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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football. For everybody, I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
was yesterday, and I got the same

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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the game. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care

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if you don't have any wins.
You go play to win. You start

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telling me it doesn't matter to retire, get out for the Nats. Hey,

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what's going on? Glad you're with
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to twenty one thousand. It was
an afternoon affair yesterday for the Tigers,

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and the Marlins shut them out again
to nothing. So the Tigers haven't scored

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in the last nineteen innings. Brian
dal Lacruz's first inning to run homer able

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to stand up for a Miami team
that is not good. They're just they're

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one of the worst teams in baseball, at least so far. How long

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this lasts, I don't know.
All we can do is judge teams and

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leagues and players to the point of
which we've seen them. And Miami has

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thirteen wins on the year. That
is the fewest in Major League Baseball,

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fewer than the Chicago White Sox.
Folks one fewer than the Chicago White Sox.

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Miami and Chicago have the worst run
differential in all of baseball, that

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minus eighty seven runs. And you
might be rolling your eyes right now,

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because, man, why do you
always bring this up? Check? I

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bring it up because it's really important. That is a really important statistic in

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all the world of baseball, where
we get wrapped up in certain numbers,

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that is really a vital number.
Go back through history and look at it.

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You know why Atlanta was so good
last year? You know why the

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Dodgers were so good last year.
There's a lot of reasons, but one

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is they could outscore their opposition.
That's the name of the game, right,

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you just heard HERM Edwards. That's
the name of the game. The

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name of the game is to win
the game. Well, Atlanta was a

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plus two hundred and thirty one and
run differentially a year ago. Texas was

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a plus one sixty five or one
eighty five. Excuse me. Those two

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teams were the gold standard a year
go in their respective leagues. Baltimore was

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up there too for the American League, but they two had a really high

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run differential. They were at one
twenty nine. Tampa won the division the

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American League East last year ninety nine
wins, one ninety five, a plus

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one ninety five. You don't think
it's important, Okay, Minnesota won the

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Central Division. They were the only
team with a plus run differential. The

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Tigers were a minus seventy nine.
White Sox were a minus two hundred.

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You know why Oakland stunk last year
with just fifty wins. They were a

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minus three hundred thirty nine run differential. Sometimes those numbers are tough to comprehend,

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man, I mean that is incredible. Look at the teams right now.

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Who's winning, who's struggling. I
told you who struggled in the Al

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Central Chicago White Sex. They're the
only team with a minus run differential.

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You just don't find it very often
where a team is going to outperform its

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lack of offense. I know defense
wins championships. I know pitching is really

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important, but this is ridiculous.
Miami doesn't shut out the Tigers once.

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They shut them out twice one nothing
in two nothing. You may not have

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felt two nights ago that they had
a lot of scoring opportunities. They didn't

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yesterday they did. Couldn't take care
of business. Casey Mace pitched well enough

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to win. He made a mistake, came in the first inning, came

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in the second hitter. He went
six innings, two hit, two run,

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ball, struck out six sixty one
of his eighty nine pitches or whatever

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it were, strikes ninety pitches.
He retired eleven in a row, one

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point eighteen in the last nineteen.
That's good enough. You can't expect your

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pitcher to go out there and be
perfect just not realistic. Detroit's one through

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six hitters, We're two for eighteen. This team left ten men on base,

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they advanced a runner in scoring position
just twice, and they lose the

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series. Was it possible? Anything
in baseball is? But Trevor Rodgers had

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an ERA of eight point five seven
going into the game against Detroit yesterday,

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yet somehow handled the Tigers offense.
So now the Tigers are under five hundred

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for the first time this year,
at twenty one to twenty two. They

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have now lost four straight series.
Remember, this is a team that started

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what six to zero, and everyone
was like, hey, don't it's a

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fun team to watch. This is
why you we think they've turned the corner.

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So on and so forth. How
do you feel now you lose four

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straight series, You've lost nine of
your last twelve games. You're headed to

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Arizona, which initially would make you
go, Okay, that's not terrible,

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that's doable. Arizona's won seven of
ten. They're under five hundred, but

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they've won seven of ten and they
have a plus in the run differential.

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And I know what you're hoping for, so am I you want to turn

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it around? So on and so
forth. How do you do it?

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You get the day off, so
you're traveling to Arizona and you're going somebody

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please save us. Oh it's Terrek
Schooble. Thank goodness, he's going to

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make the start. He gets the
nodding Game one against Ryan Nelson. No

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question who the better pitcher is is
Trek Scuble. It's just you want to

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rely on the one guy. You
know what, You're still gonna have to

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score a damn run or two because
you haven't been able to do it for

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the last two games against a bad
Miami team. And I try to keep

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this in perspective, knowing in baseball
that things fluctuate and change so quickly.

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I understand that it's how you play. I don't want to sound like Current

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Edwards here. It's how you play
the game though, and played well.

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That's very simple, isn't it.
But it's also very true. Can't canntinue

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this way otherwise we are going to
be having a miserable summer. I'll reiterate

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this, and I'll say it on
a pretty regular basis. Expectations have to

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be higher. Expectations for this team
have to be higher. Absolutely no reason

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they should be under five hundred.
Right now, they may come back from

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the road trip playing much better baseball, and we won't even think about this

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right now. But at some point
this year we're going to look back like

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we did during the Red Wings and
say, oh my god, how'd you

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lose to the Coyotes two straight games. We're gonna say the same thing about

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a loser yesterday to nothing to the Marlins

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shut out yet again, their offense
rearing its ugly head again in a negative

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way, and the statistics continue to
jump out at you and just how bad

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this team truly is offensively? Right
now? I keep saying right now because

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I really want this team to turn
it around. I'm so hopeful, but

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I'm looking at it, and the
more I see it, I think you

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probably see it too. The more
you see it, the more you think

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this is not happening because we've given
them. We've given this team a lot

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of room here, a ton of
room, and we're just not seeing it.

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Can this team drastically change? There
could be there could be a little

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bit of a margin for air here. I'll give you an example. All

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right, let's try and be let's
try to be positive here for a second

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with this situation. Do you think
the Toronto Blue Jays have a potent offense?

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Yes? So do I so do. Why it's a team I think

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with a ton of offensive talent.
Vladimir Guerrero Junior bo Bishett, George Springer,

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Dalton Varshow. They added Justin Turner
in the offseason, along with Isaiah

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Kiner, Falefa Sure, Kevin Kiermeyer. They're scoring fewer runs than the Tigers.

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The Toronto Blue Jays have scored fewer
runs in more games, I might

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add, than the Detroit Tigers.
Now, keep in mind, it's a

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Toronto team last year known for its
offense. Last year, that Toronto club

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was a little bit below league average, but scored a hell of a lot

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more runs than Detroit did. This
is becoming a little bit of a pattern.

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What about Seattle? Do you think
Seattle is a good baseball team?

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I know we don't follow them every
day. They lead the West. They're

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twenty four and twenty. They've scored
fewer runs than the Tigers. Again,

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I'm trying to I'm trying to be
positive here for us. I'm trying to

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give us a reason to believe.
And after yesterday, actually they've scored the

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same number of runs as the Tigers. But it's a dangerous situation for Detroit

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in the sense that we have seen
this become more of commonplace than not.

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Remember, this is a Tigers team. That scored the second fewest runs in

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all of bass players last year.
The only team who scored fewer runs than

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Detroit last season with the Oakland Athletics, they scored five hundred and eighty five

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runs. Detroit scored six hundred and
sixty one. Actually, Chicago, the

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White Sox, I apologize, the
White Socks scored fewer runs too. So

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only the A's and the Athletics scored
fewer runs than Detroit. Is it a

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pattern? It's troubling. Two years
ago Detroit was you know, the league

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average is about six hundred and ninety
four runs. This is in twenty twenty

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two. Nothing great about the Tigers'
efforts there either. It's a problem.

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This team is not gifted offensively.
So we've seen it for a few years

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in a row now where you're like
shaking your head, relying solely on your

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pitching and it's constant. Hey,
we're going to talk with Colton Pouncey of

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the Athletic at eight thirty five.
Looking forward to that for sure. We'll

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talk about the Lions schedule, We'll
talk about the golf extension and more in

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the NFL. There are when you
see the release of the schedule and it's

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pretty creative. Man. I don't
know if you folks saw this much,

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but a number of different teams social
media events kind of expressed how this team

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was going to celebrate the release of
its schedule. And it's pretty creative.

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It was really good. If you
saw any on social media, let us

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know. Tell us which one you
think was the best and how you thought

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the Lions did. Because the Lions
had a couple of comedians showcasing theirs,

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we'll get to that coming up here. Former Tiger Willie Castro had an embarrassing

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moment last night. Did you see
this? Willie Castro plays for the Minnesota

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Twins. He's actually been a really
good find for them. He's played well

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for them. He's not gonna be
an All Star. He's a firstatile player.

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He could play a number of different
positions. He could play second,

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he could play short, he could
play third, he could play any outfield

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spot. He was playing center field
for them yesterday in the game against New

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York Yankees won at one for nothing. They were up one nothing with a

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man on third when a fly ball
was hit to center field. Willie Castro

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thought there were two outs when he
grabbed it. He thought he made the

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third out, nonchalantly starts jogging into
the infield. I think it was Anthony

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Volpi at third base. He breaks
for home and scores easily to make it

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too nothing New York, and it's
an embarrassing moment for Willy Castro. I

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saw that highlight and I thought to
myself, there are scoreboards and ribbon boards.

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You know what the ribbon board is
right around a stadium. There are

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scoreboards in so many different spots of
the ballpark. Obviously it's in centerfield or

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left center field. It's tough for
a center fielder to look at that unless

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you're absolutely turning around. But to
his right there's a ribbon board, and

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to his left there is a ribbon
board. They're in Minnesota. It's not

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hard to locate, so it's easy. As a quarterback walking on the line

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of scrimmage and seeing the play clock. After every out, most players signify

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and scream how many outs there are? Willie Castro was in a daze.

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I suppose he screwed some things up
pretty bad right there. NBA last night

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Boston ns Cleveland season with a one
thirteen to ninety eight game five win.

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They are into the Eastern Conference for
a third straight year and a six time

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in the last eight years. You
want your best players to elevate their games

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at the biggest moments. It's such
a cliche, but it's so true.

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Jason Tatum did twenty five points,
ten boards, nine a SIS, But

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I'm going to give you probably a
bigger reason why they won that game,

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and it comes from a wiley veteran. We'll get to that. We'll get

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to the Dallas OKC game, We'll
get to the Loan hockey game last night,

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what does it say about the resiliency
of this team and just the focus and

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the mindset, like you said coming
into tonight, just hard mentality. We

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know the last game we played against
them at home, we let it go.

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You know, it was our mistakes
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mentality is just in the playoffs.
It's first to four, so you gotta

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win for before they do, so
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team is special. Man. We've
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That's Luca Jogs Following the Mavericks win
in Oklahoma City, A little surprised

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at this series, I thought,
Okay, see, I mean, they

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are one of the younger teams in
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a team that would take care of
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But give credit where credit is due. The Mavericks hold Okay Seed to

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ninety two points. That's the fewest
points they've scored all year. Dallas shoots

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fifty two and a half percent.
Doncic leads the way thirty one points,

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ten boards, eleven assists, seventh
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They win at one O four to
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games to two. Charles Barkley as
much as anybody else needs Okac to come

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back, because last night, while
they were talking post game of the Boston

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Celtics win, you heard Draymond Green
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straight or reach the Eastern Conference Finals
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eight years. He downplayed it.
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on Green had talked about the Knicks
and talked about either Dallas or Denver coming

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out of the West. Jason Tatum
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wrong, because Okase he's going to
beat Dallas. Well, now they go

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back to Dallas and the Mavericks are
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finish off? Jay Gilgis, Alexander
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But the Boston win saw Al Horford, at age thirty seven, in

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his one hundred seventy seventh career playoff
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fifteen rebounds. At his age thirty
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have fifteen points or more, five
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have double digit rebounds and he had
six threes. Overall, really impressive win.

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NHL last night, Colorado up ended
Dallas five to three. Been a

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high scoring series. The Avs score
three times in the third and have pulled

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and keep their playoff hopes alive or
keep their Stanley Cup Championship hopes alive,

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because that was an eliminigation game for
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the series. Game six is in
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at Valhalla. Scotti Scheffler is the
favorite. Rory McElroy and Brooks Koepka right

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there in the mix. Lion's schedule
has been released. The NFL schedule has

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been released. The Lions I told
you yesterday, I said this team is

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going to be on national TV quite
a bit. They're on national TV six

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times. That includes the Thanksgiving Day
game against Chicago six times. They've got

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the eleventh toughest schedule in the league. Here are the national games they are

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going to be on. Matthew Stafford
and the Rams visit Ford Field on opening

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night September eighth, Sunday Night football. They're going to play Seattle on Monday

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Night Football September thirtieth at home.
This is kind of the beauty. The

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beauty is that Detroit is getting a
number of games at home on the national

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stage. That's pretty cool, man, It really is because of how loud

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Ford Field gets and the passion that
you folks show all that stuff. Love

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it. So there's two of them. They're at Houston week nineteen Sunday Night

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Football. They got a Thursday night
game December fifth against Green Bay, so

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another Thursday Night football. December thirtieth
is a Monday night football tilt at San

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Francisco in a rematch of the NFC
title game. So those five, in

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addition to Thanksgiving Day national TV six
times. You want to showcase your brand,

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showcase your talent, and in a
lot of situations, here showcase the

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city of Detroit. Here's your chance. Not that it has to be proven,

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Don't get me wrong. It doesn't
have to be proven. We already

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know that there's a reason they want
to be in Detroit. But you get

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Sunday Night football twice you get Monday
Night football twice, you get Thursday Night

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football once and a Thursday day game
tradition on Thanksgiving Day. Absolutely love it.

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I am not I said this yesterday. I'm not going to break down

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what their winning record is going to
be. Writers have to do that.

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Unfortunately for them. Writers have to
go about Okay, now the prediction game

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begins. Like we had Dave Brikett
on not too long ago, the Detroit

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Free Press does an outstanding job.
We're gonna have Colton Pouncy of the Athletic

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on at eight thirty five, but
he had to go out and predict,

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you know, an eleven and six
record. Why Well, because they're editors.

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We gotta find we gotta fill space. Writers don't like doing that stuff.

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They don't want to be married to
that because they understand all the stuff

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that's going on with it. But
that's just the way it works. There

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are some very interesting matchups, very
interesting matchups in terms of playing against one

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another for specific reasons. Specific matchups
is what I'm looking at. For example,

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you've got the Steve it the Falcons
opening week. Most people think,

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what's the big deal there? The
big deal there is that's it's in all

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likelihood, Russell Wilson the starter for
Pittsburgh, Kirk Cousin, the Steeler of

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the Falcons starter. Those two clashed
in the twenty eleven Big Ten Championship game

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while Russell Wilson was at Wisconsin,
and of course Kirk Cousins with Michigan State.

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That's kind of fun. I'll give
you another one. Week twelve,

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that's when Jim Harbaugh and John Harbaugh
match wits. I know you're probably rolling

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your eyes a little bit and you're
thinking to yourself, this gets really old.

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It's going to be in Baltimore,
it's going to be a nationally televised

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game, and it's going to be
what Jim Harbaugh hopes to be the first

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time he beats his brother John,
who has won the previous two meetings.

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If you don't think that matters,
you're crazy. It absolutely matters. So

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that kind of jumped out at me. Speaking of Kirk Cousins, Week fourteen,

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he goes back to play Minnesota.
How long do this stuff lasts?

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Like? Do we ever would we
make a big deal if Kirk Cousins played

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Washington, considering that was his first
team. Probably not. We've gotten pass

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past that right, Like Saquon Barkley
is now with Philadelphia, Folks, they're

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going to play the Giants twice a
year. I don't know how long Saquon

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Barkley is going to be in Philadelphia, but at least this next season he's

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gonna play the Giants twice because they're
within the division. They're gonna play Week

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seven. Is that a big deal? I don't know. Not when you're

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seeing it twice. It probably will
be when he goes back to New York.

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Russell Wilson playing in Denver against Sean
Payton. Yeah, that's probably a

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pretty big deal Super Bowl rematch.
You love this stuff. Right Week seven,

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it's Kansas City at San Francisco.
Stefan Diggs really good player for Buffalo

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for a long time. Put up
a ton of highlight reel grabs, had

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a great on field chemistry with Josh
Allen. Do we think about Stefan Diggs

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going back to play against Minnesota.
No, but we do think about him

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playing his old team Buffalo because Stefan
Diggs is now in Houston and that'll take

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place Week five, So that is
an interesting little tidbit for those two teams.

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That'll be kind of fun. To
me, like I was looking through

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the schedule. Oh, I noticed
Derek Carr, who quarterbacks in New Orleans,

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used to be for the Raiders.
The Raiders are playing at New Orleans

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a week seventeen. I don't think
that's a big deal. That's just my

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opinion. Who cares? Does it
matter to you that Aaron Rodgers is going

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to get his first game back?
Not really. I'm sure people will make

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a big deal out of it,
but to me, not really. But

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some of the highlights that I just
gave I think are pretty interesting. So

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you can follow along with that Meyer
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I know what matters to you more
than anything else is the Lions schedule.

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What do you think of the Lions
schedule? They're gonna take on the Rams

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at home, Tampa at home.
First road game is Week three at Arizona.

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Then you get Seattle at home on
a Monday night kick, So three

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of the first four at home and
the road game based on last year's statistics,

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very wittable. Then you get the
bye week. In a perfect world,

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your bye week comes in week seven
or eight. When Dan Campbell and

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others are asked after the game against
Seattle during the week of week five,

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hey, your bye week is taking
place? Is it too early? They

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will say no, not really,
this is good. They're never going to

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admit that, right, But that's
when the bye week comes. It'll give

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them two weeks to prepare for Dallas
in Dallas, and we all know what

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happened a year ago. So out
of that bye week they get at Dallas

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and at Minnesota, back to back
road games against two teams, two pretty

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good teams. Right, Dallas is
better than Minnesota, you would think going

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in, but two good teams have
to be careful. Then a home game

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against Tennessee road game at Green Bay, road game at Houston. That defense

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will be tested by C. J. Stroud and company and Stefan Diggs and

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others. Then it's a home game
against Jacksonville, a road game at the

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Colts home to Chicago, that's Thanksgiving
home to Green Bay, Thursday night game

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home to Buffalo. Defense will be
challenged against the Bills offense at Chicago at

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Frisco on Monday night, and Minnesota
at home. That is kind of like

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almost like a flex game. The
date is yet to be determined. The

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NFL would like to use their power
of being able to flex games and do

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all that stuff by scheduling Detroit Minnesota
for a certain situation, certain night right

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which game excites you. We don't
know yet. I don't expect you to

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know that, because I think with
this schedule it gives you a lot of

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pregame storylines. Stafford and the Rams
is obvious, and it's a rematch of

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the playoffs. Tampa a rematch of
the playoffs, Seattle the team that beat

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them at home a year ago in
their first home game, Dallas and the

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controversy that ensued there. Green Bay
is always special. Houston gives you a

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really good idea of a young team
that is on the rise in a Houston

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club that's going to test your defense. Chicago with Caleb Williams at the helm,

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Buffalo kind of a standard in the
AFC with Josh Allen under center,

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and of course San Francisco with the
rematch there. There's a lot of storylines,

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a lot of good stuff on this
Lions schedule. We'll talk more about

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it with Colton Pouncey of the athletic
There is a bit of a disturbing situation

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in the NBA that you have complained
about before, and it's starting to creep

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in into another sport, and I
can't figure out why. I guess I

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guess I could figure it and understand
it a little bit more in this sport

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than I could in the NBA.
It's called load management. How many times

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have we talked about this where people
are starting to look I think when it

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first started, probably Greg Popovich and
San Antonio made it most popular with the

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Tim Duncan era trying to rest his
guys because they had deep NBA playoff series.

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So I think a lot of people
were a little understanding, you know

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what, he wants to rest Manu
Ginobili at age thirty six. I get

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it, he wants to rest Tony
Parker. I understand that Tim Duncan deserves

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a night off on a tail end
of a back to back. I get

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it. It's starting to creep into
another sport. Sports used to be about

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well, pride in being out there
and available every single day. I've got

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a theory on why it is taking
place. It's not going to happen in

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football. They rest players at the
end if they've already got a playoff spot

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or if they have a division title
wrapped up, they can do that because

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you know they generally go to at
certain positions, maybe three deep. But

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it's still hard to just play your
backups and put your starters in street clothes

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because you only have what forty eight
dressed on game day and you got to

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play twenty two. But this sport, it used to be a prideful thing

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to be available every day, and
apparently it is moving away from that.

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yet to help neighbors in need while
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When I think of Meyer, I think

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a couple things. First of all, the tenth Daniel Meyer Classic that's coming

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up in the middle of June thirteenth
through the sixteenth at Blyfield Country Club.

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In the past, I have heard
you loud and clear complain about the

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load management phrase that is oftentimes associated
with one sport, the NBA. I'm

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sure it happens in hockey to a
certain extent. We just don't hear them

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talk about it as much. Hockey. You know, you're you're dressing what

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twenty five guys and you're able to
the game almost dictates the load management because

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sometimes coaches are going to roll their
top two lines at the end of a

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game, late in the third to
try and make sure they get the game

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equalizer. You're going to have powerplay
guys, You're going to have penalty killed

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guys. There are certain Dylan Larkin
for Detroit, most Cider for Detroit who

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are going to play in every situation. So the game itself kind of dictates

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the load management. Rarely do you
see, if ever, a high end

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player for a hockey team dressing street
clothes because the coach says he's getting the

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day off. You do find that
in basketball, for whatever reason, they

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have chosen to do that, and
for certain teams it's worked right and they're

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going to continue to do that well. In baseball, they're starting to do

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that now too, And a lot
of it has to do with analytics.

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The analytics of baseball is taking over
if it hasn't already a front office near

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you. It doesn't mean every manager
uses analytics to make out their lineup or

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make a pitching change, but it
is part of the process. I believe

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the best managers marry the two together. They marry their instincts and they marry

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the analytics. I know we move
forward in our society, not just in

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sports society, but in society in
general taking advantage of technology. You should.

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It's kind of stupid not to.
Life is one big baseball game.

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If you've got or one big sporting
event, if you have the technology to

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improve the game, use it.
How those leagues choose to use it,

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it still baffles me sometimes. You
know, like baseball, if you've got

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the technology, then why is it
everything reviewable? Right? But whatever I

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digress, I get the same sense
in life. If you've got the technology,

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use it. So Baseball is using
their technology that's available to them,

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and part of that technology ways the
amount of time players are exuding energy.

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And knowing that Major League Baseball plays
more games than any other sport twice as

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many as baseball, or twice as
many as basketball or hockey, then why

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wouldn't baseball use that type of technology
fair enough? And let's face it,

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it is easier to rest a guy
in baseball than other sports. He's getting

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a day off because they're playing every
day. You've played nineteen straight games.

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You want to give a certain guy
a day off, go ahead, or

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make him the DH get him off
his feet. A little bit happens all

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the time. They just don't use
the phrase load management. It is creeping

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into the language of more and more
front offices, and it's trickling down to

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managers, coaches and players as well. Here's where I think it's coming from.

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I think it's coming from trainers.
What I've noticed over the past number

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of seasons in calling games is that
those trainers are so heavily involved with a

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player. Think about it, player
gets injured, trainer comes out, or

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any type of nick, any type
of awkward swing. Trainers sees it.

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They dart out of the bull,
dugout to talk to the player. Managers

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and coaches are talking to trainers on
a regular basis. I'm sure that happened

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before too, But in the end, Bobby Cox was making his decision,

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he was consulting the trainer. But
I think more and more managers now are

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using them as that sounding board and
a big reason on why they may be

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making a decision. Bobby Cox could
manage without analytics. Spocky Anderson managed without

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analytics. Joe Torre managed without analytics. Tendencies is one thing. Analytics is

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totally different. These guys were all
really good. I don't care if it's

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Whitey Herzog or Dick Williams, you
name it, Ralph Billy Martin back of

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the day it worked the games of
all the information has gone deeper, and

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it's probably a good thing. But
baseball more than any other sport, because

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it's a regular basis, is a
rhythmic sport. You get in a groove

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offensively, you want to stay in
the lineup every day. Players used to

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take a great deal of pride when
it came to their availability, and I

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think certain members of that baseball society
still do. When you look up the

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players who have played the most games, it's not just longevity and how long

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they played the sport, but also
how much they were available every year to

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play the sport. Pete Rose,
Carl Yastremsky, Hank Aaron, Ricky Henderson,

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Albert Poolhols, Eddie Murray, Stam
Musial, Willie Mays, cal Ripken

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Jr. I can go on and
on and on, Barry Bonds. It

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wasn't that long ago when guys like
Yvonne Rodriguez was playing, was it.

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Adrian Beltree didn't retire that long ago, nor did Albert Pools, and yet

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Beltray and pool Holes are in the
top fifteen in games played. Why because

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they were available every single year They
were playing regularly. One hundred and fifty

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five to one hundred and sixty two
games a year. They took pride in

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it. I'm not saying players don't
take pride in it now. I think

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there's a lot of players who want
to play. But look at Adrian Beltray's

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record. One fifty two, one
fifty nine, one fifty eight, one

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fifty six, one forty nine,
one fifty six, one sixty one out

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there every day. Meyer hotlines open
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at the Meyer LPGA Classic for simply
Give. Get ready for the best who

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are yet to help neighbors in need
while enjoying golf, food and family fun.

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Join us June thirteenth through the sixteenth
at Blakefield Country Club for fabulous food,

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discoveryland for kids, and of course
elite women golfers from around the world

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competing to help feed our neighbors.
Get your tickets now admire LPGA Classics dot

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com. Eighteen After the hour,
welcome into Exus and Bros. Matt Sheppard

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with you here throughout the morning Ben
as our producer. We will be joined

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by Colton Pouncey, the Athletic Lions
writer at eight thirty five, looking forward

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to that, Also looking forward to
monitoring the PGA Championship that begins here this

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morning. In fact, folks have
already teed off. The first trio is

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sewn Michael Luke, Donald m Michael
Block. Most will be kind of monitoring

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the eight o'clock hour where Tiger Woods
plays with Adam Scott and Keegan Bradley.

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Nobody thinks. Nobody thinks Tiger Wood
Tiger Woods is going to come close to

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winning them, right, Okay,
because I didn't think so either. The

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eight fifteen tea time has Justin Rose, Dustin Johnson, and Rory McElroy big

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names, but only McElroy is playing
really good golf. Jordan Speith plays with

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Brooks Koepka and Max Homa at eight
thirty seven. Now that is a trio

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I would follow. That's the one
for me anyway, that would catch my

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eye and want me to all right, that's how I'm gonna I'm gonna walk

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with them throughout the entire round.
I've been to golfing events like. My

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hope is that plenty of people are
aren't going to head to you know,

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the Blackfield Country Club June thirteenth through
the sixteenth of the tenth Aniel Meyer Classic.

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Walking an entire course just watching guys
hit is kind of challenging. It's

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a tough debate. Do you walk
with that trio or that group or do

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you want to stay on one hole
and see how everybody just kind of approaches

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that hole. The one P fifty
one team time is pretty cool. That's

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when I like Calin Markyle a lot. So it's more Coleen, Matt Fitzpatrick

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and Phil Mickelson, Ricky Fowlers playing
with John Rahm and Cameron Young, Scotty

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Scheffler is teeing off with Brian Harmon
and Wyndham Clark. That's a really good

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one. Although Brian Harmon, especially
with young folks, Brian Harmon is not

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a fan favorite by any stretch.
He takes forever and it's not like he's

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talking with his caddy setting stuff up. It's it's him and his waggles.

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People absolutely crazy anyway, they're often
running there at Valhalla. That track is

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only seven and nine yards. Oh
is that it? Yeah? Huh,

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it's amazing. We were talking about
load management specifically and how it's creeping into

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baseball, And I wonder how old
school managers start to feel about this because

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they want I mean, it's their
their jobs are on the line. They

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want their everyday players more than just
about any other sport Baseball. Really good

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teams I'm talking about challenging teams are
putting their lineup together every single day.

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Aaron Boone's driving to the ballpark for
the Yankees and he's like, I'm good

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man. I know that Aaron Judge
is playing. I know that Juan Soto's

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playing. I know that Anthony Rizzo's
playing. I know that Anthony Volpi is

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playing. He knows Alex Ridugo's playing. He knows his guys, his everyday

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players, and it's paying off for
him. Right. That's the way it

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works. That's the good news.
If you're a really good team, you

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have everyday players. That's a big
reason why New York right now might be

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twenty nine and fifteen. You don't
think the Phillies a big reason for their

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success. The primary reason they lead
the league in wins is because Nick Castianos,

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Alec Baum, Kyle Schwarber, Bryce
Harper, j t Rila, Muto,

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Trey Turner, Bryce and Stott and
Brandon marsh are playing every single day.

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Now you're gonna give really Muto a
day off because he's the catcher.

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But that team, I'll give you
an example here. That team, the

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Philadelphia Phillies. I told you they've
got thirty one wins, more than anybody

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else in baseball. New York's got
the most in the American League with twenty

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nine. The Dodgers have twenty nine. The Phillies are thirty one and thirteen.

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So they have played forty four games. Castianos has played in every one

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of them. Baum has played in
forty three of them. Schwarver has played

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in forty two of them. Harper's
played in thirty nine. He was nicked

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up a little bit. Relamuto,
the catcher's played in thirty five of the

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forty four. Bryson or Brandon Marsh
rather has played in thirty eight. Bryson

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Scott has played in thirty nine.
You're damn right, every single day.

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Those are your everyday players. Rob
Thompson is as happy as a pig,

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and you know what, because that's
what he is getting. He's got his

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guys playing every single day. Dave
Roberts, Mookie Betts, Shoey Otane to,

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Oscar Hernandez, Freddie Freeman, Will
Smith, Max Munsey, we Go,

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Gavin Lux. They're all playing forty
games or more. And the Dodgers

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so far this season have played forty
five games. Of those guys I mentioned,

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Max Munsey's played forty that's the fewest. What Will Smith played thirty eight?

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But Will Smith's catcher, so you're
gonna give him a day off once

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in a while. Mentally as much
as physically. Those what the best teams

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do. The load management might be
for teams that just don't know who they

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have. They don't have good players. Look at the teams that are leading

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their divisions and look who's playing on
an everyday basis. Cleveland Guardians lead the

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division. Jose Ramirez has missed two
games. Andre Semenez has messed three games.

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Josh Naylor has missed two games.
They're gonna play every Stephen Kwan is

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injured, but he still played thirty
two so far. Brian Rochio for crying

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out loud, they're shortstop every single
day. Maybe the mindset will change.

605
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:51.920
Maybe I'm the one who's living in
the past way too much, but I

606
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:58.480
think in baseball you need everyday guys
they're used to it. Here's what people

607
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.079
aren't taking into Silly for me to
say that, of course, they're taking

608
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:08.199
load management into account in other sports. Basketball, folks, if you're not

609
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:15.559
playing, your practicing hockey. If
you're not playing, you're practicing. Rarely

610
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:20.519
do you get to a day off. You got a morning skate. More

611
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.760
and more coaches are doing away with
that, by the way. They just

612
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.320
don't feel like it's necessary. They'll
come in, they'll get some cardio win

613
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.159
let's say running or whatever. They'll
get a lift in, perhaps they'll get

614
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:35.760
some treatment. But sometimes they're a
lot of guys. John Tortrello is a

615
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.639
good example of it. Just they
don't believe in the morning skate anymore.

616
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:44.960
The philosophy is individually, but it's
also changing a little bit. So maybe

617
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:50.599
it's changing to baseball. But those
people are still getting their body loose,

618
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:58.280
they're still getting their cardio. In
baseball, those guys are playing every day,

619
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:06.199
so they're not practicing. I don't
think the load management works in baseball.

620
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:14.360
I think guys are the way they
have grown up college baseball, travel

621
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:19.519
teams. They're playing year round.
Their body thrives on it, craves it

622
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:30.000
sometimes the technology can be too much. Colton Palcey, the Athletic Lions writer,

623
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.000
will join us at eight thirty five. We've got techs and your phone

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calls on the Meyer Hotline eight sixty
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Tiger is a Loser Yesterday to nothing. I may even say, haven't scored

650
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:13.679
a run in the last nineteen innings. Casey Mice was really good. You

651
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:23.480
can't expect him or any pitcher to
be perfect. Giving up two runs in

652
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:28.760
a game. And I know it
was the first inning, understood, And

653
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:33.800
I get that it was two batters
deep. You get an infield single and

654
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:41.480
you get a home run. But
Casey Mice gave up two flipping hits,

655
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:46.840
allowed three base runners because he walked
one. He struck out six. He

656
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:53.320
threw ninety pitches, sixty one of
them for strikes. He deserved better.

657
01:07:54.440 --> 01:08:02.559
His offense stinks. They can't score. At one point, Maies retired eleven

658
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:11.880
in a row. Eighteen of nineteen
Tigers hitters. Well, not much to

659
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:16.880
brag about there. Anybody have a
multi hit game? Yeah, Carson Kelly

660
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:23.760
batting ninth, went three for three. The one through six hitters were two

661
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:32.199
for eighteen. As a team,
Detroit left ten on base. They advanced

662
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:41.119
a runner in scoring position just twice. So Miami wins that series fewest wins

663
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.000
in baseball thirteen. They just beat
you two out of three. You know

664
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.359
me, I'm not a huge home
field advantage guy, but they did beat

665
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:54.600
you. At home. That makes
it even worse. To compound the issue,

666
01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:02.880
Trevor Rodgers, who started and got
the Vicar three from Miami, had

667
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:13.439
an ERA going into that game of
eight point five to seven. He's one

668
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:30.039
in six, one win and six
unbelievable. Phillies torched him for nine hits

669
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:34.119
and five runs and three and a
third. Oakland torched him for eight runs,

670
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:41.560
eight hits in two and a third. Atlanta torched him seven hits,

671
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:50.840
five runs in five and two thirds. The Tigers against Trevor Rodgers, who's

672
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:58.039
one in six, has an ERA
just under six now thanks to what he

673
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:05.079
did against Detroit andaged just three hits
in five innings. There's gonna come a

674
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:12.399
point in time where both you and
I are no longer saying it's early.

675
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.359
There's gonna come a point in time
where you and I no longer are saying

676
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:23.840
give them time. There's gonna come
a point in time where you and I

677
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:31.119
are no longer saying I'm starting to
see them turn the corner. We're sure

678
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:39.279
as hell not getting in any of
the articles. No one's writing about it.

679
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:44.119
It's soft shoe city. Let's go
to the Meyer hotline eight sixty six

680
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:45.600
eight three, eight forty eight,
forty three. If this were New York,

681
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:51.920
if this were Philadelphia, if this
were Chicago, they'd be all over

682
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:57.079
this team, all over them.
Ben, who's waiting for us? We've

683
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:00.880
got Jake and Grand Rapids. Jake, good morning to you. How are

684
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:05.079
you? Good morning? We're doing
all right. Uh, just loving this

685
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:11.720
construction we have going on. But
just a couple of thoughts on the tires.

686
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.279
You last segment, you were going
through uh, you know, everyday

687
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:18.600
players, and it seems like the
tires don't have one, not any good

688
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:23.319
ones anyways. I mean you could
say, well, Riley Green's an everyday

689
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:30.039
guy, Torklsen should be an everyday
guy. But there's sporadic in their production.

690
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.079
It's inconsistent. And then we have
a bunch of you know, seemingly

691
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:40.000
role players, you know Carrie,
you know one seal uh Kna, guys

692
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:45.000
like that that are just filling guys
that don't play one hundred and forty five

693
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:48.760
games a year, and it's showing. And I know last year they were

694
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:54.920
futrid April and May, and then
that start kind of just took them out.

695
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.880
And I think we're starting to see
that. You know, we had

696
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:01.840
a hot start because we were playing
bad teams and now we're losing the teams

697
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:08.199
that we really should be. I
mean, you have underperforming Astros team that

698
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:12.600
you lost two out of three and
you really should have won or swept.

699
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.479
Same thing with the Marlins, you
know, and just you know, seeing

700
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:21.760
the day to day status, it
seems like these guys, you know,

701
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:26.279
they get hits here and there,
but they're not getting hits when it matters.

702
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:30.199
You know, they're you know,
hits when we have runners in scoring

703
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:34.720
position has got to be bottom five, Like, you just don't get hits.

704
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:39.279
And when you do get hits,
that's the game that you win eleven

705
01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:42.720
to two or whatever it is,
and that's just too far in between.

706
01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:47.119
And you're losing games to teams that
are fifteen games under five hundred. It's

707
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:53.399
just at this point it's almost unacceptable. I mean, your team's kind of

708
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:57.680
spiraling. You know, you got
three or four pitchers that should be you

709
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.319
know, five or six wins at
this point. You know, you got

710
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:04.119
Resols and who's been pitching out of
his mind. Jack Flaherty doing pretty much

711
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:09.479
the same thing, and you know
mis has been turning it on. And

712
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:15.680
obviously Scooby you just you can't really
put a better pitching staff together, and

713
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:20.359
our offense just falls on the space
continuously. And it's you know, as

714
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:28.239
a Tigers fan that grew up with
those teams in the early twenty tens that

715
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:32.840
were pushing for Pennant, it's it's
completely one eighty and it's it's hard to

716
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:36.520
watch most nights, to be honest, that's well said. Man, it

717
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:41.159
really is, and it's passionate and
I love that about it. Here's the

718
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:45.720
other thing I would tell you,
So you grew up watching those Tiger teams.

719
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.119
Just to go back to what we
were talking about a little bit before,

720
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:49.840
and then we'll get to what you
were saying. If you look at

721
01:13:49.840 --> 01:14:00.880
those teams, what did you have
had every you had everyday players. Alexafila

722
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.399
is the catcher. He played one
hundred and forty one games. And Alexavila

723
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.119
was the catcher. He played one
hundred and forty one. Miguel Cabrera played

724
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:10.680
one hundred and sixty one games.
Johnny Parolta played one hundred and forty six

725
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:15.760
games. Right Austin Jackson played one
hundred and fifty three games. Victor Martinez,

726
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.319
I know he's the DH. He
played one hundred and forty five games.

727
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:24.520
Those are those are good numbers.
Those are numbers you want to see.

728
01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:31.359
You need. Brandon Inge played up
well over one hundred games. Those

729
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:36.319
are the things you need. That's
that's a big reason why this team back

730
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:44.520
then was successful. It's why you
wanted. It's what created your your passion

731
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:49.319
for this team. When a team
is good, Look, go ahead.

732
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:54.319
I was just gonna say, and
you had the best of both worlds.

733
01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:59.039
You had all those guys, and
then you also had a pitching staff,

734
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:03.079
you know, sure or Verlander,
Porcello, go down the list. Those

735
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:08.479
guys were getting offense, and we'll
have to say that we wouldn't, you

736
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.760
know, if we had one or
two guys. And you know, I

737
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:15.319
don't want to harp on Riley Green
and Tortos in well maybe just Riley Green

738
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.680
because it doesn't seem like either of
those guys have anybody to protect them in

739
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:25.960
the lineup. Look, I don't
take yeah, don't. I don't disagree

740
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:30.760
with you. It's it's it's impossible
to disagree with the statements you're making.

741
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:34.720
It's impossible because it's so true.
And it's why I was so upset in

742
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:39.000
the off season, and it's why
when I was doing the show, I

743
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:43.720
said, why didn't you go out
and get more offense? And it's not

744
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.960
that I have anything against Jill Orchelle. It's not that I have anything against

745
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:51.159
Mark Canna. It doesn't address your
need and if you think a guy and

746
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.199
thanks for the phone call, Jake, I love the passion. I appreciate

747
01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:59.520
the conversation. It's a great jumping
off point for this entire segment. But

748
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.000
if you think about this, we
all know this is what we've been told

749
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:06.720
by management. Whether the management is
in the dugout or in the front office,

750
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:13.159
here's what we've been told. It's
a really hard transition for young guys

751
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:19.279
to make the major leagues. So
you should not have expected or counted on

752
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:28.279
a really big production season from cold
Keith. I mean, with that mindset

753
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:34.159
right, it just doesn't happen very
often guys who are quick risers. I

754
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:40.159
could see it a Bobashett of Vladimir
Guerrero Junior for example, Alex Bregman.

755
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.960
Colt Keith wasn't that guy. I'm
not saying he's not going to be the

756
01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:49.359
guy, because I believe he's going
to be a really good hitter. I

757
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:55.720
think the track record is there based
on his minor leagues and everything that he's

758
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.199
done, so I think he's going
to be a good hitter. But I

759
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:09.359
sure wasn't banking on him being a
primary run producer this year. Knowing that

760
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:15.079
you had it to you had to
find something to surround the Greens, the

761
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:21.399
Torkulsen's, the Carpenters, with established
run producers, you didn't do it.

762
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:34.960
One of the big influences in Jake's
Tigers baseball life, he mentioned, you

763
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:40.560
know the twenty ten, twenty eleven, whatever it may be, look at

764
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:46.960
the twenty nineteen. They finished second. Cabrera won sixty, plaus Deo Polanco

765
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:54.079
won fifty three, Brandon Ainge won
sixty one, Curtis Granderson won sixty or

766
01:17:54.159 --> 01:18:06.399
Donia's one thirty one steady for the
most part, every day guys, they're

767
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:12.000
not They weren't playing one hundred and
fifty plus games for the sake of playing

768
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:17.199
it. They were playing it because
they were really good at what they did

769
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:24.439
and because they were leading your team
to wins. So you don't want to

770
01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:29.880
take them out of the lineup.
His point is valid. Jake's point is

771
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:34.399
completely valid. I could sit there
and say, tell you know what,

772
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:40.279
Torkosen's playing forty one, Green's playing
forty three, can is playing forty,

773
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:45.720
Verrling's playing thirty nine, Carpenter's playing
forty. You need the production with it.

774
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.159
I'm not just using those guys as
the example, because we spent a

775
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:56.319
good majority of our show yesterday on
the disappointment of one Hobby or Bayez,

776
01:18:56.479 --> 01:19:02.600
who's played thirty seven games for this
team. I'll go back to my reoccurring

777
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:11.199
mindset and argument of teams, whether
they're good or bad. If you're in

778
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:15.159
the other dugout in this situation in
baseball, if you're in the other dugout,

779
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:19.159
you're the manager of the opposing team, and you're looking at the lineup

780
01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:27.920
card, how many of those guys
do you want in your lineup? For

781
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.920
some it may sound too simplistic,
but it's a good gauge. If you're

782
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:39.920
a good manager or a good team
and you're on the other side of the

783
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:48.680
field and you're looking across the diamond, pick a guy, Pick a manager.

784
01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:58.640
Steven Volde of Cleveland, Scott Service
of Seattle, Aaron Booda the Yankees,

785
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:04.199
Those are your three right and hide
for Baltimore. How many of those

786
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:09.840
guys are in their dugout looking across
the way and going, I really wish

787
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:15.079
we had a guy like this for
the Tigers. That's what I would ask

788
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:19.600
myself when I put together a team. How many of those guys? And

789
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:25.000
they don't have to be every day
players at that position. I'd like to

790
01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:28.039
have everyday players, but if they're
not at that position. Look, I

791
01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:33.399
like Matt Vierling a lot. He's
a grinder man, he gets after it.

792
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:40.720
Matt Vierling will help a team.
Now, do you want him in

793
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:42.920
center field every day? No?
Do you want him at third base every

794
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.920
day? No? Do you want
him in right field every day? Probably

795
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:49.399
not, but you want him somewhere. That's the creativity of a manager.

796
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:54.600
And every team has that guy.
But you can't have a lot of them.

797
01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.600
I don't care who you are.
I used to say this a hinch

798
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:04.000
all the time. When you were
in Houston, you were driving him innim

799
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:13.560
Park. Here's what you knew.
You knew that you had Guriel at first,

800
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:17.920
all two A at second, you
had Bregman at third, you had

801
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:26.319
Korea at short, you had Springer
in the outfield. And I'm missing a

802
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:31.920
player because Kyle Tucker, I don't
think was there just yet. So Jordan

803
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:42.319
Olivarez maybe probably more of a dh
chas McCormick. Now he had six guys

804
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:49.359
that every day, Six of his
eight were everyday guys. How do you

805
01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:58.600
beat that? There are some who
will say publicly, I want the versatility,

806
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.520
I want to be able to move
guys around. What I would say

807
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to that is bull roar. You
want to have some guys like that,

808
01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:19.119
but you don't want to have all
those guys, or you don't want to

809
01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:26.840
have more guys like that than not
no, no, no, no,

810
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:32.199
no no. You want to have
the everyday guys. Michael Brantley might have

811
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been the other guy by or no
dumb sorry it was Jake marisnik Brandley came

812
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:44.800
later. Those are the guys you
want to have, and the Tigers don't

813
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:49.199
have it. As simple as that
right now, they do not have it.

814
01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:55.560
You want the guy if you're gonna
win over one hundred games, that's

815
01:22:55.680 --> 01:23:00.720
that's primarily what you're gonna have,
the every day guy. And if you

816
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:06.399
have a guy who's gonna play like
Hinch and Houston head Marwin Gonzalez, is

817
01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:11.600
he playing left field every day?
Probably not, or a or a Josh

818
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:15.199
Reddick. Is he playing right field
every day? Probably not, but more

819
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:21.319
often times they are. You're gonna
filter in a Tony Kemp back in the

820
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day or a Tyler White, but
you're gonna those other guys they're posting more

821
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:33.600
often times than not in your lineup. And that's what you gotta have.

822
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:41.520
Meyer hotlines open for you eight sixty
six eight three, eight forty eight forty

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twenty one thousand. Appreciate the call
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ninety six point one FM. The
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We'll talk more with you and get
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or other things. Get some facts
and come back in ceev, you can't

856
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handle the truth. I told our
players you need a bit more like a

857
01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:36.199
dog. We don't need a bunch
of cats in here looking in the mirror.

858
01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:40.399
But I look good. I got
my extra bands on, I got

859
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my other shoes. Be a doll. We don't need no meals, we

860
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don't need no cats. We need
more dolls. There not a detainer.

861
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:51.199
Ah, you're not. At the
time, we weren't good. There's no

862
01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:54.880
sense of asking me things about the
game. I'm telling you we laid an

863
01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:57.439
egg. So I'm not going to
break it down for you. He sucks.

864
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:01.319
He sucks in an egg. That's
all I have to say. Guys,

865
01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:03.560
I'm sorry. I'm not going to
break it down for you. Nothing

866
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:06.680
went well for us. It's on
us. We have to figure it out

867
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:12.239
and we went dad. All right, Lions, we'll try and figure out

868
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:15.920
their schedule. We've got it set
and we will talk with our friend Colton

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Pouncing from in the Athletic coming up
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could follow him on Twitter or on
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Welcome to Xus and Bros. Ben
is our producer. At times he gets

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a little loaly, so join him
on the Myer Hotline. Eight sixty six

873
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:40.399
eight three eight forty eight forty three. Tigers lose to zip to the Marlins

874
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:43.920
yesterday. They've been shut out in
back to back games. They have today

875
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:48.520
off and they're headed to Arizona next. What a weird deal for Willie Castro

876
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:56.920
boneheaded play against the Yankees in the
New York for nothing. When he was

877
01:27:56.960 --> 01:28:00.600
in center field, he didn't know
how many the outs there were. This

878
01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:08.920
is what it sounded like. Field
is hit and there's a line drafts centerfield

879
01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:12.640
coming on Castro. He'll make the
catch and he thinks, says two men

880
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:17.279
out coming home and scoring on the
sac fly his torres. Oh what a

881
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.520
boat headed played by Castro. He
was running to the dugout thinking that was

882
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:28.880
the third outs and its two nothing. Egches. He made a blunder yesterday

883
01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:32.720
as well. He misplayed a ball
in center field. And this when you

884
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:38.399
look how he cadillacts it, thinks
his two outs. I love that phrase.

885
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.079
It look how he cadillacts it.
Yankees would go on and win it

886
01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:44.840
for nothing, all right. In
the NBA, Dallas beats OKC one oh

887
01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:46.920
four ninety two. They shoot fifty
two and a half percent. They're up

888
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.319
three games to two in the series. Luka Doncic was the best player on

889
01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:56.680
the floor thirty one points, ten
boards, eleven assists. The Thunder,

890
01:28:56.840 --> 01:29:00.319
one of the best offensive teams in
basketball, held to a season and low

891
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:06.119
ninety two points. Meanwhile, Boston
enns Cleveland season one thirteen to ninety eight

892
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:13.520
Jason Tatum led the way one a
sishi of a triple double. Lion's schedule

893
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.319
is out. As we mentioned,
we're going to talk with Colin Colton Palsey

894
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897
01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:36.840
And in the NHL. Colorado upends
Dallas five to three. They scored three

898
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:42.159
times in the third. They trailed
three games to two. They had to

899
01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:45.520
have it all right. Golf,
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It's the PGA Championship in Valhalla that
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901
01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:59.800
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Wallace are all at one under par

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quote unquote favorites with Tief A little
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sixty six eight three eight forty eight
forty three. Ben, let's go there.

905
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:18.439
Yeah, we got Trucker B listening
on ninety six point won the game.

906
01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:26.159
Nice Trucker B, how are you
today frustrated this two days in a

907
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:30.199
row. You got me riled up
on these tires because right I you know,

908
01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:32.720
I no, well no, because
it's the same thing that goes through

909
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:36.720
my mind. Why do we not
have? This is what bugs me is

910
01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:42.199
a lineup? Why do you not
have a set lineup? He moves people

911
01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:46.600
from bat and first that and forth
that and fifth bat and third, you

912
01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:53.720
know, and he keeps shuffling him
around, and that just to me brings

913
01:30:54.600 --> 01:31:00.119
inconsistency and continuity. It's just that
there's no cohesive in that way. And

914
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:04.720
the same with the with the field
who's playing every day. Like you said,

915
01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:15.199
why do we not have a set
stable lineup and a set stable defense?

916
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.880
It's just frustrating to me. And
the thing too, is like the

917
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.439
other day I was getting ready to
leave. I had I got to leave

918
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:26.680
by certain times to the laws and
stuff, and I was empty r and

919
01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:30.159
I had another driver text me and
it was with the results from this pitching.

920
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:32.720
He says he leave them in for
the night. I said, heck,

921
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:38.399
yeah, he deserved it. But
they're too concerned about pitch count.

922
01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:44.680
And I gets frustrating that they just
keep shuffling pictures in and out like that,

923
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:48.479
even if they're having a good game. And I just I don't understand

924
01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:55.239
it. I just don't know what
the logic is. And I understand the

925
01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:59.439
left on right and the right on
left. I get why he's doing that.

926
01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:05.399
But like you said, why do
first of all? First of all,

927
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:09.479
that's not always why he does it, all right, He doesn't always

928
01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:15.720
go lefty righty. He goes based
on the type of picture you're getting against

929
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:19.039
the type of hitter he's facing in
the situation. So, for example,

930
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:25.600
if he wants a ground ball pitcher, so Jason Foley is that guy to

931
01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:31.000
induce possibly a double play. It's
not necessarily right on right or lefty on

932
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:35.119
left. That's not how he That's
not what his mindset is. He he

933
01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:39.439
looks at the numbers, he looks
at the tendencies and things of that nature.

934
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:42.479
But let me let me ask you
this, and I think you bring

935
01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:49.239
up a really interesting point. Do
you look at their unwillingness to commit to

936
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:57.000
a specific batting order with guys in
certain spots as a weakness or a strength.

937
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:02.640
I think it can be a strength
when you have a set lineup,

938
01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:12.439
because like what color earlier was talking
about, no protection well, you aren't

939
01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:20.319
going to have that protection. If
you have let's say, hiamayas behind Torkleson,

940
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:26.199
I just all throw three fighters outside
and he's gonna swing them. Well,

941
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:30.000
they know, you know, pitch
to Tarkleson or the green. Okay,

942
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.079
But here's the only thing I would
say there, Trucker, is this,

943
01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:40.159
if your team isn't very good offensively, and you would agree with me

944
01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:44.960
right that they are not very good
offensively, is that fair to say?

945
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.000
No? Not? Okay, not
at all? Okay, Yeah, zero's

946
01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:53.560
two days, so well, but
it's not just the two days. Last

947
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:57.159
year there are only two teams.
Last year was only two teams that scored

948
01:33:57.239 --> 01:34:01.680
fewer runs. This year there's a
handful of teams at Seattle. It's Washington,

949
01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:05.840
Miami, Pittsburgh, Saint Louis,
Toronto and Chicago who have scored fewer

950
01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:11.880
runs than the Tigers. So you
would admit, So if they don't have

951
01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:15.279
that team, what do you do
as a manager? You can't keep doing

952
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:20.000
the same thing every day. You
have to try to find something that will

953
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:26.720
ignite your offense. If that requires
moving guys around in the lineup. Look

954
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:29.960
at the beginning of the year,
Spencer Truckolsen was hitting him the top four.

955
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:34.199
When you struggle and you don't go
hit a homer until game number thirty

956
01:34:34.199 --> 01:34:38.960
five, you're not going to keep
hitting him third or fourth, you Truck

957
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:43.520
or b would go crazy. Ryan, No, I understand that, don't

958
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:46.760
know, but I mean, but
he hasn't started out that way. Now,

959
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:51.079
Yeah, you reward those, you
know, like Perez. Okay,

960
01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:55.720
he comes up, you don't know
what the heck he's gonna do. You

961
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:59.920
just got him in for pilling all
of a sudden. Oh, this kid

962
01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:04.000
showing more than what we understand,
So you rewarded me. Moved on.

963
01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:09.640
Yesterday had a couple of bonehead swings
and bases loaded. But anyway, yeah,

964
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.560
and that's and that's what frustrates me
is I sit there and I look

965
01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:20.439
and I watch his team, and
it seems like when there's guys in scoring

966
01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:26.680
position that are just putting the bat
on the ball, try to create something.

967
01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:30.479
They're out there to try to be
heroes and fling for the fences.

968
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:34.199
And I get so frustrated with that
exit velocity. You hit the ball hard.

969
01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:36.640
You hit the ball hard. To
me, I don't care if you

970
01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:42.880
hit a bloop single or a dribbler
down the line or whatever. I hit

971
01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:45.840
as a hit. As a hit, as a hit, you gotta move

972
01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:51.439
the runners along. I get it, and exit the exit the exit velo.

973
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:54.199
I'm sorry had to cut you off
because we got to go to a

974
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:57.479
break. The exit velo is important
because it means you're squaring the ball up.

975
01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:00.520
But yeah, I hear what you're
saying. It's it's difficult when you've

976
01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:03.399
got guys betting one to seventy one, two hundred and sixty seven, two

977
01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:11.520
fifteen, and you know to forty
one you're not finding a lot of a

978
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986
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.199
the Tigers offense is power going into
Wednesday night's game, Detroit's thirty seven homers

987
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:49.000
ranked twenty second in baseball. They're
slugging percentage ranked the same, and they're

988
01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:54.199
on base plus slugging or ops is
even worse, ranking twenty fifth in the

989
01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:58.279
game. They need power. Spencer
Torkolsen is key to that he had gone

990
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:01.279
hormerless in his first thirty seven games
before grilling homers and back to back games.

991
01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:04.720
Now. Some overreacted to his homeless
slump, but as he said,

992
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:08.640
it was too small a sample size
to get him down. He needed to

993
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:12.079
get the feeling and then it's repeatable. I don't know if he'll duplicate his

994
01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:15.640
thirty one homer ninety four RBI numbers
from a year ago, but he's got

995
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to contend. We're teeing off our tenth

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1004
01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:26.680
on this Thursday. The Meyer hotline
eight six eight three, eight forty eight

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01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:30.960
forty three and the text line is
Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I

1006
01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:34.359
know we got some texts I've been
waiting on, and Ben, my apologies

1007
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:38.000
want to get to those texts.
But we had some good callers and we

1008
01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:42.199
had some important content that I thought
needed to be mentioned. Let's get to

1009
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:44.279
some of those texts right now.
Ben, go ahead, all right.

1010
01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:47.279
If the Tigers don't win this division, aj Hint should be fired. He

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01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:50.560
has allowed the rest of the season
to wake up these bats in any way

1012
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:58.720
possible. Maybe starting with some passion
would be a good start. Managers and

1013
01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:06.479
coaches are always going to be the
first people to be ridiculed and have those

1014
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:15.680
poignant fingers pointed at you. Can
only do so much with the roster you've

1015
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:21.520
been given. I'm not sure about
the passion. I don't get that.

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01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:30.760
I would love to know what you
need in passion, Like do you where's

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01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:42.640
the passion you see in Dave Roberts, Mike Schilt, San Diego, Stephen

1018
01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:53.000
Vote in Cleveland? So far?
I think sometimes we misidentify passion or the

1019
01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:57.920
lack thereof in this regard. And
I've said this time and time again.

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01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:03.479
If you're go into a game,
can you see the manager in the dugout?

1021
01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:10.079
Depending on where you sit, what
is the expectation. It's not like

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01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:15.520
he hasn't been has shown passion.
He's been ejected from games in his managerial

1023
01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:20.520
career and in his Tigers managerial career. If that's what you think is passion,

1024
01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:28.159
do you want him chewing out guys
in the dugout? Are you hoping

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01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:38.000
to read about closed door meetings?
Just because he's not screaming and yelling on

1026
01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:42.279
the field of play doesn't mean that
there is a lack of passion. He's

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01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:50.880
the same manager who is highly successful
in Houston. He's one of the best

1028
01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:59.439
managers in baseball. There's no doubt
about that. Now you can disagree with

1029
01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:04.079
moves. I get that. I
think every fan base is going to disagree

1030
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:09.720
with their manager and their coaches at
some point, even if that manager is

1031
01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:14.439
successful. But the passion thing,
I think you need to leave at the

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01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:18.600
door because you're not seeing him.
There's no camera on him showing him.

1033
01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:25.399
I should say, for the entire
game. Game lasts three hours, two

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01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:29.560
hours and forty minutes. You're not
seeing him for two hours and forty minutes.

1035
01:41:29.960 --> 01:41:33.279
You're seeing him on cutaway shots.
If you're at a ballgame, are

1036
01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:36.800
you only watching him? Are you
watching him try to set things up,

1037
01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:40.760
Talk to his bench coach, talk
to his pitching coach, talk to certain

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01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:44.279
players. Just because you're not losing
your mind doesn't mean you're not passionate.

1039
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:49.760
But I do under so I completely
disagree with that aspect of it. I

1040
01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:56.479
do understand how your frustration boils over
if this team doesn't win the division and

1041
01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:00.279
points toward the manager. I wonder
how much that is pointed toward the front

1042
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:05.399
office. The front office is the
one who put this team together, gave

1043
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:13.640
you the choices. Is there a
player who is not currently on this twenty

1044
01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:17.640
six man roster who you think should
be on the roster, and it's aj

1045
01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:26.760
Hinch's fault. The other question I
would ask you how many I've always felt

1046
01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:30.880
this as false. How many games
do you think a manager wins or loses

1047
01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:33.760
for a baseball team, Because if
you talk to the baseball elite, they'll

1048
01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:36.920
tell you five or six where they
make a difference, which I think is

1049
01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:41.479
bull crap. I think it's more
than that, much more than that,

1050
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:46.680
especially in baseball, because pitching changes
rosters, pinch hitting situations, and so

1051
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:51.720
on and so forth. If this
team doesn't win the division, some thing's

1052
01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:59.520
got to change drastically. We've said
this for years. Now that this division

1053
01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:05.479
is winnable, you have to ask
yourself first, is this team underachieving?

1054
01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:15.319
Based on what? Are there players
so good that you think the manager is

1055
01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:21.880
getting in the way, And then
you can then you can debate on whether

1056
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:28.319
or not the manager should be fired. Are they underachieving or is this team

1057
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:35.199
just not good enough structurally from a
roster standpoint, which is what I think

1058
01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:41.600
it is so far this year.
Are players underachieving? Certain players, absolutely,

1059
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:45.399
But when you look at the roster, you didn't think it was that

1060
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:50.399
good anyway. If you're being honest, all right, what's another text there,

1061
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:54.920
Ben, Yeah, it says an
insert and former Alliance head coach.

1062
01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:59.760
Over the years and after four years
for most of them, if they under

1063
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:04.840
they were showing the door. Aj
though flowers are thrown his way and fans

1064
01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:11.039
think he has no say in these
moves and hires are delusional. That's from

1065
01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:15.359
fat Yeah. Freddie's right. I
don't know who in the world thinks that

1066
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:19.560
he's not having a say. That's
ridiculous. He and Scott Harris have a

1067
01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:29.680
saying just about everything. Absolutely.
On the other hand, the difference Freddy

1068
01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:35.840
with the Lions, bad example,
they never had a winner four years of

1069
01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:42.680
Jim Schwartz. You're damn right,
X amount of years with Rod Mayornelly,

1070
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:45.439
you're damn right. X amount of
years with Steve Mariucci. You're damn right.

1071
01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:50.720
I mean, come on, Freddie. Wayne Fotz is the all time

1072
01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:59.399
winning his coach in Lion's history.
Also losing coach in Lion's history. They

1073
01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:05.920
weren't winning, dude, They never
won anything. A J. Hinch has

1074
01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:14.359
won something. He won a World
championship. In addition to that, he

1075
01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:21.119
took over a team that was god
awful, absolutely horrid. You know that

1076
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:30.560
he gets to Detroit. Look at
the lineup for crying out Loud, It's

1077
01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:41.760
not that hard to figure out.
He comes in in twenty twenty one and

1078
01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:46.399
he won seventy seven games that nobody
thought that they would win. And you

1079
01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:53.520
did it with Eric has, Jonathan
Scope, Willie Castro, Nico Goodrum,

1080
01:45:53.800 --> 01:46:02.479
Jammercandelario, Robbie Grossman, to kill
Badou, No, Mar Mazara, Harold

1081
01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:08.039
Castro, Victor Reyes. Come on, man, I'm not making excuses for

1082
01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:14.000
him. And yes they took a
turn for the worst the following season and

1083
01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:17.000
then last year with seventy eight wins. Look at the lineup that they have,

1084
01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:27.600
use like you could complain about certain
guys absolutely like Scott Harris trading for

1085
01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:32.479
Nick Maton for crying out loud?
Where's Nick Maton? Now? Oh Wolfy,

1086
01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:36.760
let's all, let's all get fired
up for Wolfy? Right? Two

1087
01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:45.279
of the three guys he traded for
from Philadelphia for Greg Risotto and Cody Clemens.

1088
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:46.800
Cody Clemens still playing for Hi,
Greg Risota is still playing for You

1089
01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:55.600
get one guy, Matt Feerling.
It's a bad move, But look at

1090
01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:59.520
the lineups. As I said earlier
in the show, how many other managers.

1091
01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:01.319
You're the manager, and the other
dugout how many other managers are looking

1092
01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:03.880
at the Tiger's lineup and going,
Man, I'll tell you what. I

1093
01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:06.439
gotta have a Keel Bado. I
gotta have Nick Mayton, I gotta have

1094
01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:14.960
how your bias. I gotta have
Zach McKinstry. On the other side,

1095
01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.600
Colton Pouncey of the Athletic He'll join
us to talk Lions in NFL. Looking

1096
01:47:18.640 --> 01:47:23.560
forward to this conversation coming up next
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underscore pouncy. He joins us now to

1119
01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:40.079
talk Lions in NFL. Colton,
hope you and your family are well,

1120
01:49:40.520 --> 01:49:43.800
glad that you've joined us here on
Exes and Bros. When you looked at

1121
01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:47.960
the Lions schedule, what's the first
thing that jumped out to you, besides

1122
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:53.520
the national appearances that the Lions so
rightfully deserve because they're a fun team to

1123
01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:57.279
watch. Yeah, I think you
have to start with Week one, and

1124
01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:00.800
you know, I think that's such
a sign of respect to have a matchup

1125
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:03.079
like that, you know, against
the Rams after what we saw in January

1126
01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:05.680
in that matchup. This is really
the second year in a row that we've

1127
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:09.319
seen the lines kind of get that
respect right Like last year they started with

1128
01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:12.279
the Chiefs on Opening Night. I
thought that was really cool. I thought

1129
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.199
that was sort of the next step
for them. So, you know,

1130
01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:17.560
even the national games aside, just
to get that match up, you know,

1131
01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:24.359
Sunday night football against the Rams in
Detroit. Welcome Matthew Stafford back again.

1132
01:50:24.439 --> 01:50:28.079
I thought that was a great first
week matchup and assign that again,

1133
01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:30.720
the Lions are just continuing to get
this sort of respect across country. I

1134
01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:34.079
read that they have the eleventh toughest
schedule in the league that is based on

1135
01:50:34.239 --> 01:50:39.159
records from a year ago. Overall
playing the teams that they're playing, the

1136
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:43.920
AFC East, the NFC West,
obviously within their own division. How do

1137
01:50:43.960 --> 01:50:45.520
you look at the schedule in general? I don't want you to pick wins

1138
01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:49.920
and losses. That's not fair because
Colton Pouncy doesn't know who's going to be

1139
01:50:49.920 --> 01:50:53.920
on the Lions yet, he doesn't
know what the team said he's playing.

1140
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:58.359
That's just strictly for editors and for
people to try and you know, try

1141
01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:00.640
to read too much into a crystal
ball. But overall, when you look

1142
01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:04.600
at the schedule, what do you
notice about it? And then you know,

1143
01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:08.680
maybe kind of get you jacked up
a little bit about the eleven toughest

1144
01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:11.920
schedule. Yeah, you know,
it does look like a tough schedule on

1145
01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.880
paper. Obviously, when you finish
first place the year before, you're going

1146
01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:16.720
to have a first place schedule next
year and play some of those teams.

1147
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:20.319
So yeah, you're all going to
play some tougher teams. At the same

1148
01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:23.159
time, I think the Lines are
a better team than they were a year

1149
01:51:23.199 --> 01:51:26.399
ago, and they went twelve and
five with a second place schedule, you

1150
01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:29.520
know, last season, so I
think it kind of bounces out when you

1151
01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:31.920
look at the additions they made this
offseason, you know, revamping the cornerback

1152
01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:36.560
room, replacing Jonah Jackson with the
Pro Bowl guard, and Kevin Zeitler adding

1153
01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:40.119
defensive tackle with JJ readers. So
I look at the pieces they made,

1154
01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:43.760
I think they can still compete with
pretty much anyone on their schedule. There's

1155
01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:45.920
gonna be some tough games, of
course, you know, they go they

1156
01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:48.359
go to San Francisco late in the
season. That could be a game that

1157
01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:54.119
decided the one seed potentially in the
NFC. They've got a lot of tough

1158
01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:56.640
games on the road. They play
the text ands of cowboys on the road,

1159
01:51:56.720 --> 01:52:00.319
So not could be easy by any
stretch. But I do think they've

1160
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:01.720
shown they can compete with some of
the better teams on their schedule, and

1161
01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:04.399
they're not gonna be a fay to
take on any team that they play.

1162
01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:13.640
Yeah, you mentioned Zeitler, Carlton
Davis really big. What about Marcus Davenport.

1163
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:15.720
How much of an impact can he
make at the defensive end spot.

1164
01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:19.079
Yeah, to me, it's all
about he can stay healthy. You know,

1165
01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:23.520
this coaching staff kind of you know
saw him up close in New Orleans

1166
01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:28.159
and Campbell there and Glen they're part
of the Vigne that drafted him back then

1167
01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:30.720
and when he was really playing his
best football in twenty twenty one. I

1168
01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:35.399
believe it was twenty twenty one season, a high passless win rate, was

1169
01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:39.359
getting guys one on one, was
set in the edge, was stopping the

1170
01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:42.600
run, just getting some pastorless shoots
on the outside. He's kind of this

1171
01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:45.439
do it all defensive end and the
Lions haven't had a player like that opposite

1172
01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:48.600
of Aiden Hutchinson. And so to
me, the question is can he stay

1173
01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:51.760
healthy. He really hasn't since that
twenty one season. Even back then,

1174
01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:55.680
I believe he only played eleven games, so he's really never proven that he

1175
01:52:55.720 --> 01:52:59.119
can do it over the course of
a full season. If he can even

1176
01:52:59.159 --> 01:53:01.960
get like twelve games out of him, then you supplement maybe some time this

1177
01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:05.279
with some other guys stepping up.
You know, you can get a productive

1178
01:53:05.319 --> 01:53:08.560
season out of him. It's just
a matter of can you stay healthy.

1179
01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:11.840
Can he rediscover that magic from a
few years ago. I think it's easier

1180
01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:14.439
said than done. You know a
lot of people want to plugging him in

1181
01:53:14.479 --> 01:53:16.199
as that guy but I still think
we need to see it first before we

1182
01:53:16.279 --> 01:53:21.000
kind of you know, write that
in Stone Colton Pounce from the Athletic joining

1183
01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:25.600
as you can follow my ex Colton
underscore pounds. He check out his stuff

1184
01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:29.680
in the Athletic. It's always great
stuff. Jared Goff, we know has

1185
01:53:30.159 --> 01:53:35.479
got the contract extension. He's earned
it. Whether or not the price tag

1186
01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:41.119
you think is warranted really doesn't matter
right now because he's going to be a

1187
01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:45.199
Lion for at least the next five
years and he's the highest paid player in

1188
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:50.560
franchise history. What was your overall
feeling on the contract extension in terms of

1189
01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:57.399
timing and cost from Alliance perspective.
Yeah, Otherwise, I think it makes

1190
01:53:57.439 --> 01:54:00.479
sense, and I was maybe a
little bit surprised they didn't get around the

1191
01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:01.760
same time they did, you know, Saint Brown and Sewell, you know,

1192
01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:03.680
around the draft. But I know, you know, these things take

1193
01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:08.800
time, and quarterback contracts a little
bit tougher to figure out. But yeah,

1194
01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:11.399
I mean in terms of the money
they gave him, like, yeah,

1195
01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:13.960
I think that's sort of the going
rate for an NFL quarterback that's playing

1196
01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:16.000
at a high level these days,
and you know, this is the organization

1197
01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:19.359
that really values Jared Goff and the
contributions he's made to this this froster,

1198
01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:24.039
this franchise. You know, he's
helped them within two playoff games. He's

1199
01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:27.840
want a division title for them.
He's sort of been the glue to all

1200
01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:30.279
of this and kind of the face
of their rebuild as a guy that was

1201
01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:33.439
you know, cast aside and left
the bed in Detroit, so people said

1202
01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:38.199
years ago, and he's bounced back
in ways that a few people thought was

1203
01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:41.840
imaginable. So, you know,
Brad holmesold us every step of the way,

1204
01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:45.159
like we didn't see him as a
bridge. You know, it's it's

1205
01:54:45.359 --> 01:54:47.279
easier to get worse at quarterback than
it is to get better, and so

1206
01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:51.680
he kind of telegraphed these moves like
years ago, and so for it all

1207
01:54:51.720 --> 01:54:55.560
to come full circle, you know
this past week I thought was really cool.

1208
01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:58.640
He's a third of that you know
big trio that they want to get

1209
01:54:58.680 --> 01:55:01.119
done this offseason, and you know
they're ready to go forward with him as

1210
01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:04.760
their quarterback. And I don't think
that's surprising help our audience with how this

1211
01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:09.920
sets up for this team long term. Everybody wants sustainability. It's not easy

1212
01:55:09.960 --> 01:55:13.279
in the NFL. So that's what
makes it really impressible what Kansas City has

1213
01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:15.560
been able to do, or Buffalo
or Pittsburgh in the past, or even

1214
01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:20.479
San Francisco to a certain extent.
What does this mean for this team financially

1215
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:25.960
moving forward with key pieces due up
at some point in the near future.

1216
01:55:27.039 --> 01:55:29.239
Yeah, it certainly makes it tougher, right. I think I wrote that

1217
01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:32.439
they're kind of moving past the hunt
and phase and things are getting real now.

1218
01:55:32.479 --> 01:55:34.279
Because we all knew this day was
coming, They're going to have to

1219
01:55:34.319 --> 01:55:38.560
get all these big money extensions to
their core players to keep these guys around

1220
01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:42.159
and keep their window open as long
as possible. So it was really a

1221
01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:44.680
matter of time. But now that
we're here and these contracts are real,

1222
01:55:45.239 --> 01:55:47.439
it does make sort of the cap
math a little bit tougher going forward,

1223
01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:51.000
and you have to kind of pick
and choose guys you want to keep around

1224
01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:55.960
the guys you've already paid. So
that means, you know, Carlton Davis

1225
01:55:55.960 --> 01:55:59.479
is the free agent in twenty twenty
five, you just drafted two young quarterback

1226
01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:02.520
cornerback, you know early in this
draft class. Maybe you let him walk

1227
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.279
and save some money there, you
know, Taylor Decker. I know he's

1228
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:09.840
been, you know, such a
figure, a force in the city,

1229
01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:13.119
but he's probably gonna want some big
money, you know, next offseason when

1230
01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.600
he's a free agent. So it's
like you kind of got to you can

1231
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:16.720
choose your spots. I'm not saying
that they're not going to bring him back,

1232
01:56:16.720 --> 01:56:20.479
because I think they've had conversations with
him, but those are decisions you

1233
01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:24.680
have to kind of kind of make
when you're giving out the big money four

1234
01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:28.239
hundred and forty four million dollars to
three players over the next few years.

1235
01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:31.359
So it's they were always going to
get here. It was an inevitable position

1236
01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:34.800
for a team like this that's been
drafting well to a point where you can

1237
01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:39.119
resign your own guy if that's what
you want to do. But it does

1238
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:42.479
make it more real and those decisions
are going to be tougher for Brad Holmes

1239
01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:46.880
moving forward for sure. Going back
to Jared Goff, this is the reaction

1240
01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:51.199
I got from some people who disagreed
with the financial commitment. I think it's

1241
01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:56.479
more about the fact that Joe Burrow
is the only other quarterback who makes more

1242
01:56:56.520 --> 01:57:00.640
money on an annual basis than Jared
Goff, which you know, I've tried

1243
01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:04.199
to tell people it's going to fluctuate. I mean, it's all about timing

1244
01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:09.680
in sports in general. But Colton, when people say anybody could step in

1245
01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:15.279
and do what Jared Goff did for
the Lions offense because he's not mobile like

1246
01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:19.279
Patrick Mahomes for example, doesn't have
that massive arm like CJ. Stroud for

1247
01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:24.920
example, what do you say to
those people when they say, just about

1248
01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:28.760
anybody, I'd save the money,
spend it elsewhere. Anybody can go in

1249
01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:30.680
there and set play action because you
have such a great offensive line in a

1250
01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:34.600
solid running game. Yeah, to
me, I would say, why that's

1251
01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:39.279
with what's working right now? You
know, like the Lions haven't been this

1252
01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:42.199
good in a very long time.
We know how hard it is to get

1253
01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:45.079
to this point to where they are
now. I think Jared Goff has kind

1254
01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:46.560
of earned the right to kind of
see this through and see how far you

1255
01:57:46.560 --> 01:57:49.199
can take this team. You know, he has taken a team to a

1256
01:57:49.239 --> 01:57:54.399
super Bowl before in his career.
He's taken this team, you know,

1257
01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:57.399
you know you're talking thirty minutes away
from a Super Bowl last year and the

1258
01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:00.800
way it ended, So I get
him a chance to kind of see it

1259
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.359
through with this group and see how
where you can go. I get everyone

1260
01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:08.000
wants the cheap quarterback and you know, the shining new toys always what's next?

1261
01:58:08.039 --> 01:58:09.680
You know, Hennon Hooker, I
know a lot of people are high

1262
01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:13.760
in him, but you've got a
really good quarterback in jerk Off that has

1263
01:58:14.199 --> 01:58:16.359
the full tention of this locker room, the full respect of it. And

1264
01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:18.399
if you were to move on or
try to rock about right now, I'm

1265
01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:21.199
not sure how well that would go
over in that locker room. And you

1266
01:58:21.239 --> 01:58:25.039
know, you probably make a lot
more enemies and friends with a move like

1267
01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:28.479
that. So to me, it's
like, look, you're in a great

1268
01:58:28.479 --> 01:58:30.439
position, see where you can take
it, you know, ride it out

1269
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:33.560
and then maybe make a decision from
there. But you know, at this

1270
01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:38.479
point they're locked into him, so
it's kind of just about see how far

1271
01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:42.439
he can take them and kind of
letting them play out. You're around him

1272
01:58:42.439 --> 01:58:47.960
and the team every single day,
especially during the in season. What makes

1273
01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:51.800
him so amenable to his teammates because
you see it all the time. I'm

1274
01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:58.239
on, I'm on a russ Saint
Brown set it it at the draft night

1275
01:58:58.359 --> 01:59:01.680
for crying out loud, people are
cheering it at Comerica Park. Why is

1276
01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:05.680
he so likable within his locker room? Yeah, I think he's just like

1277
01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:12.000
this calming presence. You know,
he takes a lot of criticism nationally even

1278
01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:15.039
locally sometimes and he just kind of
like lets everything bounce off of him.

1279
01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:19.279
Like it's really remarkable to see for
a guy who's been through what he's been

1280
01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:23.159
through in his career. I think
his teammates says, see the way that

1281
01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:26.720
he responds to everything that comes his
way, and you know they respect him

1282
01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:30.239
for it. And you know,
even during the playoffs or about the playoffs,

1283
01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:31.800
getting to the playoff un last year, the regular season when they clinched,

1284
01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:34.479
he saw a lot of young players
on this team kind of leaning on

1285
01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:38.760
him as a guy that's you know, been part of a deep postseason run,

1286
01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:41.600
like what should we expect? And
he was sort of the calming veteran

1287
01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:45.039
presence in that room. He really
wasn't that when he was in LA because

1288
01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:46.680
you know, Sean McVay, he
was always kind of, you know,

1289
01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:49.239
over his shoulder. He didn't really
have, you know, sort of the

1290
01:59:49.239 --> 01:59:53.399
freedom to act like this veteran.
But he has that now in Detroit,

1291
01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:57.199
he has, you know, the
playoff experience that people rely on him for,

1292
01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:00.359
so he really captured this locker and
then I think that Rams game,

1293
02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:04.039
you know, this whole team,
I mean the whole city really, but

1294
02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:09.439
the team especially wanted that game for
him. That's why Alman and Rab was

1295
02:00:09.439 --> 02:00:13.119
talking about it opening and during that
week we saw the Jared golf chance around

1296
02:00:13.159 --> 02:00:15.399
the state and then even drafted and
you know, a couple of weeks ago.

1297
02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:19.760
That was really cool to see.
So it's abundantly clear that he has

1298
02:00:19.800 --> 02:00:23.840
the respect and attention to his locker
room and I see it on a daily

1299
02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:26.880
basis, Like these guys rally around
him and they think that he's their guy

1300
02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.279
and he's their leader. So yeah, it's been really cool to see.

1301
02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:33.600
He is Colton Pountcy of the Athletic
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1302
02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:38.119
He joined us here on exes and
Bros. I know, it's difficult to

1303
02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:41.960
answer because of where this team is
at. We don't know what this team's

1304
02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:45.920
going to look like exactly. But
what do you think it's still lacking,

1305
02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:50.640
if at all. That's a good
question because I think this roster has done

1306
02:00:50.680 --> 02:00:56.039
pretty well to kind of address their
holes this offseason. Like I mentioned,

1307
02:00:56.079 --> 02:00:58.840
Hed Reader plugging that defensive tackle role. I think he's going to get the

1308
02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:01.960
best out of ly McNeil. The
cornerback room of Carlton Davis and Terry and

1309
02:01:02.039 --> 02:01:04.800
Arnold nanas rays show I think are
really going to help. If I had

1310
02:01:04.840 --> 02:01:10.199
the point to something, you know, I think it might be the edge

1311
02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:13.520
position. I do like Davenport,
but the question is always going to be

1312
02:01:13.520 --> 02:01:15.880
healthy with him. You know.
I think they lost a few pieces this

1313
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:19.880
offseason, and you know they're counting
on James Houston to be healthy and for

1314
02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:24.680
Josh Paston to making another leap.
I thought they could have used another body

1315
02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:27.319
in that room. I know they
added a CFL defensive Player of the Year,

1316
02:01:27.399 --> 02:01:30.760
Matthew Betts, so maybe he could
be a rotational player that helps him

1317
02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:33.199
out. But you know, relying
on Marcus Davenport for a full season,

1318
02:01:33.199 --> 02:01:36.399
it's kind of a tricky deal.
So maybe they try to get that you

1319
02:01:36.439 --> 02:01:41.479
know, edge by many position across
the maid and huts to send and hope

1320
02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:44.399
for the best. But I did
think they could have us at least war

1321
02:01:44.439 --> 02:01:46.000
more body there. We'll see if
they add one before camp get started.

1322
02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:49.680
But if Mark and Mark Stavenport goes
down at any point during the season,

1323
02:01:49.680 --> 02:01:54.199
I think you feel a little a
little, you know, worrisome about the

1324
02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:57.359
edge position a little bit. We
know what their strength was a year ago

1325
02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:00.399
is up front. I'm a big
believer in the way Brad Holmes is built

1326
02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:03.840
this organization from the inside out.
What do you think their strength is going

1327
02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:10.119
into the season in twenty twenty four
Dash five? Yeah, I still think

1328
02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:13.359
it's the offensive line. You know, the way these guys talked about it,

1329
02:02:13.239 --> 02:02:15.239
it seems like they think they've gotten
even better there, which is you

1330
02:02:15.279 --> 02:02:19.000
know, pretty pretty impressive. True. Just the addition of Kevin Zeitler.

1331
02:02:19.439 --> 02:02:24.119
I think Allie McNeil, you know, the lines obviously played the Ravens last

1332
02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:27.920
year. Allen McNeil was so impressed
with Zeitler. He couldn't get anything you

1333
02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:30.399
want to against him, and he
was, you know, pretty happy to

1334
02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:32.439
have him on his team. Now. You know, he's a guy that's

1335
02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:36.920
respected across the league, great and
pass pass protection. You know, can

1336
02:02:38.039 --> 02:02:41.000
can handle business in the run game. So you put him in a MAX

1337
02:02:41.039 --> 02:02:45.159
with Pne Sewell and Frank Ragnow and
Taylor Decker, you know, Grant Glasgow

1338
02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:46.960
and those guys, this offensive line
is ready to go. I think they're

1339
02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:49.880
going to remain one of the best
of football. That's gonna help Jeric Golf

1340
02:02:49.960 --> 02:02:54.479
outs and help the backs out,
the receivers, the tight ends. I

1341
02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:57.000
think this offense is ready to go
again. And you know, honestly,

1342
02:02:57.039 --> 02:03:00.479
the defense has gotten there too.
So this has really looked like a Lion's

1343
02:03:00.520 --> 02:03:02.119
team. And I'm sure a lot
of people are happy about, you know,

1344
02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:04.840
the roster at Holmes kind of go
over here. Yeah, you and

1345
02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:09.239
I would both agree that Penney Suel
is one of the best at his position

1346
02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:13.079
and one of the best offensive linemen
no matter the position, in all the

1347
02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:18.000
NFL. But Frank ragnow is the
key to that team's success up front because

1348
02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:23.039
of the responsibilities of the center.
How do you think Dan Campbell has and

1349
02:03:23.119 --> 02:03:28.960
will continue to manage keeping one of
the most important pieces in his team healthy

1350
02:03:29.319 --> 02:03:32.840
and fresh, knowing his injury history. Yeah, it's just kind of monitoring

1351
02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:36.119
the workload that he gets. I
imagine there'll be a lighter offseason for him

1352
02:03:36.159 --> 02:03:39.720
just to kind of, you know, keep him fresh throughout the season.

1353
02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:41.279
You know, you know what he
can do at this point, so you

1354
02:03:41.319 --> 02:03:45.319
don't need to push him in OTAs
or even training camp really and during the

1355
02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:48.960
season, you know, there's usually
a day off for him, probably early

1356
02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:51.920
in the week. Just let him, you know, rest and you know,

1357
02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:56.920
fackt him in the game plan later
on. You know, they did

1358
02:03:56.920 --> 02:03:58.800
that really well last year. I
thought, I know, he still got

1359
02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:02.479
banged up in those injuries are inevitable
sometimes, but that's all you can do

1360
02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:04.760
with the player. Like Frank,
I think he said his toe might be

1361
02:04:04.800 --> 02:04:09.760
inoperable at this point, so it's
gonna be a thing that bothers him,

1362
02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:11.640
you know, for the rest of
his career, as long as he keats

1363
02:04:11.640 --> 02:04:14.840
slaying. So yeah, it's just
about work, workload management, you know,

1364
02:04:14.920 --> 02:04:16.159
keeping them fresh, you know,
picking them, choosing spots with him

1365
02:04:16.199 --> 02:04:18.439
and at the end of the day, you know what you can get from

1366
02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:20.279
him. You want him playing at
a high level and you want him to

1367
02:04:20.319 --> 02:04:24.199
be fresh. So that's what's all
about to me. All right. Lastly,

1368
02:04:24.239 --> 02:04:27.600
and you wrote about this in The
Athletic. What did you like about

1369
02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:32.000
their draft most this past sea?
YEA, yeah, I think they got

1370
02:04:32.039 --> 02:04:35.720
some steels in the sixth round,
like Christian Mahogany and Makai Wingo. Those

1371
02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:40.640
are two dudes. I think could
be either rotational pieces or starters within a

1372
02:04:40.720 --> 02:04:44.720
year from now. For wingo,
specifically the defensive tausu. I think you

1373
02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:47.880
can provide some pass roal shoes.
Those are two top one hundred players on

1374
02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:53.039
the athletics board that fell to pick
number one eighty nine and two tens,

1375
02:04:53.039 --> 02:04:55.439
so I think they got a couple
of steels there. I love how they

1376
02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:58.800
addressed the cornerback room early. You
know, to me, it wasn't about

1377
02:04:58.840 --> 02:05:01.000
like there's a lot of talk about
all the Lions haven't drafted a corner in

1378
02:05:01.079 --> 02:05:04.039
the top one hundred picks as Brad
Holme has been here. But the way

1379
02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:06.439
you listen to Brad talk, he's
not going to reach for a position just

1380
02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:11.039
because he needs a position. He's
going to draft the guys that are high

1381
02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:15.119
on his board, the best player
available. It doesn't regardless of position really,

1382
02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:17.720
So the fact that the two highest
players on his board I picked number

1383
02:05:17.800 --> 02:05:20.199
twenty four when they traded up,
and then picked number sixty one the second

1384
02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:24.520
round the corners, I just k
think that was a perfect storm of need

1385
02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:28.439
and BPA and it kind of worked
out perfectly even in the middle rounds.

1386
02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:33.560
You know, Givan Manu the British
Columbia tackle siono Ivaki. Those are two

1387
02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:36.680
guys that might have been unconventional picks, but they just fit. What the

1388
02:05:36.680 --> 02:05:42.760
lines are all about is these gritty, hard nosed, ethic guys. I

1389
02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:45.359
think those guys will contribute sooner rather
than later. So I really like the

1390
02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:47.039
draft class room. I think it
kind of fits what they want to do,

1391
02:05:47.720 --> 02:05:50.439
you know, from a character standpoint
and town wise. Yeah. So

1392
02:05:50.520 --> 02:05:56.079
well said, and it's what I
love and respect most about Brad Holmes.

1393
02:05:56.479 --> 02:06:00.479
He drafts guys. He seems like
the guy who stays true to his board

1394
02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:04.640
just because he may have a need
if that player is a lot further down

1395
02:06:04.680 --> 02:06:09.159
his board than the guy he sees
he's taking the guy he sees, he

1396
02:06:09.239 --> 02:06:12.560
stays true to it. I think
that's a big reason why he's so successful.

1397
02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:15.800
It's obvious why you're successful with the
Athletic. We appreciate the insight,

1398
02:06:15.960 --> 02:06:18.039
We appreciate the time and the thoughts. Have a great rest of your week

1399
02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:20.640
and weekend. Don't be a stranger. We hope to talk to you again.

1400
02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:25.000
Thanks Colton Pouncy for all that you
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