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Hey, it's Tuesday, July the
fifth, twenty sixteen. You're listening to

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the Giant bomb cast. Our nation
is now two hundred and forty years old.

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Yeah, happy birthday. Yay America
America. Yeah, to celebrate.

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Drew and Jason have gotten the hell
out of here. That's right, they've

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escaped. I don't know where they
went. We don't. We don't know

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where they go. Drew's probably outside
of America, America, drews. Drew's

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on a secret op. Yeah,
Jason sticks around. Jason's in Florida,

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which I'm not sure if that qualifies. Part of it is either part of

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America, like not part of America
or the most America. I know it's

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not the most. No, no, no, I mean, what are

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your criteria? Boy, that's a
question. Tell me what defines Americanness to

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you. I'm gonna regrets Florida,
that's all right, Will Smith? What's

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America? I was in Jersey over
over the weekend. I thought Jersey was

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pretty America. Okay, all right, that makes sense, honest genuine people,

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which everyone always shits on Jersey all
the time. I've sent thirty years

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hearing that. Like the wrestling bad
guys saying, oh, if this was,

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if America was, but this is
where he'd stick to Anima or whatever.

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H No, I feel like,
wow, that's wow, that's where

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you. They said that about every
stop on the tour though. That's not

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just Columbus, Ohio. It was
also the Nima place. No, you

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just people shoot on Jersey all the
time. It was great a thing.

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It's it's the classic. Okay,
I heard there's bad parts. I heard

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Camden is bad, but where it's
been Vinny's in Newark, Vinney seems a

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like here, right, I mean
I don't know anything. Yeah, yeah,

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it reminded me weirdly of Kansas.
It was like quaint, suburban,

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just nice people saying hi to each
other on the streets. Can't pump your

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own gas? Really that was weird. Yeah, you cannot pump gas in

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Jersey. Yeah, I like that. We didn't actually do that, but

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but I heard that, like it's
a weird law. Yep. I don't

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understand that at all. I don't. I don't either. Somebody yelled at

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me for pumping my gas in Oregan
one time, Like a guy came running

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out of the gas station as if
his pants were on fire. Yeah,

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I tried pumping gas in Jersey,
and yes, the guy was not thrilled

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about it. That might be a
nice law, though, because my sister

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and I'm sure other people have done
this, just broke their car by filling

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it with diesel fuel. Wow it
doesn't fit though, doesn't And no it

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doesn't. They purposely make the hole
so you can't put diesel fuel in there.

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So I think she just squirted the
diesel fuel into the hole and ruined

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A big part of Love finds a
Way. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,

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New Jersey could help that, all
right, Will Smith? Yes,

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sir, as a man who once
saved America many times from an invading minute.

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Welcome to Earth. Yes, how
was your fourth child? I grilled

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meat over fire. Okay, that's
something that you should do. I had

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some safe, insane fireworks, so
check when when the people that drive to

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Rena. I don't even know where
you go to get illegal fireworks in twenty

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sixteen in California, reallyan Francisco,
really just go like you just is there

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some store that you go in the
Chinatown. There's a store that's a truck.

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It's like a food truck, but
for fireworks. Really, and they've

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been operating it for decades. Like, yeah, you can get that stuff

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here. I mean yeah, okay, you can get anything here. It's

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a big city. Okay, what
what is what is the state of fireworks

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legality in California? Like, can
you county the county stuff a real city

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by city? Yeah, yeah,
merin county it is all illegal. They

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will still have like city run fireworks
shows and stuff, but the county it's

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a dry county. Uh. In
Sonoma County where I'm at, you can

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buy fireworks, but they're the shitty
California fireworks, which is what I'm It's

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it's you know, ground flowers and
fountains of fire. Nothing that fire fires

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into the sky, nothing that lows
up, no black powder. Yeah,

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except for in the snappers. So
you're throwing it at each other there.

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Yeah, that's a good time.
Pacific where I live, home of the

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world's greatest taco bell. I was
just there a week or two ago.

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Interesting, it was great. It's
it's a nice taco bell. Yeah.

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They basically it's it's like Baghdad in
nineteen ninety one. Remember when you saw

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those videos on CNN. I'm all
the lights going up. Yeah, it's

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basically like that it's got heavy an
hour before it gets dark until two o'clock

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in the morning. One o'clock in
the morning. Did the statue get pulled

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down at any point, then,
okay, that's the next year. It

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was like I had Gary brought his
daughter over and we kept them up three

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or four hours after bedtime, and
at one point they were both chasing each

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other around the backyard screaming, I
love fireworks, I love fireworks. I

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love fireworks more fireworks. So that
was my night. People down on the

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beach with that stuff, like you
guys are pretty close to the water.

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The people mostly just go out in
the street because the role in Pacifica is

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if the cop doesn't see you light
the fuse, then they can't ticket you.

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So they have all these signs that
say thousand dollars fine for legal fireworks,

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but nobody ever gets fine because you
know, one guy stands at the

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end of the street and says cop
and then they stop lighting fuses and and

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you know, sit there with their
fake say anyway, I've never felt more

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inadequate as a father when there's when
there's fireworks that are going up in the

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sky and like filling half the sky. Yeah, it's sparkles that make more

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sparkles, that make more sparkles,
and we have like a couple of sparklers

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in our hands. Like, look, these are really cool kids, Like

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daddy, that firework better than yours. You got a storm slow. Yeah.

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Someone blew their leg off in Central
Park this weekend trying to make their

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own fireworks, like jumped off a
rock and blew up this thing. Like

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he lit this thing and tried to
like jump off a rock and blew his

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own leg off. You see.
You see a lot of thumbs every year.

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But man, leg leg iso,
that's you have to that's some serious

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ordinance of that. Yeah, what
are you doing? That's balls? He

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sent for park is surrounded by a
lot of places filled out the woods really

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yeah yeah, yeah, well you
know it's fourth of July. You just

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gotta do what you gotta do.
Now. I had a friend who liked

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to make his own fireworks, which
is a fun way to say, make

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pipe bombs. Wow, And those
were always cool, I don't know,

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like super fucked up, but you
know, he dropped in the sewer and

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hope for the best. We would
just do the thing where we would buy

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like two hundred dollars worth of fireworks, put it in a cardboard box,

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just drive out to some farm.
I mean, wasn't harden cans. It

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is just going ten minutes in any
direction. And then we'd doused it in

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like lighter fluid or gasoline, and
then we would all farm Roman candles at

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it. No, no, just
the box of fireworks. Yeah yeah.

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And then so it would be like, you know, one, hundreds and

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hundreds of bottle rocks and Roman candles
playing in every different direction. And then

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we would get really far away and
shoot Roman candles at the box, and

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once one of the little things hit
it, it would look like a mushroom

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cloud, like twenty feet tall.
Yeah, it's amazingly bad idea. Oh

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yeah. And then once it dives
down a little bit, y'all dare each

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other to go jump over it.
That's always fun. You're perfect. Yeah,

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this is how the door Win Awards
got started. The Door Win Awards.

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Oh right, right, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Now. My

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dad used to be big on getting
the fireworks you're not supposed to get in

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California, and we would launch them
off. So I at an early age

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I got way into them. And
then at some point I think he realized

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that he was going to burn down
the neighborhood if if this like kept escalating,

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and he kind of backed off of
it, and I was like,

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no, fuck that we got no
what do we know? What when are

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we gonna get the good fireworks brought
block Pride? Yeah exactly. And yeah,

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So we ended up moving to a
court, which was nice because we

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lived pretty close to the police station
before, which maybe in retrospect between you

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know, like we were landing things
on people's roofs and ship and it's like,

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yeah, a couple times he'd be
like, we need go inside now.

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I'm like, all right, run
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back out. All right, Okay, let's go in the front room in

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the street or in the back street. Yeah, okay, yeah, and

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yeah, I don't know. The
last year we did anything crazy in the

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street, it was take one of
the fountains that they sell for real and

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just pack it full of actual gunpowder, and that just I feel like I've

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told the story before, but it
just led to like a twenty foot flame

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in the middle of the street for
about ten seconds, and it sounded like

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a jetts like a jet that sounds
all right, and it was awesome.

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It was like he we ran a
separate fuse from like it tied it to

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the real fuse and ran it around
to the bottom of the thing where we

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had packed all this stuff in and
it was great. It was it was

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it lit up. It was like
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So I was like, oh,
this is great. I'd get a

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tan and then it was just fucking, utter, abject darkness and we went

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inside and that was it for us
with fireworks, because at that point there

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was, you know, there was
nothing else to be done. And I

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was old enough to go out and
get into my own own trouble at that

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point, so I did. H
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but out here, like where Brad
and I grew up, they have muzzle

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loading like black powder hunting season,
right, So there's a period of time

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everywhere eyear where you go out and
you literally you go to hunt deer with

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guns. You pour black powder into
the back and put the shot or whatever

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and jam a stick down there,
and like you can just go to the

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gun shop and buy a black powder
or whenever you want it. So we

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used to you, is it to
like blow up stumps, you'd go drill

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a hole and then you know,
put the put the black power in the

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fuse and put some like epoxy or
something in there to hold alder. You

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need the pressure to make it blow
up. Yeah, and light the fuse

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and then run like hell and hope
that the wood trappinell didn't kill anybody.

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And so a few years ago,
for something we were doing on tested,

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we needed black powder. So I
just went to the gun shop down around

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the corner from my house, as
one does, and walked in. And

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you know it's the normal. You've
been to a gun shop before, Yes,

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I have seen, right, there's
a certain there's a certain a certain

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look. Yeah, for the and
like I do not fit lumber stickers,

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but not on cars, but in
the windows type of place. And GTA,

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is that what gun traps look like? Are those accurate? It's not

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two? I mean that is camo? Yeah, okay you could yeah,

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sure. Have you ever been in
a kmart that's not a kmart anymore?

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Like gout shut down, but the
shelves are still in there. Yes,

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it usually looks like that, but
with guns on the wall instead of nothing.

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Okay? Yeah, And and there's
guys in there. There's a lot

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of people wearing camo, and then
there's also some guy that's wearing tack clothes,

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but it's the top usually. Yeah, it's just like this man is

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dressed in all black, but it's
clearly not a police officer. Yeah.

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So I walked in with my stupid
internet T shirt and pair of like skinny

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jeans, and the guy's buying the
counter immediately made me as like, you

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know, not the short place sized
you up. And I walked back to

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the counter and I was like,
hey, can we help you with something.

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I was like, yeah, I
just need to get some some black

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powder, and just the silence the
whole place. The ship stopped in the

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whole gun store and everybody kind of
turns around and looks and they're like,

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we don't sell black powder here,
son, And I said, well really.

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They're like no, it's so you
can't just buy black powder in California.

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It's you gotta go blah blah blah, you have permits and all that.

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And I was like, oh shit, I just you know, and

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I told I like went through the
whole thing. I was like, I'm

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from Tennessee. He's just go with
the gun store get at Walmart whatever,

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and and well we got some pamphlets
if you want to help us here in

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California, calling the special number on
the other line, like the yeah,

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this guy's about to go crazy and
blow up as school or whatever. So

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I went. I ended up having
to go to the special place and getting

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the black powder there. Nevada.
No, that's in Burlin game. Okay,

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all right, yeah, okay,
yeah, so yeah, you can't

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get black powder here. Really it's
hard. Ye who knew? Who would

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you just like provide id and all
that sort of stuff. Yeah, a

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letter and like go talk to the
ship. It ended up being such a

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pain in the ass that I just
we just didn't do it. Yeah.

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Yeah. Do you think anyone around
here attached fireworks or Roman candles or anything

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to drones and flew them up in
the air and like steered him around and

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shot him. I've seen the Roman
candle on a drone before, So that's

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a real dumb idea. That's not
all right. Fire fire and lithium ion

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batteries is not a go. It
depends how much you care about the drone

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or raining down toxic smoke and ship
that burns when it comes gets water this

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doesn't this also doesn't sound bad enough. Yeah, no, I feel like

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maybe this was the first year,
maybe last year, but this was I

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feel like I saw a whole lot
of people shooting fireworks with drones, like

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using like flying drones around fireworks shows, Like maybe just the proliferation of these

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things shooting them. I've never quite
understood the people that are taking video of

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an entire fireworks show, Like when, at what point in your life are

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you actually gonna watch that? Again, it's technic like a picture or two

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of the fireworks exploding, but like
the entire duration of it as a video.

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Yeah, same people like a concerts, like you know you're in the

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first row filming Bruce Springsteen or something
like why are just watch the show that

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you paid one hundred dollars to see? Kind of a secret old man,

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aren't you? Well, I mean
I think there's a point here, right,

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Yeah, yeah, that's a picture
or two to commemorate the thing,

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but like if you've got your phone
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am a secret old man, yeah
yeah, but yeah, when are you

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gonna watch that? It's gonna be
there will be a professionally shot footage if

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you want to watch a fireworks show, maybe even that fireworks show, there's

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probably a better way to watch it. Yeah, like people are wrestling events,

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like, okay, there are pro
level cameras filming this exact thing from

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great angles. If you ever want
to watch it again, don't film from

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your stupid seats in section one seed. If people weren't doing that, then

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that time that Titus O'Neil grab Vince
McMahon would have been lost to time.

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No, that was on the actual
prodcast, but they could they faded if

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you want to watch if there's like
a larger, better shot of live on

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the network was ok yeah, yeah
there was, there was that, but

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also but I feel like there was
also cell phone camera of that too.

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While we're being grabby old man.
I was flipping channels last night and ended

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up on a fourth of July concert
and the girl on stage was getting everybody

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in the audience to show their support
by turning on the flash lights on their

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iPhone and holding them. Yeah that's
why. Yeah, that's that's bummed out.

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For years, it's been yeah,
turn on your phone screen or the

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light on it was it was specifically
it was the lights this time, and

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the screen. Did that at the
skinnered concert, you'd probably get your asskicks

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lights. I was not. I
was just looking at this. I was

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like, nobody in that audience has
a lighter on them. This is if

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if it's an outdoor skinnered concert,
then I bet you get a mix.

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But an indoor they're gonna be like, no one's gonna plut aucking lighter and

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light. It degenerates. Okay,
maybe somebody see I've walked through this.

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Yeah, yeah, did you get
up to anything on the fourth? No?

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Nothing, Now it just wasn't I
don't know's it's if I'm not gonna

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like go actually destroy things, I
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Like the safe and sane fireworks that's
for when you have kids. It's sad,

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you know. So at some points
are sad. Yeah, no,

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they're just three, they're boring.
Yeah, all rights, cool, there's

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no there's no danger, there's no
fun totally. Yeah. And I'm even

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where I'm like, I'm not really
into the danger that much. So,

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And you know, I think most
of my hoodlum friends have gotten to a

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point where they're in a similar situation
where they're just like, yeah, you

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know, yeah, I could go
break all these laws and get all these

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fireworks and do all this stuff.
But at some point enough people around me

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are doing it that if I want
to look up at the sky and see

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it, I can. It's not
you know, I don't know any outside

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stuff this weekend, get up to
anything. Yeah, yeah, I went

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around. I went on a hike, did some stuff, went around.

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It's Marine County business. Uh,
hung out, generally kept it quiet.

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Okay, any inside a business.
I don't talk about that on this podcast.

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Okay, all right, it's highly
personal. That's fair, really fucked

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up. Even ask I beat that
game, Brad, Yeah, me too.

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You played it? I played beat
it this morning. Oh wow,

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oh man, you're fresh. Yeah. We probably shouldn't say anything about Vague.

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I thought I thought it was gonna
be out on Steam today, but

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I guess it's Thursday, what I
thought it. Yeah, So, so

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anybody waiting on PC still hasn't had
a chance to play it yet, So

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I guess we still need to be
vague. But how are you feeling about

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it? I the thing that they
do with the way they teach you to

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play the game is amazing. So
they teach you like they present you with

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this puzzle, You solve the puzzle, and then they go to the next

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puzzle and you have to kind of
break down, like the thing that you

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tried that you did to solve the
last puzzle doesn't work on this one.

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But it's like one access off.
You have to look at the whole state

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of the room that you're in,
everything that's accessible to you, and you're

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like, oh, why is this
why why is there a ramp over here?

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Oh? Right, okay, so
you use you have to use this

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ramp. And they do a really
good job of kind of teaching you experientially

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without ever really showing you how to
play. That's that's a good point because

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they were there were like three or
four major puzzles in that game where I

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got to it and looked at like, you know, you you assess the

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situation and you're like, Okay,
what are the like the points of interaction

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here that I can fiddle with?
And there kind of aren't any, and

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I'm like, well, what the
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And then you realize that the solutions
are like often very minimal. Well they're

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much more minimalist than it's it's not
a lot of like different duhikis that you

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got to pull around and stuff.
It's like there are some elements of the

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Witness that do that sort of thing
as well as it's kind of showing you

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stuff. Is it? Is it
like that or so the Witness actually shows

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you though, So the Witness has
those teaching puzzles on the sequence, right,

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and this does it, This does
it. This is kind of the

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inverse of that, right, So
this it just puts you in a situation,

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lets you figure out how to get
out of it, and that teaches

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you got to play it. But
whereas the Witness ran each one of those

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things into the ground as it went
further and further on, right, this

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one you really only do each one. Like It's an incredible amount of work

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to do to build this game the
way they did, I think, because

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each each like encounter is its own
kind of one off thing. Yeah,

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they're they're super elegant and well designed. But what I mean is like there

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are a lot of these puzzles where
it's not like, oh, I need

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to pull this box or throw a
lever or something. It's like I can

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subtly kind of manipulate the physics of
the game to make something happen in a

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way that I didn't think I could. Yeah, I felt like overall though,

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it was easier than Limbo, Like
I didn't think I think I could.

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I could see that. Yeah,
I didn't get really stuck at any

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point. I don't remember Limbo having
these like total mind bidding, Like the

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Witness had puzzles that I would stare
out for like thirty minutes. Sure,

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what the hell do I do here? Sure, but I think the Limbo

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Limbo had a little harder one than
Inside did. Yeah I would, I

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don't. I don't feel like you
ever got stuck for more than like three

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to five minutes and you just kind
of look at something long enough and you're

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like, oh, okay, yeah
they're still super clever puzzles. Yeah,

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a lot. Very this has more. This is less about trial air,

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and there was very much like you
get stabbed out of nowhere, whole bunch

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of just gotchas in that game.
Yeah, that ended up pushing me away

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from me. So I'm glad.
I'm glad to hear this. This moving

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away, This is this is a
lot more thoughtful. For sure. I'm

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gonna I'm I'm gonna give that a
look when it hits p Yeah, I

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want to see that PIEC version two
that. Yeah, but that's gonna look

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really nice on a big monitor.
I had played about half of it when

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we did the last mombcast, and
that was for a while. I was

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kind of like, this just feels
like a kind of prettier Limbo, and

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then near the end it's just like, Okay, this is this is better

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like this. You had some moments
that that surprised me in a way that

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Limbo never did. How long has
it been since you finished it? Will?

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I literally like how many hours?
We talk like three hours ago to

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come here? Huh? So I
finished it maybe nine o'clock yeah, and

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nine forty maybe okay, yeah,
and it's eleven thir two hours ago exactly

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probably. Yeah. I mean everybody
talks about the last x number of minutes

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of that game. It has like
a Half Life two turn. Yeah.

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Yeah, but I think even before
that, there's no no, no,

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no, maybe I'm maybe I'm not
go oh no, I'm still like the

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super gravity gun. What. I
don't know. Half Life two didn't really

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do it for me, not neither
to have like one. But but you're

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right, I was thinking I have
Live one. Yeah, there's no zen.

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I am super curious to hear what
you think of. Yeah, the

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way this game plays out, even
even before go ahead, I want to

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see it. Oh yeah, yeah, even even before that crazy stuff late

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late in the game. Like I
think there's a good slow build of just

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weird things happening inexplicably even before that
stuff. So there's real tension like it,

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Like there's bits, there's bits early
on. I think you guys talked

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about it last week but I can't
remember, but like it does have that

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thing that Limbo had where the protagonist
gets killed and really gruesome horrible ways that

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are kind of affecting when it happens
over and over again. It's it's really

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there's some explicit stuff in in the
deaf animation, but the dogs and stuff

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like that. Yeah, and then
there's there's that water monster thing. Yes

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that is just a absolute fucker.
Yeah, I think one of the more

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violent ones that like that pulse,
Yes, yeah, I think I think

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getting to that area and again algies
for anybody goes and played this game yet,

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but getting to that area was the
moment that that game really took off

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for me, where I was just
like the scale and the like just the

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spectacle of what was happening in that
environment. There's a part where you get

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to where there's like there's some unseen
machinery like pulsing or thumping. Should shouldn't

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okay anymore? Fine? Fine,
it's just yeah, it's not like a

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spoiler. It's like you have to
see it to really get the effects.

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Just like the the number of different
ways that they added detail to this machinery

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operating that make it like affect everything
around you is just like seconds and none

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cool, and more so than with
Limbo. There were times that I just

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wanted to to like see how the
deaths happened, Like you just want to

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try, try and fail, just
to see what, Like is this door

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did they build an animation for this
door coming that? Oh? Yeah?

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Is that snappy about getting you back
in? Yeah, it's it's like three

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to five seconds after you're dead,
you'll and you always respond in the exact

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same room that you were in.
Cool. Yeah, there's there were only

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like two places where the checkpoints were
kind of jankie, and they had to

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be because of the way the puzzles
were back. Okay, yeah, so

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makes sense. Yeah, but it's
it feels really really deliberate and the really

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awesome like it's it's much more so
than Limbo. I think I haven't played

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Limbo since a game like you can. You're gonna absolutely see how it took

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him that long to make. There's
a four hour game. It's a lot

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of game. Yeah, all right, next week we'll actually talk about it

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for real once everybody else has played
it. Yeah, uh damn yeah.

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Do you play anything else while you
were on? So my girlfriend's brothers have

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a lot of Jaguar and three D
O and like, they have a lot

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of old, weird games, and
it's kind of rare for me to see

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an old game that I had never
even heard of or played. And that's

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pretty much all I played this weekend. So I played Ultra Vortex yep.

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I played some Fight for Life,
though I played Escape from Monster manor Killing

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Time and Unreal Tournament for Dreamcast.
All right, yeah, but I had

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never even heard like they had all
these old Mortal Kombat knockoff from like ninety

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four. We've played some Way of
the Warrior and stuff like that, which

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i'd heard it. I know that
one. But Killing Time not Killing Time.

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I Fight for Life text. So
I'm trying to Ultravortex was that was

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more explicitly Mortal Kombat like, and
it was Fight for Life polygonal like More

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Fight. I think I think Fight
for Life was straight up like taking on

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Virtual Fighter at the time. Okay, yes, I remember being invited to

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an event to go see Fight for
Life, uh, and not going,

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oh yeah, yeah, it's it's
real bad. Ultra Vortex is too Ultra

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Vortex at the time, Like there
were people on that game that I think

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that Ryan McDonald knew a guy who
was working on it or something, or

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I forget what it was, but
I remember hearing a lot about that game

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when it has been in development,
is being like, oh no, it's

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gonna be it's gonna be super Legit
isn't all of a sudden like did that

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game use actors, Like were they
going that hard on the more Got that

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angle? Yeah, yeah, but
it's all digitized stuff. And I think

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even like the fatality animation is the
same, just kind of like woozy standing

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there waiting for an input thing.
Wow, it's a yeah. I've not

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played that game in a very long
time, but it's I remember it being

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pretty rotten. Remember both those games
being pretty rotten. The characters like Screen

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and Ultra Vortex is pretty cool though. It's a big demon looking back and

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forth and it's handro and the players
going their hands like cold knacks like Golden

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Yeah yeah, kind of like that. Yeah uh and played some Alien versus

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Predator. I'd never played that.
Always heard about it. Jars, Yeah

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that that. Yeah, that game
is like always held up as like the

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Jaguar game, and I've never been
a fan, doesn't at an age that

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well, like during the it's kind
of weird and you know, it's I

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just thought then. I think that
was another one of those cases where if

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you were playing shooters on a PC
and came to that game, you were

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like, Okay, I guess it's
like there are things about it that are

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like more complicated than a lot of
other shooters and that's neat. But man,

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yeah, I just thought that game, Golden I was good if you

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played PC shooters, Like yeah,
I mean it wasn't It wasn't quite good,

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but it was like the web stuffing
they did with the weapons and the

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fact that you could catch it,
and it was it was different. They

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were they were building their own thing. It was they were taking advantage of

408
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:48.519
the controller in a way that you
know, Tarrock didn't. Yeah, and

409
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.160
that was that was neat. But
but at the same time, yeah,

410
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:52.960
I don't know, like just the
speed of it and all that, I

411
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:57.119
still wanted you play real shooters on
a PC. Were any of those Alien

412
00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.480
Versus Predator games ever good? People
really like like the ones of the game

413
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.359
years later the Yeah, it wasn't
lift Tech, but I didn't Monolithic one.

414
00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:08.079
I feel like, I feel like
there have been eight different games that

415
00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:11.559
just have the title Alien Versus Predator, right, And I can't straight Yes,

416
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.720
those games were super well liked when
they were on PC h but I

417
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.240
think it was the same deal where
I just came down like I if maybe

418
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:23.200
if you really like Aliens and or
Predators, you're willing to kind of overlook

419
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:26.359
some stuff. But I just I
don't know. The one everybody seems to

420
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.599
remember is it came out around like
two thousand nish two thousand something like that,

421
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.759
the Sega made one and like oh
nine somewhere around there that was not

422
00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.359
good and wasn't good played. Yeah
that was yeah, Yeah, that was

423
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.000
a different kind of a different thing
when they were kind of three different games

424
00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.160
like the one I think I played
the Lift Tech one, which was three.

425
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.559
It was three because it was a
marine side there was a you could

426
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.319
beat the alien and like climb on
the wall. Also, okay, yeah,

427
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.480
it's a lot of like opening a
door as a marine and there's an

428
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.319
alien. I'm gonna walk straight backwards
and shoot my shotgun for a while,

429
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.119
and then to walk forward I have
to take damage because it left a pool

430
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:00.519
of acid on the ground. So
if you killed in a doorway and then

431
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.640
to strap ie, you can either
hold in se and move left or right,

432
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.519
or the dumb like number pad on
the bottom. Yeah, what would

433
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.160
you think of that control? It
was. I never actually held one,

434
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:11.640
you know, I never had a
Jaguar, and it always looked like this

435
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.880
big, heavy, expensive piece of
machinery and then you hold it and it

436
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.759
feels so light and cheap. But
yeah, her brother was telling me about

437
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.920
like the inserts or whatever the cards
you would put over. It was like

438
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.640
it was like the in television invision, right, like game specific stuff and

439
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.720
man which you needed because otherwise it's
just this number pad and you're like,

440
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.079
I hit four to straight left,
like yeah, mini map on, I

441
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.440
had hit eight or whatever. Yeah, I always thought that on an emulator.

442
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.519
Oh right, those games, the
ones that took advantage of the pad.

443
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.920
Anyway, they have the CD.
The CD, Yeah, it has

444
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.119
a CD on like take a c
looks like it did it look like a

445
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.720
toilet bowl was attached to the top
of the I don't think so. I

446
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.839
think all of our stuff was on
carts. They all looked like Sonic and

447
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.279
Knuckles carts. Okay, yeah,
yeah, uh yeah. The CD system,

448
00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:02.119
like the the latch would get loose. So I know multiple people that

449
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.319
had just like butter knives permanently jammed
into their CDs to keep it latched shut.

450
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.720
I'm amazed. You knew multiple people
that have a Jaguar CD. Yeah.

451
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.359
Period. I ran in past circles, you know. I knew one

452
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.480
guy that had like all the weird
consoles like the Neo Geo and the Yeah,

453
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.440
like, I don't own a Jaguar
CD. But I also had no

454
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.319
idea about it. Was it the
three do that had one controller port and

455
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.920
you hung it out? Yeah,
so dumb fucking idea. And we did

456
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.920
that. We played a return Fire, which was this Yeah, like it

457
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.279
was actually pretty fun. It's a
great game. And uh, I guess

458
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.960
if you plug in headphones to the
headphone jack. As you're listening, like

459
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.839
we're playing against each other and I'm
ahead, I'll be hearing like victorious,

460
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.000
like Flight of Valkyriest music, and
you'll be hearing like Doom and Gloom music

461
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:45.519
or whatever. That's that's cool.
I didn't realize they were that they did

462
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.759
that. That's that's neat. Yeah, that games actually pretty fun. Yeah,

463
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.599
return Fire is awesome. That's that's
such a fucking fatst. What is

464
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:55.519
it? You can It's basically imagine
like a Command of conqueror type view,

465
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:56.480
like you know, top down,
you've got a base, but you're not

466
00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.599
like it's not an RTS by any
means you can play. I mean you're

467
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.960
not building anything. Yeah, you've
got Each team has a flag basically,

468
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.480
and you can be a jeep,
which the jeep is the only vehicle that

469
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.720
can transport the flag. The helicopter
is the fastest one that can like fly

470
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.200
over water and like kind of scout
out and find out where the other guy's

471
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.359
flag is. The tank is what
you want to use once you know where

472
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.799
it is, and you just blow
up all the defenses around it. And

473
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.799
then there's like this weird APC thing
that I never really used. Yeah,

474
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.319
but yeah, yeah, So basically
it's finding the other person's flag, getting

475
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.319
there, just throwing the defenses,
driving the jeep there, and just hauling

476
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.200
ass back to your It's the split
screen where their creeps. No, there

477
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.440
are the defenses around the base towers
need to kind of handle. But but

478
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.319
yeah, yes, okay, in
a manner of speaking, some of the

479
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:47.640
maps would have a jungle, a
pudge maybe the APC. Maybe the APC

480
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:52.400
is pudge. I don't know.
The only thing APC does this black hole.

481
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.480
I don't know. Okay, Uh, return Fire is a hell of

482
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.119
a game. It's really cool.
I heard there's a PlayStation version too.

483
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.839
Is it pretty much? I think
so? It might have more maps,

484
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.839
I forget. It seems like one
of those things that could have used the

485
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.039
link cable, like one of the
few PS one games that yeah, or

486
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.920
like Clan of Conquer used that it
was the Metal might have Doom, yeah

487
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.759
do it? Yeah, wipe Out
XEL obviously. Yeah. Yeah, it

488
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.000
was just really cool to get this
like huge assortment of games I had never

489
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.240
heard of or played before, since
I never had those systems. Yeah,

490
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.559
I had all the like the big
systems that Anys and the Superintendent and all

491
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.920
that stuff, but never these like
weird expensive side ones and yeah, it's

492
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.960
the whole wall of this stuff.
Yeah, that stuff's nonsense. It's a

493
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.400
lot of these games are forgotten for
a reason. That's that stuff was hard

494
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.960
to find when you were a kid, Like I don't remember what the Jaguar

495
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:37.720
cost when it came out, but
the three D two fifty I remember it

496
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.599
was not that much. It was
not it was not three D expose because

497
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.079
the first three DIO, the first
the Panasonic, I forget what the model

498
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.160
number was, but the first version
was seven hundred dollars. Yeah, and

499
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.200
that was in early nineties money,
right, Like it was hard to find

500
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.680
somebody that had a three do I
like that one. The Neo Geo were

501
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:57.200
basically and the CDI also was was
similarly pricey, though the CDI was barely

502
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.880
a games machine. I remember in
the old like game in magazines you would

503
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.359
see the like the cost to import
or just buy these games from whatever companies

504
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.319
there were, and like the Supernintendo
games like it would be the standard fifty

505
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.559
sixty, SBM would be eighty maybe, and then Neo Geo games, individual

506
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.559
games would be like six hundred dollars. Yeah. I was constantly thinking like,

507
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.039
is this some weird thing where they're
not putting the end symbol or is

508
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.839
this some weird currency, Like there's
no way a six hundred dollars for this

509
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:23.640
copy of Samurai Showdown. Yeah,
they weren't. They weren't six They were

510
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:29.640
more games a ton of money.
Yeah, you console you would get,

511
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.559
Yeah, you would get a console
and the Neo Geo Gold, which was

512
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.839
like the console controller and Magician Lord, I want to say that was like

513
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.480
a six hundred or seven hundred.
Yeah, it's just the games. The

514
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.480
ROMs were so big. They're pretty
arcade perfect. It was literally, I

515
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.000
mean you can you can install a
custom bious into a Neo Geo now that

516
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.799
will let you flip between home and
console because they're all on the same and

517
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.559
it's just a mechanical adapter. Or
cartridges. The cartridges are different the cards

518
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.759
because they don't want they didn't want
operators buying the keep three hundred dollars cartridges

519
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.160
for their arcades. They wanted them
buying the eight hundred dollars or a thousand

520
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.079
dollars cartridges for MVSS. Yeah,
but that was that was mainly manufacturing cost.

521
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.480
Like, that's the same principle that
made Chrono Trigger eighty dollars when it

522
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.119
came out, Like Fantasy Start four
was one hundred dollars. There's a lot

523
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:17.839
of ram or a lot of ROMs
on that thing, and it costs money.

524
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.640
Yeah, well, what what did
it console? Like the nests?

525
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.079
I think I bought my nest for
like eighty bucks and then this nest I

526
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.039
got as a gift. So was
it like one hundred two? I want

527
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.160
to say this nest was two hundred
when it came out. Sounds right.

528
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.400
I think any like the with the
with Mario duck Hunt was one hundred,

529
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.279
right, I would say maybe that
was more than that. Maybe it was

530
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:41.039
when I like the original launch a
neys like rob the Robot, like Deluxe

531
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.440
Kit Robot Gun. No, no, no, this is prepad Okay,

532
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.200
it's like at launch it was it
was like Gyromite and duck Hunt and I

533
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.880
think Mario Brothers on separate cartridges.
Uh, and then this big ass box

534
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:53.759
that had the robot and the light
gun in there. I want to say

535
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.559
that might have been like two fift
That plausible, but I don't remember.

536
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.759
I can look it up. But
then yeah, I think I want to

537
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.839
say Scess with Mario World was two
was one nine nine, and the Genesis

538
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.039
was I remember paying two hundred bucks
for a Genesis, but I don't think

539
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.440
it came with a game Altered Beast. I'm pretty sure I bought this was

540
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.799
one of the second bought fresh I
got it late. Yeah, okay,

541
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.880
so I would want in like ninety
three. Probably the ninety four years was

542
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.720
Sonic. The one I bought was
was Sonic mine I bought. I went

543
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.599
to Tower Records and bought mine,
and I bought Madden and NHL because the

544
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.319
kid who had NHL and Madden on
our floor because I was a freshman in

545
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.599
college. The kid who had on
our floor funked out over the holiday.

546
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.319
Somebody had to come in, so
somebody had to step up, because you

547
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.000
know, I had to do what
was necessary. I think I got some

548
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.400
toys rust deal where it also came
with pat Riley basketball. What a deal?

549
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.200
Yeah? Wow? That perfect game? Who made that? Pat Riley?

550
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:52.440
That's probably Sega. That's probably Sega's
basketball game, because you know they

551
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.640
did Tommy le sort. I was
gonna say they were going after coaches for

552
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.400
their stuff. Pat Riley was at
the Lakers still, right, Yes,

553
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.839
so that would a been yeah wow, yes, yes that that game was

554
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.119
super real basketball in Japan and then
they put it out as pat Riley Basketball

555
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.279
here. Yeah that game. Man, it was not a not a great

556
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.359
game. But I love Tommy sort
of Baseball's game and h L ninety four

557
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.119
though, that's a whole reason at
Genesis Yep, yeah, like that was

558
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.720
an amazing game. That was that
crazy moment of like the Master System was

559
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.039
like this also ran next to the
NES like nobody cared, but then all

560
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.000
of a sudden, the Genesis just
like took off like a rocket. I

561
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.920
remembers games. I remember buying a
Master System and this was like after a

562
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.640
year or two of the NES and
like getting that thing and being really bummed

563
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.559
out, like feeling like I had
made a huge mistake. Yeah, there

564
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.519
wasn't a lot of sting that after
you had a Nintendo. Yeah, okay,

565
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.920
that would do it, and like
there were games on it I liked,

566
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:51.720
but at some point it was just
like, man, like the games

567
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.680
aren't coming out fast enough. Some
of these games that I've got that I

568
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.720
picked up just suck. I feel
like we were buying Master System Games at

569
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.440
Costco. I don't know. I
thought I bought Nest games at Hills Hills

570
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.000
and Kmart and it was always it
was always based on cover art. It

571
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.960
was total crapshoot every time. Yeah, yeah, I was renting a lot

572
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.839
back then because there was a good
local place that was renting games. I

573
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.720
did too. I looked at the
Master System Games at Roses. You guys

574
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.799
have a rose yet lun chairs at
it Roses one time. It sounds about

575
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.720
right, Yeah, you couldn't do
that with Master System games though, because

576
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.839
the box art was just it was
just this white box with this grid on

577
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.359
it. No, it looked cool. No, I was like, cool

578
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.119
box design. I love the box
design. But if you're if you're like

579
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.400
trying to shop for games, it's
fucking terrible because it just says the wrestling

580
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.960
and then you're pro wrestling. You
pick it up and it's like, here's

581
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.759
a dude. I don't know.
I don't think it was any better than

582
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.200
looking at that picture of Mega Man
on the cover of Mega Man for the

583
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.640
next that was at least more evocat
oh man, this is gonna be awesome.

584
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.640
It looks like a pit and no, no, maybe the mass games

585
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.640
were like more realistic than yeah or
something. But pro Wrestling was a great

586
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.720
Master System. Master System had two
carts, two different kinds of carts.

587
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:00.200
Cards. Yeah, it had carts
and then had cards, and so those

588
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.599
were I think that's just the legacy
of like what that system was in Japan

589
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.559
and the way they kind of upgraded
it over time, from like the SG

590
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.239
one thousand or whatever up to the
Mark three. And yes, they wanted

591
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.679
to have like cheaper games to be
available on these cards, and yeah,

592
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.000
the Master System just had both,
but it was I don't know. The

593
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:21.719
card games came in thinner cases.
It's like Transbot came in this like really

594
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.079
thin case. I thought that was
really cool, so you could tell yeah,

595
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.559
okay, yeah, but the games
were the same. I mean,

596
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.840
you know, it didn't seem like
like a capacity different. It probably was,

597
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.760
but it's just like it didn't it
didn't read as like this huge capacity.

598
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.079
Did Ice Climber need as much space
as the legend Zelda? Probably not?

599
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:40.320
Probably not, yeah, probably not. Both consoles are fun, I

600
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.320
like, yeah, she could dig
some more of those up. You're not

601
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.079
gonna run out and buy a Jaguar
anytime soon, though. No, no,

602
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.079
but it was still super fun.
Whenever I go back there, I'm

603
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:51.199
sure we'll play some more of those. It's good stuff. Yeah. I

604
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.800
I could bring in my Jaguar if
you want to conroduce my UPF to play

605
00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:01.159
some garbage. And I don't think
I actually own Ultravarte uh but Vortex or

606
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.679
vortechte. I think it's Ultra Vortex. It might be uh god, I

607
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.000
actually do have a look, wait, you do have a Jaguar, crazy,

608
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.039
just not a CD. I didn't. I don't have a CD.

609
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.679
He's not a crazy person. I
ended up. I ended up with Joe

610
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.800
Fielders Jaguar. So I was vying
Joe Fielders really war with CD at one

611
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.320
point and then ended up not getting
it. And it was this whole Did

612
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.199
it have a CD? Maybe?
I don't know if I still have it

613
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.199
or not, but I don't remember
there being a CD. He he he

614
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.119
literally drove up to the curb outside
of my apartment and just like shoved a

615
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.559
brown cardboard box out the window and
drove off like he did not want that

616
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.960
thing. And it's Vortech Ultra Vorte. Yeah, he was moving. Yeah.

617
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.840
So yeah, while we're on the
topic of old shitty mortal kind of

618
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.159
bat Clones. What do you know
about Tattoo Assassins. It's a terrible game.

619
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.239
It never officially came out. It
was right, it was test market.

620
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.639
Yeah, yeah, they put it
out on tests. It was it

621
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.880
wasn't quite finished, but it was. It's it is in a very playable

622
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:59.400
state in mame okay. That and
it was the story and like stuff was

623
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.239
come like it was coming with one
of the guys that worked on Back to

624
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.320
the Future, the movie Data East, right, yeah, yeah, okay,

625
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.159
And there's a whole so there's a
whole lower behind that where Data East

626
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.360
was primarily a pinball company and they
wanted to get into video games, and

627
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.559
so like there's some ties to some
guy who had like story credit on Back

628
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.119
to the Future. Did data Did
data used to get bought by Tato or

629
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.239
something like that or the other way
around? Data East stuff ended up being

630
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.480
weird. They ended up getting bought
by a company called g Mode, which

631
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.880
did mobile stuff in Japan. Okay, And so I don't know where the

632
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.400
IP rights this is. So Data
East made wind jammers. So at some

633
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.480
point I spent some time trying to
track down the IP legacy of Yeah,

634
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.519
of course they made bad dudes.
Yes, they made the RoboCop arcade games.

635
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.000
Yes, that's a good game.
Burger Time is a data East two

636
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.920
points. Well right, one of
the fatalities and Tattoo Assassins is you just

637
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.760
dropped the Burger Time burgers on top
of someone in the points come out with

638
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.599
that's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, that's not Actually that's good. It's

639
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.159
a good weird throwback. Yeah,
No, that game sucks. Is then

640
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.880
you want to hear the story about
that game? Is that Tattoo Asassins is

641
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.000
a shitty games. Thousands of fatalities, like YouTube like just you know,

642
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.679
Tatto Assassins fatalities. They're fucking weird
and it advertises like literally thousands of fatalities.

643
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.239
Well, there's there's also Bloodstorm which
came out. That came out and

644
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.800
that Johnny Cage and the ad right
right, and that game also had a

645
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.880
ton of finishing moves and that was
the one that would like you know,

646
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.480
they basically were baiting game magazines to
cover their game every month by putting shout

647
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.920
outs to game magazines in their finishers
and shit, uh and like we're gonna

648
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:30.559
give you the exclusive ones. It
makes your magazine name show up and like

649
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.519
its fucking terrible. It was people
like that, like just that took the

650
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:37.920
exact wrong lessons from Mortal Conference.
Yeah, then there was then there was

651
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.239
time Killers where you didn't even have
to wait for the end of the rounds

652
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:46.679
to things like that. There's that
that's a cool idea and time Killers.

653
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.480
But man, that game is shit. It's bad. So whatever, we

654
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.199
have not applied the science to it. Maybe I was I was maybe being

655
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.119
the greatest fighting game of all times. I was just about I was about

656
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.079
to ask, so did Tattoo Assassins
ever make it to any kind of market

657
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:04.119
whatsoever? It was ineligible for rankings. I might consider it eligible for rankings.

658
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.440
It is right, it is now
widely available, should you want to

659
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.719
play it and are willing to kind
of look the other way on some intellectual

660
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.039
property laws, I guess, But
that's that's the way it is. Uh,

661
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:22.559
you should do a very special episode
around Mortal Kombat clones. That's when

662
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.159
once we get into that, it's
going to be a very round actual dark

663
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:30.199
time, like a bunch of really
terrible games. Uh, some of them

664
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:35.000
coming from Midway themselves, like Makes
the Dark Age and and bio freaks,

665
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.599
a lot of stuff that was what
was the acronym for bio freaks? What

666
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.000
is that sand for fucking really awful? I don't know. I don't know.

667
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.599
I don't even know I spell freaks
Apparently. I just imagine. I

668
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:49.000
imagine that those Mortal Kombat clones happen
because the like, I picture an old

669
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.400
white guy in a suit who's the
executive for the game, and he's like,

670
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.360
look, kids love people. It's
it's like the guy in Wayne's World,

671
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.800
right, okay, owner in Wayne's
World. He's sitting there, he's

672
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.280
like, look, the kids love
to rip people's heads off what they want,

673
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.239
and here you go, here we
go, biological flying, robotic,

674
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:13.679
enhanced armored killing synthoids. Wow,
yeah, that's synthoid. Jeff. It's

675
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:19.119
uh, it's like it's like it's
the fake Uh, it's the fake politicians

676
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.400
that Cobra made to infiltrate the levels
of government. Yeah, and and and

677
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.239
uh ship ship wreck, yeah,
shipwreck. All the people fucking melt and

678
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.079
if everybody fucking freaks out, well
they made a video game about it.

679
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.360
A good episode of Unlicensed, but
you know, it's a pretty good episode

680
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.960
of anything might be the best episode
of eighties cartoon and really Haunted two part

681
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.719
It's yeah, that's three. Is
that one worse than when they go to

682
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.719
the parallel dimension where everything is slightly
off. That one's so good too.

683
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.719
It's so creepy spiders they ended up
and like some of the g I Joes,

684
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:53.800
this was how they wrote some people
off the show. Was they went

685
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:58.800
to an alternate dimension and then like
Zap and Rock and Roll stayed behind in

686
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.480
the alternate dimension to help the good
Baroness fight Cobra. It was it was

687
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.679
basically it was basically the Star Trek, like the Evil Universe. It was

688
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.400
just like everything was slightly different in
some way. But they were like,

689
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.400
well, we want to put more
of Bazuka and Footloose and the toys were

690
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.719
trying to sell this year onto the
show. We need to get Clutch and

691
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.800
all these other fuckers out of here. I mean, you know, there's

692
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.559
a long history of that kind of
Shenanigan. Yeah, you know, including

693
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:28.880
like Orson wells oh yeah, I'm
an in although those movies that example,

694
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.039
it's just like like half of your
favorite characters die in the first ten minutes

695
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.719
of kids movie. You already owned
Jazz we don't need to put him in

696
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.199
anything else, But what if we
turned him into something else? I was

697
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.079
holding Jazz just oh yeah, yesterday, we have abot of jazz. Jazz

698
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.480
shitty. Oh, Jazz was one
of my first one. Jazz and Blue

699
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.960
Streaks were some of my first transformers. He's a car, you know,

700
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.039
really a robot. Never I never
had Jazz, But wasn't he super weird

701
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.960
to transform? Like? I thought? Yeah? Arms didn't work? Right?

702
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.880
Yeah, the ones, the ones
where their arms had to like cross

703
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.920
over in front of each that's always
the never work. That's where they went.

704
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.400
And Megatron's barrel always would fly and
he sucked. No, I don't

705
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.440
know my favorite transfer. My favorite
transformers are the ones where the doors become

706
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:14.199
wings and yeah, both As and
Blue Streak do that okay, where it's

707
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.320
like the hot cakes thing turns into
a terodactyle. I do have one of

708
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.639
those somewhere. They're the only ones
I ever had. But I had all

709
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.159
of those. Okay, it sounds
about right. Yeah, that's not hard

710
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:29.920
for me to please. All right, Jeff, have you been playing much

711
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.719
like live? Really really talk about
video games? Let's talk about the video

712
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.480
Okay, you mentioned you asked me
something about quick Live last week, and

713
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.559
I was like, I wonder what
that's about. Turns out you were playing.

714
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.480
I bought a new mouse and keyboard, and then I was like,

715
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.719
I need to fucking break that they
need to fucking put in, so I

716
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.920
need to play some real ass video
games, and so I downloaded quick Live,

717
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:51.199
which they've changed. It's not a
subscription service anymore. They're just straight

718
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.719
up selling it from the web browsers. No Steam, it's in Steam.

719
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.639
It has achievements. I think you
can't. Actually, I think it just

720
00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.800
goes to the Steam page on when
you go to their website. Do you

721
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.199
know how much? Is it just
straight off the store? So it's been

722
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.480
on sale for five but I think
the sales over now. So have they

723
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.000
eliminated the like premium tier, the
paper tier, run your own servers and

724
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:14.039
stuff out of it. So I
saw some people posting relatively recently complaining about

725
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.480
it not being free because the player
count was not super high, and I

726
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.920
wonder wonder if that just made a
change of like, well, now it's

727
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:22.880
not free, I'm not going to
go buy Quake Live, which, you

728
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.880
know whatever, it's ten dollars.
Seems like a reasonable price for the most

729
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.039
eminently replayable game perhaps ever Quake three
DM. Yeah, although I mean Jeff

730
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.079
played it more recently than I have. But they have made some kind of

731
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.840
weird changes too. Yeah, they've
added weapons to it. It's got a

732
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.400
chain gun, it's got the heavy
machine gun, which is all due I

733
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.719
think, but you know, yeah, I think so they've added some stuff

734
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.199
like that. There are over one
hundred maps in that thing as part of

735
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.239
the base, and a lot of
them you just don't recognize, and even

736
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:51.440
some of the ones you do,
they have modified to put like quick Live

737
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.679
banners around, so you're playing longest
yard and the rail platform all the way

738
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.920
out there in the end now has
a big quick Live logo back there branding

739
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.519
on yeah, which is ever it's
who cares, But it's so it's slowly

740
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.719
they're totally sullying Quake Cannon. At
least it's not like fucking you know,

741
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.960
a billboard for actual in game advertises. You know, they're broadcasting they can

742
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:14.239
put an axe body spray ad right, but they did. They did esports

743
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.920
the funk out of that thing.
They put like timers on the item responds

744
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.400
and stuff like that. They did. Yeah, and and then they made

745
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.119
the announcers. They welcomed a quick
live whenever you connect to a server,

746
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.800
which I think is kind of lame, but uh yeah no, that's that's

747
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.480
it's still basically Quake three and that's
still good. Yeah. So so I've

748
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.559
been I've been fucking with that a
little bit lately. So did you find

749
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.760
players? I mean wasn't? Yeah, they're related. There are Like when

750
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.159
I look for servers that are under
one hundred ping, I only find a

751
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:45.840
few that have players on them.
So there's one that doesn't have many players

752
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.280
on it. Uh, that is
fine and good and all that, but

753
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.599
then there's one that is just always
fucking over full for a lot of these

754
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.880
map sizes, so it's just like
telefrags and fucking nonsense. Which that's fun

755
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.400
too. Yeah, that's how it
was when we played Quick one a couple

756
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.679
of weeks ago and upf right like
twice as many players as these maps can

757
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.000
support, NonStop chaos. Yeah,
and you know, it's I don't know

758
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.760
the maps, so like it's weird
having playing this game that is supposed to

759
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.679
be all nostalgia or for me,
is all nostalgia, and then like not

760
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.159
recognizing any of the maps because they've
added so many to this thing over the

761
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.440
years. But then someone just did
a call vote and switched the longest yard.

762
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:22.840
I'm like, okay, all right, that's like, okay, let's

763
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.840
do this. You feel like you're
home again. Yeah, there's there's like

764
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.960
a weird fish out of water feeling. Yeah to playing new maps in those

765
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.079
games, I find myself though,
And I guess I've felt this way about

766
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.039
this game about Quake three at the
time. Is I played enough UT to

767
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.360
want a weapon priority switching system instead
of like either you have to switch manually

768
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.880
or it'll auto switch to whatever weapon
you pick up next. You use ESDF

769
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.559
for your movement keys, and then
Q W, E, A, and

770
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.880
Z are hot keys for railgun,
rock launch a green launch machine. I

771
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.599
just made Q the rock Shauncher and
it's been fine. It's all you really

772
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.480
Q and E one launch shotgun right
good? Yeah? Yeah? And the

773
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.280
rail gun maybe yeh, Like Q, Q and E are rocket and rail

774
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.440
yeah, rail rail and lightning gun. And I think it added like whatever

775
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.880
F is to switch back to the
previous weapons, so if I pick up

776
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.599
something I don't like it, I
can quickly switch back. Can we talk

777
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.880
about the railgun. Yeah, do
you think, like looking back now,

778
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.679
but we know there nobody puts railguns
in modern games, right yeah, if

779
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:30.760
they're modern games aren't meant to be
like like modern games are more lag tolerant,

780
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:32.960
so a railgun is a lot harder
to do it. But it was

781
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.039
his scan still, wasn't it.
I mean, you know, like sniper

782
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.480
rifles in the closest thing to that, probably it's kind of a hit scan

783
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.000
potential one he killed sort of thing. Well, but then think about the

784
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.719
railguns gives that trail to point back
to you ever just missed you if they

785
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.519
don't kill you. Did you ever
edit your fig file to change the color

786
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.800
of your trail? Of course,
Yeah, you don't have to edit your

787
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.320
They just just dragged you thing built
it in. Yeah, I think that

788
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.360
was even maybe your race Quake three
at some point it wasn't a confict file

789
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.039
thing anymore. But that but the
railgun is why I bounced off a Quake

790
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.519
three after a while, Like where
has quick one stayed forever? Because it's

791
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.039
just basically about shooting rockets? Really
Yeah? Yeah, no, I could

792
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.239
see that, Like especially you just
especially those wide open maps, you just

793
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.119
find yourself blowing up and you don't
know why. It becomes less about tactics

794
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.119
and more about how fast you can
you put the thing. And then there's

795
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.440
such a high skill ceiling on that
though. If you got really good at

796
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.280
it, oh that's the problem literally
dominant. Yeah, so get better.

797
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.360
But you and I have a railgun. We look, we're old men now,

798
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.800
we're never gonna be good enough to
do I hit four rail shots in

799
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.000
a row last night. That's pretty
good. So I mean that you could

800
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.440
still do I take it. You
can, you can still do it.

801
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.960
I'm gonna quit my job. I'm
gonna go ahead and play. I have

802
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.119
the Tiger on loop for our fighteen
hours straight. Yep. Just get into

803
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.159
that quick live. Something something about
snapping off and hitting rail shots like guys

804
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.159
bouncing off the jumpads and just tagging
them out of the air before you even

805
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.719
know what you did. Oh that's
the other couple of changes they made a

806
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.199
quick live is numbers fly off of
guys when you do damage, so you

807
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.800
see the numbers. Yeah, so
when you hit that rail shot and then

808
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.400
eighty pops off, you actually feel
pretty good. New Doom multiplayer that as

809
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.519
well. Uh, and there's also
a separate. You know, it has

810
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.440
the hit noise. There's a deeper
clunk noise when you like make direct contact

811
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:13.360
with a rocket. That actually feels
pretty good because you're like you're used to

812
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.440
the damage noise when you hear it
go punk, Yeah, you're like,

813
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.559
yeah, fuck that guy, that's
pretty good. That sounds okay. Yeah,

814
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.559
I guess Quake Deathmatch actually was all
about doing the math right on,

815
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.639
like how much armor do they have
and right have they gotten the mega health

816
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.039
and have they been controlling those items? And how many rockets is it going

817
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:30.039
to take to kill this person?
Yeah, but you don't know, so

818
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:35.320
you know, it doesn't display their
health. It just that's the damage,

819
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.960
you know, right, Yes,
Yeah, but I was never I was

820
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.920
never really into the like some people
were just like Rocket Arena was like the

821
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.280
beginning and end of Quake for them, and I just never got into it.

822
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.519
Rocket arena was the was a big
deal for me. I feel like

823
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.239
in Quake two, yeah, that's
I think that's where it's. That's what

824
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.639
they ended the arenas, right,
and it already too. Yeah, they

825
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.800
added all the multi arena stuff so
you could just play more frequently and not

826
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:59.280
have to watch as much so well. But the watching is where I learned

827
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.960
how to play definite. Like like
when you'd get on a server with seven

828
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.119
people, which was totally worked on
dial up yep, in that because yeah,

829
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.280
that's I lived in dial up country. You'd stand on the on the

830
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:13.159
transparent ceiling, look down through the
arena and watch how people were leading and

831
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.199
like how they're using cover rather mix
up their movements. And that's literally how

832
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:21.119
I like got competent at first person
shooters. I just didn't want to do

833
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.039
that in an arena. I still
like running the map in Quake is part

834
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.119
of why I like it so much, you know, oh yeah, using

835
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:30.400
using you know, entry ways and
barricades to your advantage and you know that

836
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:31.559
kind of thing. When and now
when I play in a one on one

837
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.599
setup, I'm fucking awful, really
the worst. Uh yeah. I am

838
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.880
picking up kills from people who are
shooting at other people a lot, now,

839
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:44.920
you know, yeah, yeah yeah, and I'm doing okay. I'm

840
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.880
not winning matches by any means.
Uh but yeah, Like I used to

841
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.760
be pretty good at Rocket Arena.
I used to that those skills are gone.

842
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.599
Well, like one on one,
I like I remember playing DM six

843
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.400
on Quake one a lot as a
one on one map and just getting so

844
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.000
used to because because the other thing
you forgot about Quake is there's no hit

845
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.719
indicator. There's no thing that tells
you which direction the hit came from.

846
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:08.760
Right right, Yeah, So you
just all of a sudden you're you're dying

847
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:13.360
and you have to start spinning when
you see the guy, and so you

848
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.199
end up using audio cues a lot
more like I remember, switching from speakers

849
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.960
to headphones was a big, big
change for me on Quake. Not that

850
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:22.480
never any good. You just but
you can hear the rocket come, yeah,

851
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.159
you hear what? You you get
that left right? Split? You

852
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.800
turn this way instead of that.
You can't see what I'm gonna turn left

853
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.079
instead of right. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good game. It's a

854
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.880
good ass games, good ass game. I hope Quake Champions is good.

855
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.280
Yeah, Champions. The new Quaked. They announced the new Quake and right,

856
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:43.960
you're what you're somewhat out of games. They announced the new Quake any

857
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.320
three, but it's like single player
only, it's multiplayer only. It's PC

858
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.559
only, but it is not making
it Quake live. It is they're ever

859
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.280
seen it. The more the more
I think about it, the more I

860
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.559
think it's probably Quake Live too,
or is it like Unreal Championship the Quake

861
00:49:55.639 --> 00:50:00.400
version also okay, so okay maybe, but also it's it sounds like it'll

862
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.159
be more like character based, ability
based, like there will be some of

863
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.119
that. Yeah, and like they
showed that they only showed a CG trailer

864
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.159
so far, but like one of
the characters had a little quick blink teleport

865
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:17.000
kind of thing like a tracer in
this game. Saber Interactive. Who is

866
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:24.079
Saber Interactive? They worked on the
Halo anniversary campaigns, They did Time did

867
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:29.360
that Time Shift game a few years
ago, did not especially like, uh

868
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.320
so, yeah, that's a little
weird. But also it sounds like that

869
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:36.079
there is some maybe some lineage or
there are people there that were at least

870
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:40.519
around back in the Texas Shooter days. That's what I have heard that would

871
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.519
that would care very much about making
a great Quake. So we'll see.

872
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.360
Look, the stuff that's come out
of enfranchises that they've handed off to other

873
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.440
studios right lately been awesome. A
Quake four campaign look well, in the

874
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.679
Quake four campaign, if if they
marketed that really poorly, Yeah, they

875
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.079
had they've done a better job with
that. It would have been received much

876
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.000
better. Yeah, but also that
was yes, you know, that was

877
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.239
just over ten years ago under Activision. Like it's a very different world for

878
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.239
ID properties these days. Yeah.
I mean Activision well known for well kind

879
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:13.400
of fucking things up left and right. So but I mean they are two

880
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.719
for two so far since the befessayout
of bringing back old properties and doing a

881
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.400
damn good job of it. Yeah, so they didn't just say go make

882
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.840
Rage two, which is great.
If they did not do that, I

883
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.639
don't think good game in Rage.
There's a good game in Rage somewhere,

884
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:30.159
but it was not in Rage.
Parts parts of Rage were really good and

885
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.719
it looked fucking amazing. Yeah,
that's the time, will Smith gradu Maker,

886
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.960
what have you been up to?
Well, you know, talking,

887
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.159
I do a lot of talking these
days. I went I went to the

888
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:44.159
doctor and had my vocal cords camerad
what because I've been losing my voice a

889
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.639
lot late, So I went to
the special doctor and the camera. I've

890
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:51.760
been thinking about this issue. It's
it's scary, right, It's like if

891
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.400
I lose the ability to speak for
a few days, that has a pretty

892
00:51:54.440 --> 00:52:00.480
significant impact in my professional life.
Sure, so I got appointment. It

893
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.320
took a long time. I went
in and they they talk to me for

894
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.320
a little bit about how I used
my voice, and I've never sounded crazier

895
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.320
in my life because they're like,
what do you do for a living?

896
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.880
I was like, well, I
just I talk a lot. But they

897
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.440
had this camera on a pole that
was about a foot long, and it

898
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:21.960
has a strobe on the end,
and they tell you just you lean forward

899
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.920
in the chair and push your chin
out and stick your tongue out, and

900
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:30.400
then they rest the probe on your
tongue and he kind of holds it just

901
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.199
a little bit off so he doesn't
make you gag. And they keep shoving

902
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:35.360
it further and further back, and
you can see a monitor in front of

903
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.639
you until like some guy ger esque
business opens up and you're you've got like

904
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.840
vocal cords moving, and then they
have you sing and talk and make sounds.

905
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:45.599
It was really cool. Yeah,
I wish I had video. I

906
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.119
wouldn't want to see it. That
would that would be the part that would

907
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.159
make it hard for me to do. I would videos. I watched it

908
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:57.800
afterwards, like, oh God,
that shouldn't be that far down there.

909
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.199
You have to watch it live so
that you can see that you're not doing

910
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.320
something that abstocks the camera. So
there's no choice. Okay, you have

911
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.159
to know that your tongue isn't like
moving away, that's it's the way their

912
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:08.760
way past your tongue. Like like
he get first, they give you a

913
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.039
little tour of like what's the business
that happens? Like they're like here,

914
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:16.239
this is this is the thing that
closes over your windpipe when you swallow food.

915
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.400
This is where the food goes,
is where the air goes. This

916
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.679
is where the air comes in from
your It was really cool, is there?

917
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.000
Do they have any way to suppress
the gag reflects or do they just

918
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:29.400
have to be very careful. You
have to not move And he hovers above

919
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.480
and they tell you kind of if
you feel like you're gonna gag to warn

920
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.079
please please don't just vomit all over
how many people they make throw up?

921
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:39.280
And he's like, I haven't made
anybody throw up. I'm a professional.

922
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.360
He seemed a little bit offended that
I suggested that, So what was the

923
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.599
upshot of the whole thing? I
have prognosis. I have to go to

924
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:51.599
physical therapy muscles around my vocal cord. They're very tense, Yeah, because

925
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.599
I use my muscles to counteract some
bad habits I'm developed. Because I didn't

926
00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.239
go to broadcaster school and learn how
to enunciate properly. I'm finding on the

927
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.760
end of a long recording day that
sometimes by the end my voice will have

928
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.480
gotten gravelly. Yeah, and that
used to not happen. That's the thing

929
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:07.480
that told me I needed to go
to the doctor. What about at the

930
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.159
end of something like E three,
where you're doing four hour shows every night,

931
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.199
is that that will be okay?
Because that was that's only four hours,

932
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:15.920
you know, Like if we're going
through a full day here, an

933
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.360
extra life marathon, yeah, or
even just a normal day of recording here,

934
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:22.960
that'll end up. Or just walk
around here talking to people or on

935
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.639
a podcast day and then we would
go record something. And yeah, we

936
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.239
were. We were recording the ads
after the show a little bit recently,

937
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.000
and then I realized we can't keep
doing that anymore because I sound worse after

938
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.519
the show than I do before.
Huh. Well, So He's like one

939
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:39.079
of the things that they said is
if you find yourself clearing your throat more

940
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:44.239
than is normal, Like that's the
thing that resets the muscles for me,

941
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.320
and that's why I do that.
But it feels like you have something like

942
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:51.519
just kind of back in the back
of your throat. Degradation of vocal cords

943
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.280
over and over your lifespan is kind
of scary. Well, we could give

944
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.519
it happen, like the stuff that
we thought what you should should be doing.

945
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.079
Yeah, right, like like doing
long asso gasts all the time and

946
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.119
doing these sitting down from I'm just
gonna do what Axle did joke get what

947
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.760
was? Just drink whiskey? That's
the thing I was. I was actually

948
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:08.440
I was reading about that stuff recently, Like the lifestyle has an effect on

949
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.679
this, Yeah for sure, you
know, like professional singers got to take

950
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.480
care of that stuff. Drinking a
lot is real bad for your voice.

951
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.679
No spoken, no drinking, no
yelling, no screaming. Yeah. So

952
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:23.239
I played some video games. Yeah, yeah, I finally played an uncharted

953
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.119
game, so I have over the
ears, bought all of the uncharted games,

954
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.360
and then played about forty five minutes
and bounced off as soon as it

955
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.920
got to be a shooting part.
No kidding, because like those the bits,

956
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.840
like there was a bit and Uncharted
two specifically where you get to like

957
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.320
the first kind of open arena.
It's and I'm in the forest ruined someplace.

958
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.960
Yeah, there's like big brut blocks, a lot of stuff to hide

959
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.440
behind, and the guys shooting.
Yeah, I can't remember how that game

960
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.320
starts. Well, so two starts
with you're hanging off the train. But

961
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.199
from there, but then it real
quickly goes the train is an it's a

962
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.400
flash forward forward and then the first
big open thing is where you get the

963
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.480
grenades and the jungle and all that. Yeah, okay, yeah it was.

964
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.559
I want to say I might be
wrong, but because I didn't really

965
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.440
spend that much time figuring out how
it works, because it pissed me off.

966
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.239
But the shooting was bad, and
I would you're not, yes,

967
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:15.760
that is valid opinion. I would
say it's adequate at best. It's definitely

968
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.639
not. There are better third person
shooters. Yeah, And like it seemed

969
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.960
like they were just monster closets that
kept spawning bad guys infinitely unless you unless

970
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.760
you pushed forward, So I was
cheating. Like you would call a duty

971
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:29.800
or something where you kind of shoot
people and then you clear the room,

972
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:31.159
then you move to the next spot
and I was just like, this is

973
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:35.960
fucking going on forever. It's like
an hour maybe. So I bounced off

974
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.920
of all of the uncharted game.
Is the long story short, I bought

975
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.679
I bought four because I talked to
boys, I think, and he was

976
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.679
like, this one, this shit
tries. This was pretty good. I

977
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:46.280
was like, you have a bias
here, man, But I was bored.

978
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.440
So I bought it and it's a
it's a really neat game, and

979
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.400
I turned on. The big change
for me is I looked in the options,

980
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.159
I turned on the lock on.
Yeah. I feel like everybody I

981
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.519
know who has had the best time
with Unchartered four has gone that into like

982
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.000
the assist features, like Vinny Vinnie
played it on, like the lock on

983
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.800
at some point is it takes a
lot of the game out of the game.

984
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.360
Yeah, So I turned it on. At first, I was like,

985
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.320
oh, let's check this out,
and it just felt like it was

986
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.880
too much. So I felt bad
for my I felt bad. Well,

987
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:17.800
so you're saying I'm playing the game
wrong. No, I think that that's

988
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.440
a valid way to play. I
just I don't know. I liked I

989
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.400
like the way Vinnie described it as
like it lets you play the way Nathan

990
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.239
Drake should be able to do things, which is like he's a bad flying

991
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.440
through the air, like hanging on
a grappling hook and like popping off headshots

992
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.199
as you go. You know,
like, of course he can do that

993
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.239
well. And I left it off
until I got to the part where the

994
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.599
shooting was frustrating me, right,
So I left it off for probably two

995
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.119
thirds of the game. I think
he was in Africa by the time I

996
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:44.320
turned it on, and then I
was. Then it made me like that

997
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.679
was the push I needed to want
to finish the game, because otherwise I

998
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:50.280
was just going to keep doing the
same shit over over again, getting frustrated.

999
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.679
And you were right to do that. The last I think Dan said

1000
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:54.440
the same thing, like the last
major firefight in that game in particular,

1001
00:57:54.519 --> 00:58:00.079
is a real fucking grind. Ye. Yeah, that's a that's that's a

1002
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.920
a triumph of art. Man.
Those games are unbelievable. Is like,

1003
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.519
Yeah, it's a mind blowing How
good getting that game looks? Yeah?

1004
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:10.760
I like, and I lived like
so the first the first Audie Dog game

1005
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:14.679
I guess I played in modern times
was the last of us. And I

1006
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:16.360
played this a lot like last of
us, like I steal through a lot

1007
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.000
of stuff and kind of stuck around
people, And it's more of a viable

1008
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:22.039
option than for than I think it's
ever been in that series. I think

1009
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.800
it's the first time that it has
been a fully viable option. You can

1010
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:28.760
play for my most entire combat,
you can play through the most of that

1011
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.559
game that way. Yeah, it's
I So. Yeah, I was skeptical

1012
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.360
that I was going to be excited
about it, and was pretty stoked at

1013
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:37.440
it in the end. And then
yeah, I think that a bunch of

1014
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.599
Overwatch. We went down, We
went and watch I did Duke. Oh

1015
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.079
yeah that started since last week.
Yeah, I was just gonna stay real

1016
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.159
quick. We went down to the
Stutra of Baths yesterday. Yeah, there's

1017
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.880
I had never walked around there for
whatever reason, I've lived here for thirteen

1018
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.480
years and I've never gone down there. But there's some real uncharted shit around

1019
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:57.800
there. Oh it's significantly Like it's
crazy. Like my girlfriend was looking around,

1020
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.519
going like that looks like a handhold
and a jumping puzzle, little sequence

1021
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:01.559
straight up, Like there are parts
where it's like, oh, you could

1022
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:05.519
climb up that little rock face.
And then there there's those old like rebar

1023
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.159
looking stuff sticking out of the cliff
that you could like hand hold your way

1024
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:12.239
around. Like it's nuts. There's
there are people I've seen people climb that

1025
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.280
maybe not the stuff on the cliff
cliff side, but like they're definitely I've

1026
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.039
definitely seen people down there before.
But it seems like it's a scary place

1027
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.920
to be. Yeah, anyway,
I'm sorry. Overwatch competitive, Yeah,

1028
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:28.480
it's a little broken. It seems
like, I what part do you think

1029
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.800
it is broken? I found it. It's definitely tougher. It's a tougher

1030
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:35.559
breed of player for sure. So
I've gotten through, I've done most of

1031
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.559
the I think I finished this my
like competitive ranking matches. Yeah, I

1032
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.960
haven't had a lot of time to
play Overwatch this week. It's it's like

1033
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.679
I like that idea, like the
idea of a StarCraft style ladder in a

1034
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.159
competitive shooter. That's like Overwatch is
really really exciting to me. But the

1035
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.400
things that people seem to be bitching
about the amount you go up versus amount

1036
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.320
you go down. And I think
it's specifically the leaving penalty is like the

1037
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:05.039
rage quitting penalty is broke is not
it doesn't work right well, it's right,

1038
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.360
too much, too little, like
it's it's terrible, and if you're

1039
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.239
just playing quick play, well,
it happens if you do quick playing quick

1040
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.119
I've done it a couple of times
because I have a kid. I think

1041
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.880
Bianca had to leave early in one
match whatever for some reason, like we've

1042
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.360
never rage quit and she didn't earn
she earned like twenty percent XP or something

1043
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:24.480
for the next like ten matches or
it was something really bad for one VeryE

1044
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.079
one time and it wasn't even like
she played half to match and then quit,

1045
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:30.559
like it seemed really, I mean, that would be a lot more

1046
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.480
damaging if you got anything useful out
of XP, you know, like it's

1047
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:36.840
it's just like I know, I
know it's I know it's a bummer.

1048
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.360
But at least they're not like holding
weapon unlocks back or something like. Yeah,

1049
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.360
so it seems it seems like well
the rage quit thing, it seems

1050
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.039
like and I apologize because I'm probably
gonna get this wrong, but but you

1051
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:51.559
when you quit, if you quit, if somebody quits within the first like

1052
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:54.440
two minutes, then the entire match
just starts over right, which is which

1053
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:58.960
is weird. Yeah, but I
mean, but I get why with with

1054
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:00.679
a new player they matched somebody else
in I think they match somebody else in,

1055
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.119
or you may they may dump everybody
else out to match making and do

1056
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:06.639
it all over again. There was
There was actually a really good post on

1057
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.360
either the Blizzard forms I think it
was linked from the Overwatch subreddit that explained

1058
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:15.679
how like their goals with matchmaking.
That was super interesting and like how they

1059
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.920
do groups with groups and stuff like
that. But so okay, So if

1060
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.840
you if you, if you punch
out early, then it starts the whole

1061
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.519
round over or maybe the match.
It was unclear whether it's per round or

1062
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:31.280
per match. But then if somebody
quits that's not you, then that affects

1063
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.840
how much XP you gain on that, everybody else gains on that if they

1064
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.599
win, and how much rank you
go up, which is which seems really

1065
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:43.880
fucked right. It seems like it's
weird to penalize people who don't rage quit

1066
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.159
for people who quit, and it
seems like they're like the negative feedback loop

1067
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:52.239
that prevents people from quitting isn't quite
right at least right now, Like they're

1068
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.440
not giving you a good reason to
not quit and just stick out and take

1069
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:58.199
the loss yeah, because because like
you're gonna lose a lot of rank,

1070
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:00.840
but you're also going to lose a
lot of rank you lose and then you're

1071
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.239
you punish everybody else when you rage
quit, So it's it seems shitty.

1072
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.480
Also, is there any way that
you could organize it, like a team

1073
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.280
could organize it to get somebody on
the other team to sabotage, because we

1074
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:15.960
kind of thought that's what was happening
when Bianca plays either Mercy or Farah,

1075
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:20.199
usually Mercy, because like if someone
else was playing as Mercy, should switched

1076
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.760
the Farah back and forth or whatever. And there was somebody on our team

1077
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.360
that every time she would switch,
the other person would switch to what she

1078
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.199
was, and like when this other
person was Mercy, they weren't healing anyone.

1079
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:31.760
When they were Farah, they weren't
attacking anyone. Like it was just

1080
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:36.840
like very purposeful and antagonizing. And
I didn't know someone just being a dick,

1081
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:38.280
or if there's some way that somebody
get like a mold onto our team

1082
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:43.840
or whatever, it could be somebody
that knows you too. Didn't recognize the

1083
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.639
name, right, Yeah, no, no, I mean no, like

1084
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:52.840
not a friend says Okay, who
knows. Like part of the problem I

1085
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:57.079
think in this first week was that
the competitive matchmaking was such that you weren't

1086
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.079
getting like you didn't have the good
matchmaking because they didn't know where people stood.

1087
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:06.239
Maybe I don't know. I had
so far on my competitive matchmaking games

1088
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.360
it was one blowout every single time, either for or against me. And

1089
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:14.840
part of it was that, like
teams were communicating. So it's like like

1090
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.239
that that's a game that if you
have two people that are shooting at one

1091
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:20.239
person, the team that has two
people shooting at one person is always gonna

1092
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.920
work. Oh right, Yeah,
And so like when people are going out

1093
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:27.760
in ones and twos versus people going
on in a group of five or six,

1094
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.079
the group of five or six wins
every time. Yeah, it sucks

1095
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:34.360
too, because if you're trying to
take competitive seriously, you want to get

1096
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.400
everyone on voice chat. And like
normally with every multiplayer game, I turn

1097
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.519
off everyone except for if I'm playing
in a party with someone with the headsets

1098
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.000
and just talk amongst them. But
then he turned on voice chat for the

1099
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.239
whole team and competitive, and that
opens it up to like, oh right,

1100
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.079
this is what multiplayer games are like. When I can hear everyone sounds

1101
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.440
like you're ready for Doda. Nope, I haven't had a whole lot of

1102
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.320
bad like I've muted. It's a
couple of people probably, but I haven't

1103
01:03:54.360 --> 01:04:00.199
had a lot of like people using
pejoratives about my skill or parentage. Maybe

1104
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.079
I just stuck because yeah, do
they do they split people up into like

1105
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:05.039
leagues with names on them like they
do in StarCraft and stuff like that.

1106
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.760
Do they have the kind of equivalent
of like bronze and silver. I don't

1107
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.039
think so yet, but it feels
like that option is there, Like it

1108
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:18.320
feels it feels like a real hybrid
between like a like a fighting game ladder

1109
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:21.800
and like a StarCraft kind of thing. They I don't think they're breaking out

1110
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.239
teams though, So I don't think
there's like a team league, like you

1111
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.800
have a StarCraft and then at one
mom like you don't have a separate three

1112
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.880
still ranking for your set team.
Okay, Like I was a little I

1113
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.519
kind of wish that they had that
where you had like where you had a

1114
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:40.000
ladder where like you get your six
people together and and generated does a whole

1115
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.880
separate set of placements. They would
eventually grow into that and maybe this is

1116
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.039
just yea, they're out right now? Yeah? Can you do they expose

1117
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:48.800
any of your skill stuff at all? Do you see a number? You

1118
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:53.000
get a rank, and that rank
goes up and down based on how you

1119
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.599
perform one hundred? Right? I
think so. But they're but they're not

1120
01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:00.400
hashing a like, oh you're you're
whatever. Get an MMR and okay,

1121
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.519
yeah it's MMR indoda. I think
my understanding though, is that there is

1122
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:05.760
an MMR that's back there. I'm
sure they're obviously there has to been invisible,

1123
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.719
and I just didn't know if they
were actually exposing that to people,

1124
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.519
because that becomes a whole new point
of contention once you give that information to

1125
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.280
the player base, you know,
where people like immediately become super elitist about

1126
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.239
what people's MR is and make a
bunch of assumptions about that. It's it's

1127
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.960
just a recipe for more toxicity in
a lot of cases that. I mean,

1128
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.559
that could be why people are so
pissed off too, because like like

1129
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:28.320
with the amount you drop first of
the amount you gain, Like if you're

1130
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.800
playing people with a lower much lower
hittan MR than you and you lose to

1131
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.880
them, you're gonna get them right, a much bigger hit than yeah.

1132
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:40.320
So like, I don't know,
it feels like they didn't test this stuff

1133
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:42.599
during the beta that I was aware
of. So it seems like maybe this

1134
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.199
is the first wave of them figuring
out how it's going to work, and

1135
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.039
the second season will get better.
Like I want to know if they're going

1136
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.679
to fix the first season while they're
going, or they are already talking in

1137
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:55.599
terms of seasons. I mean,
I guess that they do that with three

1138
01:05:55.599 --> 01:06:00.159
month season. Okay, and you
earn like a different current, like this

1139
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.760
competitive points thing whatever, and it
costs three hundred purple coins or whatever to

1140
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:08.199
get a gold version of your weapon, and each purple coin is one competitive

1141
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:10.960
win, so you have if you
want to get gold weapons, you're going

1142
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.840
to be playing a shitload. Wow. Yeah that's cool. And yeah,

1143
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.039
and then I'll drag you know,
ideally that I'll drag all the people that

1144
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:20.360
care about competitive Overwatch into that ship
and make the you know, quick play,

1145
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.639
the quick play a little bit more
fun. I guess hopefully it doesn't

1146
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:27.599
a little lower stakes probably, yeah, or just lower stakes. Yeah,

1147
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:29.840
I guess that's fucking trial to me. To me, that is fun.

1148
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.280
Yeah, I don't know. I
mean, are you still playing Overwatch here

1149
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.800
and there? But I mean no, Like I haven't played it in like

1150
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.000
a week or two or something at
this point, but I'm it's still installed,

1151
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.719
so theoretically I might return to the
option, is there? Yeah,

1152
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.679
I thought it was interesting. I
guess they talked about making different balance changes,

1153
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.960
specifically to the console versions of the
game to deal with like the different

1154
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.480
turning radius involved and stuff. It
was specifically they were going to do something

1155
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:59.480
to the nuds to tour Burnes Turret
on the Xbox Ory on the console versions

1156
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:01.679
of the game because of the way
that it locks on very quickly and that

1157
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.599
sort of stuff. Maybe have like
an animation like turning slower or something.

1158
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.719
I think it was more that I
think they were that seems like the same

1159
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.239
thing to do. I think they
were doing the opposite of whatever that was.

1160
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:14.440
Like, like the solution didn't sound
great either when I read it,

1161
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.400
but I take more I don't remember
it. I mean I have to imagine

1162
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:23.639
stuff like Soldiers have any six is
much more useful, Like his ault is

1163
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:26.480
much better on console than it is
on PC. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1164
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:30.079
problem it's really good too, Like
he's my main guy that that alt

1165
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.960
is great. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I've primarily been playing

1166
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.039
on PC, but but I did
get to like level ten or eleven on

1167
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.320
console, and that's the that's the
version of the game seems a okay.

1168
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:45.440
So yeah, I don't know alts
olts. What's talking about alts? It's

1169
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.880
great. Now they're gonna take the
olts away from you. Overwatch is gonna

1170
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.519
steal all your dodal lingo away from
you. God damn it end like the

1171
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:56.400
more people who understand, the less
cool it is. Yeah, I want,

1172
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.599
I want. I want the next
map to be the Jungler m double

1173
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.079
Wayammy. There. It's a good
game. I agree game. I'll always

1174
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:11.519
have an aggressive try line. I
don't know what is that on that's that's

1175
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.119
that's from battle Borne. It's when
you run the popular mobile. It's when

1176
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.279
you run three heroes in the off
lane try to shut down there. Ah,

1177
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.159
they're they're one. I like the
mushroom guy. If you know whoever

1178
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.520
feels yeah, I know who's knives. Whoever's playing position one. You want

1179
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.760
to make sure they don't get as
a little farm as possible. You're you're

1180
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:35.439
a position one. Brad, stop
moving on. Let's move on. We're

1181
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:40.640
gonna make a little change this week. Whoa because I got like thirty five

1182
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:45.239
cents said you wanted some change in
Minesota. There's not a lot of going

1183
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:46.760
on in the world video game news
this week. There's some little bit of

1184
01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.760
some stuff and not really class Roy. I'll update, keep going, keep

1185
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:54.800
going, keep going, don't don't
even keep going to keep talking about something

1186
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.199
else. Do you have an installed? Yeah? Do you really know I'm

1187
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.960
playing constantly? Yeah, keep keep
going, just keep wait. I thought

1188
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.039
you quit. I never said that. Oh that man, you said that

1189
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:08.600
when I said I'm throwing this away. I've never Yeah, You're totally shitty.

1190
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.640
You totally postured like you were done, like you were audio clips.

1191
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.439
Sometimes. I never said I quit. I said I went to quit.

1192
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:17.279
Okay close. I was under the
impression. We held the microphone up to

1193
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.279
her face and the words I quit
were heard once. Once you realize that

1194
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:25.479
the match of the only match make
you against people who spend more money than

1195
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:29.920
you, it's really hard to fucking
play that game. Yeah, I'm looking

1196
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.319
forward to quitting. Whatever. Whatever
day it was that, I tweeted a

1197
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:36.760
screenshot of the delete dialogue being up
for that app was the last day I

1198
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.920
played that game. I actually deleted
it and haven't touched it since. And

1199
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.840
I'm better off this bump across the
law. So so will you be?

1200
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.079
I know, I get Tap Tap
TI Oh fuck uh Tap my Catamari came

1201
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:55.199
out. Yeah, I'm meant to
play that before this I could talk about

1202
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.159
it. I have totally forgot.
I've played a significant amount of Tap My

1203
01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.560
Catamari. Okay, well, before
we move into not news, tell me

1204
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.760
about that. So it's you tapped
to roll the ball to roll Katamari,

1205
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:08.319
and it rolls up stuff, and
you buy access to your cousins, and

1206
01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:11.640
that's your offline earning you buy except
for the cousins, and that may they

1207
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.720
make the ball roll when you're not
there, all right, uh, and

1208
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:16.680
it only ends like two music tracks
or a few music tracks. It's kind

1209
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.840
of you know. But also your
your sound is off on your phone most

1210
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:23.640
of the time, and so a
lot of the Katamari charm I think is

1211
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:27.600
wrapped up in the the audio.
Best experience with the headings, Yeah,

1212
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:30.760
well, get me to play idole
games the headphones on. Another thing coming.

1213
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.239
I'm not sure that there's a prestige
mechanic. Yet I've played through the

1214
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:39.760
first seventy five levels or so for
seventy five waves. I guess it's technically

1215
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:43.399
the second level, but it seems
okay but not great. It doesn't seem

1216
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.560
like it has a ton of depth
to it. It's no tap Tycoon,

1217
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:48.640
all right, I guess that is
what I'm saying. Should I go get

1218
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:50.800
that? Is that what you're saying? Is it better than Doomsday Clicker?

1219
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:56.640
Yeah? I have. I forgot
that Doomsday Clicker existed until yesterday when I

1220
01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.000
was reorganizing some apps on my phone
when like, oh right, uh,

1221
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.640
tap Tycoon's pretty good. Okay,
it's from the makers of tap Titans.

1222
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.359
I'll go check that out. And
it has so adye has a clan element

1223
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:11.560
to it where you can form up
in groups of twenty five. Okay,

1224
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.760
I appreciate earning potential, yes,
ok yeah, investment groups. They're oh

1225
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.000
wow, all right, that's pretty
good. That does sound good. It's

1226
01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:23.239
a hellish nightmare, all right,
since tap Tycoon or the tap Tycoon,

1227
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:27.399
Okay, I think it's worth that
is my current. That's my pick to

1228
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.079
click. Okay, Hellish nightmare.
It's like a real yeah, well,

1229
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:32.720
hells Nightmare. You should all install
it. Since we're halfway through the Giant

1230
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:36.239
Bombcass Mobile minute here, I've got
one on you. Oh really, yeah,

1231
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.560
we'll hang on before that, I
want to hear Jeff spend the other

1232
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:43.319
thirty seconds talking about Pokemon. Go
oh right, yeah, you got into

1233
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:45.720
the Beata four last week. I
was supposed to get in it. Yeah,

1234
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:47.239
you were invited first and I said
can I get in that? And

1235
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:49.800
then you inquired about it. Then
somehow you didn't get it. You got

1236
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.800
it. I don't know that it
worked, but anyway, it's ended up

1237
01:11:53.800 --> 01:12:00.039
being the nittic nant antic makers of
what Ingress? Right? Yeah, and

1238
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.880
so it's a location based game.
They've they've said as much like Ingress is.

1239
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:09.760
And yeah, so I played it. Not I didn't not play a

1240
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:12.119
ton of it, but there was
one weekend where I spent like a day

1241
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:15.279
or two checking it pretty frequently,
and I specifically went on a walk to

1242
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.840
go catch some Pokemon. I don't
think it's very good. I don't think

1243
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:23.079
it's a very good location based game, and I think it's like a pretty

1244
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:27.600
poor representation of like the things you
want out of Pokemon. Also, is

1245
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:29.960
it is it just Ingress? With
Pokemon or is there mine to it?

1246
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:32.520
You pick a team, there's blue, yellow, and red, and so

1247
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:40.079
gyms will will get taken over by
uh specific colors. So in my neck

1248
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:42.760
of the woods up in Petluma,
everyone had picked red. I picked red

1249
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.439
as well, and so I was
able to fortify a gym by leaving like

1250
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:51.800
a pidgy or something there to you
know, do Pokemon shit and markets territory.

1251
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:56.039
Yeah, basically the build you kind
of so, but you walk around

1252
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.680
uh this, you walk around the
real world. You go on a walk,

1253
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:01.680
You're phone buzzes to say, hey, there's a Pokemon nearby. You

1254
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:05.560
load up the app, tap the
button or tap the Pokemon, and then

1255
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:11.359
it is just a catching sequence.
Like you have poke balls in your inventory,

1256
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.239
you fling them out there with your
thumb. It's an ar situation.

1257
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:16.920
You have to aim it like a
compass so you can fucking miss. So

1258
01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:19.680
it's it's a AR. So you
were at that point the camera is on

1259
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:24.680
and you were looking around your environment
to find the Pokemon and then flinging a

1260
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:27.600
ball. There's a timing element to
it where a kind of circle turns from

1261
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:30.560
green to yellow, which I can't
see with my color blind eyes at all,

1262
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.000
and then you fling that out there
to catch them. You can miss,

1263
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:38.439
you can get bonus XP for curving
the shot at it and it's weird,

1264
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.039
and then you catch it. It's
stats are reduced to like a simple

1265
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:45.319
number from from what they are,
and in kind of traditional Pokemon games,

1266
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:49.680
they have like Stone, they have
the Earthen's the elemental affinity didn't seem like

1267
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:53.920
it was a big deal because the
only time you were actually engaged in an

1268
01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:57.159
actual fight against other Pokemon were if
you went to a gym. And so

1269
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:01.239
I assume if you're visiting a gym, that is and in the gyms in

1270
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:03.800
the our landmarks in the environment.
So in my case, it was like

1271
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:11.239
the local park was a gym.
Uh, this shitty Mexican restaurant with a

1272
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:14.279
bar attached is somehow a gym in
this game. I don't I don't know.

1273
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.439
Yeah, I don't know how Niantic
picks what is what in that game.

1274
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:20.119
But I assume if you load it
up Ingress, because Ingress has towers

1275
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.880
the same way this does, I
assume they're the exact same landmarks. But

1276
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:26.960
but I don't know, and they're
based on actual like businesses and places of

1277
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:29.279
interest and not just like hey,
this is in the middle of the exactly.

1278
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:30.840
Yes, yeah, they're using kind
of Google. You know, this

1279
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.439
is a company that's spun out from
Google, so they had access to all

1280
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:36.000
of Google's satellite and map data and
all this other stuff. So they were

1281
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:41.239
very much kind of leveraging that well
ingrets exist existed, so they could map

1282
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:44.960
like pass in parks, places that
street us they were getting. They were

1283
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:46.199
just getting straight up walking data out
of it. Yeah, that's like they

1284
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.800
would put a they would put a
node at a statue in the middle of

1285
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:53.600
a park, and then they'd see
how people got to that node. That's

1286
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:56.600
that's that's how they get mapped.
Yeah, that's a pretty benign type of

1287
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.600
data to collect. But I still
feel like that still feels like slightly in

1288
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:05.920
city hearing that everything somewhere in the
fine print. Man, Yeah, future

1289
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:09.199
sucks. They like they didn't make
a secret of it at all. Yeah,

1290
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:13.319
yeah, I know, I know, I can't. Can't you just

1291
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.279
do something for fun? Though?
What's what's is Nintendo trying to make street

1292
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.039
maps for like this isn't even this
is just Niantic making it Nintendo. So

1293
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:24.960
it's the Pokemon company Nintendo, and
so that's a little different. Uh,

1294
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:29.479
and so I think this is just
them continuing down that path even further.

1295
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:30.439
But at that point, at this
point, they're also probably just trying to

1296
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:34.279
make money, okay, And I
mean it makes sense. The game makes

1297
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:39.359
theoretical, yes, Like I love
the idea, like I love the idea

1298
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:41.760
of ingress as well. It's just
that too many people had played it by

1299
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:44.720
the time it came out on iOS, so all my area was already so

1300
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:47.239
fortified that I would have had to
go make friends with people if I wanted

1301
01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.640
to actually do anything. And that
well, how often is this thing buzzing

1302
01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:54.520
in your pocket? Like on a
typical you know, like one or two

1303
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:58.039
every block or yeah, it's it's
pretty frequent. But I imagine if you

1304
01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:00.560
if you've got a bunch of them, eventually it might say, all right,

1305
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.319
we're not going to give you anymore
because at some point you're getting too

1306
01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:06.720
many Pokemon you might unbalance. Or
if you if you could set some interval

1307
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.840
where it's like, hey, only
alert me a maximum once per x hours,

1308
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:13.319
you know, so you just ignore
it sometimes. How's the how's the

1309
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:15.680
aar stuff? Like is it neat
to see the Pokemon scampering around the environment

1310
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.399
is it's not. It doesn't always
look like it's standing on something. It's

1311
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.439
just like you rotate around until you
see it standing on air and you're like,

1312
01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:24.680
okay, well, like they're not
They're not able to like take a

1313
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:27.800
depth map and have it run behind
stuff or anything cool. It has not

1314
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:31.439
been great. And so with the
fights are like you when you go to

1315
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:33.840
a gym, you can fight,
even if it's the gym is controlled by

1316
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:38.640
your color. You can go like
fight your Pokemon and train your Pokemon against

1317
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:43.399
the Pokemon that are holding down that
gym for your team. And it's weird.

1318
01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:46.079
It's this thing of like you,
it's real time ish you tap to

1319
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:50.119
attack and swipe a dodge, so
it becomes you watching the enemy Pokemon animation

1320
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:54.199
and trying to swipe out of the
way of its attack and then tapping to

1321
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.920
attack, which when you think about
what Pokemon is, it's very much more

1322
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.640
of a rock paper scissors and the
elemental stuff plus the combined you know,

1323
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:03.079
like you have multiple attacks all the
other stuff. It's not a timing based

1324
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:09.199
thing. Yeah, and so it
just didn't it felt inauthentic to the Pokemon

1325
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:13.319
brand. I guess I would say
they took It's like they took it's like

1326
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:15.800
the Mortal Kombic clips. They took
the wrong part of the Pokemon. Yes,

1327
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.000
definitely. Uh, they did not. They did not capture the feel

1328
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.479
of real Pokemon at all in this
thing. It just it just feels like

1329
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:26.840
a game that they slapped together and
they just happened to have the Pokemon license.

1330
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.760
So it's poke balls and coughings and
pigies and you know, there was

1331
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:33.279
that moment where you were standing in
the office last week and you're about to

1332
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.800
leave and then you're like, wait
a minute, there's coughing around here somewhere.

1333
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:39.720
Yeah, it'll just like it was
coughing within one hundred meters, and

1334
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:42.159
I was like, fuck, fuck, but it won't tell you which hundred

1335
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.840
meters you need to walk in straight
up. There's no hot and cold type

1336
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:47.039
stuff at all. That stuff's weird. I think it's I think that mostly

1337
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:49.920
just means hey, if you walk
for a while, oh we'll tell you.

1338
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:54.520
Yeah. But I'm not really sure
not that, so, I don't

1339
01:17:54.520 --> 01:18:00.239
know. The interactions felt really flimsy. Uh. It's attachment to the orse

1340
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:03.840
material also just feels really thrown together. So I don't know, like I'm

1341
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.880
not some Pokemon purist. I think
the head of a Nyanta got out there

1342
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.800
and it stay like, hey,
our goal is not to catch them all,

1343
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.479
like like every other Pokemon game that's
ever existed. Uh, you know,

1344
01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:17.640
probably in the wake of some of
the criticism out of this this beta

1345
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.159
getting out to some of the media, but it just seems like a bad

1346
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:27.399
product and or you know what,
it feels like a really good first beta

1347
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:30.439
of a product. But they're launching
it this month and it's gonna be free

1348
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:32.279
or is it? It'll have to
be Yeah, were there any any indications

1349
01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:35.439
of how they're going to monetize this? So you will need uh, you

1350
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:40.039
need put some There are two types
of currency you need to level up your

1351
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:46.039
Pokemon, and it's like juice it
licks or I Pokemon eat, and then

1352
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:50.479
also candy that is specific to that
Pokemon. So you'll need like Pitchy candy,

1353
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:55.359
you'll need squirrel candy, and like
what the fuck is that? And

1354
01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:59.399
that's just I'm not gonna launch becase
I think it won't work right now.

1355
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:04.039
But yeah, so you can go
to poke A stops, which are lesser

1356
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:08.479
landmarks in the environment, and those
are a little more randomly placed, so

1357
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.439
if you're within range of one of
those, you can spin it to get

1358
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:15.520
like a few poke balls and other
itemosphere your inventory. I suspect that that

1359
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:17.239
will be where they kind of build
the shop around, is like, hey,

1360
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:19.680
you can buy gold, and then
you can use that to buy a

1361
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.439
bunch of poke balls or a bunch
of better poke balls, or these these

1362
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:27.039
elixirs or whatever you need to level
up your guys. That's probably where they'll

1363
01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:29.760
make their money, or they'll try
to. But you don't ever fight other

1364
01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:31.359
people in the environment, Like if
you're walking around and you see somebody with

1365
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.439
it. If you're red and you
see somebody who's yellow, then you don't

1366
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:39.159
have like a trainer battle. I
don't think that's the case, but I

1367
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:45.600
guess I don't know because I didn't
encounter any other human players. So conceptually

1368
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:49.319
that stuff sounds pretty cool. Yeah, I was exciting. I love the

1369
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:53.199
idea. I mean, like,
if if you think about the like and

1370
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:56.159
it was the thing I loved about
Ingress, you know, just conceptually was

1371
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.000
like that idea of like, hey, we're these warring factions and as we

1372
01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:01.640
walk around the world, shit's gonna
happen, Like, that's really cool.

1373
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.600
I carry that chain around my yea
belt and I went for a walk.

1374
01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:12.600
That's nice. Yeah, but the
stuff like a like trying to actually go

1375
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.279
for a walk with someone and then
going like, hang on a second,

1376
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.680
I need to stop again, like
every you know, every half block to

1377
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:23.399
fuck around with my phone is dumb. But then also I just feel like

1378
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:28.720
it doesn't capture any of the feel
of Pokemon along the way, Like it

1379
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:31.319
just it just feels really off,
like in a way that like it just

1380
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:35.439
feels like the game made by some
other team that doesn't really understand why Pokemon

1381
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:39.520
is great. I want to walk
into a room and it'd be like the

1382
01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:43.000
trainer battle and then you see Brad's
picture come up and like I have to

1383
01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.720
fight fight by Squirtle again. This
thing that though, and I think Ingress

1384
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:49.399
ran into some of this in a
different way. If you saw Brad's picture

1385
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:53.840
come up and you had a trainer
battle, someone would eventually walk over and

1386
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:57.319
smack the phone out of Brad's hand
and win. Yeah, yeah, this

1387
01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:01.399
is actually happened. So no,
the thing that happened with Ingress. Ingress

1388
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:06.560
doesn't expose players that way either.
But apparently some people with Ingress were like

1389
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:13.239
building fences and fucking setting booby traps
to stop people from getting close to some

1390
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.840
Yeah, to stop people from getting
close enough to some of these locations to

1391
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.840
take them back. If that's amazing
or terrifying or both both both. Yeah,

1392
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:25.600
yeah, wow, people took that
game really seriously home. Yeah.

1393
01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:30.239
Uh so that stuff's scary, Yeah, sure enough. And so Nintendo had

1394
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:32.760
no involvement in this whatsoever, right, doesn't far as you know, it's

1395
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:38.239
just company Nintendo owns some portion of
Yeah. But uh but yeah, those

1396
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.159
this has nothing to do with Nintendo's
a big No, this is not part

1397
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.640
of their big push. This is
a different thing or the two they're working

1398
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:48.439
on, animal crossing and fire fire
fire arm right. Their shareholder call said

1399
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:53.720
that they would have five mobile apps, uh, including Metamo in twenty sixteen.

1400
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:57.760
I have fis fiscal probably, I
think it's probably fiscal and that ends

1401
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:00.479
in March. Yeah, okay,
you I should tender for my expectations after

1402
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.920
me Tomo, But I'm just dying
to see what they do with animal crossing,

1403
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:08.840
like a first step from that,
you know. Yeah, yeah,

1404
01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:11.279
like if you want to do an
avatar based game, you got to build

1405
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.079
the avatar thing. That's just true. And then you know, and I

1406
01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:16.359
have no illusion that this animal Crossing
thing is going to be a full animal

1407
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.319
crossing you know, it's not going
to be a three S game, but

1408
01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:20.359
well yeah, I mean that would
be the ideal scenario. But even if

1409
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:24.159
it's like some decent subset of that, how cool is that to have that

1410
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:26.439
in your pocket at all times,
just at the ready, you know?

1411
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:30.800
And you know, I think as
we look at you know, the future

1412
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.319
of Nintendo's games on you know,
on the NX and stuff like that,

1413
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:38.119
if you start to look at those
as potentially tying into these mobile games,

1414
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:42.319
then you start to get like,
okay, well now you can have your

1415
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.319
phone be the equivalent of a Pokemon
Mini or a VMU or something like that.

1416
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:48.000
You know, if they if they
go that far and actually time together,

1417
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:51.000
I think there's some cool stuff they
could do with with the next full

1418
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:55.199
animal Crossing game on NX. Yeah, if they tie it into this mobile

1419
01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:57.159
thing, well, and you look
at all the cool stuff they've done over

1420
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.479
the years with like the three DS. Is when a three D S meets

1421
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:04.039
another three DS, interesting things happen. Nobody fucking carries their three ds except

1422
01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:06.399
for kids, and I think even
them, But everybody has their phone with

1423
01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:10.760
them all the time, so like
you can do the same stuff. Yeah,

1424
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:14.000
but then doesn't everyone have to leave
their Bluetooth on and train their battery

1425
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.600
the bluetooth elly stuff. It's it's
like it's low enough that it's fine.

1426
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:20.199
Would it have to be Bluetooth?
You can do it with the location data

1427
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:27.600
too and get the server, but
the stuff will probably an actual better you.

1428
01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.079
Look, you're you can go to
Google and see a path of everywhere

1429
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:31.279
you've been in the last like six
years since you've got a phone and put

1430
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.199
the Google app on. It cool
unless you turn it off, unless I

1431
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:40.159
think I might well not Google Maps. But but my my arrow is not

1432
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:43.920
on. My arrow is on your
look, the arrow is always on.

1433
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.239
There must be a coughing nearby.
But yeah, right, yeah, all

1434
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.119
right, real quick? Will what's
your train? Do you guys? Play?

1435
01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:51.880
Tracky train? Racky train? Is
it? Is it in the vein

1436
01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:56.520
of crossy road? And the road
is it like smashy road? Is it

1437
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.680
like flail Rider? I haven't played? Wasn't there? Also? What was

1438
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:02.600
the other one you mentioned? That's
the one I've been trying to think of

1439
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:06.520
tracky train. You drive a little
car that makes train tracks, and you

1440
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:10.359
have to make the train tracks,
go buy passengers and pick up coins,

1441
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:15.119
okay, and you can cross the
tracks sometimes but not always, and you

1442
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:17.840
pick up passengers and occasionally you'll get
to a train station and picking up passengers

1443
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.159
and going through the train station slows
down the train. That's always on your

1444
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:26.279
ass. Okay. So it's Gary
turned me on? Gary what it turned

1445
01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:29.159
me on to this? And it
is it's the first of the crossy road

1446
01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:32.199
alkes that I've actually liked. I
actually smashy Road. I think it's pretty

1447
01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:36.359
good. It's like it's GTA.
It's GTA. You are it is you

1448
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:40.119
are getting away from the cops.
There are stars, they are eventually helicopters

1449
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:42.239
and bigger trucks okay, but you
just have to get away for as long

1450
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:45.119
as you can, and you occasionally
pick up dollar bills along the way,

1451
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:46.479
just like that, but with trains
and passengers. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

1452
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:49.479
I'm gonna have to go back and
relisten to the segment. Smashy Road

1453
01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:57.680
A vital legend. Tracky Train Trenched
Trent Trent Trench trenchy trench, trenchy trench,

1454
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:00.000
steppy pants, eppy pants, steppy
hands. All right, okay,

1455
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:03.960
this is all right. Clail Rider
flail Rider. Flail Rider is like Smashy

1456
01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:06.439
Road, except you are a car
towing a flail and you have to do

1457
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:11.920
donuts to make the flails. Building. That sounds That sounds good and it's

1458
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:15.199
kind of cool. I feel like, yeah, I feel like we're at

1459
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:19.199
this inflection point where someone has to
come up with a good term for games

1460
01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:24.359
that stole cross the roads shit,
yeah, yeah, like yeah, okay,

1461
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:29.439
done road alis just call it a
mobi. Emobis an emotional mobile.

1462
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.359
Everything is moving though, and nothing
is. What's the what's the GTA one?

1463
01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:36.039
That is smashy rush, smashy road. Okay, all right, I'm

1464
01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:39.560
selling all. I feel everybody,
get your down. I would normally feel

1465
01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:42.000
bad about this, but I assume
that everybody's doing this right now at homes.

1466
01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:44.880
I'm not. I gotta just run
the show. Hurry up and down.

1467
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:46.920
Kamari too, and let's go.
Okay, I'm gonna like Katamari.

1468
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:50.439
If I don't care about tap games, No, I love No because it's

1469
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.960
not even the best tap game and
it captures very little of the Katamari stuff.

1470
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:57.960
So I just ate it right now. Uh yeah, probably it's it's

1471
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:00.680
it's it isn't Okay, I I
game, but it is no tap tycoon.

1472
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:04.760
Okay, all right, as I
said, very slowly, we can

1473
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:09.560
news. Uh, counterstrike go is
rotten with gambling, another shady business.

1474
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:14.079
That situation seems to be developing on
a daily basis. Yeah, and there's

1475
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.880
a BioShock. Yeah, there's another
new new layer to the skins. Yeah.

1476
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:21.479
I'm hitting them skins, Yes,
every day. We will keep our

1477
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:26.640
eye on that and see if you
guys should make heads to do find out

1478
01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:29.920
what what how to how to get
into that. Yeah, we're launching our

1479
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:34.239
own skin gambling site and its giant
bomb dot com slash Skins with z and

1480
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.399
when we get that thing launched,
don't go there now. Nothing's there right

1481
01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:42.319
now but two broke girls. Yeah
pants, we have two broke girls torrents

1482
01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:46.760
for pay. That's also nice.
Uh. So we got a couple other

1483
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.840
things lined up here in lieu of
the news segment, Jeff, you sent

1484
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:55.880
over the results of the three Critics
Awards. Yeah, yeah, those those

1485
01:26:56.199 --> 01:27:00.600
we would quickly run down that list. We're part of the judging panel for

1486
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:04.079
that. So we sent around some
notices and said like, hey, I

1487
01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:06.640
need to fill out these nominations.
Did was this game good? With this

1488
01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:09.279
again? Good? Based on some
of the people who saw him, and

1489
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:11.800
I pull that out and set it
in and now we picked some winners,

1490
01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:15.600
and then every other publication that was
involved also picked winners, and then they

1491
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:17.479
put them together for the actual winners. Uh some of which I agree with

1492
01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:19.960
this which I don't guess how it
is every year. Uh. Well,

1493
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:26.279
with that said, let's go through
the list. So what people think Right

1494
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:29.600
from the top, Best of Show
was Zelda. Yeah, which probably could

1495
01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.479
have seen coming a mile away.
Seems safe. Yeah, this is a

1496
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.239
weird split. I might not have
I did, in fact, I did.

1497
01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:41.119
We give that number one Horizon.
We give it Horizon. That's that

1498
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:43.800
was your ballot or are you're talking
about the that our list that we did

1499
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:47.000
on this show based on our list, our very bonding list that came out

1500
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:51.239
of the shot typically our vote for
best of Show. Also, Horizon did

1501
01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.840
win Best Original Game, which seems
like a weird split. Well, best

1502
01:27:55.880 --> 01:28:00.439
Original Game means it's not yeah,
it's new I p which is Horizon.

1503
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:08.319
Horizon is the Rilla games of the
worldwide, Dinosaurs, future robots, robot

1504
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:13.119
animals. It looks really cool.
Zelda took Best Console Game, Sieves six

1505
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:15.279
took Best PC Game. I guess
they're probably not a lot of games in

1506
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.800
that category, right, Well,
how everything is technically coming to PC?

1507
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:25.000
I think the or I assume that
the guidelines for voting on this stuff involved,

1508
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:29.119
like it was the game shown on
a PC, which in some cases

1509
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:30.760
a lot of console games get shown, like we played Tech and seven on

1510
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.359
a piece, even even games that
will never actually come out on a PC

1511
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:38.079
or sometimes shown on a PC.
Right, So that that's always a little

1512
01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:41.520
Yeah. I feel like a lot
of these world categories are very strange because

1513
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.760
they're they're rooted in genres that like, with every game being cross genre these

1514
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.520
days, it's always really weird to
nail these things down, like what's a

1515
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:50.960
role playing game? Or so what's
an action adventure? Like that's a that

1516
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.600
can be a blurry line for sure, that new Zelda role playing game because

1517
01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:58.199
there's inventory and like, yeah,
I mean I would I would call it

1518
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:00.760
an action adventure game. Yeah,
that stuff is more like a survival game

1519
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.920
than an RPG. From what I
saw okay, taking a level up in

1520
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:09.840
a Zelda adventure, can they tell
you? Okay, but the weapons have

1521
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:13.560
stats? Yeah? Assigning points though, is the is the is the gap

1522
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.640
skill points? Okay? Yeah?
Sure, Yeah, that's a that's a

1523
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.399
very That's probably not the only dividing
line, but yes, that is.

1524
01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:21.560
That is probably a firm one.
They're not quite there, but they're getting

1525
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:27.119
there. Best VR game was Batman
Arkham. VR could not which stream more

1526
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:30.439
could not until I heard you,
like describe the full thing based on you

1527
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.520
talking to them, I didn't realize
it was a game. It seemed very

1528
01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.960
much tech DEMOSK. Yeah, well, you know a lot of E three

1529
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:42.039
demos are that way right right,
throw on plates at Alfred or something like

1530
01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:44.880
that. I didn't see. I
only saw the Detective Vision stuff. I

1531
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:47.880
didn't see Nightwing and all that stuff. Yea, yeah, but it is.

1532
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.079
It is a product that they were
making them we'll sell, so I

1533
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.000
guess it does count. Yeah as
a game, there were, but there

1534
01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:56.720
were a lot of come out as
a product that the thing was not that

1535
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.800
impressive. In fact, seemed kind
of like old. Even walking around that

1536
01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:04.119
PlayStation VR event, that seems like
they're way more fully formed R experiences there

1537
01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:11.560
than than the Batman stuff. Agreed, but not solely our awards. Yes,

1538
01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:17.880
Best Hardware PlayStation VR, will any
thoughts on that headset as a valued

1539
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:23.960
partner. I'm very excited. Oh
I see uh to see that PlayStation VR

1540
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.760
picked up some awards show, all
right. I think it's great that they

1541
01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:30.239
have. I think it's really great
that they have a low cost headset coming.

1542
01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:34.039
I'm I was kind of worried about
the games that they showed, just

1543
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:38.680
in terms of making people sick and
the fact that they're going to have this

1544
01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:42.359
mass audience and if the games that
are coming out that people are like existing

1545
01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:45.319
franchises that break a lot of the
rules of VR and are going to make

1546
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:49.640
people motion sick right out of the
gate like that. That is like,

1547
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:53.640
I'm much more excited about Super Hypercube
and what's the thing where you hit the

1548
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:59.000
soccer balls in headaster, Yeah,
I always get that in head Like I'm

1549
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.600
much more excited about those kinds of
games that are made for VR things.

1550
01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:05.800
Super Hypercube is so good. It's
really good fun, it's awesome, it's

1551
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:11.119
super fun to play. It uses
the kind of the unique aspects of VR

1552
01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:14.159
in creative ways because it makes you
you lean around to see stuff, and

1553
01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:17.159
and just the look of it,
like the style is perfect hole in the

1554
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:21.880
wall, it's awesome. Yeah,
it's a really coold So yeah, I

1555
01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:25.720
would have rather seen more stuff like
that than than like Metal, than like

1556
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.560
Final Fantasy. And yeah, I
think that's the stuff. Like I get

1557
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:32.119
why a developer of a big game
like Batman, like Final Fantasy, like

1558
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.680
why they might not want to commit
resources to develop a full game. Absolutely,

1559
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:40.359
but these like Bolton experiences, like
especially in Final Fantasi's case, just

1560
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.840
seem like a huge step backwards to
make or make it something you can get

1561
01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:45.600
up and walk around the room and
explore it, like like, look,

1562
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:50.159
I can tell you people are really
excited about exploring environments from video games firsthand.

1563
01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:54.920
Something they are it's fun, they're
excited about it. It's good.

1564
01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:58.079
You don't have to make a weird
game that's going to make people barf.

1565
01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:00.880
You can just put them in a
cool environment from your game. And that's

1566
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:04.159
what the day sex thing is like
with the they're putting that out, I

1567
01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:08.680
think I want to say it's free. It's part of their like a benchmark

1568
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:11.079
tool for DA SX, which seems
like a weird thing to put out for

1569
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.600
that game. They did it last
time too, though. Okay, all

1570
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:15.199
right, well so there's a there's
a VR component to that where you can

1571
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:17.600
just walk around three or four of
the environments for the game. Like that's

1572
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.920
that's enough for me. That sounds
cool just because those those environments are going

1573
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:25.079
to be very nicely produced being part
of a big Triple A game like that,

1574
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.840
you know, I mean, yeah, yeah, when you put somebody

1575
01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:30.000
in an environment that that twenty people
worked on for a month, yeah,

1576
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.199
then you're going to look at it
and be like, this is fucking awesome

1577
01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:35.439
total like the Firewatch stuff that you
guys did, like like largely for that

1578
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.680
reason. It was just like,
oh, fire Watch itself does not have

1579
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.520
VR in it, but this is
a chance to explore that. I felt

1580
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:44.760
relatively underwhelmed by the day sex thing, I'll say, just because you use

1581
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.319
it, there was there was nothing
to interact with. That's the Yeah,

1582
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.399
yeah, I get interactive. I
guess that only stays interesting. Yeah.

1583
01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:54.199
So it's just like you're looking at
it on like, yep, that looks

1584
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:56.920
like these textures, but in my
face, if it could be a three

1585
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:00.520
sixty video and you wouldn't have any
appreciable difference, and there's no reason that

1586
01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:02.079
is not. Okay, yeah,
I guess the Firewatch stuff you guys did.

1587
01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:04.279
It was a large part of the
appeal was being able to pick up

1588
01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:08.079
the objects and like look at the
back of them and see things that you

1589
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:11.800
could never see playing the real game, like the day sex thing. I

1590
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:15.159
want to load up that one of
those computer interfaces and use their fucked up

1591
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.079
future like computer interface, right,
just see how that stuff like, let

1592
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:20.279
me noodle around with that in VR? Do the do the prosthetic arms stuff

1593
01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:25.039
the JEFT did and realized that VR. Yeah, those arms are neat,

1594
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.199
aren't they? Yeah? Yeah,
there was a moment there where I was

1595
01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:30.279
like, what if I got off? No, yes, there's a Johns

1596
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:34.319
Hopkins is a team that has direct
neural interfaces that they inject. They put

1597
01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:40.680
like things into people's brains. Do
it and but but but the brain reacts

1598
01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:43.880
to them as if it's a far
invader. So so like they have neural

1599
01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:46.680
control over a really high fidelity robot
arm. Yeah, but only for like

1600
01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:51.439
three months and then they yeah yeah
yeah, so like the plaque grows on

1601
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:54.800
the electrodes and then they're no good
anymore, and you want to do more,

1602
01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:56.840
but it stays in their heads,
you don't like I think they pull

1603
01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:59.039
it out or something. No,
yeah, I don't know how that works.

1604
01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:01.399
I didn't ask about that. Is
there is there not any like immunosuppressive

1605
01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:04.159
type stuff you can do. That's
like they're doing the research to find out

1606
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:06.760
how they can make that last longer
and if like they need some sort of

1607
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:11.760
brain teflon or something. And and
but like the dudes who do it are

1608
01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:16.880
are the people who go in and
try those studies are heroes because they're doing

1609
01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:18.960
it. Yeah, and they're not
going to ever be able to do it

1610
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:23.840
again, or at least that's that's
what they assume going in and they do

1611
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:26.159
it for three months, they regain
the use of a hand, and then

1612
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:30.159
then it goes away. Super sad. Sorry, three months better than no

1613
01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:31.840
months, I guess. Well.
Yeah, and there's helping people to come

1614
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:35.000
after them, right, Yeah,
for sure, theoretically at least. Uh

1615
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:41.560
let's see best action game Battlefield one. A lot of games in that category.

1616
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.159
Uh yeah, like you said,
best action adventure games ALDA. Yeah

1617
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.760
it's an action adventure, ye,
say the E three critics. Yeah,

1618
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.840
and then you end up yeah,
stuff like where's Dax fall. Well,

1619
01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:55.319
Dax has a skill tree and Discs
has that sort of stuff, so I

1620
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:58.359
think that would go RPG also be
a shooter, right, But then but

1621
01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:00.600
then best RPG went to Final Fantasy
fifteen, which, of course that's kind

1622
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:04.000
of an action game too, but
yeah, that's maybe the least RPG that

1623
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:06.600
a Final Fantasy game has been in
years, though it would still be an

1624
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:10.359
RPG. And like I said,
genres are super muddy. Like I saw

1625
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:13.680
some people like looking at the nominees
list and getting all up in arms about

1626
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.439
like why some games were in one
genre or another, And I think the

1627
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:19.880
answer is the genres are updated.
Maybe maybe these awards and no awards should

1628
01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:24.359
have genre awards anymore, because it's
just crazy exactly why we stopped doing like

1629
01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:28.520
like so it's been this way for
like five years or just like genre awards

1630
01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.000
or nuts. Yeah. Uh,
Injustice two was the best fighting game.

1631
01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.439
Second seven sounded really good though,
Tech and seven. Yeah, the Injustice

1632
01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:41.640
demo was good. I am excited
about that game. It ran a litle

1633
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.119
framing and stuff like that. I
mean, obviously they'll iron that stuff out,

1634
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:47.640
Whereas like I had a fantastic time
playing Tech and seven. Injustice too,

1635
01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:49.640
You're like, you know this game
will get there, and I'm sure

1636
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:51.880
that you know, when they spent
all the time with it, it'll be

1637
01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:59.039
great. Whereas Tech and seven I
feel like was already great. Let's see.

1638
01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:02.119
Fort Horizon was the best racing game, easily the most talked about racing

1639
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:06.479
games. And I remember it's kind
of a thing category yeah one, uh

1640
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:11.720
what else? There's no need for
speed? This year's kind of a lot

1641
01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:15.640
of the big heavy hitter. It's
not not represented. Yeah, oh Grant

1642
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:21.760
for his sport. And obviously that
was like not not emphasized, not like

1643
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:27.640
you're right Sony's booth, that game
was not on prominent display. Uh sep

1644
01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:32.000
sixth best strategy game. Sure,
Skylanders Imaginators was the best family game.

1645
01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:38.039
Yeah. Uh Steep was the best
sports game. No, you know,

1646
01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:42.720
uh, what are the more original
sports? Yeah it's Steep. It's a

1647
01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:48.159
you be Soft likes game parachuting and
wing suoting and skiing. It's like,

1648
01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:51.199
yeah, it's like you be soft. What looks like youb soft open world

1649
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:56.239
design, but with snowboarding and skiing
and towers mountain sports. I don't think

1650
01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:58.640
so but it is open world,
or they kind of portrayed it that way.

1651
01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:00.239
You can kind of drop yourself the
different peaks and stuff like that.

1652
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:04.800
It Man, I I like snowboarding
games and games like that. I love

1653
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:08.800
SSX and I like the cool boarders
back in the day. This did not

1654
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:11.560
do it for me. Didn't like
the snowboarding, just didn't feel great.

1655
01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:14.159
No, and a lot of the
stuff, like you know, there's four

1656
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:15.520
different things. There's the wing suiting, the snowboarding, you know, blah

1657
01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:18.600
blah bla. Like the wing suitting. It felt like a side activity and

1658
01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:23.920
just cause not like a quarter of
a game, it's just flying through rings.

1659
01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:27.279
It really really didn't do it for
me. And that's out I think

1660
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.920
this year, is it? Yeah, well yeah, we'll see. Uh.

1661
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:36.439
Titan Fall two took the Best Online. Yeah that's a weird category name.

1662
01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:40.760
It's online, the best online,
the best games that you best games,

1663
01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:44.119
this best game that was shown in
a multiplayer capacity that has online support,

1664
01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:47.960
which is again like every multiplayer game
released. Yeah. But uh,

1665
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:53.239
but you know, they did not
show the Call of Duty multiplayer here,

1666
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:58.039
for example, so obviously, so
that that's that's where that that split starts

1667
01:37:58.079 --> 01:38:00.880
to come into play, whereas titan
Fall two was ly shown in a multiplayer

1668
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:04.039
setting, as was Battlefields. Weird
the titan Fall two would win this category

1669
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:09.479
when Battlefield won Best Action Game,
and all the show to Battlefield was multiplayer.

1670
01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:13.000
You know, Uhwards, this is
this is how all the wards end

1671
01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:15.800
up one way or the other.
You know, you could try to apply

1672
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:16.760
a bunch of logic to them,
but at the end of the day,

1673
01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:21.079
it is humans voting on a thing. Yeah, there Destiny. Destiny was

1674
01:38:21.159 --> 01:38:26.119
not shown capacity I did. I
did a short interview for that new expansion

1675
01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:30.239
in which they revealed absolutely nothing that
was not already known. So titan Ball

1676
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:32.920
two was super fun. I had
a great fucking time with that game.

1677
01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:40.079
That's that is? That is maybe? Yeah, depending on what day you

1678
01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:42.720
ask me, I might tell you
that was my game of show. Uh.

1679
01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:47.479
But Horizon is also up there.
Zelda's up there October October okay,

1680
01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.279
Uh. Televid game, Yeah,
at least what I saw of it,

1681
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:54.880
And then Best Indie Game went to
Inside, which I don't remember seeing anywhere

1682
01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:59.520
at the show other than the press
conference. Yeah it was was huh.

1683
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:01.439
I wonder if it was. Maybe
they must have cut it off early because

1684
01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:03.960
I can't imagine they would have just
had the whole game out there. Just

1685
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:06.640
feels weird discussing that as like best
of the three step when it came out

1686
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:10.079
of a weekly. Yeah that was
it was. Yeah, it was technically

1687
01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:13.840
shown at E three. That's a
weird announcement. But it's also also out

1688
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:15.640
right like I had already played the
cold chunk of it before we went to

1689
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:21.000
the show. Uh. Lastly,
special commendation for graphics nonplayable went to God

1690
01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:25.000
of War. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a yeah damn good looking game.

1691
01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:28.600
Yeah sure, I didn't know they
did any awards for playable games. Yeah,

1692
01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:31.000
there's three categories, so there are
categories that everyone kind of submits for,

1693
01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:34.680
but if there aren't enough nominees,
they end up getting dropped. So

1694
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:41.039
there was one for like sound that
wow that you know sound, you giving

1695
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:44.399
out a sound award. It allowed
a loud show for crazy. Uh,

1696
01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.640
it is hard. I didn't realize
you're just kind of opt out of categories

1697
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:49.960
as a judge. Yeah, it's
well, it ends up, you know,

1698
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.319
because like if you're the judge that
doesn't and it's why we do it.

1699
01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:56.680
As a publication. I think more
and more of the outlets are doing

1700
01:39:56.720 --> 01:40:00.640
it that way for this stuff now
just because the or so many games at

1701
01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:03.520
the show, like one person cannot
see them all, ye, Whereas it

1702
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:06.359
used to be more about like the
person is the judge, Like that's that's

1703
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:12.960
never really been how we've done this
stuff. So yeah, like sound is

1704
01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:16.119
like you end up a situation where
it's like, okay, like if you're

1705
01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:20.399
the individual and you're like, I'm
not a sports guy, so obviously I

1706
01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:24.560
would leave the sports field blank because
I don't have three games to nominate in

1707
01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.239
that category. Like I could,
I could write in stuff, but you

1708
01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:30.359
know, that's the thing where having
more people on staff and having more chances

1709
01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:33.680
to see stuff than more of those
categories get filled in. That makes sense.

1710
01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:39.000
And it's also I bet why a
game like Steep wins that category because

1711
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:42.119
the makeup of the judges does not
necessarily include a lot of people who like

1712
01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:46.600
care about traditional sports games indeed more
accessible wins or just you know, not

1713
01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:49.840
my injustice over techn or not or
not Bee. I can see that.

1714
01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:53.039
Not this year's Madden, you know, like that's not going to do much

1715
01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:56.000
for most of the people, right
probably and work in the games press,

1716
01:40:56.039 --> 01:41:00.319
and every year they would show off
all the ya's traditional sports lineup to judges.

1717
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:03.279
They did not do that this year, but they would show it off

1718
01:41:03.279 --> 01:41:05.680
to everybody and you'd sit through the
presentation and go like, oh, right,

1719
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:10.439
this, I am absorbing everything you're
saying. And it's animation stuff you're

1720
01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:13.520
working on. Sounds very interesting,
but you are still making a soccer game,

1721
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:15.760
right, and there's only that's only
going to go so far with me

1722
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.880
as an individual, So that the
sweat rendering fan fucking task, that's great.

1723
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:23.199
No, I don't know. It's
always it's always like you can turn

1724
01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:25.760
around the ball in a much tighter
arc, right, every year they get

1725
01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:29.319
a little tighter on on that turn. Sweat is very last generation though.

1726
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:33.920
Sorry, yeah, god, I've
been twenty three last generation and you didn't

1727
01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:36.119
go at all the last couple of
years. I went last year, and

1728
01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:40.359
they before we just for we would
go in for a VR stuff, just

1729
01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:43.359
for like a fly in in the
morning and then stay through the night and

1730
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:45.840
leave the next day. Even even
test towards the end of tested for you,

1731
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.279
you guys were going for like a
day, right, I mean,

1732
01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:53.199
like I remember on the new console
year, I came for four days or

1733
01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:56.439
something the year that you guys were
at the porn set. Yes, right,

1734
01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:00.840
and then every other year we would
come in like fly, take the

1735
01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.000
six o'clock flight, be at the
show when the floor open, go do

1736
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.760
VR stuff all day, and then
have like the morning of the next day

1737
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:09.720
just in case we didn't get all
of the stuff and then we need to

1738
01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:12.520
get done. Come and we would
usually leave the next morning. That's so

1739
01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:14.920
crazy to think of the three being
like a day day and a half.

1740
01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:17.800
Let mean we spent type days.
Yeah, okays out, I take you

1741
01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:24.439
three overseas any day. That's fair
man, dark times. Nothing being in

1742
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:28.119
Vegas for eight days is never It's
not right. I went to Vegas for

1743
01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:32.680
eight days on vacation and it was
the worst decisions ever made. I've got

1744
01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:35.640
I've got a pretty hard seventy two
hour rules. I would say, I

1745
01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:41.239
would just say forty eight many three
days. Although times where I just never

1746
01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:43.800
want to go to Vegas. Now, yeah, well I go. I

1747
01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:45.319
go to I go and eat because
there's good restaurants there. Like, there's

1748
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:48.680
amazing world class restaurants there now,
and I'll go for like three dinners and

1749
01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:54.119
then leave. There's a ton of
good like not deleterious stuff to do in

1750
01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:57.840
Vegas. But the problem is the
potential for bad decisions that surrounds you well,

1751
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.159
and the fact that you have to
walk through the asthma of bad decisions.

1752
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.920
Yes, that's what I mean.
Like you will and inevitably you will

1753
01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:08.439
do bad things for the pressing that
you need to leave. Yeah. I

1754
01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.000
just don't like gambling that much.
Yeah, I like the circus circus.

1755
01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:14.479
It's so fucking weird the worst.
It's really bad. They were like a

1756
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:17.399
bunch of murders there years ago,
or not a bunch, but there were.

1757
01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:21.000
There were a couple. Uh yeah, it was just like in the

1758
01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:25.680
hey day of organized crime or no, I mean yes, the nineties.

1759
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:30.720
Yeah, so yeah, I don't
know, it's it's a dark, dark

1760
01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:36.319
place. Uh all right, I'm
gonna give you guys like ten minutes or

1761
01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:41.239
less if you don't need to talk
about PCs and whatever. Okay, Jeff

1762
01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.880
wants to build new PC, right, Yeah, there are new video cards

1763
01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:45.720
out. You still have that thing
we built for you attested years ago.

1764
01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:50.840
Yes, I the yes, I
the PC that we built, and yes,

1765
01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:54.520
upgrading video cards so it's up to
a nine eighty now. I have

1766
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.239
probably put some RAM in an SSD
in it. I got thirty two gigs

1767
01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:01.079
a RAM and that thing it's got
ans D. Okay, Uh, there's

1768
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.520
something about me and RAM. I
just if the slots are there, I

1769
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:08.399
want to fill the slots. Did
you just did you just know what I'm

1770
01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:10.720
saying. Carve half of that out
and make a RAM disc out of it.

1771
01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:14.840
At a certain points, it's not
worth that unless you're doing something real.

1772
01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:18.359
If you need a scratch disc for
premiere or something, then it's maybe

1773
01:44:18.439 --> 01:44:21.079
worth it. But most people,
so I do. I do audio stuff,

1774
01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:27.239
uh, and so I end up
loading enough plugins in some projects that

1775
01:44:27.359 --> 01:44:30.359
the RAM starts to make sense.
You can, like if you're using isotope

1776
01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:33.079
heavy or even like audition or logic
or something like that. Logic some MEC

1777
01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:35.800
only, but you can use enough
RAM with the audio. Yeah, I'm

1778
01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:40.119
loading enough stuff that is it does
fat loops. Yeah, it ends up

1779
01:44:40.119 --> 01:44:43.239
being more than sixteen and something.
Yeah, okay, fair enough. So

1780
01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:46.159
what so you want to you build
the gaming PC? It's time and and

1781
01:44:46.279 --> 01:44:50.199
yeah. So I've got this machine. It's it's served me well and it's

1782
01:44:50.239 --> 01:44:56.439
still is fine for the vast majority
of games. But with uh, you

1783
01:44:56.520 --> 01:45:01.600
know, the encroachment of VR with
kind of of me running or a monitor

1784
01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:04.479
that's higher than ten eighty and just
kind of looking at where games are going.

1785
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:09.640
It seems like also also ripping my
DVD collection to having a take too

1786
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:12.479
long. You know, they're like
a lot of different factors here, gaming

1787
01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:15.880
and non gaming that make me think
it's probably time. Okay, So you

1788
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.159
want to do DVD ripping, you
want to do video games VR and some

1789
01:45:19.239 --> 01:45:23.800
audio stuff. Yeah, okay,
and you're gonna use your audio interface from

1790
01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:27.000
your old machine, I assume,
Yeah, yeah, that's that Stuff's all

1791
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.880
just use the primarily at the point, it's not that the big cold do

1792
01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:34.159
so on the DVD Blu Ray ripping
front, more cores is better than faster

1793
01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:38.439
cores. Yeah, so I have
a hexachor and I can rip a Blu

1794
01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:43.600
Ray in like an hour and a
half two hours. DVDs take like eight

1795
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:46.800
minutes. Now, it's crazy fast. I would probably be willing to sacrifice

1796
01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:50.399
some of that if it meant for
better gaming stuff. So I was still

1797
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:54.359
thinking quad core, but I don't
know. So you can get a cheap

1798
01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:58.439
hexacore like the like the three hundred
to five hundred dollars hexacor if you're looking

1799
01:45:58.479 --> 01:46:01.039
at that five hundred dollar price point, you won't lose too much gaming performance

1800
01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.720
because most of the games don't hit
CPUs all the way. Are those are

1801
01:46:04.760 --> 01:46:08.920
those even consumer facing products or is
that enterprise level? But there? So

1802
01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:12.199
the thing you want to avoid is
the zons. So the zons are those

1803
01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:15.680
cores fucked really slow for like data
center use. You don't want that,

1804
01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:19.680
you want like the mid range,
and I didn't, I didn't come prepared.

1805
01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:25.439
Yeah, but there's a there's a
five hundred dollars hexacore that the only

1806
01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:29.000
problem with that is they need to
buy a next ninety nine board instead of

1807
01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:32.680
the cheaper boards. So you're buying
quad But the good news is you get

1808
01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:35.600
quad channel memories, so you get
a lot more memory bandwidth. So like

1809
01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:39.279
there's a trade off. The motherboard's
going to be fifty or one hundred bucks

1810
01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:43.600
more expensive, probably your CPU will
be a little bit more expensive. But

1811
01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:47.159
you're, like I said, your
Blu ray ripping time is is way way

1812
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:49.760
low. Sure, it's a totally
valid choice to say I don't give a

1813
01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:53.880
fuck about that, and I'm gonna
I think I think I might go that

1814
01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:58.039
route because there's a finite number of
discs I need to rip, so at

1815
01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.520
some point, I'm I'm about halfway
through this project, so like, at

1816
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:04.920
some point that will be done.
I need to give you my my descripting

1817
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:10.000
image, right, Yeah, so
you look like box or something, And

1818
01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:14.119
dude, I have a folder that
I put ripped mkvs for make MKV into

1819
01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:18.520
and then like two hours later a
completely ripped iTunes size movie comes out nice

1820
01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:21.840
without having to do anything, and
then that just goes into PLEX and I

1821
01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:25.600
have my own, my own Netflix. Yeah. So that's the other thing.

1822
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:28.119
Is I this existing PC that I
have, I'm probably just going to

1823
01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.079
keep up and running as a PLEX
server. I've got like two I've got

1824
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:35.439
three two gig drives in it or
sorry to terabyte drives in it, and

1825
01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:40.000
an ssd uh. I might just
get a four terabyte to throw in there

1826
01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:44.279
as well, But but generally it's
okay on size, especially once I get

1827
01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:46.079
everything off of it onto this other
game. I need a cheap video card,

1828
01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:48.199
right because you don't want to run
a night like you don't want to

1829
01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:51.479
run a big gaming video card.
So I have a nine eighty right now,

1830
01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:55.319
so I think I might just move
that out of this machine into the

1831
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:58.279
new one and not just go buy
a ten eighty right now and just kind

1832
01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:00.199
of wait for wait for that ten
eight to feel old enough to where,

1833
01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:03.119
you know, I get a ten
to get a ten eighty at that point

1834
01:48:03.239 --> 01:48:10.560
or if they yeah, well they'll
do a clock bump, uh process shrink

1835
01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:13.720
probably at one point, like a
year or eighteen months from now. Yeah,

1836
01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:15.800
and you're nine eighties. Fine,
yes, you're not going to suffer

1837
01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:20.560
even with your greater than AP resolution
monitor right until like the third wave of

1838
01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:26.279
VR stuff starts coming out. Yeah, okay, so mid range quad core,

1839
01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:30.840
whatever amount of memory you need,
get an motherboard that is reviewed.

1840
01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:33.720
Well, I've just been going to
PC part Picker and Prime, like I've

1841
01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:39.279
picked like the processor that's seemed like
an I seven sixty seven hundred K seemed

1842
01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:41.760
like the way to go. That
seems right. I mean, that's the

1843
01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:45.039
best quad core you can get.
Skylake. Yeah, that's Skylake. That's

1844
01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:47.600
what that's what you want, and
that's the overclockable one. You don't even

1845
01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:49.239
have to get the K if you
don't want it. Yeah, you can

1846
01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:53.159
save a fifty ye hundred bucks by
not getting the K version, because like

1847
01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:56.720
you're not going to overclock realistically.
Well, so I ended up putting this

1848
01:48:56.840 --> 01:48:59.399
cooler man, I know I'm not
this cooler Master. There was a that

1849
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:01.880
wasn't the h one hundred eye is
pre built water cooled things, the courser

1850
01:49:02.399 --> 01:49:05.800
because they're quiet. Yeah, so
I'm quiet is nice? Like you you

1851
01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:11.720
recommended that fractal design define our five
cases are great use forested builds. Yeah,

1852
01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:15.520
that's that's an awesome case. It's
super quiet like so, so having,

1853
01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.520
especially in an environment where I may
be recording audio, having a quieter

1854
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:20.680
PC is really nice. I will
I will say. I So I've got

1855
01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:24.520
a sixty seven hundred K and I've
got what is the cool Master? Do

1856
01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:27.880
you think that everybody gets its two
twelve two twelve I've got one of those,

1857
01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:31.359
and that thing runs so cool already
that I can't tell that PC is

1858
01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:34.520
on when it's idle. It's it's
like I don't think the fan even runs.

1859
01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:39.359
It throttles itself significantly, and even
at even at high load, like

1860
01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:41.720
I could barely tell that things on. So one of the things that I've

1861
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:45.199
noticed lately with Windows ten and VR
stuff is that I think Steam VR is

1862
01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:48.479
the one that does it. It
cranks you from the balanced profile to the

1863
01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:51.600
high performance Valery was doing that?
Is that? And is that what's doing?

1864
01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:55.399
Valkyrie did that, and then the
problem they had early on is it

1865
01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:59.119
didn't switch you back when you stopped
playing the game everything, which so like

1866
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:01.239
I ended up ref form adding because
everything was fucking pegged at one hundred percent

1867
01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:03.239
even when I wasn't doing the R
stuff. I was like, well,

1868
01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:06.079
my shit is fucked. What's going
on? Yeah, and I was had

1869
01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:09.199
some sort of virus. Yeah,
yeah, I was, Well I thought

1870
01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:12.039
that I just you know, because
I have this, I have a processor

1871
01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:15.159
that triggers the dumb oculus like your
PC does not meet these requirements. So

1872
01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:16.079
I was like, well, shit, I guess it really doesn't because even

1873
01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:19.840
doesn't run for shit. And then
after the format it has happened that I

1874
01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:25.079
formatted right around the time that they
apparently fixed their shit, and oh wait,

1875
01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:28.800
Eve actually runs fucking perfect. Well
it's not a problem. But the

1876
01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:31.279
funny thing is like that actually makes
a difference now because when it's in maybe

1877
01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:35.319
balance is okay, but but quiet
is not. When I'm running in quiet,

1878
01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:40.640
I don't peg seventy frames sixty frames
a second, and Overwatch like I

1879
01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:45.079
have the little this stuff corner.
I was just feels fucking framing when something's

1880
01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.199
really bad with my computer. And
then I switched it back to the balanced

1881
01:50:47.279 --> 01:50:49.960
or high performance profile, and all
of a sudden everything was good. So

1882
01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:55.439
even if you have a CPU controlled
fan, yeah, and you switch back

1883
01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:57.680
and forth between balance and high,
even with the water cooler, it's going

1884
01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:00.279
to crank the fan up on that, which is like, I have that

1885
01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:03.039
water cooler. It's annoy it does
that, but but I don't know that

1886
01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:05.479
it's avoidable, and I don't I
don't I have If anybody knows how to

1887
01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:09.319
fix it, I would love to
know, like posting comments or Twitter or

1888
01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:12.800
something, because because it's it's making
me a little crazy. I just switch

1889
01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:15.000
manually all the time. Okay,
what else you got? What kind of

1890
01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:18.960
SSD you going for? This is? I put a one tearabyte SSD on

1891
01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:25.119
there. The five twelve is not
big enough for all of the audio stuff

1892
01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:28.399
I end up installing. Uh And
so as a result, I've offloaded most

1893
01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:30.760
of my games to not an SSD, which seems to be defeating the purpose

1894
01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:33.239
of having an SSD. But it's
just been how it's how it's going.

1895
01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:36.640
How much sure of those, now
is it? Like, so there's an

1896
01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:43.000
eight forty, same thing, eight
forty that is four hundred bucks. I

1897
01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:45.319
think it's one of the Satas six
g ones. So it uses a satur

1898
01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:49.800
interface what you probably want for your
c drive since you're gonna buy everything else

1899
01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:56.640
nice. Yeah, is an mvmme
drive Okay, that basically is the low

1900
01:51:56.760 --> 01:52:00.520
level interface between the motherboard and the
CPU and the hard drive. And he

1901
01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:04.840
uses PCI Express lanes instead of like
an intermediary part of all. So the

1902
01:52:05.039 --> 01:52:11.600
bottleneck is less about the interface between
the drive and the computer and the speed

1903
01:52:11.680 --> 01:52:14.279
of the flash memory on. So
this doesn't even like this doesn't even go

1904
01:52:14.359 --> 01:52:15.840
into a drive bay at this point. This like plugs into a slot or

1905
01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:20.159
get ones that plug into a slot
there, Like I have one of those

1906
01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:25.840
in my computer home. It's a
fucking nightmare, really, just I built.

1907
01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:29.119
When I built that machine, it
was still a super raw, brand

1908
01:52:29.159 --> 01:52:31.680
new spec even even back in January
when I've built mine, it seemed like

1909
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:35.800
there were some weird compatibility issues between
certain boards and certain drives there. So

1910
01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:39.279
there's there's two ways you can plug
those in. There's you can get an

1911
01:52:39.319 --> 01:52:43.000
M two like one of those most
most high end motherboards have an M two

1912
01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:47.039
slot. Now that will be either
SATAH six G whatever that speck is,

1913
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:50.239
or MVMI. And I think some
of them even switched back and forth.

1914
01:52:50.239 --> 01:52:53.920
I don't know how. I like, I'm I'm out of this world right

1915
01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:59.800
now. There's also a thing called
SATA. There's another spec that's like a

1916
01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:06.520
wide SATA cable does the same thing. Yeah, just just don't don't go

1917
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:10.359
buy a Sata six G drive now
if you're doing this from scratch, right,

1918
01:53:10.439 --> 01:53:14.039
because like you, you don't you
want the bottleneck to be the memory

1919
01:53:14.119 --> 01:53:15.640
on the drive, not the mix
up. So Intel makes one, it's

1920
01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:20.399
the Intel one's expensive, Samsung's I
think the eight fifty series is MVMME.

1921
01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:25.119
So you want to get that unless
it's like if it's a shipload cheap,

1922
01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:27.439
or go for the cheap one,
right right. If it's if it's like

1923
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.359
fifty bucks more, one hundred bucks
more, maybe go for the NBA Okay,

1924
01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:32.359
all right, good to know.
And then and then that also lets

1925
01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:36.520
you do all day the fancy bias. So you but so you don't see

1926
01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:41.159
you know, you don't see the
text screens. You just it goes straight

1927
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:44.279
to like a mouse and keyboard face
and all that stuff, And that all

1928
01:53:44.359 --> 01:53:47.680
means it will boot a lot faster
into Windows because it doesn't have to load

1929
01:53:47.680 --> 01:53:50.119
all the legacy bio stuff. If
you have the nvame thing, that's neat

1930
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:55.760
Okay, And then I threw a
Western Digital black four terabyte in there as

1931
01:53:55.800 --> 01:54:00.399
a secondary drive, and I would
probably add those to taste over time as

1932
01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:02.760
the prices go down. One four
terabytes probably enough for now, considering I

1933
01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:05.880
would be leaving this existing machine up
as a plexbox. I don't need to

1934
01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:09.319
then copy over all my music and
movies and all the other ship. I'll

1935
01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:13.479
just leave that on that machine and
access it remotely. When you look at

1936
01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:15.800
drives, one of the things that
I like to do is look at wire

1937
01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:19.840
Cutter and back blaze. They both
they do fail rates, and they vary

1938
01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:26.159
wildly, even inside like Western Digitals
four terabytes, right, the OEM lens

1939
01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:28.880
will have a really high fail rate
and the consumer ones will have a lower

1940
01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:35.760
vice versus. So look at specific
mode convers the Okay motherboard. You know,

1941
01:54:35.960 --> 01:54:40.359
I just at this point, I
just picked one that was compatible and

1942
01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:46.279
was well reviewed on PC part picker. So it's this gigabyte GA was this

1943
01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:54.880
Z one seventy X. Is it
the XPSL I buy any chance, because

1944
01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:58.000
that's what I have. The LGA
eleven fifty one. That's the socket.

1945
01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:01.319
The socket sized Gaming seven is what
it says. So that's I think that's

1946
01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:04.520
a higher end one than mine.
Mine was like one fifteen. One's two

1947
01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:09.439
hundred. Okay, that's that's like
three models above what I have. And

1948
01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:12.600
that's one of those things where I
don't actually know how much mother board I

1949
01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:15.159
need, to be honest, that's
probably way too much. Probably don't The

1950
01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:17.159
one. The one that I've got
has got like USB three point one ports

1951
01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:20.119
and a top and a Type C
port on it, like it's it's already

1952
01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:23.640
got a bunch of io ship.
Yeah, I probably want to check the

1953
01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:27.119
ports because I'm definitely gonna need I
mean, ideally it would have like at

1954
01:55:27.199 --> 01:55:31.319
least four USB three ports on it. Four USB three. Also also you

1955
01:55:31.359 --> 01:55:34.520
can get like it has headers for
like four more USB three and you can

1956
01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:38.399
get like ten dollars headers because at
this point I'll be, you know,

1957
01:55:39.039 --> 01:55:41.720
like I've got an Oculus hooked up
to this thing now. H So,

1958
01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.079
once Touch comes out, I will
need three USB three's just for that stuff.

1959
01:55:45.239 --> 01:55:46.960
Yeah. Yeah, even a even
a cheaper or cheaper board will totally

1960
01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:49.760
cover you there. Well, So
the place that things get weird is when

1961
01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:55.079
they don't have enough USB three root
hubs. So like my old X ninety

1962
01:55:55.159 --> 01:56:00.199
nine board has two USB three controllers. One's like a as Rock or some

1963
01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:02.800
third party brand, one's the Intel
one. The Intel one doesn't have enough

1964
01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:11.159
root hubs to have Logitech webcam for
streaming the Vibe camera and then the two

1965
01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:14.920
Oculus cameras plugged in all at the
same time without running out of bandwidth.

1966
01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:18.920
So like, like, I don't
know that anybody realistically he's going to keep

1967
01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:21.359
a Vibe and a rift plugged in
all the time. Yeah. No,

1968
01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:25.319
My room is not even enough for
a Vibe, So there you go.

1969
01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:28.439
So I wasn't thinking about like what
if I got a smaller case, but

1970
01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:30.560
I'm because I was thinking if I
do end up with a Vibe, I've

1971
01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:32.600
got a room picked out, but
it is at the other end of the

1972
01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:34.399
house. So it becomes like,
okay, I might have to move this

1973
01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:39.960
PC around so with the handle,
Yeah, I know, but I just

1974
01:56:40.039 --> 01:56:42.359
I don't think I need a handle. I'm not looking to build a GameCube's

1975
01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:45.239
allow these things. Yeah, I
don't want a looud case. This thing's

1976
01:56:45.319 --> 01:56:47.159
quiet and realistically, I'm not going
to move it that often. That one

1977
01:56:47.239 --> 01:56:50.479
kind of has handles on the end. It has like Mackie doesn't. Yeah,

1978
01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:53.359
it's it's easy to handle, like
I, you know, I would

1979
01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:55.359
take it outside to blow up the
dust out of the case and stuff.

1980
01:56:55.359 --> 01:57:00.439
It's it's fine moving that thing around. Ram I ended up sixty four gigs

1981
01:57:00.199 --> 01:57:04.119
g skill riped Jaws. Is that
on the list for that motherboard? It

1982
01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:09.439
is? Yeah, And that's a
d D four twenty eight hundred, which

1983
01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:14.199
seemed like those numbers seemed high for
twenty It will go higher. I've seen

1984
01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:17.680
suggestions that with this the latest round
of Skylakes, the memory band with actually

1985
01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:23.159
matters more than it used to do. Anything about that will yeah, I

1986
01:57:23.199 --> 01:57:26.000
don't know. I seemed like some
conflicting benchmarks out there saying I have the

1987
01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:29.039
bandwidth on the memory you buy actually
makes a difference in frame rates now,

1988
01:57:29.159 --> 01:57:32.760
But I can't imagine that that is
really the case unless you're doing crazy stuff,

1989
01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:38.159
right, Yeah, I'm not necessarily
gonna do that much crazy stuff,

1990
01:57:38.199 --> 01:57:41.159
but somewhat crazy stuff. Yeah,
I don't know, Like I think I

1991
01:57:41.279 --> 01:57:43.640
think that is. I think that
is the brand of ram I have right

1992
01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:46.119
now. Uh look, get the
cheapest stuff that's on the list. That's

1993
01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:50.239
going to be the the clock speed
pre CPU. Yeah, that's the that

1994
01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:53.520
should be the goal there, unless
you're if you're gonna overclock there, all

1995
01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:56.880
bets are off right. I've made
a place in my life where I value

1996
01:57:56.920 --> 01:58:00.520
stability and reliability much much more than
a two percent or ten percent faster performance.

1997
01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:03.039
Yeah. Like, I had my
stuff overclocked a little bit for a

1998
01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:06.000
while, and so I guess like
I you know, I didn't realize that,

1999
01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:12.800
but my existing processor will overclock itself
automatically as needed. Said, Yeah,

2000
01:58:13.039 --> 01:58:15.319
is that different? Okay, So
so the way the way the old

2001
01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:18.319
process, like you're Sandy Bridge,
I think the twenty K. Yeah,

2002
01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:21.479
so it would crank up. If
you're using only one core, it'll turn

2003
01:58:21.560 --> 01:58:24.840
off the other cores are cranking way
down and crank the other one episode.

2004
01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:30.199
It basically reallocates the thermal capability of
okay CPU. Yeah, okay, so

2005
01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:32.760
that'll get it over what it's like
base like. Yeah, but it's still

2006
01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:38.119
within spec. Intel expects it to
do that. Okay, So all right,

2007
01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:41.359
and going stock cooler will work and
all that. Yeah, okay,

2008
01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:44.760
letters and number. Yeah you sign
at last, see that you have?

2009
01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:46.800
Now are you looking forward to when
your PC is too old? I know

2010
01:58:46.920 --> 01:58:49.039
I have a nine eighty. That's
what I know about my piece. It's

2011
01:58:49.039 --> 01:58:55.680
pretty good. I have several USB
ports. Okay that you were blacklock blue

2012
01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:57.960
two black on top and then some
other ones in the back. Okay,

2013
01:58:58.279 --> 01:59:00.760
blue ones are the good ones.
Yeah, I heard that, So I

2014
01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:03.039
put all the more important things in
the blue one. My three point one

2015
01:59:03.079 --> 01:59:06.359
poor is red. Oh wow,
yeah, it gives you extra power.

2016
01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:11.800
Yeah, it's cool. It's yellow. So the only other thing is when

2017
01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:15.279
you do Windows you're going to buy
a disc copy of Windows ume or USB

2018
01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:16.359
thumb driver or something with it on
it. I mean yeah, at this

2019
01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:19.520
point, I guess I would have
to unless if I can get all this

2020
01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:23.720
done by the end of July,
I could probably drum up a Window seven

2021
01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:30.000
key somewhere in my collection of the
upgrade route. So when you the only

2022
01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:32.479
trick is when you install the Okay, so if you do the Windows seven

2023
01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:36.199
upgrade, you have to install it, then upgrade to Windows ten, then

2024
01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:40.800
wipe it, then get a version
of the Windows ten installer. That's for

2025
01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:44.359
the that's not the bios legacy version, and that's for the new stuff,

2026
01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:47.039
right, or that you do the
fast boot because otherwise it'll always fire the

2027
01:59:47.119 --> 01:59:51.840
bios and the This is something I
only have like, like, well,

2028
01:59:51.880 --> 01:59:56.920
you've done this build right lately,
right, Yeah, if you your bios

2029
01:59:57.000 --> 02:00:00.600
and your OS talk to each other
in the it's not called the bios anymore.

2030
02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:03.359
And I can't for it's right,
Yeah, the EFI, the U

2031
02:00:03.399 --> 02:00:08.960
e FI stuff talks to the Windows
in a way now that is in track.

2032
02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:12.680
I have no fucking clue how that
works. It's some dark wizardry.

2033
02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:15.239
It took three tries installing Windows ten
on this machine for it to get to

2034
02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:18.119
for because of the n V and
ME stuff and because of the U e

2035
02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:21.720
Fi stuffing, because I was a
dumbass and wanted to do the UFI boot

2036
02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:25.600
and not the BIOS boot. Yes, so I went through that process when

2037
02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:30.039
I was formatting this PC, where
I thought I could just do a like

2038
02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:32.479
when I went through the like install
Windows ten fresh, because I was coming

2039
02:00:32.560 --> 02:00:38.680
off of the fast ring built the
Windows ten which is a bad place to

2040
02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:40.760
be yeah, and I was like
fuck this, man, I can't do

2041
02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:44.199
this anymore, Like I just I
need to know that this is the Windows

2042
02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:48.239
that everyone else is running. It's
just irresponsible. So I went through that

2043
02:00:48.319 --> 02:00:50.359
process and it was like, oh
no, man, you can't. Like

2044
02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:55.159
I'd installed at USB and I went
through try try to install it, and

2045
02:00:55.199 --> 02:00:57.680
it was like, you can't install
this partition yeah, like okay, well,

2046
02:00:58.039 --> 02:01:01.319
I guess I need to repartition the
drive yet then and formatted C yeah,

2047
02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:04.840
and then was like, oh,
I guess I'm dragging out one of

2048
02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:10.159
my old PCs now and downloading fucking
Windows ten and burning it to a disc

2049
02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:13.239
because that's how I have to install
it. Because it will not install off

2050
02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:16.319
USB. You can make a Uefi
USB key, but the process to do

2051
02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:20.199
that was fairly significant. Charge yeah. Yeah. So this just this was

2052
02:01:20.279 --> 02:01:24.079
the shortest solution I could come up
with, was find this PC that was

2053
02:01:24.079 --> 02:01:27.039
still running Windows ten going up on
my network when it was seven. Rather

2054
02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:30.800
Yes, it had a burner in
it, and I'd have discs everywhere because

2055
02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:32.479
everyone bought discs when they were cheap
and then realized they never needed to burn

2056
02:01:32.560 --> 02:01:36.359
discs anymore. And so I was
able to get it done, but it

2057
02:01:36.479 --> 02:01:40.000
was just it added like nine hours
to this process, and I was like,

2058
02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:43.359
oh, this went from very easy
to now like I'm sitting in here

2059
02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:45.479
all day just kind of pouting,
went fuck man, fuck bloss a whole

2060
02:01:45.520 --> 02:01:47.680
fucking day. So when I when
I installed in this new machine, I

2061
02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:53.159
used the Microsoft's just got a like
make a dootable USB Windows ten Installer utility.

2062
02:01:53.199 --> 02:01:55.279
That's what I did. Use that. Yeah, so you're your older

2063
02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:58.720
machine. Probably I assume introduced some
weird compatibility stuff there, but they didn't,

2064
02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:00.640
so they didn't say anything to me
about like, oh you need the

2065
02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:03.640
Uefi version of this they were talking
about. But so my machine, now

2066
02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:08.039
the guy like machine, from hitting
power to being at the Windows desktop is

2067
02:02:08.079 --> 02:02:12.359
like maybe fifteen seconds. It's oh
yeah, completely nuts. But also like

2068
02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:15.479
I get the gigabyte like your's.
You're on a gigabyte motherboard splash screen looking

2069
02:02:15.560 --> 02:02:18.079
thing with the text or just a
picture. No, no it's not.

2070
02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:23.079
It's not the old school post with
like the eighty eighty columns looking text.

2071
02:02:23.199 --> 02:02:27.079
It's like a nice graphical gigabyte logo
and everything. And then the Windows ten

2072
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:30.520
like animation, booting animation blends with
that. Yeah, like they are the

2073
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:34.880
same screen like the motherboard like post
like the nice looking motherboard logo and the

2074
02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:39.039
Windows ten boot animation all the same
thing. Sad disabled this logo because I

2075
02:02:39.079 --> 02:02:41.600
want to see some gritty ass graph
so I can't get that anymore. That's

2076
02:02:41.600 --> 02:02:44.439
what like, Like turning that logo
off does not give me the old looking

2077
02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:47.159
PC screen gone. Yeah it's not. There's nothing there except for like a

2078
02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:50.680
text prompt that says like hit the
leat for setup. And but yeah,

2079
02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:54.760
like seeing those two things together is
like the OS and the motherboard were the

2080
02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.239
same thing. At a certain point, it was a weird thing. My

2081
02:02:57.399 --> 02:03:00.720
motherboard lets you replace the motherboard logo
with whatever you want. Cool, that's

2082
02:03:00.720 --> 02:03:06.640
awesome. Like its pornography, okay, all right, so hard core pornography.

2083
02:03:06.800 --> 02:03:11.359
Yeah, I was picking locks man. Yeah, and then you see

2084
02:03:11.359 --> 02:03:14.119
the little dots, the spinning dots, and then Knit's in Windows. It's

2085
02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:15.439
really good. Yeah, so you're
like you're on the right track. This

2086
02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:18.760
is good stuff. Just the motherboard
is the only place you can really go

2087
02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:21.880
wrong. Don't buy a cheap,
off brand motherboard if you're planning to use

2088
02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:25.960
this machine for a long time.
Yeah, that's that. My plan is

2089
02:03:26.039 --> 02:03:29.000
to do this once and then not
have to like like I did get you

2090
02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:31.920
got five years out exactly, Yeah, with you know, relatively minor upgrades,

2091
02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:35.800
like I had some RAM go bad
and put a video cards. Yeah,

2092
02:03:35.800 --> 02:03:39.960
a couple of video cards. Don't
cheap out on power supply. Yeah,

2093
02:03:40.079 --> 02:03:42.680
so I ended up picking it's a
brand. I mean, it's an

2094
02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:44.840
e v GA, which is a
brand name, I guess. But I

2095
02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:47.119
picked a seven hundred and fifty What
which is for this power profile? For

2096
02:03:47.199 --> 02:03:49.880
what I've built here is like four
hundred and thirty watts, So I fear

2097
02:03:49.880 --> 02:03:54.000
a seven fifty would cover it.
Yeah, that's probably is fine for one

2098
02:03:54.079 --> 02:03:58.159
video going forward. Probably. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm probably never going

2099
02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:01.760
to be an SLI guy. It's
like SLI. There's a really limited set

2100
02:04:01.760 --> 02:04:04.319
of circumstances where SLI makes sense.
If you have a really if you have

2101
02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:08.319
an older video card, you can
get a second card for almost nothing,

2102
02:04:08.560 --> 02:04:12.199
right, kind of that's a good
idea. You should never unless you're driving

2103
02:04:12.319 --> 02:04:16.560
like three monitors that are four K
or something idiotic. You don't need SLI.

2104
02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:20.279
Don't buy SLI from the get go. Yeah, I've got two monitors.

2105
02:04:20.920 --> 02:04:25.159
It's fun. Yeah, yeah,
you well, I don't want to

2106
02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:27.079
get too deep into the stuff.
You might want to look at thee soonic

2107
02:04:27.119 --> 02:04:30.720
power supplies. There by far the
stable power supplies on the market as far

2108
02:04:30.760 --> 02:04:33.600
as I know, they're not that
quiet always. I've got one at home.

2109
02:04:33.640 --> 02:04:35.800
It's it's okay, it's been totally. Like I said, I can't

2110
02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:39.760
tell that machine is on. So
the thing people ever look at power supplies

2111
02:04:39.800 --> 02:04:45.039
is that steady voltage is just as
important as like total Weiland efficiency is important.

2112
02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:46.039
It's important thing too. So you
can look at that power rating,

2113
02:04:46.079 --> 02:04:49.760
the gold, silver, platinum thing, and I like, I don't think

2114
02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:54.800
it's worth spending money on platinum for
normal people at home. The gold and

2115
02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:58.199
silver you'll want because it basically it's
a measure of how much of the energy

2116
02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:01.319
goes in comes as AC comes out
as DC on the other side. And

2117
02:05:01.600 --> 02:05:05.039
and you want to be like eighty
or higher, okay, because and that

2118
02:05:05.239 --> 02:05:09.199
is that what the rating is,
So like it would gold eight or high

2119
02:05:09.439 --> 02:05:12.760
silver gold is ninety or something.
I don't remember the exact math, but

2120
02:05:12.840 --> 02:05:15.039
okay, but that's the jist.
You good, no, okay, real

2121
02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:16.479
fast, because I'm sure a lot
of people's eyes of glaze over at this

2122
02:05:16.520 --> 02:05:19.640
point. How do you feel about
the current state of GPUs. We get

2123
02:05:19.680 --> 02:05:24.560
We've gotten a lot of people writing
in since the since the tenadies came out,

2124
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.279
and the radio on four eighty is
happening at a pretty low price,

2125
02:05:27.319 --> 02:05:29.199
and so like people keep asking like, hey, why don't you guys talk

2126
02:05:29.199 --> 02:05:32.840
about GBUS and I don't know that
we are. The answer is, like

2127
02:05:32.880 --> 02:05:35.800
a podcast, I'll buy a ten
eighty when they're available and when it makes

2128
02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:39.279
sense to you. But if you
have any thoughts on that that you want

2129
02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:43.279
to, so the four eighty seems
to be the go to, Like it

2130
02:05:43.319 --> 02:05:45.800
seems to like the cheap option now, right, especially if you want to

2131
02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:49.600
like a VR MEN'SPEC capable machine.
I talked about this on another podcast a

2132
02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:53.159
couple of weeks ago, but like, the the interesting thing right now is

2133
02:05:53.239 --> 02:05:59.079
that that Oculus and Vibe shared MEN'SPEC
for for minimum VR hardware the nine seventy

2134
02:05:59.159 --> 02:06:02.279
and whatever CP you and all that
has made a really interesting spot. So

2135
02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:06.640
now there's a target for like minimum
viable that's actually a pretty good computer on

2136
02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:11.760
the PC side, and it means
that there's gonna be a min like that's

2137
02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:15.800
gonna be the floor for your awesome
looking PC game experience for the for going

2138
02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:18.520
forward. So I think as long
as you get something that's better than a

2139
02:06:18.600 --> 02:06:21.880
nine seventy, and like I wouldn't
buy a nine seventy to day, That

2140
02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:25.840
four eighties seems like a good card, but I haven't tested it or used

2141
02:06:25.880 --> 02:06:28.920
it at all. Then the ten
sixty specs got out there, Yeah,

2142
02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:30.800
yeah, I don't know about that
one. Yeah, it sounds like it's

2143
02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:32.920
about on the level of the ft
eighty and they're both they're both roughly in

2144
02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:38.439
the nine eighty ballpark or two hundred
two hundred. Yeah, yeah, it

2145
02:06:38.479 --> 02:06:40.800
sounds like the ten sixties is gonna
get down there. That seems like a

2146
02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:43.680
really good place to be if you
want to have a machine that you can

2147
02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:46.399
that that gives you a lot of
options in the future. And the big

2148
02:06:46.520 --> 02:06:50.039
question always is, you know,
when you're specking out a machine, you're

2149
02:06:50.039 --> 02:06:54.159
picking out a video card, do
you buy the expensive ass video card and

2150
02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:57.560
plan to keep it for longer,
or do you buy the half price video

2151
02:06:57.640 --> 02:07:00.680
card and just upgraded every other year
or every eighteen Right, I think I

2152
02:07:00.720 --> 02:07:04.600
would rather like spend it all up
front and then not worry about it.

2153
02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:09.000
That's kind of how I've always been
with this stuff, Like if you if

2154
02:07:09.000 --> 02:07:11.840
you look at it as a five
or six year upgrade cycle for the CPU

2155
02:07:11.920 --> 02:07:15.720
and motherboard, maybe you add RAM, you upgrade storage as you need it,

2156
02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:17.319
and then maybe like three or four
years in you get a video card

2157
02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:20.479
or you know that you're then going
to carry on to your next yeah build

2158
02:07:20.600 --> 02:07:24.319
or something. Then that's then that's
an okay place to be and that's a

2159
02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:27.680
good strategy. The other the other
strategies equally valid, right, Like getting

2160
02:07:27.680 --> 02:07:30.119
into video card every other every other
year that costs half the price of that

2161
02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:32.800
big one. You end up spending
the same amount of money. It's it's

2162
02:07:32.920 --> 02:07:38.600
it's how It's really about what kind
of monitor you have and how how easy

2163
02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:41.680
is it for you to spend five
hundred dollars versus two hundred dollars. Yeah,

2164
02:07:41.720 --> 02:07:43.760
like if you're running a ten eighty
monitor and I think most people are

2165
02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:45.880
still running into an a video card
you have? Yeah, at this point,

2166
02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:48.640
like whatever do you think that we'll
get to a point where we start

2167
02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:51.640
to name them inspecs again, let's
get back to MPC. This is this

2168
02:07:51.680 --> 02:07:56.800
an Windows experience? Yeah, where's
my Window Experience number here? It's like

2169
02:07:57.000 --> 02:08:00.239
thirty five now probably right? Awesome, yeah, that seems high. No,

2170
02:08:00.640 --> 02:08:03.239
there there is some kind of VR
is that doesn't the vibe have like

2171
02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:05.199
you're an eleven or something like that. I don't know. I think there's

2172
02:08:05.239 --> 02:08:09.119
I think they have a VR spec
number somewhere. I mean that bull.

2173
02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:13.960
The thing that matters is you have
I mean, look, my computer is

2174
02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:20.239
virtual number is bigger than your computers. Yeah, yeah, that shit's dumb,

2175
02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:22.800
all right, computers. Hey,
did you guys talked about to talk

2176
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:28.399
about the Xbox Preview the experience we
had a little bit. I saw a

2177
02:08:28.439 --> 02:08:31.600
demo of it. I haven't used
it, I haven't installed. Even using

2178
02:08:31.640 --> 02:08:37.319
it, it's there are still things
about that OS that just are too clunky,

2179
02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:41.000
like pushing to the left and hoping
that the log in thing is supposed

2180
02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:43.800
to pop out, and then it
just takes too long. There are too

2181
02:08:43.800 --> 02:08:46.760
many things about that OS just in
general, like even on the non Preview,

2182
02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:50.479
the just aren't snappy. It acts, It acts like it doesn't keep

2183
02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:52.000
parts of itself in memory. It
acts like a computer. Yeah, it

2184
02:08:52.039 --> 02:08:54.960
feels like it has It feels like
it has to thrash the hard drive to

2185
02:08:56.039 --> 02:08:58.359
load parts of the interface in from
time to time, and that's not fun.

2186
02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:01.840
Especially if you have a lot of
games, because I know we really

2187
02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:05.479
all have a ton of backwards compatible
Yeah, but I think my list is

2188
02:09:05.760 --> 02:09:07.800
like if I have nothing installed,
I think the ready installed to install list

2189
02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:11.359
is like two hundred and six.
Yeah, the games and app stuff takes

2190
02:09:11.399 --> 02:09:15.880
four ever populated. Mine's only like
fifty because I'm not, you know,

2191
02:09:15.960 --> 02:09:20.159
in the same I'm a normal person. I buy my games like it still

2192
02:09:20.199 --> 02:09:24.119
takes fucking forever. It took three
hours to download Inside on Friday night.

2193
02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:26.439
Because of that, Wow, Like, I thought there was something wrong with

2194
02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:28.479
the console. So I went and
opened the door in the little case that

2195
02:09:28.560 --> 02:09:33.520
it's in and like did the long
press reset to clear this system cash and

2196
02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:37.039
all that stuff. It's still really
really slow, so it could have been

2197
02:09:37.119 --> 02:09:41.760
preview. I don't know. I'm
download speeds on both consoles, Like like

2198
02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:46.600
PSN is markedly worse than Xbox most
of the time. PSN is like embarrassingly

2199
02:09:46.640 --> 02:09:52.039
slow for me most of the time. But I haven't experienced slow downloads with

2200
02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:54.399
they have just been Friday night.
You know. What I did experience though

2201
02:09:54.439 --> 02:09:58.159
with this preview though, is that
it was actually just not downloading well,

2202
02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:01.520
where everything was in Q and nothing
was actually moving, so I had to

2203
02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:05.439
reset and and that's all fine.
That was a specific They fix that one.

2204
02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:07.840
Yeah, I'm I'm talking. As
soon as I can get out of

2205
02:10:07.880 --> 02:10:09.359
the preview thing on the Xbox,
I'm out. I would just want an

2206
02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:13.680
Xbox. It works. I dished
monthy times a year that I use it.

2207
02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:16.960
It's not worth the extra instability,
like you said, it's I mean,

2208
02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:20.880
but the thing is is is having
multiple Xbox ones in the house,

2209
02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:22.760
like one that is not in a
preview program, that one is still not

2210
02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:26.600
great. And when it comes to
like just snappiness, just feel of the

2211
02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:31.239
interface and stuff like, I feel
like that. It's why I didn't like

2212
02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:37.159
build an XBMC box or like a
Cody Box whatever and on an Uya or

2213
02:10:37.239 --> 02:10:41.319
something, you know, because it's
like I can't fucking handle slow interface.

2214
02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:43.520
It's why it's part of why I
unsubscribe from Direct TV because those boxes just

2215
02:10:43.600 --> 02:10:46.079
weren't fucking snappy. Well, this
is why, this is why I have

2216
02:10:46.159 --> 02:10:50.039
a giant ass free en Ass box
instead of a shitty Nass box in my

2217
02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:54.720
garage. Right, I have an
old Hexacore PC running free Nass because I'm

2218
02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:58.760
an idiot. Yeah, it's probably
costing thirty dollars a month in electricity,

2219
02:10:58.079 --> 02:11:01.159
but it's fastest, fast as shit. Yeah, perfect, yea, yeah,

2220
02:11:01.479 --> 02:11:05.560
yeah, the speediness of an interface. I think that like the and

2221
02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:11.960
that Xbox one interface is is bad
for that stuff. That's you know,

2222
02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:16.239
like the PS four just feels like
its stores more of its interface just right

2223
02:11:16.319 --> 02:11:18.520
there. Random that's not trying to
do as much and a lot of interface

2224
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:20.680
is not a bad. Interface is
not a bad thing. Yeah, when

2225
02:11:20.680 --> 02:11:22.680
it comes to just like I need
to launch a fucking game, just list

2226
02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:26.119
the goddamn game. Yeah yeah,
but when I list my library on a

2227
02:11:26.199 --> 02:11:28.800
PS four, that still takes forever
and sucks. But it's also bad,

2228
02:11:28.840 --> 02:11:31.760
still bad as bad though it's pretty
bad. You can see even the library

2229
02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:37.479
on the PS four is terrible.
Games quicker than not online. I don't

2230
02:11:37.479 --> 02:11:39.000
know what's going on. You scroll
down and then wait for its populate because

2231
02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:41.039
you have to scroll it down and
go like this is probably where s is,

2232
02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:46.039
and then let off. You can
you can scroll twice as fast as

2233
02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:48.720
that thing can populate games on that
list, and then you just like I

2234
02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:50.479
feel like it still it doesn't show
number of letters are where you are,

2235
02:11:50.640 --> 02:11:54.119
no indication and stuff's terrible. It's
really bad. I did stream all of

2236
02:11:54.199 --> 02:11:58.840
inside to my Windows ten PC,
so I played that on the PC,

2237
02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:03.119
streamed across the network wired and it
was like that worked really well. So

2238
02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:09.640
that's cool. My Pcmxbox one are
practically touching, so I don't actually need

2239
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:13.279
to do that. TiVo is still
connected to my Xbox one because wow,

2240
02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:16.479
you know i'd have to rent cables
to fix that. Sure. Yeah,

2241
02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:18.920
all right, that was way longer
than ten minutes. This concludes this week's

2242
02:12:18.920 --> 02:12:22.199
tech talk. Sorry, no,
it's fine. I love that stuff.

2243
02:12:24.159 --> 02:12:28.159
Next week it's the audience Android and
we're gonna get into it. Okay.

2244
02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:31.600
I have pulled roughly double the number
of emails that I usually get, two

2245
02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:35.239
times the email. We'll see.
We'll see how many did we get through

2246
02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:41.439
here. BombCast at giant bomb dot
com is the email address. First email

2247
02:12:41.479 --> 02:12:46.600
comes in from Zach from Louisville,
Kentucky. You look stern down there wouldn't

2248
02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:48.680
be there next week. Yeah,
we kept next next week. What are

2249
02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:54.039
you doing there? I can't talk
about it. Eating something, maybe eating

2250
02:12:54.039 --> 02:12:58.800
something, eat drinking? Eating?
Okay, that's cool, enjoy uh I

2251
02:12:58.920 --> 02:13:01.319
Bomb Squad. When I was growing
up in the eighties, my friends and

2252
02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:05.319
I referred to finishing a game as
flipping it, as in I flipped Ninja

2253
02:13:05.359 --> 02:13:07.720
Guide in this weekend. Also,
if it was the eighties, I'm surely

2254
02:13:09.119 --> 02:13:11.479
calling it ninja gaiden. Today.
When I tell people we said this,

2255
02:13:11.560 --> 02:13:15.720
they look at me like, I
Am crazy? Was this an actual term?

2256
02:13:15.840 --> 02:13:18.800
Or did my friends and I just
pull this term out of our ass?

2257
02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:20.960
That one said that's an actual term? What really have you heard that?

2258
02:13:22.199 --> 02:13:26.239
Flipping arcades because you're you're beating boards, you're rolling it over when you

2259
02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:30.439
when you would beat all of the
Donkey Kong stages and get it back to

2260
02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:33.159
the start, would be a rollover. Ok okay, so you would flip

2261
02:13:33.239 --> 02:13:37.880
it? Uh? So that that
is definitely. There are trophies that are

2262
02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:43.239
that mentioned. Flipping was like did
the nuclear Throne trophies do it? There's

2263
02:13:43.279 --> 02:13:46.680
something that came out recently. There
was some roguelike that was like flip the

2264
02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:52.199
game as like a term for beating
it and restarting and continuing. But yes,

2265
02:13:52.399 --> 02:13:54.880
no, that is, Yes,
that is a term. But also

2266
02:13:54.960 --> 02:14:00.960
you're crazy. There's there's a new
idea, there's a new arcade a documentary

2267
02:14:01.039 --> 02:14:03.760
coming out, isn't there did I
see this? I saw Billy Mitchell on

2268
02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:11.319
a YouTube video last Weekly and in
Walter from Walter Walter Day talking about rolling

2269
02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:16.920
over Jungler oh Man, all right, a billion points, getting getting into

2270
02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:22.159
the deep gritty forty five hours Jesus, Yeah it was animated. Yeah,

2271
02:14:22.359 --> 02:14:26.159
that's ridiculous. Sorry. Also,
Zach Zack asked what we called finishing a

2272
02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:28.720
game? Beat a game as kids. Yeah, I've been beating in a

2273
02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:31.880
game. It's usually what we said, go with the Occasionally, occasionally you

2274
02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:37.439
would hear somebody say they have solved
a game. That sounds yes, kids

2275
02:14:37.479 --> 02:14:39.399
were bad people. I can't.
I can't get on. If it's Raiders

2276
02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:41.560
of the Lost Ark for the twenty
six hundred, you could say you solved

2277
02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:46.720
it. Wow, that's it.
Yeah. Rain from Reading in the UK

2278
02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:52.359
right soon and says Dan touched on
this in the most recent Rhythm Heaven Quick

2279
02:14:52.399 --> 02:14:54.439
Look. He stated he was unable
to complete a review of a Rhythm game

2280
02:14:54.520 --> 02:14:58.439
due to not being able to get
past an early stage. I've been wondering

2281
02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:03.039
about this for a while. What
do you do when you're reviewing game that

2282
02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:05.319
you cannot complete for whatever reason,
especially if it's pre release and there are

2283
02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:09.840
no facts available. That's the only
time it's happened to me, and I

2284
02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:11.319
just I just went to my boss
at the time and I said, I,

2285
02:15:11.640 --> 02:15:13.720
this game is not for me.
I don't have any rhythm. I

2286
02:15:13.800 --> 02:15:18.159
can't beat this many game with these
monkeys on a clock and monkeys on the

2287
02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:20.560
clock. Many game was fucking tough. By the way, It's good to

2288
02:15:20.600 --> 02:15:22.279
know that I'm not that terrible.
Was it a Rhythm Heaven game or a

2289
02:15:22.279 --> 02:15:24.600
different it was? It was the
wee Rhythm Heaven, which actually I have

2290
02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:28.680
been playing the new one on free
ds and I'm better at that for sure.

2291
02:15:28.640 --> 02:15:31.079
But yeah, I just had to
go to and be like, hey,

2292
02:15:31.159 --> 02:15:33.560
I can't honestly review this game because
I'm not This is not for me.

2293
02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:35.760
I'm not gonnable to meet it.
I can't. I can't think of

2294
02:15:35.800 --> 02:15:37.560
a situation where I'd ever ran up
against something I just could not get past.

2295
02:15:37.680 --> 02:15:41.079
But I have. I can't remember
the game specifically, but I do

2296
02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:46.199
remember on behalf of other reviewers,
I had contacted a publisher and said like,

2297
02:15:46.319 --> 02:15:48.720
hey, our reviewer is stuck here
and and you know, kind of

2298
02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:52.399
keeping some separation, not having the
reviewer talked directly to the company just kind

2299
02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:56.760
of middle manning that conversation and being
like, Okay, this is the situation

2300
02:15:56.840 --> 02:16:01.039
they're having. Do you have anything
about this? Because you get to a

2301
02:16:01.079 --> 02:16:03.039
point with something depending on the game, depending on the game, where you

2302
02:16:03.199 --> 02:16:07.840
start to wonder like is this me
or is the game broken in totally?

2303
02:16:07.079 --> 02:16:11.239
That is really hard. It's a
really hard game. Like you you just

2304
02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:13.880
don't know it's very much. Am
I missing something here? Or have I

2305
02:16:13.960 --> 02:16:18.319
encountered a bug? Or is the
game fucking up here? And there's no

2306
02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:22.079
way to check because there's no information
right online about yeah game at all.

2307
02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:24.960
So that stuff's hard. I It's
happened to me twice I played. I

2308
02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:30.680
found a bug in Hexan two,
I guess the one in like ninety nine

2309
02:16:31.399 --> 02:16:37.680
that basically it broke the save right
and I had to go back and restart

2310
02:16:37.719 --> 02:16:39.200
the game. But that was a
conversation that was like you sent a note

2311
02:16:39.239 --> 02:16:43.719
to Activision and hey, what's like, what's do you guys know about this?

2312
02:16:43.799 --> 02:16:46.200
And they actually hadn't. They didn't
know about that, they didn't have

2313
02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:48.000
the bug listed. So then they
fixed it in the first patch and I

2314
02:16:48.079 --> 02:16:52.559
had to restart my my game from
the beginning. Uh yeah, I found

2315
02:16:52.680 --> 02:16:58.600
bugs in Canan Lynch two, which
was a weird one bugs, but that

2316
02:16:58.719 --> 02:17:03.840
is reviewing that I I apparently ended
up playing more of that game than the

2317
02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:05.559
people who tested it or something,
because it was like it got to a

2318
02:17:05.639 --> 02:17:09.879
point where on the three sixty,
if you got a lot of shotgun kills,

2319
02:17:09.959 --> 02:17:11.959
like it was. It was it
was testing to see if you would

2320
02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:13.959
have got enough shotgun kills for an
achievement or something, was what I think

2321
02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:18.399
I was eventually told. And it
would that would build up to a point

2322
02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:20.680
where if you got a shotgun kill, the game would halt for about two

2323
02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:26.520
seconds and then resume. And it
was just fucking crazy, and like the

2324
02:17:26.600 --> 02:17:30.360
game's not out and I'm sitting here
on this thing, I'm like, fuck

2325
02:17:30.520 --> 02:17:31.920
shit, like I'd recorded footage of
it because I'm like, this is a

2326
02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:35.520
really boo not again, yeah kind
of, it's a real this is a

2327
02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:39.440
real weird problem with this game.
Like well, and I ended up going

2328
02:17:39.520 --> 02:17:41.239
back to the guy who was doing
PR four at the time saying like,

2329
02:17:41.440 --> 02:17:45.600
hey, so I've got video of
this. Uh, this is happening to

2330
02:17:45.680 --> 02:17:48.479
me. What the fuck? And
they're like, yes, we very much

2331
02:17:48.479 --> 02:17:52.200
want to see that video. And
then and then they still yeah exactly.

2332
02:17:52.280 --> 02:17:54.600
Then they started working. They ended
up fixing that bug, I guess,

2333
02:17:54.920 --> 02:17:58.159
and a pretty early patch. I
reviewed an Earth Defense Force game for OXM

2334
02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:01.639
once. Those are easy. You
just put it in for five minutes ago,

2335
02:18:01.719 --> 02:18:03.840
Man, this sucks and give it
like the lowest score you can.

2336
02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:07.239
Like. I like those games.
They dumb and they're fun, but they

2337
02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:11.239
get really hard. Yeah they do, and some of them do. Yeah.

2338
02:18:11.319 --> 02:18:11.399
Like I got to the end of
it, I was like, I

2339
02:18:11.479 --> 02:18:15.239
can't. I just can't get past
this boss, and so I hinted one

2340
02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.000
of the other people at the magazine
and they plowed through that part and then

2341
02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:20.680
I finished the game. Wow.
Yeah, there are plenty of times there

2342
02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:24.280
would be a game like like The
Witness is a good example. I didn't

2343
02:18:24.319 --> 02:18:26.120
review it, but I could totally
see that being one of the games that

2344
02:18:26.200 --> 02:18:28.360
if I was reviewing, like,
well, yeah, you could do the

2345
02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:31.079
seven hundred puzzles or whatever, or
you could do four hundred and fifty and

2346
02:18:31.120 --> 02:18:33.200
beat it the standard way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mentioned that

2347
02:18:33.239 --> 02:18:37.159
in the review for Completion is whatever. Trying to remember I think I had

2348
02:18:37.200 --> 02:18:39.559
finished eight of the areas and then
beat the game before to the review.

2349
02:18:39.559 --> 02:18:43.360
But yeah, I mean talking about
it before that last area of that game

2350
02:18:43.719 --> 02:18:46.920
on the deadline was not Oh yeah, that not an ideal experience. How

2351
02:18:48.440 --> 02:18:50.760
how did you handle like Splunky and
Rogue Legacy and stuff like that. I

2352
02:18:50.760 --> 02:18:54.600
don't think we reviewed any of them, you know, I think Patrick reviewed.

2353
02:18:54.760 --> 02:18:56.239
Yeah, but I mean in cases
like that, I mean, you

2354
02:18:56.319 --> 02:19:00.319
know, yeah, I mean a
certainly point, it's meant to be petable

2355
02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:03.680
and stuff like that, So finishing
the game is probably not actually that key

2356
02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:07.600
to it. It's just understanding how
the mechanics work and is it fair and

2357
02:19:07.719 --> 02:19:09.200
is it fun? At some point
it's like a fighting game almost like it's

2358
02:19:09.239 --> 02:19:13.079
meant to be like repetitive. It's
meant to be something that you kind of

2359
02:19:13.120 --> 02:19:15.959
grind against for for a good long
time. So it's sort of a different

2360
02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:20.360
situation than like a story driven game. That makes sense. Yeah, So

2361
02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:22.319
I think that there are there are
definitely cases like that where you like,

2362
02:19:22.360 --> 02:19:28.120
you probably don't need to finish Splunky
to review to tell someone why Spilunky is

2363
02:19:28.200 --> 02:19:31.360
so cool. Yeah, I think
it varies from the game to game.

2364
02:19:31.520 --> 02:19:35.159
I will say I am glad that
I never had a review to the Necord

2365
02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:37.719
answer, have you finished that game? No, no, I didn't.

2366
02:19:39.079 --> 02:19:41.840
I still I keep going back to
it for like fifteen twenty minutes at a

2367
02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:43.440
time, a couple of times a
week. I don't know that I will

2368
02:19:43.479 --> 02:19:46.239
ever finish that game if you did, if you got in his own four,

2369
02:19:46.799 --> 02:19:50.000
I think I got to the end
of three. Okay, Zone four

2370
02:19:50.079 --> 02:19:52.719
I think is way too hard for
its own game. I've gotten to the

2371
02:19:52.799 --> 02:19:56.360
last boss once out of like maybe
a hundred runs. It is really hard,

2372
02:19:56.719 --> 02:20:00.879
but like that's my that's my Splunky
ratio. Probably yeah, but yeah,

2373
02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.600
you know, we're in a different
situation than than we have been in

2374
02:20:03.799 --> 02:20:05.000
years past. I mean, you
know, like we're not really trying to

2375
02:20:05.040 --> 02:20:09.959
be this like day one review like
workshop, right, so you know,

2376
02:20:11.040 --> 02:20:13.719
it affords us the ability to pass
on some reviews or run a review way

2377
02:20:13.840 --> 02:20:18.719
late yea, which endst to a
lot of weird introspection about like, well

2378
02:20:18.760 --> 02:20:22.399
we're like the selection process for what
we review suddenly becomes like this weird thing.

2379
02:20:22.520 --> 02:20:26.200
Definitely, Well, maybe our scores
are skewing higher than they used too

2380
02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:28.680
because we're only reviewing stuff we're really
interested in, or but that then ends

2381
02:20:28.719 --> 02:20:31.319
up going the other way of like
I was really interested in a game and

2382
02:20:31.360 --> 02:20:35.639
then it ended up being really disappointing. Like you know, I approached like

2383
02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:39.600
something like Quantum Break. I can't, I can't like I am yeah,

2384
02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:43.399
I am very interested in this game, and I hope it turns out.

2385
02:20:43.440 --> 02:20:46.719
Then you're like, oh man,
I am super disappointed. That's the thing

2386
02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:48.920
that people don't seem to undertand when
they're riding and go, why would you

2387
02:20:48.920 --> 02:20:50.319
review this game? You obviously hate
it. It's like, why I review

2388
02:20:50.360 --> 02:20:54.200
this game because I like saw it
beforehand, it said this looks awesome.

2389
02:20:54.280 --> 02:20:58.280
I wanted to play it, right. Uh So sometimes I pay putting me

2390
02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:03.360
in the ballpark of someone who might
actually buy that game, right, which

2391
02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:07.000
is kind of the ideal situation,
I guess. But it's more interesting when

2392
02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:09.079
their noteworthy, Like when it's a
thing that you're it's a noteworthy title.

2393
02:21:09.239 --> 02:21:11.959
Yeah, Like, I'm much more
interested to read a review when you give

2394
02:21:11.959 --> 02:21:15.639
a shit about the game going in, right, if it's just like,

2395
02:21:15.760 --> 02:21:18.360
here's a here this fell on my
fucking desk today exactly. Yeah. Like,

2396
02:21:18.479 --> 02:21:22.920
and I've and we've both done.
I have written hundreds of reviews that

2397
02:21:22.000 --> 02:21:24.440
are just like, this review needs
to get done, and I'm going to

2398
02:21:24.520 --> 02:21:28.840
be the one to do it because
I'm here and I'm qualified to do it,

2399
02:21:28.840 --> 02:21:33.479
and that's it's nice to not be
tied to that anymore. That's a

2400
02:21:33.639 --> 02:21:41.680
weird that doesn't exist anymore, doesn't
need to Jim from Atlanta or recent demo

2401
02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:45.399
Derby reminded me that Sony has had
some cool slogans over the years. You

2402
02:21:45.799 --> 02:21:50.280
are not and then a red eh
and living your world playing hours are some

2403
02:21:50.399 --> 02:21:52.440
of my favorites. But do you
guys have any gaming slogans that you still

2404
02:21:52.520 --> 02:21:58.079
think are pretty cool or remarkably awful? Get in the game. I always

2405
02:21:58.120 --> 02:22:05.280
thought the Sony this his living stuff
was really really dumb. Make madop believe,

2406
02:22:05.840 --> 02:22:07.959
make believe. Although that was a
bigger Sony thing, wasn't. I

2407
02:22:07.959 --> 02:22:11.840
don't think that was just PlayStation.
I think it was around just it was

2408
02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:13.680
like a yeah, it was just
a Sony overall. Yeah. It was

2409
02:22:15.000 --> 02:22:18.760
the Bloggable, Yeah, the blogg
Ex. That was flip Cam it was

2410
02:22:18.840 --> 02:22:20.920
it was. It was a flip
competitor, I believe. I mean do

2411
02:22:22.040 --> 02:22:24.920
things like like print ad things like
the Digatana thing. Count h. Yeah,

2412
02:22:26.040 --> 02:22:30.760
he's asking more for kind of like
companies like Challenge everything, don't.

2413
02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:31.879
Yeah, like that type well that's
more of it. That wasn't that was

2414
02:22:31.920 --> 02:22:35.760
more of an ad thing. Yeah, that was not really repeated slogan like

2415
02:22:35.840 --> 02:22:37.639
challenge everything is a great like literally
and well I guess makedop Believe was not

2416
02:22:37.719 --> 02:22:41.559
in the games, so maybe like
you are not ready though, and like

2417
02:22:41.719 --> 02:22:45.559
Ninten don't you're right and you're right
because well they used I mean really it's

2418
02:22:45.600 --> 02:22:48.239
repetition more than anything. A slogan
is like you were not ready was on

2419
02:22:48.319 --> 02:22:50.639
everything? Like what it like McDonald
McDonald's has had slogans throughout the year.

2420
02:22:50.680 --> 02:22:54.600
I'm loving it. Yeah, I'm
loving it. Is is the classic example,

2421
02:22:54.760 --> 02:22:56.399
right, yeah, right, I
think you just see that. Oh

2422
02:22:56.479 --> 02:23:00.680
my heart. Mhm, it's one
of their more recent ones. Didn't stick

2423
02:23:00.719 --> 02:23:03.399
with that one very Oh I idn't
even heard that. Yeah, Taco Bells

2424
02:23:03.399 --> 02:23:09.280
had some good ones. Oh yeah, Live Moss Think outside then what was

2425
02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:13.639
the Border one? Run for the
Border, Run for the Border. Yeah,

2426
02:23:13.159 --> 02:23:18.680
Live Moss is good. Uh,
it's it's perfectly terrible. Yeah,

2427
02:23:18.760 --> 02:23:22.639
yeah, they're great. I feel
like this like the Saturn Sega Saturn era

2428
02:23:22.799 --> 02:23:26.120
is where that stuff really got the
peak terrible. Who was the ad with

2429
02:23:26.200 --> 02:23:30.520
ice cube with the Saturn rings around
his head. Yep, yeah, it

2430
02:23:30.600 --> 02:23:35.559
was ice Cube with Saturn ice Cube
did Saturday head. Yeah, it was

2431
02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:41.079
pre like kids movie ice Cube too, right, yeah, it was angry

2432
02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:45.200
ice Cube. Given the screw that
was. That was not far panther dragoon,

2433
02:23:45.280 --> 02:23:50.000
motherfucker far removed not he was more
panzer driven saga. Fair enough.

2434
02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:52.760
It's my understanding. He's getting a
star on the Walk of Fame, is

2435
02:23:52.799 --> 02:23:56.959
he? Yeah? Right in that
check huh as Yeah, exactly, as

2436
02:23:56.079 --> 02:24:01.000
is Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Of
course, anyone deserved one, he does.

2437
02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:07.120
Question quick question from Jeff your dogs. Why no rumble mouses? I

2438
02:24:07.159 --> 02:24:13.639
had a rumble mouse once Logic Tech
three series mouse with the with the haptic

2439
02:24:13.719 --> 02:24:16.639
feedback in like two thousand, mid
two thousands probably, I don't know,

2440
02:24:18.479 --> 02:24:22.879
is before the I remember with dual
shocks. Well before was the dual Shock

2441
02:24:22.959 --> 02:24:26.799
three. Yeah, but remember they
motion owned the haptic pat oh right right,

2442
02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:30.360
yes, and there was there's no
dual That's why it was just the

2443
02:24:30.399 --> 02:24:33.680
six axis six They didn't want to
pay the license, ye, and then

2444
02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:35.920
they sucked it up and pay the
license. Yeah, which was the right

2445
02:24:35.000 --> 02:24:41.000
choice. But they Logitech license that
same company to build up a haptic mouse

2446
02:24:41.079 --> 02:24:43.639
and it was fucking awesome. So
when you moved your mouse over, I

2447
02:24:43.719 --> 02:24:46.760
feel like I used one of the
problems blue. Yeah, but like it's

2448
02:24:46.799 --> 02:24:50.479
some trade show. Probably put my
hands on one. That's weird. No

2449
02:24:50.559 --> 02:24:52.559
one will ever buy one of these, but that's me. God, it's

2450
02:24:52.600 --> 02:24:54.680
so good. So you would move, you would mouse over like window edges,

2451
02:24:54.959 --> 02:24:58.920
and it would just bumped my car. Does that? It's yeah,

2452
02:24:58.120 --> 02:25:01.639
yeah, because you have stick in
my car that is that like has that

2453
02:25:01.760 --> 02:25:05.000
same kind of haptick like guide you
to the buttons sort of thing. Yeah,

2454
02:25:05.120 --> 02:25:09.239
and it's it feels good, so
you could do it. You can

2455
02:25:09.280 --> 02:25:13.159
do it with the phones. Now
theoretically you can do it with the trackpad

2456
02:25:13.239 --> 02:25:16.920
on like a Mac. They nobody's
built the software yet. But it's like,

2457
02:25:16.040 --> 02:25:20.239
I super super liked having because you
could go with much higher precision because

2458
02:25:20.239 --> 02:25:22.120
you could feel when you were on
the spot. You didn't just have to

2459
02:25:22.200 --> 02:25:26.040
look at it right. Nobody ever
used it in games. It was like

2460
02:25:26.120 --> 02:25:28.000
it was one of those things that
like there were two games that came out

2461
02:25:28.040 --> 02:25:30.559
and it was always like you click
the mouse and shook around like a machine

2462
02:25:30.600 --> 02:25:31.319
gun, and you're like, no, one wouldn't ever want to use it

2463
02:25:31.399 --> 02:25:35.319
for this, Let's gonna make your
game worse. That was the The Microsoft

2464
02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:39.200
Joystick had that same kind of like
sidewinder, yeah, where it had all

2465
02:25:39.239 --> 02:25:43.200
the feedback ship just shake around,
feel like all the different settings. It

2466
02:25:43.319 --> 02:25:46.079
was really fun in the demo,
but then in games it was terrible.

2467
02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:50.040
And the demo it was like it's
a rocket launcher and you and you would

2468
02:25:50.079 --> 02:25:52.719
feel the joystick jerk back and then
forward, and you're like, yeah,

2469
02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:56.120
like I'm shooting a rocket. That's
badass, But fuck actually doing that in

2470
02:25:56.200 --> 02:26:00.159
a game, especially a competitive one
where you're trying to be accurate all this

2471
02:26:00.280 --> 02:26:03.680
other stuff, like at some point
that stuff, just the experience gets in

2472
02:26:03.760 --> 02:26:07.479
the way of your precision. So
I have to say I've looked in the

2473
02:26:07.559 --> 02:26:11.879
post VR world. I looked at
those speakers that you screw into your chair.

2474
02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:18.159
The butt kicker, Yeah, because
there's a there's a certain appeal,

2475
02:26:18.520 --> 02:26:20.360
uh like to be sitting in your
chair and all of a sudden you feel

2476
02:26:20.440 --> 02:26:24.079
the rumble of the engines of your
spaceship or whatever D box for the home.

2477
02:26:24.479 --> 02:26:28.760
I yeah, I sat in some
so like pree three, went to

2478
02:26:28.799 --> 02:26:33.280
some events and played some games and
sat in some dumb and looking fucking gaming

2479
02:26:33.399 --> 02:26:39.399
chairs, but they were kind of
fucking comfortable on the floor in front of

2480
02:26:39.440 --> 02:26:43.239
the TV. No no, no, there's like like they did not have

2481
02:26:43.319 --> 02:26:46.760
speakers in them, but they did
have like these big, gawky, like

2482
02:26:46.879 --> 02:26:52.399
just awful lumbar pillows in them,
but they were kind of comfortable. Like

2483
02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:54.000
so this is already. I just
went out and bought like a Razor mouse

2484
02:26:54.040 --> 02:26:58.639
and keyboard because of this specific like
thing of like trying of of going to

2485
02:26:58.799 --> 02:27:03.079
downs and having that ship set up
going like you know what, this mouse

2486
02:27:03.079 --> 02:27:07.399
actually feels pretty good, and this
keyboard actually this mechanical I need to all

2487
02:27:07.440 --> 02:27:09.840
right, the clicky keyboards are great. I have one of those Logic tech

2488
02:27:09.879 --> 02:27:11.399
ones. It was way too expensive. I bought it and it's terrific.

2489
02:27:11.479 --> 02:27:15.920
And the lights change color when I
mean games. And I bought it's a

2490
02:27:16.760 --> 02:27:22.280
death add or a death Widow chroma. Yeah whatever the fuck Razor keyboard?

2491
02:27:22.719 --> 02:27:24.440
Uh, and that has the ten
key on it. The other one the

2492
02:27:24.520 --> 02:27:28.760
death adder, I think, doesn't
I forget? Uh? And it's at

2493
02:27:28.079 --> 02:27:31.079
other than the part where when I
type now it's all super loud. Uh.

2494
02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:35.159
It's the downside. It's a pretty
good gaming keyboard. And the mouse

2495
02:27:35.239 --> 02:27:39.879
is actually pretty good too. Like
I clown on Razor for like the way

2496
02:27:39.920 --> 02:27:43.920
that they market their products and a
lot of their dumb fucking laptops and all

2497
02:27:43.959 --> 02:27:46.520
the other ship. But death,
that's a nice mouse. It's a decent

2498
02:27:46.559 --> 02:27:48.719
amount. I have a Momba.
It's a it's a it's a good ass.

2499
02:27:50.040 --> 02:27:54.719
It's wireless, it can be.
I'm wired. Yeah. They do

2500
02:27:54.920 --> 02:27:58.920
a tournament edition of the Mamba that
is just wired, okay, and it's

2501
02:28:00.159 --> 02:28:03.319
it's a it's a pretty good fucking
mouse. You want to treat yourself,

2502
02:28:03.440 --> 02:28:05.600
get some little fancy go out there
and grab an aluminum mouse pad. That's

2503
02:28:05.639 --> 02:28:09.280
what I have. Yeah, it's
fucking awesome. That's what I use for

2504
02:28:09.479 --> 02:28:11.360
because I do it on my couch
when I'm playing over one and it's aluminum,

2505
02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:13.799
so it doesn't bend or anything.
It's just this tiny, thin little

2506
02:28:13.879 --> 02:28:16.600
thing because before I had to put
my big gass Zelda book in my like

2507
02:28:16.639 --> 02:28:22.040
steel series like foam mouse pad on
it. This razor thin little aluminum thing.

2508
02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:24.399
It's perfect. I love it.
It's like twelve bucks or something.

2509
02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.680
It's so smooth. Yeah, and
it's like a piece of glass that you're

2510
02:28:26.680 --> 02:28:30.319
gliding your mouse and when you get
hand crud on there, Yeah, just

2511
02:28:30.319 --> 02:28:33.559
put in the dishwasher. Okay,
it's awesomely no, I'm yeah, hand

2512
02:28:33.559 --> 02:28:39.079
crud's an issue. It's definitely an
issue. Everybody hasn't say say no to

2513
02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:46.159
hand crud. Please, Uh,
let's see. Manny from Cheltenham in England

2514
02:28:46.200 --> 02:28:50.079
wrote down and asking if Dan could
elaborate a little on why he didn't like

2515
02:28:50.159 --> 02:28:52.200
Steep. I guess you kind of
did that already and just yeah, it

2516
02:28:52.319 --> 02:28:56.559
just didn't It didn't feel good.
It didn't feel fun like there's It felt

2517
02:28:56.559 --> 02:28:58.440
like Grabby many games, like I
told you, and I don't know.

2518
02:28:58.799 --> 02:29:03.920
I SSX a lot because it just
kind of felt bombastic and over the top

2519
02:29:03.959 --> 02:29:05.639
and you're landing like fireworks are going
off, and it controlled really well.

2520
02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:09.959
It wasn't just spectacle. I thought
the tricks worked really well. Steep just

2521
02:29:11.799 --> 02:29:16.559
it seemed like a game for people
that are like way into actual skiing and

2522
02:29:16.719 --> 02:29:20.280
like watch a bunch of GoPro footage
of people on YouTube skiing. It felt

2523
02:29:20.319 --> 02:29:22.639
like Skate rather than Tony Hawk.
That's why I didn't like Skate, but

2524
02:29:22.639 --> 02:29:26.200
I love Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk
was big and loud, and spectacle and

2525
02:29:26.239 --> 02:29:28.760
not realistic in any way. And
I don't give a shit about skateboarding,

2526
02:29:28.920 --> 02:29:31.360
so that's why I didn't like skate
But I like Tony Hawk in the same

2527
02:29:31.399 --> 02:29:35.760
way that I like SSX, but
Steep seemed lame. M all right,

2528
02:29:37.079 --> 02:29:39.840
Well, a lot of people like
skates so yeah, yeah, I know

2529
02:29:39.879 --> 02:29:43.159
I'm in the minority. Yeah,
let's see, You're not the only person

2530
02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:46.040
I heard saying that Steep didn't wow
them for a variety of reasons. So

2531
02:29:46.159 --> 02:29:50.920
I don't know. I heard one
guy. I will say that Demo did

2532
02:29:50.000 --> 02:29:54.319
not grab me at all, and
yeah, I but I also would not

2533
02:29:54.440 --> 02:29:58.120
be into a snowboarding game unless it
was AMP three two Dark Summit too AMP

2534
02:29:58.239 --> 02:30:05.760
three two. Okay, Yeah,
let's see. Don from California. I

2535
02:30:05.840 --> 02:30:09.639
was digging through the Steam sale decided
I was going to grab super Hot,

2536
02:30:09.719 --> 02:30:11.920
but when I went to the store
page, super Hot's recent reviews are quote

2537
02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:16.040
mix. It turns out that since
the super Hot creators announced super Hot VR,

2538
02:30:16.600 --> 02:30:20.520
people went back and rereviewed the game
in order to make the reviews look

2539
02:30:20.559 --> 02:30:24.479
worse because they weren't happy with a
VR exclusive. How do you feel about

2540
02:30:24.520 --> 02:30:26.719
people using the review system this way? A dev of a game announces a

2541
02:30:26.760 --> 02:30:31.040
new game, time to go lower
the review score of their previous game.

2542
02:30:31.680 --> 02:30:35.079
Okay, they announced the Kickstarter for
super Hot after they showed it at the

2543
02:30:35.079 --> 02:30:39.079
Oculus booth at e three year GDC
or something. Last you're talking about for

2544
02:30:39.159 --> 02:30:41.600
VR, No for the initial one, and they didn't tell people. The

2545
02:30:41.719 --> 02:30:46.120
implication was that that that was going
to be the VR version of the game,

2546
02:30:46.719 --> 02:30:50.360
and the reasons for them releasing a
separate VR version are good and fair

2547
02:30:50.440 --> 02:30:54.719
and right, but I like they
message. They messed that up. You're

2548
02:30:54.719 --> 02:30:58.280
saying people thought they were going to
get a VR game. The kickstarter who

2549
02:30:58.360 --> 02:31:01.559
bought back the kickstarter thought that they
were getting the VR game. I thought

2550
02:31:01.559 --> 02:31:03.079
I backed the kickstarter, and I
thought I was going to get a preview

2551
02:31:03.120 --> 02:31:07.239
build of the VR game that I
could load up on my DK two as

2552
02:31:07.319 --> 02:31:09.000
soon as the kickstarter cleared, Okay, which I did not get. Okay,

2553
02:31:09.000 --> 02:31:11.040
I didn't realize they had ever said
anything about it. I don't know

2554
02:31:11.040 --> 02:31:16.559
if they did, but it like, look, I'm a relatively informed consumer.

2555
02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:22.159
If I made the mistake, then
like maybe their messaging wasn't awesome.

2556
02:31:22.280 --> 02:31:24.959
Sure, yeah, it's I.
I didn't catch on to any of that

2557
02:31:26.079 --> 02:31:28.040
stuff. I just you know,
we played that Web demo and thought it

2558
02:31:28.120 --> 02:31:31.159
looked cool awesome, so it never
really seemed like it never really seemed like

2559
02:31:31.239 --> 02:31:35.360
a VR game, and the mechanics
of that core super Hot game, I

2560
02:31:35.399 --> 02:31:39.360
think I actually would be really weird
and bad in VR. So the idea

2561
02:31:39.399 --> 02:31:45.319
that they're building a separate thing that
would give them the ability to maybe revisit

2562
02:31:45.440 --> 02:31:48.280
some of those concepts and make them
fit better for VR. I feel like

2563
02:31:48.360 --> 02:31:54.280
I did a demo at a PAX
or something of the just announced super Hot,

2564
02:31:54.040 --> 02:31:58.440
but I feel like before that,
like a year past again. Yeah,

2565
02:31:58.479 --> 02:32:01.440
so the first time we saw a
super Hot was that I think it

2566
02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:03.440
was at an Oculus booth, and
I think it was it was either a

2567
02:32:03.520 --> 02:32:05.360
g DC or eighty three last year. Okay, because remember like the first

2568
02:32:05.360 --> 02:32:07.120
time I played Lucky, So it
was one of those things where you go

2569
02:32:07.159 --> 02:32:09.799
into the booth, It's like here's
this, here's this, here's this.

2570
02:32:09.920 --> 02:32:13.799
I'm like Lucky's Tale Eve Valkrie and
I could have sworn I played super Hot,

2571
02:32:13.479 --> 02:32:16.639
and I mean it was it was
very much one of those really levels

2572
02:32:16.680 --> 02:32:18.920
from like the Web demo e right, but it could have been just a

2573
02:32:18.000 --> 02:32:22.520
demo and you it was when you
moved your head side decide that moved time

2574
02:32:22.600 --> 02:32:24.559
as well. Yeah yeah, so
you but you could you could pull back

2575
02:32:24.559 --> 02:32:30.280
and watch the bullet go by vitational
movement did nothing, so okay. But

2576
02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:35.280
yeah, Like, look, going
back and fucking with people Steam reviews takes

2577
02:32:35.319 --> 02:32:39.120
money out of their pockets. So
if ultimately, if you like them making

2578
02:32:39.239 --> 02:32:41.760
games, if you like the people
that are making those games, and you

2579
02:32:43.440 --> 02:32:46.920
fucked their reviews up, you're going
to cause them real problems. I think

2580
02:32:46.959 --> 02:32:48.319
that. But at the same time, I think you have to look at

2581
02:32:48.559 --> 02:32:54.239
user reviews as not a reliable source
in aggregate or it's the best way to

2582
02:32:54.319 --> 02:32:56.280
go, well, accept it.
Funnels like user reviews are one of the

2583
02:32:56.360 --> 02:33:01.079
things that determine your placement on Steam
that much money makes so like it is

2584
02:33:01.159 --> 02:33:03.040
taking there is that direct link it
is. It is really fucked up.

2585
02:33:03.120 --> 02:33:07.159
And the way they've redesigned reviews on
Steam, like on the surface, you

2586
02:33:07.239 --> 02:33:09.479
look at it and go, oh, that makes sense because they adopted that

2587
02:33:09.559 --> 02:33:13.799
more of that Apple Store mentality of
here are recent reviews of the current build,

2588
02:33:15.040 --> 02:33:18.959
and here are the overall all reviews
and giving the different you know,

2589
02:33:18.079 --> 02:33:24.000
negative positive, like that makes sense. At the same time, you still

2590
02:33:24.159 --> 02:33:28.120
don't really know they've added Actually they've
added some stuff where it says you user

2591
02:33:28.200 --> 02:33:31.639
got this product for free, which
is a nice one they tell you,

2592
02:33:31.719 --> 02:33:35.799
and somebody is a confirmed buyer,
which is also good like Amazon style stuff,

2593
02:33:35.959 --> 02:33:39.440
and tells you how many hours they
put in, which is interesting and

2594
02:33:39.879 --> 02:33:43.680
you would think would combat that stuff. But at the same time, this

2595
02:33:43.760 --> 02:33:48.040
will sound super shitty coming from someone
who's reviewed games for twenty years, because

2596
02:33:48.040 --> 02:33:52.520
I probably have some kind of vested
interest in that status quo. But at

2597
02:33:52.559 --> 02:33:56.680
some point, the people out there, they know no code, they have

2598
02:33:56.799 --> 02:33:58.520
no reason to not go back and
do this, They have no reason to

2599
02:34:00.239 --> 02:34:01.959
to kind of not funk around with
that sort of stuff. I mean,

2600
02:34:03.000 --> 02:34:05.200
it's it's it's it's used as a
form of protest in too many different contexts.

2601
02:34:05.280 --> 02:34:09.719
Yeah, ever, really that's useful
that that's annoying because I think that

2602
02:34:09.879 --> 02:34:13.920
user ratings and reviews can be super
valuable, but it's too volatile and too

2603
02:34:13.920 --> 02:34:16.959
many people use it to, you
know, get across different messages that were

2604
02:34:18.000 --> 02:34:20.399
not that the systems were not built
to support it. Frequently does it has

2605
02:34:20.479 --> 02:34:24.760
nothing to do with reflecting the quality
of the product or the thing being reviewed,

2606
02:34:24.920 --> 02:34:26.840
right, And if people use the
system like this, then it means

2607
02:34:26.920 --> 02:34:31.799
that just Valve and other companies that
have storefronts like this will devalue the user

2608
02:34:31.840 --> 02:34:35.360
reviews, which is probably not good
for anyone in a world where there are

2609
02:34:35.520 --> 02:34:37.639
like fifty releases on Steam every day, right, yeah, yeah, And

2610
02:34:39.040 --> 02:34:41.120
you know that's why you get into
the ones that are like, well,

2611
02:34:41.280 --> 02:34:45.840
well you know this review has been
voted as useful and that sort of stuff

2612
02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:48.840
like that can help combat that sort
of stuff, but it just means you

2613
02:34:48.920 --> 02:34:50.920
can never trust this aggregate number.
And I know, like Metacritic runs into

2614
02:34:50.959 --> 02:34:54.719
this all the time where you get
just like tons of users going in and

2615
02:34:54.840 --> 02:35:00.200
voting everything a one for whatever fucking
dumb reason because they're board U. It's

2616
02:35:00.239 --> 02:35:01.879
that same thing of like you can't
look at those numbers. Like if you

2617
02:35:01.920 --> 02:35:07.760
can dig into the reviews and take
all that feedback with a grain of salt,

2618
02:35:07.959 --> 02:35:11.920
you can learn things from the text, but you do have to do

2619
02:35:11.040 --> 02:35:13.879
some digging. It's not as simple
as like mostly positive, I guess I'll

2620
02:35:13.920 --> 02:35:16.120
buy that, Like, you can't. You can't operate that way, just

2621
02:35:16.520 --> 02:35:22.000
you you'll get burned to time and
time again. Uh, Josh wrote in

2622
02:35:22.120 --> 02:35:26.680
I said this on this week's BombCast. You kicked off by talking about pickup

2623
02:35:26.719 --> 02:35:31.920
trucks. As someone who lives in
Kansas City. Yes, all right,

2624
02:35:31.040 --> 02:35:35.280
Drew has a pickup truck, right, that's right. As someone who lives

2625
02:35:35.280 --> 02:35:37.920
in Kansas City, the Missouri side, not the dirty Johnason County, Kansas

2626
02:35:39.000 --> 02:35:43.200
side County, I can say I
heard it was the animo capital of the

2627
02:35:43.760 --> 02:35:46.520
armpit of the world. That's what
said when he came to town. Yeah,

2628
02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:50.399
it makes sense. Who would have
thought. Dino Bravo told me it

2629
02:35:50.520 --> 02:35:54.280
was the worst place on the planet
got shut up for selling Canadian cigarettes.

2630
02:35:54.319 --> 02:35:58.600
Well, shit happens. Man.
As someone who lives in Kansas City,

2631
02:35:58.600 --> 02:36:01.200
I could say that the number of
people who own larger than needed trucks simply

2632
02:36:01.319 --> 02:36:05.760
for their looks or the effect of
look, how big my truck is far

2633
02:36:05.879 --> 02:36:09.399
outweighs the people who own trucks for
practical use or work vehicles. Also,

2634
02:36:09.520 --> 02:36:13.879
the Ford versus Chevy versus GM war
is much worse than any kind of Sony

2635
02:36:13.959 --> 02:36:18.959
versus Microsoft console war could ever dream
to be. I know no fewer than

2636
02:36:18.040 --> 02:36:24.000
six people who have either Ford or
Chevy tattoos on their bodies and see several

2637
02:36:24.040 --> 02:36:26.239
more on a fairly frequent basis,
just chiming in from the Midwest, and

2638
02:36:26.239 --> 02:36:30.440
they put a sticker in the window
of your pickup truck. That's Calvin pissing

2639
02:36:30.479 --> 02:36:33.639
on a PlayStation logo. There you
go. That's not even the worst weird

2640
02:36:33.840 --> 02:36:37.440
war in Kansas. In Missouri,
I don't give a shit about college sports,

2641
02:36:37.520 --> 02:36:41.559
Blue and St. Lou That's what
I do now. They just want

2642
02:36:41.559 --> 02:36:46.159
you to go when there was when
the Royals play the fucking or Cardinals.

2643
02:36:46.280 --> 02:36:50.360
Yeah that I seventy war or whatever. So the Ku versus Missoo thing is

2644
02:36:50.399 --> 02:36:52.680
insane and I don't give a shit
about sports at all, but it goes

2645
02:36:52.760 --> 02:36:56.079
beyond just this friendly sports thing.
Like I had this friend Libby, who

2646
02:36:56.200 --> 02:37:00.159
is so obsessed with KU sports,
Like I would ask for things like,

2647
02:37:00.520 --> 02:37:01.840
Okay, if somebody said we'll give
you a million dollars if you put a

2648
02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:05.440
Miszoo Tigers a poster on your wall
for a year, would you do it?

2649
02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:07.399
Like fucking no, no way,
it was like a one a million

2650
02:37:07.440 --> 02:37:11.000
dollars, Yes, you would just
take no. One completely serious, and

2651
02:37:11.159 --> 02:37:15.079
I believe she was serious. When
we were getting on a plane from Vegas,

2652
02:37:15.200 --> 02:37:18.040
to Kansas City and she had a
Ku shirt on, and the flight

2653
02:37:18.079 --> 02:37:20.000
attendant said, I'm like, oh, go Miszoo. You know it's like

2654
02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:22.719
a little like jab like rival sports
team. Right, We're sitting on a

2655
02:37:22.840 --> 02:37:26.079
plane, an airplane very much post
nine to eleven, that's probably like two

2656
02:37:26.120 --> 02:37:30.719
thousand and seven, and she's loudly
saying she's so mad that there's a Miszoo

2657
02:37:30.719 --> 02:37:33.200
fan on the flight. She's like, fuck this, I hope this plane

2658
02:37:33.239 --> 02:37:37.280
goes down. I would help take
this plane down if I could. I

2659
02:37:37.200 --> 02:37:41.959
would die so that person can die. Like I like, as we're taxing,

2660
02:37:41.079 --> 02:37:43.159
she's like, I want this plane
to go down. I want everyone

2661
02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:46.479
on this plane to die. And
this is a pretty sane girl. No,

2662
02:37:48.520 --> 02:37:52.360
actually no, this is not rare. This is not rare around there.

2663
02:37:52.399 --> 02:37:56.159
There are whole stores that everything they
sell is muck fazoo and all this

2664
02:37:56.239 --> 02:38:00.239
stuff. Like if it's fucking insane, like I've seen people like, Okay,

2665
02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:01.799
when Miszoo was in town, people
would be walking down mass Street like

2666
02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:05.520
families with Miszoo shirt. Can we
just say, can I just like fucking

2667
02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:09.760
stop for a second say the word
Missoo is maybe the dumbest fucking thing I've

2668
02:38:09.799 --> 02:38:11.680
ever heard, well Greg Miller that
he went to Missoo. All right,

2669
02:38:11.719 --> 02:38:13.799
well whatever, but is it in
Missouri? Is it short from Missouri?

2670
02:38:13.959 --> 02:38:18.360
Yeah? Well Missoo called the college
that's in Columbia, the University of Missouri.

2671
02:38:18.440 --> 02:38:20.799
Okay, and so, like,
if you're walking down Mass Street in

2672
02:38:20.920 --> 02:38:24.079
Missoo clothes, like I've seen people
Miszoo bad, they sell Miszoo baz.

2673
02:38:24.200 --> 02:38:28.440
Can we start? That would be
pretty good. You'll just approach a family

2674
02:38:28.600 --> 02:38:30.319
like, fuck you, get the
funk out of my steake, Get the

2675
02:38:30.319 --> 02:38:31.879
fuck out of here. What the
fuck do you think you're doing, Like

2676
02:38:31.120 --> 02:38:35.120
causing trouble just for supporting a team, actually wanting to fight people, wanting

2677
02:38:35.159 --> 02:38:39.920
planes to go down. It's it's
fucking insane. There's some of that that

2678
02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:45.399
happens as a Northern California southern California
thing. It's not the same. It's

2679
02:38:45.680 --> 02:38:48.200
yeah, it's not the same because
it's not. Yeah, it's not necessarily

2680
02:38:48.200 --> 02:38:52.040
based on college sports, which is
college sports seems like the most drunkenness and

2681
02:38:52.200 --> 02:38:54.479
violent of them. Yeah. Whatever. There there was like the Dodgers,

2682
02:38:54.719 --> 02:38:58.479
like the Giants, Dodgers stuff.
There was that guy that got really fucked

2683
02:38:58.520 --> 02:39:03.879
up in la. I was very
uncool. Uh but so like I went

2684
02:39:03.920 --> 02:39:07.920
to University of Tennessee and you know, we have rivalries there and and like,

2685
02:39:09.200 --> 02:39:11.440
I've been to stadiums where people through
bodily fluids on you when you were

2686
02:39:11.479 --> 02:39:18.280
walking through the tunnels and it's just
shitty. It's not it's not like urine.

2687
02:39:18.319 --> 02:39:22.559
But okay, like it's not.
It's not ok either way. Yeah,

2688
02:39:22.159 --> 02:39:26.440
hey, is that the slogan?
It's not okay sterile? Like yeah,

2689
02:39:26.879 --> 02:39:28.319
i'd prefer but you could drink it. But yeah, like it's not,

2690
02:39:28.680 --> 02:39:31.200
it's not, that's not. That's
fucked up. I mean you hear

2691
02:39:31.239 --> 02:39:35.239
in friendly sports rivalry stuff, and
I used to do my shit. This

2692
02:39:35.319 --> 02:39:39.280
will surprise no one that I hated
college sports. So back in the day,

2693
02:39:39.399 --> 02:39:43.159
like I would change my Facebook profile
picture if Miszoo was in town playing

2694
02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:46.719
Ku or the Tigers or whoever our
fucking rival was. I would knew just

2695
02:39:46.920 --> 02:39:50.120
enough to know what teams people and
Lawrence hated, So I would change my

2696
02:39:50.159 --> 02:39:52.040
fucking Facebook profile picture to the Miszoo
Tigers and be like, hey go Miszoo.

2697
02:39:52.319 --> 02:39:56.200
And I did that until enough people
were actually threatening to kick my ascid

2698
02:39:56.239 --> 02:40:00.600
bars, like really being like like
my friends of mine being I'm not fucking

2699
02:40:00.639 --> 02:40:01.440
kidding. If you don't take that
down right now, I'm gonna beat the

2700
02:40:01.440 --> 02:40:05.760
shit out you, like it is
a super I mean, like you would

2701
02:40:05.760 --> 02:40:07.639
hear, like Justin Calvert told me
for years, and like Danny would probably

2702
02:40:07.639 --> 02:40:15.559
say the same thing about like certain
football matchups in England, they would effectively

2703
02:40:15.680 --> 02:40:18.239
route traffic for the different fans for
the fans of the two teams through completely

2704
02:40:18.280 --> 02:40:20.840
different routes, so they just never
even came to contact with each other because

2705
02:40:20.840 --> 02:40:24.120
otherwise it was just a recipe for
like a brawl. Soccer violence makes sense

2706
02:40:24.200 --> 02:40:30.200
though, hooligans plus boots, sports
and rivalry. Yeah, no, all

2707
02:40:30.239 --> 02:40:33.840
that shit just is the dumbest.
Yes. I just remember every time k

2708
02:40:33.959 --> 02:40:35.600
you would lose, there would be
guys. There's one big game, I

2709
02:40:35.639 --> 02:40:39.000
forgot what it was. Guys were
throwing trash cans through a dorm windows.

2710
02:40:39.079 --> 02:40:43.040
Every girl on the floor was crying, and when Roy Williams said he was

2711
02:40:43.120 --> 02:40:46.280
leaving KU, just everyone was just
destroy like just everyone's sobbing and screaming.

2712
02:40:46.360 --> 02:40:52.239
Guys are punching things and it's insane. Look, it's it's like college kids

2713
02:40:52.319 --> 02:40:56.360
protesting political shit. It always happens
around exam time, right like people,

2714
02:40:56.520 --> 02:41:01.239
I'm kidding, but people you're in
you're in college. Yeah, no,

2715
02:41:01.319 --> 02:41:05.920
I'm every time for your newsletter,
every sachem, trails, man, it's

2716
02:41:05.000 --> 02:41:13.200
all connected, Tianeman Square, Arab
Spring. Yeah. Man. People would

2717
02:41:13.360 --> 02:41:16.719
turn on the red lights in here. You can see what we've written on

2718
02:41:16.760 --> 02:41:22.879
the balls for real and tie all
these things together. Secret stuff. Brad's

2719
02:41:22.959 --> 02:41:26.159
just given up miss the best news
of the week pretty much the left for

2720
02:41:26.239 --> 02:41:33.280
dead mud. That's just Jaden Smith's
tweets. Chicago tag got real weird fucking

2721
02:41:33.399 --> 02:41:37.120
a that stuff. That stuff is
very good. You're right. That turned

2722
02:41:37.159 --> 02:41:43.840
into a very depressing conversation, all
right. Email from Andy. I used

2723
02:41:43.879 --> 02:41:46.920
to work for a developer that won
a game Spot award sometime in the early

2724
02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:50.520
two thousands. The award is a
cutout of a tiny Greg to Savin giving

2725
02:41:50.520 --> 02:41:54.760
a thumbs up. It used to
face my desk and make me laugh every

2726
02:41:54.840 --> 02:41:58.799
day. Where any of you around
when this incredible award was conceived? Why

2727
02:41:58.920 --> 02:42:01.879
and how did it end up a
goofy Cassavan cut out. We thought it

2728
02:42:01.920 --> 02:42:05.120
would be fucking hilarious. There's one
of me and there's one of the Greg

2729
02:42:05.239 --> 02:42:11.479
you're right, those things are uh
yeah, no, we I forget whose

2730
02:42:11.559 --> 02:42:15.079
idea we had to We had to
come up with new awards, like Game

2731
02:42:15.159 --> 02:42:18.399
Center had bowling pins, and I
always thought those were neat, but I

2732
02:42:18.440 --> 02:42:20.120
think those were for Game of the
Year awards. Those weren't. This was

2733
02:42:20.680 --> 02:42:24.000
editor's choice. So anything that got
a nine or above was one of these

2734
02:42:24.120 --> 02:42:28.440
kind of need to be able to
make a lot of these. Couldn't it

2735
02:42:28.440 --> 02:42:31.239
couldn't be too They made a lot
of them, yeah, I know.

2736
02:42:31.440 --> 02:42:35.319
And then Greg left and then I
was gone. Not long after, they

2737
02:42:35.360 --> 02:42:39.040
were still proudly displayed at a lot
of game studios. When I was up

2738
02:42:39.040 --> 02:42:43.440
at Bungee for Destiny stuff, there's
a Greg in there. I think I'm

2739
02:42:43.520 --> 02:42:46.079
in the two K lobby, at
least I was last time I was there

2740
02:42:46.120 --> 02:42:50.600
one Nevada. Yeah, like these
are the loose site blocks that you see

2741
02:42:50.639 --> 02:42:54.360
in the last cases. Totally.
Yeah, And we just didn't And it's

2742
02:42:54.479 --> 02:42:58.479
us holding out a game box so
that you know, whoever in marketing sent

2743
02:42:58.559 --> 02:43:01.399
these things out would then go get
a cut out of the game box,

2744
02:43:01.520 --> 02:43:03.879
put it in there with the cut
out of us or whatever, and send

2745
02:43:03.920 --> 02:43:05.920
it off and they would get a
little plaque at the bottom of it that

2746
02:43:05.120 --> 02:43:09.280
the name of the game, and
I just thought, like, you know,

2747
02:43:09.319 --> 02:43:13.360
I forget how I talked Greg into
this, or maybe marketing took it

2748
02:43:13.440 --> 02:43:16.520
over at some point, but I
feel like I was probably involved in the

2749
02:43:16.559 --> 02:43:20.360
conception of that dumb fucking idea.
Yeah, I don't know. I just

2750
02:43:20.559 --> 02:43:22.319
it was one of those things where
just like, you know, the personalities

2751
02:43:22.319 --> 02:43:26.040
of the site should matter at some
point, right, like, let's let's

2752
02:43:26.879 --> 02:43:30.559
focus on that a little bit.
But yes, then they made them of

2753
02:43:30.680 --> 02:43:35.520
Greg and he went to EA,
and then I was obviously on my way

2754
02:43:35.639 --> 02:43:39.239
less than a year after he left. So give you with cargo shorts,

2755
02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:43.559
yeah, wearing a black T shirt. I still have that exact T shirt.

2756
02:43:43.680 --> 02:43:45.600
The T shirt was just a black
shirt, and they had a sticker

2757
02:43:45.760 --> 02:43:48.520
that had the Editor's Choice logo on
it that they stucked. My shirts photos

2758
02:43:48.760 --> 02:43:54.520
nice, all hundred percent reel,
Yeah, exactly, all all terrific.

2759
02:43:54.680 --> 02:43:56.600
And then they made our they photo
shopped our hands bigger because they wanted it

2760
02:43:56.680 --> 02:43:58.760
to, you know, look like
it's wolding this game box out there,

2761
02:43:58.760 --> 02:44:03.239
It's fucking coming at you. It's
scary. Shit. I still have one

2762
02:44:03.319 --> 02:44:05.559
of those. I have one of
each of them. I have a Greg

2763
02:44:05.879 --> 02:44:09.200
and me and then what box art
did you put on them? A roommate

2764
02:44:09.280 --> 02:44:15.239
of mine, Uh, put printed
out a pornography video and put it and

2765
02:44:15.319 --> 02:44:18.440
just taped it to the front of
it, a funny pornography video. Uh,

2766
02:44:18.200 --> 02:44:22.520
they're all funny. Okay, it's
not like a sign. No,

2767
02:44:22.799 --> 02:44:28.319
this was pre the parody boom.
So all right, so now you know,

2768
02:44:28.440 --> 02:44:31.760
I guess, I don't know.
That's that was my favorite dumb statue

2769
02:44:31.799 --> 02:44:35.399
for a long time. Like when
you see those, you're like, man,

2770
02:44:35.920 --> 02:44:39.239
some somem think I asked the wrong
person how we should do these statues.

2771
02:44:39.799 --> 02:44:41.840
They asked me a lot of wrong
questions. For a good period of

2772
02:44:41.879 --> 02:44:46.520
time there, the marketing came to
me a fair amount, and there was

2773
02:44:46.559 --> 02:44:48.760
a while there that I was like, man, it's really fun to come

2774
02:44:48.799 --> 02:44:50.360
up with awful ideas. Maybe I
should consider a career in marketing. And

2775
02:44:50.360 --> 02:44:54.559
I guess a lot of people for
a living. And then I was like,

2776
02:44:54.680 --> 02:44:58.959
no, no, that's that's all
right. Let's do a few more

2777
02:44:58.959 --> 02:45:01.520
of these emails. Mikey from West
Australia wrote in and said, what the

2778
02:45:01.600 --> 02:45:05.760
hell is a comforter? Is it
a duno without a sheet around it.

2779
02:45:05.879 --> 02:45:09.959
Do you know the d O O
n A. A comforter is like a

2780
02:45:11.120 --> 02:45:13.680
duvet with that that doesn't need a
duvet cover. So you watch the whole

2781
02:45:13.680 --> 02:45:18.879
thing comforter, goddamn blanket. You
don't wash comforters if you've made mistakes.

2782
02:45:18.200 --> 02:45:22.959
Yeah, that's true because because they're
so thick that they're hard to try lumps

2783
02:45:24.319 --> 02:45:28.159
stuffing. Use a top sheet.
Yeah, to use a top sheet and

2784
02:45:28.239 --> 02:45:30.600
to get a get a duvet that
has a cover on it. Then you

2785
02:45:30.680 --> 02:45:33.079
just watched the cover. What's the
duvet again? It's just get's like a

2786
02:45:33.159 --> 02:45:35.760
comforter, but you put it in
a little got a big down thing.

2787
02:45:35.959 --> 02:45:39.680
I'm gonna go and tell you the
duvet with no top sheet, that's some

2788
02:45:39.799 --> 02:45:43.399
life changing shit. We had.
We we had canvas, I don't know.

2789
02:45:43.440 --> 02:45:45.600
We had an add on still entitled. They sent me some sheets,

2790
02:45:46.719 --> 02:45:50.000
fancy sheets, fucking good stuff.
We are we are not a no top

2791
02:45:50.079 --> 02:45:54.319
sheet household. Yeah, now after
a lot of years of me not being

2792
02:45:54.399 --> 02:45:58.479
that way, are you in?
I'm in? Yeah? Also not tucked

2793
02:45:58.479 --> 02:46:00.920
in at all? You know it's
just loose. Yeah, yeah, you

2794
02:46:00.959 --> 02:46:03.360
don't want to would be able to
stick your leg out or something. I

2795
02:46:03.280 --> 02:46:07.440
used to live a very tight in
bed lifestyle of tucked in as possible,

2796
02:46:07.559 --> 02:46:13.600
like short sheeting my own bed.
You want to feel that comfort. Sometimes

2797
02:46:13.600 --> 02:46:16.600
if the sheets are so tight that
your feet can't stick straight up without your

2798
02:46:16.639 --> 02:46:22.280
toes like pressed down, that's fucked
pressive sleep. Nobody wants that, like

2799
02:46:22.360 --> 02:46:24.120
a cryo chamber. I used to
think I wanted that, but then I

2800
02:46:24.200 --> 02:46:28.600
evolved. I like the queen size
bed with the king size duvet because then

2801
02:46:28.639 --> 02:46:33.680
you get like you no matter how
who steals the covers, there's still plenty

2802
02:46:33.680 --> 02:46:37.000
of covers, and if you want
to, you can totally kcoon up so

2803
02:46:37.079 --> 02:46:41.280
you can like lay with the on
either side, so you so you like

2804
02:46:41.479 --> 02:46:45.680
it's cold. That makes sense.
Yeah, As as I said before we

2805
02:46:45.719 --> 02:46:48.959
started recording, we are California King
households, so we don't have no choices

2806
02:46:48.159 --> 02:46:52.680
for bigger duvets. But that sounds
great. California King is about the same

2807
02:46:52.719 --> 02:46:58.920
size, right, but it's like
longer but nothin wid Yeah, which by

2808
02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:01.559
a little bit, which means that
there are some nights where I wake up

2809
02:47:01.559 --> 02:47:03.760
with my feet hanging off the bottom
of that thing. See if I if

2810
02:47:03.799 --> 02:47:07.040
I had a California King in my
bedroom. It would touch two walls and

2811
02:47:07.200 --> 02:47:15.479
not the corner. M hm right, yeah. Uh. James, also

2812
02:47:15.559 --> 02:47:20.520
from Australia, Brisbane in particular,
says when music VR, are you off

2813
02:47:20.600 --> 02:47:24.520
the grid or on the grid?
In the grid? You are that?

2814
02:47:24.600 --> 02:47:26.760
You are there? Yeah? Yeah, you're Jack, You're Jack, You're

2815
02:47:26.799 --> 02:47:31.559
punched deck man, you've burning grid
there? Yeah, you're in the computer.

2816
02:47:31.799 --> 02:47:35.479
Yeah, cyberspace. It's maybe you've
heard of it, most native interface

2817
02:47:35.600 --> 02:47:39.559
between your brain and the computer,
and we all use it to play varying

2818
02:47:39.639 --> 02:47:48.000
degrees of pong rip off. Pretty
good. There's one that is just literally

2819
02:47:48.079 --> 02:47:50.600
a ping pong table that I want
to try. I've not tried it yet,

2820
02:47:50.680 --> 02:47:56.959
but yeah, it's okay, all
right, Henry and Minneapolis, this

2821
02:47:58.120 --> 02:48:01.280
is a pretty good one. The
moment you mentioned Pizza Expo, my ears

2822
02:48:01.319 --> 02:48:03.680
perked up. When I was a
kid, my dad was a salesman at

2823
02:48:03.719 --> 02:48:07.159
a trade show design firm, and
one of his big clients was the Wisconsin

2824
02:48:07.239 --> 02:48:11.719
Milk Marketing Board, which every year
had a booth at the Pizza Expo in

2825
02:48:11.799 --> 02:48:15.239
Las Vegas. One year from my
birthday, he decided to bring me along

2826
02:48:15.280 --> 02:48:18.879
with him and or where I got
to experience the joy and miracle that is

2827
02:48:18.920 --> 02:48:22.920
the Pizza Expo. The year that
I went there, there were literally cement

2828
02:48:22.000 --> 02:48:26.719
trucks filled with pizza sauce and dump
trucks filled with cheese. What people were

2829
02:48:26.799 --> 02:48:31.000
making insane pizzas that would be impossible
to make its stores. Just to show

2830
02:48:31.040 --> 02:48:33.040
off their product. The booth we
were there to set up had made a

2831
02:48:33.079 --> 02:48:37.600
pizza that was constructed completely of cheese
crust made from baked crunchy cheese, cheesey

2832
02:48:37.600 --> 02:48:41.920
Alfredo sauce, et cetera, et
cetera. If you ever get the opportunity,

2833
02:48:41.000 --> 02:48:45.440
I highly recommend stopping to experience the
heaven on Earth that is the International

2834
02:48:45.479 --> 02:48:48.120
Pizza Expositions. Like my dream,
it sounds incredible, it sounds I think

2835
02:48:48.120 --> 02:48:52.399
it's in March. Yeah, we
do something like that. Gotta find an

2836
02:48:52.520 --> 02:48:56.200
end I had. Look, all
you have to do is call and tell

2837
02:48:56.239 --> 02:48:58.840
them you're gonna send video cameras and
they'll let you Hello, We're from CB.

2838
02:49:00.040 --> 02:49:03.399
Yeah. Yeah, that's how that
phone starts. Yeah exactly. I

2839
02:49:03.520 --> 02:49:07.719
wasn't. I wasn't all that intrigued
until the novelty pizza stuff came into the

2840
02:49:07.760 --> 02:49:09.879
picture and then I'm like, oh, go see some experimental pizza development,

2841
02:49:11.159 --> 02:49:16.239
having gone to several coffee trade shows
where the people who are the best in

2842
02:49:16.360 --> 02:49:18.399
the world that make the thing that
they do will be there showing off for

2843
02:49:18.479 --> 02:49:24.079
their peers and competitors. Like,
you want to go to a pizza trade

2844
02:49:24.120 --> 02:49:28.600
show, fucky three, Just cancel
that show and do full total wall to

2845
02:49:28.639 --> 02:49:31.799
wall coverage. Let's cover it exactly
like we cover E three. Let's do

2846
02:49:31.920 --> 02:49:35.680
four hours of Yeah, all right, yeah you can get you get the

2847
02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:39.600
Papa John to come by. No. Right before I went and did the

2848
02:49:41.120 --> 02:49:43.559
Mario and Sonic quick look at John
Bobby East. I went to go get

2849
02:49:43.600 --> 02:49:46.559
some pizza and I thought I was
just gonna get a moderate quick lunch.

2850
02:49:46.799 --> 02:49:48.520
And I was like, okay,
I'll take a slice this, and you

2851
02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:50.719
know, a nice size slice.
And then as sides, they had this

2852
02:49:50.799 --> 02:49:54.280
big bowl of like garlic knots things, and I'm like, oh, I'll

2853
02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:56.559
take one of those. And then
they advertise cal zones. And I never

2854
02:49:56.600 --> 02:49:58.399
had a cal zone before. Yeah, It's like, oh, I'll take

2855
02:49:58.399 --> 02:50:01.200
a cal zone too. Not knowing
a cal it was like a pizza in

2856
02:50:01.319 --> 02:50:03.360
half. And also they give you
five of these garlic knots, so I

2857
02:50:03.440 --> 02:50:07.799
had like eight pounds of pizza for
like three dollars or something. Great.

2858
02:50:07.200 --> 02:50:09.600
That sounds great. It was,
It was pretty great. Cal Zones are

2859
02:50:09.600 --> 02:50:13.280
real good. Yeah they are.
They're awesome. It's like a pizza folded

2860
02:50:13.360 --> 02:50:15.319
in a half. It's really good. It's a lot. It's like a

2861
02:50:15.600 --> 02:50:18.760
zone. But like if a person
made it instead of a robot. What's

2862
02:50:18.799 --> 02:50:22.360
a zone. It's pizza huts cal
zoni ish like, do have products.

2863
02:50:24.920 --> 02:50:28.000
It's a trademarked calzon. If you
have, definitely you are you will be

2864
02:50:28.200 --> 02:50:30.920
in some kind of zone. By
the time you're done with a pizza.

2865
02:50:30.959 --> 02:50:35.799
I'm zoned out, all right.
Sounds are pretty good. I like pizza

2866
02:50:35.879 --> 02:50:39.799
hut, Yes, I like.
I like a pizza hut, deep dish,

2867
02:50:39.840 --> 02:50:41.200
supreme, thank you. There's no
there's no pizza hut in my town

2868
02:50:41.239 --> 02:50:45.200
anymore. So many people. That's
where they that's where they built. That's

2869
02:50:45.200 --> 02:50:50.079
where they built the little Caesars.
That's a that's a ship. Trade heads

2870
02:50:50.120 --> 02:50:54.639
great. Given him five bucks and
walking out with a pizza immediately has a

2871
02:50:54.760 --> 02:51:00.559
certain appeal. Yeah, sometimes you
just need an emergency pizza. Yeahpa Murphy's

2872
02:51:00.559 --> 02:51:03.600
around here. Yeah, I'm not
a taken, big guy. I'm not

2873
02:51:03.639 --> 02:51:07.360
even there's too much work involved.
Yea, if I'm gonna pays time,

2874
02:51:09.600 --> 02:51:11.399
takes a long time to preheat,
and fuck that. Man, If I'm

2875
02:51:11.440 --> 02:51:16.120
getting a pizza, I don't.
I'm not. If I wanted to make

2876
02:51:16.159 --> 02:51:18.520
food, I would make food.
Yeah, I wouldn't be entertaining the idea

2877
02:51:18.559 --> 02:51:20.040
of ordering a pizza to begin with. Did you just say it's three dollars?

2878
02:51:20.159 --> 02:51:24.760
They're really chea, they're taking bikes. You're not good. Look what

2879
02:51:24.879 --> 02:51:28.639
you They're fine? But like Papa
Murfy exists so that your wife calls you

2880
02:51:28.719 --> 02:51:31.680
on the way home from work,
You'll you'll find out about this soon and

2881
02:51:31.760 --> 02:51:33.159
she's like, hey, can you
stop at Papa Murphy's and get some slop

2882
02:51:33.239 --> 02:51:37.200
for the kids, and I'll turn
on the ovens. It's ready when you

2883
02:51:37.280 --> 02:51:39.159
get here, and you hit the
door and you put that thing in because

2884
02:51:39.159 --> 02:51:41.840
it's gonna explode if you leave it
uncooked for too long. That's so like

2885
02:51:43.000 --> 02:51:46.920
thirty minutes you have to wait or
and a ready dude, Like even a

2886
02:51:46.000 --> 02:51:50.399
frozen pizza takes like minutes. It's
not frozen, it's fresh, That's what

2887
02:51:50.440 --> 02:51:52.840
I'm saying. Like a fresh pizza
is gonna take less than next minutes,

2888
02:51:52.920 --> 02:51:56.479
eight minutes. Maybe you're and you
got this nothing, they're not frozen.

2889
02:51:56.520 --> 02:52:00.040
I guess, yeah, I don't
know. You should we ever decide I

2890
02:52:00.120 --> 02:52:03.479
had to have kids, I don't
know that slop would be. You don't

2891
02:52:03.520 --> 02:52:05.040
know, I don't know. Eventually, okay, it's only a matter of

2892
02:52:05.079 --> 02:52:07.680
telling me that I'll eventually break it
down and then we'll just all be eating

2893
02:52:07.719 --> 02:52:13.440
garbage again. Road Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I guarantee he

2894
02:52:13.479 --> 02:52:15.639
stops and get some bucket of fried
chicken every once in a while now.

2895
02:52:16.399 --> 02:52:20.520
And it's not recreational fried chicken.
It's survival fried chicken. Yeah. No,

2896
02:52:20.639 --> 02:52:22.479
I don't I don't know. It's
it's good. Having kids is great.

2897
02:52:22.520 --> 02:52:26.040
I encourage everyone to do that.
Let's get on that right now,

2898
02:52:26.120 --> 02:52:28.280
I really mean it. All right, let's get out of here. Then,

2899
02:52:28.879 --> 02:52:33.079
Uh, let's do a couple of
emails first before we go. Christian

2900
02:52:33.959 --> 02:52:37.680
writes in with an email entitled God
of War scientology. The angry Yeah,

2901
02:52:39.319 --> 02:52:41.959
the angry red and white smudge that
is Crados has slaughtered many a deity.

2902
02:52:43.079 --> 02:52:46.479
But what would a god of war
games set in a modern religion be?

2903
02:52:46.600 --> 02:52:48.760
Like? I would love to see
Lord Zenu get his head ripped off Ron

2904
02:52:50.399 --> 02:52:52.840
l Ron. Hubbard on a boat
is like the second to last boss,

2905
02:52:52.959 --> 02:52:56.760
and then Zeno and a volcano.
Yeah, you're throwing in this just blood

2906
02:52:56.799 --> 02:53:05.399
born, you're throwing or Dante's Inferno. Don't have nothing modern about that.

2907
02:53:05.879 --> 02:53:09.520
I think the space should be intentionally
left blank, you know. I think

2908
02:53:09.520 --> 02:53:11.479
it's thrown Hubbard into the volcano on
the front of Dianetics, right, Tom,

2909
02:53:11.520 --> 02:53:18.159
cruise Hubbard and you fucking pilot the
boat and then there's a whole like

2910
02:53:18.520 --> 02:53:24.200
youccumulated you have to take. Yeah, yeah, right, this is just

2911
02:53:24.319 --> 02:53:28.879
going through killing all the old gods. It's just a Battlefield Earth game,

2912
02:53:28.000 --> 02:53:33.680
right, okay, right, take
for Whittaker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2913
02:53:35.479 --> 02:53:39.600
The character's name is tarl. I
recommend watching that movie. Have you

2914
02:53:39.680 --> 02:53:41.760
seen it? Like, I've not
seen it. It is Wow, I

2915
02:53:41.840 --> 02:53:45.239
have not seen it. It's amazing. I've not seen it in it's in

2916
02:53:45.319 --> 02:53:48.959
its entirety. You've seen that scene
that's just Travolta speaking gibberish for like twelve

2917
02:53:50.000 --> 02:53:52.520
minutes back and forth. Yeah,
that's all that's you got the whole thing,

2918
02:53:52.719 --> 02:53:54.680
Okay, it's just more of that. I just bought Batman and Robin

2919
02:53:54.760 --> 02:53:58.000
on Blu Ray, and I'm really
excited about watching stuff terrible. I've not

2920
02:53:58.120 --> 02:54:01.760
seen that and good fifteen years or
so. I'm pretty sure it's going to

2921
02:54:01.799 --> 02:54:05.000
seem even stupid. Or is that
the one with the nipples? Oh?

2922
02:54:05.079 --> 02:54:07.280
Yeah, yeah, that movie's real
bad and the bad American Express Card or

2923
02:54:07.319 --> 02:54:11.680
whatever. Even Clooney doesn't like that
movie. Yeah, the ice skate Brother.

2924
02:54:11.879 --> 02:54:16.959
Will you help me? Yeah?
Will Smith, the shoemaker. Did

2925
02:54:16.000 --> 02:54:18.600
you do your civic duty as a
Will Smith and go see the New Independence

2926
02:54:18.719 --> 02:54:22.600
Day? I have not seen he
the only one that thought that's the man

2927
02:54:24.159 --> 02:54:26.920
we need. He apparently turned it
down. Well he was it conflicted with

2928
02:54:26.959 --> 02:54:31.319
suicide squad? Oh is the official
word? Okay? Jaden Smith makes a

2929
02:54:31.360 --> 02:54:37.760
cameo. Really what Independence Day?
Independence? Yeah? Oh wow? Perfect?

2930
02:54:39.159 --> 02:54:41.280
Ye. That tells you everything you
need to know about whether you should

2931
02:54:41.280 --> 02:54:43.639
go see it. You need to
go see it because I imagine with a

2932
02:54:43.680 --> 02:54:46.600
Twitter handle like at Will Smith,
you probably know everything there is to know

2933
02:54:46.639 --> 02:54:50.840
about it. I'm gonna go ahead
and tell you I have gotten so little

2934
02:54:50.879 --> 02:54:54.879
Twitter business about this movie. I
like a mute filter. Wow. Well,

2935
02:54:54.040 --> 02:54:58.280
like like just to be clear when
they were shooting men in black three

2936
02:54:58.479 --> 02:55:01.399
in New York and he had that
three story trailer. I heard about that

2937
02:55:01.479 --> 02:55:05.520
ship every fucking day for a year. Yeah, nothing radio silence on Independence

2938
02:55:05.600 --> 02:55:07.520
Day. Wow. Well, I
mean he's not in it, so maybe

2939
02:55:07.559 --> 02:55:11.280
maybe that maybe that's the only thing
I get. Yeah, I'm sure you've

2940
02:55:11.280 --> 02:55:15.680
discussed this at some point, but
at any point has has his people tried

2941
02:55:15.719 --> 02:55:20.000
to contact you for that handle.
So my friend Gary wrote a movie for

2942
02:55:20.079 --> 02:55:22.959
Will Smith a few years ago.
Oh right, and I was at Comic

2943
02:55:22.000 --> 02:55:26.319
Con for work when they were doing
the after Earth panel. So I met

2944
02:55:26.680 --> 02:55:31.639
his Overbrook partners, his brother in
law who's who's the producer on the film.

2945
02:55:31.280 --> 02:55:35.159
And when I introduced myself, he
started laughing so hard that he literally

2946
02:55:35.280 --> 02:55:41.040
fell on the ground the first time. That's literally on the ground of the

2947
02:55:41.159 --> 02:55:43.959
Omni Hotel in San Diego. As
we're getting ready to walk over to the

2948
02:55:45.000 --> 02:55:48.799
convention center to do this panel.
There is a man who shakes my hand.

2949
02:55:48.840 --> 02:55:52.639
I introduced myself as Will Smith.
There's a brief explanatory period, and

2950
02:55:52.719 --> 02:55:56.159
then he is laughing so uncontrollably that
he's rolling around on the Oh that's great

2951
02:55:56.200 --> 02:55:58.920
because he was probably already where the
Twitter account and that somebody else had it

2952
02:55:58.040 --> 02:56:01.799
he maybe was aware of the Twitter
account, like Gary introduced me as my

2953
02:56:01.879 --> 02:56:05.200
friend Will Smith, yeah, or
my other my friend other Will Smith or

2954
02:56:05.239 --> 02:56:09.000
something, and and he was just
uncontrollably. Yeah, we never got to

2955
02:56:09.079 --> 02:56:11.840
negotiations about the value of the Twitter
account, and no one's asked you for

2956
02:56:11.879 --> 02:56:16.399
that account. I'm at this point, I'm pretty you know what you're asking

2957
02:56:16.440 --> 02:56:24.200
price b I'm not gonna put that
information on the kidding. Yeah, does

2958
02:56:24.239 --> 02:56:26.440
he does? He still not have
one. He does not have a Twitter

2959
02:56:26.479 --> 02:56:31.600
account. They're they finally cut down
on the w one LLL's and all the

2960
02:56:31.639 --> 02:56:35.600
people that use the ambiguity of the
letter L and the Yeah, so that's

2961
02:56:35.760 --> 02:56:39.959
that's all solved. But now there's
just the parody accounts that are ship bags.

2962
02:56:41.600 --> 02:56:45.079
I mean, he would be at
Big Willie Style, that's anyway.

2963
02:56:45.200 --> 02:56:48.319
Yeah, or the freshest Yeah,
the freshest bridge. I don't know.

2964
02:56:48.399 --> 02:56:50.079
He was out there talking a whole
bunch of shit about Wild wild West recently.

2965
02:56:50.399 --> 02:56:54.600
Really finally yeah, no, he
enough time has passed. Yeah,

2966
02:56:54.799 --> 02:56:58.159
he very much came out and said
like, yeah, that's the thing I

2967
02:56:58.239 --> 02:57:00.479
did because I wanted to be the
biggest movie star in the world. I

2968
02:57:00.639 --> 02:57:03.799
thought, because I thought it was
a good movie. Yeah. He like

2969
02:57:03.879 --> 02:57:05.760
he had a thing a couple of
weeks ago where he was like, look,

2970
02:57:05.799 --> 02:57:07.600
I don't I don't want to.
I just want to make movies that

2971
02:57:07.680 --> 02:57:11.399
are good, not proud of.
Yeah, yeah that seems sensible. Yeah.

2972
02:57:11.399 --> 02:57:13.959
It was actually like a I was
gonna say, is this in the

2973
02:57:13.000 --> 02:57:16.319
wake of like post Suicide Squad,
I'm only gonna make good movies or is

2974
02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:20.479
he actually trying to say that Suicide
Squad is this is in the that movie

2975
02:57:20.559 --> 02:57:24.200
looks so interesting. Maybe people seem
bullish on maybe thing. Look, if

2976
02:57:24.239 --> 02:57:26.120
there's gonna be a DC movie this
year, that's not dogs, Okay that

2977
02:57:26.200 --> 02:57:28.000
one? Yeah? That out?
Yes? Is that out this year?

2978
02:57:28.040 --> 02:57:31.559
It's this Yeah, soon, it's
like July. Okay, it's this month.

2979
02:57:31.920 --> 02:57:37.040
Then all right, we're almost there. It's a good thing. We

2980
02:57:37.280 --> 02:57:41.399
talked briefly about Transformers earlier. Now
we're primed for a female from Taylor Good.

2981
02:57:41.799 --> 02:57:46.479
Scrapper is the leader of the Constructor
cons but when they combined into Devastator,

2982
02:57:46.559 --> 02:57:48.760
he's the right leg at Jeff help. Yeah, And that was before

2983
02:57:48.760 --> 02:57:52.440
they really figured out what they wanted
to do with their their combiners. Before

2984
02:57:52.440 --> 02:57:56.079
the gestalts really were codified. Yeah, the leader always goes to cons was

2985
02:57:56.120 --> 02:57:58.440
like one of the first. It
was the first, and it was like

2986
02:57:58.479 --> 02:58:03.159
it was a six piece. Yeah, it didn't follow the five character format.

2987
02:58:03.239 --> 02:58:05.639
Yeah, the five character format helped
them determine a leader very easily because

2988
02:58:05.840 --> 02:58:09.920
the fucking Torso was the bigger robot
than the rest of them. Whoever was

2989
02:58:09.959 --> 02:58:11.200
the torso in the head was the
leader of the who was it in?

2990
02:58:11.200 --> 02:58:16.840
The predicons don't just deeper knowledge than
Yeah, I don't know that. I

2991
02:58:16.879 --> 02:58:18.200
can't remember the name of any of
them. I always had one of each

2992
02:58:18.239 --> 02:58:20.760
of those sets. It was just
the saddest way that we kind of fit

2993
02:58:20.840 --> 02:58:24.120
them together in a weird way.
Fucking ridiculous predic king, I don't.

2994
02:58:24.120 --> 02:58:28.479
I don't know predic predic king the
lion, either the tiger or the puma

2995
02:58:28.760 --> 02:58:31.559
because they were all like cats or
something. Yeah, I can't I can't

2996
02:58:31.600 --> 02:58:35.200
even remember. It was orange.
There was one that was made out of

2997
02:58:35.280 --> 02:58:39.079
like kind of emergency vehicles like protect
the bots. That was an autobot,

2998
02:58:39.159 --> 02:58:43.719
right y, Yeah, yeah,
I believe it's all I got. There's

2999
02:58:43.760 --> 02:58:50.719
the aerial botskay, Yeah, I
think uh. The Dinobots was a missed

3000
02:58:50.760 --> 02:58:54.319
opportunity. Well that was pre well
with the constructions. You know, they

3001
02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:58.399
would often fight with Omega Supreme,
which was just a single thing. No,

3002
02:58:58.719 --> 02:59:01.639
metro Plex was the City a Mex
spreame was the tank that turned into

3003
02:59:01.680 --> 02:59:05.040
the dude with the tank tracks on
his BA. Yeah, like wings,

3004
02:59:05.120 --> 02:59:09.200
and then there was then there was
Fortress Maximus, which was actually like two

3005
02:59:09.280 --> 02:59:13.319
foot tall. That was like posts, I was crazy. Post Metroplex,

3006
02:59:13.399 --> 02:59:15.920
they're like fuck it. Metroplex was
the one that showed up in the end

3007
02:59:16.000 --> 02:59:20.040
of that last not the cartoon Transformers
game, but the last Cybertron game.

3008
02:59:20.159 --> 02:59:22.360
Right, Yeah, maybe because that
was pretty good. Yeah, I have

3009
02:59:24.600 --> 02:59:31.040
tripped to con the big the big
Decepticon dinosaur and yeah, big robot Tyrannosaurus.

3010
02:59:31.159 --> 02:59:33.440
Yeah, that's pretty good. I
remember that thing. That's pretty good.

3011
02:59:33.479 --> 02:59:37.520
It had battery power so it would
walk. Wow, really did it

3012
02:59:37.520 --> 02:59:39.639
actually do it? Or did it
just kind of eat shit all the time.

3013
02:59:39.639 --> 02:59:41.399
I just kind of go. I
mean, if you were on a

3014
02:59:41.399 --> 02:59:43.959
flat surface, it was a okay, okay. Anything other than that could

3015
02:59:43.040 --> 02:59:46.959
carpet, Yeah, carpet, okay, it would be generally okay on carpet,

3016
02:59:46.760 --> 02:59:50.840
pretty good. Ipile carpet might trip
it up. But I had the

3017
02:59:52.000 --> 02:59:54.440
big metal airframe. What was it
what was his name, the white jet

3018
02:59:54.719 --> 02:59:58.920
oh sky Fire or fire one or
the other. Yeah, yeah, he's

3019
03:00:00.120 --> 03:00:01.559
Yeah, that thing was cool,
but that thing wasn't originally Yeah, I

3020
03:00:01.600 --> 03:00:05.360
was going to transfer. That thing
was like lifted from the Yeah, it

3021
03:00:05.440 --> 03:00:09.239
felt like it one of the macross
for robots because a lot of the original

3022
03:00:09.280 --> 03:00:13.479
transformers were not part of a cohesive
line in Japan. Really, it was

3023
03:00:13.559 --> 03:00:16.239
all like, uh shit, I
can't even remember the name of it now.

3024
03:00:16.360 --> 03:00:18.280
But so it's like Vultron where the
cartoons like Vultron, where they just

3025
03:00:18.280 --> 03:00:22.000
took footage from a bunch of other
cartoons, And I think I think jet

3026
03:00:22.079 --> 03:00:24.920
Fire was kind of the one exception
of like something that came from something else.

3027
03:00:24.120 --> 03:00:26.639
Eventually it all kind of codified that
thing. That thing had a really

3028
03:00:26.719 --> 03:00:33.440
aerodynamic look of like anime robots,
not the angles of most transformers. So

3029
03:00:33.559 --> 03:00:35.959
like that thing ended up not showing
up in a lot of other stuff because

3030
03:00:35.000 --> 03:00:39.799
of a licensing stuff. I think. Wow, I think. And then

3031
03:00:39.879 --> 03:00:43.040
gobots where all types of fucking crazy
gobots. Man, Yeah, what was

3032
03:00:43.319 --> 03:00:46.000
like what was its optimist Prime's original
name as a convoy, right, he

3033
03:00:46.120 --> 03:00:50.520
was an eighteen wheeler. Yeah,
I have dark Convoy, which I bought

3034
03:00:50.559 --> 03:00:52.799
when we were I didn't even know
existed, and then we were over there

3035
03:00:52.840 --> 03:00:56.079
for TGS or something. It was
just like fucking black truck with a fucking

3036
03:00:56.319 --> 03:01:03.879
anchor. I'm like, that's fucking
gray black convoy. I eagerly await your

3037
03:01:03.920 --> 03:01:09.200
mixtape. Two more emails and we
will actually get out of here. This

3038
03:01:09.239 --> 03:01:13.479
one comes in from Riley. On
the E three Live Show, Jeff talked

3039
03:01:13.479 --> 03:01:16.680
about how he walked around while brushing
his teeth and how falling forward with a

3040
03:01:16.719 --> 03:01:20.440
toothbrush in his mouth was a real
concern of his I have a relevant story.

3041
03:01:20.280 --> 03:01:24.680
My wife's uncle went into his bathroom
after his daughter had finished showering.

3042
03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:26.680
I guess she had left a puddle
of water on the floor because when he

3043
03:01:26.799 --> 03:01:31.440
stepped in, he slipped forward and
fell I first onto a wooden plunger handle.

3044
03:01:33.280 --> 03:01:35.639
He walked back into the lettering room, where his wife was sitting,

3045
03:01:35.760 --> 03:01:39.159
hand covering his damaged eye socket.
They rushed to the nearest hospital, but

3046
03:01:39.200 --> 03:01:43.920
there was nothing the doctors could do. His eyeball was squashed. He now

3047
03:01:43.040 --> 03:01:46.319
has a glass eye. Fuck.
Why would you tell us this story?

3048
03:01:46.399 --> 03:01:50.959
This is horrible. I don't write
the emails. Give him mort paint or

3049
03:01:52.040 --> 03:01:54.479
something that's gonna hurt so bad,
probably wouldn't hurt that much after it's actually

3050
03:01:54.479 --> 03:01:56.840
popped. The weirdest thing is that
the end of the email says, I

3051
03:01:56.920 --> 03:02:01.360
have a bunch more eye stories from
various members. If you want some more,

3052
03:02:01.760 --> 03:02:03.159
I look, I'm not here every
week, but I think it would

3053
03:02:03.159 --> 03:02:09.120
be a great idea if you guys
have a regular body horror, send in

3054
03:02:09.200 --> 03:02:13.840
your eyeball questions and not send any
Send him to at Will Smith on Twitter.

3055
03:02:15.799 --> 03:02:18.680
It's easy to filter that. It's
no problem spell all the words to

3056
03:02:18.719 --> 03:02:22.280
get around as filters. Fuck are
you verified? Fuck no? Right,

3057
03:02:22.319 --> 03:02:26.399
then you don't have the quality filter, so you'll see everything you send him.

3058
03:02:26.040 --> 03:02:30.639
Why am I not verified? Dude? Can I get a job here

3059
03:02:30.639 --> 03:02:31.680
for like a week so you guys
on a check market? I could not.

3060
03:02:31.840 --> 03:02:35.000
I could not believe a couple of
months ago when the rest of us

3061
03:02:35.000 --> 03:02:39.000
finally got verified, that they fucking
lock up filtering options behind the verified on

3062
03:02:39.079 --> 03:02:46.559
Twitter. Dude. It's insane as
a service, a service where the primary

3063
03:02:46.600 --> 03:02:50.719
complaint is like, you can't block
a bunch of the bullshit on the service,

3064
03:02:50.840 --> 03:02:54.159
and they and they lock that functionality
and the verific like behind a bunch

3065
03:02:54.159 --> 03:02:56.479
of business ship was verified for a
while, and the ship like the filtering

3066
03:02:56.520 --> 03:03:01.319
options make Twitter really really good,
right, let you get rid of the

3067
03:03:01.360 --> 03:03:03.040
snaggs and all the problems that you
have with Twitter and more to the point,

3068
03:03:03.079 --> 03:03:07.319
they make it feel like they are
literally ushering you into like an exclusive

3069
03:03:07.360 --> 03:03:09.319
club. When you like the first
time you launch the apps kind of stuff

3070
03:03:09.479 --> 03:03:13.000
you get you get this big splash
screen where it's like your Twitter experience is

3071
03:03:13.000 --> 03:03:16.319
about to get a lot better,
and it's like, fucking where has this

3072
03:03:16.479 --> 03:03:20.680
been for the last six years?
Yeah. It will occasionally like I will

3073
03:03:20.719 --> 03:03:24.639
now miss stuff like depending on the
app I use, because some apps don't

3074
03:03:24.200 --> 03:03:28.479
like honor the like quality filter thing. I think it's is just the mobile

3075
03:03:28.520 --> 03:03:33.319
app and maybe the website. Ye, like a lot of the other external

3076
03:03:33.360 --> 03:03:35.200
clients and stuff. You'll see a
lot of stuff. So occasional I'll look

3077
03:03:35.200 --> 03:03:37.639
at that and go like, oh
man, that's actually something I would have

3078
03:03:37.719 --> 03:03:41.399
liked to have seen. It's fucked
up. Can you turn that stuff off?

3079
03:03:41.879 --> 03:03:43.920
Yeah? This is you can,
but it's it's all or nothing,

3080
03:03:43.120 --> 03:03:46.639
okay, you know, so you
can see it all or you can see

3081
03:03:46.120 --> 03:03:48.159
there's not like a slider. You
can say I want to see on my

3082
03:03:48.239 --> 03:03:52.799
phone when I'm frequently like looking at
it, when I'm not at work and

3083
03:03:52.959 --> 03:03:56.600
not interested in hearing about work,
it makes sense to have that thing turned

3084
03:03:56.600 --> 03:04:00.520
on. Got it all? Right? Final email? Sure? From a

3085
03:04:00.600 --> 03:04:03.440
meal? So would you rather would
you rather be able to teleport or shape

3086
03:04:03.479 --> 03:04:09.239
shift? Wait? Can you shape
shift and and look like other people shape

3087
03:04:09.239 --> 03:04:13.879
shifting? Like look like John Drake? Embarrassing ships could shape shift? Yeah,

3088
03:04:13.879 --> 03:04:16.040
you don't even have to look like
person? Yeah, oh okay,

3089
03:04:16.040 --> 03:04:18.959
it's like you could be a tiger. Are the rules like two one thousand

3090
03:04:20.000 --> 03:04:22.479
things where it has to be like
you know, I read the entirety of

3091
03:04:22.520 --> 03:04:24.399
the email. Okay, I mean
if it's just anything, then obviously I

3092
03:04:24.440 --> 03:04:26.639
think Harry Potter rules apply. Right. You could be a cat. You

3093
03:04:26.680 --> 03:04:30.120
could be a door knob. Oh, but it only lasts for like a

3094
03:04:30.159 --> 03:04:33.079
few minutes, and Harry Potter,
that's that's no good, no, no.

3095
03:04:33.239 --> 03:04:35.479
If you have to worry about time
or shape shifting, there's oh,

3096
03:04:35.559 --> 03:04:39.040
I guess you're right. And there's
the drink stuff. Yeah, I was

3097
03:04:39.079 --> 03:04:41.719
thinking about the poly juice potion.
Yeah, I would probably go teleport.

3098
03:04:43.000 --> 03:04:46.680
Why yeah, because it's a long
drive home every night, and sometimes I

3099
03:04:46.760 --> 03:04:50.079
want to go to other countries.
What if you want to go to another

3100
03:04:50.120 --> 03:04:52.239
country? You could shape shift into
a thing? Could I shape shift into

3101
03:04:52.280 --> 03:04:56.680
a fucking fast moving jet? That
would work for am? I stuck on

3102
03:04:56.680 --> 03:04:58.879
the door? It is t two
rules, no complex machinery or anything with

3103
03:05:00.040 --> 03:05:03.799
Can a ship into like a basketball
and then have someone like ship it to

3104
03:05:03.920 --> 03:05:07.040
China like express? You know,
the best shipping would be really boring.

3105
03:05:07.200 --> 03:05:09.959
Fucking that's still a lot of time
that sweat their basketball. It's not bothering.

3106
03:05:11.079 --> 03:05:13.399
You don't have a brain. You
would still have a brain, because

3107
03:05:13.719 --> 03:05:16.680
how would I shape shift out that
I would fucking basketball? That'd be terrible,

3108
03:05:16.760 --> 03:05:20.840
like a background process though you can
come out of sleep mod when everyone

3109
03:05:20.559 --> 03:05:24.799
no, no, I would probably. I think teleport would be far more

3110
03:05:24.920 --> 03:05:30.000
useful. Could rob banks? Yeah, things that like, But you could

3111
03:05:30.040 --> 03:05:33.520
shape shift into the boss of the
bank. You still have to get you

3112
03:05:33.559 --> 03:05:35.920
still have to get the money out
of there. You still if you're the

3113
03:05:35.920 --> 03:05:37.120
boss of the bank, you can
walk around with big dollar sign bags and

3114
03:05:37.120 --> 03:05:43.399
no one's gonna ask you questions.
MP has so many more like prank uses.

3115
03:05:43.040 --> 03:05:46.360
You could do so much shit with
shape shifting. Most of mine would

3116
03:05:46.360 --> 03:05:50.239
be John Drake, but it would
be great for a lot of purposes.

3117
03:05:50.520 --> 03:05:52.159
You're just you're telling me that you
want to be John Drake, which I

3118
03:05:52.239 --> 03:05:58.479
think, oh I would a I
agree, Yeah, but also that's really

3119
03:05:58.520 --> 03:06:01.840
haunting. Or let's say like there's
some celebrity or something that's supposed to be

3120
03:06:01.959 --> 03:06:05.959
on the Tonight Show or something,
shape shift into him, get there before

3121
03:06:07.079 --> 03:06:09.959
the real celebrity and go on,
just do some super weird thing, like

3122
03:06:09.079 --> 03:06:13.159
some old Crispin Glover deal, and
they'd be all over the news. Okay,

3123
03:06:13.159 --> 03:06:15.360
if you were going to be a
shape shifter, the actual right thing

3124
03:06:15.399 --> 03:06:18.639
to do would be to start your
own TMZ competitor and then take a bunch

3125
03:06:18.639 --> 03:06:22.600
of fucking candid photos stuff of all
of these people and get all these hot

3126
03:06:22.639 --> 03:06:28.040
exclusives of you know, like,
hey, here's some details, and I'm

3127
03:06:28.120 --> 03:06:31.360
totally this guy that's really dark.
That's that's like Biptanon using the time machine

3128
03:06:31.600 --> 03:06:37.159
to do gambling stuff. I'm Paul
Giamatti here to tell you I love Heroin.

3129
03:06:37.360 --> 03:06:43.879
And then like Paul Giamatti admits to
Heroin dead no thinking, Paul prevenza.

3130
03:06:46.000 --> 03:06:48.479
Uh and you know, just you
kind of get those or yes,

3131
03:06:48.600 --> 03:06:52.920
or you shape shift into people that
are de ceased and then cause hijenks.

3132
03:06:52.000 --> 03:06:56.680
Wow. That's before he passed away. He recorded this message for us.

3133
03:06:56.879 --> 03:07:01.200
It's tupac vote Trump. Weird.
Weird. I hear might bequeath all of

3134
03:07:01.239 --> 03:07:05.319
my living possessions to Dan Record of
San Francisco, California. Yeah, yeah,

3135
03:07:05.360 --> 03:07:09.360
thanks. I told you to teleport, man, I mean, yeah,

3136
03:07:09.399 --> 03:07:13.040
that'd be sweet. Yeah. Why
wouldn't you want to teleport? Like,

3137
03:07:13.159 --> 03:07:15.920
look, there's three stairs to get
up into the restaurant. Look,

3138
03:07:15.920 --> 03:07:18.040
I don't have to climb up that
shot. I'm just gonna teleport right to

3139
03:07:18.040 --> 03:07:18.680
the top of those stairs. You
get out of shape, real, QUI

3140
03:07:18.719 --> 03:07:22.959
though, you just look Look,
I guess if you can teleport. Yeah,

3141
03:07:22.360 --> 03:07:24.159
if you can teleport, why do
you need to be in shape?

3142
03:07:24.200 --> 03:07:28.200
Could do whatever you want. And
it's a good point. Yeah. And

3143
03:07:28.239 --> 03:07:31.200
I wouldn't teleport everywhere. I would
teleport long distances or convene. Well,

3144
03:07:31.239 --> 03:07:33.200
no, that's not true. Once
you once you could do it, you'd

3145
03:07:33.239 --> 03:07:35.079
be like, well, I have
to go to the bathroom blank, and

3146
03:07:35.120 --> 03:07:39.120
then I'm here, I am in
the bathroom if you could teleport, would

3147
03:07:39.120 --> 03:07:41.760
they have to draft new rules for
like every majors, Like, as soon

3148
03:07:41.799 --> 03:07:43.799
as one person on the planet can
teleport, does the NFL and the NBA

3149
03:07:43.840 --> 03:07:46.000
and I have to like make new
rules. You gotta keep that sht on

3150
03:07:46.040 --> 03:07:48.239
the day I don't tell no.
Yeah, if you, if you,

3151
03:07:48.399 --> 03:07:50.879
if you like teleport, as soon
as there's a closed room murder mystery,

3152
03:07:50.959 --> 03:07:54.200
then who's knocking on your door?
The five oh? I would love to

3153
03:07:54.280 --> 03:07:58.680
actually like instead of teleport, like
the ability to move at flash like speeds

3154
03:07:58.719 --> 03:08:03.159
that are indistinguishable from teleporting, you
know, so that you actually had to

3155
03:08:03.200 --> 03:08:07.559
cover that ground yourself a little bit. That would be helpful because then you

3156
03:08:07.559 --> 03:08:11.920
would be moving so fast that you
could rob a bank without being seen.

3157
03:08:11.639 --> 03:08:15.040
I don't know, if I see
the count you still cameras would be pretty

3158
03:08:15.040 --> 03:08:18.280
good. You can still trip right
to not just be a blur if I

3159
03:08:18.319 --> 03:08:20.799
mean, if you trip, you
get your up in faster than you Well,

3160
03:08:20.879 --> 03:08:22.319
let's toss this in there. What
about the freeze time ability? That's

3161
03:08:22.360 --> 03:08:26.479
great grand robbing banks? Yeah,
no, the's not on the table.

3162
03:08:26.760 --> 03:08:31.120
Awful things you could do if you
could stop time in terms of just implanting

3163
03:08:31.159 --> 03:08:33.959
memories and people's brains. I would
wait till there's a big important business meeting

3164
03:08:33.959 --> 03:08:35.879
at Sony, and then I would
go take John Drake's finger and put it

3165
03:08:35.959 --> 03:08:39.639
in his nose and unfreeze time.
Okay, just do that over and over

3166
03:08:39.680 --> 03:08:43.079
again. Stop stop there, like
undress him and put him in the middle

3167
03:08:43.079 --> 03:08:46.840
of the conference or something. You
guys want to be John, Then get

3168
03:08:46.920 --> 03:08:50.000
John Drake naked, all right,
go on, switch Drake in boys' clothes.

3169
03:08:50.079 --> 03:08:52.200
That would be funny. That would
be funny. Yeah, yeah,

3170
03:08:52.840 --> 03:08:54.920
here you go here you like,
suspend, suspend the can of paint upside

3171
03:08:54.920 --> 03:08:58.760
down over his head and then unfree
time. Like come on, man o,

3172
03:08:58.000 --> 03:09:01.559
man, I think creatively. If
you have teleport, you could be

3173
03:09:01.760 --> 03:09:03.280
it's like ultimate weapon too, because
you're just like I'm going to teleport my

3174
03:09:03.360 --> 03:09:07.840
hand into your chest and then your
chest would explode but kill people. But

3175
03:09:07.879 --> 03:09:11.040
if you but I will say,
it's almost could you telefrag people? That

3176
03:09:11.079 --> 03:09:15.799
actually? Okay? All right,
yeah, yeah, askay, you're fine,

3177
03:09:15.840 --> 03:09:18.920
all right, it's the telefraggy that
has the problem. Not right,

3178
03:09:18.000 --> 03:09:24.079
that's a good point. I'm in. I'm double in on teleport because I

3179
03:09:24.120 --> 03:09:26.639
could get home fast. That'd be
great. Yeah, just move closer.

3180
03:09:26.719 --> 03:09:28.840
Do you think you have to do
the little jumps you have to do?

3181
03:09:28.959 --> 03:09:33.680
Like jump it's SCEs really fucking expensive, man, Yes, you can't rob

3182
03:09:33.799 --> 03:09:35.680
enough banks to before it. I
think I think shape shifting is so good

3183
03:09:35.719 --> 03:09:37.959
that you have to say that you
would be able to teleport anywhere in the

3184
03:09:39.000 --> 03:09:41.159
world instantly. Yeah, what about
to balance it out? Yeah, otherwise

3185
03:09:41.200 --> 03:09:43.280
it would be a no brainer.
What if do you but can you tell,

3186
03:09:43.360 --> 03:09:46.280
like, can you tell that the
landing zone is going to be clear?

3187
03:09:46.360 --> 03:09:50.840
Could you accidentally telefrag? People say
you can it's safely teleport anywhere in

3188
03:09:50.840 --> 03:09:52.840
the cold instantly, because I wouldn't
want to have innocent by Sanders killed.

3189
03:09:54.040 --> 03:09:58.440
Just people who deserve him, right, bad people. There's somebody who's lived

3190
03:09:58.440 --> 03:10:01.239
across the countr from their family for
well over a decade. I would easily

3191
03:10:01.280 --> 03:10:07.959
go with teleport switched to shape shifter. You don't have to tell your family

3192
03:10:09.000 --> 03:10:11.000
that you can telephone. I don't
know. Oh man, all right,

3193
03:10:11.120 --> 03:10:13.639
hey, why why don't you come
home work? Well, it's really it's

3194
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like six hours of the airplane.
It's really expensive here, asshole, what's

3195
03:10:18.840 --> 03:10:22.280
wrong with you? Like, I'm
busy It's just like I have to eat

3196
03:10:22.280 --> 03:10:24.440
a lot of a lot of It
takes a lot of I do a lot

3197
03:10:24.479 --> 03:10:31.079
of food afterwards, burns a lot
of calories. Hummus is all that makes

3198
03:10:31.120 --> 03:10:35.200
it work. I'm like, hummus, all right, I'd be a fucking

3199
03:10:35.280 --> 03:10:39.719
horrible, fucking like price to pay. Like you can teleport anywhere, but

3200
03:10:39.760 --> 03:10:43.719
it's fueled by hummus. Must the
best man we're talking about. I like

3201
03:10:43.799 --> 03:10:48.920
hummus just makes me real gass good. Thanks, super super useful informations.

3202
03:10:50.360 --> 03:10:54.360
No anyway, all right, that's
it. I can't do any more emails

3203
03:10:54.360 --> 03:10:58.239
after that. BombCast and giant bomb
dot com. Thanks for being here,

3204
03:10:58.280 --> 03:11:01.120
Will Smith, thank you for having
me. This was fun. Yeah,

3205
03:11:01.399 --> 03:11:05.040
that's life these days. You should
check out the Food Show if you have

3206
03:11:05.159 --> 03:11:09.399
a VR headset. We updated a
couple of weeks ago, and the Jankie

3207
03:11:09.719 --> 03:11:13.959
arm animation is significantly better now,
so we use I don't know why you

3208
03:11:15.000 --> 03:11:16.719
would actually want to fix any of
that machine. I mean I do know

3209
03:11:16.879 --> 03:11:22.959
why, but we trained algorithms to
learn how human bodies actually move, and

3210
03:11:24.079 --> 03:11:26.680
now we can strain based on that, and they look pretty good. I

3211
03:11:26.040 --> 03:11:31.479
really enjoyed the charm of the look
insane body movements in that thing. If

3212
03:11:31.520 --> 03:11:33.239
you take the headset off, you
still melt into the floor. Okay,

3213
03:11:33.360 --> 03:11:35.520
all right, so we got that. As long as that's in, there's

3214
03:11:35.760 --> 03:11:39.000
still lots of room for jank in
there. Great, Like when we do

3215
03:11:41.239 --> 03:11:43.600
in the future, we were going
to do things that will break it in

3216
03:11:43.799 --> 03:11:46.360
new exciting ways. So yeah,
there's always the chance that's going to fly

3217
03:11:46.440 --> 03:11:50.840
off the rails next one. Great, great, but more stuff coming in

3218
03:11:50.920 --> 03:11:54.520
the not too two distant future.
Yeah, cool, cool, as far

3219
03:11:54.600 --> 03:11:58.000
as this place goes. Jason's out
all week, right, yep, but

3220
03:11:58.079 --> 03:12:00.760
Drew's back tomorrow. We'll be back
tomorrow so we can at least try to

3221
03:12:01.079 --> 03:12:03.719
cobble some form of production stuff together. What are you guys doing? Those

3222
03:12:03.719 --> 03:12:07.559
guys are gone, Just kind of
sit around and we'll answer emails all day

3223
03:12:07.719 --> 03:12:11.719
day. It's podcast for me,
but for it's back tomorrow, so okay,

3224
03:12:11.840 --> 03:12:16.200
let's never let this happen again.
All right. I learned how to

3225
03:12:16.280 --> 03:12:18.760
use most of the gear, but
not that's true. Moved, that's true,

3226
03:12:18.840 --> 03:12:22.920
Jeff. Jeff did handled a good
bit of that last year during the

3227
03:12:22.639 --> 03:12:28.559
production apocalypse or whatever. Yea,
all right, thanks for being here.

3228
03:12:28.840 --> 03:12:31.639
I thank you as we said,
Uh, We're gonna get the heck out

3229
03:12:31.680 --> 03:12:37.799
of here. We'll be back next
week with a regularly scheduled edition of the Giant Bodcast