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the week for the network, and again going after different types of guests this
time. All right, I was getting a little bored with some of the
people I had on, and I think you guys were too. Um,
We're gonna actually revisit a time topic here tonight, and we're gonna do this
with a fascinating individual that I think has an interesting energy level if nothing else.
Okay, now there's a lot more to offer here, but I'm gonna
let her explain that to you. Her name is Diamond dripp. Okay,
now, Diamond drip No, I didn't stutter. That's what it sounds like.
I don't know where the name came from. Maybe i'll get into that.
Ask her where that came from. I'm thinking that's not on her birth
certificate. But we all know about how the legal fiction works and all that
good stuff. Who cares you call yourself what you want to anyway, what
are we talking about a couple of years ago. If you're a long time
listener, you certainly know that I did a long series on what really saved
my life. Let's be blunt. I felt like I was being destroyed by
the PTSD, which I had carried for decades and well, you know,
just shot in the dark experimentation. After reading about it, I said to
myself, psilocybin would be a good thing. I announced that on air.
I told other people, and suddenly people that wanted me to be well gifted
me with psilocybin and made sure that I had a fairly copious amount of it.
Now, I don't give amounts, I don't give suggestions. Nothing I'm
about to say or my guest is about to say, should be qualified as
medical advice. But even the military today is looking at how can we help
people with this stuff? Now I describe PTSD, But of course there are
studies out there, there are efforts, there are individuals who are proclaiming that
this stuff and this is not new by the way, it's just newly getting
attention in our current age that there were people saying, you know, this
stuff which does come from the earth, which is a naturally occurring thing,
it might provide possibilities of repair for individuals who might have suffered damage one way
or another, as in my experience. If you don't recall it, you
don't know about the psilocybin series that I did. It's still archived on the
website. I'm thinking about rereleasing it again because a lot of people were listening
to it on YouTube and we don't have that channel anymore. But look all
of my pronouncements, and I know I went to air about ten minutes late
on the live stream, But if you're here in the podcast, you don't
care. But the podcast still exists out there. They are still up on
my site, they're in a few other places. I've tried to make sure
that that information stays out there, but I may have to put it out
again because my guest is going to talk about it, and I don't think
she was going through PTSD. I got a different idea about her story,
but I'm not gonna tell it to you. I'm gonna let her do that
anyway, Diamond Drip. I know it's an unorthodox introduction, and I want
you to tell people about what it is you do, what it is you
discovered, all that good stuff. But before we go anywhere there, how
are you doing tonight? Hey? Thank you so much. It is such
an honor to be in this container with you right now. I'm doing amazing.
How are you amazing? See, I don't hear many people say how
you doing amazing? That's not usually the response I get. Uh you Again,
It's gonna be a unique kind of energy. We don't get this sort
of energy on this show very often. So I'm I'm I'm a moody s
ob so uh and and I seem to have spread that among the people that
I speak to. It happens, um, But you're you're unique. You
have a very positive outlook. Um. I had an off air discussion with
you, a brief one and Uh, it was. It was really interesting.
So let's first tell people where they can go and take a look at
you online, and then let's get into your story. I mean, like
I said, I might want to know how it is the name Diamond Drip
comes about. I might want to know a little bit about your background,
your past before discovering, well, the gift that is psilocybin. I might
want to know about all that. So let's let's get into it. First,
tell them where they can find your stuff and how they can become educated
via your particular shingle on the worldwide Web. Yeah, thank you, so
my name honestly anything that you ever want to find me on I have branded
with Diamond Drip. My favorite place to connect with people is actually on LinkedIn,
and I do a great bit of education about psilocybin on LinkedIn. That's
strange. I wouldn't have thought that LinkedIn would be a primary place for it.
But cool, all right, So look for Diamond Drip anywhere, but
LinkedIn might be your preferred way if people wanted to get in touch with you
directly. So yes, I'm always checking LinkedIn every day. You can also
find all of my other contexts on my direct website Diamond Drip consulting dot com
Diamond Drip consulting. So now we get the word consulting in there on the
dot com. So maybe tell people a little bit about that. What do
you consult people about? Yeah, so I like to describe what I do
by I'm describing why I do it. So when it comes to business advising,
I support solopreneurs who have that gift, but they lack the systems and
structures to really scale their business to the next level. So they don't know
much about like marketing funnels. They maybe never went to a tech class that
showed them how to build a website, and so I consult with them on
visual communications, digital strategy, and also self care because as solopreneurs, a
big part of who we are shows up in our business. And if we're
not feeling great mentally and we're not taking care of ourselves, then that's going
to show up in our business. So I, you know, I talk
with people if they have things going on with them, they can use the
whole entire session like a therapy session they want to. Okay, so about
the whole person, not just as an entrepreneur. You're using the word solopreneur.
So I guess what you're saying is you advise people about the best way
forward when it comes to being a one man gang, so to speak,
in their own business where they're building a business from. I guess from the
ground up usually, or do you get people that are sort of in intermediate
stages. Do you start people from scratchered or do you kind of join them
already in progress. So my heart's work lies with the people who kind of
know what they're doing. They have an audience, they have a following,
they just have no idea how to monetize it. They're not collecting emails,
they're not doing events to really get themselves out there and set themselves up confidently
as an expert in their field. So I work predominantly with seasoned entrepreneurs,
but I devoted a whole core to showing people step by step how to set
up a business from scratch, like getting your EI in, getting your LLC,
building a website from scratch. All of this is like evergreen material.
Okay, So somebody like me who has had to kind of self teach themselves
how to build I mean, I built a little radio network. I've got
you know, an online presence. I've got things going. I actually might
need your services because the one thing that I'm finding is difficulty with making certain
things be monetized, basically to create income streams off of things that I know
are being distributed. I know we're making it out there. I mean,
I'm listeners supported here, you know. So I don't actually have corporate sponsorships.
Even the businesses that sponsor. It's somebody who's running their own business who
is a listener. And I give thank you gifts to the people that support
me, and that's it. I don't really I don't do anything else and
I haven't. Monetization has been a difficult thing for me. So I would
be perfect for to step in with you and have you give me advice to
to you know, how do I how do I make this part of it
work when I've got these other things rolling. I've taught myself how to do
a great deal of this, uh, you know, from broadcast to a
website construction. Again, I'm not a great webmaster or anything, but it
does function. It is a media website. I do distribute media constantly,
but I'm having a little trouble creating steady streams of income off of it,
so I would be perfect to go to you then, yeah, h yeah.
And honestly, I encourage the individuals that I talked to and I built
that connection with, I encourage them to take me up on my free session
because at the end of the day, whether you work with me or not,
I want to help get you to that next level. So I always
promise anyone who does one of those sessions with me that they will leave with
either a tool, like an actual tool that they can go research and see
if it works for them, or an insight that es their mindset and shifts
them into another way of thinking that they maybe, you know, haven't ever
in the past. Well, it looks like I'm gonna have to sign up
for a couple of pre sessions at least to see how that goes, because
I'm telling you know, literally, I mean, I'm out front and about
transparency here. I've got little difficulties with this, and it's it is the
only struggle that's left. I mean, the rest of it. I'm happy
with the way a lot of things are running. Like I said, I've
educated myself about a great many things with a little bit of help from some
friends. You know I've got a visual issue, so they had to be
a little more patient with me to teach me how to broadcast, how to
build a website, this kind of thing. But but I got that far
and now I just need these little connective tissues to make it all really flow,
you know. And I'm doing okay, but I know that I could
be doing a lot better. So that's the kind of thing where I think
I should probably step in. And I'm using myself as an example here to
give people an idea, but I really want to get into this cybin.
How does this work into it? Is this part of it? Or is
this a separate story? In all transparency, I am asking myself that same
question because a lot of the insights um that came to me from my most
recent much room experience I used in the business model that I made today.
But when I try and talk about them both, I maybe lack the marrying
terms necessary. Um. It just kind of seems like I talk about philocybin,
but I'm known for business advising, and so marrying the two together I
haven't. I haven't had that opportunity this. Honestly, this is my first,
like real opportunity to have to like really marry them together. Okay,
well, let's do it in real time here in front of the public,
right and see how it goes. Yeah, what the hell? I don't
believe in nets um all right anyway, so let's go for it, all
right. What was Look, I had a serious issue when I was searching
for a solution. Okay, common problem, right, anybody who's got,
you know, an issue that's chronic, and for me it was PTSD.
I didn't know how to relate to anybody about it. U talk therapy.
I had tried it when I was younger, but it was really not very
successful and I was just doing my best to cope with it. Right,
So I discovered that they had made, you know, some interesting progress with
people regarding ptsdu I said, your issue is not necessarily PTSD. Maybe we
could start with what your issue was. And obviously you're an intelligent person.
You're somebody who can organize your your thoughts and things like this. You're you're
clearly somebody who knows how to be productive. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to
teach other people how to be productive, right, So how about this?
What was the problem that caused you to seek this solution that becomes psilocybin in
the first place. Yeah, I was diagnosed with bipolar two when I was
fourteen. Okay, So for those of you who don't know, bipolar two
is different from bipolar one. So with bipolar one, the main distinction is
that people with bipolar two depression. Their depressive symptoms are longer. So an
example would be someone who's bipolar one. They will have these long stints of
mania where they're spending money that they don't have. They may be sexually promiscuous,
They're just what you think of when you call someone bipolar. It's it's
usually it looks a lot like that. But their depressive episodes, their lows
after their highs usually are shorter. But with people who have bipolar two,
we have what's called hypo mania, and so with that our extremes maybe don't
go as far. So for me, I have like these moments where I
feel like I have a bunch of energy and I can you know, I
can do anything, I can whatever I put my mind to. I have
that that optimistic glow about me. I'm listening to music. I enjoy my
streoms honestly a lot better when I'm in a hypomanic spaces. It's something that
people with bipolar to look forward to. Honestly, if it's not an extreme,
like you're doing really wild things, people look forward to it. I've
seen Reddit threads where people are like, how can I trigger my hypomania?
Because the other side of bipolar too, when you're not having a hypomanic episode,
is that you are depressed. You don't want to move Like I had
days where I literally was just staring at a spot on the floor and I
knew that I should have gotten up because I have a daughter and a family
and a business, but I honestly all my heart and wanted to do in
those moments, which is lay there and look at that spot on the floor
and just like seek into nothingness. And I would be that way for weeks,
and I you know, and when it wasn't that, it was just
irritability and symptoms. So the climb and crash that most people would associate with
the bipolar sort of general description. What you're saying is that when you do
climb, you don't necessarily climb to the same heights, because if you're saying
it's hypomania, then that means it's under or below your what people would generally
understand a mania, and then your crashes. Again, I call it the
climb and crash. It's the best way I can do it, because I
remember reading about manic depression when I was much younger, and manic depression function
this way too, That's what they used to call it before they introduced this
term bipolar. You know, your crash is just last longer, is what
you're saying. But maybe you don't get into the extreme extremes of the highs.
Also, is that correct? That? Okay? All right, No,
just trying to make sure I understand. So this obviously was was interfering
with your consistency right like where you want it to be. You know,
fairly, you want to be reliable. You want to be consistent in business,
in life. As a parent. I'm also a parent, so you
know, uh, one thing is even if you're sick, even if you're
tired, even if you're depressed. Quite frankly, the kids are still the
kids and you still gotta do what you gotta do. So you know,
whether you feel like not wanting to pick your head up off the pillow or
off the floor or whatever, there's still things to be done. So you
have to face that and drag yourself through that a lot of times, or
you surrender and you become, you know, an absentee almost one way or
another. Now, I've suffered from depression, so I understand this. Again.
Mine was more linked to the PTSD kind of situation, and I suffered
from what they called a dyspymac depression for a while, where you know,
I just had a low grade but consistent depression and that was a constant.
Either way, these things are exhausting, and that's really what it came down
to for me is I was unable to sleep. At the end of it,
I was unable to find any comfort anywhere, and that was it.
I was just exhausted, and I would say for a couple of years,
I was unable to get consistent sleep or find comfort of any kind. And
it's got nothing to do with the people around me or anything else. It
was all an internal problem. So I'm guessing because again I didn't experience precisely
what you did, but I'm guessing that it's a similar kind of experience where
you're sort of stuck within yourself and it's draining to have to constantly deal with
this uh, pressure upon you. I mean I described carrying around PTA has
sort of like having somebody continuously throw wet wool blankets on me, and uh,
you know, after a while, you can't move because there's just too
much weight on you. I think you're describing a similar sort of circumstance here,
although you might use different descriptors. Is that really Yeah? That sounds
about right? Yeah. Okay, well, so you're in that position.
It's clearly bothering you. And and then what did you start to did somebody
show you an article? Did you just while doing research on something else encounter
this or what was the what was the moment there the catalyst that brought about
your awareness of the possibility of using uh psychedelics for any sort of good in
this area? Yeah? Um. It was actually my best friend, so
we um we would travel together to California, Oregon, and she would always
ask about mushrooms, Like where ever we went that was like away she'd be
like, do have magic mushrooms? Because we would go to like dispensaries and
things, and we finally found someone who had mushrooms and I had you know,
I was into the cannabis, so I was like, this is what
we're here for, Like you're asking about mushrooms. I don't even know what
you're talking about right now. And so we finally found someone who had them,
and then it was like, okay, well, now I got to
do some research on them, because if I'm gonna try these, and I
gotta know kind of what I'm up against. I couldn't even tell you what
articles I read that led me to just believe that, you know, it
was I honestly, when I found them, I didn't know that they could
be used to treat depression. That information came later after my first experience,
like because I kind of babied it my first time, like, I I
know, we're not, you know, using quantities or anything like that.
But it was very It was very minimal because I only knew what I had
seen on TV, so I played it very safe. It was a very
meditative experience, no hallucinogens, I didn't hear anything. It wasn't crazy anything
like that. And so but the insights that I that I happened upon during
that experience, I was like, Oh, this could be something. So
I did research. I got really interested into mushrooms and I started micro dosing
one summer just to kind of see if maybe like micro dosing on a consistent
basis would help me. I didn't know what I was doing. I ended
up stopping. And then as my business grew and I learned more about like
psilocybin from just it being out there in the world, getting article alerts from
Google and things like that, I happened upon this Red Table Talk episode,
which Red Table Talk is the show with Jada Pinkett Smith and she like talks
with her mom and her family about you know, controversial topics a lot of
the times, and so pilfiding was one of them. Well, this is
interesting. I mean, let's talk about your mindset though just a little bit.
Uh, you know, was this a recreational thing like I just want
to I just want to get high, or were you thinking I want to
feel better. I think this could make me feel better. I mean,
because you stated that you had already attempted, you know, cannabis, and
I have chronic pain. I tried to use cannabis for chronic pain. Did
not work for me and it but I do advocate for its use. I
think it's I think it's one of those things that can be used. But
I think we're all individuals, and maybe not everybody is predisposed for its use,
or maybe you're you are predisposed for its use, but it's not in
the same way that somebody else is. Like I don't like to like I'll
smoke a little, but not a lot, you know. And uh,
I don't use it for pain because it's not effective. But it did help
to take the edge off of some of the emotional issues. And it works
differently for everybody. I think we were all you know, we are all
individuals, so nothing is precisely the same, no matter what the chemical makeup
is, no matter what the plant's nature is, no matter what you know.
So but I went into it with a mindset of not recreation at all.
This was a big roll of the dice thing for me, and I
went in the other direction that you did. I didn't go with safety.
I said, you know, what the hell with safety? Trying to play
safe and trying to be you know, easy about it is not getting me
anywhere. I went for the more extreme use of it. And I'm not
saying that I advised that to anybody. I'm just telling you that it worked
for me. But other people have told me that it works in the micro
dosing and stuff like that. What was your mindset going in though? Was
it more like I just want to feel better or did you have a serious
intent to use it therapeutically or was it like, screw this, I just
want to get high so I don't feel the things I'm feeling. I mean,
which you know, I think those are three separate mindsets are What are
your thoughts there? Yeah, So the very first time that I did mushrooms,
it was very much I've never done magic mushrooms, and I kind of
want to see what's happening, so it's very much recreational, just wanting to
see what was happening. I played it small, so I wasn't expecting to
get high, but I did have some insights. But what really taught me
about its therapeutic use was when I after the Red Table talk, I went
looking for clinical trials and literally the stars aligned because I found a trial in
Maryland at Shephard Pritte, which is in Baltimore. I'm in College Park,
so it's like a forty fifty minute drive something like that, and it was
for my exact diagnosis, which context for like ten years I was in denial
about even having bipolar too, Like I was like, no, I'm just
depressed, Like I know my file says bipolar, but like I'm not actually
bipolar. I'm just depressed because I didn't really see myself doing like the wild
you know, hyphomania things, and I definitely didn't see myself doing manic things.
And so I had just come to acceptance with my diagnosis like six months
before I found the trial. So for my exact trial close to me,
I applied, and that that trial is really what taught me, you know,
about the preparation, the intention setting, how your mindset has to be
in the right area, making sure that you're not on anything mind altering so
that you really can die fully into the experience. I had to stop smoking
for three months because I have my medical marijuana card and I use it to
help me sleep. It's like the only thing that gets me to sleep and
keeps me asleep. And I just stopped smoking for three months in order to
qualify for the trial. So it was very much medicinal. Did it involve
talk therapy before and during or was it one or the other time? Because
I've read about a couple of different trials here for different types of depression.
I don't remember reading the exact one on bipolar two, but I've read a
bunch of the studies too and did that before I did what I did,
and I saw the potential for it with all types of depression. I mean,
it just seemed to go across the board. So it was like,
well, depression, it's certainly seems to have some effect on that, according
to the clinical trials, and again according to testimonies of just friends who said,
look, you know what, I didn't go to a clinical trial.
I just did this and I took all that in as best they could.
So you were sort of doing this and you got lucky to find, you
know, somebody that would a place where they were conducting a trial near you
and you could go and be in a completely controlled environment. Then yeah,
So the trial was fifteen weeks total, and it included talk there before because
you had to meet your dosing therapists beforehand so that when you're you know,
the dosing experience is a three day thing. So they let me do quite
a few of the meetings virtually. But there were someone's like drug testing,
for example, to make sure that you're not on anything mind altering that had
to be in person. So and then of course when I met with my
dosing therapists, oftentimes it was in person. But the three day experience itself,
that's in person. So you go the day before they drug test you
one last time they have you meet with the dosing therapists. They take you
down to the actual room that you're going to be in so you can like
familiarize yourself with the space. They let me put the headphones on, listen
to the playlist a little bit so that I would, you know, be
kind of familiar with that as well, and it wouldn't just be like this
brand new experience nerves and everything. The day of the day of I pretty
much went to sleep just to get up and go trip, because they did
it early in the morning. It was like eight in the morning is when
I actually took the capsules. They found a way to synthetically take out the
psilocybin out of the mushroom and put it into these five little, ittyq teeny
tiny capsules. And then the day after you go in person to talk with
your therapists and unpack the experience, and then you meet after that, like
you know, on a semi scheduled basis to unpack and continue to put those
insights into your life. Okay, well, did you get any input on
the playlist or did they have pre selected sound for you to you know,
engage in, because I know I had a heightened sense of sound when I
did this, and by the way, I tried the synthetic you know,
stuff on the street when I was a kid and all that, and did
not gain any good insights out of it. I had a terrible time actually,
So you know, for me, I was walking into this like,
I don't care if it melts my brain. This has to change, was
my attitude, as the circumstance I was in must change, and I didn't
care if it destroyed my brain. It has to be done because I can't
live like this anymore, you know. So I was in that state of
mind, but the music was very important, and I found that different types
of music that I enjoy. I enjoy all types normally, but different types
of music allowed for different experiences. Did you have any sort of input on
that or did they pre select your playlists? Yeah, no, there's no
input on it whatsoever. It's a very scientific They developed the playlist with science
so that it rises when it knows that you might be feelings to euphoria and
those like you know, happy feelings, and it you know, drops to
less beats per minute when you're in that more introspective space. They don't even
let you know, like what's on the playlist, Like if I wanted to
just meditate with some of the songs to like take me back to the eperience,
they don't. It's very controlled. But however, right there is a
John Hopkins playlist on Spotify that is very close to the one that they use
in the John Hopkins trial. And I had the privilege on much first to
give it a go and see, you know, if it was kind of
the same experience. And I can attest that the songs do take you on
the as I like to comment on the song journeys, the same way that
they do in the trial experience. Okay, so how about we describe a
little bit of that, give people an idea what that was like because you
came in, I mean, were you suffering from an active sort of depressive
state when you went in or what was your mindset when you went in?
I mean it might have been still a little nervous about it, or this
is gonna be weird. I'm kind of handing myself over to people. They're
going to keep me in a room for three days. You might have an
odd attitude about it. What was what was your your your mindset like going
into the experience the first time? Um, I wasn't super nervous. Um
just because I had had recreational experiences before, so I knew nothing like crazy
was going to happen. But UM, I was kind of, you know,
like some stuff like when I went in, Um, I wasn't sure
how it was going to work. I had never set intention and so um
for context, the intention that I set for myself that time was to be
a little less hard on myself because I was very much and still kind.
I am sometimes like type A, like everything has to be perfect if I
make it to do list, everything has to get cross off of it that
day, because what are we doing to do list for? And I was
just really hard on myself and in setting intention m I actually was able to
gain some self compassion that still serves me to this day. Excellent. Okay,
so let's talk about that and coming back into you know, look for
three days, you obviously weren't going to try and conduct any business while you're
in the hospital room or you know, the clinical room whatever. So you
know, it's just one day. Yeah, it's just one Okay, that
might have been confusing. You go there the day before for a few hours.
The day they keep you for eight hours because they legally have to.
You get to go home in like journal and stuff, and then you go
back the next day. Oh okay, okay, I thought they kept you
for three days. I'm sorry, um, all right now, well hey,
look, you know it is possible that they could run you know,
a series of these on you for three days. I don't know what the
technique is in this particular situation. For me, I did it like I
broke broke it up by like a week at a time, and did three
sessions, uh you know, one week after the other on a particular day
when I would make sure that I could cleared everything away. I had nothing
else that I would have to do for at least four hours before and eight
hours after and during the time obviously. Okay, yeah, like this was
my organizational principle, but they did it differently. Okay, fair enough.
So what do you come out of it with? I mean, look the
day after or whatever or the follow ups. Okay, let's unpack what it
is that you were experiencing personally, because only you are in your own head
at that you know at that time, So how did you how did you
relate to it afterwards? I mean, what was your feeling on it?
How did you take that forward and then sort of rejoin the world so to
speak. Yeah, the things that I had gained out of the clinical trial
experience, because like I said, I did a recreation and that gave me
different insights. But the clinical trial experience. Best self compassion is one of
those things that like I sort of have a mantra, but it's more like
a silent mantra, and it's not anything fancy. It's literally just go with
the float. Because I was keeping myself to these ridiculous timetables of trying to
get things done in like really short amounts of time because I'm an entrepreneur and
I want to do it all. So I was setting myself up with these
like really really steep timetables and so to literally just have moments where I think
to myself, no one else knows what you're doing, but you like,
no one's expecting this, like just literally have those conversations with myself and tell
me that it's okay. Like I'm doing a lot as it is. People
all the time tell me how busy I am. But it's one of those
things where like you can know you're busy and feel like you're not getting anything
done. But this is like knowing I'm busy and knowing that I'm moving towards
the right direction. And that's so helped. Another really powerful insight that I
got was to spend time, spend more time with my daughter. I had
this moment in the trip where it was like weird, we shifted perspectives a
couple of times, so like I became her, like I was in her
like child's body, and then I was like somehow like outside looking at her,
and she was like crying out for me to like play with her,
Like that's all she wanted was just for her to like have someone to play
with. And I remember the time in my childhood when I just because I
grew up an only child and I really just wanted somebody to play with me,
and my mom was gone, like for her, I'm in the I'm
in the you know, I'm in the house because it's a home office,
so she thinks I'm available, I want to play, but like my mom
was gone, so like I remember vividly like wanting someone to play with and
not having anyone. And so when I had that experience where I was her
and then I was looking at her whatever, it's weird in that, you
know, psychedelic space. And I made a point in myself like to make
time for her, Like even if I just stopped work for thirty minutes and
just spend a little time with her, She's going to remember those times more
than like whatever dream that I'm like working to build where we get to like
spend a whole day together, Like that's the dream where we have more than
one day where we spend hours with each other. But the thirty minute sessions
count two. So those are just like a couple of the ones. And
I just the the meditation, because I do sometimes meditate. It helps keep
them close. But honestly, I think the thing that's kept the insights close
to me is that So, like I said, I stopped smoking for the
trial because they didn't want you on anything mind altering. As soon as they
said there were no more drug tasks. I went immediately back to smoking so
that I could get some quality sleep. And so they when I you know,
when it came to the can, they asked me if I had added
any medicines to my regimen, and I told them I had started smoking cannabis
again. They were worried because cannabis is a depressant. So I'm now effectively
putting back the thing that I feel curative into my body. And so I
was like, no, no, no, no, because I'm still going
to smoke because I value the sleep that I get in need as an entrepreneur,
but I will microdose. And so now I'm microdose four times a week.
And so I think that that that constant, just even in a minimal
way, that activation of the dormant serotonin receptors and the fact that microdocing helps
you connect new neural pathways, I'm able to really retain the insights and even
things from like way back when that I even forgot, I learned. I'm
able to retain and pull information from these places, these wells within my own
brain. Well, look, I'm going to take a little break with you
here and we'll will just settle back for a moment with the information you've given
us so far. But I want to close this segment just real fast with
one last question, which is m and your opinion is what I'm looking for
here. I think that, look, you you have found a path.
And I think that this could be helpful to a lot of people. And
they might say to themselves, oh what now I'm on something else that I
got to take all the time. Maybe not. I'm thinking that, you
know, others might find it valuable to use it differently even and there might
be multiple ways which somebody could apply it. Now, why do I say
this because my application is nothing like yours, And I know it was helpful,
and I take your word that it was helpful for you. Also.
Cannabis, I wouldn't say is always a depressant, you know. I know
that's the way they classify it, but you know, not necessarily. Everybody's
a little different and slightly different strains do different things to different people and different
amounts. And you know, again, I'm one of these guys who takes,
like, you know, two hits off of a joint, and I'm
good, that's line. I see other people, you know, they they
smoke. God, what I wouldn't smoke over the course of eight months when
they go, you know, and they do that in a night, and
I go, WHOA. Okay, But I'm not saying that they're wrong.
I'm not saying anybody's wrong. Matter of fact, I think that since we
are all individuals, we can all find a way to utilize this, and
it is natural. It is a good thing. I mean, I know
you use the you know, the artificial one that they developed and put into
a pill, but not me. I just had the you know, just
straight up shrooms, these things, some of these things. Everybody is an
individual, so the way that you're applying it or the way that I'm applying
it might not necessarily be the same for every So you know, somebody else
might find something a completely different way of utilizing it than what you're describing or
what I've described in the past. Um, I want to get to the
core of what it does when we come back, if you don't mind,
But what is your opinion about that? Do you think I'm right that I'm
saying, you know, basically, everybody needs to customize this, uh for
their own purposes. Uh and uh and and what are your thoughts on that?
Oh? Yeah, you have to make it your own. Like if
I if I didn't smoke, who knows, I might not need to microdose
as much. But what I know is that it acts. It does the
same thing as an antidepressant, except you don't feel numb. That's what I
know. No, definitely, and that's that's the one thing about that.
God I hate pharmaceutical companies. I hate all that stuff, and I gotta
tell you, I find most of it to be poisonous. I know there
are some people that need it, but man, I think that we can
all find a much better path through much more natural solutions when it comes to
the issues that we face. Diamond Rip is with me. We're going to
tell you more about where to find her online again and continue on with this
discussion about her experience with psilocybin. As the o'celli effect continues. Stick around
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Diamond drip Um. Now, she did say you can go find her on
LinkedIn. That's a nice, easy responsive place for but also Diamond drip.
What is the website's proper name? I know I have a bookmarked, but
what is the u website address? Again? For sure, it's Diamond Drip
Consulting dot com. Diamond Drip Consulting dot com. See, I didn't want
to say it and screw it up, So good Diamond Drip Consulting dot com.
And uh again. You know she's got a primary business. But we
are focused on the psilocybin issue here, so let's let's take it forward.
Um, all right, we've we've talked about the clinical trial. We've talked
about what you've done afterwards, returning to smoking the cannabis or taking cannabis again
one way. I don't know. Maybe you do the gummies. I don't
know, but I smoke a little now and then I find that some of
the edibles are a little bit too much. Sometimes they hang around too long.
So you know, I like the very temporary. I just take take
a couple of drags off a joint and I'm good. But look, forget
about me. Let's take this forward. So you get some new insights,
you get some stuff going here, you get a little bit of after therapy,
etc. They're concerned depressive all right, all of that is what it
is. Now you go home, you rejoin your life, You're you're gonna
go forward, You're gonna continue with your business. Now, how do you
take this experience into your business practices and how do you take it into the
rest of your life. I mean, you talked about your daughter a little
bit, and uh, look, my whole experience is way different because I
had to go through a lot of ugliness that I was really suppressing brutally.
You know, you're not doing that. You're looking for or positive answers.
I at first had to like purge myself of a bunch of horrible things.
Again PTSD. I had it for a reason. I've had it since childhood,
you know. And I'm not talking about this this new clinical description of
it. I'm talking about I was first diagnosed with it, and I want
to say nineteen eighty three, okay, and yeah, So I carried that
around with very little treatment, very little anything not good, long long time.
Tried to self medicate all different ways, but that required a clearing out
of a bunch of just terrible garbage. Now you had a depression that was
hanging on you, and now maybe you feel it lifted, because why did
you lose control of something? Did you gain control of something? What really
happened? How would you describe that? Yeah, I would say that the
insights in terms of like the self compassion, they hit harder. So with
what it helped me gain, it was like a weight had been lifted,
Like all of my how hard I am on myself, all of the extra
pressure that I put on myself. When I get in self compassion, that
just lessened. It felt like I could breathe. I remember when I was
going to get my daughter after workout. I had microdose that day and it
was a sunny day. I was actually able to enjoy the sun on my
face as I drove to pick up my daughter. The second main thing that
it did, in addition to the self compassion was it helped me step outside
of my ego and into empathy. When you microdose, when you go through
a hero dose, which is whatever they say it is, I think it's
like five grands or something like that. When you go through an experience with
magic mushrooms, your default mode network it lessons and you're able to feel That's
why people report feeling like a connectedness, why they feel like they want to
go hug a tree and they feel the life like your ego lessons, and
you're able to really connect in a way that you never could, whether that's
with other people, whether that's with the universe, like you're just able to
connect on a different level. And so especially in my business, because a
lot of what I do is giving entrepreneurs the confidence to really step forward as
the best, as the best, most passionate selves in their business. Like
that requires me to have a certain level of empathy and understanding for what it
is that they're going through. Well, let me let me run this by
you then, because I'm now hearing a commonality. I've contrasted you in me
a bit, but now I'm hearing a commonality here, and you're wording it
differently than I would. So let me just see if we can come together
on this. You know, I felt as though, all right, whether
it's depression or it's PTSD, or it's bipolar. Look, there are certain
things that are not caused by you, okay, that are part of either
you know, a chemical situation or an experiential situation that is weighing upon you.
These are not things that are within your control. But as you attempt
to cope with them. A lot of times you create things, you add
pressure to yourself, you make it worse. Really, I mean, this
is just one of the things that people do when they have a chronic condition
like this, that that affects them emotionally. Okay, that's my opinion,
but you know, maybe maybe you think I'm wrong. But one of the
first things to lift away in my mind, which by the way, did
weigh access of a hero dose first time. But anyway, the thing was
that the first thing that I was able to remove was the things that I
would was doing that were sabotaging me personally, me sabotaging myself. Now this
is not something that most people do knowingly, but I had the ability to
see that I was doing that and I could work against it. And I
also felt that connectivity. And anybody who's observed me said that, you know,
look, you were expressing almost no emotion before in a lot of personal
situations. Now it's like, you know, you can again. And I
felt that as well. I felt a freedom. But the first thing that
I got set free from in my mind is those things that I was doing
that were pretty much you know, knee cap I was knee capping myself.
I was causing problems for myself on top of what was coming at me that
again i'm not responsible for. I didn't cause, but I was adding to
it. Did you find that you were able to subtract that? Is that
what you mean by being an empathy and you know, being more understanding and
forgiving of yourself this kind of sentiment. Is that what you mean by that?
Or am I misunderstand? No, you're understanding? Okay, okay,
well then see now that's a huge thing. A lot of people don't realize
they're sabotaging themselves. They're actually causing the effect from whatever it is. Again,
it could be whatever. However you want to categorize it. Go to
the DSM and give yourself ten different terms. It's irrelevant. The thing is
is that a lot of times people add to the problem h and they don't
realize they're adding to the problem themselves because now they're getting down on themselves.
For most simple thing is you're mad at yourself for being depressed. So now
you're pissed off and you're like giving yourself crap about this is ridiculous. I
can't believe that I'm letting I don't even know why this is happening. There's
no reason for me to be depressed. Why am I depressed? Now,
that's a lot of energy that you're sinking into getting down on yourself for being
depressed, or for being angry, or for being on guard, or for
being closed off or whatever it is. And you're adding to the situation.
And I'm not just saying you diamond drip. I'm saying you know the general
you right, Isn't this one of the things that all of a sudden,
quite frankly, as soon as you begin to experience those effects, you could
much more clearly recognize that that is something that you are. Like the part
you're doing to yourself, what do you think? Yeah, you are.
You're able to notice a lot about yourself, Like even now when there's I
consider myself curative depression. But my polartryo was a hormonal imbalance in the brain,
and once a month I get an influx of hormones into my body and
so I go back into what feels like depression. I'm irritable, I'm depressed.
I don't feel like doing anything, and I'm able to because I'm micro
doos in these spaces I'm able to catch moments where I lash out a little
bit more over something that maybe my daughter did, and I go, wait,
you just kind of overreacted a little bit. You might want to recheck
how you handle that. And it allows you to notice, you know,
just little small, subtle things because you are so connected. Like I guess
I'm connected to her energy change. Right if I'm irritated and I yell and
then she's happy and then I feel something shift. I was connected to that,
so I calm down and I'm able to if it was something that I
yelled about, like picking something up off the floor, I'll you know,
I'll say something like an empathy. I understand that I probably startled you a
little bit, but Mommy was frustrated because I asked you to pick this up
off the floor four times and this is now the fifth time that I'm walking
past this. So I was a little frustrated and she's able to understand that.
Yes, I got mad, but we're good. You just were frustrated,
right See, I had the the over Okay, maybe you don't know
do you know anything about PTSD at all? Yeah? Okay, so I
had, uh, the the overreaction rage responses sometimes. Right. I was
the kind of guy who could stub his toe and then put his hand through
the wall because I stubbed my toe on the on the door jam, right,
Um. And it's not because I'm a violent person by nature. It
was an automatic response. Um. Immediately I got controlled. But I had
no control over that. I'm telling you now that that was something that just
used to It was like a reflex, right um. And you'll find that
sometimes there's combative natures that people end up with with the PTSD. Uh,
it's a self defense mechanism. I know it is. And I understood all
that psychologically, still could not prevent myself from auto reacting in that way.
Right. Um. With this experience, though, I was able to gain
a perspective on it. It all of a sudden I got control over it.
It just came to me that I was able to control it. Now
that sounds really obvious and stupid. Of course, you can control yourself stupid,
Yeah, I know, But I'm telling you not from inside where I
was sitting could I see that Until I was able to kind of see all
the way around, you know what I mean? And I understood that I
was overreacting. To things, and yeah, I've had things come up since
where it's like, you know what, I would get angry, but I'm
not going to. And I have a choice about that now a lot more
than I used to. That's an interesting piece of control. And yeah,
you're you're more empathetic and you're feeling out, You're you're clearly able to have
a heightened sense of everything with this. And so I want to know,
and you know, because we're going towards just about the end of where our
discussion is going to be for tonight, maybe we'll revisit this on another show,
I'll invite you back, but I want to take it a little further.
And again, you know, talk about your your business because you've obviously
you know, okay, you talked about how to integrate it with interacting with
children. And look again, uh, they're all individuals too, So you
know, no matter what your advice column says, it might not apply,
depending as your child is not the child they're writing about in the advice column.
But look, you gain your own way and you figure it out your
own way, as per the way that you have to as a parent anyhow.
But let's put that parenting part aside. It's not that it's not important,
it's just I want to go somewhere else. How did you apply this
to business? How did it change the way you were doing business or interacting
with others who maybe are not, you know, so emotionally tied to you.
But but but in another way, you know what they're they're important too
because where they're part of your livelihood, they're part of what happens um you
know, what about that part of it? How did you take it further
from a business standpoint? And how did you come back in with those new
insights? You keep using the word insights. How did you take those insights
and apply them business wise? Oh? Wow? So my last trip,
one of the things that I went in knowing was bugging me. Didn't expect
it to come up in the trip, but it did. I had a
really great open rate on my emails like it was in the sixties, which
is really good. But people weren't clicking that conversion for why they even opened
the email in the first place. They weren't doing it, And so it
came up in a trip for me, and I really had to get honest
with myself and I was like, could you're not giving them a reason too.
So I reworked my entire new marketing sequence, which included videos to build
connection with people, because what I was doing before was giving them like regurgitated
information from like Google and stuff because I was scared and being selfish whatever my
entrepreneur mind was, and I didn't want to give too much away. And
so in this new marketing that I do, I lead with value first,
because that's going to be the thing that people resonate with. They're not going
to resonate with the fact that you said that they need to create a budget,
that they need to have a business plan, like they're going to resonate
with you walking them through what's a lean canvas because it's much easier to do
one of those in a fifteen page business plan. So in the way that
I operate, leading with value instead of being in that like scarcity mindset,
like if I give too much away, then like what will they buy?
Like, no, you have so much to give. And so even with
that, it came a little bit of that like self compassion that like I
used to be really hard on myself about even my value, and so that
comes into play. But honestly, it's one of those things where because I
am just so looking to build connection with other people. At the beginning in
the show, I offers a passion met strategy break for your call, and
I'll plan to follow up with you with that link in an email, because
I honestly want to help every single person that I talked to, whether they
choose to work with me or not, because connection is what the world is
missing a little bit, and we're only getting worse with AI. So connecting
with other humans, that definitely was something that it really became really clear to
me that I need to really connect with people. See but right there,
that's your connective tissue. That's the thing that you're missing because the bottom line
is, whether it's business or it's personal relationships, right, it's about the
interaction. It's about how you present and how you receive things if you're really
truly interacting with people. And yes, indeed, with social media and with
AI and all this other stuff, we have all this artificiality built around everything
nowadays, and the commerce, whether it's emotional or it's financial, the commerce
that goes on now is through all of these different filters. If you can
make that more organic and realize that look the way that you lead with value
like you do in a relationship. Right, what do you do Let's just
say you know you're dating, even what do you want to do? You
want to put up your best first impression, you know what I'm saying.
And the way that you do that and the way that you come to a
clear understanding right off the bat in a relationship. It usually leads to a
much clearer understanding in a relationship in whether it's business or it's personal. Right,
So the two things are actually the same. Obviously, you know,
dollars and cents is not the same as you know, the currency of emotion
per se, but they do work on similar principles. So why not that's
your connective tissue. That's the way I see it. I mean, that's
what I'm hearing from you as we go through this. So again, I
want to give you an opportunity though to tell people about your business what it
is you do. And you know, maybe we could revisit this at a
later date, but I'm thinking there's a lot of food for thought here because
I think it's very interesting to consider that whenever you're involved in exchanges, Okay,
whether you're exchanging you know, digital currency or again the emotional and almost
spiritual currency that you do in your personal life. I think that having clarity
about that and having full knowledge about the way that you're presenting the way that
you're interacting is the most important thing. You think I'm off base about this.
I don't think you're off because at all. So there we have it.
So Diamond Drip, Diamond Drip Consulting dot com. That's where they can
go. They find you on LinkedIn. Maybe you could email me some other
links and things. I'll put them in the show notes so you guys can
follow up with this discussion from tonight. I definitely want you guys to take
a look at and and by the way, just so you know, she
was on a list of over a hundred people that uh no, this is
true though, that over a hundred people signed up to be a guest on
the show, and I have only had about five of you so far.
And the only reason why I didn't get her sooner is because she was busy.
But that's that's the truth. But you know, only the most interesting
people do I want to bring forth to you guys, And I think Diamond
trip story is extremely interesting. It's a different methodology from where I visited the
you know the gift again that I believe that it's a gift. You know,
you want to talk about God, well, if look, I have
my differences with people about God and the Creator and the creation altogether. But
here's the thing. If there's stuff in nature that can provide us with a
better way to live, I see no reason why we should not engage with
it. Use it. You believe in your Bible? Fine, you know
what, all the plants on the earth, all the seeds, all this
stuff is here for you to use. And you only have to read Genesis
to find that out. And it doesn't matter if it's cannabis or if it
is the fungus that grows, because well, psilocybin is a mushroom. All
of these things are presented to us and gifted to us by Mother Earth,
God, whatever you want to call it, by the creation, no matter
who you think created it very simple, and I think we should all be
free to utilize these things and do it to live our best lives. Any
argument with me? There, Diamond Drip, no argument. So there you
have a Diamond Drip Consulting dot com and I want to thank you for coming
on and telling us and sharing this, sharing this part of your life with
us tonight. Hopefully someone will take away from this and decide that they might
have a solution insight for the things that they are suffering from. Because I
know, just interacting with people through emails, through occasional phone calls this kind
of stuff. Who listened to the show, I know that a lot of
us are suffering and to me, if there is a simple natural solution that
could provide us a pathway forward, we should take advantage of it. Diamond
Drift Consulting dot com Diamond Drift thanks so much for being on the Ocelli Effect
tonight. It was an honor. Thank you, and you guys, no
matter who you are, where you are, when you are, remember this.
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