You're listening to kf I AM sixty on demand. Marcella. Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Good morning, Thank you for having me my pleasure of
Marcella. What's on your mind? Well, I actually was just keepping through
stations and came across your station. So first of all, I just want
to know what it is that you preach. You know, I know Christianity
is getting watered down a lot in this nation, so I just want to
understand where you're coming from. And then I just want to follow up with
the question that Dorsey asked. Okay, this, as far as this program
goes, the content is scripturally based and the primary focus of the program is
from an apologetic and philosophical stance on traditional mainstream Christianity, non denominationally. Okay,
all right, Um, So then with my question with Dorothy, unless
I misunderstood you, he was asking like why Christians are like allowing the rainbow
to be used pervertedly? And I'm not sure you really answered his question because
there are Christians who are not allowing it to be used that way, and
you know, it becomes why do Christians have a right to say how the
rainbow flag or rainbow, anything can be used. You think that you own
it or Christianity owns the rainbow because they have a scripture that says so in
Genesis. It's not about owning it. It's about spreading the truth of what
scripture says. Because we are not of this earth, we're here to write.
What about what about someone else's faith? Marcella, excuse me? If
people are in darkness, we are supposed to, you know, shine the
light and lead the weight. And that doesn't involve hating people. Marcella,
do you believe that? Do you believe that scientology it coincides with scripture?
Um? No, I don't, but I do know that it has gotten
some of its beliefs from scripture. But I don't. Okay, So you
don't think that so that actually leads somebody down a false path by your definition
of these things. Yet they have of the Cross on the top of their
buildings. And you won't hear mainstream Christianity going over and being upset about somebody
who's teaching potentially false teachings that will actually lead them to eternal damnation by scripture
standard Christian scripture standard. But yet Americans will go towards whether a rainbow flag
is owned by them. The misplate, the misplacement of this, And my
biggest concern is that Christianity and Conservatism in the United States are blurring the lines
of which is which. Politics have become such a huge part of Christianity that
it is the modern day Golden Calf. It is taking people away from the
truth of Scripture and using it to look towards politics, conservative politics in particular.
And I assure you God is not a Republican, and God is not
a Democrat, and God is not an American. So in the United States,
Marcella, you can be guided as a Christian by the Bible, but
the country is not. The country is guided by the Constitution of the United
States, and so they don't. I'm saying that you're making a point that
Christians hate the gay community, and it's not true, and I'm not understanding
where you're getting that from. And Christians are quick to be open and speak
about any thing that goes against the Bible, including scientology. So you know,
I have friends and relatives that are part of the community and I love
them very much, So I don't understand where you're hearing this. And the
majority actually all the persons I know don't feel the way that you are representing
them. And I believe that they say that, but I don't To say
that they can't use a rainbow flag and to say that they have perverted the
rainbow flag is ridiculous. Well, maybe we're talking about two separate issues.
Then maybe it's not the rainbow flag, but it's the rainbow they've perverted.
They've perverted the promise of God, and they've taken that symbol and used it
for a perversion. And the perversion is a sinful lifestyle. It's not a
lifestyle box and domes. And we know God is a righteous God, and
He has called us to live holy and separate from this world. And giving
into that style is living in this world. Okay, Well, if you're
going to say that there is a reference to abomination on how about gossip?
Do you think that if gossipers used the rainbow flag, you'd be upset if
gossipers use the rainbow flag? Would you be upset if anyone uses what God
has ordained us holy and perverts it, Yes, I would be upset.
God did not make the rainbow holy. The rainbow is not holy in the
Christian in the Christian in faith it is holy, but to other faiths it's
not. Now, I realize that there is a desire to make things,
to own things, but I genuinely don't think that there was any intent to
make the cross holy, to make Echthus or the fish holy, or any
of those things. That's humanity. Humanity wants to make things holy and special.
They think if you go to Israel, it's going to be more special
than it is to be anywhere else. As if God only lives one place
and is another's. Humanity makes things different. Humanity makes things up, Marcella,
to make them feel better and to connect. God doesn't make stuff holy,
people or holy. So the churches are not holy, their churches,
their building. What from God is holy? Then if God spirit, the
spirit is holy, there's no ground that is holy, because you know why,
because humans worship it. They'll worship anything if they think that, oh,
this is holy, what is truly holy? And what was was the
holy of holies and things like that that don't exist anymore in that sense,
and that was for a particular time. My point is, Marcella, is
that Christians are focusing on things rather than spirituality. The teaching of Scripture and
the things that are. I mean, even a Bible is not holy,
the words in it are. But Christians get offended by anything and this world
it means nothing, nothing, and then they try and make it out is
if anybody that points out hey throughout Scripture, it says to be set apart,
you are to be set apart from the world. But there are people
that don't believe the same way you do. And in the United States they
get to do whatever based on their belief system. But oftentimes Christians believe that
their thoughts should be everyone's thoughts. But in the United States, it's the
freedom of religion, it's the freedom of ideas, and to try and cut
people off from that makes you a bad American. You should be thrilled that
people are loved and have their ability to have their own ideas in the United
States, because that's one of the reasons, one of the main reasons there
was a revolutionary war. Yes there were taxes and all of that involved as
well, but to be able to have this freedom. But Christians tend to
be the type of thing. I want religious freedom for Christianity, but you
wouldn't say you want religious freedom for the Church of Satan, but that's a
religion, that's a belief system, and in the United States has to be
part of it. Christians say they should be prayer in school, Okay,
Muslim prayers, Jewish prayers, Pagan prayers. No, you want your representation,
and I assure you there are others that you're not complaining about. I
don't hear people clamoring to skittles saying I can't believe you're telling them to eat
the rainbow given as a signed by God and you're making it something you're going
to masticate and then defecate. You don't own it. Hold the promise,
love the promise. Don't be ridiculous because it makes Christianity sound ridiculous. I
call more than anything else on this program that has been around for over two
decades, I call for you to be introspective, not just the teachings that
you've heard over and over and over again, but to be introspective as to
why, why would this be? Why? And this is new, by
the way, more new than ever before. If you hadn't heard or last
segment the concept of the LGBTQ plus parts of your community absconding with the rainbow
and using it on their flag and Christians now being upset. That's fairly new.
I mean, it's happened before, but it is coming into a new
light. And although yes, kids and people have been wearing the rainbow for
a long time, it really is a thing of beauty because it's about inclusion.
And in the case of the promise in scripture, you have to understand
it was a promise to the world that God wouldn't flood the planet again.
It wasn't a promise to Christians because the world was not made up of only
Christians. The world wasn't going to be only Christians. God didn't say I'm
going to not do that for you guys only. It will only flood in
other places. And I see it being lost in what these things truly mean.
And you hear people getting upset. But okay, there are Christians that
get circumstised, and there's Christians that don't get circumstised. They're not under the
first promise in the same way either. But American Christians look for reasons to
push people away or to use it as if it is their right to demand
the United States to play by their rules, even though there are multiple different
belief systems in the United States. For that, I want you to think.
For that, I want you to understand. For that, I want
you to see how you change things based on what your political beliefs are rather
than what your scriptural and faith based beliefs are. Bill, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Oh hello Jesus. Hi, Bill, you know I
have a question. Okay, the mind is a little perplexing. It's something
that it just doesn't seem to jib. We are told in the Bible that
we have free will to do what we wish, good or bad. But
by the same token, we are told, but God has a plan for
us. Well, if God has a plan for us of what we should
do and where we're going to be, but yet we have free will that
could mess up that plan any time along. How does it all work out?
Well? Bill, do you have children? Yes? I do.
Did you have hopes, desires, plans for them? I wish them the
very best That I do have plans and desires, and they are grown and
they are fulfilling those. Both of those are quite fine people, well wonderful.
So you did your job, but they still had free will. But
what you did was you made sure they had the tools. You built a
tool belt for them, and you did your best best as a parent to
equip them with the tools they'll need in any situation. But they still had
to use those tools and choose by themselves how to use them and when to
use them. Correct. Oh, I see so I yes, I understand
that. Okay, So I don't always agree with what they have, Josh,
Well, nor does God, I assure you. But think of it
this way, Bill. A lot of people don't understand prayer. Christians are
constantly asking me about prayer and how does it work, And a lot of
Christians use it as if God is a cosmic bellhop and they're going to pray
something and God's going to go, sure, I'll go get that for you.
And that's not how it works. When you're with a child in the
grocery store, for instance, the child is sitting there in the cart,
going, Daddy, I want this, Daddy, I want that. That's
the child's prayer, and then the adult has to look around and say,
I know you want that, but there's something better for you. We're not
just going to buy sugar retreats, because that's not good for your stomach.
It's not good for your body. You need more nutrients than that, So
we're going to do this. The prayer is not your way of guiding God
as to what you want. Prayer is God's way of allowing you to ask
for something and God to correct it, to teach you what God wants for
you, the same as a parent guides the child to say, I get
you want that, and we will have it on special occasions, but I
want this for you because it's best for you. Now. Those things work
together perfectly, actually, because one you start tuning your spirit into what God
wants for you by asking things and God saying no, yes, maybe or
later. But that's how you build that relationship. So yes, all options.
The plan is already built. This is the plan, the path I
have for you. But people will go in and out of it throughout their
life, and some leave the path altogether and leave the faith. And that's
that their free will wins out. God doesn't force anybody down that path,
because that's not true love that they can't force somebody to do something. You
know, when somebody comes home to you at the end of the night,
it's because they want to be there, hopefully, and not because they have
to be there. So it's the balance of those things that really make the
relationship between God and man, the dance and the beauty of understanding, learning
and choosing right. Thank you. Your analogy of a parent and child helps
me put the by relationship with God. It's a perspective. And I appreciate
that. That was very wise and thank you. Oh well, I appreciate
you taking the call the time to call Bill. That's very nice of you
to say, and I wish you the best it oftentimes you can see the
relationship between God and humankind with parents and children. The entirety of scripture,
and most people don't think of it this way, but the entirety of scripture
is really about relationships. And it's even the Ten Commandments, if you split
them almost in half, half are basically about your relationship with God and then
half are about your relationship with humankind. And really everything in scripture is pointing
towards our relationship with God, right and as a human, you have to
have that relationship with God to guide your path. If you look at the
entirety of scripture and you think, because a lot of people go, gosh,
that Old Testament or what Christians refer to as the Old Testament. That
Old Testament sure is a mean God, and then it changes. I remind
them to look at it as the lifespan of a child, because a child
is more directed early on, don't touch that, don't do this, don't
do that, all of those things at the beginning. And then slowly as
the child grows and understands and has logic and reason and understands things, is
where you start to talk to that child and allow them more decision making.
And that's what the entire year of Scripture is. So it starts as an
infant, the world, the planet, the children in it starts as an
infant, and you could see God a little more stern and focused on getting
people into shape and focused, and then slowly gets more towards the analytical,
the conversational, the logical, the reasonable, just like you would with a
child. And if you look at that, and when you see those things,
you get a better grasp of what God's trying to teach. Always that
parental and child relationship. You know, our time is limited here on the
program and in life as well, and learning and understanding what is important in
faith versus what is important in your other beliefs, your political beliefs, and
your understanding of your own nation. I know it creeps Americans out to think
that I am not an American. I'm not bound by the Constitution, but
as a Christian American, you are bound by both. People want to make
me basically what they are and kind of make me a bigger version of them,
rather than understanding. I don't belong to any political party. I'm not
Republican, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not part of the Green Party.
I'm not a Libertarian. I am outside of your political system. Another thing
that Christians, especially in America, don't get right is the judgment part and
what they're supposed to be doing who they're supposed to be judging. First Corinthians
five twelve makes it fairly simple that your goal is not to judge outsiders,
non believers. It says, for what business of mine is it to judge
outsiders? Do not judge those who are within the church. Do you not
judge those who are in the church. This says you're called as a Christian
to judge the people in your church, to judge the people who are Christians.
That is your job. It is none of your business. To judge
outsiders. They don't believe what you believe. It's the equivalent of you,
as an American being concerned about the speed limits of other countries. They don't
adhere to your laws. They are not Americans. It's like the reference to
people in Europe driving on the wrong side of the road says, who maybe
you are? Or people in Europe while they have interesting accents, well so
do you. You have an accent to them. You don't hear it when
you're in the United States, and people in their destinative where they live and
breathe in Europe don't think that they have accents you do. It's a very
interesting thing that happens with Americans, the assumption that everything revolves around you,
and Christians in the United States tend to be even worse about it, to
truly believe that your beliefs should be thrusted upon everybody. But again, the
Christian is guided by scripture. Americans are guided by the Constitution. Christian Americans
are guided by both. You can't outlaw what you think is a sin.
You can't outlaw things that are just from a Christian point of view, because
the Constitution is the document that guides the United States. Try not to forget
that the Christian community has pushed out a lot of people that want and need
God because they've made it about what they believe rather than what they're called to.
In Scripture, you're called to be a light. You're called to be
inclusive. You're called to help change hearts through prayer and connection and answering.
Giving an answer when someone asks you, not just shoving it down their throat,
but giving an answer to them when they ask about the hope that lies
within you. That is the power of Scripture. Have a wonderful, wonderful
remainder of your Sunday, and we always remember these simple words, outside of
all the craziness, outside of the pain or whatever is going on in your
country, I am with you always, KF I am six forty on demand