WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:15.919 Welcome to the crown On InCor Greyhounds. This is Richmond Till We Die, 2 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.879 a conversation about the Apple TV Plus show ted Lasso, where we explore the 3 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:23.280 characters, their relationships to each other, and how they're able to make us 4 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.600 laugh until we can hardly breathe one moment and then feel with the deepest parts 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:35.320 of our hearts the next. I'm Brett and I think I may have finally 6 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:40.079 found my doorway to wear. In today's episode, alongside my co host Marissa 7 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:44.240 and Christian, I am ridiculously excited to introduce our guest for today, the 8 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.600 co creator, executive producer, songwriter, and showrunner of the Apple TV Plus 9 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:53.799 series Schmigadoon Sinko Paul. In addition to Schmigadoon, Sinko Paul is also known 10 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:57.280 for his work as a screenwriter for beloved films like Horton, Here's a Who, 11 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.079 The Lorax, The Secret Life of Pets, and The Pickable Me trilogy, 12 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.959 all of which he worked on with his longtime friend and collaborator Ken Dario. 13 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.239 Because of the overlapping themes and general good vibes of both shows, there 14 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:14.560 are many Ted Lasso fans who are also Schmegadoon fans, But if you have 15 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.079 yet to make your own journey to the quaint little town of Schmeigadoon, allow 16 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:22.239 me to provide a brief synopsis before we get into our conversation. Schmeegadoon is 17 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:26.400 a musical comedy series that centers on the relationship of two New York City doctors, 18 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.159 Josh and Melissa, played by Keegan, Michael Key, and Cecily Strong, 19 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.359 respectively. The show is a brilliant love letter to musical theater, which 20 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:40.319 also cleverly parodies many of the genre's most recognizable features through hilarious and heartfelt performances 21 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.760 from the a list cast of musical theater stars. The first season premiered on 22 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.560 Apple TV Plus in July twenty twenty one, and the second season, titled 23 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:53.959 Schicago, is currently midway through its six episode run. Schmeegadoon Season one follows 24 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.599 Josh and Melissa as they embark on a backpacking trip in an attempt to patch 25 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.120 up their failing relationship. They get austin the woods and soon discover a magical 26 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.920 town called Schmigadoon, which is perpetually trapped in the esthetics and musical stylings of 27 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:12.080 Golden Age musicals like Oklahoma and the Music Man. Melissa and Josh soon learn 28 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.080 that they cannot leave the town until they find true love, and in the 29 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:20.639 second season, a recently married Melissa and Josh are struggling with feelings of unhappiness, 30 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.039 so they resolve to return to the quaint town of Schmigadoon in search of 31 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:28.159 a remedy. Unfortunately, their journey into the woods leads them to Schmicago, 32 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.840 a magical city that pays satirical homage to the sexier, darker musicals of the 33 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:37.439 nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. In order to escape, they must find a 34 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:42.560 happy end. In case it wasn't already abundantly clear, we hear at Richmond 35 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.639 Till We Die are huge fans of Schmigadoon. Luckily, Sinko is a big 36 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.840 fan of ted Lasso too, and so we were thrilled to have an opportunity 37 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.280 to chat with the man who helped create another one of our favorite shows. 38 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.599 And let this be your official warning. There are some light spoilers for the 39 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.719 first four episodes of ted Lasso's third season, as well as the first three 40 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:07.719 episodes of Schmickadon's A second season in this episode, So Greyhounds please join us 41 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:12.919 in giving a warm welcome to Sinco. Paul, thank you so much for 42 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.599 being here with us. Sinko Ah, thanks so much for having me very 43 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:21.039 excited. We're thrilled you're here. And one of the things that's brought us 44 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.520 together today is you are a fan of ted Lasso. So why did you 45 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.759 decide to start watching the show or what kept you watching the show? Well, 46 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.400 you know, I feel very connected to the show, and thank heavens 47 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:37.960 for ted Lasso, right for I mean for my show. Right It's helped 48 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.159 my show so much. It helped really launch Apple TV plus in a big 49 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.240 way. So I'm sure initially I was curious about it because of that, 50 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:53.919 right because oh, you know, Apple bought my show. Here's their first 51 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.800 big comedy coming out. I should check that out. And always have been 52 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.919 as Todcas fan, you know, for the longest time. So and I 53 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.120 think, I, you know, I'm kind of a sports guy, although 54 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:12.360 not a soccer or you know, football as it's called Hill as a fam 55 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:18.480 but I'd seen his like bits, you know, and so so because of 56 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:23.000 that, so I started watching out of curiosity. But then I was really 57 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:28.160 pulled in by you know, my show also really wears its heart on its 58 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.959 sleeve, and it is kind of meant to be an antidote to cynicism and 59 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.560 all those sort of things. And I just felt like, oh my gosh, 60 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.879 this is a show after my own heart that had a very like I 61 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.079 always feel like everything I do, I'm trying to redo. It's a wonderful 62 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.560 life, right, and it's a very George Bailey Jimmy Stewart sort of character. 63 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.399 So so I think I was looked right from the first episode because I 64 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:54.560 said, oh, I see what this is show is doing, and I 65 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.879 freaking love it. It's fitting that you mentioned it's a wonderful life and George 66 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.920 Bailey, because isn't Ted watching It's a Wonderful Life in the Christmas episode and 67 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.519 season? Isn't that on the TV? So I think that's a film that 68 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:11.199 Jason really enjoys two from what we've read and even seen in the show. 69 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:16.079 So and like Ted Lasso himself speaking of you clearly love musical theater. Thinking 70 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.279 back, what was your introduction to the genre and what is it that made 71 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.319 you fall in love or maybe stay in love with it for this long? 72 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.040 Yeah, I think. I mean it started with my mom playing her records, 73 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.879 you know, when I was a little kid, and so these cast 74 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.879 recordings of Camelot. I particularly remember Camelot in South Pacific and My Fair Lady 75 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.720 and Guys and Dolls. I think I still have the LPs that I inherited 76 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.560 from her of those, but that when I was a really little kid, 77 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.600 I kind of fell in love with it. Then I think what really pulled 78 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:53.079 me in was I'm a freshman in high school. I played piano ever since 79 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.160 I was like five. I was a classical pianist, and you know, 80 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.800 and they asked me if I had accompany the school music, which is how 81 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:06.120 to succeed in business, and changed my life because I found my people, 82 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:10.399 you know, I found my tribe, and it's like, oh, this 83 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.639 is my group. And I loved it. And I was really good at 84 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.279 playing piano by ear. So I would sit at the piano and they would 85 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.480 call out songs and I'd play them and they'd sing them, and I just 86 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:24.000 felt like a superhero ors you know, I just felt like so loved. 87 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:29.040 And also, you know, that's where all the girls were, so it 88 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.600 was also like they'd sit down at the bench on the bench next to me, 89 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.000 and I was just like, I'm in heaven. I never want to 90 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:40.759 leave this place. So I ended up playing piano for like my first three 91 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.480 years, and I always I wanted to be on stage, you know, 92 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.920 really badly, and so finally my senior year they let me. And you 93 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.279 know, I had one of the leads in the musical. But yeah, 94 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:55.160 that's not my thing. I'm a horrible actor, but it was nice of 95 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.800 them to give me the chance to be on stage finally. Wow. Well, 96 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:01.600 I'm so excited that you said that, because I'm a singer and a 97 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.319 pianist as well, and that's kind of how I got my start, was 98 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:10.360 accompanying for shows. And oh you know, it takes a very special skill 99 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.519 to do that. I mean, you could be a great piano player, 100 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.560 but the company for musical theater just works so many other muscles and I love 101 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.000 that too, So I'm great. Great to hear. Yeah, yeah, 102 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:27.040 that's the best, right you have to follow the singers. It's a collaborative 103 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.800 effort. Yeah, totally. We've mentioned a couple of different similarities between ted 104 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:38.920 Lasso and Schmigadon. Another one is that both shows have developed musical motifs for 105 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.439 certain characters. It's something that we talked about with Tom Howe, one of 106 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.959 the composers for the show, when we interviewed him. And so, while 107 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.360 it's common in film scores and stage work, not so much in television. 108 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:57.319 What are the challenges and rewards of that approach in this television medium and why 109 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.759 do you think the motif of the technique works so well for both shows? 110 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.519 Um? Boy, I can mostly speak to my own show, you know, 111 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:07.439 I mean, we're a musical, so it's like, you know, 112 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.680 it's very easy to find everybody's theme. It's the song that they last saw, 113 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.720 right, And so so Christopher Willis, who does all of our score, 114 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:22.959 our underscore mostly he just likes took all the melodies from my songs and 115 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.839 it was really important to you keep those melodies alive. But it also like 116 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.559 works really well emotionally, right. I Mean, it's like music is so 117 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.799 powerful, so all you have to do is hear the theme and you remember, 118 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.639 oh, I remember when the mayor sang that song about wanting to let 119 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.519 everybody know he's gay, but he can't, you know, And so whenever 120 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.320 you play that, it's just like it takes you back to that place. 121 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.120 So it's a shorthand, right, it's really valuable. I never saw it 122 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:56.399 as any sort of challenge and but just like a great tool to use in 123 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:01.200 storytelling and character work. I think I've noticed, you know, in season 124 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:09.000 two of Schicago, we even have those motifs coming back from season one, 125 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.639 which I watched with some of our college students, and some of them had 126 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.399 seen Schmigadoon and some of them were starting with Chicago, and so those who 127 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.519 I think had watched for the first season, it just makes you feel more 128 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.360 embedded in the story when you get to you know, recall who they were 129 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.320 last season and who they are this season. So I just I love that 130 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.679 they gets so creative and wonderful. Oh thanks, yeah, that's I love 131 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.679 it too. There's I think there's a really impactful moment when Cecily's characters meets 132 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:43.159 Alan's character in Chicago, and of course she had a real connection to him 133 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.519 in Schmigadoon, but he doesn't remember her, so there's this bitter sweet thing 134 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.480 and then when his theme plays over that, it's just like I actually get 135 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.399 a little teary. It's yes, because you remember, oh she remembers him, 136 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.919 and they were really good friends. But now we doesn't remember her. 137 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.039 It's kind of sad, but so yeah, it's I mean, the power 138 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.840 of music, man, it is. It is the best and that and 139 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:13.480 you see that all through ted Lasso too, right in song selection and all 140 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.320 that sort of stuff. Yeah, and Hannah singing and yeah, she's truly 141 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.840 amazing. And I think one of the reasons that so many fans cross over 142 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.519 from ted Lasso Schmigadoon is because of just the honesty and characters which you know, 143 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.759 and I don't know, maybe you can say what sort of how you 144 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.799 would define Schmigadoon, you know, is it a parody? You know? 145 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.200 It feels like a love letter to musical theater, you know, and I 146 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:45.000 think that's why so many fans you know, fall in love with it and 147 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.360 just appreciate, you know, even as they started their journey through the woods 148 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.720 in season two and you hear that little into the Woods, Oh, it's 149 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.080 just like it just gives you those you know, those little nuggets where if 150 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.240 you know, you know, and you just feel so special, like getting 151 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:07.120 those little surprise Easter eggs all throughout. Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned 152 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.159 that, because that was one little thing. I thought, there's there are 153 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.440 a couple who are struggling to have a child, and I go into the 154 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.840 woods. So it's very very into the woods. And also the sense that 155 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.799 we're kind of like act two of Into the Woods in season two of Schmigadoon. 156 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.240 As far as Ted Lasso and our show lining up, like my dream 157 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.360 was that someone would do an article saying like perfect companion, Apple now has 158 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.399 like the perfect set of comedies. And someone wrote that article and it was 159 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.080 just like Ted Lasso and Schmigadoon, like it's just like this earnest you know, 160 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.919 hopeful shows you know that go well together. And it made me so 161 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.039 happy because I really aspired to be like that. We will never have the 162 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:56.200 audience that Ted does, but but I love whenever we're lapt in, you 163 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.000 know, with that show well as as an educator of music or educator too, 164 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.000 I think the audience will only continue to grow, as it seems to 165 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.679 do with musical theater pieces, you know, and especially as you you're building 166 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.799 the genre and the history of it throughout, you know, eras and I've 167 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.279 taught musical theater history and I just think, oh my gosh, I never 168 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.600 have to teach this class again. I'm just gonna make them watch Chicago. 169 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.159 So I just want to tell you thank you right away. Oh, you're 170 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:33.360 welcome. We we did it for the music theater history features perfect. Well. 171 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.679 Kind of on that note, actually, I'm curious just if you if 172 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.600 you're able to give us a little bit of peek into the macro creative process 173 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.000 behind Schmigadoon in Chicago, Like, at what point did you know it was 174 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.320 going to be kind of a blended or sort of mixed anthology series where you 175 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.159 followed protagonists, but you were going to be progressing through you know, music 176 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.919 theater history chronologically. Yeah, as soon as we knew, because when we 177 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.840 pitched the show, we didn't really know what shape it would take. You 178 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.200 know, how many episodes a season? We didn't really know that. And 179 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.879 so then Apple kind of like clarified that for us, like we're doing this 180 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.360 amount of episodes. And so as soon as that was locked in, I 181 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.240 said, okay, well, I have more than six episodes of what I 182 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.399 want to do with this show in me, and there's going to be multiple 183 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.919 seasons. And right at that point, I thought, oh, each season 184 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:31.440 is going to go into a different era of musicals, so very early on 185 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.879 I had that, but I didn't know for sure if we were going to 186 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.600 get a second season. So you know, you finished the first season keeping 187 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.799 your fingers crossed, and I pulled a lot of the cast aside and said, 188 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.039 if we get to do a second season, how'd you like to be 189 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.360 Sally Bulls? And you know, are telling Ariana what do you think of 190 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.759 being the MC or? I told Aaron, you know, Pipin meets Jesus, 191 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.399 and you know, just to see all their eyes, see their eyes 192 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.080 light up, it was just the best feeling. It's like I said, 193 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.080 oh, I pray, I pray that we can get a second season. 194 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.799 So it was so great when we had that opportunity. And so then it 195 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:13.240 is just like it's your dream casting all your favorite shows, you know. 196 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.519 I mean, my favorite musical of all time is Sweeney Todd and Pipton is 197 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.840 also really close. So I knew I wanted those shows for sure. And 198 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.639 then you know, who wouldn't want to see Sweeney Todd with Alan Cumming and 199 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:30.000 Kristin Chenowith as totally in love it? Oh my gosh, it's amazing. 200 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:31.799 Well where were you going? Well? I was just gonna say, Britt 201 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.879 and I were talking last night and he was like, oh my gosh, 202 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.200 just to be single, Paul, and you're you're amazing as a creative yourself. 203 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.679 But to have people like aarontivate like singing your songs. I mean, 204 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.039 what does that like? To have these powerhouses just crushing what you created? 205 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.960 I mean it is like I have to pinch myself off and on set and 206 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.159 I just I take a step back sometimes because you sometimes get so mired in 207 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.679 everything else. But it's just like, oh my gosh, I wrote a 208 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.519 song in the style of Steven Sundheime, my hero, and Kristin Chenowith is 209 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.279 singing it right now. It's like, this is crazy. How did this 210 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:15.320 ever happen? And there's one song, there's a love duet in episode four. 211 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.279 It's a song that I actually wrote the melody of when I was like 212 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:24.240 nineteen, and it's always sort of stuck with me because I was very enamored 213 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.720 of Stephen Schwartz, so it's very much in his style. But when I 214 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:35.519 watched them singing that song, I was like, oh my gosh, you 215 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.759 know, nineteen year old Cinco, his mind would be blown right now. 216 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.399 This little song that he wrote, is now being performed by Dev Cameron and 217 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.840 Aaron Vade and the show on Apple Tea. It's crazy. And if I 218 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.200 can sneak in a follow up, what is it like to watch them sort 219 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.720 of prepare for and to embody like this love letter? You know, what's 220 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.559 what's the communication theretory between all of you. I mean, obviously they do 221 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:02.440 a lot of preparation on their own, but but it is really fun to 222 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.960 teach them the songs, you know, and see them learn the songs and 223 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.960 see them get excited and then they make great choices. You know. The 224 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.559 best choices are the ones that surprised me and it's like, oh, I 225 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.720 didn't think Kristen would do that, you know, but it's just like it's 226 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.559 so her. And that's what makes a performance unique, where they're not trying 227 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.440 to be somebody else. It's just naturally they do their thing and it makes 228 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.000 it unique. Yeah, And just to give a little bit of context for 229 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:34.720 our listeners who may become via ted Lasso and more of the sports realm and 230 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:40.519 not so much the musical theater realm, like who you're working with. Well, 231 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.360 I made the comment last night as we were watching with some of Marissa's 232 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.480 students. It's like it's like watching the ninety five Bulls. You know, 233 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.919 It's like it's it's like watching the twenty twelve heat you know, like you 234 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:55.159 have like they're all A listers. All these people have had defining cultural moments 235 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.600 on the Broadway stage, and it's just, you know, I was just 236 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:02.559 thinking and the even the folks that you've added in season two, Titus Burgess 237 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:07.759 and Patrick Page, like, holy cow, it's crazy. Yeah, the 238 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.440 amount of Tony's and Emmy's and Grammys they all have. And it was kind 239 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.319 of it was easier to get them first season because it was right in the 240 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.440 middle of the pandemic, nothing else was happening. We were one of the 241 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:22.559 first shows to start shooting, and so then it was always a question are 242 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.960 they going to come back for season two? But they were all so excited 243 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.799 because you know, this is their chance to really show everything they can do. 244 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.519 And so I think that's one of the reasons everybody came back, because 245 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.480 because it's like they loved the show and they love doing it. They love 246 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:42.759 each other too, Like we're all on a group text and everybody's really supportive 247 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:48.200 of each other. Whenever someone accomplishes something, there's a lot of congratulations, 248 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.200 so it is like a big happy family. I am dying to know. 249 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:57.400 You know, you write all these songs and they are nods and homages to 250 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:03.279 the songs that have come before or like in Pippin, And how do you 251 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:08.839 make it sound like a song we all know but still make it unique? 252 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.279 I mean, I just I listen to it and I think, oh, 253 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.559 that has to be like the hardest way to write music ever, Like how 254 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.000 do you do that? I don't know if it is. I mean, 255 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.880 it's not easy, for sure, but it is not you know, you've 256 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.400 got a model, right, but it is. It does take. It 257 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.200 takes some work because I don't want it to ever be a lazy parody, 258 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:36.359 you know, I hate those those lazy musical theater Parry's like bouncy bouncy, 259 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:41.319 and this isn't what musicals all musical sound like. So I am pretty rigorous 260 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.839 with myself that I play through the scores on the piano first, you know, 261 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.480 to really get to know them. And then if I'm targeting a song, 262 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.519 like I really get to know that song. And so I want to 263 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:56.200 learn the tendencies of the composers harmonically and those things, so it feels like 264 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.119 it's a bona fide, like oh, this is a candor an EBB song 265 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.680 that I've never heard before, or this is a Stephen Sondheim song that was 266 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.519 recently discovered. That's the goal, you know. And I don't know if 267 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:14.039 anyone will ever really mistake my song for an actual one, but the goal 268 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:18.079 is will like get close to that. But it's really fun because I mean 269 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:19.480 it comes from a place of love, right. I love these songs so 270 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:23.000 much. I didn't have to do a lot of research on like the songs 271 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:30.240 from Pippin because I know them factory before. Well, my my tenor students 272 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.200 were already like deciding who gets to sing Aaron debates, like, oh, 273 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:41.480 Doorway to Where that was the first song I wrote for this season, just 274 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.119 sort of like I knew because you know, because I'm such a Pippin fan. 275 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.920 It's like, oh, there will be a corner of the sky. 276 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.400 Yeah, And it was my dream like maybe this because it was such the 277 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.119 big tenor audition song for like decades, I mean it, and so it's 278 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.440 like, yeah, so it's like maybe this will give a I'm alta. 279 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.559 Oh seriously, my students were like, it's my next semester. Yeah, 280 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:10.640 the tenors are all thriving with the new material for Aaron Tobate's characters. Because 281 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.039 I also think you can't Tame Me is like the best, like Billy but 282 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:21.160 make it tenor like it's so good. Poor Christian is like I don't know 283 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:25.799 what we're talking about. I'm digging out. So I do have a question. 284 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.680 One of the amazing things about live theater is this suspense that anything can 285 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:36.759 happen at any moment, And so how does having all of those cameras there 286 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:44.440 and the ability to do things over and over again change the tension, the 287 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.079 process or even the consumption of what you're doing. You can answer that in 288 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:53.559 terms of schmigagoon or you know, we've seen some very prominent musical theater productions 289 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.359 now cinematized in the last few years, so like either way, but how 290 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:03.200 does the ability to have do overs changed the vibe? Yeah, I mean, 291 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.799 I will tell you, I wrote too big of a show for our 292 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.319 for the shooting schedule we had this season, and so it was kind of 293 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.079 like every day are we going to make our day today? You know, 294 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.839 it was like very tough, so so the reality was we didn't always have 295 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:26.359 a lot of the leisure of tons of takes. And what's also great is 296 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.480 like these are pros. They are used to doing eight shows a week, 297 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.440 and so they give you the goods on the first take almost every time. 298 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.799 You know, it's very rarely that we would have to do it again. 299 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:41.920 So it almost does feel a little more like live theater than it normally would. 300 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.319 And also I like to get as much as we can, like long 301 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:49.319 take shots for the musical numbers, see the dancers head to toe, you 302 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.839 know, and not have it be so much editing, although there's more of 303 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.519 it this season because Fosse did that a lot. You know, Bob Fosse 304 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.759 like choreographed for the camera, and so there are cuts that are part of 305 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:06.799 the choreography and so we wanted to emulate that as well. But it really 306 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:10.960 does feel like we're putting on a show, you know, more than we're 307 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:18.519 making a TV show some days. One of the things we love about ted 308 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.799 Lasso is the way that it incorporates pop culture references and meta or self referential 309 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:27.039 jokes into the dialogue, kind of by virtue of Shamiga Dune's format. You're 310 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:32.559 doing this almost constantly, but like, without spoiling anything, what were maybe 311 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.759 a couple of your very most favorite references that you got in. I know 312 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:37.559 you've already mentioned a couple like Corner of the Sky had to be in. 313 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.839 So maybe what's some that had to be left on the editing room floor that 314 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.960 you're a little bit still sad about. Yeah, I mean, first I'll 315 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:51.039 mention one that's a little more subtle, just for you know, I had 316 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:56.319 an idea that I wanted Cecily to wear every outfit the barber strice and had 317 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.599 worn and funny Girl or on a clear day you can see forever, because 318 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.519 I really wasn't we weren't covering those musicals otherwise, and I thought like, 319 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.160 oh, sess would look really cute these, you know, because it's a 320 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:15.279 very cute look. And so I'm really interested to see how many people actually 321 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.519 recognize these outfits because you'll see them as they pop up and it's just like, 322 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.160 first of all, Cecily does look adorable in them, but they're also 323 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:29.240 like very much of their period, and so that was really delightful for me 324 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:33.000 to give all those funny Girl and on a clear Day nods just by virtue 325 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.920 of the costumes. And then the one thing that I really wanted to get 326 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:44.039 in this season that I didn't wasn't able to was Ease On Down the Road 327 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.759 from The Whiz, which I love that song so much, it was on 328 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:53.480 my playlist. I sort of had an idea for like how it would work, 329 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:59.640 and we just couldn't find like in the story right in the narrative. 330 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.160 I just like I tried to shoehorn it in one place, but it just 331 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.400 didn't work. Everything so close together in Chicago, like it E's On down 332 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.480 the Road song would last ten seconds because it's like it's like you go around 333 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.519 the corner and you're you're there. So so we weren't able to do that, 334 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:21.200 and it makes me sad because that's such a fun song and also a 335 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.680 nod to the black musicals of this time, right like Pearley in The Whiz. 336 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:30.160 And the idea was it like Keegan and and this ensemble all African American 337 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.680 Osamba would do the song and then Cecily would feel like, I don't feel 338 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.519 like I should be a place to take part in this because she felt very 339 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.599 uncomfortable like seeing but they're all encouraging her, but she says, I just 340 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:52.480 don't and maybe like, yeah, exactly her feeling like oh and so um, 341 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.920 so that was that's my big regret that we weren't able to get that 342 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.359 in somehow. I really appreciate that, again being an edge of cater and 343 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:06.279 music theater, like the way that you're able to also call out things like 344 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:11.160 racism and sexism in this genre and that it's still very prevalent. We still 345 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.559 do all these musicals, but there's a way to be aware of that, 346 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.359 and so I appreciate that too, that there is you know, we're able 347 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.640 to make jokes, we're able to be on this other side of them and 348 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:27.400 sort of looking back and saying that was problematic, like it's not okay that 349 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.440 that was the challenge this season a little bit, because you know, these 350 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:37.480 musicals that we're dealing with were more forward thinking and progressive and reflecting the social 351 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.640 change of the sixties. But one of the ways we found they thought they 352 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.359 were really transgressive, you know, and so you sort of like poke fun 353 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.519 at that, like, oh, this none of this is shocking anymore. 354 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:53.400 And then I did really notice that like all these like male protague white boys 355 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:59.440 searching for the meaning in their life, you know, like such a narcissistic 356 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.799 journey, yes, getting his character when he's like you're a rich white boy, 357 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.799 You're gonna be fine, Like it's fine, Yeah, exactly. This 358 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:12.920 just like it's always a reflection of the people who are writing the shows, 359 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.279 right, and so it's like, yes, are like hero is going to 360 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.599 be this young guy who of course is white, who's like trying to figure 361 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:29.079 out his life. You know, it's like nobody cares. There's a lot 362 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:32.720 more gold met a joke there too with him like trying to start Doorway to 363 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.599 Wear like two more times and I just like gets cut off. Yeah, 364 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:44.640 this is it's not about you to hear that. They do. They do. 365 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.079 They can't say it enough well. And you mentioned this a bit ago 366 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:53.039 about like how sort of prevalent the candor and EBB and the fossy vibes just 367 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.960 are throughout this season. But you do a really good job of incorporating other 368 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.960 things. So you know, in season one you sort of had this illusion 369 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.440 of cohesion kind of with like the costuming and the set, like it all 370 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.640 looked very same. Same with the second season, there's a lot more variety 371 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.640 going on and diversity with the costuming and like even like where different parts of 372 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:18.559 Chicago are look very different. And so I'm wondering since the sort of cohesion 373 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.960 and the uniformity didn't show up in those technical areas this time, Like was 374 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.279 there sort of a guiding principle or like a theme that you all as creators 375 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.359 lashed onto to say, like what Ishmicago and what isn't? If that makes 376 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.240 sense like narratively or thematically, Yeah, I mean it was kindly. That 377 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.319 was something we discussed a lot, like the first week or so of the 378 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.559 writer's room, right, like can we get away with this? Like it's 379 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.640 a problem because I wanted to address all these musicals but they are scattershot, 380 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.519 like Robert and Hammerstein and music Man, they all that all fits together. 381 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.039 They all shake hands and play nice. Yeah, oh for sure, yeah, 382 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.799 but these do not. So But ultimately we said, like, let's 383 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.240 just embrace it. Our audience will make to be along for the ride and 384 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.480 just say like, oh, this is fun and it doesn't have to necessarily 385 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.039 make sense, so we can call it out like Keegan has a line at 386 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:14.039 one point like it's very unclear, like what decades you're going on? Um? 387 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.039 And we decided to just embrace it, and that was kind of the 388 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.119 rule. It was funny, but like a lot of the people in the 389 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.599 sets and the costumes, like they aren't used to that sort of thing, 390 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.599 so they're constantly saying like, but wait, what time period is. It's 391 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.240 like when they're asking for like cars and stuff, and I just say, 392 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.359 like, whatever time period we want it to be. And it was, 393 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:40.119 Yeah, it was just like hard initially. Yeah, but it's just like 394 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:44.440 we basically divided into three sections. So we have sort of the Chicago cabaret, 395 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.079 you know, city life, American big city, and then we've got 396 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:56.039 Victorian England right with like Oliver and Ski, and then we've got the hippies, 397 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.960 right, so we have God's spelled Pippin and hair, Jesus Christ superstar 398 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.119 in that world. And so we just just divided Shmicagan to those three burroughs. 399 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.039 I love it, and then decided to bounce around. And then we 400 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.799 thought, like the real fun is going to be when Josh and Melissa enter 401 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.759 this world and then the world start crossing over, right, and Sally Bowles 402 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:26.200 meets Jesus. What does that mean? And so it was that sort of 403 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:33.559 it's a little like a Marvel cinematic timelines converging. Yeah, it's the musical 404 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:38.759 theater cinematic universe. I'm here for it. So, as I mentioned, 405 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:45.160 you are the creator, writer, songwriter of Shamika Dune, but a lot 406 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.240 of your work is writing for writing for film, like actually writing scripts and 407 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.759 screenplays. And even though I didn't know it, my first exposure to your 408 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.160 work was when I watched the Santa Claus too. But I really came to 409 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.720 know your work when my kids, when we had kids and started watching things 410 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.799 like Horton, Here's a Who, The Lorax, Secret Life of Pets, 411 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.400 and all three of the Despicable Me movies, all of which all of our 412 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.880 kids adore. And yeah, yeah we do too. Of course, of 413 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.200 course they're hilarious. I was always the goal to make it not torture for 414 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.839 parents. Yeah, and so you do most of this with your writing partner 415 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:23.240 Ken Dario and y'all really seem to enjoy writing hilarious and warm family movies. 416 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.720 And I'm just wondering what draws you to create in that genre. I don't 417 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:33.359 know. I mean, we're both pretty wholesome, optimistic family guys, you 418 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.519 know, and I have three kids. Ken has three kids there, but 419 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.480 I think it came from that place. But really my intention was comedy from 420 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.240 the from the get go, and then we sort of got pulled into Horton 421 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:51.920 and that really changed our lives because Chris Meladandre, who ran Fox at the 422 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.960 time and brought us in for Horton, was really happy with us, and 423 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.480 he immediately left to form his own company called Illumination, and he had I 424 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.319 remember we had lunch with me and Kennon said, I'm forming this new company 425 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.480 and how would you like to write all my movies there? And we said, 426 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.319 yeah, that sounds great, and he pitched the idea of a villain 427 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.799 who has to adopt three little girls, and I said, we have to 428 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.880 write this. You know, this is great. And so that's that's really 429 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:25.000 how we got pulled into animation. Initially we were just writing comedies, you 430 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.079 know, and we were there for a long time, but ultimately, you 431 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.000 know, it sort of wore me out. Ken is back doing it. 432 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.960 He actually didn't want to be involved in in Schmigadoon much. He did. 433 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.799 Really, the TV world didn't interest him. It wasn't his thing. So 434 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.519 he's back at Illumination now working there where he's most comfortable, and I was 435 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.839 like, I was ready to do something a little more adult, a little 436 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.039 more mature, you know. I think Schmigadoon is still I don't know PG. 437 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.559 Eleven, PG twelve, Family. I'd say it's in that zone, 438 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.839 but it's just a little more grown up in this icle. Me. Your 439 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:07.119 faith is important to you. You and Ken both both grew up in the 440 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:13.680 Mormon Church, and you have made some incorporated some religious references into your work, 441 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.319 which is something that we also tend to see in ted Lasso. Do 442 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:27.160 you have any particularly favorite spiritual or like church, religiosity, history, Easter 443 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.359 eggs that you have hidden in any of your projects? Um? I mean, 444 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.559 I don't know if they're they're hidden, but it's all there, you 445 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.319 know. For me, it's all about love, right, Like That's the 446 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.920 older I get, the more I feel like this whole life is just make 447 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.599 people feel loved, you know, and that's that's how you define success. 448 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.279 How many people did you make feel loved? And so so there's I really 449 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.599 wanted to, you know, Mildred Layton, Christian's character in season one is 450 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.160 like bad church lady, right, you know, and you know those of 451 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:06.559 us who attend church I've all experienced that woman. I based her very closely 452 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:12.039 to someone I know, but I also really wanted her husband to be like 453 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.319 a good you know Fred Armison's character, like, oh, he's a good 454 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.400 Like I hate when just like religion or Christianity or whatever, it is just 455 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.720 portrayed in one way, you know, as this monolith and it's a very 456 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:29.000 negative the judgmental side, which like is you know, is there. But 457 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.079 I also wanted like to say, Oh, there's this sweet minister and he's 458 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:36.240 going to share something from the scriptures about love. It's going to teach Josh 459 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.279 something about love and how he needs to grow. And so that was like 460 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:45.440 sort of a very earnest moment but was really important to me. And there's 461 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:53.119 there's some subtle like for those who know their Bible and Christianity, Like at 462 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:59.400 the very end of our season, there's some parallels to the Garden of Eden. 463 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:04.640 I would say, um, but it's that's very subtile, but I 464 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.599 was aware of it, and I thought of it in that light, you 465 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.360 know. Um, but I think it's also like ted Lasso, you know, 466 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:16.320 has this very when you call like a Christian way of seeing that it's 467 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:23.079 like a non believing non practicing Christian or just like elevating love as as like 468 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:29.559 the ideal and forgiveness and all those sort of things that I think is why 469 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:35.159 so many people gravitate to it. You know, it's sort of this more 470 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.119 sort of I don't know, call it progressive Christianity, whatever you'd call it, 471 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:44.639 but just like with with Love at the center, Yeah, you could 472 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:50.400 tell that in the bones of the show, there's somebody that grew up high 473 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.440 Church at least one person, because yeah, yeah, there are like enough 474 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:59.800 references both in structure and in substance that like that doesn't hop in backs. 475 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.199 But then at the same time, you're not going to find a lot of 476 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.639 churches having ted Lasso watch parties, and so like maybe that is well, 477 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.519 that's the language, right, that's got a barrier for a lot of the 478 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.440 churchgoers. It would be in my church too, you know, there's like 479 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.760 sure, no, it's it's scary all those affords, So take a dune 480 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.440 where it's safer. We don't have any of those there. One of my 481 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:31.079 favorite overtu like the parable with the Sheep, Oh my gosh, if Sunday 482 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.320 School was like that, I mean I would still go to Sunday School. 483 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:42.280 Yeah, that was That was like Julie Klausner wrote that episode and and I 484 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.880 assigned it to her because I made her watch God's Spell, which she had 485 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:52.440 never seen the movie, and she hated it. She was like torture for 486 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.400 her, where I just I know it's very of its time, but I 487 00:35:54.440 --> 00:36:00.320 find it delightful and really fun still, you know. And and I've seen 488 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.079 many productions of God's Spell and I enjoy them all. I love it. 489 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:08.119 But for her it was just like what is this? This is a nightmare? 490 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.400 So I had her right, like the worst version of a parable they 491 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.079 would, you know, make Keegan's character want to kill himself. We've talked 492 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:22.960 quite a bit about your songwriting and creative process for Schmigadon and Chicago. I'm 493 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.599 just as a fun question if you had the opportunity to score a musical or 494 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.280 maybe a musical number for some of the characters in ted Lasso, Like, 495 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.440 what style or genre or time period do you think you'd be most likely to 496 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.320 draw from or maybe just paint us a picture of where you'd start. Wow? 497 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.559 Yeah, I mean Bill Lawrence and I are Twitter friends now, you 498 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.679 know, and I think he knows that like, if they make Ted Lasso 499 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:52.119 into musical, I'm the one they'd better call because I would I would love 500 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.920 to do that. I mean, I feel like it's music Man, you 501 00:36:53.960 --> 00:37:00.159 know. I think that would be the palette for the music somehow. Now 502 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.320 I feel like it's just like it has that earnestness and that you know, 503 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:10.039 and Ted has those small iowa those values you know, and so it feels 504 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:16.280 like it would be the music. Maybe it's like music Man enters, like 505 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.119 what British musical, but it wouldn't be like Phantom or any of those. 506 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.880 It would be like Oliver. There we go, the music Man crossed with 507 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.400 Oliver. That would be the heart of it, right because the team is 508 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:37.440 like all the Oliver's was like Fagins, Fagans, Little Boys. Yeah, 509 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:42.639 there we go. I know that Brett is a huge fan of the show 510 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.400 Scrubs also a Bill Lawrence show, and Scrubs has the very famous musical episode, 511 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.199 and so yeah, there's always been this deeplonging for a Ted Lasso musical 512 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.280 episode, which we've like seen no like heard no smoke around, so we're 513 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.400 not really like holding our breaths that that's going to happen. But we can 514 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.719 dare to dream. Yeah, yeah, I'm just putting it out there. 515 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.880 Yeah, I'll be great your lips to God's ears. Yeah, you have 516 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.159 to ask your question that you have here that you've been dying to ask. 517 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.039 Oh no, it's okay. No, I want you to please do it 518 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.440 for me, for you, yes, do it for your wife. Okay, 519 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.880 I'm obligeted to do this because Marris asked me too. Obviously, you 520 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.320 can't reveal anything. I don't even know if we have any news about a 521 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.639 potential season three or what's happening. Obviously, I am like hoping and praying 522 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.199 for one because I want this to run for as long as possible. But 523 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.320 um, if I were to right now just like call or suggest Leishmiz as 524 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:43.920 like the third season's name, Like, if that comes to pass, could 525 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.360 you just name a random character after one of us, just as a like 526 00:38:46.440 --> 00:39:00.239 anage to this conversation. Suret subtle? Yeah, so be on the look 527 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:06.199 out. Okay, Season three laish Viz the lead character Brett val Brett played 528 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.000 by arn Oh well yeah yeah, I would actually pass away, but so 529 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:14.800 I wouldn't get to see it, but at least I could maybe see it 530 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.960 from the Afterlife. Yeah yeah, well, Sinko, thank you so much 531 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.440 for your time. This has been so much fun. Obviously, we want 532 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:28.760 everyone to go and check out Schmiga Dune season two, Akash Michago, tell 533 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.960 your music theater loving friends and even those who don't, because as we've seen, 534 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:36.159 even even the Josh's can learn to love Schmiga Dune. So true. 535 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.199 Yes, thank you so much for having me. It's been a blast great 536 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:50.519 thanks, take care all right, howe bye and that's our show. We 537 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.079 had a blast chatting with Sinko Paul about ted Lasso and Schmiga Dune. You 538 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:59.320 can find links to Sinko social media, the trailers for Schmiga Dune and Schicago, 539 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.719 as well as everything else we discussed in the show notes for this episode 540 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.119 on our website at ted lassopod dot com. 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All right, y'all, 550 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.159 I'm Brett signing off for Christian, Marissa, and sinco Paul. Thanks for 551 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.079 listening. Until next time, Cheers y'all,