WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.320 You. Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street, Window dot Com and listeners 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:17.239 like you now June six, twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that thing 3 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.879 we call a calendar, and this is the show you're looking for. How 4 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.879 do I know that? Because if you're not looking for the Ocelli Effect, 5 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.199 you ain't fine on the Ocelli Effect. So welcome to it now. I 6 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:31.519 know most of you are catching this further on down the stream via your final 7 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:35.920 slab of choice, your apical black application, podcatcher, to your whatever, 8 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:38.840 so you could be listening to this at any time, in any place, 9 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:41.679 etcetera, etcetera, no matter who you are, where you are when you 10 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.799 are, welcome to it. So tears Day, the second broadcast day of 11 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:51.359 the week for the network, and again going after different types of guests this 12 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.000 time. All right, I was getting a little bored with some of the 13 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:58.240 people I had on, and I think you guys were too. Um, 14 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.479 We're gonna actually revisit a time topic here tonight, and we're gonna do this 15 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:07.280 with a fascinating individual that I think has an interesting energy level if nothing else. 16 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:11.799 Okay, now there's a lot more to offer here, but I'm gonna 17 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.400 let her explain that to you. Her name is Diamond dripp. Okay, 18 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:19.599 now, Diamond drip No, I didn't stutter. That's what it sounds like. 19 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.400 I don't know where the name came from. Maybe i'll get into that. 20 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.319 Ask her where that came from. I'm thinking that's not on her birth 21 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.640 certificate. But we all know about how the legal fiction works and all that 22 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.799 good stuff. Who cares you call yourself what you want to anyway, what 23 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.400 are we talking about a couple of years ago. If you're a long time 24 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:44.640 listener, you certainly know that I did a long series on what really saved 25 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.959 my life. Let's be blunt. I felt like I was being destroyed by 26 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.200 the PTSD, which I had carried for decades and well, you know, 27 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.920 just shot in the dark experimentation. After reading about it, I said to 28 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.400 myself, psilocybin would be a good thing. I announced that on air. 29 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.719 I told other people, and suddenly people that wanted me to be well gifted 30 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:15.039 me with psilocybin and made sure that I had a fairly copious amount of it. 31 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.280 Now, I don't give amounts, I don't give suggestions. Nothing I'm 32 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.759 about to say or my guest is about to say, should be qualified as 33 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:28.000 medical advice. But even the military today is looking at how can we help 34 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.800 people with this stuff? Now I describe PTSD, But of course there are 35 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:36.719 studies out there, there are efforts, there are individuals who are proclaiming that 36 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.680 this stuff and this is not new by the way, it's just newly getting 37 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.319 attention in our current age that there were people saying, you know, this 38 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:49.879 stuff which does come from the earth, which is a naturally occurring thing, 39 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:57.759 it might provide possibilities of repair for individuals who might have suffered damage one way 40 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.599 or another, as in my experience. If you don't recall it, you 41 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:06.240 don't know about the psilocybin series that I did. It's still archived on the 42 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.759 website. I'm thinking about rereleasing it again because a lot of people were listening 43 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:14.240 to it on YouTube and we don't have that channel anymore. But look all 44 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.400 of my pronouncements, and I know I went to air about ten minutes late 45 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.280 on the live stream, But if you're here in the podcast, you don't 46 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.120 care. But the podcast still exists out there. They are still up on 47 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.560 my site, they're in a few other places. I've tried to make sure 48 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.479 that that information stays out there, but I may have to put it out 49 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:36.560 again because my guest is going to talk about it, and I don't think 50 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.599 she was going through PTSD. I got a different idea about her story, 51 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.319 but I'm not gonna tell it to you. I'm gonna let her do that 52 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.400 anyway, Diamond Drip. I know it's an unorthodox introduction, and I want 53 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.719 you to tell people about what it is you do, what it is you 54 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.800 discovered, all that good stuff. But before we go anywhere there, how 55 00:03:53.759 --> 00:04:00.319 are you doing tonight? Hey? Thank you so much. It is such 56 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:05.000 an honor to be in this container with you right now. I'm doing amazing. 57 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:10.479 How are you amazing? See, I don't hear many people say how 58 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.840 you doing amazing? That's not usually the response I get. Uh you Again, 59 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:17.639 It's gonna be a unique kind of energy. We don't get this sort 60 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:23.120 of energy on this show very often. So I'm I'm I'm a moody s 61 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.839 ob so uh and and I seem to have spread that among the people that 62 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.240 I speak to. It happens, um, But you're you're unique. You 63 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.879 have a very positive outlook. Um. I had an off air discussion with 64 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.800 you, a brief one and Uh, it was. It was really interesting. 65 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.480 So let's first tell people where they can go and take a look at 66 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.079 you online, and then let's get into your story. I mean, like 67 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.839 I said, I might want to know how it is the name Diamond Drip 68 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:53.680 comes about. I might want to know a little bit about your background, 69 00:04:53.800 --> 00:05:00.959 your past before discovering, well, the gift that is psilocybin. I might 70 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.439 want to know about all that. So let's let's get into it. First, 71 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:09.199 tell them where they can find your stuff and how they can become educated 72 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:15.879 via your particular shingle on the worldwide Web. Yeah, thank you, so 73 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:21.519 my name honestly anything that you ever want to find me on I have branded 74 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:28.160 with Diamond Drip. My favorite place to connect with people is actually on LinkedIn, 75 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:34.720 and I do a great bit of education about psilocybin on LinkedIn. That's 76 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.839 strange. I wouldn't have thought that LinkedIn would be a primary place for it. 77 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:42.759 But cool, all right, So look for Diamond Drip anywhere, but 78 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.800 LinkedIn might be your preferred way if people wanted to get in touch with you 79 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.319 directly. So yes, I'm always checking LinkedIn every day. You can also 80 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:58.439 find all of my other contexts on my direct website Diamond Drip consulting dot com 81 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.439 Diamond Drip consulting. So now we get the word consulting in there on the 82 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:05.519 dot com. So maybe tell people a little bit about that. What do 83 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:12.600 you consult people about? Yeah, so I like to describe what I do 84 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.480 by I'm describing why I do it. So when it comes to business advising, 85 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:24.839 I support solopreneurs who have that gift, but they lack the systems and 86 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:29.120 structures to really scale their business to the next level. So they don't know 87 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.040 much about like marketing funnels. They maybe never went to a tech class that 88 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.480 showed them how to build a website, and so I consult with them on 89 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:44.519 visual communications, digital strategy, and also self care because as solopreneurs, a 90 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.040 big part of who we are shows up in our business. And if we're 91 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:53.279 not feeling great mentally and we're not taking care of ourselves, then that's going 92 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.519 to show up in our business. So I, you know, I talk 93 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.920 with people if they have things going on with them, they can use the 94 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:05.040 whole entire session like a therapy session they want to. Okay, so about 95 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:10.879 the whole person, not just as an entrepreneur. You're using the word solopreneur. 96 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.879 So I guess what you're saying is you advise people about the best way 97 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.600 forward when it comes to being a one man gang, so to speak, 98 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:23.399 in their own business where they're building a business from. I guess from the 99 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.680 ground up usually, or do you get people that are sort of in intermediate 100 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.199 stages. Do you start people from scratchered or do you kind of join them 101 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:38.480 already in progress. So my heart's work lies with the people who kind of 102 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:43.319 know what they're doing. They have an audience, they have a following, 103 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.639 they just have no idea how to monetize it. They're not collecting emails, 104 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:51.879 they're not doing events to really get themselves out there and set themselves up confidently 105 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:58.000 as an expert in their field. So I work predominantly with seasoned entrepreneurs, 106 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:03.839 but I devoted a whole core to showing people step by step how to set 107 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.680 up a business from scratch, like getting your EI in, getting your LLC, 108 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.199 building a website from scratch. All of this is like evergreen material. 109 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.360 Okay, So somebody like me who has had to kind of self teach themselves 110 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.560 how to build I mean, I built a little radio network. I've got 111 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.199 you know, an online presence. I've got things going. I actually might 112 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:30.839 need your services because the one thing that I'm finding is difficulty with making certain 113 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:37.480 things be monetized, basically to create income streams off of things that I know 114 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.399 are being distributed. I know we're making it out there. I mean, 115 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.679 I'm listeners supported here, you know. So I don't actually have corporate sponsorships. 116 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.279 Even the businesses that sponsor. It's somebody who's running their own business who 117 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.200 is a listener. And I give thank you gifts to the people that support 118 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.759 me, and that's it. I don't really I don't do anything else and 119 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.159 I haven't. Monetization has been a difficult thing for me. So I would 120 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.919 be perfect for to step in with you and have you give me advice to 121 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.559 to you know, how do I how do I make this part of it 122 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.840 work when I've got these other things rolling. I've taught myself how to do 123 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.879 a great deal of this, uh, you know, from broadcast to a 124 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:18.519 website construction. Again, I'm not a great webmaster or anything, but it 125 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.720 does function. It is a media website. I do distribute media constantly, 126 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.279 but I'm having a little trouble creating steady streams of income off of it, 127 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.120 so I would be perfect to go to you then, yeah, h yeah. 128 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.799 And honestly, I encourage the individuals that I talked to and I built 129 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.960 that connection with, I encourage them to take me up on my free session 130 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:45.120 because at the end of the day, whether you work with me or not, 131 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.879 I want to help get you to that next level. So I always 132 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:52.639 promise anyone who does one of those sessions with me that they will leave with 133 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.519 either a tool, like an actual tool that they can go research and see 134 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.919 if it works for them, or an insight that es their mindset and shifts 135 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.039 them into another way of thinking that they maybe, you know, haven't ever 136 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.919 in the past. Well, it looks like I'm gonna have to sign up 137 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.840 for a couple of pre sessions at least to see how that goes, because 138 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.279 I'm telling you know, literally, I mean, I'm out front and about 139 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.039 transparency here. I've got little difficulties with this, and it's it is the 140 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.600 only struggle that's left. I mean, the rest of it. I'm happy 141 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.840 with the way a lot of things are running. Like I said, I've 142 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.480 educated myself about a great many things with a little bit of help from some 143 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.639 friends. You know I've got a visual issue, so they had to be 144 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.039 a little more patient with me to teach me how to broadcast, how to 145 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.440 build a website, this kind of thing. But but I got that far 146 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.600 and now I just need these little connective tissues to make it all really flow, 147 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.000 you know. And I'm doing okay, but I know that I could 148 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.960 be doing a lot better. So that's the kind of thing where I think 149 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.960 I should probably step in. And I'm using myself as an example here to 150 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:00.519 give people an idea, but I really want to get into this cybin. 151 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.200 How does this work into it? Is this part of it? Or is 152 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:13.039 this a separate story? In all transparency, I am asking myself that same 153 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.320 question because a lot of the insights um that came to me from my most 154 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:24.679 recent much room experience I used in the business model that I made today. 155 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:30.960 But when I try and talk about them both, I maybe lack the marrying 156 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.960 terms necessary. Um. It just kind of seems like I talk about philocybin, 157 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:41.200 but I'm known for business advising, and so marrying the two together I 158 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.200 haven't. I haven't had that opportunity this. Honestly, this is my first, 159 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.480 like real opportunity to have to like really marry them together. Okay, 160 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.639 well, let's do it in real time here in front of the public, 161 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.720 right and see how it goes. Yeah, what the hell? I don't 162 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.759 believe in nets um all right anyway, so let's go for it, all 163 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:07.080 right. What was Look, I had a serious issue when I was searching 164 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.639 for a solution. Okay, common problem, right, anybody who's got, 165 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.879 you know, an issue that's chronic, and for me it was PTSD. 166 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.480 I didn't know how to relate to anybody about it. U talk therapy. 167 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.919 I had tried it when I was younger, but it was really not very 168 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.399 successful and I was just doing my best to cope with it. Right, 169 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.720 So I discovered that they had made, you know, some interesting progress with 170 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.440 people regarding ptsdu I said, your issue is not necessarily PTSD. Maybe we 171 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.799 could start with what your issue was. And obviously you're an intelligent person. 172 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.279 You're somebody who can organize your your thoughts and things like this. You're you're 173 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.840 clearly somebody who knows how to be productive. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to 174 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.919 teach other people how to be productive, right, So how about this? 175 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.639 What was the problem that caused you to seek this solution that becomes psilocybin in 176 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:07.480 the first place. Yeah, I was diagnosed with bipolar two when I was 177 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:15.759 fourteen. Okay, So for those of you who don't know, bipolar two 178 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.879 is different from bipolar one. So with bipolar one, the main distinction is 179 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:28.679 that people with bipolar two depression. Their depressive symptoms are longer. So an 180 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.799 example would be someone who's bipolar one. They will have these long stints of 181 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.000 mania where they're spending money that they don't have. They may be sexually promiscuous, 182 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:46.120 They're just what you think of when you call someone bipolar. It's it's 183 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.639 usually it looks a lot like that. But their depressive episodes, their lows 184 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:56.320 after their highs usually are shorter. But with people who have bipolar two, 185 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:03.120 we have what's called hypo mania, and so with that our extremes maybe don't 186 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:09.039 go as far. So for me, I have like these moments where I 187 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.360 feel like I have a bunch of energy and I can you know, I 188 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.480 can do anything, I can whatever I put my mind to. I have 189 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.840 that that optimistic glow about me. I'm listening to music. I enjoy my 190 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:26.679 streoms honestly a lot better when I'm in a hypomanic spaces. It's something that 191 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.120 people with bipolar to look forward to. Honestly, if it's not an extreme, 192 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.639 like you're doing really wild things, people look forward to it. I've 193 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.039 seen Reddit threads where people are like, how can I trigger my hypomania? 194 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.919 Because the other side of bipolar too, when you're not having a hypomanic episode, 195 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.200 is that you are depressed. You don't want to move Like I had 196 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.320 days where I literally was just staring at a spot on the floor and I 197 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.200 knew that I should have gotten up because I have a daughter and a family 198 00:14:54.600 --> 00:15:00.799 and a business, but I honestly all my heart and wanted to do in 199 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.840 those moments, which is lay there and look at that spot on the floor 200 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:09.000 and just like seek into nothingness. And I would be that way for weeks, 201 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.960 and I you know, and when it wasn't that, it was just 202 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:22.200 irritability and symptoms. So the climb and crash that most people would associate with 203 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.480 the bipolar sort of general description. What you're saying is that when you do 204 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.799 climb, you don't necessarily climb to the same heights, because if you're saying 205 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.840 it's hypomania, then that means it's under or below your what people would generally 206 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.480 understand a mania, and then your crashes. Again, I call it the 207 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.080 climb and crash. It's the best way I can do it, because I 208 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:48.080 remember reading about manic depression when I was much younger, and manic depression function 209 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.600 this way too, That's what they used to call it before they introduced this 210 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:56.840 term bipolar. You know, your crash is just last longer, is what 211 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:02.879 you're saying. But maybe you don't get into the extreme extremes of the highs. 212 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.600 Also, is that correct? That? Okay? All right, No, 213 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.159 just trying to make sure I understand. So this obviously was was interfering 214 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.600 with your consistency right like where you want it to be. You know, 215 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.200 fairly, you want to be reliable. You want to be consistent in business, 216 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.639 in life. As a parent. I'm also a parent, so you 217 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.960 know, uh, one thing is even if you're sick, even if you're 218 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.279 tired, even if you're depressed. Quite frankly, the kids are still the 219 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.879 kids and you still gotta do what you gotta do. So you know, 220 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.519 whether you feel like not wanting to pick your head up off the pillow or 221 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:44.000 off the floor or whatever, there's still things to be done. So you 222 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.440 have to face that and drag yourself through that a lot of times, or 223 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.000 you surrender and you become, you know, an absentee almost one way or 224 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.639 another. Now, I've suffered from depression, so I understand this. Again. 225 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:02.279 Mine was more linked to the PTSD kind of situation, and I suffered 226 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.200 from what they called a dyspymac depression for a while, where you know, 227 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.440 I just had a low grade but consistent depression and that was a constant. 228 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:17.079 Either way, these things are exhausting, and that's really what it came down 229 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:21.160 to for me is I was unable to sleep. At the end of it, 230 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.319 I was unable to find any comfort anywhere, and that was it. 231 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.400 I was just exhausted, and I would say for a couple of years, 232 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:33.519 I was unable to get consistent sleep or find comfort of any kind. And 233 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.759 it's got nothing to do with the people around me or anything else. It 234 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:44.039 was all an internal problem. So I'm guessing because again I didn't experience precisely 235 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.279 what you did, but I'm guessing that it's a similar kind of experience where 236 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:55.640 you're sort of stuck within yourself and it's draining to have to constantly deal with 237 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:00.119 this uh, pressure upon you. I mean I described carrying around PTA has 238 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:06.720 sort of like having somebody continuously throw wet wool blankets on me, and uh, 239 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:08.799 you know, after a while, you can't move because there's just too 240 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:15.160 much weight on you. I think you're describing a similar sort of circumstance here, 241 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.240 although you might use different descriptors. Is that really Yeah? That sounds 242 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.319 about right? Yeah. Okay, well, so you're in that position. 243 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:27.920 It's clearly bothering you. And and then what did you start to did somebody 244 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:33.400 show you an article? Did you just while doing research on something else encounter 245 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.640 this or what was the what was the moment there the catalyst that brought about 246 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:44.400 your awareness of the possibility of using uh psychedelics for any sort of good in 247 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:49.480 this area? Yeah? Um. It was actually my best friend, so 248 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:56.839 we um we would travel together to California, Oregon, and she would always 249 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:02.079 ask about mushrooms, Like where ever we went that was like away she'd be 250 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.880 like, do have magic mushrooms? Because we would go to like dispensaries and 251 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:12.319 things, and we finally found someone who had mushrooms and I had you know, 252 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.079 I was into the cannabis, so I was like, this is what 253 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.759 we're here for, Like you're asking about mushrooms. I don't even know what 254 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.039 you're talking about right now. And so we finally found someone who had them, 255 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.880 and then it was like, okay, well, now I got to 256 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.119 do some research on them, because if I'm gonna try these, and I 257 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:32.920 gotta know kind of what I'm up against. I couldn't even tell you what 258 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.720 articles I read that led me to just believe that, you know, it 259 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.359 was I honestly, when I found them, I didn't know that they could 260 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.079 be used to treat depression. That information came later after my first experience, 261 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.880 like because I kind of babied it my first time, like, I I 262 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.160 know, we're not, you know, using quantities or anything like that. 263 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.599 But it was very It was very minimal because I only knew what I had 264 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.200 seen on TV, so I played it very safe. It was a very 265 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.400 meditative experience, no hallucinogens, I didn't hear anything. It wasn't crazy anything 266 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:14.960 like that. And so but the insights that I that I happened upon during 267 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.160 that experience, I was like, Oh, this could be something. So 268 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:22.880 I did research. I got really interested into mushrooms and I started micro dosing 269 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:30.000 one summer just to kind of see if maybe like micro dosing on a consistent 270 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.559 basis would help me. I didn't know what I was doing. I ended 271 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:38.559 up stopping. And then as my business grew and I learned more about like 272 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:45.640 psilocybin from just it being out there in the world, getting article alerts from 273 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:51.839 Google and things like that, I happened upon this Red Table Talk episode, 274 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.359 which Red Table Talk is the show with Jada Pinkett Smith and she like talks 275 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:02.079 with her mom and her family about you know, controversial topics a lot of 276 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:06.000 the times, and so pilfiding was one of them. Well, this is 277 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.759 interesting. I mean, let's talk about your mindset though just a little bit. 278 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.079 Uh, you know, was this a recreational thing like I just want 279 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.920 to I just want to get high, or were you thinking I want to 280 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:19.880 feel better. I think this could make me feel better. I mean, 281 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.440 because you stated that you had already attempted, you know, cannabis, and 282 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.480 I have chronic pain. I tried to use cannabis for chronic pain. Did 283 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:33.519 not work for me and it but I do advocate for its use. I 284 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.319 think it's I think it's one of those things that can be used. But 285 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:41.319 I think we're all individuals, and maybe not everybody is predisposed for its use, 286 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.799 or maybe you're you are predisposed for its use, but it's not in 287 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:49.200 the same way that somebody else is. Like I don't like to like I'll 288 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.599 smoke a little, but not a lot, you know. And uh, 289 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.599 I don't use it for pain because it's not effective. But it did help 290 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:02.200 to take the edge off of some of the emotional issues. And it works 291 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.039 differently for everybody. I think we were all you know, we are all 292 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:10.200 individuals, so nothing is precisely the same, no matter what the chemical makeup 293 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:14.559 is, no matter what the plant's nature is, no matter what you know. 294 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:19.359 So but I went into it with a mindset of not recreation at all. 295 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:22.559 This was a big roll of the dice thing for me, and I 296 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.079 went in the other direction that you did. I didn't go with safety. 297 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.839 I said, you know, what the hell with safety? Trying to play 298 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.039 safe and trying to be you know, easy about it is not getting me 299 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:38.160 anywhere. I went for the more extreme use of it. And I'm not 300 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.440 saying that I advised that to anybody. I'm just telling you that it worked 301 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.200 for me. But other people have told me that it works in the micro 302 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.720 dosing and stuff like that. What was your mindset going in though? Was 303 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.000 it more like I just want to feel better or did you have a serious 304 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.440 intent to use it therapeutically or was it like, screw this, I just 305 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.240 want to get high so I don't feel the things I'm feeling. I mean, 306 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.160 which you know, I think those are three separate mindsets are What are 307 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.400 your thoughts there? Yeah, So the very first time that I did mushrooms, 308 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.759 it was very much I've never done magic mushrooms, and I kind of 309 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.319 want to see what's happening, so it's very much recreational, just wanting to 310 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.240 see what was happening. I played it small, so I wasn't expecting to 311 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.680 get high, but I did have some insights. But what really taught me 312 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.880 about its therapeutic use was when I after the Red Table talk, I went 313 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:34.160 looking for clinical trials and literally the stars aligned because I found a trial in 314 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:38.200 Maryland at Shephard Pritte, which is in Baltimore. I'm in College Park, 315 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:44.079 so it's like a forty fifty minute drive something like that, and it was 316 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:51.079 for my exact diagnosis, which context for like ten years I was in denial 317 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.920 about even having bipolar too, Like I was like, no, I'm just 318 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:59.160 depressed, Like I know my file says bipolar, but like I'm not actually 319 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.160 bipolar. I'm just depressed because I didn't really see myself doing like the wild 320 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.000 you know, hyphomania things, and I definitely didn't see myself doing manic things. 321 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:15.880 And so I had just come to acceptance with my diagnosis like six months 322 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.599 before I found the trial. So for my exact trial close to me, 323 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:25.960 I applied, and that that trial is really what taught me, you know, 324 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.599 about the preparation, the intention setting, how your mindset has to be 325 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.200 in the right area, making sure that you're not on anything mind altering so 326 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:40.039 that you really can die fully into the experience. I had to stop smoking 327 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.960 for three months because I have my medical marijuana card and I use it to 328 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.160 help me sleep. It's like the only thing that gets me to sleep and 329 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.039 keeps me asleep. And I just stopped smoking for three months in order to 330 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:56.359 qualify for the trial. So it was very much medicinal. Did it involve 331 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.960 talk therapy before and during or was it one or the other time? Because 332 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.640 I've read about a couple of different trials here for different types of depression. 333 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:07.880 I don't remember reading the exact one on bipolar two, but I've read a 334 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.240 bunch of the studies too and did that before I did what I did, 335 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:17.319 and I saw the potential for it with all types of depression. I mean, 336 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.440 it just seemed to go across the board. So it was like, 337 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:26.200 well, depression, it's certainly seems to have some effect on that, according 338 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.440 to the clinical trials, and again according to testimonies of just friends who said, 339 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.359 look, you know what, I didn't go to a clinical trial. 340 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.319 I just did this and I took all that in as best they could. 341 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.400 So you were sort of doing this and you got lucky to find, you 342 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:44.440 know, somebody that would a place where they were conducting a trial near you 343 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:52.039 and you could go and be in a completely controlled environment. Then yeah, 344 00:25:52.119 --> 00:26:00.960 So the trial was fifteen weeks total, and it included talk there before because 345 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:06.720 you had to meet your dosing therapists beforehand so that when you're you know, 346 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.920 the dosing experience is a three day thing. So they let me do quite 347 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.559 a few of the meetings virtually. But there were someone's like drug testing, 348 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.519 for example, to make sure that you're not on anything mind altering that had 349 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.400 to be in person. So and then of course when I met with my 350 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.519 dosing therapists, oftentimes it was in person. But the three day experience itself, 351 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.640 that's in person. So you go the day before they drug test you 352 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:38.039 one last time they have you meet with the dosing therapists. They take you 353 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.119 down to the actual room that you're going to be in so you can like 354 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:47.200 familiarize yourself with the space. They let me put the headphones on, listen 355 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.319 to the playlist a little bit so that I would, you know, be 356 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.400 kind of familiar with that as well, and it wouldn't just be like this 357 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:57.759 brand new experience nerves and everything. The day of the day of I pretty 358 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:03.319 much went to sleep just to get up and go trip, because they did 359 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.680 it early in the morning. It was like eight in the morning is when 360 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:11.640 I actually took the capsules. They found a way to synthetically take out the 361 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.599 psilocybin out of the mushroom and put it into these five little, ittyq teeny 362 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.880 tiny capsules. And then the day after you go in person to talk with 363 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:26.359 your therapists and unpack the experience, and then you meet after that, like 364 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:32.039 you know, on a semi scheduled basis to unpack and continue to put those 365 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:37.480 insights into your life. Okay, well, did you get any input on 366 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.440 the playlist or did they have pre selected sound for you to you know, 367 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.519 engage in, because I know I had a heightened sense of sound when I 368 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.079 did this, and by the way, I tried the synthetic you know, 369 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.480 stuff on the street when I was a kid and all that, and did 370 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.440 not gain any good insights out of it. I had a terrible time actually, 371 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.640 So you know, for me, I was walking into this like, 372 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.240 I don't care if it melts my brain. This has to change, was 373 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.279 my attitude, as the circumstance I was in must change, and I didn't 374 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.480 care if it destroyed my brain. It has to be done because I can't 375 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.799 live like this anymore, you know. So I was in that state of 376 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:21.000 mind, but the music was very important, and I found that different types 377 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.559 of music that I enjoy. I enjoy all types normally, but different types 378 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.559 of music allowed for different experiences. Did you have any sort of input on 379 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.279 that or did they pre select your playlists? Yeah, no, there's no 380 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.960 input on it whatsoever. It's a very scientific They developed the playlist with science 381 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:44.039 so that it rises when it knows that you might be feelings to euphoria and 382 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.759 those like you know, happy feelings, and it you know, drops to 383 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.759 less beats per minute when you're in that more introspective space. They don't even 384 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:56.039 let you know, like what's on the playlist, Like if I wanted to 385 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.359 just meditate with some of the songs to like take me back to the eperience, 386 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:06.240 they don't. It's very controlled. But however, right there is a 387 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:12.839 John Hopkins playlist on Spotify that is very close to the one that they use 388 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:22.079 in the John Hopkins trial. And I had the privilege on much first to 389 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.039 give it a go and see, you know, if it was kind of 390 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.519 the same experience. And I can attest that the songs do take you on 391 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.319 the as I like to comment on the song journeys, the same way that 392 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.680 they do in the trial experience. Okay, so how about we describe a 393 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.079 little bit of that, give people an idea what that was like because you 394 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.400 came in, I mean, were you suffering from an active sort of depressive 395 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.160 state when you went in or what was your mindset when you went in? 396 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.720 I mean it might have been still a little nervous about it, or this 397 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.200 is gonna be weird. I'm kind of handing myself over to people. They're 398 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.119 going to keep me in a room for three days. You might have an 399 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.759 odd attitude about it. What was what was your your your mindset like going 400 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:11.880 into the experience the first time? Um, I wasn't super nervous. Um 401 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.079 just because I had had recreational experiences before, so I knew nothing like crazy 402 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:26.279 was going to happen. But UM, I was kind of, you know, 403 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.880 like some stuff like when I went in, Um, I wasn't sure 404 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.279 how it was going to work. I had never set intention and so um 405 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:41.160 for context, the intention that I set for myself that time was to be 406 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.759 a little less hard on myself because I was very much and still kind. 407 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.680 I am sometimes like type A, like everything has to be perfect if I 408 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.640 make it to do list, everything has to get cross off of it that 409 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.279 day, because what are we doing to do list for? And I was 410 00:30:55.319 --> 00:31:00.640 just really hard on myself and in setting intention m I actually was able to 411 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.599 gain some self compassion that still serves me to this day. Excellent. Okay, 412 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:11.279 so let's talk about that and coming back into you know, look for 413 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.279 three days, you obviously weren't going to try and conduct any business while you're 414 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.440 in the hospital room or you know, the clinical room whatever. So you 415 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.319 know, it's just one day. Yeah, it's just one Okay, that 416 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.119 might have been confusing. You go there the day before for a few hours. 417 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.720 The day they keep you for eight hours because they legally have to. 418 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.240 You get to go home in like journal and stuff, and then you go 419 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.359 back the next day. Oh okay, okay, I thought they kept you 420 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.680 for three days. I'm sorry, um, all right now, well hey, 421 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.440 look, you know it is possible that they could run you know, 422 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.400 a series of these on you for three days. I don't know what the 423 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.359 technique is in this particular situation. For me, I did it like I 424 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.839 broke broke it up by like a week at a time, and did three 425 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.759 sessions, uh you know, one week after the other on a particular day 426 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:00.920 when I would make sure that I could cleared everything away. I had nothing 427 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.079 else that I would have to do for at least four hours before and eight 428 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.319 hours after and during the time obviously. Okay, yeah, like this was 429 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.119 my organizational principle, but they did it differently. Okay, fair enough. 430 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.279 So what do you come out of it with? I mean, look the 431 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.359 day after or whatever or the follow ups. Okay, let's unpack what it 432 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.119 is that you were experiencing personally, because only you are in your own head 433 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.359 at that you know at that time, So how did you how did you 434 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.880 relate to it afterwards? I mean, what was your feeling on it? 435 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.160 How did you take that forward and then sort of rejoin the world so to 436 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:46.680 speak. Yeah, the things that I had gained out of the clinical trial 437 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.759 experience, because like I said, I did a recreation and that gave me 438 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:58.359 different insights. But the clinical trial experience. Best self compassion is one of 439 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.519 those things that like I sort of have a mantra, but it's more like 440 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:05.839 a silent mantra, and it's not anything fancy. It's literally just go with 441 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:13.240 the float. Because I was keeping myself to these ridiculous timetables of trying to 442 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.720 get things done in like really short amounts of time because I'm an entrepreneur and 443 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.839 I want to do it all. So I was setting myself up with these 444 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:29.920 like really really steep timetables and so to literally just have moments where I think 445 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:31.599 to myself, no one else knows what you're doing, but you like, 446 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.240 no one's expecting this, like just literally have those conversations with myself and tell 447 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.920 me that it's okay. Like I'm doing a lot as it is. People 448 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.640 all the time tell me how busy I am. But it's one of those 449 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:52.640 things where like you can know you're busy and feel like you're not getting anything 450 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.799 done. But this is like knowing I'm busy and knowing that I'm moving towards 451 00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:01.119 the right direction. And that's so helped. Another really powerful insight that I 452 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:06.000 got was to spend time, spend more time with my daughter. I had 453 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.239 this moment in the trip where it was like weird, we shifted perspectives a 454 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:15.119 couple of times, so like I became her, like I was in her 455 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.760 like child's body, and then I was like somehow like outside looking at her, 456 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.760 and she was like crying out for me to like play with her, 457 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.280 Like that's all she wanted was just for her to like have someone to play 458 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.599 with. And I remember the time in my childhood when I just because I 459 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.920 grew up an only child and I really just wanted somebody to play with me, 460 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.280 and my mom was gone, like for her, I'm in the I'm 461 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.280 in the you know, I'm in the house because it's a home office, 462 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.519 so she thinks I'm available, I want to play, but like my mom 463 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.320 was gone, so like I remember vividly like wanting someone to play with and 464 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.000 not having anyone. And so when I had that experience where I was her 465 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.440 and then I was looking at her whatever, it's weird in that, you 466 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.599 know, psychedelic space. And I made a point in myself like to make 467 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.679 time for her, Like even if I just stopped work for thirty minutes and 468 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.719 just spend a little time with her, She's going to remember those times more 469 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.400 than like whatever dream that I'm like working to build where we get to like 470 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.760 spend a whole day together, Like that's the dream where we have more than 471 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.760 one day where we spend hours with each other. But the thirty minute sessions 472 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:28.079 count two. So those are just like a couple of the ones. And 473 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:36.840 I just the the meditation, because I do sometimes meditate. It helps keep 474 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.760 them close. But honestly, I think the thing that's kept the insights close 475 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.960 to me is that So, like I said, I stopped smoking for the 476 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.639 trial because they didn't want you on anything mind altering. As soon as they 477 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.119 said there were no more drug tasks. I went immediately back to smoking so 478 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:59.199 that I could get some quality sleep. And so they when I you know, 479 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.159 when it came to the can, they asked me if I had added 480 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.320 any medicines to my regimen, and I told them I had started smoking cannabis 481 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:10.519 again. They were worried because cannabis is a depressant. So I'm now effectively 482 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.880 putting back the thing that I feel curative into my body. And so I 483 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.440 was like, no, no, no, no, because I'm still going 484 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.519 to smoke because I value the sleep that I get in need as an entrepreneur, 485 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.760 but I will microdose. And so now I'm microdose four times a week. 486 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:32.599 And so I think that that that constant, just even in a minimal 487 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:39.320 way, that activation of the dormant serotonin receptors and the fact that microdocing helps 488 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:45.760 you connect new neural pathways, I'm able to really retain the insights and even 489 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.800 things from like way back when that I even forgot, I learned. I'm 490 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.480 able to retain and pull information from these places, these wells within my own 491 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.920 brain. Well, look, I'm going to take a little break with you 492 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.360 here and we'll will just settle back for a moment with the information you've given 493 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.039 us so far. But I want to close this segment just real fast with 494 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:13.679 one last question, which is m and your opinion is what I'm looking for 495 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:17.039 here. I think that, look, you you have found a path. 496 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.599 And I think that this could be helpful to a lot of people. And 497 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.039 they might say to themselves, oh what now I'm on something else that I 498 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.199 got to take all the time. Maybe not. I'm thinking that, you 499 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:36.320 know, others might find it valuable to use it differently even and there might 500 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.360 be multiple ways which somebody could apply it. Now, why do I say 501 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:45.480 this because my application is nothing like yours, And I know it was helpful, 502 00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:51.400 and I take your word that it was helpful for you. Also. 503 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.400 Cannabis, I wouldn't say is always a depressant, you know. I know 504 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:59.400 that's the way they classify it, but you know, not necessarily. Everybody's 505 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:05.079 a little different and slightly different strains do different things to different people and different 506 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.440 amounts. And you know, again, I'm one of these guys who takes, 507 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.159 like, you know, two hits off of a joint, and I'm 508 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.079 good, that's line. I see other people, you know, they they 509 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.079 smoke. God, what I wouldn't smoke over the course of eight months when 510 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.480 they go, you know, and they do that in a night, and 511 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.039 I go, WHOA. Okay, But I'm not saying that they're wrong. 512 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.360 I'm not saying anybody's wrong. Matter of fact, I think that since we 513 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:35.679 are all individuals, we can all find a way to utilize this, and 514 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.199 it is natural. It is a good thing. I mean, I know 515 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:44.320 you use the you know, the artificial one that they developed and put into 516 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.400 a pill, but not me. I just had the you know, just 517 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:52.800 straight up shrooms, these things, some of these things. Everybody is an 518 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.519 individual, so the way that you're applying it or the way that I'm applying 519 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.679 it might not necessarily be the same for every So you know, somebody else 520 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.360 might find something a completely different way of utilizing it than what you're describing or 521 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.840 what I've described in the past. Um, I want to get to the 522 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.280 core of what it does when we come back, if you don't mind, 523 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.199 But what is your opinion about that? Do you think I'm right that I'm 524 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.639 saying, you know, basically, everybody needs to customize this, uh for 525 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.840 their own purposes. Uh and uh and and what are your thoughts on that? 526 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.239 Oh? Yeah, you have to make it your own. Like if 527 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:35.599 I if I didn't smoke, who knows, I might not need to microdose 528 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.000 as much. But what I know is that it acts. It does the 529 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:44.119 same thing as an antidepressant, except you don't feel numb. That's what I 530 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.920 know. No, definitely, and that's that's the one thing about that. 531 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.360 God I hate pharmaceutical companies. I hate all that stuff, and I gotta 532 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.280 tell you, I find most of it to be poisonous. I know there 533 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.480 are some people that need it, but man, I think that we can 534 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:06.639 all find a much better path through much more natural solutions when it comes to 535 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.599 the issues that we face. Diamond Rip is with me. We're going to 536 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:13.880 tell you more about where to find her online again and continue on with this 537 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:19.199 discussion about her experience with psilocybin. As the o'celli effect continues. Stick around 538 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:40.360 Wall Street, Street, Window dot com, roll Silver, the stock market, 539 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.320 Wall Street, Window dot dot Perhaps you're invested deeply, Perhaps you're not 540 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.320 in deep enough. Maybe you're thinking about getting started Wall Street, Window dot 541 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.280 com, do dot com. Michael Swanson, the brilliant author of the War 542 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.119 State, understood these trends professional belief for many years and now he gives you 543 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:10.159 the benefit of his knowledge. 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Quick reminder 567 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.599 that if you are a supporter of the network and you drop in fifty dollars 568 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.039 or more, those swag bags are going to start going out, So get 569 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.239 in on that. And if you don't know about it, just read some 570 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.320 of the show notes and also read the show notes. For tonight's guest, 571 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.280 Diamond drip Um. Now, she did say you can go find her on 572 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:20.239 LinkedIn. That's a nice, easy responsive place for but also Diamond drip. 573 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.400 What is the website's proper name? I know I have a bookmarked, but 574 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:28.760 what is the u website address? Again? For sure, it's Diamond Drip 575 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.400 Consulting dot com. Diamond Drip Consulting dot com. See, I didn't want 576 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.000 to say it and screw it up, So good Diamond Drip Consulting dot com. 577 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.880 And uh again. You know she's got a primary business. But we 578 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.800 are focused on the psilocybin issue here, so let's let's take it forward. 579 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.199 Um, all right, we've we've talked about the clinical trial. We've talked 580 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:55.719 about what you've done afterwards, returning to smoking the cannabis or taking cannabis again 581 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.119 one way. I don't know. Maybe you do the gummies. I don't 582 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.599 know, but I smoke a little now and then I find that some of 583 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.039 the edibles are a little bit too much. Sometimes they hang around too long. 584 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.400 So you know, I like the very temporary. I just take take 585 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.480 a couple of drags off a joint and I'm good. But look, forget 586 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:22.320 about me. Let's take this forward. So you get some new insights, 587 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.559 you get some stuff going here, you get a little bit of after therapy, 588 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:30.519 etc. They're concerned depressive all right, all of that is what it 589 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:36.079 is. Now you go home, you rejoin your life, You're you're gonna 590 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.800 go forward, You're gonna continue with your business. Now, how do you 591 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:45.320 take this experience into your business practices and how do you take it into the 592 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:46.559 rest of your life. I mean, you talked about your daughter a little 593 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.719 bit, and uh, look, my whole experience is way different because I 594 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.360 had to go through a lot of ugliness that I was really suppressing brutally. 595 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.159 You know, you're not doing that. You're looking for or positive answers. 596 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.639 I at first had to like purge myself of a bunch of horrible things. 597 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.599 Again PTSD. I had it for a reason. I've had it since childhood, 598 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.920 you know. And I'm not talking about this this new clinical description of 599 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.519 it. I'm talking about I was first diagnosed with it, and I want 600 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:22.719 to say nineteen eighty three, okay, and yeah, So I carried that 601 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.559 around with very little treatment, very little anything not good, long long time. 602 00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.639 Tried to self medicate all different ways, but that required a clearing out 603 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:38.599 of a bunch of just terrible garbage. Now you had a depression that was 604 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:44.760 hanging on you, and now maybe you feel it lifted, because why did 605 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.920 you lose control of something? Did you gain control of something? What really 606 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:59.840 happened? How would you describe that? Yeah, I would say that the 607 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.800 insights in terms of like the self compassion, they hit harder. So with 608 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.559 what it helped me gain, it was like a weight had been lifted, 609 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:16.400 Like all of my how hard I am on myself, all of the extra 610 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:22.079 pressure that I put on myself. When I get in self compassion, that 611 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.679 just lessened. It felt like I could breathe. I remember when I was 612 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.599 going to get my daughter after workout. I had microdose that day and it 613 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.840 was a sunny day. I was actually able to enjoy the sun on my 614 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.760 face as I drove to pick up my daughter. The second main thing that 615 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.320 it did, in addition to the self compassion was it helped me step outside 616 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:52.239 of my ego and into empathy. When you microdose, when you go through 617 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.480 a hero dose, which is whatever they say it is, I think it's 618 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.639 like five grands or something like that. When you go through an experience with 619 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.760 magic mushrooms, your default mode network it lessons and you're able to feel That's 620 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.840 why people report feeling like a connectedness, why they feel like they want to 621 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:15.880 go hug a tree and they feel the life like your ego lessons, and 622 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.360 you're able to really connect in a way that you never could, whether that's 623 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.679 with other people, whether that's with the universe, like you're just able to 624 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.079 connect on a different level. And so especially in my business, because a 625 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.360 lot of what I do is giving entrepreneurs the confidence to really step forward as 626 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.239 the best, as the best, most passionate selves in their business. Like 627 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.519 that requires me to have a certain level of empathy and understanding for what it 628 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.159 is that they're going through. Well, let me let me run this by 629 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.599 you then, because I'm now hearing a commonality. I've contrasted you in me 630 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.400 a bit, but now I'm hearing a commonality here, and you're wording it 631 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.159 differently than I would. So let me just see if we can come together 632 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.239 on this. You know, I felt as though, all right, whether 633 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.360 it's depression or it's PTSD, or it's bipolar. Look, there are certain 634 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:12.159 things that are not caused by you, okay, that are part of either 635 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:17.119 you know, a chemical situation or an experiential situation that is weighing upon you. 636 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.599 These are not things that are within your control. But as you attempt 637 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.159 to cope with them. A lot of times you create things, you add 638 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.480 pressure to yourself, you make it worse. Really, I mean, this 639 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.559 is just one of the things that people do when they have a chronic condition 640 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.519 like this, that that affects them emotionally. Okay, that's my opinion, 641 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.000 but you know, maybe maybe you think I'm wrong. But one of the 642 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.760 first things to lift away in my mind, which by the way, did 643 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:54.519 weigh access of a hero dose first time. But anyway, the thing was 644 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.719 that the first thing that I was able to remove was the things that I 645 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.960 would was doing that were sabotaging me personally, me sabotaging myself. Now this 646 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.360 is not something that most people do knowingly, but I had the ability to 647 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:14.519 see that I was doing that and I could work against it. And I 648 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:19.000 also felt that connectivity. And anybody who's observed me said that, you know, 649 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.400 look, you were expressing almost no emotion before in a lot of personal 650 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:28.280 situations. Now it's like, you know, you can again. And I 651 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.880 felt that as well. I felt a freedom. But the first thing that 652 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.519 I got set free from in my mind is those things that I was doing 653 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.519 that were pretty much you know, knee cap I was knee capping myself. 654 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:44.559 I was causing problems for myself on top of what was coming at me that 655 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.000 again i'm not responsible for. I didn't cause, but I was adding to 656 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.760 it. Did you find that you were able to subtract that? Is that 657 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.679 what you mean by being an empathy and you know, being more understanding and 658 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.800 forgiving of yourself this kind of sentiment. Is that what you mean by that? 659 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:08.480 Or am I misunderstand? No, you're understanding? Okay, okay, 660 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:13.199 well then see now that's a huge thing. A lot of people don't realize 661 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:19.880 they're sabotaging themselves. They're actually causing the effect from whatever it is. Again, 662 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.800 it could be whatever. However you want to categorize it. Go to 663 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.320 the DSM and give yourself ten different terms. It's irrelevant. The thing is 664 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.480 is that a lot of times people add to the problem h and they don't 665 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:36.440 realize they're adding to the problem themselves because now they're getting down on themselves. 666 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:42.760 For most simple thing is you're mad at yourself for being depressed. So now 667 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.280 you're pissed off and you're like giving yourself crap about this is ridiculous. I 668 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:50.159 can't believe that I'm letting I don't even know why this is happening. There's 669 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.760 no reason for me to be depressed. Why am I depressed? Now, 670 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.960 that's a lot of energy that you're sinking into getting down on yourself for being 671 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.440 depressed, or for being angry, or for being on guard, or for 672 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:06.679 being closed off or whatever it is. And you're adding to the situation. 673 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.320 And I'm not just saying you diamond drip. I'm saying you know the general 674 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.920 you right, Isn't this one of the things that all of a sudden, 675 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.280 quite frankly, as soon as you begin to experience those effects, you could 676 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.639 much more clearly recognize that that is something that you are. Like the part 677 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:29.760 you're doing to yourself, what do you think? Yeah, you are. 678 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:36.599 You're able to notice a lot about yourself, Like even now when there's I 679 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.599 consider myself curative depression. But my polartryo was a hormonal imbalance in the brain, 680 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.239 and once a month I get an influx of hormones into my body and 681 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:54.440 so I go back into what feels like depression. I'm irritable, I'm depressed. 682 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.480 I don't feel like doing anything, and I'm able to because I'm micro 683 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:05.159 doos in these spaces I'm able to catch moments where I lash out a little 684 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.679 bit more over something that maybe my daughter did, and I go, wait, 685 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.400 you just kind of overreacted a little bit. You might want to recheck 686 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:16.679 how you handle that. And it allows you to notice, you know, 687 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:22.880 just little small, subtle things because you are so connected. Like I guess 688 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.639 I'm connected to her energy change. Right if I'm irritated and I yell and 689 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:31.079 then she's happy and then I feel something shift. I was connected to that, 690 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:36.440 so I calm down and I'm able to if it was something that I 691 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.719 yelled about, like picking something up off the floor, I'll you know, 692 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:45.320 I'll say something like an empathy. I understand that I probably startled you a 693 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.840 little bit, but Mommy was frustrated because I asked you to pick this up 694 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.480 off the floor four times and this is now the fifth time that I'm walking 695 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.800 past this. So I was a little frustrated and she's able to understand that. 696 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.719 Yes, I got mad, but we're good. You just were frustrated, 697 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.840 right See, I had the the over Okay, maybe you don't know 698 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:12.599 do you know anything about PTSD at all? Yeah? Okay, so I 699 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.360 had, uh, the the overreaction rage responses sometimes. Right. I was 700 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.679 the kind of guy who could stub his toe and then put his hand through 701 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.880 the wall because I stubbed my toe on the on the door jam, right, 702 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:27.360 Um. And it's not because I'm a violent person by nature. It 703 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.559 was an automatic response. Um. Immediately I got controlled. But I had 704 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.480 no control over that. I'm telling you now that that was something that just 705 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.000 used to It was like a reflex, right um. And you'll find that 706 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:45.320 sometimes there's combative natures that people end up with with the PTSD. Uh, 707 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:49.159 it's a self defense mechanism. I know it is. And I understood all 708 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:53.480 that psychologically, still could not prevent myself from auto reacting in that way. 709 00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:58.960 Right. Um. With this experience, though, I was able to gain 710 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.360 a perspective on it. It all of a sudden I got control over it. 711 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.920 It just came to me that I was able to control it. Now 712 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.039 that sounds really obvious and stupid. Of course, you can control yourself stupid, 713 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:13.000 Yeah, I know, But I'm telling you not from inside where I 714 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.639 was sitting could I see that Until I was able to kind of see all 715 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.679 the way around, you know what I mean? And I understood that I 716 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.119 was overreacting. To things, and yeah, I've had things come up since 717 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.559 where it's like, you know what, I would get angry, but I'm 718 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.760 not going to. And I have a choice about that now a lot more 719 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.519 than I used to. That's an interesting piece of control. And yeah, 720 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.360 you're you're more empathetic and you're feeling out, You're you're clearly able to have 721 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:44.119 a heightened sense of everything with this. And so I want to know, 722 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.480 and you know, because we're going towards just about the end of where our 723 00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:50.880 discussion is going to be for tonight, maybe we'll revisit this on another show, 724 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.039 I'll invite you back, but I want to take it a little further. 725 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:59.840 And again, you know, talk about your your business because you've obviously 726 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.880 you know, okay, you talked about how to integrate it with interacting with 727 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.679 children. And look again, uh, they're all individuals too, So you 728 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.559 know, no matter what your advice column says, it might not apply, 729 00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:15.039 depending as your child is not the child they're writing about in the advice column. 730 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.239 But look, you gain your own way and you figure it out your 731 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.280 own way, as per the way that you have to as a parent anyhow. 732 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.079 But let's put that parenting part aside. It's not that it's not important, 733 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.920 it's just I want to go somewhere else. How did you apply this 734 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.840 to business? How did it change the way you were doing business or interacting 735 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.920 with others who maybe are not, you know, so emotionally tied to you. 736 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:43.440 But but but in another way, you know what they're they're important too 737 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:49.000 because where they're part of your livelihood, they're part of what happens um you 738 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.280 know, what about that part of it? How did you take it further 739 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:57.079 from a business standpoint? And how did you come back in with those new 740 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.639 insights? You keep using the word insights. How did you take those insights 741 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:07.400 and apply them business wise? Oh? Wow? So my last trip, 742 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:14.480 one of the things that I went in knowing was bugging me. Didn't expect 743 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.039 it to come up in the trip, but it did. I had a 744 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.840 really great open rate on my emails like it was in the sixties, which 745 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:30.239 is really good. But people weren't clicking that conversion for why they even opened 746 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.199 the email in the first place. They weren't doing it, And so it 747 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:36.440 came up in a trip for me, and I really had to get honest 748 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.880 with myself and I was like, could you're not giving them a reason too. 749 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:46.840 So I reworked my entire new marketing sequence, which included videos to build 750 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:52.719 connection with people, because what I was doing before was giving them like regurgitated 751 00:57:52.800 --> 00:58:00.119 information from like Google and stuff because I was scared and being selfish whatever my 752 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.840 entrepreneur mind was, and I didn't want to give too much away. And 753 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.360 so in this new marketing that I do, I lead with value first, 754 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:14.039 because that's going to be the thing that people resonate with. They're not going 755 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:16.320 to resonate with the fact that you said that they need to create a budget, 756 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.760 that they need to have a business plan, like they're going to resonate 757 00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.800 with you walking them through what's a lean canvas because it's much easier to do 758 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:30.280 one of those in a fifteen page business plan. So in the way that 759 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:36.039 I operate, leading with value instead of being in that like scarcity mindset, 760 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.599 like if I give too much away, then like what will they buy? 761 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.639 Like, no, you have so much to give. And so even with 762 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.440 that, it came a little bit of that like self compassion that like I 763 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.119 used to be really hard on myself about even my value, and so that 764 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:54.480 comes into play. But honestly, it's one of those things where because I 765 00:58:54.599 --> 00:59:00.039 am just so looking to build connection with other people. At the beginning in 766 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.880 the show, I offers a passion met strategy break for your call, and 767 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.639 I'll plan to follow up with you with that link in an email, because 768 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.440 I honestly want to help every single person that I talked to, whether they 769 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.159 choose to work with me or not, because connection is what the world is 770 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:22.519 missing a little bit, and we're only getting worse with AI. So connecting 771 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:29.480 with other humans, that definitely was something that it really became really clear to 772 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.360 me that I need to really connect with people. See but right there, 773 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.559 that's your connective tissue. That's the thing that you're missing because the bottom line 774 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:43.119 is, whether it's business or it's personal relationships, right, it's about the 775 00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:49.039 interaction. It's about how you present and how you receive things if you're really 776 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.480 truly interacting with people. And yes, indeed, with social media and with 777 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:58.719 AI and all this other stuff, we have all this artificiality built around everything 778 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:04.920 nowadays, and the commerce, whether it's emotional or it's financial, the commerce 779 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.760 that goes on now is through all of these different filters. If you can 780 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:15.599 make that more organic and realize that look the way that you lead with value 781 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.079 like you do in a relationship. Right, what do you do Let's just 782 01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:21.760 say you know you're dating, even what do you want to do? You 783 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:23.519 want to put up your best first impression, you know what I'm saying. 784 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.239 And the way that you do that and the way that you come to a 785 01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:34.360 clear understanding right off the bat in a relationship. It usually leads to a 786 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.639 much clearer understanding in a relationship in whether it's business or it's personal. Right, 787 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:44.760 So the two things are actually the same. Obviously, you know, 788 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:49.719 dollars and cents is not the same as you know, the currency of emotion 789 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:55.000 per se, but they do work on similar principles. So why not that's 790 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.400 your connective tissue. That's the way I see it. I mean, that's 791 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.519 what I'm hearing from you as we go through this. So again, I 792 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.480 want to give you an opportunity though to tell people about your business what it 793 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.360 is you do. And you know, maybe we could revisit this at a 794 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:14.960 later date, but I'm thinking there's a lot of food for thought here because 795 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:21.880 I think it's very interesting to consider that whenever you're involved in exchanges, Okay, 796 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:29.199 whether you're exchanging you know, digital currency or again the emotional and almost 797 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:35.159 spiritual currency that you do in your personal life. I think that having clarity 798 01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:39.760 about that and having full knowledge about the way that you're presenting the way that 799 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:45.679 you're interacting is the most important thing. You think I'm off base about this. 800 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:51.519 I don't think you're off because at all. So there we have it. 801 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.119 So Diamond Drip, Diamond Drip Consulting dot com. That's where they can 802 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.320 go. They find you on LinkedIn. Maybe you could email me some other 803 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.920 links and things. I'll put them in the show notes so you guys can 804 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:05.079 follow up with this discussion from tonight. I definitely want you guys to take 805 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.119 a look at and and by the way, just so you know, she 806 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:12.400 was on a list of over a hundred people that uh no, this is 807 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.280 true though, that over a hundred people signed up to be a guest on 808 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:20.039 the show, and I have only had about five of you so far. 809 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.679 And the only reason why I didn't get her sooner is because she was busy. 810 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.000 But that's that's the truth. But you know, only the most interesting 811 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:34.400 people do I want to bring forth to you guys, And I think Diamond 812 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:39.039 trip story is extremely interesting. It's a different methodology from where I visited the 813 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:44.199 you know the gift again that I believe that it's a gift. You know, 814 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.920 you want to talk about God, well, if look, I have 815 01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:52.119 my differences with people about God and the Creator and the creation altogether. But 816 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:58.400 here's the thing. If there's stuff in nature that can provide us with a 817 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:04.519 better way to live, I see no reason why we should not engage with 818 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.480 it. Use it. You believe in your Bible? Fine, you know 819 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:09.960 what, all the plants on the earth, all the seeds, all this 820 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:15.239 stuff is here for you to use. And you only have to read Genesis 821 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.599 to find that out. And it doesn't matter if it's cannabis or if it 822 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:24.400 is the fungus that grows, because well, psilocybin is a mushroom. All 823 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:29.920 of these things are presented to us and gifted to us by Mother Earth, 824 01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.159 God, whatever you want to call it, by the creation, no matter 825 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.320 who you think created it very simple, and I think we should all be 826 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:43.639 free to utilize these things and do it to live our best lives. Any 827 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:47.960 argument with me? There, Diamond Drip, no argument. So there you 828 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.480 have a Diamond Drip Consulting dot com and I want to thank you for coming 829 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.760 on and telling us and sharing this, sharing this part of your life with 830 01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:02.159 us tonight. Hopefully someone will take away from this and decide that they might 831 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:06.719 have a solution insight for the things that they are suffering from. Because I 832 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:12.239 know, just interacting with people through emails, through occasional phone calls this kind 833 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.880 of stuff. Who listened to the show, I know that a lot of 834 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.280 us are suffering and to me, if there is a simple natural solution that 835 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:25.559 could provide us a pathway forward, we should take advantage of it. Diamond 836 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:30.639 Drift Consulting dot com Diamond Drift thanks so much for being on the Ocelli Effect 837 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.159 tonight. It was an honor. Thank you, and you guys, no 838 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.000 matter who you are, where you are, when you are, remember this. 839 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:42.480 I am merely o'ceelly. All of you are the effect tonight