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You're listening to kf I AM sixty
on demand. Marcella. Welcome to the

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Jesus Christ Show. Good morning,
Thank you for having me my pleasure of

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Marcella. What's on your mind?
Well, I actually was just keepping through

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stations and came across your station.
So first of all, I just want

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to know what it is that you
preach. You know, I know Christianity

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is getting watered down a lot in
this nation, so I just want to

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understand where you're coming from. And
then I just want to follow up with

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the question that Dorsey asked. Okay, this, as far as this program

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goes, the content is scripturally based
and the primary focus of the program is

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from an apologetic and philosophical stance on
traditional mainstream Christianity, non denominationally. Okay,

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all right, Um, So then
with my question with Dorothy, unless

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I misunderstood you, he was asking
like why Christians are like allowing the rainbow

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to be used pervertedly? And I'm
not sure you really answered his question because

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there are Christians who are not allowing
it to be used that way, and

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you know, it becomes why do
Christians have a right to say how the

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rainbow flag or rainbow, anything can
be used. You think that you own

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it or Christianity owns the rainbow because
they have a scripture that says so in

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Genesis. It's not about owning it. It's about spreading the truth of what

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scripture says. Because we are not
of this earth, we're here to write.

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What about what about someone else's faith? Marcella, excuse me? If

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people are in darkness, we are
supposed to, you know, shine the

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light and lead the weight. And
that doesn't involve hating people. Marcella,

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do you believe that? Do you
believe that scientology it coincides with scripture?

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Um? No, I don't,
but I do know that it has gotten

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some of its beliefs from scripture.
But I don't. Okay, So you

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don't think that so that actually leads
somebody down a false path by your definition

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of these things. Yet they have
of the Cross on the top of their

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buildings. And you won't hear mainstream
Christianity going over and being upset about somebody

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who's teaching potentially false teachings that will
actually lead them to eternal damnation by scripture

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standard Christian scripture standard. But yet
Americans will go towards whether a rainbow flag

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is owned by them. The misplate, the misplacement of this, And my

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biggest concern is that Christianity and Conservatism
in the United States are blurring the lines

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of which is which. Politics have
become such a huge part of Christianity that

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it is the modern day Golden Calf. It is taking people away from the

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truth of Scripture and using it to
look towards politics, conservative politics in particular.

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And I assure you God is not
a Republican, and God is not

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a Democrat, and God is not
an American. So in the United States,

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Marcella, you can be guided as
a Christian by the Bible, but

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the country is not. The country
is guided by the Constitution of the United

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States, and so they don't.
I'm saying that you're making a point that

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Christians hate the gay community, and
it's not true, and I'm not understanding

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where you're getting that from. And
Christians are quick to be open and speak

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about any thing that goes against the
Bible, including scientology. So you know,

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I have friends and relatives that are
part of the community and I love

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them very much, So I don't
understand where you're hearing this. And the

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majority actually all the persons I know
don't feel the way that you are representing

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them. And I believe that they
say that, but I don't To say

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that they can't use a rainbow flag
and to say that they have perverted the

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rainbow flag is ridiculous. Well,
maybe we're talking about two separate issues.

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Then maybe it's not the rainbow flag, but it's the rainbow they've perverted.

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They've perverted the promise of God,
and they've taken that symbol and used it

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for a perversion. And the perversion
is a sinful lifestyle. It's not a

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lifestyle box and domes. And we
know God is a righteous God, and

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He has called us to live holy
and separate from this world. And giving

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into that style is living in this
world. Okay, Well, if you're

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going to say that there is a
reference to abomination on how about gossip?

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Do you think that if gossipers used
the rainbow flag, you'd be upset if

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gossipers use the rainbow flag? Would
you be upset if anyone uses what God

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has ordained us holy and perverts it, Yes, I would be upset.

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God did not make the rainbow holy. The rainbow is not holy in the

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Christian in the Christian in faith it
is holy, but to other faiths it's

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not. Now, I realize that
there is a desire to make things,

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to own things, but I genuinely
don't think that there was any intent to

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make the cross holy, to make
Echthus or the fish holy, or any

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of those things. That's humanity.
Humanity wants to make things holy and special.

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They think if you go to Israel, it's going to be more special

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than it is to be anywhere else. As if God only lives one place

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and is another's. Humanity makes things
different. Humanity makes things up, Marcella,

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to make them feel better and to
connect. God doesn't make stuff holy,

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people or holy. So the churches
are not holy, their churches,

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their building. What from God is
holy? Then if God spirit, the

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spirit is holy, there's no ground
that is holy, because you know why,

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because humans worship it. They'll worship
anything if they think that, oh,

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this is holy, what is truly
holy? And what was was the

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holy of holies and things like that
that don't exist anymore in that sense,

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and that was for a particular time. My point is, Marcella, is

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that Christians are focusing on things rather
than spirituality. The teaching of Scripture and

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the things that are. I mean, even a Bible is not holy,

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the words in it are. But
Christians get offended by anything and this world

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it means nothing, nothing, and
then they try and make it out is

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if anybody that points out hey throughout
Scripture, it says to be set apart,

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you are to be set apart from
the world. But there are people

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that don't believe the same way you
do. And in the United States they

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get to do whatever based on their
belief system. But oftentimes Christians believe that

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their thoughts should be everyone's thoughts.
But in the United States, it's the

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freedom of religion, it's the freedom
of ideas, and to try and cut

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people off from that makes you a
bad American. You should be thrilled that

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people are loved and have their ability
to have their own ideas in the United

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States, because that's one of the
reasons, one of the main reasons there

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was a revolutionary war. Yes there
were taxes and all of that involved as

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well, but to be able to
have this freedom. But Christians tend to

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be the type of thing. I
want religious freedom for Christianity, but you

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wouldn't say you want religious freedom for
the Church of Satan, but that's a

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religion, that's a belief system,
and in the United States has to be

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part of it. Christians say they
should be prayer in school, Okay,

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Muslim prayers, Jewish prayers, Pagan
prayers. No, you want your representation,

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and I assure you there are others
that you're not complaining about. I

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don't hear people clamoring to skittles saying
I can't believe you're telling them to eat

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the rainbow given as a signed by
God and you're making it something you're going

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to masticate and then defecate. You
don't own it. Hold the promise,

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love the promise. Don't be ridiculous
because it makes Christianity sound ridiculous. I

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call more than anything else on this
program that has been around for over two

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decades, I call for you to
be introspective, not just the teachings that

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you've heard over and over and over
again, but to be introspective as to

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why, why would this be?
Why? And this is new, by

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the way, more new than ever
before. If you hadn't heard or last

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segment the concept of the LGBTQ plus
parts of your community absconding with the rainbow

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and using it on their flag and
Christians now being upset. That's fairly new.

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I mean, it's happened before,
but it is coming into a new

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light. And although yes, kids
and people have been wearing the rainbow for

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a long time, it really is
a thing of beauty because it's about inclusion.

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And in the case of the promise
in scripture, you have to understand

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it was a promise to the world
that God wouldn't flood the planet again.

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It wasn't a promise to Christians because
the world was not made up of only

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Christians. The world wasn't going to
be only Christians. God didn't say I'm

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going to not do that for you
guys only. It will only flood in

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other places. And I see it
being lost in what these things truly mean.

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And you hear people getting upset.
But okay, there are Christians that

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get circumstised, and there's Christians that
don't get circumstised. They're not under the

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first promise in the same way either. But American Christians look for reasons to

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push people away or to use it
as if it is their right to demand

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the United States to play by their
rules, even though there are multiple different

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belief systems in the United States.
For that, I want you to think.

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For that, I want you to
understand. For that, I want

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you to see how you change things
based on what your political beliefs are rather

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than what your scriptural and faith based
beliefs are. Bill, Welcome to the

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Jesus Christ Show. Oh hello Jesus. Hi, Bill, you know I

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have a question. Okay, the
mind is a little perplexing. It's something

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that it just doesn't seem to jib. We are told in the Bible that

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we have free will to do what
we wish, good or bad. But

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by the same token, we are
told, but God has a plan for

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us. Well, if God has
a plan for us of what we should

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do and where we're going to be, but yet we have free will that

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could mess up that plan any time
along. How does it all work out?

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Well? Bill, do you have
children? Yes? I do.

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Did you have hopes, desires,
plans for them? I wish them the

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very best That I do have plans
and desires, and they are grown and

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they are fulfilling those. Both of
those are quite fine people, well wonderful.

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So you did your job, but
they still had free will. But

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what you did was you made sure
they had the tools. You built a

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tool belt for them, and you
did your best best as a parent to

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equip them with the tools they'll need
in any situation. But they still had

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to use those tools and choose by
themselves how to use them and when to

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use them. Correct. Oh,
I see so I yes, I understand

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that. Okay, So I don't
always agree with what they have, Josh,

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Well, nor does God, I
assure you. But think of it

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this way, Bill. A lot
of people don't understand prayer. Christians are

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constantly asking me about prayer and how
does it work, And a lot of

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Christians use it as if God is
a cosmic bellhop and they're going to pray

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something and God's going to go,
sure, I'll go get that for you.

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And that's not how it works.
When you're with a child in the

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grocery store, for instance, the
child is sitting there in the cart,

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going, Daddy, I want this, Daddy, I want that. That's

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the child's prayer, and then the
adult has to look around and say,

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I know you want that, but
there's something better for you. We're not

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just going to buy sugar retreats,
because that's not good for your stomach.

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It's not good for your body.
You need more nutrients than that, So

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we're going to do this. The
prayer is not your way of guiding God

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as to what you want. Prayer
is God's way of allowing you to ask

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for something and God to correct it, to teach you what God wants for

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you, the same as a parent
guides the child to say, I get

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you want that, and we will
have it on special occasions, but I

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want this for you because it's best
for you. Now. Those things work

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together perfectly, actually, because one
you start tuning your spirit into what God

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wants for you by asking things and
God saying no, yes, maybe or

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later. But that's how you build
that relationship. So yes, all options.

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The plan is already built. This
is the plan, the path I

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have for you. But people will
go in and out of it throughout their

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life, and some leave the path
altogether and leave the faith. And that's

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that their free will wins out.
God doesn't force anybody down that path,

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because that's not true love that they
can't force somebody to do something. You

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know, when somebody comes home to
you at the end of the night,

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it's because they want to be there, hopefully, and not because they have

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to be there. So it's the
balance of those things that really make the

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relationship between God and man, the
dance and the beauty of understanding, learning

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and choosing right. Thank you.
Your analogy of a parent and child helps

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me put the by relationship with God. It's a perspective. And I appreciate

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that. That was very wise and
thank you. Oh well, I appreciate

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you taking the call the time to
call Bill. That's very nice of you

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to say, and I wish you
the best it oftentimes you can see the

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relationship between God and humankind with parents
and children. The entirety of scripture,

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and most people don't think of it
this way, but the entirety of scripture

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is really about relationships. And it's
even the Ten Commandments, if you split

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them almost in half, half are
basically about your relationship with God and then

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half are about your relationship with humankind. And really everything in scripture is pointing

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towards our relationship with God, right
and as a human, you have to

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have that relationship with God to guide
your path. If you look at the

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entirety of scripture and you think,
because a lot of people go, gosh,

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that Old Testament or what Christians refer
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Old Testament sure is a mean God, and then it changes. I remind

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them to look at it as the
lifespan of a child, because a child

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is more directed early on, don't
touch that, don't do this, don't

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do that, all of those things
at the beginning. And then slowly as

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the child grows and understands and has
logic and reason and understands things, is

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where you start to talk to that
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And that's what the entire year of
Scripture is. So it starts as an

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infant, the world, the planet, the children in it starts as an

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infant, and you could see God
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people into shape and focused, and
then slowly gets more towards the analytical,

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the conversational, the logical, the
reasonable, just like you would with a

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child. And if you look at
that, and when you see those things,

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you get a better grasp of what
God's trying to teach. Always that

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parental and child relationship. You know, our time is limited here on the

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program and in life as well,
and learning and understanding what is important in

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faith versus what is important in your
other beliefs, your political beliefs, and

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your understanding of your own nation.
I know it creeps Americans out to think

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that I am not an American.
I'm not bound by the Constitution, but

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as a Christian American, you are
bound by both. People want to make

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me basically what they are and kind
of make me a bigger version of them,

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rather than understanding. I don't belong
to any political party. I'm not

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Republican, I'm not a Democrat.
I'm not part of the Green Party.

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I'm not a Libertarian. I am
outside of your political system. Another thing

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that Christians, especially in America,
don't get right is the judgment part and

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what they're supposed to be doing who
they're supposed to be judging. First Corinthians

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five twelve makes it fairly simple that
your goal is not to judge outsiders,

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non believers. It says, for
what business of mine is it to judge

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outsiders? Do not judge those who
are within the church. Do you not

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judge those who are in the church. This says you're called as a Christian

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to judge the people in your church, to judge the people who are Christians.

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That is your job. It is
none of your business. To judge

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outsiders. They don't believe what you
believe. It's the equivalent of you,

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as an American being concerned about the
speed limits of other countries. They don't

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adhere to your laws. They are
not Americans. It's like the reference to

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people in Europe driving on the wrong
side of the road says, who maybe

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you are? Or people in Europe
while they have interesting accents, well so

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do you. You have an accent
to them. You don't hear it when

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you're in the United States, and
people in their destinative where they live and

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breathe in Europe don't think that they
have accents you do. It's a very

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interesting thing that happens with Americans,
the assumption that everything revolves around you,

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and Christians in the United States tend
to be even worse about it, to

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truly believe that your beliefs should be
thrusted upon everybody. But again, the

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Christian is guided by scripture. Americans
are guided by the Constitution. Christian Americans

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are guided by both. You can't
outlaw what you think is a sin.

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You can't outlaw things that are just
from a Christian point of view, because

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the Constitution is the document that guides
the United States. Try not to forget

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that the Christian community has pushed out
a lot of people that want and need

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God because they've made it about what
they believe rather than what they're called to.

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In Scripture, you're called to be
a light. You're called to be

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inclusive. You're called to help change
hearts through prayer and connection and answering.

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Giving an answer when someone asks you, not just shoving it down their throat,

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but giving an answer to them when
they ask about the hope that lies

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within you. That is the power
of Scripture. Have a wonderful, wonderful

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remainder of your Sunday, and we
always remember these simple words, outside of

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all the craziness, outside of the
pain or whatever is going on in your

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country, I am with you always, KF I am six forty on demand

