WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:09.679 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnassio and JP Sorrows. It's 2 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:14.960 the Lapsed Fans. Get all my years wrestling, I've never seen anything like 3 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:24.199 l Well, it's the lapst fan man by the one the ringer to get 4 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.640 about the sorrow with the real King of swing. When the bell goes hanging 5 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:31.960 to kick like men prone in the corner, whets rash like state. Even 6 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:36.039 Jerry King could take off the crown, nodding his head like a d low 7 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:39.840 brown which you get low down, go even high up, flip you on 8 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.880 your head. But you know coo driving you speaking more knowledge and dragon spits 9 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.320 fire, give you more shocked than a head, tree tires and drop a 10 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.320 more truth than the conn of sniper. Less you would a coconut, Roddy 11 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:56.240 Piper check and JP like j y d drop the cupcakes and golden the green 12 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.000 bar means the best podcast. F start to close. Fine of y'all. 13 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:06.760 I've been a US. We've talked a lot over the course of our history 14 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:10.519 here at the Lapse Fan about no holds. Bard have the seminal film for 15 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:15.200 hold the Maniacs of Our Yolk from the late eighties and We've always wondered what 16 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:17.879 it was like on set, what it was like to put together something that 17 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.640 I've beg influenced a lot more wrestling fans than people might realize. I think 18 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.599 so too. You know, we talked about that in many ways being our 19 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:27.519 introduction to to Hulk Hogan and the essence of the Holster, and never, 20 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:32.640 I don't think did we imagine or anticipate that we have the opportunity get a 21 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.640 little closer to No Holds Barred. And we're able to do that here for 22 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:41.959 our fans thanks to folks at the Legacy Theater, who is presenting a play 23 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.680 right now that you need to check out. It's running through June eleventh. 24 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:49.400 Okay, it's called Masters of Puppets and it's a look a no holds barred 25 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.879 look at the dirty underbelly of our beloved business. And it's starring no less 26 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:59.519 than Brell himself. We are privileged here at left to welcome Kurt Fuller and 27 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.120 Kirk. This is this is this is huge. I think you know that. 28 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:07.280 Well, of course it's huge. Are you kidding me? This is 29 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:13.879 monumental? Yes, to have Brell all these years later? When was that 30 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:19.639 movie nineteen eighty something shot out eighty nine, right, Okay, Yes, 31 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.919 I remember I said to Vince McMahon when I saw the release date, I 32 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:30.879 said, it's coming out on the same weekend as Indiana Jones too. And 33 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:36.280 he looked at me and goes, we're going to kill him. Kurt, 34 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.039 you don't understand. We are going to destroy Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones. 35 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.439 Oh my god, my god, if he was, if he You've got 36 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.960 a job for life now you are, Vince McMahon. That's fantastic. Say 37 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.199 you don't have a job for life? Well, yeah, exactly. So 38 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.120 was that your first introduction, Kurt to the bombassa miss of Vince is making 39 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:04.800 those kind of grandios promises because he'd be the first to laugh about this movie 40 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:09.159 today. But back then, um well back then there was no laughing going 41 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:15.199 on. But they were no I I Vince, he made me. I 42 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.639 mean, I was a very young actor. I wasn't that young, but 43 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:23.159 I was really just starting out as my first real job in show business, 44 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:31.800 and they made me audition five times for the role for No Holds Barred, 45 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:38.479 for No Holds Bard Give me a break. I mean, I did Midnight 46 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.960 in Paris and Woody Allen movie. I didn't have to audition at all, 47 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:47.639 but Vince wanted to see me five times, and I realized now that he 48 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:53.280 was looking to see if I could, if I could truly overact as much 49 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.240 as he wanted me to overactow and apparently I was able to, which kind 50 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.560 of why I heard making that movie was bigger, bigger, And I'd say 51 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.080 to him, I'd say, Vince, I'm so big. He goes, 52 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:09.840 You're acting next to him, a guy who was sixty seven wearing red span 53 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:15.120 deck. You can't be too big, so uh, that's that's that was 54 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.920 That's what I take away from that movie is that you can't be too big. 55 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:24.639 And that's the exact opposite of what you know you're used to, uh, 56 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.160 in terms of film and TV acting like you're not supposed to play big, 57 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.839 You're supposed to play small. It's the small, small small. I'm 58 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:32.879 always I've always know my whole life too much, too much, too much, 59 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:39.439 not not no whole guard, no, sir, entirely different experience. 60 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.680 Oh my god. Every time I did something, they do it against it, 61 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:50.480 bigger, bigger, like say bigger biggers. I'd say. I had 62 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:56.439 the line Miss Tidings take a leak okay, And I want I see this 63 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.519 is how starred or beloved. I I look at the experience. You take 64 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.879 your choice. Uh. But I I said it like throw it away, 65 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.120 you know, miss Tidings, take a leak okay, which is how I 66 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.519 would do it now if I had such a line, right, But they 67 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:19.199 had me go and Vince was behind this all the way, Miss Tidings, 68 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:26.439 and that was that was no holds barred in a nutshell. So I guess 69 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.759 the real question I have right from there is who was really directing this thing? 70 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:39.160 Was it? Was it McMahon or was it uh Tom Right? It 71 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:44.800 was? I think it was Tom right on the set, but I think 72 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.199 he had marching orders. In fact, I'm sure he had marching orders because 73 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:53.079 Tom Right at the time he's gone on to be you know, to do 74 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:58.079 a lot of work. He was a stunt guy. I mean he was 75 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.120 that was his specialty. So he could he could direct all the wrestling and 76 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:06.040 the stunts and all that. And uh, I think he was sort of 77 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:11.759 told it's got to be bigger than big, it's got to be like a 78 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.000 like, you know, a super Slam event or something. So uh, 79 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:20.160 I think it was a combination super slam. Yeah, that's actually write that 80 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:26.240 down. Did he actually now? So Vince was more a face to face 81 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.160 presence for you an audition only, or on set as well. It's hard 82 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.000 for us to was he was on set. He and Hulk would would lift 83 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:42.000 weights every day, and uh, I don't know what they were enjoying whatever, 84 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.839 you know, I was never I you know, I I found that 85 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.519 out later. At the time, you know, it all seemed like, 86 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.480 you know, they were chummy and h they were chummy at the time. 87 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:55.560 This Hope was at the top of his game. Did you did you work 88 00:06:55.560 --> 00:07:02.800 out with him at the gym m or No? I was not. I 89 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.639 was not going in there when they were there, But I did hang out 90 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:10.920 with him a lot on said and we do all these you know, he 91 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.600 was the toast of Atlanta where we were shooting. So and he was you 92 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:21.600 know the thing that I that struck me the most about the wrestling, and 93 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:26.040 you know a lot of people wrestler was a guest. It was the WWF 94 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.879 at the time who came in. They came in and did things. Was 95 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.959 and I went to Stanford and did some stuff and I saw them doing stuff. 96 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:42.120 It was a hundred percent business. It was. They were all about 97 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:49.600 the money, and they also were all really screwed up physically. They were 98 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:58.279 in major pain scars. I mean the pain you know, the wrestling may 99 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:03.319 be quote unquote fake with thee is very real. Well, guys are hurt. 100 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.920 Yeah, it's it's interesting that you glean that. I mean, there 101 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.639 are so many wrestlers in this movie beyond Hulk, from Stan Hanson to the 102 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.279 Duke of Dorche's Pete Doherty and Zeus Is in the movie and so many. 103 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.920 Yeah, so you did get a beat on the business in general. One 104 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.240 of the things, Boss, if you could ready sound one for Kurt that 105 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.519 we wanted to surprise you with, was you also, in addition to going 106 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.839 to Stanford, I believe you also shot um a bit of promotion for the 107 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.879 movie that aired on WWF television playing the characters. But I have buried that 108 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:39.960 and forgotten. Possibly you can't possibly have any sound from I paid good money 109 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.360 to have that foot in a vault in the North Pole. What about Hulk 110 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.120 Hogan and his big storry role? Did he steal a shower? Wise? 111 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:58.320 Hook Hogan? Here? What are you doing? We had contractual arrangements, 112 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.320 We had agree. I was lost it here, you're upset. I all 113 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.639 right, I'm trying movie. All right, I'm trying to get a movie 114 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:11.480 that's not a movie that's a travesty. The movie is Zeus destroys Hook, 115 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.200 not Holps destroy Zeus. We had arrangements, We had agreements. It was 116 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.480 contractingly agreed to that Zeus destroys Hook. Now where is he? I don't 117 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.200 know who you think you are, but money doesn't buy it. I'll fail 118 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.360 you who I am. I am the man behind the entire movie, and 119 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.919 it was pulled out from under me by whul Covid and whoever's behind him. 120 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.559 All right, thank you very much. Fist. Well, I don't thank 121 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.360 you. I don't think anybody connected with this movie or but you're on a 122 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.879 line here, You're on a line, and I'm out of here. Fucker 123 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:46.000 romamot soon and Kurt memories please. Well, okay, First of all, 124 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:52.559 I was cruelly ignored during awards season, truly, Yes, I mean, 125 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:58.840 come on, come on and two or B whichever one you want. That 126 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:05.360 was mean. Geen wasn't How do I remember these names? Oh my god? 127 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.360 Yes he was, yes, he certainly was. But I was, 128 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.320 you know, I didn't know anything about wrestling. They just told me to 129 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.840 show up there. You know, they picked me up and you know whatever, 130 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.120 and they had I guess they did a showing of the movie. They 131 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.159 had a real showing of the movie. And then they just threw me up 132 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.440 there and said, okay, you're gonna talk to him now, just say 133 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.279 some stuff. Told me nothing nothing, No, I'm looking, I'm an 134 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.200 actor. You give me a script, I'll learn it. Give me a 135 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.799 few days, give me a couple of weeks, and we'll shoot it. 136 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.399 But that was like they just threw it. Looks like they threw me out 137 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:46.399 there into like, you know, a snake pit and said, you know, 138 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.320 okay, you know, avoid all these snakes. It was just all 139 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.840 completely off the top of my head. And I mean, you know you're 140 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.600 online, you're I remember. I was just I was just panicked. I 141 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.480 was out of my mind, not knowing what to do. And you know, 142 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.159 here I am thinking this was my big break and this was you know, 143 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.759 I can't screw this up. And I was just in panic the whole 144 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.879 time I was doing that. And these other guys, they're complete prose. 145 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.200 I mean, Gene Okerlin, he knows what he's doing so. This is 146 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.039 in Stanford, Connecticut, at their headquarters that this happened. Well, it 147 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.399 was at a theater, right, actually theater yeah, yeah, that on 148 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.480 the lobby, right, that's right, Yeah, true, truly, so 149 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.080 yeah, it was. It was crazy. I did some others that he 150 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.879 had me. There was a little kid would come to the movie okay, 151 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.759 not part of anything, not part of anything, and they had me to 152 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.320 steal a cookie out of his hand, yes and scream at it. Okay. 153 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.639 This kid was scarred for life. He was you know, he went 154 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.799 came with his mommy and daddy to see the movie, and all of a 155 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.519 sudden, the mean guy from the movie who he made couldn't he clicking associate 156 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:05.320 see in reality was in there treating like absolute crack. He must have thought 157 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.879 I was gonna, you know, take him away. And after we finished, 158 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.519 I went up to him and I hugged him mind that Hey we were 159 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.799 just playing, and he was like shaking, going okay, thank you. 160 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:22.399 He probably went through years of therapy because of me. I mean, it 161 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.759 was ridiculous what they were doing. Ridiculous. That's what you get your tail 162 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.159 in this water mane. I was happy to do it. Well that you 163 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.600 did a hell of a job. Sound Oh my god. So I've heard 164 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.480 different things over the years in terms of who you think you're playing as Brell. 165 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.200 I heard Trump come up, I heard Ted Turner come up. We 166 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.279 looked at it and with the bathroom humor and with the over emphasis on like, 167 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.759 you know, boisterousness, and just how how maniahal he, I think 168 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.720 this is Vince McMahon's ID. Kurt, I think you were playing Vince McMahon. 169 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.440 What do you think? Oh, oh, I'm I'm sure. I'm 170 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.000 sure they wrote it as you know, what Vince would think as a mean, 171 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:09.919 horrible version of himself, but is actually probably pretty accurate. But I 172 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.440 I didn't know Vince McMahon. I didn't. I wasn't a wrestling fan, 173 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.559 you know. I mean I I actually am more of a wrestling fan now 174 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.879 having done that movie and you know, seeing really how athletic these guys really 175 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:28.240 are pretty unbelievable. Uh. But at the time I was, I was 176 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.360 playing, you know, Ted Turner was the big dude Ben, not Trump, 177 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.080 not in Vince. I didn't even know who he was, but I 178 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.679 learned pretty fast. I was I was playing like a horrible Ted Turner that's 179 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:45.440 what I was playing. But I think I was really playing a pretty accurate 180 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.440 Vince McMahon at the end of the day. I'm glad you agree. At 181 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.159 the end of the day, were you told directly by Vince at any point 182 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.840 we kind of want you to evoke Ted Turner here? Did he say Ted 183 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:58.919 Turner? No? No, No, he doesn't think like that. He 184 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:03.519 does, he doesn't have any and he creative, you know like that? 185 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:09.679 Yes, you know, I mean, I think in the original script folk 186 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:15.200 arrived I think in the Hudson River in a submarine. Oh god. And 187 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.559 he said we're not paying for that. Wow, And that was what that 188 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.919 was what he was doing. Do you know that making the lore of this 189 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.360 court is that you know to your point about the original script, that there 190 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.159 was a moment. Hogan talks about it in his book, which you know, 191 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:31.879 it's just as much fiction as nonfiction as you can imagine. I'm sure 192 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.679 it is. I missed it. I'm sorry I didn't. If you need 193 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.960 a laugh, If you need a laugh, I recommend it. The question 194 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:46.759 about well, I just keep reading the New York Times, you know, 195 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.039 recommended list, and I've never seen his UMBOO. I probably I probably missed 196 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:56.240 it, so go ahead, thank you. So but he has this Yarnie 197 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.960 spends about how like, you know, shortly before the film was to shoot, 198 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.080 they just had this him, him and Vince had this epiphany and they 199 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.360 went into a hotel and Flora's at Clearwater Beach, Florida, somewhere, he 200 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.840 specifies the hotel, it's not important. Everybody gets together. He gets together 201 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.759 with him, and they do like a like a three day session in this 202 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.080 hotel of rewriting the script. And this is where Hogan claims to into it, 203 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.480 the moment where he throws one of the ring posts like it's a you 204 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.879 know, like it's some kind of a spear or some kind of like thing 205 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.159 you harpoon a whale with. And he's got this whole story about how they 206 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.200 rewrote it together. You know, arm in arm in this hotel room. 207 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.000 Do you remember, as a key part of the cast, there being like 208 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:37.559 something that would indicate that happened. No, I do not. I know 209 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.960 the guy who wrote it, Michael McDonald, became a friend of mine. 210 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.559 If they had done that, he would have heard from him, you know, 211 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.399 saying, hey, they screwed up my script. They took it, 212 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.200 they made it and they have a bath. But I think he screwed it 213 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.720 up all on his own. I think that. Yeah. You know, 214 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.480 if they did get into a hotel room, they didn't get in there without 215 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.080 him because you just can't do that. You can't do that. That's not 216 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.240 how it works. And maybe they had a couple of ideas they wanted, 217 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.879 but they came from him. I guarantee it they if they got locked in 218 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.759 a hotel room for three days, there would be no script writing. Okay. 219 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.399 I think there would be nothing to do with the script would happen. 220 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.440 That's all I have to say. That's fascinating you say that, because I 221 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.840 don't know if you know this, but you know, Vince McMahon had his 222 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.039 troubles in the mid nineties. He was under indictment. No yes, no, 223 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.200 yes, I'm I'm sorry to inform you, okay, and so part 224 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.080 of it we've covered that trial extensively in the podcast, and part of it. 225 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.519 His assistant Emily Feinberg testifies that the first time Vince, who of course 226 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.720 admitted to using steroids himself in the early nineties, that it started on the 227 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.480 set of this film. She said, the first time, really, yes, 228 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.799 that she ever talked to Vince about trying this stuff was on the set 229 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.679 of a movie they were filming in Atlanta, So I think that's what I 230 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.200 think. What's going on, Kurt? I think this is historical and more 231 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.839 reasons than you realize. Yes, this is uh, this is a watershed 232 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:14.799 moment right here. I'm shocked, shot to take a line out of Cats 233 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.759 a Blankets, shocked to hear there was any steroid use going on on the 234 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:26.279 set of that movie. But I will say Vince is consist I don't know 235 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.400 if you remember Barry Bonds when he got a big neck and a big head 236 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:36.799 and big shoulders. Well, Vince, now is the after picture of Barry 237 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.759 Bonds, and the before picture was him. When I at the movie, 238 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:45.240 he didn't he wasn't in bad shape, but he was not he didn't get 239 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:45.839 out. I don't know. I don't know how he looks now, but 240 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:53.359 in the ensuing ten years he got significantly larger. Oh yeah, nah, 241 00:17:53.359 --> 00:18:12.920 absolutely helped fan wrestling podcast Jack Ente JP Sorrow Wrestling Podcast. So, Kurt, 242 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:17.319 what is it Jockass? Yes, I don't know what the hell is 243 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.039 it? Jockass? Did you make ass? Did you make Jack? No? 244 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.039 I make it up. Don't insult me. Okay, I don't know 245 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.160 how it's it's lasted. It's because but people still make me to have to 246 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:34.079 ask me to say that. You know, people still come to me up 247 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.119 to me about no Hold's barn all the time. It's kind of crazy. 248 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.599 I mean, I wouldn't pick myself out of a lineup now as Brell forty 249 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.079 years later, however long it's been. But people, I don't know. 250 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:51.920 But I just took jock ass, jackass athlete, an acthlete, who's a 251 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.640 jackass. He's a jockass. I mean, I don't who would that. 252 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.759 Maybe Polk and Vince came up with that. I believe that. I think 253 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:04.680 that Dukie. I wouldn't be surprised that in Dukey Dukie well again again some 254 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.440 stuff. You know, where does the brilliant stuff come from? You just 255 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.960 don't know. But Dukie. Uh, they had just a great moment, 256 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.400 came up with Dukie. I was also attempted to think Vince was behind it 257 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.960 when you looked at the wrestlers in the very beginning of the movie and said 258 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.000 they're all scum, Well it was I just say, what's written? You 259 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.559 think I made any of it? Oh? Of course, not no, 260 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:30.759 none of it, none of it. All I did was overact the whole 261 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.240 time. And I was losing my hair. I really was losing my hair 262 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.960 at the time, and I made sure it filled in my hair so you 263 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.039 could just see that I was losing my hair. That was all I would 264 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.720 cared about. You did a little pro wrestling, though, didn't you when 265 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.519 you backhanded Joan Severance and you couldn't actually hit her, but man, it 266 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.240 looked like you did know. And you know, Joan Severance was delightful. 267 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:53.440 Chief was delightful. And I did. I hit her, and I granted 268 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.440 to kill her. I think I'm surprised I didn't rape her. I thought 269 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.160 that was coming up. You had someone else that was I'm sure that was 270 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.960 a personal request from Joan that I not get nearer. So there is there 271 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.880 is a thread where you sort of right right JP, he sort of six 272 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.039 six bad guys on on her. Yeah. Yeah, there there's kind of 273 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:18.599 a like an Anita moment in West Side Story. Yes, elevate you know, 274 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:23.559 I noticed the website story parallel at the time very much. That's very 275 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.720 interesting. You would say that I thought we were going to break into song 276 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:32.680 at any minute. But you know, I thought the best performance in the 277 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:37.200 movie was Stan Hanson in the Bathroom. Oh really, yeah, yes, 278 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:45.799 I thought. I thought he was fantastic. Religion little I believe it was 279 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:49.680 tiny weener he was. I thought he was great. He could have gone 280 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.279 on to great things. I don't know why he didn't. Uh, there 281 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:57.039 was yeah, there was no no. They had one guy, some wrestler 282 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.920 they brought in from France. Okay, yeah, he was I don't know 283 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:07.119 his name because I just you know, but he was enormous, so enormous 284 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.640 that he couldn't get through the door of a trailer. Okay, so they 285 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.200 had to bring in a horse, a horse thing, a horse carrier. 286 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:21.519 Oh my god. And he sat in this horse carrier and it was fat, 287 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:25.119 with his legs hanging over the back of the horse carrier the whole day, 288 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.240 happy as a clan. I don't know where he went to the bathroom. 289 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:32.240 I don't want to know. I don't know he didn't. I mean, 290 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.039 he was in a horse. He was like, he was like a 291 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.720 horse. They didn't even they didn't even put in a chair in there. 292 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.559 He just had him in there. It was like being in the circus. 293 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.519 It was crazy, but he couldn't get through a door. This guy, 294 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.079 I don't know how he ever got into a building. I mean, it 295 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.440 wasn't enormous. I'm like any film shoot you probably have ever been on. 296 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.640 So so you have to take me to a moment, Kurt, that's iconic 297 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:56.920 to me. It's when you get shoved at the very end into all the 298 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.079 television equipment and sparks go up your ass and you make a one of a 299 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.359 kind face that I still call upon today when I'm trying to think of what 300 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:08.559 is the quintessential face one makes when being assaulted without notice? Uh? Tell, 301 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:11.680 tell, take me into the method there? I mean, how are 302 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.599 you certainly you know what is the pirate technics? Like? Did you have 303 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.559 a dig back into something really, you know, far back and deep? 304 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:25.519 Yes, yes, I kid, I did a recollection. I'm not going 305 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:30.559 to tell you what it was because it's uh, it's actually nature. But 306 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:36.559 when we were when they were setting it up, Okay, Now, tiny 307 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:41.559 lister Tom, who I loved and uh only the only problem I had with 308 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.400 him is he would just fall asleep at odd times. You just fall asleep, 309 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.920 and I'd have to you know, just before we were doin to shoot 310 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:51.559 you was sleeping. I had to hit him to wake him up. Uh. 311 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.759 But he was great. But he when they asked him to do stuff 312 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:02.400 like at the end when he falls into uh he dies and he falls into 313 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:07.559 the ring. Yeah, isn't that right? Yea yeah, end off the 314 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:08.960 balcony. Yeah yeah, the very end y'all of the balcony. Okay, 315 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.720 well, they wanted him to do it, and he said, I'm not 316 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:19.720 doing that for nothing. So I think they paid him three thousand extra for 317 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.160 for falling into the ring or he wouldn't do it. They actually actually shut 318 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:27.640 down and negotiating with him on the spot. All right, now that that 319 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.880 just doesn't happen. Okay, that just doesn't happen. So they're the guy, 320 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.440 the special effects guy is saying. I say, and I think he 321 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.519 was a wrestling special effects guy. He uh, I say, what's gonna 322 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.920 happen? Oh, you're gonna pull this and sparks are gonna go out and 323 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.559 h the sparks are gonna rain down on you. And I go, sparks, 324 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:56.119 What what kind of sparks? He goes, Oh, it's it's like 325 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.720 a it's like a cigarette burn. And I'd say a cigarette, Well that's 326 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:07.240 that's how they torture prisoners to get her cigarette. Barn Burn is a big 327 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.200 pig. If if if you put a cigarette to my arm and burn it, 328 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.319 I'm gonna cry like a baby. And he goes, oh, come 329 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:21.400 on, I mean they they I said, well, that's really a stunt. 330 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:23.799 That's really a stunt. And I thought, maybe I can get an 331 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.880 electure money for this. There you go. Okay, Because when I did 332 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.359 Ghostbusters too, there was a scene that didn't make it into the movie, 333 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:36.920 but they I was supposed to go. There was that pink slime. I 334 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:41.279 was supposed to get sucked into the city hall uh in slime. So I 335 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.640 they would take me with a rope and throw me into a green screen okay. 336 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.440 And it was that industrial light and magic that George Lucas was really when 337 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:55.279 you first opened it at the time. This was in the eighties as well. 338 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:59.799 They gave me one hundred and fifty dollars every time they swung the end 339 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:03.119 of the thing, and they did it about thirty times. Oh my goodness, 340 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.039 I couldn't do it enough. That was like a million dollars and you 341 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.359 raise money, so um, I was thinking I could get maybe a hundred 342 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.119 bucks or something, and they had no, We'll have your stunt guy do 343 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.880 it. And then I my pride somehow I had pride, and I had 344 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.079 no, no, I'll do it. So I went up there and I 345 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:27.559 didn't think, why am I caring? What? What is the what is 346 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:33.799 the logic in me tearing this whole room apart? Why am I doing it? 347 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:37.759 It makes no sense. I mean, you can shut it off by 348 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.640 pushing a button if you want to shut it off, you don't have to 349 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:48.160 tear the room apart. And how am I able to pull these? It's 350 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.880 your citizen cane moment? Though, it's your citizen cane moment. I yes, 351 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.319 but where did I get superhuman strike? None of it made any sense? 352 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:02.720 And then I did it, and I'm telling you it was like being 353 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.880 in a total torrential downpour of sparks, all right, Oh yeah, and 354 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.839 okay, they didn't hurt like cigarette burns, I have to say, but 355 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.680 they hurt. They hurt. I didn't know what they were doing. I 356 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.720 thought I was going to be permanently scarred all right, my face, as 357 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.079 they had burns all over it. And so at the end I think I'd 358 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.920 scream or I get elected. Hut and I go, oh, I hardly 359 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:33.240 remember, but I was in true panic there. True I didn't know what 360 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.039 was happening to me, and no one really explained that it was more sparks. 361 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.400 He said, a few, a few sparks. Yeah, it was 362 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:49.200 a trillion sparks as there are stars in the sky were coming down on me. 363 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.920 Uh. And that that is what I remember about that story. And 364 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.519 the only other story, and I've told it before, is when hal or 365 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.880 Terry as I call him, he bralled me to call him carry, which 366 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:11.440 is fine. He I bribe him with like fifty I know what's what looked 367 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.960 like a lot of money at the time, with some of the worst overacting 368 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.640 and mustache curling I've ever done or ever seen done by anybody, even in 369 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:26.000 silent movies. Okay, I you know, I try and bribe him to 370 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:30.000 come to my network, and then he shoves a check down my throat and 371 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:36.039 says, I won't be around when this check clears. You know, if 372 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:41.279 you understand what that joke was, which actually is one of the funnier jokes 373 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.720 in the movie, I thought so when he did it. You know, 374 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:51.599 in in film, you don't really shove a check down somebody's throat. Okay, 375 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.079 you just started, and then they cut away, all right, and 376 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.839 then they maybe come in and they do it a little bit. He shoved 377 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:06.519 the check down my throat, down into my throat to where I couldn't breathe 378 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:11.599 all right. His finger nails, his stialthy fingernails scratch the back of my 379 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:18.079 throat way down there, all right, and gave me an infection. Oh 380 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.720 my god. And then I coughed for like I don't know how long, 381 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.680 and he didn't do anything wrong. He went, he went, oh, 382 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.559 sorry, man, that's the way we do it in wrestling. I thought 383 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.079 I had to do it for real, And I was like, nobody talked 384 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.640 to you about this before you're going to shove a check down my goddamn throat. 385 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.799 Here's the language I mean. It was. It was a bad moment. 386 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:42.559 That was my only really bad moment. And that's through production off. 387 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.880 Didn't I've heard you tell the story. Wasn't there like a delay because you 388 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.599 had to get your voice back or something like that? Oh yeah, I 389 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.359 lost my voice completely. Wow. Yep. Well there's another thing in this 390 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.960 Lord of This movie where Hogan goes a little too far physically. I feel 391 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.240 like I think Zeus has done interviews over the year's Tiny the Light Tiny Lister 392 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:02.720 where he said that at one point actually smashes him in the nose inadvertently during 393 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.559 a fight scene. And yes, I remember you remember that? Yeah, 394 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.960 I do remember that. And I gotta tall you something. Uh. Tiny 395 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.279 Lister was you know, he was a weightlifter. He was big. Oh 396 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:19.559 yeah, but who Hooke was so much more athletic than Tiny, so much 397 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:26.920 faster. It was it was like they couldn't really go at it because he 398 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.279 could just throw Tiny out of the ring if he wanted to. Yeah, 399 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.480 it was pretty amazing. Uh and uh, yeah, I think it did 400 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.000 get You know, he was thinking Tiny was a wrestler, But Tiny's not 401 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.079 a not a wrestler. He was just a big, kind of lumbering guy. 402 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.920 Uh and a sweetheart, complete sweetheart. I was so sad when we 403 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.400 lost him. It was so and there was panic on the set or was 404 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.680 it a small deal? Huh it wasn't a big deal, got it not. 405 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.279 They don't panic broken nose, They don't care. They just move on, 406 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.799 they do. You know, these guys are getting cut and they have 407 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.960 stuff to do. Any closing words for Kurt well up against time here with 408 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.160 the legend talk about Masters of Puppets. First of all, for sure, 409 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.680 I did want to say quickly and I do want to hear all about the 410 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.920 play. Um. I've been a big fan of yours for decades. You 411 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.599 are just one of my favorite character actors. And I always get a joy 412 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.079 when you when you come on the screen, and nor when I see your 413 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.599 name in the credits that you're going to come on from like you know, 414 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.319 uh, your your I'm the pilot of news radio, for God's sake, 415 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.720 and then yeah, you know, and then and then Boston Legal. But 416 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.200 then also I wanted to tell you this. I don't know if you are 417 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.000 aware, but you actually have in your earlier career you have a um, 418 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:55.839 a significant run of movies with professional wrestlers in them. Did you know this? 419 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.799 Yes, Running Man, you get Man, you get you get Jesse, 420 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.119 the Body Ventura. Here, I'm just remember you from The Running Man. 421 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.839 God, you are a master. Thanks, you are a master. 422 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.319 Get that show on, take that show on the road. We try, 423 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.599 We've already kind of done it. Also. Professor Tanaka, a Japanese wrestler, 424 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.240 also in The Running Man. Oh that's right, right, Red heat 425 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:30.160 ww wrestler Tiger Chung Lee in that one. And then and then god, 426 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.319 damn it, thank god, I give my life on go on exactly. 427 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.599 And then you mentioned it already and it's one of my favorites. Two Ghostbusters 428 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.880 two. The guy who plays uh, who plays the villain there, I 429 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.880 can't think of his name, Vigo Wilhelm von Hamburg. Wilhelm von Hamburg is 430 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.720 a former professional wrestler. Let me tell you something about William von Hamburg, 431 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.599 please, Okay. He was not only a pressure a pressions, he was 432 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.799 a method actor. Okay. He would refuse to go to the bathroom, 433 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:07.039 uh, number one or number two and anything but a bucket. That's what 434 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:12.839 he thought of character. So that's what I heard, all right, and 435 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.720 I believe it to be true. He's would uh. He's got a very 436 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.200 interesting story if you ever, if you ever can find information on him, 437 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.039 it's very interesting. Ever, put into solitary confinement, I'll read it. 438 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.480 That's when you should read it. That's when you should read it. I 439 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.680 think we've set up a brell with plenty of things to do with solitary confinement. 440 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:31.680 Yeah, thank you, We do want you, We do want to 441 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.960 of course give a chance to talk about Master's puppets. It's um it's kind 442 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.480 of proximate to us here in New England, Brandford, Connecticut. It's the 443 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.720 Legacy Theater. For information, go to Legacy THEATERCT dot org. Again. 444 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.119 As I mentioned, it runs through June eleventh, and Kurt, I think 445 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.680 this speaks not only to you know that that first role for you as Brell, 446 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:55.839 but also wrestling fans. Um it does because uh it's it's set behind 447 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:02.680 the scenes of basically the w w E and uh my wife played by Amanda 448 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:09.680 Dettmer, who you will recognize for many things, and myself basically are based 449 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:17.119 on Vince and Linda the McMains as they we say, um. And it 450 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:23.160 was written by a gentleman who worked in the WWE for many years, wrote 451 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:30.119 for them. And it's really a play about you know, sex, money 452 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.480 and power, which is what they are about, sex, money and power. 453 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.480 And it's I have to say, it's very good. It's I just 454 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.480 saw it sold out tonight. I think it's got very good word of mouth 455 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:50.039 and sold out tomorrow night, but there are still tickets left the matinees especially, 456 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:57.240 And it's really funny, it's really smart and there's a lot of wrestling, 457 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.200 and there's a lot it's it's if you're a wrestling fan. I mean, 458 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.759 I know a few other people who are big wrestling people have said they 459 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.079 really recognized the whole world of wrestling, that we got it right. And 460 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.800 I wouldn't know. But the guy who wrote it, he's not only a 461 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.559 good writer, but he knows that world. And uh, it's funny, 462 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.760 it's dramatic, and it's exciting, and uh, I really can't. I 463 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.119 mean, I started as Brell, all right, I'm ending as my character 464 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:34.320 named Victor Cragston. But it's probably my last play. So I'm going to 465 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:40.000 start my acting career as Brell and end my stage career as basically Vince McMahan. 466 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.920 So I think it's coming full circle. It's perfect. How could I 467 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.760 go on? Number One, It's too goddamn much work to do a play. 468 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:53.599 Okay, it's really hard, and I didn't realize, you like a 469 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.639 couple hours for a few hours, you gotta go out there to mote for 470 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.280 people that, oh my god, him, you gotta learn all these lives, 471 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.400 Oh my god, horrible. Uh, But I am enjoying it, 472 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.519 and I don't you know, I'm basically in it for the money. Now, 473 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.920 I've had my story years, so I won't be doing each other place 474 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.159 in it for the money. Some of the business didn't. If you're in 475 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.599 it for the money, don't do theater everybody, right, That's that's true. 476 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.599 But I'm having a great, a great time and I do highly recommend 477 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.760 it. That sounds come down, I'm gonna circle. Nature of it is. 478 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.800 Yeah, I love that. I'm gonna get some tickets. I'm gonna 479 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.960 come down to you it before I closes. Yeah, I'm in a lot 480 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.679 of people who are in the wrestling world have seen it and they all come 481 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.400 back and want to talk talk about it, and that they're all energized by 482 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.519 it. So I think it's a good idea. That's great. We'll we 483 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.960 look forward to. If I hated it, I wouldn't be doing publicity, 484 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.159 trust me, of course. Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing is you 485 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.599 are. Yeah, you're stepping into it. You know. When I think 486 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.079 when we well we talk about movies like No Holds Barred or movies where you 487 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.480 know, actual actors have you know, interfaced with the world of wrestling. 488 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.840 We always wonder it, right, I mean I've seen you say I wish 489 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.280 it wasn't on my IMDb and now here you're stepping right into it. I 490 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.880 certainly do. But this this I'm I hope gets on my IMDBB even though 491 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.480 it's not a movie. Okay, it is internet because there's no Internet play 492 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.079 database, so I'll find get it on. It's true again, it's Masters 493 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:28.199 of Puppets. Legacy Theater one twenty eighth Thimble Islands Road in Branford, Connecticut 494 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.119 through June eleventh. Again Legacy THEATERCT dot org for information on tickets. You 495 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.960 have our permission, LAPS fan listeners. Kurt Fuller has done the right thing. 496 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.599 He's joined us in practice up and helped color in the no holds barred 497 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.400 situation. So we can't thank you enough, Kurt for this contribution here to 498 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.039 the lore of this movie and into wrestling. I hope you really enjoyed the 499 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.079 rest of the production. Thanks and thank you for starting my day right. 500 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:58.360 That's what we do here and you do been great. Void things appreciate Thank 501 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:07.000 you job. 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