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Howdy ladies in Germs. It is
Tuesday, August eleventh, twenty fifteen.

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You are listening to the Giant Bomb
cast. Jeff Kursman's ear, it's crisp.

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You got a crisp voice coming through
that microphone. I'm like, man,

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he is splitting through. Yeah,
the noise cut through the internet.

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Yep, Jason a striker, Yo, how's it going man? Mr Crispy

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in my ear? WHOA hang on? Now? Hey, I don't think

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I know you that well yet.
I don't know, but I like it.

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Let's talk later. Okay, we
meet up tonight, Dan Chort,

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I'll call you a cookie Crisp.
It's a good cereal, is it.

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Yeah, it's cookies that you get. It's incredible, acceptable cookies for breakfast,

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barely on ice cream, no joke. That sounds great. Yes,

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there's a yogurt place that has like
Captain Crunch and stuff like that and Sos

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crunch to put on your stuff,
and that's actually pretty All rights are great.

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Yeah. I've been getting this Briar's
like Reese's peanut butter ice cream and

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putting cocoa buffs in it. Yep, that'll do. That's my little tree.

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We got a fascinating and link the
email back to the origin of Captain

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Crunch this week and really sad that
I didn't throw it into the LISTA.

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It's originally used to scrub the decks
on ye ships. I really done your

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homework here. Yeah, no,
it's I I'm I was in the Navy.

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Captain Crunch has a much more cynical
and kind of sinister like in a

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motive because it just yeah, yes, Captain has goddamn sog monsters. It's

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just more your sog monster propaganda.
If I were to tell you the Captain

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Crunch came about in a very manufactured
and calculated way. It's a consumer product,

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like you know, like absolutely of
course. But this was even this

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is even back in the sixties.
Yeah, Captain Crunch was scientifically formulated to

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be the crunchiest cereal on the planet. Damn it wasn't calculated and formulated when

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there was a problem at the factory
which resulted in the accidental production of oops

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all berries. Yeah, the greatest
time of Captain Crunch Choco Donuts, which

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like, what the fuck is that? And I've never even heard of that?

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Yeah, I know, it's just
it's like a little donut shaped chocolate

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donut things. Is that? Is
that like an accepted piece of Captain crunch

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apocrypha the oops all berries. That's
how they explained it on the box.

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It was called oops all berries.
It's like somebody at the factories like,

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oops, this whole batch is all
berries. The cartoon they were winkings whoops

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yep, And it was the best
cereal. And they made crunch berries obviously,

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Yeah, it was just Captain Crunch
with crunch berries. And then they

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decided what if it was all crunch
berries And the result is actually total bullshit,

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Like it's no, no, no, Like crunch berries are like okay

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in moderation, not a whole site. This is how you eat a bullet.

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When I go for Captain Crunch,
I'm there to eat fucking Captain crunch

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in the Captain No. No,
here's how you're accent but by themselves.

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This is how you eat a bowl
of crunch. Peanut butter crunch. Yes,

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yes, yes, that is incredible. Peanut butter crunch is the secret

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best Captain Crunch. This is how
I've eaten every bowl of crunch berries my

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entire life. You poured in and
then you spend the whole boring first,

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like three quarters of the meal,
eating the stupid little barrels or whatever they

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are, and then at the very
end the berries. What. I don't

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know if I could get past the
part where you just refer to Captain Crunch

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as a meal whatever. It's part
of the perfectly nuala next to it,

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the most important meal of the day. Yeah, it's a bowl sized confection,

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but please go ahead, okay.
And then once you're your bowl,

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all right, you sludge through the
boring little barrel things. And then when

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you're done with that boring healthy stuff
out of the way, you just have

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the big sugary berry things and the
healthy default Captain Crunch healthy food. As

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a kid, I always assumed it
was like, oh, this is probably

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like corn cereal that my mom,
This is probably the healthy part, but

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cocket, I want to get to
the berries. That's where the sugar and

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the taste is. Turns out,
it turns out even corn not that good

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for you. Yeah, it's a
vegetable kind of not into not so much

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the starch really, Yeah, it
grows out of the ground stocks to potatoes.

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Also, you should take a look
at what corn used to be.

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What ten thousand years ago, maze
what people call our clock, it was

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not really edible nor yellow corn has
evolved. Take a look at it sometime.

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Yeah, wait, did you have
to do you say something about potatoes

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not being healthy because I know it
like when they're fried like French. But

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it's still a vegetable. And our
vegetables kind of across the board good for

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carb. Yeah they're not. Carves
are important too, you're right in moderation.

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Yeah, like good carbs, complex
carbs. There's nothing. There's nothing.

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There's nothing healthy or like good for
you about the regular ass captain crunch

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pieces. I'm sure. But as
an idiot kid, I told myself,

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like, I'm gonna get through this
health food so I can get to my

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candy. Yeah. Who's nut kicks
in my goddamn cereal? Yeah? Yeah,

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it kicks like the healthy stuff.
All right. That was one where

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all the moms liked later sugar corn
flakes. Mom tasting kids proved, Yeah,

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so yeah that's it mother tests.
Yeah, mom test Lately am I

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as I've gotten older and my tastes
have gotten more cultured? World world,

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Yeah, yes, I don't go
over the sugary ones so much. I

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try to keep sugar down in general. So I'm big on anything with a

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shipload of like maple pecan honey cluster
type things, like a honey bunches of

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oats type stuff. Trader Joe's has
this maple pecan clusters stuff is just fucking

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awesome like that that stuff is healthier
than like tricks, right, one would

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assume I would think so, right, But it's the Trader Joe's that's a

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healthy place, right. I mean
you can get all kinds of fucked up

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shit of Trader Joe's, like like
Trader Joe's in the sense that it's all

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relative. Yes, maple clusters are
probably better. Okay, got tricks,

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but they still got sugar in tricks
is better. They still make tricks.

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Yeah, Do you prefer the tricks
that was just all the balls that were

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the different colors or the ones where
it's like, oh, the banana one's

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gonna be shaped like banana and the
raspberries gonna be suck the fruit shaped ones

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like they concentrated it was harder,
like they were compressing it into these fruit

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forms that changed the texture of everything, like the ruined tricks because the raspberries

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were like six little tiny balls instead
of just one big guy density change there.

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That just wasn't right. I thought
they were going to be like,

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you know, Captain crunchberries, and
they totally were not. Nah, they

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the old skull tricks, some sinister
ship. Yeah. I could never really

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go in for the fruit cereals except
for fruity pepples. I don't like fruit

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loops and I couldn't deal with fruity
pebbles also because it was just it was

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too grainy. It just became a
slop. You have to eat it.

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It was like a fruit real quick. It's just maybe I was just always

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getting the ratios wrong. But it
was just like I would fill up the

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bowl and then it pour as much
milk in as it can hold, and

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it was just like forty five seconds. It was just this multi colored fucking

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mess. Specifically you have to be
careful with You have to do a little

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splash and then you get they dance
around and they swim around a little bit.

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But you don't want to completely submerge
the fruit into things, right,

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Yeah, I put it in a
spray bottle and I just spray a dust

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thing. I just never I never
really encountered the fruity or the cocoa pebbles

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that much. Like I'd never really
liked the chocolate cereals, cocoa buffs and

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that sort of stuff, Like it
was just never great cookie crisp I thought

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was cool. But those were shitty
cookies. I agree. I mean compared

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to other cookies and cereals, it's
the best. What other cereals had cookies

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on them? I mean yeah,
but like I would rather there. There

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are a zillion other cereals I would
rather eat than shitty cookies. I'll give

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you that too. I'll take a
bowl of sent him a toast crunch.

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Them were French toast crunch. Yeah, yeah, that was weird. It

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was kind of good. Yeah,
remember waffle was it waffle crisp? Yes,

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swaffle crisp was was were good?
I like that? A big honeycomb

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fan. Yeah. What about smacks? Yeah yeah, yes, sugar great

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honey smacks. At some point they
became yeah yeah, oh no, that

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like the burnt cart I loved it. It was great. Yeah, yeah,

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super good. Dan. I've got
a mission for you. What's that

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puffed rice man? Yeah, let's
talk about it. What if you just

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went out and got a box of
cookie ass cookies? Uh huh, crumbled

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those up in a bowl. Uh, poured him some milk. You know,

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I don't think I've ever dipped a
cookie in milk. People who told

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me that that's like a good combination
kind it supposed to be warm chocolate chip,

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And that's what I was seeing the
movies and stuff like that. Yeah,

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you could. I could see that
being good, and so I could

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also see the crumble up the cookies. I'm not much to a cookie guy

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though, except for cookie crisp.
I don't I like cookie chris more than

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real cookies. Yeah, cookies like
they're gonna integrate and milk. You don't

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want to do that. You want
to find a hardass cookie that's like,

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you know, chemically engineered to withstand
the properties of milk so it'll like seep

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into it and make it tastier.
I want to clarify. Yeah, chocolate

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chip cookies, I'm not big on. You get me a good snicker doodle

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or I just got a big bucket
of ginger snaps. Snicker doodles specifically is

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my favorite thing. Ohmeal raising way
better than chocolate chips. Are you unanimous?

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I know? O mere raising over
chocolate chip. Well, I'm not

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gonna get that far I'm gonna get
it depends on the chocolate chip cookie.

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I think they're subway yep, specifically
pretty good. I was at a over

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the weekend. I was at a
an ice cream sandwich store. They they

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that's specifically what they had cookies and
they had ice cream, and they were

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like, tell us, what two
cookies you want and what type of ice

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cream. We're gonna make one artisanal
arcosonal, locally sourced, sustainable ice cream.

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But they had two vegan flavors.
They had multiple vegan cookies as well,

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and so I I shied away from
that because he was gonna make a

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mess. I got a brownie Sunday, which then I was disappointed by because

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when you think brownie Sunday, you're
gonna think someone's gonna take a brownie and

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put ice cream over the top of
it or something. Right, Yes,

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it took a fucking bowl, put
some fucking ice cream in it, put

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the toppings I wanted on it,
and at the end just kind of shoved

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a brownie in the side of the
middle. It here you fucking go.

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You went the brownie drenched in ice
cream. One way or another. That

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that I had to that that did
not happen. And then I got a

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bite of an ice cream sandwich as
well, and it was some of the

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driest ass most horrific cookies I think
I've tasted a good long time. They

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were sticker dal was. They were
real bad. Wait, so vegan,

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the vegan part is for the cookies
or the ice cream both talking about put

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turkey and cookies, damn, but
no they put butter, dan oh,

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I forgot. Vegan is the one
where anything that comes from an animal,

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right, It's like, you know, like ice cream as milk and cookies

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have eggs. Yeah, I mean, I got regular ice cream in my

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stuff. But my lady friend she's
she doesn't eat that stuff. So I

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tried a little bit of that,
and yeah it was you know, I

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mean, vegan vegan cookies can be
a little dicey anyway, but they don't

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something too well dicey or like you
know, taste winse or I mean,

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like you never know what you're gonna
endup, but taste wise it can be

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fine. But like in this in
this case, you know, and it's

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hard, you know, if you're
not gonna put real butter and some stuff

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like it would just end up with
like you dry, just consist. So

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what that was? Can you do
margarine? And uh prob. I just

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found that there's a billion things that
you can substitute for butter that tastes is

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fine, Like you believe it's not
butter like that. Yeah, that's the

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black seeds. It was like a
flax seed thing. It was a nature's

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nature's button nature that there's some harvest, nature's harvest. Yeah maybe maybe,

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but there's it's a fake butter.
That's totally fine. The only thing I

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ever used butter for is for when
I make macaroni cheese craft and you know,

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I've used it with real butter,
marjarine, flax seed, whatever.

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I can't believe, Like I would
not if you lined them all up and

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like a police lineup of mac and
cheese, I would not be able to

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tell the difference between any of the
crime committed being way too delicious. Okay,

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yeah, yeah, it's crap for
talking about it or Stofer's frozen mac

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and cheese, But yeah, I
think that's the problem. That's the problem

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with vegan butter. Then yeah,
there's a billion different things that would probably

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be just as delicious. Yeah,
yeah, I think you can Like I've

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definitely had vegan like baked goods.
They're totally okay and moist the way you

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want them to be and all that
sort of stuff. These particular ones were

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ass so yeah, yeah, damn
butter damn should taste so good. I'll

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be a crime. I didn't eat
visible butter until I was like twenty seven.

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I would only eat it in macaroni
and cheese. I wouldn't put it

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on bread or anything visible. Yeah, like I knew some part of my

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brain knew that, like it was
in macaroni and cheese and and all these

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foods that I liked, but something
about like if I saw a roll with

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butter on it, I wouldn't go
anywhere near it. And then eventually,

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once I got to like my mid
to late twenties, I realized, like,

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well, if I love this taste, Like when I made macaren and

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cheese, I went like twice as
much butter as you're supposed to put in

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there buttery flavor. But for some
reason, like the physicality of biting into

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a chunk of butter, you were
not cool with. Yeah, but I

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would do like the butter pop like
at AMC theaters and stuff, you'd do

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the butter. The butter is totally
different. Yeah, right, but anything

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that's well voting the kids consistency of
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thing to butter that like you go
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you like I was in another recently, Yeah butter. Yeah that's soft butter.

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You get like the thing. It's
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on a pancakes. Yeah. Stuff. Once it melts in, it's fine.

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the last thing I want to do
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bite a thing that has this on
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butter on rolls and bread and stuff, is fantasy. One of life's greatest

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pliers. I have learned butter into
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great, good for pop worn.
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early on because my little sisters used
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my sisters would just come up when
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dip their hands in their tach like
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is gross. Okay, you're you're
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on things. Don't put butter in
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yeah, I'm only going to do
this ignorance is bliss thing where it's

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like I'll eat butter if I can't
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well, I love everything with this
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on. Some butter's pretty great.
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substitute butter, I think is just
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a little better than than regular butter, depending on what you're putting it on.

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That's all good, Dan. Yes, keeping with the theme of your

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slow and steady development as an adult
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talk to you about Star Trek.
It is a real good show. You

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have embarked, I want a continuing
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a Star Trek this week, really
like I really like this. Wow,

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next generation? Nice. Okay,
so I'm following Max Timpkin's guide. He

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did a thing where because I was
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I tweeted that out Brad immediately he
was like, oh no, you can't

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do that, Like I started doing
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Wait, it's a dark fucking road, it is. But there are

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a lot of episodes of that,
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seeing the full development of it and
all that. Yeah, I don't know.

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I'm starting. We're in the process
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one from the beginning right now,
and I almost feel like there's some value

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in suffering through it. Well,
I mean, do you consider like those

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first couple of Farpoint episodes or that
longer episode far Point it is terrible?

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I see, I love that.
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I remember thing like this is cool, Like maybe the pilot's really good,

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and then it gets back you love
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stuff you're talking about, Like it
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like when is it Tasha? Yeah, and when she gets frozen and stuff,

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it's like the effects are terrible.
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that it's like she's terrible. Yeah, she's all right, But I mean

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but it's even like the musical cues
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the hammy delivery. Like it's amazing
how much the first few episodes just feel

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like old sixties Star Trek. But
yeah, like I watched the Skin of

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Evil episode and that's one whre the
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like as just being a total dickhead
to everyone. Yeah, and uh like

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just seeing the effects on that whatever
they put that dude in that like goopy

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Poncho or whatever. It reminded me
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Shatton or fighting the Stupid Lizard,
you know, like totally shitty all attacks.

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it's super duper different than like even
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one, for example. I'm just
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I watch, at least the ones
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or whatever. It's like, hey, that dicky guy did a dicky thing.

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Let's go down there in a helicopter
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his fucking face. This one was
like a cool TV show. Yeah I've

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seen. Yeah, they're plenty good
TV shows, Like twenty four is a

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great show for that. But this
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crazy goopy man like killed one of
our crew. Let's go down and talk

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to it about its feelings and try
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what the fuck doesn't how TV works? That's that's that's accurate a lot

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of the time. Diplomacy. Yeah, but also you know what, huh,

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Jehan luccard punches people with his words. He's good at that. Like,

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he's a great character. He seems
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on so I don't and when his
words don't work, Riker is there to

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actually flash. Okay, that is
what I wanted to say. It is

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like, I like everyone, all
the characters that have seen so far.

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Piccard seems awesome, but I think
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I just watched a Matter of Honor
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Clingon ship and they do some weird
like officer exchange program and they put Riker

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on the Clingon ship, which,
by the way, Clingon seemed real cool,

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just like super hardcore like tough fighting
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he goes on the Clingon ship,
it reminds me of what it must be

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like when like a new guy gets
into a wrestling locker room. Lots of

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like, hey, Joe's your man, Like hey, you are, You're

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gonna be You're gonna be whimped by
this, like all this like alpha male,

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so that if they get stabbed in
one heart, oh, they can

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keep going. That's cool. But
I like it because they like keep testing

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Riker to see if he's a man
or whatever, and You're like instantly kicks

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one of their asses, and then
it starts like questioning him if he could

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like handle being with a Clingon woman, and he like asked for a threesome

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with cling On whom like he's just
taking everything they're throwing at him and be

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like fuck it, yeah, bring
it on, Like I'll eat this weird

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fucking gack thing or this living squid
he's grossing fistfuls of their blood worms,

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or yea, he's just being a
complete badass and then outsmartsmall at the end,

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Like that was a fucking awesome episode. That's the only Season two one

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I've seen so far. The next
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which I hear is supposed to be
a great one. I mean that that

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I don't remember if it won an
Emmy, but like it's thought of as

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one of the kind of the fines, which one is that it's never it's

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with the episode titles. It's the
is data as an android? Is he

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a sentient life? For sure?
He does. He does. He deserve

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the rights and he's afforded every other
living thing. You know. So it's

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like Ted two. Yeah, basically, yes, exactly that I haven't seen

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that. I haven't seen Ted one. You're fine just watching more Star Ture

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I instead, I'm going through,
like, honestly, as much as I'm

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liking it in these seasons that are
supposed to be bad are So here's the

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one on the ones I watch,
you would be in two, I guess

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if you're Yeah, I'm just following
Max's guide. So I've watched the two

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part or one part far point whatever, if there's this one long episode or

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two whatever. I watched Skin of
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where they find all the frozen earthlings, like the like Wall Street due it's

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like, oh, all my stocks
must be worth a ton of money now,

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but then everyone's been like super dead
for four hundred years. Uh you

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know what I'm talking about with the
homemaker and the crazy country guy is trying

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to get data to like put together
a kegger. Like this show is weird

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and awesome, Like I really like
how if every episode keeps up this thing

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of being like a totally different weird
thing, I think it settles into a

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bit of a groove and and like
it maybe it loses a little bit of

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that. Okay, they're they're actually
we've been rewatching it here and there,

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and there are actually a lot of
episodes where like like the show takes on

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a lot of different forms, like
like it tackles different genres, like like

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there's one episode that's effectively just die
Hard, but then okay, there are

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other up like the episode you're about
to watch is effectively a courtroom drama.

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Like there are horror. There are
horror episodes like they like it really runs

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the gamut of of like different styles. I could say to handling it really

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well, like it seems to be
written very smartly. Like I need to

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know though, because this is one
thing I can already tell I want At

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some point, do I get to
just see Warf kick someone's ass real bad?

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Warf seems super cool. Warf will
definitely fuck shut up on occasion.

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Yeah, Okay, he just seems
like he says he's keeping his ship together

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and everything because he needs to be
on this like classy ship and everything.

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But you know, he's a cling
on and he just wants to fuck shit

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up. Like Warf is still a
cling on. Okay cool. At the

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end of the day, I like
him. He will never get his own

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spin off show. Is still out
the painting for to this day. Michael

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dorn Is, Yeah, yes,
he's been running a campaign on social media

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for a while. God every years, though, I see that creep up

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one goes back and he's like,
it's gonna happen. Wait, I thought

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that was happening golf. I would
watch that. I would watch that,

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totally watch that all right, But
yeah, I'm super early on, but

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like just knowing that apparently the best
is ahead of me, I could see

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myself finishing all this and going back
and wanting to watch all of them because

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this guy is supposed to be like
watch the best Star Trek episodes in forty

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hours and he kind of explains why
and everything, and like once you get

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to like season four and five,
like it's like, hey, watch these

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twelve episodes bo season one. It's
like, here's three, here's two or

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three from season two, but then
it picks up. I would actually just

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start at the beginning of three and
just go from there. I've watched almost

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all of three over the last couple
of months, and it's, oh,

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you think, just watch all of
them. Two or three. The best

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episodes of the entire series are in
season three, and also the end of

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season three is thought of as the
best two part in the whole ark.

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So how many seasons are we talking
about? Seven? There are seven seasons

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episodes per is it like it's twenty
two, twenty three something, twenty six

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something. Yeah, Yeah, it's
a lot. These are forty five minute

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episodes a lot, but it's a
it's a great show. But yeah,

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like I need a show, you
know, because I do like forty five

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minutes on the Elymptical every day to
the gym, and like I need something

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that I can watch every day and
like knowing that this is going to keep

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me going for probably if I watch
all of them. How many episodes are

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there, one hundred and I don't
know a lot, it could last me

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like the better part of a year. Yeah you know, like that's awesome.

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's fantastic. I really like, yeah,

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it's I really really love it.
I did not know what to expect going

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in five years ago. I probably
would have said like, yeah, it

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sounds like something for nerds or you
know, like now I like, yes,

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absolutely, but so yea yeah yeah, but that's that's fine. Star

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Trek has things to say and teach
to all people. Yeah, yeah,

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I don't know. It always seems
like people were either like you always heard

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the like Star Trek for Star Wars
babe, but like now that I've seen

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some Star Trek at least, it
just seems like such a fucking different conversation,

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Like they're not the same comparable thing
at all. Like no Star Trek

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is good and and something that like
resembles some kind of future science as opposed

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to fucking magic swordmen. Yeah,
it's also really cool. I mean the

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ship they have such incredibly different origins, you know what I mean, and

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formats and Star Wars is campy serial, you know, high flying action and

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Star Trek started out as as as
like thinly camouflaged morality plays on network TV

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in the six Times. Yeah,
it was like it's like branded kind of

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heavy handed social commentary, but it
was absolutely there. Yeah. I love

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both. I read and will happily
reread the Star Trek Technical Manual. Yeah.

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God, I've been meaning to eBay
a copy of that thing for so

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long. Yeah, what is that? The tech like for the Enterprise really

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like fucking just science, fucking tech
docs about how the sh it works.

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Like here, here's an exploded diagram
of how a phaser is put together.

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Yeah. I like when I used
to sit on the floor of the aisle

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in the Walden Books and just read
that thing every time. It was so

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good. I like when they explained
the tech on the ship too, because

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it's like the unfrozen, like Wall
Street banker. Dude, it's just like

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using the comm system and stuff just
to be a dick, and then the

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card comes down it's like, hey, why are you using our comm system?

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It's like, well, why would
you let me use it? Like

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I didn't even have a commander key. It's like, yeah, no,

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we're all just civilized adults that know
how not to be dicks. Like yeah,

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I mean, the ideals of Star
Trek are genuinely like super inspiring,

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especially like in a contemporary context with
all the ship going on these days,

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Like it's you know, though,
some of those ideals. I think like

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it's one of those things where it's
like, you know, to get to

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that utopia, a lot of fucking
current shit has to be destroyed. And

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I think that there are maybe some
people out there in the tech world that

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are trying to get to Star Trek
a little too quickly and destroying fucking jobs

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00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:02.480
and lives along regulate. Sociologically,
we were headed in the exact opposite direction,

405
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:04.279
right, it's like, no,
fuck that ship robots everywhere, like

406
00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.200
sharing economy, like we're just gonna
do because we want to do. I

407
00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.880
mean that's no, you're no,
it's not the thing. The thing about

408
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.200
Star Trek when people say like it's
it's absurdly utopian, and its vision or

409
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:15.880
whatever. You know, like that
whole society is based on a like a

410
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.720
post scarcity sort of lifestyle. Food
is not a food, and energy and

411
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.200
all that stuff are are literally unlimited, you know, like nobody wants for

412
00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:27.559
anything basic anymore. So it's like, well, what are you gonna do?

413
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.720
Yeah, like how are you going
to spend your days? That's what

414
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:32.880
the banker guy said at the card. It's like, Oh, what's the

415
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:33.839
challenge? What do I work for? You know? The money is not

416
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.960
a thing. It's like, oh, it's to inrest yourself, to to

417
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.799
improve yourself, like to accomplish things. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's

418
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.079
it's real good. It's a fantastic
thing. Yeah, it exists. Enterprise

419
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.720
Voyager, Deep Went, It went
sideways, like DS nine is extremely well

420
00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.599
thought of, Okay, for kind
of different reasons. I couldn't get in

421
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:53.880
get into it at all. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, you know,

422
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.000
the purpose of Star Trek is that, I guess, exploration, but

423
00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.640
they're on the space station for the
most Parker. I mean, I think

424
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.119
that's a very different story. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't watch all

425
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.039
of it, and it got into
a lot more kind of political tension and

426
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:11.000
stuff like that, although the the
one of the primary drivers behind DS nine

427
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.240
and also Next Generation went on to
be the guy who ran Battlestar Galactica.

428
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:15.839
Oh okay, yeah, so if
you guys watched that, stuff like DS

429
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.680
nine, I think is sort of
like proto BSG in terms of the types

430
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:22.680
of stuff and like the the style
of storytelling they were going after. I

431
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.160
watched the hell out of that.
I saw all the Voyager as well.

432
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.359
Yeah that was that was pretty rough. But yeah, really wanted to like

433
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.720
Voyage. I think he was Voyager. Yes, okay, yeah, that

434
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.119
would have been seven of nine that
would have been around at the same time.

435
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:38.799
Okay, yeah, ninety nine.
I think maybe we should move on.

436
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.480
Thoughts on Enterprise. I people say
it's kind of not as bad as

437
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.519
it should have been, but yes, that's true. That's all I know.

438
00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.279
I couldn't. I watched the first
couple of those, yeah, and

439
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:55.400
I had and had to stop.
I couldn't. That's I went deeper into

440
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.920
Voyager than I did Enterprise before going
like all right, I'm not gonna watch

441
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.279
any more of this, and PRIs
is back heelow right, yes, okay,

442
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.319
Like they got really deep into the
kind of an awful genre fiction tendency

443
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:07.839
to just like reference itself all the
time, you know, like they had

444
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.880
to even though it's set before everything
else that's ever happened, They had to

445
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.359
bring the Borg into it and the
Romulans and like everything. It's like,

446
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.119
hey, you remember these guys right
right? Yeah, It's like, no,

447
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:18.279
I don't need that. I just
need you to like tell a good

448
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.359
story. Were there supposed to be
two enterprises between, like, because there's

449
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.160
the part where DeForest Kelly makes the
cameo as McCoy and he's super duper old

450
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.400
in the first episode of TNG,
And then you see a thing where it

451
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.000
looks like two enterprises going past each
other. Is that supposed to be like

452
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.640
the sixties Enterprise passing them? Well, so that ship is a class of

453
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.240
ship. Yeah, it's like,
okay, Faxie class or whatever. So

454
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.839
there are theoretically other other ships in
the fleet that would look the same,

455
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.319
but not named not named Enterprise,
right, Okay, But it looked like

456
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.640
that's just what dropped him off,
Like I think that why we just watched

457
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:53.440
that episode like a week ago,
week and a half. I think that

458
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.240
was actually a different ship entirely.
Okay, I also didn't realize that the

459
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.759
saucer park because I always assumed when
you see them on the bridge that they

460
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.799
were tip of the circle thing.
But that whole circle thing is just like

461
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:06.319
a fun space hotel. And then
the rest is like what is it called

462
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.519
the StarBridge fart or something? Okay, the fucking battle Bridge man, And

463
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.839
they separate that fucking saucer section.
Yeah, and they do it so many

464
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.240
times. It's like a period of
time with that series where they were just

465
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.680
like, check out our effects.
But bucket man, we are separating the

466
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.680
safcer section again. We're gonna go
to the battle bridge because we built this

467
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:23.319
other set. How cool is that. That's how they tested Riker in the

468
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.160
first one. It's like, oh, you gotta do it manually, like

469
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:27.519
we could do it automatically, but
you're supposed to be good, So sit

470
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.200
down and do this. And he
nails it. Ryker's awesome. He's the

471
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.480
best. Yeah. I like that
guy, and his name kind of sounds

472
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.160
like mine. M M okay,
I didn't notice, Yeah, and just

473
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.079
put it te there. Oh I
see you got a little extras. Yeah,

474
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:42.359
so I'm better than Ryker is what
I'm saying. Okay, yeah,

475
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.400
yeah, still number two. I
wouldn't I wouldn't be able to do that

476
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.039
docking thing without I'm going to a
plane poker. Hold him, I'm okay,

477
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:52.480
you need to be better than Okay
about Is he good at poker?

478
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.799
Yes? Is it like some crazy
space poker it? No, it's just

479
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.839
it's just poker. He plays trombone, trombone. He's a big jazz guy.

480
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.599
Okay, I'm not better than right, he's a lot better than me.

481
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:08.359
Yeah, I'm glad you're having fun
with it. Oh, I'll check

482
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.240
back in with you here in a
couple couple of months or something. Liking

483
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.799
it way more than I could have
ever expected you. It's good stuff.

484
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.960
I'm surprised. That's cool. How
about video games? You like those?

485
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:22.119
Oh? Yeah, I's been playing
some quite a bunch. Yeah. What's

486
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.920
on the docket? I played a
ton of Diablo three quite yeah. Yeah.

487
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.039
What's on Reaper of Souls Ultimate Evil
Edition? On PS four? You're

488
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.359
playing co op with my girlfriend on
the couch, which is a that is

489
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.160
a great couch co op game.
She actually, yeah, she heard me

490
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.839
on last week's podcasts say that,
like there's an email about like what game?

491
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.240
Haven't you finished that? You keep
starting, and like I started two

492
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.359
Diablo three characters and she was like, hey, why don't we start characters

493
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.880
and just go through the whole game. Yes? Please? That sounds split

494
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.200
screen or is it? No,
it doesn't. It doesn't do the lego

495
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.559
thing at all. It's always and
it works really well. And every time

496
00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:56.279
I've played it, I've been so
impressed at how they took a game that

497
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.759
was, you know, the series
was essentially just a piece C series forever

498
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.759
and mapped it to a you know, dual shocker Xbox one. So well,

499
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.400
like that interface is great, it's
great. It's real quick to get

500
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.119
into your stuff, get out some
stuff in the interface dealing with items and

501
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.559
stuff like that that you know,
like I find myself spend all time reading

502
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:15.960
the numbers and go like wait,
wait, yes, one better than it,

503
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.519
Like I think some of that stuff, even though they made it clearer

504
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.240
than they did when Dabo three first
launched, like it's not the navigation is

505
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.119
a little clunky in spots, but
yeah, it could be a lot,

506
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.400
it could be a lot worse.
Yeah, absolutely, it's actually one of

507
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.759
my I'm almost close to saying it's
my preferred way of playing it. I

508
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.559
think a lot of people. I
think I think I might be there.

509
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.000
I think I might be there on
PC. How do you do like the

510
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:47.680
evade because he totally new Wow,
okay, so shit, I didn't realize

511
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.640
it was exclusive. Yeah. Yeah, and rolling through barrels, it's so

512
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.680
it's so much fun. Yes,
it's the best thing on tables and statues

513
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.319
and yeah, yeah, that game
is just fantastic. Uh, Like you

514
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.000
know, I never played one or
two really, and so I my experience

515
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.839
with loot driven games was always like
Borderlands, you know, which is a

516
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.799
totally different thing. So like seeing
kind of the originator of this like super

517
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.480
loot based thing. I love because
you feel so much of a sense of

518
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.119
ownership over your character because you have
so much customization on Like you know all

519
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.680
the gear you wear, the gems
you put into things, and then you

520
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.000
know the items are not items,
the upgrades you have. You know your

521
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.960
passi abilities, your actiabilities, and
when you turn on that elective mode and

522
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.880
you can just put on anything onto
any button totally like if it feels like

523
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.960
it's your character, Like it's one
of the only games where like I like

524
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.240
to hit pause and zoom in on
my character and just be like, oh

525
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.759
man, I look pretty cool with
all this gear on and stuff. Yeah,

526
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.920
I got like these you know,
two crazy knives that bleed all the

527
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.440
time. Like I don't know it
visually gameplaywise, like it dangles that carrot

528
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.160
perfectly, I think, with actually
substantial upgrades and they've added, you know,

529
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.839
just in the process of like since
launched, like the things they've done

530
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:51.880
to that game to get it where
it needed to be increasing drop increasing drop

531
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.519
rade, like adding like a healthy
amount of like repeatable content that actually feels

532
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.359
fun to repeat. God, God, Like how far we've come with the

533
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:02.119
Opla three since I I really enjoyed
I did two out. I did too.

534
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:03.960
I'm not you know, I played
through the first two difficulties when it

535
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.839
came out. It's like sixty plus
hours and like I've I was never the

536
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.799
guy who was going to go through
all four tiers. You know, it

537
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.599
was Inferno the last one or whatever, the one that Torment. So that's

538
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.759
all new. That is like they
have changed so much. They have a

539
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.640
patch coming that will add like what
five more six torments. There's six total

540
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.440
ones, like as I think now
it goes up to well, Torment is

541
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.759
leveled also so you go up like
Torment ten or something like that. Oh,

542
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.759
okay, the highest I like mine, the five six and the highest

543
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.279
right now. But I think they're
increasing that to I think that's right,

544
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.640
okay, thing in the next patch. Yeah, T six is what it

545
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.799
was this weekend. So what's what's
the new leveling system they put in on

546
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.839
top of the regular character level?
Is it? It's when you hit max

547
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.640
level you start getting those account level
Paragon Yes, yes, it isn't.

548
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.920
Did I did I see that that's
effectively unlimited? Yes? I think I

549
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.400
thought I saw a headline a few
weeks ago going around of a guy that

550
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.759
hit like Paragon level two thousand or
something that's saying like that, yeah,

551
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.160
you can just kind of just keep. It's crazy to me that people can

552
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.559
just go and go and go in
that game. Was that paraground system not

553
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.720
in place when the Ultimate Evil Edition
Launchel four? I think that's where it

554
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.240
first, yes, okay, okay? Or shortly after maybe, yeah,

555
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:12.559
because I know where I got patched
into the PC right around that time,

556
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.599
right, yeah, well yeah,
because before the four you might be right

557
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.559
now, yeah, I think so
shortly, Okay, I guess maybe I

558
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.519
just haven't had a character. Like
I've beaten Act one a couple of times

559
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:23.680
as far as i've gotten, so
maybe I haven't even dinked around with that.

560
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:29.039
They've added an insane amount of stuff
like more mechanically you show up until

561
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.119
you hit the level cap. Oh
okay, then I wouldn't have seen it,

562
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.799
not really content wise, but more
just like the framework around the game,

563
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.640
you know, like the different waste
level and what is it like the

564
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.319
adventure mode that let's you just kind
of like randomly poured into different aroundies and

565
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.359
do stuff where there's the rifts that
you can open and go in there and

566
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.519
all that stuff. It gets super
fun. Yeah, I love the adventure

567
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.440
mode. Yeah, it's so good
on PS four two. Like there is

568
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.240
a lot of stuff happening on screen
at any given time, Like there's parts

569
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.240
where there will be forty fifty enemies, tons of just particle effects and all

570
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.279
these you know, powers going off, and there's it seems like it's running

571
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.559
at sixty the whole time, and
it looks great like it. It's a

572
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.680
really impressive version of that game.
Yeah, I've never played on PC,

573
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.880
but yeah, the PC version,
you know, obviously you get the resolution

574
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.640
enhancement. You know, it does
look sharper and stuff like that, but

575
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.759
I still think I prefer playing it
with a controller. Yeah, it's actually

576
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.440
so they're doing it again there with
Marvel Heroes. They at one point change

577
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.039
the name from Marvel Heroes to Marvel
Heroes twenty fifteen. They're doing it again,

578
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.400
this fallactic thing. So I think
they're just at this point, at

579
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.039
this point, the game is good. So the first time they did it,

580
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:30.920
it was like, oh, well, the game launched poorly, got

581
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:31.920
a bunch of bad reviews, and
now they're trying to wipe that away.

582
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.000
But now that they're doing it again, when the game actually is in a

583
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.440
kind of a position of strength,
it's like, alright, alright, but

584
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:44.720
they're adding controller support this fall Okay, So that's kind of cool and I

585
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:46.720
think potentially paves the way if they
ever wanted to bring that to consoles.

586
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.799
I think that I think would be
a smart movie. Seems like a no

587
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.519
brainer. Yeah, I feel like
that game has a fairly active player base,

588
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:59.039
right, I think so. Yeah, But yeah, it's the same

589
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.559
type deal, you know. But
yeah, I'm kind of interested to see

590
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.279
how that feels with the controller.
Having played so much Diablo. Yeah,

591
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.799
I kind of wish the PC version
had patched in controller support. They were

592
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.519
very much like, nope, never, I'm not gonna do it. Nope,

593
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:16.319
separate game. Uh but but yeah, that is what it is.

594
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.039
But but yeah, like I had
to pull this up because I thought I

595
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.079
had seen this, and sure enough, last week the life to date sales

596
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.599
figures for Diablo three came out.
Thirty million copies. Totally shit, thirty

597
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.799
million. That's across PC consoles,
everything, I guess. So I'm sure

598
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.640
that's everything mostly PC, right,
probably, Yeah, but that's like,

599
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.519
dude, I mean that's that is
like like the heyday of the Wei Territory

600
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.400
with like Mario Kart and stuff like
That's it's a lot of games that's about

601
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:47.799
isms three probably ends. And then
they did the ultimate thing, you know,

602
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.759
the updated and I'm sure it's way
fewer than thirty million people. I'm

603
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.279
sure quite a few people double and
triple dipped on a lot of that stuff.

604
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.720
But still, like that's just man, that thing just goes and goes.

605
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.920
It's definitely one of those time where
I'm glad that, you know,

606
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.519
I usually play everything right when it
comes out, and you know, not

607
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.079
at the time, I definitely didn't
have a PC that could run stuff.

608
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.400
I'm glad I waited. Granted it
was two three years or whatever until the

609
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.000
PS four one came out, But
there's just so much content now, Like

610
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.400
the Act five is a deal c
thing rights like that right, right and

611
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.119
like that. Yeah, okay,
so that wasn't in that initial release on

612
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.920
three sixty and p s three because
rehearsals didn't exist yet. So yeah,

613
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.599
by waiting for PS four, I
think I have like the full experience.

614
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.519
I didn't have to deal with any
of that like launched, Like, wasn't

615
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.400
there a big fuffle over the auction
house and everything? The auction house was

616
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.840
weird and yeah that was real rough
at first. Yeah they were they were

617
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.119
the right to get rid of it. It was weird because you know,

618
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.159
you could you could just buy items
for real money. Yeah, like that

619
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.159
was the whole thing. So if
I started out and I was a level

620
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.280
one character and I just want to
throw down two hundred bucks, I could

621
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.440
get some blame because oh so I
wouldn't be able to equip it. Okay,

622
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.280
yeah, but yeah, like I
had I had a friend who sold

623
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.639
an item a weapon drop for like
two hundred dollars the week the game came

624
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.280
out. You know, but people
were throwing down all kinds of crazy money

625
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.559
just to get the best ship rather
than actually playing the game, and their

626
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.679
drop rates were adjusted, you know, accordingly because they didn't want to flood

627
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.079
the market. You know, it
just it added a lot of concerns about

628
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.119
the just the economy of the game
that made it less fun than fun.

629
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.719
Yeah, yes, that game has
changed. So I got a lot of

630
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.679
gems that way. I needed a
lot of red gems. Putting those gems

631
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.239
together. It was kind of fun. They've added like so many more levels

632
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.159
of gems. Now, how you
look crazy? How do you combine gems?

633
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.480
The duel crafter or whatever that he'll
he'll the guy from Big Trouble and

634
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.239
Little China, right naturally, Okay, Yeah, it's honestly one of the

635
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.559
best, like couch co op experience. Yeah, it's so so absolutely Yeah,

636
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.480
like they the camera doesn't you know, Yeah, because it's not bad

637
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.360
at that weird split screen thing.
Yeah, I mean, you know,

638
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.559
if you're on the right difficulty even
it's not a girlfriend game. I don't

639
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.760
want to say that, but just
like my significant significant another is not very

640
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.800
good at video games at least I
love you, but man, she kicks

641
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.440
ascid Diablo. So, like,
you know, just because you know the

642
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.599
game is, I don't know.
It's easy to play, it's easy to

643
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:05.039
jump into. Like we can both
have a lot of fun with The early

644
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.760
levels are way too easily. We
cranked it up as far as you can

645
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.079
go before you beat the game once. Uh, because they had normal and

646
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.480
hard are just it seems like you
almost don't even lose health. I now

647
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.639
we're just like they had of Fact
one right now, but we haven't really

648
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.880
been in danger hard. Yeah,
I think experts as high as you can

649
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.920
go before. Yeah, that's where
it was about, right from from when

650
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.360
I played it. Yeah, I'm
gonna do it. I'm gonna deploy the

651
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.320
card Maneuver. Okay, I'm gonna
jump ahead to a news story. Whoa,

652
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.920
whoa, all right, because moments
before were a news story. Yes

653
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.800
there are in fact yes started eight. See Dan, you're not gonna know

654
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.679
what thecard Maneuver is until you go
back and watch season one. I'll probably

655
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.039
do that, okay. Uh yeah, Like right before we came up here,

656
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:51.599
this headline started circulating that Blizzard has
posted a job listing, oh,

657
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.360
which normally I would just be like, come on, you know, like

658
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.519
in a lot of cases, it
feels like you're just reading as much as

659
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.320
you can to a very standard set
of job requirements to try to generate headline

660
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.639
or whatever. But in this case, it's a it's a it's a highly

661
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.400
experienced position. It's a it's a
they're looking for ten years experience, at

662
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.280
least five years as a lead artist
or art director. But it also ends

663
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.000
with a passion for games and a
deep understanding of the Diopplo franchise, So

664
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.400
that seems fairly clear cut. I
saw another screenshot. I don't know if

665
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.239
this was just a joke on Twitter, but it was like, you know,

666
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.960
spot the mistaken this job listing,
and it said, you know,

667
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.679
Blizzard, unnamed project whatever, lead
and then underneath it it's said the word

668
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.760
Diablo. Yeah. Yeah, So
I wonder if there might be something similar

669
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.280
to this. But yeah, I
mean it's not to say that Diablo four

670
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.440
is immediately in production or something,
but it could be another expansion. That's

671
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.239
That's the main reason I want to
bring this up, because like over the

672
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.039
history of the franchise, they had
always only done one expansion per Diablo game,

673
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.079
which seemed insane. It seemed like
they were probably leaving tens of millions

674
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:58.760
of dollars on the table because there's
such an appetite for more Diablo. But

675
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.360
also, you know, if that
appetite exists, like maybe it just means

676
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.039
that they would be inspired to begin
full production on an actual sequel. Maybe,

677
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.519
you know, like that's that's a
certainly a valid approach. I guess

678
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.800
it's been long enough, but I
mean, under the dark yoke of Activision,

679
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.320
sure, but I don't know.
I mean, it was god,

680
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:22.239
what was it fourteen years? Yeah, thirteen, fourteen years between two and

681
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.440
three something like that. Yeah,
look between like the StarCraft one and two,

682
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.280
Like it's like they will take their
time. Yeah, but I don't

683
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.440
I don't think that's a good thing. And you know, I guess not.

684
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.760
You know, I don't think that's
something where you're like, oh,

685
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:36.199
that's honorable. Hopefully they'll way another
fifteen years to make another Diablow. But

686
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.000
there was so much pent up demand
for those games by the time they would

687
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.000
finally roll around, like when they
announced StarCraft two, like when it finally

688
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.400
showed up on the screen, like
you wanted to jump out of your fucking

689
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:45.519
chair. Yeah, because it was
like when they so long. It was

690
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.280
like when they showed Halo Wars two
for the first time. Yeah, exactly

691
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.280
like that. Yeah, I mean, who who's to say what this is?

692
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:58.519
You know they could be we need
to make more Diablo characters for Heroes

693
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.440
of the Storm. Exactly. They
have a witch Doctor and Heroes of the

694
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:08.079
Storm because I don't know what I
think they have Diablo Okay, let there.

695
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.159
Oh no, he totally is because
you can buy a skin for him

696
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.880
that makes him look like Godzilla.
That was That's that was my one takeaway

697
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.480
from my time here is the Storm. I don't think I've actually seen what

698
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.440
Diablo is. It just supposed to
be Satan. Yeah, okay, Eric's

699
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.039
kind of the devil. Have you
have you not beat the game? No,

700
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.440
I've only gotten as far as the
beginning of Act two. Ever.

701
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.880
Oh wow, yeah, yeah,
so we're gonna be to this time.

702
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.800
But never seen. I assume he's
the big Satan looking dude on all the

703
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:39.239
artwork and all that. Probably spoil
it for myself, but really incredible intuition

704
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:45.639
you've got there. What else you've
been playing? Try to beat the swindle,

705
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.679
and I I hit a point that
I almost never hit with any game,

706
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.559
where you know how I talked a
little last time about how you get

707
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:53.800
to this final swindle and you have
to Yeah, I did it a little

708
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.639
bit on UPF last week. I
gave up completely because it turns out even

709
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.480
if you do everything right in that
final swindle, like the big thing,

710
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.480
we have to infiltrate Scotland Yard.
I went through the whole thing, didn't

711
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.599
set off any alarms. I took
down every security station, got into the

712
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.800
thing. You have to steal the
end, stole it and then no matter

713
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.559
what, it just like alerts the
cops and all these fucking helicopters burst through

714
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.800
the house you're in and start shooting
at you. You still have to try

715
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.920
and make it. Yeah, so
you don't get rewarded for perfect stealth at

716
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.400
all. And so they shot me
dead and I was like, fuck it,

717
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.039
I'm done. Like I enjoyed the
game up to that point, but

718
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.400
that was like an unforgivable thing.
And like I searched and pretty much everyone

719
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.920
had the same thing where it's like, oh man, it's such a bummer

720
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.920
that this cool idea in the school
game ends and such a bummer. A

721
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.400
way outside of that, I played
like an hour, hour and a half

722
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:43.280
today of Everybody's Gone to the Rapture. Oh yeah, it's a game from

723
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.840
the Chinese room. Yes, they
did the machine for pigs and dear esther

724
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:52.400
right esther or esther esther. Okay, Yeah, I have a lot of

725
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.039
patients for kind of like narrative driven
games that you know, like I heard

726
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.000
a lot about like, oh,
it's kind of like just a walk around

727
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.199
and look at stuff narration in game, and like I'm fine with that,

728
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.800
Like I love Gone Home, you
know, I like Journey. You know,

729
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.840
I don't need to constantly be like
doing gaming stuff all the time.

730
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:13.639
With that said, the movement speed, not just the narrative is fine.

731
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:20.760
The movement speed is tremendously slow,
to the point where it's it really simulator.

732
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.199
It's like a tiptoeing simulator basically.
Yeah. And it's not like all

733
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.320
in man, it's not like Gone
Home where it's like a little quick one

734
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.159
movement speed or you know, gone
Home. You're in a house. You

735
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.440
know, like I could forgive this
movement speed if it wasn't Gone Home.

736
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.880
This one. You're like exploring this
whole village and this forest and everything,

737
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.920
and it doesn't even speed up.
Like there's parts where you are in houses

738
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.239
or you're in a neighborhood and I
would understand it. Maybe it's a little

739
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.119
slower then, but then when you
get to a forest path that kind of

740
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.639
picks up. Or if you could
like hold l one and do a light

741
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.960
jog or something, but there's nothing. It is always just super super slow.

742
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.360
I mean, I like the design
of like a lot of like this

743
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.079
village and these houses and everything,
like it seems cool. I'm curious to

744
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.840
see where the where the narrative goes, but yeah, it's it has been

745
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.280
hard to get into so far.
What's the what is just the mechanism of

746
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.400
their storytelling because like and and dear
Eswer is like you're literally just walking through

747
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.519
environments and like triggering audio cues.
Well you get that in this I you'll

748
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.719
find cassette tapes and phones and voicemails. Well that's already more tangible than because

749
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.719
like, like my memory of your
esser is they literally would just start like

750
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.519
you would like walk up for an
invisible trigger and you would just start playing

751
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.840
a way file or whatever like this. No, you'll walk by like a

752
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.199
radio and you'll hear like a female
voice, okay, a series of numbers,

753
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.639
and if you go up and hit
X, you'll hear like a science

754
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.639
explanation that what about the numbers?
It's just the lost thing. Basically,

755
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.840
this already sounds a lot more grounded
in the environment though well than the setting.

756
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.960
The main way outside of just those
audio tapes that it pushes it forward

757
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.000
is like there's this glowy ball that
you follow around and it'll get to a

758
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.159
place and it'll kind of stop and
you have to rotate the controllers. It's

759
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.760
almost it feels like a lock picking
mini gamehe you have to find the right

760
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.599
angle or whatever, and then when
you do that, it'll like you'll kind

761
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:06.039
of see shadows. I guess the
best way to describe it. It's like

762
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.159
light. It's basically like light and
kind of humanoid form talking to each other.

763
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:14.760
So like it'll be like two humanoid
light things talking to each other,

764
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:17.079
and so you're just kind of getting
pieces of the story. It's like kind

765
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.280
of learning to you. And they
say, Desmond, we're going to tell

766
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.000
you about it. Shit, what
was I gonna say? It's a oh

767
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.639
yes, I was gonna say turn
on subtitles because it's it's a lot easier

768
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.519
to discern which characters are talking,
because you'll see, like Jeremy says this

769
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.719
at the bottom of the subtitles,
were otherwise there are all these identical just

770
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.840
light blobs talking to each other,
and you might not connect that, Oh,

771
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.199
this light blob from the beginning of
the game is the same one talking

772
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.519
here and here, whereas if you
see Jeremy and then the dialogue's like,

773
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.400
oh, this is the Jeremy light
blob, and it's a lot of just

774
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.760
you know, everyone loves Jeremy.
Yeah, Jeremy's a great guy. Yeah,

775
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.519
So yeah, turn on subtitles if
you want to play it. But

776
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.360
it has not grabbed me to her
yet. So PS four exclusive, Yeah,

777
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.280
it's part of their play twenty fifteen
thing, along with the Galaxy and

778
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.199
and plus plus. I don't believe
there's a PC. Those all exclusive at

779
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.400
least for now, I think,
I mean, well, maybe it could

780
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.440
be he's definitely going to PC.
Yeah, it could be time, but

781
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.480
yeah, I don't actually know the
specifics of that. Yeah, yeah,

782
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.880
but yeah, not not not getting
me too much yet. Yeah, there's

783
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.039
something about movement speed and games even
games like that, Like you know,

784
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.239
there's if I move the stick all
the way and it's something that I don't

785
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.199
necessarily have the problem on PC because
it's it's a little less connected. But

786
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.880
like when an analogs, if you
push it all the way, the last

787
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.159
thing you want to feel like it
is like it's just like he's running through

788
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.960
molasses, like something just holding the
character back. Yeah, like you want

789
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:44.159
to smooth ramp up to some kind
of acceptable movement speed. I don't think

790
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.880
I've played a game where this has
felt more oppressive than this game. That's

791
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.599
why he got left behind it a
little exactly. Need you need to find

792
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.480
the jet boots? Yes, yes, that's my next step. I'm sure

793
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.239
that's I'm sure that's tricky if you're
a designer and you have strong feelings about,

794
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.800
you know, the pace at which
your game should be experienced. But

795
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.039
if you're playing this game, I
assume you're the type of person that wants

796
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.119
to take in that story and take
your time looking at stuff like No,

797
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:08.760
I can't imagine anyone's gonna buy this
game and try to sprint to the end,

798
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.159
because like that's not the point of
this game, Like it's a story

799
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.039
driven game, why would you like, would you say that you move slower

800
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.880
than the story? Uh? No, I if I could move faster and

801
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.840
still take all the story in so
yeah, yeah that's the thing. Yeah,

802
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:30.039
yep, all right, what's good
to know. It's it all rests

803
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.559
on the story if that winds up
being satisfactory, and then it might be

804
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:38.639
good. But were the individuals like, uh, it's tough because you know,

805
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.239
like if you play like Vanishing of
Ethan Carter on PC, which is

806
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:49.079
kind of similar at going through woods
and stuff, Okay, yeah, yeah,

807
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.159
I don't know, Like I've played
that and that kind of ruined me.

808
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.199
On like that that looks so fucking
gorgeous, Like I said, I

809
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.079
like the design of of the neighborhood
and the houses and the trees and everything

810
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.960
in the forest. But I wouldn't
say there's anything particularly stunning. Okay,

811
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.920
yeah, like the night sky and
stuff looks really cool. I there are

812
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.119
moments where where things are really really
cool, but overall there are better versions

813
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.920
of that. All right, it's
good to know. I'm gonna jump in

814
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.000
here, do it, uh because
I played a game last week with a

815
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.960
lot of commonalities here called Tacoma.
Yeah, from the makers have gone home

816
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.679
those dudes, yeah, and ladies. Yeah. Yeah. I got to

817
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.599
sit down and play like the first
twenty thirty minutes of Tacoma, but I

818
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.239
didn't really I wasn't really like trying
to progress the story so much as I

819
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.159
was just kind of wandering everywhere I
could and sort of taking an overview of

820
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.679
how it's put together and stuff.
Is it in space or you in space?

821
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.880
Yes? Okay, I believe that's
the case. Space Coma. Yes,

822
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.360
Coma sits at the l one lagrange
point. Actually, if you were

823
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:54.159
wondering, Yeah, like that.
They're you know, they're they're immediately striking

824
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.440
similarities to to Gone Home to to
you know what you're describing here with this

825
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.159
game, Like it's it's very much
a you know, taking this environment and

826
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.840
absorbed as found narrative. You know
that like these these email conversations and like

827
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.679
these remnants left behind by these people
who were no longer here for reasons,

828
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:13.719
you know, not at checking a
bunch of bodio logs. Yeah, okay,

829
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:19.199
but they're and from what I've seen
so far in this they're they're interspersed

830
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.159
throughout the environments in really interesting ways. Because things like aar are a very

831
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.159
prominent feature of like just life in
this world. It takes place in I

832
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.280
think it's twenty eighty eight, okay, uh, And there are references after

833
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.280
the last human family fell to the
robotronics exactly and this was the result.

834
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.000
There are a lot of interesting touches
that kind of ground it in in what

835
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.119
we know as modern life. Like
the station was built by a company called

836
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.719
Virgin Tesla. Uh. Like I
found I found an audiologue at one point

837
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:55.480
where they're talking about like the ramifications
of of AAR dating and like what would

838
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.599
it mean if you were to date
somebody in AAR but you were to modulate

839
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.599
your voice slower and I wanted to
make yourself look thinner or whatever. You

840
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.199
know. It's like like, yeah, it's some interesting stuff in there like

841
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.960
that, but like I said,
very similar. You know, it looks

842
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.000
you're gonna be exploring and reading a
lot and stuff like that. Have you

843
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.639
seen much of a drift? No? Although so I did a little podcast

844
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.519
interview thinking with Steve Gayner that's on
the site now. Yeah, and the

845
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.559
Giant Bond presents feed and he actually
mentioned a drift briefly in comparison to this

846
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.960
game. But no, I haven't
seen that game firsthand at all. You

847
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:30.800
have, right, Yeah, yeah, you're you know, you're in space,

848
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.679
you're looking at stuff. Yeah,
it seems like but there's an oxygen

849
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.280
component to that name though, where
you are kind of constantly I mean presumably

850
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.719
you will find areas where that that's
not the problem. Yeah, I got

851
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.440
the sense of that game is maybe
a little more action oriented or kind of

852
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:49.239
like disaster oriented. Is that the
case? Yeah, gravity and stuff.

853
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.960
Shit happened here. We're not really
sure what, but boy, you're gonna

854
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.199
need to like swim over here and
get some oxygen, right, you know,

855
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.719
this seems a lot more methodical.
It's not like there's a leak on

856
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.320
the station and you gotta, okay, figure shit out before everything explodes or

857
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:05.920
whatever. But there's a gravity component
to it. You you've got like mag

858
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.280
boots and you can basically look at
a ceiling at almost any point and hit

859
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.000
a button and then the ceiling becomes
the floor. Like you just kind of

860
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.159
jump up there and switch surfaces and
like more to you traverse the environment,

861
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.440
or if you get access to additional
logs, it seems like both Okay,

862
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.599
like it seems like you have to
do a lot of that stuff to uh,

863
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.320
just to find your way around,
Like it seems like the station is

864
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:28.559
built with that stuff in mind.
Like I don't. I'm really curious to

865
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.239
like dig into that environment more as
like kind of a potentially plausible sort of

866
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.079
vision of what like, you know, public space travel might be like in

867
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.000
the future. You know, like
it was a it was a cool environment

868
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.920
in that regard. But I did
not dig into the story at all because

869
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.440
I'd rather just kind of wait,
yeah, experience that stuff kind of start

870
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.639
to finish once it comes out.
But yeah, it seems really promising so

871
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.519
far from from what I've seen of
it. But we got into a lot

872
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.639
more detail on the thing that cools
on the other feeds. So go check

873
00:49:52.679 --> 00:50:00.280
that out. If you like listening
to stuff, Yeah I do. Yeah,

874
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.639
it turns out its popular activity.
I did some listening to stuff over

875
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:12.039
the weekend while I was reinstalling every
single Xbox One game on my account to

876
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.400
an external hard drive. So I
had erased a bunch of stuff off my

877
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.239
Xbox One your storage, and yeah, so I have I got an external

878
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:24.239
drive. And then it's like,
okay, well now let's just install everything.

879
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:30.599
Yeah, of course, and so
I had redownload stuff, and that

880
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.199
kind of took all weekends to redownload
the sixty or seventy things that it had

881
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:37.440
to, you know, and some
of those are like small DLC. Some

882
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.119
of that's some of that stuff that
had to move from the internal to the

883
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.079
external, which obviously is way faster, probably like a good portion or like

884
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:45.239
twenty gigs or more. Yeah,
yeah, I mean, like I think

885
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.800
Master Chief Collection at this point is
like eighty gigs or whatever it is about

886
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.519
that just something fucking crazy like that. So rare is like fifty yeah,

887
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.039
and also the rare replays. So
I don't know if this is just because

888
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.360
I was installing everything in bulk,
but installations on the Xbox One just like

889
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.519
to fucking stop. Yeah, I've
noticed that from time to where it'll just

890
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.199
it'll just kill it and go on
to the next thing. In the quay,

891
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.639
installations stopped. You're like why no, And I can go back and

892
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.760
resume it and it'll pick a pack
up, but it's just like it's had

893
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.519
enough. It's like, you know, you don't need you don't need Dead

894
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.559
Rising three right now, You're good. You're good. I feel like we

895
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.480
all ran into that with Rare Replay, didn't we like yeah, so yeah,

896
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.440
we all three of us ended up
getting early access to Rare Replay.

897
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:29.400
And I don't know if that has
something to do with it, but like,

898
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.280
as a result, like it's doesn't
patch write getting it to install.

899
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.880
Like now I have two copies of
Banjo Kazooi on my install list two yeah,

900
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.679
and and two copies of like jet
Pack Refueled and like the stuff I

901
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:45.960
owned all three sixty Originally, I
have doubled over because I you know,

902
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.159
I bought Banjo Kazooi and then I
relearned my lesson and didn't get Banjo TWOI.

903
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:52.840
I see, yeah, okay,
but you own it now. Technically

904
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.679
I do technically own Banjo TWOI,
so I can get in there and stop

905
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:01.559
and swap any time I want.
And yeah, like that stuff was just

906
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.760
kind of screwy. I still can't
figure out how to reinstall Killer Instinct one.

907
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.039
Oh yeah, that's right. I
problems who I think you like?

908
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:15.840
I launched Killer Instinct to the new
one because that was originally how you got

909
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:17.000
acces to. You would launch it
and it would go, hey do you

910
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.280
want to download Killer Instinct? You
need to say fucking yeah, and it

911
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.840
was its own separate tile. Yeah, it's its own separate game, but

912
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.880
it's not. It was only available
as part of like the like you know,

913
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.280
I bought everything from season one KI
packet. Like, you couldn't go

914
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.880
to the store and just get Killer
and it's not in there. I don't

915
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.000
think I want to say it was
like under like additional const You might be

916
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.320
able to search for it somehow in
there and find that it's not under Like

917
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.440
when I go to the like manage
game on on new Killer Instinct, that's

918
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.960
not there as an as an item, you know, So I I'm not

919
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.440
sure what to do. You could
just not play Killer Instinct. I mean,

920
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.800
yeah, shut up, it's not
about playing Killer Instinct. Yeah,

921
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.480
sure, it's it's about inst It's
about using It's about fucking putting everything I've

922
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.800
got onto that drop. It's about
utilizing your god given hard drive space.

923
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.440
Exactly do you not have a certain
cutoff, like a bar of quality?

924
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.360
Because I was doing the same thing. I think, did we all buy

925
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.159
that too tearabyte external drive? Okay, that's what we all got. And

926
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.199
so I went from like eighty nine
percent full to like fourteen percent full,

927
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.559
and I had that initial thought of
like, well, I'm gonna scroll to

928
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.360
the right and I'm gonna hit download
on every fucking thing that's on this list,

929
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.840
but certain things like I'd look at
like Crimson Dragons. I reinstalled Crimson

930
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:36.800
Drags, Crimson Dragon, Power Star
Golf, I reinstalled Loco Cycle, wouldn't

931
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.519
I started reinstalling the Connect Rivals demo
and then went, wait, no,

932
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:43.239
what No, okay, so that's
the cutoff. That's your bar demos,

933
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.840
And okay, so I did not
install the Gears of War Ultimate Edition Beta

934
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.480
that has long since expired. I
did not install both copies of Banjo Kazoo.

935
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.559
Okay, be full, installed all
of the Dance Central Spotlight DLC that

936
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:59.559
I own. Okay, all full
games that you that you have on your

937
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:04.079
system you have download? Yes,
So is there any chance whatsoever that you

938
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:07.440
will ever play Local Cycle again in
your life? As it was installing,

939
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.519
I had a moment of like,
man, I should go look at Local

940
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.800
Cycle some more. And then I
was like, you know what, I'm

941
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.000
good that sign right where it is? Yeah, Power Star Golf, any

942
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.559
chance? Whoever? Everyone loves Power
Star Golf. No, I will never

943
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:23.960
play. So why did he download? Because it could because I could.

944
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:30.519
There's got to be a bar of
quality. What if I wanted to play

945
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.000
power Star Golf, then you can
in that instance, you can. You

946
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.519
can download it now, I don't
have to. I guess you'll do.

947
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.519
You've got so much hard drive space
that it doesn't matter it's done. I

948
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:45.920
guess you will be ready to win. And if that day comes, I'm

949
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.360
screwed. When I get ahold of
you and say we're gonna play some multiplayer

950
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.280
power Star Golf, You're gonna be
like, wait a minute, hang on,

951
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:54.320
hang on, hang on, hang
on. Maybrow be like you're like

952
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:57.880
all right. As of this moment, everybody who doesn't have Power Star Golf

953
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.119
installed right now is fired. As
I want. You know how I can

954
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.119
get that's a less moonvest things power
No, he's more of a scream ride

955
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.159
guy. Yeah sure I didn't install
that. Yeah, so yeah, I

956
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.719
reinstalled. I could. In some
cases there was like I now have all

957
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.719
of the add on items for Sunset
overdrived installed in both the internal and external,

958
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.280
and I can't delete it from the
internal for some reason. Weird,

959
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.800
like so that stuff is just really
fair. The management of like add on

960
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.280
content and DLC and stuff on the
Xbox. I hope, I hope that

961
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.119
stuff is part of what's getting redesigned
for this fall board update. And because

962
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:31.480
it's a mess, right, I
think we both are more than just me

963
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:37.280
ran into the case of like Banjo
TWOI wouldn't launch or uninstalled or anything hard

964
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.320
read. I had to hard reboot
the system still made it. And yeah,

965
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.880
it's just there's a lot of weird
stuff. And I don't know how

966
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.239
much of the stuff with the rare
replay games is related to how we got

967
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:51.360
access to rare replay, but that's
but rare replay is just a fucking weird

968
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.239
thing anyway, so who knows.
Yeah, I still think I couldn't get

969
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:58.480
the achievement for like play all the
games with the stupid Jetman thing because I

970
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.679
couldn't load up and get pack refew
because I had the old three sixty version,

971
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.079
Like I just can't start that game. Weird. Yeah, but I've

972
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.079
played like every other game I got
that achievement. I launched all the Jetman

973
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.199
games. I eventually got Banjo working
after doing the like hard power cycle thing

974
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.360
or whatever. But jet Pack is
still fucked weird. Sometimes you'll see it's

975
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.480
two tiles for one is the standard
one and one says the gold like banner

976
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.320
like My Banjo Kazooi and My Banjo
two. We don't say rare replay,

977
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.760
but all the other ones do.
It's it's really weird. It's really weird.

978
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.119
Yeah, or all the double Talent
ones games that you could own digitally

979
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.760
over Yes, Banjo. Yeah,
the double is call is caused by like

980
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.079
me already owning some of those games. Assume it's because the rare replay version

981
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.480
has something just slightly different about it, right, I guess well they would

982
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.679
have to, because you can actually
exit those games straight back into rare replay,

983
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:46.119
so there must be something going on. Yeah, you can all the

984
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.280
start button to bring that thing.
But I think that's something that they probably

985
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.159
patched into all versions. Maybe so
Games Duo knows, No, you would

986
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.679
think, but it's that that's a
little strange. Dan, to your question

987
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.400
about the bar of quality, Yeah, I understand. I had a chilling

988
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.559
moment over the weekend whenever I happened
to look at my remaining storage on my

989
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.760
PS four, which has got that
too too terror By drive in it.

990
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.800
I've only got seven hundred gig left. Shit, that's a pretty good I've

991
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.360
only got seven hundred gig left.
Do you have every one of your games

992
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.719
downloading everything everything? Okay? Then
you're like, I don't have the Destiny

993
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.320
Alpha and beta. Okay? Do
you have like Kills Own Shadow Fall on

994
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.000
there or something? No, there's
some two you have stuff that you can

995
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.159
There's quite a few disc games I
don't have installed, okay, every the

996
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:34.079
only so the only disc game I
have installed in the Xbox One is Call

997
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.159
of Duty, okay, because at
some point I just erased all of those,

998
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.039
right, and you always throw that
back in if you really had to,

999
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.800
I would still have to download patches
and all the add on. Like

1000
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.800
if I wanted to play Forts of
five or whatever, it would be hours.

1001
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.400
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
If I wanted to play Rise,

1002
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:53.480
and I'm just kidding, I've never
wanted, right, It's not that bad.

1003
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:59.840
But yeah, like you know,
it's like immediately obtaining and downloading every

1004
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.440
like free PS plus game every month, and you know, etcetera, etcetera.

1005
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:06.480
Like it's like sure enough, you
know, slow and steady, and

1006
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:07.840
I've got a things fill it up, and I'm in the preview program.

1007
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.079
So I now have an increasing number
of Xbox three sixty games and then installing.

1008
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.719
So it's like now I've got Gears
of War and I played like the

1009
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.480
first hour of Shadow Complex. Sure
it's great. Week how did it run?

1010
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.679
Like I've found some some of the
three sixty games run better than others.

1011
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.440
Yeah, well all that stuff is
in beta, you know, I

1012
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:28.639
guess, but I mean some of
the rare stuff was not amazing. Like

1013
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.559
I played a little bit of Banjo
Nuts and Bolts and it was not great.

1014
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.280
It was chugging a little bit.
Yeah, I don't know. Shadow

1015
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.239
Complex for the most part, rand
fine. There was the sequence early on

1016
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.480
refrightened the helicopter U and as the
other guy in the suit, and I

1017
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:45.679
think that was always phrasing. Yeah, yeah, it probably was. Yeah,

1018
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:46.679
that'll be the hard things, like
you have to go back and compare

1019
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.159
and go actually this was fucked on
a real three sixty two. Like it's

1020
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.000
not necessarily the case that they're going
to fix all that, but uh,

1021
00:58:54.280 --> 00:59:01.039
Shadow Complex is a great game,
yes, but it's like there are parts

1022
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.920
of it, the movement and stuff
that like you play it now and you're

1023
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.199
like, man, this could have
been so much smoother in terms of just

1024
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.199
like jumping and character movement and stuff
like that, like he's kind of all

1025
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:14.480
over the place. Uh, And
it's fine, but yeah, I was

1026
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.559
wondering because I wondered if it was
just a good thing for its time,

1027
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.840
because I remember I played the game
like three times in a row, and

1028
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.679
I never do that. I got
all the achievements, I had the max

1029
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.159
like level cap and all. I
loaded it back up, and like it

1030
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:29.079
was like the room with the gold
guns opened up, and I was like,

1031
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:30.639
oh right, And then I had
to look at him and go,

1032
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:31.920
like, I don't know which the
best one is. It's probably the one

1033
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.079
in the center, the weird auto
shotgun thing, right, that thing is

1034
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:40.239
just deadly, and like the full
map shows up and stuff. So it's

1035
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.519
like it's actually hard to have the
real progression of the actual game now,

1036
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:47.519
and there's no real way to delete
that like save as far as I know,

1037
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.960
okause it's I mean I just downloaded
the game on my Xbox One.

1038
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.840
Well, if if you had a
cloud save on the three sixty that's where

1039
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.719
it's pulls from, so you could
theoretically delete that save out of and then

1040
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.320
we three sixty cloud and restart and
that might work. And alst they're doing

1041
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.320
some other weird larger leaderboard based or
other kind of server side but I was

1042
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.639
also unlocking like gamer pictures and stuff. I went to the options and it's

1043
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.599
a gamer picture unlot nice all right, Yeah, I couldn't find it anywhere

1044
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:22.639
I really wanted. Yeah. Yeah, that's a cool game, and I

1045
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.000
wish they would make another one of
those. Yeah. But at the same

1046
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:27.119
time, like like going back and
playing that game, I mean, it's

1047
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.400
not that old. It's like oh
nine, right, but like there's there

1048
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:37.920
are things about the character movement in
that game that like could be just so

1049
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.840
you could feel a lot better than
it does. I remember it feeling really

1050
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.119
good when you got that upgrade.
They let you sprint across the lake.

1051
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.280
Yep, that's awesome. Okay,
yeah, that's still cool. That's awesome.

1052
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:49.719
Okay. But yeah, the more
I think about the game, the

1053
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.199
less that. I mean, not
that I even loved it at the time,

1054
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.039
but like the setting of it is
kind of somewhere between generic and like

1055
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:01.000
slightly off putting. Yeah. Well
yeah, I mean, like I don't

1056
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:05.039
know something about going back to that
now, and just like here's some kind

1057
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:08.760
of weird paramilitary thing trying to operate
on American soil and the government implications all

1058
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.639
that sort of stuff, like you
know, Jade helm Man, Yeah,

1059
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.400
maybe it took itself a little too
seriously. If they absolutelyan of course,

1060
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.639
you know, with you know,
the creative Yeah, and put us behind

1061
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.639
that thing, that would never happen. But like if what if it just

1062
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.079
went like full Gi Joe or whatever, you know, just completely ridiculous.

1063
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:30.719
I could get into that. Yeah, yeah, I would still like to

1064
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.440
see another another one of those.
I think that that team Craft that a

1065
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.079
really good game in that style,
and I think that that they you know,

1066
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.400
if those people are still together as
a team, Yeah, totally.

1067
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:47.239
I'm making Infinity Blades somewhere. They
made three of those three is the legally

1068
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:52.840
allowed maximum of video games you can
make, and one complex too. The

1069
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:54.199
time is now in one franchise.
It's time to get back to see the

1070
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:59.760
dollar disc based shadow. I don't
wait to hang on now the fully blown

1071
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:05.800
out But then what if they felt
compelled to put it in third person or

1072
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.679
something because they had to because it
was on a disc or something. That

1073
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:13.000
would be tragic and sad. But
I agree, Yeah, I kind of

1074
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.960
want to go back and watch that
quick look again. The one that you

1075
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:20.440
stitched together just to just to remember. That's exactly why I bring it up.

1076
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.519
Yeah, man, we should we
should go look at that. We

1077
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:27.159
should go comment over that quick look. But I wonder if we need be

1078
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.960
able to notice. I don't know. No, that's how good a job

1079
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.360
I did. That's how good good
a job you did. They brought that

1080
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.159
game by the office. I've probably
told this story before they brought that.

1081
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.440
It was it was Donald Mustard.
Yeah, the head of chair brought the

1082
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.480
game on a debug three sixty by
the office and like sat down and did

1083
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:45.920
like one of the first quick look
he exes with it. Yeah. Uh,

1084
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.239
it was like twenty minutes long or
something twenty five. It's on site.

1085
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:53.039
And after he left, we went
back and looked at the recording and

1086
01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:57.840
something had gone bad and like it
had dropped like half of the frames in

1087
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:02.039
the quick look or something like that. But we also got retail codes for

1088
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:06.719
the game in like right around the
time that we realized this had happened,

1089
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.199
and we had like what at least
like a week or something before the embargo

1090
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:16.280
was up. So I set about
taking the audio from that quick look and

1091
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:22.039
listening to it over and over and
fucking over. Yeah, until I could

1092
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.800
replicate every single thing that he did
in that quick look to enough of a

1093
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:30.559
degree of accuracy that nobody would notice
Frankenstein's Monster of a quick look. Like,

1094
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:32.280
so you should we should talk Drew
about it sometime, because he was

1095
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.480
the one that cut it all together, because we had to figure out,

1096
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:37.119
like, Okay, does it do
the metroid thing of when you go through

1097
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.079
a door it pans over, because
that's going to be impossible to stitch rooms

1098
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:44.440
together, or does it like hard
cut the black and then like we like

1099
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.599
we just need one frame of like
black too, and sure enough, like

1100
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.360
it was just enough that we could
stitch like actions in one room together from

1101
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.599
one take with like separate actions from
a different take in the next room.

1102
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:58.719
Do you have we record the whole
thing or was it just part of it

1103
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:00.880
that was it was the whole thing
start to finish. So there's one thing

1104
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.599
that changes between rooms. I think
it might be like an on screen timer

1105
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.079
or something like. Drew pointed this
out at the time when he was putting

1106
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:09.320
it together. He's like, it's
like the only way you're gonna notice is

1107
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.960
if you're looking at this one thing
every time you change rooms, they're going

1108
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.880
to see that change, and they
would know this would all been put together

1109
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:16.880
from like eighteen. It was like
ammo count. Maybe that's what it was.

1110
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:21.400
It was one little detail that nobody
ever picked up on, sure unless

1111
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:24.559
they're looking for it. Oh,
that was such pain in the ass.

1112
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.280
Is it the worst, man?
Yeah, because you've got the boss fight.

1113
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.000
Because the boss fight. He commented
on some specific things he did to

1114
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.360
the boss, like lobbing a grenade
into the thing at exact time that I

1115
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:40.000
had to mimic almost perfectly. It
was fucking horrible. It was really fucking

1116
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:44.880
awesome to like sit and watch you
fucking maniacally that it took so long,

1117
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.039
Sane, that's impressive. It took
so long. In retrospect, we probably

1118
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:51.840
could have just re recorded our own
quick look with it. Well, we

1119
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:54.760
could, but we were able to
run in a week earlier. Oh,

1120
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:56.920
that's what I think. That's what
it was. It was because it was

1121
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.559
something that was reported separately. That's
what it was. The embargo for that

1122
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.960
visit. It was earlier than if
we, like the review embargo, so

1123
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:04.159
we could have You're right, we
would have just had no video for the

1124
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.719
first embargo. Shere back and look
at that thing. I think I'm still

1125
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.920
I'm still very proud of it.
And props to Drew for cutting that cutting

1126
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:19.199
that Frankenstein's mess together. Yeah,
it was fun, stupid. That was

1127
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:23.599
a weird basement. Yeah, Jason, Yo, how are you doing?

1128
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.920
Man? We are in full on
nesting mode and yeah, baby's coming mid

1129
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.360
October and she's just like like piling
blankets together in specific ways pretty much,

1130
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.679
but get extra comfortable. No,
Actually, what we're trying to do is

1131
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:38.440
just like clear out room. So
we decided to stay at our place right

1132
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:43.119
which is really small and babies are
still really small, but there's stuff takes

1133
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.599
up a lot of space, like
you know, cribs, you know,

1134
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.360
activity centers and playpends and all that
junk. So yeah, we're trying to

1135
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.559
get rid of stuff, move it
down to storage. And that was my

1136
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:57.280
entire weekend for the most part,
with the exception of after she went to

1137
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.039
bed, I got to play a
Little Galaxy, which is which pretty fucking

1138
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:03.719
rad. I like that game an
awful lot. Not normally into rogue les

1139
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.760
really yeah, like Rogue Legacy.
You know, I'm kind of like,

1140
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:11.039
it's a great game. I just
I couldn't see myself through it. The

1141
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:14.119
same thing with like Splunky or something
or anything like that. I understand the

1142
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:18.360
draw to those games doesn't necessarily speak
to me, but Galaxy's totally doing that.

1143
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:20.480
Yeah, so yeah, right,
amount of challenge and stuff took me

1144
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:24.480
a little while to get use to
the controls. But once I'm in it,

1145
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.519
man, I had Yeah, I
had a great run. I got

1146
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:32.880
up to two five and just fucked
up. I fucked up dead. Yeah.

1147
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.119
Did you make it to the boss
or was it before? It was?

1148
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:39.320
But it was before the fucking boss. I mean that level gets pretty

1149
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:43.280
thick. I just beat that one
and I haven't played it since. Like

1150
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.079
I just I was so pissed.
I was so pissed they pile it on.

1151
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.039
I mean, like the feeling of
desperation playing that game is genuine.

1152
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.440
Yeah, you really feel it.
It's it's intimidating. There were several times

1153
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.719
this weekend where I wanted to load
it up, and like I'm on season

1154
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.960
two and I would just look at
the icon and I wouldn't be ready to

1155
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:00.960
play it. Just like, I
don't know if I'm ready to be that

1156
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.760
tense all the time right now.
Totally, it's super intimidating. Uh yeah,

1157
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:08.920
I had that save at two five
for like five days without touching it

1158
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.320
because I was like, I need
to be in the right like head space

1159
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:14.360
before I go at this thing.
I was streaming. I was like,

1160
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:16.159
you guys were recording more metal gear
stuff, and I was just running a

1161
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:19.840
stream out of my desk. This
was like Thursday. Uh, and yeah,

1162
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.119
I got it two five and just
was fucking around and fucked up and

1163
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:28.679
fucking died. Yeah, and you
didn't have enough credits you continue, And

1164
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.920
I just kind of accidentally left the
stream running for like another forty five minutes.

1165
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.119
I set the stroller down, presumably
just like rage quick. I don't

1166
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.519
I don't know, I continued once. And I don't know that I'll ever

1167
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:40.800
do it again. I don't know
that it's worth it to me. It's

1168
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.320
a sacrifice all that starting man.
No no, no, no, no.

1169
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.320
If you get it, if you
get to the right load out,

1170
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.960
that's it's so important. If you're
having a really good run and you're just

1171
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.000
like, I want to just get
all that stuff back, and because there's

1172
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:55.000
no guarantee that you're gonna get the
same stuff, but there's also to guarantee

1173
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.719
that you're gonna make it to your
corpse like the box of your ship before

1174
01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:00.840
you And yeah, it's a little
bit of the fun right there. Yeah,

1175
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.679
it's the thing that inserts like the
care required to play that game period

1176
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:08.039
is like that feeling of like,
well now I don't even have my shit,

1177
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:11.760
sure, so I need to play
it super care. The one time

1178
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.239
I did it, I had to
like just bypass every encounter to get my

1179
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:15.279
stuff. You know. It's like
I literally like, you don't have the

1180
01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:18.159
robot fort caring about the vision cones. Yeah, yeah, like you don't.

1181
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.520
You've all you've got is the p
shooter, and it's like I cannot,

1182
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:24.000
I literally cannot go toe to toe
with these enemies until I get my

1183
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.920
stuff back. Totally changes the way
that you play, and I've actually kind

1184
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:29.880
of adopted more of that into just
like the normal game play because then I'm

1185
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:32.840
starting to recognize like really bad trouble
spots, so I will use like stealth

1186
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:36.159
or quote unquote to get around enemies
and stuff, and I'm using the robot

1187
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:40.199
form a lot more. And man, that game's uh, yeah, super

1188
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.159
good, especially since they announced you
know that that patch I'd tried since that

1189
01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.960
hit. Yes, it came out
over the weekend. It definitely seems to

1190
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.760
help performance. So I've still had
a hitch up a couple of times,

1191
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.520
but it's been generally a lot,
a lot smoother in the big fights.

1192
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:55.439
Yeah, I've had like one lock
up and you know, just countless like

1193
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.439
you know, framy situations. Also, Jeff, you'll appreciate this. They

1194
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.920
toned down the number of combat bark
Yeah. I saw in the patch notes,

1195
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:05.079
like the characters are just less chatty. Yeah. The game the game

1196
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:10.119
was on the verge of becoming a
drinking game that would be real, real

1197
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:14.000
bad. It repeated itself quite a
bit, pitching space jobs. Yeah,

1198
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:15.640
and there was one level that it
glitched out and they just kept saying the

1199
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.159
same thing over. It was like
a three person dialogue, just the entire

1200
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:25.399
levels over and over. The one
big bullet point that I like got really

1201
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.560
excited about is the robot transformation happens
a lot quicker. Yes, and you're

1202
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:32.760
able to buffer, Yeah, like
your grappas like as you're transforming now,

1203
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:38.520
so that'll meet up. Yeah,
the combat a little bit. Yeah,

1204
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.920
I found myself doing exactly that thing, you know, like I'm gonna grab

1205
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.520
the electrical thing with robot and throw
it at these guys who immediately take their

1206
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:47.079
shields down and then transform into the
ship and lock on missiles like before they

1207
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:50.239
can even respond. Yeah, totally. It feels really good. Like the

1208
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:57.399
combat in that game is super interesting, hard fucking game. It's Yeah,

1209
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.840
I'm at the point now where I
just beat the third season. I'm into

1210
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:02.760
five. Wow, I died right
away, but can you know because you

1211
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.800
carry over, you know, some
of your money. Yeah, so you're

1212
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.039
able to get some stuff and died, didn't get back to my corpse,

1213
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:11.800
and now I've just got nothing.
And man, that first level, I

1214
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.239
just I just not having my robot
and not having any of my weapons.

1215
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:19.399
It is so frustrating. Uh,
and it's so hard to like start from

1216
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:23.079
scratch. Yeah, I've kind of
hit a wall. I feel like you

1217
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.319
earn it when you pull it off
though. Yeah for sure. Yeah,

1218
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.840
absolutely think Austin Wroth review and I
think at one point he actually was going

1219
01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:32.279
back into previous episodes to try to
have a good crash coin. I can

1220
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:36.039
see that he could start four ship. I'm starting to think that, so

1221
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:40.000
could you do could you do like
two and then go straight to four and

1222
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.199
take those coins? With you.
Yeah, thinks so interesting. Okay,

1223
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.239
huh, and like he had to
do that to beat it. I think

1224
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.079
that's what I think that was one
of his approaches at one point. I'm

1225
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:49.880
not sure I went. But there's
uh, there's some stuff in like in

1226
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:54.720
the combat that is not maybe especially
well documented that has been helping me out.

1227
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:57.600
Like a friend of mine told me
that if you're if you're the robot

1228
01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:59.880
and you grab a ship and throw
it at a wall, it will be

1229
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.359
bounce off and take a stun Yeah, like it'll be it'll literally be stunned

1230
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:04.199
for a couple of seconds, and
then you can just wait in and beat

1231
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:05.720
the ship out of it. I
try and do that. Yeah, just

1232
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:09.239
keep in stun locks. Yeah,
that's that's a good way to like neutralize

1233
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.399
one of the bigger enemies in a
big fight and trying to kind of get

1234
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:13.760
him out of your face for a
minute. Yeah, so you've got one

1235
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:15.600
thing. Can you just throw it
to the wall over and over again?

1236
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.239
And it seems like you probably kind
of could. I don't know if you

1237
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:20.920
can do it like indefinitely. I
got through a couple of loops though,

1238
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.039
and it seems to work well generally
if you're down to one ship, I

1239
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.680
feel like if that's enough to just
like, yeah, tear it apart with

1240
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:31.600
the really fast sword does a lot
of damage. I've not gotten good with

1241
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:34.960
the robot form. Yeah, it
takes us very spare. Yeah, it

1242
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.640
takes them. It takes some getting
used to, especially the like the charge

1243
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:41.319
sword specifically is what does so much
damage. But you have to figure out

1244
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:43.560
like the range you need to be
at to hit with it and stuff like

1245
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.640
that. It'll come in time.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like,

1246
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:48.000
in fact that we're even having this
conversation, I feel like kind of

1247
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.760
indicates the sort of depth in the
combat in this game. Yeah, I

1248
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:55.640
was. I was really surprised by
it. Yeah, agreed. Other than

1249
01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:58.319
that, yeah, that's about it. Rising Thunder. I tried to play

1250
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.319
this weekend. I never found the
time. But uh, they're continuing list

1251
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.640
continuously making updates to that. They've
added new variants to a couple of the

1252
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:09.960
you know, the characters, and
it is now in like open alpha and

1253
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:13.840
really can just sign in and play. Okay, so no more codes needed.

1254
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:16.920
Go check that shit out, sign
up and yeah it'll do. Yeah

1255
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.640
that's cool. Have they have they
given any any longer term plans like a

1256
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:26.239
roadmap for like, here's when more
characters are coming or more knocks. We

1257
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.960
should see about getting them in here, and yeah, picking their brains a

1258
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.880
little bit about that thing. Yeah, that'd be cool. I might try

1259
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.399
and talk to them at packs as
well. We'll see, but yeah,

1260
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.840
i'd love to have them right here. Yeah. That thing we are I

1261
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:42.359
think is really interesting. I have
one more game to talk about. What's

1262
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:47.199
that? It's now the only game? Oh, betting on Doda. That's

1263
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:49.880
not that's not. Yeah, I
guess it is. All right, I'm

1264
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:55.399
in. It's trusted because it's not
Doda. It's betting on Dota, betting

1265
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:58.399
out we had. I had this
conversation with any earlier than he was asking,

1266
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.199
was like, all right, can
I so I just need get in

1267
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:01.880
there and like fire up Doda and
buy some items and get I was like,

1268
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:03.600
no, you could just go to
the web store and do this.

1269
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.680
You don't even need Doda. You
never even you don't even have to install

1270
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:12.600
Doda to go buy some items and
start putting them down. It's ridiculous.

1271
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.359
I can't believe that I did it. So you had your first taste of

1272
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.520
it, but I did. Now
you're going to throw away off the entire

1273
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:20.840
life I put. I put seventy
five dollars worth of items down on this

1274
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:26.359
thing, some some nice items that
I paid cash money and straight to valve

1275
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:30.920
for. We watched live on air. Yeah, that didn't play out quite

1276
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.119
as dramatically as I had hoped.
It was pretty dramatic because I bet on

1277
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:40.359
the underdogs in that matchup. They
were I don't know how to convert this

1278
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:45.079
to like more standard odds. They
were at thirty percent. It was thirty

1279
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:47.279
seventy in favor of the other team. So it was about a two to

1280
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:51.680
one payout, okay, which is
why I've bet on them. It just

1281
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:56.039
so happened that the other team was
the American team, which was having an

1282
01:13:56.039 --> 01:14:00.960
incredible run. Yeah but sorry,
guy, Yeah, the hats come first,

1283
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.880
I get you. They did,
all right. This is this is

1284
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:08.000
a video game, like yeah,
and the teams are named after like total

1285
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.600
garbage, Like yeah, it's one
of the It's one of the things that

1286
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:12.960
like seeing people going, like,
finally an American team one. It's like,

1287
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:18.239
no, it's some fucking like peripheral
company or something. It's sports company,

1288
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:23.079
won Doda, It's not America.
Well no, but I mean,

1289
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:25.880
in this case, it was the
only team with like a decent share of

1290
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:29.640
American players on it. Yeah,
which is mostly where that came came from.

1291
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.520
But but like getting nationalistic about your
fucking yeah sports, it's not the

1292
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.960
Olympics, you know, it seems
super dumb to me. It's not the

1293
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:38.800
Olympics. But I mean, it
is a situation where China has been so

1294
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:42.520
dominant in doda for so long that
Chinese Doda, although not not so much

1295
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.439
this year, but like last year
it at TI it was absolutely that,

1296
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:48.159
to the point that it got kind
of boring because the style was very similar

1297
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.920
and like the game's kind of all
played out the same way. But whatever,

1298
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.680
Yeah, you got hats. I
got a lot of hats and free

1299
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.319
hats. It's amazing how much more
exciting a spectator activity is when you got

1300
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.520
something right. Who would have thought? Who would have thought? Uh yeah,

1301
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:10.960
Fantasy Doda website, I mean,
I'm working on Fantasy Doda is absolutely

1302
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:14.680
a thing that exists, and you
can totally get into that. I don't

1303
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:18.800
want to get no that crazy shit
too. But it was fun. I

1304
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.600
don't know if I would do it
again, but it was a good time,

1305
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.760
all right, it seemed. It
seemed super fucking shady. I mean,

1306
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.680
most of the processes documented on upf
if you really want to see it.

1307
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:30.840
But yeah, you know that when
I did look yet, I couldn't.

1308
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:33.239
I couldn't get the I couldn't get
the bet in because I waited until

1309
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:35.880
like five minutes before this matchup,
and then they were just getting slammed and

1310
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:40.239
all of their trade bots were occupied
already. Yeah, so you trade in

1311
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:43.159
your stuff and you get contacted by
a bot, like when it when it

1312
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:45.680
finally takes your when it finally takes
your wager. When the website actually worked

1313
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:47.760
well enough because I told it,
I was like, because it only lets

1314
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.479
you bet six items, and I
was like, all right, here are

1315
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:51.880
the six that I want to get
rid of, and they take them up

1316
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:56.840
front, they hold them in reserve. Yeah, otherwise, and like finally,

1317
01:15:56.960 --> 01:15:59.000
once it finally, once it took
the bet, it was like it

1318
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:00.960
was like it popped up a little
thing and it was like, all right,

1319
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:04.199
wait for a trade request from Obama
eighty two yep, and sure enough,

1320
01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.760
and you have to log into this. You have to have like you

1321
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:10.880
need steam running or the website that
can handle the trade stuff. You know,

1322
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:13.840
whatever, the Steam stuff has to
be accessible to you, so you

1323
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:17.439
can get the trade request and give
it those items. So at any point

1324
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:23.119
is actual cash being exchanged or is
it just items that cost not in this

1325
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:27.479
transaction. So so this is technically
legal. There are ways to launder money

1326
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.800
into and out of Steam though,
because there are there are shady other marketplaces

1327
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.760
that will let you take your virtual
items and cash them out for actual cash

1328
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:41.159
instead of Steam like marketplace dollars,
so you could conceivably get actual money.

1329
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:44.880
Yeah, okay, here's what we're
here's what we're gonna do. Okay,

1330
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.359
we're going to sell let's say,
a lot of cocaine. Okay, I'm

1331
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:55.359
past recording. Yeah, that's gonna
turn into a lot of cash. But

1332
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:57.640
like it's a lot of cash,
Like, what are you gonna do with

1333
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.720
it? Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna drive around. We're gonna

1334
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.960
go on a little road trip with
all our cash and just go to gas

1335
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:09.800
stations and fucking targets, and we're
gonna buy steam Wallet gift cards with all

1336
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.479
of our drug money. And now
we've got all these Steam cards, then

1337
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:17.520
we're gonna use those steam Wallet cards
to buy fucking hats. Then we're gonna

1338
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.760
take those hats and cash them out
for money. We won't get as much

1339
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:26.239
money as we put in, but
it will be clean money that will not

1340
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.199
come from the cocaine directly. It
will be enough steps removed that, like

1341
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:35.239
unless something flags a hit on these
transactions, which the cash trade for items

1342
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:39.720
is already kind of shady anyway,
so they're not going to be too inclined

1343
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:43.079
to go like, hey, i
rs this guy's like turning a lot of

1344
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:47.359
hats into cash over here, and
then we're gonna take that money and reinvest,

1345
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:54.239
go buy more cocaine. Seems like
a plan. Exactly is the problem

1346
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.239
with the cocaine money? You say
it's not clean? Is it because they're

1347
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.239
marked bills? Like how would that
be? How would it be traced back

1348
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:04.159
to? If you want to do
legitimate things with money? If so,

1349
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:08.880
the minute you spend over ten thousand
dollars in cash in any one transaction,

1350
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:12.039
there are forms that have to get
filled out, there are legal proceeds.

1351
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.840
So if you're like I'm gonna go
buy a house and pay cash for it,

1352
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.800
they will know you're talking like real
cash or do you mean like,

1353
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:24.119
hey, I'm using a debit card
cash. So like if you deposited that

1354
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:26.880
cash to a bank to make your
debit card happen, that's a trend.

1355
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.560
Yeah, even even even taking it
to the bank and trying to put it

1356
01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:31.279
in there will raise a bunch of
red flags. What if you did two

1357
01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:34.640
separate five thousand dollars transactions, you
know, if it was just two,

1358
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:38.560
yeah, you could probably get away
with it. But it's one hundred.

1359
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.800
Eventually, the paper trail is there
no matter how you broke it up.

1360
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:44.920
Yeah, you know. And so
like there's a lot of like traveling concerns

1361
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:46.399
about going out of country and stuff
like that too, or like you can't

1362
01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:50.520
travel with more than ten thousand dollars
in cash or some number that I think.

1363
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.880
I think it actually is still ten
thousand, So you could have like

1364
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:57.680
a dollar less than that strapped to
your body as you go through customs or

1365
01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.239
something like that. Okay, and
hope for the best, but like,

1366
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.800
you know, the point being,
at some point questions get asked, which

1367
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:10.039
is why people launder money. Uh, And like when I look at the

1368
01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:16.159
fucking hats for real money or eve
fucking plex uh turning into real money and

1369
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.640
stuff like that. All I can
think of, and maybe this says more

1370
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:23.399
about me than about any of these
services, shady or otherwise. But all

1371
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.199
I can think of is like,
well, if you had a bunch of

1372
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:28.600
drug money, there you go.
H No, I think that's think that's

1373
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:31.720
a genuine concern, sure, yeah, or concern or like the lifeblood of

1374
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:36.199
these operations on the low maybe,
Like I wonder like if anyone is caught

1375
01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:40.800
onto that. It sounds like that
would not for a really lame episode of

1376
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:44.840
the shield. Yeah sure yeah,
the lottery stuff for eve or SVU,

1377
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.960
but you're sure enough. I was
looking on upf at that site and their

1378
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:54.159
loan contact info is an email address. Yeah, Like that's it. Like

1379
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.720
I don't know what country that thing
is based in. I don't know who

1380
01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:00.560
runs it. I don't know anything
about the mount Gox guy still on the

1381
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:02.279
run somewhere. All I know I
think they caught him. Okay, yeah

1382
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.319
uh. All that said, I
willingly put my steam log in into that

1383
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:11.159
website wow, and then accepted a
trade request from one of its bots.

1384
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.039
But it was it was the steam
log and stuff that was like connected to

1385
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:18.159
Steam direction. It's like it's the
Steam api. So that's people people assumably

1386
01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:23.279
people on Twitter, Oh, because
they never steer you wrong. Said that

1387
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:28.840
the steamy API is quite secure,
actually fatal if they're using the real valve

1388
01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:31.119
stuff and you're logging in that way, and then it's, uh, you

1389
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:35.159
can be pretty confident. Yeah,
and sure enough I got all my stuff

1390
01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.439
back and a whole bunch on top
of it. Bang, it was the

1391
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:41.319
best. Eighty two came back with
your goods. It was a different bot.

1392
01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:44.479
Actually it was like six different bots. Like the first time it came

1393
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:45.960
back to give me stuff, it
only gave me five items out of the

1394
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:48.279
like twenty five that it owed me, And I was like, oh my

1395
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:50.560
god, that's all I'm ever going
to see, isn't it. That stuff's

1396
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:55.319
all gone and it was all garbage. But it finally came around. They

1397
01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.199
just got real busy. Yeah during
the tournament. That was pretty cool.

1398
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:02.479
Also, the International was amazing this
year. Yeah, so I heard bucking

1399
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:06.039
incredible, Like everything about the production
values that I saw, the quality of

1400
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:11.119
the matches, like the drama,
the upsets. I should have gone,

1401
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:15.359
what were there kind of like stream
numbers? Were they in league territory?

1402
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:20.399
I saw some insane stuff I wish
I couldn't Emili. I don't know about

1403
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.800
that, but I mean I couldn't. I didn't track down any kind of

1404
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:27.039
aggregate of because there's so many different
ways to watch at this point, Like

1405
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:29.800
there's like watching in the client,
there's watching on Twitch. Now they have

1406
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:34.279
like their like Valve has a new
web based streaming solution, all right,

1407
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:38.439
they built all that stuff in this
like it's like shoot dot com. Well

1408
01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:41.399
this exists on a web page right
now. It's in Beata, but it's

1409
01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.399
like Dota two dot com slash watch. The purpose of that stuff is to

1410
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:46.319
give you all the data around the
edges that the client would give you.

1411
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.880
Yeah, so where you've got real
time like item float outs and all that

1412
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:54.680
ship updating on the sides and stuff, like they're on YouTube streaming now.

1413
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:56.520
Like the point being like, you
know, it's kind of hard to look

1414
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.359
at a single number to really get
an idea of how big something like that

1415
01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:01.600
is at this point. But uh, during the finals, I saw people

1416
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:05.119
passing around screenshots of like three million
people watching it in the game client or

1417
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:09.760
something insane like that. So yeah, it was it was really big.

1418
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:13.399
Trying to think like what the big
league numbers were during the league tournament that

1419
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:15.760
everyone would throw around and be like
insane numbers. Yeah, and it seemed

1420
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:19.279
like the International, even in previous
years wasn't necessarily close. No, No,

1421
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:23.880
like League League in player base and
in viewership, seemed like it was

1422
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:26.560
always the thing. But I mean, this was like far and away the

1423
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:30.359
biggest prize pool in the history of
competitive video games. Does does League do

1424
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:31.960
the same thing with a big live
deal or you know, at an arena

1425
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.399
with commentators? What's it call?
Because I've heard of the International year after

1426
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:40.920
Okay, I think I've seen that
on Twitter. Yeah. Yeah, I'm

1427
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:44.880
kind of woefully uninformed about the League
stuff. But they they rent out staples

1428
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:46.640
like they it's a big o.
I remember, like once a year I'll

1429
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:49.640
see people say LCS and what's everyone
talking about? Liberty City story Hall.

1430
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:56.199
I just forgured they're talking about Baseball
CLCS in Baseball League Championships here, oh,

1431
01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:00.479
which is probably like probably this is
like the ALCS the oh right a

1432
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.239
l DS. Yeah. I've I've
heard great things about like Riots production and

1433
01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:06.039
stuff with that sort of thing.
Yeah, I haven't seen any of its

1434
01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:09.600
first hand. Tom. You know, No, at the end of the

1435
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:14.199
day, it's it's they're watching Legal
Legends. So yeah, yes, either

1436
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:18.119
you're into that or or not.
Uh and then yeah, Dan American one

1437
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:25.079
finally awesome, finally final that the
evil geniuses, evil geniuses on top against

1438
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:28.159
the odds. Although they were there, they were pretty highly thought of,

1439
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:30.800
but nobody necessarily thought they were going
to go all the way. Justin Wong

1440
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.960
himself, yephy Brad. Yeah,
those guys, those they were playing,

1441
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.520
they were they were playing, they
were playing with fights dicks. Cool.

1442
01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:45.239
It was amazing. I've never seen
anything like it. And mac Roy here's

1443
01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:48.680
here's I mean, here's your fucking
American dream though. Top to bottom.

1444
01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:51.880
The Star Breakout player, who was
a new player on EG as a sixteen

1445
01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:56.760
year old kid from Pakistan got awesome. Damn. Like his family immigrated here,

1446
01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:00.359
like he got into Doda over there
and like like whole story about like

1447
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:02.920
he sold his bike over there to
have more money to play Dota at the

1448
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.840
PC cafe whatever. Yeah, and
so now this kid is like rich.

1449
01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:13.039
Yeah, that's awesome. Six point
six million dollars split five ways sixteen Yeah,

1450
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:15.239
oh man, that's really granted.
You know, the team takes a

1451
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.119
cut. Yeah, yeah, but
I mean he s he's for a sixteen

1452
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:20.680
year old, he's doing well.
They actually they won the other big Dota

1453
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:25.520
tournament this year so far, the
Dota two Asian Championships. They won that

1454
01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:30.279
too, So he's he has chosen
well in his life's career, life's path.

1455
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.880
But yeah, like like Valve,
Valve actually pays the taxes on all

1456
01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.640
the winnings and this thing, so
they get they get the actual amount of

1457
01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:40.600
series, get the actual money.
So when they say like seventeen million dollars

1458
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:44.479
prize pool, it is seventeen millions
lottery bullshit. Actually it actually was way

1459
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:46.720
over eighteen by the time the finals
actually happened. Is it a lump pay

1460
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:50.920
out or I assume I guess.
I mean they split it among the players.

1461
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.920
Yeah, they're five five ways.
But yeah, like every every one

1462
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.239
of those kids on that team got
like won well over a million dollars by

1463
01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:00.319
winning this final, plus the team
whatever, the team and the team who

1464
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:04.600
knows what the team Obviously he's going
to take. I hope there's nine dollars.

1465
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:06.800
He's super big, right. You
know, they've got a ton of

1466
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:11.600
different players to support. I don't
know where they're getting their money from.

1467
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:15.439
Lots of ships and yeah, most
teams. Most teams are doing a lot

1468
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:18.680
of sponsorships and stuff, a lot
of fucking shitty mice and keyboards out there,

1469
01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:23.079
and someone needs to stand next.
I mean Gunner Glass More and more.

1470
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.239
Like the bigger name players are breaking
a bunch of money in streaming on

1471
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:30.279
Twitch and stuff like that. Like
their viewership numbers are fucking crazy, really

1472
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:32.640
crazy crazy. Wonder what kind of
cut yeah they take off, Like I

1473
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.520
I always get the sense that the
winnings are just kind of like icing on

1474
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:40.279
top of the actual business model.
Really yeah, okay, like if you

1475
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:42.880
can win, it's great, but
like you know, you're definitely other ways

1476
01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:45.479
to bring in revenue, so conceivably, you know, this kid specifically could

1477
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.279
be twenty years old four years from
now and made a ton of money,

1478
01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:53.159
be set for the rest of his
life, and when people ask him like,

1479
01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:54.840
oh, how do you afford all
this stuff, like how come you

1480
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:56.800
don't have to work, he could
be like, oh, I just got

1481
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.439
good at the game in high school
and that paid for everything for the rest

1482
01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:00.880
of I mean, they're there are
there are people in their late twenties in

1483
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.119
Korea who live that exact story,
you know, like where where esports has

1484
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:06.760
been a thing for way longer,
you know, where it's been around for

1485
01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:12.319
like fifteen years now. Like there
are retired StarCraft players who are just done,

1486
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:15.640
you know, they like the cow
Ripken like like yeah, like the

1487
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:19.800
Bell Jong and Korea, Like he's
the most earning StarCraft player of all time.

1488
01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:21.880
I don't know if he's still playing
StarCraft two or not. Do they

1489
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:27.119
build up players as like phenoms are
just that they they're they're dedicated and they

1490
01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:30.439
practice you know, eighty hours absolutely. You know, they've got public personas,

1491
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:31.920
Like there's a there's a dynastic component
to a lot of it, you

1492
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:34.560
know, depending on what their legacy
is like like it is it is real

1493
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:40.560
sports in every way other than like
the physical athleticism. But like, how

1494
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:44.119
do you think it's changed? I
mean you went to Korea and yeah that

1495
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.039
was twenty ten, twenty ten,
Yeah, and saw some of that.

1496
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:53.319
Yeah, uh, how do you
think it's changed? What's the your impression

1497
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.079
of how different it is from that
over here versus how it was there.

1498
01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:00.399
Yeah, I don't know that.
I wouldn't say it's that different. I

1499
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:01.640
mean I was it was a smaller
theater that I was in over there.

1500
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.279
I think it held like three four
thousand people or something like that. It

1501
01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:06.439
was StarCraft. It was kind of
a different era. Well not only that,

1502
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:10.159
but it was StarCraft two at a
time when brood War was still the

1503
01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.640
dominant game in Korea by far,
Like that's brood War was selling out arenas

1504
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.399
and StarCraft two was kind of the
scrappy. I thought I saw some story

1505
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:18.159
going around that some League teams were
thinking about jumping too Doda. Yes,

1506
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:21.319
I was talking to talking to a
friend about that earlier today, Like like

1507
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:25.479
League is the big thing in Korea
right now, but but the money,

1508
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:27.560
I mean, god, you know, like the money has to be the

1509
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.600
driving force here, right, yeah, like it's so big and Doda,

1510
01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.439
dude, do most of the basic
strategies of League transferred to Doda and vice

1511
01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:39.279
versa. I mean, like not
really at any kind of specific level high

1512
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:42.079
level that they're playing at. Probably
not. Yeah, they're too because they're

1513
01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:45.279
very specific character based stuff. Like, yeah, there are too many differences

1514
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:47.319
at that point in a base level, like you know, to you and

1515
01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:49.960
I, the games are indistinguishable.
Yeah, right, but like it's five

1516
01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:53.720
on five and there are three lanes, like that's common. But beyond that,

1517
01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:55.560
you know, like, yeah,
the characters are so different, that

1518
01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:58.359
kind of thing. It's Canadian football. But that doesn't mean like if you're

1519
01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:00.800
if you're adept at that stuff and
you've already in a lot of time,

1520
01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:02.640
and it doesn't mean you can't switch
over, like players switch games all the

1521
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.600
time, you know. It just
it takes a while to ramp up.

1522
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:10.239
Yeah, but that was it was. It was a health and exciting final.

1523
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:13.039
That was a really great way to
spend a Saturday. That's great.

1524
01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.279
Yeah, it was the early afternoon, wasn't. Yeah they started in the

1525
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:18.520
morning like ten am and it went
to like five six, okay, but

1526
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:21.119
it could have gone on like it
was. It was the best of five

1527
01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:25.159
and they ended on a game four, So it wasn't quite as nail biting

1528
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:28.800
as as you might have hoped,
but it was still pretty tense, interesting,

1529
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:31.199
it was. It was good stuff. It's a lot of money,

1530
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:38.000
no joke when playing, but yeah
it is. It absolutely is. But

1531
01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:41.399
then when you get into the splits
and the team cuts and stuff like that,

1532
01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:46.119
like it's not actually million dollars payouts
that top team. Yeah, I

1533
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:50.239
mean absolutely, I mean, you
know, even even retirement money, you

1534
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:54.159
know, no, but even teams
finishing fourth fifth place, like they were

1535
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:57.520
still each player looking at like healthy
six figure payout totally stuff, you know,

1536
01:28:57.640 --> 01:28:59.560
like it's it's pretty good. Yeah, if you're super young and you

1537
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.199
can that's that. It could be
pretty good when you're young and you know,

1538
01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:03.600
when you're earning a salary from your
team already. Yeah, yeah,

1539
01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:09.319
that's the thing. The machine seems
more interesting. Yeah, the money perspective

1540
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.199
on the weddings. Yeah, it
was just it was it was a great

1541
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:13.800
story like some male the sixteen year
old kid I was talking about. But

1542
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:17.640
also I did you guys watch Free
to Play the Valve documentary, Like the

1543
01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:21.399
American player featured in that is like
he has a good story and that thing.

1544
01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:26.199
And this was basically his last shot. Like people call him like an

1545
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:30.279
old man and Doda you know he's
twenty seven. Uh yeah, like he

1546
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:31.640
was out last. I thought you
gonna say twenty four. No, no,

1547
01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.800
like he had he also he couldn't
play in in TI last year because

1548
01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:39.479
he had an arm injury. The
George Foreman of Doda. Yeah, it's

1549
01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:41.800
kind of exactly that, you know, like like he was out for an

1550
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:45.640
injury. You know. It's it's
like sports sky stuff and he came back

1551
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:46.399
and like everybody's saying, like,
oh, you know, maybe he's going

1552
01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:49.520
to retire after this year or whatever. So to see them go all the

1553
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:56.039
way in those circumstances, it was
it was really exciting. You guys should

1554
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:01.119
he's getting into losing his fast twitch
muscles up every day. Yep, you

1555
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:05.520
guys should play Toto. I'm about
to start hearing the storm. I'm excited

1556
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:08.479
about that. I'll be the old
man. I'll be the thirty one year

1557
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:11.399
old. I'll be the Diamondallas Page. He doesn't start till his thirties and

1558
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:15.000
then takes over. Yeah he did, you be the tampats. He started

1559
01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:16.840
training when he was thirty five.
Wow, Yeah, he's the manager for

1560
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:19.039
years. Yeah, so he's in
the business new people. But like he

1561
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:24.359
didn't like how long did he wrestle
after he started? Boy, his run

1562
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:28.079
is probably like ninety six to two
thousand and two. And like his run,

1563
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.560
the decks anything into into his forties. Yeah, yeah, see,

1564
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:34.199
it's never too late. Okay,
I'm going to give it a genuine try.

1565
01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:39.000
I'm looking forward to seeing what you
think. Yeah, well see I

1566
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:42.359
heard it's the right one to yes, give it a shot. Absolutely,

1567
01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:47.399
the like the most like the least
inscrutable, the kind of the friendliest and

1568
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:51.960
shortest matches. Yeah, that would
be the place to start. So all

1569
01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:56.720
right, Oh, let's uh get
out of this room for a minute,

1570
01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:30.920
stretch our legs, and come back
for some news. Sounds good, All

1571
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:33.640
right, let's get into a few
headlines here. There's not a whole lot

1572
01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:38.600
though, after kind of games calm, kind of test took the wind out

1573
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:42.920
everybody's sales, everyone's flying back.
Over the weekend, the game's industry collectively

1574
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:46.479
vomited a huge number of headlines out
in the space about thirty six hours.

1575
01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:50.520
No, not that many, actually
just gagged him right up, and not

1576
01:31:50.680 --> 01:31:56.000
like an E three sort of number. No, but since then, not

1577
01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:59.159
a whole lot has happened. Who
in this room and be excited if I

1578
01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:01.239
were to say, hey, there's
a new World of Warcraft expansion coming.

1579
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:09.319
Yeah, all right, all right, now moving on, They're raised in

1580
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:11.600
the level cap to one ten.
Yes, what it is? Right?

1581
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:15.479
I never thought i'd see the day
new classes or anything. Demon Hunter hunter

1582
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:20.239
a uh, yes, demon hunter
is the new class. Okay, only

1583
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:24.880
night elves and blood elves can be
a demon hunter. What do Yeah,

1584
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:28.119
of course, come on, you
know, no one, no one else

1585
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:31.159
can hunt demons. It sounds like
you will finally be able to get into

1586
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.119
the Emerald Dream, which is actually
kind of crazy to me because but I

1587
01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:38.800
remember people speculating about that in two
thousand and four when that game came out.

1588
01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:44.960
Yeah, Emerald Dream, everybody,
Yeah, yeah, that's the Emerald

1589
01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:47.920
Nightmare. That's that is good stuff. That the Emerald Dream is like the

1590
01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:56.119
weird like Earth Magic Stasis that Malfurian
storm Rage is dreaming in. You know

1591
01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:59.119
what I'm talking about? Anybody storm
Rage of course? Yeah? Remember that

1592
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:01.920
guy? Right, Yeah, I've
said mel Urian from Storm Raid. No,

1593
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:05.479
there's mal Urans from the World of
Warcraft fighting game. Yes, that's

1594
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:09.720
correct. Yeah, yeah, I
don't. It is kind of neat though,

1595
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:12.319
to think like, oh, people
were like because those there were teases

1596
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.479
of that back when this game first
shipped, and here we are, like

1597
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.920
there's so much lore for them to
or another way of looking at it is

1598
01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:21.439
they held it back for so long. Yeah, well I could be curious

1599
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:26.760
to see show straint. Yeah good
if this does it for them and gets

1600
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:29.439
people to come back and stay back, because it sounds like the numbers are

1601
01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:33.399
while while great for any other game, are low by Warcraft standard. It's

1602
01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:36.720
weird like this, this long list
of bullet points. And I should probably

1603
01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:41.920
say what the things called World of
Warcraft Legion. Okay, sounds like a

1604
01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:45.000
kind of a not especially dramatic name
for something when you think about the other

1605
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:50.279
names they had for their lords and
the Burning Crusade, Blank of Blank and

1606
01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:55.960
the Statue of Real, real grandiose, dramatic stuff, and then it's just

1607
01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.159
here's Legion. Also, like,
one of the big things I kept seeing

1608
01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:00.720
about this thing was, Hey,
they're bringing Illadin back, And I'm like,

1609
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:05.079
didn't you kill him in another expansion
already? Which I was pretty sure

1610
01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:08.680
I think that was the case.
Yeah, like like to the point where

1611
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:12.560
we're already recycling major villains out of
previous expansions, Like I'm back. He's

1612
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:15.760
double pissed. Yeah, I'm gonna
have to be a level one hundred and

1613
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:16.720
ten to beat him this time.
Yep, that's how mad he is.

1614
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.119
But yeah, I'm sure the Blizzard
can't be stoked that, you know,

1615
01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:24.000
with this long list of new things
they're adding to the game. The headline

1616
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:26.880
out there is just, hey,
they've got half the subscribers they did last

1617
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.479
time they put out an expansion.
Yeah, which is still five or six

1618
01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:32.880
million. It's like five and a
half million I think right now. Which

1619
01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:35.960
yeah, which for like like most
MMOs can't get away with a monthly fee

1620
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:40.319
period, right, yeah, so
that's still pretty good. But I don't

1621
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:43.000
know, I mean, I think
that ten million takes into account the full

1622
01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:45.199
bump of people who just like bought
the expansion and came back to play it,

1623
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:49.199
right probably and then stopped playing again
when they had again. Seen were

1624
01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:54.039
talking to Matt Rory, it sounded
like the last expansion was not particularly content

1625
01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:57.039
rich or the well received. I
don't know, it sound like that he

1626
01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.800
kind of people can chewed through it
and got out again. But the Warlords

1627
01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:02.039
one, Yes, it was like
about a year ago. Yeah, yeah,

1628
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:06.960
a little over I think, but
uh yeah, Rory made it sound

1629
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.920
like this is the first the first
expansion since they kind of made their comments

1630
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:13.680
about how they wanted to start pumping
them out on a more regular basis.

1631
01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:17.760
Yeah, but that hasn't quite borne
out because they're still taken a while to

1632
01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:21.520
get them out there because of the
bizzard. But yes, that is happening.

1633
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:26.439
I will probably get it check it
out and really get the fuck back.

1634
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:29.359
Have you? Have you played every
expansion they've released? Yes? Really

1635
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:30.479
I didn't. I did not know
you were that big a while guy,

1636
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:34.600
No I'm not. I'm really not. You're you're one of those one of

1637
01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:40.039
those the interloping five million that come. Yeah. Meanwhile, I was looking

1638
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:45.359
at getting back into Anarchy Online.
Yeah, yeah, what about ABV I

1639
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:46.720
couldn't. I wouldn't stop you.
Hell, hell I was. I was

1640
01:35:46.760 --> 01:35:50.800
talking to somebody about Dark Age of
Camel out over the weekend. Uh,

1641
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:55.359
that game sounded pretty cool. Get
into Age of Conan. The combat was

1642
01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:59.079
crazy in that game. Yeah,
they had boobs in that game. You

1643
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.520
could come at the boobs. Those
those are pretty cool too. I'm trying

1644
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:05.960
to find the date for the you
know, some kind of time frame here,

1645
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:13.520
you know, next year sometime.
Let's say there's typically fifty launch.

1646
01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:17.840
I want to say, is the
price and you can get vanilla well or

1647
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:21.960
just you know something without any of
the expansions for free now up to certain

1648
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:28.079
levels level twenty or something like that. Okay, yes, yeah, and

1649
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.439
then even like the early expansions,
do you have to buy those? Bern?

1650
01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:33.840
Do you have to buy them?
But I wonder if you can get

1651
01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:36.680
them cheaper at this point, yeah, I think you just add them digitally

1652
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:40.279
to your account and it's not a
big deal. Yeah, okay, I

1653
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:44.039
would hope they discount them because just
like just by the nature of moving the

1654
01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:46.399
player base onto later content with each
new expansion, like there's just not going

1655
01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:50.279
to be that much for you to
do by yourself, like a battle chest,

1656
01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:55.439
you know, the expansions they included, they would put those out there

1657
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:59.920
a lot, So that was that
was kind of one of the last link

1658
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:03.560
or ring big pieces of news coming
out of Games Calm. Didn't they have

1659
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:09.039
a whole convention just for that though, that Blizzy thing? Yeah? Okay,

1660
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.520
what else did they do with that? Like costplay contests? Oh yeah,

1661
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.479
I mean, have you been to
a BlizzCon. No, they'll play

1662
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.399
Overwatch Okay, yes, Overwatch will
be there. I'm sure it's just a

1663
01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:20.640
Blizzcon's fun. I mean, if
you're in the Blizzard games like, it's

1664
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:24.720
just kind of a giant celebration of
all things Blizzard, you know whatever,

1665
01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:28.680
full freak out and play Hearthstone okay, because they're lunatics. Yeah, there's

1666
01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:30.159
tons of costplay, like they do
a lot of panels actually like they have

1667
01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:33.960
pretty good panels at blizz Con about
you know, just naturally about Blizzard stuff.

1668
01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:39.960
But but they kind of save they're
big game news for Yes, they

1669
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.560
do a lot of that. Rory
actually pointed out that, you know,

1670
01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.640
the Warcraft movie is still happening,
and it's like actually getting close. It's

1671
01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:47.600
getting trailers and stuff. Yeah,
I don't think that they haven't put out

1672
01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.800
a full, actual public trailer yet. They've shown it at events and stuff.

1673
01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:54.960
Yeah, there's been some like leaked
shitty camp stuff. But you know,

1674
01:37:55.039 --> 01:37:57.439
he pointed out, this expansion might
be timed with that thing in some

1675
01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:00.600
way. It's so crazy to me
that that movie is like move it's still

1676
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:01.680
happening. I mean, it's done, like it they shot it a while

1677
01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:04.159
ago. It's almost finished. As
far as I know, did all CG

1678
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.640
and stuff. I believe there is
a lot of CG and a lot of

1679
01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:13.600
Yes, Okay, it's gonna be
Jim Henson's studio made all of the all

1680
01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:17.640
of the works. Ye used all
the stuff from a Labyrinth. It's just

1681
01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:21.600
that over and over again, so
so much. Don't see a brother man.

1682
01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:25.880
That would be great? Would that
would be good? I'm working on

1683
01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:30.840
my Labyrinth. M mmo, god, that would be great. Yes,

1684
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.600
no, of course there's a Labyrinth
game for the Combat of sixty four.

1685
01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:39.520
That's fucking awesome. It's so fucking
good. Really. Yeah, it's like

1686
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:43.920
a LucasArts adventure games. Oh wow, like like that that visual style.

1687
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:45.880
I want. I want to see
sixty C C sixty four. David Bowie?

1688
01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:48.760
Should I see Labyrinth? You get
it? It's good and this like

1689
01:38:49.159 --> 01:38:51.840
good to watch now. I don't
know. I don't know how I wouldn't

1690
01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:55.319
hold out. I like David Bowie, I like jimfer Connolly, and I

1691
01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:57.600
could I can deal with it.
I don't know this. This sounds a

1692
01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:00.560
lot like the time that I attempted
to watch Goonies for first time at the

1693
01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:02.479
age of twenty one. Yeah,
and like kind of couldn't do it.

1694
01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:08.199
Yeah, I don't know. I
don't I couldn't say about Labyrinth though,

1695
01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:10.359
I don't know how that would come
over there, how that would go over

1696
01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:13.800
That might not work out. Okay. Describe yourself a couple of forties and

1697
01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.439
should probably be fine. Okay that
thinks the most time, Yes, smooths

1698
01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:21.479
out doubt. Yeah, most movie
watching experiences. Should we talk about the

1699
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:25.720
Time Magazine cover. I don't know, there's much to say. There was

1700
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:30.039
definitely very much in the moment,
like like at the time that was that

1701
01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.359
was a very hot day, yes, and the hottest of takes flying of

1702
01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:39.439
to and fro. But man,
that covers terrible. Yeah, awesome,

1703
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:43.800
awesome that he's on the cover of
Time magazine. So unfortunate. I thought

1704
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:47.279
it was awesome industry and for kind
of how little he gave a fuck Yeah,

1705
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:49.439
like he was into it, right, yeah, he said they loved

1706
01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:51.640
it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like game Spot talked to him.

1707
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:56.399
I think at games Come, I
believe that sounds. I think they're in

1708
01:39:56.479 --> 01:40:00.479
Germany when they talk to him.
But they asked him, uh, you

1709
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:01.079
know, they asked him how he
felt about it, and he said,

1710
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:03.159
I don't get too caught up in
it much. I think it's fun.

1711
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:08.720
I love the covert. Like I
don't know, I just think it's one

1712
01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:13.840
of those things that it just ends
up. You know, VR is going

1713
01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:18.760
to have such a rough time like
getting over the consumer grade hump of like

1714
01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:24.079
exposing people to this thing, getting
them to understand why it's cool and all

1715
01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:28.920
this other stuff, and a cover
like that, regardless of the article,

1716
01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:30.960
I mean, you know, the
article is like pretty neutral. You know,

1717
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:31.840
it's got some stuff in it where
you're like, I roll in your

1718
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:34.600
eyes and just like the some of
that stuff. So if you've seen the

1719
01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:38.119
full thing, because like the cover
story in the magazine is different than what

1720
01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:40.600
was on the website, and I
want to I want to actually read that

1721
01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:45.199
it is different the cover story.
But you know, like the image problem

1722
01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:49.520
of VR is tough. Uh,
and you look at this cover and you're

1723
01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:54.359
like this, this doesn't help that. If anything, it starts to reinforce

1724
01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:57.319
that, like you're gonna look crazy
on this stuff, Like I don't you

1725
01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:00.159
know everyone always says like everyone looks
crazy when they're wearing this VR. They're

1726
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:03.800
like, no, no, actually, uh, if you find that picture

1727
01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:08.800
of me going around, you can
look pretty fucking rad wearing a glowing fucking

1728
01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.560
VR helmet. Yeah, but you
also have a glowing gun in your hands.

1729
01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:14.000
Did that help? That does help? No? But I think that

1730
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:15.800
you know that like that's that.
I just don't think that's true that everyone

1731
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.239
looks crazy in VR. I mean, if you don't know anything about VR

1732
01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:25.840
and you see it, you're gonna
go what. But I don't agree that

1733
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:29.680
everyone looks completely stupid in VR.
I would say that most of them do.

1734
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:31.880
However, like it still looks goofy
to me, it still looks awkward

1735
01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:34.920
large extent, there's like weird social
awkwardness. I guess so. But I

1736
01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:38.880
mean it's not a it's not an
inherently social activity though, it's not like

1737
01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:42.079
you're generally by large you're not gonna
be doing it talking about the thing that

1738
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:45.640
people are going to be in the
home doing usually buy themselves alone in a

1739
01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:46.840
room. You're not gonna be doing
this on the bus or anything, you

1740
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:49.720
know. Yeah, I mean,
here's gear VR will enable that you can't.

1741
01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:53.079
But I mean, just like you
know, people could play you know,

1742
01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:55.920
real gyro heavy three DS games and
stuff on the bus whatever. You

1743
01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:58.479
don't see people flail on their three
DS is around, you know, people

1744
01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:01.640
just generally don't do that. There's
no fucking way I would put on a

1745
01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:04.640
gear VR on like the subway.
No, yeah, you can. You

1746
01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:10.319
imagine being on the subway with something
depriving you of your senses. You robbed

1747
01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:13.800
immediately, Like how some people fall
asleep on the train. I guess it

1748
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.479
happens. Probably you could probably wake
up and defend yourself faster than you could

1749
01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:19.800
get out of VR and to defend
yourself. Yeah, you're probably right,

1750
01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:24.760
but yeah, so I mean that
that's my thing with it. I look

1751
01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.760
at it and just go like,
man, like it just puts like this

1752
01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:32.199
campaign that has to start, this
this process of exposing VR to more and

1753
01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:35.359
more people and getting them to understand
that it's real and that it and that

1754
01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:39.960
it is full of potential and all
this other stuff. Like you look at

1755
01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:43.199
that cover and you're like, fuck, yep, that's that's it. Does

1756
01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:46.880
it does kind of perpetuate those stereotypes
that have lingered since the nineties about VR.

1757
01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:49.560
Absolutely, I think so yeah,
Like I was, it's not like

1758
01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:54.880
they were They weren't drawing fucking lawnmower
man shit behind him, but like fake

1759
01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:57.960
beach from you know, like I
said, it's just like was he trapped

1760
01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:01.039
on the fucking island from neuromancer or
thing? Like what the fuck? Uh?

1761
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:04.960
It just yeah, like that stuff
is disappointing. On the other hand,

1762
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:09.399
like I would argue that VR is
so aw like so far off for

1763
01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:13.600
the mainstream consumer that like by the
time it comes around, like this is

1764
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:15.279
going to be long in the rear
and then the rear view mirror. You

1765
01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:18.319
know, I suppose yeah, like
this is just a minor bump that will

1766
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.199
be forgotten. Yeah, Like you
know, think about the barrier to entry

1767
01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:24.880
for these first round of headsets.
You know, it's like it's not only

1768
01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:28.640
the three or four hundred dollars for
the item, Like what is the PC

1769
01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:30.199
that you need to run all that
stuff? At least a grand right?

1770
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:33.600
But you know, like yes,
but like and and that, and also

1771
01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:39.520
like the console that has a VR
headset before it within a year's time,

1772
01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:42.880
Morpheus is a slightly different conversation.
You know. That's that's something that is

1773
01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.920
definitely aimed at a mass market because
it's a it's a fucking video game console

1774
01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:47.920
like that one should be a lot
more plug and play. Like with the

1775
01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:51.760
Vibe and the Rift, I'm still
wondering, like and you know, they're

1776
01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.279
development kits out there, so people
kind of know, but like what is

1777
01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:57.800
the setup involved? You know,
like how difficult is it going to be

1778
01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:00.960
for the average consumer who doesn't mess
with PC's much right to get all the

1779
01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:03.079
stuff work? And that's what you
know, you had Microsoft out there around

1780
01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:08.159
the Windows ten stuff or around the
that lost that pree three Conference for Oculus

1781
01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:11.199
Contuning. We're supporting the oculus directly
and blah blah, you know, to

1782
01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:13.800
try to make it easier for people
to hook that ship a right, It

1783
01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:15.920
just it seems like it's ways off. I guess what I'm saying is that

1784
01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:20.279
the people who are likely to buy
in the VR for the most part anytime

1785
01:44:20.319 --> 01:44:24.359
soon are also the people who are
savvy enough not to let that cover you

1786
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:28.399
totally right, affect anything they think
about this stuff. But it's it's one

1787
01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:30.199
of those things where it's like,
I, you know, I saw this

1788
01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.720
stuff kind of happened, but last
time, you know, and saw like

1789
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:34.840
VR, you know, and the
tech wasn't there, you know, so

1790
01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:39.319
it was easy to make fun of. But like every single time you saw

1791
01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:43.319
VR anywhere, it was like,
was it like a like like Jared Laniar

1792
01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:46.680
or whatever fucking wearing this stuff?
And then it was just all the imagery,

1793
01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:53.159
all the techno hippie fucking bullshit,
New Ag fucking well dot Com era

1794
01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:59.720
fucking trash, just like that fucking
Berkeley just all that shit, just admit

1795
01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:04.359
it. Hate Berkeley fucking funneled into
just all that fucking early nineties techno fucking

1796
01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:11.840
new age hippy fucking crystal raver bullshit
fucking funneled through it and it fucking destroyed.

1797
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:15.680
Any chance did that stuff happen?
And so like, you know,

1798
01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:18.800
like it's all funny gage like,
yeah, exactly in today's world, until

1799
01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:21.600
the product will be strong enough to
stand on its own at some point,

1800
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:27.520
and that won't be a problem.
But I watched this fucking shit get destroyed

1801
01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:31.600
last time by the mainstream media,
by the way they were covering it,

1802
01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:34.079
by the people they were approaching,
by the things that came out of those

1803
01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:40.880
people's mouths, and the fucking garbage. Fucking like, yes, Kennedy R.

1804
01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:44.760
Changed the world. Yes, absolutely
will it probably in some ways that

1805
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:46.720
you might not expect. But you
go back to some of that stuff from

1806
01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:51.840
then, from the nineties, Man, holy shit, here's the unlikely ray

1807
01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:55.760
of hope for you. Back then
it was all about like you know,

1808
01:45:55.920 --> 01:46:00.920
transcending your humanity and achieving another plane
or whatever. And now it's about cold

1809
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:06.159
hard corporate profit fucking a So if
I can count on someone to present something

1810
01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:09.439
in a way that people might actually
want, so you know, that can't

1811
01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:12.840
be stopped a bunch of fucking bullshit
corporations that have a lot of stock prices

1812
01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:15.439
riding on that if you want,
if you want an assurance that they're going

1813
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:17.680
to get behind this thing and make
it and ram it down. He placed

1814
01:46:17.720 --> 01:46:21.079
throats until it's accepted. There there
you go. Look at the Facebook logo

1815
01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:26.800
for a while. Yep, when
does Alphabet Incorporated get involved in this hot

1816
01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:31.239
new product that's the cardboard many are? Yeah, that's the answer. Uh

1817
01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:34.800
yeah, if if nothing else than
just the companies and the money that are

1818
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:39.880
behind the stuff this time, Like
they're not They're not gonna you know,

1819
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:42.560
it's not gonna go gently. Yeah, but make no mistake, AAR is

1820
01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:45.079
the thing long term, you think, totally, because you could black out

1821
01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:49.640
AAR glasses to do VR if you
want it to. So that seems so

1822
01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:58.000
far off though, Nah, Nasa
na maybe right, HOLLI len seems super

1823
01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.239
fucking early. I mean hollow lens. Yeah, like that that thing seemed

1824
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:02.840
super early. But that that stuff
we'll all get there. Yeah, I

1825
01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:05.000
don't know. I just think about
the images you get on a cell phone

1826
01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:09.439
screen versus what you can do with
that weird overlay stuff. You know,

1827
01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:12.399
like there's a pretty big gap there. Anyway, It's all pie in the

1828
01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:16.920
sky stuff VR probably be all right, goofy as magazine cover or no,

1829
01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:23.920
yeah, print magazine. I mean, yeah. How many people are subscribing

1830
01:47:23.960 --> 01:47:26.840
to Time right now? Yeah,
I have no idea. At most you'd

1831
01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:30.119
see it passing it in the grocery
store and no one's gonna remember thinking about

1832
01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:33.640
it. I've been thinking about it, of course. You have about getting

1833
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:38.000
a subscription to Time early and watched
network television. I know, I get

1834
01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:41.319
up early and watch the news every
day. Are you sixty five? Yes,

1835
01:47:42.760 --> 01:47:46.840
that's fun over here, going to
bed early, getting sleep, that's

1836
01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:49.720
good stuff. I'm starting to learn
that. What kind of early are we

1837
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:58.000
talking lately? Yeah, like pine
thirty. Damn, yeah, I'm on

1838
01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:00.079
like ten, ten thirty. Yeah, it's pretty nice getting there. I've

1839
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.079
I've definitely been like ten to eleven
last night. It was a little last

1840
01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:05.279
night, was a little late last
night, like twelve thirty. It's kind

1841
01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:10.319
of nice. But yeah, yeah, like I I'm fully moving into Like

1842
01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:14.000
it's it's like morning paper status with
everything but the paper. You know,

1843
01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:17.000
there is no newspaper, but it's
the same process. Oh, I don't

1844
01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:20.159
wake up like I I wake up
like a fucking mess. The same way

1845
01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:24.039
if I had stayed until three or
four in the morning. So it's like,

1846
01:48:24.119 --> 01:48:26.920
I'm not I'm not reaping any benefits
from this early sleep. You're just

1847
01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:30.880
getting more sleep. Yeah, okay, yeah, which is probably theoretically better,

1848
01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:32.520
but yeah, I'm still yeah,
no, man, whatever, whatever

1849
01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:40.760
it works for you. Uh,
Mafia three is being made. I announced

1850
01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.359
it. Can we go back and
talk about the World of Warcraft expansion somemore

1851
01:48:43.640 --> 01:48:45.640
or this sounds kind of interesting?
And I say that as somebody who was

1852
01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:48.800
pretty disappointed with Mafia two. Yeah, to not think it was an amazing

1853
01:48:48.840 --> 01:48:51.680
game. Did you guys play that? Yep? What do you think?

1854
01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:55.359
I think the first one. I
had not played Mafia one. Yeah,

1855
01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:58.920
I didn't either, But Mafia one
is like very well, remember it was

1856
01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:00.880
doing a lot of things that world
games weren't it then. Like Mafia one

1857
01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:03.600
was a game that were like it
was the game that enforced like fucking traffic

1858
01:49:03.680 --> 01:49:05.239
laws, right, I mean,
it was like the game that was like

1859
01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:09.159
if you were speeding, then if
you ran a red light. You know,

1860
01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:12.119
it's like the stuff where it's the
stuff they don't put into open world

1861
01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:15.520
games now because they because Mafia happened. But that was pretty early on,

1862
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:17.760
right, like what what are we
talking like? Oh, godf Vice City

1863
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:20.159
was probably out by then. Yeah, it was like kind of early two

1864
01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:24.000
thousands, it was. It was
an early open world game, yeah for

1865
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:27.439
sure, and uh, you know, so they were still learning about stuff

1866
01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:29.880
like that and that was you know, at the time, it was super

1867
01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:31.800
interesting. Like at the time Mafia
was. It was a very interesting game,

1868
01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:33.600
like I seem to I think it
was right before I got here,

1869
01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.159
But I think you guys gave Mafia
like PC game of the year, right,

1870
01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:40.640
probably like people the people who liked
Mafia really Maia, Yes, I

1871
01:49:40.680 --> 01:49:45.119
remember Greg being a big Mafia fan. You're like a man, Wow,

1872
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:48.479
really did not like Mafia because of
those restrictions. It was. It was

1873
01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:51.119
the stuff where it was like,
oh, you've made a more realistic world

1874
01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:57.960
and that's super interesting, but it
didn't make for a fun game for me.

1875
01:49:59.119 --> 01:50:00.840
Uh yeah, it was. Yeah. From what I remember, I

1876
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:03.720
feel like they'd dumbed down a lot
with two because I don't remember any kind

1877
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:08.319
of like harsh restrictions or you know, I don't think they had that like

1878
01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:11.640
for me. I just remember like
there was this weird paucity of like content

1879
01:50:11.800 --> 01:50:14.880
of like like a justification for the
open world. In Mafia two, it

1880
01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:16.399
was like they built this big city
and then it was just like a point.

1881
01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:19.680
It was nothing to do. It
was nothing but story mission after story

1882
01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:23.920
mission with almost nothing, but like
you could collect Playboy magazines and it was

1883
01:50:23.960 --> 01:50:26.840
like one of those things where it's
like everyone complained about how side stuff in

1884
01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:30.039
open world games was shitty and how
you know, there was a lot of

1885
01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:31.800
it was poorly done, but like
the answer wasn't take it all out either,

1886
01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:34.920
as it turned out, didn't it
go through like a few decades.

1887
01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:39.159
I feel like when fifties, sixties, seventies, like I went to jail

1888
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:42.680
and came back and had to get
revenge. I think into Driver three or

1889
01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:45.600
Driver three or Parallel Lines. Oh, I seem I think this. I

1890
01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:48.159
think you went to jail for like
eight or nine years, I think Mafia

1891
01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:50.479
two and came back and it was
like, oh, it's like it's the

1892
01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:54.920
sixties. I feel like I feel
like I remember it being feeling very much

1893
01:50:55.159 --> 01:50:58.800
Godfather inspired in that it covered those
decades. Yeah, like kind of from

1894
01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:02.000
the forties to the sixties or whatever
it did. Yeah, this game's got

1895
01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:05.159
an interesting setting. It's nineteen sixty
eight in New Orleans. Okay, that

1896
01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:10.199
sounds really cool. Yeah. Uh
this uh I read this uh this uh

1897
01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:14.199
impressions piece from Kataku where they actually
saw like thirty minutes of the game at

1898
01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:16.720
Games Calm, and then they point
out like, you know, like sixty

1899
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:20.039
eight is like arguably, you know, it's one of the most tumultuous years

1900
01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:24.439
in the history of the United States. Like that alone is a really cool

1901
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.800
setting for something like this, Like
New Orleans just adds an even more kind

1902
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.600
of cultural flavor. On top of
that, it sounds like they are going

1903
01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:33.720
much more like quote unquote open world
with this, in the sense that there

1904
01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:39.840
will be a lot of side stuff
to do. Looking over this, uh

1905
01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:42.119
this list of what was in this
demo, like it sounds like you will

1906
01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:45.159
be taking over territories, and I
wonder how accurate it'll be with the open

1907
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:47.439
world, like because you know,
some of them have that slavish devotion,

1908
01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:50.640
like that getaway type stuff. Yeah, I'd love to see a super accurate

1909
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:55.239
New Orleans. I remember the what
was this what was the city in two

1910
01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:58.079
and Mafia too, Yeah, it
was it like it was just like a

1911
01:51:58.199 --> 01:52:01.079
Jersey ficual city or was it.
Want I say it was New York.

1912
01:52:01.359 --> 01:52:03.960
Huh, wasn't it? I remember
it being well put to fire bay,

1913
01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:06.960
Okay, yeah, fictional, Yeah, I guess so. But I still

1914
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:10.840
remember it feeling like well put together, like it was a nice It was

1915
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:13.680
a nice world in which you did
kind of nothing, you know. Yeah.

1916
01:52:14.119 --> 01:52:15.920
So if they're if they're gonna populate
it with a little more stuff,

1917
01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:20.720
I'm okay with that. Uh,
can we get like a Nolan North talking

1918
01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:25.760
to Nolan North talking to North?
Escalate that one step? Why don't you

1919
01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:28.840
just make the main character voiced by
Nolan North and then you've got that covered

1920
01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:30.600
like the whole game through, you
know, Yeah, make everybody voice by

1921
01:52:30.680 --> 01:52:36.560
Nolan North. Right, he's got
range. Uh, let's see, I'm

1922
01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:40.319
gonna read. I'm just gonna read
a quote from this right up. Protectonist

1923
01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:44.079
Lincoln Clay grew up orphaned, is
just back from combat in Vietnam and had

1924
01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:47.199
found a sense of family and belonging
in the Black Mob before the Italian Mob

1925
01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:51.960
double crossed and murdered them all.
M He is extremely angry about all of

1926
01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:55.800
this and is on a revenge quest. So like, you're not actually rising

1927
01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:59.199
through the ranks of the Italian Mob, which is like the Godfather slash Goodfellas,

1928
01:52:59.279 --> 01:53:01.840
like cliche of all cliches and the
genre like Instead, it's it's like

1929
01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:04.920
you're actually trying to take him down. So but it sounds like you you'd

1930
01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:09.800
be able to team up with the
protagonist from Mafia. Yes, Veto from

1931
01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:12.840
Mafia two is one of the guys
you can actually our wiki page has a

1932
01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:15.680
really good like sentence on it that
makes this sound like a totally different game.

1933
01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:20.000
I'll read it to you now.
After being betrayed and murdered by the

1934
01:53:20.079 --> 01:53:25.000
Italian Mafia, Clay seeks revenge against
everyone who has wronged him and his family.

1935
01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:31.159
Mafia goes up. So that's that
sounds pretty good. Yeah, yeah,

1936
01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:35.880
I would. I would probably rather
play that game. This sounds promising

1937
01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:38.680
to me. I mean, the
setting sounds cool, and you know,

1938
01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:44.199
it sounds like they're addressing my biggest
complaint with Mafia two. So yeah,

1939
01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:46.000
yeah, but yes, you're absolutely
right. I guess. Like my my

1940
01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:51.199
thing is like my need for open
world games has changed dramatically, and and

1941
01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:56.920
like open world games set in urban
environments, uh doubly, So you know,

1942
01:53:57.000 --> 01:53:59.800
it's like the stakes for that are
super higher the bar for that is

1943
01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:03.239
sure from stuff like g GA five, you know, especially crime story is

1944
01:54:03.279 --> 01:54:06.640
SATs Row isn't. Yeah, And
also I mean this seems sounds like an

1945
01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:11.600
interesting flip on the Mafia tails,
but also like I don't know, like

1946
01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:15.359
some people still I think would say
that it's evergreen, but I feel like

1947
01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:19.239
the Mafia stuff generally U is way
out of style. I feel like it

1948
01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:21.680
comes and goes, you know,
like it was way back in vogue with

1949
01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:25.319
the Sopranos, back like ten fifteen
years ago, and then it kind of

1950
01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:28.239
went away for a while, and
it's not like super huge right now.

1951
01:54:28.479 --> 01:54:31.560
Yeah, would Walk Empire maybe kinda
that's sort of similar. That's sort of

1952
01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:35.520
what this is going for in a
way. It's like anyway, it's not.

1953
01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:39.199
Yeah, it's it's hard to say, I don't know, uh yeah,

1954
01:54:39.319 --> 01:54:42.119
like you know, to even even
from a mechanical aspect, like this

1955
01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:44.359
is a game where you will have
to drive a lot because it's not like

1956
01:54:44.439 --> 01:54:46.520
you can fly or something, you
know, and you oh, man,

1957
01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:50.520
if you're a murdered me, if
you are a Mafia ghost, then yeah,

1958
01:54:53.680 --> 01:54:56.399
yeah, it's not even it's not
even like the open world urban games

1959
01:54:56.439 --> 01:55:00.680
where they give you crazy superpowers or
play with the traversal and some interesting way.

1960
01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:01.960
Yeah, so you know, like
they can hang their hat on story.

1961
01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:04.279
This is a new studio. Also, this is out to Hanger thirteen.

1962
01:55:04.399 --> 01:55:09.279
Jesus, I completely missed that detail. This is uh, this is

1963
01:55:09.439 --> 01:55:14.319
the studio that Rod Ferguson went to
and then left at two K. So

1964
01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:17.119
they're just up up the three away
from us making this game. Wow.

1965
01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:23.279
Yeah, interesting. I don't know. Okay, we will see. So

1966
01:55:23.399 --> 01:55:26.840
it's like they're pretty far along with
it and it'll be out next year sometime.

1967
01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:30.920
Yeah, so there you go.
Uh. And then lastly, the

1968
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:33.279
only other story I've got is an
update on that Mighty Number nine delay story.

1969
01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:38.640
Hey guess what, it's actually delayed
really really we gave them the benefit

1970
01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:42.920
of the doubt. Yeah, but
sure enough they're pushing it too next year,

1971
01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:46.800
all versions, all versions, all
versions Halo Wars two. Man,

1972
01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:50.640
you guys play that at all?
Mighty number nine. There was the like

1973
01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:55.399
the three oh oh they were showing
it. No, I saw it.

1974
01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:57.399
I looked at it for a while. I didn't I didn't check it.

1975
01:55:57.479 --> 01:56:00.640
Did you get your hands on it? No? Yeah, I don't know.

1976
01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:04.199
I think they've they've put some demos
out for backers, right, there

1977
01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:08.600
was like some kind of alpha.
Yeah, I feel like backers have sampled

1978
01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:15.159
that thing. At least they sighted
bugs and issues with a direct effect on

1979
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:17.079
the enjoyment of the game. Right, there's a reason to push it to

1980
01:56:17.239 --> 01:56:25.560
Q one of next year. But
it's yeah, I don't know. I

1981
01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:29.079
thought it was about time. Yeah, it feels like it's been a while,

1982
01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:31.680
and especially with the red Ash stuff
crashing and burning, but then kind

1983
01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:35.960
of not like it's kind of not
not a great look for them, is

1984
01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:39.640
red Ash like the Mega Man Legends? Yea, yeah, yeah, so

1985
01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:43.960
so that Chinese company Fuse came in
and yeah, actually ended up funding it

1986
01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:46.279
after the kickstarter was well on its
way to failure. There was a like

1987
01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:49.920
a technical alpha that was released.
Yes, for that that I checked out.

1988
01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:53.600
Oh did you try that thing?
Yeah, and you're just in a

1989
01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:56.880
hallway. You get to play really
Yeah, you walk around the hallway,

1990
01:56:56.960 --> 01:57:00.319
you can maybe interact with one or
two people, and yeah, and check

1991
01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.079
that thing out. But I saw
people saying like this was very clearly slapped

1992
01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:05.000
together when it became clear that they
were going to not make their goal.

1993
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:09.640
And there's like a web Base one
Unity stuff. Yeah, you can kick

1994
01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:13.640
a can just like all right,
yeah, man legends. So yeah,

1995
01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:17.279
it's kind of I'm in kind of
rough dodgy times over there. For comceps,

1996
01:57:18.199 --> 01:57:21.119
well, they just come up with
the concepts and somebody spills the games,

1997
01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:24.920
so they're fair. Whatever they're onto. They're like three games down the

1998
01:57:25.039 --> 01:57:27.560
road at this point. They've got
an old white board full of comceps.

1999
01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:33.039
They've got kickstarters of concepts to launch
for fucking months. They'll be fine.

2000
01:57:33.199 --> 01:57:38.199
Yeah, yeah, we will see. I guess, uh is that all

2001
01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:41.840
your news? That is all the
news that Doctor Dre album came out?

2002
01:57:42.039 --> 01:57:44.279
Yeah, I got that. I
had an email about that. Yeah,

2003
01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:47.399
I was trying to wait. Okay, but you know like emails, whoa,

2004
01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:51.960
whoa. I actually saved the Dre
email for the end. Actually there

2005
01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:56.159
were quite a few of them,
but Wade from Hamilton, Ontario is the

2006
01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:59.359
one I pulled. What do you
think of Doctor Dre's new Compton? Didn't

2007
01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:02.920
we deserved talks? What? No, it's who cares. The important thing

2008
01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:09.239
is that King Mez, one of
the rappers that contributed heavily to this project,

2009
01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:13.279
straight up references the x Xbox three
sixty Red Ring of Death no ship

2010
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:15.199
on this album? Is he from
North Carolina? Yes, yes, I

2011
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:17.800
thought, okay, yes, I
thought I had seen that. And it's

2012
01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:21.960
just like this crazy thing, like
you know, that's you know, there's

2013
01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.560
it's been a long time since Doctor
dre put an album out, and you

2014
01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:29.279
have like a thing in mind about
like the subject matter that might go into

2015
01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:31.680
that thing. Sure, and like, at no point are you like,

2016
01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:34.720
yeah, man, the Red Ring
of Death? Is it just like one

2017
01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:39.079
throwaway line. It's it's it's one
line, like you know, in reference

2018
01:58:39.159 --> 01:58:42.159
to kind of something larger a little
bit. But I think, you know,

2019
01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.439
I went back and forth on a
lot, but the more I listen,

2020
01:58:45.079 --> 01:58:48.560
it's well pulled off. Uh and
uh. According to Twitter, king

2021
01:58:48.640 --> 01:58:53.159
mez Is is anxiously awaiting the release
of Metal Cares. Okay, it's good

2022
01:58:53.199 --> 01:58:55.960
to know. So it goes a
little deeper than that. I suppose its

2023
01:58:55.960 --> 01:58:59.399
been a long time since since Biggie
invoked the sixteen bit era. True,

2024
01:58:59.560 --> 01:59:02.760
so true, it was about time. What do you think of the album?

2025
01:59:03.439 --> 01:59:06.000
I read? I read pretty I
like it a lot, pretty positive

2026
01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:10.279
things about it, and the question
of just like don't we deserve detox is

2027
01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:12.760
like insane because this is what is
that? That's that is that the album

2028
01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:15.840
he made the announced name of an
album that you know that was gonna be

2029
01:59:16.000 --> 01:59:19.359
next, the next album from Doctor
Dre. It was his like Chinese democracy

2030
01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:23.319
that he talked about for years and
years and years, but instead this is

2031
01:59:23.399 --> 01:59:26.720
the thing that got put out.
And you know, you're always assumed that

2032
01:59:26.920 --> 01:59:30.960
like music was constantly being worked on
and thrown aside, and as it turns

2033
01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:31.720
out, like there was a quote
from him saying like, yeah, it

2034
01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:34.439
just wasn't good, so we didn't
put it out. Okay, So this

2035
01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:36.960
is absolutely not just that with a
different name on it. Right. So

2036
01:59:38.239 --> 01:59:41.000
there were a couple of singles that
came out over the years that you know,

2037
01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:45.039
that were supposed to be and I
think this may have been what led

2038
01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:48.159
to that decision. But like those
singles came out and fucking no one cared

2039
01:59:48.720 --> 01:59:54.800
that one it was I Need a
Doctor. A couple of reference tracks leaked

2040
01:59:55.359 --> 02:00:00.319
with like TI pretending to be Doctor
Dre, which is super fascinating, and

2041
02:00:00.760 --> 02:00:04.359
uh yeah, they just they weren't
great, Like people were not interested in

2042
02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:09.039
in that. Uh, And so
I think, you know, it ends

2043
02:00:09.079 --> 02:00:12.239
up being an interesting album because you
have like this guy who has been producing

2044
02:00:12.359 --> 02:00:16.159
rap albums for a really long time
is over fifty now, and like,

2045
02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:19.399
you know, like what are you
gonna get like another fucking like West Coast

2046
02:00:19.479 --> 02:00:23.439
party record about how much weed he's
smoking And you know, it's like it

2047
02:00:23.560 --> 02:00:26.920
just didn't make sense at some point, So what if you missed that stuff?

2048
02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.399
Though? I think there's there's plenty
people out there that are and there

2049
02:00:30.399 --> 02:00:32.520
are guests guest versus on this album. They were contributing that. But like

2050
02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:38.199
Doctor Dre himself, like his presence
on the album is he's a billionaire now

2051
02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:41.960
is very different. Yeah, you
know Jimmy Iveen talks on this album,

2052
02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:45.960
Yeah weird, it's weird. Yeah, but I think it's a it's you

2053
02:00:46.039 --> 02:00:49.840
know, it is a hell of
an album, and it's a it's a

2054
02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:55.199
fascinating look at like how do you
make a relevant hip hop album when you

2055
02:00:55.279 --> 02:00:59.800
are over fifty and have sold this
company and or a or an Apple executive

2056
02:01:00.119 --> 02:01:01.279
on the board. Yeah, you're
you know, like like all the sorts

2057
02:01:01.319 --> 02:01:06.319
of things that like are making him
so far removed from uh even the subject

2058
02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:10.840
subject matter of his last release,
let alone the stuff from the eighties and

2059
02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:14.600
such. Yeah, he's been he's
been putting our records for thirty years,

2060
02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:16.720
althose and and like he found a
way to pull it off, Like the

2061
02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:20.920
crew surrounding him is very talented.
Like it's it's a it's a fascinating record.

2062
02:01:21.039 --> 02:01:24.520
There's not a whole lot of Dre
actually rapping on there. From what

2063
02:01:24.600 --> 02:01:27.840
I've listened to, there's not a
ton there's enough, and it never really

2064
02:01:28.079 --> 02:01:31.319
was right and one was had a
lot more featured things, a lot of

2065
02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:34.079
Dre. Yeah, I guess so
he was always but there was always it

2066
02:01:34.119 --> 02:01:36.039
was always about who else was on
there with him, right, you know,

2067
02:01:36.239 --> 02:01:40.840
because that also gave you some indication
ast to like who was writing the

2068
02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:43.760
stuff for Dre too, right,
and you kind of wouldn't hear his style

2069
02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:45.800
change. He's always more of a
producer, right, Absolutely, Yeah,

2070
02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:48.840
I hear, I hear the beazz
are dope these things. It's yeah,

2071
02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:51.439
it doesn't sound like anything else that's
come out, you know lately, Like

2072
02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:55.760
it's you know, it sounds a
lot. I think you could draw some

2073
02:01:55.840 --> 02:01:59.600
parallels to like Kendrick Lamar's album,
Like it just has that kind of cohesiveness

2074
02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:01.920
that that you don't get out of
rap albums because it's just like that's a

2075
02:02:01.960 --> 02:02:04.479
bunch of fucking singles, and you
know, it's like here's the hot track

2076
02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:08.560
and then the rest is just you
know, we're gonna say pipe it up

2077
02:02:08.600 --> 02:02:11.279
over and over again. I mean, the name of the album makes it

2078
02:02:11.359 --> 02:02:14.359
sound like almost like concept album type
thing, and I'm like, it's clearly

2079
02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:16.640
like meant to be taken as a
whole. Yeah it is. And you

2080
02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:18.720
know, there are a lot of
people on the album that are not from

2081
02:02:19.319 --> 02:02:24.880
the area, but that doesn't say
anything, you know, negative about it.

2082
02:02:25.239 --> 02:02:29.359
It's a it's a really it's a
strong project. But yeah, specifically,

2083
02:02:29.479 --> 02:02:32.119
the only thing I thought to brought
up would bring up would be that

2084
02:02:32.199 --> 02:02:35.159
red Ring of Death. I have
to I wanted to listen to the album

2085
02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:39.920
anyway, but I'd have to go
here that now for sure. It's it's

2086
02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:45.039
pretty good. It's a better than
the CB four soundtrack. That's that's my

2087
02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:50.479
knowledge. I mean music Sweat of
My Balls and Straight out of Low Cash

2088
02:02:50.600 --> 02:02:56.439
are a powerful duo of tracks they're
covering of rappers. Delight is subpar,

2089
02:02:56.720 --> 02:02:59.199
ye, and then the rest of
it's not even them, it's like a

2090
02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:02.600
bunch of other right. Uh So, I don't even that's I don't I

2091
02:03:02.600 --> 02:03:05.399
don't care, that's just tracks for
a movie from Balls. Yeah, you

2092
02:03:05.439 --> 02:03:12.079
can feel it. You can feel
Have you ever heard talk like sex by

2093
02:03:12.119 --> 02:03:15.039
cool g Rap? I don't think
I have. It's the song that is

2094
02:03:15.199 --> 02:03:18.760
sweat from most from My Ball is
the actual song. That's the beat and

2095
02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:23.319
a lot of stuff like the Yeah, Chris Rock did not do the rapping

2096
02:03:23.359 --> 02:03:26.359
on that. He did not know. They actually got other real rappers to

2097
02:03:26.399 --> 02:03:28.520
come in and do. That's why
it was so good. Ghost rap.

2098
02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:31.359
Yeah, they ghost rapped so that
Chris Rock and you know, the other

2099
02:03:31.359 --> 02:03:35.560
people from the movie could wrap along
to that and yeah, mhm, the

2100
02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:40.079
more you know, all right,
bomb cast a giant bomb dot com.

2101
02:03:40.279 --> 02:03:43.039
I neglected to mention that earlier,
just in case you don't know by now.

2102
02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:49.039
Uh. Former intern Perry wrote in
m yeah, yeah, cool.

2103
02:03:49.359 --> 02:03:51.479
I pulled the email because it was
a good email, and then I only

2104
02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:56.960
later noticed that it was by him, So no favoritism here, that's right.

2105
02:03:57.880 --> 02:04:00.960
Uh. He wrote it about the
future of consoles. Hey duds,

2106
02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:04.000
You guys seemed pretty calm while discussing
how this might be the final generation of

2107
02:04:04.039 --> 02:04:08.439
consoles given you all make a living. Covering video games. I assume that

2108
02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:11.880
means you believe the games industry will
continue to grow in different ways rather than

2109
02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:15.439
suffer another crash. I guess my
question is why CD Project Red said they

2110
02:04:15.439 --> 02:04:19.239
couldn't afford to make the Witch or
three with its current sale scale without the

2111
02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:24.359
console market. So what do you
guys see the console market becoming? Will

2112
02:04:24.399 --> 02:04:29.359
everything become customizable PCs like a steambox? You think streaming games on less expensive,

2113
02:04:29.479 --> 02:04:32.399
longer lasting hardware will finally become viable? Or will VR of all to

2114
02:04:32.439 --> 02:04:35.239
the point where all the hardware is
within the headset itself and no one plays

2115
02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:40.399
on TVs anymore. Consoles have their
weaknesses, but the idea of Microsoft,

2116
02:04:40.479 --> 02:04:44.680
Sony and Nintendo dropping them only sounds
like a huge setback for games. I

2117
02:04:44.720 --> 02:04:48.279
hope you're all doing well. I
think it's a little too early to tell,

2118
02:04:48.359 --> 02:04:55.359
but I think any one of those
you know things is not completely out

2119
02:04:55.399 --> 02:04:58.760
of the question. Yeah. I
don't think the air is ready to take

2120
02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:02.600
off to Yeah, but yeah,
I think, you know, PCs will

2121
02:05:02.640 --> 02:05:08.359
continue to get easier, you know, hybrid devices, streaming, uh sort

2122
02:05:08.399 --> 02:05:14.199
of technology. You know, phones
are still very important. Yeah, I

2123
02:05:14.319 --> 02:05:16.199
think that, you know, game
developers will continue to make games because that's

2124
02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:21.880
what they do. And even if
you know, those platforms don't exist in

2125
02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:25.279
the same way that they used to, I think that there's still plenty of

2126
02:05:25.319 --> 02:05:27.439
potential. You know. That's the
sort of thing that you know, if

2127
02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:31.800
if that market was suddenly not as
viable, then I think you would have

2128
02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:39.239
more PC hardware manufacturers stepping up to
find ways to better reach those players.

2129
02:05:39.439 --> 02:05:43.079
Yeah, those players, the kind
of less technically minded players out there,

2130
02:05:44.600 --> 02:05:46.800
you know, people that don't want
to dick around with installing RAM and and

2131
02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:49.800
all that sort of stuff. You
might see an increase in those efforts,

2132
02:05:49.880 --> 02:05:53.640
I think. I think for me, there are just some archaic elements to

2133
02:05:53.720 --> 02:05:58.199
the traditional console model, specifically,
like the locked hardware for five to seven

2134
02:05:58.279 --> 02:06:01.880
years, you know, like the
kind of the limitation, but it's a

2135
02:06:01.920 --> 02:06:04.960
limitation, but like we're not seeing
the positives of it in the same way

2136
02:06:05.039 --> 02:06:09.680
anymore because games are broken, you
know, Like the whole thing was like

2137
02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:13.479
you know, oh, testing on
the PC's impossible, like QA testing across

2138
02:06:13.520 --> 02:06:15.399
all these different sound cards and graphics
hardware, you know, like all the

2139
02:06:15.439 --> 02:06:20.199
different stuff just over the years that
have made uh, you know, the

2140
02:06:20.319 --> 02:06:24.880
tech end of PC stuff like a
hassle like that's was supposed to go away

2141
02:06:25.039 --> 02:06:28.760
on consoles, but we're still seeing
games launched totally. Fuck. I get

2142
02:06:28.800 --> 02:06:31.359
the sense that the you know,
a lot of developers are targeting so many

2143
02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:36.039
platforms now they can't necessarily develop against
the advantages of a specific console the way

2144
02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:39.079
they used to. You know,
yeah, and they didn't. I mean,

2145
02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:41.159
you know, you think about the
PS two and Xbox Era, like

2146
02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:44.600
that was the case, right,
you know, like the Xbox got PS

2147
02:06:44.680 --> 02:06:47.840
two PS two ports that looked slightly
better but nowhere near as good as you

2148
02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:51.000
know, games developed explicitly for the
Xbox could look. But also, you

2149
02:06:51.039 --> 02:06:54.760
know, like if if developers are
on like Unity or un Reform or something

2150
02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:58.520
that's cross platform like that, like
to an extent, they are dependent on

2151
02:06:59.560 --> 02:07:03.439
God or they're dependent on the engine
that they're running on to kind of make

2152
02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:05.840
the most of each platform, right, you know, like they can't necessarily

2153
02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:10.199
spend a ton of time optimizing each
or you know, maybe they farm the

2154
02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:13.239
pull it out or whatever, like
like you're kind of spreading a you're casting

2155
02:07:13.279 --> 02:07:15.600
a wider net and not necessarily putting
as much time into one version. Yeah,

2156
02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:19.319
no one really specializes like the concept
of the lead platform doesn't exist quite

2157
02:07:19.319 --> 02:07:23.079
the same way as it used to
do unless you're just straight up first party.

2158
02:07:23.279 --> 02:07:27.159
Yeah. Another thing about it for
me is that it seems like the

2159
02:07:27.239 --> 02:07:30.720
market has identified like four hundred dollars
as being the price point that it's willing

2160
02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.840
to bear. You know, That's
what it was last time, and then

2161
02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:36.920
you know, setting inflation and stuff
side, that's what it was again.

2162
02:07:38.680 --> 02:07:42.159
But every successive generation, the power
you can get for the money that they're

2163
02:07:42.159 --> 02:07:45.039
going to charge is less and less, you know, yeah, because the

2164
02:07:45.119 --> 02:07:46.039
value of that stuff is going to
drop. So at a certainly, like

2165
02:07:46.239 --> 02:07:48.600
people already maybe I were, you
know, looking at neo gap too much

2166
02:07:48.680 --> 02:07:53.960
or whatever, but people already seem
pretty dissatisfied, I can guarantee. Yeah,

2167
02:07:53.960 --> 02:07:57.239
a lot of people already seem fairly
dissatisfied with the horsepower in these boxes

2168
02:07:57.319 --> 02:08:01.279
and what they can do versus even
like a modest PC you know, two

2169
02:08:01.399 --> 02:08:03.479
years in. That's kind of scary. Yeah. So like at a certain

2170
02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:07.039
point, when does this, when
is locking yourself into this one platform that

2171
02:08:07.119 --> 02:08:11.319
you have to live with for this
many years kind of stopped making sense?

2172
02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:13.920
Well, you know, it's one
of those things that it's only bad if

2173
02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:18.640
you know, right, if you're
sheltering yourself from gaff. I'm not calling

2174
02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:22.479
it neo gaff and but you know, if you're just like some general consumer,

2175
02:08:22.520 --> 02:08:24.319
yeah just out there. That's just
like I got an Xbox because that's

2176
02:08:24.319 --> 02:08:28.560
what I got last time I got
my Maddens. Well, you know,

2177
02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:31.760
in their defense, there have been
some conspicuous cases, like the Witcher is

2178
02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:33.119
a case where it's like, you
forget what it does on the PC,

2179
02:08:33.399 --> 02:08:37.319
Like this runs unacceptably, you know, in absolute terms, you know,

2180
02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:41.039
just on by the standard of this
console, like this runs like shit,

2181
02:08:41.239 --> 02:08:45.279
you know, yeah, like just
just like you said, stuff broken,

2182
02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:48.800
stuff running poorly, like forget what
the other guys have, you know,

2183
02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:52.720
Yeah, this is just this is
just not Look at Assassin's Creed last year,

2184
02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:56.000
right, like right, there's just
stuff happening, right, is unacceptable

2185
02:08:56.079 --> 02:08:58.920
regardless of the power of these platforms, yea, even if the lack of

2186
02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:05.279
power the platforms is you know,
forcing people to cram too much into these

2187
02:09:05.319 --> 02:09:07.079
spaces, right, So, like
to an extent, there seems like there's

2188
02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:09.920
a horsepower question that needs to be
answered. And also they just have to

2189
02:09:11.079 --> 02:09:15.359
be competitive with like stay at sales
and you know, offering value the way

2190
02:09:15.399 --> 02:09:18.239
that stuff like Steam does. And
I think you know that you'll, yeah,

2191
02:09:18.760 --> 02:09:20.880
they'll there will come a time where, like if the consoles were not

2192
02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:26.119
viable next time around, you know, I think that there are a lot

2193
02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:28.399
of people who like to play games
enough that that would be the thing that

2194
02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:33.239
would spur them on to look for
something else. And the conversations about like

2195
02:09:33.640 --> 02:09:35.720
oh, the Witcher couldn't happen unless
we put it on consoles like that at

2196
02:09:35.800 --> 02:09:41.800
some point starts to maybe fade into
the background. You know, there are

2197
02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:46.159
a zillion hurdles between here and there. That's not something that happens automatically.

2198
02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:48.199
That's not something that you know,
happens overnight, but you know, you

2199
02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:54.399
could see it going that way,
or you know, but these sold well

2200
02:09:54.520 --> 02:09:58.560
enough that you know, you'd think
it also might just kind of inspire the

2201
02:09:58.640 --> 02:10:01.640
console manufacturers to get at one more
go. You know, I think you

2202
02:10:01.720 --> 02:10:05.560
have to have a hard failure of
consoles to drive those companies out, right,

2203
02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:09.800
Like, even even even even after
the WU Nintendo, they're still pressing

2204
02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:11.479
on, right, Yeah, And
that thing is about as big a failure

2205
02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:15.000
as you could imagine, like worse
than the GameCube you know, by the

2206
02:10:15.079 --> 02:10:18.760
time we get late enough into the
cycle this time around for like the power

2207
02:10:18.960 --> 02:10:22.520
problem to be even more noticeable because
you know, we've got another generation of

2208
02:10:22.600 --> 02:10:26.680
PC cards or you know, whatever
ends up happening, like, too many

2209
02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:30.000
people will be invested, too many
people will have purchased consoles. At that

2210
02:10:30.000 --> 02:10:31.840
point, the install bases will be
large enough to sustain it regardless of what

2211
02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:35.960
happens. So unless sales dry up
in a heartbeat because people suddenly care about

2212
02:10:35.960 --> 02:10:41.720
frame rates, which I don't think
the mainstream consumer really does. Uh that

2213
02:10:41.840 --> 02:10:45.439
no one's going to notice until someone
has to bring it out, and it

2214
02:10:45.520 --> 02:10:48.239
has to it would it would have
to come out and suck out of the

2215
02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:50.520
gate. Word of mouth would have
to be totally tanked, and no one

2216
02:10:50.560 --> 02:10:52.880
wouldn't you know, get to a
point where no one just buys the consoles

2217
02:10:52.920 --> 02:10:54.840
to begin with. Yeah, I
mean, you know, there's no doubt

2218
02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:58.920
we haven't seen remotely the extent of
what these things can actually do. You

2219
02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:05.680
know, like if you sat through
that Uncharted four demo, But like you

2220
02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:07.479
said, you know, that's a
game that's being built specifically to that platform,

2221
02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:11.560
and you know, taking advantage of
as many optimizations as they know about

2222
02:11:11.720 --> 02:11:13.600
and then some they're good, they'll
invent some plenty of along the way,

2223
02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:18.399
you know. Uh. And but
yeah, for for developers that are deploying

2224
02:11:18.840 --> 02:11:22.680
unreal interest before Unity, you know, like whatever they're using, if they're

2225
02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:26.279
going multi platform all other stuff,
then yeah, they don't get those advantages.

2226
02:11:28.439 --> 02:11:31.039
That's true. Yeah, So it's
it's it's tricky, yeah, I

2227
02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:33.640
mean, I just I don't think
that consoles are dead. I think consoles

2228
02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:37.960
are very much alive. You know, we were seeing good sales and people

2229
02:11:37.079 --> 02:11:43.840
want games in that format. But
like, when this generation ends, what

2230
02:11:43.039 --> 02:11:46.319
will the kind of the total,
what will be the total you know,

2231
02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:52.039
our totality of our feelings about the
generation? Right, I'm not sure yet

2232
02:11:52.319 --> 02:11:56.880
everything's going to be Tap Titans in
five years. Day. I've cast my

2233
02:11:56.079 --> 02:12:01.520
lot with Secura Clickers. Sorry,
it's a bad game. It's Securit clicker.

2234
02:12:01.640 --> 02:12:03.079
I've never played it, for the
record, but jeffs I put about

2235
02:12:03.079 --> 02:12:09.319
twenty minutes into it. It's a
bad clicker, like regardless of you know,

2236
02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:13.039
like the anime girls, you're clicking, it does click, don't.

2237
02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:16.920
I'm kind of alarmed that you have
feelings about what Constant is a good clicker.

2238
02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:24.880
So the UI is fucking terrible for
upgrades and buying stuff, like like

2239
02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:28.119
a lot of that stuff is pretty
bad. The way you kind of unlock

2240
02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:33.000
the skills and stuff like the skills
are not interesting. The artifact system when

2241
02:12:33.039 --> 02:12:35.479
you reset to kind of spend things
on kind of more permanent boosts is like

2242
02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:43.119
just it feels behind something like time
clickers or or clicker Heroes, just there's

2243
02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:46.720
more nuance there. This feels like
very ham fisted. It feels it feels

2244
02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:50.359
like crap. It feels like someone
said, like, well, we're gonna

2245
02:12:50.439 --> 02:12:54.399
put anime girls into it, and
that's our hook, and like fuck actually

2246
02:12:54.439 --> 02:12:58.199
making this game that is their hook, like removing any you know, it's

2247
02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:01.359
weird to be talking about depth in
a game like that, but like they

2248
02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:05.640
have found a way to remove some
of it and skirr click man, that

2249
02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:09.880
game is fucking crazy. There's like
it's like the enemy is an anime girl

2250
02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:13.039
and she changes so sometimes it's a
wolf anime girl, sometimes it's a snow

2251
02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:16.560
anime girl, and you click on
them and they disappear and they make moaning

2252
02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:20.760
noises while you do so. But
then there's another character off the side that

2253
02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:24.159
is like the main character and that's
supposed to you or that's just the main

2254
02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:26.439
character, and there's no animation there
at all. That character just fucking sits

2255
02:13:26.520 --> 02:13:31.840
there and does jack shit. And
you can spend real money to dress that

2256
02:13:31.960 --> 02:13:35.239
character up in different costumes and hairstyles
and facial expression. Is this a free

2257
02:13:35.239 --> 02:13:39.079
to play game? Yeah, oh
it isn't that. They all, well,

2258
02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:43.039
you can spend about seven or eight
dollars on like costumes and fucking school

2259
02:13:43.079 --> 02:13:46.359
girl outfits and total like that.
Yeah, yeah, thank you for all

2260
02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:52.880
for your character which doesn't animate and
doesn't actually do anything. It's just like,

2261
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.239
here's an anime lady standing next to
the anime lady that at least has

2262
02:13:56.399 --> 02:14:01.279
off frame of animation. Okay,
it's a fucking bad thing. Like even

2263
02:14:01.279 --> 02:14:07.600
if you were like I'm going into
this for fucking awesome perverted anime party,

2264
02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:13.159
it fucking still sucks at that.
It fucking sucks at that's to screw up.

2265
02:14:13.399 --> 02:14:18.640
Yeah, uh wow, man,
I ran cheat engine with time clickers

2266
02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:22.680
over the weekend and got a fucking
ton of time cubes and so I have

2267
02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:26.720
broken myself up there. Clickers.
They they issued another patch ree balancing some

2268
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:33.359
stuff, and you know, good
on them, but I balanced patches like

2269
02:14:33.159 --> 02:14:39.239
patch notes for a clicker. Yeah. Yeah, Jesus, I turned on

2270
02:14:39.319 --> 02:14:43.399
the speed hack and said it to
five hundred. I hacked it so whenever

2271
02:14:43.479 --> 02:14:46.600
I clicked to buy an upgrade,
it was giving me gold instead of taking

2272
02:14:46.640 --> 02:14:50.359
it away. Nice. I didn't
go through the full progression of all the

2273
02:14:50.479 --> 02:14:54.239
perks and tech trees and stuff,
but I saw enough of it to know.

2274
02:14:54.880 --> 02:14:56.960
I saw enough of it to know
that I was done. Done.

2275
02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:00.720
You're free Now I'm done. Are
you on the other ship? Now?

2276
02:15:01.039 --> 02:15:03.399
No, I installed That's when I
installed Secura Clickers, and that thing sucks.

2277
02:15:03.439 --> 02:15:07.720
Okay, time clickers, quality clicker. So your clicker heroes pretty good?

2278
02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.479
Cooky clicker. Hey man, my
dudes and tans are still making me

2279
02:15:11.600 --> 02:15:16.439
money. The game's not even on. I just yeah, they're working for

2280
02:15:16.520 --> 02:15:20.000
me in the background, playing for
me. I've not installed Tap Titans yet.

2281
02:15:20.039 --> 02:15:22.520
What do you think it's? Uh, it's good looking, But you've

2282
02:15:22.760 --> 02:15:26.239
just fucking tapped the screen, don't
I don't get it. Yeah, Like,

2283
02:15:26.359 --> 02:15:28.640
I've tried to devise new methods of
tapping. I've gotten pretty good at

2284
02:15:28.760 --> 02:15:33.079
tapping phone screen quickly. Yeah,
so I'm doing like a double finger method

2285
02:15:33.159 --> 02:15:37.880
here. Uh, Dan's looking intend
Dan rolled over there in his chair to

2286
02:15:37.920 --> 02:15:41.840
see what you're doing. He's tapping
the screen with two fingers. Does that

2287
02:15:41.960 --> 02:15:45.680
count as two inputs? Yeah?
Double doublepending on depending on the respect.

2288
02:15:46.600 --> 02:15:50.079
I can't speak for your Android device
because I don't really know, but I

2289
02:15:50.199 --> 02:15:54.439
find a three fingered rolling galloping method
would be pretty good. I seem to

2290
02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:58.680
be getting the same kind of DPS
with that, okay, or yeah?

2291
02:15:58.880 --> 02:16:01.680
Or both thumbs is another yea double
tapping the thing is. So my mobile

2292
02:16:03.039 --> 02:16:05.840
clicker of choice is adventure capitalist,
and it's not really about the clicking,

2293
02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:09.920
Okay, so much like at the
at the outset, you'll have to tap

2294
02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:13.079
a thing to get some money coming
in. But it's very much about like

2295
02:16:15.399 --> 02:16:18.239
as soon as you buy the managers
that make it go automatically, like you're

2296
02:16:18.319 --> 02:16:20.279
you're never tapping those things ever.
Again, you kind of can't actually once

2297
02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:26.800
you get them going. I have
three point twelve trillion coins a lot.

2298
02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:31.800
You could have more. Uh My
DPS is two hundred and thirty six point

2299
02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:35.159
five one million. That could be
a higher number that probably could, I

2300
02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:37.079
can't assume. I mean, yeah, there are higher numbers than that.

2301
02:16:37.159 --> 02:16:41.559
I think it could probably could run
out. Yeah, I mean eventually everyone

2302
02:16:41.639 --> 02:16:46.639
runs out. But I am super
bored already. Okay, I just shut

2303
02:16:46.680 --> 02:16:50.719
off tap Titans, all right,
Well but they're still playing for me,

2304
02:16:50.959 --> 02:16:52.520
man, exactly. That's the best
log and again, and I'm gonna get

2305
02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:56.200
like two billion goals. You could
be and you could be managing the storage

2306
02:16:56.239 --> 02:17:00.959
on your Xbox one. Yeah,
you're still making money in these games to

2307
02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:05.120
make those Titans work for you.
Time cubes still coming in while you're overplaying

2308
02:17:05.239 --> 02:17:07.719
Killer Instinct. God, I'm so
happy. I just peeked in there just

2309
02:17:07.840 --> 02:17:09.959
long enough to kind of like,
okay, that's what's going on in this

2310
02:17:11.120 --> 02:17:15.760
room. And then I just left
the room and the abyss yep ever dumped

2311
02:17:15.799 --> 02:17:18.360
that out and you leaned away.
The numbers keep going, they did,

2312
02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:22.520
Yeah they do. There's only one
way to go, and it's up.

2313
02:17:22.360 --> 02:17:28.799
Oh yeah. Braden from Auckland,
New Zealand about nuts, got some Hello

2314
02:17:28.879 --> 02:17:33.000
bomb cast. What is the best
nuts peanuts? I say, the cash

2315
02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:39.120
you narrowly amans almonds. Yeah better
are good, Okay, he says.

2316
02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:43.840
I say the cash you narrowly best
the macadamia. But my friends insist nothing

2317
02:17:43.879 --> 02:17:46.120
beats the peanut your thoughts, please. Wal Nuts are good. Peanuts are

2318
02:17:46.159 --> 02:17:50.600
good. Yeah, wal nut I
feel like kind of way down the list.

2319
02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:54.520
Good walnuts only work if they're baked
into goods, and even then,

2320
02:17:54.600 --> 02:17:56.680
yeah, thank you. You don't
want a handful of all nuts. Yeah,

2321
02:17:56.799 --> 02:17:58.959
but like if you had a brownie
that had walnuts in it, you're

2322
02:17:58.120 --> 02:18:01.799
like, well, this is okay. I think about just eating plain walnuts

2323
02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:07.280
and there's like this woodsy like earthy
like stuff on. Extra understanding is that

2324
02:18:07.360 --> 02:18:11.360
cashews can act as an antidepressant.
Really, yeah, huh. Cashees are

2325
02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:13.959
delicious. Cashewes are fantastic. I
can go in on some pistachios. Oh

2326
02:18:15.079 --> 02:18:20.639
yeah, yeah, so many they
become a bone in wing situation where in

2327
02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:22.559
the act of shelling them so long
that it's like I just want nuts.

2328
02:18:22.600 --> 02:18:26.079
I can't do it. Yeah,
but if you get them like pre cracked,

2329
02:18:26.120 --> 02:18:28.479
you just it's just feel it open. But most of them are sold

2330
02:18:28.520 --> 02:18:31.559
that, but again, that takes
time. If I could just get like

2331
02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:37.479
shell to pistachios, you can.
I want to dump these things my goddamn

2332
02:18:37.559 --> 02:18:39.840
mouth. Yeah. What are your
thoughts on sunflower seeds? Because I thought

2333
02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:43.680
it would be great to just have
a ton of something like when you get

2334
02:18:43.799 --> 02:18:46.680
just the seeds and you just pour
them all in your face. It doesn't

2335
02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:48.479
work. It doesn't work. No, it doesn't work. You would think

2336
02:18:48.479 --> 02:18:50.600
it'd be awesome if it's all that
worked just to get one of them,

2337
02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:52.959
and that's good enough. It's like
what if I poured like forty in my

2338
02:18:52.040 --> 02:18:56.120
face? Secret though with that is
that there's so much salt on the shells.

2339
02:18:56.200 --> 02:18:58.319
By putting the shells in your mouth, you're getting like the flavorful salt.

2340
02:18:58.399 --> 02:19:01.680
It's big time. That's really what
you're there for. A you may

2341
02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:03.879
a ranch and barbecue and all that
stuff. Like I keep a bag actually

2342
02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:07.479
in the control room, and it
just kind of occupies my time. Like

2343
02:19:07.559 --> 02:19:09.000
I'll put like, you know,
five or six in my mouth and work

2344
02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.959
them from one side of the mouth
to the other, cracking them in between.

2345
02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:15.959
It's a system. I don't know
if I've ever had some flower seats

2346
02:19:15.959 --> 02:19:18.799
since one of them shattered my moll
or like ten years ago. Yeah,

2347
02:19:18.840 --> 02:19:20.719
that's a good reason to know.
I used to eat them all the time,

2348
02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:22.680
and then yeah, it sins my
moll are shattered, all right.

2349
02:19:22.959 --> 02:19:26.959
I think there's nothing wrong with peanuts. They're they're the standards, the gold

2350
02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:31.239
standard nuts, good reliable, workman
like nuts. Yeah, they're I think

2351
02:19:31.280 --> 02:19:33.239
peanuts are at the top regardless.
Like did you ever eat the shells?

2352
02:19:35.120 --> 02:19:37.000
No? Okay, And maybe that
was that a kid thing. I used

2353
02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:39.520
to go to Rols games and you'd
get the peanuts at the ball game,

2354
02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:41.879
and I used to like eat.
I think, I come in the shells,

2355
02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:43.920
but I don't eat the I mean, yeah, maybe I tried to

2356
02:19:43.920 --> 02:19:46.959
eat shells once, and I learned
very quickly that you should do. I

2357
02:19:46.040 --> 02:19:48.920
think I think the one way,
the one way you can eat the shells

2358
02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:52.239
is if they're boiled. You ever
had boiled peanuts? No, Actually,

2359
02:19:52.239 --> 02:19:56.040
they're really good. I think you
can eat the shell that way because they're

2360
02:19:56.040 --> 02:19:58.559
all soft. And okay, yeah, I got a honey roasted peanut.

2361
02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:03.639
That's good. Yeah. Well,
all dressing beside except maybe salt, all

2362
02:20:03.719 --> 02:20:07.559
dressed cash. Cash is the most
naturally delicious nut. So for so many

2363
02:20:07.639 --> 02:20:11.159
years I would have agreed with it. Yeah, I grew up with cash

2364
02:20:11.159 --> 02:20:13.639
shows as a constant in the household
to the point where I like them less.

2365
02:20:13.680 --> 02:20:16.879
Now, well, see that was
that was peanuts for me. We

2366
02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:18.799
just had peanuts around. See,
I wanted peanuts, but there were always

2367
02:20:18.840 --> 02:20:22.600
cash shows and then you know,
and my mom was very heavy when she

2368
02:20:22.719 --> 02:20:26.399
was baking. She was very heavy
on on putting walnuts into things, to

2369
02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:31.799
the point where like, I wouldn't
say that I like walnuts. She's amazing

2370
02:20:31.879 --> 02:20:35.319
at baking things. And when she
leaves out the walnuts, it's even better.

2371
02:20:35.600 --> 02:20:39.040
I just thought of a number two
potential tie for number one. Pecan.

2372
02:20:39.600 --> 02:20:43.159
Really, pecans are great. I'm
not I'm not super. I don't

2373
02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:46.479
have a I don't have a long
history with pecan. I really like,

2374
02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:48.079
I will say, I will say
that the pecan pie is among the best

2375
02:20:48.120 --> 02:20:54.479
of all pies. One sounds great
is the best? That sounds great?

2376
02:20:54.639 --> 02:20:58.680
It is. I love almonds,
Uh yeah, smoked, not smoked.

2377
02:20:58.760 --> 02:21:01.520
I get some less sabi flavor one. Oh no, those are gross,

2378
02:21:01.719 --> 02:21:05.760
Dan Dana. Pecan pie is basically
a pie crust with a mixture of sugar

2379
02:21:05.879 --> 02:21:09.600
and butter slathered all over the pie
crust, and then a thin layer of

2380
02:21:09.639 --> 02:21:16.000
pecans. On zero chance that's not
it's fuz there's only one way to make

2381
02:21:16.040 --> 02:21:22.920
it better, and it's if you
add chocolate chips, oh man nuts.

2382
02:21:24.399 --> 02:21:26.840
I would maybe put them the macadamia
up against the cashew. I think they

2383
02:21:26.879 --> 02:21:31.799
are equal in my mind. If
I had to like pick nuts that I

2384
02:21:31.879 --> 02:21:35.040
thought were fancy, it's cash used
macadamia nuts. Yeah, sure, I

2385
02:21:35.079 --> 02:21:39.159
mean you I wouldn't. They're expensive
as shit, especially like I bought a

2386
02:21:39.239 --> 02:21:41.959
thing. I bought a thing off
cash used macadamia's and almonds at the store.

2387
02:21:43.319 --> 02:21:45.920
It's like a big, good,
jumbo sized jar. But it was

2388
02:21:45.920 --> 02:21:48.280
like eighteen dollars. They are not
cheap. You know what. I need

2389
02:21:48.319 --> 02:21:52.840
to buy some of those Virginia peanuts, like shell, those ones that Shelly

2390
02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:54.120
used to send us. Yeah,
I think I might still have some of

2391
02:21:54.159 --> 02:22:00.200
those. They're great, really good
peanuts, really good peanuts. That was

2392
02:22:00.479 --> 02:22:03.159
That was a solid Christmas guest.
That was a nice thing to show up

2393
02:22:03.159 --> 02:22:05.280
in your mail, was a thing
of peanuts. Absolutely. The thing about

2394
02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:09.719
expensive nuts, though, is that
I wish I had figured this out earlier,

2395
02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:13.959
that nuts are incredibly high in calories. So you see there. I

2396
02:22:15.000 --> 02:22:18.799
mean, yes, there's some good
protein, but man, they're some moderation

2397
02:22:18.959 --> 02:22:22.639
is key. I don't think I've
had a macadamia nut by itself. I

2398
02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:26.879
think the only place I've had whatever
I have some of my bag downstairs.

2399
02:22:26.920 --> 02:22:28.799
If you want to have them.
I want to try that because I've only

2400
02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:31.239
had them in those subway cookies.
I think these are really good. They're

2401
02:22:31.319 --> 02:22:33.360
right. I think they're right up
there with the cashew and texture and flavor.

2402
02:22:33.760 --> 02:22:35.920
Yes, they're similar to a cash
Okay, I want I want to

2403
02:22:35.959 --> 02:22:41.040
try that. Get the tropical that's
from Hawaii and stuff. Yeah, it

2404
02:22:41.120 --> 02:22:46.840
sounds good. Higgins is there?
Yeah? Yes, nuts Apparently we have

2405
02:22:48.000 --> 02:22:52.040
strong feelings. Nuts are pretty good. You're right, I love nuts.

2406
02:22:52.159 --> 02:22:58.680
Yep. Yeah, I'm nuts for
nuts. Uh Ben writes in Jason and

2407
02:22:58.840 --> 02:23:03.959
Jeff Yo, we'll have some thoughts
on this. The discussion of Rising Thunder

2408
02:23:03.079 --> 02:23:07.239
and It's focused on strategy over execution
on last week's bodcast got me thinking about

2409
02:23:07.280 --> 02:23:11.280
whether a turn based fighting game could
work. It seems like this could be

2410
02:23:11.319 --> 02:23:15.159
the ultimate way for a fighting game
to be purely strategy. There would be

2411
02:23:15.200 --> 02:23:18.639
no skill to executing the move,
just in choosing which moves to do.

2412
02:23:18.440 --> 02:23:22.319
To be things up, there could
maybe be a thirty second time limit to

2413
02:23:22.399 --> 02:23:24.799
choose your move or something. Has
this ever been done before? Do you

2414
02:23:24.920 --> 02:23:30.239
think it would work? Let's play
Rock Paper scissors, basically, I guess

2415
02:23:30.239 --> 02:23:33.920
so if you want to if you
want to go super crazy, go get

2416
02:23:33.959 --> 02:23:37.440
a Yomi Dick. Yeah, yeah, that that actually could work. Uh.

2417
02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:43.879
Tory Bash actually is the free to
play turn based fighting game of sorts.

2418
02:23:43.959 --> 02:23:46.879
You might want to check that out. But ultimately, like a lot

2419
02:23:46.920 --> 02:23:50.920
of the fun and like a strategizing
is like done in the heat of the

2420
02:23:52.040 --> 02:23:54.120
moment, you know, so,
uh, in turn based you're gonna lose.

2421
02:23:54.200 --> 02:23:56.840
I think some of that. Do
you find you find that you're just

2422
02:23:56.920 --> 02:23:58.399
acting on instinct in a lot of
cases? Yeah, yeah, stuff,

2423
02:23:58.479 --> 02:24:01.280
Yeah it could then, And like
just being quicker than your opponent is like

2424
02:24:01.360 --> 02:24:03.559
a valuable skill to have, right, sure, like that's part of the

2425
02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:07.120
skill set. Yeah, for sure. Like this this sounds like an interesting

2426
02:24:07.200 --> 02:24:09.639
idea. It just sounds like it
would be more of a pure strategy game,

2427
02:24:09.879 --> 02:24:13.040
right than it would really have anything
to do with an actual fighting Yeah.

2428
02:24:13.200 --> 02:24:18.000
Also, there was what Speakeasy,
which was essentially like a glorified rock

2429
02:24:18.040 --> 02:24:20.639
paper scissors. Yeah, that is
like a fighting game. Rapper, but

2430
02:24:22.799 --> 02:24:24.520
did that have a cool art style? It was like an old thought villain.

2431
02:24:24.680 --> 02:24:30.000
Yeah, I thought I remembered seeing
that look kind of neat there you

2432
02:24:30.079 --> 02:24:35.200
haven't Shifty from Kansas Shifty shell Shock
maybe from crazy Town. No, no

2433
02:24:35.360 --> 02:24:41.920
last name given, So Kans could
very well. Shifty rights in about gnarly

2434
02:24:43.079 --> 02:24:48.120
enemies, skeletons, the throw bones, enemies that can travel or shoot through

2435
02:24:48.159 --> 02:24:52.559
walls, bad guys that spawn or
resurrect other bad guys. What is the

2436
02:24:52.639 --> 02:24:58.600
gnarliest recurring enemy type in video games? Any that regenerate their own health?

2437
02:24:58.840 --> 02:25:01.079
M that's pretty bad. That's infuriated. Although I would give the nod to

2438
02:25:01.159 --> 02:25:03.840
what he mentioned. The guys that
res other guys. Yeah, yeah,

2439
02:25:05.719 --> 02:25:07.959
the fucking arch the arch file,
arch files and motherfucker basically Brad, you'll

2440
02:25:07.959 --> 02:25:13.319
know Kingdom Rush, those guys that
Yes, that ship was terrible, Yeah

2441
02:25:13.319 --> 02:25:16.040
that was that's it. Yes,
that's a conspicuous example. Yeah, I

2442
02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:18.120
definitely think yeah, yeah, think
Dark Souls has people like that, right,

2443
02:25:18.360 --> 02:25:22.239
like dudes that bring back other dudes, or Bloodborne had it. Yeah,

2444
02:25:22.280 --> 02:25:24.920
Bloodborne totally have those. The bell
ladies where the enemies would just keep

2445
02:25:24.959 --> 02:25:28.559
reso. That's right, until you
kill the bell lady, grind your way

2446
02:25:28.600 --> 02:25:31.079
to the Bell lady, you kill
her, all the other enemies would just

2447
02:25:31.120 --> 02:25:33.680
keep coming back every like minute.
Yeah, I would always We're not in

2448
02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:37.360
Blood Born or Dark Soul. Serious
because they would have made the game too

2449
02:25:37.440 --> 02:25:41.840
fucking hard, and nobody likes medusa
heads. You're telling you, I guess

2450
02:25:41.879 --> 02:25:48.280
sod ads are really fucking sucked.
Yeah, some situational like if the meduce

2451
02:25:48.319 --> 02:25:50.360
Heads just show up and you're like
on flat ground, it's like, you

2452
02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:52.920
know it's a hassle, but whatever, but like they only show up,

2453
02:25:52.040 --> 02:25:56.559
Yeah, they only show up like
when your platform jumping. Ye really fucking

2454
02:25:56.600 --> 02:26:00.719
shit up, you know. I
think I think the little hopping hunchback guys

2455
02:26:00.760 --> 02:26:03.799
in the first Castlevania are worse than
the medusa Heads because alave on a predictable

2456
02:26:03.879 --> 02:26:09.040
pattern. Those fuckers just jumped Willie
Millie. That's true all over the place.

2457
02:26:09.280 --> 02:26:11.879
Fantoo, Yeah, fantos, you
get it was the worst. Yeah,

2458
02:26:11.959 --> 02:26:15.680
you get like worked up when I
can't handle fanto. Yeah, it's

2459
02:26:15.719 --> 02:26:20.639
the worst. Also, the Sun
from Mario play berserk Atto, it's basically

2460
02:26:20.719 --> 02:26:24.479
fanto really, like when you pick
something up, it comes off if you

2461
02:26:24.680 --> 02:26:26.920
if you take too long in a
level, Evlado is a fucking bouncing smiley

2462
02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:31.280
face that comes after you and is
invincible. That sounds terrible. When they

2463
02:26:31.319 --> 02:26:33.559
made a sequel to Biserk called Frenzy, you could shoot Evilato and kill him,

2464
02:26:33.959 --> 02:26:37.520
and he would his smile would turn
to a frown, but then he

2465
02:26:37.639 --> 02:26:41.239
instantly responds and comes at you again. Jesus, I remember, as he's

2466
02:26:41.239 --> 02:26:43.600
a real motherfucker. I wanted to
get either he man. I think it

2467
02:26:43.719 --> 02:26:48.840
was buzz Off the b guy or
I had a choice to get that or

2468
02:26:48.120 --> 02:26:52.719
Berserk, and I got Berserk and
Evil Otto was in it, and I

2469
02:26:52.920 --> 02:26:56.000
really regretted that purchase because he scared
the shit out of me as a kid.

2470
02:26:56.280 --> 02:27:01.799
Invincible, Yeah, no, good
constantly. I guess Fanto was definitely

2471
02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:03.479
invincible. I want to say the
Sun and Mario three, if you did

2472
02:27:03.559 --> 02:27:07.200
have a star, couldn't you actually
not think you could? But wouldn't he

2473
02:27:07.200 --> 02:27:09.200
just come back after a few I
think he would, but you could.

2474
02:27:09.399 --> 02:27:11.840
It's like lack of two kill the
Sun. It was fucking all. Yeah,

2475
02:27:11.399 --> 02:27:13.760
it was like lack of two.
Yeah, you can get rid of

2476
02:27:13.799 --> 02:27:15.760
him and then just try to get
as far ahead as you can before he

2477
02:27:15.799 --> 02:27:18.920
comes back. Both of those characters
have really sinister looking eyes. Don't think,

2478
02:27:18.920 --> 02:27:20.159
oh yeah, because that have something
to do with it with them being

2479
02:27:20.239 --> 02:27:24.440
terrified. Thing. This should be
fun and exciting, like a happy,

2480
02:27:24.440 --> 02:27:26.920
smiley face like Evelado and then the
sun it's like, hey, Teletubby's have

2481
02:27:26.920 --> 02:27:28.879
a good time. Yeah. I
think it's more the idea of something just

2482
02:27:30.000 --> 02:27:33.200
constantly pursuable. Like it's like the
guy in clock Tower. But the systems

2483
02:27:33.239 --> 02:27:41.239
they are Fantos, Baders and defender. They're a little subway the submarine sandwich

2484
02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:43.120
looking ships to show up if you
take too long in a level, kill

2485
02:27:43.200 --> 02:27:46.840
them. But they just keep fucking
coming relentless. Yeah, Fanto was nothing

2486
02:27:46.879 --> 02:27:50.000
if not relentless. Yeah, that's
why you just pick up the key,

2487
02:27:50.280 --> 02:27:54.000
you throw it, wait from to
go away, pick up, run ten

2488
02:27:54.040 --> 02:27:54.799
feet, throw it again. Just
don't even mess around. You know.

2489
02:27:54.840 --> 02:27:58.559
What I hated was how quickly he
could rubber band at you, like,

2490
02:27:58.680 --> 02:28:01.840
oh, he dropped the key and
he get the fly away and then prematurely

2491
02:28:01.879 --> 02:28:05.040
picked it back up. Hey,
but he would wrap back around so fast.

2492
02:28:05.920 --> 02:28:09.000
Fuck that ass wars, especially in
the vertical levels too, where there's

2493
02:28:09.000 --> 02:28:09.959
all the spikes and stuff. You
gotta get all the way to the bottom

2494
02:28:11.000 --> 02:28:11.959
of this key. Like hated this. He could just like come out the

2495
02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:15.639
side of the stroll and while as
you were falling and just clip you on

2496
02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:18.360
the way. Yeah. Yeah,
it's the worst. He's pretty bad.

2497
02:28:18.399 --> 02:28:20.280
He's my least favorite game and character. Ever, there's there's video out there

2498
02:28:20.440 --> 02:28:24.719
on the internet. Got you,
oh not not dealing with fanto Will.

2499
02:28:24.079 --> 02:28:28.920
Yeah, yeah there is. Go
find that kids, all right, Joel

2500
02:28:28.959 --> 02:28:33.920
from London. During last week's bodcast, you commented on the announcing of a

2501
02:28:33.000 --> 02:28:37.559
Halo Championship having a prize of one
million dollars, but that it's sort of

2502
02:28:37.600 --> 02:28:41.520
paled in comparison to the International Five's
stalkingly big eighteen million stalking Indeed, I

2503
02:28:41.559 --> 02:28:43.959
don't know he's he's English. Yeah, I'll just let him have it.

2504
02:28:45.040 --> 02:28:48.440
It's a game called Stalkers. Really
yeah, is it British. It's like

2505
02:28:48.479 --> 02:28:50.840
a real time strategy like a proteus. Yes, yes it is, Yes,

2506
02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:56.760
on that up. Stalkers, Yeah, Stalkers. Now. Obviously,

2507
02:28:56.840 --> 02:29:00.879
a million dollars is still a lot, and the Internationalists something of an outlier.

2508
02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:05.000
However, earlier this year another Dota
two champion or tournament, Dota Asian

2509
02:29:05.079 --> 02:29:09.520
Championships, which is that thing I
mentioned earlier that DG also won. DAK

2510
02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:13.000
raised three million dollars as a prize
pool through crowdfunding and other tournaments and dotat

2511
02:29:13.040 --> 02:29:18.159
me let me try it again.
Dak raised three million dollars as a prize

2512
02:29:18.200 --> 02:29:22.239
pool through crowdfunding and other tournaments and
DODA are catching onto the idea of a

2513
02:29:22.280 --> 02:29:26.680
compendium or some sort of buy in
increased prize pool, get goodias model.

2514
02:29:26.360 --> 02:29:31.200
Could the same thing be applied elsewhere? Naturally, Dota is utilizing it's free

2515
02:29:31.239 --> 02:29:33.920
to play structure with this, But
I have to wonder if other publishers and

2516
02:29:33.959 --> 02:29:37.000
developers aren't looking in at what's happening
with Doda and going how can we get

2517
02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:41.559
in on that? For example,
what if this Halo Championship came in tandem

2518
02:29:41.639 --> 02:29:45.680
with some promotional DLC for some armor
goodies or whatever, and took some of

2519
02:29:45.719 --> 02:29:48.840
the earnings and put it into the
tournament pool. You'd probably get more people

2520
02:29:48.879 --> 02:29:52.440
caring about the tournament and maintain people's
investment into the game and franchise in question,

2521
02:29:52.520 --> 02:29:56.200
which would help the competitive scene grow. Right? Or is this all

2522
02:29:56.319 --> 02:30:01.079
just a mad phenomenon associated with us
loons who played Dota that worked for Mortal

2523
02:30:01.159 --> 02:30:03.479
Kombat X, right? I mean
they sold that that blue Steel subzero skining

2524
02:30:03.559 --> 02:30:07.399
the some of the proceeds are all
the proceeds. Some amount of proceeds from

2525
02:30:07.399 --> 02:30:11.159
that went into kill In as well. I wish they did a community like

2526
02:30:11.239 --> 02:30:13.799
Shadow Jago pack, and I think
some of that money went into Wow.

2527
02:30:13.079 --> 02:30:16.200
I feel I feel like I should
have known that that's crazy. It's a

2528
02:30:16.319 --> 02:30:20.079
great idea. Yeah, it's yeah, as long as it's you know,

2529
02:30:20.200 --> 02:30:22.760
cosmetics, as long as it's stuff
that you don't really need, right right,

2530
02:30:22.920 --> 02:30:28.399
like hats stalkers, Oh you need
hats. Trust me on this.

2531
02:30:31.440 --> 02:30:35.840
All that said, like they are
amping up the DODA competitive scene in a

2532
02:30:35.879 --> 02:30:37.680
weird way where like they haven't announced
all the details on this, but they're

2533
02:30:37.719 --> 02:30:41.520
basically going to be what are called
majors, where the International is one and

2534
02:30:41.520 --> 02:30:45.200
then there are three other majors a
year. I believe is the case,

2535
02:30:45.280 --> 02:30:46.600
and they haven't said, but like
Dak might end up being one of them.

2536
02:30:46.680 --> 02:30:50.840
But the point being, if they
end up trying to sell four compendiums

2537
02:30:50.840 --> 02:30:54.959
a year, I think I'm out, Like I think I have the appetite

2538
02:30:56.000 --> 02:30:58.159
for one of these things a year. Yeah, I don't think I want

2539
02:30:58.200 --> 02:31:01.959
to always be leveling one compendium or
another, like every time I'm playing the

2540
02:31:03.000 --> 02:31:05.719
game. Like it's a fun once
a year thing. But it could go

2541
02:31:05.840 --> 02:31:09.520
too far. It's certainly they could
definitely oversaturate with this kind of stuff.

2542
02:31:09.600 --> 02:31:11.719
It's like you look at some of
the cosmetics they're selling, and you know,

2543
02:31:11.799 --> 02:31:13.639
I don't play Dodo, but I
look at some of this ship and

2544
02:31:13.680 --> 02:31:16.840
they're like it's an autographed thing,
and you know, like they've gone so

2545
02:31:18.200 --> 02:31:20.680
far down the road, and I'm
sure there's plenty of road left to go,

2546
02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:22.559
depending on where they want to go. But I just look at it

2547
02:31:22.600 --> 02:31:24.799
and just like, at what point
the players say, like, you know

2548
02:31:24.879 --> 02:31:28.360
what, I just I can play
the game. I don't. I have

2549
02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:33.360
the hats that I like, and
I'm going to keep using those hats,

2550
02:31:33.399 --> 02:31:35.840
and you keep putting out new hats, but they're not hats that I love

2551
02:31:35.920 --> 02:31:39.040
as much as my current hats.
So like, at what point the players

2552
02:31:39.200 --> 02:31:41.799
like enough players kind of get out
of the buying new shit game. In

2553
02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:46.200
my experience, there is no in
between, Like in my personal experience and

2554
02:31:46.239 --> 02:31:50.399
among the people I know, you
either have no hats and you want nothing

2555
02:31:50.440 --> 02:31:54.079
to do with it at all and
you just play the game, yeah,

2556
02:31:54.520 --> 02:31:56.559
or you can't stop really yeah.
I don't know. I could see myself

2557
02:31:56.600 --> 02:31:58.920
just getting maybe one or two.
I mean, there are some people who

2558
02:32:00.079 --> 02:32:01.360
like, you know, items drop
from matches, Like there are people who

2559
02:32:01.399 --> 02:32:03.840
are just like, oh, I
got the cool sword, I'll equip that,

2560
02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:07.120
like I get emotionally attached to.
Yeah, they're definitely people who just

2561
02:32:07.840 --> 02:32:11.799
like equipped the stuff that they got
as drops and they just continue playing the

2562
02:32:11.840 --> 02:32:13.520
game and that's it. But you
know, once you buy in, it's

2563
02:32:13.559 --> 02:32:16.719
kind of it's hard to Okay,
yeah, I can totally see it.

2564
02:32:16.760 --> 02:32:20.239
I mean I spend a fair amount
of money on Www. Supercard cards.

2565
02:32:20.600 --> 02:32:26.600
Is definitely like did you say spent
or spend spent h And it's uh,

2566
02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:31.959
there's definitely like yeah, once you
cross the line once, yeah, it

2567
02:32:31.040 --> 02:32:35.479
just gets easier, and every subsequent
purchases are just like yeah, the first

2568
02:32:35.479 --> 02:32:37.959
time I bought an Arcana, the
thirty five dollars item, I like hemmed

2569
02:32:37.959 --> 02:32:41.200
and hawed about it for a couple
of days. I was just like can

2570
02:32:41.280 --> 02:32:43.879
I It's not it wasn't even the
money as much as like, can I

2571
02:32:43.200 --> 02:32:46.600
sink to this level? Like am
I going to become this kind of person?

2572
02:32:46.760 --> 02:32:48.639
And like, ever since then,
pretty much every time they put one

2573
02:32:48.680 --> 02:32:52.799
out, it's just like instant purchase. Now. Wow, it's it's bad

2574
02:32:54.159 --> 02:32:56.719
that with like costumes and fighting games, I yeah, yeah, you know

2575
02:32:56.799 --> 02:33:00.440
it is. Well, it's even
gotten worse because they've now started offering like

2576
02:33:00.520 --> 02:33:03.040
a discount and like an like an
extra like rarity tier if you preorder it

2577
02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:07.959
like the last one I got for
like twenty eight dollars by by buying it

2578
02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:13.040
the day before game. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Like they are horrible

2579
02:33:13.079 --> 02:33:16.239
people. So when I mentioned to
you earlier that one of the items I

2580
02:33:16.319 --> 02:33:18.319
got back from that bed was a
forty five dollars item, it's because it

2581
02:33:18.399 --> 02:33:22.639
was exalted status. And the only
reason it was exalted is because somebody bought

2582
02:33:22.639 --> 02:33:24.719
it before it came out. Huh, all right, and that made it

2583
02:33:24.799 --> 02:33:33.520
worth an extra ten bucks. Good
Will from Minnesota. Hey, hello,

2584
02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:37.079
bomb Cast. My apartment was recently
broken into, and among the things taken

2585
02:33:37.680 --> 02:33:41.879
was my GameCube and memory cards containing
a couple thousand hours of Fantasy Star Online

2586
02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:46.239
saves. Just hack it. What
do I do with my life now?

2587
02:33:46.399 --> 02:33:48.879
Yeah, it's just just the hack
a save or something like that. That's

2588
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:52.200
totally doable, like on a game
cube, I assume, so I would

2589
02:33:52.520 --> 02:33:54.520
think, so I know that those
adapts. That's yeah, what worth is

2590
02:33:54.600 --> 02:33:58.079
up to? Like PCs and stuff? What were the PSOs on GameCube.

2591
02:34:00.040 --> 02:34:03.120
It was original, it was episode
two, it was one and two in

2592
02:34:03.239 --> 02:34:05.399
one pack. Right, Oh wow, I didn't know that they put all

2593
02:34:05.399 --> 02:34:09.399
of them on the GameCube. Yeah. We also three the Car three a

2594
02:34:09.440 --> 02:34:15.120
car as well, which is not
bad, really not good. People didn't

2595
02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:18.239
love that thing. Well, I
don't think many guess it's not. I

2596
02:34:18.319 --> 02:34:20.200
did not love that. It's not
it's not PSO. Right, so exactly

2597
02:34:20.280 --> 02:34:26.399
what you was holding a copy of
PSO episode three Card Battle twenty four hours

2598
02:34:26.479 --> 02:34:31.559
ago. Man, thousands of hours
of PSO. That's Fortunately there are people

2599
02:34:31.639 --> 02:34:37.120
running private servers for PSO Blue Burst
on the PC if you wanted to easily

2600
02:34:37.200 --> 02:34:39.520
play with other humans and start over
from scratch, like they're editing some of

2601
02:34:39.520 --> 02:34:43.479
the drop tables and some of them
you level faster than you would in normal

2602
02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:46.760
vanilla PSO. You know there's still
there's still one Rappie, get my ninety

2603
02:34:46.840 --> 02:34:50.520
nine spread needle, yep, done
good, and then log out. It's

2604
02:34:50.600 --> 02:34:56.719
you've been I think the bigger question
for me here is who would steal a

2605
02:34:56.760 --> 02:35:01.520
game cube? Like? Why resale
value? Yeah? I sure, obviously

2606
02:35:01.600 --> 02:35:03.799
it's just sell it ten bucks for
that meth fiends, I guess yeah,

2607
02:35:03.959 --> 02:35:07.120
well does who would steal anything?
It does have that convenient handle on it.

2608
02:35:07.399 --> 02:35:11.079
Yeah, you just pick it up. This is like tanks man,

2609
02:35:11.200 --> 02:35:16.000
that's true. I was holding my
GameCube no less than twenty four hours ago.

2610
02:35:16.079 --> 02:35:20.200
I was putting it into a box. I was putting mine into a

2611
02:35:20.319 --> 02:35:22.559
shelf. I was taking mine off
of a shelf and putting it into a

2612
02:35:22.600 --> 02:35:26.040
box. Colors, you guys have
the wet orange or purple? I got

2613
02:35:26.079 --> 02:35:30.399
purple. I got platinum? Great
will PLATINU? Didnt platinum come later?

2614
02:35:30.559 --> 02:35:33.760
Yeah? Mine? The metallic gold? Was it? Was it just I

2615
02:35:33.799 --> 02:35:37.399
think we've had this conversation before.
It Was it just orange and purple at

2616
02:35:37.479 --> 02:35:41.280
launch? I think so? And
latinum was later around like metro orange was

2617
02:35:41.360 --> 02:35:43.840
not in the US. Yeah,
I thought it was just purple and black.

2618
02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:48.840
It was purple and blacker. Yeah, and then they did I went

2619
02:35:48.920 --> 02:35:54.879
black and then got it painted gold. Oh that was aftermarket? Is this

2620
02:35:54.959 --> 02:36:01.360
custom? Yeah? A company that
painted consoles wrote in and said, hey,

2621
02:36:01.440 --> 02:36:03.440
we'll paint a couple of consoles for
you if you want to test out

2622
02:36:03.440 --> 02:36:05.600
our service, and maybe right about
it, We're like, I don't know.

2623
02:36:05.479 --> 02:36:11.319
And then Ryan and I sent our
game teams in and got him painted.

2624
02:36:13.000 --> 02:36:15.680
And when they sent mine back,
the fan was not hooked up.

2625
02:36:15.920 --> 02:36:20.239
So I just discovered that by when
you turn it on to play. I

2626
02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:22.319
was I believe I was playing one
of these SmackDown games or whatever was coming

2627
02:36:22.319 --> 02:36:26.719
out on the Wrestling twenty one something
like that. Uh, and it just

2628
02:36:26.840 --> 02:36:30.399
kept overheating, overheating and just shutting
down. And I was like, well,

2629
02:36:30.399 --> 02:36:33.000
well fuck. They sent me back
a broken fucking game cube and I

2630
02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:35.479
took it apart and just saw that, like I just needed to clip the

2631
02:36:35.559 --> 02:36:41.440
fan back onto power and then it
was fine. I don't remember the name

2632
02:36:41.440 --> 02:36:46.239
of the company. There we go. We covered that all these years later,

2633
02:36:46.440 --> 02:36:48.120
years later, years our coverage of
Ye, sorry, I think I

2634
02:36:48.159 --> 02:36:50.280
was wrong. I think it was
Day of Reckoning. Might have been Day

2635
02:36:50.319 --> 02:36:58.559
Reckoning. Yeah, oh yeah yeah
Jac. Resting twenty one was the Xbox

2636
02:36:58.600 --> 02:37:01.959
game. Yeah it was terrible.
Yeah, Jac writes in about to Ball

2637
02:37:01.000 --> 02:37:07.879
two. Finally my favorite subjects.
Hey Brett and the Bombers. I have

2638
02:37:07.040 --> 02:37:09.079
heard that you may or may not
that is not here. We don't have

2639
02:37:09.680 --> 02:37:13.559
enough ads this week. Took some
time off. Yeah, he only comes

2640
02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:16.879
in to read the ad. Yep, I've heard it. You may or

2641
02:37:16.920 --> 02:37:22.639
may not be ranking all fighting games. I am unnaturally obsessed with grin cuts

2642
02:37:22.680 --> 02:37:26.639
and toe Ball two cool. I
bought a Japanese PlayStation just for this game,

2643
02:37:26.680 --> 02:37:28.840
and I think it's the best three
D fighter. It was my first

2644
02:37:28.920 --> 02:37:33.319
dualstick PlayStation game, sixty frames a
second and a great grappling system. I

2645
02:37:33.399 --> 02:37:37.760
even printed out a fact from the
net capitalizes the nets, so you know

2646
02:37:37.799 --> 02:37:41.559
he's serious, and played the excellent
quest with the fact for the movie the

2647
02:37:41.639 --> 02:37:43.479
Net. I don't really know what
that has to do with it, but

2648
02:37:43.680 --> 02:37:46.559
yeah, I mean they'll probably fit
on a floppy disc, right sure.

2649
02:37:48.280 --> 02:37:52.079
I even printed out a fact from
the net and played the excellent quest mode

2650
02:37:52.120 --> 02:37:54.600
and unlocked almost all of the fighters
and the choke a bo awesome. Yeah,

2651
02:37:54.920 --> 02:37:58.680
yeah, that quest it is cool. Yeah, that was neat a

2652
02:37:58.760 --> 02:38:01.799
fan translation of that game out there? Is it really? At the time?

2653
02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:03.360
I got ahold of that game when
it came out or the import,

2654
02:38:03.479 --> 02:38:07.600
you know, yeah, and was
super bummed that that quest mode seemed awesome.

2655
02:38:07.760 --> 02:38:11.079
Yeah, it is you try in
English? That was It's a it

2656
02:38:11.200 --> 02:38:13.920
is a roguelike thing. It's like, man like, I even think to

2657
02:38:15.079 --> 02:38:18.479
all number one is fucking awesome.
Yeah, like that game was so cool,

2658
02:38:18.559 --> 02:38:22.040
Like it looks so cool Nick.
Combat mechanics, Yeah, like the

2659
02:38:22.200 --> 02:38:24.479
fighting in that in those games,
especially the first one, just felt kind

2660
02:38:24.520 --> 02:38:28.040
of a little bit unlike any other
fighting game. I can remember clicking the

2661
02:38:28.040 --> 02:38:31.719
stick to throw fucking fireballs. Yeah
yeah. Character designs, the charactory,

2662
02:38:33.079 --> 02:38:35.840
Yeah yeah, I like the little
the spindley robots and all that stuff.

2663
02:38:35.879 --> 02:38:37.799
I just remember. I feel like
there was such a weight to the punches

2664
02:38:37.840 --> 02:38:41.040
and kicks, like the way that
you felt like you really were putting your

2665
02:38:41.239 --> 02:38:45.239
like your all your room behind your
when you did a roundhouse or whatever.

2666
02:38:45.399 --> 02:38:48.360
For me, it is a little
more accessible virtual fighter, like, yeah,

2667
02:38:48.520 --> 02:38:50.360
like it did. I felt like
that game. I don't know,

2668
02:38:50.479 --> 02:38:52.319
man, Like the grappling was so
crazy in that game, right, Like,

2669
02:38:52.639 --> 02:38:56.600
like I liked that part of it
was. There's like a struggling aspect

2670
02:38:56.639 --> 02:38:58.360
to it, right didn't you kind
of Yeah, I think so struggle you

2671
02:38:58.360 --> 02:39:01.079
can move around while you you had
them help you kind of kick them to

2672
02:39:01.200 --> 02:39:05.600
get them to shift them around back
and forth and try and position them for

2673
02:39:05.719 --> 02:39:07.799
like a ring out. I thought
that was nat I feel like at low

2674
02:39:07.959 --> 02:39:09.319
level, well, I don't know, maybe maybe we'll rank it as a

2675
02:39:09.360 --> 02:39:13.920
fighting game someday and we can have
this. But until yeah, I know

2676
02:39:13.040 --> 02:39:20.639
better than to ask this question without
you guys going through your appreciatingly scientific process,

2677
02:39:20.799 --> 02:39:24.639
right right, But he does say, I wonder where this gym sits

2678
02:39:24.680 --> 02:39:28.479
in the pantheon of fighting games.
I wonder, Yeah, I guess find

2679
02:39:28.520 --> 02:39:30.559
out. And then at the end
he says, and a totally on a

2680
02:39:30.600 --> 02:39:35.000
totally unrelated subject, how is the
PlayStation emulation scene? I think it's really

2681
02:39:35.159 --> 02:39:37.559
like gotten, that's n better,
right, it's quite a good like is

2682
02:39:37.600 --> 02:39:39.399
it is? It? Is it
practically like at equilibrium at this point?

2683
02:39:39.479 --> 02:39:43.840
Is it basically Done's ever done?
Because there still work? It's ever done.

2684
02:39:46.120 --> 02:39:48.079
But you know, like I think
the vast majority of games seem to

2685
02:39:48.159 --> 02:39:50.959
run well, they've gone down that
rabbit hole that a lot of N sixty

2686
02:39:52.000 --> 02:39:54.559
four stuff goes down where you can
run things at a higher resolution. And

2687
02:39:54.639 --> 02:39:58.399
then in those cases you run into
some situations where like you'll get black bars

2688
02:39:58.440 --> 02:40:01.760
on a thing because it's not the
textures don't line upright, or and it

2689
02:40:01.879 --> 02:40:05.399
wasn't meant to be seen at the
higher resolutions. It looks a little weird.

2690
02:40:05.559 --> 02:40:09.719
But you know, there's there's some
of that stuff does exist, and

2691
02:40:09.879 --> 02:40:15.319
it's interesting. I was wondering recently
because we're doing Middle Year scanaling four and

2692
02:40:15.479 --> 02:40:18.079
we got to the part and Meddle
Year four where you play a PS one

2693
02:40:18.159 --> 02:40:22.000
game on the PS three hardware,
and like, as it faded into it,

2694
02:40:22.200 --> 02:40:26.079
it was a longer loading time significantly, yes than usual, And I

2695
02:40:26.280 --> 02:40:28.239
was sitting there wondering, like,
is it actually in the background having to

2696
02:40:28.440 --> 02:40:33.360
boot up a PlayStation emulator because the
load afterwards? Right, well, yeah,

2697
02:40:33.399 --> 02:40:37.280
I mean whatever, they it's not. I mean that thing is custom

2698
02:40:37.319 --> 02:40:39.680
built for MGS four, right,
it's not. I mean they have to

2699
02:40:39.840 --> 02:40:43.600
like load all new stuff because none
of those assets are going to be in

2700
02:40:43.719 --> 02:40:48.040
memory cash already. But it's not
like you're I don't think that's an emulation

2701
02:40:48.079 --> 02:40:50.440
of MGS one. I mean in
terms of look and feel and everything.

2702
02:40:50.479 --> 02:40:54.479
I mean, it's virtually identical,
and I'm sure that's you know, they're

2703
02:40:54.520 --> 02:40:58.760
able to duplicate that, but but
I doubt that they are emulating a PlayStation

2704
02:40:58.799 --> 02:41:03.559
one behind the scenes. That does
super far fetched. But I totally agree

2705
02:41:03.600 --> 02:41:05.120
with you. There is an extended
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2706
02:41:05.200 --> 02:41:09.280
before and after. I don't I
don't know for sure, Like, yeah,

2707
02:41:09.319 --> 02:41:11.479
if anything, that would have to
be software based because the PS one

2708
02:41:11.559 --> 02:41:15.239
emulation was like taken out of later
models of right, wasn't I thought that

2709
02:41:15.319 --> 02:41:22.239
was just PS two. Yeah,
can runs bad, Huh. I wonder

2710
02:41:22.360 --> 02:41:24.840
if they were able to leverage in
it that hardware or yeah, if it

2711
02:41:24.959 --> 02:41:28.920
was all just custom done, I
would assume it would be custom Yeah,

2712
02:41:28.959 --> 02:41:31.639
but I don't know. Yeah,
just for that brief, like minute long

2713
02:41:31.639 --> 02:41:35.319
a joke. Yeah, it's a
good joke. It's it's a real good

2714
02:41:35.360 --> 02:41:39.760
one. It's it's really good.
My cousin, who I've mentioned before,

2715
02:41:39.799 --> 02:41:43.319
who bought the p S three recently
just to play that game, is basically

2716
02:41:43.440 --> 02:41:46.440
playing it in tandem with you guys
without even realizing it. Like he has

2717
02:41:46.520 --> 02:41:48.479
no like he just doesn't watch the
series or like anything on the site really,

2718
02:41:48.600 --> 02:41:52.319
but like it is like right at
all. Well, he might be

2719
02:41:52.399 --> 02:41:54.959
a little further than you guys now. I think he's in act five watching

2720
02:41:54.000 --> 02:41:56.600
it now. I'm getting so much
more of an appreciation for four than I

2721
02:41:56.639 --> 02:42:00.399
had when it first came out.
I think I was just I played too

2722
02:42:00.440 --> 02:42:01.799
long, you know, like i'd
played for like eight hours straight, you

2723
02:42:01.840 --> 02:42:03.440
know, when the night it came
out, and I think just so much

2724
02:42:03.479 --> 02:42:07.159
stuff was getting thrown at me that
I didn't really take it all in watching

2725
02:42:07.200 --> 02:42:11.200
it now and knowing that the broad
strokes, uh, it really does everything

2726
02:42:11.479 --> 02:42:15.959
really well story wise. It's not
nearly as complicated as I remember it being.

2727
02:42:16.319 --> 02:42:18.440
Yeah, no, I mean it's
you know, towards the end,

2728
02:42:18.479 --> 02:42:20.600
I think it starts to dump a
lot of fucking dumb info on you.

2729
02:42:20.799 --> 02:42:24.639
But but most of it at least
makes sense to were like in my head

2730
02:42:24.680 --> 02:42:26.479
for a long times, like,
Okay, I know the basic stuff that

2731
02:42:26.479 --> 02:42:28.639
happened in that game. Boh,
yeah, what the fuck was going on

2732
02:42:28.760 --> 02:42:31.680
there? But watching Drew play it
again, it's very the convoluted fucking mess.

2733
02:42:31.959 --> 02:42:35.920
How can you call it? I
understand the entirety of that game,

2734
02:42:35.959 --> 02:42:41.280
that entire series. G W,
yes, right, he's GW is run

2735
02:42:41.360 --> 02:42:43.879
by John Doe, and if they
take down John Doe, then g W

2736
02:42:45.079 --> 02:42:48.040
takes priority number one. Oh they've
got a nuke, GIMS nuke John Doe,

2737
02:42:48.120 --> 02:42:52.000
which is AI. Yeah, you
got a nuke the AI. Wait

2738
02:42:52.040 --> 02:42:56.079
I thought g W was the AI. GW is the one that Oslot has

2739
02:42:56.159 --> 02:43:00.760
control of, But it is an
AI, right, it is. They're

2740
02:43:01.760 --> 02:43:07.200
different. John Doe is the overseer
AI, that oversees the other ones in

2741
02:43:07.319 --> 02:43:11.399
the Patriots system. But GW was
the number two. So if he can

2742
02:43:11.520 --> 02:43:16.440
nuke John Doe Osla would have control
of the entire system because the priority of

2743
02:43:16.479 --> 02:43:20.360
GW would get bumped up one.
Bear in mind, it's a literal nuke,

2744
02:43:20.559 --> 02:43:24.200
not like he's like he's gonna say
nuclear missile, a nuclear missile at

2745
02:43:24.200 --> 02:43:30.559
an AI. Take that computer,
Nana machine computers and holy shit, I

2746
02:43:30.680 --> 02:43:33.600
was about to say, every time
I looked over Jason shoulder in the control

2747
02:43:33.719 --> 02:43:35.280
room and seeing you guys playing that
game, it makes me want a little

2748
02:43:35.280 --> 02:43:39.120
bit more to fire it back up
now this conversation, I don't know,

2749
02:43:39.200 --> 02:43:41.319
it's great. It's great. I
don't know it's so good. Don't never

2750
02:43:41.399 --> 02:43:43.680
sell it. I feel I feel
like it's a great game. It is

2751
02:43:43.719 --> 02:43:48.200
a great game. But you were
talking about like everything it makes it ties

2752
02:43:48.239 --> 02:43:52.399
everything together. Yeah, the right
dow. Many loose ends existed in that

2753
02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:56.479
story after two, and they tied
them all up, even the tiny little

2754
02:43:56.479 --> 02:44:01.040
ones like Olga Kid. It's masterfully
done. Stalkers mess Man, Yeah,

2755
02:44:01.079 --> 02:44:07.479
that game is Stalkers Stokers. If
anything is good, Lord, also on

2756
02:44:07.520 --> 02:44:11.559
the spectrum, I would play that
game. Oh speaking to the spectrum.

2757
02:44:13.600 --> 02:44:16.200
Maybe maybe a different spectrum does the
x One. Oh that's the same one.

2758
02:44:16.639 --> 02:44:18.639
Okay I had. I had a
really good email, and I don't

2759
02:44:18.639 --> 02:44:22.920
think I put it in here about
Damn. I'm I'm pretty sure I left

2760
02:44:22.920 --> 02:44:26.879
it out about Rare replay because apparently
they had done a bunch of streams leading

2761
02:44:26.959 --> 02:44:30.840
up to the release of that thing
where they talked a lot about, like,

2762
02:44:31.600 --> 02:44:33.920
you know, a bunch of the
work they did on it, and

2763
02:44:33.040 --> 02:44:37.760
like even their selection process for what
games made it in because because apparently apparently

2764
02:44:37.879 --> 02:44:41.159
Rare has put out over one hundred
and twenty games over the years, so

2765
02:44:41.360 --> 02:44:46.200
they actually had a ship ton to
choose from. Maybe I'll try to pull

2766
02:44:46.239 --> 02:44:48.159
that one for next week. Also, the Grab Grab by the Goolies is

2767
02:44:48.159 --> 02:44:50.920
the only game in that collection that
was actually poorted to the Xbox One.

2768
02:44:52.719 --> 02:44:54.559
Like that is a native version of
that game. That makes sense, which

2769
02:44:54.600 --> 02:45:01.840
is why it looks so good.
Let's see, how about an email from

2770
02:45:03.920 --> 02:45:09.040
they made a game called Cookie,
Rare did, Yeah, I should play

2771
02:45:09.079 --> 02:45:13.479
Cookie. They made a game called
to trans Am with a Z Okay,

2772
02:45:16.239 --> 02:45:18.920
yeah, I don't know any other
way to spell it. It's a big

2773
02:45:18.959 --> 02:45:24.200
catalog that they have. Next email
from Aaron, Hello, bomtastic, very

2774
02:45:24.239 --> 02:45:30.200
fantastic. Let's cut to it.
I fucking love Viva Pinata word right there

2775
02:45:30.280 --> 02:45:33.360
with you. I remember working my
way through all the achievements on the original

2776
02:45:33.440 --> 02:45:37.600
except the fifty hour one because I
could never be bothered to leave my console

2777
02:45:37.680 --> 02:45:41.559
on overnight. Come on, Uh, that being said, do that?

2778
02:45:41.760 --> 02:45:45.760
How do you get right? But
the one that requires the least effort on

2779
02:45:45.840 --> 02:45:48.600
your part just leaving on for dam
because you probably played forty hours just leaving

2780
02:45:48.639 --> 02:45:52.719
on. Yeah, seriously, that
being said, I remember the inordinate amount

2781
02:45:52.719 --> 02:45:58.360
of hours my at the time girlfriend
put into trouble in Paradise. Her goal

2782
02:45:58.520 --> 02:46:05.000
was to attain the almost chelodic Checklodocus. I think it's like the plodocus,

2783
02:46:05.520 --> 02:46:09.559
a pinata that is basically a dinosaur
that looked cool as fuck. She wanted

2784
02:46:09.639 --> 02:46:13.920
not just any Panada, however,
she wanted one of the limited edition ones

2785
02:46:13.000 --> 02:46:16.600
that were granted to the first one
thousand or so players who were to attain

2786
02:46:16.680 --> 02:46:22.000
this feed in the game. Yeah. My question is will this legendary special

2787
02:46:22.159 --> 02:46:26.360
be in rare replay or is it
gone forever? It's runs on a three

2788
02:46:26.440 --> 02:46:30.120
sixties so it would you know,
those people already got it. It's the

2789
02:46:30.200 --> 02:46:33.719
same game. Yeah, so those
those people have had that pinada for years

2790
02:46:33.760 --> 02:46:37.200
at this point, right, that's
gone by it Chi No, I have

2791
02:46:37.280 --> 02:46:39.239
no idea. Yeah, it could
have been by achievements or something. I

2792
02:46:39.239 --> 02:46:41.959
don't. I don't remember actually remember
that. Yeah, I don't. I

2793
02:46:41.000 --> 02:46:43.479
want to go lick this up now. I don't remember hearing about that pinada

2794
02:46:43.479 --> 02:46:48.000
when that game came out. I
did see some people saying that, remember

2795
02:46:48.040 --> 02:46:50.680
how Trouble and Paradise let you scan
was it? Was it QR codes or

2796
02:46:50.719 --> 02:46:54.360
something else? Did it? Yeah? Yeah? How did I not get

2797
02:46:54.440 --> 02:46:56.479
you? Dude? I got so
many fucking extra piniadas just by like cards

2798
02:46:56.520 --> 02:47:00.840
going around on the internet and scanning
them on the was preconnect though, so

2799
02:47:00.879 --> 02:47:05.680
it was using the Xbox Vision camera, which backwards compatibility does not support at

2800
02:47:05.719 --> 02:47:09.840
all on the Xbox One, nor
does it let you like use the connect

2801
02:47:09.879 --> 02:47:13.440
as a surrogate. Okay, so
all of the cards scanning mechanics and Trouble

2802
02:47:13.479 --> 02:47:20.639
in Paradise are just gone or non
functional, at least in Trouble in Paradise.

2803
02:47:20.799 --> 02:47:26.280
Yeah, it was great. It
felt it felt like cheating, sure,

2804
02:47:26.440 --> 02:47:30.079
like because that whole game is built
around you customizing in your garden and

2805
02:47:30.200 --> 02:47:33.600
just the right way to get certain
pinadas to show up. And if you

2806
02:47:33.680 --> 02:47:35.760
could instead just wave a card it's
camera and get the pinata that way.

2807
02:47:35.840 --> 02:47:39.319
It was like, Yeah, it
trivialized a lot of what you played that

2808
02:47:39.399 --> 02:47:41.840
game for. To be honest,
that's why you need to put in different

2809
02:47:41.920 --> 02:47:48.520
CDs like a Monster. It's cool. God, dude, fucking I would

2810
02:47:48.559 --> 02:47:52.920
cut off my big toe for an
Xbox one Viva Pinata. I would cut

2811
02:47:52.959 --> 02:47:58.239
off Brad's other big toes for an
Xbox and offer up my toes for the

2812
02:47:58.280 --> 02:48:01.440
good of all new Monster. Andrew
just put USB sticks in. Yep,

2813
02:48:03.200 --> 02:48:09.079
what it's not the same? Hold
up different ship to the camera. There's

2814
02:48:09.120 --> 02:48:13.239
a pillow. Yeah, here's a
sandwich running and just running through deep dream

2815
02:48:13.319 --> 02:48:16.120
or something which gets you some super
cool shit. I'm not gonna tell you

2816
02:48:16.239 --> 02:48:24.159
what. How about like two more
emails? Maybe here we go Ryan from

2817
02:48:24.200 --> 02:48:28.319
Utah and for Dan from the Overblood
Facebook group. Wow, hey whatever that

2818
02:48:28.360 --> 02:48:31.520
means. Yeah, it's a secret
society. Okay, I don't worry about

2819
02:48:31.520 --> 02:48:35.600
it all right. On last week's
podcast, you Guys talked about the Halo

2820
02:48:35.680 --> 02:48:39.440
Wars two announcement. As soon as
Brad read the title, you all proceeded

2821
02:48:39.479 --> 02:48:43.040
to burst into laugh ter sy I'm
doing it again, then followed it up

2822
02:48:43.120 --> 02:48:46.120
talking about how it's so unexpected,
unneeded, and nobody wanted it. I'm

2823
02:48:46.159 --> 02:48:50.319
just confused about why you guys feel
that way about it. I haven't gotten

2824
02:48:50.319 --> 02:48:54.159
around Halo Halo haloers, haven't gotten
around to Halo Wars yet. But as

2825
02:48:54.159 --> 02:48:56.959
a big fan of the Halo series
in general and someone that follows the Halo

2826
02:48:58.040 --> 02:49:00.959
community, I can tell you that
Halo will it, God damn it,

2827
02:49:01.200 --> 02:49:05.639
keep doing it. I can tell
you that Halo Wars has a rather strong

2828
02:49:05.760 --> 02:49:09.840
falling and fans have been hoping for
a sequel for years. The post on

2829
02:49:09.920 --> 02:49:13.959
the Halo subreddit announcing Halo Halo Wars
two has about three thousand up votes.

2830
02:49:13.319 --> 02:49:16.040
People are clearly excited for it.
I guess my question is, am I

2831
02:49:16.200 --> 02:49:20.120
living in a Halo vacuum? Are
you guys really out of touch with the

2832
02:49:20.159 --> 02:49:22.959
Halo community or is it some combination
of the two. Was your reaction to

2833
02:49:24.079 --> 02:49:28.239
the Halo Wars two announcement common in
the gaming community as a whole. I

2834
02:49:28.360 --> 02:49:31.920
definitely heard from some other people that
were like what the fuck. Yeah,

2835
02:49:33.280 --> 02:49:35.360
they were like actually straight up negative
about it, And for me, it's

2836
02:49:35.399 --> 02:49:39.879
just like that's a crazy move.
It was, especially at the end of

2837
02:49:39.079 --> 02:49:43.319
YEA, it has nothing to do
with the quality of the original Halo Wars.

2838
02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:46.000
It's more like, hey, we're
making another RTS out of Halo,

2839
02:49:46.159 --> 02:49:48.319
right, really, Like for me, I mean yeah, I think,

2840
02:49:48.360 --> 02:49:50.319
I think, I like we were
dumbfounded just by how like what a crazy

2841
02:49:50.360 --> 02:49:54.079
curveball. It was more than anything, like if you go back and look

2842
02:49:54.120 --> 02:49:56.719
at that stream, like I'm pretty
sure we said straight up the idea of

2843
02:49:56.799 --> 02:50:01.719
creative assembly making a Halo RTS sound
kind of awesome. Yeah, but for

2844
02:50:01.840 --> 02:50:07.840
me, as much as anything else, like fucking Microsoft like dropped Halo Wars

2845
02:50:09.159 --> 02:50:11.360
like a ton of bricks, likely
after it came out, right like they

2846
02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:15.120
were not like they put out some
DLC for it, probably because it was

2847
02:50:15.159 --> 02:50:18.520
already in the roadmap, but like, yeah, you like, do you

2848
02:50:18.600 --> 02:50:20.959
remember the ensemble ceased to exist at
a certain point after that, right,

2849
02:50:22.079 --> 02:50:24.719
like the develop they shut down the
developer that made Halo Wars. Yeah,

2850
02:50:24.840 --> 02:50:28.719
Like it wasn't some like watershed moment
in the history of the Xbox three sixty

2851
02:50:28.920 --> 02:50:31.879
like there was not much rejoicing and
partying in the streets when Halo Wars came

2852
02:50:31.920 --> 02:50:35.239
out, right, like, it
just did not seem like something that would

2853
02:50:35.239 --> 02:50:39.040
ever see the light of day again. Yeah, it's not at all to

2854
02:50:39.120 --> 02:50:41.520
say that I knew when can't be
good or something, right, it's just

2855
02:50:41.680 --> 02:50:50.639
weird, super weird. Yeah.
Uh, searching for the last email and

2856
02:50:50.760 --> 02:50:54.399
here it is Chris from Minneapolis.
Yay, it's got some things to say

2857
02:50:54.479 --> 02:51:00.319
about Burdo like hewn Man, Yeah, that's great and other weird fansies.

2858
02:51:01.440 --> 02:51:03.760
After listening to last week's podcast discussion
about Burto, I had to look up

2859
02:51:03.840 --> 02:51:07.559
the hole. I had to look
up what the hole in his head actually

2860
02:51:07.760 --> 02:51:11.120
is. Fan theory claims that it
is, I hope I'm saying this right,

2861
02:51:11.200 --> 02:51:16.159
a klowaka a multi purpose orifice for
eating, digesting, defecating, and

2862
02:51:16.479 --> 02:51:24.879
mating. The fan theory also states
that because Berto is actually male, those

2863
02:51:24.920 --> 02:51:31.520
are not actually eggs coming out of
his orifice m kidney stones right. Though

2864
02:51:31.600 --> 02:51:37.159
after researching in sneer quotes this,
I fell into a spiral of reading various

2865
02:51:37.200 --> 02:51:43.799
fan theories about other Nintendo characters,
such as Mario is not a person but

2866
02:51:43.879 --> 02:51:48.520
a race of people. Mario was
never is never reincarnated through extra lives there,

2867
02:51:48.559 --> 02:51:52.879
Italian Yeah and Booze are just ghosts
of dead Mario's killed throughout the game.

2868
02:51:54.200 --> 02:51:58.159
Next theory, you could make a
fun jpeg of that theory and write

2869
02:51:58.200 --> 02:52:01.639
text on it and send it around
to people. You could do that,

2870
02:52:03.760 --> 02:52:07.360
forward it to all of your friends
and they'll send it along too. Luigi

2871
02:52:07.479 --> 02:52:11.040
dies in Luigi's mansion. There's another
fan theory. I'll never believe that that

2872
02:52:11.280 --> 02:52:15.040
that he uncovered, never ever believe
that they made a sequel. I mean

2873
02:52:16.159 --> 02:52:20.600
they did make You're right, Luigi
SE's dead people see yeah, little Mac

2874
02:52:20.719 --> 02:52:26.000
is a dying Make a Wish kid. That's just that's a terrible That's pretty

2875
02:52:26.040 --> 02:52:28.440
bad, right, Hey man,
I didn't I don't think the Make a

2876
02:52:28.440 --> 02:52:33.440
Wish would go for that. Brad, I can't believe you came up putting

2877
02:52:33.440 --> 02:52:37.159
this one all on Nintendo fans and
my personal favorite. While Luigi being a

2878
02:52:37.280 --> 02:52:43.239
clone of a derivative of a copy
of Mario doesn't really exist and is Luigi's

2879
02:52:43.239 --> 02:52:46.040
imaginary friend whom all the other characters
just go along with because they feel sorry

2880
02:52:46.079 --> 02:52:50.479
for it's they perfected it. He's
the solidest snake of the Mario like it

2881
02:52:50.600 --> 02:52:52.799
was the perfect clone of Mario.
Okay, like the failed ones were like

2882
02:52:52.879 --> 02:52:56.920
Luigi and Warrio, they were the
solid and liquid. Yeah, Mario's big

2883
02:52:58.000 --> 02:53:01.360
boss, while Luigi has gotta be
the all of this. He's the president.

2884
02:53:01.200 --> 02:53:07.079
Think Luigi is a clone if we're
just spending off of the Mario and

2885
02:53:07.159 --> 02:53:13.280
Luigi were grown in the test tube? Is that what you're Jeff, Jeff,

2886
02:53:13.319 --> 02:53:16.879
Jeff said you wanted to see the
Mario series go in a completely different

2887
02:53:16.920 --> 02:53:18.399
direction. You're going forward, and
I think this is a good roadmap.

2888
02:53:18.680 --> 02:53:24.479
If you plug the controller into port
two, you can jump underneath the goombas

2889
02:53:24.520 --> 02:53:30.559
to kill them too. Get to
me, sneak you all right, boy?

2890
02:53:30.760 --> 02:53:33.920
Yeah, that's a good note to
go out on for sure. BombCast

2891
02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:37.000
John bomb dot com. Shut this
fucking thing down. We're out of here.

2892
02:53:39.440 --> 02:53:41.360
Uh, stay tuned for some stuff
on the site this week. I'll

2893
02:53:41.399 --> 02:53:45.239
metal gear every day this week.
Yes, you're standing a week. You

2894
02:53:45.319 --> 02:53:50.680
guys are pounding metal gear out.
Good stuff in longer episodes, well,

2895
02:53:50.760 --> 02:53:54.120
story heavy episodes. A lot of
watching going on, Yeah, trying to

2896
02:53:54.159 --> 02:53:58.719
cover some territory, A whole lot
of watching going on. Threat on the

2897
02:53:58.760 --> 02:54:03.079
boards about our pre packs event on
the Thursday night before packs. There's also

2898
02:54:03.079 --> 02:54:05.879
a Facebook event for that thing that
you can find on our Facebook page,

2899
02:54:05.879 --> 02:54:09.680
I guess which is called Giant Bomb
I think right. That is the website

2900
02:54:11.000 --> 02:54:15.159
and the Facebook page that pre pre
packs events. Man, that's sold out

2901
02:54:15.360 --> 02:54:16.879
real quick. Yeah, we had
a we weren't even charging money for it.

2902
02:54:18.760 --> 02:54:20.079
But yeah, so yeah, that
list filled up quickly. But that's

2903
02:54:20.399 --> 02:54:24.440
there's still you know, that's that's
not the full capacity. So if people

2904
02:54:24.440 --> 02:54:28.600
want to come, yeah, after
that, Yeah, then the main thing

2905
02:54:28.680 --> 02:54:33.200
happens and everybody's welcome. Cool,
come on down. Excellent, that's gonna

2906
02:54:33.200 --> 02:54:35.840
be I think we should probably we
could probably start talking about some of the

2907
02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:39.840
other stuff we're gonna be doing it
packs. Yeah, I'm not ready at

2908
02:54:39.879 --> 02:54:43.360
this point. Oh yeah, what
you got far enough into these production meetings

2909
02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:46.399
that it's just gonna happen one way
or the other to kill it. If

2910
02:54:46.440 --> 02:54:48.239
you say it now, it's relate
to kill it. So I'll say it.

2911
02:54:48.319 --> 02:54:52.360
Me saying it doesn't actually put us
on the record, because we're already

2912
02:54:52.440 --> 02:54:56.959
on the record internally. We are
gonna play Mario Party five live in front

2913
02:54:58.120 --> 02:55:03.280
of an audience. The Parlor Live, fifty turns. Yeah, does this

2914
02:55:03.399 --> 02:55:07.120
one do fifty? I heard that
at a certain point, but they stopped

2915
02:55:07.159 --> 02:55:09.520
doing yeah in a sense, so
I think like nine or ten, they

2916
02:55:09.559 --> 02:55:11.639
might have got weird at that.
But then again, I didn't play a

2917
02:55:11.680 --> 02:55:13.000
lot of five or six. I
have no idea about any of the Mario

2918
02:55:13.040 --> 02:55:16.920
parties other than they're all garbage.
So this is not the microphone one.

2919
02:55:16.040 --> 02:55:18.319
Right, that's six. That's six, okay, So this is going to

2920
02:55:18.360 --> 02:55:22.360
be the official Mario Party party.
Five. This is a this is a

2921
02:55:22.440 --> 02:55:24.680
real, this is it. It's
the if you've seen the first four,

2922
02:55:26.280 --> 02:55:33.159
see it live. You can root
on your favorite Sperio. You can yell

2923
02:55:33.639 --> 02:55:37.840
why would you do this to yourselves? And now us from the audience.

2924
02:55:37.000 --> 02:55:41.280
I want everyone to get their chance. Ready, Oh they're clever wrestling inspired

2925
02:55:41.319 --> 02:55:45.959
Mario Party chance or they're clever Mario
bartn party inspired wrestling signs. Yes,

2926
02:55:46.239 --> 02:55:50.520
yes, this sounds like my dream
it was you have shitty dreams, Dan

2927
02:55:50.639 --> 02:55:54.959
record. I'm gonna have to get
I'm gonna have to get very drunk during

2928
02:55:54.040 --> 02:56:00.920
this thing. Yeah, it's also
early enough that bad choice. Yeah,

2929
02:56:01.159 --> 02:56:03.959
and everything about this is I will
get the times on the side at some

2930
02:56:05.040 --> 02:56:07.600
point that move around. I thought
that later. I have no idea,

2931
02:56:07.920 --> 02:56:09.680
I mean, anything about packs other
than like, we're doing a bunch of

2932
02:56:09.680 --> 02:56:13.280
stuff. Last I heard it was
at four on Friday. They we're taking

2933
02:56:13.319 --> 02:56:15.440
over the YouTube stage for a couple
of hours. I don't know what we're

2934
02:56:15.440 --> 02:56:18.079
gonna put on there yet. Can
we talk about the other coasts plans or

2935
02:56:18.200 --> 02:56:22.479
is that for them to that's for
them, They're they're doing some stuff too.

2936
02:56:22.120 --> 02:56:24.760
Yeah, but yeah, we're doing
a handful of things at that theater

2937
02:56:24.840 --> 02:56:28.040
over the course of packs. So
we'll have details on that as soon as

2938
02:56:28.280 --> 02:56:33.360
yeah, uh, some other stuff. It clicks all over the site this

2939
02:56:33.479 --> 02:56:37.440
week planned out a bunch of them, you guys, might I might rank

2940
02:56:37.520 --> 02:56:46.639
some fighting games plan on Wednesday.
We'll see about that. No, I

2941
02:56:46.719 --> 02:56:52.000
can confirm that we've already chosen the
games. Did you ever accept guests on

2942
02:56:52.079 --> 02:56:56.120
that thing? I don't know.
We talked about it. We're maybe I

2943
02:56:56.120 --> 02:57:00.559
don't want to influence your decision making
process. I mean, it's gonna be

2944
02:57:00.600 --> 02:57:05.520
hard getting anyone who adhere to our
strict scientific method. Yeah, they're going

2945
02:57:05.600 --> 02:57:07.680
to bring their own biases into it. We have to make sure that douse

2946
02:57:07.719 --> 02:57:13.319
they just want to come buy for
like color commentary or something that maybe then

2947
02:57:13.399 --> 02:57:15.879
okay, all right, what if
the guests is not allowed to talk while

2948
02:57:15.920 --> 02:57:18.399
you were making your decisions at the
end. Yeah, that might. If

2949
02:57:18.559 --> 02:57:22.440
this was just not allowed to talk, then Dan would be welcome. Okay,

2950
02:57:22.959 --> 02:57:26.959
I just want to play to the
ball now. Well, at some

2951
02:57:26.079 --> 02:57:30.520
point we will play the toe ball
games. All right, that's for another

2952
02:57:30.600 --> 02:57:33.879
day, I guess. But for
now, let's put an end of this

2953
02:57:33.920 --> 02:57:37.920
podcast and go live our lives and
we'll crank out some more content this week

2954
02:57:39.079 --> 02:57:43.239
and bring you another Giant Bomb cast
the same time next week. See then,