1 00:00:15,279 --> 00:00:19,199 What is Kraft the Black and fellow Simon deer A efforts. I am a 2 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,879 Dana Valley coming at you as always with my certified fantabulous thirdmone who Queer af 3 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:30,079 co host mister Grant Hughes. Today we are going to be talking about NBA 4 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:35,600 teams who are one player away from being a legitimate inner circle title contender. 5 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:38,600 Doesn't necessarily have to be a one player who's not on their team. It 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,719 could be a reasonable developmental leap, but we wanted to dig into that. 7 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,119 We'll dig into our actual inner circle of these teams are title contenders right now. 8 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:49,399 It'll be a fun discussion. As a brief note at the top, 9 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:54,920 we are recording this before the n season tournament semifinals. 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They're on the screen, they're in the podcast description as 29 00:01:56,799 --> 00:01:59,280 well. Grant, I like, what are you doing? Man? I 30 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:02,400 like to be a real creep on Discord and just kind of observe, you 31 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:06,359 know, I don't I'll dive in there if something strikes my fancy, but 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,000 I definitely do just kind of hang out there and see what's going on. 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,039 Was SU's arguing about what see what see what I've been wrong about, which 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,439 I mean it's very Kevin Durant Burner type stuff. But you're using your actual 35 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:23,360 account to do it because you're exactly it's perfect system, one player away. 36 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:27,919 I'm excited to do this because, well, for one, I had a 37 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,000 really hard time deciding what the inner circle of uh, like you know true 38 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,840 blue note questions asked title contenders should be like what what is that threshold? 39 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Because it's not saying you know, title favorite is hard enough. But then 40 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,639 if it's like how who who are we kicking out? So I guess like 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,759 we may as well just start there. And I think we should just do 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,280 this by consensus, and I could be talked into or out of this this 43 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,479 group here, So I think it's fair to say we agree on like Boston 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,400 is in this group, and we will not be saying they're won anything away 45 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,759 Denver diddo. After that, do you have I mean, where do we 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,400 go over? Those are for sure? Those are for sure, and they 47 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:13,759 could tech they might just be in their own tier. Maybe I do think 48 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,599 there are two I have two other do I have three other teams. I 49 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:22,960 have three other teams. Okay, Milwaukee's one of them, right, Yeah. 50 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,080 I really do believe that the defenses can be obviously concerning, especially in 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,319 transition. But we talked about this. You dig into the line of bait 52 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,039 or their most important players, they can get the job done on the court 53 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,120 defensively for the most part in those minutes. It would be nice if they 54 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,759 could go out. I think if you were gonna say, and this is 55 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,680 and this will tie into how we define one player away, I would view 56 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:46,960 the Bucks if you say they're one player away, I view that player as 57 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:53,560 a reacquisition of Javon Carter or getting Tory Craig. I don't consider that to 58 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,960 be in the spirit of the definition of one player away. No, like, 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,280 because we're not We're not saying any of these teams that are in the 60 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,520 inner circle are perfect or like don't have needs. Would be very easy to 61 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,639 say, well, the Bucks need a big wing defender that can close games, 62 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,599 like easy, that's that's a thing they need. But we're saying, 63 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,719 I mean, if you had to give them something, but we're not saying 64 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:16,879 that's necessary for them to be They're already good enough. Right, Like, 65 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,759 so, yeah, everybody needs something, but like this is there's a glaring 66 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:27,279 issue or or you know, roster spot or whatever that is preventing teams from 67 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,519 being like, yeah, that's a title threat, you know, in a 68 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,040 in a real way. So Milwaukee I have also, So that's Boston, 69 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,519 Denver, Milwaukee. Do you have? I have one more non negotiable non 70 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:42,199 negotiable? Okay, who is it? Well, I'm everything's negotiable because it's 71 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,560 you and I like to know, but I like that you feel strongly. 72 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,000 It's Minnesota. Okay. I also have Minnesota without a question mark next to 73 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,040 them. Okay, so those are like the four and it's just Minnesota is 74 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,199 the top eight of their rotation. There's things, Yes, could they use 75 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,639 someone who's just higher volume in shooting or a backup point guard? I mean, 76 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:00,879 but they are. I mean, if they have Javon Carter, I 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,279 might just pick them to win the title. That's not actually true. I 78 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,680 would pick the Nuggets, but you get you guts like it's it's the Milwaukee 79 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,319 level of that. So even if you don't have them in the realm of 80 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,040 Boston Denver, that's like one A, one B. They're still in my 81 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,560 inner circle. I do have a fifth team here that is very much negotiable 82 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,480 because we are at the quarter pole and it's there are real issues that we've 83 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,959 seen from this team, and I think we can all sort of guess what 84 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,879 it is, and it's the It's the Phoenix Suns. And I don't know 85 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:32,079 if you have them as a candidate to be thrown in here, do you 86 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,199 view them as one player away? What is that one player away? And 87 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:39,519 are so very quickly The things that concerned me helped with this team, the 88 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,639 turnovers. I thought Devin Booker was gonna stabilize it a lot more than he 89 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,399 has. Maybe the return of Bradley Beal does, But even after that, 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,319 you know, you start to dig into this again, we're at the quarter 91 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,600 pole. They've dealt with injuries, Devin Booker has missed a ton of time. 92 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,680 The fact that they're sixteenth in defense, it almost feels like incredible. 93 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,680 I would think you look at the personnel and I would I would think that 94 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:01,959 they would be even lower than that. And they've had to do a lot 95 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:05,000 of this on the fly shifting. When you look at who's been a part 96 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:11,000 of their contingency rotation, Well, we'll try out in Oslittle and Joshua Koge 97 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,800 He's gonna play. And use of Nurkic, by the way, is just 98 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,360 he's had really good moments and really low moments. He has been all over 99 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:21,480 the place this season from what I've seen of him, and so I had 100 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:26,720 them in my inner circle entering the season. I am more confident in all 101 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:29,959 four of those other teams that I am in Phoenix right now because of the 102 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,439 factors that I saw. The big ones for me are the turnovers, the 103 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:35,920 health, and then just like you kind of mentioned this, it's the center 104 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,279 play. The backup center play gets really dicey. Yeah. So I initially 105 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:45,959 had Phoenix on my inner circle list, but I had a bracketed question mark 106 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:47,680 next to them, and I was just like, it didn't it wasn't sure. 107 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:53,720 I think I think we've sort of you kind of hit on why they're 108 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,480 in this gray area because like, the top end talent is there, They've 109 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:00,480 got you know, Eric, They've got enough support pieces, but there are 110 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,720 just like it's I feel like they're closer to Milwaukee where we agree there are 111 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:09,040 some issues that they could use some help on than they are to say, 112 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,560 like you know, most of these other teams we're going to talk about where 113 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,480 it's like, yeah, there's an obvious thing, right, but to me 114 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,519 it is it is just the Nurkic spot really like and I think maybe I'm 115 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,439 just kind of some recency bias just because against the Lakers, where you know, 116 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,720 he had his moments. I'm talking about the ist game. By the 117 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,040 time this airs, it will be much earlier in the week where he just 118 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:33,079 he can't finish inside. I looked it up the other he's shooting worse on 119 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,199 twoes than he ever has in his career, and he's had bad two point 120 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:43,240 finishing in general. He is not taking shots that he should be and he's 121 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,839 like gumming up the offense because he's just passing up close range you know, 122 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,480 what should be little dump ins and he just can't elevate. So, like, 123 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,839 I can imagine a scenario where if the Suns are trying to win a 124 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:57,720 title and they're playing a really good team in the playoffs, that we're having 125 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,680 to play four of them, Like Rkic is someone that's just gonna be kind 126 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,600 of exposed, and you can't have a starting center that you probably can't close 127 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,279 with. And because he can't finish he's not gonna stretch the floor, and 128 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:13,480 defensively, he's not super helpful. So like that's the spot, And which 129 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,879 is wild to say that that's the spot because this team doesn't have a point 130 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,879 guard, you know, like there's if anything, if we're gonna knock Phoenix 131 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,000 out of the inner circle, it's because like they kind of actually need one 132 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,879 or two things maybe you know what I mean. Like, and that's that's 133 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:31,920 what I struggle with, because I was going through names that they could feasibly 134 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,480 get. It's seconds, and like they do have some salaries with Nosleto and 135 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,080 Grace and Allen. You could step out of your way, move one of 136 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:43,039 them and get somebody. But I started doing the exercise of excuse me. 137 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,080 If you gave them Javon Carter, that's apparently a name that's gonna come up 138 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,039 a bunch. I guess that's probably gonna be a very game manager type, 139 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,840 but it definitely would inoculate some of their defensive concerns that they have. And 140 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,120 look, they're sixteenth and they're allowing the right kinds of shots. For sure, 141 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,960 they probably got a little bit lucky on opponent three point shooting. I 142 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,919 think they're eighth in three point defense. They might if they're a league average 143 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,120 defensive team and they've yet to get Bradley Beal back, who I don't think 144 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,320 is gonna improve their defense, but I do think he will stabilize the offense 145 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,639 to some degree. I think you can argue, yes, it's on that 146 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,559 level of move, but you hit it on the head where it's well, 147 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,440 it might be two things where it's no, they don't need a point guard, 148 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,679 but they do need someone who slots in to that perimeter most spot of 149 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,799 the rotation, even if it's just defensively, or you can trust them to 150 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,799 knock down a three more than you can trust Jordan Goodwin to do so. 151 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,759 And then it's the backup big thing. It's clearly not gonna be you Banks, 152 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,679 is it gonna be, Well, let's go small. And so that's 153 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,320 where the fact that they need two things. I had them in my inner 154 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,360 circle coming into this, and I'm kind of just been like, well, 155 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,279 like, maybe they are just one player away, but the question here, 156 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,679 and it would be fair or slot them there anyway. The one player away 157 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,240 might be on the roster in Bradley Beal. He doesn't fix everything they need. 158 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:58,960 But if your argument is they have all the star power. It's gonna 159 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,480 work. The an argument, and it's just it's not just fair, it's 160 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,320 factual. He's played three times. We haven't seen the big three together, 161 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,080 so they need that player. They need to see what that looks like before 162 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,720 we can even decide. Maybe they actually don't need a point guard. Maybe 163 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,960 it's just sort of changing up the big man rotation. I think that's right. 164 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,759 I think had he been there all season, we might be sitting here 165 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:22,679 well, not having this discussion, but saying like, yeah, they're not 166 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,480 perfect, but man like, I just don't know what you do with those 167 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,639 three guys because you know that this they'd be you know, sixteen and three 168 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,919 or something right now because they just have bet the best offense in the league, 169 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,879 and all those other little like the fact that Nurkic isn't great and they 170 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,240 don't have a point guard like might not matter, or we'd over we'd be 171 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,840 more apt to overlook it. I think if bial had been there all year 172 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:46,159 and they just you know, won a handful more games, so I think 173 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,919 I think I'm okay with them as an inner circle team. But I feel 174 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,240 I feel less confident obviously about them than the other four by a lot, 175 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:56,639 which like, good job Minnesota for just that we don't we just popped your 176 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,840 right in there and you belong now. So I mean, but I have 177 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,279 no and everyone what about injuries, and it's just they're doing there. They've 178 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,320 lost Jane McDaniels for a crap ton of time, and they're just it's they're 179 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,320 real. It's if anyone doesn't think they're for real. I understand some skepticism 180 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,840 where maybe if you want to say they're not Inner circle, but like, 181 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:18,799 what is the thing that they need? And we know there are may be 182 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,840 two things. The backup point guard is more three point volume. But it's 183 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,039 just if you put Javon Carter on this team, like they probably they might 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,559 be my second most intriguing team to win the title at that point. Well, 185 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,759 like they you know, it is fair to note that they are distinct 186 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,200 from the other teams here, like Phoenix we've kind of put in its own 187 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,120 little like I don't know one a but like Boston's been in the finals and 188 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,360 always makes the conference finals. The Bucks have a title, the Nuggets have 189 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,720 a title. Minnesota doesn't. But it's like, well, this team has 190 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:48,480 existed in its current form since like October, so like they they don't have 191 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,080 the opportunity. They're they're approve it team. I guess in ways those other 192 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,480 ones aren't. But that's that's, you know, not to say they aren't 193 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,600 in this in this tier. We said, we get into names more at 194 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,000 the end of the exercise. But is there a type of big that you're 195 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:05,120 sort of thinking that Phoenix needs, Like what is that? Because there's names 196 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,240 that there's a bunch of different names. Just before there's Chris Bouchet who all 197 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,120 just mentioned all the times I still love him. There's Andre Drummond. If 198 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,919 the Bulls really decide to blow it up, like, there's a range of 199 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,919 different options. There's a bunch of different type of there's a bunch of different 200 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,799 archetypes they could tilt towards. Yeah, I think, I mean, you 201 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,600 always want to scut like Bouchet would be interesting because maybe you can go five 202 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,399 out and then I just don't know how you guard this team. Although then 203 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,240 again, it's like, you know, it's not like Durant and Booker necessarily 204 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:33,000 are real rim pressure guys. They're going to get to their spots and shoot, 205 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,559 so you don't necessarily need that kind of shooting. I think I don't 206 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,559 have a name in mind, but maybe maybe just someone like just a lob 207 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,320 threat, like a big athletic lob threat that is gonna be able to just 208 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,720 throw down, you know, the offensive rebounds and is gonna be able to 209 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:54,559 catch on the move and just dunk. Like I don't know who that like 210 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,960 that, who you're getting for the minimum that that could do that? Like 211 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,799 you probably aren't, but like I don't know, Paul Paul Reid would be 212 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,360 fine or like not that he's available. I'm just trying to think of guys 213 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,919 that can move a little bit, that can put pressure on the rim. 214 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,799 I don't know, make Richards available. I don't give me any of the 215 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:16,440 Charlottes again, Richards, Mark Williams. That's fine. Go for Williams, 216 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:22,240 that's go find Kai Jones again. Let's see where he's at. I mean, 217 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,799 like, go ahead, oh go ahead. I was gonna just move 218 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:26,039 on to the next team. I was gonna keep talking about Ki Jones. 219 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,559 So it's much better that we move on. Who is your So we kind 220 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,240 of have the Sons as like a half player away or something that who is 221 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:37,399 your first? This team is one player away. I mean, I guess 222 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,799 what you're asking is like, who's the next tier down? You know, 223 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,120 title contention wise, in't it? I guess I feel most comfortable with the 224 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,399 Sixers there, But that's in a group of like three or four other teams 225 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,840 that are kind of in the same We'll do it that way. So it's 226 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:56,600 if we have Tier one is Denver, Minnesota, Boston, Milwaukee, and 227 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,519 you could break up tire one if you want, but that's Tier one, 228 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,960 yeah, youer two. We're just saying, is Phoenix on its own in 229 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,320 its own tierrio? We don't know what to do with it? So Tier 230 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:07,759 three? What teams belong in there? You start starts off with Philadelphia, 231 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,159 which I would agree that I could almost be third Knights, where I could 232 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,320 be talked into saying, no, they belong ahead of the Suns. But 233 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,799 at least in yet they could be in the Suns tier right, at least 234 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,320 at the very least today we could put them in the Sun. There's no 235 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Tier one point five type thing. It would be Phoenix is in this is 236 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,440 tier two rather than Tier three. So just well before we let's just talk 237 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,519 about the Sixers here, because I don't have it divide it up specifically into 238 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:35,960 tears. I just got a kind of a loose list that I could kind 239 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,480 of cobble it together if we're gonna divide them. I think for me, 240 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:45,759 the Sixers need someone that I that you can trust defensively on the wing, 241 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,600 like a little more than Ubre who's just now back, who can have who's 242 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:52,480 you know, kind of is a chaos creator, but maybe isn't the most 243 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,399 solid defender. And then you have like Nick Batoum and Covington. If you 244 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:01,480 could like make Jaden's talking about development, make Jaden's springer like, you know, 245 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:05,679 fifteen percent larger, like, then that's that's the type of player I 246 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,559 want, I think, uh I because like you know, obviously Max e 247 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:15,879 Embiid Harris is a fine supplementary scorer. We love d Anthony Melton again stretch 248 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,720 d Anthony meultain to be like six seven or six eight. And that's that's 249 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:24,440 the player that I would really want at that small forward spot that you could 250 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,559 just throw at the you know, Tatum or and or Brown or whatever and 251 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,039 feel confident if you're a you know, because if you're gonna be a title 252 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,399 threat, like that's a that is a puzzle you have to solve is what 253 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,320 do you do with Boston for example? So I think that's an issue for 254 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,399 the Sixers. I'd like to see them kind of one player away fix. 255 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,480 Yeah, and it's they have the assets to go get that player. It's 256 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:48,679 just which player is going to become available. When you're talking about it feels 257 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,759 like you're describing with the Sixers a higher end player than we were talking about 258 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:56,240 with Phoenix or even Minnesota. If you were going to loop them into there. 259 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:00,480 That becomes an issue then of accessibility because the trademark is so weird. 260 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120 I know a lot of people want to see Zach Lavine in Philadelphia. He 261 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:06,399 doesn't fit any of the boxes that you just described, and just Tyre's Maxi 262 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,320 and Levine in the backcourt doesn't do it for me. The Siakam fit with 263 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,279 him bid He also does not fit what you're describing, and og hadn't always 264 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:15,840 been mentioned to no En. I almost just have him unless you're gonna give 265 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:19,200 up like four real first round picks for him or something. I just don't 266 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,879 think the Rappers are gonna trade him. And then it's like Okay, well 267 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,600 who yeah, and no end by the way, you're not giving up for 268 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,720 first, for someone that can hit free agency, like especially if you're the 269 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,960 Sixers that has had some issues with communication with soon to be free agents, 270 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,080 so I would not feel great about that. But yeah, this is always 271 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,639 a struggle for me. Specifically you're better at this than I am. But 272 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:41,799 just like, well, then who, I don't know, I just know 273 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,639 what the problem is. I don't have a solution. Does Jeremy Grant do 274 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,879 anything for you? Not? This version of Jeremy Grant. I don't think 275 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:55,159 he's the defender that you know he initially made his reputation as and like that's 276 00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:59,039 a lot of money to pay for someone that is kind of just coming in 277 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,799 to fill the gap. You know what about lou Dort, that's interesting because 278 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:07,599 I think, do you like him better on like wing like bigger wings than 279 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,880 Melton? I think I probably do because you can just get underneath him, 280 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,400 and and then like Melton could be more because lou Dowrt feels like more of 281 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,759 the on ball chaos creator and then DF Melton can do more stuff away from 282 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:23,480 the balls. Playing those two together, holy shit, Yeah, you're just 283 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:30,000 like I guess Dort really can guard up like better than Melton probably, although 284 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,599 Melton's kind of sneaky long I still, yeah, I don't know what the 285 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,880 the player type just is like og Anobi or like is what it is, 286 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,119 you know what I mean, We're gonna go through the same names, but 287 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,440 like if you said, like Dallas Mavericks Dorian Finney Smith, like it might 288 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,640 be that, like something like that, or like former Miami Heat Slash current 289 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,359 Dallas Mavericks Reclamation Project Derek Jones Junior, like someone who's been a lot better 290 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,079 lately than he's I mean, than he has been the last couple of years. 291 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,559 But I like, you know, optimal version of Dorian Phinney Smith is 292 00:18:02,599 --> 00:18:06,640 probably a more realistic stand in for Ananobi, who is just not going to 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,440 go anywhere. Probably he is. He just not good enough to fit this. 294 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:15,720 The DeAndre Hunter, that's I like, the that size of player, 295 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,279 right, like the big like the true combo forward, you know, even 296 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,279 like Tobias Harris is kind of like the buy and large really good. Yeah, 297 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:29,880 sure, but I don't want him. I don't love him on you 298 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,880 know, you have to guard Jason Tatum and then Anthony Edwards in the finals 299 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,480 or something. I guess Melton probably would get him, but yeah, and 300 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,000 when this is the player you need, you almost feel more than one player 301 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:45,039 away because of how hard I mean, mckal bridges would be great. He 302 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,960 slipped defensively since he's been in Brooklyn, but he does so much more offensively. 303 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,680 It's like if you put him on Philly, that'd be great. They're 304 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,920 not gonna move McHale Bridges. And so when you're when you're in the market 305 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,319 for this type of player, like even you know there are some teams have 306 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,119 I guess there's not a top, like they have an embarrassment of wings and 307 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,759 is it you know, are you gonna want a reunion with matist Thaibel after 308 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,680 moving him already? No, the Pelicans aren't really in the market to move 309 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,279 any of their wings. It doesn't feel like right now. So it's just 310 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:19,079 like even ough the okay, see Orlando doesn't have any real like true wings 311 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,319 to spare or I don't know why they would be looking to move Gary Harrison 312 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,359 in the first place. He's also not the player that you just described for 313 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,599 them. Uh, the Spurs don't have anyone saying like they're not gonna move 314 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:33,279 Devin Miselle, who's poison pill Kelson. Johnson is not that guy, it's 315 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,799 just so hard to find. Memphis just doesn't have wings still for all this 316 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,680 time. Honestly, that's pretty impressive. By the way. Okay, here's 317 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,759 a name. Here's a name. I don't really even know what the framework 318 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,400 of this deal would look like. What if they were just looking to get 319 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,160 off his money and there was a deal to we made where they were gonna 320 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,680 get expiring money back from the Sixers Andrew Williams. I mean that is the 321 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,240 player type or like, you know, not this year Andrew Wiggins, which 322 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,119 which we will talk about when we get to Golden State. But yeah, 323 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:07,839 like that, I mean I keep talking about can you guard Jason Tatum like 324 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,160 Wiggins check the box? He did it like that for a minute. Yeah 325 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,039 that is that is uh, that is what you need. Yeah, Andrew 326 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:19,319 Wiggins would be. But like so, if you're the Sixers, you're giving 327 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,359 Golden State, like, I don't know you have does Harris have to be 328 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,079 in this deal? Well they have all They have the Marcus Smart salary to 329 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,319 use as a way to step ladder their way there. Uh so they have 330 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,000 I don't think you need to buy it. Well, because Wiggins is making 331 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:38,240 what twenty seven what is he at it sounds right. Andrew Wiggins is at 332 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,279 twenty four pointy three, which is even easier. So Philly has I mean, 333 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:45,720 first of all, Tobias Harus makes fifteen million dollars more than that you 334 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:48,119 have. I don't know that you want to give up any of these guys, 335 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,119 but if if in theory, if it was like a protected first and 336 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,480 you're getting Marcus Morris's money, and then they also have like Roco but to 337 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:02,440 Melton Paul Reid for Concord Mas is expiring, that's five million, So you 338 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,160 could do Marcus Morris and for con Cork Mas, I don't know what it'd 339 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,599 just be the warrior saying we're getting out of the Andrew wis yeah business essentially, 340 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,279 I don't think they would, but yeah, that's a good pull. 341 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,480 Wiggins is someone that I mean and like he might become more available than you 342 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,400 know, it's kind of we haven't really ever talked about him as a trade 343 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,640 candidate for a while because it's so integral to the theory of Golden State. 344 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,720 But yeah, that's another that's another one of one of the very few, 345 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:29,279 like true three and D role playing wings that can do a little more than 346 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:33,920 that. If you need them to score of things. Yeah, all right, 347 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:36,240 you want to move on from the sixers. Do you have another team 348 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:38,359 in this in this group or in this in this Uh, I don't know 349 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,799 on your list that's close to them. Yeah, it's so this is I 350 00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:45,359 don't know what to do with them because I'm so high on them that I 351 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,720 didn't necessarily consider putting them in my inner circle. I think you can make 352 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:53,559 a case that this team is not that if they're one player away, it's 353 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:59,759 just that player being available, and it's the New Orleans Pelicans, and you 354 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:03,279 look get all the different ways they're built to play. We already mentioned on 355 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,680 the previous podcast the numbers where they're going small with Zion. When Trey Murphy's 356 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,240 on the court, they've been absolutely destroying opponents. Such a small sample size, 357 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,720 you can't read too much into it. There are problems with this team 358 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,240 where it's you look at them and it's what we'd like to have players on 359 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:18,720 the court who can subsidize higher three point volume and accuracy. But that also 360 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,279 might just be Trey Murphy. In this year's version of CJ McCollum and a 361 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,119 version of Brandon Ingram that is going to be willing to take more three pointers, 362 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,640 and then it's well, what about a friendlier center to play next to 363 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,480 Zion and or a guy who's gonna defend Biggs. It's like, well, 364 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:37,519 they have Herban Dyson if they want to downside for that. Jonah Valentunis. 365 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,039 We've talked a lot about whether in the past whether they should move not. 366 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,359 This year, Yonah Salaunis has kind of played his way into the territory of 367 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,640 unless you were gonna go get Brook Lopez and Miles Turner, it's Yonahs sala 368 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,799 Chunis just belongs on your team, and so it's okay, Well they have 369 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,039 Larry Nance. I think they need more of a proven, sizeable rim protector 370 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,640 that is not going to be Larry Nance, who's also just never healthy. 371 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,960 I'll throw Chris Bouschet's name out here. He might be somebody. He's been 372 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,799 shooting in limited minutes and unlimited vlume like the three fel for him this year, 373 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,599 and he's still someone who in theory can give you just some rim protection 374 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,039 juice. Is he big enough though he's not the biggest player either. Is 375 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,960 it that level of player or do they need There's been I've seen people want 376 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,039 to consolidate into zach Lvine, which I just don't. You have brandon Ingram, 377 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,359 And I know zach Lvine is a better off ball fit, but brandon 378 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,759 Ingram has a higher defensive gear and I think he's because we've seen it. 379 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,079 He's just more gonna be more valuable in big games with the way that he 380 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:40,440 plays. It might not always be intertwined cohesively with the way Zion Williamson plays, 381 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,920 but brandon Ingram can get you these frum scratch buckets from tough shots, 382 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,240 tough spots against set defenses. And you can sort of say the same about 383 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:53,400 zach Lvine, but we haven't necessarily seen zach Lvine in these higher leverage games. 384 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,079 We've seen brand Ingram more higher leverage games than zach Lvine. At this 385 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:02,279 point, do you think it's outdated to say that I still want a like 386 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,880 a switchable floor stretching big like that still is just like the healthy Larry Nance 387 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,440 that's a real threat to shoot it. Like if that's that still feels like 388 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,079 the one player to me, although because as you think about the Pelicans, 389 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,720 like clearly their most fun lineup to me is C. J. McCollum, 390 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,839 Herb Jones, Ingram Zion, and Trey Murphy and just like figure out how 391 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,279 you're gonna guard because that I mean everyone besides Herb Jones. We know what 392 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,759 he's gonna do, but figure out the rest of it. And then that 393 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,640 team offensively is just like unstoppable, it seems like to me, So like 394 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,400 I guess you so whoever they go and get, Like I still think that's 395 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,400 probably that's the five I like the most. I don't have no idea what 396 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,400 the numbers are for that team. You're saying, would they it's and that's 397 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,880 what's interesting is that would be do they need to acquire someone who cracks Let's 398 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,960 say they're closing five or their best five? Right, Well, so like 399 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,240 the problem with that lineup is like there's there's a lot of places to attack, 400 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:03,359 and it's gonna be like very few defenders there are capable against like one 401 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,599 position, let alone several and and so I just want to five that can 402 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,119 that can move around on the perimeter if he has to, if you can 403 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,240 defend the rim awsome, Like I just this is such a crazy Like this 404 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,240 is again like I guess it's like Brook Lopez, but he can move like 405 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:21,359 That's what I'm asking for here. That just still feels like to truly unlock 406 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 the best offensive version of this team. It still feels like you want to 407 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,160 be five out as often as you possibly can, and then you want to 408 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,839 also be able to have someone that can kind of put fires out when McCollum 409 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,839 gets beat or can't guard his matchup, or same for Zion or same for 410 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,400 you know whatever, like even Ingram, you know, dies on every screen 411 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,440 that's ever been set on him, Like someone that can navigate that a little 412 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,480 better, just to just to keep the offense, you know, at its 413 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:52,319 peak potential, and then also just be sort of a a monkey wrench like 414 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,720 on defense, where he could just like we'll fix that, we'll fix that, 415 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,920 like that, that type of defensive player. I will say, I 416 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,440 am more comfortable, and I don't know if this person would then crack their 417 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,519 closing lineup or this type of player, just because of what Zion's able to 418 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,240 do in confine spaces, and then some of the outlets they have at full 419 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:12,559 strength with Trey Murphy, with CJ. McCollum, even with Brandon Ingram, 420 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:17,480 if you loop him into there, I don't know that they the next big 421 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,559 that they yet needs to be a floor spacer. If it was Nick Claxton, 422 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,839 I would love him on this team. You talk about switchable and give 423 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,839 me some reproduction. I did think, again, this isn't someone who cracked 424 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,400 their closing lineup, which maybe would speak to why we have the Pelicans here 425 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,160 and we're having this discussion Zach Collins. If the Spurs were willing to move 426 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,039 off of him, I don't know if they they would be. That's and 427 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:40,279 he does stretch the floor. Is he gonna be the one guarding five? 428 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,559 But if you're playing him with Herb and maybe Dyson's in those combinations with Zion, 429 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,119 there's just a bunch of different stuff that someone you could do there, 430 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,880 like Mo Wagner, like, I don't know, you get the defense there, 431 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,119 but he plays with such a crazy motor and he's shot the hell out 432 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,559 of it this year. I mean, if you're looking for although I don't 433 00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,400 think Orlando's gonna move him, just you know, oh yeah, if you 434 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,279 were gonna get in Orlando Big Wendell, perfect, yeah, sure, or 435 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,880 even Isaac like Isaac's not gonna give you the spacing. But if you're talking 436 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,640 about someone that'll put out fires, everywhere. That's your guy, him and 437 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,640 Herb Jones on the floor at the same time. That would be just unholy. 438 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,759 He might not be fivey enough and his team's not gonna trade him, 439 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,400 So it's kind of like nas Reed would be perfect for this team. Yeah, 440 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,880 Chet Holme grin do you think do you think they move him all? 441 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,240 Right? Do you so? My final question on the Pelicans is just there's 442 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,200 been some rickety stuff with them. They're not as good in the transition defense 443 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,200 as they was as they were in you know, the past couple of years. 444 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,960 We'll see how it comes together. If their personnel is just generally more 445 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000 available. Is it outside the realm of possibility to say, if they stay 446 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:45,519 healthy, this team comes out of the Western Conference, Because even if we're 447 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,599 saying there won't, we're not. Even The issue with the conversation ever with 448 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,720 them is we're not. There's maybe been one Did we even mention one player 449 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,160 for real? Chet Holmgren, obviously, but like in all with all sincerity, 450 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,960 that would crack their closing lineup because then we're just mentioning at ssstibly not 451 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:06,880 regular season innings eaters, but first thirty eight minutes of a game. And 452 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,640 if we're saying that's what they need. Then our issue isn't necessarily the Pelicans 453 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000 makeup. It's are they going to be healthy enough, are they deep enough 454 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,400 with the skill set? Because the top end of their roster is good enough 455 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,599 to be a contender, it is not beyond the realm of possibility at all. 456 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,599 I mean they you know, we keep referring to it, but they've 457 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,920 had flashes where like when they have all their guys, they're way up there 458 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,880 in the West, and so like it's difficult to sort of because then you're 459 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,079 asking, like, well, how did they beat the Nuggets or or you 460 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:38,839 know, one or two other teams that might be up there, and so 461 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:45,559 the answers I don't know. But like they they definitely have They have the 462 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,559 talent, they have the depth, They have so many pieces. That's why 463 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,039 it's so interesting to talk about this team as a trade team, because they've 464 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,559 got enough. You know, they're a perfect like two for one or three 465 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,920 for one trade team because they have again I keep exaggerating, with like a 466 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,160 dozen guys that I like like out on the floor for various reasons. But 467 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,200 yeah, I think you're right, Like, it's it's an interesting position to 468 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,000 be in where you're saying, like, unless you're really going for it with 469 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:15,359 a trade, the guys that are gonna matter in the most important minutes are 470 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,480 kind of already there. It's just what's the combination and how how can they 471 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,079 all get on the floor. I will say they would be one of the 472 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:27,519 three to four five teams that I think could And I'm curious. I'm actually 473 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,359 throwing this out there, so I won't know if you think he would make 474 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,720 a big enough difference. They are one of the I would say, even 475 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,960 I don't know how many teams could make this other team think about it. 476 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,759 They would be a team that has an offer they could give to Toronto that 477 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:45,960 I think makes Toronto think about moving og Anaobi just because the think that's redundant 478 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,359 with having Herb Jones and Trey Murphy or is it og can really defend fives 479 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:55,599 as well? And so you have og and Herb and Trey Murphy and Zion 480 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,279 and then pick you want Brandon Ingram done, you want DJ, you want 481 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,720 Jose Alvarado in that lineup, I don't care. It'll work. Yeah, 482 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:08,279 I don't think Anonobi is redundant with anybody. I think so I think I 483 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:11,279 think you just throw him out there, and it's like, who a guy 484 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,240 that can guard every position and make open threes? Like, that's not really 485 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,640 that's that's not redundant. I guess, provided you have one or two other 486 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,920 players on the floor that make it so Ananob doesn't have to create offense, 487 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:26,400 Like, as long as he's in a position where he doesn't have to do 488 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,920 what he's not good at, he just yeah, that'd be phenomenal. And 489 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,759 yeah, so they could put pieces on the table and some picks and stuff 490 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,480 and at least for sure, and it's not gonna cost you Herb or Tramer. 491 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,880 And also, if you're getting at my issue with Anonobe is because there's 492 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,319 the lack of creation there. But there's also okay, what is his three 493 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,279 point volume actually gonna look like? Because he's not he's sort of in between 494 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,240 Trey Murphy and Herb Jones on the level of shooter. M M yeah, 495 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,119 I mean he's closer to Murphy than Jones, right, I mean, just 496 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,680 he's not in the volume but in percentage for sure. And then it's okay, 497 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,680 well, then how do we round out the fifth member of that unit? 498 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,759 Though? Is it? Do we need bretand Ingram, who's not super 499 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,400 high volume from three but he can create. And then they're CJ. McCollum, 500 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,279 who is doing better with his volume from three and he can kind of 501 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:11,960 create, but he's gonna probably look a lot worse on defense. Do you 502 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,400 care about that? He's not as good as a passer as Brandon Ingram at 503 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,160 this stage either. Probably, So I think that's a good conundrum to be 504 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,839 in. But you would have to be sure. They might just say, 505 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,000 well, we have They wouldn't say this, like we have og Ananobe minus 506 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,480 shooting at home with Dyson Daniels, and like minus shooting is a pretty big 507 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000 deal to say that. So that's just a name where it feels like an 508 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,279 embarrassment of riches. But because of his defensive spectrum, like how he can 509 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,720 guard up and down the spectrum, it actually isn't redundant on this team. 510 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,359 No, I don't think that. Yeah, again, I think he fits 511 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,200 everywhere. So you gave New Orleans, I got a couple week could go 512 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,599 to tell me which one we should hit first here, because there's a handful 513 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960 of teams I think that are still in the neighborhood here. You got Golden 514 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:01,279 State, OKC and then Cleveland. Oh yeah, all right, let's go 515 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:06,839 to Golden State. Okay, you're backyard. So for me and like quietly, 516 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,799 they can put together trade packages because you've got Chris Paul's deal. If 517 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,240 you want to get crazy, you've got Wiggins, I think would be like 518 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:15,960 a valuable piece of trade. You've got Moody Kaminga, You've got a couple. 519 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,839 What did you just say? What? What team out there views Andrew 520 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,039 Wiggins's contract? Isn't that positive? Now? And I'm gonna do think so? 521 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:31,440 He he put together an incredible run that helped them win championship that remains 522 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,440 to this day, including last season, including the beginning of a stint with 523 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,680 the Warriors. That is the exception to every single other season of his career. 524 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,599 And I know last year his down season consisted of shooting a trillion percent 525 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,240 from three anyway, and we still see flashes and gears when he applies himself 526 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,799 on the glass, when he applies himself on the defensive end. I just 527 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,480 do you want Andrew Wiggins at twenty five million dollars a year for the next 528 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,319 Does he have three years left after this? I don't know, Oh that 529 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,640 I do? You don't want a guy that makes who tops out at eighteen 530 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,160 and a half percent of the cap next year, for that's twenty six point 531 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:15,640 three million dollars. Who that'll be his age twenty nine season. Like I 532 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:20,759 get it, Like he's been terrible this year across the board and has not 533 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:25,480 touched that fine that postseason run or really the finals since then. I guess 534 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,200 my issue. My issue is it feels like there will be a wholesale discrepancy 535 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:36,720 between how the Warriors value Andrew Wiggins in trade talks and how whatever his next 536 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,039 team is to where whether it's they're trying to acquire a bigger name player or 537 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:43,160 just get off his money, they're gonna think that Andrew Wiggins is an asset. 538 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,119 I don't think his team necessarily they might view him as an asset, 539 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240 but it's well, we'll give you a protected first for him, or if 540 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,079 they're trying to get Pascal Siakam, for example. I don't think the Raptors 541 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:53,640 gonna be like, yo, Andrew Wiggins like the equivalent of a pick and 542 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,599 a half to us. You know, you're absolutely right, the war he 543 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,160 is more valuable and they view him as such to the Warriors than another team 544 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:06,240 like just cause. So that actually gets to what I want to point to 545 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,960 is like I don't think the Warriors are one player away in the conventional sense. 546 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,920 They're just like they need a handful of guys to play better like that 547 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,000 have played better very recently. So this is like we haven't really done this 548 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,559 yet on any of these teams. But this is like the organic growth team. 549 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,559 And it's not like you need the twenty two year old to be ready, 550 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:28,119 although that sort of is the case for Kaminga. It's more just like, 551 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:32,039 can Klay Thompson just stop taking the worst twenty percent of his shot? 552 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,679 Diet just don't shoot those shots? And can Wiggins rebound consistently? He has 553 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,519 had moments lately, like Wiggins has looked better, but he's still been just 554 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,320 a massively damaging player on the whole. Like he just he isn't this bad, 555 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,960 Like that's just not there's nobody is this bad really, So it's a 556 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,079 little bit of a cop out, but I think, like you just, 557 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,679 you know, we what did we last week? We went through the the 558 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,679 on off stuff, and like there are so many guys with positive on off 559 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,920 differentials that are bench players and the starters who were great last year and have 560 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360 been great forever. Just are awful. So it's just kind of like to 561 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,760 and that lineup. By the way, opponents are shooting forty eight percent from 562 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,039 three against them. That's that's coming. They're gonna be better. Like already, 563 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,880 the net rating is down, as you know it was like naked. 564 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,920 It's like minus eight point three instead of minus eighteen point Yeah, I was 565 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,440 in the twenties like for a minute there, So do you disagree, Like 566 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,639 it's an organic It's like, let this will sort itself or it won't. 567 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,960 This will sort itself out or it won't because for what you pointed out, 568 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,800 like the trade route, I just think the Warriors are kind of at a 569 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,280 low leverage position with respect to like how valuable their players are gonna be viewed. 570 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:45,679 My thoughts on this would be twofold, is that as currently constructed, 571 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,599 there's no banking on this sorting itself out to the point where they're contender. 572 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,920 Well, they got to go through it's Minnesota, it's Denver, it's Phoenix, 573 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,440 it's we just talked about New Orleans. We're gonna talk about okay, 574 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,000 see in a second. So it's not gonna sort itself out. Maybe the 575 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,280 starting lineup does, but all they're not going to be a contender. It's 576 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,719 currently constructed. I struggle to kind of identify their primary need. And if 577 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,199 their primary need is this bigger wing who can also create, because they still 578 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,920 lack the secondary creation, that's a super start. Yeah, and there's nobody 579 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,519 out there like that, and it's it's Ogn, Like you would need Ogn 580 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:21,840 Andobi and Pascal Siatum to kind of join forces into one player for that name 581 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,639 to be available. At least as of now, we don't know who could 582 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:28,639 still become available. What I do think bodes well for them or doesn't bode 583 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,159 well that maybe it doesn't bode well is they're only built to pull off a 584 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:36,360 mega trade because you can't trade a core player just for like an also ran 585 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,960 return. And it's because some of the salaries are so huge, Well, 586 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,719 then you're gonna have to step up and just acquire this other expensive player. 587 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,679 Do they have the gall to do that? And I think it. I 588 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,960 would be fairly surprised at this point if Jonathan Cominga's on the team past the 589 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,760 trade deadline. Interesting, but like you, they're not gonna trade Draymond, 590 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,400 and I don't think they should you don't trade Steph and they should be murdered 591 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,599 if they do. They probably, if we're cold callous business perspective, they 592 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,920 probably should trade Clay aspiring contract. That's a good anchor they're not going to 593 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,960 So that leaves Andrew Wiggins. I'm gonna argue right now, you shouldn't trade 594 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,840 because some of your problems right now are size, rebounding, wing defense, 595 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,800 and athleticism. Athletics. Yeah, and it's okay, how are you getting 596 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,159 better? Especially if you trade Wiggins and Jonathan kaminga? How are you upgrading 597 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:23,920 at that spot? So you almost need to keep Wiggins. And then that's 598 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,880 on top of that, we just have a discussion your other teams aren't gonna 599 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,159 value It's it's sort of like at this point, Julius Randall with the Knicks, 600 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,400 he's so much more valuable to them than any of the other teams in 601 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,800 the league. And he's probably the same with Andrew Wiggins. And so you're 602 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,360 like, okay, well then it's Chris Paul and cominga And do we even 603 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,079 want to give up Pods who if we're moving Paul, we kind of need 604 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,800 Pods who's been playing well all of a sudden, do we want to move 605 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,519 Moody if we're not getting back Yeah, if you're getting back oh Jannaoby, 606 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,880 Sure, you're probably not gonna be getting Ojiannaoby. But if you do picks 607 00:37:55,079 --> 00:38:00,159 Chris Paul to first Chris Paul and Kaminga, I think that get you into 608 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:05,960 any higher end discussions that you want it to. As the baseline, my 609 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,519 question to you is do they have the gall to do that in the middle 610 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:14,280 of the season. I don't even the urge. I don't think so. 611 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,719 I think I think if they're looking at it, they're they're gonna say what 612 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,639 I just said, which is like, if we are going to panic, 613 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,239 it will be because we don't believe this. Our veteran starters are going to 614 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,800 figure it out because that's been the problem like that group. So like that's 615 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,920 gonna be a hard place to get to, especially for this team because like 616 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,960 think about so you kind of outline it, but like, let's trade Andrew 617 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,639 Wiggins. What do we need? We need the guy that Andrew Wiggins used 618 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:46,119 to be or it is supposed to be a little bit better than that. 619 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,400 Yeah, we need it, we need we need we need the good version 620 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,000 of Andrew Wiggins. So let's trade the bad one for that, And it's 621 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,440 like, well, okay, what else, Well, we need a shooting 622 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,960 guard that can hold up defensively and make a lot of open shots. Like 623 00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,239 okay, so let's trade Klay Thompson for who Klay Thompson sort of used to 624 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,119 be and who we still think I'm saying the Warriors do think can be like 625 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,719 close enough to that to not matter. So it's just like they're you know, 626 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,840 if it's an individual player or if it's just sort of holistically, the 627 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000 Warriors are gonna look at a lot of these trades and say, I mean, 628 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,760 if if we do this, we're gonna be giving up assets to sort 629 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,840 of like get guys that we think we actually already have. You know. 630 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,800 But I guess if you get through another couple of months of this and it 631 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,559 becomes very clear that the guys you need to improve just aren't gonna then maybe 632 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,760 that calculus changes. But then those guys' value also goes down too. So 633 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,360 like and that's true for Kaminga too. If Kaminga continues to just you know, 634 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,519 make mistakes and not be a regular to the extent he a lot of 635 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,360 people wanted to be in the rotation, then his value goes down to like 636 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,400 the only thing that stays steady I think is like the value of Chris Paul's 637 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,840 contract because of the non guarantee. Like that's just that's just a number, 638 00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,280 I think to most teams. So but otherwise, like things will depreciate if 639 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,000 this goes bad and then you can't really trade, and then the Warriors view 640 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:07,400 it as like, why are we going to make moves to just sort of 641 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,000 get back different versions of what we think we already have? You know, 642 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,280 Not that that's like the right way to think about it, but I think 643 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,920 that's how they will think about it. Can we talk about the Cavs? 644 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,039 Yes? Are you confused? Because I am. I'm confused too, And 645 00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:22,320 I just don't think we've seen enough. And they look pretty good against the 646 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,519 Magic and I think Darius Carman's going to figure out the turnover stuff. I'm 647 00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:32,599 still incredibly high on Mobi. I just don't My thoughts on them are by 648 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,760 fast forward a couple of weeks, they'll be closer to the situation that Phoenix 649 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,039 is in for us right now, where it's they need such a small piece 650 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,679 or like a medium sized piece that could they be closer to the inner circle 651 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,800 than the outer circle of contenders type deal. I still firmably believe they have 652 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,320 that ceiling. That being said, I would love and this is just we've 653 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,039 seen so little of them at full strength. Still, I would love for 654 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,960 them to get somebody who makes the one big lineups not just more feasible, 655 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,280 but more tantalizing to get to. And so it's like it doesn't need to 656 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,280 be. I'm not not gonna say, oh g Anobia promised, except we 657 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,679 got to make a rule. We can't say him anymore. But like Dorianfinny 658 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,639 Smith, if Isaaca Corro's on the table, does that in seconds and getting 659 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,400 to the money, if that doesn't work, does that do anything? I 660 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,599 don't know if the nets would, even though they might have better offers, 661 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,960 if they can get a true blue first for Dorian Finney Smith and so like 662 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,360 if Doriyanfinny Smith, if that, if that's too high of a ceiling on 663 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,880 a trade acquisition, well then who are we talking about? Because Max Shrews, 664 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,159 I think has done a lot of good things for them. I still 665 00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:42,679 believe her in the Garland Mitchell back court, I know the Mobile and Allen 666 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,039 front court can work. I still don't think it's postseason proof, and I 667 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:50,159 didn't. Defensively, it really never has. Like offensively, it is just 668 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,000 not good enough. I think that if you're gonna say it can't work, 669 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,760 that's the reason. But I to your you know, continue no, I 670 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000 mean, and that's just where I'm at. It's I think they need the 671 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,760 player to make and it's not George Niang to me, like in the regular 672 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,039 season, for sure. We've talked a lot about this in our discord. 673 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719 He doesn't move particularly fast, but the team moves incredibly fast when he's on 674 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,480 the court, and so he's super fun, kind of herky, jerky and 675 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,880 valuable to watch. He's not and we saw this in Philly. He's not 676 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,079 I hate phrasing it like this, but he's not a sixteen game player. 677 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,079 And so it's just how do you go out and get that guy? And 678 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,079 who is that guy? If if I mean Drinan Phinney Smith, I don't 679 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,239 think he's going to help you on the you know, the rebounding front in 680 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,559 those situations. But what are you, like, is there a name? 681 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,199 This is I've tried to wrap my very much, so it has to be 682 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,519 like kind of on the lower end because the Cats need to have the assets 683 00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,920 to go out and get them. I still think Isaaca Korr is a relatively 684 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,159 interesting player before he was injured to shooting the ball well from three. We 685 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,599 know what he does defensively, so maybe the Cams don't even want to give 686 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,400 him up just because of the player they think he could be. I just 687 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,079 don't know if offensively he's ever gonna be. And he can find some seams 688 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,880 when they're spacing to move off the ball, I don't know if he's ever 689 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,480 gonna be a sixteen game offensive player. Is a fair I think it's a 690 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,519 fair question to ask. Yeah, no, I think that's right. I 691 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,800 so my the way, I don't I'll get to some names, I guess 692 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,760 in a minute here. But like my thought on the Caves was sort of 693 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,280 similar, which is like, well, maybe what they need is really to 694 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,679 just have Mobiley play center, like and just that means Jared Allen goes somewhere 695 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,599 else because that is I think. I think, certainly for a for a 696 00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:25,440 while, that was the sort of ultimate theory of the team, like optimal 697 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:29,039 version of the Calves. Mobley's the center, he's the team's best player, 698 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,960 blah blah, blah. I think that's less popular now just because there's a 699 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,360 perception that Mobiley has not developed like quite the way you'd want him to. 700 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,639 But I feel like that's mostly offensively. So I'm I'm like on board with 701 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,920 the idea of if you're gonna make a bigger change, it involves moving Allen 702 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,119 for like a you know the type of player you're talking a combo like a 703 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,480 four or something like that with some heft like a I don't know, like 704 00:43:55,559 --> 00:44:00,320 a older a younger version of PJ. Tucker or like the prime version of 705 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,760 J Crowder or something with someone like that that could play the four. Like 706 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,000 maybe how about this? What if how do you feel about Marcus Smart full 707 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,639 time power forward for the Cavs? And oh my god, because then he 708 00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,800 can go guard whoever Mitchell and Garland can't. Like that's a factor. I 709 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,800 have one trade here, and I don't want to make people angry Jared Allen 710 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:27,239 for Nick Richards and PJ. Washington. Oh, you're gonna make Cavs fans 711 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,840 angry. I think with that one, Nick Richards and PJ Washington. So 712 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,400 Nick Richards, are you starting Nick Richards? I would start PJ. Washington. 713 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,159 I guess you're worried about your rebounding already. What does that look like 714 00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:45,119 you're worried about does the rim protection sort of translate? I think because PJ. 715 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,400 Washington can hold up on the perimeter more, it might allow Mobley to 716 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,119 do some more traditional big stuff on offense. But that's like, is that 717 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,639 not enough for Jared Allen? I mean, and obviously the Hornets have Mark 718 00:44:54,639 --> 00:45:00,719 Williams. I mean, do you go Mark Williams and uh J Washington for 719 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,360 Jared out? Is that too egregious? Mark Williams is kind of I think 720 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,760 they're just asking him do too much this year. I don't know, I'm 721 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,039 intrigued. So like some of the numbers with Mobiley as the center, so 722 00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:14,559 Allen is necessarily off the floor here just for some proof of concept the offense 723 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:16,400 sucks. They're in like the twenty second percentile of the lineups with Mobley at 724 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,440 center this year, eighty seven percentile on defense, and like that's gonna be 725 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,440 That's good enough for me, because if you're gonna throw another shooter out there 726 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,199 and assume like Mobiley, and because most some of those lineups have had Niang 727 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,119 and some of them just had guys at the four that are not super threatening, 728 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,559 like Washington at the four. With Mobile at center, I think you 729 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,519 get a little more offensive oomph. And last year Mobile at center lineups were 730 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,840 like way better just across the board on both ends, but still defensively oriented, 731 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,039 mostly ninety third percentile on defense. So I think I think we have 732 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,440 some information that like you could just move Mobley to the five and you get 733 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,760 a little more offensive juice there, and suddenly the Cavs are a very different 734 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,199 team, but maybe more danger I don't know, like that's I think the 735 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,920 primary issue is that just all feels too seismic for them to do in the 736 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,800 middle of the season, where if they're gonna make any type of decision like 737 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,920 that, this is a theoretical exercise. I think we both agree it's just 738 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,199 like, don't do anything. The calves are gonna be good. Right if 739 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,920 we had to just give a suggestion, that's where we're both at. But 740 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,719 right, or it's can you turn like like using the smaller contracts that you 741 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,639 have Dean Wade, Ricky Rubio, who does that get you? Like you 742 00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:34,079 could get Chris Bouche without just mentioning for everyone? Apparently? Does that you 743 00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,559 remember how for the longest time, all of the Cavs' best lineups were just 744 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:42,480 Dean wide at the three. It's so clear over those tiny samples that was 745 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:44,920 always the answer, and he just could never stay healthy. He's back, 746 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,559 he played played tonight. Actually, so maybe maybe d You know what, 747 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,159 the Calves are one player away and that player is Dean waived. That's that's 748 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:53,599 all there is to it. They, you know, would be interesting on 749 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:59,559 this team. The Andrew Wiggins reunion. It's not him at the four. 750 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,119 Yeah right, I'm I'm man. The Jared Allen for Andrew Wiggins challenge trade. 751 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,840 I don't that doesn't even work. I don't think I uh it might 752 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,039 work money wise, I'm not sure, but you could not that Cav's team 753 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,559 is not getting a single rebound. That's that's rough. Well, there will 754 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,239 be nights where they does it matter. Do you know what they're rebounding percentages 755 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,079 when they have Mobili and Allen on the court. I'll tell you right now 756 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,559 twenty nine point two, which is in the thirty first percent tile that's not 757 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,400 great. I understand what Mobli does defensively, and then I understand the reality 758 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,239 of how many of those minutes come with Max Struce Dot. I almost said 759 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,000 Davion Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garnald, that just is fucking weird. 760 00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:43,840 Man. Well, maybe Davion Mitchell is the answer. Get him in there. 761 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,280 The Kings don't use him anymore. Guards almost It's almost like I loved 762 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,719 it. We were so wrong about Jared Allen. We've been fully, We've 763 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,960 admitted that ten times over. It's if they're gonna go the mobile at the 764 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,480 four rounds and then do you just need a big with more heft next to 765 00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:02,159 him, yeah, or a spacer. It's just unless mobiley's gonna be able 766 00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:06,000 to shoot it, you need one of those two things I think next to 767 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,760 you. Do you think that then you could go the route of it's kind 768 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,119 of a center, so you're not you're it is. Look, it's Chris 769 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,039 Bruschet, it's Zach Collins. It's kind of a center. Who wouldn't need 770 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,119 to start? Wouldn't course cost Jared Allen. Do you think that materially makes 771 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,159 this team materially better? Well, I don't know if that's it makes them 772 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:23,719 different. I don't know if it's better. Bottom line right, like that's 773 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:30,960 the new is always better. Kelly linok, let's throw another like he can 774 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,159 pass a little bit too, that that might be helpful to that team. 775 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,840 So yeah, I don't know advocating for trading Jared down. It was just 776 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,880 that they went the nuclear route. It was kind of before Perl was in 777 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,719 Toronto. My favorite fake trade you ever came up with was Jared Allen for 778 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,360 Ojiananobi last year. I found that so interesting. I remember that one. 779 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,480 That's the rare trade propills that I do. Remember you want to do another 780 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,440 team here? Should we do the thunder? We? I think we mentioned 781 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,280 them, both of us have a couple of times. Do we think that 782 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,320 maybe my camera will durn back on what we Thunderlook, there it goes. 783 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:01,000 I don't need to see you, I can I just I can just read 784 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:04,480 your tone at this point. So look, I'll start over in case I 785 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,719 caught this up. Let's talk about the thundered grant. What do you think 786 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,480 they need? I think chet Holmgren is really great U and I love him 787 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960 a lot as a player and a prospect. Did you know the smallest side 788 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,440 Did you know Alpern Shangun is younger than chet Holmgren. That blew my mind 789 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,800 today. I did not know that. I did not know that, nor 790 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,480 would I have guessed that the thundernead. I think you can go a couple 791 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,000 ways here. You can go with the they got to figure out how to 792 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:35,679 actually can go three ways. One is you got to figure out how to 793 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,840 get some heft on the floor in the middle to shore up your rebounding protect 794 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,000 the rim like that, so just Holmegren doesn't get put in the basket by 795 00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,960 some of the bigger centers, and just so your defensive integrity is not built 796 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,840 on taking charges and turnovers and like that kind of thing. That's one way. 797 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,800 The other way is like do we just improve on the Josh Giddy spot. 798 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,800 We've talked about it, like the he's just like, you don't need 799 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,880 a guy who's best with the ball in his hands when you have shake Gill 800 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,320 just Alexander, Like that's just And what you do need is someone who's gonna 801 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,159 force defenders to guard him on the perimeter so that SGA has more rooms to 802 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,519 operate like so, and that ain't that's just not Giddy. So those are 803 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:20,159 my two sort of one or I don't know. I guess I'm pointing out 804 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,599 flaws, like we can continue to talk about like how to address those, 805 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:28,000 but like, those are my spots I'm focusing on. If I'm saying the 806 00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:31,400 thunderneath this and then they're kind of they're in the inner circle, you know, 807 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:37,280 would be an interesting Well, well, no this is not. It's 808 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,079 not really an interest because you said, helf Nick Claxton will look pretty good 809 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,079 on this team, but then you're just your rail thin on the front line. 810 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,280 But that would be Josh Getty for Nick Claxton, and stuff would be 811 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,159 if the nets we're gonna give you picks so you can't sell that low on 812 00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,760 Giddy. I think he still has value. I would trade Josh Getty for 813 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,880 Nick Claxton so fast? Are you kidding me? Holy fuck? Like I'm 814 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,440 not, Yeah, I can't. I I don't think the thunderkneed do improve. 815 00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,119 The answer of the Thunder is I have them and the Pelicans as just 816 00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,440 the not we already talked about the Sun. They're in kind of a different 817 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,239 category the teams. We mentioned that they might just have the guys on this 818 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:14,840 team right get older. The one player away for them is if we develop 819 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,440 if his jumpers better, if he can at least stabilize some of the units 820 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,480 without needing to have Shay or j dub on the court. Do you know 821 00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,400 what, He's not on the market right now. But this is the team 822 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,519 I wanted to bring up to talk about just because I'm confused by them and 823 00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:30,800 they're good, but I don't see the pathway that them getting a lot better. 824 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:37,000 But like they could make an offer where it's getting Mitchell Robinson and having 825 00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:39,559 him on your team. And that's someone who doesn't need to close games if 826 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:43,519 you don't want to. But he can play next to Chet Holmgren. He's 827 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:45,719 gonna fix your rebounding issues at both ends of the floor. He doesn't look 828 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,000 super hefty, but he has he just like diamond sized shoulders. Yeah, 829 00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,800 he will throw guys around. He's not the most versatile when it comes to 830 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,079 certain coverages. He will get not shredded, but your defense will be the 831 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,880 disadvantage when they're stretched big. But you have so much perimeter fire, including 832 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,880 Shay this year, by the way, who look yo, Kitch is the 833 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,840 MVP for me sort of running away right now. You're gonna be hard pressed 834 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,559 to argue for someone other than Shay at number two for me at the moment. 835 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,480 Yeah, talk about inner circle, like he is in the MVP inner 836 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,400 circle. There you go, Uh, who's one player who's one circle away 837 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,559 from being in the MVP in their circle? Even so, that would be 838 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,320 a name, And it's just the Knicks are not looking to move Mitchell Robinson, 839 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,360 so we need to come up with a better name. H r W 840 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,000 three if he was healthy, would have been interesting. That's just the Yeah, 841 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,800 I love that interesting. I wonder if it can it be this small? 842 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:45,960 Are you ready? Let's all brace ourselves Daniel Gafford. I mean because 843 00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:51,639 the point is like the absolute best version of the Thunder in a playoff series 844 00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:54,079 like Holmegruns a five, like right, because like that's just that has to 845 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,320 be how it is. So like I so your question is like is it 846 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,960 too small? But like maybe not, because you don't need gafferd. You 847 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,719 need Gafford to be like more of we've used the term already, like an 848 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,840 innings eater and like a matchup specific piece you can throw out there because they 849 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:14,199 the Thunder just like don't have that guy and you know, like other Arkansas 850 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,559 Jalen Williams, it makes the most of what he has, like for his 851 00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:21,920 size, but he's just he's always gonna be at a disadvantage, and like 852 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,000 doesn't give you a ton more than just using like I don't name the wing 853 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,320 you know on the roster that could play that spot if you have him out 854 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,920 there next to Homeroom, which they sort of never do. Yeah, I 855 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,519 think someone like that Drummond we've already said, just like I don't know, 856 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,960 just a maybe Drummonds like a little too unathletic. I think Gafford, you 857 00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:44,039 know, get up for lobs a little better still something like that. Yeah, 858 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:45,920 I don't I kind of like the Gafford move, or yeah, call 859 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,360 Charlotte again, see if you can, you know, Nick Richards, whatever, 860 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,320 just just get a body there with understanding that he will not be in 861 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:58,079 your closing five. Almost so I guess there's well, there's three names because 862 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,039 I have to mention him for every team. Chris Bouchet. Yeah, but 863 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,519 if I mean, I wouldn't not just not not hefty enough, I ever 864 00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:09,679 saying if they tore it down, would yaka pertl work for this team? 865 00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:15,440 That's interesting? Do you think my answer would be I would want to know 866 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,800 what it costs to get him, But they gave up a top six protected 867 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,960 first to get him. I'm not matching that no if I'm okay, no, 868 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,119 I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't love that. I've 869 00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:34,440 envisioning like more athleticism. I guess, okay, So I'm gonna go center 870 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,840 hefty adjacent here with a couple of names. Could this be a Paschal Siakam 871 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,599 team Josh Giddy's going out in that deal? So yeah, I kind of 872 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,880 like, well, I kind of like it because you're the Kumbacha girl meme. 873 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,039 You're like, I can't. Well, my first reaction is I do 874 00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:59,519 kind of like it because it's if he's replacing Giddy. You're saying like, 875 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,880 well, you just need to be more of a perimeter threat than Giddy, 876 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,039 which he is. Like I think you know Giddy can Giddy can put the 877 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:07,559 ball on the floor. Yeah, I don't know. I think Sam is 878 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:12,880 a downhill attacker. I guess my main my main concern would be like, 879 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,920 are you putting Siakam into a role that's like it's almost like what's the point 880 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,599 of it even being Sam because you're not gonna ask him to do like all 881 00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:25,679 star stuff necessarily because that'll be SGA number one. I think Williams will have 882 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,639 the ball a lot more because he's more of a playmaker than siakam Is. 883 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:34,800 And then Chet, God knowes, Like I don't know what Chet's like usage 884 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,719 ultimately needs to be because like maybe he should just the answer is he should 885 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,760 always just have it more and shoot more. So it's like, if that's 886 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,079 siakam is your I don't know the guy who's getting the fourth touch on every 887 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,840 possession, Like does it need to be? Is it that much of an 888 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,760 upgrade? Like does that make total sense? But then you get a lot 889 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,119 more athletic, you get lengthy, that's kind of fun, and you're so 890 00:55:55,199 --> 00:56:02,360 you're closing five? Then is Shay Dort j Dubbsham Chet, Yeah, I 891 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,519 mean it's pretty nasty. It's better. It's it's a lets scarier than having 892 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,480 Giddy as the fifth guy, right, or I mean even Cason Wallace for 893 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:13,599 now, First of all, caseon Wallace, there will be no even indirect 894 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,760 slander of case He. I guess the rebounding here, But the hef I 895 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,400 thought Xavier Tillman for a little bit, I'm already off that. The other 896 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,480 name I thought of, we already mentioned him this again is center helf Todjacent. 897 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,039 Does PJ. Washington do enough like if it's I don't know, if 898 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:31,320 that called, I probably wouldn't give up Giddy for that. I don't know 899 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,800 why Charlotte necessarily want him if they didn't want Scoot next to LaMelo U. 900 00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,599 But PJ watching Chet Holman is like kind of an interesting fri PJ watch his 901 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:43,599 real strength, but it's not going to redefine your rebounding, So I don't 902 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,440 I don't love that. I liked it actually, ironically a lot more before 903 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,519 I saw a Chet on the court. And Chet's better than I expected, 904 00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:52,960 So maybe I feel I have no doubt he could fit with him. I 905 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,960 just don't know if that's enough braun upfront between them. Yeah, it's tough 906 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,440 to find. It's it's isn't it funny that like now it's kind of hard 907 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,960 to find like athletic dunk only centers that that you would actually want to have 908 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,920 on the floor. There used to be just you know, oh, there's 909 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,039 Damian Jones, and there's like there's a million Damien Jones is out there, 910 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:14,840 and gafferd is kind of in that mold, and it's harder to find those 911 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,320 guys now because the way the game has changed, Like they're just you know, 912 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,880 other than Charlotte who has kind of two of them, and Richard's and 913 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,599 Mark Williams. Like, there's not a lot of teams carrying extra you know, 914 00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:29,440 seven foot guys that could can you know, dominate physically. Those guys 915 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,320 aren't around, no, And it's just I mean, even just trying to 916 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,559 go through like Wendell Carter Junior would be great for them, but the Magic 917 00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,280 aren't gonna trade Wendell Carter Junior because he's great there. I mean, would 918 00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:43,480 taking the I mean, you have the Damas Breton salary, so it's kind 919 00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,400 of low risk at this point, and Orlando has had him close at the 920 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:52,400 five this year. Does Jonathan Isaac do it for you at all? He's 921 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,480 always gonna be interesting, right, Like that's I think him. Him and 922 00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:59,480 Akong Wu a Kong was a different player, but I like, I was 923 00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:00,320 trying to think of other teams they had. Well, we've got a couple 924 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,400 centers, we can send you one. A cong Wu is not the type 925 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,519 of player I was talking about, but I do kind of I'm intrigued by 926 00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:10,440 the fit of him and Ched Holmgrent together just because in theory you get some 927 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,719 of the mobility and shop blocking and stuff from a cong Wu and Homewern can 928 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,559 kind of be more of a rover, which I think, you know what, 929 00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:21,079 that's what you want him to be, like in the Celtics Robert Williams 930 00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:23,159 the third mold of where he's just hanging out and then swoops in and block 931 00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:29,400 shots and stuff. Yeah, I don't I'm running out of names for them. 932 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,280 I don't look it's it can I think they can run the gamut of 933 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,480 well, maybe it is higher end if they wanted to just sniff around Siakam, 934 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,039 if it's just gonna cost, if it's giddy salary picks so you're not 935 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,760 touching your core, they could sniff around that. But they could also be 936 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,599 like, well, like if Nick Claxton's available, or if we just want 937 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:49,800 to roll the dice on freaking Zach Collin is not hefty enough. But you 938 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,880 catch my drift there. Yeah, hey, Jazz, you want like three 939 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,920 first rounders for Walker Kessler? We don't care. We have a million of 940 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,440 them. Like, just what about Larry Marketing on this team? Is he 941 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,920 Larry Marketing? And hope you're more fun than Zach than than Siakam. I 942 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,360 think just because of the shooting, we're more fun for sure. I don't 943 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,039 know their evens would still be fine, But is it doing what you want 944 00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:13,559 up front for them? No, I'm just enjoying. I still do it. 945 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,400 I mean the Josh. They have Kiante George, but they probably could 946 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,320 be pretty interested in Josh Giddy. And it's like, sure Lowry's an All 947 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,960 Star, but is here core player there? Because you're gonna be extension eligible, 948 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,119 you have to start thinking about that. I mean, not the team 949 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,800 I would pick for him, just because I think that they like they have. 950 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,480 They like to run a little bit smaller anyway, and so it's yeah, 951 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,679 he'll wound up playing a five. It's the points in Oklahoma City is 952 00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:38,000 what will happen? Why am I so interested in marketing on the Thunder? 953 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,599 Now that's not I've never had before. Thanks for you put that in my 954 00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,199 brain and now I like it. Thunder fans might be mad that we've traded 955 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:49,039 Giddy all over the place, but our point entirely is they have so much 956 00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:52,679 optionality. I'm past the point that they need to make this huge consolidation trade. 957 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:57,559 We're talking one player with that's the whole I only have two teams left 958 00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,199 if we want to talk about them quickly. Who's your next team? Oh 959 01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:01,719 see, I don't have a next I have like five that are kind of 960 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,320 like I don't want to cross them off. So give me one and I'll 961 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,400 tell you if I had them or not. I am the Kings, uh 962 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,880 not only they're one of your your friends. Are gonna kill you? Yeah? 963 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,559 No, they are. And it's an obvious need right like they they 964 01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:17,840 are. Can I say, okay, I said, you can't say it 965 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,119 anymore, but they are the Ananobe Josha team. Oh sorryeah, go ahead, 966 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,760 they are the Josha Kogi team. That's correct. They what they need. 967 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,480 He can. I think what the benefit of them is that player can 968 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,559 be more limited offensively than when you're looking at some of the other teams we 969 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:36,480 talked about. Are gonna need you know, the Pelicans need them to at 970 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,760 least they don't need ball skills. They need to stretch the floor. Even 971 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,360 in sort of Cleveland, like if you're gonna play next to Mobile, you 972 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,480 need to stretch the floor. You could sort of be just we'll take anybody 973 01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:50,639 that really is I sort of you don't want them to be you know, 974 01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:54,360 Andre Roberson, but like we'll just if he's a good to great defender. 975 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,440 I mean, you know what, the we've mentioned his name more than I 976 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,480 thought we went on the podcast. They would kind of be a fun Marcus 977 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,760 Smart team. Oh yeah right, I love everyone We've talked, like Finney 978 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,719 Smith, like you would take one of the sixers three small forwards. That's 979 01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:14,440 an interesting question with the Kings, and I think they have shown defensive improvement. 980 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,360 A lot of it has come on an individual level, with Keegan Murray 981 01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:22,960 before his back injury and the Aaron Fox specifically, But like, if it's 982 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:27,599 Dorian Phinney Smith is very much this team is so close to there and he's 983 01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,239 the finishing touch. Are the Kings at that level or is it? It 984 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:35,400 would probably need to be more impactful towards the mark a healthy Marcus Smart end 985 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,920 of the scope. I don't know. I mean so like and Kenned doesn't 986 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,920 have to be Could it be in sorry to interrupt you, could it be 987 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:50,280 Alex Caruso? I just I mean Alex Cruso would be just any kind of 988 01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:53,719 shutdown defender that can handle more than one position because you're gonna have to shuffle 989 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,599 him around. And Caruso, I guess Caruso's semi versatile, but really you 990 01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:01,440 just want him on ones and twos, don't you? Like, I don't 991 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,400 know if I love him on small four? So to me like, oh 992 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,159 go ahead. Sorry. The thing, the thing that complicates this for me, 993 01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:12,400 and this is where the Kings fans, if those they are still listening, 994 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,159 will get mad at me, is like the Sabonis thing presents such a 995 01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:21,480 structural hurdle to being a true title contender that like, yeah, you go 996 01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:25,159 get Ananobe then you know, or that like the highest high end possible piece 997 01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:30,280 that we're we could imagine, that's really like semi realistically available. You still 998 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:35,039 run into the thing of like can a team that's playing Sabonis at center with 999 01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:38,320 his defensive limitations and non shooting, like does it matter if you have Anonobe 1000 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,239 or not? Like yeah, so and it absolutely does. So I'm gonna 1001 01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:45,079 I'm gonna frame it like this. We have seen kolok is better than Demonta 1002 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:51,199 Sabonis on defense. I'll princhan Gun has been slightly better on defense than Si 1003 01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:55,639 Bonus. This season, Demonison was absolutely good enough to be the starting center 1004 01:02:55,719 --> 01:03:00,159 on a championship team. Can he be your best player? No? But 1005 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,880 you guess what news flesh. He's not your best player right now. You 1006 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,199 run so much through him, but it's de Aaron Fox and so because you 1007 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,320 have the one, it's more about fleshing out the roster around them to get 1008 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:15,880 there. And yes, I think the real debate is someone like og Ognobe 1009 01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:22,159 exactly would make the difference. Do. The question to me anyway is does 1010 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:24,480 it need to be that level of player or ten it be Hey, look 1011 01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:28,559 we just we sent picks and salary to the Bulls and got Patrick Williams and 1012 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,079 Alex Caruso and like we're we're ready, which is you know, I don't 1013 01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:35,440 know if the Bulls would move Patrick Williams, But like that, if you 1014 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,199 put Patrick Williams and Alex Caruso on this team and you're you know, you 1015 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,320 kept Murray and you kept Fox, I mean, I'm sure Herder would still 1016 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,159 be there. You have there's moving parts there. Davion Mitchell's to go out, 1017 01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:46,599 Harrison Barszys to go out, There's play, more teams involved. But 1018 01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,440 if it's picks attached to that, I think that's enough. I don't think 1019 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,639 Alex Caruso on his own is enough. I don't think Dorian Finny Smith on 1020 01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:57,920 his own is enough. It makes them better. I think they need it 1021 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,960 probably comes somewhere in between the if we're using the og Ananobi to Dorian Finney 1022 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,400 Smith barometer, it needs to be whether with one player or is a combination. 1023 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,480 No one's watching. I'm just doing this with my hands. A lot 1024 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,760 of hand gestures right now indicated Mark is smart would almost be perfect. I 1025 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,360 don't he's He's not healthy. So that's right. You know that's one imperfection. 1026 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,480 Do you know who actually well, I don't know if he'd be perfect. 1027 01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:26,920 Jared Jackson Junior will be fun on this team. Just oh my god, 1028 01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:30,639 yeah, that'd be that'd be perfect. Are shifting Keegan Murray to a 1029 01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:35,159 lot of wing respond then you all like eight so but you'll figure it out. 1030 01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:39,960 John Jackson Yield defend Wings done right. Problem solved, We figured we 1031 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,440 hacked it. You got to get the defensive player of the year on the 1032 01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:45,960 Kings, and then that's the one player away they are. You've named the 1033 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:49,519 last two defensive player of the years and they are the perfect King's acquisition. 1034 01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:53,400 What does that tell you? I have a final team. This is my 1035 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,559 final that I think they're actually one player away. And then I have others 1036 01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,760 listed. I have the Lakers, okay, so I also had I don't 1037 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,920 know if i'd call them one player away. The Lakers are on my list, 1038 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,440 probably at the top of the last team, so we'll do then. 1039 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,679 But just Miami, Orlando, and New York are all like a tier down 1040 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,079 because they're a little more than one player away for different reasons. But I 1041 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,320 just wanted to throw them out there, like what are you doing at them 1042 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:19,320 and the other team? I didn't forget about them, to be clear, 1043 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,679 and they've played better, so we should play and they have the asses to 1044 01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:25,840 do something. Do we like, let's have a conversation about the Lakers and 1045 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,960 the Clippers and then we can go to the Eastern Conference group to wrap it 1046 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,280 up. The Clippers I do not think have enough as currently constructed. No 1047 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,199 agree, they're close. I don't, But when I'm trying to pinpoint the 1048 01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:42,480 need, it feels like they simultaneously have not many and too many. Who 1049 01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,880 is the player? And don't say o Giananobi, I can't, Hey, 1050 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,000 who is they? I feel like, do they need a different look at 1051 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,840 the five? Do they need kind of a different look on the wings? 1052 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,639 Is it? You know they've actually run out some pretty interesting lineups when Tyer 1053 01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:58,920 Lou's really been on his game. That makes me think, well, maybe 1054 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,559 they don't they don't need that extra player. I think with them, I've 1055 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,400 just had trouble identifying what they what they need because I'm not sure whether it's 1056 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:11,000 a big ish acquisition or is just just sort of odds and ends at the 1057 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:15,119 moment. We've mentioned him several times, but Nick Claxton I think is the 1058 01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,079 kind of piece that I would I think could really improve this team because Zubats 1059 01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:23,159 does a lot for them, but he is just so limited with not just 1060 01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:26,679 as a spacer, but his mobility. You put Claxton out there, and 1061 01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:29,679 then you're looking at and you remember you have James Harden on this team, 1062 01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:31,880 and in theory he's on the floor for the minutes that matter. You're gonna 1063 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,480 have to employ a switching defense. That's just the rule. And if and 1064 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:40,480 Claxton I think allows you, along with George and Kawhi and whoever the fifth 1065 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,079 guy is, to do that, I mean, it's like you shouldn't have 1066 01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:45,199 to make a hard sell for Nick Claxton. He's one of the best, 1067 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,800 most versatile defensive centers in the league. So I think it's that type of 1068 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,519 player. I mean, I mean, what's the alternative you think it's like 1069 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:59,039 we need a we need to know someone who erases the PJ. Tucker at 1070 01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:03,679 the four minutes from distance or Finny Smith would do that. You know. 1071 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,280 Nick Patoon would be a pretty good fit there. I like him as a 1072 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,920 connector on offense. Do you think they have anything? I mean, when 1073 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,960 we're talking bigs, would they have to because they do, they can't train 1074 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,800 it first, and it's I guess just who you're sending out as the team 1075 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,039 would have probably interested in. Norman Powell, like Jared Allen would be great 1076 01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:23,960 on this team. Oh yeah, he'd be a He's trade number one first 1077 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,480 round pick. Do I take you? I apologize? Yeah, well yeah. 1078 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,440 And I mean like if this were last year, you would have said, 1079 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,960 well, and then the Clippers could just send the Calves that small forward 1080 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,960 they need because they got seventeen of them. Uh, but that that's not 1081 01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:39,039 that's not where we are anymore. I like that. I like the Nick 1082 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:42,639 Claxton one. I mean he's kind of almost a cheat, Like he's kind 1083 01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:44,960 of like Anonobe where it's just like, yeah, of course you'd want a 1084 01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,079 switchable center that can block shots and run the f like you know, Lakers. 1085 01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:53,960 So the Lakers were I think are uh and that we're not just saying 1086 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,119 this because well, who knows what's going to happen to them in the plan 1087 01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:02,079 by the time this airrors go way to date this podcast, I the Lakers 1088 01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:06,559 are so confounding because like we still you know, I think gave Vincent really 1089 01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:11,239 matters for them, and he hasn't really played I might I think we feel 1090 01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:15,599 differently if if all their guys like Hachi Mura's miss time, I think they 1091 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,399 still have We've already talked about this. They got too many one way guys 1092 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,880 and so you need someone like a two wing or forward. So Jared Vanderbilt 1093 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,760 isn't such a critical piece of all your playoff decisions like that, you know 1094 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,279 that's gonna We're gonna constantly be like, I think this is a series Vanderbilt 1095 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,399 is gonna have to play, But what's that due to the offense, Just 1096 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,439 like last year, that like that that is gonna happen again. And if 1097 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,199 they don't get someone that is an upgrade on that spot, they need that 1098 01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:45,399 person to either be a great shooter in high volume or end or can generate 1099 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,920 their own shot too. And I actually don't think it needs to be a 1100 01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:53,119 I would be fine with and this is a pretty big player. But I 1101 01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:55,880 do think he's a feasible get with their assets, given how much his value 1102 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,520 has declined. I do think Zach Lavine does it for this team. I 1103 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:04,039 actually really like him interesting in in La do you think so, just as 1104 01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:10,479 like, here's the guy that it doesn't have to be D'Angelo Russell anymore, 1105 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,880 that is gonna take over a big share of the offense and su and or 1106 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,239 supplement Lebron and ad and just be like a high usage guy that's gonna stretch 1107 01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:24,680 the floor and get you, like we have said it both several times. 1108 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,920 But like the innings eater, like Levine is gonna present playoff problems, but 1109 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,279 like, yeah, he's almost like the theory of the Westbrook trade, where 1110 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:35,000 it's like this guy is just gonna he's good enough to keep us afloat and 1111 01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:39,039 lighten the load a little bit and maybe he's better than that, Like is 1112 01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:43,279 that kind of the thinking. Yeah, Well, it's just the big thing 1113 01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,159 is if you he's never played this role, by the way, like he's 1114 01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:50,800 not full time he's he's number three in LA, and so you just have 1115 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:56,000 him cut, take threes and then he can get off his off his quick 1116 01:09:56,039 --> 01:10:00,399 off the dribble looks when he's getting fed out of Lebron kickouts or just when 1117 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,399 Lebron is off the court, because look, the Lebron minutes, the minutes 1118 01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,880 without Lebron, excuse me, are just a categorical disaster. And I'm asking 1119 01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,359 you, so, even if you don't think Zack Levine is the perfect acquisition, 1120 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,920 would you give up D'Angelo Russell just based off what you've seen this season, 1121 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,600 knowing what the Lakers need, thinking about the postseason, like given how 1122 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:24,000 Danzel Russell's played, and how much you've still struggled in the non Lebron minutes 1123 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,800 and just overall in your half court offense, does Zach Lavine do it for 1124 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,439 you? Yeah? I think so. I think I think for me. 1125 01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:38,520 Uh, we know that, and because we've seen it recently that there are 1126 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:44,880 gonna be games matchup series even where Russell just is not someone they're gonna want 1127 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,560 out there for, you know, for a major role that that has happened 1128 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:54,119 before. If you have Levine as the third option, your third offensive option, 1129 01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:56,479 I mean, Austin Reeves would probably like to be heard from here at 1130 01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,960 some point, But like I think I'm more I think the upsides just higher 1131 01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,720 with Levine in like the quote unquote Russell role, because Levine is just a 1132 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:10,359 better all around offensive player, I think. But like if there was a 1133 01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:14,359 way for them to get Caruso and Levine, I don't think there is with 1134 01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:15,760 what the ass I mean, they can get to the money, but you're 1135 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:21,199 gonna be giving up that ruy d Lo Torrian Princes in there time. I 1136 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,119 mean, I can you get get that to that money without Reeves would be 1137 01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:29,159 the question you gave So if it was Gabe Vincent ruy Delo, Torrian Prince, 1138 01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:31,880 like there's your money and then Jaalaenhoodchafino and a pick and then what can 1139 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,319 you give up? Like three swaps or something that that That's what I mean, 1140 01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:38,039 Like you can get to the money. I just think you're gonna have 1141 01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:41,720 a hard time making that the best offer that the Bulls get for Levine probably 1142 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,680 I assume. But like if you go Caruso, Levine, Lebron Davis and 1143 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,079 I I don't know Reeves or whoever the fifth guy is, Like that's I'm 1144 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:54,760 we are inner circle territory right there, because you've you've ticked a lot of 1145 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,800 boxes with that that What about this would skew more towards what you were saying 1146 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,479 at the beginning. What about a reunion with Kyle Kuzma. Yeah, that's 1147 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,079 an interesting one too. You'd have to assume that Kuzma would play differently than 1148 01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:09,199 he is with the Wizards, right Like he would have to accept the lesser 1149 01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:12,079 role. He would have to. There were stretches where he was a very 1150 01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:15,439 good defender for the Lakers, right like that. They've seen that happen, 1151 01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:19,760 not consistently, but like it was a thing. So I thought of that 1152 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,199 too. I think, well, put it this way, you can have 1153 01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:30,159 Levine or Kuzma and the packages are equal, Like does the salary difference move 1154 01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:31,680 you at all towards Kuzma or is it just still like, Oh no, 1155 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,079 it's got to be Levine because because Kuzma would bring more defensive value, I 1156 01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:40,119 think just because its size. It's just what are you trading for him? 1157 01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:42,960 Because if you're trading d'anzel Russell, I don't think the Wizards are gonna want 1158 01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:46,720 RUI No, they've already they've already decided officially that they don't want Ruey. 1159 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,399 So are you like going Jallenhochafino and gave Vincent when he's eligibly be portrayed, 1160 01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,600 and then someone else to get him. I think if you're keeping d Lo, 1161 01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:58,680 you could talk me into the to the Kuzma thing. Yeah, but 1162 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,880 I would also part of me is like, wouldn't it just make more sense 1163 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,119 to if you could wow the nets with your pick and your swaps and maybe 1164 01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:08,840 Jalen hoocha Fino's in there or as I know what, Lakers fans love Max 1165 01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:11,560 Max Christy, but is it better to get They're more stop gaps, but 1166 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,199 you could keep them, like, let's just get Royce O'Neill and Dory, 1167 01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:17,560 Infiny Smith and ro That's kind of a Lakers type move, isn't it, 1168 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,239 where they just go get the couple of vets on the wing and then they'll 1169 01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:25,760 just be better in the playoffs. I think, yeah, I k Kuzma 1170 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,720 is interesting. You're giving me a real pause on that one, but I 1171 01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:32,760 think that's could they do. I was gonna say, I don't know what 1172 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,720 they're gonna give this team. They have the money to make it work, 1173 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,359 but there's probably more teams that need to be involved. Like Tim Hardaway Junior 1174 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,439 is sort of like, well, we can't get Buddy Heel because the Pacers 1175 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,199 he went from requesting a trade, so now he's starting to now it's like, 1176 01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:46,760 oh, well you'd be back. Buddy Heald would still make so much 1177 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,560 sense on this team. But like Tim Hardaway Junior is kind of the feels 1178 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:55,760 the more gettable Buddy Healed light version. Could we just reverse time and have 1179 01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,479 this year's Malik Beasley beyond the team because that would solve a few problems time 1180 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,159 and have them pull off the trade for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed that was 1181 01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:06,960 probably man. They're like there's some real like I don't know if you call 1182 01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:11,600 him missus because it's like, you know, Beasley wasn't this good last year 1183 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,039 for them, and and the Healed Turner trade just like didn't happen. But 1184 01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:18,520 like there have been some there are some like alternate futures or alternate presence. 1185 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,479 I guess where the Lakers have certain guys that they really could have had, 1186 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:28,199 where this team is terrifying. Turner and Healed on this team would be unbelievable 1187 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,079 by the way I did not think you were gonna get me to come around 1188 01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:32,920 on the zach Lavine to the Lakers, being like, actually a good idea, 1189 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,279 but I think you kind of did it. I think, look, 1190 01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:39,520 if you can get it for the assets that you have available, why, 1191 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,720 Like he's also, by the way, I know he's got super young anymore, 1192 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,439 but him and Davis are a bridge to Oh, Lebron's gonna be forty, 1193 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,479 maybe he leaves or maybe he's just not as good at some point. 1194 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:53,760 It's just easier to do it. To me, it's easier to envision Davis, 1195 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,359 Reeves and Levine keeping you afloat without Lebron or reduced version of Lebron than 1196 01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:01,399 it is like, well we've got d Loo and like we could try Gabe 1197 01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,680 Vincent, we have him on the road. So it's and it's just just 1198 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,960 the quality of player for the assets you have. It. It's sort of 1199 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,079 like the Suns with Bradley Beal, where it feels like you're giving up so 1200 01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:15,199 much because that's all you have, but the value of that and Bradley Beal 1201 01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:17,960 is better at well, well they're both not healthy right now. But it's 1202 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,640 just to get that player for the asset you have available is a big deal. 1203 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:25,199 You're yawning, I'm tired. Let's talk about the three teams in the 1204 01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:29,760 East really quickly. So you had Miami, Orlando and the Knicks. Look, 1205 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,600 I'm just gonna call it right, the Knicks aren't there. Uh, 1206 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,399 there's if it's one player, it's like they're the team that needs a superstar. 1207 01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,720 I think if anyone that we list didn't know, we didn't say any 1208 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,119 of them needed a superstar. I guess the Warriors we came the closest, 1209 01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:45,439 and the Lakers with Levigne. But like we named other names, you can't 1210 01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:49,199 sell me on a name for the Knicks. That's not even if it would 1211 01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:54,039 have Oji Ananobi, I think is the worst player that they could acquire and 1212 01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:58,039 maybe enter contention. And that's just like a pretty big as it wouldn't build 1213 01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:00,760 them as contenders. After that, I want to included. The Knicks are 1214 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,239 really good. Their three point volume is up, they're hitting their threes. 1215 01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,079 They are just games where it all falls apart, and it feels like it 1216 01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:10,560 all falls apart at the same time, where it's Jalen Brunson and Manuel Quickly 1217 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,000 are both bad, or Julius Randalls all over the place, defensively, and 1218 01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:16,920 he was going up against Giannis and the N season tournament and he had the 1219 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,680 great offensive performance, but then he just has his lows. RJ. Barrett, 1220 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,840 you know, eight games of greatness here, levels off for a few 1221 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,359 games, plummets for another few games, back up for a little bit. 1222 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,479 And the other thing with them, and I really don't think we need to 1223 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,439 go to their trade assets just they're not all they're cracked up to be at 1224 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,239 this point, because the Knicks are good enough to where their own picks. 1225 01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:40,119 Yes, the cachet of it's the Knicks, just like if you were going 1226 01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:43,119 to get a Kings pick, that would still exist. But in reality, 1227 01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,560 if you're sending them a good player and they have Jalen Brunson and they still 1228 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,439 have most of the supporting cast, what is that worth? They have two 1229 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,720 picks from Washington Detroit that might not convey every and then there's the Dallas pick, 1230 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,119 which who knows, it's top ten protected this year? Where is that 1231 01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:00,279 going to land? Emmanuel quickly? Interesting go to be a restricted free agent 1232 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,319 value kind of not torpedoed the way Obi Toppins was, But you've waited so 1233 01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:09,680 long that he's more valuable to keep Quentin Grinds is playing through the worst stretch 1234 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,399 of his his career as rotation player right now has two years left on his 1235 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,479 well one year after this one left on his rookie scale. What is his 1236 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:20,159 value? They're they have reasonable offers if someone becomes available. They are never 1237 01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:24,199 gonna have the best offer in a trade package unless they put you John Brunson 1238 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,520 on the table. And so it's you know, if you could change out 1239 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,079 Julius Randall for Larry Market and maybe I'd be like a little bit higher on 1240 01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,479 this team. So you're gonna send picks and Randal affort. But even that, 1241 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,640 it's like, well, you're going from Julius Randall, who, yeah, 1242 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,000 he's ball dominant, but like he's better ball dominant than Larry Market. 1243 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,520 In even though Larry Market is the better compliment. They're just not there yet. 1244 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,239 They need the megastar. Yeah, and that Megasine. It's not Levine. 1245 01:17:49,319 --> 01:17:51,640 Someone asked me if Siaqa would be a good fit, not with Mitchell 1246 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,039 Robinson here. And that's the other thing is that if you're gonna get the 1247 01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:59,239 megastar, they need to fit alongside Mitchell Robinson, who's great, but he 1248 01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:00,800 creates lim A takee. I don't know if you have any further thoughts on 1249 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,199 the Knicks before we get to Miami. No, I just I just think 1250 01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,760 it's funny that, like, for the player they needed, I just put 1251 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,960 an alpha, which is like and then I just think, well, that's 1252 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,560 true of twenty different teams, so you're not one player away. If the 1253 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,319 player you need is better than everyone you have. The only thing I would 1254 01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:17,239 correct is they need someone who is I would say, can be as good 1255 01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:19,920 as Jalen Brunson. Doesn't necessarily need to be better if you have two Jalen 1256 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:26,000 Brunson's obviously not like size, otherwise that'd be a real problem. But yeah, 1257 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:30,239 yeah, okay, or Miami, so I mean my Orlando I didn't 1258 01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,920 have just because I don't think they're gonna make the move. And but it's 1259 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:39,239 like if you said, if I told you they got Anthony Simons or Buddy 1260 01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:42,920 Healed or and this is the name I love for them, Emmanuel quickly, 1261 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,239 do you think that's the level of acquisition that's enough to put them in the 1262 01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:49,000 well? Like, fuck, this team could really mess it up in the 1263 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:55,800 East. The guy I had that is not available and will never be for 1264 01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,319 a lot of reasons. Is they need like a Derek White because he would 1265 01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:05,439 allow you to preserve your backcourt defensive identity, but he's just better at all 1266 01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,840 the offensive stuff. And Jalen Suggs got hurt tonight. I still don't know 1267 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,399 what it was. I don't know if you saw it. It was in 1268 01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,039 the first half against Cleveland. He was grabbing his achilles like. It was 1269 01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:16,439 not great. He had to be helped off. I don't know if it's 1270 01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,600 an ankle. I don't know what it is. But like, Suggs has 1271 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,960 been so valuable to them, but Derek White just can do everything Suggs does, 1272 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,239 but kind of better, maybe less with less like you know, ferocity 1273 01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:30,640 on defense, but like someone like like a White is just the ideal fit 1274 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,800 there. To say that he makes them an Inner Circle contender is kind of 1275 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,159 wild, just because of how young the rest of the roster is. But 1276 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,560 that's what I'd be looking for because I don't want to give up the defensive 1277 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,359 identity. This team has to improve its offense, which and its offense does 1278 01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,279 need to be better, so and it's actually been better in recent weeks, 1279 01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:48,960 but at the expense of its defense too. Yeah, So I want the 1280 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,199 trade off. I want it all. So that's Derek White. It was 1281 01:19:51,279 --> 01:19:56,359 right Ankle's brain. And here's someone that I think could potentially be more gettable. 1282 01:19:56,399 --> 01:20:00,359 We talked about him in the earlier week the earlier in the previous podcast. 1283 01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:04,000 This week, everyone remember when everyone was trying to send Trey Young to 1284 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:10,600 Orlando? What about de Jeante Murray. That's kind of fun. Shot the 1285 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,520 ball better. Yeah, and you don't need him to be a capslock defender. 1286 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:19,159 If you know, like you're not giving up, you're gonna have at 1287 01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:24,399 least one of Anthony Black or Jaellen sugs left over after that trade, maybe 1288 01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,800 both because Anthony is still there. No, but I meant like defensively, 1289 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,199 like even if the Jeana Murray slips, you just have another primary defender at 1290 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:36,279 least one maybe two. So and I think your faults is probably being sent 1291 01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:42,960 out and that deal is the expiring money and then other other stuff. That's 1292 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,159 a name that I actually love. Yeah, that's good. Do you think 1293 01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:49,439 do you think the half court though is still too small and not size wise, 1294 01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:54,640 but the floor like does that expand it enough? I mean it it 1295 01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,319 sort of would depend on is the latest version of Murray? Like the real 1296 01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:01,439 thing or one you can scale up to where like he's actually kind of an 1297 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:06,600 offense skewing player now that is dependent on his outside shooting, which was a 1298 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,119 real weakness for most of his career. Like if he's that guy and even 1299 01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:14,600 you can add more volume to him, then then yeah, I mean that's 1300 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,560 that's phenomenal. But yeah, I think you're probably right that like Murray is 1301 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:24,279 still not someone that really kind of is gonna make the floor bigger. I 1302 01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:30,239 guess to to use your terminology, Uh what about Steph Curry? I don't 1303 01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:32,359 hate it. I don't hate it. I mean they're gonna have to blow 1304 01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:35,880 it up, so I might as well send him to the next dynasty in 1305 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:41,880 Orlando, right, Miamily is Orlando's just not gonna make the move? Now, 1306 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,239 that's fine, they're not, but they're really good. If Magic fans 1307 01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:45,640 are taking us to being dismissive, we said your team's not gonna win the 1308 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:50,079 title, I'm sorry that we offended you terribly, Sorry, Miami, is 1309 01:21:50,119 --> 01:21:54,000 it? I know some people focused on like they need the extra they do 1310 01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:59,199 need the extra shot, Like what if you slotted Larry Marketed onto this team, 1311 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,960 So then you going I guess Bam marketing. Butler, I'm assuming Hero 1312 01:22:05,359 --> 01:22:10,119 getting out of that deal without trading one of Hero or Lowry and Jimi Hawks 1313 01:22:10,199 --> 01:22:12,880 is gone. If you're getting maybe you just want to keep Hawkes at that 1314 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,840 point. So does that have to be Hero and Hawkes to the trade? 1315 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,159 Duncan Robinson too, but his shooting might be pretty important they can get to 1316 01:22:19,239 --> 01:22:23,359 the Maybe is it just do you trust because the Jazz aren't gonna want Tyler 1317 01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:26,520 Hero? Would be my guest, could you get? Well? Do you 1318 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,800 think you have enough? What's that? I can think one reason the Jazz 1319 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,359 might want Tyler Hero? So could you get Do you think you can get 1320 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:40,840 enough? If Kyle Lowry's gone and you're not replacing him with another point guard 1321 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:45,239 type, if you just put Lowry picks on the table. Maybe Hawkes is 1322 01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:47,520 involved. Do you think the Heat are a lot better with Lowry marketing? 1323 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,479 Or is it then? I know Lowry's older, but like, did we 1324 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:55,239 just give away too much of connective tissue? Yeah? I don't know. 1325 01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:58,920 I guess the assumption would be that the Heat will just manufacture like three other 1326 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,279 guys that can be the active tissue, like maybe Cable Martin is back at 1327 01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:05,520 some point and it can be helpful, I like, or high Smith takes 1328 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:10,520 another step or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. I just 1329 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,800 like I can't get over did did you see that report that they offered the 1330 01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,960 heat offered more for Drew Holiday than they did for Damian the Alard because they 1331 01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:21,039 liked his contract better. Yeah, they liked his contract and like, I 1332 01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:24,800 don't know. Also, I feel like it was at least implied that like 1333 01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:30,039 hashtag heat culture is very much a Drew Holiday thing and maybe not so much 1334 01:23:30,119 --> 01:23:34,640 Dame. I don't know is Dame is social media performative hashtag heat culture and 1335 01:23:35,239 --> 01:23:41,079 Drew Holidays threw blue hashtag he Drew Holidays about it he walks the walk. 1336 01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,520 Uh, yeah, I saw. I just kept thinking, like, well, 1337 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,199 I'd like a Drew Holiday type. Then I don't know what that is. 1338 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,840 Uh, but you know that is that that's another Derek White type. 1339 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,520 Like the guys you could actually get you went front court. I was kind 1340 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,640 of looking more backcourt, just because I'm not sure I believe in the Lowry. 1341 01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:00,359 It's very confusing to talk about Lowry Marketing and Kyle Lowry on the same 1342 01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:04,680 team. But the Kyle Lowry Tyler Hero playoff viability. I had some questions 1343 01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,199 about giving the age of one and the like kind of one way play or 1344 01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:13,039 the other. So I was looking more backcourt. But like I just I 1345 01:24:13,119 --> 01:24:15,760 don't know, it's even harder for me to come up with guards that you 1346 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,239 know are starting if the Knicks just think they can't pay him. But I 1347 01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:21,199 don't know why they were trading with the Miami, of all teams. If 1348 01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:25,079 they make a trade together, it'd be pretty shocking. Yeah, he's an 1349 01:24:25,119 --> 01:24:27,560 interesting one. I mean to go get I guess you could go take a 1350 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,119 shot at Grimes, try to get him for nothing since he since he wants 1351 01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:32,960 out. No, I don't know that that's I didn't have a lot of 1352 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,960 thoughts on Miami, just that they Terry Rozier do it for you at all. 1353 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,600 I mean he kind of he's right on the borderline for in PJ. 1354 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,119 Washington, for Kyle Lowry, maybe stuff like to get the money at work. 1355 01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:48,920 Yeah, what do you get in Charlotte? What's Charlotte want out of 1356 01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,439 that? Picks? I would assume what you could get, because you wouldn't 1357 01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,960 do I wouldn't do Hawke as if if the payoff was Rogier, that's not 1358 01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:59,640 that's not enough if I'm Miami. Yeah, he'd be interesting. He feels 1359 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,079 kind of like heat player too. I could see him having like a really 1360 01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:04,640 good like glow up with the heat and then he leaves in isn't as good 1361 01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,239 anymore? H Yeah, that's all I got on the heat. They need 1362 01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:12,159 Drew Holiday. That's the should have got Drew Holiday and then they'd be really 1363 01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,560 interesting. Well, I don't think it doesn't seem like with their best offer 1364 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,399 of beat Boston's. But well, I mean it doesn't look as great now 1365 01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,119 with RW three injured, I will say that. No. Yeah, well 1366 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:30,159 Boston just got away with it. That was the highest on that one stat 1367 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:33,600 Petting, Do you want to kick us off with what you have for me? 1368 01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:38,920 Yep? All right, so this is from this from Rubikscal. I'm 1369 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,920 just gonna lead off with it. Uh So, Dan Kevin Durant moved into 1370 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,920 tenth on the all time scoring list, which I'm sure you're aware he passed 1371 01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:50,920 one. That's congratulations, it is true, you got it. Uh He 1372 01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:56,359 is one of five guys in the top ten who has for his career shot 1373 01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:01,399 under fifty percent. Can you name the others? I'll give you three strikes 1374 01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:10,960 top ten in scoring under fifty percent from the field for his career, Lebron. 1375 01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:15,960 Uh, strike one. Oh my god, he's over over him. 1376 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,359 I want to double check that now because that seems crazy. Is he over 1377 01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:26,960 fifty? If he's over fifty, Jordan's got to be over fifty. You 1378 01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:29,159 just gave me a look. I don't want to waste one of my strikes 1379 01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:34,119 on Jordan. Um, why is this so hard? It is kind of 1380 01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:38,399 hard. Lebron's at fifty point five percent from the field for his career. 1381 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,520 So how many players are under fifty? Uh? There's four of them, 1382 01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,359 four of the top ten, and one of them is Kevin Durant. I 1383 01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:53,439 guess he's the fifth. So there's four others Karl alone, no, strike 1384 01:26:53,479 --> 01:27:01,399 two? Kobe correct? All right? Um? Four more? Well, 1385 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:10,960 okay, so there's three more? Well Jordan, Yeah, under fifty. 1386 01:27:11,079 --> 01:27:19,039 All right, it can't be Kareem. I refuse to say Kareem. You 1387 01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:26,119 should not say Kareem. Okay, good. Would it help if I gave 1388 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:29,760 you the remaining players that are on the top ten? Yeah, do that, 1389 01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,319 all right? So you've already said Lebron Kareem. You said Kromelo and 1390 01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:36,560 Kobe MJ. You got to choose from who of these guys shot under fifty 1391 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:43,520 percent for their careers, Dirk, Wilt, Shack, Carmelo, Anthony, 1392 01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,720 Oh, Mellow and Mellow Mellow and Dirk. You got it? Yeah, 1393 01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:53,680 Dirk, I wasn't sure you're gonna get in the top ten. That's crazy. 1394 01:27:54,199 --> 01:27:58,680 Yeah, I think I want to say he's the next guy Katie's gonna 1395 01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,239 catch, and it might it this year. I forget. I saw the 1396 01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:05,119 graphic the other day. Let's see, you got one I can. I 1397 01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:08,880 got a bunch, just trying to decide which ones I like the best. 1398 01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:12,720 Why don't we run through yours and then we'll run through allmine that I got. 1399 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,439 Let's try and separate it that way this time, all right, So 1400 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,319 I'll ask you, do you want like more of a historical not like way 1401 01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:24,800 back, but like an all time thing? Or do you want some more 1402 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:31,119 like recent draft stuff? Give me one of each? Okay. Tyre's Halliburn 1403 01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:34,520 is on pace to lead the league and average over eleven assists per game. 1404 01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:40,279 Name five of the eight players who've averaged at least eleven assists in a season 1405 01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,760 more than once so guys that had eleven assists per game more than once? 1406 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,000 Do I get three strikes for this one too? Sure? I don't know 1407 01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,680 why I said five of eight, just like Gon stocked in correct nine times. 1408 01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:57,039 The all time leader still doesn't know what science is though. That's rough. 1409 01:28:58,119 --> 01:29:03,159 Chris Paul done it twice. Oh I was close then if he was 1410 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:12,079 ever this high. Steve Nash done it five times. Whoa, uh so 1411 01:29:12,079 --> 01:29:16,560 it's five of eight. Have averaged eleven assists or more? Multiple times? 1412 01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,600 Yeah? Just just give me. You've got three and you've got three strikes. 1413 01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,880 Still they're just tell me who's this average at least eleven assists more than 1414 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:30,800 one season. Jason Kidd uh unbelievably No, And I actually thought that was 1415 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,399 gonna be wrong. I'm not gonna lie, really, And now I gotta 1416 01:29:32,399 --> 01:29:35,680 look that one up just to double check because that seems crazy. I feel 1417 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,960 like, Yo kich is gonna make this list by the end of his career, 1418 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:45,079 to be honest with you, But now I assist question later. Damn. 1419 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,000 Jason Kidd never averaged eleven. He was over ten three times, most 1420 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:55,520 overrated player in NBA history. That's why I'm like blanking on who would be 1421 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,520 in the assist leaders I'm trying to think of Oh, James Harden, No, 1422 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,159 did not to do it. So that's strike one or you got two 1423 01:30:01,239 --> 01:30:04,960 strikes. Actually, that's I have two strikes. Who was Oh, because 1424 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:09,840 I got Jason Kidd said Jason Kidd, we just burn another strike. Trey 1425 01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,640 Young hasn't No, Trey Young hasn't done it. You're missing. Let's see 1426 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:19,319 this player is not acting. The remaining options are not active. Oh my 1427 01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:26,680 god, Oscar Robinson correct, did it four times? Very good? More 1428 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,640 done it right? You? Said Stockton Nash Paul oh Robertson. Yeah, 1429 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,800 you do need to get one more magic correct? He had eight right too. 1430 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,680 I was about to say, like, just the short list of greatest 1431 01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,600 point guards ever, you gotta name this guy. Okay, uh, I 1432 01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,479 want to get to this one now because you kind of mentioned him. Actually 1433 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,279 it's going to totally spoil it, but hey, Dan, who does not 1434 01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:54,039 have twenty assists in a game? Chris Paul Russell Westbrook, Reggie Jackson or 1435 01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:59,439 Nicola Jokich. Nicola Jokich correct eighteen twice. Reggie Jackson had a twenty assist 1436 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,720 game. I don't actually remember that. I probably would have picked him if 1437 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:08,920 you didn't I know I blew it, all right? A draft one Dan 1438 01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:15,680 which twenty fifteen Draft Prospects scouting report included the phrase the cockiest prospect in years, 1439 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:23,239 D'Angelo Russell, Frank Kaminski, Mario Hiszonia or Devin Booker, Mario Hisonia 1440 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,079 correct, accurate, accurate, That is, like I'm defining characteristic of his 1441 01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:31,720 career as he was a cocky player. Mario Hazzonia played like he thought he 1442 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,520 was Devin Booker? He did who was? What do you do with Lebron? 1443 01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,199 Didn't he like? Did he dunk on him and like to sleep over 1444 01:31:38,319 --> 01:31:42,159 him? Right? Yeah, that's right. God, I wish I had 1445 01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,600 like a fraction of Mario Hazzonia's self belief. You know what I could accomplish? 1446 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,960 Oh my god, he's just like a superpower. All right, I 1447 01:31:51,079 --> 01:31:54,720 got a bunch more. We can keep going if you want, but uh, 1448 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,640 or you could take jump to yours? Uh you want to do? 1449 01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,920 I got a bunch of word associations for yeah. Oh man, I don't 1450 01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,039 know if I'm mentally prepared here. Let me see if I have one. 1451 01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:08,119 I absolutely have to get you. Oh okay, yeah, well let's do 1452 01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:10,640 some word associations there's a chunk of these I really want to get to, 1453 01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,479 So I'm gonna do them next when we're done with those. Sure, first 1454 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:25,920 block of five Chucker Jordan Crawford forgotten, Hm, forgotten. That's a good 1455 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,640 one. Let's see. I think it's too hard already. Do you want 1456 01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,079 to know what mine was when I wrote this down? Yeah, Hollis Thompson. 1457 01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:38,800 I don't know why, but I'm gonna say Mark Jackson, but not 1458 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,079 Warriors coach Mark Jackson, the other Mark Jackson who also played for the Warriors. 1459 01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:45,039 I think he went to Temple. He had a ton of rebounds, 1460 01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,439 and everybody always said he was the other Mark Jackson. So it's like his 1461 01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:57,920 whole deal is he's forgotten. Ahead of schedule. Chet Holmgren behind schedule. 1462 01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,640 Oh god, that's a better one. Hold on, I gotta have a 1463 01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,760 I know there's a good one for this, Like who just doesn't develop like 1464 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:12,199 we want him to? Is there someone you're thinking of? Yeah? Behind 1465 01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:20,640 schedule? Mine's R. J. Barrett. What I'm curious, Uh? 1466 01:33:21,359 --> 01:33:26,359 What, like? What was your schedule for him? Just you thought you 1467 01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,239 thought by now he'd be what? So like if I could draw a map 1468 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,159 of like the trajectory of what I was with R. J. Barrett. 1469 01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:42,039 It was, Oh, I'll just stay close to home. Jonathan Kuminga is 1470 01:33:42,119 --> 01:33:45,520 behind schedule and threatening to just not have a schedule for his career. James 1471 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:50,119 Wiseman, Well, I mean he never really like started. Yo, who 1472 01:33:50,119 --> 01:33:54,279 I'm scared is gonna end up in his block? Hey Cunningham. But I'm 1473 01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:57,159 not there yet. I think he's gonna be fine. I think there is 1474 01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,840 some reasonable concern. Well you know what, though, is there? Because 1475 01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,960 no way better. He's gonna be fine. He's gonna be fine. But 1476 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:08,680 as a number one pick, I don't think I'm not gonna I'm less convinced 1477 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,520 than ever that he's like gonna be a transformative like top option guy, which 1478 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,960 was like kind of the rap, right, don't you remember? It's like 1479 01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:17,199 he might be Chris Middleton like that. You couldn't talk about him without saying 1480 01:34:17,239 --> 01:34:23,960 Chris Middleton, Uh, well are you good for another block? Always unguardable. 1481 01:34:25,279 --> 01:34:29,239 James Harden's MVP season just couldn't do it. What could you do with 1482 01:34:29,319 --> 01:34:31,479 him? He was making threes or getting fouled. Do you remember that? 1483 01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:35,000 Remember that was a whole thing all year of just like yeah, the foul 1484 01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:43,479 drifting was off the charts. Travel James Harden's MVP season right, the invention 1485 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,560 of the step back. For me, it's Corey mcgetty because there's a clip 1486 01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,840 of him traveling like eight times in one play. It's in standard definition. 1487 01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:53,640 I think I've mentioned it on Discord before and people knew what I was talking 1488 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,159 about. It's like one of the best. He literally is like eight travels 1489 01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:04,960 in like one possession by him. Flop Marcus Smart, charge m Jalen Williams 1490 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:12,159 from Arkansas, bust Oh, James Wiseman. We already said, James, 1491 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,640 sorry, man, it was just that you put it in my mind. 1492 01:35:15,039 --> 01:35:17,720 I have three more blocks. Let me do one more. There's two that 1493 01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:23,960 I really want to get to. All right, let's do this one. 1494 01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:30,039 Uh screen assist Oh, Rudy Gobert because the Jazz guys would just never shut 1495 01:35:30,119 --> 01:35:36,239 up about that when he was there. Nutmeg ooh, I mean one of 1496 01:35:36,319 --> 01:35:42,079 my favorite plays in basketball. Like, I think I have to say Ginobili 1497 01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:45,840 because he had a couple of incredible dribble nutmegs and pass nutmegs. Somebody just 1498 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,680 did it. I think Shrewder, Dennis Shruder just nutmegged Kevin Durant on a 1499 01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:54,800 breakaway like within the last week or so. Uh, and got siakam dunk. 1500 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,920 I think this is I think looking in net it would be tray Young 1501 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,960 for me. But the one that's just like the most recent ingrained into my 1502 01:36:01,039 --> 01:36:04,439 mind is when Wemby did it to think it was Reggie Bullock. Oh yeah, 1503 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,960 that was absurd. Yeah, that was amazing. I love the nutmeg 1504 01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:13,000 is great. I don't care. Do you prefer the dribble like going up 1505 01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:15,840 the sideline, like dribble through the guy's legs, run out, come back 1506 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,520 in, or do you like the like the like the past to the cutter 1507 01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,720 nutmeg pass? Uh? I think the I think the second one is harder, 1508 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,800 so I prefer that one. Yeah. I think sometimes when the second 1509 01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,600 one makes it through, it's almost an accident, you know, they're just 1510 01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,720 throwing it at the Yeah. Like if you see the Durant one, the 1511 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:35,199 shrewder through Durant's legs, Like, I can't believe Shrewder could time that out 1512 01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:39,880 that well. But the dribble is like always intentional. So that's that's a 1513 01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:46,159 that's a cool one second round exit. Hmm. I just want to say 1514 01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:49,880 the Clippers, and that might be like historically unfair, but I imagine they 1515 01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:53,800 got a fair number of second round exits. Who's like the most. I 1516 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,199 mean the Sixers, right, the Sixers, this team second round exit? 1517 01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:06,000 Yeah, hot seat. Oh there's no, there's no wrong answers. But 1518 01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:09,760 I said Tom Thibodeau not because I think he's on the hot seat, but 1519 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,920 because I feel like he's been on it a lot of times. Uh So, 1520 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:18,399 if you're going for right now, oh man, who's I mean Billy 1521 01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,640 Donovan? This is Billy Well, he just got a didn't he just get 1522 01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:25,760 a new deal that the Bulls were like mad leaked or something. Yep, 1523 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:33,239 Monty Williams. They're gonna Williams like ninety million left on his deal. Yeah, 1524 01:37:33,279 --> 01:37:39,920 that's tough. I'm sure I forgot his eyes cold west Unzel Junior. 1525 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,760 I just don't see him being with the Wizards beyond this season. It's probably 1526 01:37:44,319 --> 01:37:45,960 yeah. I mean, like I just don't know who the coach is for 1527 01:37:46,079 --> 01:37:48,800 that team. But yeah, I'm wondering after some of the lineups he's running 1528 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:53,800 out if Pop might be a well, yeah, he's just kind of messing 1529 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:58,079 around. I Also, I feel like the right answer might be, but 1530 01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:01,319 I ultimately they're gonna be fi as JB. Bicker Staff. Yeah, this 1531 01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,840 would have to persist for like it, we'd have to get to like the 1532 01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,640 trade deadline and the Cabs would have to be like a five hundred team for 1533 01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,039 that to happen. But like, I don't think. I don't think is 1534 01:38:12,079 --> 01:38:15,119 there anybody that is like the JB. Bicker Staff's a top ten coach. 1535 01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:18,439 I don't think anybody thinks that right, Like that's I'm sure there's somebody who 1536 01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:23,199 thinks. Well, maybe I don't, but if you had some form of 1537 01:38:23,279 --> 01:38:26,439 consensus, I don't think he's up there. This is my favorite one to 1538 01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:32,680 finish his block six of nineteen ooh uh, that feels like a Trey Young 1539 01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,800 line to me. I'm gonna say, Tray Young, I think you just 1540 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:39,760 said him. Okay, So I'm not gonna lie and people are gonna be 1541 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:45,479 so Trey Young is. He is tied for nineteenth all time in the most 1542 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,920 six of nineteen games, pretty good with six. So mine actually ended up 1543 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:54,279 being tied for third because it was Kobe, which is the first one. 1544 01:38:54,319 --> 01:38:59,560 I thought. Carmelo has got some six in nineteen's, so the leader all 1545 01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,359 time in six of nineteen games stands alone. Damian Lillard with twelve. Wow, 1546 01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:10,439 Bracy McGrady is second with ten. Kobe and Vince Carter are our third 1547 01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,079 with nine. And then you said mellow has to have a few of these 1548 01:39:15,079 --> 01:39:17,720 because you got to be He's not. So this is exact. He is 1549 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,720 not in the top I just went through the top two hundred. I'll scroll 1550 01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,720 through the next page. But he has so he has two or fewer of 1551 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,279 those games. So that's a that's an interesting because you've got to be a 1552 01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:31,920 really good player to have a lot of six and nineteen games, because you've 1553 01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,159 been allowed to have that many six and nineteen games over a long period. 1554 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,960 Had two, So wh's is like he's tied with like a million other people 1555 01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:42,840 for whatever. Hard But that was my I was just like, what the 1556 01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:46,520 dame had the most? Twelve? Yeah, that's it's harder too. Was 1557 01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:51,279 a little bit surprising as well. Yeah, okay, that's what you're really 1558 01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:55,640 expanding the horizons of of what word association could be. That you're the one 1559 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,239 that you created a monster. I'm just trying to like, I got two 1560 01:39:58,279 --> 01:40:01,560 more blocks, but let's save those all right. Uh, let's see this 1561 01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:06,279 is a new bit. We're gonna try it out. Is it fake? 1562 01:40:06,399 --> 01:40:11,199 Kevin Durant tweets that I pass off? No? No, I just don't 1563 01:40:11,239 --> 01:40:15,279 know how this will work. Well, you know what? Whatever? So 1564 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:20,000 Dan, these players have all played for two specific teams in their careers, 1565 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:26,199 all right, So I'm gonna start naming these players. All of them have 1566 01:40:26,279 --> 01:40:29,039 played for two teams. They've all played for like some of them played for 1567 01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:31,520 many more teams. But these these players all have the same two teams, 1568 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,600 two teams in common. Okay, okay, And I'm gonna see how many 1569 01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:40,560 names I have to name before you guess the two teams. We'll just see 1570 01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:45,479 how it goes, all right. The first one is Lou Williams, the 1571 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:53,880 second one is Matt Barnes. The third one Clippers. Is one team, 1572 01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,880 but you gotta name the two teams. Lou Williams he's been. He was 1573 01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,199 around the block. I don't think Matt Barnes was ever? Uh was he? 1574 01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:04,239 No? Keep going, I can keep going, keep going, lamar 1575 01:41:04,319 --> 01:41:10,920 odom what the oh? The Lakers, my god, Lakers and Clippers. 1576 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,920 Good, you got it. In three. I had also had Rondo Montrez, 1577 01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,239 Harrald, Russell Westbrook and I would assume that if I said it Vita 1578 01:41:17,319 --> 01:41:19,680 Zoobots, because it's the only two teams he's played for, you would have 1579 01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:27,119 got trade all right. Next, next set of players that have played for 1580 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:32,960 these two teams, Matt Barnes again, another appearance, Baron Davis, the 1581 01:41:33,039 --> 01:41:38,399 Warriors. Well, but you gotta tell me the other team, and oh 1582 01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:44,760 all right, well the Warriors, and well you have is Matt Barnes and 1583 01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:50,399 Baron Davis so far Yves incorrect. Jamal Crawford the Hall, No, don't 1584 01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:56,800 know, Jamal Crawford the Knicks. I don't remember that at all. I 1585 01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,560 think it was like one year. Latrell sprete Well was next, Amy lynnon 1586 01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,600 after that, David Lee after that. You would have got it all right. 1587 01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:14,000 Last one Shane Battier, Trevor Ariza play for everybody. Oh my god, 1588 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:24,239 rockets and Grizzlies. No rockets and heat. Correct, Gordon was on 1589 01:42:24,319 --> 01:42:28,359 the heat damn it. Yeah. Arisa's there's like Barnes. Barnes is someone 1590 01:42:28,399 --> 01:42:31,319 you can throw out there for a million teams, and like Arisa is another 1591 01:42:31,399 --> 01:42:34,039 guy like that. Lou Williams is another guy. That's why I like to 1592 01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:38,520 start with them. And we gotta fine tune it so I don't start it 1593 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,920 quite so easy. But all right, good job, I have some more 1594 01:42:42,039 --> 01:42:45,880 draft stuff I have. Okay, real quick, this is kind of fun. 1595 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:51,640 That's all fun. Fun. For which twenty sixteen prospect did friend of 1596 01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:56,840 the Program, Friend of us in real life, Adam Frammell choose the pro 1597 01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:02,680 comparison of Victor Oladipo, John Say Murray, Torrian Prince, Malik Beasley or 1598 01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:11,079 Jamal Murray. Ooh, Jamal Murray, Malik Beasley, Torrian Prince. And 1599 01:43:11,159 --> 01:43:15,840 who is the other one? Uh de Jontay Murray. I got to Murray's 1600 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:25,199 in there. I'm going to say Jamal Murray close to Jontay Murray. That 1601 01:43:25,319 --> 01:43:30,319 was Comps are so hard, like like when I compare Justin Patton to a 1602 01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:34,680 bouncy your christopsports. Yeah, well so I got a few more of these. 1603 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:42,640 But like it really when you see someone in a in a draft scouting 1604 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,399 report that like nails a comp, it's just like you need to do a 1605 01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:50,680 standing ovation because like it's so impossible. Yeah, you're always just shoehorning, 1606 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:55,119 and like, well he does this one thing like a guy I know that's 1607 01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:59,680 established. I'll just say him okay. Uh. Who's twenty seventeen scouting report 1608 01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:04,399 had quote has the potential to be the best passer in the NBA, Markel 1609 01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:14,520 Foltz, Lonzo Ball, Juwan Evans or Dearn Fox has the Is this another 1610 01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,359 Adam frammell one? No it is not. I forget where I found this 1611 01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,439 one. Juwan Evans just because it seems like such. No, that is 1612 01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:24,239 that's a total red hearing. It's Lonzo Ball. Oh that was like the 1613 01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:29,439 okay, Yeah, I gave you one with that should be the answer you 1614 01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,800 want. I got two more scouting Oh wait, one more scouting report. 1615 01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:38,399 Uh, we have to do this one. Who's twenty seventeen again? Same 1616 01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:43,960 class scouting report included quote A defensive stopper at the point guard spot with excellent 1617 01:44:44,079 --> 01:44:48,520 feel, but his rawness leaves his upside a complete mystery. Dennis Smith Junior, 1618 01:44:49,159 --> 01:44:56,880 Derek White, Frank Nilakina or Frank Mason. Can you read the scouting 1619 01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,800 report again? I would love to a defensive at the point guard spot with 1620 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:05,439 excellent feel, but his rawness leaves his upside Frank And was that a damn 1621 01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:09,960 FA Valley special? No, it wasn't. It is Franknill Aquina, But 1622 01:45:10,079 --> 01:45:13,720 it was not. It was not your analysis. Did you ever read it 1623 01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,239 again to like see if it would like crystallize in your brain? Like I 1624 01:45:16,319 --> 01:45:19,680 wrote that, I mentioned something where I basically said, what if Avery Bradley 1625 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:25,199 could dribble and was a superstars? How I compared FRANKL. Aquino. See 1626 01:45:25,279 --> 01:45:29,239 sometimes scouter reports are just on point. I had a note in here. 1627 01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:33,119 Can we talk about the twenty seventeen draft, by the way, just as 1628 01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:39,399 a refresher, So folts Ball and Josh Jackson are three of the top four 1629 01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:43,920 picks, all of which we'd say did not work out like varying levels of 1630 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,319 bust, I guess, But in this draft, in no particular order, 1631 01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:53,720 you have Jason Tatum, you have Darren Fox, you have Lauri Markinen. 1632 01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,560 That's three all NBA guys already. You have Donovan Mitchell and Bam, you 1633 01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,279 have og, you have Jared Allen, you have Derek White, and that's 1634 01:46:00,359 --> 01:46:04,720 just like the first tier. Also in this draft, John Isaac Zach Collins, 1635 01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:10,439 Malik monk Luke Kennard, John Collins, Kuzma, Hart Hartenstein, Dylan 1636 01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:14,720 Brooks, Monte Morris. Twenty seventeen was stacked. There's like fuck twenty plus, 1637 01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:19,039 like legit, NBA players, we should rank every single draft class since 1638 01:46:19,079 --> 01:46:23,520 like the Kobe Draft or something one day. How long do you think that 1639 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:27,079 would take us? I mean during the lockout, I think I redrafted like 1640 01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:30,960 every single draft class for work. So that was also like twelve years, 1641 01:46:31,359 --> 01:46:34,760 not the not the lockout, I mean the pandemic. I was about to 1642 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:39,600 say, like you have a twelve draft, you got No, I'm getting 1643 01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:42,960 loopy. What we should do is some redrafts at some point, like twenty 1644 01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,680 seventeen would be nuts there, I mean, just do that randomly. Yeah, 1645 01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,479 let's just do it. You go Tatum first, but after that would 1646 01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:53,960 be a fun live episode. Just redraft it. Yeah, we should have 1647 01:46:54,039 --> 01:46:58,560 to draft it. But like you're building a team like with positions and you 1648 01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,960 can only use one draft class. I love it. Let's think about doing 1649 01:47:02,039 --> 01:47:08,199 that. Okay, Uh, that's a listeners let us know if and watchers 1650 01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:09,640 let us know. We should do that. All right, So I have 1651 01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:14,199 two more things I could do for you there. It's basically it's two separate 1652 01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,479 things. And there's seven questions on one and ten questions on the other. 1653 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:21,840 So they're very quick. Okay, which NBA player has more games in which 1654 01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,920 they shot one hundred percent from the floor on a minimum of five field goal 1655 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:33,640 attempts. Rudy Gobert or DeAndre Jordan DeAndre Jordan that is correct. Forty seven 1656 01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:41,640 to thirty not even clothes, Tyson Chandler or Clint Cappella Chandler that is correct 1657 01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:45,079 again, twenty six to eighteen. Wilt Chamberlain or Dwight Howard, Oh, 1658 01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:53,319 Dwight that is incorrect. Will Chamberlain twenty Dwight Howard sixteen, Andre Drummond or 1659 01:47:53,399 --> 01:48:00,560 Walker Kessler. Kessler, Drummond takes some bad shots. Kesslerready has nine to 1660 01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,079 Drummonds eight. That was a dumb guess. By the way, I have 1661 01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:05,600 one year to pull from. For Kessler, I got away with it. 1662 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:14,680 Kareem abdul Jabbar or Shaquille O'Neal Oh, I'll say shack. It's a trick 1663 01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,000 question. They're tied at seven apiece. I just wanting to make sure you 1664 01:48:16,039 --> 01:48:23,760 got one wrong. Diabolical, Charles Barkley or Steve Nash Ooh, Barkley, 1665 01:48:24,359 --> 01:48:28,680 Nope, incorrect, Steve Nash six Barkley four tough. And finally, Larry 1666 01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,479 Nance Junior or on Yaka kung Wu. I thought you were gonna say, 1667 01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:36,359 Larry Nance Senior A kong Wu that is correct, nine to eight. It's 1668 01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:41,119 impressive on a Kungoo's part. That's a lot of so these guys. Those 1669 01:48:41,159 --> 01:48:45,039 are one hundred percent field goal percentages with at least five attempts correct. That 1670 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,000 seems really rare. All right, good one? Uh yeah, I mean 1671 01:48:47,319 --> 01:48:50,319 DeAndre Jordan has the most all time. That's forty seven, and I think 1672 01:48:50,399 --> 01:48:55,319 Rudy Gobert is second with thirty. I think I still have the tab open. 1673 01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:58,920 I do not, But all right, last one, this is you're 1674 01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:00,960 gonna make people angry esecially if I cut this up. Oh boy, so 1675 01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:05,199 I'm gonna cut it up. Which NBA player would you rather have for the 1676 01:49:05,279 --> 01:49:14,439 next three years? Scottie Barnes or Tyrese Maxey, Tyre's Maxey, Anthony Edwards 1677 01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:18,159 or Tyrese Haliburton. Oh man, this is the wrong time to ask me 1678 01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:21,840 this. Uh give me, give me Tyreus Haliburton. I regret not that. 1679 01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:29,199 Luka Doncic or shake Yilch Alexander. I got I gotta take Luca. 1680 01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:40,279 I hate it, LaMelo Ball or Key Cunningham kid ooh okay og Ananobi or 1681 01:49:40,319 --> 01:49:48,239 Pascal siakam og Wow, Devin Vessel or Franz Wagner. That's a really good 1682 01:49:48,279 --> 01:49:54,479 one. I think I have to go Wagner. Okay, Devin Booker or 1683 01:49:54,520 --> 01:50:00,319 Jason Tatum. I wish I could remember offhand how much younger Tatum. I'm 1684 01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:05,720 gonna go Tatum, he's only nineteen. Demontes a bonus or Alpern Shangoon, 1685 01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:14,600 Alprin Shangoon, that's wow. Herb Jones or Jayden McDaniels. Give me, 1686 01:50:15,239 --> 01:50:17,600 give me Herb Jones. I think there might be some on ball stuff that 1687 01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,880 he hasn't unlocked yet. I don't know if it's just a matter of the 1688 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:24,560 Pelicans letting him do it, and that's why where Jane McDaniels is out. 1689 01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,520 But I agree with you. Okay, the final one, I'm not gonna 1690 01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:31,399 lie. This is my favorite. Josh Giddy or Asar Thompson, Asar Thompson. 1691 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:35,199 That's that's an easy one for me. Wow, were any of those 1692 01:50:35,399 --> 01:50:39,079 good? Were they too easy? Oh? No? Like the Tatum, 1693 01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:43,560 Booker and I mean Luca and SGA, Like those early ones were impossible, 1694 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,640 Like I could just talk myself into SGA right now, Like it wouldn't be 1695 01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:50,720 that hard. I think I might go SGA because of the defense. Isn't 1696 01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:56,079 that wild? Like could you? I can't imagine if like a year ago 1697 01:50:56,119 --> 01:50:59,319 at this time, you would have taken almost anybody over Luca. I guess 1698 01:50:59,319 --> 01:51:02,479 I would read so throw contracts out the window. I would just be curious. 1699 01:51:03,079 --> 01:51:06,000 They're on the trade market and either I want to make clear another who 1700 01:51:06,079 --> 01:51:10,319 gets more in a trade, which is kind of like the same thing of 1701 01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:15,680 saying who's better. But yeah, I think a team might view shay As 1702 01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,840 more plug and play because we've seen him play off of all these other guys 1703 01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,800 before and the defense that's gonna make him the more valuable trade asset, even 1704 01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:28,239 if you don't think he's the better player. So I think I think Lucas 1705 01:51:28,319 --> 01:51:33,640 still would get a bigger return, if only because maybe this is just projecting, 1706 01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:39,279 but like I kind of think people there are more people that think Luca 1707 01:51:39,399 --> 01:51:43,840 has like an an untapped level than feel that way about SGA. Maybe, 1708 01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,600 like I think, yeah, maybe that's again I'm maybe projecting, because I 1709 01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,720 think I kind of think that whereas like there's stuff that there's stuff that Luca 1710 01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:55,600 could get better at, but whereas SGA is like this, I can't imagine 1711 01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:58,560 how SGA could be better at anything, Like he's just so good right now. 1712 01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,199 Luca just has that like, well, what if he defends finally or 1713 01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:05,239 what if he you know, I don't know that. There's there's no science 1714 01:52:05,319 --> 01:52:10,359 to that one. We said this podcast wasn't gonna last two hours, and 1715 01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:14,880 we worked correct. It lasted about a buck fifty five or whatever. It's 1716 01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,680 so you should hurry, that's what you're saying. You want to take us. 1717 01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,840 I actually I'm trying to do math because we're recording this like on top 1718 01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:25,079 of each other. But uh oh no, no, we're closer to ninety 1719 01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:30,319 minutes on this than two hours. Yeah, we've been recording for four hours, 1720 01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:31,760 though we've been with each other for four hours. We spend four hours 1721 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,920 a week together outside of like you know, face to face to face, 1722 01:52:35,359 --> 01:52:39,000 and we just do it all in a big block. And so then I 1723 01:52:39,159 --> 01:52:42,279 like don't even want to think about you for like the next several days, 1724 01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,199 just because I'm invariably gonna be spamming you with the short that I put up, 1725 01:52:46,399 --> 01:52:51,159 the social media quip that I treasure our talks, Like I just I'm 1726 01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:55,279 not sure there's someone else in my life that I talked to for such an 1727 01:52:55,319 --> 01:53:00,920 extended period of time at a regular interval, I talk to you aside from 1728 01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,479 my wife. I think I might talk to you more than anybody else right 1729 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,680 now, because like we've conversed on weekend, like we have collabse with work, 1730 01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:14,239 we have the podcast to plan around. I'm curious about Bert. I 1731 01:53:14,399 --> 01:53:17,600 was thinking the other day, we're not getting another dog, but wouldn't it 1732 01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,680 be awesome to have Burt and Ernie if you got a second dog, Like 1733 01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:26,439 I just I think you should get another dog or like some other pet. 1734 01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,159 But then they're not Yeah, it's not what are you gonna get? I 1735 01:53:29,159 --> 01:53:30,600 would have to be like what is he gonna play with? And be cool? 1736 01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:32,960 Like I guess you get a fish and name it Ernie, just like 1737 01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:35,960 get it done. But like you're not gonna get like a pet duck. 1738 01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:40,319 No, I don't think I'm gonna get a duck dan, probably not. 1739 01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:45,520 I will say I liked the idea of getting two because then they would always 1740 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:47,560 have each other. But now or at the point where we might get three, 1741 01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:51,239 Because pets, I love them to death. But speaking of death, 1742 01:53:51,239 --> 01:53:55,199 they're so temporary that now, we don't want one to ever be alone. 1743 01:53:55,239 --> 01:53:59,439 They're four years old. Grant, Yeah, you're we're gonna end up getting 1744 01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:01,880 a third and maybe even I love dogs. You're gonna have a hundred pets. 1745 01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,000 You're gonna be the crazy pet guy that gets old that. I don't 1746 01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:09,119 know if we're gonna have kids, So it wouldn't shock me if we and 1747 01:54:09,239 --> 01:54:12,039 we have already decided, Like I say, I don't want to go through 1748 01:54:12,039 --> 01:54:14,800 a pregnancy. My wife absolutely does not want to go through pregnancy. I 1749 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,279 can't. I cannot help anyone who doesn't want to carry a child, because 1750 01:54:17,279 --> 01:54:23,399 that feels like it just rex sounds hard. It seems like people don't like 1751 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:28,560 it that people do it and then do it again. Yeah, like watching 1752 01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:30,520 the Pistons at this point, like why am I doing this multiple times? 1753 01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:35,720 That is the perfect analogy for pregnancy. I'm pretty sure it hurts more watching 1754 01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:40,159 the pisons are pregnancy. That's not fair pregnancy. Just like I'm sorry, 1755 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:44,920 women built different. That's just how did we get here. We're trying to 1756 01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,239 get out quickly. We went from Bert. Yeah, I don't know pets, 1757 01:54:48,319 --> 01:54:53,319 pets did it all right? I will. I will put a merciful 1758 01:54:53,399 --> 01:54:57,319 into this one. Thank you again everyone for listening, watching, participating, 1759 01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:00,119 rating, and reviewing, subscribing. If you don't do any of the those 1760 01:55:00,119 --> 01:55:03,359 things, please do them wherever you get your podcasts. Leave positive comments, 1761 01:55:03,399 --> 01:55:06,560 positive reviews, give us up votes, no down votes, give us as 1762 01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:11,399 many stars as possible, help us grow, help us broaden the audience. 1763 01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,880 That will just make the product better. And that would just be a cool 1764 01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,479 thing because we spend a lot of time on this and we like doing it. 1765 01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:23,319 Let's see tell friends, tell enemies. Check out our discord and check 1766 01:55:23,359 --> 01:55:27,119 out some of our merch information on how to do both those things in the 1767 01:55:27,239 --> 01:55:30,680 YouTube podcast subscription. Follow us on our socials. I think that covers it. 1768 01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:34,239 We close as always would they shout out to warn't only Frank mel Keina. 1769 01:55:34,279 --> 01:55:38,880 We've got to mention today a good deal and an apology to Jared down