. He

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truly was upset. Now you can
justify his actions or not. You know,

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it doesn't really matter. And I'm
not condoning this type of thing,

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don't get me wrong. But you
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to keep in mind that these people
that we're talking to that we are you

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know, that we are pointing these
attacks at there's somebody behind the avatar.

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It has an effect. We need
to be aware of this. We need

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to stop hating each other. We
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each other. You know, in
my day, you know, my mother

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taught me, if you don't have
something nice to say, then keep a

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freaking mouth shut. Don't say anything
at all. Why do you feel like

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you got to give your two cents
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actions, be mindful of your words. Just be mindful. Be better.

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So he was taking his anger out
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were responsible for his friends or wives
or who whomever it was, their their

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death, and so something ended up
happening. It was a hashtag kill a

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person. I don't know exactly what
the command was. I don't. I

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don't remember what the hashtag was.
I don't. I don't recall. You

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know, hashtags is something that I
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it's kind of I don't know how
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can do some wonderful, amazing things. I know it can, you know,

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help you search things, and that
there's relevance to it, and you

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know it can. It's it's fun, you know, But I myself,

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I don't go there. I don't. I don't do that. It goes

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beyond me, you know, I
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it doesn't matter. I just don't. I'm still kind of ignorant with

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some things. Whenever it comes to
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that's pretty apparent. Whenever you check
out my you know the social media places

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where I'm at, but it's neither
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somebody ended up happening, and they, you know, the people that were

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using this hashtag were people that were
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You know, they had grievances towards
an individual they had you know that

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they didn't like what they were doing. And what you see happen very early

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off in you know, the episode, was somebody died and looked like on

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the surface it was a suicide,
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was one of these little robotic bees
had crawled into the ear canalisius individual,

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went right into their brain through the
pain receptors and just threw them into a

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tizzy, making them feel more pained
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life. And in order to escape
the pain, this individual ended up breaking

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a bottle and cutting her own throat. Somebody else had passed away because of

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this hashtag kill somebody, and during
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because it is metal, it burst
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they realized what was going on,
and they had tied it to this hashtag

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on social media because these per these
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hashtag said kill them, and that's
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so they tried everything they can do
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so that's whenever you come to find
out just how much control that the government

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was using the surveillance aspect of it. They shut it down, But there

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was something else that was going on
behind the scenes, because they figured out

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that that back door went both ways. They yes, the government can use

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the facial recognition and track people,
but the program that they were hacking into,

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they will they could also hack into
the government records and find out who

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somebody was, attach a face to
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telephone using the IMEI number. And
what was going on was every single person

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who was using this hashtag kill somebody, the program was saving that person's information.

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And when the government decided to shut
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Bees went after everybody who used the
hashtag kill somebody. Even though by the

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time this was going on, the
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people knew that by using this hashtag
kills somebody, somebody was going to die.

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By then, they already knew this. They already knew that there was

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a real world consequence to what was
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Still they were using this hashtag kill
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what was going on because to them, yeah, there may be a person

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on the other side of that.
But you know, all right, I'm

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gonna be honest with you, Okay, I don't get and I understand that

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some people do. I don't.
I don't get emotionally attached to people I

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don't know. You know, I
hear that, you know, an actor

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passed away for whatever reason. It
doesn't really matter. I mean, it

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doesn't affect me emotionally. I didn't
oh this individual. Yes, it may

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be tragic. Yes, it may
raise awareness in some way, shape or

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form to help combat against whatever happened, you know, whether it be through

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you know, one means or another, it doesn't really matter. But you

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know, my point is, it
doesn't affect me. This person wasn't part

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of my life. I watched them
through a television I seen what was going

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on in their lives through you know, social media, through what have you.

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I don't know these persons, these
people directly. It doesn't affect me

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in the end, it doesn't change
my life. I mean, yeah,

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this person may be dead, that
doesn't mean I can no longer watch movies.

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That just means that he's no longer
going to be present in them.

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It doesn't change my life. It
doesn't affect me. It doesn't matter to

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me, not in an emotional or
even a spiritual level. And I think

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that had a lot to do with
why people were so eager to use this

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hashtag kill somebody, because they didn't
know him, and in their mind,

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this person had done something, something
terrible that they felt this person needed to

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die so that this way they can
no longer do it. And one of

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the people that they used a hashtag
kill somebody, and after they already knew

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the consequences that could happen, was
the prime minister of their government. This

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person must die. And that's whenever
the prime minister demanded that this be shut

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down, that these bees be deactivated, and you know it was you know,

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but by then they were like,
oh, this could be bad,

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this could be bad, you know
if we you know, because then they

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noticed the file that had names in
imei numbers that was attached to a face

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and an address and everything else that
of everybody that used a hashtag. And

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they were like, oh, holy
crap, there's a possibility that if we

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shut these things down that that will
activate the bees to do this you know,

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this this command and it could send
the bees after everybody that has used

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a hashtag kills somebody. But they
didn't care. You know, this government

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official was like, doesn't matter to
me. I have to say the Prime

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minister were shutting these things down,
and they did, and at first they

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thought, hey, no problems,
no issues, everything worked fine, and

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then they quickly realized, oh boy, who these bees win after everybody that

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is used a hashtag kills somebody.
It doesn't give an indication as to a

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number as far as how many people
died, but it was a lot.

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Let's just put it that way.
It was a lot. The person who

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did this finally was you know,
brought to justice. We don't know how.

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It doesn't really say that. All
it really tells us is that,

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yeah, he was found. But
there you go. That's the conclusion of

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the Hated in a Nation And why
I felt this episode was so impactful and

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meaningful because you know, with the
covids, with with living in the digital

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age, where we live so much
of our lives on social media, we

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have that degree of separation that easily
provides us the insulation from the consequences of

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our own actions or our own words
that we say. We don't identify these

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names and pictures as people. We
just don't, which allows us to just

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be ugly to people. You know, before social media, before smartphones,

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before all of that, there were
real world consequences to our actions. Nowadays,

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we don't really see that. Nowadays, we don't have that. Nowadays,

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it's almost like people would prefer to
text or message or tweet somebody that

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to actually communicate, even on the
phone through a call using your voice,

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let alone talk and face to face. It's like we are withdrawing ourselves from

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life, aren't we, you know? I mean, how many of us

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experience going you know, you maybe
a family dinner, maybe going out to

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a restaurant. How much time do
you spend on your phone surfing social media?

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How you know? Do you take
a picture of your food and the

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look where I'm at and tag somebody
in it you know, or wish you

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were here or whatever? Why Why
do you wish they were there? Because

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you know, even though we are
more connected than we have ever been,

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we are more alone than what we've
ever been to. You know, even

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though, yeah, even though it's
brought us or given us a level of

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connection with people we've never had.
You know, we spend way too much

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time on our phone, not living
our life, but living on social media.

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Has that damaged us in a way? Now, don't get me wrong,

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people, I'm not you know,
allowing people away out from the responsibility

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of their actions, Like I'm blaming
social media and I'm not blaming a person

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or an individual. Don't get me
wrong. Bad behavior is bad behavior.

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You can blame whoever you want to. It doesn't matter. You're still responsible

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for what you do. I'm not
blaming. But isn't life about balance?

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You know? I mean, isn't
it about balance? That I mean?

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Shouldn't we find some type of harmony
between living a life here versus living a

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life out there? Shouldn't we find
that balance? Shouldn't we not sacrifice one

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for the other. Shouldn't we be
more concerned with not only our emotional and

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mental health, but other people's as
well? You know, we weep and

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mourn for people that we don't even
know we weep and mourn for those whom

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you know, something happens to.
But we have a chance to have those

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interactions with people. Let's take them
more often, you know, Let's be

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better. Let's not mourn the would
it could have shood us and be better.

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Didn't know what we should do.
I think we should. I love

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Black Mirror, I really do.
It's an awesome series. An awesome show

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explores so many aspects of human life
and interactions, and you know, how

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we interact with technology, how we
interact with ourselves, and how we interact

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with ourselves through technology. Black Mirror
is awesome. I can't wait to get

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into series at six. So,
yes, it is going to be a

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little while before we get into season
six, but that'll allow everybody to you

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know, watch it, you know, and have fun with it, get

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your own opinions, your own ideas
about what's going on before I actually talk

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about him here. So the guys
awesome episode. Highly recommend watching it.

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The next one I do is going
to be I think it's Uss Callister.

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Yes, Uss Callister Season four,
episode one. I'm looking forward to that

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one, all right, y'a,
always have yourself a great one. I'll

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see you the next one. Thank
you for listening to the Black Mirror podcast.

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