WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:21.679 Second hour of the program. Welcome back. Every week you see these Major 2 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:26.239 League Baseball rankings, and I'm sure there are parts of you that go here, 3 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.320 we go it. Usually it comes out on Tuesday, So we'll get 4 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:35.119 to that tomorrow, no doubt. Maybe it comes out a little bit later 5 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:39.920 on today. But and you know, again, these things are so damn 6 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:46.240 subjective. But you and I both know if you and I sat down, 7 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.960 we could pretty much guess who we consider to be the top five teams in 8 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.960 baseball, whether they're playing well or not. We get a pretty good idea 9 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:59.840 this late in a season. It's not like you could do this in week 10 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:04.640 three. You just don't know yet. But last week this is what caught 11 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:08.879 my eye from the Athletic, where they ranked the Tigers twenty fifth. Again 12 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:15.319 things have changed slightly, not much, but slightly, and they were predicting 13 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:23.319 trade deadlines and they had for the Tigers trade deadline prediction one more big sale. 14 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.959 I didn't know whether to take this Trent as a negative or a positive, 15 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.359 And let me read it to you, says it's a crying shame when 16 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.319 a starter has a cy Young Award caliber season for a team with no realistic 17 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.400 shot at the postseason. As with Trek School and the Tigers, they will 18 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:47.040 be selling again this summer, and they and their fans hope this is the 19 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:52.079 last one before the franchise becomes a contender once again. That's the thing that 20 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:57.120 gave me slight hope this is the last time we have to go through this. 21 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:04.319 I would caution that writer, or anybody who believes in this writing that 22 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.439 just because you trade something doesn't mean you're always getting something well in return. 23 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:14.759 Tigers fans know that, we should We should know that by now all too 24 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:20.199 well. They continue and say Jack Flaherty will surely be on the move as 25 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:27.840 a coveted rental starter. So they're not suggesting scooble, they're suggesting flarity, 26 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.680 which you and I think makes a lot of sense, right, Okay, 27 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:37.159 yes, Then they write veterans Mark Canna, Carson Kelly, Andrew Chaffin and 28 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:42.199 Shelby Miller could go to Canna's on that one year deal, No big deal. 29 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.080 Carson Kelly's got another year left at his contract. Chaffin and Miller on 30 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:52.240 one year deals, or actually I think I think Chaffin's on a two year 31 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.159 deal. Anyway, it says the Tigers aren't likely to trade anyone under long 32 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:02.560 term contracts. Well, no kidding, that's because they're crappy contracts. Javier 33 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.360 Bias is essentially untradeable. The likeliest outcome is Detroit eating his contract at some 34 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:15.159 point. I always kind of smirk. I suppose there are suckers out there, 35 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:23.159 you know, somebody's taking somebody's bad contract. There's plenty of bad contracts 36 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.800 in all of sports that have been acquired by other teams, you know what 37 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:37.199 I mean. I mean it's hard to fathom certain contracts that other teams would 38 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:44.919 actually take on just to get another player right all time, bad contracts. 39 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:47.759 You can look him up and you can find a ton of them. But 40 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:53.879 I don't think anyone's taking Javier Bias. I just don't. I don't think 41 00:03:53.919 --> 00:04:00.319 anyone's taking Anthony Wrendon, for example. But think about it. I mean, 42 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.879 somebody took John Carlos Stanton's contract. And I'm not saying he's a bad 43 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:12.719 player. He's had a lot of injuries, that's for sure. But somebody 44 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:18.800 took his contract. The Yankees did. Miami gave it to him, and 45 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:26.920 then somebody took it as in New York. Would you consider Trevor Story's contract 46 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.319 six years, one hundred and forty million dollars for Boston, and he hasn't 47 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.839 done anything. He's been health unhealthy, that's the problem. But ninety four 48 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:41.319 games in twenty twenty two, surgery on a UCLA ucl rather in January of 49 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.120 twenty twenty three, didn't make a return to August and then continues to be 50 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:51.800 a problem. There's Chris Bryant's got a bad contract. I think you get 51 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:57.480 my point. Somebody's willing to take some bad contracts, so maybe, just 52 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:02.959 maybe you could have to pay some of it. In other words, eat 53 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.000 some of it, and somebody might take it. But I doubt it. 54 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:12.319 I just don't see that happening. But my fascination with the article was more 55 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:18.160 about Canna, Kelly, Chaffin, and Miller. It does show you that 56 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:27.800 no team feels still strong enough about their bullpen until they cover just about every 57 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:32.360 possible scenario. So I could see Chaffin and Miller going somewhere for sure. 58 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.959 Kelly's a pretty reliable defensive catcher. Doesn't give you much offensively, but he 59 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:46.000 could help a team as a backup catcher. And I suppose Canna as a 60 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.040 quote end quote professional hitter. We haven't seen that yet, per se. 61 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:56.079 Not that I have anything against Mark Canna, because I really actually liked him 62 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:00.839 in Oakland. I thought he was pretty damn good. There really pay off 63 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:02.800 for the Mets that much, and so far you would have to say that 64 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.439 in Detroit and a guy who's batten two twenty five with very little power, 65 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:12.199 it hasn't paid off for the Tigers either. I think the key is the 66 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.040 first two you mentioned, because that being relievers, because I think that is 67 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.279 one of those areas we see it every year. We saw it last year 68 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:24.199 when the Tigers sold Lorenzen. It's that's what a team hoping to make a 69 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:28.959 push or maybe they're in a pennant race. You can always use another arm 70 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.279 in the bullpen. Absolutely, and I agree one hundred percent with you. 71 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:43.600 But let me ask you this. Do you remember what the Tigers got for 72 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.720 Michael Lorenzen? I do not, not off the top of my head. 73 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.519 And therein lies part of the issue. Sure, okay, and this is 74 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.439 not by the way, that's not a knock on you, But nobody knows 75 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:01.560 who how you Lee is because that's what they got. They got a young 76 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:09.079 I don't know how good he is. But they got a young infielder, 77 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:15.920 versatile infielder, by the way, for Michael Lorenzo. How you Lee was 78 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:23.319 correct? Me if I'm wrong here, Trent Philadelphia's number five prospect in their 79 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:28.279 system YEP. Twenty years old. He enters the Tigers organization as the number 80 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:35.000 six prospect last season when they acquired him. Okay, so is he the 81 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:40.839 guy? Is he a guy I should say? Who you think this team 82 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:46.639 will be able to build around? I don't know. It's to me that 83 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:53.399 it's a little bit too far to look ahead. I guess my point though, 84 00:07:54.360 --> 00:08:03.639 is this is what we'll use examples of past trades, guys who have 85 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:09.079 moved on. We forget what we received in return. I'm not saying it. 86 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:15.319 They shouldn't have created Michael Lorenzen, Absolutely they should have. I don't 87 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.240 know what they could have gotten for him. We don't know the offers. 88 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.920 And Lee is off to a it's no longer a start. He's playing well 89 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.439 in Eerie. He's been a double A all year long, and he's hitting 90 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.399 almost three hundred. He's not going to be a guy who hits for power. 91 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:37.840 He never has. What position is he playing well? He's playing some 92 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.679 different positions. He's played some second sixty two games there, he's played some 93 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:48.679 third and where is seven games there? Where have you noticed where it seems 94 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.120 like a lot of Detroit's young prospects play second base. Yeah, and with 95 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.039 Colt Keith kind of coming on strong here with a heater in early July, 96 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.720 which is a welcome sign, you know. I mean everyone's happy to see 97 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:07.320 that, for sure. Yeah, but that's offensively right. When I think 98 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.519 of Cole Keith, I think of exactly what you said earlier in the six 99 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:20.679 o'clock hour draft and develop well, they drafted him, they're developing him. 100 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.960 I've said this from the very beginning when people were, oh my god, 101 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.360 you know he's not very good, I said, he's going to hit. 102 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:33.200 Guys like that who have hit at every level, don't just stop. He's 103 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.919 good enough. The question is whether or not he's going to be good enough 104 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:41.480 defensively. That's where I want to see the development. He was a high 105 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:48.960 schooler man, so he's been pretty damn good. I never lost confidence in 106 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:56.080 him in that regard. 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You possibly can follow 149 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:33.120 us on x Exes and Bros. And here's the question, Most Underrated Lion, 150 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:41.759 Jamiir Gibbs, Frank Ragnow, Jared Goff, Alex Anzeloni or other votasophanies 151 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.759 you like. We'll give you the results about eight o'clock hour on Tuesday, 152 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:54.039 Okay, look forward to that. Are you a Seinfeld fan? A little 153 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.639 bit before my time? But yes, I'm somewhat well versed for a twenty 154 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.679 four year old. Yeah. Good, they've got the reruns. I think 155 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.120 it's Look, it's one of, if not all time, my favorite show, 156 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.759 so much so that my sons and I and I raised them on Seinfeld. 157 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.639 We have a you know, a thread that we go back and forth. 158 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:22.000 Well, we'll just text to that thread certain lines from Seinfeld. Well, 159 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:30.159 didn't know about this until during that thread. One of my sons sent 160 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:37.279 the fact that they were had a George Costanza Yankee giveaway Bobblehead night, and 161 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:43.039 it's of George holding a bat because of the episode where he said to the 162 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.080 Yankees, you know, he was the assistant to the assistant to the drawling 163 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:54.279 secretary of the New York Yankees, and he tries to help Tartable with his 164 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.600 swing. Bernie Williams and Derek Jeter, Hey, we did win the World 165 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.080 Series last year, and George has taken batting practice, says yeah, in 166 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.320 six games and then he hits one over the fence. Right. The funny 167 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.120 thing about that is that you know they and they had Larry David as George 168 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:18.519 Steinbrenner and acting like a complete idiot. There are so many great scenes and 169 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:26.639 great lines about the Yankees through that entire season or seasons of Seinfeld. The 170 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.919 funny thing about that is that Jerry Seinfeld is a massive Mets fan, so 171 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:39.320 Keith Hernandez has an appearance in a couple of episodes, and Jerry's constantly seen 172 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:45.600 wearing a New York Mets hat. But George Costanza is hired by the Yankees. 173 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.519 The other funny thing about that is that I might be traveling with the 174 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:54.519 team. Assistant to the traveling secretary usually doesn't travel with the team. But 175 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.399 well that's that's neither here nor there. They did on July fifth, they 176 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:07.200 gave away George Costanza bobbleheads and it was a massive success, like huge, 177 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:14.720 and Jason Alexander, who played George Costanza in the series, tweeted out, 178 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.559 I'm so glad bobblehead George was a fan fave. No, I don't get 179 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:23.360 anything for it except joy the thirty five years after putting on those glasses, 180 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:29.000 people are still enjoying our work. The show was a gift from you to 181 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:33.240 us. Thanks for keeping it alive. Serenity Now. Serendity Now is another 182 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:38.159 line in which he and his father, Frank Constanza used in a number of 183 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.799 different episodes. Anyway, so if you don't follow it, it's tough to 184 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.159 really get a true appreciation for it. But it really is cool. Jason 185 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:51.159 Alexander, the actor, also has thrown out the first pitch at games in 186 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:55.159 the past, the Chicago Cubs being one of them. So it got me 187 00:16:55.200 --> 00:17:00.320 thinking a little bit when my son sent me this. There's plenty of references, 188 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:07.279 plenty of references for the Detroit Tigers in Hollywood. What could you provide 189 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:15.640 that is similar to that for the Tigers fans that they would appreciate? What 190 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:21.319 could you do? Meyer? Hotline is open for you. It's eight six 191 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.240 eight eight three, eight forty eight forty three. What comes to mind? 192 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.559 Now? I don't want to steal everybody's you know, proverbial thunder, but 193 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:36.920 there are times where you know, I I think of a couple of different 194 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:42.359 things, and again this is this is based This is based on Hollywood. 195 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:47.680 Okay, so what are you going to what are you going to select? 196 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:56.640 What Hollywood actor or actors would you believe associate with the Detroit Tigers. So 197 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:07.400 I'll give you a first example here, Tom Selleck. Tom Selleck has taken 198 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:18.160 batting practice with the Tigers back in the eighties. And he also he was 199 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:25.400 remember he was mister Baseball. There was a movie called Mister Baseball. Let's 200 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:30.240 see thirty one years it's thirty two now, I believe, so thirty two 201 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.759 years ago he was Magnum Pi. Yeah, I know they've got a remake 202 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:41.000 now that is just horrible. But Jeff, we got Texter agrees with you. 203 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.759 By the way, they texted magnum Pi. There you go, PI, 204 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.799 there you go. Yeah. So what he did was he played a 205 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.160 role in Mister Baseball. Now, he played it as a Yankee. I 206 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.680 believe he wasn't a Tiger, but he was born in Detroit and he is 207 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:03.240 a guy who idolized out. He used to wear a Tiger's cap during Magnum 208 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.079 Pi. I don't know if the new Magnum Pi does that or not. 209 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:12.680 I mean, I haven't seen the show, but they're still doing the tiger's 210 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.440 hat. They are doing it. Okay, thank you, that's good. 211 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:22.279 That's really good. But he was out there in Lakeland a number of times. 212 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:29.599 He had taken batting practice back in nineteen or early nineteen nineties, nineteen 213 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:37.319 ninety one or so, and he had Alan Trammel and Lou Whittaker in one 214 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.599 of his episodes. So I thought that was pretty cool. So that comes 215 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:48.519 to mind for me, and a Texter agrees with me. Kevin Costner comes 216 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:53.559 to mind. Why Well, because when Kevin Costner played for the Love of 217 00:19:53.640 --> 00:20:00.559 the Game, he was wearing a Detroit Tiger's uniform. Now, I don't 218 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.599 know if he's a Tigers fan, not like Tom Selleck, but he did 219 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:11.079 you know, he did wear the Tiger's uniform. What about now this is 220 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.480 not the Tigers, but it's a Detroit team. What about Ferris Bueller's day 221 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:22.720 off, the Gordy Howe jersey in Ferris Bueler's day off where they live in 222 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:30.079 Chicago, yet they're wearing a Red Wings jersey. Cameron, they take his 223 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:34.880 dad's Ferrari or Maserati out, whatever it is. I think it's a Ferrari 224 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:42.839 unbelievable car. Right, He's wearing Gordy Howe jersey. That's a possibility at 225 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:48.799 a Red Wings game, not at a Tiger's game. Anyway. Those are 226 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.000 just some of the things that I was thinking about when I saw this George 227 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.960 Costanza bobblehead. When we come back, I want to dive into the greatest 228 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:03.359 basketball team ever assembled. I'm not going to get into. If you've listened 229 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.759 to the show long enough, you probably think, Oh, here comes Chip's 230 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.559 rant on why Isaiah Thomas wasn't part of the dream Team. I could go 231 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:15.000 there. I could do that annually if I wanted to. I'm not going 232 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:22.640 to. There is a ridiculous comparison taking place in sports today where apparently we 233 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:29.279 have gotten caught up in a moment of wanting to shill for today's NBA players. 234 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.920 I'll explain when we come back on x'es and bros. 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Eagle Casino in Sports, made in Michigan, Made for Michigan. 259 00:23:29.200 --> 00:24:03.640 I'm think twenty minars older in Michigan. Your player, all right, 260 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.519 Welcome back, Exes and Bros. Monday through Friday from six to two nine. 261 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.279 The Myer hoighline eighty six, six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 262 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.519 The text line Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I think during our 263 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:22.960 era, each individual's era, we have a tendency to believe it is the 264 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:29.359 best. And that's okay because we've seen great players in every era in every 265 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:34.279 sport. It's okay that way back in the day, you thought Gordie Howe 266 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:41.599 was the greatest hockey player of all time, and then generation after generation maybe 267 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.000 it changes a little bit, and then you might feel like it's Geela Floor, 268 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.400 maybe it's Mike Bossi, or maybe it's Wayne Gretzky, or maybe it's 269 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:55.039 Mario Lemieux and now you think it's Connor McDavid whatever. Okay, same thing 270 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.759 in baseball way back in the day. It's DiMaggio, it's Maze, it's 271 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:03.599 Mantle, it's Will and then it's Bred and it's Aylling and it's a Malodor, 272 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.039 and it's Rose and it's Griffy Junior, and then it's it was Winfield 273 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.400 before that, and George Brett, for example, and now it's about Otani 274 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.880 and it's Trout and got all right, that's cool. You can make all 275 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:22.759 kinds of arguments. I love that young people feel like the best player they've 276 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:32.279 ever seen is maybe playing right now. And there are certain players I absolutely 277 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.240 love, right. I love watching Bryce Harper. I don't know how you 278 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:41.880 can't stop whatever you're doing and watch show Hey Otani. But sometimes, I 279 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.640 mean, if you're a national writer, if you somebody who has followed a 280 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.559 specific sport for an extended period of time, you have to be careful with 281 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:53.839 your words, what you write, in what you say. And when I 282 00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:03.319 read The Athletic the other day about Olympics and the coverage of the men's basketball 283 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:14.200 team, I was blown away by what was written. Somebody wrote, this 284 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:22.480 is regarding the men's basketball team headed to France for the Olympics, this is 285 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:29.799 arguably the most talented men's basketball team ever assembled. That's what he said about 286 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:36.599 this year's team. I went, I had to read that again. I 287 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:40.440 went, do you know who's on? Maybe you don't know. Let me 288 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:47.440 read you who is on the men's basketball team? Okay, and you tell 289 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:55.799 me if you think this is the greatest ever assembled. It's It's not a 290 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.759 knock on these players because they're all NBA players, But don't give me that 291 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:07.079 they're all Hall of famers. Steve Kerr thinks they are, but we don't 292 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.200 know that yet. We don't know Bam out of Bio. I think he's 293 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.519 a really good player. I'd love to have him on my team. I 294 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.480 don't know if he's a Hall of Famer. You think Devin Booker is a 295 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:22.039 Hall of Famer? Steph Curry is, Anthony Davis, probably is, Kevin 296 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.759 durant is. We don't know about Anthony Edwards. As much as I love 297 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:30.279 watching him play and I absolutely love his athleticism. Joel Embiid is he a 298 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:37.119 Hall of Famer? Tyres Halliburton, Drew Holliday, Lebron James, Absolutely Kawhi, 299 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:45.599 Leonard, Jason Tatum. That's your twenty twenty four USA men's national team 300 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:52.880 out of bio Booker Curry, Davis Durant, Edwards, Halliburton, Holliday, 301 00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:03.359 James, Leonard Tatum, Embiide Again really impressive. I'd take any of them, 302 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:15.599 but the greatest ever assembled. Does this writer need to be reminded of 303 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:22.759 the original Dream Team, the nineteen ninety two original Dream Team. Do you 304 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:30.640 remember who was on that team? David Robinson Hall of Famer, Patrick Ewing 305 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:37.119 Hall of Famer, Larry Bird Hall of Famer, Scottie Pippen Hall of Famer, 306 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:45.359 Overrated Michael Jordan Hall of Famer, Clyde Drexler Hall of Famer, Karl 307 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:52.759 Malone Hall of Famer, John Stockton Hall of Famer, Chris Mullen Hall of 308 00:28:52.799 --> 00:29:00.279 Famer, Charles Barkley Hall of Famer, Magic Johnson Hall of Famer, and 309 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:06.440 Christian Latner who was a college player at the time. All that team did 310 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:17.599 was go out in the Tournament of Americas and beat Cuba by twenty two, 311 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:26.279 or beat him by seventy nine, rather beat Canada by forty four, beat 312 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.759 Panama by sixty, Argentina by forty one, Puerto Rico by thirty eight, 313 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:40.119 in Venezuela by forty seven. Then they went to the Olympics and they beat 314 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:48.000 the snot out of every single team they played. Angola embarrassing right, simply 315 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:56.559 embarrassing, beat him by sixty eight points, Croatia beat him by thirty three, 316 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:03.039 pounded Germany even sixty eight, did the same to Brazil, Spain, 317 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:12.720 Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and in the gold medal game against Croatia beat them 318 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:26.200 by thirty two. Left no doubt whatsoever. Steve Kerr, who's the head 319 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.480 coach of this year's I don't know if you want to call it a dream 320 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.279 team, but it's the Olympic team, says there are twelve future Hall of 321 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:44.880 Famer. What I don't understand that. I think the reason for hysteria here. 322 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.720 And I'm not defending this, chef, because I completely agree with you. 323 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:49.200 I mean, ninety two you just read off the roster. It's eleven 324 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:53.519 for twelve in the Hall. Yeah, I think the reason for hysteria here 325 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.960 is because for a couple of years we got away from the best players playing 326 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.680 in it. And I mean, obviously there's still some really solid players playing 327 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.480 in it. But you look at the twenty twelve team, the twenty sixteen 328 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.920 team, the twenty twenty eventually twenty twenty one team, and it's like, 329 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.359 this is the first time that we're going to get to see KD, Steph, 330 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:17.799 Lebron Kawhi, all those guys play together, not just one or two. 331 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.519 So for people of my generation who have grown up and those are our 332 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.119 guys, I mean, we're finally going to get to see all those guys 333 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.160 on the court at the same time. And it's not the All Star Game 334 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.799 where no one's playing for real, No, and I understand it. I'm 335 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.799 not saying it's not a great team, it's right, but to say it's 336 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:44.079 the best team i'vever assembled, that hyperbole just because you have eleven current All 337 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.480 Stars and by the way, that's that's eleven of the twelve, so not 338 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.720 that everybody even even as an All Star there and two current NBA champions Tatum 339 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.480 and Drew Holliday, and obviously Lebron James has won a championship, and others. 340 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:07.039 I just I think it's borderline irresponsible for someone to actually suggest it might 341 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:14.160 be the greatest team ever assembled when we just there's so much left to be 342 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:19.000 decided. The guys who played again. I don't want to sound like the 343 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:23.680 old guy in this conversation, but when you have that team of nineteen niney 344 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:30.000 you knew they were Hall of famers. There was no doubt that Jordan and 345 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:36.240 Johnson and Bird and Ewing, that all those guys were Hall of famers. 346 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:45.160 I want you to tell me, outside of Curry, Durant, James and 347 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:52.480 Davis, who is guaranteed to be a Hall of Famer from this team. 348 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:58.680 I think Kawhi Leonard will certainly make it without a doubt. Two time champion, 349 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.440 won a few Defensive Player the Year awards, been a perennial All Star 350 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:06.319 now for a decade. He'll make it. Okay, So there's five anybody 351 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.200 else that I'm missing? Did you say, Steph? I did? Okay? 352 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.240 I think. Well, here's the thing. I think a lot of 353 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.960 this and what Steve Kerr is getting at, even if he didn't articulate it 354 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.880 very well, he's projecting clearly right, because I mean, Anthony Edwards just 355 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.279 had his best season of his career and there's a lot of excitement surrounding him, 356 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:29.920 and he's just fun to watch and stuff. But Jason Tatum just won 357 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.799 his first championship. He might win more. You know, A lot of 358 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.799 this I think is projection, which doesn't make it right, but I think 359 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.000 that's the key here. With a lot of those guys in ninety two, 360 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.720 to your point, Chef, you weren't projecting anything. Larry Bird was at 361 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.559 the tail end of his career, Magic had already solidified himself. Michael and 362 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:52.519 Scotty even at that point, were two time champions. I totally understand it. 363 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.000 I get it. I mean it just we need to keep in mind 364 00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:00.319 here. I mean, you know how I feel about Anthony Edwards. We've 365 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:08.880 talked about he's a dynamic, energetic, high level superstar type player and I 366 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.639 mean that. And he's a brother fresh air for a lot of people. 367 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.679 You know. Sure, but he's only been in the league four years. 368 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.840 He's a two time All Star, right, So you're telling me Steve Kerr, 369 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:29.920 who's two eyes and experience, should be well respected because of what he's 370 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:37.960 experienced and what he's witnessed both as a player and a coach. Absolutely, 371 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:46.400 you're telling me you already think he's a Hall of Famer. I like Jason 372 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.800 Tatum, I really do. I think he's a really good basketball player. 373 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:57.400 And I said all year long, I think he's underrated right six in the 374 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.559 MVP this year, fourth, a year ago, the year before, hasn't 375 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:07.679 won an MVP. I mean, really, you you want it. You 376 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.840 think he's a Hall of Famer already. This is what's happened I think in 377 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.960 sports in general, not just basketball, not just with this team, and 378 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:22.159 not with any one particular athlete. Okay, what's happened is we've taken the 379 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:31.079 Hall of Fames in sports and no longer kept them for the greatest of great 380 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:37.639 players, but we've made them the Hall of Fames of very goods. And 381 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.199 I think a perfect example of that is I love this guy. I love 382 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.519 this player, Johncey Billups. Five time All Star, one time champion. 383 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.639 Is he a Hall of Famer? Maybe that's where you really have That's a 384 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.400 big piece of this puzzle, chepis who they're letting in nowadays, specifically in 385 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:59.760 basketball. I still think football and baseball holds some water changes. It absolutely 386 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.719 changes almost the criteria as we go. Let me just say this, and 387 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.960 during the postseason, I was a big fan of this guy. If Jalen 388 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.840 Duran turned out to be Bam out of Bio, I'm all for it. 389 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.960 Let me just say this, if Steve krusayin you've got twelve All Stars or 390 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.800 twelve Hall of Famers, Bam out of Bayo is a three time All Star 391 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:32.559 and his career average is fifteen points and under nine rebounds a game. Now, 392 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.840 he's been on the All Defensive Team five times. That's great, but 393 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:45.519 he hasn't won anything. I mean, come on, he's a really good 394 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.760 player, and again, I'd take him on my team. You're trying to 395 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:55.000 tell me you think this dude is a Hall of Famer right now, you 396 00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:02.159 think this dude as part of a twelve man unit would be considered a team 397 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.559 that is among the greatest ever or better than the nineteen ninety two. To 398 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:13.679 tell me who's tell me whose place he takes. That's all I'm asking. 399 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:22.119 Stop with the rhetoric. It's okay to just write or say, this is 400 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:28.440 a really talented team made up of all these All stars. They're going to 401 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.519 represent the United States with honor, and they're going to do it in dominating 402 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.400 fashion. You don't have to go so far as to say that it is 403 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:47.199 arguably the greatest team ever assembled, because then you're just I think you're making 404 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.719 an idiot out of yourself. You're getting caught up in a moment. So 405 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.920 try to contextualize this. So just a tiny bit the perspective first and foremost, 406 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.719 you have to have a perspective. Yeah, I don't know how old 407 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.760 Joe Varden is who wrote this article. You've got to have some type of 408 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:12.760 perspective before you actually punch that in and press save and send to your editor. 409 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.800 It's ridiculous. It is simply ridiculous. I'm not saying there's nobody on 410 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.800 this team that wouldn't have made the nineteen ninety two team. That's not what 411 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:28.440 I'm suggesting. Lebron James would make any team out there. But outside of 412 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:35.400 Lebron James, there's not one player on mas Steph Curry. Steph Curry, 413 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.639 tell me who you're taking off. Stop with the rhetoric of this is the 414 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:46.599 greatest team ever assembled. Have some understanding of history for just a moment. 415 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.920 We get so caught up in these moments where it's, Oh, I am 416 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.719 witnessing the greatest of all time. So I can just tell everybody when I'm 417 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:04.599 older that I witness the greatest of all time. When you haven't, what 418 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.039 were you going to say? Well, I just think a more fair discussion 419 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.639 might be, this is probably the best team since that ninety two team. 420 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.519 Is that fails it? I mean, that would be a discussion. Is 421 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.320 my point? Them being the greatest team ever as settled is not in the 422 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:24.400 discussion. It's not even to your point, not one iota, but best 423 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.760 team in the last thirty years. I think that's more fair to at least 424 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:35.039 talk about, rather than an insult to the Dream Team. Essentially. Yeah, 425 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.440 and I know it wasn't meant to be an insult to the Dream Team, 426 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.519 and I don't think they would take it that way, nor should they 427 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.239 take it that way. I think it's more of somebody getting caught up in 428 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:52.239 a current nostalgia who might be covering them and feeling like, yes, indeed, 429 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.239 this is as good as it gets. Steve Krue, the head coach, 430 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:04.559 might Chuck Daily, the head coach back in nineteen ninety two, just 431 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.760 and maybe perhaps it was a pretty good staff by the way, PJ. 432 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:15.480 Carlissimo, Mike Krzyzewski, Lenny Wilkins. So you have Chuck Daily Hall of 433 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.159 Famer, Wilkins Hall of Famer, Skryzhevski Hall of Famer. There's only two 434 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:28.760 people associated with that entire team that are not Hall of Famers. At least. 435 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.239 I don't believe PJ. Carlissimo is Hall of Famer. I don't know 436 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:36.559 why he would be, okay, because although it's not NBA, it's not 437 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.400 an NBA Hall of Fame, as you know, it's a Pro Basketball Hall 438 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.480 of Fame. And he accomplished a great deal as a collegiate coach, and 439 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.440 he was pretty good in Portland, right. But to your point, too, 440 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.360 Chef, I mean, even Christian Lahner, who's not a Hall of 441 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.440 Famer. He's one of the most iconic college athletes ever. And that's what 442 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.280 he was at the time he was in college for Duke exactly. I would 443 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:07.400 argue. I would argue Christian Latner four years, four finals, two championships, 444 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:13.199 I would argue, he's the best college basketball player I've seen. Now 445 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:20.199 from a pro standpoint, he was good, wasn't great, made an All 446 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.719 Star team, made the All Rookie team, and played a long time, 447 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:28.840 thirteen year career. That's pretty solid. Anyone would take that. That's really 448 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:35.519 solid. Yeah, really solid guy who you know. He averaged fourteen points 449 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:42.480 and about seven rebounds per game. Good player, not great, good player, 450 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:45.119 all right, I had to talk about that. We're gonna when we 451 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:55.400 come back, we'll dive into some football. Pretty encouraging article out there for 452 00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:01.199 the Lions. It's a big picture NFL article, but it's pretty encouraging about 453 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:05.360 the line. We'll discuss when we come back on Exes and Bros. Right 454 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.800 after this on the Michigan Sports Network. Huge here for my good friends from 455 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:12.599 all the Myer stores across Michigan. 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