WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.759 It's time to talks boys, time for the show. You hear this song 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:18.600 on the radio? Better fast, let me get that potograph. Sports Talk 3 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:27.679 Radio starting now. Let's go. What's up everybody, and welcome episode one 4 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:33.240 hundred and seventy seven. Up, let me get that potograph. As always, 5 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:36.359 my name is Drew the DH. You joined him an awesome co host, 6 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.039 mister Scott Rappa. Four. What's up, dude? Oh, what's 7 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:44.280 going on? Drew? Thank feeling I'm feeling better, a little bit better. 8 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.600 So we took we took last week off because Drew had a little surgery 9 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:52.840 done and uh he thought he was gonna be okay. Yeah, but you 10 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.960 know, like those things go uh nope, nope, no, far from 11 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.039 okay. Last Yeah, so, yes, we took last week off. 12 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:04.599 But that actually that kind of worked out because we've gotten a lot more insight 13 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:10.159 on some of the things we're going to talk about last week, and obviously 14 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.159 things have happened over the weekend and earlier this week that we are going to 15 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.719 be talking about which we would have talked about this weekend or this week anyway. 16 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:25.239 So yeah, so what we got on t apter, well, we 17 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.719 got a lot to talk about today, but I figured we start off with 18 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:33.680 the NBA All Star Game. All Star weekend just happened, um normally, 19 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:37.959 or at least the last couple of years, pretty forgettable. Uh, not 20 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.040 many people paid attention. If any more people would go on social media and 21 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.879 complain, then I think than actually watch anything. Yeah, but this weekend 22 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.680 a little bit different. Yeah, but I but I will say before we 23 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:57.599 get to the little bit different stuff. Um, the game itself was. 24 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.680 I mean, don't get me wrong, the All Star Game is always like 25 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.239 a ridiculously high scoring event. Nobody ever plays defense and all that kind of 26 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.240 stuff. But this was just I mean, I know it was like it 27 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:13.560 was unwatchable. No, it was. And I loved Nicola Joki's comment before 28 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.080 He's he said before the game started, he's like, this isn't my type 29 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:19.639 of game. He's like, so don't expect me to do good. And 30 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:23.879 he ended up with like four points, eight rebounds, like six assists because 31 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:28.520 he's not that flashy I'm gonna take the ball down and just chuck something up 32 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.599 all the time. Yet people, you had what Damian Lillard taken a half 33 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:36.960 court three pointer just because yeah, of course, and then you got and 34 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.240 then he got guys like Tatum who seemed to have seemed to take it seriously 35 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.319 and put up fifty five points. Yeah, him and Brown, they they 36 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:49.960 seemed to h relish in playing each other, Tatum putting up fifty five, 37 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.960 Brown putting up I think thirty eight or thirty nine, something like that. 38 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:58.840 And I understand the aspect of like, hey, we you know, this 39 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:00.479 is an exhibition game. You know, we don't want to go out there 40 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.680 and kill ourselves and get hurt because the rest of the season, you know, 41 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.240 still has to be played and things like that. So like I get 42 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.759 that, but at least make it look like you're trying to play defense, 43 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:15.719 right, No, when you when both teams almost put up two hundred, 44 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:21.520 I mean, I know HIMBA basketball games are high scoring. I still struggle 45 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.639 when I go to Place beps looking at the over unders being at two hundred 46 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:30.199 and thirty and it being a really smart idea, Like that's just weird to 47 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.039 me. Is someone that grew up When I mean in the late nineties early 48 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.919 two thousands of both teams hit over one hundred, it was like wow, 49 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.319 like okay, they were what was the what was the over underline on the 50 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:44.479 All Star Game? Oh? God, I don't know, probably four hundred. 51 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:46.240 I mean, it's got to be three fifty. It was definitely three 52 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:53.120 fifty plots. Yeah, which is which is just absolutely ridiculous. And it 53 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.080 ton't get me wrong, I love I love high scoring, I love you 54 00:03:55.120 --> 00:04:00.560 know, all kind stuff, but not when there's no defense exactly around, 55 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.400 like exactly. And that's that's my biggest issue with and like and back in 56 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:09.039 the day, like growing up as a kid watching the All Star Game. 57 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:13.319 Now, granted, the All Star Game has always been a little less defense, 58 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:15.560 but you had people. I mean, I think back to when Lebron 59 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.240 came into the league and he made his first All Star Game, him matching 60 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:24.160 up against Kobe, and they would do those one on one battles, like 61 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:29.959 you'd at least get a couple of minutes where legends are going at each other 62 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.600 and trying hard to you know, attack each other. This was just let 63 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.160 yeah, grew up the court, throw a flashy alley, no one trying 64 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.199 to block it, no one looking around. I mean, the no look 65 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.759 passes are cool, but when there's not one hand in the lane trying to 66 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.639 take the ball, how great is that pass? No, It's true, 67 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:51.519 I mean I grew up with the you know, the traditional East West format 68 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:56.800 the Ulstar game. You know, where you had Jordan and Larry Bird teamed 69 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.839 up together, you know, Magic Johnson and Karl Malone and stocked In and 70 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.120 you know, and those guys, and it's like, this is like, 71 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.040 I'm not a fan. I'd rather have it, Honestly, I'd rather have 72 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.279 it East West than have that whole draft thing. I would love to see 73 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.639 the East West just for the simple fact I'd like to see how many points 74 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.839 the West would put up against the East right now. But I also think 75 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:23.600 you'd have more competition. I think that people might play a little bit harder, 76 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.160 and you would have these matchups that you don't see. I really don't 77 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:32.319 like the team Captain draft format, although I will say I did like it 78 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.920 this year for my bank account, because betting on Jannis to hit the under 79 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:42.920 on his points was a guarantee. And thank you for playing two minutes and 80 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:45.839 leaving, Buddy, I appreciate that I lost. I'm gonna tell you I 81 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:50.879 lost a massive parlay on the Bucks Bulls game before the All Star break because 82 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.759 Jannis got hurt. YEP, it would have been better for me if he 83 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.920 hadn't have played right have been there, would have just dropped the parlay from 84 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.319 five to four exactly. It would avoided out his line, and you know, 85 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.399 everything would have been great. I literally hit I think it was like 86 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:12.000 twelve different twelve legs in the parlay, and I hit all of them except 87 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:17.079 for the two legs involving Yannis, which he would have probably easily hit against 88 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:19.959 the bulls. And that's that's why I think it was like, I think 89 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.800 it was like thirty, you know, thirty plus points and I think it 90 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:27.319 was like eight plus rebounds or something like That's that's easy. Yeah, against 91 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.639 the bulls. Yes, and he it just killed me. Now. But 92 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.639 here's here's the other question. You know, the captains of the team, 93 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:40.040 it's basically a popularity contest, and I mean, when was the last time 94 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:46.399 that it wasn't Lebron and Jannis. I couldn't tell you. I honestly couldn't 95 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:48.959 tell you. And that comes for two reasons. One, I didn't pay 96 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:54.120 I don't pay that much attention to the game. I'm more interested in the 97 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.040 Saturday night stuff, the skills skills competition, right, the three point skill 98 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.759 slam dunk thing like that, which will touch on in just a few obviously, 99 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:08.040 then the game like the game, I don't know it as soon as 100 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:13.600 it became like the Pro Bowl with flags like that, it's just I don't 101 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:17.000 want to watch it, Like it's not fun. Like I already know these 102 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:25.079 guys are insanely talented. I already know that John Morant can throw insane behind 103 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.279 the back no look passes, blah blah blah. I already know Tatum can 104 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.199 score fifty five if he wants to. I don't need to see it with 105 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.920 a bunch of guys standing around. Yeah, I I totally get that. 106 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:38.120 And I mean, let's be honest, even before they took the you know, 107 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.319 they took the real football out of the Pro Bowl. When was the 108 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.600 last time you actually watched the Pro Bowl? Right? No? No, 109 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.839 I agree. But the sad thing is is when you look at players, 110 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:54.800 and we look back on retired players, one of the things they always go 111 00:07:54.959 --> 00:08:01.680 to is all NBA teams championships, your individual accolade, and then all Star 112 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.399 accomplishments. Yeah, are they really accomplishments anymore? No? No, they're 113 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.360 really not. And frankly, you know what I would love to see so 114 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.879 during the all during the All Star weekend. We have, we have the 115 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.279 different skills competitions, We've got the futures games you've got, and then you've 116 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.279 got the main All Star game. You know what, I would love to 117 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.800 see. This would be entertaining as hell if the NBA could put this together. 118 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.360 In addition to all of that, I'd like to add something to it. 119 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.720 Sure, I would like to see Hall of Fame game that get Yes, 120 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.120 you get Hall of famers who you know, and I'm sure there'll be 121 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.960 willing and don't get me wrong, this will be it'll be a slower game. 122 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:41.879 It'll be a game where you know, there's not going to be a 123 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.679 lot of defense played and things like that. Because these guys are older. 124 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.679 You know, you may see a seventy year old guy out on the court. 125 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.480 I don't know, Charles Oakley if he got pulled on the team. 126 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:56.240 You might see Oakley trying body somebody still. Um no, that's true, 127 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.360 And I think, um who would be the oldest guy they would probably get 128 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.720 as Robert pair are still alive, dude, Yeah, if he's still I 129 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:05.320 mean, I'm sure he would go. I'm sure he would go. Um. 130 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.919 But you know, I would love to see the Hall a Hall of 131 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:15.080 Fame game, you take, you take Hall of Fame players, put them 132 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.080 back out on the court, and you could do it as a draft. 133 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:20.559 Yeah, you know, there's no question about that. You'd have like MJ 134 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.799 and Magic could be the captain, could be the Captain's draft. Or if 135 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.000 you really want to do it, you get a couple of guys that wouldn't 136 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:33.159 necessarily play, but would manage the team. So you'd get like Kareem and 137 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.759 maybe Jerry Jerry West. Yeah, to you know, to come and manage 138 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.399 and draft and you know, let you know, let the guys who were 139 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.399 in there, you know, forties, fifties and sixties play the game. 140 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.720 That would be That would be a lot of fun to watch. I think 141 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.559 you would. Actually, I think you'd sell more tickets to that than you 142 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.720 would for the normal All Star game. No, I agree, I think 143 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.840 that would be awesome. I mean, it can't get any worse. I 144 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:05.960 mean, for God's sakes, we're now drafting the starters as our last five 145 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.840 people because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings with them being picked last. 146 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.759 I mean, these these are guys making max contracts, and we're worried about 147 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.000 their feelings and being picked last in an All Star Game. It's just it's 148 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.840 become so diluted, and so they should do they should do what they do 149 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.000 in the NFL draft is they should draft it or you know, whatever order 150 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.080 you want, pick the starters first or whatever and then pick the others. 151 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.440 But the guy who was drafted last gets a car. Yeah, you know 152 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.480 how many guys would be fighting, like when you get towards the last, 153 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:39.960 like three or four guys like no, don't pick me, don't pick me. 154 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.840 You know how many of these guys would be out there doing that. 155 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.559 I know it would be a lot more interesting. There's a ton of things 156 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:52.240 you could do to spice this up. It's just from a hobby standpoint. 157 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.879 The All Star Game, it used to be something that was a major accolade, 158 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.559 that was something that hang your app on, and it was something that, 159 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.159 let's be honest, a lot of guys careers are defined by All Star 160 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.759 games, all NBA teams, and individual accolades because they didn't win championships. 161 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.080 No, but typically, but think about this, though the All NBA team 162 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:20.159 accolades are I think those are legit, those are well earned because that is 163 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.320 the that is a season long, right, you know award that they're given 164 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:30.559 out to the top guys in their positions in the league. I mean that 165 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.080 is well earned. Don't put that. I'm just saying when you look at 166 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.799 when you look at the Hall of Famer, that's what you see. You 167 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:41.440 see their titles, their individual accolades, all NBA and then All Star Game 168 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.159 stuff, and well, I don't know if they count. I just don't 169 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.200 think it matters anymore. But no, but that's thing, like, I 170 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.639 don't think they count their All Star Game statistics within that, but they're What 171 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.440 they do count though, is the All Star Game appearances. Yes, and 172 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.120 that's fine, that's okay. You know, hey, this guy was selected 173 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.360 as an All Star eighteen times. Okay, awesome, Like I'm all for 174 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.960 that, but I don't think they're counting like all right, well you know 175 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.799 he averaged like eighteen points a game and the All Star No, you know, 176 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.600 no, I just I'm just saying, like when it I just saw. 177 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.360 You know, they've got the NBA Basketball Hall of Fame voting and stuff 178 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.440 like that coming up, and Dwayne Waited made the cut compared to other people, 179 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.399 and you look at his accolades, it goes past titles. It's like 180 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:31.320 thirteen or fourteen All Star Game appearances. And I saw that and I was 181 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.399 like wow, because I was back when the All Star Game actually meant something. 182 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.200 Yeah, I was like, that's that's impressive because you looked at Dark 183 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.360 and everyone else and he blew them out of the water. And I was 184 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:43.799 like, Okay, this is interesting. But then I'm thinking about nowadays. 185 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.840 Okay, if John Morant makes fifteen All Star Games, is it really that 186 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.080 big of a deal as compared to what it was twenty years ago? No? 187 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.000 No, well I think in some ways it isn't. So it depends 188 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.440 on how many he winds up getting into as a starter. Because remember the 189 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.000 starters are voted on by the fan, right, So I don't look at 190 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:09.399 that as much as I look at the overall selections because I'd rather see a 191 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:15.679 guy who does not get voted in as a starter but still makes ten All 192 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.080 Star Games, you know, yeah, alter, because he was voted on 193 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:24.480 by the league and by you know, I think it's the coaches the yeare 194 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.000 that did say, look, this guy was playing you know so well for 195 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.720 ten years of his career that he was sent to the All Star Game. 196 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:37.679 I would rather have that than the popularity contest that goes along with all the 197 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.600 voting. Yeah, no, I completely agree. Um. One thing I 198 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.600 did think was cool is all weekend long, you did see if you were 199 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:50.200 paying attention and looking around, you saw a lot of Panemia America stuff. 200 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.440 Um, you could see their advertisements in the arena. You could see their 201 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.720 name plastered everywhere. I thought that was awesome to see. Um from a 202 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.240 hobby standpoint at Lee, I know they were down there in full force. 203 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.480 Jeff and everybody were all down there getting on card stuff. You know, 204 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:09.159 I don't know a lot of people might not know this. All Star Games 205 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.879 one of the times one of a lot of those guys they can't get to 206 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.919 sign your redemptions. That's when they signed them. No, exactly our weekend 207 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.559 now in and now we're gonna talk about this a little bit later. But 208 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.519 since you brought up the Panini you know, branding and all that kind of 209 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.559 stuff that was all around the arena, I do want to point out that 210 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:35.600 did anybody notice the massive video billboard in Times Square when Top Series one came 211 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.480 out? Insane absolutely saying this is now, this is the benefit to having 212 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:45.639 fanatics in you know, in the hobby is they've got the money to do 213 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.759 stuff like that. Well, when you saw a route, Michael Rupe and 214 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:54.159 came out with some very very bold comments that I agreed with m saying that 215 00:14:54.320 --> 00:15:00.399 the hobby had been marketed by mistake and it had never actually been tard getting 216 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:05.919 marketed before. And they're going to push hard and you see that with series 217 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:11.240 one getting a billboard Time Square. Um, it's gonna be interesting to see 218 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.919 what does hobby can beat with major marketing behind it. If you want to 219 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.840 see you wanted something interesting. I'm not flips up, but there's a there's 220 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.879 a guy that I'm friends with on Facebook. I'm gonna have to I have 221 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.559 to look at his name, but um, he's down in New Orleans. 222 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:33.360 He's got a shop down there, and he actually does breaks live court side 223 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.320 from the Pelicans games. Oh awesome, and they're yeah, I think I 224 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.240 think they're put up there on the JumboTron. So I'm not I have to 225 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.799 get on to get some details on that. But the but like, this 226 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.360 is the kind of stuff and I don't know how much Pennin he has to 227 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.080 do with that. I don't know how much it's just him and his relationship 228 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.399 with the team, and I'll have to reach out to him and see if 229 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.039 we can get him on there or you know, get him on to talk 230 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.639 about that kind of stuff. But he's doing breaks, you know, basically 231 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.799 on the court at halftime. That's or the people in the arena. I 232 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.559 love it, yeah, and it's it's an awesome you know, it's an 233 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.840 awesome thing for the hobby. And I think we're gonna start seeing a lot 234 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.279 more of that kind of stuff in you know, a lot of sports, 235 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.080 and there's there's sports that you can get away with that. Basketball is one 236 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.039 of them because halftime it exists. You could do it at football. With 237 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:19.919 football, you can do it with hockey in between periods. The one thing 238 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.919 you can't do it with is baseball. Yeah, and it's because again the 239 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.399 innings are too short. The only what you could do though, is do 240 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.120 it like in between a double header. But doubleheaders are sometimes unpredictable because of 241 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.240 weather, so you don't necessarily want to schedule that. But you know, 242 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.039 you can do it, do a pregame one, but there wouldn't be as 243 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.960 many people in the stands, you know, for that. But I think 244 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.879 you're gonna start seeing a lot more of that, and I think it's gonna 245 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.840 be a I think it would be a really it's interesting time for the hobby 246 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.639 and what kind of marketing and things like that are going to go into it 247 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.879 over the next you know, five to ten years. Oh absolutely, And 248 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.639 we're gonna touch on a lot of Series one and a lot of marketing and 249 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.279 stuff behind that a little later on in the show. It's gonna be very 250 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:10.440 interesting to see. And those comments from Ruben, I was I was excited 251 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:11.920 when I heard that. I thought it was cool. And I know this 252 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:17.480 isn't something we talked about before the show, but you know, having a 253 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.519 targeted push and a hard push of marketing towards the hobby, it's going to 254 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.839 be interesting to see how it does and how it reflects on boxes and everything 255 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:30.240 else. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. But back to the All Star 256 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.079 game for a little bit, and we'll go on and move on to the 257 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:38.839 entertainment of the wand so and Sunday we'll just call it a glorified exhibition I 258 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.759 pick up game at whatever y MCA you wanted to go to Saturday night. 259 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.519 On the other hand, my god, if the Hobby wasn't on fire, 260 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:56.559 and if people weren't on fire with Matt mclung and his G League entrance into 261 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:02.279 the NBA Dunk Contest and of course winning at all. Now, technically, 262 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:06.119 I do want to point out that he is on a two way contract. 263 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.920 Yes, he did get calm, yeah, and he did technically get called 264 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.279 up. Now the question remains as to I mean, after winning the Slam 265 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.839 Dunk Contest and he just got traded. Um, so he's with the seventy 266 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.279 sixers. Now I find it. I would find it very hard to think 267 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:27.400 that the seventy sixers were not going to ride that and at least have him 268 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.920 up for the next couple of games. You have to, There's no way, 269 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:38.359 I'm sorry, you absolutely have to because A it's the Sixers. They 270 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:44.039 got roster spots. Okay, yet the roster spots. They're a great team, 271 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.599 an amazing basketball team. They got roster spots. And I don't know 272 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:55.640 how you don't, even if it strictly from a PR prospective, and just 273 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.799 ride the momentum of the name. Um. Now, granted, there's a 274 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:02.599 lot of people for those of you that don't know, go look up this 275 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.799 kid's high school highlights. There's a reason that they called him up. They 276 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:10.559 knew what he could do. This kid has been jumping out of a gym 277 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.759 since he was a junior in high school. That's what got him to where 278 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.319 he is was his dunking ability. It was never his court vision, it 279 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.920 was never his three point percentage. It was the dude can hope. And 280 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.680 so that's what got him to the G League. That's what got him there. 281 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.680 But I mean, just like with Lynsanity, a little different because insanity 282 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.160 was going on in the games and he was putting up points. Yeah, 283 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:41.079 you do have to ride I think that momentum, especially when you've got this 284 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.799 guy on one hundred thousand dollars minimum, low end two way contract. Yeah. 285 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.960 And I think, and I want to say, he's the shortest guy 286 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.839 to win the Slam Dunk Contests since Spud Webb. He is, which is, 287 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.960 you know, which is unique considering his jumping ability. But I would 288 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:02.319 say Philly's got to have him up at least for first home game back after 289 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.319 the All Star Break, if only just to honor the win in the Slam 290 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.000 Dunk Contest. And that would be not you don't you don't even have to 291 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.319 make him a starter. You don't have what I mean, but I mean 292 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:12.359 it would be cool if they did. You start them, you let him 293 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.519 play a couple of minutes, and you pull them out and then you know, 294 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.720 send the normal guy back in. But they gotta do something because this 295 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.839 is one of those things. And if you like, I'm watching his card 296 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:34.079 prices, oh that is absolutely insane. Yes, and some draft picks being 297 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:40.759 his only stuff you could get. Yeah, and prison draft it literally sitting 298 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:45.200 on the shelves in stores not selling. I do an it's like literally just 299 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:51.200 sitting there. It's clearance retail. Yeah, well not not anymore. Because 300 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.000 I decided my son had the day office school yesterday, I decided to take 301 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:59.440 a run over to Walmart with him. And there was not a single box, 302 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.880 no blasters, no nothing, no hanger pack, nothing of Prism Draft 303 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:10.599 basketball there anymore. And everybody is out looking for his stuff. And it's 304 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:18.279 absolutely insane. What like even before the slam dunk contests started. Yeah, 305 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.480 his stuff went from I think you know, he had autos that were selling 306 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.240 for like forty bucks or something like that. I mean, which is which 307 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:27.799 is still high for a guy who for a Prism draft base like autographs. 308 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.720 That's a high price. Yeah, especially since it's uh, you know a 309 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.400 guy that like can't do anything other than dunk, right, and you've got 310 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:40.279 him selling like forty bucks. But they jumped. They were going for like 311 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:42.799 the bass autos were going for like three hundred bucks by the time the slam 312 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.759 Dunk Contest got over. And I mean some of the some of the color 313 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.240 and numbered autos and even just the non autos, the colored prisms and stuff 314 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.480 like that were just going for ridiculous amounts of money. Yeah. Um, 315 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:57.119 actually he's got a Hoop's auto. Yeah, that was that was a big 316 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.160 one. He's got he's in hoops. Um, so he's got he's got 317 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:06.119 autos in there. And those those were selling like one fifty or something like 318 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:08.359 that before the slam Dunk Contest was going on, and they were up to 319 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.319 like five hundred bucks or six hundred bucks something ridiculous like that by the time 320 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:18.279 it got done. But do you think he's remembered now as like in ten 321 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.279 years, as we look through and we go back through the Dunk contest, 322 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:29.039 I can kind of see where they're coming from. If you're i mean, 323 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.559 if you're buying it to resell it at a higher price, you're nuts, 324 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.279 because they aren't ever gonna be higher than they are now. But I could 325 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:41.240 see them kind of hanging and staying there a little bit because of the amount 326 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:48.319 of collectors that are basketball fans that follow these cult players. You've seen cult 327 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.680 players in the past maintain some value, and he does have that. He 328 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.200 does have that run since high school of being this iconic dunker obviously as small 329 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.680 white dudes, so that helps as well. Yeah, let's be honest. 330 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:06.559 I honestly think so here's here's my thing. I think they they're they're going 331 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:08.759 to crash compared to where they are now. They're absolutely gonna crash, But 332 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.839 I think they're gonna come down. You know, they'll still be there's still 333 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.200 are going to be collectors that are going to be going after his stuff. 334 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.640 The real question is going to be how many cards is he actually going to 335 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.960 have? Well, yeah, because you did see if you look at Jeff 336 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.319 Hoffer's account, he did sit down with Panini this weekend. Yeah, and 337 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.119 you know what that means. So the question is long term, how many 338 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.480 cards is he actually going to have? And if the answer is, well, 339 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.519 he's not really gonna have anymore after this, Although I find it hard 340 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:42.960 for Panini not to include him in certain sets going forward. And if he's 341 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.960 if he's not planned to be in Prism already, um, I guarantee you 342 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.240 he's going to have a Prism update card that comes out in chronicles. They 343 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.200 had him, They had pictures of him in a booth that had nothing but 344 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.559 the word Prism all over it. So I'm assuming, in some way, 345 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:02.400 shape or form, you've got to have him in prison. Yeah. I 346 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.000 think they're probably going to put him in National Treasures. They're you know, 347 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.599 they might do something and you know, in Flawless, who knows, just 348 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.680 a you know, a short print run or something like that. But aside 349 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.160 from that, I don't think he's going to have much over the years because 350 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.119 I don't see this guy having a really long career. No. Now, 351 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:22.440 I think he is actually a better fit to show up in Goodwin or Alan 352 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.079 and Ginter. Yeah, you know, one of those types of products where 353 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.640 it's like, Okay, now we can really celebrate his dunking ability because I 354 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.480 guarantee you that, aside from this win in the Slam Dunk Contest this year, 355 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:40.240 he is not going to be celebrated at all for his playing ability, 356 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:41.960 right, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 357 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:47.279 no. Yeah. This is this is a guy who maybe has a year 358 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.559 or two in the league at the most, and I think you see him 359 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.200 on minimum contracts as a novelty and then he's going to become halftime entertainment for 360 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.599 some team. You know, he's gonna come out and do crazy dunks at 361 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.279 halftime. I'm just you know, to get the fans going and provide some 362 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.720 entertainment and that is it. Yeah, that's all you're gonna see, unless 363 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.960 unless he winds up with the Harlem Globe trotters. Yeah, that that could 364 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.359 happen as well. And that's one thing I wanted to ask you. What 365 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:19.359 do you think about and what does it say about All Star Weekend that in 366 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.960 order to get all of this hype going now, Granted, I do think 367 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.680 if you didn't have him in it, if you watch Trey Murphy who who 368 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.759 I actually texted you before you with you and you said, yeah, you 369 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.160 said he's gonna be on fire, He's gonna win the Slam Duncan. Yeah. 370 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.279 I thought he would, and had Matt mcclong not been in there, 371 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.240 easily would happen. The dude did some insane stuff, but what does it 372 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.119 say when you've got to call up someone who it seems like almost signed a 373 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.720 two way contracts so he was an NBA player so he could be in the 374 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:55.440 dunk contest from the G League. Really, I mean, I look at 375 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:57.720 it in a couple of different ways. In one way, I don't think 376 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:00.319 he belonged because he's not. I mean, look, let's be honest, 377 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.839 he's a G League player and franyway, I think the only reason he's got 378 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.799 a G League contract is because he can. I don't think he belonged there 379 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.480 in one hand. But on the other hand, if I'm looking at it 380 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.480 from the NBA's point of view, I think the marketing behind it, Oh 381 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:22.440 yeah, was absolutely on point, and it was a genius move from a 382 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.640 marketing standpoint for the NBA to have him there. Now, the real question, 383 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.640 and this is this is where I'm kind of going off, just way 384 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:37.720 off base, here, is how many other guys out there that are not 385 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.759 NBA players that there's a there's a bunch of them out there that are just 386 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:47.839 absolutely monsters when it comes to dunking. Yeah, how many of these guys 387 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.480 are going to get looked at by teams now and be like, well, 388 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.000 let's sign this guy to a two A contract and you know, we'll throw 389 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.759 him in. And my that's my fear is because you wind up having a 390 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:06.319 slam dunk contest that is just all non NBA players. What they really should 391 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:11.319 do is you have the NBA players in one slam dunk contest, and then 392 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:17.799 you have the an amateur division. Yeah, like a futures game. Just 393 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.920 make it a future slam dunk exactly. And then but then you take the 394 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.039 winner of the amateur tournament, who gets their own trophy and gets to be 395 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.440 the champion Leapship, and put them up one on one against the winner of 396 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:37.160 the NBA contest to determine, you know, just as an exhibition, like 397 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:42.160 the NBA guy already won the NBA Slam Dunk Contest, the amateur guy already 398 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.359 won the amateur contest. Let's see who's better. And that's kind The only 399 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.400 problem is is I think that would dissuade even more professionals and even more all 400 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.960 stars from doing the dunk contest, because god forbid they win the NBA and 401 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:03.119 then lose do a g because you're already seeing the best dunkers in the league. 402 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.599 I'm sorry, they're sitting these out. They're not doing it. The 403 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.160 guys that control the probably some of the craziest shit we've ever seen in our 404 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.599 life, aren't going to touch the dunk contest floor. No, and the 405 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.240 real but the reason they're doing that is not because they're scared of losing. 406 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.400 It's because they don't want to get hurt. Yeah, and and that, 407 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.319 I mean, that's that's the one thing where you know, okay, yeah, 408 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:27.480 the three point contest, you got a slight chance of injury or whatever, 409 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.519 you know, you get worn out or whatever. But the dunk contest, 410 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.559 Yeah, when you're dunking over two people and doing all this, yeah, 411 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.400 I mean you plus dunking in general, you run the risk, you 412 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.160 know, if you're not doing it right, you run the risk of you 413 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:45.839 know, hurting your hand, hurting your risk, your arm, that kind 414 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.559 of stuff, and potentially your feet depending on how you land. So it's 415 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.839 a little bit it's a little bit different than some of the other contests. 416 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.720 So I kind of understand why, you know, some of these guys don't 417 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:57.599 want to do it, And I get the same reason. The guys don't 418 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:02.319 want to play defense and the freaking all there's a reason that you saw Michael 419 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:07.480 Jordan only do a couple of slam dunk contests and then be be done. 420 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.039 Yeah, and you know there's a reason you don't see Lebron doing slam dug. 421 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.119 Well, I mean, Lebron's not really a flashy dunker anyway. He 422 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.400 can be, he couldn't be, but he but he's not. You know, 423 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.759 he's really not. He's just to drive the lane and shove the ball 424 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:23.680 in the hoop, right, you know, same thing like Shaquille O'Neill, 425 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:30.480 the same concept. Yeah, just it's more viciousness less yeah, beauty so 426 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.000 to speak. It's it's more power less finesse. Yeah, and it's just 427 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.200 Yeah, that's the reason you don't see those guys doing it is because they 428 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.200 just they just don't want to get hurt. But that's you know, some 429 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.119 some to think about. Yeah, No, absolutely, there's there's a lot 430 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:51.039 I think they need to think about in terms of All Star Weekend, especially 431 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.640 in terms of at least when I look at it from a hobby perspective as 432 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.519 to how to make the like, I don't know if something has got to 433 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.240 change with all this, and I don't have the answer right now, And 434 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.400 we don't need to fix it right now, but the NBA needs to do 435 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.960 No, dude, we need to fix this right now. We need to 436 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.359 provide the answer. I need to get David Silver on the phone and sit 437 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.319 them down at you know it, like take them to a chair and be 438 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.440 like, look, you're gonna listen to us, because this is what the 439 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:26.039 league needs. You know, two short, two short white guys. You 440 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.119 know, are you gonna tell you exactly what the NBA is gonna bet? 441 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.480 Hey, well, a short white they're just dominated the dunk contests. Who 442 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.079 knows? All right, that's a good point. Maybe maybe we'll bring the 443 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.279 clug with us and you know, there you go. We'll let him do 444 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.440 the talking and you and I'll just hold David Silver in the chair while he 445 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.519 looks dacadasi lyad be done. But something definitely does need to change, because, 446 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.440 like I said, my biggest thing is looking at this again from a 447 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:59.920 card standpoint and from a long term collectibility standpoint. The All Star Game, 448 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.200 I mean, let I always look back at Vince Carter. Vince Carter was 449 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:10.960 an amazing basketball player, great All Star. The Dunk Contest took him to 450 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.720 new heights that he has lived on since then the dunk contest when he did 451 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.039 his arm into the goal, yep, the first time that was done. 452 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:25.279 That elevated his stature so much that, yes, he went on to have 453 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.599 I mean, Vince Carter amazing basketball player, Hall of Famer, hands down, 454 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.160 but in the collectibility world, in the outside of your die hard basketball 455 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.359 purists, that elevated him to a new level. Yeah. I don't see 456 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:47.359 the NBA doing that now, and that's gonna hurt these feature players, these 457 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.799 Trey Murphy's, these guys like this in their card market long term. I 458 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:57.319 think because the All Star Game used to have that push you forward type of 459 00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:02.319 feel, it did elevate people to some extent. Now you are seeing Jalen 460 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.920 Brown's cards go up, You're seeing Jason Tatum rides, You're seeing Lillard rides 461 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:13.559 for winning in three Tatum though, Tatum, those are all guys value to 462 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.680 begin with. Yeah, but Tatum was up before the All Star Game when 463 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.400 he went on that run of you know, fifty point games, and he 464 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.559 had he was he's playing really well and you could see he's dialed in, 465 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.119 so that, you know, the All Star Game I don't think had anything 466 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.839 really to do with and that's kind of my point, is right, they 467 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.640 need to change that. Something needs to change to where this is, this 468 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.839 stuff is viewed as more of a they're taking the week off, we'll see 469 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:47.000 him Thursday. Whoever wins, it's whatever. I'd like some sort of I 470 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.359 know, I would like it to have some sort of prestige back into it. 471 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:53.559 And you know what, maybe that's one of those things, because I 472 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.960 know, I know the league has problems with you know, the whole load 473 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.279 management crap. Maybe it's one of those things where you know, they say, 474 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.319 all right, well, if we don't feel that you're at least trying, 475 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.720 yeah, to you know, to play a real game, then you 476 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.279 know, we're gonna we'll do something you know, two or whatever. And 477 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.440 then next thing, you know, you're gonna wind up having a bunch of 478 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.559 guys like twisting ankles that week, you know, in the last game before 479 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.920 the All Star game, and you know, having to get substitutes. Yeah. 480 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.519 So I'm not entirely sure what the fix is for that, other than 481 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.759 getting rid of the game altogether. You name, name your all stars, 482 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.920 yeah, and and then instead of that, you know what, maybe that's 483 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.680 maybe that is where you bring in the Hall of Fame game is you have 484 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:43.279 the all stars that are like, you have to show up, Yeah, 485 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.240 you have to. You know, we're gonna honor you for being an All 486 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:51.319 Star. But then hey, here's here's Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic 487 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.599 Johnson, Kareem, and you talk. They're gonna come out and play a 488 00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:59.559 game and talk about some cool relics for your high end products. When you 489 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.640 where you see those All Star Game jerseys, the game used patches and stuff 490 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.519 in If you had a Hall of Famers game, you would have game used 491 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.199 All Star Game type of stuff from those legends to put in other products. 492 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:17.000 So it trickles down to the hobby and gives what would be an insanely cool 493 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:22.559 chase set. I guarantee you if they had a Hall of Famer type of 494 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.920 game and that would be had, it would be something that you would see 495 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.519 in National Treasures or Flawless Only. Yes, But then you run across. 496 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:37.880 Then you run across a problem because you know you wouldn't have the Michael Jordan 497 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:45.039 cards right because he is as exclusive. You could have relics you just couldn't 498 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:50.280 have. They couldn't be signed, and you can't put his picture on it, 499 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.960 right, In fact, I don't even think you put his I don't 500 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:53.480 know if you can. Yeah, I guess you can put his name on 501 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.559 it, because leaf Leaf does some relics every now and again where it's his 502 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.320 name, but it doesn't have his picture or anything like that. But I 503 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:06.199 mean, you'd still have all the other guys that still you know, could 504 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.320 potentially you could pull it John Cena. You just can't see him. Yeah. 505 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.119 So, but though that would be cool, and I could totally see 506 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.119 that being a you know, an NT or flawless insert or um. You 507 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.960 know, you can do cards for it for you know, as an insert 508 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:27.719 set for Prism or something like that. Yeah, but it'll be interesting to 509 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.400 see where they go from here. But All Star Game this weekend quite interesting, 510 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.039 made a new Superstar overnight quote unquote, at least from a dunking standpoint, 511 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.360 I don't buy that whatsoever, But I am interested to see where McClung 512 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.679 goes from here. One thing I thought was cool that was that his career 513 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.599 earnings were one hundred thousand dollars and he got one hundred grant from winning the 514 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:54.719 dunk contest. Needless to say, that man's bills can be paid unlike hours 515 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.559 which need to be paid. That's true. So we'll be right back, 516 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.440 all right, and we are back. The wallet is full for the moment, 517 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.239 and uh, we got some stuff we probably could have talked about last 518 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.840 week. But let's talk about Series one. Well, I think I think 519 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:20.519 we have to phenomenon right now. Well, it's a phenomenon overall. I 520 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.679 mean, Series one is one of it's one of those products that you know, 521 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:30.960 everybody is all hyped about because you've got the rookies that didn't make it 522 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.199 an update. Yeah, that are that are Series one that are always and 523 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.239 usually you know, it really depends on how strong the rookie class is that's 524 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.960 in the product, and this year happens to be unusually strong. Yes, 525 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:49.480 very You have a new design, which I absolutely love. I agree you 526 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.320 have I'll touch on in a minute. And yeah, we'll get to that 527 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:59.679 in a second. You have new inserts, you have new short prints, 528 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.679 yes, which is really dry. I think it's really driving things, you 529 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.960 know quite a bit. And I think part of that is not so much 530 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.599 the fact that the short prints are there. I think it part of it 531 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:14.719 is because Blowout put this two hundred fifty thousand dollars bounty on the first person 532 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.599 to bring them a complete set of all three hundred and thirty short prints, 533 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.840 and I think this is actually the first time the TOPS has done short prints 534 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:30.840 of all three that's the new Golden Golden Mirror image variations, and it's leading 535 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:37.760 people to do some crazy, crazy things. Oh yeah, like buying up 536 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:44.440 three hundred cases of Jumbo. Yeah, the guy over it uncommon and real 537 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:50.760 breaks doing some insanity chasing that set. It's been amazing watching that go down. 538 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.400 And if you think about it, though, from a monetary standpoint, 539 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:01.000 if they can pull it off, it's actually genius because they're probably they've probably 540 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.280 spent like two hundred twenty five, two hundred and thirty grands just on the 541 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.679 cases, and you're you know that if you can once you finish the set, 542 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.599 you know, I don't think anybody's gonna beat them to it, No, 543 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.280 unless there's somebody who is doing it behind the scenes, not publicly, 544 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:20.480 and you know, stuff like that. But I think they're gonna wind up 545 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.000 getting it so that that's gonna bring him the two hundred and fifty grand back 546 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.760 ards, so you're immediately profitable on that. But then you've got all the 547 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.960 cards that you've pulled all the autos, all of the you know, the 548 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:36.039 relics, the short prints, the numbered stuff you're gonna over the weekend, 549 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.320 they sold a couple of hundred I think it was a couple of hundred cards. 550 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.119 It might have been a little over a thousand, but they sold I 551 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.760 think it was like maybe twelve hundred cards for around thirty eight k that weren't 552 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:51.920 in their set. Uh. It's been really cool watching them document it um 553 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.039 and do everything. While they're doing it, a lot of people complaining and 554 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:01.239 crying because well, it's the Internet for no reason. I actually think this 555 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.159 stuff is amazingly cool to watch him chase after it. But the blow out 556 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:12.280 bounty is interesting because they've got the the two fifty that you've said for series 557 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.280 one ye, but then they've got the bigger bounty. Well, hold on, 558 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.400 let's let's get to that. Let's get to that in a second though, 559 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.239 because it's two. They've had a two hundred fifty thousand dollars bounty for 560 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.639 Series one the short prints, They've got a two hundred fifty thousand dollars bounty 561 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:29.119 for Series two short print set, and another two hundred fifty thousand dollars bounty 562 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.920 for the update short print set three hundred and thirty cards you know of each 563 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.280 one. Yeah. Then on top of that, they've got what you were 564 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.920 just about to bring up, which is a million dollars bounty if you get 565 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:51.079 Series one two and update all graded a PSA ten. Now that is nine 566 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.599 nins. Want to point out that is nine hundred and ninety cards. Yeah, 567 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:01.360 now here's here's what I would love to see. I would love to 568 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.719 see this, all right, I'm ready. I would love to see an 569 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:19.400 update tops only do twenty nine right short prints and not tell anybody that they 570 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.320 didn't do one. That that's it. That that's what I want to see. 571 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.840 Honestly, with the way they've been printing and stamping serial numbers lately, 572 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.119 they could accidentally do it. We have no well, but I think if 573 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.760 they accidentally do it, they would have to come out and say, hey, 574 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.480 we accidentally didn't do this or whatever. So but I think I think 575 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.960 it would be a I think it would be absolutely hilarious to see them do 576 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:47.719 it and like potentionally and just like literally not tell anybody, don't publish an 577 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.480 update on it, and maybe like a year from now, be like you 578 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.119 know, once a year after the products out, just finally admit it and 579 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.360 be like, yeah, no, we we just didn't do you know, 580 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.599 we didn't do a short print on the rookie day abut for Gunner Henderson. 581 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.320 Yeah, um, you know something something stupid like that, or we didn't 582 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:10.719 do uh you know what. Another it would be like some random guy exactly, 583 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.760 or you know, Louis Arayas or something like that that you know like, 584 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.719 oh, I know, we didn't do it for him. I think 585 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.000 that would be hilarious. Yeah, you know, and I think Pete because 586 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.800 people would continue to open the product and keep opening until or or you only 587 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.320 make one of them, right, you know, don't, yeah, don't, 588 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:31.679 don't. It's not even like a crazy short print. It's like, 589 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.039 hey, we're just gonna make one of this with Maryfield short print and see 590 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.519 what happens when somebody starts chasing it and you know, now, all of 591 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.239 a sudden, the guy that pulls it, it's gonna become like a what 592 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.360 should be like a thirty dollar card is probably gonna be like, you know, 593 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:50.480 twenty grand or something ridiculous like that. But they got to do stuff 594 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.960 like that just to kind of throw people off, especially when you're you know, 595 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.719 guys are chasing that PSA ten bounty. Yeah, so with those bounties, 596 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.639 how much in flu in I mean blowout to put out bounties before we 597 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.639 all all remember, I think the first one that was a big deal was 598 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.800 the Zion logo man um, when that was announced, I think that was 599 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.199 really when the whole bounty thing started to kick off. Blowout, you know, 600 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.159 a stranger you're doing other ones. How much been influence you think TOPS 601 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.960 had on this? I don't know. I was here now Here's because here's 602 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:30.400 here's my thing with this. TOPS doesn't necessarily have an incentive right to contribute 603 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:37.719 to the bounty amount or anything like that because the products already sold. Tops 604 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.840 has gotten their money oh already, you know. They're the stuff that they 605 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.920 sell direct, the stuff that they sell through distributors and things like that, 606 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:51.480 that's all sold. Tops isn't getting any additional money from stuff that gets bought 607 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:59.280 right now from series one. So I'm not entirely sure how much influence they 608 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.119 have in I do know that they you know, and this was interesting to 609 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.880 see this again. They partnered with SGC again for nine dollars grading for series 610 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.559 one cards. Yeah, and look, we all know that the flagship products 611 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.480 have a ridiculous print run. We all know that the rookie class in series 612 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.440 one is so good that you're going to see a flood of base uh you 613 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.719 know, and stuff like that come in on that. But aside from that, 614 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.280 I don't know, I don't I don't think they had any influence in 615 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.760 this. I think this is fish basically saying, hey, I want to 616 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.000 have a set of this because it's you know, I know I can, 617 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.480 I know it's gonna increase in value over the next year or so, and 618 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:44.000 and hey, I want I want all nine cards for this because I know 619 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:45.599 I'll be able to flip it for like two million dollars, you know, 620 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:51.400 a couple of years from now. Um. That's that's where I think is 621 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.000 really driving this. Um. But also I'm curious, and we're never going 622 00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.400 to know this because they're a private company, is because of the bounty, 623 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.840 how much in additional sales is Blowout doing, yes, you know, from 624 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.880 you know, through their own just you know, distribution channels, through their 625 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:12.880 own their own website and things like that. How much of the product is 626 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.719 actually coming from them? Because I did notice that Jumbo prices started off in 627 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.000 about one hundred fifty bucks a box when the product got released, and within 628 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.480 a week, you know, they're sitting at like two twenty five to fifty. 629 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.760 But I don't know how much of that has to do with the bounty 630 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.920 versus how much has to do with that. You know, people are realizing 631 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:36.039 that the jumbos are loaded. Yeah, the jumbos do seem to be crazy 632 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.639 loaded this year. And I'll tell you I've done for twenty twenty three tops. 633 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.920 I have ripped one jumbo box and that is it. And after going 634 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:49.599 through the box, I thought I got killed. I'm absolutely destroyed. You 635 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.679 know, the auto I pulled out of it was a the eighty eight retro 636 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:57.360 auto base of Corbon Carrol And like, okay, you know liquor, and 637 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.239 it's fine, Look, I'm not a I'm not up on Corbon Carrol old 638 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.320 that much. But like sold for one hundred seventy five bucks. Yeah, 639 00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.840 I'm like, okay, so maybe maybe I'm not as screwed as I thought 640 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.800 I was. Um, But but it's one of those things. It's like, 641 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.880 you know, the other stuff they're you know a lot of the gold 642 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.039 foil parallels that are in there selling for you know, twenty five thirty bucks 643 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:21.079 for some of the rookies. And it's been a solid product compared to what 644 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:22.719 you're getting out of Hobby. If you notice, the Hobby box prices have 645 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:29.719 not jumped right like the Jumbo has. And I haven't seen a lot of 646 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:36.760 stuff coming out of blasters or hangers shelves yet across the country. Blasters have. 647 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.039 I don't know about hangers, but you know, don't forget if you 648 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.320 if you believe everything you hear in all these Facebook groups and things like that. 649 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.360 You know, remember hangers or bangers. Man, But I had look 650 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.880 all all the monster stuff seems to be coming out of Jumbo. No, 651 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.920 it does. Um, I've seen some huge hits from it. I do 652 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.000 want to touch on one thing you'd said, how you love to design. 653 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.440 I'd like this year is designed too. I like the way they did the 654 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.199 parallels except for one, and it's the one parallel that used to be my 655 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.079 favorite and has now become my least favorite, and that's the Independence Day parallel. 656 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:15.960 Those parallels used to be the coolest looking cards that Tops put out every 657 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.679 year when they did the flag design behind them, back when they didn't have 658 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.920 a full border. As soon as they went back to a full border design, 659 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:30.960 they went just to regular old red stars. And I loved them up 660 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.000 through twenty nineteen. Right, yeah, no, I'm sorry, scratch that. 661 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.920 Scratch that. I think twenty twenty was actually good too. It was 662 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.559 twenty twenty one, right, which is where they just they gave up. 663 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.079 They gave up, They dumped the shark and those used to hold. Like 664 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.679 if you look at the sales from the previous years, like twenty seventeen, 665 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.119 twenty eighteen, if you look at the sales of those compared to maybe the 666 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:58.159 black out of fifty, they would sell for more than the lower numbered stuff 667 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.639 the Independence Day parallels because of their look, well black blacks. I thought 668 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:05.239 black was out. No, black was out of like sixty seven or sixty 669 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.360 Yeah, well you know what I mean. Yeah, the Mother's Day pink 670 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.840 and the Father's Day blew those are both out of fifty. Yeah, okay, 671 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.719 so those, you'd see the Independence go for more. And I just 672 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.360 think with Baseball America's you know, pasttime, YadA, YadA, Well, 673 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.760 it's the only it's the only one of the big four major sports that's actually 674 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.480 playing during Independence Day, right, So you, that's my point. I 675 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.559 would like them to celebrate that a little more. And I hate how they 676 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.599 have phoned in what was at one time out of pick any set. I 677 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.559 don't care what it is. One of my favorite parallels every year was to 678 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.440 see how they were going to do the Independence Day design, and within a 679 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.800 couple of years they destroyed it. Um, that's my one critique on it. 680 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.920 I was hoping this year they get back to something different, but no, 681 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.599 we got red stars on a white boarder and that no. What they 682 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.599 what they really need to do is pull the Independence Day parallel out of the 683 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:09.880 normal set and do it as an insert where not only do you have the 684 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:16.400 Independence Day design on the card, but all of the Major League teams usually 685 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:21.639 do some tweaks to their uniforms, sometimes the hat, sometimes full uniform things 686 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.840 like that. Make it an insert set where each card is numbered to seventy 687 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:30.599 six, and have it not only with the Independence Day design, but also 688 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:36.719 have it with the Independence Day uniforms like from that weekend that they wear. 689 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.639 That would be I think that would be the better way to do it. 690 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.000 Yeah, just to kind of give it an added added bonus. No, 691 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:50.760 I agree. I think that's something that I hope that they tweak can change 692 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.880 in the future. It just seems as soon as they went back to full 693 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:59.840 border completely, they gave up. Yeah, yeah, that sounds that sounds 694 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:01.920 out right, but it has you know, Series one, you know that 695 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:07.199 is it's always right after the Super Bowl or right around the Super Bowl. 696 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:12.360 It's also right it signals the start of baseball season for most baseball collectors. 697 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.559 You know, Series one is pretty massive, but we talked about it earlier. 698 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.079 In addition to the bounties, you're seeing Time Square advertising, you're seeing 699 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:29.639 massive trade night toasted by whether it be Bleaker or somebody else that are sponsored 700 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:34.440 by tops, that are having special celebrity guests come in and all this type 701 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.119 of stuff. I mean that the marketing push for this has been amazing, 702 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:45.719 and it's surprisingly Series one is normally okay, it's out, there's a couple 703 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.519 of breaks, and then all right, we know it's gonna be on the 704 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.119 shelves. Let's move on to something else outside of the diehards. This year 705 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:58.440 feels like Series one could have a little more staying power. Well. I 706 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:04.320 think part of that is, you know, most products are driven by the 707 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:12.840 rookie class, right and this product reminds me a lot of twenty eighteen update, 708 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:19.719 uh, twenty nineteen Series two. Um, you know where you have 709 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:27.239 you just have an absolutely solid run of like five or six really good rookies, 710 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.920 and I honestly I think twenty twenty Series one started off that way too, 711 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:36.159 you know, with Baschette and Nico Horner and um trying to remember who 712 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.440 else was in there. Yourn Alvarez you know, was in there too, 713 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.599 and it's like those have kind of fallen off, so it's you know, 714 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.480 I don't know, I just kind of that when I'm not sort of I'm 715 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.320 not going to include that in this, but it was kind of like that 716 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.840 at the beginning. But this one, I think, you know what, 717 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.960 the the autos that they have in there, um, at least the ones 718 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:59.159 that are not serial number two hundred out of one ninety nine, you know, 719 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:05.519 in addition to the solid relic, solid veteran and you know, retired 720 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.760 player autos that they have in there, I think it's a you know, 721 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.920 in addition to the parallels and the you know, Bass rookies and now the 722 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.519 Noal the short prints across the entire set, I think it's gonna be one 723 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:22.599 of those products that has long term staying power, the Golden the Golden Mirror 724 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.480 short prints. I think it's going to be interesting to look at back on 725 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.480 this in a couple of years and see how that helps this product, because 726 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:35.360 it's it's certainly commanded an astounding amount of hype right out of the gate. 727 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:38.440 I want to see, yeah, you know how it's how it's looked at 728 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:42.760 in a couple of years. I'm excited for that. Well, my favorite 729 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.360 thing that they've done with it, with those the Golden Mirror short prints is 730 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.480 the fact that you don't have to sit there and look at those tiny little 731 00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:53.039 codes of the Head of Mind glass. You know, not only is the 732 00:51:53.199 --> 00:52:00.199 tops logo gold on the front, but you also have a giant SSP next 733 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.840 to the card number on the back. And it's like, oh, thank 734 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:06.559 god, why didn't you do this years ago? Yes, you know, 735 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.920 I can't tell you how much damage I've done to my eyes trying to strain 736 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.760 looking at codes if I'm sitting there, ripping in the car, and you 737 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.239 know, things like that. They really need to do that, like they 738 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.280 started doing with Heritage a while again, right where you know they were underneath 739 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.440 the card number they would put like error or action or say, hey, 740 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.199 doesn't number just do that make it easier for all of us to identify, 741 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:34.639 especially with so many new people and with a flagship product like Top Series one, 742 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.679 which is literally meant to pull new people into the hobby, an affordable 743 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:44.000 entryway into the hobby, Like, let those people know that they're getting something. 744 00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.639 How many people bought blasters got into the hobby probably thought they pulled nothing, 745 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.760 and they're sitting on Julio short print, a wander short print, a 746 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.800 tattoo short print, all that stuff and just had no clue because well, 747 00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.960 why would I look at the little codes on the back? Yeah, exactly. 748 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.119 You'd like to think that with you know, the hobby being what it 749 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:06.920 is, and you know all the different groups and chat rooms and all that 750 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.000 kind stuff that are out there, that you know, somebody would be able 751 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.800 to look it up and you know, and realize that even if they're new, 752 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.000 but at the right time. But the thing people tend to not realize 753 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.840 is that the online aspect of the hobby, while it's big, it's so 754 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.079 far from all of it. I mean, when I go to the like 755 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.119 I'm headed down to Orlando for Collecticon this weekend. We're going to take in 756 00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.320 so many people's cards that are new to the hobby just getting back in that 757 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:36.840 that don't deal with the social media side of it. Yeah at all at 758 00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:38.320 all. They're like, oh, shoot, we saw a card show. 759 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.880 Hey, we've been buying some stuff at Walmart the last year, or at 760 00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.239 our local car show or ELCS for the last year. Let's drop them off 761 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.639 and when we So there's so many people that aren't involved in the social media 762 00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:57.519 aspect that probably honestly aren't even gonna think to look at it. So, 763 00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.840 yeah, you're making a change like that, I think is brilliant, not 764 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:06.800 only for us order guys that don't want to squint at eighty thousand different little 765 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:10.880 code, but also the new people getting into the hobby that don't know that 766 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.920 they're supposed to look at one four zero nine, seven four to six two 767 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.239 eight yep, exactly, And Doria, you don't have to focus on the 768 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.920 whole thing. You can just look at the last three digits or sometimes even 769 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.159 the last two digits. Yeah, but they're still so small that even with 770 00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:28.840 perfect vision, you got to sit there and be like, you know, 771 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:30.880 are kind of bugging out after a while. Yeah, those sevens turned to 772 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.840 eight and nine quick Man, Oh seven sevens and ones turned you know, 773 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.000 it's like you know, or zeros and eights, you know, to the 774 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:43.519 lump together or sixes and eights is usually what you know, usually where I 775 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.519 get thrown off after like an hour. I yeah, I love. I 776 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.280 love the fact that they did that, and I think they really need to 777 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.679 keep that up with you know, with everything else as well. Yeah, 778 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.559 I agree, and once again, like you said, I love the SGC 779 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.599 partnership. Once again, I'm gonna be really interested to see how that works 780 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:08.400 out with the grading because the early returns. I did see something on Instagram. 781 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.719 I want to credit the right people, so I'm not going to say 782 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:15.400 exactly who it was at this time, but I did see how many more 783 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:21.159 Bowman cards have been graded by SGC than by PSA and Beckett, and the 784 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.719 numbers were astounding. And I'm going to be interested to see what series one, 785 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:29.360 because once again you drop it down to that low level, and that's 786 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:35.760 that's absolutely awesome. I don't know how Peter and SGC keep snagging these away 787 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.599 from CSG, but uh, I know they're pissed and sgc's reaping the rewards 788 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:42.920 for it. Yeah, and you know what, I have an answer to 789 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.159 that, I really do, and it's the same answer that I typically have 790 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.000 everybody else. Drugs. Yeah, no, no, no, it's really 791 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.199 not in this case. Um, but you'll you look, you'll be able 792 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.920 to keep an eye on it firsthand because I believe they're going to be a 793 00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.719 collecticon. Yes as well, they will, which is the I think it's 794 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.000 the first show outside of the National that they're going to be set up at 795 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.400 taking in submissions, so I you'll get a you know, a good idea. 796 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.400 Just you know, if you're walking around and stop off, you know, 797 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.199 you can check it out and report back to me over the weekend and 798 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:15.920 be like, yeah, this is what they're doing, and this is you 799 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.199 know, the lines were ridiculous or they weren't existent, you know what I 800 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.199 mean. I might be ripping someone dropping them off. I don't know right 801 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:28.039 now, I pull something nice, it's definitely going toc Yeah, but um, 802 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.760 I think that that pretty much covers everything with with series one. I 803 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:37.599 am curious to see if the guys that uncommon are going to be doing the 804 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.760 same thing with series two. Yeah, um, you know, trying to 805 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.239 snag that bounty and you know, I think we'll have to wait for the 806 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:50.280 checklist to pop out to see whether or not it's going to be you know, 807 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:58.679 a better be in series two. Damn it, opening day roster, 808 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.199 damn it. Come on, put him in tops. Yeah, that's up 809 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.920 the as I say that, that's up the tops. And whether may if 810 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.760 he needs to carry series too, I'm fine with that too. No, 811 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:08.840 but I mean, think about it. How many guys were on the opening 812 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.880 day roster last year and didn't show up to update? Yeah, that's true, 813 00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.679 might be update, Might have to wait for that. Yeah, but 814 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.559 yeah, great, great rookie class. Like you said, amazing design. 815 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:25.679 But what I love more is it's always been embraced by the baseball side of 816 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.599 the hobby, as you know, the kickoff to this year's baseball season, 817 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.079 you know, the kickoff tis well. I think part of that. Part 818 00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:36.159 of that is traditionally it comes out right at the same time the pitchers and 819 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:40.920 catchers report to right. So. But but collecting wise, it's always kind 820 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.960 of thought of as the you know, it's the first product of twenty twenty 821 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:50.719 three, it's the kickoff of that twenty twenty three collecting season. But I'm 822 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.119 seeing a lot of people that aren't die hard baseball collectors, people that wouldn't 823 00:57:54.159 --> 00:58:00.719 normally rip a live Series one, chasing Series one. And if you can 824 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.840 make the flagship product that in demand, hey, that's an awesome job and 825 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:10.000 I'm excited to see, especially with like we said, circling back to the 826 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:15.159 beginning with Rubens comments about help, the hobby has never really been marketed or 827 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:21.280 marketed correctly. If I'm gonna be interested to see how some of these products 828 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.920 go, some of these ones that aren't thought of as the national treasurers, 829 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.760 the impeccables, all this stuff, how they how they're looked at, how 830 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.079 they're collected. Because I will say this, the hype for Serious one has 831 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.960 been bigger than any hype I've seen in a long time. And if you 832 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:42.599 look at the last couple of classes we've had with the Kuna Sodo tet Teas 833 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:46.679 and I Pick a Year had so many amazing people. It's pretty awesome and 834 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:51.920 incredible to see. Yeah, I would agree, and it's it's amazing to 835 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.840 see how far that the hobby has come, because you know, cards started 836 00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:00.679 off as as an afterthought inserted into packs of cigarettes, and then you know, 837 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.280 tops wasn't even a baseball card company. They were a gum company. 838 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.440 Your goal was not to sell baseball cards, it was to sell gum. 839 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.760 And you know, it brought us some of the most iconic cards in the 840 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.039 hobby. And I think Michael Rubin is absolutely right, is that it's really 841 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:22.920 not being It hasn't been marketed properly ever, right people ever? Yeah, 842 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:28.519 And I think they're finally starting to figure that out. Yeah. And I 843 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.480 mean, hey, that's that's an exciting thing to see where that can go 844 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.639 because there are a lot of people that you know, have have no idea 845 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:42.920 or probably just have just haven't been reintroduced to it or introduced to it yet. 846 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.599 And if it drabs people, that's gonna be awesome. But you've definitely 847 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:53.280 seen a very different push with everything coming out with Series one Bowman. You 848 00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:58.480 also dropping with some first licensed stuff, a lot of new stuff coming out. 849 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:05.000 So it's gonna be fun to watch this new marketing campaign and see exactly, 850 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.760 you know, what it can do. But Series one taking the hobby 851 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.400 by storm. I don't know if you guys are chasing that two hundred and 852 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:15.440 fifty thousand dollars bounty, but the guys over at Real Breaks in the uncommon 853 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.360 app. They're gonna fight you for it that much, I can tell you. 854 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.719 But Scott, I think that's probably about it this week. What do 855 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:28.159 you think. I think it's a good time to wrap things up and save 856 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.679 whatever we had left for next week. I agree. And guys, once 857 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:36.559 again, if you are in the Orlando area this weekend, or if you 858 01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.920 live himself Florida and want to make that short drive over to Orlando, make 859 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:44.440 sure to head on over to collect the count. It is not just TCG 860 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.960 this year. Sports cards and everything will be a part of it. I 861 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.199 like Scott said, SGC will be there along with a lot of other people 862 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.119 will be there taking in stuff at gem Mint as well. But guys, 863 01:00:55.159 --> 01:01:00.800 that did is gonna wrap up episode one hundred and seventy seven. Let me 864 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.440 get that photograph once again to thank our awesome sponsors, Show Your Slabs, 865 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.719 Slab Strong, Vandy Slabs, Card Ladder, Treasure Hunters and Denver Card Shows, 866 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.280 which also if you're in the Denver area, has a show this weekend 867 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.400 couple of days show Jam packed around three hundred tables. I believe, very 868 01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:23.920 very big show that's growing by the show. So if you're in that area 869 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.639 and looking for an awesome show as well, make sure to check that out. 870 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.480 As always, we will have a new episode to let her rip out 871 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:35.880 this week, possibly if a box gets here in time live from Collecticons Man 872 01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.280 stage over the weekend, so be on the lookout for that as well, 873 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:44.440 and of course Hobby Hotline after Saturday and Tuesday. But Scott Man, I 874 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.519 know we had to take a week off becausin my crazy surgery that was going 875 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:50.360 to be fine but took a week and a half. But hey, yet 876 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.480 happen. Look at appts man. You never expect things to go the way 877 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.239 that you want them to go. With surgery and you know, medical procedures 878 01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.239 stuff. I got that straight. Yeah that right man. Man, Well, 879 01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.519 you guys know the deal. Keep ripping those packs, pulling those hits. 880 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:17.000 We'll be back next week. Peace m h m