What is Kraft the Black and fellow Simon deer A efforts. I am a
Dana Valley coming at you as always with my certified fantabulous thirdmone who Queer af
co host mister Grant Hughes. Today we are going to be talking about NBA
teams who are one player away from being a legitimate inner circle title contender.
Doesn't necessarily have to be a one player who's not on their team. It
could be a reasonable developmental leap, but we wanted to dig into that.
We'll dig into our actual inner circle of these teams are title contenders right now.
It'll be a fun discussion. As a brief note at the top,
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I'm excited to do this because, well, for one, I had a
really hard time deciding what the inner circle of uh, like you know true
blue note questions asked title contenders should be like what what is that threshold?
Because it's not saying you know, title favorite is hard enough. But then
if it's like how who who are we kicking out? So I guess like
we may as well just start there. And I think we should just do
this by consensus, and I could be talked into or out of this this
group here, So I think it's fair to say we agree on like Boston
is in this group, and we will not be saying they're won anything away
Denver diddo. After that, do you have I mean, where do we
go over? Those are for sure? Those are for sure, and they
could tech they might just be in their own tier. Maybe I do think
there are two I have two other do I have three other teams. I
have three other teams. Okay, Milwaukee's one of them, right, Yeah.
I really do believe that the defenses can be obviously concerning, especially in
transition. But we talked about this. You dig into the line of bait
or their most important players, they can get the job done on the court
defensively for the most part in those minutes. It would be nice if they
could go out. I think if you were gonna say, and this is
and this will tie into how we define one player away, I would view
the Bucks if you say they're one player away, I view that player as
a reacquisition of Javon Carter or getting Tory Craig. I don't consider that to
be in the spirit of the definition of one player away. No, like,
because we're not We're not saying any of these teams that are in the
inner circle are perfect or like don't have needs. Would be very easy to
say, well, the Bucks need a big wing defender that can close games,
like easy, that's that's a thing they need. But we're saying,
I mean, if you had to give them something, but we're not saying
that's necessary for them to be They're already good enough. Right, Like,
so, yeah, everybody needs something, but like this is there's a glaring
issue or or you know, roster spot or whatever that is preventing teams from
being like, yeah, that's a title threat, you know, in a
in a real way. So Milwaukee I have also, So that's Boston,
Denver, Milwaukee. Do you have? I have one more non negotiable non
negotiable? Okay, who is it? Well, I'm everything's negotiable because it's
you and I like to know, but I like that you feel strongly.
It's Minnesota. Okay. I also have Minnesota without a question mark next to
them. Okay, so those are like the four and it's just Minnesota is
the top eight of their rotation. There's things, Yes, could they use
someone who's just higher volume in shooting or a backup point guard? I mean,
but they are. I mean, if they have Javon Carter, I
might just pick them to win the title. That's not actually true. I
would pick the Nuggets, but you get you guts like it's it's the Milwaukee
level of that. So even if you don't have them in the realm of
Boston Denver, that's like one A, one B. They're still in my
inner circle. I do have a fifth team here that is very much negotiable
because we are at the quarter pole and it's there are real issues that we've
seen from this team, and I think we can all sort of guess what
it is, and it's the It's the Phoenix Suns. And I don't know
if you have them as a candidate to be thrown in here, do you
view them as one player away? What is that one player away? And
are so very quickly The things that concerned me helped with this team, the
turnovers. I thought Devin Booker was gonna stabilize it a lot more than he
has. Maybe the return of Bradley Beal does, But even after that,
you know, you start to dig into this again, we're at the quarter
pole. They've dealt with injuries, Devin Booker has missed a ton of time.
The fact that they're sixteenth in defense, it almost feels like incredible.
I would think you look at the personnel and I would I would think that
they would be even lower than that. And they've had to do a lot
of this on the fly shifting. When you look at who's been a part
of their contingency rotation, Well, we'll try out in Oslittle and Joshua Koge
He's gonna play. And use of Nurkic, by the way, is just
he's had really good moments and really low moments. He has been all over
the place this season from what I've seen of him, and so I had
them in my inner circle entering the season. I am more confident in all
four of those other teams that I am in Phoenix right now because of the
factors that I saw. The big ones for me are the turnovers, the
health, and then just like you kind of mentioned this, it's the center
play. The backup center play gets really dicey. Yeah. So I initially
had Phoenix on my inner circle list, but I had a bracketed question mark
next to them, and I was just like, it didn't it wasn't sure.
I think I think we've sort of you kind of hit on why they're
in this gray area because like, the top end talent is there, They've
got you know, Eric, They've got enough support pieces, but there are
just like it's I feel like they're closer to Milwaukee where we agree there are
some issues that they could use some help on than they are to say,
like you know, most of these other teams we're going to talk about where
it's like, yeah, there's an obvious thing, right, but to me
it is it is just the Nurkic spot really like and I think maybe I'm
just kind of some recency bias just because against the Lakers, where you know,
he had his moments. I'm talking about the ist game. By the
time this airs, it will be much earlier in the week where he just
he can't finish inside. I looked it up the other he's shooting worse on
twoes than he ever has in his career, and he's had bad two point
finishing in general. He is not taking shots that he should be and he's
like gumming up the offense because he's just passing up close range you know,
what should be little dump ins and he just can't elevate. So, like,
I can imagine a scenario where if the Suns are trying to win a
title and they're playing a really good team in the playoffs, that we're having
to play four of them, Like Rkic is someone that's just gonna be kind
of exposed, and you can't have a starting center that you probably can't close
with. And because he can't finish he's not gonna stretch the floor, and
defensively, he's not super helpful. So like that's the spot, And which
is wild to say that that's the spot because this team doesn't have a point
guard, you know, like there's if anything, if we're gonna knock Phoenix
out of the inner circle, it's because like they kind of actually need one
or two things maybe you know what I mean. Like, and that's that's
what I struggle with, because I was going through names that they could feasibly
get. It's seconds, and like they do have some salaries with Nosleto and
Grace and Allen. You could step out of your way, move one of
them and get somebody. But I started doing the exercise of excuse me.
If you gave them Javon Carter, that's apparently a name that's gonna come up
a bunch. I guess that's probably gonna be a very game manager type,
but it definitely would inoculate some of their defensive concerns that they have. And
look, they're sixteenth and they're allowing the right kinds of shots. For sure,
they probably got a little bit lucky on opponent three point shooting. I
think they're eighth in three point defense. They might if they're a league average
defensive team and they've yet to get Bradley Beal back, who I don't think
is gonna improve their defense, but I do think he will stabilize the offense
to some degree. I think you can argue, yes, it's on that
level of move, but you hit it on the head where it's well,
it might be two things where it's no, they don't need a point guard,
but they do need someone who slots in to that perimeter most spot of
the rotation, even if it's just defensively, or you can trust them to
knock down a three more than you can trust Jordan Goodwin to do so.
And then it's the backup big thing. It's clearly not gonna be you Banks,
is it gonna be, Well, let's go small. And so that's
where the fact that they need two things. I had them in my inner
circle coming into this, and I'm kind of just been like, well,
like, maybe they are just one player away, but the question here,
and it would be fair or slot them there anyway. The one player away
might be on the roster in Bradley Beal. He doesn't fix everything they need.
But if your argument is they have all the star power. It's gonna
work. The an argument, and it's just it's not just fair, it's
factual. He's played three times. We haven't seen the big three together,
so they need that player. They need to see what that looks like before
we can even decide. Maybe they actually don't need a point guard. Maybe
it's just sort of changing up the big man rotation. I think that's right.
I think had he been there all season, we might be sitting here
well, not having this discussion, but saying like, yeah, they're not
perfect, but man like, I just don't know what you do with those
three guys because you know that this they'd be you know, sixteen and three
or something right now because they just have bet the best offense in the league,
and all those other little like the fact that Nurkic isn't great and they
don't have a point guard like might not matter, or we'd over we'd be
more apt to overlook it. I think if bial had been there all year
and they just you know, won a handful more games, so I think
I think I'm okay with them as an inner circle team. But I feel
I feel less confident obviously about them than the other four by a lot,
which like, good job Minnesota for just that we don't we just popped your
right in there and you belong now. So I mean, but I have
no and everyone what about injuries, and it's just they're doing there. They've
lost Jane McDaniels for a crap ton of time, and they're just it's they're
real. It's if anyone doesn't think they're for real. I understand some skepticism
where maybe if you want to say they're not Inner circle, but like,
what is the thing that they need? And we know there are may be
two things. The backup point guard is more three point volume. But it's
just if you put Javon Carter on this team, like they probably they might
be my second most intriguing team to win the title at that point. Well,
like they you know, it is fair to note that they are distinct
from the other teams here, like Phoenix we've kind of put in its own
little like I don't know one a but like Boston's been in the finals and
always makes the conference finals. The Bucks have a title, the Nuggets have
a title. Minnesota doesn't. But it's like, well, this team has
existed in its current form since like October, so like they they don't have
the opportunity. They're they're approve it team. I guess in ways those other
ones aren't. But that's that's, you know, not to say they aren't
in this in this tier. We said, we get into names more at
the end of the exercise. But is there a type of big that you're
sort of thinking that Phoenix needs, Like what is that? Because there's names
that there's a bunch of different names. Just before there's Chris Bouchet who all
just mentioned all the times I still love him. There's Andre Drummond. If
the Bulls really decide to blow it up, like, there's a range of
different options. There's a bunch of different type of there's a bunch of different
archetypes they could tilt towards. Yeah, I think, I mean, you
always want to scut like Bouchet would be interesting because maybe you can go five
out and then I just don't know how you guard this team. Although then
again, it's like, you know, it's not like Durant and Booker necessarily
are real rim pressure guys. They're going to get to their spots and shoot,
so you don't necessarily need that kind of shooting. I think I don't
have a name in mind, but maybe maybe just someone like just a lob
threat, like a big athletic lob threat that is gonna be able to just
throw down, you know, the offensive rebounds and is gonna be able to
catch on the move and just dunk. Like I don't know who that like
that, who you're getting for the minimum that that could do that? Like
you probably aren't, but like I don't know, Paul Paul Reid would be
fine or like not that he's available. I'm just trying to think of guys
that can move a little bit, that can put pressure on the rim.
I don't know, make Richards available. I don't give me any of the
Charlottes again, Richards, Mark Williams. That's fine. Go for Williams,
that's go find Kai Jones again. Let's see where he's at. I mean,
like, go ahead, oh go ahead. I was gonna just move
on to the next team. I was gonna keep talking about Ki Jones.
So it's much better that we move on. Who is your So we kind
of have the Sons as like a half player away or something that who is
your first? This team is one player away. I mean, I guess
what you're asking is like, who's the next tier down? You know,
title contention wise, in't it? I guess I feel most comfortable with the
Sixers there, But that's in a group of like three or four other teams
that are kind of in the same We'll do it that way. So it's
if we have Tier one is Denver, Minnesota, Boston, Milwaukee, and
you could break up tire one if you want, but that's Tier one,
yeah, youer two. We're just saying, is Phoenix on its own in
its own tierrio? We don't know what to do with it? So Tier
three? What teams belong in there? You start starts off with Philadelphia,
which I would agree that I could almost be third Knights, where I could
be talked into saying, no, they belong ahead of the Suns. But
at least in yet they could be in the Suns tier right, at least
at the very least today we could put them in the Sun. There's no
Tier one point five type thing. It would be Phoenix is in this is
tier two rather than Tier three. So just well before we let's just talk
about the Sixers here, because I don't have it divide it up specifically into
tears. I just got a kind of a loose list that I could kind
of cobble it together if we're gonna divide them. I think for me,
the Sixers need someone that I that you can trust defensively on the wing,
like a little more than Ubre who's just now back, who can have who's
you know, kind of is a chaos creator, but maybe isn't the most
solid defender. And then you have like Nick Batoum and Covington. If you
could like make Jaden's talking about development, make Jaden's springer like, you know,
fifteen percent larger, like, then that's that's the type of player I
want, I think, uh I because like you know, obviously Max e
Embiid Harris is a fine supplementary scorer. We love d Anthony Melton again stretch
d Anthony meultain to be like six seven or six eight. And that's that's
the player that I would really want at that small forward spot that you could
just throw at the you know, Tatum or and or Brown or whatever and
feel confident if you're a you know, because if you're gonna be a title
threat, like that's a that is a puzzle you have to solve is what
do you do with Boston for example? So I think that's an issue for
the Sixers. I'd like to see them kind of one player away fix.
Yeah, and it's they have the assets to go get that player. It's
just which player is going to become available. When you're talking about it feels
like you're describing with the Sixers a higher end player than we were talking about
with Phoenix or even Minnesota. If you were going to loop them into there.
That becomes an issue then of accessibility because the trademark is so weird.
I know a lot of people want to see Zach Lavine in Philadelphia. He
doesn't fit any of the boxes that you just described, and just Tyre's Maxi
and Levine in the backcourt doesn't do it for me. The Siakam fit with
him bid He also does not fit what you're describing, and og hadn't always
been mentioned to no En. I almost just have him unless you're gonna give
up like four real first round picks for him or something. I just don't
think the Rappers are gonna trade him. And then it's like Okay, well
who yeah, and no end by the way, you're not giving up for
first, for someone that can hit free agency, like especially if you're the
Sixers that has had some issues with communication with soon to be free agents,
so I would not feel great about that. But yeah, this is always
a struggle for me. Specifically you're better at this than I am. But
just like, well, then who, I don't know, I just know
what the problem is. I don't have a solution. Does Jeremy Grant do
anything for you? Not? This version of Jeremy Grant. I don't think
he's the defender that you know he initially made his reputation as and like that's
a lot of money to pay for someone that is kind of just coming in
to fill the gap. You know what about lou Dort, that's interesting because
I think, do you like him better on like wing like bigger wings than
Melton? I think I probably do because you can just get underneath him,
and and then like Melton could be more because lou Dowrt feels like more of
the on ball chaos creator and then DF Melton can do more stuff away from
the balls. Playing those two together, holy shit, Yeah, you're just
like I guess Dort really can guard up like better than Melton probably, although
Melton's kind of sneaky long I still, yeah, I don't know what the
the player type just is like og Anobi or like is what it is,
you know what I mean, We're gonna go through the same names, but
like if you said, like Dallas Mavericks Dorian Finney Smith, like it might
be that, like something like that, or like former Miami Heat Slash current
Dallas Mavericks Reclamation Project Derek Jones Junior, like someone who's been a lot better
lately than he's I mean, than he has been the last couple of years.
But I like, you know, optimal version of Dorian Phinney Smith is
probably a more realistic stand in for Ananobi, who is just not going to
go anywhere. Probably he is. He just not good enough to fit this.
The DeAndre Hunter, that's I like, the that size of player,
right, like the big like the true combo forward, you know, even
like Tobias Harris is kind of like the buy and large really good. Yeah,
sure, but I don't want him. I don't love him on you
know, you have to guard Jason Tatum and then Anthony Edwards in the finals
or something. I guess Melton probably would get him, but yeah, and
when this is the player you need, you almost feel more than one player
away because of how hard I mean, mckal bridges would be great. He
slipped defensively since he's been in Brooklyn, but he does so much more offensively.
It's like if you put him on Philly, that'd be great. They're
not gonna move McHale Bridges. And so when you're when you're in the market
for this type of player, like even you know there are some teams have
I guess there's not a top, like they have an embarrassment of wings and
is it you know, are you gonna want a reunion with matist Thaibel after
moving him already? No, the Pelicans aren't really in the market to move
any of their wings. It doesn't feel like right now. So it's just
like even ough the okay, see Orlando doesn't have any real like true wings
to spare or I don't know why they would be looking to move Gary Harrison
in the first place. He's also not the player that you just described for
them. Uh, the Spurs don't have anyone saying like they're not gonna move
Devin Miselle, who's poison pill Kelson. Johnson is not that guy, it's
just so hard to find. Memphis just doesn't have wings still for all this
time. Honestly, that's pretty impressive. By the way. Okay, here's
a name. Here's a name. I don't really even know what the framework
of this deal would look like. What if they were just looking to get
off his money and there was a deal to we made where they were gonna
get expiring money back from the Sixers Andrew Williams. I mean that is the
player type or like, you know, not this year Andrew Wiggins, which
which we will talk about when we get to Golden State. But yeah,
like that, I mean I keep talking about can you guard Jason Tatum like
Wiggins check the box? He did it like that for a minute. Yeah
that is that is uh, that is what you need. Yeah, Andrew
Wiggins would be. But like so, if you're the Sixers, you're giving
Golden State, like, I don't know you have does Harris have to be
in this deal? Well they have all They have the Marcus Smart salary to
use as a way to step ladder their way there. Uh so they have
I don't think you need to buy it. Well, because Wiggins is making
what twenty seven what is he at it sounds right. Andrew Wiggins is at
twenty four pointy three, which is even easier. So Philly has I mean,
first of all, Tobias Harus makes fifteen million dollars more than that you
have. I don't know that you want to give up any of these guys,
but if if in theory, if it was like a protected first and
you're getting Marcus Morris's money, and then they also have like Roco but to
Melton Paul Reid for Concord Mas is expiring, that's five million, So you
could do Marcus Morris and for con Cork Mas, I don't know what it'd
just be the warrior saying we're getting out of the Andrew wis yeah business essentially,
I don't think they would, but yeah, that's a good pull.
Wiggins is someone that I mean and like he might become more available than you
know, it's kind of we haven't really ever talked about him as a trade
candidate for a while because it's so integral to the theory of Golden State.
But yeah, that's another that's another one of one of the very few,
like true three and D role playing wings that can do a little more than
that. If you need them to score of things. Yeah, all right,
you want to move on from the sixers. Do you have another team
in this in this group or in this in this Uh, I don't know
on your list that's close to them. Yeah, it's so this is I
don't know what to do with them because I'm so high on them that I
didn't necessarily consider putting them in my inner circle. I think you can make
a case that this team is not that if they're one player away, it's
just that player being available, and it's the New Orleans Pelicans, and you
look get all the different ways they're built to play. We already mentioned on
the previous podcast the numbers where they're going small with Zion. When Trey Murphy's
on the court, they've been absolutely destroying opponents. Such a small sample size,
you can't read too much into it. There are problems with this team
where it's you look at them and it's what we'd like to have players on
the court who can subsidize higher three point volume and accuracy. But that also
might just be Trey Murphy. In this year's version of CJ McCollum and a
version of Brandon Ingram that is going to be willing to take more three pointers,
and then it's well, what about a friendlier center to play next to
Zion and or a guy who's gonna defend Biggs. It's like, well,
they have Herban Dyson if they want to downside for that. Jonah Valentunis.
We've talked a lot about whether in the past whether they should move not.
This year, Yonah Salaunis has kind of played his way into the territory of
unless you were gonna go get Brook Lopez and Miles Turner, it's Yonahs sala
Chunis just belongs on your team, and so it's okay, Well they have
Larry Nance. I think they need more of a proven, sizeable rim protector
that is not going to be Larry Nance, who's also just never healthy.
I'll throw Chris Bouschet's name out here. He might be somebody. He's been
shooting in limited minutes and unlimited vlume like the three fel for him this year,
and he's still someone who in theory can give you just some rim protection
juice. Is he big enough though he's not the biggest player either. Is
it that level of player or do they need There's been I've seen people want
to consolidate into zach Lvine, which I just don't. You have brandon Ingram,
And I know zach Lvine is a better off ball fit, but brandon
Ingram has a higher defensive gear and I think he's because we've seen it.
He's just more gonna be more valuable in big games with the way that he
plays. It might not always be intertwined cohesively with the way Zion Williamson plays,
but brandon Ingram can get you these frum scratch buckets from tough shots,
tough spots against set defenses. And you can sort of say the same about
zach Lvine, but we haven't necessarily seen zach Lvine in these higher leverage games.
We've seen brand Ingram more higher leverage games than zach Lvine. At this
point, do you think it's outdated to say that I still want a like
a switchable floor stretching big like that still is just like the healthy Larry Nance
that's a real threat to shoot it. Like if that's that still feels like
the one player to me, although because as you think about the Pelicans,
like clearly their most fun lineup to me is C. J. McCollum,
Herb Jones, Ingram Zion, and Trey Murphy and just like figure out how
you're gonna guard because that I mean everyone besides Herb Jones. We know what
he's gonna do, but figure out the rest of it. And then that
team offensively is just like unstoppable, it seems like to me, So like
I guess you so whoever they go and get, Like I still think that's
probably that's the five I like the most. I don't have no idea what
the numbers are for that team. You're saying, would they it's and that's
what's interesting is that would be do they need to acquire someone who cracks Let's
say they're closing five or their best five? Right, Well, so like
the problem with that lineup is like there's there's a lot of places to attack,
and it's gonna be like very few defenders there are capable against like one
position, let alone several and and so I just want to five that can
that can move around on the perimeter if he has to, if you can
defend the rim awsome, Like I just this is such a crazy Like this
is again like I guess it's like Brook Lopez, but he can move like
That's what I'm asking for here. That just still feels like to truly unlock
the best offensive version of this team. It still feels like you want to
be five out as often as you possibly can, and then you want to
also be able to have someone that can kind of put fires out when McCollum
gets beat or can't guard his matchup, or same for Zion or same for
you know whatever, like even Ingram, you know, dies on every screen
that's ever been set on him, Like someone that can navigate that a little
better, just to just to keep the offense, you know, at its
peak potential, and then also just be sort of a a monkey wrench like
on defense, where he could just like we'll fix that, we'll fix that,
like that, that type of defensive player. I will say, I
am more comfortable, and I don't know if this person would then crack their
closing lineup or this type of player, just because of what Zion's able to
do in confine spaces, and then some of the outlets they have at full
strength with Trey Murphy, with CJ. McCollum, even with Brandon Ingram,
if you loop him into there, I don't know that they the next big
that they yet needs to be a floor spacer. If it was Nick Claxton,
I would love him on this team. You talk about switchable and give
me some reproduction. I did think, again, this isn't someone who cracked
their closing lineup, which maybe would speak to why we have the Pelicans here
and we're having this discussion Zach Collins. If the Spurs were willing to move
off of him, I don't know if they they would be. That's and
he does stretch the floor. Is he gonna be the one guarding five?
But if you're playing him with Herb and maybe Dyson's in those combinations with Zion,
there's just a bunch of different stuff that someone you could do there,
like Mo Wagner, like, I don't know, you get the defense there,
but he plays with such a crazy motor and he's shot the hell out
of it this year. I mean, if you're looking for although I don't
think Orlando's gonna move him, just you know, oh yeah, if you
were gonna get in Orlando Big Wendell, perfect, yeah, sure, or
even Isaac like Isaac's not gonna give you the spacing. But if you're talking
about someone that'll put out fires, everywhere. That's your guy, him and
Herb Jones on the floor at the same time. That would be just unholy.
He might not be fivey enough and his team's not gonna trade him,
So it's kind of like nas Reed would be perfect for this team. Yeah,
Chet Holme grin do you think do you think they move him all?
Right? Do you so? My final question on the Pelicans is just there's
been some rickety stuff with them. They're not as good in the transition defense
as they was as they were in you know, the past couple of years.
We'll see how it comes together. If their personnel is just generally more
available. Is it outside the realm of possibility to say, if they stay
healthy, this team comes out of the Western Conference, Because even if we're
saying there won't, we're not. Even The issue with the conversation ever with
them is we're not. There's maybe been one Did we even mention one player
for real? Chet Holmgren, obviously, but like in all with all sincerity,
that would crack their closing lineup because then we're just mentioning at ssstibly not
regular season innings eaters, but first thirty eight minutes of a game. And
if we're saying that's what they need. Then our issue isn't necessarily the Pelicans
makeup. It's are they going to be healthy enough, are they deep enough
with the skill set? Because the top end of their roster is good enough
to be a contender, it is not beyond the realm of possibility at all.
I mean they you know, we keep referring to it, but they've
had flashes where like when they have all their guys, they're way up there
in the West, and so like it's difficult to sort of because then you're
asking, like, well, how did they beat the Nuggets or or you
know, one or two other teams that might be up there, and so
the answers I don't know. But like they they definitely have They have the
talent, they have the depth, They have so many pieces. That's why
it's so interesting to talk about this team as a trade team, because they've
got enough. You know, they're a perfect like two for one or three
for one trade team because they have again I keep exaggerating, with like a
dozen guys that I like like out on the floor for various reasons. But
yeah, I think you're right, Like, it's it's an interesting position to
be in where you're saying, like, unless you're really going for it with
a trade, the guys that are gonna matter in the most important minutes are
kind of already there. It's just what's the combination and how how can they
all get on the floor. I will say they would be one of the
three to four five teams that I think could And I'm curious. I'm actually
throwing this out there, so I won't know if you think he would make
a big enough difference. They are one of the I would say, even
I don't know how many teams could make this other team think about it.
They would be a team that has an offer they could give to Toronto that
I think makes Toronto think about moving og Anaobi just because the think that's redundant
with having Herb Jones and Trey Murphy or is it og can really defend fives
as well? And so you have og and Herb and Trey Murphy and Zion
and then pick you want Brandon Ingram done, you want DJ, you want
Jose Alvarado in that lineup, I don't care. It'll work. Yeah,
I don't think Anonobi is redundant with anybody. I think so I think I
think you just throw him out there, and it's like, who a guy
that can guard every position and make open threes? Like, that's not really
that's that's not redundant. I guess, provided you have one or two other
players on the floor that make it so Ananob doesn't have to create offense,
Like, as long as he's in a position where he doesn't have to do
what he's not good at, he just yeah, that'd be phenomenal. And
yeah, so they could put pieces on the table and some picks and stuff
and at least for sure, and it's not gonna cost you Herb or Tramer.
And also, if you're getting at my issue with Anonobe is because there's
the lack of creation there. But there's also okay, what is his three
point volume actually gonna look like? Because he's not he's sort of in between
Trey Murphy and Herb Jones on the level of shooter. M M yeah,
I mean he's closer to Murphy than Jones, right, I mean, just
he's not in the volume but in percentage for sure. And then it's okay,
well, then how do we round out the fifth member of that unit?
Though? Is it? Do we need bretand Ingram, who's not super
high volume from three but he can create. And then they're CJ. McCollum,
who is doing better with his volume from three and he can kind of
create, but he's gonna probably look a lot worse on defense. Do you
care about that? He's not as good as a passer as Brandon Ingram at
this stage either. Probably, So I think that's a good conundrum to be
in. But you would have to be sure. They might just say,
well, we have They wouldn't say this, like we have og Ananobe minus
shooting at home with Dyson Daniels, and like minus shooting is a pretty big
deal to say that. So that's just a name where it feels like an
embarrassment of riches. But because of his defensive spectrum, like how he can
guard up and down the spectrum, it actually isn't redundant on this team.
No, I don't think that. Yeah, again, I think he fits
everywhere. So you gave New Orleans, I got a couple week could go
to tell me which one we should hit first here, because there's a handful
of teams I think that are still in the neighborhood here. You got Golden
State, OKC and then Cleveland. Oh yeah, all right, let's go
to Golden State. Okay, you're backyard. So for me and like quietly,
they can put together trade packages because you've got Chris Paul's deal. If
you want to get crazy, you've got Wiggins, I think would be like
a valuable piece of trade. You've got Moody Kaminga, You've got a couple.
What did you just say? What? What team out there views Andrew
Wiggins's contract? Isn't that positive? Now? And I'm gonna do think so?
He he put together an incredible run that helped them win championship that remains
to this day, including last season, including the beginning of a stint with
the Warriors. That is the exception to every single other season of his career.
And I know last year his down season consisted of shooting a trillion percent
from three anyway, and we still see flashes and gears when he applies himself
on the glass, when he applies himself on the defensive end. I just
do you want Andrew Wiggins at twenty five million dollars a year for the next
Does he have three years left after this? I don't know, Oh that
I do? You don't want a guy that makes who tops out at eighteen
and a half percent of the cap next year, for that's twenty six point
three million dollars. Who that'll be his age twenty nine season. Like I
get it, Like he's been terrible this year across the board and has not
touched that fine that postseason run or really the finals since then. I guess
my issue. My issue is it feels like there will be a wholesale discrepancy
between how the Warriors value Andrew Wiggins in trade talks and how whatever his next
team is to where whether it's they're trying to acquire a bigger name player or
just get off his money, they're gonna think that Andrew Wiggins is an asset.
I don't think his team necessarily they might view him as an asset,
but it's well, we'll give you a protected first for him, or if
they're trying to get Pascal Siakam, for example. I don't think the Raptors
gonna be like, yo, Andrew Wiggins like the equivalent of a pick and
a half to us. You know, you're absolutely right, the war he
is more valuable and they view him as such to the Warriors than another team
like just cause. So that actually gets to what I want to point to
is like I don't think the Warriors are one player away in the conventional sense.
They're just like they need a handful of guys to play better like that
have played better very recently. So this is like we haven't really done this
yet on any of these teams. But this is like the organic growth team.
And it's not like you need the twenty two year old to be ready,
although that sort of is the case for Kaminga. It's more just like,
can Klay Thompson just stop taking the worst twenty percent of his shot?
Diet just don't shoot those shots? And can Wiggins rebound consistently? He has
had moments lately, like Wiggins has looked better, but he's still been just
a massively damaging player on the whole. Like he just he isn't this bad,
Like that's just not there's nobody is this bad really, So it's a
little bit of a cop out, but I think, like you just,
you know, we what did we last week? We went through the the
on off stuff, and like there are so many guys with positive on off
differentials that are bench players and the starters who were great last year and have
been great forever. Just are awful. So it's just kind of like to
and that lineup. By the way, opponents are shooting forty eight percent from
three against them. That's that's coming. They're gonna be better. Like already,
the net rating is down, as you know it was like naked.
It's like minus eight point three instead of minus eighteen point Yeah, I was
in the twenties like for a minute there, So do you disagree, Like
it's an organic It's like, let this will sort itself or it won't.
This will sort itself out or it won't because for what you pointed out,
like the trade route, I just think the Warriors are kind of at a
low leverage position with respect to like how valuable their players are gonna be viewed.
My thoughts on this would be twofold, is that as currently constructed,
there's no banking on this sorting itself out to the point where they're contender.
Well, they got to go through it's Minnesota, it's Denver, it's Phoenix,
it's we just talked about New Orleans. We're gonna talk about okay,
see in a second. So it's not gonna sort itself out. Maybe the
starting lineup does, but all they're not going to be a contender. It's
currently constructed. I struggle to kind of identify their primary need. And if
their primary need is this bigger wing who can also create, because they still
lack the secondary creation, that's a super start. Yeah, and there's nobody
out there like that, and it's it's Ogn, Like you would need Ogn
Andobi and Pascal Siatum to kind of join forces into one player for that name
to be available. At least as of now, we don't know who could
still become available. What I do think bodes well for them or doesn't bode
well that maybe it doesn't bode well is they're only built to pull off a
mega trade because you can't trade a core player just for like an also ran
return. And it's because some of the salaries are so huge, Well,
then you're gonna have to step up and just acquire this other expensive player.
Do they have the gall to do that? And I think it. I
would be fairly surprised at this point if Jonathan Cominga's on the team past the
trade deadline. Interesting, but like you, they're not gonna trade Draymond,
and I don't think they should you don't trade Steph and they should be murdered
if they do. They probably, if we're cold callous business perspective, they
probably should trade Clay aspiring contract. That's a good anchor they're not going to
So that leaves Andrew Wiggins. I'm gonna argue right now, you shouldn't trade
because some of your problems right now are size, rebounding, wing defense,
and athleticism. Athletics. Yeah, and it's okay, how are you getting
better? Especially if you trade Wiggins and Jonathan kaminga? How are you upgrading
at that spot? So you almost need to keep Wiggins. And then that's
on top of that, we just have a discussion your other teams aren't gonna
value It's it's sort of like at this point, Julius Randall with the Knicks,
he's so much more valuable to them than any of the other teams in
the league. And he's probably the same with Andrew Wiggins. And so you're
like, okay, well then it's Chris Paul and cominga And do we even
want to give up Pods who if we're moving Paul, we kind of need
Pods who's been playing well all of a sudden, do we want to move
Moody if we're not getting back Yeah, if you're getting back oh Jannaoby,
Sure, you're probably not gonna be getting Ojiannaoby. But if you do picks
Chris Paul to first Chris Paul and Kaminga, I think that get you into
any higher end discussions that you want it to. As the baseline, my
question to you is do they have the gall to do that in the middle
of the season. I don't even the urge. I don't think so.
I think I think if they're looking at it, they're they're gonna say what
I just said, which is like, if we are going to panic,
it will be because we don't believe this. Our veteran starters are going to
figure it out because that's been the problem like that group. So like that's
gonna be a hard place to get to, especially for this team because like
think about so you kind of outline it, but like, let's trade Andrew
Wiggins. What do we need? We need the guy that Andrew Wiggins used
to be or it is supposed to be a little bit better than that.
Yeah, we need it, we need we need we need the good version
of Andrew Wiggins. So let's trade the bad one for that, And it's
like, well, okay, what else, Well, we need a shooting
guard that can hold up defensively and make a lot of open shots. Like
okay, so let's trade Klay Thompson for who Klay Thompson sort of used to
be and who we still think I'm saying the Warriors do think can be like
close enough to that to not matter. So it's just like they're you know,
if it's an individual player or if it's just sort of holistically, the
Warriors are gonna look at a lot of these trades and say, I mean,
if if we do this, we're gonna be giving up assets to sort
of like get guys that we think we actually already have. You know.
But I guess if you get through another couple of months of this and it
becomes very clear that the guys you need to improve just aren't gonna then maybe
that calculus changes. But then those guys' value also goes down too. So
like and that's true for Kaminga too. If Kaminga continues to just you know,
make mistakes and not be a regular to the extent he a lot of
people wanted to be in the rotation, then his value goes down to like
the only thing that stays steady I think is like the value of Chris Paul's
contract because of the non guarantee. Like that's just that's just a number,
I think to most teams. So but otherwise, like things will depreciate if
this goes bad and then you can't really trade, and then the Warriors view
it as like, why are we going to make moves to just sort of
get back different versions of what we think we already have? You know,
Not that that's like the right way to think about it, but I think
that's how they will think about it. Can we talk about the Cavs?
Yes? Are you confused? Because I am. I'm confused too, And
I just don't think we've seen enough. And they look pretty good against the
Magic and I think Darius Carman's going to figure out the turnover stuff. I'm
still incredibly high on Mobi. I just don't My thoughts on them are by
fast forward a couple of weeks, they'll be closer to the situation that Phoenix
is in for us right now, where it's they need such a small piece
or like a medium sized piece that could they be closer to the inner circle
than the outer circle of contenders type deal. I still firmably believe they have
that ceiling. That being said, I would love and this is just we've
seen so little of them at full strength. Still, I would love for
them to get somebody who makes the one big lineups not just more feasible,
but more tantalizing to get to. And so it's like it doesn't need to
be. I'm not not gonna say, oh g Anobia promised, except we
got to make a rule. We can't say him anymore. But like Dorianfinny
Smith, if Isaaca Corro's on the table, does that in seconds and getting
to the money, if that doesn't work, does that do anything? I
don't know if the nets would, even though they might have better offers,
if they can get a true blue first for Dorian Finney Smith and so like
if Doriyanfinny Smith, if that, if that's too high of a ceiling on
a trade acquisition, well then who are we talking about? Because Max Shrews,
I think has done a lot of good things for them. I still
believe her in the Garland Mitchell back court, I know the Mobile and Allen
front court can work. I still don't think it's postseason proof, and I
didn't. Defensively, it really never has. Like offensively, it is just
not good enough. I think that if you're gonna say it can't work,
that's the reason. But I to your you know, continue no, I
mean, and that's just where I'm at. It's I think they need the
player to make and it's not George Niang to me, like in the regular
season, for sure. We've talked a lot about this in our discord.
He doesn't move particularly fast, but the team moves incredibly fast when he's on
the court, and so he's super fun, kind of herky, jerky and
valuable to watch. He's not and we saw this in Philly. He's not
I hate phrasing it like this, but he's not a sixteen game player.
And so it's just how do you go out and get that guy? And
who is that guy? If if I mean Drinan Phinney Smith, I don't
think he's going to help you on the you know, the rebounding front in
those situations. But what are you, like, is there a name?
This is I've tried to wrap my very much, so it has to be
like kind of on the lower end because the Cats need to have the assets
to go out and get them. I still think Isaaca Korr is a relatively
interesting player before he was injured to shooting the ball well from three. We
know what he does defensively, so maybe the Cams don't even want to give
him up just because of the player they think he could be. I just
don't know if offensively he's ever gonna be. And he can find some seams
when they're spacing to move off the ball, I don't know if he's ever
gonna be a sixteen game offensive player. Is a fair I think it's a
fair question to ask. Yeah, no, I think that's right. I
so my the way, I don't I'll get to some names, I guess
in a minute here. But like my thought on the Caves was sort of
similar, which is like, well, maybe what they need is really to
just have Mobiley play center, like and just that means Jared Allen goes somewhere
else because that is I think. I think, certainly for a for a
while, that was the sort of ultimate theory of the team, like optimal
version of the Calves. Mobley's the center, he's the team's best player,
blah blah, blah. I think that's less popular now just because there's a
perception that Mobiley has not developed like quite the way you'd want him to.
But I feel like that's mostly offensively. So I'm I'm like on board with
the idea of if you're gonna make a bigger change, it involves moving Allen
for like a you know the type of player you're talking a combo like a
four or something like that with some heft like a I don't know, like
a older a younger version of PJ. Tucker or like the prime version of
J Crowder or something with someone like that that could play the four. Like
maybe how about this? What if how do you feel about Marcus Smart full
time power forward for the Cavs? And oh my god, because then he
can go guard whoever Mitchell and Garland can't. Like that's a factor. I
have one trade here, and I don't want to make people angry Jared Allen
for Nick Richards and PJ. Washington. Oh, you're gonna make Cavs fans
angry. I think with that one, Nick Richards and PJ Washington. So
Nick Richards, are you starting Nick Richards? I would start PJ. Washington.
I guess you're worried about your rebounding already. What does that look like
you're worried about does the rim protection sort of translate? I think because PJ.
Washington can hold up on the perimeter more, it might allow Mobley to
do some more traditional big stuff on offense. But that's like, is that
not enough for Jared Allen? I mean, and obviously the Hornets have Mark
Williams. I mean, do you go Mark Williams and uh J Washington for
Jared out? Is that too egregious? Mark Williams is kind of I think
they're just asking him do too much this year. I don't know, I'm
intrigued. So like some of the numbers with Mobiley as the center, so
Allen is necessarily off the floor here just for some proof of concept the offense
sucks. They're in like the twenty second percentile of the lineups with Mobley at
center this year, eighty seven percentile on defense, and like that's gonna be
That's good enough for me, because if you're gonna throw another shooter out there
and assume like Mobiley, and because most some of those lineups have had Niang
and some of them just had guys at the four that are not super threatening,
like Washington at the four. With Mobile at center, I think you
get a little more offensive oomph. And last year Mobile at center lineups were
like way better just across the board on both ends, but still defensively oriented,
mostly ninety third percentile on defense. So I think I think we have
some information that like you could just move Mobley to the five and you get
a little more offensive juice there, and suddenly the Cavs are a very different
team, but maybe more danger I don't know, like that's I think the
primary issue is that just all feels too seismic for them to do in the
middle of the season, where if they're gonna make any type of decision like
that, this is a theoretical exercise. I think we both agree it's just
like, don't do anything. The calves are gonna be good. Right if
we had to just give a suggestion, that's where we're both at. But
right, or it's can you turn like like using the smaller contracts that you
have Dean Wade, Ricky Rubio, who does that get you? Like you
could get Chris Bouche without just mentioning for everyone? Apparently? Does that you
remember how for the longest time, all of the Cavs' best lineups were just
Dean wide at the three. It's so clear over those tiny samples that was
always the answer, and he just could never stay healthy. He's back,
he played played tonight. Actually, so maybe maybe d You know what,
the Calves are one player away and that player is Dean waived. That's that's
all there is to it. They, you know, would be interesting on
this team. The Andrew Wiggins reunion. It's not him at the four.
Yeah right, I'm I'm man. The Jared Allen for Andrew Wiggins challenge trade.
I don't that doesn't even work. I don't think I uh it might
work money wise, I'm not sure, but you could not that Cav's team
is not getting a single rebound. That's that's rough. Well, there will
be nights where they does it matter. Do you know what they're rebounding percentages
when they have Mobili and Allen on the court. I'll tell you right now
twenty nine point two, which is in the thirty first percent tile that's not
great. I understand what Mobli does defensively, and then I understand the reality
of how many of those minutes come with Max Struce Dot. I almost said
Davion Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garnald, that just is fucking weird.
Man. Well, maybe Davion Mitchell is the answer. Get him in there.
The Kings don't use him anymore. Guards almost It's almost like I loved
it. We were so wrong about Jared Allen. We've been fully, We've
admitted that ten times over. It's if they're gonna go the mobile at the
four rounds and then do you just need a big with more heft next to
him, yeah, or a spacer. It's just unless mobiley's gonna be able
to shoot it, you need one of those two things I think next to
you. Do you think that then you could go the route of it's kind
of a center, so you're not you're it is. Look, it's Chris
Bruschet, it's Zach Collins. It's kind of a center. Who wouldn't need
to start? Wouldn't course cost Jared Allen. Do you think that materially makes
this team materially better? Well, I don't know if that's it makes them
different. I don't know if it's better. Bottom line right, like that's
the new is always better. Kelly linok, let's throw another like he can
pass a little bit too, that that might be helpful to that team.
So yeah, I don't know advocating for trading Jared down. It was just
that they went the nuclear route. It was kind of before Perl was in
Toronto. My favorite fake trade you ever came up with was Jared Allen for
Ojiananobi last year. I found that so interesting. I remember that one.
That's the rare trade propills that I do. Remember you want to do another
team here? Should we do the thunder? We? I think we mentioned
them, both of us have a couple of times. Do we think that
maybe my camera will durn back on what we Thunderlook, there it goes.
I don't need to see you, I can I just I can just read
your tone at this point. So look, I'll start over in case I
caught this up. Let's talk about the thundered grant. What do you think
they need? I think chet Holmgren is really great U and I love him
a lot as a player and a prospect. Did you know the smallest side
Did you know Alpern Shangun is younger than chet Holmgren. That blew my mind
today. I did not know that. I did not know that, nor
would I have guessed that the thundernead. I think you can go a couple
ways here. You can go with the they got to figure out how to
actually can go three ways. One is you got to figure out how to
get some heft on the floor in the middle to shore up your rebounding protect
the rim like that, so just Holmegren doesn't get put in the basket by
some of the bigger centers, and just so your defensive integrity is not built
on taking charges and turnovers and like that kind of thing. That's one way.
The other way is like do we just improve on the Josh Giddy spot.
We've talked about it, like the he's just like, you don't need
a guy who's best with the ball in his hands when you have shake Gill
just Alexander, Like that's just And what you do need is someone who's gonna
force defenders to guard him on the perimeter so that SGA has more rooms to
operate like so, and that ain't that's just not Giddy. So those are
my two sort of one or I don't know. I guess I'm pointing out
flaws, like we can continue to talk about like how to address those,
but like, those are my spots I'm focusing on. If I'm saying the
thunderneath this and then they're kind of they're in the inner circle, you know,
would be an interesting Well, well, no this is not. It's
not really an interest because you said, helf Nick Claxton will look pretty good
on this team, but then you're just your rail thin on the front line.
But that would be Josh Getty for Nick Claxton, and stuff would be
if the nets we're gonna give you picks so you can't sell that low on
Giddy. I think he still has value. I would trade Josh Getty for
Nick Claxton so fast? Are you kidding me? Holy fuck? Like I'm
not, Yeah, I can't. I I don't think the thunderkneed do improve.
The answer of the Thunder is I have them and the Pelicans as just
the not we already talked about the Sun. They're in kind of a different
category the teams. We mentioned that they might just have the guys on this
team right get older. The one player away for them is if we develop
if his jumpers better, if he can at least stabilize some of the units
without needing to have Shay or j dub on the court. Do you know
what, He's not on the market right now. But this is the team
I wanted to bring up to talk about just because I'm confused by them and
they're good, but I don't see the pathway that them getting a lot better.
But like they could make an offer where it's getting Mitchell Robinson and having
him on your team. And that's someone who doesn't need to close games if
you don't want to. But he can play next to Chet Holmgren. He's
gonna fix your rebounding issues at both ends of the floor. He doesn't look
super hefty, but he has he just like diamond sized shoulders. Yeah,
he will throw guys around. He's not the most versatile when it comes to
certain coverages. He will get not shredded, but your defense will be the
disadvantage when they're stretched big. But you have so much perimeter fire, including
Shay this year, by the way, who look yo, Kitch is the
MVP for me sort of running away right now. You're gonna be hard pressed
to argue for someone other than Shay at number two for me at the moment.
Yeah, talk about inner circle, like he is in the MVP inner
circle. There you go, Uh, who's one player who's one circle away
from being in the MVP in their circle? Even so, that would be
a name, And it's just the Knicks are not looking to move Mitchell Robinson,
so we need to come up with a better name. H r W
three if he was healthy, would have been interesting. That's just the Yeah,
I love that interesting. I wonder if it can it be this small?
Are you ready? Let's all brace ourselves Daniel Gafford. I mean because
the point is like the absolute best version of the Thunder in a playoff series
like Holmegruns a five, like right, because like that's just that has to
be how it is. So like I so your question is like is it
too small? But like maybe not, because you don't need gafferd. You
need Gafford to be like more of we've used the term already, like an
innings eater and like a matchup specific piece you can throw out there because they
the Thunder just like don't have that guy and you know, like other Arkansas
Jalen Williams, it makes the most of what he has, like for his
size, but he's just he's always gonna be at a disadvantage, and like
doesn't give you a ton more than just using like I don't name the wing
you know on the roster that could play that spot if you have him out
there next to Homeroom, which they sort of never do. Yeah, I
think someone like that Drummond we've already said, just like I don't know,
just a maybe Drummonds like a little too unathletic. I think Gafford, you
know, get up for lobs a little better still something like that. Yeah,
I don't I kind of like the Gafford move, or yeah, call
Charlotte again, see if you can, you know, Nick Richards, whatever,
just just get a body there with understanding that he will not be in
your closing five. Almost so I guess there's well, there's three names because
I have to mention him for every team. Chris Bouchet. Yeah, but
if I mean, I wouldn't not just not not hefty enough, I ever
saying if they tore it down, would yaka pertl work for this team?
That's interesting? Do you think my answer would be I would want to know
what it costs to get him, But they gave up a top six protected
first to get him. I'm not matching that no if I'm okay, no,
I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't love that. I've
envisioning like more athleticism. I guess, okay, So I'm gonna go center
hefty adjacent here with a couple of names. Could this be a Paschal Siakam
team Josh Giddy's going out in that deal? So yeah, I kind of
like, well, I kind of like it because you're the Kumbacha girl meme.
You're like, I can't. Well, my first reaction is I do
kind of like it because it's if he's replacing Giddy. You're saying like,
well, you just need to be more of a perimeter threat than Giddy,
which he is. Like I think you know Giddy can Giddy can put the
ball on the floor. Yeah, I don't know. I think Sam is
a downhill attacker. I guess my main my main concern would be like,
are you putting Siakam into a role that's like it's almost like what's the point
of it even being Sam because you're not gonna ask him to do like all
star stuff necessarily because that'll be SGA number one. I think Williams will have
the ball a lot more because he's more of a playmaker than siakam Is.
And then Chet, God knowes, Like I don't know what Chet's like usage
ultimately needs to be because like maybe he should just the answer is he should
always just have it more and shoot more. So it's like, if that's
siakam is your I don't know the guy who's getting the fourth touch on every
possession, Like does it need to be? Is it that much of an
upgrade? Like does that make total sense? But then you get a lot
more athletic, you get lengthy, that's kind of fun, and you're so
you're closing five? Then is Shay Dort j Dubbsham Chet, Yeah, I
mean it's pretty nasty. It's better. It's it's a lets scarier than having
Giddy as the fifth guy, right, or I mean even Cason Wallace for
now, First of all, caseon Wallace, there will be no even indirect
slander of case He. I guess the rebounding here, But the hef I
thought Xavier Tillman for a little bit, I'm already off that. The other
name I thought of, we already mentioned him this again is center helf Todjacent.
Does PJ. Washington do enough like if it's I don't know, if
that called, I probably wouldn't give up Giddy for that. I don't know
why Charlotte necessarily want him if they didn't want Scoot next to LaMelo U.
But PJ watching Chet Holman is like kind of an interesting fri PJ watch his
real strength, but it's not going to redefine your rebounding, So I don't
I don't love that. I liked it actually, ironically a lot more before
I saw a Chet on the court. And Chet's better than I expected,
So maybe I feel I have no doubt he could fit with him. I
just don't know if that's enough braun upfront between them. Yeah, it's tough
to find. It's it's isn't it funny that like now it's kind of hard
to find like athletic dunk only centers that that you would actually want to have
on the floor. There used to be just you know, oh, there's
Damian Jones, and there's like there's a million Damien Jones is out there,
and gafferd is kind of in that mold, and it's harder to find those
guys now because the way the game has changed, Like they're just you know,
other than Charlotte who has kind of two of them, and Richard's and
Mark Williams. Like, there's not a lot of teams carrying extra you know,
seven foot guys that could can you know, dominate physically. Those guys
aren't around, no, And it's just I mean, even just trying to
go through like Wendell Carter Junior would be great for them, but the Magic
aren't gonna trade Wendell Carter Junior because he's great there. I mean, would
taking the I mean, you have the Damas Breton salary, so it's kind
of low risk at this point, and Orlando has had him close at the
five this year. Does Jonathan Isaac do it for you at all? He's
always gonna be interesting, right, Like that's I think him. Him and
Akong Wu a Kong was a different player, but I like, I was
trying to think of other teams they had. Well, we've got a couple
centers, we can send you one. A cong Wu is not the type
of player I was talking about, but I do kind of I'm intrigued by
the fit of him and Ched Holmgrent together just because in theory you get some
of the mobility and shop blocking and stuff from a cong Wu and Homewern can
kind of be more of a rover, which I think, you know what,
that's what you want him to be, like in the Celtics Robert Williams
the third mold of where he's just hanging out and then swoops in and block
shots and stuff. Yeah, I don't I'm running out of names for them.
I don't look it's it can I think they can run the gamut of
well, maybe it is higher end if they wanted to just sniff around Siakam,
if it's just gonna cost, if it's giddy salary picks so you're not
touching your core, they could sniff around that. But they could also be
like, well, like if Nick Claxton's available, or if we just want
to roll the dice on freaking Zach Collin is not hefty enough. But you
catch my drift there. Yeah, hey, Jazz, you want like three
first rounders for Walker Kessler? We don't care. We have a million of
them. Like, just what about Larry Marketing on this team? Is he
Larry Marketing? And hope you're more fun than Zach than than Siakam. I
think just because of the shooting, we're more fun for sure. I don't
know their evens would still be fine, But is it doing what you want
up front for them? No, I'm just enjoying. I still do it.
I mean the Josh. They have Kiante George, but they probably could
be pretty interested in Josh Giddy. And it's like, sure Lowry's an All
Star, but is here core player there? Because you're gonna be extension eligible,
you have to start thinking about that. I mean, not the team
I would pick for him, just because I think that they like they have.
They like to run a little bit smaller anyway, and so it's yeah,
he'll wound up playing a five. It's the points in Oklahoma City is
what will happen? Why am I so interested in marketing on the Thunder?
Now that's not I've never had before. Thanks for you put that in my
brain and now I like it. Thunder fans might be mad that we've traded
Giddy all over the place, but our point entirely is they have so much
optionality. I'm past the point that they need to make this huge consolidation trade.
We're talking one player with that's the whole I only have two teams left
if we want to talk about them quickly. Who's your next team? Oh
see, I don't have a next I have like five that are kind of
like I don't want to cross them off. So give me one and I'll
tell you if I had them or not. I am the Kings, uh
not only they're one of your your friends. Are gonna kill you? Yeah?
No, they are. And it's an obvious need right like they they
are. Can I say, okay, I said, you can't say it
anymore, but they are the Ananobe Josha team. Oh sorryeah, go ahead,
they are the Josha Kogi team. That's correct. They what they need.
He can. I think what the benefit of them is that player can
be more limited offensively than when you're looking at some of the other teams we
talked about. Are gonna need you know, the Pelicans need them to at
least they don't need ball skills. They need to stretch the floor. Even
in sort of Cleveland, like if you're gonna play next to Mobile, you
need to stretch the floor. You could sort of be just we'll take anybody
that really is I sort of you don't want them to be you know,
Andre Roberson, but like we'll just if he's a good to great defender.
I mean, you know what, the we've mentioned his name more than I
thought we went on the podcast. They would kind of be a fun Marcus
Smart team. Oh yeah right, I love everyone We've talked, like Finney
Smith, like you would take one of the sixers three small forwards. That's
an interesting question with the Kings, and I think they have shown defensive improvement.
A lot of it has come on an individual level, with Keegan Murray
before his back injury and the Aaron Fox specifically, But like, if it's
Dorian Phinney Smith is very much this team is so close to there and he's
the finishing touch. Are the Kings at that level or is it? It
would probably need to be more impactful towards the mark a healthy Marcus Smart end
of the scope. I don't know. I mean so like and Kenned doesn't
have to be Could it be in sorry to interrupt you, could it be
Alex Caruso? I just I mean Alex Cruso would be just any kind of
shutdown defender that can handle more than one position because you're gonna have to shuffle
him around. And Caruso, I guess Caruso's semi versatile, but really you
just want him on ones and twos, don't you? Like, I don't
know if I love him on small four? So to me like, oh
go ahead. Sorry. The thing, the thing that complicates this for me,
and this is where the Kings fans, if those they are still listening,
will get mad at me, is like the Sabonis thing presents such a
structural hurdle to being a true title contender that like, yeah, you go
get Ananobe then you know, or that like the highest high end possible piece
that we're we could imagine, that's really like semi realistically available. You still
run into the thing of like can a team that's playing Sabonis at center with
his defensive limitations and non shooting, like does it matter if you have Anonobe
or not? Like yeah, so and it absolutely does. So I'm gonna
I'm gonna frame it like this. We have seen kolok is better than Demonta
Sabonis on defense. I'll princhan Gun has been slightly better on defense than Si
Bonus. This season, Demonison was absolutely good enough to be the starting center
on a championship team. Can he be your best player? No? But
you guess what news flesh. He's not your best player right now. You
run so much through him, but it's de Aaron Fox and so because you
have the one, it's more about fleshing out the roster around them to get
there. And yes, I think the real debate is someone like og Ognobe
exactly would make the difference. Do. The question to me anyway is does
it need to be that level of player or ten it be Hey, look
we just we sent picks and salary to the Bulls and got Patrick Williams and
Alex Caruso and like we're we're ready, which is you know, I don't
know if the Bulls would move Patrick Williams, But like that, if you
put Patrick Williams and Alex Caruso on this team and you're you know, you
kept Murray and you kept Fox, I mean, I'm sure Herder would still
be there. You have there's moving parts there. Davion Mitchell's to go out,
Harrison Barszys to go out, There's play, more teams involved. But
if it's picks attached to that, I think that's enough. I don't think
Alex Caruso on his own is enough. I don't think Dorian Finny Smith on
his own is enough. It makes them better. I think they need it
probably comes somewhere in between the if we're using the og Ananobi to Dorian Finney
Smith barometer, it needs to be whether with one player or is a combination.
No one's watching. I'm just doing this with my hands. A lot
of hand gestures right now indicated Mark is smart would almost be perfect. I
don't he's He's not healthy. So that's right. You know that's one imperfection.
Do you know who actually well, I don't know if he'd be perfect.
Jared Jackson Junior will be fun on this team. Just oh my god,
yeah, that'd be that'd be perfect. Are shifting Keegan Murray to a
lot of wing respond then you all like eight so but you'll figure it out.
John Jackson Yield defend Wings done right. Problem solved, We figured we
hacked it. You got to get the defensive player of the year on the
Kings, and then that's the one player away they are. You've named the
last two defensive player of the years and they are the perfect King's acquisition.
What does that tell you? I have a final team. This is my
final that I think they're actually one player away. And then I have others
listed. I have the Lakers, okay, so I also had I don't
know if i'd call them one player away. The Lakers are on my list,
probably at the top of the last team, so we'll do then.
But just Miami, Orlando, and New York are all like a tier down
because they're a little more than one player away for different reasons. But I
just wanted to throw them out there, like what are you doing at them
and the other team? I didn't forget about them, to be clear,
and they've played better, so we should play and they have the asses to
do something. Do we like, let's have a conversation about the Lakers and
the Clippers and then we can go to the Eastern Conference group to wrap it
up. The Clippers I do not think have enough as currently constructed. No
agree, they're close. I don't, But when I'm trying to pinpoint the
need, it feels like they simultaneously have not many and too many. Who
is the player? And don't say o Giananobi, I can't, Hey,
who is they? I feel like, do they need a different look at
the five? Do they need kind of a different look on the wings?
Is it? You know they've actually run out some pretty interesting lineups when Tyer
Lou's really been on his game. That makes me think, well, maybe
they don't they don't need that extra player. I think with them, I've
just had trouble identifying what they what they need because I'm not sure whether it's
a big ish acquisition or is just just sort of odds and ends at the
moment. We've mentioned him several times, but Nick Claxton I think is the
kind of piece that I would I think could really improve this team because Zubats
does a lot for them, but he is just so limited with not just
as a spacer, but his mobility. You put Claxton out there, and
then you're looking at and you remember you have James Harden on this team,
and in theory he's on the floor for the minutes that matter. You're gonna
have to employ a switching defense. That's just the rule. And if and
Claxton I think allows you, along with George and Kawhi and whoever the fifth
guy is, to do that, I mean, it's like you shouldn't have
to make a hard sell for Nick Claxton. He's one of the best,
most versatile defensive centers in the league. So I think it's that type of
player. I mean, I mean, what's the alternative you think it's like
we need a we need to know someone who erases the PJ. Tucker at
the four minutes from distance or Finny Smith would do that. You know.
Nick Patoon would be a pretty good fit there. I like him as a
connector on offense. Do you think they have anything? I mean, when
we're talking bigs, would they have to because they do, they can't train
it first, and it's I guess just who you're sending out as the team
would have probably interested in. Norman Powell, like Jared Allen would be great
on this team. Oh yeah, he'd be a He's trade number one first
round pick. Do I take you? I apologize? Yeah, well yeah.
And I mean like if this were last year, you would have said,
well, and then the Clippers could just send the Calves that small forward
they need because they got seventeen of them. Uh, but that that's not
that's not where we are anymore. I like that. I like the Nick
Claxton one. I mean he's kind of almost a cheat, Like he's kind
of like Anonobe where it's just like, yeah, of course you'd want a
switchable center that can block shots and run the f like you know, Lakers.
So the Lakers were I think are uh and that we're not just saying
this because well, who knows what's going to happen to them in the plan
by the time this airrors go way to date this podcast, I the Lakers
are so confounding because like we still you know, I think gave Vincent really
matters for them, and he hasn't really played I might I think we feel
differently if if all their guys like Hachi Mura's miss time, I think they
still have We've already talked about this. They got too many one way guys
and so you need someone like a two wing or forward. So Jared Vanderbilt
isn't such a critical piece of all your playoff decisions like that, you know
that's gonna We're gonna constantly be like, I think this is a series Vanderbilt
is gonna have to play, But what's that due to the offense, Just
like last year, that like that that is gonna happen again. And if
they don't get someone that is an upgrade on that spot, they need that
person to either be a great shooter in high volume or end or can generate
their own shot too. And I actually don't think it needs to be a
I would be fine with and this is a pretty big player. But I
do think he's a feasible get with their assets, given how much his value
has declined. I do think Zach Lavine does it for this team. I
actually really like him interesting in in La do you think so, just as
like, here's the guy that it doesn't have to be D'Angelo Russell anymore,
that is gonna take over a big share of the offense and su and or
supplement Lebron and ad and just be like a high usage guy that's gonna stretch
the floor and get you, like we have said it both several times.
But like the innings eater, like Levine is gonna present playoff problems, but
like, yeah, he's almost like the theory of the Westbrook trade, where
it's like this guy is just gonna he's good enough to keep us afloat and
lighten the load a little bit and maybe he's better than that, Like is
that kind of the thinking. Yeah, Well, it's just the big thing
is if you he's never played this role, by the way, like he's
not full time he's he's number three in LA, and so you just have
him cut, take threes and then he can get off his off his quick
off the dribble looks when he's getting fed out of Lebron kickouts or just when
Lebron is off the court, because look, the Lebron minutes, the minutes
without Lebron, excuse me, are just a categorical disaster. And I'm asking
you, so, even if you don't think Zack Levine is the perfect acquisition,
would you give up D'Angelo Russell just based off what you've seen this season,
knowing what the Lakers need, thinking about the postseason, like given how
Danzel Russell's played, and how much you've still struggled in the non Lebron minutes
and just overall in your half court offense, does Zach Lavine do it for
you? Yeah? I think so. I think I think for me.
Uh, we know that, and because we've seen it recently that there are
gonna be games matchup series even where Russell just is not someone they're gonna want
out there for, you know, for a major role that that has happened
before. If you have Levine as the third option, your third offensive option,
I mean, Austin Reeves would probably like to be heard from here at
some point, But like I think I'm more I think the upsides just higher
with Levine in like the quote unquote Russell role, because Levine is just a
better all around offensive player, I think. But like if there was a
way for them to get Caruso and Levine, I don't think there is with
what the ass I mean, they can get to the money, but you're
gonna be giving up that ruy d Lo Torrian Princes in there time. I
mean, I can you get get that to that money without Reeves would be
the question you gave So if it was Gabe Vincent ruy Delo, Torrian Prince,
like there's your money and then Jaalaenhoodchafino and a pick and then what can
you give up? Like three swaps or something that that That's what I mean,
Like you can get to the money. I just think you're gonna have
a hard time making that the best offer that the Bulls get for Levine probably
I assume. But like if you go Caruso, Levine, Lebron Davis and
I I don't know Reeves or whoever the fifth guy is, Like that's I'm
we are inner circle territory right there, because you've you've ticked a lot of
boxes with that that What about this would skew more towards what you were saying
at the beginning. What about a reunion with Kyle Kuzma. Yeah, that's
an interesting one too. You'd have to assume that Kuzma would play differently than
he is with the Wizards, right Like he would have to accept the lesser
role. He would have to. There were stretches where he was a very
good defender for the Lakers, right like that. They've seen that happen,
not consistently, but like it was a thing. So I thought of that
too. I think, well, put it this way, you can have
Levine or Kuzma and the packages are equal, Like does the salary difference move
you at all towards Kuzma or is it just still like, Oh no,
it's got to be Levine because because Kuzma would bring more defensive value, I
think just because its size. It's just what are you trading for him?
Because if you're trading d'anzel Russell, I don't think the Wizards are gonna want
RUI No, they've already they've already decided officially that they don't want Ruey.
So are you like going Jallenhochafino and gave Vincent when he's eligibly be portrayed,
and then someone else to get him. I think if you're keeping d Lo,
you could talk me into the to the Kuzma thing. Yeah, but
I would also part of me is like, wouldn't it just make more sense
to if you could wow the nets with your pick and your swaps and maybe
Jalen hoocha Fino's in there or as I know what, Lakers fans love Max
Max Christy, but is it better to get They're more stop gaps, but
you could keep them, like, let's just get Royce O'Neill and Dory,
Infiny Smith and ro That's kind of a Lakers type move, isn't it,
where they just go get the couple of vets on the wing and then they'll
just be better in the playoffs. I think, yeah, I k Kuzma
is interesting. You're giving me a real pause on that one, but I
think that's could they do. I was gonna say, I don't know what
they're gonna give this team. They have the money to make it work,
but there's probably more teams that need to be involved. Like Tim Hardaway Junior
is sort of like, well, we can't get Buddy Heel because the Pacers
he went from requesting a trade, so now he's starting to now it's like,
oh, well you'd be back. Buddy Heald would still make so much
sense on this team. But like Tim Hardaway Junior is kind of the feels
the more gettable Buddy Healed light version. Could we just reverse time and have
this year's Malik Beasley beyond the team because that would solve a few problems time
and have them pull off the trade for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed that was
probably man. They're like there's some real like I don't know if you call
him missus because it's like, you know, Beasley wasn't this good last year
for them, and and the Healed Turner trade just like didn't happen. But
like there have been some there are some like alternate futures or alternate presence.
I guess where the Lakers have certain guys that they really could have had,
where this team is terrifying. Turner and Healed on this team would be unbelievable
by the way I did not think you were gonna get me to come around
on the zach Lavine to the Lakers, being like, actually a good idea,
but I think you kind of did it. I think, look,
if you can get it for the assets that you have available, why,
Like he's also, by the way, I know he's got super young anymore,
but him and Davis are a bridge to Oh, Lebron's gonna be forty,
maybe he leaves or maybe he's just not as good at some point.
It's just easier to do it. To me, it's easier to envision Davis,
Reeves and Levine keeping you afloat without Lebron or reduced version of Lebron than
it is like, well we've got d Loo and like we could try Gabe
Vincent, we have him on the road. So it's and it's just just
the quality of player for the assets you have. It. It's sort of
like the Suns with Bradley Beal, where it feels like you're giving up so
much because that's all you have, but the value of that and Bradley Beal
is better at well, well they're both not healthy right now. But it's
just to get that player for the asset you have available is a big deal.
You're yawning, I'm tired. Let's talk about the three teams in the
East really quickly. So you had Miami, Orlando and the Knicks. Look,
I'm just gonna call it right, the Knicks aren't there. Uh,
there's if it's one player, it's like they're the team that needs a superstar.
I think if anyone that we list didn't know, we didn't say any
of them needed a superstar. I guess the Warriors we came the closest,
and the Lakers with Levigne. But like we named other names, you can't
sell me on a name for the Knicks. That's not even if it would
have Oji Ananobi, I think is the worst player that they could acquire and
maybe enter contention. And that's just like a pretty big as it wouldn't build
them as contenders. After that, I want to included. The Knicks are
really good. Their three point volume is up, they're hitting their threes.
They are just games where it all falls apart, and it feels like it
all falls apart at the same time, where it's Jalen Brunson and Manuel Quickly
are both bad, or Julius Randalls all over the place, defensively, and
he was going up against Giannis and the N season tournament and he had the
great offensive performance, but then he just has his lows. RJ. Barrett,
you know, eight games of greatness here, levels off for a few
games, plummets for another few games, back up for a little bit.
And the other thing with them, and I really don't think we need to
go to their trade assets just they're not all they're cracked up to be at
this point, because the Knicks are good enough to where their own picks.
Yes, the cachet of it's the Knicks, just like if you were going
to get a Kings pick, that would still exist. But in reality,
if you're sending them a good player and they have Jalen Brunson and they still
have most of the supporting cast, what is that worth? They have two
picks from Washington Detroit that might not convey every and then there's the Dallas pick,
which who knows, it's top ten protected this year? Where is that
going to land? Emmanuel quickly? Interesting go to be a restricted free agent
value kind of not torpedoed the way Obi Toppins was, But you've waited so
long that he's more valuable to keep Quentin Grinds is playing through the worst stretch
of his his career as rotation player right now has two years left on his
well one year after this one left on his rookie scale. What is his
value? They're they have reasonable offers if someone becomes available. They are never
gonna have the best offer in a trade package unless they put you John Brunson
on the table. And so it's you know, if you could change out
Julius Randall for Larry Market and maybe I'd be like a little bit higher on
this team. So you're gonna send picks and Randal affort. But even that,
it's like, well, you're going from Julius Randall, who, yeah,
he's ball dominant, but like he's better ball dominant than Larry Market.
In even though Larry Market is the better compliment. They're just not there yet.
They need the megastar. Yeah, and that Megasine. It's not Levine.
Someone asked me if Siaqa would be a good fit, not with Mitchell
Robinson here. And that's the other thing is that if you're gonna get the
megastar, they need to fit alongside Mitchell Robinson, who's great, but he
creates lim A takee. I don't know if you have any further thoughts on
the Knicks before we get to Miami. No, I just I just think
it's funny that, like, for the player they needed, I just put
an alpha, which is like and then I just think, well, that's
true of twenty different teams, so you're not one player away. If the
player you need is better than everyone you have. The only thing I would
correct is they need someone who is I would say, can be as good
as Jalen Brunson. Doesn't necessarily need to be better if you have two Jalen
Brunson's obviously not like size, otherwise that'd be a real problem. But yeah,
yeah, okay, or Miami, so I mean my Orlando I didn't
have just because I don't think they're gonna make the move. And but it's
like if you said, if I told you they got Anthony Simons or Buddy
Healed or and this is the name I love for them, Emmanuel quickly,
do you think that's the level of acquisition that's enough to put them in the
well? Like, fuck, this team could really mess it up in the
East. The guy I had that is not available and will never be for
a lot of reasons. Is they need like a Derek White because he would
allow you to preserve your backcourt defensive identity, but he's just better at all
the offensive stuff. And Jalen Suggs got hurt tonight. I still don't know
what it was. I don't know if you saw it. It was in
the first half against Cleveland. He was grabbing his achilles like. It was
not great. He had to be helped off. I don't know if it's
an ankle. I don't know what it is. But like, Suggs has
been so valuable to them, but Derek White just can do everything Suggs does,
but kind of better, maybe less with less like you know, ferocity
on defense, but like someone like like a White is just the ideal fit
there. To say that he makes them an Inner Circle contender is kind of
wild, just because of how young the rest of the roster is. But
that's what I'd be looking for because I don't want to give up the defensive
identity. This team has to improve its offense, which and its offense does
need to be better, so and it's actually been better in recent weeks,
but at the expense of its defense too. Yeah, So I want the
trade off. I want it all. So that's Derek White. It was
right Ankle's brain. And here's someone that I think could potentially be more gettable.
We talked about him in the earlier week the earlier in the previous podcast.
This week, everyone remember when everyone was trying to send Trey Young to
Orlando? What about de Jeante Murray. That's kind of fun. Shot the
ball better. Yeah, and you don't need him to be a capslock defender.
If you know, like you're not giving up, you're gonna have at
least one of Anthony Black or Jaellen sugs left over after that trade, maybe
both because Anthony is still there. No, but I meant like defensively,
like even if the Jeana Murray slips, you just have another primary defender at
least one maybe two. So and I think your faults is probably being sent
out and that deal is the expiring money and then other other stuff. That's
a name that I actually love. Yeah, that's good. Do you think
do you think the half court though is still too small and not size wise,
but the floor like does that expand it enough? I mean it it
sort of would depend on is the latest version of Murray? Like the real
thing or one you can scale up to where like he's actually kind of an
offense skewing player now that is dependent on his outside shooting, which was a
real weakness for most of his career. Like if he's that guy and even
you can add more volume to him, then then yeah, I mean that's
that's phenomenal. But yeah, I think you're probably right that like Murray is
still not someone that really kind of is gonna make the floor bigger. I
guess to to use your terminology, Uh what about Steph Curry? I don't
hate it. I don't hate it. I mean they're gonna have to blow
it up, so I might as well send him to the next dynasty in
Orlando, right, Miamily is Orlando's just not gonna make the move? Now,
that's fine, they're not, but they're really good. If Magic fans
are taking us to being dismissive, we said your team's not gonna win the
title, I'm sorry that we offended you terribly, Sorry, Miami, is
it? I know some people focused on like they need the extra they do
need the extra shot, Like what if you slotted Larry Marketed onto this team,
So then you going I guess Bam marketing. Butler, I'm assuming Hero
getting out of that deal without trading one of Hero or Lowry and Jimi Hawks
is gone. If you're getting maybe you just want to keep Hawkes at that
point. So does that have to be Hero and Hawkes to the trade?
Duncan Robinson too, but his shooting might be pretty important they can get to
the Maybe is it just do you trust because the Jazz aren't gonna want Tyler
Hero? Would be my guest, could you get? Well? Do you
think you have enough? What's that? I can think one reason the Jazz
might want Tyler Hero? So could you get Do you think you can get
enough? If Kyle Lowry's gone and you're not replacing him with another point guard
type, if you just put Lowry picks on the table. Maybe Hawkes is
involved. Do you think the Heat are a lot better with Lowry marketing?
Or is it then? I know Lowry's older, but like, did we
just give away too much of connective tissue? Yeah? I don't know.
I guess the assumption would be that the Heat will just manufacture like three other
guys that can be the active tissue, like maybe Cable Martin is back at
some point and it can be helpful, I like, or high Smith takes
another step or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. I just
like I can't get over did did you see that report that they offered the
heat offered more for Drew Holiday than they did for Damian the Alard because they
liked his contract better. Yeah, they liked his contract and like, I
don't know. Also, I feel like it was at least implied that like
hashtag heat culture is very much a Drew Holiday thing and maybe not so much
Dame. I don't know is Dame is social media performative hashtag heat culture and
Drew Holidays threw blue hashtag he Drew Holidays about it he walks the walk.
Uh, yeah, I saw. I just kept thinking, like, well,
I'd like a Drew Holiday type. Then I don't know what that is.
Uh, but you know that is that that's another Derek White type.
Like the guys you could actually get you went front court. I was kind
of looking more backcourt, just because I'm not sure I believe in the Lowry.
It's very confusing to talk about Lowry Marketing and Kyle Lowry on the same
team. But the Kyle Lowry Tyler Hero playoff viability. I had some questions
about giving the age of one and the like kind of one way play or
the other. So I was looking more backcourt. But like I just I
don't know, it's even harder for me to come up with guards that you
know are starting if the Knicks just think they can't pay him. But I
don't know why they were trading with the Miami, of all teams. If
they make a trade together, it'd be pretty shocking. Yeah, he's an
interesting one. I mean to go get I guess you could go take a
shot at Grimes, try to get him for nothing since he since he wants
out. No, I don't know that that's I didn't have a lot of
thoughts on Miami, just that they Terry Rozier do it for you at all.
I mean he kind of he's right on the borderline for in PJ.
Washington, for Kyle Lowry, maybe stuff like to get the money at work.
Yeah, what do you get in Charlotte? What's Charlotte want out of
that? Picks? I would assume what you could get, because you wouldn't
do I wouldn't do Hawke as if if the payoff was Rogier, that's not
that's not enough if I'm Miami. Yeah, he'd be interesting. He feels
kind of like heat player too. I could see him having like a really
good like glow up with the heat and then he leaves in isn't as good
anymore? H Yeah, that's all I got on the heat. They need
Drew Holiday. That's the should have got Drew Holiday and then they'd be really
interesting. Well, I don't think it doesn't seem like with their best offer
of beat Boston's. But well, I mean it doesn't look as great now
with RW three injured, I will say that. No. Yeah, well
Boston just got away with it. That was the highest on that one stat
Petting, Do you want to kick us off with what you have for me?
Yep? All right, so this is from this from Rubikscal. I'm
just gonna lead off with it. Uh So, Dan Kevin Durant moved into
tenth on the all time scoring list, which I'm sure you're aware he passed
one. That's congratulations, it is true, you got it. Uh He
is one of five guys in the top ten who has for his career shot
under fifty percent. Can you name the others? I'll give you three strikes
top ten in scoring under fifty percent from the field for his career, Lebron.
Uh, strike one. Oh my god, he's over over him.
I want to double check that now because that seems crazy. Is he over
fifty? If he's over fifty, Jordan's got to be over fifty. You
just gave me a look. I don't want to waste one of my strikes
on Jordan. Um, why is this so hard? It is kind of
hard. Lebron's at fifty point five percent from the field for his career.
So how many players are under fifty? Uh? There's four of them,
four of the top ten, and one of them is Kevin Durant. I
guess he's the fifth. So there's four others Karl alone, no, strike
two? Kobe correct? All right? Um? Four more? Well,
okay, so there's three more? Well Jordan, Yeah, under fifty.
All right, it can't be Kareem. I refuse to say Kareem. You
should not say Kareem. Okay, good. Would it help if I gave
you the remaining players that are on the top ten? Yeah, do that,
all right? So you've already said Lebron Kareem. You said Kromelo and
Kobe MJ. You got to choose from who of these guys shot under fifty
percent for their careers, Dirk, Wilt, Shack, Carmelo, Anthony,
Oh, Mellow and Mellow Mellow and Dirk. You got it? Yeah,
Dirk, I wasn't sure you're gonna get in the top ten. That's crazy.
Yeah, I think I want to say he's the next guy Katie's gonna
catch, and it might it this year. I forget. I saw the
graphic the other day. Let's see, you got one I can. I
got a bunch, just trying to decide which ones I like the best.
Why don't we run through yours and then we'll run through allmine that I got.
Let's try and separate it that way this time, all right, So
I'll ask you, do you want like more of a historical not like way
back, but like an all time thing? Or do you want some more
like recent draft stuff? Give me one of each? Okay. Tyre's Halliburn
is on pace to lead the league and average over eleven assists per game.
Name five of the eight players who've averaged at least eleven assists in a season
more than once so guys that had eleven assists per game more than once?
Do I get three strikes for this one too? Sure? I don't know
why I said five of eight, just like Gon stocked in correct nine times.
The all time leader still doesn't know what science is though. That's rough.
Chris Paul done it twice. Oh I was close then if he was
ever this high. Steve Nash done it five times. Whoa, uh so
it's five of eight. Have averaged eleven assists or more? Multiple times?
Yeah? Just just give me. You've got three and you've got three strikes.
Still they're just tell me who's this average at least eleven assists more than
one season. Jason Kidd uh unbelievably No, And I actually thought that was
gonna be wrong. I'm not gonna lie, really, And now I gotta
look that one up just to double check because that seems crazy. I feel
like, Yo kich is gonna make this list by the end of his career,
to be honest with you, But now I assist question later. Damn.
Jason Kidd never averaged eleven. He was over ten three times, most
overrated player in NBA history. That's why I'm like blanking on who would be
in the assist leaders I'm trying to think of Oh, James Harden, No,
did not to do it. So that's strike one or you got two
strikes. Actually, that's I have two strikes. Who was Oh, because
I got Jason Kidd said Jason Kidd, we just burn another strike. Trey
Young hasn't No, Trey Young hasn't done it. You're missing. Let's see
this player is not acting. The remaining options are not active. Oh my
god, Oscar Robinson correct, did it four times? Very good? More
done it right? You? Said Stockton Nash Paul oh Robertson. Yeah,
you do need to get one more magic correct? He had eight right too.
I was about to say, like, just the short list of greatest
point guards ever, you gotta name this guy. Okay, uh, I
want to get to this one now because you kind of mentioned him. Actually
it's going to totally spoil it, but hey, Dan, who does not
have twenty assists in a game? Chris Paul Russell Westbrook, Reggie Jackson or
Nicola Jokich. Nicola Jokich correct eighteen twice. Reggie Jackson had a twenty assist
game. I don't actually remember that. I probably would have picked him if
you didn't I know I blew it, all right? A draft one Dan
which twenty fifteen Draft Prospects scouting report included the phrase the cockiest prospect in years,
D'Angelo Russell, Frank Kaminski, Mario Hiszonia or Devin Booker, Mario Hisonia
correct, accurate, accurate, That is, like I'm defining characteristic of his
career as he was a cocky player. Mario Hazzonia played like he thought he
was Devin Booker? He did who was? What do you do with Lebron?
Didn't he like? Did he dunk on him and like to sleep over
him? Right? Yeah, that's right. God, I wish I had
like a fraction of Mario Hazzonia's self belief. You know what I could accomplish?
Oh my god, he's just like a superpower. All right, I
got a bunch more. We can keep going if you want, but uh,
or you could take jump to yours? Uh you want to do?
I got a bunch of word associations for yeah. Oh man, I don't
know if I'm mentally prepared here. Let me see if I have one.
I absolutely have to get you. Oh okay, yeah, well let's do
some word associations there's a chunk of these I really want to get to,
So I'm gonna do them next when we're done with those. Sure, first
block of five Chucker Jordan Crawford forgotten, Hm, forgotten. That's a good
one. Let's see. I think it's too hard already. Do you want
to know what mine was when I wrote this down? Yeah, Hollis Thompson.
I don't know why, but I'm gonna say Mark Jackson, but not
Warriors coach Mark Jackson, the other Mark Jackson who also played for the Warriors.
I think he went to Temple. He had a ton of rebounds,
and everybody always said he was the other Mark Jackson. So it's like his
whole deal is he's forgotten. Ahead of schedule. Chet Holmgren behind schedule.
Oh god, that's a better one. Hold on, I gotta have a
I know there's a good one for this, Like who just doesn't develop like
we want him to? Is there someone you're thinking of? Yeah? Behind
schedule? Mine's R. J. Barrett. What I'm curious, Uh?
What, like? What was your schedule for him? Just you thought you
thought by now he'd be what? So like if I could draw a map
of like the trajectory of what I was with R. J. Barrett.
It was, Oh, I'll just stay close to home. Jonathan Kuminga is
behind schedule and threatening to just not have a schedule for his career. James
Wiseman, Well, I mean he never really like started. Yo, who
I'm scared is gonna end up in his block? Hey Cunningham. But I'm
not there yet. I think he's gonna be fine. I think there is
some reasonable concern. Well you know what, though, is there? Because
no way better. He's gonna be fine. He's gonna be fine. But
as a number one pick, I don't think I'm not gonna I'm less convinced
than ever that he's like gonna be a transformative like top option guy, which
was like kind of the rap, right, don't you remember? It's like
he might be Chris Middleton like that. You couldn't talk about him without saying
Chris Middleton, Uh, well are you good for another block? Always unguardable.
James Harden's MVP season just couldn't do it. What could you do with
him? He was making threes or getting fouled. Do you remember that?
Remember that was a whole thing all year of just like yeah, the foul
drifting was off the charts. Travel James Harden's MVP season right, the invention
of the step back. For me, it's Corey mcgetty because there's a clip
of him traveling like eight times in one play. It's in standard definition.
I think I've mentioned it on Discord before and people knew what I was talking
about. It's like one of the best. He literally is like eight travels
in like one possession by him. Flop Marcus Smart, charge m Jalen Williams
from Arkansas, bust Oh, James Wiseman. We already said, James,
sorry, man, it was just that you put it in my mind.
I have three more blocks. Let me do one more. There's two that
I really want to get to. All right, let's do this one.
Uh screen assist Oh, Rudy Gobert because the Jazz guys would just never shut
up about that when he was there. Nutmeg ooh, I mean one of
my favorite plays in basketball. Like, I think I have to say Ginobili
because he had a couple of incredible dribble nutmegs and pass nutmegs. Somebody just
did it. I think Shrewder, Dennis Shruder just nutmegged Kevin Durant on a
breakaway like within the last week or so. Uh, and got siakam dunk.
I think this is I think looking in net it would be tray Young
for me. But the one that's just like the most recent ingrained into my
mind is when Wemby did it to think it was Reggie Bullock. Oh yeah,
that was absurd. Yeah, that was amazing. I love the nutmeg
is great. I don't care. Do you prefer the dribble like going up
the sideline, like dribble through the guy's legs, run out, come back
in, or do you like the like the like the past to the cutter
nutmeg pass? Uh? I think the I think the second one is harder,
so I prefer that one. Yeah. I think sometimes when the second
one makes it through, it's almost an accident, you know, they're just
throwing it at the Yeah. Like if you see the Durant one, the
shrewder through Durant's legs, Like, I can't believe Shrewder could time that out
that well. But the dribble is like always intentional. So that's that's a
that's a cool one second round exit. Hmm. I just want to say
the Clippers, and that might be like historically unfair, but I imagine they
got a fair number of second round exits. Who's like the most. I
mean the Sixers, right, the Sixers, this team second round exit?
Yeah, hot seat. Oh there's no, there's no wrong answers. But
I said Tom Thibodeau not because I think he's on the hot seat, but
because I feel like he's been on it a lot of times. Uh So,
if you're going for right now, oh man, who's I mean Billy
Donovan? This is Billy Well, he just got a didn't he just get
a new deal that the Bulls were like mad leaked or something. Yep,
Monty Williams. They're gonna Williams like ninety million left on his deal. Yeah,
that's tough. I'm sure I forgot his eyes cold west Unzel Junior.
I just don't see him being with the Wizards beyond this season. It's probably
yeah. I mean, like I just don't know who the coach is for
that team. But yeah, I'm wondering after some of the lineups he's running
out if Pop might be a well, yeah, he's just kind of messing
around. I Also, I feel like the right answer might be, but
I ultimately they're gonna be fi as JB. Bicker Staff. Yeah, this
would have to persist for like it, we'd have to get to like the
trade deadline and the Cabs would have to be like a five hundred team for
that to happen. But like, I don't think. I don't think is
there anybody that is like the JB. Bicker Staff's a top ten coach.
I don't think anybody thinks that right, Like that's I'm sure there's somebody who
thinks. Well, maybe I don't, but if you had some form of
consensus, I don't think he's up there. This is my favorite one to
finish his block six of nineteen ooh uh, that feels like a Trey Young
line to me. I'm gonna say, Tray Young, I think you just
said him. Okay, So I'm not gonna lie and people are gonna be
so Trey Young is. He is tied for nineteenth all time in the most
six of nineteen games, pretty good with six. So mine actually ended up
being tied for third because it was Kobe, which is the first one.
I thought. Carmelo has got some six in nineteen's, so the leader all
time in six of nineteen games stands alone. Damian Lillard with twelve. Wow,
Bracy McGrady is second with ten. Kobe and Vince Carter are our third
with nine. And then you said mellow has to have a few of these
because you got to be He's not. So this is exact. He is
not in the top I just went through the top two hundred. I'll scroll
through the next page. But he has so he has two or fewer of
those games. So that's a that's an interesting because you've got to be a
really good player to have a lot of six and nineteen games, because you've
been allowed to have that many six and nineteen games over a long period.
Had two, So wh's is like he's tied with like a million other people
for whatever. Hard But that was my I was just like, what the
dame had the most? Twelve? Yeah, that's it's harder too. Was
a little bit surprising as well. Yeah, okay, that's what you're really
expanding the horizons of of what word association could be. That you're the one
that you created a monster. I'm just trying to like, I got two
more blocks, but let's save those all right. Uh, let's see this
is a new bit. We're gonna try it out. Is it fake?
Kevin Durant tweets that I pass off? No? No, I just don't
know how this will work. Well, you know what? Whatever? So
Dan, these players have all played for two specific teams in their careers,
all right, So I'm gonna start naming these players. All of them have
played for two teams. They've all played for like some of them played for
many more teams. But these these players all have the same two teams,
two teams in common. Okay, okay, And I'm gonna see how many
names I have to name before you guess the two teams. We'll just see
how it goes, all right. The first one is Lou Williams, the
second one is Matt Barnes. The third one Clippers. Is one team,
but you gotta name the two teams. Lou Williams he's been. He was
around the block. I don't think Matt Barnes was ever? Uh was he?
No? Keep going, I can keep going, keep going, lamar
odom what the oh? The Lakers, my god, Lakers and Clippers.
Good, you got it. In three. I had also had Rondo Montrez,
Harrald, Russell Westbrook and I would assume that if I said it Vita
Zoobots, because it's the only two teams he's played for, you would have
got trade all right. Next, next set of players that have played for
these two teams, Matt Barnes again, another appearance, Baron Davis, the
Warriors. Well, but you gotta tell me the other team, and oh
all right, well the Warriors, and well you have is Matt Barnes and
Baron Davis so far Yves incorrect. Jamal Crawford the Hall, No, don't
know, Jamal Crawford the Knicks. I don't remember that at all. I
think it was like one year. Latrell sprete Well was next, Amy lynnon
after that, David Lee after that. You would have got it all right.
Last one Shane Battier, Trevor Ariza play for everybody. Oh my god,
rockets and Grizzlies. No rockets and heat. Correct, Gordon was on
the heat damn it. Yeah. Arisa's there's like Barnes. Barnes is someone
you can throw out there for a million teams, and like Arisa is another
guy like that. Lou Williams is another guy. That's why I like to
start with them. And we gotta fine tune it so I don't start it
quite so easy. But all right, good job, I have some more
draft stuff I have. Okay, real quick, this is kind of fun.
That's all fun. Fun. For which twenty sixteen prospect did friend of
the Program, Friend of us in real life, Adam Frammell choose the pro
comparison of Victor Oladipo, John Say Murray, Torrian Prince, Malik Beasley or
Jamal Murray. Ooh, Jamal Murray, Malik Beasley, Torrian Prince. And
who is the other one? Uh de Jontay Murray. I got to Murray's
in there. I'm going to say Jamal Murray close to Jontay Murray. That
was Comps are so hard, like like when I compare Justin Patton to a
bouncy your christopsports. Yeah, well so I got a few more of these.
But like it really when you see someone in a in a draft scouting
report that like nails a comp, it's just like you need to do a
standing ovation because like it's so impossible. Yeah, you're always just shoehorning,
and like, well he does this one thing like a guy I know that's
established. I'll just say him okay. Uh. Who's twenty seventeen scouting report
had quote has the potential to be the best passer in the NBA, Markel
Foltz, Lonzo Ball, Juwan Evans or Dearn Fox has the Is this another
Adam frammell one? No it is not. I forget where I found this
one. Juwan Evans just because it seems like such. No, that is
that's a total red hearing. It's Lonzo Ball. Oh that was like the
okay, Yeah, I gave you one with that should be the answer you
want. I got two more scouting Oh wait, one more scouting report.
Uh, we have to do this one. Who's twenty seventeen again? Same
class scouting report included quote A defensive stopper at the point guard spot with excellent
feel, but his rawness leaves his upside a complete mystery. Dennis Smith Junior,
Derek White, Frank Nilakina or Frank Mason. Can you read the scouting
report again? I would love to a defensive at the point guard spot with
excellent feel, but his rawness leaves his upside Frank And was that a damn
FA Valley special? No, it wasn't. It is Franknill Aquina, But
it was not. It was not your analysis. Did you ever read it
again to like see if it would like crystallize in your brain? Like I
wrote that, I mentioned something where I basically said, what if Avery Bradley
could dribble and was a superstars? How I compared FRANKL. Aquino. See
sometimes scouter reports are just on point. I had a note in here.
Can we talk about the twenty seventeen draft, by the way, just as
a refresher, So folts Ball and Josh Jackson are three of the top four
picks, all of which we'd say did not work out like varying levels of
bust, I guess, But in this draft, in no particular order,
you have Jason Tatum, you have Darren Fox, you have Lauri Markinen.
That's three all NBA guys already. You have Donovan Mitchell and Bam, you
have og, you have Jared Allen, you have Derek White, and that's
just like the first tier. Also in this draft, John Isaac Zach Collins,
Malik monk Luke Kennard, John Collins, Kuzma, Hart Hartenstein, Dylan
Brooks, Monte Morris. Twenty seventeen was stacked. There's like fuck twenty plus,
like legit, NBA players, we should rank every single draft class since
like the Kobe Draft or something one day. How long do you think that
would take us? I mean during the lockout, I think I redrafted like
every single draft class for work. So that was also like twelve years,
not the not the lockout, I mean the pandemic. I was about to
say, like you have a twelve draft, you got No, I'm getting
loopy. What we should do is some redrafts at some point, like twenty
seventeen would be nuts there, I mean, just do that randomly. Yeah,
let's just do it. You go Tatum first, but after that would
be a fun live episode. Just redraft it. Yeah, we should have
to draft it. But like you're building a team like with positions and you
can only use one draft class. I love it. Let's think about doing
that. Okay, Uh, that's a listeners let us know if and watchers
let us know. We should do that. All right, So I have
two more things I could do for you there. It's basically it's two separate
things. And there's seven questions on one and ten questions on the other.
So they're very quick. Okay, which NBA player has more games in which
they shot one hundred percent from the floor on a minimum of five field goal
attempts. Rudy Gobert or DeAndre Jordan DeAndre Jordan that is correct. Forty seven
to thirty not even clothes, Tyson Chandler or Clint Cappella Chandler that is correct
again, twenty six to eighteen. Wilt Chamberlain or Dwight Howard, Oh,
Dwight that is incorrect. Will Chamberlain twenty Dwight Howard sixteen, Andre Drummond or
Walker Kessler. Kessler, Drummond takes some bad shots. Kesslerready has nine to
Drummonds eight. That was a dumb guess. By the way, I have
one year to pull from. For Kessler, I got away with it.
Kareem abdul Jabbar or Shaquille O'Neal Oh, I'll say shack. It's a trick
question. They're tied at seven apiece. I just wanting to make sure you
got one wrong. Diabolical, Charles Barkley or Steve Nash Ooh, Barkley,
Nope, incorrect, Steve Nash six Barkley four tough. And finally, Larry
Nance Junior or on Yaka kung Wu. I thought you were gonna say,
Larry Nance Senior A kong Wu that is correct, nine to eight. It's
impressive on a Kungoo's part. That's a lot of so these guys. Those
are one hundred percent field goal percentages with at least five attempts correct. That
seems really rare. All right, good one? Uh yeah, I mean
DeAndre Jordan has the most all time. That's forty seven, and I think
Rudy Gobert is second with thirty. I think I still have the tab open.
I do not, But all right, last one, this is you're
gonna make people angry esecially if I cut this up. Oh boy, so
I'm gonna cut it up. Which NBA player would you rather have for the
next three years? Scottie Barnes or Tyrese Maxey, Tyre's Maxey, Anthony Edwards
or Tyrese Haliburton. Oh man, this is the wrong time to ask me
this. Uh give me, give me Tyreus Haliburton. I regret not that.
Luka Doncic or shake Yilch Alexander. I got I gotta take Luca.
I hate it, LaMelo Ball or Key Cunningham kid ooh okay og Ananobi or
Pascal siakam og Wow, Devin Vessel or Franz Wagner. That's a really good
one. I think I have to go Wagner. Okay, Devin Booker or
Jason Tatum. I wish I could remember offhand how much younger Tatum. I'm
gonna go Tatum, he's only nineteen. Demontes a bonus or Alpern Shangoon,
Alprin Shangoon, that's wow. Herb Jones or Jayden McDaniels. Give me,
give me Herb Jones. I think there might be some on ball stuff that
he hasn't unlocked yet. I don't know if it's just a matter of the
Pelicans letting him do it, and that's why where Jane McDaniels is out.
But I agree with you. Okay, the final one, I'm not gonna
lie. This is my favorite. Josh Giddy or Asar Thompson, Asar Thompson.
That's that's an easy one for me. Wow, were any of those
good? Were they too easy? Oh? No? Like the Tatum,
Booker and I mean Luca and SGA, Like those early ones were impossible,
Like I could just talk myself into SGA right now, Like it wouldn't be
that hard. I think I might go SGA because of the defense. Isn't
that wild? Like could you? I can't imagine if like a year ago
at this time, you would have taken almost anybody over Luca. I guess
I would read so throw contracts out the window. I would just be curious.
They're on the trade market and either I want to make clear another who
gets more in a trade, which is kind of like the same thing of
saying who's better. But yeah, I think a team might view shay As
more plug and play because we've seen him play off of all these other guys
before and the defense that's gonna make him the more valuable trade asset, even
if you don't think he's the better player. So I think I think Lucas
still would get a bigger return, if only because maybe this is just projecting,
but like I kind of think people there are more people that think Luca
has like an an untapped level than feel that way about SGA. Maybe,
like I think, yeah, maybe that's again I'm maybe projecting, because I
think I kind of think that whereas like there's stuff that there's stuff that Luca
could get better at, but whereas SGA is like this, I can't imagine
how SGA could be better at anything, Like he's just so good right now.
Luca just has that like, well, what if he defends finally or
what if he you know, I don't know that. There's there's no science
to that one. We said this podcast wasn't gonna last two hours, and
we worked correct. It lasted about a buck fifty five or whatever. It's
so you should hurry, that's what you're saying. You want to take us.
I actually I'm trying to do math because we're recording this like on top
of each other. But uh oh no, no, we're closer to ninety
minutes on this than two hours. Yeah, we've been recording for four hours,
though we've been with each other for four hours. We spend four hours
a week together outside of like you know, face to face to face,
and we just do it all in a big block. And so then I
like don't even want to think about you for like the next several days,
just because I'm invariably gonna be spamming you with the short that I put up,
the social media quip that I treasure our talks, Like I just I'm
not sure there's someone else in my life that I talked to for such an
extended period of time at a regular interval, I talk to you aside from
my wife. I think I might talk to you more than anybody else right
now, because like we've conversed on weekend, like we have collabse with work,
we have the podcast to plan around. I'm curious about Bert. I
was thinking the other day, we're not getting another dog, but wouldn't it
be awesome to have Burt and Ernie if you got a second dog, Like
I just I think you should get another dog or like some other pet.
But then they're not Yeah, it's not what are you gonna get? I
would have to be like what is he gonna play with? And be cool?
Like I guess you get a fish and name it Ernie, just like
get it done. But like you're not gonna get like a pet duck.
No, I don't think I'm gonna get a duck dan, probably not.
I will say I liked the idea of getting two because then they would always
have each other. But now or at the point where we might get three,
Because pets, I love them to death. But speaking of death,
they're so temporary that now, we don't want one to ever be alone.
They're four years old. Grant, Yeah, you're we're gonna end up getting
a third and maybe even I love dogs. You're gonna have a hundred pets.
You're gonna be the crazy pet guy that gets old that. I don't
know if we're gonna have kids, So it wouldn't shock me if we and
we have already decided, Like I say, I don't want to go through
a pregnancy. My wife absolutely does not want to go through pregnancy. I
can't. I cannot help anyone who doesn't want to carry a child, because
that feels like it just rex sounds hard. It seems like people don't like
it that people do it and then do it again. Yeah, like watching
the Pistons at this point, like why am I doing this multiple times?
That is the perfect analogy for pregnancy. I'm pretty sure it hurts more watching
the pisons are pregnancy. That's not fair pregnancy. Just like I'm sorry,
women built different. That's just how did we get here. We're trying to
get out quickly. We went from Bert. Yeah, I don't know pets,
pets did it all right? I will. I will put a merciful
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