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it is? You're here to listen to us, right, I'm sorry,
we're talking today about fallen angels. Yeah, this might ring some bills for
you, and if it does, put those bills away, because this is
more than likely something you haven't heard about. If you have heard of fallen
angels, you might have heard wrong. I'm gonna go out on that limb
for what I'm gonna do it. You're just gonna call our listenership wrong?
No, uh yeah, yeah, I guess so, undeniable hubris of David
Flora. We're gonna go into a little more detail than probably what has been
gone into detail for you. Probably gonna go a little more detail than you'd
want, like us too. Yeah, So we're gonna be taking a closer
look at the fallen angels that are mentioned in the Book of Enoch, which
is not in the Bible or the Apocrypha. That's right. It did not
make the final cut, didn't it? At least not a north of the
equator? Yeah, right right, Yeah, you think we'll get there,
well, you can think of it as the Shumko warwricke of the Miscrypted Contest.
Jesus really that that got you? They were twelve to pick from that.
Anyway, we're going to talk about who who they were or what they
were, and how maybe they connect with some other myths or stories that are
out there, dispel some some stuff for you, or drudge up some things
that might be haunting you from the back recesses of your sub conscience. Right,
well, you're not gonna like what we're in a fine So what is
a fallen angel? Generally speaking, it refers to a wicked or rebellious angel
that's cast out of heaven or the single most popular user handle on Yahoo answers
with a picture of the crow. Yeah. So so that's the generally thought
of, Like when when you tell somebody or fallen angel, that's that's going
to be the most popular. A horse that runs in the race or gets
written, that gets written. Let's really focus on that horse. But going
into this a little bit that that's not always going to be the case,
And as as with most stories and myths, a little more to it.
Yeah than what you're probably told or heard anybody origins of them. There's a
real quick mention of something that's kind of glossed over a lot in the Book
of Genesis and yield b Bley. If you're following along and I don't know
why you wouldn't be Yeah, I mean everyone when they push play, they
have their Bible out right. We've told you that time and time again.
Genesis six, verses one through four talks about the sons of God. Dave,
will you be so kind as to regale us with this? Dave,
will you please do the reading today? Okay, here we go from the
NIV for you and me. It's got words I understand. New International version
is that. Yeah. Yeah. When men began to increase in numbers on
the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that
the daughters of men were beautiful DADOI, and they married any of them that
they chose. Then the Lord said, my spirit will not contend with men
forever, for he is mortal. His days will be one hundred and twenty
years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards
when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by
them. They were the heroes of old men of renown. So interesting because
the NIV calls them nephilim. Yeah. The King James version, as we
looked up, calls them giants. Yeah, that's an interesting choice. So
we get a couple of interesting things just in those four verses. There sons
of God from one thing and Nephilim or giants. Now there's two ways that
that gets interpreted. Which one the sons of God reference? Okay, that
the sons of God was either referring to the sons of Seth the line from
Adam to Noah, or historically in the Old Testament, the sons of God.
That that's how they refer to angels. Right, so there's a little
you know, like, oh, who's the sons of God. However,
since it makes such a distinction between I almost think it's silly that they include
this possibility of the line of Seth, because then it goes on to be
very clear like when the sons of God did this, Yeah, and then
they they had sex with daughters of men. I mean, there's that really
clear. Sons of God daughters of men. Yeah, break these are not
this is an apple, yeah, making out with an orange. It's weird
to to interpreted as being just humans still, right, And I almost think
that it's a it's an attempt to kind of be like, Okay, things
are getting a little weird here, and then you get Nephelum to deal with
giants. So let's let's just pretend that I know. Yeah, so,
uh, Nephilim the giants. We're gonna touch on that in a little bit,
but tuck that away in your old pocket. You're gonna want to highlight
that near bible and um, we're gonna refer back to that in a moment.
Keep keep a little sticky note right next to you on the page there.
Earlier in Genesis, there's a mention of Enoch, who is the son
of Jared and father of Methuselah, whoa you know that guy Enoch also called
the seventh from Adam in this line that we just discussed, and there's the
there's this text called the Book of Enoch. Yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah,
it's really neat. It's an old Jewish religious text that dates from somewhere
between three hundred BC to one CE, so in that three hundred roughly year
time period, right around the turn of the odometer, right before we reconvert
the calendar there. It describes the fall of the Watchers and Enoch's journeys to
heaven through visions, dreams, travels, revelations, things like that, and
it's big. I mean, it is a five volume work. Yeah,
it's big, but it's not part of the biblical canon that most Jews use,
right, Jews use. Now, see, the interesting thing about about
the Book of Enoch is, Yeah, it was not included the Council of
Nicia, and it was actually until very recently thought to you know, people
largely ignored it. By recently, I mean the twentieth century, but it
was found that it was actually still and still is canonical. It is still
a part of the teachings of the church in Ethiopia. It traveled south and
there was some historical context there that a queen from Ethiopia went north and actually
met King Solomon and she got pregnant by him and came back down, and
that was already a part of the lore of that area. And then when
this the Book of Enoch was made known to them, they already had this
sort of tie in, and so it was and so that's it still lived
and is taught in that area as as canon um. So it's so it's
a really interesting point that that there's a few churches that still incorporate the Book
of Enoch and the teachings of it. But most of the most of the
obviously Council of Nicia were like yea or nay, no, moving on,
sorry Enoch. So it's sometimes described as a pseudopographa, which is falsely attributed
works or misrepresented authorship of texts. Sometimes also um that were describes a false
pig, the writings of a of a fake a pig. That's great that
but anyway, it's it's still a very interesting work. There's even a second
book of Enoch, which is popular in the Slavic Orthodox churches. Uh and
there's even a third Enoch that's out there. They just kind of get a
little bit more, you know, that eyebrow goes up every book that comes
out. For the third one was called en Knocking Knock, Knocking on your
dough, right, heavens doer ha Enoch too, the Return of Enoch,
and then Enoch three knock rides again. It's just like nobody's watching by that
point vengeance for Enoch. Uh. So a lot of the stuff that we
are pulling from is coming from this first Enoch book, and in particular the
Book of the Watchers, which is kind of I think the first volume in
the work. And this book also laid a lot of the foundation of the
work for Dante's Inferno, right, Um, that there was he drew on
this kind of piece that I guess you could call it apocrypha because it wasn't
included. Yeah, he drew on this a lot in his work and it
and it lists not only the names of angels who fell, but also there
there their occupations, like what they were in charge of. It also on
into the the first book of Enoch talks about Enoch himself being guided through the
circles of heaven basically and what he saw, and it's it very much parallels
a lot of stuff that that you find leader in Dante's work. Yeah,
which is very interesting, and we might touch on that in a future episode.
Yeah. If you're like, I want more of that, well you
just have to wait. But it's coming. It's like a pie cooling on
the shelf. If you listen to it too soon, you're like a hobo.
You'll burn your mouth. You just get burned. But it smells good.
Um, So let's get back to the Sons of God thing. Let's
do a little bit and it's this is a classic and you'll see this.
This plays out in tons of religions. Yeah, I mean look at Hercules
when when you have I mean, look at him. He's amazing. Oh,
look at him like Kevin Sorbo, which, by the way, who
on Earth looked at him and said, yeah Hercules. Um. But yeah,
the the idea of the divine individual mating with the mortal and their offspring
being caught between two worlds and but always you know, imbued with a couple
of extra powers or a thing going on. Yeah. Uh, you know,
you see it in the Greeks, like I said, but you see
it in this as well. And in this case, the Nephelim are giants.
Yeah, and the Nephelim actually are sons of the Sons I guess you
would, you would say, but the sons of God. They have been
equated two angels coming down from heaven. It's mentioned in Genesis as we just
read and job and it's possibly translated as sons of God's plural. There's that's
been thrown out there. That's a dangerous little ass man. I'll take this
moment to say that there's a lot of material to draw from. Yeah.
For this episode, we we really had to kind of focus in on a
couple of sources of this. It was kind of a pain in the ass
to research because one thing will say this translates is this, and the next
page says this translates it's nice. Oh, and that's that is one of
the most frustrating things about Bible scholarship is that it's so easy to miss a
nuance. Yeah, when you're working, you know, when you're translating these
things from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek Acadian. Yeah, there's so many,
so many cop nuances that, yeah, I can get lost in a translation
if you overliteralize something or you you know, it's it's such a delicate and
dangerous thing, Yeah, which is why a lot of stuff, for some
reason, we're gonna I thought you were gonna say, which is why millions
of people get killed about it all the time. I really thought that was
like that, because that's I was like, wow, you're this is such
a dangerous thing. No, but really, yeah, but it's true.
And it's also why you get the King Jay version, which is everybody's I
think a go to favorite. Yeah, I care in a story from Grandpa,
I'm saying a lot of generalizations in this episode, by the way,
or accustomed to your narrow minded bigotry. Okay, good, So the King
James version for one thing, A lot of the translations. Keep in mind
this has been translated from Greek, which was translated from Hebrew, which you
know could have been in anything airmake like we said, Acadian, a Coptic,
Hebrew, all that stuff thrown together, and then you get the different
regions had their different ways of saying things. And yeah, you can see
how some of this is kind of like, well, now we've got this
Frankenstein story right, and it's obviously it's it's difficult because there's so much weight
on every word, right, and there's so much you know, analysis that
goes into it that I mean, yikes, what do you what do you
do? So? What have we done? Yeah, we kind of jumped
in the in the pool here and I thought it was six foot but no,
it's no, no, it's I can't even see the bottom. It's
it's at least twelve to thirteen feet, the height of your average naphilim.
What keep keep hinting at it? I don't think that was a hint.
That's so sons of God's weird. And again is this angels is it heavenly
beings is something else? Is it? Hold on? Hold on, give
me ten minutes to get my hair ready. Okay, thanks for taking that
break. Let me gonna get my crappy tweet jacket. Let me shove a
couple of Spanic copetas in my mouth. That's good. Opah, Okay,
I'm ready. Is it aliens? But now these it's been said that they
could come from old Jewish myths of angels procreating with human women and coming from
heaven by choice as opposed to being cast down out of it. Yeah,
and it seems that the verse we read out of Genesis implies that I think,
yeah, they were like, hello, ladies, because there's they're all
dudes, right, They're all the angels are men. So I'm gonna kind
of breathe some more fire onto that in a minute. But this idea of
angels coming down from Heaven is expounded in Enoch chapters one through thirty six,
which is what we call the Book of the Watchers, which I mentioned before.
That's the first kind of and by watchers, I mean angels that are
sent to Earth to watch over humans. This is the idea that has put
forth in the book Further details about them are added in the Book of Jubileese
right, another other non canonical book. Yeah, it's also mentioned in Daniel,
but scholars think the one that's in Daniels not not necessarily the same beings.
Yeah that these these guys are so so as has happened here on earth
so many times. Uh yeah, send the guards down to the prison.
They end up having sex with the inmates. Story of my Life, one
of the one of the verses reads, they descended upon the earth that they
should instruct the children of men that they should do judgment and uprightness upon the
earth. Now to this end, watchers to me kind of sounds synonymous with
like shepherds, right, Like mankind is something that they have to kind of
watch out, don't don't run on the street, you know, be careful.
To me, it sounds like warden and that maybe that maybe you just
have a nicer disposition. Ultimately, it's I guess it's the same thing,
right right, taking taking care of something that may or may not be in
captivity. Right, Yeah, that's getting weird. Get your spanacopolis out.
Yeah, so let's jump over real quick to sumeer yield. Sume you remember
that one, just to set the stage a little bit here for us before
we get into the watchers themselves. Sumerians themselves called where they lived translated,
so they think the play of the civilized lords. But some people go so
far as to call it the land of the Watchers. And some people have
also said that the I guess Egyptian term for sumer was ta natter or I
do not know how to pronounce Egyptian. Oh you don't, Oh you suck,
I'm mad at you. Go ahead, tah nader or nater natar,
which all of our are, all of our fluent Egyptian speaking listeners, please
feel free to chime in anytime, guys, any time. That to them,
I guess meant divine land, which I thought was interesting. Yeah.
Now, in the old stories, the watchers are said to have looked like
large humans that never slept and never spoke, but that I kind of got
the sense that it was kind of an exaggeration of their resolute image. Yeah,
you know, see, maybe I'm just fixed, But that says like
like guard like warden, like it's it's it's a constant vigilance, which is
interesting if you really do go down the Aliens route Um, no, no,
no, it goes it's I think, uh, I think Keanu Aliens
bro because Aliens, that's that's that's Bill Pullman Aliens. Okay, and we're
we're we're doing Keanu stock. There's a big difference bad aliens. See and
when in in ten thousand years, when this gets translated a few times,
it's not they're not gonna understand that nuanced difference. That's true. The Book
of Flora instead of the Watchers, it was the Watchers. The Book of
Flora will not be included in the cannon for the techno Bible. Oh man,
it's all right. I'll have my own sect. Yeah, the Gnostic
Florians. Oh man, that's brilliant. I want I want me to be
like the was it the Collie the death Cult, the underground death Cult?
That's me. Wow, that's pretty hardcore. Yeah, we'll call ourselves.
See, I don't want it to be like the main trunk of like the
religious tree, so we're like an offshoot, like a branch. So I'll
just Mike, we'll just call ourselves the branch. David No David David David,
IITs David Davids did davidians I'll call it the branch Davidians. Perfect.
All right, mark that down, let's keep going. Uh So, the
story goes that there were around two hundred watchers who got super horny cause human
women were so foxy daddy they call them. Or they swore an oath with
each other. This is the funny part. They swore an oath that I
one of them made a booty call that they all had to make booty calls.
What they swore an oath. The leader of them was like, if
somebody does this, it's gonna look bad on me. It's all gonna I'm
gonna get the ship for this. So if we all do it, then
it's not so bad for all of us. Worst strategy ever. I mean,
I know it's olden times, so like maybe there wasn't as much history
to draw upon. But these are also, you know, divine beings with
presumably a superior intellect. That's what if what if people in rehab facilities made
that deal. That doesn't make any sense. We all shoot up unless oh
well, you know, dude, if I go into that bar and have
a beer, we're all gonna have to get good trees ashoohoo, A bad
idea. It's a dumb idea, but anyway, that's that's what they did.
Angel logic, there's your new hashtag America and uh. And so they
did it. They went and chose wives. That's I think important. They
chose wives. Yeah, and that was the other thing that that they like.
It seemed very transactional. I mean like they could just walk and be
like, hey, yeah, it's like the gap. But on the in
their interesting lot between the Tigris and Euphrates was the gap in their defense.
There's this being of light and purity, sculpted by God himself and depending on
your description, sometimes clad in the armor of the truth and light itself.
And then there's a really stinky guy over there, just like trying to scratch
some some dirt, maybe plant some crops. Which are you going to choose?
Right, It's like the world of like Brad Pitts, And then a
whole bunch of Ricky Gervais is over there. I don't know why I picked
Tricky Gervaise. I think it was great. But they chose wives, and
they defiled themselves with them, and they lovingly defiled themselves. And the wives
eventually had giants as children and that is where we get this mystical nihilum that
we keep talking about. This is like twenty five percent on jack ass question,
seventy five percent actual question for me, Did you see anything? Because
I didn't, and I was wondering about what happened to these women who had
giant babies? No? U did? They just explode and there was a
baby there where she used to be? To my mind, the babies came
out babyside baby size and then just grew incredibly Okay twice yeah, okay,
okay, okay, I'm just curious. But I'm sure there's a book out
there in some jar in a cave that's that's like, and the women exploded
us and lo, the men were showered with their in tred sintolok not such
as the papyrus explodes on a hot summer's day. Boo. Okay, so
now we have now we have the filed children of angels who and these things,
as we said, they're like eleven twelve foot tall horrid creatures. Yeah,
they're they're just they're mean. They're mean, they're cannibalistic, warlike,
they're they're pretty much everything they don't want in a baby they're like Harry Potter
giants, although I don't know that they're that dumb, you know what I
mean, Like, I don't think it it said because they're they're half divine.
Yeah, they're half watcher and half human, so they're bad news.
But they're still capable of junk. And maybe maybe that was the whole reason.
Maybe God was like, listen, I know how this ends. It
ends with gigantic assoles. They're like, they're like attack of the thirteen foot
bros. Yeah, And in the sounds of their collars popping could be heard
throughout the valley, the beer tabs popping. Chuck. Why are my children
they approach b Yeah, hey bro, bro bros? Was your wind?
Yeah? Is Dave Matthews here yet? Because we're partially divine so we have
knowledge of the future in the past. Is he here yet? Dudes?
No, We'll come here and I'll eat you quick cock blocking me dudes.
What's fun about these guys is the connection to something that we have just mentioned,
the old tioaku. Yeah, who needs a giant place to live for
giants? But we haven't found any giant bones or have we we haven't or
have we didn't know? Aliens Uzo. So these guys actually, uh,
we're kind of the cause of the old great dale us. Right, So
this this is I never knew this. I never heard about this. Guys
ever, you guys ever heard this here? Never heard about this? Hey,
Paul, you you heard about this sign this flood? You heard about
this flood? H Yeah. So the that was the that was the core
of the sin that God had to expunge from the earth. That this is
by their telling, by the book of Evnach's story, this was the thing
that the flood was sent to cure. Yeah, it got so bad that
that he had to wipe them out and any basically any trace of them.
They were, I think having sons by this time, by the time it
gets to to like floodstage, because when like when we go back to that,
we actually stopped but the we stopped at verse four but verse five of
Genesis chapter six to remind you not to get too bibly about this. But
this is really interesting. Yeah, Um, the verse four said, you
know there were naphelim on the earth in those days. And also after that,
when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, they bear
children, they became mighty men were of old and men of renown um,
not necessarily in a good way where negative attention not positive attention. Goliath,
right, I heard of him? Uh, and so and then in verse
five he says, God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every imagination, the thoughts of his heart was only of
evil continually, and so boom, and Lord repented that he had made man
on earth, and it grieved him at his heart. So he's he's very
upset that this whole debacle has gone down, and she should have never done
it. I should have never taken that clay, yeahs Daisy, And why
did I take that rib out? And so yeah, exactly. So he's
he's upset that there's this this evil abomination running him auk on the earth.
And so in verse seven he says, all right, uh, and the
Lord said, I will destroy man who I have created from the face of
the earth, both man and beast, and the creeping thing and the fouls
of the air, for it repenteth me that I have made them. He
rage quits, Yeah, he does. He rage quits. I says,
over, I'm deleting my character starting this world never see me on this server
again. Good luck. No one can have my axe. I think I'm
gonna I think I'm gonna create a dwarf. Now I think running dwarf.
Want to run a tank? Yeah, so yeah, he rage quits and
but that. But this was a huge piece of it. This was a
big motivating factor in the flood. Flood, the flood, the flood.
Additionally, though, the Watchers were also part of this rage quit that that
God does because they taught humans technology and forbidden arts such as weaponry and chanting,
sorcery, astrology, cosmetics, geomancy, weather, dianetics, dianetics,
the Adkins, diet oh Man, what are histories? Uh? Flora fun
improv game. Top three bad ideas in history that were taught by the Nephelum
one um deep Fried Twinkies, two Nickelback, and three um Skynet. Well
done. I would have gone with reaganomics, the designated and no free refills.
It's because it's not the same. Yeah, it's just not the same.
It's like it's like having a guy on your team whose job it's just
to eat cake. You earn the right to hit in the outfield, you
play defense so that you can participate in the offense. We know you're passionate.
Um, not figure yet. But because of that, because of them
teaching these these forbidden arts to mankind, these two hundred angels quote angels watchers
fell out of the grace of heaven. They disobeyed God, they defiled themselves,
and they fell out of his favor. Yep, that's the fall of
these angels. It's not that they literally were kicked out of the mothership and
fell to earth in a burning blaze and went on straight on through to hail
and in what there's a weird parallel in Cologne realism to people. You know
that you got these guys they go to ships to islands, and the amount
of guys who would either mutiny or abandon their ship to go live among the
natives. And those guys weren't ever allowed back, No, they were shunned.
Yeah, it's happened to as old as time. Angels getting horny.
Sons of man and daughters can be our giants, be our giants. Please
don't murder us or kill us because you're a giant and you're evil and you
fucking hate yourselves. You're defiled, you're reviled, and you never ever smile.
You keep eating us in yourselves and you have two sets of teeth.
Anyway, there were a few years of flood. The man soon and you'll
all do something else. Oh God, I destroyed everything around me. Wow,
musical episode. Um. There were some angels that remain loyal in heaven,
and these are the named archangels that you get. This is Gabrielle,
Raphael, Uriel, and Donna Cello. Nope, Michael, those close.
Yeah. And if you're sensing a pattern here and splinter to train them all
and the first fallen angel, what's cran If you're sensing a pattern in these
names, the l parts of God ill, So you kind of get one
of those, one of those stoppages in there. Gabriel, Raphael, l
ginger Ale, ginger Il go to Els delicious. They are also representative of
the four cardinal points suit so they say you also get a few more that
are thrown out there, Raguel, Ramiel and Sara Keel. Those are your
archangels that clean up shop. But the fallen angels that are named, they're
called the chiefs of Tins. So you get roughly around twenty leaders of these
two hundred angels that come down and get their their booties shaken. And for
the most part we get most of them. There are some names out there
that are not floating around right, but some people think they are. I
don't know. But the leader of them, called Sammyaza taught enchantments and root
cutting to humans. Then you get Issaizaal, who taught metalwork, warfare,
some cosmetics because he likes his ladies and n eyeliner. Oh no, this
guy, this guy is the most rock and roll because he works hard and
he plays hard. He taught how to make swords, knives, shields,
armor, but he also taught mascara. I enjoy the ballance. Isaisale or
maybe it's maybe he knows what he likes. He likes shoving swords and dudes
and shoven other stuff in ladies. Then you get Arakael, who taught geomancy
or is some text refer to it the signs of the Earth. You get
Amorros, which may be a Greek translation of armony, some of them called
armors and u. He taught enchantments and sorcery. Then you get Gadriel,
who taught cosmetics some more, and they doubled up on that because they loved
how the ladies. Look, that's where this whole thing started. Yeah,
there was there's one thing I read that said he may have been the actual
tempter of Eve in the old garden. You know. I'll tell you what
though. This is where, like I love the Book of Enoch because it
is it's it's historical, like it really, that's a real document from back
then of people. Whether it's true or not, I don't care. It's
a genuine historical document that has a lot of religious significance to people. I
feel like this is one of those things that like some jackass in college gets
ahold of it and then just as oh, well dude, I've just figured
it out. This is how this happens, and this is where this guy's
connected to this guy. Yeah well yeah yeah maybe maybe so maybe no right
maybe uh maybe the arc wasn't a boat. Maybe it was a tube with
a bunch of DNA in it. You know, who knows who? Oh
man, was that a penis reference? Oh no, that's what I thought.
I guess it could be. Yeah. But then we get to Barackayel,
who taught astrology and hope, thanks Baracayell. And then then you get
Bizaliel I guess I'm probably murdering these names. But most texts, I guess
are damaged with this dude, and they're not sure what what he did,
but they just see the name comptrollers. It was probably head comptroller. Yeah,
yeah, he was. He was keptain obvious. That's it. Uh.
Then you get Chizakiel, or in some translations, Ezekiel, who taught
the signs of the clouds and meteorology. Then we have Cocabiel, who taught
astrology and constellations and also was said to command some three hundred and sixty five
thousand spirits whoa in sort of a little army. That's a thousand for every
day. And then then we get Pinemue, who taught wisdom and writing yep
s also actually also attributed with some like cooking crazy enough. Yeah yeah,
yeah, I mean it's it's written a little like the thing that I saw.
It's that he taught the bitter and the sweet. Oh I see,
Yeah, forbidden knowledge. People shouldn't know that. Sorry. L had many
translations with with this name may also be Sarakiel, which is one of the
archangels, so there's there's a little confusion with this. But if it's a
fallen angel. Sorry. L taught the phases of the moon to people,
which used to be forbidden knowledge. And then then we get Champsil, who
had a ton of jobs, good and talk. I'm Champsil, But in
Jubilee, in the Book of Jubilees, he teaches the signs of the Sun.
So that's a that's a quick rundown of the chiefs of Tins. Now
it's not every single chief. I don't think. I think I've got one,
missed a few, great one. What do you got. I've got
kas Deja or kis Deja, who taught the children of men all of the
wicked smiting is of spirits, demons and the smitings of the embryo in the
womb that it may pass away. WHOA what I'm raising an eyebrow out that
one. Are you kidding? No way, I think that's legit. What
what what's your what's your u r L? Say? Don't you trust my
U r L? It's the echoes of Devon. Dude. Oh yeah,
Devin, I guess everything else that this guy has is totally in line with
what you said. So just sound just sounds like something that got thrown in
there when this whole abortion stuff started popping up all over the place. No
way, no way. And also, I mean, I don't care.
You're talking to the Yahoo answers guy here. Oh fair enough, So what
happened to these dudes? I mean, you don't just go down and smack
a bunch of the drowned, in particular Azi Zell apparently bound and buried in
the desert by Raphael until judgment day when he will be cast into a lake
of fire. Not a good lifetime for him. Yeah, Semiaza and the
rest were confined in the abyss by Michael. That's what in the valleys of
the earth. That's that would make an't getting lower than the bottom of the
ocean. I don't think that would make a really great like that that style
of cinematography, like the three Hundred or the Immortals, that would make a
great movie. Yeah, this would be much cooler, you know, in
that style, like you said, like a three hundred with just angels the
angel you know, oh yeah, and like the Fallen Angels they're like siring
these these giant monstrous men and they're like, oh God, there's people cowering,
and the angels come down from heaven and there's a huge battle and how
each of these guys gets locked away. Here's You're welcome, Hollywood, Well
he's welcome. Here's the thing. There are some stories that there was a
huge battle in heaven and you find it in the Indian Mahabarata, you know.
There there's the uh, the the war in heaven and stuff, the
chariots that that fly around and and just this huge, all out battle.
There's some stories that say this happened. This is the Watchers, the Fallen
Watchers versus the loyal Angels in Heaven. They battle it out, and then
the flood happens, you know, and God commands Michael Raphael Gabriel all those
guys to Casey Jones. He gets in there and during the flood they're all
like Calabunga, but he commands them to wipe out the rest of the Foot
Clan fallen Angels. And then and then the major players, the leaders of
these guys are are chained up bound they're thrown thrown into the abyss. It's
always a little a little creepy and interesting when two cultures have very similar stories.
Thenceforth, the Fallen Watchers were labeled evil and demonic, and the killing
of the nihilum released their spirits, the Neiphilim spirits, which plague mankind today.
Apparently that's awesome and that's fascinating, Like I love that stuff. Yeah,
so those are your fallen angels from from Enoch? Now what about that
that one fallen angel? What about the one? The one I'm always hearing
about and he's he's just a nasty character. Oh, I can't seem to
think his name on the hand, I don't know how Gosh, it's right
on the tip of my forked tongue. Oh, David, is it?
Could it be thunder sound? Thank you, Dana Carvey? Yes, Actually,
how about that, dude? Yeah, isn't he supposed to be a
fallen angel? What do you know about fallen angel? What? Yeah?
What's He's the reason I too many sweets? He pissed, he pissed off
God. Yep, God kicked him out. Yep. He got no longer
be obedient unto the word of God, right, and so was cast down.
In Hebrew satan comes from the meaning to oppose, or translated with ha,
which is the definite article. The ha means the so if you get
hasatan that's the adversary or the accuser. Basically, it's more of a title
than a being in most cases. So you could run for Satan. Yeah,
I'd say, Congress already got elected to that job. Zing Hasatan appears
thirteen times in two books Job and Zechariah, and then Satan by itself ten
times in five other books, with various translations throughout them. Sometimes they say
straight up Satan, sometimes they they say adversary. Sometimes they'll they'll say accuser
or something. But in Hebrew, Satan is in there in all those instances
that now in English have some different words to them. Devil is derived from
the Greek diabolos, which I guess means slanderer. Sometimes Satan is an instrument
of God to tempt humans and report back to him. So he's literally saying,
hey, Satan, go down there and mess with everybody, and if
if they do bad, if they sin, come back and tell me so
I can kick their asses. That's douche, it's and it's entrapment. It
is entrapment. Sometimes he's considered just an evil spirit or or just an evil
influence. It's not, you know, not a being. It's it's just
the influence. Of evil as Satan. Popularly, he's an arrogant angel who
rebels against God and is kicked out of heaven. But that is never literally
stated in the Bible. Just assumed it's it's inferred yep, in a couple
of places, but you'd be surprised, and it maybe to further tease.
I don't know, Maybe it might be worth a podcast to discuss how much
of the concept of hell and Satan is inferred as opposed to explicitly stated.
True spoiler alert. The vast majority. Yeah, and this is this is
a prime example. It's never the devil or Satan or Lucifer in in the
Garden of Eden, it's the serpent. And that's just and they've been running
our shit ever since. And later in Revelation people say, oh, that
ancient serpent that they mentioned the great dragon. Well, if they call it
a serpent here they in Genesis right back in the book in front, it's
got to be the same thing. That's the same guy, you know who
he came up with, that an agent Greek. I'm dumping alone that guy.
And speaking of Lucifer, you heard about this from the Hebrew Kalel.
I think well done. Appears once in Isaiah fourteen twelve and is the King
James version translation. That's where you get Lucifer. More accurately, it's translated
as morning Star or son of the Dawn, also the day Star. The
passage itself, this Isaiah, this passage from Isaiah. It's a taunt to
or about a Babylonian king. It's not even about devil. But they talk
about how arrogant this being is in rising up and thinks he's the morning Star
and he ain't so big. Falls Christ is back down to earth. He's
struck down, and you know, uh, and and people just I guess
assume automatically it's the devil. It can't be, you know, even though
in the sentence before they say Babylonian king or babylon you know this or that
it's it's still up. Suddenly we're we've got this whole to the cond nation
of the devil and now back to business. Wait, condemn the devil.
Here. Closer to the to the popular belief is the Islamic Shaitan, right,
which we have discussed. We talked about, Yeah, uh, Iblis
remember this dude, Yeah, a gin who refused to bow before Adam thus
he fell from alas grace and earned the title Shaitan, very roughly translated as
rebel or or devil or adversary. So so again, there's there's another religion
that's even even there's is not necessarily cut and dry. Yeah, like you'd
one, I don't think. No, No, there's And that's the thing
that when when it comes to the the opposing side, it's all there's so
much inference, and because it suits the people prostalytizing, that part is played
up. It's hard to offer reward without showing the risk. Yeah, and
and in the irony of being that usually you're you're doing the opposite, You're
you're playing up the reward downplaying the risk. But when it comes to saving
souls, it's easier to make sure people understand what the what option be is
first and then give them option A. It's better for sales. Interesting,
and that's how we teach you about salesmanship, and also about the fallen angels.
Yeah, how about damn apples in a a lecherous plummeting nutshell. This
again, it's it's it's very interesting because it sticks. It's in a lot
of buckets, so many buckets and and also those buckets were women and the
daughters of men, and they beget gigantic buckets. Takes the fun thing with
this, and and the frustrating thing. It's fun and frustrating that they're funstrating
so so many sources to pull from, so much out there to look at
and say, well, this sounds like this, this looks like that,
this comes from this, This is exactly copying this Egyptian myth, This is
exactly copying Zoroastrianism. I mean, take your pick, but like we we
tried to boil down here some some of the decent cream of it. We
boiled it. We boiled the cream, boiled the cream, and now it's
delicious. No, one, it's not. You know. That's if you
put condensed milk in a crock pot, it turns in a caramel really.
Yeah, you don't have to like flavor it. No, it just does
it all right, clip and save audience. Do they sell condensed milk anymore?
I guess I got to I'm a bachelor man, I don't. I
have no idea, because condensed milk is like is like a second tier ingredient
for people who are doing advanced cooking Okay, I don't have any care.
What you mean is that you put the Kraft mac and cheese packet in accidentally
tried to cook it in the crock pot when you were drunk, right,
and suddenly you got caramelized cheese. No, it's because my friend Derek's mom
made like caramel pie, which was just a slice of caramel with a crust.
It was amazing. And is this the same guy who would eat the
steakhams? No, No, that was a different guys. I did find
out those things still exist. I saw him at a story the other day.
Oh those are rough. You can't feed him to a dog man,
No, you can't. They're the worst flurry photos brought to you. Not
buy stakeams. Oh god, moral moral conundrum. What if stakeams is like,
we will pay you one million dollars? Done sold? I have no
soul, I don't care. No, where's your women to defile? Yeah?
But I asked his mom. I was like, how he do you
make this? She's like, you put condensed milk and a croc pot and
let it just sit there for like eight hours, and then then you have
a croc pot full of caramel. Weird, right, Well, cooking tips
with Dave and David yep, right after the Angel talks right, Oh do
you need uh? I also would like to offer you this sweet tip.
Why don't you put the puns at the end of every episode because people lack
it like that? Oh, tied up real nice and tied on top.
I could use some puns. This man, it's been it's been a big
it's been a steak um to chew on for this go around the worst got
something out of it without without us being too a preachery. Yeah, no,
I don't think we went too bad. We've we've gone off the rails
worse than that in the past. Yeah. So if you're still around,
you know, this actually came to us from a listener suggestion from our listener,
Jeff. Thanks, thanks, thank you, Jeff. Was a great
idea. We would not have come up with us on our own. I
guarantee it. Yeah, that's true, that's true. Told you, I
mean we we might have touched on nephelim yep. I think. And it's
it's a weirdly big it unfolds. Yeah, it gets bigger as you go.
And that that was surprising to me as well. Yeah. Yeah,
And it's it's a it's a big pizza to take toppings off of, it's
a giant pumpkin. You're just scooping guts and scooping guts. But the whole
religious history kind of stuff, the biblical man, that's a rabbit hole.
Yeah, it's yeah, it's a rabbit hole that that has no bottom and
is full of like YouTube channels, right, and people are stabbing you the
whole way down and telling you what a terrible person you are. So well,
we'll try. I like biblical history and stuff, just in the fact
that a lot of it is there's more to it than what is usually taught
or the translations. Thing gets me every time. It's just like in the
original text, you know, which maybe you can listen to that because that's
coming from it's closer to people that may have actually experienced something, yeah,
than some monks sitting in sales illuminating manuscripts. Monks. And before I rant
some more, let's go on and get to these pawns. Oh are we
gonna do puts? I thought that we had just blown right up then stand
yeah, right in my mouth, I was like, wow, I really
took it to the hoop with the puns. It's not happening. I went
first last time, so you get to go. You always say that,
but I don't know if it's always true. Oh okay, well maybe you
can keep track and then well you got me there, all right, sucker.
But it turns out that the spawn, the sires of angels and the
daughters of man, they weren't all bad. No, no they were.
They were gigantic, cannibalistic, evil, mean spirited, and ugly creatures,
but they were amazing musicians. So if you ever get yourself a time machine,
why don't you go check out the Nephilmharmonic Orchestra. I hear the Divorce
rack Symphony number nine is wonderful. Oh, they're doing noc turns next season.
Actually, they did a little stint where they where they played some reggae
music. Did you hear about that? No you didn't hear about that?
No I didn't. I didn't read that newspaper. It goes along with the
hot new beach craze where they have huge giant bars to slip under. It's
called nifilimbo. Oh nice. Alright, tough guy, All right, I'm
not I'm not done with you yet. Okay, amongst the fallen angels who
who imparted this ancient and forbidden knowledge unto man, you know, like we
went over, they taught metallurgy, astronomy, astrology, so many things.
But amongst them was one who actually taught them how to make food extra spicy,
and that was Sharachi. Al Yeah, stuff so evil even today.
H Sharacha translates as ancient evil. Yeah, all of mankind sins in your
mouth. Gross. Well, I've got a I've got a mobile phone here
with it's just got a terrible plan, just the worst, the stupidest plan
that you can have. If you use it, you just you're gonna want
to go out bury it in the desert and throw it in a lake of
fire. Okay, it's called the ass l phone. Oh man, I
see what you did there? I see And that's puns. Hey, what
you might want to do, just if you're if you're sitting there, allow
us to impart to you some ancient and forbidden knowledge. Things you should do
that may seem wrong or bad. There's a there's an ancient text that you
can look up actually on your your phone or mobile device or computer, laptop,
desktop toptop top hat Top Gun. Do you know that the girl from
Top Guns gay? Uh? So Kelly McGillis is gay. That's what I
heard, boy, Flora, you just took my breath. Oh wow wow,
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