1 00:00:03,799 --> 00:00:13,439 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks, your source of information 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,120 and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Fuck off, that's 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,239 a step hit on. Stay lost, fool. Here's your hosts, Jesse 4 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:27,399 sup Here and Victor Nunjo. Fantasy Hockey Live backs once again to talk fantasy 5 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,560 hockey. Is Jesse Severe of band Tracks and joining me. It's Victor Neunio. 6 00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:36,920 Victor, how you doing today? I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Definitely 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,159 excited to talk some stars. I have a soft spot for the fifty eight 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,560 year old Joe Pavelski. He's doing great things still and I'm excited to hear 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,600 more about him and these stars that have a lot of fantasy upsides. So 10 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:53,640 can't wait to dig into that. Can't wait till also hear how you're doing? 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,079 Yeah, what is it? The stars at night are clean and bright 12 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,280 deep in the heart of Texas, go down in the heart of I'm not 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,439 sure I like this because anybody from Texas is extremely bothered by the way I 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,920 just did that. That's fun, but hopefully the people who are bothered by 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,959 do not include our special guest today, Taylor Barrett, who is going to 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:21,239 talk with us about those Dallas stars, Victor. Before we get there, 17 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:23,879 there are some things our listeners need to know, things that they could do 18 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,840 to be a part of our show. They could join our discord, which 19 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,599 is free. 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People should take a look at that, 37 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,199 but right now they should take a look at the Dallas Stars. Right 38 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:58,520 after this, we'd like to welcome today a guest from Defending Big d. 39 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:00,879 It is Taylor Bear. Taylor, how you doing to talk about the Dallas 40 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Stars? Love it? Dog Basu Summer. Let's go talk to MACKI gotta 41 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:10,479 love it, gotta love it. The Dallas Star is the best of the 42 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,319 four professional sports teams in the metro area, slightly ahead of the Rangers, 43 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,879 and then probably the Mavericks after that, and then I don't know, there's 44 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,719 some other team down there somewhere, but nobody needs to pay attention to that. 45 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,159 This is the way to build rapport with a guest and sult their favorite 46 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:29,599 team within the first thirty seconds of the interview. All right, Taylor, 47 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:35,000 I'm recovering. I am not actually Cowboys fans. You are not Unsilt TV 48 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,080 at all. Oh nice. Just anybody who tunes into this podcast to listen 49 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,439 because it's Dallas content, well, immediately tune out. That's all right, 50 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,439 that's all right. I'm flailing, I'm recovering, but I'm ready to talk 51 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,199 stars. Let's talk about this team from last year, because I'd say it 52 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,080 was a pretty successful season. They were fourth in the West, so you 53 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,599 would think maybe a little down to the standings, but there were only three 54 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,000 points separating them from first place Vegas, and they made it all the way 55 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,360 to the Stanley Cup semifinals, where they lost too again Vegas. You don't 56 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,680 hear as much about Dallas, but in the last five years, these guys 57 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:15,240 have gone to the first round of gone out, second round, conference finals, 58 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:17,680 and Cup finals. Pretty remarkable. They've made it to each round once. 59 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,399 I can think of some teams that would not have minded that record. 60 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,519 In recent years. They've allowed the third fewest goals against. Last year, 61 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:30,839 they scored the seventh most on the eighth most shots. The power play was 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,120 very effective twenty five percent, fifth best execution in the league, and the 63 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,839 penalty killed was smothering eighty three point five percent was the third best. There's 64 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:44,519 seven point eight PIM per game, the league's sixth fewest. Might surprise playoff 65 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,040 watchers who saw the Jamie Ben's stuff. We'll get to him. Maybe that's 66 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,639 too soon, I shouldn't bring him up. But the team definitely has an 67 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:56,040 older coret cadre players and a newer cadre. Does this team believe that they 68 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,199 can get those two timelines of players together for another Cup Finals appearance? Taylor, 69 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Yeah, they absolutely do. I think they actually have a very solid 70 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:12,680 blend of the two now. Like I think in season's past they've been maybe 71 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,040 a little bit too heavy on veteran presence not enough on the younger guys. 72 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:24,319 I think that patience that the GM Jim Nill always preaches about young prospects has 73 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:29,560 paid off for them. We've seen rupe hints bloom. You saw Jason Robertson 74 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:32,680 come in after a season in the AHL and just completely crush it. Didn't 75 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,959 suffer a sophomore slump. It's gotten better every year. Young kid like Wyatt 76 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,079 Johnson comes in at the at training camp. Last years. It makes a 77 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:46,600 team as a nineteen year old and they have a whole slew of them coming 78 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,399 up through the ranks now too, So I think there's a lot of optimism 79 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:58,639 for the Stars that they can continuously turn over key positions and key roles on 80 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,439 the team to some of these younger players. As guys like Tyler Sagan who 81 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:08,079 are coming off from major injuries try to recapture their game, or a decline 82 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,279 of a power forward like Jamie Benn, you can slot him down further down 83 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,120 the lineup better because you've got all these young guys that can take on those 84 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,360 roles. So I think there's a lot to like about Dallas. You started 85 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:23,120 with the guy who, as you say, crushing at Jason Robertson, boy, 86 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:28,120 Dallas just grew themselves a superstar. Forty six goals, sixty three assists, 87 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:30,959 one hundred and nine points in eighty two games at twenty three years old. 88 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,839 Four shots a game, forty one power play points. That's just crazy. 89 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,360 That's just crazy, Victor and I seem as a Tier one player next 90 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:42,279 year. Want to field time slip by quickly. This guy's first game in 91 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,680 the NHL came the month before the pandemic, and now he's an established NHL 92 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,199 veteran. Robertson Pavelski and hints more on. The two later played the most 93 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,639 five on five minutes together of any line in the NHL. I saw. 94 00:06:55,519 --> 00:07:00,480 Robertson's goals were seventh overall in the NHL, and its overall points total second 95 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,600 highest in the fifty six years of Stars history, behind only the eighty one 96 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:11,879 one hundred fourteen points of Bobby Smith back when every goal was being scored and 97 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:16,160 high offense. Ara, let's just say so, Jason Robertson historic season, 98 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:19,480 all the stats off the page. What do you expect for the encore? 99 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,279 Honestly, just more of the same. He's been really consistent. Think about 100 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:30,439 Jason Robertson that I find absolutely fascinating. He is such a student of the 101 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,959 game, so he said last offseason he looked at all of the goals he 102 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:39,360 had scored and realized he hadn't really scored much on a one timer. So 103 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:43,920 he literally spent the summer working on his one timer to try to put that 104 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,920 into his arsenal. So like, he's always looking for ways to enhance his 105 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,600 game, to get better, to give himself more tools. And the thing 106 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:57,399 about Jason Robertson is he's not the fastest guy out there. He's not the 107 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:01,120 flashiest guy out there, he just always seems to find the right place at 108 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:07,240 the right time. He is just has his uncanny knack for timing, and 109 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,480 all of a sudden the goal goes in and you go, wait, how 110 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,279 did he even get there? Like, how did you just forget that Jason 111 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:18,439 Robertson existed? But I think because he doesn't have the flash of this speed, 112 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,240 teams underestimate him to a degree. But also you've got Rupy Hints, 113 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,920 who's super speedy, and Joe Pavelski, who's a wizard at scoring on the 114 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,600 same line. So it's like a choose your own adventure of who you're going 115 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:37,759 to try to shut down that particular night. You mentioned Rupe Hints, and 116 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,519 this is another guy who just blew up again last year thirty seven goals, 117 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,399 thirty eight assists for seventy five points and seventy three games. That was the 118 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,480 career highd points for the fin An upper body injury took him out of a 119 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,559 handful of games in mid January, but otherwise he stayed pretty consistently in the 120 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,159 lineup. His twenty four playoff points were actually tied for third in the NHL, 121 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,919 only a couple of Golden Knights stopped him and they got to play another 122 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:05,799 round. Hints also puts up two and a half shots a game, half 123 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,840 a hit, half a block. Not to nitpick, but the stats I 124 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,799 was looking at Taylor did not back up the silky votes he got last year. 125 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,759 It seems like the defense was maybe just a little more league average than 126 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:22,360 it was outstanding. But maybe maybe I'm seeing that incorrectly. What's the upside 127 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,679 of Rube Hints and what are you expecting this coming year? Before I address 128 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,799 that, I want to address the silky thing. So I think that the 129 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:33,639 stats only tell part of the story. With Rupe Hints. I think they 130 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,159 think, like, if you're not consistently watching Stars Hockey, you don't understand 131 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,840 the impact that he has on both sides of the puck. He does a 132 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:48,519 lot of things that turns defensive rushes to back to offense for his team. 133 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:54,279 He can shut that down because he is so fast and he is an incredible 134 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,960 threat on the penalty kill. So while the stats made up back it up 135 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,559 up, I will say he easily is going to grow into a Selkie contender 136 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,720 because he's just so good and he's just so fast. And when you have 137 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:15,159 a guy out there who can run like a Connor McDavid, he's gonna he's 138 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,879 gonna get noticed. And the fact that the Dallas Stars saw Luke Glendinning depart 139 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,919 this offseason just probably means that Hints ends up with more penalty killing time, 140 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,519 and I think that just makes that case stronger in terms of what to expect 141 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,000 from him this coming season. I think a lot of that is going to 142 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,759 boil down to how Dallas decides to line up their offense. I think there 143 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:43,279 is a lot of people talking about breaking up that trio the Captain American and 144 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:52,159 his wingmates. I think that there's some consideration to be had for trying maybe 145 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:58,240 like Whyatt Johnston between and then dropping Hints down it into that two C role 146 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,399 and maybe trying him out with Duchane and Tyler Sagan and see if you can 147 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:09,480 unlock some offensive potential for those guys. But I think it's actually really hard 148 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:13,120 to sit here in August and say, yeah, definitely break up the one 149 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,039 of the best scoring lines in all of hockey. But it's nice that they 150 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,519 have that option to go back to. So for me, I think it 151 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,279 comes down to how his utilization like pans out this year. But I can't 152 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:30,879 imagine him regressing. I only imagine him being able to provide more in terms 153 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:37,320 of that like penalty killing side. Yeah, the fantasy gms of hence Pavelski 154 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,039 and Robertson don't like that idea, but certainly for Why Johnston, that would 155 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,440 be incredible. We'll get to him a little bit later, but now we 156 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:48,759 are going to talk about the aforementioned Captain America, Joe Pavelski. I think 157 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,960 Jesse and I were a little too pessimistic on him coming into this season. 158 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:54,960 We were thinking he might be around the fiftieth rank forward. He ended up 159 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,320 at thirty seven, thirty seventh overall, and I have to say, you 160 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,759 know, at the beginning of this three year contract he had at seven million. 161 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:05,519 I did not see this coming. I was a long time Sharks fan. 162 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,240 I really loved Joe Pavelski, and I really hoped that he would continue 163 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,759 to do well. But I just because he's so slow and he was slowing 164 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,360 down, I was skeptical. He's proven that he doesn't need that right, 165 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,440 especially with the right linemates that he has, and he's so smart about where 166 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,360 to be and close to the net. At tipping pucks. He's so good, 167 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,360 and even though that first year in Dallas was subpar, he's been fantastic. 168 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,320 And I'm really not sure at this point when his production is going to 169 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,519 fall off, because it just seems like he continues to do really well. 170 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,960 Twenty eight goals forty forty nine to seventy seven point paced last season, along 171 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,360 with twenty seven power play points just incredible, and his hits, blocks, 172 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,840 and shots were sixty seventh at his position. He has been better in the 173 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,200 past, but that's still pretty good, and it seems like he's signing these 174 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,399 one year contracts now three point five million for this year in a cap league. 175 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,120 That's gold for basically a top line player, So you got a lot 176 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,679 like that. The one thing I don't like is looking at his Rampom chart 177 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,080 on Evolving Hockey, his actual goals per sixty were like nearly triple his expected 178 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,519 goals. But I also think that's something he can do because he does like 179 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,159 to stand near the net and tip pucks, and so I've seen this before 180 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,159 from him. He either doesn't get a shot or he tips it and it 181 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,879 goes in. So it's like that can be a really high percentage play because 182 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,480 of how he does it. So I guess Taylor a lot of rambling to 183 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:31,679 ask you, what do you think Pavelski can do this year? Any truth 184 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,600 to the rumors that he's actually Benjamin Button as a hockey player. I think 185 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:41,240 that maybe housing Whyatt Johnston kept him young last season. So he's talked a 186 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,399 lot about that here in Dallas, about how the youth on the team, 187 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,039 the Jason Robertson and and Johnston and Miro he's skinning on the back end, 188 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,200 and how he's excited to play hockey like he's excited to come to the rink 189 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,720 every day. They have a legit shot to win. The one year contract 190 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:03,720 thing I think is overblown a little bit. I think he just recognizes that 191 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,960 at his age he doesn't need multi year deals. I think that there's pretty 192 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,039 much an understood agreement that he's going to be here as long as he wants 193 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,559 to be here in Dallas, at least because the team has a legit shot 194 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,759 at winning the Cup, and that's the thing that at this point is most 195 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:24,639 important for him. His son like plays hockey here, plays with some of 196 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:26,720 the other guys on the team and their kids, and I think just from 197 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,360 off the ice perspective, it's been a really good fit for him. Yeah, 198 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,960 he struggled to just that first year away from San Jose. I think 199 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,519 any player would after spending ten plus years in one spot, But he's really 200 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,039 brought it on. And I think playing with Robertson and Hints like, there's 201 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,639 just something about these three players in each of their unique skills that just meshes 202 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,679 so well. And I think if two years of this the league hasn't figured 203 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:58,600 out how to slow them down. I don't know that a third year is 204 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,759 going to change that story. Yeah, for sure, Now that's good stuff. 205 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:09,000 I think he's going to keep producing as long as he's there. And 206 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,120 we already talked about why Johnston. I was going to pose him to you 207 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,879 as a bit of a pickum, but I just want to focus on Johnston 208 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,879 because he's so good and so incredible what he's done. He was a bit 209 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,240 of a surprise to make the team. I mean, he was really young 210 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,759 all season. He's in March fourteenth birthday, which something means he played the 211 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,679 entire pretty much the entire season as a nineteen year old, and his forty 212 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,720 one point pace may not seem that great. To people. But remember he 213 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:37,519 was nineteen for the entire season, and I pulled up this list, Taylor, 214 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,200 I want everyone to hear this. They were only twelve NHL forwards in 215 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,720 their entire history who played all eighty two games as a nineteen year old and 216 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,879 had more points than Whytt Johnson. So here's your list. Connor McDavid, 217 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,320 Stephen stamp Coos, Patrick Kane, Patrick Laney, Austin Matthews, Clean Color, 218 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,240 Lucas, Raymond, John Tavers, Gabe Blandiscog Jerome again La Sebastianajo, 219 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:02,480 and Pierre Luke Dubois. That's it. Those are all really good NHLers or 220 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:06,799 the best in the league slash future Hall of famers. So that's a list 221 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:11,960 of why Johnson is amongst and it's really incredible what he's done, even though 222 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,399 some of his underlyings maybe don't look that great. They're pretty average, which 223 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,919 I think for a nineteen year old, and the toughest league in the world 224 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,559 is really good. So you have to take all that with a grain of 225 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,320 salt. I think that there might be another gear here for Johnson. I 226 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,360 think that he might. I don't know that he's going to double his point 227 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:30,840 total in this year. But I think he can take another big step, 228 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,480 maybe get in that seventy point range. What do you expect from why Johnson 229 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,399 this year? I agree, and I think as the season went on, 230 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,039 Why Johnson earned the trust of the coaching staff, not just on the offensive 231 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,039 side, but also on the defensive side of the puck. He was often 232 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:51,879 being put out at the end of the game to hold one goal leads because 233 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:56,519 he's a responsible player, and I think that they're going to be looking as 234 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,759 a coaching staff to see if they can get him increase minutes. I think 235 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:07,200 the logical conclusion to that is maybe he doesn't pair next to Jamie Benn this 236 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:11,279 season. Now. I think there's some concern that if you don't put Jamie 237 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:17,119 Binn next to Wyatt Johnston, then Ben's numbers continue to decline and maybe there's 238 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,000 not a good fit. So he Johnson could end up being a byproduct of 239 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,480 just circumstance and sacrificing his stats for the good of the whole. But I 240 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,480 think that he could start seeing time on the penalty kill. I think he 241 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:36,920 could potentially play a larger role in that second power play unit, fill in 242 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,240 on the first fire play in case of injuries or if they just want to 243 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,559 give it a different look some nights. So I think that for me my 244 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:48,279 expectation for Whyatt Johnston, I easily could see him having a fifty point plus 245 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:52,079 season this year. I don't think that's so far out of the realm of 246 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,839 possibility. I think a lot of it's going to come down to who he 247 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:00,519 ultimately ends up lining up next to. If he gets elevated to a top 248 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:07,160 line and he plays with Joe Pavelski and Jason robertson sixty seventy points, like 249 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:10,920 easily, those guys just feed each other. I don't know. He's the 250 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,359 one that I have my eye on the most. I think in training camp 251 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,319 to see how they mix up the forwards because of the addition of Matt Dushane. 252 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:22,680 I think it kind of changes changes the game a little bit. Jamie 253 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Ben, I think it could be summed up as where the heck did that 254 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:32,200 come from? The thirty three year old captain didn't quite recapture the ross trophy 255 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,799 form of a decade ago, but he got close. Would you believe three 256 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:41,000 point six two points per sixty were a career high for Jamie Ben? His 257 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,279 rates in those fund Dallas days. The freewheel in Dallas days never topped three 258 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,440 point two five per sixty. Now we's three point six two per sixty, 259 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:52,599 a career high seventeen point four percent on just under two and a half shots 260 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,960 a game. Yeah, that helps. And that denominator of less than sixteen 261 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,880 minutes on the ice, which is surprising. That was the lowest sense of 262 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,160 rookie year. Help explain that anomaly, But don't ruin my good vibes here. 263 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,240 He still throws over a hit a game. He and rookie White Johnston 264 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,759 were locked at the hip all year to very good effect. The advanced stats 265 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,599 suggest the defense isn't quite as strong these days from the tough vet, but 266 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,319 the scoring in the offense was just amazing. Was last year anomaly or is 267 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:26,160 there a reason to believe in this continued late career seventy point a year type 268 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,759 renaissance. I think there was reason to believe that he could keep this pace. 269 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:34,240 Primarily two things happened. One, you mentioned why Johnston. I think 270 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:38,759 playing with a fresh young guy and a guy who's so created with the puck 271 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:44,799 reinvigorated his game a little bit. But two, do you even actually changed 272 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,920 his offseason workout and training regiment before the last season, so I think he 273 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,519 realized that he needed to get a little leaner, he needed to be able 274 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:59,680 to maybe try to find a little bit more speed or at least maintain where 275 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,240 he's in terms of his skating. And so he came into camp looking really 276 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,359 good. And I know everybody says that every year, like, oh, 277 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,000 he's the best shape he's ever been, but I think you could actually say 278 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:15,559 that about Jamie Benn and it feel I'm must true. But and I think 279 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:21,119 the rejection in minutes are actually have played well for him because I think there's 280 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,440 a lot less what's the word, I'm looking for, a lot less desperation 281 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,440 for him to be the guy, like he can now just be another guy 282 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,359 because so many of these other offensive players have popped off, like Robertson and 283 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,519 Hints and pabil Sky and Johnston, and so I think that he has less 284 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,079 less weight of the world on him, so to speak, less on his 285 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:49,359 own shoulders. And then they also reduce the quality of those minutes as well, 286 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,799 in terms of he's not going out and playing on the penalty kill as 287 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:56,720 often as he had been in the past, like he had always been a 288 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:03,599 two way guy for them, so he's playing less of those grinding minutes and 289 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,440 so I think that balance has helped him to focus on offense and it's played 290 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:14,200 out really well for him. Of the two guys who have been identified with 291 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,279 his franchise for a long time, the other Tyler Sagan, that's the guy 292 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,200 I always think is going to have the bounce back, and like he said, 293 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,799 injuries. He had fifty points in seventy six games with two and a 294 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,599 half shots a game over a hit per game. Continues to be an excellent 295 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,680 faceoff guy, by the way, fifty four point seven percent on eight hundred 296 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,640 and seventy faceoffs last year. This was the first time in Sagan's nine healthy 297 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,000 years in Dallas aside from the two hip years where Jamie Ben was not his 298 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:45,200 top linematee they actually played together only five percent of the time at five on 299 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:48,240 five, they just weren't together. Sagan is still only thirty one years old, 300 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,519 but he's taken some mileage over the years. There's no doubt about it 301 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:56,480 that six years stretch of his mid twenties where he was seventy and eighty plus 302 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,559 points a year are a little bit in the rear view mirror now, and 303 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:03,359 he's just coming back in the back half of this eight year, nearly ten 304 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,240 million dollars a year contract. He definitely was not playing with those top six 305 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:10,559 players. That's part of the explanation. He's playing with some down ballid players 306 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:15,160 for sure, compared to the elite on this franchise. But what do you 307 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,079 expect from Tyler Sagan going into next year? Is this kind of the new 308 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,359 normal with Tyler? We should just shell out his body has got him to 309 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,440 this point where he's going to be a little bit more of a depth guy 310 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,079 on this team. Or do you think that there's a possibility he could bounce 311 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:33,119 back to look like the Tyler Sagan a five years ago. I think Tyler 312 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,920 Sagan is the one guy that is the hardest to project on this team for 313 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:47,880 next season because for me, he was victim last year to Mason Marchmont's historically 314 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,359 bad stretch where he the poor kid, could not score a goal, like 315 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,880 literally could not hit the broadside of a barn with a shot. I think 316 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,799 it was over thirty games between goals for him. So when you've got a 317 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,200 that is struggling that much, there's only so much tyler Sagan can do on 318 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:10,880 the ice to help that situation, So I think that having I think his 319 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,119 bounce back probably depends on who he's playing with, and so that's why I 320 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:22,039 think the acquisition of Matt Dushane could be really pivotal for this team, because 321 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,200 I wonder if there is some potential chemistry and magic that can be unlocked if 322 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,119 you put those two on a line together and then rotate out either Marchmont or 323 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,480 maybe it's another young guy or a more responsible two way forward on that line, 324 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:41,839 and maybe there's something there. And so I do I think, I 325 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,400 hate to say it, but his season is definitively going to just track back 326 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,680 to who he's playing with, and that second power play unit is has been 327 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,440 may I will say, like most of the scoring comes from the top unit. 328 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:03,559 You expect that, but the danger has also mostly come from that top 329 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,480 unit as well. Here's the second unit A lot of times just was put 330 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,000 out there to get the top guys rest. So I think I would like 331 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:12,799 to see maybe some mix up on that, and I think if they can 332 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:17,759 get some good personnel going on the second unit, maybe you see an uptick 333 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:26,240 because Sagan will still get power play time the aforementioned Matt Duchane new addition to 334 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:30,240 this stall's probably the most prominent new addition to the top lines of this team. 335 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,119 Dallas plucked him off waivers Nashville decided to clean the books and move him 336 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:40,480 out. That seven year, eight million per contract that Nashville had has turned 337 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:44,599 into a one year, three million dollars prove it deal for the Dallas Stars. 338 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,480 Twenty two goals, thirty four assists for fifty six points and seventy one 339 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,079 games. It wasn't a horrible year, but he wasn't going to be part 340 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:56,240 of Nashville's plants, certainly especially in the salary area. He hurt his hand 341 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,480 towards the end of the year and he was shut down. And all this 342 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,599 came year after Ducing is just red hot eighty six point in seventy eight game 343 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,319 season where he got damnpell at All Star votes. He's just one year off 344 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,279 that at this point. Certainly, the nineteen percent shooting that he had a 345 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,720 couple of years ago was going to regress back to something more like his thirteen 346 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,960 percent career mark, and it did so. Du Shane is just getting to 347 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,519 this Dallas Stars team, so obviously he's not a guy who you spent all 348 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,519 of last year watching, But how do you think he will be used and 349 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,880 how much do you think he could produce as a Dallas star. Yeah, 350 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,759 it's funny you say that, but he was in the division, so we 351 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:36,079 saw him quite a bit actually over the course of the last few seasons. 352 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,400 I think he's probably really excited to finally be on the winning side of the 353 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:48,880 Dallas Nashville narrative between the Winner Classic and John Kleenberg's overtime game or round score 354 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,640 to eliminate them in the first round a few years back. I think he's 355 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,079 probably pretty excited to be on the team that looks like they're on the upswing. 356 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,599 And I think you get a lot out of guys that are mote evated 357 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,079 from being bought out, from wanting to prove and now you're in division, 358 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,400 so now you get to be like, hey, look at me, and 359 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,880 look at me a lot this year. And I think again, he's another 360 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,880 guy that is going to benefit from not having to be the guy that This 361 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,440 Dallas offense is pretty deep, which is good and you need that depth. 362 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,599 But I think as long as he can come in and find some chemistry with 363 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,119 at least one guy. I think he's going to be an option on special 364 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,440 teams, He's going to be an option on power play, all that good 365 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,720 stuff. So I think maybe fifty points seems pretty reasonable for a third line 366 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:42,839 guy. Probably he's probably projected to be third line I don't see why not. 367 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:45,880 Honestly, like at this point, I'm just like, I think Dallas 368 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,039 is going all in on just let's just score all the goals. Can be 369 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,720 average when you have Jake Oddinger back there too, so we don't Maybe we 370 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,200 don't need to be the top defensive team in the league, but we can 371 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,880 match up against anybody. If you want to play one game, we can 372 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,759 figure that out. But we can also we're also comfortable in the five four 373 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,279 games. I hear that scoring all the goals is a good strategy in the 374 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:12,000 game of hockey, so Vegas would tell you, yes, all right. 375 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,319 Mason Marchmont, you mentioned him. He is a bit of a late bloomer. 376 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:21,319 His forty seven point fifty four game year for the President's Trophy Cats a 377 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:25,519 couple of years ago made the twenty eight year old a lot of paper four 378 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,839 years times four point five for the Stars Superstar contract, but pretty darn good 379 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,599 for a guy who popped up that year. The first of those years saw 380 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,880 him with a career high average timonies at fifteen forty two, but as you 381 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,799 mentioned, the scoring was not there, only thirty one points in sixty nine 382 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,000 games. Impact wasn't all that strong in the advanced numbers. He actually posted 383 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,400 a negative goals above replacement for the year according to Evolving Hockey, and he 384 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,720 missed a month late in the campaign from a knee injury, but came back 385 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,880 for the end of the season. In the playoffs, he was a regular 386 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,720 partner on Sagan's line. Sagan's line. Is he likely to have that role 387 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,920 again? You've mentioned how maybe he would flip around somewhere in that bottom six, 388 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,359 and could you see any change to the results? It is he just 389 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,200 going to get some better luck this year or what? I can't imagine he 390 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,720 goes through another thirty plus game goal scoring goal less streak, So I imagine 391 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,920 that. I imagine, Yes, I think he gets a little bit of 392 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,480 bounced back. I think that the human element with Marchmont can't be understated either. 393 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:32,160 Last season he lost his dad in the off season right before he signed 394 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,119 with Dallas. He so he changed teams. He last a very important person 395 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,480 to him, and I think that people forget like you don't just bounce like 396 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,480 you. You're not a robot. You can't just turn those emotions off. 397 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:49,319 You can't just be like, oh like probably something that I imagine was a 398 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,519 big bond for them. Maybe he called his dad after every game and talked 399 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,640 about his game like you don't know, and so to have that taken from 400 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:03,960 him. I think there's probably a lot of very human reasons why the season 401 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,440 went the way it did with Mason last season, and I think he gets 402 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:15,799 a lot of patience because of it. I think that you have to just 403 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,160 as a human person, you have to give him that space to deal as 404 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:25,480 he needs to. In terms of his actual scoring for this coming season, 405 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:26,880 I do imagine he has a little bit of a bounce back. I think 406 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,359 he's now more familiar with the system, familiar with what is expected out of 407 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,000 him. Again, doesn't have to be the guy. I think that Dallas 408 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,039 has basically already made it known. Yeah, you make this, but we 409 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,519 don't expect you to. You don't have to try to prove it every game. 410 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,359 We've got guys higher up the lineup that carry the weight of the offense, 411 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,960 So just go play your game. But he'll still get powerplay time. 412 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440 He'll still get that in that bottom six role. Even I think he has 413 00:29:53,480 --> 00:30:00,640 a bounce back season personally tremendous, and then one more point pick him among 414 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,240 veterans on the team of Guinea Dad Knof, Sam Steele, the thirty four 415 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,319 year old of Guiney is on his fifth team of the twenty twenties. He's 416 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,640 a scorer for higher at this point. And the twenty five year old Steel 417 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,200 had a better year last year with the Wild than he ever did with the 418 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,759 Doctor. Half point per game type situation with this guy who you got dat 419 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:23,880 nav versus Steel. I think dat Knof mainly because he is like a Pete 420 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,319 the Board guy. Like he has signed with Pete the Boor's teams several times 421 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:33,160 over the course of his career, so I think he's just familiar with what 422 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,519 Pete wants in his system, what he expects out of him. I think 423 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:44,400 that he really brought something that was missing on that third line with Jamie Binn 424 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,160 and White Johnston. His wrap around goal in the playoffs, if you I 425 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:55,559 don't think it can be understated how traumatized the Dallas Stars fan bases by wrap 426 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,160 around attempts because Jamie Binn St Louis sec it around a few years ago. 427 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:07,720 It goes in completely different vibe and then he and then every attempt like ever 428 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,599 since has never gone in and so Dallas has just been cursed and don'tov broke 429 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,519 it like he did it. He did that this year. I think there's 430 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,119 a lots of for him. For Sam Steele, I just have a sinking 431 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,839 feeling that he's going to end up being at thirteenth fourteenth forward that I just 432 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,799 don't know if there's enough, like just not knowing enough about him and looking 433 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,599 at the depth chart, I just don't know how consistently he's going to be 434 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:37,519 in the lineup this season. Yeah, that's very fair. Let's talk about 435 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,759 one more little thing. We are going to discuss the youngsters in a separate 436 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,519 part of the show. But I'm just wondering if you think Bork or Stan 437 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,039 Covin will make the team or have any significant impact this year beyond a nine 438 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:53,720 game slide. I don't know that the nine game is actually a situation for 439 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,759 either of those guys. Covin has now aged out, so he will be 440 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,960 in the HL this season, and Bork was in the HL last season, 441 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:07,119 So I don't think that is the concern or consideration for the stars from training 442 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:15,240 camp. I think there's a lot of depths and unless one of them just 443 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:20,039 really shows out or provides something that is not on the depth chart right now, 444 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,680 Like if Bork comes in as an incredible penalty killer at the NHL level 445 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,200 in preseason, maybe he makes the fourth line role because that's something that Dallas 446 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:34,599 is going to need to replace with Glenda NaN's departure. I would personally love 447 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,319 to see Stankovin just come out and completely crush it and make the team out 448 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,799 of camp. I think that he has a he just has a motor on 449 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:50,599 him that he just plays this all out, just constant attack game. That 450 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,559 is something that Dallas could use a little spark of in that kind of middle 451 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,440 six. But I don't think it's worth him being up in Dallas if he's 452 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,279 only going to be playing in fourth line minutes. Send him to the HL, 453 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,440 put him on your top line, get him big boy minutes down there, 454 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:15,279 just because I think a lot you can really destroy a young guy's confidence 455 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,079 if you don't put him in a role where he's going to succeed. And 456 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,960 Stankovin projects as a top six forward. So if you don't have a top 457 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,000 six spot for him, put him in a top six spot down in the 458 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,240 AHL, let him cook for a season, and then with j Donov or 459 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:37,799 whoever aging out next year not resigning, or whoever they trade out at the 460 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,680 deadline, then I think it opens up a spot for him. No, 461 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,000 I guess there is the long winded answer. No, I don't think either 462 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:49,200 one of them make a significant impact. But I could see a situation where 463 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,680 Stankovin goes down to the HL and then pulls a Thomas Harley where he gets 464 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,440 called up at the end of the season and then makes an incredible impact in 465 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,160 the playoffs. So I for the regular season, I would say probably not. 466 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,640 It wouldn't bet on either of them. Oh, we're gonna get to 467 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,559 some Thomas Harley talk, but yeah, thank you for that. First. 468 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,159 I would love to see Stanky do some great stuff, even at the end 469 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,320 of the season, if not earlier. But yeah, he's definitely got my 470 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,679 eye on him. So yeah, watch training camp, watch watch defending Big 471 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,039 D and I'm sure you'll be covering all that. Let's move on to the 472 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:29,280 D now though the defenseman me or High Skin and of course as the first 473 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,480 guy we got to talk about Jesse and I missed on him. I would 474 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,880 say we were thinking he'd be somewhere on the thirty to fiftieth best defenseman in 475 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:44,039 Fantasy, and he finished as number eight all four seasons. Previously being roughly 476 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,159 a forty point defenseman, High Skinn finally broke out for nearly a point per 477 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,920 game. Eleven goals sixty two assists is how he got to his seventy six 478 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,119 point pace, along with thirty four power play points, which was a monster 479 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,840 number considering he had hit eleven twice in the previous two seasons. We figured 480 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,679 that would happen with more opportunity and deployment coming his way at Klingberg moving on, 481 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,639 but that was a massive step forward. He's never been the biggest bash 482 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:13,280 guy sixty first at his position, but obviously with more minutes he is doing 483 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,960 a fair amount of that. He's got six years left at eight point four 484 00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,480 or five million, seems like a great number for one of the top d 485 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,000 in the league. And we always think of him as being more two way. 486 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,440 I always do anyways, and he's certainly great defensively, but his power 487 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,599 play numbers are off the charts, like he was incredible last year on the 488 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:36,559 man advantage's expected goals practically broke the chart out Evolving Hockey, So he was 489 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,480 fantastic, And the main difference I see in his underlyings is that he had 490 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,760 one more minute of time on ice that went straight to the power play time 491 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:49,599 on ice. His shooting percentage IP and PDO were pretty in line considering like 492 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,800 who he is and what we expect, so I don't really see a reason 493 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,199 why he can't keep doing this. So Taylor is nearly a point per game 494 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,079 high skin in here to stay. Yes, you are all finally seeing the 495 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:05,400 Mirro hayskinning that we have been touting here in Dallas, and that more people 496 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:13,079 should watch more consistently because he is just phenomenal at the game. He I 497 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:17,440 think he's been spending a lot of time before practice with a certain Joe Pavelski 498 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:24,000 and learning where Joe Pavelski likes those point shots to be kind of placed for 499 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:32,360 his ideal tipping situations. So I think that Miro is truly coming into his 500 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,880 own. He's truly starting to own that blue line as the guy for years, 501 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,559 he's been behind John Klingberg and had deferred to him. I think that 502 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,679 this year they really talked to Miro about not deferring to his veteran partner and 503 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,239 really taking the offensive. If the shots there, go get it. Like 504 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:57,639 I think the system that Peterboord has plays to Mirro Hayskin and strengths very well, 505 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,840 and I don't see them changing that because it was pretty successful for them 506 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,039 in the first year. Yeah, I think it's funny you say all that 507 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:13,280 he did all of this dragging around Ryan Seuter on his side. So if 508 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,800 you envision a future where Ryan Suter is no longer on the Dallas Stars roster, 509 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,199 you I think you just see more and more opportunity for him to continue 510 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:30,000 to grow and put up points. There are several other defensemen who make a 511 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,840 real life impact. It's hard for us fantasy folks because some of them, 512 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,239 the Lendell's of the world, don't have as much for a fantasy side. 513 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,039 But are there any other defenseman on this team you think might get us a 514 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:45,480 thirty five point season this year? Oh? Thomas Harley, without a doubt. 515 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,199 I think that he is a perfect example of a guy coming back motivated 516 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:58,119 like he I think it's expected and thought that he was ready to make the 517 00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,239 team out of training camp last season. The team said, we need you 518 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,199 to get some time in the HL. First, you're gonna be our first 519 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,840 call up in terms of injuries, and then they were the healthiest team in 520 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,599 the league, which you can't expect that to continue. So I think that 521 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,840 Thomas Harley is going to have a real opportunity to come in and be the 522 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,400 guy on the second power play unit potentially. I think that's something they're definitely 523 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,840 going to look at in training camp to see if there's Like I said, 524 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,000 that second power play unit needs something because it was at times very ineffective last 525 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,960 season, so trying out some different things there and some tweaks. I think 526 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,280 in personnel he's gonna have a lot of opportunity to take that on. And 527 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:45,519 I think he'll also have a lot of opportunity to really drive a second pair 528 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:50,159 if he doesn't end up paired next to mirrorhy Skinning. I'd like to see 529 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,880 him on a pairing where he is the guy and not just a guy, 530 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,920 so pairing him next to him EASTA Lindel. Even though Lindell has got to 531 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,079 be the funniest guy from a fantasy perspective, just because he's just there. 532 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,960 Like his underlying numbers are always so bad, but he is effective. Still, 533 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:15,800 I don't he's an anomaly. I don't under quite understand. The eye 534 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,039 tests and the underline stats with him never seemed to match. But having a 535 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,039 veteran guy like him next to Thomas Harley, I think could give him a 536 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:27,559 lot of confidence and honestly probably could improve Lindell's game too, because Lindell, 537 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,920 for the longest time was next to a guy John Kleenberg, who wanted the 538 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,800 puck all the time, who wanted to be the puck mover, and he 539 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000 was happy to make that first pass and let him go. I think Thomas 540 00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,320 Harley could be great in that kind of situations. Yeah. I think the 541 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,440 defense is the one where I am the most curious to see how they end 542 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,760 up lining up these guys, because one thing I know for sure is ease 543 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,480 Lindel and Jonny Hawk and Paw cannot be appearing like that is just it's disaster. 544 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,480 Yeah, that sounds tough, And if you heard any screaming coming from 545 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,519 CALIFORNI to move Thomas Harley up the lineup. It was coming for me because 546 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,599 I was so wanting that, and he was, yeah, as you said, 547 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,239 being more just a guy, and he was incredible I thought watching him 548 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,039 in the playoffs, especially as it got harder and the rush chances against were 549 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:21,679 coming fast and furious, and he was doing much better than everyone not named 550 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,480 mirror Hi Skinnin on the team. He just got better as the rounds got 551 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,920 as they went deeper. Thomas Harley's game just got better and better every game, 552 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,599 and he was awarded more minutes I think as a result. So I 553 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,599 imagine that the coaching staff has got to be pretty excited to have him in 554 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:45,960 the lineup full time this season, and maybe his insertion into the lineup takes 555 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,239 some minutes off of guys that don't need it anymore. Yeah, that's a 556 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,280 nice way of putting it. So yeah, get your Thomas Harley Shares. 557 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,840 I'm very excited about him. Let's move on to the goalies. The Stars 558 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,079 were ranked third and spect goals against per sixty and conceded the fourth number of 559 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:07,079 actuables, so they're pretty in line with what would be expected a really good 560 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,599 defensive team. And of course we have to start with Jake Ottinger. What 561 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,400 a stud the Otter was. He was what we'd hoped or thought he could 562 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,400 be. Third and wins seven and state percentage for volume goalies fifteenth and delta 563 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,559 Fenwick for goalies over twelve hundred minutes and seventeenth and goals save above expected for 564 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:30,079 thirty seven eleven and eleven record nine nineteen say percentage five shoutouts. My favorite 565 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,719 thing about him, aside from his cool nickname, is that in cap leagues 566 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,880 he has a really great cap hit. Of all the top goalies, he's 567 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800 probably the most affordable. Had four million for two more years before he's an 568 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,360 RFA. I imagine that number goes up quite a bit at that point. 569 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,840 But he's just a stud. So Taylor, it seems like Ottinger has really 570 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,440 arrived in this sort of elite goalie conversation, especially with the Stars being a 571 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,440 good team. And I have to imagine he can just maintain what he did 572 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:57,440 last year. Is that about? What do you expect from him? Or 573 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,840 maybe a step forward. I think he'd like to see a little step forward. 574 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:06,280 Personally, I think that he played too many games last season injury to 575 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,559 Scott Wedgwood. Down the stretch saw Jake Ottinger play a number of games in 576 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:16,039 a row and he struggled a little bit when it's that stretch was just not 577 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,559 as good for him. And then the other thing that I think people forget 578 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,119 is Autinger actually got hurt and then he played through an injury all season and 579 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,800 all playoffs. And so I think that one percent healthy Jake Ottinger coming back 580 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,280 this season. Hopefully Scott Wedgwood doesn't have another injury like he did last season 581 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,320 that kept him out and Jake and they can better split and give better give 582 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,719 more rest to Ottinger to have him fresher for the playoffs, because I think 583 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,639 they expect to have another deep run this season. The problem I think in 584 00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,519 Dallas is that there's not a really good third option in this system. So 585 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:07,719 if Ottinger gets hurt, Dallas is going to sink. Because there's Wedgewood is 586 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,000 fine as a backup, you do not want him as your number one starter 587 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,480 for a long stretch of any time. And they don't really feel confident that 588 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,079 they have a guy who could come in and actually win games behind Wedgewoods. 589 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,760 So I think for Ottinger it's gonna all boil down to just staying healthy. 590 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,719 Yeah, for sure. I was going to ask you a little bit about 591 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000 at Wedgewall, which is one of the best Twitter handles for Wedgewood, And 592 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,360 yeah, it seems like he was really really great human. I don't want 593 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,119 he is a great person, but he's just on the backside of his career, 594 00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:45,440 so like he's a perfect backup in my opinion, be clear. Yeah, 595 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:46,800 And I was going to ask you if you thought he would get more 596 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,280 than his twenty one games he had last year, because he was really good 597 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,199 in those appearances. And as you mentioned, spelling Odinger a little bit, 598 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,960 it seems might be good. It definitely seemed like Ottinger like the volume affected 599 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,079 him a little bit, especially at the end. I just saw him like 600 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,719 make letting goals and make some mistakes that he wasn't making earlier in the season, 601 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,840 which was really unfortunate timing obviously. But yeah, you think Wedgwood plays 602 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,159 a little more, let's say Ottinger doesn't. Didn't. Ottinger said that the 603 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,719 playing time wasn't didn't impact him at all. I think it was probably more 604 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,119 that he was injured during that stretch and he just didn't want to let on 605 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,199 and so when people were it's a natural conclusion that if he's playing a lot 606 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,480 of games and struggling, then you know the issue is a number of games. 607 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:32,960 And he said he wants to be like a Vassilevski, he wants to 608 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,440 play sixty plus games this season and be the backbone in the playoffs. But 609 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:44,800 it was also just his first first full season realistically, so he expects a 610 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,960 lot out of himself. I think there's a good reason why he expects a 611 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,559 lot out of himself. But I do think if they could find a little 612 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:57,000 bit better balance between Wedgwood and Attinger, like, I think maybe thirty games 613 00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:01,079 for Wedgwood is probably the more ideal from Dallas perspective, and I think barrin 614 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:06,519 injury Wedgewood should get that. I think he's shown and the guys are showing 615 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,880 confidence that they believe he's going to make the save that they need when he's 616 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,159 a nut. So yeah, I think maybe a little bit more playtime this 617 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:21,000 season for Wedgie as the team calls him. All right, Taylor, this 618 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,440 has been some great insight on the Dallas Stars. Why don't you let people 619 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,679 know how they can follow you at defending Big D and anywhere else they should 620 00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,239 be following you out there. Yeah. Yeah, on all the socials. 621 00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:37,719 My handle is Taylor D. Baird. D is my middle initial and then 622 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,199 convenient for defending big D and then yeah at definite big D. I also 623 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,039 write for nhil dot com in town, so you can find me a little 624 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:51,599 bit everywhere. Tremendous. Thanks so much for being on today, Taylor. 625 00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:00,760 Yeah, thanks for having me, Guys Wilson. Then that's good fires passed 626 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:12,519 off, goodness quick grab. Now it's your weekly goalie talk with Kats Silverman 627 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:19,360 Cat's Instincts. Time again for Kat's Instincts with Kats Silverman in Gold mag Dallas 628 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,840 Star edition of course, and had a couple of interesting guys here. The 629 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,159 first one Adam Shiel, twenty four year old undrafted player six foot four hundred 630 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:37,400 ninety pounds playing mainly in the ECHL this past year, and his numbers were 631 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,320 pretty good there thirty seven games, one point ninety seven ga nine thirty two 632 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,840 save percentage. He actually played a bunch of playoff games in their run in 633 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,559 the playoffs and looked really good doing it, and it got a couple of 634 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,079 games in with the Texas Stars didn't look so good and so it's actually his 635 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,119 second year mainly in the AHL e CHL. He got a little bit three 636 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:05,400 years seasons ago, a little bit of time in the AHL, and then 637 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,719 he was a product of the North Dakota Collegiance system and so a little bit 638 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,880 older. And I was looking at some of the underlyings at sport Logic. 639 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,280 They don't look so good for him. Actually, some of his say percentage 640 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,280 above expected numbers are they're closer to league average, which is not what you 641 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,280 would want from one of your top prospects. But tell us a little bit 642 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,840 about Adam Shield. Did they sign a nice little project here that has some 643 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,719 potential? What do you think? Dallas is a wild card for me? 644 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,920 I feel like both in the way that they dropped their goaltenders and in kind 645 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,840 of what they do at the NHL level with their goalies. They love guys 646 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,280 who you don't really know what's going on with them on the ice, and 647 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,199 you don't always love the underlying numbers, but somehow it works. Most notably, 648 00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:57,920 they've had a they had Anti Miami, they had Kari Letton, and 649 00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:01,719 they had Anton Hudobin there for a little bit, maybe my favorite to interview. 650 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,880 He was their go to guy for a couple of years there, and 651 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,719 when I asked him about his technical style one time, he was like, 652 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,199 what technical style? Do I stop the puck? Yeah? Does it go 653 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,400 in the next No? It does not. Is that my style? It 654 00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:22,119 sure is? And I was like, I love you. And that's what 655 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,679 they seem to go for it. They don't see. You see some of 656 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:30,360 the teams go for a really structure and they pick goaltenders that all have a 657 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,440 very similar technical style to their game, which makes it easier for them to 658 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,199 almost draft and develop and for the team to create a system in front of 659 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,719 them. You saw it in Saint Louis where they really went with a lot 660 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,800 of guys who were good at essentially initiating that first pass breakout from the defensive 661 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,639 zone and Dallas goes in the opposite direction. And that's where I put Adam 662 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,320 shield he. I was watching a couple of highlights from both the HL and 663 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,079 the c HL this last year, and he's really good at not panicking when 664 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,239 he allows a nasty rebound and the puck comes right back to him, so 665 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,400 he says cool under pressure. He has really quick feet. He reminded me 666 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:19,440 of some of the top tier collegiate goalies who are able to stay cool when 667 00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,760 the defensive system in front of just hasn't matured the way that you would want 668 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,400 to see it. But that being said, he also didn't necessarily help his 669 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:34,239 team in any way by controlling the plane, creating a consistent pattern to when 670 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,440 he released the puck, when he held onto it, when he decided to 671 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,800 allow a rebound, what direction he sent his rebounds. It was all a 672 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,960 very quick reactions, quick instincts, but a very reactionary based game. I 673 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,440 don't know. He might be in their system realistically, just to get them 674 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,119 through the next couple of years, get them over that hump, because they 675 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,159 do have a star and Jake gott in jury right now, so they don't 676 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,199 necessarily need to have someone else who's banging on the door, because they certainly 677 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,800 don't want to repeat of their Jack Campbell incident where they had a really good 678 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,320 start, didn't really have a spot for him, He remained a prospect a 679 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,559 little too long, started to lose confidence, and essentially they ended up having 680 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:19,239 to send him off to essentially become a reclamation project somewhere else. And I 681 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,960 think they've become hyper aware of that in Dallas. But no, I'm not 682 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,719 super excited to see Adam Shiel in the NHL because I don't know if it 683 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,280 will happen. But as a prospect, I think he's fun to watch and 684 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,719 I don't think he's going to do any damage, which I think is as 685 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,480 good as you can say for them right now. The Adam Shiel or sorry, 686 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:42,800 the Jack Campbell incident sounds like a band, a good band name. 687 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,320 That'd be a really good band to play at ac out there in Austin. 688 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,199 All right, So the next guy is Matt Murray. No, you didn't 689 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:55,360 miss hear that. There is another Matt Murray. He's another undrafted, undersized 690 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,960 player. And he's the other Matt Murray. I guess you could call him. 691 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,960 He's twenty five years old. He's had a pretty interesting trajectory. First 692 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,239 of all, he's six one ninety four pounds, so not like super small, 693 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,760 but definitely a little bit under size. He's first of all, he's 694 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,119 Canadian, and then he went he was in the AJHL, then he went 695 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,400 to the USAHL, probably in hopes of getting drafted. I actually looked okay 696 00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,440 in terms of his round numbers, but didn't get drafted. Went to UMass 697 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,679 played a bunch there all four years, sorry, five years, and never 698 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,480 really got a look, and then basically signed an ato with the Texas Stars, 699 00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:32,960 and he was great in the six game sample in twenty one twenty two, 700 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,559 and then basically they brought him back this past year and he was the 701 00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:43,360 main guy there in Texas for the Stars. And looking at his underlyings, 702 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,440 one of one thing that's really impressive about him is his save percent above expected 703 00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,960 was one of the tops in the AHL this past year, So that's good. 704 00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,960 So the question, Kat is what ringstings tell us about Matt Murray? 705 00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:00,400 Is he the second coming of Matt Murray? I hope not because the Matt 706 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,559 Murray is I believe on long term injured reserve and may not play again anytime 707 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:09,159 soon. But from a hopeful NHL or perspective, I think he's got a 708 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,280 shot just because he has maintained so much consistency. He looked good in the 709 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,199 AJHL, he looked fine in the USAHL. I thought he looked really good 710 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,039 at UMass. He did take advantage of that extra COVID year. Even though 711 00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:28,280 he managed to play through all four years of eligibility, he took that extra 712 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,559 year and he played, and he got his ATO, and he's been playing 713 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:36,159 really well. And sometimes when you see guys who very clearly want to get 714 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,400 drafted and go pro and things aren't working out in their favor, you start 715 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,440 seeing them almost panic, and so their technique slides a little. If they're 716 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,000 not getting the looks on the ice that they want. They transferred to another 717 00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:52,880 school, they sign a pro tryout in the ECHL after their third or fourth 718 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,239 year of college, just hoping that someone will see them play a pro game. 719 00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,440 And he's remained a patient and rolled with it and hasn't seen his technique 720 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,599 slip at all. I think he's got a really good skating foundation, which 721 00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,960 is good because he doesn't need that extra little bit of speed since he has 722 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,880 a little on the smaller side. Didn't notice anything in the games that I 723 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:19,920 watched that suggested that he had the most top tier instincts or reaction time. 724 00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,400 His tracking looked just fine. Everything about his game just looked fine. But 725 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:30,000 I think that's a testament in his favor, since he has been stuck a 726 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:34,199 level below where he wants to be almost every years he didn't get drafted, 727 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,239 he spent an extra year in college he's been playing in the HL. They 728 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,880 signed another guy. I think the fact that he hasn't seen any slips in 729 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,599 his game is a sign that he peep us, enjoys what he's doing, 730 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:52,679 and even though it's undoubtedly frustrating to not be seeing that upwards movement that I'm 731 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,840 sure he wants, he's being patient about it, and I don't think at 732 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,159 this point I think we'd know if he was going to be a star in 733 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:05,280 NHL or because he would have seen a big jump forward at this point his 734 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,079 technique and in his style. But I think he could make a really good 735 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,760 tweener with some call up potential, maybe even like a Carter Hutton type player, 736 00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:22,280 able to become a career backup with just solid, consistent numbers and a 737 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:29,519 solid consistent technical foundation that doesn't ever reach NHL starter potential but never really drops 738 00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,400 off either. So if that's the best case for him, I think that's 739 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,440 pretty good. And if that's the best case for Dallas, that's someone teams 740 00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:42,400 need in their system, so good on them. Yeah, definitely. And 741 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,679 I forgot to mention he did play a couple of three games in the NHL 742 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,960 this season, which didn't go particularly well. But he was there. They 743 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,079 didn't go well, but they didn't go as poorly as we've seen some other 744 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,760 guys make their NHL debuts, so we can't complain too much about that. 745 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,440 No, and as you said, could be a useful guy in the system. 746 00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:05,719 So thank you so much for giving us your instincts on the Dallas Stars 747 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:25,360 goalies. We'll be back right after this. The Dynasty dig back marked by 748 00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:31,360 Dallas Stars DYNA Dynasty Dig. Victor ranked the system square in the middle sixteenth 749 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,559 and the Stars didn't get to play in the draft very much this year. 750 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,320 They didn't get to pick until the sixties. That doesn't matter, Victor, 751 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,599 you've already said the name. I know what you're gonna say right now. 752 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:51,159 The no brainer for the Dallas Stars is Logan stank Covin. It's Stanky Time, 753 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,599 twenty twenty one, second round pick by Dallas. Yeah, he's still 754 00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,000 only five foot eight. That is always the knock on him. He hasn't 755 00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:01,000 really grown. He's got a little thicker one hundred and seventy pounds now. 756 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:06,000 He played his fourth season in the WHL for Kamloops, where he's been there 757 00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,159 captain for the last two years. Thirty four goals sixty three assists in forty 758 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:15,000 eight games during the regular season was pretty pretty good, along with some pretty 759 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:22,159 nice playoff performance thirty points in fourteen games. He a member captain of the 760 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:27,559 Memorial Cup hosts Blazers did not quite get it done, but they he was 761 00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,599 really good. It wasn't really his fault, that's for sure. He looked 762 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,480 great all throughout. He had three goals and eight assists for Canada at the 763 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,239 World Juniors and route to a gold medal, his third gold for Canada, 764 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,440 a U eighteen gold and two U twenty golds. He's signed his entry level 765 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,280 deal, so he should be either in the NHL or the HL. As 766 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,440 wescussed previously and looking at some of his tracking data with Mitch Brown's project, 767 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:58,559 he ranks out at one hundred overall one hundred. That's pretty good out of 768 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,239 one hundred. Offense at nine nine transition game out of ninety nine. The 769 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,440 only thing that's a little bit lower is the defense, which he ranks at 770 00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:09,480 sixty eight, which isn't terrible, but his defensive play his CORSI against was 771 00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:13,960 a little bit below average. Most of the rest of the numbers, including 772 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:20,119 his transition success entries exits, his off puck assists, his advantages created all 773 00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:24,320 that looks excellent, really good, including his best asset, which is probably 774 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,960 his playmaking his expected primary assist for sixty off the charts. Really good stuff 775 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:35,599 there from Mitch Brown's data on the tracking data. But we need to dial 776 00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,719 in a little bit more Jesse. So let's hear from our FHL scout on 777 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:45,239 logan Stankovin and our scout on this one is branded Thank you Brandon for forgetting 778 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,159 this one done. Great guy skating for stank Ovin. He's a high torch 779 00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:54,119 skater, generates speed off acceleration, keeps producing force while cruising around slower speeds 780 00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:58,320 or positional work with the puck like on the power play. He has an 781 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,320 acute sense of edgework and we'll use tea pushes and shuffles to create separation and 782 00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:07,239 add a layer of evasiveness passing in handling, Steinkovin's an efficient puck carrier, 783 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,320 always seems to poised to do something with the puck. Very slick and confident 784 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,800 hands. Is comfortable using all aspects of his blades to keep a play alive 785 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:22,159 or create a new. Accurate passes with confident finesse and with purpose, shooting 786 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:28,360 wide range of shot styles, from high skilled dragging wrist shots with altered angles 787 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,599 using the defender as a screen, to outside edge risterers, the deflections, 788 00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:37,519 and one touch snapshots. Stankovin is content with not waiting for the perfect shot 789 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,360 to arise and uses this to his advantage, as the goaltender is then less 790 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,960 prone to be set for the shot. IQ is thinking the game several steps 791 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,719 ahead of the rest of the ice, especially when the puck is on the 792 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,079 stick. Poised and comfortable in holding the puck and being the driver of the 793 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:58,119 play without the puck, anticipating where the play will develop. Always engaged and 794 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,559 attentive. After making a ass he's often on the move to capitalize on some 795 00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:07,559 newly opened up real estate or checking if he's an F one. He's very 796 00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:09,880 direct in this approach, and we'll put pressure on the opponents. Even the 797 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,199 goaltender with a fairly full head of steam. Defense very responsible in the d 798 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,840 zone, can be both pesky and tenacious in pursuit of the puck. Skating 799 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,719 and timing have allowed him to disrupt plays just before they become critical threats. 800 00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:31,719 His best asset intelligence mixed with his motor and the biggest concerned faceoffs if expected 801 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,079 to continue on it as a center in the pros. The heights of minor 802 00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:39,360 concern, but general size and stability is not. So. What is the 803 00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:45,920 top possible outcome for staink Copen and Brandon says ninety plus point top line volume 804 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:52,079 shooter deployed in all situations would be frightening if playing with a similar dynamic play 805 00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:55,719 driving linemate. Lucky for everybody else, Dallas doesn't have any of those fiftieth 806 00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,639 percentile tier outcome for this guy middle sixth forward fifty to sixty points. Some 807 01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:06,840 special teams work where his progress and ceiling is stunted by the physical rigors of 808 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,559 the NHL game, And as stylistic comparable the stable yet dynamic skating style of 809 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,800 Sidney Crosby and Nathan McKinnon, mixed with Marner's flow and census for the game 810 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:21,599 and Patty Kane's stick handling, it sounds like we've created Frankenstein's hockey player right 811 01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,760 there, and to be very afraid. The NHL rank King data and poll 812 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,639 he comes out as above first line in terms of his p NHL E equivalency, 813 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,159 looking like a Jeff Skinner or Mark Stone and the competition, the head 814 01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:39,440 to head is set up against Shane Wright, who would have believed that two 815 01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:44,679 years ago that this was going to be a competition, and in fact the 816 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,440 competition went to Logan staink Covin Oversheen Wright, Shane Right, the ultimate Bilow. 817 01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,639 Maybe Steinkovin is a cell high right now. I don't know, Victor. 818 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,480 Do you think Logan stain Covin is easily the victor Oversheen Right in competition? 819 01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,719 Yeah? I do. I would definitely rather have Logan stan Covin then 820 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,039 Shane Wright. I know it may seem a little strange to some based on 821 01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:13,199 where they were drafted, stan Covin being a second round pick and Right being 822 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,960 the presumed number one for a long time, and then in and up down 823 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,559 at four fourth overall, But yeah, I think that the upside is still 824 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,960 quite high for stank Covin, and I like how much he's improved his projection 825 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:31,480 even after a few years, which is something that Wright had such a weird 826 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,960 year. We talked about it previously, playing in a lot of different leagues 827 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,400 and getting bounced around. It was hard for him to really show what he 828 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,280 could do. But he did look good in the OHL when he was there. 829 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,280 That was the place he played the most. But I think that stank 830 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:52,000 Covin has more points upside right now, it actually does look like Right has 831 01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,800 more star potential. He's hovering at that sixty percent mark, and they're both 832 01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,679 pretty much locks to be NHL or S. Stank Covin a little bit lower 833 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:05,280 at forty percent, but he's got that really nice upward trajectory, whereas Right 834 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,840 it's been a little bit flat and being balanced all around. So I like 835 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,039 me some stank Covin. You know this, And in terms of Stankovin's own 836 01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,920 comps, he has a couple of really good ones like Miroslav Shaitan, Saku 837 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,559 Koivu. The one that Ny put here is Brandon Sod, which is not 838 01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:23,800 nearly as exciting and actually has a downward trajectory, So I don't like that 839 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:30,400 one as much. But I do think stank Covin is someone who is going 840 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:31,400 to play in the NHL. I don't think the size is going to be 841 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,079 an issue, and he's a dynamic playmaker and I don't think he's gonna fall 842 01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,000 into the trap of that might happen with Shane wright, which is they might 843 01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:44,840 put him in more two way situations, and especially the way Seattle has always 844 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,800 run their lines, it would be very frustrating because he's just going to be 845 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:52,960 another guy. He's going to get sixteen to eighteen minutes and be anywhere from 846 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,440 the first to third line. So that's also a little disappointing for We'll see, 847 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,480 maybe that'll change. The top down Hawk model has stank covid at fourteen 848 01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:04,760 percent chance of being a star and sixty three percent chance of being an NHLer. 849 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,519 This model is always more conservative, so those numbers are still pretty good. 850 01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:10,840 But yeah, I like me some. I like with some stanky Jesse 851 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,239 boy, I know you do, Victor. Let's move on to the need 852 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:22,039 to know prospect. Who is it? The need to know is Christian Cairou 853 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:27,400 Dallas's second round pick from last year twenty twenty two. Five ten hundred and 854 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,239 eighty three pound right hand a. D was nearly a point per game last 855 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,440 season and this season went over in two stints he was with the Eerie Otters 856 01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,559 before he got traded to the Sarnia Sting. He was over point per game 857 01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:44,679 in both places, a little bit lower in the playoffs for Sarnia, but 858 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,639 twenty goals fifty seven assists in sixty four games combined with both Erie and Sarnia. 859 01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,639 And reminder that he's literally about as old as you can be for his 860 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:59,199 draft season September sixteenth birth date, so that means he was just as old 861 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,840 as you can be, so that maybe a little bit lowers his runway in 862 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,440 terms of how much he can improve from here. And yes, in case 863 01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:11,679 you hadn't heard, he is Jordan Cairo's little brother. And in terms of 864 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,480 the rest of the information we got to hear from our FHL scouts about Christian 865 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:20,840 Cairou and our FHL scout this time is Jeremy once again, love you, 866 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:26,639 Jeremy. Thanks for the work on this. Skating for Cairo. Elite smooth 867 01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:29,639 stride that allows him to get back in position or join the rush and the 868 01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:33,119 traditional game passing and handling is above average. His passing's fine, but not 869 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:36,960 elite. He holds the puck well and shields with his body better than someone 870 01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,079 his size should be able to. Shooting is above average, making it a 871 01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:45,199 very good shot here. If you put him in the skills competition, I 872 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,280 bet it look great, says Jeremy isn't particularly well utilize, though, so 873 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,159 that's one of the biggest spaces for growth. IQ elite. He has good 874 01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:58,519 instinct for when to join the rush or pinch versus staying back. Additionally, 875 01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:00,960 his vision with the puck is very good. He will patiently hold on to 876 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:06,159 it for teammates to join him in the zone defense above average. Cairo's rush 877 01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:10,920 defense is phenomenal. He's fast, has a quick stick, and is good 878 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,519 at gapping up. His end zone is a bit worse, but at least 879 01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:17,039 average. Positionally sound, but lacks a bit of tenacity or aggression in front 880 01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:20,960 of the net. Best asset is the IQ. He's a smart player, 881 01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:27,320 is Kirou. He's very good at deciding when to join the runch or pinch 882 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,679 versus gapping up. Biggest concern size. I know we're all about dynamic, 883 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,440 small right handed d in the league, says Jeremy, But Kira doesn't quite 884 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,599 have that elite skill set. He profiles more as a steady two way transitional 885 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,440 guy, which is a bit harder to make it if you're undersized. So 886 01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:45,760 the top tier that Jeremy sees him coming out at would be a second pairing 887 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,239 minute muncher with occasional power play one stints. Probably more of a steady guy 888 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:56,519 than a dynamic top pairing guy. Fifty percentile role the middle outcome for this 889 01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:00,239 guy, third pairing sixteen minutes a night, d if his offense does play 890 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,880 uppers size becomes an issue. There's no bad skill here, so the floor 891 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:09,320 should be pretty safe. Stylistic comparable a small Adam Larson. His gap control 892 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,119 and movement off the puck is similar, and Larson has some offense when given 893 01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:18,400 the green light as well. Cairo's p NHL E similarity score has trended upwards 894 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:24,599 to actually first line potential just right now. Connor Timmins, Kandre Miller, 895 01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:30,599 Joe Marrow at the top matches on p NHL E and the competition. We're 896 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,320 going to put him in for the NHL Rank King poll as Christian Kaira reversus 897 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:40,440 Christian Luno of the Anaheim Ducks, the number two pick in the draft last 898 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,480 year, actually taken three picks after Christian Kirou in the same draft, and 899 01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:48,280 it went up and everybody loves them. Some Anaheim Duck the men because Christian 900 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:55,280 Luno knowses out Christian Kirou fifty two to forty eight. I don't know, 901 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,960 Victor, I thought you were a Cairous stand in the past. Are you 902 01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,000 in favor of him coming out of Luno? Are the people correct that Luno 903 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,840 is the better pick? I really do Luno. I also really appreciate this 904 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:14,159 report from Jeremy because Cairou has some really good instincts. He has some offensive 905 01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:15,800 flashes. I think he has a really good shot. He's really adept at 906 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,039 getting puck on net. But as he mentions like, some of these things 907 01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:25,760 might not fully translate and he might be more of just a transitional two way 908 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,440 guy and not nearly as exciting and fantasy. So that makes me a little 909 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:34,280 bit worried. He is a little bit smaller, too, so that's slightly 910 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:39,119 concerning. Luno has three inches on him. I think both of these teams 911 01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:42,320 draft really well. So if you're trying to think which organization do I trust? 912 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,440 I really trust Anaheim Duck Defenseman. They have done an amazing job. 913 01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:53,079 Just look at their track record of drafting defenseman. It's outstanding. Dallas also 914 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:56,440 has done pretty well recently. Obviously, they made some really great second round 915 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,159 picks like Henson Robertson stan Covin, So I think this also bodes well for 916 01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:05,880 them, but I would take Luno. I think that he's probably less likely 917 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,000 to be a regular NHLO. If you were just betting on the two hundred 918 01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:12,960 game idea, like who's more likely play two hundred games, I think it's 919 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,079 probably Kiru, But in terms of upside for fantasy, I think it's Luno, 920 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,720 So I would take him. I think that's what you want. You 921 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:26,199 want that twenty to thirty percent outcome That maybe is less likely, but if 922 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:30,840 it hits, you're super happy, and Kiru all the more likely might end 923 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,039 up just being an average roster kind of player that's not super exciting, and 924 01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:36,600 so then you'd be a little bit bummed if it all worked out. And 925 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,800 looking at hockey prospecting between these two, Kiru is at thirteen percent chance of 926 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,439 being a star, Luno at twenty one percent, and as you mentioned, 927 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,720 they were drafted in the same year, right near each other, so no 928 01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:53,640 big difference there, except Luno is a little bit younger. I also think 929 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,600 that the runaway for Kirou is something really important to keep in mind. As 930 01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,279 someone who's always been bigger, older and stronger than most of his competition, 931 01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:04,720 that advantage is going to disappear for him pretty soon, and it's going to 932 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,800 be really interesting to see how he transitions to that. If he does really 933 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,600 well, then great, then that concern is a layed. But it's quite 934 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,640 possible that he struggles a lot because he's always been bigger than everyone and he's 935 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,960 not going to be and he might struggle with how to adapt to that situation. 936 01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:26,239 So we'll have to see. But yeah, I like Luno here. 937 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,039 They're both the same in terms of NHL or probability, and if you just 938 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:33,720 look at Cairou's numbers, he's got some pretty good comps. The one outlier 939 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,359 I would say is Andre Markov, who was a star producer, so yeah, 940 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,119 that would be a great outcome, But most of them are more average, 941 01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:45,039 like Stefan Robida and Zach Jones, who were still waiting to see what 942 01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:48,000 he looks like. He could end up being someone like Roboda, who's not 943 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:54,800 average producer. Top down hockey model pretty conservative on Cairous six percent chance of 944 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,439 being a star, seventy eight percent chance of being an NHL er, so 945 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,720 yeah, there's some more conservative there. Jessie sounds like I'm gonna skip Christian 946 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,319 Caiou in the last round of our prospect draft that we're in right now, 947 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:13,239 Victor, Let's move on. Who's the keep your eye on prospect keep your 948 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:17,720 eye on is Maverick Bork. We also mentioned him briefly thirtieth overall pick, 949 01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:23,640 eighty five pounds center. I thought he might make the team last year since 950 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:29,159 Johnston was miners eligible and could be sent down, and I knew that Borke 951 01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:31,479 could be in the HL. He was going to be a pro either way. 952 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,920 But it obviously didn't turn out that way. But Borke did go down 953 01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:42,079 and did pretty well in the HL forty seven points in seventy games, including 954 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,359 four more and eight playoff games. That was pretty great. People were clamoring 955 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,840 for him to get an opportunity in Dallas because he was looking so well. 956 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,359 As Taylor mentioned, they just didn't have the space. They were healthy, 957 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,119 they didn't really need him to come up. But he is someone who's extremely 958 01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:01,600 NHL ready, and he's got tears left on the entry level, so we 959 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,520 should be seeing him have a role here relatively soon. But what is your 960 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,920 take? What does our scouts take? Jesse on Maverick Pork. Our scout 961 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:15,000 the FHL scout on this case was William skating NHL average skating good strides with 962 01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:19,199 good top speed often finds him not moving his feet enough, but this is 963 01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:24,439 more in the involvement than the skating. Passing and handling can protect the puckle 964 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,479 and not around the board. Rate passer mainly due to his IQ and the 965 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,800 aforementioned IQ probably already more than NHL level ready. He can read the play 966 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,079 before it even develops. He can find the open space easily, uses his 967 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:43,520 stick for clever deflections and stick lift against defenders panic meter very low. Has 968 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,079 an idea what he wants to do and the pressure doesn't affect it. For 969 01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:50,159 checking, usually not the first guy in the ford check bad habit of turning 970 01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:56,840 in front of the demon instead of instigating contact defense are really smart player, 971 01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,319 so anticipation in the D zone isn't a problem, but is involved it is. 972 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,560 He often stands still holding the middle of the zone but rarely jumps into 973 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:08,880 play to defend. With his anticipation in top speed, he can back check 974 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:14,479 and help defenders on most odd man rushes. Best assets hockey IQ. Biggest 975 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,079 concern physicality. He can easily get pushed off the puck along the board. 976 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:23,520 Not the biggest, but doesn't he's not afraid of contact. The playoff game 977 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,039 against Milwaukee that he watched proved that he can play those playoff games, but 978 01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:30,880 will need to gain strength and wait to help him so the top tier outcome. 979 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,279 He could see tier two. In an ideal world, he could stay 980 01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:38,920 a year or two in the HL and then take Pavelski's spot when he retires. 981 01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:43,359 Strength and weakness are very similar to what Pavelski is and with his hockey, 982 01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:48,760 IQ can fit in perfectly. With hints and Robertson fifty percentile medium is 983 01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:54,199 scoring top nine all the tools offensively to produce at least forty to fifty points. 984 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,520 Maverick Bork's potential is coming out as having dropped a little bit. In 985 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,520 the p NHL E equivalences. Christian Fishers is number one, Nazimcadre number two, 986 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:10,239 Jason Robertson number three. The model is having a day lookat a that. 987 01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,880 But anyway, Maverick Bork versus recent drafty Oliver More, we love our 988 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:21,279 Oliver Moore, the new Blackhawk versus the twenty twenty first rounder of the Stars, 989 01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:25,520 and who are you going to take? Oliver Moore is the name in 990 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:30,560 people's minds and he comes out pretty significantly ahead of Maverick Bork seventy percent to 991 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,439 thirty percent. Victor, do you want Oliver Moore more than Maverick Bork? 992 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,159 It was right there for you, do you want Oliver more than Bork? 993 01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:44,159 You didn't have to add the other more that. There you go, Victor, 994 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,560 Come on, jeez, yeah, no, I don't. What's interesting 995 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:54,359 about this is that more I don't think any team on draft Day had their 996 01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,079 future five to ten years of where their position is in the lineup blocked in 997 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,560 more than Oliver more Right when they drafted him after Connor Berdard, it was 998 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,479 like, here, you're going to be our number two or three center for 999 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:14,000 the next decade, basically, that's what they said. And obviously having the 1000 01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:16,880 potential to play with Bidart, although I think that's a little less likely since 1001 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,640 they played the same position. I do think that it might help. Maybe 1002 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:26,199 they can on the power play together. Maybe maybe Badarta play on his wings. 1003 01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:30,279 Sometimes you never know it's possible. But I do think he's gonna end 1004 01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:33,479 up just being a second fiddle where he doesn't really get the best guys to 1005 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:38,920 play with, the best opportunity all that kind of stuff. So I do 1006 01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:42,680 think that More is a much better real life player than he is a fantasy 1007 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,640 asset. And I have to tell you, of all the people I talked 1008 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:50,680 to scouts with in Nashville, I was the most. My mind was changed 1009 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:56,119 the most on all of them. More so many of them just really didn't 1010 01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:00,000 see any dynamism there. The fact that his body moves faster than his brain 1011 01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:03,479 can keep up. And that's a big concern because he's no one doubts that 1012 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,479 he's super fast. But if he ends up becoming the next Andrew Cogliano, 1013 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,439 you're gonna be super disappointed and taking him really early in your draft. So 1014 01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:18,399 I think a lot of this. I think this poll is very slanted towards 1015 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:25,640 recency bias and what everyone's seeing. And if you wanted to give Bork to 1016 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,960 take more and kick the decision down the line a little bit, sure, 1017 01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:31,159 I'm fine with that. I don't think that Bork is so like amazing that 1018 01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,720 you're going to regret that massively. But I do still like Bork. I 1019 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,840 think he's super smart. I think he has a lot of ability. I 1020 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,439 think his two way game is a little underrated. I think he can, 1021 01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:47,680 as Taylor mentioned, slide in and maybe play some penalty kill and be more 1022 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,079 of a two way guy that they need him to be, with still having 1023 01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:55,000 some good offensive upside and maybe getting some powerplay times. I like More. 1024 01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:58,039 I think if I just had to choose blindly between the two, I would 1025 01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:01,000 take Bork. I also like how he's very nh already. More is going 1026 01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:05,479 to be at least a few years, three to four years, and we'll 1027 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,119 let to see what he develops into. I think it's very likely that all 1028 01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:15,359 over More is just the bottom six checking center, and that's disappointing in fantasy, 1029 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,680 but he certainly has a really high potential. If you look at them 1030 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,960 on the Hockey Prospecting model, More was just a little bit ahead of where 1031 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,439 Mavick Bork was in their draft season, and Bork has he's thought up and 1032 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,239 down, but right now he's about half of where he started. He started 1033 01:16:28,319 --> 01:16:30,640 thirty percent, now he's at fifteen percent. So he's been able to held 1034 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:38,800 that relatively steady. More started at nearly fifty percent and of star potential and 1035 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,600 anyways, so I do Bork a little bit better for what he's been able 1036 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,680 to maintain. I have a feeling that More will really fall off and that 1037 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:51,159 star potential will trend down pretty heavily. We'll see, though. Bork has 1038 01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:57,439 some pretty good comps, guys like Jeffrey Loopele is a decent one. One 1039 01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,439 of the ones I think he looks the most like is Timo Meyer. They're 1040 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,520 also both guys from the queue, and their equivalences are pretty similar. In 1041 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,399 fact, Bork's numbers look much better than Meyers. He started higher, he 1042 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,520 ended higher in the model, and so IM not saying that he's going to 1043 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,520 be better than Timo Meyer. Obviously they're different kinds of players, but I 1044 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,960 think there's a chance that he ends up being more like Meyer than he than 1045 01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:23,359 one of the other comps here it's Alex Kneelander. I think he's more likely 1046 01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:26,079 to end up like Meyer than he is like Alex Kneelander. So I guess 1047 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,399 there's that. The Jay Fresh card has him pretty pessimistic five percent chance of 1048 01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,399 being a star, twenty nine percent chance of being an NHLA from Maverick Pork, 1049 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,520 so a little more pessimistic, but overall I do like him. I 1050 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,760 really think we need to keep our eye on him, and we need to 1051 01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,640 see how things go in camp and see what opportunities he gets. Jesse. 1052 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,439 There are more guys we could talk about, but there's no time here. 1053 01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,920 If you're a patron, you can listen to my top ten lists, which 1054 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,920 I just did a whole bunch of on Patreon. If you're interesting doing some 1055 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,039 scouty, you can shoot me a dam on Twitter or discord or email us. 1056 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:06,880 If you darn right, you come right back to the shows, Yes, 1057 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,640 sir, a couple of things you ought to know before we leave here 1058 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,079 today. Our show is brought to you by fantracks dot com. You can 1059 01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,680 move your leagues over there, ask them and they'll even help you out start 1060 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,239 new leagues, though why not. It's a new year. Start some new 1061 01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:24,720 leagues. 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