Made decision. Oh thanks Sunny sun On. So what's up everybody? Hi,
it's Friday. Yeah, it's our Friday show. But we're recording out
of order closure in case we in case we mess up. We're not going
to mess up. Oh, go to mess up, going to mess up.
We shouldn't have even I shouldn't have even told you guys that you don't
you don't need that. You're on a need to know basis. Let us
say hello to our gorgeous, our gorgeous listeners like like Leslie. Oh,
we'll stop with the coughing. Still, I feel like COVID's really gone way
down. So Leslie, now you're just doing it for attention. You know.
The other Leslie is accosting people left and right. She you know who
she's out there with Gabby and Missy. Oh yeah she that Leslie is a
bad influence on Gaby and Missy. Oh that's pretty bad. That's saying something
right. Also, Kelly Brandt, she's not your aunt, she is your
aunt, You're right. Alicia escalanteve in the City of Almonte, Rebecca when
she's a so cute, Shanda Ishan Vajpe, badass, Katerina, get your
Moler checked, Rachel's she's a newcomer. She's back, She's back, Ashley
so she Kelly, Ladi da Amy, you're a cunt. Katie's rolling on
e not Anna faris Aaron who dis Nikki call you a girl? Uh?
Valerie hits out of the park, Polly, we love your pancakes. Elizabeth
Williamson has a lot of kids and all of them. Yeah. And Athena
Ginscherd likes to dance with them, and Rita likes to rock them in her
Bossinette and Jacob is so growley and uh. Also Sarah Stefanos, she's your
Paisano. And Aaron is a dirty Sanchez and Jennifer stand up. And Sandra
it's not easy being green. Christ to get the strap. And Stephanie is
a stinker wrinker. And I think that's everybody. I think I got everybody.
Yeah, I And we're doing our zoom this weekend, Yes, our
patriots on Sunday for ten dollars and above. Okay, So I will be
in Palm Springs by the way, Oh you will. Yeah, So you're
gonna zoom in from Palm Springs area chaperoning a trip that I got bamboozled into
for who sounds like it's all stage coach coach, But isn't Coachella this weekend
too? Yeah? Coachella is this weekend as well. It is. Yeah,
so there's stage Coach and Coachelle at the same time. Well, I
know Coachelle is two weekends, and this last weekend was the first one.
So I think this upcoming weekend is. Oh, well, then maybe it's
not this weekend. Yeah, I think stage Coach is the weekend after.
It's probably Oh what is the weekend after? Yes, good God, be
home. I'll be home and enjoy life, enjoying all this non coach Ella
environment, non stage coach. Yeah. So yesterday I stayed in bed a
lot of the day. I don't know why. I just you know,
it was drizzling off and on. Yeah, it was one of those days
I did too. I was super unmotivated, and I decided that I was
going to watch the Brandy Hellville Yep, me too. Doc. Did you
watch it? No? Because I got sideswiped into another doc? Oh what
HBO Max? About Onision? The YouTuber? Have you guys heard of him?
Because I've never heard of him either. He's like one of the original
YouTubers that I don't know he's he gives off what's the guy uh? In
the documentary there's two documentaries, one on Netflix, one on Prime the Twin
Flames, he gives off that guy that douchebags vibes. He's like him.
But he would do like stupid videos and think it's funny and just like you
know, the kind of humor that like fifteen year olds would think is funny.
Right, I'm a dressing like a banana and singing I'm a banana,
I'm a banana, like what okay? So, and basically he would lure
like these young fans of his fifteen sixteen year old girls to hang out with
him, and like he would seduce and then they would just turn eighteen.
Like one of them was seventeen, and he found out that she was in
Pennsylvania and so they're the legal age of consent is seventeen there, so that
he so he flew there to meet her and then like seduced her into being
his girlfriend. And then she turned eighteen and then she moved in with him
to his place in Washington, and then Chris Hansen gets involved. Oh,
and his shit's in this documentary and they interview him, because this guy's a
fucking predator, right, He's preying on these young teenage fans of his and
he waits until they get just close to like seventeen or eighteen. Then he
like, it's a crazy it's like four part episode. Four part isn't on
Max. It's on Max. What's it called? Oh Nisson? Okay,
they're in real life? Yeah, okay, well okay, so tell me
this leads me to we okay, because I also want to talk about I
watched a series that is also on Max. Yeah, called Mean Girl Murders.
I saw that I wanted him. Yeah, I got sucked in and
watched all the episodes that exist. Now I'm watching this and I'm like,
you know and John John was like, you love your True Crime and I
was like, well, it's just so crazy how the brains of like a
there's some of them have to do with like high school mean girls, and
it's like it's like you get you gives you that feeling of like I fucking
knew it. I knew that some of these girls are like seriously bad news
and stuff. Can shit can really go sideways? Hey? You know these
criminal minds that start young, where these people have like no remorse. Then
I was thinking about it, and then I got defensive of myself because I'm
like, I was remembering this post that but he made about us, but
all of us this is doesn't hurt you and me. Kylen gets involved in
Kylen she didn't on stage, doesn't he doesn't watch that stuff. This is
more so I'm going to read you this was a post that somebody made.
They're anonymous, but and then I called him out for their real name and
then they said, well, I don't use my real name anyway, so
it doesn't really matter. Uh. They said, I've listened for a long
time. Would you consider splitting up the weekly episodes, when to discuss your
lives, kids, et cetera, and the other to discuss the crime shows.
Now let me I'm just gonna interject really fast that we do. We
already almost all the time our Tuesday episode has to do with like family stuff
or you know, stuff that's happened during the week, and discussing the college
and stuff. And then usually Friday we've run out of stuff to talk about
from our regular lives and we're like, what are you watching? Right?
And that's when and then we happen to like like true crime. Yeah,
so then we'll talk about that, you know, because we don't talk about
Kaylin's dorky, freaking sci fi nerdy. It's usually what we're watching, happens
on Friday, what podcasts we're listening to, whatever. It just happens to
be that way, not that we never discuss. And also, like we
recently discussed, like the Ruby Frankie situation, we talked about that maybe on
it don't, I don't know, but pretty much we do that. Okay.
I work in the courts directly with victims, witnesses, and perpetrators of
the horrifics you only see on TV. It's definitely traumatizing, and I get
more enough of it during the week. I don't need to hear more.
But I also would prefer not to give up listening to your show altogether.
To be honest, you both seem like decent people, and I worry them.
Let me preface it by seem like decent people, and I worry that
you and then in parentheses and so many other people get so titillated hearing about
women and children being raped and murdered. Yeah, because because that's what we
mostly talk about when we talk about true crime is just the just the raping
and the murdering of little children, right, first of all, and I'm
not done yet, But first of all, I just want to say that
I made it pretty clear, maybe like a month or two ago, that
I was like, that's one thing I don't we did talk about. I
don't like I can't listen to anything that happens to kids. For one thing,
Yeah, I don't anytime I see on a podcast about it, if
it's not like more of a schological like or we did somebody killing their husband
or who did it? Then I skip it. But I want to hear
about horrible things happening, and not to women either. And as I've said
many times, I don't even I don't like serial killer stuff. I don't
like stuff where I like psychological like how does this person's brain work? I
want to figure it out. I want to go like, oh my god,
the husband totally did it, Like how can they're not? You know,
it's all that stuff that makes our brains work. And yes, and
I also think you and I both we empathize with the victim, and it
makes you think, like how would I react? If I was in that
situation, or or sometimes it's just people getting out of bad situations, you
know. Okay, so she totally doesn't get us at all, but apparently
we get so titillated by women and children being raped and murdered. It's very
similar to people who get stimulated by child pornography. Yeah wow, but as
long as these programs are legal, they'll continue to decent, otherwise healthy people,
much like adult porn has done to many young adults. So now she's
compared it to getting desensitized by kids watching porn and getting desensitized, and to
us watching child porn, we're having the same We're having the same, apparently
reaction. Okay, So people got mad, as you can imagine. So
somebody wrote true crime is not the same as child porn, and then like
they're dead, you know, And then somebody wrote, our friend Michelle Ramos
wrote, sometimes I fast forward through the reality show stuff because I don't watch
it. Maybe consider doing that. Titillating seems like an odd choice of words,
and comparing it to child porn seems judging in a far reach. Okay.
Then a bunch of people are like, don't post anonymously and some people
are like, they're fine with it, okay, and you know, I
want to get to where she she pipes, she pipes back in. In
the meantime, I would just like to point out that I think true crime
is the most popular like casts genre. Yes it is. Yeah, but
yeah, we don't talk about like the cult stuff. You mostly talk about
the cults, like the cults. Yes, yeah, we like cults,
yeah, wind flames yeah. Okay, So this one, our friend Catherine
Keys said, there's a reason why they posted anonymously. Lol. They knew
this wouldn't fly. Obviously they might have an issue because they don't seem to
understand the only thing we all enjoy is being the detective and getting into the
minds of these scumbags. I don't anybody anyone gets titillated by children being murdered
and raped. Ever. And then they wrote at least the admins will know
who anonymous is. And then I wrote Alison Foster and then she wrote still
in the group. Okay, so now here anonymous comes back. Wow,
what an angry bunch. Good thing. My Facebook name isn't my real name.
Some of you would fly your brooms straight to my house. That said
you're not detectives. If you were, you wouldn't listen to this junk.
I work with detectives, and trust me, they do better things in their
spare time. If you want to play detective, read a mystery school.
What fun is that? There's no fun in reading? Stephanie spelled wrong.
By the way, have the right to make their own show, but I
have the right to comment and make suggestions and propose ideas. Your idea is
something that we're already doing. Bitch. Finally, to anyone into those shows
I used to be, I used to be genuinely flabbergasted and confused. I've
heard they're the most popular amongst middle aged women, and as a middle aged
woman myself, I can't understand why, but it seems it feels unhealthy to
me. So if you couldn't understand the comparison of watching these shows and watching
child porn, maybe you'll understand comparing them to snuff porn. Wow, christ
what they're both exactly the same goal getting excited from watching or hearing someone die,
preferably with as much gory's stomach churning detail as possible. Healthy humans shouldn't
enjoy that. That's not judgy, that's sanity. Oh my goodness, I
mean, listen, we're not sitting around listening. That's horrible. I would
never do that. And I don't listen to any podcasts that are that that
are gory. Right. If you're listening to Dateline, they're they're not.
You're not listening to if that's terrible. Most of the time Dateline, By
the way, I was just noticing, it's always like a case gone cold
until somebody makes a confession. Forensics, right, yes, exactly. My
son had take took a forensics class in high school and to learn about the
pattern of blood splatter and how that could solve a crime. Like yeah,
you know, and yeah, okay, we're not we're not detectives. We
understand that. But the problem is it's like we you know, yeah,
I listen, I get it. She might, you know, she works
way around criminals and detectives and the police force and real true victims. You
know, I'm sure she's seen a lot, but what she's what comparing us
to that is a judge though. It's Yeah, here's a response our friend
Susan Ferry that I think sums it up pretty well. She says. Anonymous
member you are so off the mark, it's ridiculous. Studies have shown that
the majority of true crime followers do so as a reinforcement of moral clarity and
curiosity about the motivations of the criminals, concerns about justice and the legal system,
and the thrill of solving a real life who's done it For a few
For myself, it was always about trying to figure out what makes these criminals
tick. I'm not interested in the gory details. I'm sixty four, but
I've been following true crime since I was in my twenties. The Bill Curtis
Days, Yes, what was it? American Justice? Yeah? I love
that shot show? Uh for me? Okay uh? And yes, it
makes me angry that you weirdly think this topic titilates me the way that pedophiles
are titillated by child porn. For me as well as for most, it's
more of a sociological interest, and frankly, I think it's strange that you
miss that completely. You must tune out when people do discuss the reasons for
this interest, because those discussions happen all the time. It's also a weird
flex for you to demonize those of us who defend ourselves against your aggressive statements
by saying some of us would want to fly on our brooms to your house.
You don't seem to know how interactions work. I'll break it down.
When you compare people who are following a legal, informative and educational interest in
something to people who harm, molest, rape, and murder children, chances
are there going to be angry with you boom anyway, So back to young
girl murders. Yes, I've seen those, I think. And it's not
just on Max. It's on like the Discovery Channel or something. Each episode
is different. It's basically like girl on girl crime. It's not all about
high school girls because that would be really hard to watch too, but some
of it is about like how mean girls they start out. You get to
see them starting out in high school and how they behave m hm. And
you and I have been not a party too, but had a front row
seat to lots of our own mean girl stuff in the past, but also
raising girls, teenage girls and being around teenage girls. Yeah, and what
we see and how they interact with each other and the type of drama that
happens. I mean lot of drama. Yeah, LB was the victim of
some real mean girl stuff in middle school, like serious mean girl stuff.
And it's wild when you watch the stuff when these girls grow up and they're
still at it. I now, yeah, they don't grow there's still mean
old bitches, right. Yeah. So I watched that. I watched and
then John was making fun of me because he's like, man, how many
of these episodes are there? Well, it turns out I start watching it
and I'm like, holy shit, there are two seasons. Yes, I
was watching season two. So I went back and watched season one and I
just could not motivate to leave the house. Well because it was rainy and
yeah, you know, it was constant. So I watched the Brandy.
Oh so you did watch health? I watched it. Yeah, And how
was that? It's pretty crazy? It is pretty crazy. It's nothing that
we don't know. I thought they did. John watched it with me,
by the way, and he was like, this is a really well done
documentary. A lot of it was about fast fashion and just how bad for
the environment it is, and it was appalling to see that stuff. It
made me I'm banning buying stuff from shean Oh yeah, because it's just garb.
It's just it's garbage quality, it's they mistreat these people that make the
clothes. But also it just there's no reason everybody should just be like thrifting,
you know, thrift. Yeah, I almost. I I buy so
much of my clothes, so many of my clothing items from a Poshmark,
because half the time I'll figure out a pair. Like it's so rare that
I buy stuff that's new, only not even because I've been so against it,
but because usually I find something that I like and then I can't find
it right right, Like if it's like a pair of jeans or like I
had this one pair of jeans that are from Target, you know, Universal
Threads, Target brand, and they're really cute, but I went down a
size right and I couldn't find them. I went to a few different targets.
I couldn't find them for sale at Target. So I went on Poshmark
immediately found them, wow, in the size I needed, and they were
like ten bucks plus shipping. Right. I'm like, sure, I haven't
bought clothes in a long time, I have to say, but like,
yeah, the thrifting thing is good, good thing to do. Yeah.
So so the point is they got into though, I mean this guy,
the guy that runs its name, his name is like I want to say
Steven, like marsha On. I think that was the name of the guy
who came up with the company. He's just a gross guy. It's very
similar to American Apparel, these stories about these founders that are just like these
kind of gross old guys, who are you know, they just there.
He's anti Semitic. I mean, his sense of humor is he seems pretty
racist, pretty anti semitic, making a lot of horrible, bad taste jokes,
but also and then sending them around to the different people that work there,
including so there's sometimes young girls that work there. He made a lot
of the young girls. He would find these girls on the street and basically
they'd be like, do you want to be our model? And then and
then all the girls had to have like basically like a fit check. So
when they get to work, they hire all these young white, pretty blonde,
very skinny girls, and then they have to take their picture when they
come in in what they're wearing, and sometimes they would just be like chest
shots or legs and stuff, and then they have to send them all to
the guy. Oh and then he had a big collection of all of these
pictures of these young girls. So see that's the thing. You think Brandy
Melville's run by some blonde like you know, waspy housewife and Malibu and it's
her, you know, clothing line. It turns out some scumbag behind the
whole thing. He's a guy behind it. I didn't know the guy.
Yeah, I didn't know anything about it, dude, the one super right
wing. He's a total trumper. Well, the one thing I did know
about it that I hate it all along was the one size fits all bull
talk about that like that's ridiculous. Yes, those T shirts, remember I
used to complain they look like they're for toddlers. Yeah, ridiculous. And
they're just proud of that. They're really proud of that. Are they still
going today, by the way, Are they in business? Uh? Yes,
course, yeah, they're making billions. Yeah. Oh wow, let's
take a quick break. Anyway, that was a good documentary. Then I
watched I was on a tear lint. Then I watched the Synanon documentary.
So which one because there's one on Max The Max one. Okay, it's
really good, but you know, they take their time getting to what's bad
about the things? So you know, I'm watching it and I'm like,
I want to I kind of want to join up. You totally understand,
like what's cool about it? You're like it seems very I mean, I
kind of know how it goes dark and becomes a little Jim Jones esque.
The guy Charles Dietrich does become sort of k So this guy invents this thing
where it's basically for people who are kicking heroin. Oh, the Synanon.
Oh. I was thinking it's the it's a camp for kids. I was
thinking that's that's what the thing was. Well the oh you mean the program,
Yeah, that one about the Paris Hilton like that, right, but
didn't s did They separated the kids from the adults and there was a whole
kids ok there are there is another documentary I think called The Kids of Synanon.
Okay yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. This one is about how
how Synanon Okay or no, that's on Paramount Okay, yeah, okay,
okay, Well this is this one is about Sinina in general. How it
started. It started in like the late fifties and it got pot very popular
in the sixties, very summer of love like uh. So they they started
it with helping drug addicts get off drugs and it was working better. The
guy who started it was a big believer in AA the AA mod, which
is basically addicts helping other addicts get sober, and so he started it with
that in mind, like this is just going to be addicts are going to
get sober, and then they're going to help other people and we're all going
to live together and people are going to kick heroin on the couch in this
place where we're in, and we're all just going to support each other.
But also he created this therapeutic thing called the Game, where basically you just
get out all your frustrations and you can yell at people and it's about being
really honest about why you're mad, and you just get up in people's faces
and just vent your spleen and then it's done. And there are there are
very There's just a couple of rules like no violence. You can't hit anybody.
I think that's it. You can say whatever you want, but you
can't like physically hit anybody. Can scream and yell and anyway. People were
loving it so much so that people that weren't kicking drugs. They weren't even
addicts started wanting to come and do the game. So they'd come for the
game and then leave and go live their own lives. But then other people
that were an addict started wanting to live with these people, and they called
them lifestylers. So just the same way like uh, people in Israel would
be on a kibbutz. Yeah, they started to try to have this like
kibbutsim thing where you would all live together and everybody would have a job to
do, and like people would come in and they would be business people and
you could still like live your life and do your job, but you'd bring
all your money in and so of course you can see where that's going.
Yeah. Ever so slowly it starts to get pretty cult like, right,
because this guy Charles starts to become or Chuck, starts to get power hungry
and starts to feel like he's like God because all these people are like,
oh my God, you're amazing, Like you come up, You're God to
us, changed our lives and we and then he starts getting power hungry and
like making crazier and crazier kind of rules. Pretty soon everybody's shaving their heads.
The children have to be He decided that it's too distracting for women to
raise their kids. So they've moved them all to this like somewhere else,
like upstate California. And where were they living, like just Santa Monica in
like a house, and then they moved to another like a center. Okay,
you know where Casa del Mar is, Yes, the hotel they used
to be there. Oh. Interesting. Yeah, So meanwhile the kids get
moved to like another upstate and they don't ever see their parents, like the
parents can visit once. Well, first they had it where the parents could
visit their kids all the time and still be raising them, but they're not
living with the parents. Okay, right, so somebody else's breastfeeding your kids.
Oh, which, by the way, that could have helped me a
lot. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I would have been like,
okay, thank you, appreciate you right, appreciate. But then they decided
that that wasn't enough. It's still distracting to even have your kids around where
you feel like, oh, I should probably go see my kid today.
Yeah, and we'll get rid of that. Just move the kids, have
them raised, you have your babies, they get raised somewhere else entirely,
and then they would take pictures of them to send to the parents and have
to tell the kids, hey, do you know I were taking your picture
because your parents want to see how you've grown. They want to see if
you look different. Wow? The fuck wow? And some of them so
far, I'm only there's only two episodes and they're out of four. I
thought it was old, so I got I was so pissed because I don't
know, I just said pissed, like I live in Milwaukee. I was
so mad because I watched episode two. I'm super into it. You know,
I'm like, ah, finally like a cult doc. I can really
sing teeth and do I get to the end of the second episode, and
you know, they're like and then things got dark and then and then you
know when it shows you and there's no no go to the next episode and
you're like, wait, what sucks. I thought it was old, so
I was like, the fuck what? And then I had to go search
it and then I have to go look it up online and go how many
episodes are there? And when's the next one come out? And they're like,
oh, they're coming out every Yeah. I hate mondays, so I
should have one waiting for me when I get home. But now I'm mad.
I hate when that happens. So then I was like, well,
let me let me watch one more culty thing, And I turned on the
Luliman. I started rewatching the Luliman leggings right documentary. God, that's a
good, isn't good? I love it? And you know me and my
memory, it felt like the first time I was like, oh, she
looks familiar. Oh I love this. I love when they make fun of
the people that they're interviewing. You know, you can tell in a little
weird way how they kind of like poking fun at them, like the owners
of Luliman, the one that started it, right, and she's just sitting
there staring at the camera and they're smiling, and they're meanwhile, they're talking
about what a ship company that she, you know, what a racket it
is that she what she's doing. So many great parts to that, like
when the when the leggings get mildew, so they leave the box of the
shipment out in the rain and they call it smelly pants or something, or
stinky pants. I think so. And then remember when there was when they
made some of the designs because they were just rushing out the designs. Some
of the designs just looked like there was like a penis on because it was
bananas, right, there were several ones. And then some of them just
looked like there was literally a vagina on the leggings because it was a flower.
But the way it was was like no quality control whatsoever. Right,
Yeah, yeah, that's that. That's such a good documentary. Yeah,
what have I What did I watch? Have you guys been watching? There's
this new show on net. Well, I watched Okay, I watched on
Netflix, the Antisocial Network. Did you see that? No? Oh,
that's good. It's about like how two chan, four chan, eight chan.
I have all started. Oh it's good, it's John would like that.
Yeah, that's on Netflix. It gave me nightmares because I fell asleep
and then I'm listening to it and I don't know, and then but then
I finished it. I watched that, and then I watched What Jennifer Did,
which is another Oh. I So I saw that and I was like,
m it looked like it might be scary. No, no, it's
a true crime. She killed her parents, right, yeah, spoiler alert,
But she didn't do it. She didn't do it, she hired she
hired somebody to do it. Oh yeah, I don't think it's a spoiler
alert because it's literally in the appect, it's in the description of what it
is. It's basically that she gets arrested for killing her Yeah. So there's
a lot of like, you know, the thing that we like the most
is the interrogation video. Yes, so there's a lot of that of her
trying to get her you know, like she's saying that she so she called
nine one one and she was like, help, help, My hands are
tied behind my back. I'm tied up with my hands tied behind my back.
And the guy in the video, he's like, so okay. He's
trying to be really delicate because she just lost her parents, and he's like,
but like, last question, how did you call nine one one with
your hands tied behind your back? And she's like, oh um hmm.
She's like, why I was tied with my aunt with my hands. I
just pulled it out of my waistband and called. And then he goes,
okay, he goes, why don't you take your sweater off and show me
how you did it? Show me how you did it. Let's pretend he
goes, this is your phone. Here's your phone, and he's like where
where was it? And she goes, tucked in my waist, my waistband.
He goes, okay, tuck it in your waistband where it was?
She puts it in her back pocket or whatever, and then he's like,
okay, so your hands are tied where behind my back like this, and
she goes. He goes, okay, let me see if you can call
nine one one. So she kind of does it. She pulls it out
and she dials nine to one one like she does it like that, and
she's but her hands are down by her waist right, and he goes,
how did you hear the operator? She's like oh, and I'm thinking too,
like, oh, good question. Oh she's fucked. And she's like,
I turned up the volume. I could hear. I would have said
put it on speaker, right, but she didn't think that. She was
like fast on her feet. She's like, I turned up the volume.
And he's like, oh, you turned up the volume so you could hear
with all that commotion going And she's like, yeah, well, I was
at the top of the stairs and all the commotion was downstairs, but I
was at the top where it was quieter, like this poor girl, like
this not poor girl, but like she was like like coming on them.
So that's what made it such a dead doc is because it was a lot
of interrogation vide. Yeah, right, and then you could just see her
starting to crack. And then I watched the Newest twenty twenty in dateline from
Friday, well not the dateline, the twenty twenty from talk about mean girls.
That was a story I never heard of as a teenager who in high
school at sixteen, her two friends killed her. Oh you don't know that
story. No, that's the there's a whole documentary about it called The Three.
Yeah, it's on a podcast. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's
a famous story. That's terrible. It was terrible. Yeah, yeah.
I remember. Back when we were really into our true crime there was this
there was this episode of a show that talked about this how this famous interrogation
process they came up with this way to interrogate. It has to do with
good cop, bad cop, but it was like a total psychological thing and
they got this guy. Do you remember this was from Canada because there was
a YouTube video of it. But they they showed like from beginning to end,
there's hours of footage of this guy who murdered this woman and he was
kind of stalking her right and he at first was like absolutely not, I
didn't do it, and he was like really slick, and they just how
they wore him down and they just kept asking him questions and how eventually they
got him and it was a full on technique. There's a tall technique,
the read technique, I think is well it was it was called well,
there's one technique called the read technique. I don't know if it stands for
something. Yeah, I think it was named after somebody. The guy who
came up right right right, and it was wild to watch it go work.
Watched the guy go from not giving up any information to completely confessing right
right to how it went and I want to find this. Yeah. They
were talking about that good on the twenty twenty. They were talking about how
they the girl, the one teenage girl, like she just couldn't take it
anymore and she broke down and finally, like you know, they they broke
her but eventually and then she confessed. The other chick was never going to
confess like she was just stoic the whole time. It's amazing to me how
people if if okay, how do I put this, How some crimes can
just remain not unsolved, maybe you know who did it, but unprovable,
right, not a good court case if the person just refuses to ever confess
and that's all they have, right, Like, it just makes me think
if I ever commit a serious crime, to just keep denying it, yeah,
because at some point you're defense. It seems like the defense can just
be like, well, nope, there's God, there's there. You can't
if you can't prove it beyond a shadow. If you don't have DNA and
you don't have whatever, and you don't have a confession, then you don't
have a case, right, can't prove it, right, even if it
seems really fucking obvious. Yeah, you know, even if you've done fucked
up. Yeah, yeah, made some big, glaring mistakes, right,
Like they still can't really get Yeah, Yeah, that's true. That's what
that was going on in the twenty twenty case that I was watching. Yeah,
because they didn't have even though one girl confessed, they still needed the
other one. They needed proof on the other one because she was lying about
the crime all this time, that she could be lying about her confession,
so they truly had to wear They had to wear a wire to try and
get the other girl, and the other girl would budge, wouldn't say anything,
and then they got the DNA from the car like then they yes,
So yeah, it's crazy, but it is also crazy how sometimes you'll be
listening to something. I'll be listening to like a dateline or whatever, and
I'm like, oh, okay, cause you know, we've talked about this
before. I'm always like whatever they show me, whatever person they're talking to,
I'm like, oh, yeah, like that guy for it, you
know. And then I'm like, oh yeah, I'm convinced, yeah he
did it, you know. And then it turns out to be somebody totally
different. And sometimes I'm like, damn, I'm glad I wasn't on the
jury because I would have convicted the first guy just based on or you know,
the person confesses and then you find out later and you're like, well,
they confess, why are we why are they still walking around? Put
him in jail? I get so mad. And then you find out,
oh no, that was actually a false confession. And then there's the real
person who did it. You're like, what, we'd be terrible detectives.
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There's a new show on Amazon called Fallout, which is based on a very
popular video game. Okay, and it's by Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan's brother
who did West World. Oh oh, okay. I never really got into
the game, but I'm loving the show so far. It's starring guy named
Walton Walton Goggins. I love Walton Goggins. He's from The Shield. Yep,
he's amazing. He's one of my favorite actors. He's amazing. And
from that starring in it, and he plays this really kind of creepy character
in it, and it's about, you know, essentially, there's a nuclear
war, so you know, bombs go off in Los Angeles, nuclear fallout
two hundred years later, there's like the society that lives up on the surface.
They're all you know, criminals and you know killers, and then there's
another group of people that live in like bunkers, like shelters, and so
it's they're kind of going back and forth on that, and it's really good
so far. I'm like eight episodes. I'm like five in and I'm really
liking that. So that's what. Okay, that's good, I am.
I guess this is going with Netflix as a joke time a year, like
with the comedy festivals. But there's this Netflix series called Baby Reindeer. Have
you seen it? No? It's pretty freaking funny, it is. It
was cracking me up. I was watching it last night as I was falling
asleep, and I found myself really like interested. This is like it takes,
It's got a lot of it's it's in the UK, so it's got
that British humor kind of thing. But it's this comedian. He's a struggling
comedian and he's doing stand up but he works as a bartender at a pub
in the UK and in in in London, and in walks you know this
very you know, heavy set woman and she sits you know, she's in
her forties and she sits at the bar and she's kind of walks in and
she like in the first scene, she's like, you know, she could
tell she's distraught and she's upset, and he's kind of narrating it. He's
like, you know, you ever feel sorry for somebody you'd never met them,
but this, it's this nagging like sorrow you feel for them. And
so she sits there and he's like, can I get you something to drink?
She's like, I'm just having the worst day. And he's like,
well I can you know, do you want to drink? She goes,
I can't afford it, and he goes, okay, he goes not even
a cup of tea and she's like no, and she's like looking down and
he's like, all right, how about it. How about the cup of
teas on me? And she looks up at him and she's just like in
love. Like so she's a stalker. Oh no, she stalks him,
and he's just like this leaguer like comic who's like, what the and like
she's showing up at his comedy shows and she's the only one. He's like
making jokes and nobody's laughing, and she's laughing, like rollicking in the corner,
laughing her ass of and he's just like, I can't take my mom
anywhere. It's just it's a funny. It seems really funny. It's called
Baby Reindeer because she's like, and it's based on a true story. Really,
yes, it's a truth. It is a true story. And she
says and they use her real her real text messages. Oh my god.
She texts him and she was like, I was praying for somebody not like
she sounds southern. I can't do it English. I was praying to meet
somebody like you. I just wanted to meet a guy that looks just just
so sweet, like a little baby Reindeer. He does look like a baby.
That's so funny. Yeah, it's one of those shows. So I
was like really into it, and I can't wait to watch it tonight,
Like when I get home, all right, I'll watch that. That's good
to me. Yeah, I think you'll like it. It's really like just
witty, dry sense of humor, you know. But he's like really like
afraid for his life, you know, because she's a convicted stalker. Oh
oh yeah, he finds that out. I feel like, you know,
I come away sometimes from our Friday show with just like all these too many
shows to watch. But you know what I really need is a new podcast.
Oh really, have you been listening to anything? No? No,
Kaylin, mostly just Howard Stern. Yeah. So you guys pay like the
extra one hundred dollars a year to be able to listen to Howard Stearn.
No. You know what Jody told me to do is you can serious XM
and go, I want to cancel. I don't want to pay anymore,
and you can haggle with them. And I did that, and I said,
I don't want to pay anymore. I was paying for in my car.
I don't need it in my car. I have it on my app.
I can just listen to it on my app. I don't need da
da da da da. And I got it down to like, I don't
know, I pay like twenty five bucks a month or something. Jody got
it down to like twelve months. That seems high. That's twenty five a
month is high? Oh yeah, Oh well I don't know. Jody's got
it down to like ten dollars a month. Yeah no, I think.
Yeah, you can, but you can handle. You can haggle with them,
okay. But I had it because we were paying a lot more because
I had it in my car at home. Two other cars we had it
in, so I had it up. It was pretty high for us.
Yeah, I have it in one car and then the other car. It
didn't it wasn't even really available. But since we already have it, we
just play it. I just play it on the app in my car.
I just play it on my phone right off my phone to my car.
Yeah yeah, but it's always that extra step that I just wish I could
just I know, on the radio, and it's but I don't have Howard
Stern. You don't know, because it was when I got serious. It
was like an extra one hundred dollars from Stern. All you can call them,
yeah and try and get it down. He's pretty rich still, huh,
I would say, probably because he got re upped, because because remember
when he left Terrestrial radio and everybody was like, Oh my god, like
he's walking away, and who's gonna listen, and who's gonna do this new
fangled y XFM thing satellite radio satellite radio? And then people did, I
guess enough people, because then I think his original contract that he got from
Serio six and was five hundred million dollars for five years, and he's just
been re upping five years ever since then. That was back in what like
twenty ten or something, maybe a little earlier, but so he's just been
I guess, re upping his contract ever. So I don't know if he's
still making He made XFM what it is. I mean he made serious Oh
he absolutely did. Yeah, I mean they don't. They wouldn't have been
a thing without him. I don't think. Well, he's still like broadcasts
from his house mostly, like he still isn't going in and broadcasting from the
serious buildings. So I don't know if they're still paying him that much money
to just do it all from do it all from home, I know,
but dropped down to three days a week, and he takes that's the thing,
that's that's why that sucks. And he takes a lot of vacation time
too. Yeah, he's barely. But you can go back and listen to
like all like, you know, if you missed him interview Robert Downey June,
you can listen to that. You know, you can listen to all
the archives and stuff. But imagine, like what does he have to talk
about if he never loves his house? I know, well you'd be for
us to come up with stuff when we you know, but like he does
a lot of like bagging on his crew and like, uh, how as
much as he used to, Yeah, and having like you know, celebrities
come in and interview them and stuff like that. But yeah, he does
at his team does a lot of things so they you know, talk to
the whack packers. They go to weird conventions and do live interviews and so
a lot of it is, you know, kind of just messing with his
crew. And it's and he's old. He's getting old, Like how old
is he now? In the seventies? I think, how's Robin? She's
good? She's good? Yeah, still there, all right, still Clots
is a sidekick. All right, Well, I will think about it.
I will think about getting it, but hey, before we go Sunday Sunday,
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