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T J leaves Well, I 17 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:33,079 am somewhat back in the saddle off of vacation. Yet it is still the 18 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:37,519 twins birthday week, wrapping up like the twins birthday month, So I'm trying 19 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,480 to keep it all straight and to help me do that and to help me 20 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:46,560 preview the weekend in the ring and go over some news and some nostalgia is 21 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:49,239 one Dan Raphael. It's good to be back with you, my friend. 22 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,480 We made it work while I was on vacation. Now it's kind of the 23 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:56,519 normal way that we record things. It sounds like it normally sounds, but 24 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,480 we may do last week it plus the peeps. We're tuning in to hear 25 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:02,719 you with Gil Ortiz as well on the recap podcast. Anyway, how are 26 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:07,000 you feeling. We're ready to wrap up June. We're halfway through the year. 27 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,120 We're ready to wrap up June this weekend. How are things? Things 28 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,680 are good? I'm ready to go. And and by the way, I 29 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:17,199 have been at the DMV earlier today at the time that we're doing this it 30 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:23,840 was not a harrowing experience. But both twins are now learners. They're driving 31 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,680 learners, permit holders. They are not street legal yet. That is a 32 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:30,599 year from now, so look out on the Florida roadways that's upcoming. You 33 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:34,080 will be here in a few years, my friend, you will be here 34 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,240 with your son and a few were doing this same thing. Just remember this, 35 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,479 you'll be here, so just stand by there. I only have one 36 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,680 son. You've got that writers and by the way, both of them under 37 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:47,919 the delusion that's the word that we're going to use on a Friday podcast, 38 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:54,280 delusion that they are each going to have their own automobile. Think again, 39 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:01,240 because dad doesn't make Kenelo Alvarez money. Let's just say or Tyson fury or 40 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:06,520 Dan Rafael money, or Dan Rayfield money for that matter. Podcast isn't generating 41 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,960 that moment. No, we're not able to buy two vehicles for them for 42 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,159 sweet sixteen. But in any event, reeves household driving aside. It is 43 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:15,319 good to have you with us. Thank you for finding us. Make sure 44 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:20,280 you rate and review The Big Fight Weekend podcast feed wherever you get podcasts, 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,159 Apple podcast, Google Podcasts, Spotify. It helps us if you review US 46 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:27,479 review, US five star review. It takes ten seconds. Go do that 47 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,680 now before the month of June ends, because it helps us with the algorithms. 48 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:35,199 It moves the podcast up and again. Thousands and thousands and thousands and 49 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,400 thousands of you have been finding us through the first half of this year. 50 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:40,759 Keep it up, keep rating, US, reviewing US, keep following, 51 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,280 keep subscribing. It's all good with a preview going into the weekend and a 52 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:49,000 recap coming off of the weekend. I want to tell you upfront you will 53 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:52,080 hear from one of the top fighters I believe in all of boxing. I 54 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:55,280 keep saying this. He is the best welterweight that doesn't have a world title. 55 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:59,240 He is one of the best fighters in the world in any division. 56 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Will work for him. I don't I don't get paid to say this, 57 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,039 but I think Geron boots In is as talented as anybody that doesn't have a 58 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:09,879 world title belt. You will hear from him with the Dan Raphael In just 59 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:14,159 a little bit. You obviously don't count his interim title belt. The interim 60 00:04:14,199 --> 00:04:16,199 is not it. No, it's not the one, not as of yet. 61 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:21,040 But I mean this guy again, what do I know? He looks 62 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:24,879 as good as anybody that doesn't have one. You'll hear from him in a 63 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,480 little bit on the podcast from Boots and a headlining July eighth in Atlantic City 64 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,199 against Via In. That headlining fight for showtime in PBC. We'll look forward 65 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:36,839 to Dan's conversation with him before we get there. We have a heavyweight battle 66 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:41,160 with an up and coming contender in a main event is hometown. We have 67 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,279 a women's undisputed title fight in Manchester, England, so we're ready to roll 68 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,199 the sleeves up and talk all about this. Let's begin with Jared Real Big 69 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:55,600 Baby Anderson and a newer replacement fighter not at the very last second, but 70 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,480 Charles Martin, the American heavyweight is the opponent. Anderson is head lining for 71 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,360 the first time for a top rank boxing in his hometown of Toledo, coming 72 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:10,120 up Saturday night ESPN. Dan Ray feels some thoughts because the guy has a 73 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,319 lot of potential and a lot of knockouts, and I think a lot of 74 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,560 people are expecting this will be a fairly quick one. Maybe you don't think 75 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,720 so, but some thoughts on Real Big Baby back in the ring. Well, 76 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:21,480 I mean, given the punching power that these two guys have Charles Martin 77 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,680 and Jared Anderson, and the fact that they've knocked most of their guys out 78 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:31,040 and Charles Martin and his losses has been knocked out, you gotta figure this 79 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,439 is not going to see the final bell. Now, as you mentioned, 80 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,680 this is a this is a late replacement. This was a fight that came 81 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:41,240 up. This was a replacement that wasn't that long ago. I mean as 82 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,600 of what to fight is on Saturday, like June twenty third, twenty seconds 83 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,360 something like that. They made the switch because the original opponent that Jared Anderson, 84 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,600 was supposed to fight a much less known fighter than Charles Martin, at 85 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,240 least here in the United States anyway. He was supposed to fight the undefeated 86 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,240 fighter from Kazistan, another South named Zon Sabootski, and he had problems with 87 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,759 his visa and so when that happened, Top rank, you know, they 88 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,199 didn't want to lose the date and mest things up, so at some point 89 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:09,680 you got to make the decision. They pull the plug. So maybe he'll 90 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,959 fight that guy at some later date. In any event, Charles Martin, 91 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:16,240 the former IBF title holder, which was a fight that Top Rank has been 92 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,040 interested to make for Jared Anderson for a while. They were able to actually 93 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:25,399 get him to take this fight on somewhat short notice. And you know, 94 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:28,800 he didn't have to change training from our firm a right hander to a left 95 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,720 hander, because he was already training for a lefty, which Charles Martin is, 96 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,879 and Charles Martin comes in, at least from my perspective anyway, is 97 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,720 a much more interesting fight. And I say that because at least he's known, 98 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,240 we've seen him now. He may not be pound for pound, he 99 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,560 may not be, you know, a serious threat to be the heavyweight champion, 100 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,839 but he did have a title for a quick minute. And he has 101 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:49,839 fought quality fighters over the years. And he's big, and he's strong, 102 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:54,680 and he's got great punching power. He's got twenty six knockouts in his twenty 103 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:59,480 nine the victories. He has been stopped twice in his losses. I mean, 104 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,199 of course, famously against Anthony Joshua when he lost the idea of belt 105 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:06,160 that he altar like about thirty seconds. And he is coming off to win 106 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:09,800 over Devin Vargas, who is you know, everybody's favorite punching back when they're 107 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,519 trying to come back from a win. Um. He had got stopped by 108 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,560 Louis King Congo Ortiz in a in a pretty good shootout kind of fight that 109 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,959 was on one of the PBC pay per view cards. The headliner backup uh 110 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,519 in January two, keeps saying this, he had Ortiz down in that fight, 111 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,000 down twice. I believe in that fight before Ortiz came back and stopped 112 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,920 Charles Martin. And its only other th loss. You'd have to go back 113 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:31,680 to the twenty eighteen which is a good fight. He loss, uh, 114 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,600 you know, a highly competitive decision to Adam Kunaki who at that time was 115 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,319 undefeated and was still on the rise and you know, marching towards you know, 116 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:44,879 being a top contender. So I mean, you know, he's a 117 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,519 guy that's a great athlete. He came to boxing very late in terms of 118 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,399 your normal boxer, in terms of Charles Martin. Um. You know, 119 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:55,480 he also has a win against, for example, a knockout against Gerald Washington, 120 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:58,759 another tremendous athlete who was a football player came to boxing, who also 121 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,680 fought for the title against the aunt Day Wilder. Point here is this Toledo, 122 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,519 Ohio is Jared Anderson's hometown. He has never fought there as a professional. 123 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,639 Uh, the top rank has always done a good job of bringing their 124 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,959 younger fighters to make them have a home base where they can bring them for 125 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,199 fight cell tickets, get the locals excited. And that's exactly what's happening here. 126 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,040 Jared Anderson is like a big deal. What else is going on in 127 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,319 Toledo, Ohio in the middle of June and July, you know, maybe 128 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:30,120 a minor league baseball game. I mean, you know, there's no other 129 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,320 there's still the mud Hands. They were the Toledo mud Hands. Give me 130 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,399 five bonus points. I don't know if they're still the mud Hands, but 131 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,840 they were at one point. Again, that's that's middle of the summer, 132 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,679 a baseball game they play out, you know, eighty something home game. 133 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,240 So in Toledo, Ohio, this is like a big deal. And they're 134 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,919 having it at like the local arena, and you know it'll you know, 135 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,799 I'm sure it'll be covered by the local press and on the TV, radio, 136 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,639 etc. And so you gotta you gotta bring them home and turn a 137 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,000 loose And that's what they're doing. And he's on his way, Jared. 138 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,519 Interesting, if he wins this fight in particular, will be probably, Uh, 139 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,200 I don't know if I could say it's I guess it would be his 140 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,399 best when he does have the win over Jerry Forrest, who was like a 141 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:11,879 Fringish contenter. Yeah, I guess. I guess I would say this would 142 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:15,559 be his biggest win just in Thames in terms of the name recognition and the 143 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,879 fact that he was however, briefly a Helida world title for for a minute, 144 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,240 and he's in with a guy they can definitely crack. So it's to 145 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,720 me anyway, this is this main event, is a more interesting matchup than 146 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:35,600 when he was fighting the fighter from Kazakhstan. I'm more intrigued by it. 147 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:37,879 I expect him to go there, let it all hang out. But listen, 148 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:39,679 in the end, hard to pick against shared Anderson the way he's been 149 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,600 fighting. He's a much younger guy. You're talking about a twenty three year 150 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,080 old fighter, you know, who's not even you know, in remotely in 151 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,080 his prime yet, but certainly approaching it anyway, against the guy that's thirty 152 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,000 seven and has been stopped a bunch of you know, a few a couple 153 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,679 of times anyway, way, and Uh doesn't have that kind of durability. 154 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,080 But I want to tell you one thing. It's heavy boxing, and I'm 155 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,159 not sitting here telling you it's gonna be an upset. I'm not. I'm 156 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,720 not, you know, overly dryntizing this. Charles Martin can punch and in 157 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,320 heavyweight boxing more than any other way class. It takes one shot. And 158 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,679 Jerry Forrest, who was like a second tier contender, pretty decent fighter, 159 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,279 but nothing spectacular. He fought Jared Anderson in December at Madison's Word Guard and 160 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,639 what most people remember is that Jared Anderson destroyed him in the second round. 161 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:31,440 But they might not remember is that he buzzed Jared Anderson with a big shot 162 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:35,200 in the first round. If Charles Martin lands that kind of punch, he 163 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,639 might knock Jared Anderson out because he's a much bigger puncher in my opinion anyway, 164 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,399 than Jerry Forrest. So all I'm saying is, I don't blink, 165 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:50,919 but you expect Anderson to win. But crazier shit's happened. Man. When 166 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,799 a big pleasure in the heavyweight division lands a shot, you never know, 167 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:58,480 So there is intrigue as soon as that bell rings because you just don't know. 168 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,360 So I'm interested in if Anderson wins, he moves on, and we're 169 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:09,039 seeing the evolution of a fighter that, at least now many people believe not 170 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,960 only the best young American heavyweight, but the best up and coming heavyweight in 171 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,759 boxing and a future heavyweight champion. But we a lot of us said that 172 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,519 about a lot of fighters over the years. You know, maybe I'm dating 173 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:22,720 myself, but when I first started, the big guy was supposed to be 174 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:24,960 the next heavyweight champ, the next American star was supposed to be Michael Grant, 175 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,200 first heavyweight, first fight I ever covered when I got the full time 176 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,480 job as the boxer writer at USA Today, the challenge Lennox lewis, you 177 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:37,519 got knocked the fuck out in the second round, and there went Michael Grant, 178 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,840 and there went Michael Grant. Yeah. So there's a long litany of 179 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,120 other ones too that we're supposed to be and could not. We'll see again. 180 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,080 Anderson is a fourteen to one favorite, by the way, on the 181 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:48,720 bet Us line. Will make the bet Us Boxing Show predictions at one Eastern 182 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,480 time on Friday on the bet Us platforms their YouTube, their Twitter, their 183 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:58,039 twitch, etc. Four and a half brother Rayphael is the over under on 184 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,960 rounds very intriguing that will make some handicap predictions on this, And again, 185 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,039 it's a ten round fight, not a twelve round fight. Correct, I'm 186 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,879 just double checking. So four and a half in a ten round fight is 187 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,440 interesting. On how you might step on the accelerator a little quicker because you 188 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,200 don't have as many rounds to play with. I don't know, so that's 189 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,360 that's interesting. On that one. Again, Anderson is supposed to splat Charles 190 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,840 Martin, but that's why they lay some up. I was just thinking Andy 191 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,159 Ruise when you said that. And Ruise has kind of been in the news 192 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,559 and he and Deontay Wilder back and forth insulting each other on who doesn't want 193 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,039 to give who the right money. But I mean, what Ruise did four 194 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:39,000 years ago this month to Anthony Joshua wasn't one singular punch, but it was 195 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,360 a big right hand that rocked Joshua and eventually he dropped, and he dropped 196 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,919 three more times and got stopped after that. So you don't know, you 197 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,559 don't know in heavyweight boxing, and that's one of the intrigues about that. 198 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:56,399 For the ESPN Top Ranked show on Saturday Night, continuing on on the preview, 199 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,440 we have a women's a super middle eight undisputed world title fight. Franshawn 200 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Cruz Dessern and Savannah Marshall will fight in Manchester, England, ten two minute 201 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,279 rounds for the WBC, w BO, IBF and WBA Women's Super Middleweight Championships. 202 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,240 A right, they've been building this one up in England. Obviously. 203 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:24,399 We have numerous undisputed champions, including Claressa Shields who defeated Savannah Marshall recently, 204 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:31,399 along with others. Katie Taylor lost her undisputed titles to Chantel Cameron. No 205 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,000 no, no, no, no, She's still she still has the light 206 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:37,559 winds. She lost camera. She lost to Cameron, who has the undisputed 207 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,440 titles right at the other weight class. So Taylor is still undisputed. And 208 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,120 then there's someone else that's undisputed as well, I think in the in the 209 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,080 women's boxing. But this is not uncommon, It's not uncommon. Point yeah, 210 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,519 and one hundred and thirty pounds. You have a Laicia Chabaum Garners the 211 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,120 undisputed champion and one hundred thirty five pounds. Katie Taylor's undisputed at one hundred 212 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,600 and forty pounds it's Chantel Cameron who feated Katie Taylor, but it was for 213 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,279 the one forty title, not for the one thirty five title. Claressa shields 214 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:09,200 it is the undisputed champion at middleweight, and Franshawn Cruise dessern is the undisputed 215 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:11,759 champion at super middleweight. So if I counted correctly, and again public school 216 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,159 education, that's five undisputed champions in the span of six weight classes in women's 217 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,000 boxing. And again you can criticize depth of divisions and blah blah blah. 218 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:24,720 By the way, all belts are on the line, all four of them 219 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,480 are on the line for this fight Saturday, So I mean and Jessica McCaskill, 220 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,320 she was the undisputed welterweight champion, and the only reason that she's no 221 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:37,240 longer the undisputed welterweight champion is because in her in her last fight, she 222 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,360 went down and fought at one hundred forty against Cameron for Cameron's two belts and 223 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,480 two vacant belts, and she lost. And by losing in the lower weight 224 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:48,519 class, she ended up getting stripped of two of the titles by the other 225 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:52,279 organizations. Even though she never lost in her weight division, so she has 226 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,120 a claim I don't. I guess although, and we will get too much 227 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,399 in this, but we don't have a date yet at our location. What 228 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,960 she schools to fight Sandy Ryan to unified three of the belts now at Walter 229 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,279 Wait. The point is in women's boxing, the best consistently fight the best, 230 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,559 and in terms of Francion Cruise taken on Savannah Marshall, they're two of 231 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:15,000 the better women. If you were making pound for poundless for women's boxing, 232 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,159 they'd probably be in that top ten or twelve. Francia on Cruise as a 233 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,159 tremendous talented fighter. She fought Claressa Shields and her pro debut, and it 234 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,080 was also Claressa Shieldsa's pro debut. It was a war for four rounds. 235 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Shields won the fight. I was ringside. It was on the undercard of 236 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,279 one of the Andre Word Sergey Coba Left fights. I suspected down the road 237 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,679 that we will see Francion Cruise, Dessern and Claressa Shields fight a rematch at 238 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,639 some point. That would be obviously a big fight for women's boxing. But 239 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,399 well, Claressa one belts at one sixty eight and then dropped down and as 240 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,279 now one she was undisputed at one fifty four, currently undisputed up one sixty. 241 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,960 She has been in those three weight classes, but after Claressa left one 242 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,320 sixty eight, it sort of became Franchi on Cruise's division to clean up, 243 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,840 and she unified it all the belts. She's been a little bit inactive Savannah. 244 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,559 As you mentioned, she lost her her middleweight belt to Claressa in the 245 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,840 last fight, and so now she has moved up in wait and she's gonna 246 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,240 challenge Uh we'll call it. Let's say what's called the Claressa Shields loser's bracket. 247 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:15,919 You know they're both that the two they're only losses. Claressa beat both 248 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,679 them in their only defeat. Savannah's only a loss, of course to Shields 249 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,600 and Franch and cruise Is only loss was in the pro deview against Shields. 250 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:25,480 But this is a good matchup. I mean, I'm actually listen. I 251 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:26,840 think if people have been listening to us long enough, I've been to read 252 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,480 me long enough. I'm in no way shape or from my anti women's boxing, 253 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:34,159 But I I don't have the affinity for it as I do obviously for 254 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,080 the men's side of the sporting but when the best women fight each other, 255 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,480 I am interested. So when Katie Taylor is fighting Chantel Cameron, or when 256 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:44,200 she was fighting a Manda Toranto. Well, by the way, Manda Toranto 257 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,320 is also undisputed that featherweight. That's another one in the women's side of boxing. 258 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,080 But when they when when the when the best uh fight the best, 259 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,559 account me as interested. And when I when I see the Franchi on Cruise 260 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:57,480 is going to fight Savannah Marshall, I am interested. I'm very happy. 261 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:02,120 Now this is a main event in the UK because it's a Boxer card that's 262 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,960 on Sky Sports. Here in the United States, they made it a deal 263 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:07,319 with Top Rank to provide it for ESPN Plus. So here in the US 264 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,400 you got you can sing your day watching you know, the card from Boxer 265 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,440 on ESPM plus in the afternoon, and then they got the night in time 266 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,359 card with Jared Anderson on the regular network and ESPM plus later in the night. 267 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:23,079 But this is a good matchup, this is a this is an interesting 268 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,920 fight. I mean, if you like women's boxing, I could argue it's 269 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,799 the best against the best. One thing I noticed by the way t J 270 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:32,839 saw them do some media and when I saw them face soft, I did 271 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:33,880 not realize this. I mean, Savannah is moving up and wait, she 272 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,119 is much taller than a franch on Cruising. To me, when they went 273 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,839 nose to nose, it was really like nose to chin. I don't know 274 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,640 what that means, but that sort of made it more interesting to me anyway. 275 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,400 And again, Savannah Marshall is tremendously popular in its fought before in Manchester. 276 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:53,400 In fact, I think two or three times again, Cruise dessern is 277 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,240 a three and a half to one favorite on the bet Us line. Will 278 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:00,839 handicap this more on the show on Friday at one Eastern time. Very interesting 279 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,400 And I keep joking, I keep thinking the same thing when you keep saying 280 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,279 the best fight the best in women's boxing. I go back to the famous 281 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,519 bank robber that kept robbing banks and getting arrested, Willie Sutton, And they 282 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:12,839 kept saying, Willie, why do you keep robbing banks? Because that's where 283 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:17,119 the money is. They kept they kept talking because the best fight the best, 284 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,279 because that's where the money is in women's boxing. And so good on 285 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,759 them that they're willing to do this and and have the better fighters fight, 286 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,319 and move up and down in weight divisions to have the better fighters fighting. 287 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,680 Just one command of Serrano moved up to fight Katie Taylor and what was a 288 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,279 tremendous fight. So the one negative, the only one negative about that is 289 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,279 in terms of franch on Cruise Dessert. She has just been so inactive. 290 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,839 I don't I'm not in blaming her. I think part of it was promotional 291 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,880 things. You know, she was with Golden Boy, then she switched promoters. 292 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,480 But and there was the pandemic of course, which slowed a lot of 293 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:49,720 people. That she fought one time in two thousand and twenty, she fought 294 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:52,680 one time in two thousand and twenty one, she fought one time in two 295 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,079 thousand and twenty two. And now she's coming back for this fight that's on 296 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,359 Saturday, and it will mean that she's been She hasn't fought since April last 297 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,880 year, so she's coming off of a lengthy layoff and that that's just unfortunate 298 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,599 because she's you know, it's time to make your name, make your money, 299 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,680 make your legacy. And Savannah Marshall not that she's been the busiest fighter 300 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,000 of all time, but certainly much more so than Savannah, who also only 301 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:15,880 fought one time in twenty twenty, but she had two fights in twenty one. 302 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,119 She fought twice in twenty twenty two, including the loss against Clarescen, 303 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,839 and so she's been relatively speaking, a more active fighter. She's not, 304 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,960 you know, coming off less than a year layoff in terms of this fight, 305 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,480 because when she fought Shields it was back in October. So that's that's 306 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,079 the only negative. You'd like to see these top both in men's boxing and 307 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,480 one's boxing, and just be a little bit more in the ring. 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Yes, there's questions about competition, but before the 325 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,160 Shield's loss, she had third round knockout, second round knockout, third round 326 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,440 knockout in the previous three fights. So will the big punch be a factor? 327 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,240 We keep talking about one punch being a big deal. Ken Savannah Marshall 328 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,440 land that big punch. We'll see that Saturday afternoon in the US Saturday night 329 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:11,319 primetime Manchester, England, in that Boxers Sky Sports and now on ESPN Plus 330 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,079 as well in the US program. Okay, so there are the two primary 331 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,440 fight cards that we are the most interested in, and we have covered those 332 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,640 in the preview mode. So why don't we move on to someone that is 333 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:30,400 headlining in July July eighth, The Showtime main event against Romaine Villa is Jeron 334 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,640 Boots Ennis. Let's hear more from him, including positioning himself potentially for a 335 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,279 title shot. Right now, Well, I'd like to welcome to the podcast 336 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,519 this week. It is the IBF Interim welterweight champ. It is Jern Boots 337 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,519 Ennis, Boots, you got a good, interesting fight coming up July eighth. 338 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:52,039 You're the headliner on Showtime at Boardwalk Hall, taken on the contender Roman 339 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,599 Villa. First of all, thank you very much for doing this. How's 340 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,680 everything going for you? Thank you? Dare everything going great? You know? 341 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,720 Good? Almost time is right? I know you got a big smile 342 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:03,400 in your face when you say that. I know you like the fight. 343 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:08,880 So you're you're you're taking on a remaind via in this main event on Showtime, 344 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,559 and what I what I find interesting is uh, he's a totally different 345 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,440 kind of style than your last fight when you fought Hikadzi And so just to 346 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:22,000 back up to that fight, you fought Hikadzien Karen Shakadzien on January seventh. 347 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:26,960 That was so people remember that was the undercard of when Jervanta Tank Davis defeated 348 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,279 Hector Louis Garcia. And you know, you won every single round of the 349 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,039 fight, twelfth to nothing on all three official scorecards. I don't know if 350 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,039 anybody could in their right mind have given your opponent a single round in the 351 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,359 fight. But I think a lot of people were surprised. People predicted, 352 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,240 you know this. They thought, you know, boots And is going to 353 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:45,319 blow the guy in a couple of round It's going to be an easy night 354 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,599 at the office. And uh again, even though you won every single round, 355 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:51,440 I think it left a lot of people sort of like, wow, 356 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,200 that wasn't a very good fight. And you know Boots, Uh, yeah, 357 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:56,200 he won every round, but it wasn't maybe his greatest performance that we've 358 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,759 ever seen before. Do me a favor and assess you were performance in that 359 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,279 fight, because it's hard to be critical when a guy wins every round. 360 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:06,440 But you understand, boxing fans, they look at it. They didn't see 361 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,319 a knockout, and they saw you, uh you know, kind of have 362 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,200 him. You know, you had to chase them around for a while. 363 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:18,400 Yeah, I mean I said lead channel with pod be thinking and it was 364 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,720 it was it was good that I went to a round though, you know, 365 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,559 um it was good. You know, I learned a lot of things 366 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:26,519 from that fight. You know, I could have done a lot of things 367 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,039 better, but um it was a it was an okay performance. But me, 368 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,599 yeah, I could have done a lot of things, but it could 369 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,240 have been sharp, you know, jab and more one of the body the 370 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:37,960 lord earlier, you know. But you know, it's boxing, you know, 371 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,599 it's that's how you get better, that's how you learn, you know. 372 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:48,759 And I can't wait to July because like you didn't see energy, Well, 373 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,119 you did mention that you went twelve rounds, So I was gonna say, 374 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,640 maybe that was the silver lining because in looking over your record, you 375 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,920 had never been passed a sixth round before in a fight. And now do 376 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,799 you have at least in the back of your mind that you know what, 377 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,960 I can go ten rounds, I can go twelve rounds and it didn't even 378 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,759 seem like you were breathing. Have you when the fight was over? No, 379 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,880 I couldn't did tell more. I wasn't ship, you know, And 380 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,240 I went for this fight too, and I got to see a legendary performance, 381 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,000 you know, on July. You know, I'm ready to you know, 382 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:15,359 beat him up, prot him up, you know, and send him 383 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,519 home, you know. And I made a big steament. You know, 384 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:23,480 you did not go out. So when you fought against Shakadzian on January seventh, 385 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,640 the fight another fight that was at an undercard was your opponent, Villa, 386 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,519 who scored his biggest win I guess against Rashitty Ellis. It was a 387 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,440 dramatic kind of win. It was. He won a majority decision, but 388 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,480 he had to score two knockdowns in the twelfth round to secure that victory. 389 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,440 And I wondered, I mean, I guess you were preparing for your own 390 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,200 fight that night, but I have to assume that at some point you maybe 391 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,480 snuck a peek at it, or you went back after the fact and watched 392 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,440 the fight. Did you ever watch that performance on the same card that you 393 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,759 were on, and what do you think of it? I watched a little 394 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:53,440 bit of it, you know, when I was in a bank moment up 395 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,279 and things like that. I feel like it was a good fight. You 396 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,079 know. Um, I feel like RUSSI even done Russia. He was running, 397 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,279 you know, you got tired, and when he got tired, Uh, 398 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,000 he just he let Villa keep pushing the bank and and things like that, 399 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,039 and you got quirt. But it was a good fight, you know. 400 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,400 Yeah, I'm just a good fight. Is there anything that you can 401 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,400 take away from that when you try to make your own game plan and formulate 402 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,000 how you're gonna approach him. When you watch the way that he did his 403 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,000 work against Elis, I see I see a lot of things, you know, 404 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,880 And I'm not Russia the others. You know. I'm a whole different 405 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,039 animal, you know, and i got a whole dot of twols. Yeah, 406 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,400 I'm gonna use July. And I feel like from my Villa like he's 407 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,839 a good fight. But he just comes forward, no defense through big hooks, 408 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,319 no jobs. You know. It's just a lot of things that we've 409 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,160 seen in Uh, We're gonna be ready to life. Well, when you 410 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,160 mentioned about the kind of style that he has where he basically comes forward, 411 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,839 made me think to myself, whatever the fight, however, went, when 412 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,319 you had your last fight that wasn't maybe the most crowd pleasing to me, 413 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,079 that the way that Va fight's gonna play into, uh, combined with your 414 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,720 style to make it certainly a much more entertaining fight for the fans that are 415 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,759 either you know, they're in boardwalk call are watching on showtime. Do you 416 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,480 feel like because of that style, it's gonna it's gonna make for just a 417 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,920 better fight to watch. I feel like, hey, that feel like style. 418 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:19,839 It's pretty frue for me. You know, it's it's gonna be, 419 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480 it's gonna be, it's gonna be a good show. I just can't wait. 420 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,680 You know, Hey, like I said, he comes forward, pressure, 421 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,799 don't move his here, he's he's gonna have a long night. You 422 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,880 know, when you two were on the same show January seventh, did you 423 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,799 sort of figure that, you know, if you win your fight and whoever 424 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,640 won the other fight, that you're probably gonna wind hip fighting that guy in 425 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,400 the future. And it just so happens now it's the next match. I 426 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,000 definitely thought I was gonna fight the winner, you know, in the future, 427 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:49,920 but I ain't think it was gonna be this this soon, you know. 428 00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:55,519 I think I was trying to um it was aiming for keep Doling, 429 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,039 But I don't know what keep Doling doing. Don't think he's fighting no time 430 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,880 soon. So and I don't want to. I ain't wanna be sitting around. 431 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,319 I wanted to stay egg, you know, stuy busy and at least 432 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:07,119 three fights out this year, only for one time last year, So watt 433 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,279 stay egg. Steve didn't. I was like, why not you know, 434 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,720 fight you know, and put on a show. You know, No, 435 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,319 I listen, I totally understand if you can get a fight with Keith Thurman 436 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,079 down the road. I mean that would certainly be a you know, a 437 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,000 real cross where it's fight interesting fight for a lot of people who guys to 438 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,160 you know who guys the winner stand on this and we're jorg Tee, you 439 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,359 know, the winner bus Man. It's a lot of great fights that we 440 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,559 can meet, you know, and hopefully we make these fights having because I'm 441 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,640 I'm tired of waiting around for you guys. Well, that actually leads me 442 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,960 to the other one of the other questions I wanted to ask you about. 443 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,519 But you you are twenty six years old, so you're no longer like the 444 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,200 twenty one year old kid that was coming up that needed the seasoning. You 445 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,839 fought some, you know, some solid names at this point, even if 446 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,039 not big star names. You have an interim title, You've got thirty professional 447 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,359 fights, but you still haven't gotten the fight with like a really well known 448 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,839 fighter. I mean, yeah, you got the fight with like a lipping 449 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:06,079 it for example. Is there is there any sense of frustration that that a 450 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,359 lot of guys just aren't interested to fight you for whatever the reasons are, 451 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,640 either you're too good, there's not enough money, you don't have a world 452 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,640 title, whatever it is, How do you how do you deal with that? 453 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,079 I mean, I deal with about just staying in a gym, and 454 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,119 and it's kind of you know, better than myself, you know, it 455 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,319 is you know, it's it doesn't bother me, but it's just it's it's 456 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240 like weird, like everybody else getting these fights, and and you know, 457 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,079 I'm I'm not, I'm the layers resort. You know, you got it 458 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,200 to fight, So I mean, it's it's fine though, you know, 459 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,319 it's like a sign to respect a little bit to me, you know. 460 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880 But and then the day they got to see me, and we're gonna we're 461 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,920 gonna meet soon all of you guys. Three seven. Well, one of 462 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,759 the things you mentioned earlier about you know, maybe one of the bigger fights 463 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,519 will be you fighting the winner of Errol Spence and Crawford. So three weeks 464 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,240 after your fight, you have that big fight coming up. That's the probably 465 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,720 the biggest fight of the year for the undisputed welterweight title. UM, and 466 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,279 I'm interested in your view of that fight. Had I mean, you're gonna 467 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,839 I'm assuming pay close attention. You're gonna be where you already are, the 468 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,799 mandatory challenger in the IBF for the winner, given the fact that you're their 469 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,279 interim champion. So what is your take? Everybody has an opinion on Errol 470 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,680 Spence and Terence Crawford. H that's a that's a great fight. You know, 471 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:21,319 that's a fifty fifty fight to me. And I feel like, um 472 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,200 is gonna come down to in the best set who had the most dog, 473 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,680 the most meanness, you know, whoever, who ready you know to take 474 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,920 take you know, take the boat, take them boats from each other, 475 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,319 Like whoever gonna whoever locked in the most like is it? I feel like 476 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,079 and we're not gonna do it until fighting night, And I feel like, 477 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,079 I don't know made the best man win, but I don't know. I 478 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,559 feel like it's gonna be a great fight. You know, well we agree 479 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,480 about that. One thing about it though, is uh, okay, somebody 480 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,839 knows they have a rematch clause, there's a good chance that they'll fight a 481 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,119 second time. A lot of other people in the division will be waiting or 482 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,240 in position, such as yourself with the IBF the winner of the Ortiz and 483 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:03,359 stanionis fight that comes up also, uh in early July. Um, do 484 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,359 you think that that that you'll ever get a chance to fight? I mean, 485 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,119 you're gonna if you If they don't fight you, you'll become the IBF 486 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,400 champion because they'll have left the division are vacated. But do you feel like 487 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,680 that there's a chance at one of those guys who are really from a different 488 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,279 era than you, they're the era you know before you. I guess given 489 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,880 their age and their experience level in the pros. Uh, do you think 490 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,000 any one of them will ever fight you? Or do you feel like your 491 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:27,680 bigger fights you're gonna come with that The group of guys that are of your 492 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,279 time, your age. I mean hopefully you know, uh are you just 493 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,359 saying you know, they got rematch closed and things like that, but hopefully 494 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,119 you know, uh, you on insight one time and I'll be able to, 495 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,000 you know, fight one of those guys, you know, and I'll 496 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,599 fight the winner and and then you know, uh go ahead and collect out 497 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,759 the belts and then go ahead and move to fitting for it. You know, 498 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,000 we'll defend it, you know, defend defend, understood it in a 499 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,039 couple of times against you know, a couple of top guys you're you know, 500 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,200 the one out of routines as then you know this, you know you 501 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,799 still got you guys. You know, I'm probably missing a few people, 502 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,480 but um, yeah, that's the gou you know, um, the fight 503 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,559 all the top guys. I guess the question really it's not that you're unwillingness 504 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,839 to fight top guys. The thing I've always wondered for the last few years, 505 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,400 since you've been really making your name is are they going to be willing 506 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,440 to fight you? How do you how do you get them? You know, 507 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,079 and you know, not knowing in particular whether it's Ugus, whether it's 508 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,680 Thurman, whether it's a younger guy like you know, say, uh, 509 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,920 Sabrill Matthias, who's the IBF Junior welterweight champion if he moves up or or 510 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,119 want to you know, uh or Spence Crawford winner. How do you lure 511 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,119 them in? How do you or corral them to make them get in the 512 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,799 ring with the boot? Tennis? Um, I don't know honest that I'm 513 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:42,519 just keep being me and keep winning and keep knocking these guys out. And 514 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,960 I feel like the fan is gonna keep answering for it, you know, 515 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,920 And that's that's the best way because I don't really talk, you know, 516 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,960 too much. I do I do on my talking in the ring. So 517 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,000 I feel like that's the best way. You just keep winning, keep starting 518 00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:00,680 stopping you guys, knocking these guys out. Um, any well, I'll 519 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,359 wrap up with this then the boots you mentioned at the beginning, that's that 520 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,319 your plans were for your fight coming up. I believe you said it was 521 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,559 going to be a legendary performance when you fight via What what explained to me? 522 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,759 What would what would a legendary performance look like to those of us who 523 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:22,240 are watching. I can't screw to be how I just legendary performances me being 524 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,640 sharp, you know, uh being on point, you know, do everything 525 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,039 I'm supposed to be doing, you know, uh being in control, you 526 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,079 know the whole fight everywhere to way inside outside, no matter where is it 527 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,000 being the ripping up, breaking down, you know, Uh, I really 528 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:43,279 want My goal is to you know, to to get a stop, to 529 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,799 get a knock go. But I want I want his team like through the 530 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,480 tiler and that's that's my goal. Let the rest stop or has his team 531 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,119 through the tiland. I want to put on one of those performances. You 532 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,880 know. Well, I'm sure that when you whatever the goes on in that 533 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,119 fight, you're gonna have a lot of fans there because it's in the Atlantic 534 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,480 City, right outside of Philadelphia, only about a half an hour away. 535 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,079 So I'm sure you'll be looking to put on a good show for them and 536 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,279 those of us watching on showtime. I'll just say this, good luck in 537 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,680 the fight. I appreciate you doing this, definitely, I appreciate it. 538 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,759 Thank you, Thank you for having you, bet Boots, take care and 539 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,799 good luck to you. So there you go, Boots and Us again headlining 540 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,920 in Atlantic City, and I've got this on the brain because I rewatched the 541 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,880 Tyson Spinks destruction, which was in the big Atlantic City Convention Center what they 542 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,559 now called Boardwalk Hall. I actually broadcast at college basketball back in Marge remember 543 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,400 Rayphael in that Boardwalk Hall. But his main event is what you like to 544 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,519 call in the room, in the room upstairs, elaborate on that. It's 545 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,240 still a good venue. It's a it's an excellent venue in Atlantic City. 546 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,240 But that's where innis will be July eight. Oh yeah, No, it's 547 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,839 a tremendous venue. I mean the Boardwalk Hall is a is a dwelling, 548 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,720 it's a building. In the main part of that building is the main arena. 549 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,559 It's sort of like a Madison Square Guard. You've got the main arena 550 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,039 where the Knicks play and the Rangers play in the big concerts playing that and 551 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,119 the big boxing matches are and then you have the small room, as they 552 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,200 call it's the theater at Madison Square Guard, which is on Florida. It's 553 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,960 on the ground level and it holds five thousand. That's where Josh Taylor just 554 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,800 fought Tifimo Lopez. And I've covered many, many, many fights in both 555 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,079 the big Room and the Small Room in Atlantic City at Boardwalk call. The 556 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:20,440 main arena is on the ground level, and then if you take the escalator 557 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,320 up or the elevator up or the steps up, you're in what's called the 558 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,800 Adrian Phillips ball Room holds probably about three thousand, maybe four thousand. I've 559 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,679 covered many fights there too, you know, just off the top of my 560 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,599 head. I mean I've seen I covered like one then Nio Lopez fights there. 561 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,880 Your York has gamboa there, Mike key Garcia. That's where I covered 562 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,559 Carl Froch against Glenn Johnson. Always upstairs in that room, that's where I've 563 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:45,840 had many fights. I didn't cover these fights, but that's you know, 564 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:51,119 Colonel Whittaker fought in that arena. For example. I did cover the first 565 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,000 fight there between Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams, who put on such a great 566 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,239 fight in that room. When they had the rematch, it filled up the 567 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,679 big room. Uh. And so it's it's a great venue in terms of 568 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,280 that. But the good thing for Boots Tennis fighting that fight there, as 569 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,920 I mentioned at the end of the interview, he lives and is from Philadelphia. 570 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,519 It's like a thirty five and then to drive down the Highway for his 571 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,000 folks to get from Philly to Atlantic City to go spend the night or a 572 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,039 weekend or whatever on the boardwalk, and I'm sure he'll have a big crowd 573 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,320 there for him against the Okay, I have to swat it at ray Field. 574 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:27,039 I've made that drive to and from and you got to be going really 575 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,480 really fast to get from Philly to Atlantic Sea in thirty five minutes. I 576 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,639 did it in about fifty fifty, you know, and I was going for 577 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,320 ray Field. You gotta be in like Sunny Crockett's Ferrari from from the Miami 578 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,320 Fights to get their thirty five minutes. I can just say this. Living 579 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,679 here in the Washington DC metropolitan area northern Virginia, people will always say, 580 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,360 well, how long does it take to get here? How long does it 581 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,840 take there? Everything's like a half hour unless you're going to the store down, 582 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,559 you know, to the to the closest shopping plaza, tell my son 583 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,000 the school, or to like the CBS. Other than that, everything's half 584 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,800 hour. So from Philly to Atlantic City, you know, anything inside an 585 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,199 hour is not even like a big deal. But yeah, it's probably longer 586 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:07,360 than thirty minutes. Point is on a weekend. They can get It's not 587 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,719 a heavy lift at all. Yeah, they can get there and have it, 588 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,320 and they have a big following. Again, I am stoked to see 589 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,119 what this guy can do, because depending on what happens with Spence and Crawford, 590 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,400 the winner more than likely doesn't hang around. So then Boots, as 591 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,800 you've been discussing, probably gets elevated out of the interim title status. So 592 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,639 let's see. Let's see what happens. The main thing. The main thing 593 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,440 is, as him and I spoke about, it has to be a better 594 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,000 style matchup than that fight he had in January against Jakazi, and when Shagazian 595 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,239 just was acute, he wanted to survive and run and didn't really make him 596 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,239 much of a fighting Boots had a hard time cutting the ring off, and 597 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,159 he knows he didn't have his best snipe that night. Via is a guy 598 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:45,360 that's gonna be there in front of him, is gonna try to punch them, 599 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,719 gonna try to fight him, and it's gonna be in my opinion, 600 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,119 maybe it'll be not a distance fight necessarily, but at least a more crowd 601 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,800 pleasing fight because the way that he boxes and the way that en his boxes. 602 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,760 That can't help, but be I'm not gonna tell you it's fighting the 603 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,159 heere, but I would be willing to guarantee you it's better than the fight 604 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,039 he had with Chakazi in in January. So from that point of view, 605 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,119 I'm happy to see. And it's not a shock they're fighting each other. 606 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,360 I mean, as I mentioned to him, they both fought on the same 607 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,400 card in January, Via got the win over as Rushhitty Ellis John and won 608 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:20,360 that interim belt against Hikazi. So it doesn't shock me that PBC match at 609 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,440 two welter weights up with each other while they're everybody's waiting for Errol Spence and 610 00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:29,400 Terrence Crawford to settle their business at the top of the division. Good stuff. 611 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,440 Let's move on to some news. A rematch in the offing. We've 612 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,920 been talking about this on the podcast, We've been running about it on Big 613 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,519 Fight Weekend dot com and you have as well on your substack. So Zuli 614 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:46,079 Jang and Joe Joyce official now Queensberry Promotions officially announcing it for September twenty third, 615 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:52,599 Obo Arena Wimbley Ian London. As Joyce exercised his one way automatic rematch 616 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:59,320 clause that I want Jang again. After Jang stopped him a hideous blow to 617 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,000 the right eye, I swelled that I shut and Joyce just simply could not 618 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:06,800 continue in that first fight. And it was a lot more than one punch. 619 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,679 It was like several ass battering of the right eye the way tko t 620 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,800 ko, and now we get a rematch, go ahead. I say. 621 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,519 The reason for that is because Joe Joyce, who was a very experienced fighter 622 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,079 as fought good fighters in the pros, was an Olympic seller middle winner, 623 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:27,000 as Jang was also in the amateurs. They both are decorated amateurs. But 624 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,519 it's like Joyce just never realized or or didn't know or forgot how to fight 625 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:36,000 a South bob. It was unbelievable. He just had absolutely no ability to 626 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,719 get away from the left hand. That is the reason why his face got 627 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,360 all busted up the way he did it, because he hit with it repeatedly. 628 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,400 I mean, you kind of figure at some point you figure out some 629 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,239 way to defend yourself against that punch. He just could never do it, 630 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,119 and the eye was so messed up that there was no option but for the 631 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,760 referee to stop that fight, he better have gone to school on fighting a 632 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,400 left hand or otherwise the same thing is going to happen again because Zang is 633 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,360 still big, he's still strong, he's still can punch. And by the 634 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,400 way, he's still left handed. I don't think he's gonna be switching to 635 00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,920 right handed for this fight. So joe Joyce better have done a crash course 636 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,920 in dealing with south ball boxers or he's going to be in big trouble because 637 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,679 if he gets this time, uh, there's not a it's not like he 638 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,960 has you know, you get the rematch clause in your back pocket, all 639 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,679 well and good. There's no rematch clause after this one, and then everybody 640 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,199 can go their own separate way. And uh, you know, Jennie will 641 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,440 move on and Joey Joyce has left out in the colt for a bit. 642 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,760 Um. But whatever you thought about the way that that his uh, his 643 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,800 inabilities were to fight against the lefty when they fought each other in the first 644 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,159 fight back in April, it was a highly entertaining fight, that's for sure. 645 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,079 I mean, and and you know, this has been such a terrible 646 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,639 year for heavyweights so far. I mean, we'll see what what materializes as 647 00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:45,159 it relates to the big guys, the big names at the end of the 648 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,880 year, with all the conversation about the fights in Saudi Arabia with Fury and 649 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,960 Usick and and Uh and Deontay Wilder, and you know there's also Twinity ruises 650 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,119 around there and Anthony josh We will see what happens, but those guys do. 651 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,840 Woa is gonna fight Usick and in August. But as of now, 652 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:04,159 U the only heavyweight action that's really meant anything is you've got the Dejang fight 653 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,239 with Joe in the first fight, and now we've got this rematch scheduled for 654 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,159 September. Obviously US will have fought in late August. You know, Joshua 655 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,840 had the one fight against Germaine Franklin, which was you know, his chance 656 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,880 to sort of shake off the losses to US. But that wasn't like you 657 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,400 know, some negative then or even that that good of a fight. So 658 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,039 you know, these are the two guys at least are active, at least 659 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,960 they're they're fighting another top guy, and and there's always some intrigue for a 660 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:32,000 rematch. I'm interested to see if Joe Joyce can make any kind of adjustment 661 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,159 against the left hand. We'll see. Okay, more news. You did 662 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,119 report earlier in the week to Chaco la Tito, one of the more exciting 663 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,760 fighters of the twenty tens, in particular, now thirty six years of age, 664 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,000 there had been some thought he might hang them up. You have learned 665 00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,239 that he's interested in still fighting and still interested in fighting Juan Francisco Astrata yet 666 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,000 again. It would be a fourth matchup. Tell us more about that as 667 00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:59,159 well, please, Well, it's not so much about one Francisco Astrata. 668 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:00,159 I mean, that's his right. Well, they fought three times, he's 669 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,920 one and two with you know, one of them he got, in my 670 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,440 opinion, he got robbed. The other one was super close. He wants 671 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360 to fight for another title. So he hasn't fought since their third fight that 672 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,760 took place at the end of last year, and for that matter, Astrada 673 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,440 has not fought either. So look, I was just like I was thinking 674 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,760 about I saw like a clip of one of his fights. I was like, 675 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,840 you know, let me check in and see what's going on with Chocolateito. 676 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,840 I have known Carlos Blando, who was a Roman's attorney and advisor for 677 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,079 many many years. Ever since Romans started fighting in the United States, I've 678 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,119 covered many of his fights, and uh have a you know, a relationship 679 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,360 with those guys, and so I sent him an email. I'll said, 680 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,719 hey, you know, how's it going. I hope you're having a good 681 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,400 summer. What's going on without Chocolatito? And he wrote back, you know, 682 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,880 he wants to come back. He he wants to take a couple more 683 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,679 and have a couple more fights before he thinks about retirement. He would like 684 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,119 to fight for another title. We're gonna fight this year. We don't have 685 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:51,960 a definite day yet, but he's very eager and excited to get back in 686 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,599 the ring. And I was like, wow, this is this is all 687 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:58,599 new to me, because if you remember post fight, after the third fight 688 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,679 with Astrada at the end of last year, there was a lot of conversation 689 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,199 that he was talking about maybe I'll retire. He did say he would like 690 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,440 a fourth fight potentially, but that the money had to be right. But 691 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,880 he seemed to be leaning towards retirement. He's got a long career, you 692 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,679 know, fifty plus fights. Truly a truly great fighter. Roman Gonzalez is 693 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,519 the kind of fighter I don't care if you want to match him up in 694 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,960 the in the early nineteen hundreds with Jimmy Wild at flyweight, or you want 695 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,039 to put him with Michael Carba Hall. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just making 696 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,920 the point that any of the top little guys from the years, decade, 697 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,079 centuries past, whatever, all the way through the modern times, I don't 698 00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:42,159 care who it is, he would compete and be one of the best out 699 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:46,159 there. That's the type of ability es a really remarkable fighter. Four division 700 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,960 champion. Uh. I know this may sound blasphemous to some. Probably the 701 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000 best fighter in the history of Nicaragua, including one of my all time favorite 702 00:42:55,039 --> 00:43:00,599 fighters, a great man, Alexis Arguyo, who incidentally discovered Roman Gonzalez. 703 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,840 He was his amateur coach. He trained him for a while in the pros. 704 00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,079 The promotional company that Argueo was involved in, called Protests of Promotions, 705 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,079 was the company that did most of those early fights that Roman Gonzalez had, 706 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,159 so they are related in that way. Roman would never you know, he's 707 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,360 a very fumble guy. He would never say that. But for guys like 708 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,800 me that watch on the outside, that have examined and watched and studied the 709 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,679 careers of both guys. I think it's a it's not I'm not saying that 710 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,039 I think that's the case, but it's not unreasonable for somebody to take that 711 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,800 viewpoint anyway. He's in the twilight of his career, nonetheless, but you 712 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,400 know he's looking for one more shot. Remember everyready gave up. I thought 713 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,440 he was done when he got knocked out in the rematch against uh Sarandi said, 714 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,519 right, he didn't just come back and you know, have a couple 715 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:50,000 of wins. He won another world title. He by all right should have 716 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,199 had to win in the second fight against Estrada. He you know, he 717 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,760 beat Califi, who was an undefeated Olympian at the time, and won a 718 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,679 world at all. You know, he's just been a total credit to the 719 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,519 sport. And uh you know, if he's up for it and he wants 720 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:05,920 to come back and he's healthy, by all means, I welcome another Roman 721 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,320 Gonzalez fight to an arena near you or in a TV or a stream being 722 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,320 service near you. So I'm thrilled that he wants to fight again, and 723 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,719 good for him. He's one of the all time greats and the only thing 724 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,760 that will hold him back from being in the Hall of Fame is having to 725 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,639 wait the three years when he retires. Crocol La Tito was a ton of 726 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,119 fun. But I will knock. I will knock one thing here and bring 727 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:28,199 this back up to you because I sent you the clip one time. Chocolate 728 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,960 Tito was never a villain on Miami Vice second reference to Don Johnson, Philip 729 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,639 Michael Thomas and Miami bys Sonny Crockett and Ricardo Tubs. Arguao, on the 730 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,239 other hand, was a villain, and Crockett and Tubs blew him away. 731 00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:45,679 And I sent you the clip of that Arguos the as the villain, so 732 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:51,840 good stuff. On Nostalgian. We'll see if still Arguyo was that big of 733 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,440 a deal though in the eighties, especially on that fight with Aaron Aaron Pryor 734 00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:58,280 the first one. I know he didn't win it, but in my Lord, 735 00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:04,079 what a battle. And Barry Tompkins still says to this day, forty 736 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,119 years after doing that fight, that is probably the biggest event and the greatest 737 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:12,079 fight, even above Hagler and Hearns in terms of all the drama, the 738 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,480 atmosphere, death threats on Arguio, all kinds of things that were going on 739 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,039 and it was an amazing fourteen round fight. Haggler, hearns an amazing three 740 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:25,519 round fight epic. But yes, Alexis Arguo chucol Tito, Nicaragua, they're 741 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:30,199 on. I mean, not to get off the fun of Tangent for me, 742 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,480 top five fights I've ever seen, Yes, and for the personal favorites, 743 00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,159 I mean, I just love. It had everything and we'll get into 744 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:43,800 the nostalgia at some point, but it had it all, including controversy about 745 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,639 whether and he was Aaron Pryor, being given stimulants and being doped up to 746 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,119 help him fight as the fight went on, and uh wow, I mean 747 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,039 there's so much from that, but that was Alexis Orguio involved. And then 748 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,599 the second fight, the rematch prior just dominated him and stopped him again in 749 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:04,199 the rematch back in the day. Let's move on and then we'll get to 750 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,079 some other nostalgia you have figured out here and have hurt. Well. Actually, 751 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,199 the IBF has ordered right Subrio Matthias will be having to fight against a 752 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,119 mandatory fighter. I'm gonna try the name Shobahan Ergaschev that I come close. 753 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:23,000 Is the mandatory for Mattias at one forty for the IBF title correct, correct, 754 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:29,360 So on Tuesday, the IBF made the order. Matthias is a tremendous 755 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,159 puncher from Puerto Rico nineteen and one with all of his victories all by knockout. 756 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,079 They gave them. You know, Ergashev is a fighter that is promoted 757 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,480 by Salida Promotions. He's from whose Bakistan. He fights out of Detroit, 758 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,800 undefeated twenty three oh with twenty knockouts. I've been looking for a bigger fight 759 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,920 for a while. He's now in that position with the IBF, and so 760 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,480 they gave him thirty days to make a deal or they'll call a purspit. 761 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:59,440 Matthias earlier this year had the fight for the Remember Josh Taylor vacated her with 762 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,000 stripped of all the belts other than the WBO after became undisputed. The beneficiary 763 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:08,280 of not being the IBF champion anymore was Mattias, who had been his mandatory 764 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:14,280 or I take that back, JEREMIAHS. Ponse was his mandatory. Once the 765 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,960 title was vacant, Ponse was ordered to fight Mattias, who was the next 766 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,159 available guy, and they had a tremendous battle, I mean, just a 767 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,280 blazing shootout. And ultimately Matias stopped him in the fifth round. And so 768 00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:29,360 this is going to be his first title defense. And what's interesting about it 769 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,320 is that he has been the linked to the possibility of a fight against the 770 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,400 former title or Segrey Lippints that was being maybe discussed a bid for a showtime 771 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,719 fight later this summer. But I corresponded with the IB have to find out 772 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,079 if he had the ability to still get it, you know, still do 773 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,920 that, or the mandatory had to be next. I was told that the 774 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,559 mandatory is next. He could go to them and ask for an exception. 775 00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:57,880 It would seemingly be unlikely he would get one if he asked for It's not 776 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,000 out of the realm of possibility, but the very least he'd have to ask 777 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,360 and have to go through the process they have to put up like it's like 778 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,199 twenty or twenty five thousand dollars nonrefundable to ask for that. So we'll see 779 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,199 if they actually try to get the exception, or they'll just go through and 780 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,559 do the fight with Ergushev, which is you know, there's no magic to 781 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:15,559 the lipping. It's fight. I mean, he's just uh, you know, 782 00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:19,639 he's a decent name, but he's he's been blitzed by Geron and as 783 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:23,119 for example, Um, but Mattias is very exciting and Ergoshev makes pretty good 784 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:25,360 fights off, so hopefully that fight will happen. They got thirty days. 785 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,679 Either side can ask for the perst bit immediately if they don't want to negotiate, 786 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,760 and uh, and we'll see. But the thing about it is, 787 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,000 TJ. We have talked many times on this podcast how deep and how exciting 788 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,880 one hundred forty account weight class is. And when you put the prospect of 789 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,159 Mattias against Ergushev, who's an exciting fighter in his own right, it just 790 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,280 yet another matchup that's interesting in the weight class that also includes Josh Taylor or 791 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,599 Tiefimo Lopez. Uh, possibly Devin Haney moving up and wait, uh you 792 00:48:52,760 --> 00:49:00,440 know and others, Um, you know, yes, Uh, so you 793 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,519 know it's a it's a it's got a lot of different interesting fights there gonna 794 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,000 be made and this is just one of them and we'll see if what it 795 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,239 happens. And another one of those names and you've learned this is unfortunately suffered 796 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,880 an injury. Montana Love will not be able to participate in a couple of 797 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,719 weeks in his scheduled fight with Richardson Hitchens. What is up with this? 798 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,039 Can I find another opponent for Hitchens in the next couple of weeks or what 799 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,039 are we hearing? Or what do we know? No, they're not going 800 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:29,079 to do that. Naturum announced that it wasn't like my in depth reporting that 801 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,840 found this out. They announced that Montana had suffered an injury. So that 802 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,519 fight was supposed to take place July fifteenth. It was the co feature of 803 00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:42,760 Alicia bamb Garner's undisputed Junior lightweight women's title defense against Christina Lendartu, which was 804 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,760 interesting because Lendartu was the only woman to ever defeat Alicia earlier in his in 805 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,719 her career, so this was not only a title defense but a home coming 806 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,519 for as well as the opportunity to get revenge. And that was the co 807 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:54,679 feature. That was a solid co feature, and there was a lot of 808 00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:00,719 conversation on Naturum side to his own and others involved in these in these fights 809 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,719 that the winner of Hitchens and Love would be one of the top candidates to 810 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,480 be the next opponent for Regis Program, who was also with match Room Boxing, 811 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:13,079 So the fight would Love and Hitchens. Who Hitchens would be the big 812 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,000 favorite in my mind. He's the undefeated guy, he's the Olympian, he's 813 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,000 more of the rising guy. In any event, they planned to reschedule the 814 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,559 fight when Hitchens is better, so Natural announced to the fights postpone. I 815 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,519 have found out for my sources that the reason for his U for Love with 816 00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:29,519 drawing from the fight was because he's suffered a read injury. So it didn't 817 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:30,840 sound like it was super serious. So that might take a few weeks, 818 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,280 leabe, a month or whatever it is to make sure that that's back in 819 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,920 order, and hopefully they'll be able to reschedule this fight in a later, 820 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,199 you know, later time frame. But that's what happened. That fight is 821 00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:44,920 off. I'm not sure what they're gonna do as far as Natchurum replacing that 822 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,559 fight on the card to give you a different co feature, or they're just 823 00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,280 gonna go, you know, roll with what they've got. I hope they 824 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,880 put something else in there, but we'll see. Okay, there's the news. 825 00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,960 Now. Some nostalgia. Interesting as we get for the weekend, there's 826 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,320 all kinds of Mike Tyson nostalgia. We had Tyson and Spink's anniversary, the 827 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,119 thirty fifth anniversary of that was earlier this week. Also earlier this week, 828 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:16,800 on Wednesday, twenty six years ago, was Bitte Night in the rematch of 829 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:22,519 Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. So Holyfield had beaten Tyson in November of nineteen 830 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,960 ninety six. This was the rematch I still remember November of ninety six ray 831 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,159 Field. I had a big pay per view party at the Reeves household. 832 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:34,960 I had gotten married a few months earlier. We had all kinds of media 833 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:39,920 people over, friends of ours over to watch that dramatic upset. Okay, 834 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,800 so fast forward to the following summer. I had taken a radio job in 835 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,599 Dallas with Prime Sports. I'm the five day a week sports radio host in 836 00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,000 Prime Sports, and I still remember that night. We had the pay per 837 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:55,360 view up at the radio network with a bunch of us up there watching it. 838 00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:59,800 And I vividly remember this because I not only did five days a week, 839 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:01,960 but they also had me come in and do two hours on Sunday. 840 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,360 They were using us to also because a lot of the time on Saturday and 841 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,000 Sunday, stations all over the country would run the network programming the syndicated program, 842 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,840 so they wanted the host to be heard on the weekend. So I 843 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,840 was a Sunday guy from like noon to two. So I'm watching by night 844 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,159 as it turns out, knowing I'm gonna be talking about it on the national 845 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:28,280 airwaves the next day at noon Eastern time. What a bizarre, bizarre ending 846 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,199 obviously to that fight for a myriad of reasons, and that was just over 847 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,559 a quarter of century ago. I can't believe it in June of nineteen ninety 848 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:40,599 seven. Give me some more on that nostalgia. Well, I don't think 849 00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,039 it's unreasonable to say that in the entire history of professional boxing, which goes 850 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:49,440 back well over one hundred of years at this point, with lots of huge 851 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,639 fights, lots of controversies, lots of crazy things that have happened, you 852 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,559 know, a guy parachuting into the ring, for example, between Evander Holyfield 853 00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,000 and Riddick bo. I mean, we can go on down the line. 854 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,280 Lots of wack shit has happened in boxing. That's the single most infamous moment 855 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,079 in the history of the support in my mind, it's not even close that 856 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:10,000 in what at the time and when when Tyson and Holyfield met the second time. 857 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,760 At that moment, it was the biggest fight in the history of boxing 858 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,440 in terms of the money and the and the and the viewers and all. 859 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,960 Did the pay per view record, it's at the gate record, it's at 860 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,719 the revenue record. It was as hyped and as huge as any fight you 861 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,559 could possibly imagine. The first fight was a hugely hype fight and then Holyfield 862 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,320 pulled off the upset. When they did the rematch, you know, they 863 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,079 were printing money. It was a massive, massive event. So when you 864 00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,519 got the entire world watching and the single most fame, one of the single 865 00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:44,280 most famous athletes on the planet, Mike Tyson bites off a chunk of Avander 866 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,280 Holyfield's gear in the ring in the third round, and well did it in 867 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,239 the in the second round, Y Knowles linking the referee, the light referee 868 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,480 almost stopped the fight. Was really talked out of it, you know by 869 00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,559 the executive director of the Data Commission at the time, the great Mark Rattner. 870 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,360 U, you know, are you sure you want to do that? 871 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,960 That was his way of saying, you know, don't do that, and 872 00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,440 no's thought about it for a second and let the fight go. When he 873 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,400 did it, again in the in the next round, uh, and there 874 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,800 was a chunk missing from a anders hear he'd had no choice but the but 875 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,360 the call, you know, he took a two point deduction if for the 876 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,760 first one set a call in the fight after the second one he had had 877 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,119 a disqualified Mike Tyson. But that was as shocking, not just in boxing. 878 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,840 Again, I don't think I'm overstating things. Do you tell me if 879 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,280 you can think of something else? Is it the most shocking moment in the 880 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,960 history of sports? It's certainly one of the craziest, most bizarre ones. 881 00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,159 I mean, we had a full on power outage in a Super Bowl, 882 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,519 remember in New Orleans for the Baltimore Ravens San Francisco forty nine ers. Right 883 00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:45,480 now what you've been anybody, But it was still crazy because everything was in 884 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,079 the dark and they had to start stop the Super Bowl, the biggest event 885 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,119 in American sports. So there there have been weird things. But in terms 886 00:54:52,519 --> 00:55:00,840 of boxing one on one mano Amano, So let's pick up watching that also 887 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,840 true. But let's pick up on a couple of points. The first one 888 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,639 is holy Field really took it to Mike Tyson in the second half of the 889 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,639 first fight and the first round of this rematch was almost like holy Field picked 890 00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,559 up where he left off in November of nineteen ninety six, and so many 891 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:22,159 people believe I am in this camp. That's where Mike Tyson the ultimate what 892 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,679 happens when you bully a bully, When you bully a bully, he's gonna 893 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,159 panic. He doesn't know what to do, doesn't know how to handle it. 894 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:30,440 And this was just a continuation of what happened in November when he got 895 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:37,079 stopped once he was being bullied in that first round. I think Tyson freaked 896 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,360 out and I think he realized and he was also upset because they kept clashing 897 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,599 heads. Part of that, and I'm just defending Evander Holyfield. Part of 898 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,440 that is Mike Tyson would frequently throughout his career leap in at guys exposed with 899 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:53,880 his head, and holy Field continually in the first fight and even at the 900 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,960 beginning of the second fight, would duck with Tyson leaping at him with his 901 00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:04,440 head. So Tyson they they are they are clinching holy Field. He had 902 00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:07,000 won the first round, and I think Tyson flipped out. I think tipped 903 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,360 out, decided to bite him. He shouldn't ever have did him, but 904 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,880 he certainly was right that there was They weren't accidental headbuts in my opinion, 905 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,400 and Evander Holyfield there is no chore boy in the ring. He fought on 906 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,159 the edge of the rules constantly. And you know what's the old saying, 907 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,760 it ain't cheating if you're not get well. But I mean, Holy holy 908 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:30,360 Field wasn't doing the pro wrestling Hulk Hogan or Harley Race or whomever Headbut he 909 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,960 was lowering his head while Tyson jumped in at him. He was lowering his 910 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,360 head to get out of the way of a punch. And I covered a 911 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,440 Vander long enough to know that he's he found a way to make things uh 912 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,719 against the green of the rules at times and get away with it because he 913 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,639 did it just not not so I mean, not brazenly. But he was 914 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:57,119 a wily old event. No doubt in my mind that he was doing that 915 00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,199 to some degree purposefully. And he had a hard hit. But the point 916 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,599 is, even if that's the case, you don't bite the man's ear acceptable. 917 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,639 And Tyson did that and he got disqualified, and he got suspended, 918 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,320 and he got fined a record amount, and he was vilified, and the 919 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,079 fact that he was able to come back from that not only have a career 920 00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,000 after that in terms of boxing, even though he was never quite the same 921 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:22,800 although he he uh you know, he did have some pretty big fights. 922 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,639 He fought for titles again, etc. H. And then became like everybody's 923 00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,679 favorite, you know, in movies, The Hangover, you know, doing 924 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,480 his podcasts, getting his tattoos, taking a picture with my mom and dad 925 00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:38,159 at the Boxer Writer's dinner when I got into words, I mean, I 926 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,519 think my mom, who doesn't like boxing and doesn't still can't understand how I 927 00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:47,119 chose this to do as my profession. Uh, seeing her and my father 928 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,840 standing there together, you know Mike Tyson went her arms around my parents is 929 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,159 like one of the wildest scenes ever. So but on that night, he 930 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,679 was the most vilified person in the world. And uh, you know, 931 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,719 if I mean anybody who never saw it, I mean, I know, 932 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,199 we gotta lot crazy. Listen find that on YouTube. That's we talked a 933 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,760 lot about it a year ago. At this time, I'm just jogging your 934 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:14,239 memory. And that audio, the Showtime replay of it, and that audio 935 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,440 of Mills Lane trying to figure out what to do fantastic referee of do I 936 00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:22,559 disqualify him right now? And the first thing he thought was I'm gonna disqualify 937 00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,440 and then he said, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna deduct two points. 938 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,800 So then they have the bell that ends a second round. Everybody's trying to 939 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,800 regroup. Do you think the fight's maybe gonna settle in? And Tyson does 940 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,599 it again to the other ear, not the same hear, but the other 941 00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:40,400 ear, and that's when the DQ happens. And the hilarious part, absolutely 942 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,599 comical part, is they're going over and telling Tyson's hinchman, yes man, 943 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,440 cornerman, the fight is over. He's DQ. They're starting to celebrate. 944 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:52,119 They think that the fight is stopped. No, no, the fight is 945 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,519 a DQ. Your guy bid him again. You're done. And then there's 946 00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:58,360 a rumble in the ring. Raphael, you can't even make this up. 947 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,679 Where Tyson's trying to get at Holy Field and they have a wall of security 948 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,119 diagonally separating the fighters. You couldn't make up the craziness and the drop. 949 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,440 I think the upshot of it is this. I mean a lot of people 950 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,760 thought that, you know, Tyson was the big favorite to win the rematch 951 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,639 as well as he wasn't the first fight. Once the rematch was over and 952 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,000 he got suspended and all that stuff happening. He had been undressed by holy 953 00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,960 Field twice now, once by legit knockout in a great performance from a vander 954 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,679 in the first fight. Once the opinion of most people was that Tyson got 955 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,760 himself disqualified, you know, because he didn't want to fight, he was 956 00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,760 scared, or he was you know, I knew he couldn't win whatever, 957 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,800 and they purposely got himself run out of that fight, that rematch. Even 958 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:44,639 though Mike fought like seven more times after holy Field too. That was basically 959 00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:49,480 the end of his career as a guy that everybody thought could be like then 960 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,599 still be the big time heavyweight champion. He did fight several more times. 961 00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:55,360 He you know, he had you know, the time off after the suspension 962 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,559 and he came back. I'm looking at his record. He had the both 963 00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:01,119 a fight he fought Orland Norris. Then he went on like the to Europe 964 01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:06,559 and he had the two knockover wins over Julius Francis and Lou Savarese, which 965 01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:08,239 that anniversary was just a couple of days ago. That was where he talked 966 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,199 about how he wanted to eat Lennox Lewis's non existing children at the time and 967 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,360 rip his heart out on all that. Then the first fight I ever covered 968 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,280 of Mike, which was the glott Of fight where he stopped him in two 969 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,119 but got um, you know, became a no decision because he failed the 970 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,320 drug test, you know, to Copenhagen to fight Brian Nielsen and we knocked 971 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,119 out. Then he got the title shot, so finally the end of the 972 01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,519 era, he got both destroyed by a Lennox had had had a couple more 973 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:37,360 fights after that, with the last victory against Aten, two losses to Williams 974 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,679 and McBride. But the point years after that rematch against Vander everybody, I 975 01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,239 think knew he was never going to be the serious heavyweight champion again, and 976 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,719 he was just playing out the string and in fighting for money at that point. 977 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,039 So the in my mind, the true end of Tyson's career as a 978 01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:58,360 serious fighter of any kind was really the Holy Field rematch that was twenty six 979 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,159 years ago this week. And we also keep going back to the Nostalgian I 980 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,119 did this since she and I talked and I came off vacation. I went 981 01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:08,079 back and watched the Frank Bruno fight, which was the first fight after the 982 01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:13,800 Tyson Spinks destruction of ninety one seconds, and that's when all the turmoil was 983 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,880 going on in his life. In early nineteen eighty nine, the Robin Givens 984 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,599 made him divorce where they were barely married eight months and she's trying to take 985 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,840 his money. Don King is trying to drive a wedge, which he did 986 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,440 between Tyson and Bill Kayton and also Kevin Rooney. They interview on the HBO 987 01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:32,599 broadcast. They interviewed Kevin Rooney, Who's going, I got a cat tracked. 988 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,480 I'm doing my runey in person. I got a contract. I don't 989 01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:37,440 understand I got a contract because he did. He had a three year contract 990 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,360 for That's a horrible impression, but I just I'm just saying that that was 991 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,119 him. So they interviewed him on the live broadcast. And the Bruno fight 992 01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,800 was actually a decent fight because Bruno, after he went down early in the 993 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,000 first round and it looked like it was going to be over with quickly, 994 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,039 Bruno actually rocked Tyson with a left late in the first round, and it 995 01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,280 was a decent fight. So I went back in the Nostalgian. I watched 996 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,280 some of that this week. By the way, brother Raypheel Mike Tyson is 997 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,880 fifty seven years old on Friday as we released this podcast. June thirtieth is 998 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,440 his birthday, nineteen sixty six, So Iron Mike is fifty seven years old. 999 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,880 There's a little nostalgia on Tyson Holyfield. Go back and watch all of 1000 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,079 the all of the stuff there from that one. And there's one more piece 1001 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:21,480 of nostalgia. And you were ringside for this June twenty eighth, two thousand 1002 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,039 and eight, and involves the pac Man, Manny Packey. I'll give me 1003 01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:27,000 a little more before we're done. Yeah, Well this was this was the 1004 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,679 This was an important fight for man. He fought David Diaz for for one 1005 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:34,639 of the lightweight titles, for the WBC lightweight title. Nanny had come, 1006 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,519 you know, he had been a flyweight champion. He had come to the 1007 01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:39,480 United States and made a splash when he won the junior featherweight belt on an 1008 01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:45,719 Oscar Delaway undercard against Ledwaba by a devastating performance. Moved up and wait, 1009 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,280 you know, shocked a lot of people when he beat Marco Antonio Barrera for 1010 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,960 the lineal championship at featherweight, had had a battle with je Manuel Marquez, 1011 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,760 became now a three division champion because he had won a title, now had 1012 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,639 one hundred and thirty pounds, and at that point you're like, wow, 1013 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,679 this guy is something special. But there were so many questions when he decided 1014 01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:07,039 he wanted to move up and wait, you know, it's not common at 1015 01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:12,880 all in boxing for a fighter who particularly not that he would won a championship, 1016 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,800 but started his professional prayer literally his first fight he was one hundred and 1017 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,679 six pounds and now he's won a title at one hundred and thirty pounds, 1018 01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:22,480 been pretty dominating, and now when he was going to decide to go to 1019 01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:25,639 thirty to five, now you're going into like the next batch away classes up, 1020 01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:29,559 it seems like to most people. And even though David Diaz is never 1021 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,079 going to be a mistaken for a Hall of Famer or a pound for pound 1022 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:35,880 guy, he was an Olympian, he was a pretty solid guy. He 1023 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,239 had defeated Eric Morales. It was like a lot of people were thinking, 1024 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,840 I mean, I mean, I know it's at the time and now you 1025 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,039 look back, you're like laughing, like well, how could that have been 1026 01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:47,719 a big deal? But you know, look what Pakio ended up doing in 1027 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,840 his career. But at that time, there was a lot of people that 1028 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,800 thought this was a bridge too far from Minnipakyo, that there's no way that 1029 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,360 he's going to be able to do that, you know, you know, 1030 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,880 win a title in that way classes against the guy wrong. Wrong is right 1031 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,559 because not only did Manny Pack yet win the fight, but he went in 1032 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,000 there and I mean, I don't know if there was I mean many had 1033 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,440 a lot of big wins that was really you know, the fight with Marquez, 1034 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,239 the split decision when he had in O eight, that was at one 1035 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:24,320 thirty. The next phase of his career became when he fought DZ because then 1036 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,320 he went I mean, he was already in the midst of this great run 1037 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,960 because he had beat Marquez and Barrera and uh and Ladwaba and all that. 1038 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,599 But the next batch of wins, that's now we moved up to the different 1039 01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:36,599 level. Guys. When he's beating up David in the lower you know, 1040 01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:40,239 one hundred and thirty five pound division, then he goes and he fights Oscar 1041 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:45,800 hadn't Koto Cloudy Margharito, Shane Moseley Marquez again before he got the rip off 1042 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,159 decision against Bradley. We beat even though we didn't get the call. Point 1043 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,599 is the DS fight was what really, in most people's mind started that run 1044 01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:59,119 because it was him moving up yet again. In Wait, he absolutely destroyed 1045 01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,719 David DZ and then flattened him with a face first knockout. And I'll never 1046 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,360 forget the interview he did with Lampley, Jim Lampley on the HBO pay per 1047 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,280 view broadcast after the fight. I don't remember why Larry Murchison wasn't doing the 1048 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,920 interview or somebody else, but but he did the interview with Jim Lampley and 1049 01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,719 he basically was like, you know, it wasn't that Manny was such a 1050 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,400 hard puncher. He just couldn't see the punches coming because he hit, you 1051 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,840 know, he was so fast. And he made the joke. I mean, 1052 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,199 this is the kind of David was a real cool guy and a real 1053 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,280 down Earth's kind of funny guy. He was all caught up. He's bleeding 1054 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:31,719 and he's talking, he's making jokes. He's like, you know, he 1055 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,639 was so fast. I thought, Freddie meaning Freddie I thought he was fucking 1056 01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:38,639 hitting me too on the interview, and Lampley started laughing in the middle the 1057 01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:44,840 interview. That was Mannie pack yow as we started to realize he's he's now 1058 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,360 approaching that prime like the destructive force, and the DS fight was only the 1059 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:54,480 beginning, because the next fight was when he retired Oscar Deloy and even a 1060 01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:58,519 completely savage performance, and then you were seeing, obviously at that point, 1061 01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:01,079 the makings of a Hall of Fame fighter, and it only validated after that 1062 01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:03,599 with Dale la Joya win and the other fights that you saw after that. 1063 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,639 Obviously he looked at he was drawing that fight. There wasn't so much in 1064 01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,559 that fight that this happened, but it was the combination of that fight moving 1065 01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:16,719 up and then the few fights after where people were making historical comparisons between Manny 1066 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,239 Paco, who was destroying everybody and good guys, not just bums, literally 1067 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:27,119 the cream of the crop. They were comparing him to the great legend Henry 1068 01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:31,679 Armstrong, who at one time in the late nineteen thirties simultaneously held the lightweight, 1069 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,440 featherweight, and welterweight titles at the time when there was only eight way 1070 01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:41,559 classes and even though many even do them all at the same time, he 1071 01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:44,840 was doing what Armstrong was doing because he had fought at lightweight. He fought 1072 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,440 Oscar at welterweight. He then went down back to one forty and beat Hatton, 1073 01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:49,920 and he went up to walter weight and he beat Miguel Koto, and 1074 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,280 then he went a couple of fights later and he was now even though he 1075 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,159 didn't weigh one fifty four, he fought in the you know, for the 1076 01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,920 Jummer middleweight title against Margarito. All within the space and of like two years. 1077 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,719 It was I mean that to me, I mean of all of my 1078 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:10,039 years of covering boxing to cover the trajectory of a fighter from that David ds 1079 01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:15,119 fight through the next several years, but the two years in particular I think 1080 01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:19,480 was one of the most amazing stretches I've ever seen in my time of writing 1081 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:25,079 about boxing. Manny pack Out in his absolute prime, destroying pight. Now, 1082 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:26,840 I know people want to slam and they say, well, Manny, 1083 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,559 they they make the the comments, they say, well, he must have 1084 01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,280 been using performance enhancing drugs. You know who knows. That's never been proven 1085 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,159 and he's never failed the test. Not that that means anything, But we 1086 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,760 don't know for sure, but I know what I saw, and I saw 1087 01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:45,920 a guy just destroying a lot of great fighters. Yeah, and it and 1088 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,760 it was part of that. And I just I have fun with the nostalgia 1089 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:55,239 and you do too. So I was indisposed that night on June twenty eighth 1090 01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,800 of two thousand and eight, because I was in Saint Joe's Him's hospital with 1091 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,559 Missus Reeves because she had just had identical twins, Riley and Abby Reeves. 1092 01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:10,519 Birthday was that night Rayfield ring side at Mandalaid Bay, Reeves ring side in 1093 01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:15,519 the hospital room with the twins side bedside, ring side, And I'm not 1094 01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:17,800 sure if I fared any better than David Diaz that night, try to take 1095 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:24,800 on two twins who were screaming, crying, one in their bottle, and 1096 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,920 Van Evander did get his ear bitten off. And by the way, we 1097 01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,159 keep we keep bringing this up whenever we bring up the nostalgis somebody did recover 1098 01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:31,840 the piece of ear and put it in ice because they thought maybe it could 1099 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,359 be reattached. It was not with plastic surgery that actually did happen. Somebody 1100 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,720 did scoop it up. Rumor I do not own that piece of ear in 1101 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,520 my boxing and the right Field collection does not have the ear whatever half of 1102 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,640 the ear, you do not have it. But June twenty eighth, very 1103 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:53,840 special day, that Tyson Holyfield by night, that Pachil fight. Reeves twins 1104 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,800 born as well on that very night June twenty eighth, two thousand and eight. 1105 01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,279 How about that put them in the ring to fight each other. Well, 1106 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,359 yeah, sometimes I have to referee almost like it's that. But my 1107 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,239 and large they behave they do well, all right. This has been a 1108 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:11,760 full show, plenty of preview of the Jared Anderson main event for Top Ranky 1109 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,720 ESPN the Heavyweight Battle Saturday night. Again earlier in the day Franshawn Cruise, 1110 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:21,600 Dessern and Savannah Marshall boxers Sky Sports shows Saturday afternoon US time. ESPN Plus 1111 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,800 has it in the US, sky Sports in the in the UK has it, 1112 01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:30,000 but the women's super middleweight undisputed crowns. We will handicap those shows. 1113 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:33,600 Dan Raphael handicap those fights, those main event fights on our bet US show 1114 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,640 one Eastern time on Friday. As we released this podcast, great stuff with 1115 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,319 Boots in US. He's in the rain coming July eight. Other than that, 1116 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,840 that's a full preview for this weekend. I believe my friend, we're 1117 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,920 all good. Anything else, I think that's what we're supposed to do when 1118 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,399 we do our previews. Yeah we did. We did give him a bunch 1119 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,800 again. Rate us and review us on Apple Podcasts, Google podcast, Spotify. 1120 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,319 We'll talk to you on the bet Us Show Priday at one Eastern time. 1121 01:09:57,359 --> 01:09:59,960 Will come off the weekend with a recap The Fight, Preach Unit recap, 1122 01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,760 whatever happens this weekend from aman Dan Raphael. I'm merely TJ Reeves. 1123 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,720 Thank you for being with us. 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