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All right, So for our next
segment this week, we're going to be

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looking at an article that we found
on medium dot com. It was written

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by Dan Foster in July seventeenth of
this year, and the headline is Florida

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teen takes school to court for religious
persecution, Bible reading, bullies, and

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a First Amendment showdown. So what
happened here is that there's this student,

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Nicholas Ortiz and his parents, Raphael
and Lords Ortiz. They've filed a lawsuit

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against the Modern Academy, which is
a public charter school in Hialea Gardens in

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Florida, which is just north of
Miami, and a claim that the school

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allowed Nicholas to be bullied and harassed
because of his Christian faith, and that

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a teacher even had also actively participated
in the harassment. And there were these

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four main points of the suit,
and I'll just do a quick summary here.

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So the first one, of course, we said, was that there

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was a teacher involved, and so
there was a claim that the teacher was

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calling them ignorant for believing in the
Bible, specifically mentioning the Bible. There

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the complaint also alleged that the teacher
was inciting other students to bully and pick

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on Nicholas for reading the Bible at
school. The second point was that students

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had physically and verbally bullied Nicholas on
multiple occasions in relation to his Christianity.

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He was reading the Bible at school
and carrying it around with them and things

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like that, and that the school
did little or nothing to investigate or to

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follow up on that. The third
claim was that the student claims that Nicholas

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had brought it. Other students had
claimed that Nicholas had brought a knife to

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school, and that he had made
violent threats against the school and against other

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individual students. The lawsuit does point
out that the US Department of Homeland Security

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visited their home and found that the
accusations were unfounded. And the last point

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was that the school didn't punish Nicholas's
accused bullies, and in fact punished Nicholas

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as a result of a physical confrontation
where Nicholas struck out against another student in

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response to being bullied. But they
also said that he was causing a quote

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disruption of the learning and environment,
and so so that's kind of the gist

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of the lawsuit that's being fired being
happening here. I can say for sure

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that as a teacher and as a
parent of teenagers, cases of bullying in

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school are very much a concern for
me. And so I could go on

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this all night, but before I
do, I'm going to pass it to

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Mallie. Mallie, what do you
have to say about this? Well,

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um, I think I just watched
this movie. It was called God's Not

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Dead. Have you guys seen this? It's so a brave Christian student goes

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to a public university where he is
challenged by his monstrous atheist, evil professor

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guy to admit that God is dead
before he's able to, you know,

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get a passing grade in the class. And of course, you know,

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redemption in the end as the atheist
lies dying, accepting Jesus into his heart.

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And guys, this doesn't happen.
I don't. I really do not

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believe this. Now, if it
did happen the way they said it happens,

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well we need to side with the
Christian on it, because that's unacceptable.

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We can't bully anybody for any beliefs
that, you know, preventing that

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protects everyone. There's a point toward
the end of the article, as a

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matter of fact, where they said, you know, we shouldn't he shouldn't

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sue, he should expect persecution.
And that's fine if you're a Christian,

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but this is for everybody. So
you know, if this really did happen,

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you do want to sue. M
I just don't believe it. You

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know, this is Florida sixty eight
percent Christian Rhonda Santis territory. They just

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passed HB nine nine nine in Florida, which kind of attacks science in the

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classroom. So you know, the
idea that the majority person in this scenario,

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part of the sixty eight percent,
is being persecuted by a minority in

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Florida at this moment, something doesn't
really smell right, you know. Now,

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there was a kid in my church
when I was a teenager, and

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fundamentalist af and this kid was really
obsessed with being persecuted because you know,

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if you're not being persecuted, you're
doing something wrong. That's what the Bible

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says. Anyway, So he would
go out of his way to go to

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malls and you know, talk to
girls whose short whose skirts were too short,

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and you know, tell them they
were going to Hell and stuff,

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just so he could get screamed at
and feel like he was doing something right.

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I mean, this was them for
this kid and for a lot of

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people. I think that's it.
It strikes me as odd that he would

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just be sitting reading a very popular
book in a school and that's all there

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is to it. There's another side
to this story, and something tells me

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he was preaching proselytizing being aggressive.
We'll have to wait and see if I'm

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wrong, you know, come at
me, bro, I apologize and I'm

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on your side. Otherwise, Yeah, right, what do you think,

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Chris? I gotta agree with you. There's there's multiple sides to the story.

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Um. I mean, if it's
all true, we're really known for

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our lititious nature in America, and
if you were wronged, you have the

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right to go after whoever wronged you
with your evidence and you know, try

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to get satisfaction out of that.
Um. But I'm with you in the

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I think I saw this movie camp. So what streams to me a little

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bit is this seems almost like maybe
there was one incident, maybe there were

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two minor incidents. I mean,
kids bully kids, it's a thing that

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happens in school. But it seems
like this was blown out of proportion by

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the parents who may have seen this
movie and are trying to get some some

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clout for that. Um. The
other part of me sort of wants to

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lean back on my own experience with
bullying because back in back in the day,

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you know, elementary school, I
was. I grew up in a

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fundamentalist Christian household. I was that
kid that was reading a Bible at school.

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I was that kid that responded to
every question with some sort of Bible

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verse or something like that, and
didn't really have the social development necessary to

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interact with children my own age appropriately
because all of that interaction was done at

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church. So I think you're absolutely
right there's something going on, because there's

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something. There's another side of this
story, because I know from my own

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experience when I was on the receiving
end of that bullying. Looking back on

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it, I can't exactly say it
wasn't justified with the way that I was

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behaving and the things that I was
saying. And so that's basically all I

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have to say about that. It's
just kind of it's kind of unbelievable.

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What do you think, Scott.
I think you're right. I mean,

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there are some aspects of the story
that I really had a hard time with,

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like the science teacher telling him he
was wrong for being a Christian.

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Now, I can't see a science
teacher telling a kid that. I just

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can't see it. I could see
a science teacher for telling him evolution is

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correct, so that would be something
I could see happening, But I just

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can't see a science teacher telling that. A person telling any student that he

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was wrong for believing in his religious
faith, especially at a public school.

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Although this is a charter school,
so you're in that weird private public area.

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But still even so, it's just
something that you shouldn't do. Um

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I do, so some of the
parts of the story I really have a

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problem with. And then one of
the things that the author of the story

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brought up with that I thought was
really important is, and Mally kind of

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touched on it, was the persecution
complex. Oh I mentioned Maley's name had

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disappeared. I'm very powerful today,
don't cross Kelly. So but is it?

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Aren't Christians supposed to be persecuted.
That's all part of the identity of

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being a Christian. So if you
are being persecuted, why are you complaining

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about it? What is the problem
you're having with it? Shouldn't you want

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to be persecuted. I don't get
why he's saying why he's bringing a lawsuit

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because something that is supposed to happen
to him is happening. So I have

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a want to hear a lot more
from Scott though, because Scott is our

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resident teacher here. So Scott,
what do you have to say? Um?

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Well, before I get into that, I did find along the lines

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of, boy, this is kind
of a fishy sounding story. Is he

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being like Chris was saying? Is
he being aggressive and and preaching? I

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did find I found I looked up
the same article on the Christian Post dot

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com and I always like to scroll
down to the comments to see see what

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people are saying, And so here
was a comment that I saw there.

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I'll just quick summarize it. Uh, this was from somebody who claimed to

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be a student at that school.
Um, now, don't forget this is

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just a public comment on a news
post, and so you know, let's

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take this with a with a grain
of salt here. But the student claimed

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to know Nicholas Ortiz and said that
he had made racist, sexist, and

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anti LGBTQ comments, and he had
made death threats against other students. He

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also said that Nicholas was very aggressive
in his Bible reading and preaching in school.

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So it was kind of kind of
what Chris was saying about, you

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know, is he is he kind
of drawing this on himself having said that,

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though, um, I think we
um, it's very easy for us

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to start looking for holes in this
persecution story, and and um, in

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we could we could even say that
they were kind of inviting that kind of

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that kind of critique. But I
think we really need to underline here if

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we have to take a strong takeaway
from the story, and that is bullying

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is not acceptable. You know,
I think that's going to overshadow everything that

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we say about you know, whether
we think he was telling the truth,

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or whether or not, or or
they is probably a mixture of all of

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these. Right, we've only heard
one side of the story. We didn't

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the school didn't really have much to
say. By the way, if a

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teacher had said something like to that
to a student, they would have no

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problem getting volunteers from that class to
say yes he said that, or no,

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no they didn't say that. But
going back to the bullying, though,

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I mean, the school really has
two responsibilities here. One is to

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keep the students safe, right,
and that's you know baseline, students have

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to feel safe when they go to
school, otherwise it's going to affect their

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learning, their ability to learn.
What more than that, the second side

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of that is that they have to
help the students to feel safe. So

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even students that are safe, if
they are, if they don't feel safe,

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that will still affect them. And
so what I would have liked to

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have seen, and I don't know
that this didn't happen, but I would

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expect that the story would have mentioned
it, is that if the school had

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any kind of transparent or public response, Okay, so they have, the

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school has to make a stance against
bullying here. It's not acceptable in the

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classroom. It's not even a charter
school. It's not acceptable. And so

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I think that has to overshadow,
you know, the knits that we're picking,

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which are admittedly fun and attractive to
talk about, especially on an atheist

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theme show like this, But you
know, I really feel I can't stress

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enough that bullying is a problem and
that we need to take it seriously,

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even if we have suspicious you know, scenario situations. In a former life,

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I taught high school and so I
know how high school kids can get

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and I could totally see something like
this happening if there was an even among

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Christian students, even among other religious
students, if one of them was waiving

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their Bible in the cafeteria and preaching
to other students, Sure, yeah,

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they're definitely going to be a target
for bullying. That doesn't mean that they

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should be bullied. It means that, you know, we can understand why

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that this person's getting bullied rather than
somebody else. But again, you know,

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my last thing to say would be
we just we have we have to

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stop bullying in school. I mean
that that's really the main topic. And

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for me that kind of colored my
entire reading of the whole situation. Regardless

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of whether or not he was being
aggressive, he needs to feel protected in

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school, and he needs to be
noticeably protected in school. The fact that

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they're even having a discussion was he
being protected or was he not being protected?

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If the school doesn't have a paper
trail a mile long of all the

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things they did to protect him,
they are falling short there. They are

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being deficient in that, and so
they have a responsibility to uh to report,

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you know, to do it,
to perform that kind of service,

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to provide that kind of protection for
their students. Mally, you're up next

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here, what do you got?
Wow, Well you gave me a lot

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to think about there. I hadn't
thought about that, and um, it's

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a good it's a really good point. Yeah. The school needs to come

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out and declare and follow through on
saying, yeah, we do not tolerate

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bullying of anybody for any reason,
you know, and you know, no

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unlesses uh, no exceptions. Uh. Absolutely, I'm not sure one hundred

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percent what needs to be done,
um to protect somebody who is going out

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of their way to bother other people. I don't know what form that takes.

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Um, you know you're the teacher. I'm not. Um, hopefully

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I will become a teacher when I'm
all done with my schooling. But uh,

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so far, No, UM,
what measure? What kind of measures

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are takable in a scenario like this? Well, I mean they could,

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um at least investigate. They would
have to be able to show that they

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at least cared enough to look into
it. Um they can if the student,

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you know, depending on if they
could decide if Nicholas was provoking this

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type of response that then they could
talk to that, you know, they

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would have a record of that.
We talked to the students. We found

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thirty people in the cafeteria that said
he was egging them on, or he

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was calling out for persecution, or
he was telling people that they were going

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to go to hell if they didn't
you know, read the Bible or whatever,

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and so and so I would I
would imagine that the first step,

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at the very least has to be, you know, doing some kind of

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investigation, gathering information. And I'm
not saying that they didn't do that,

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although I didn't see any any mention
of that in the article, and I

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did not I was not able to
find any kind of follow up article as

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well. I know this was a
little over a year ago that this happened,

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and so I don't know how fast
the wheels of this type of thing

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turn in Florida. But I haven't
seen any results. But but yeah,

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at the very least, there has
to be record that they've done something.

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I mean, it's do do something
before. If you can't figure out what

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to do, then just ask questions, talk to people, find out what

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happened and then make a decision after
that. Chris, you have something you'd

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like to add, Yeah, sort
of bouncing on the back of something that

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Mally said, They're sorry, something
that you said. I find it.

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I understand where Scott's coming from,
and I I you're absolutely correct there should

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never be bullying in schools. But
I have to wonder what part the persecution

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fetish sort of like had had to
take in this. I wonder what his

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parents were telling him, you know, when he comes home with that,

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and you know, it's it's very
believable to me that the aggressiveness probably was

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built on over time, um,
by you know, being yelled at about

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this. Okay, well then you
need to you just need to be louder

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about it. Jesus said, to
be loud about it. Jesus said to

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you know, preach it to people. Jesus said that if you're you're you're

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going to be persecuted. So if
you're not, you know, be be

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loud, be bold. Um it's
good, right. And I almost wonder

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in this case if the school hasn't
come out with a statement or anything like

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that, because it's all going to
be aired out in a lawsuit. And

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if the evidence points to the way
that I think it probably does, it

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doesn't look good on a school just
to come out and be like, we've

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got all this evidence, the kid
was the one that did it all,

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like this kid, did you know
what I mean? Because then they're just

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sort of victim blaming almost in the
media. And so it's better for them

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if it all comes at a too
ahead in the lawsuit and they can present

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their evidence and the judge can look
and say the school did what they were

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supposed to do. Yeah, I
was like it mentioned that, and Scott,

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you mentioned to the death threats,
and the article does mention that he

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was actually investigated for death threats and
they found that they were unfounded. And

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I'm wondering did they find that he
didn't make those threats? So they did

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find that they didn't have enough evidence
to prove that he made those threats when

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they said it's on the allegations weren't
founded. And I thought that was interesting

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that you brought up that it was
in the comments from in the Christian site

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that so we're getting some kind of
at least from a supposed eye witness that

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we're getting the same stories. So
it's kind of interesting to me. I

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was wondering, do you think if
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different religion he would be getting having
these kind of problems. Does anybody think

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that that would make a difference.
That depends if the rest of the story

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would remain the same. Yeah,
Like if he had from let's say he

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was from the Satanic Temple, do
you think that he would still be But

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I think he'd probably bullied more in
that case. But my son actually let

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it be known to his friend once
into school cafeteria in high school that he

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was an atheist, and three of
the kids jumped him and beat them up

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that day, so just because because
they overheard them. So, yeah,

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it's the thing that happens. I
you know, I would say that a

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lot of this stuff is based off
of behavior and not necessarily based off of

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the religion. Um. You know, kids that age, their hormones are

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going and they can they can get
aggressive with each other, and sometimes it's

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just a matter of they have this
aggression and they want to maybe want to

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show off in front of their friends
or you know, show off in front

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of somebody that they're trying to impress, and oh boy, here's somebody standing

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up preaching in the cafeteria. Perfect
you know, perfect target, right,

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And so I would suspect that that
was part of it. I don't.

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So, you know, it probably
if he was acting the same way.

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I don't. I don't think it
mattered what came out of his mouth.

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I don't think it mattered that he
was saying Jesus instead of Allah or Buddha

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or whatever. I think it was
just the way he was doing it and

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what he was doing it, and
when he was doing it, and the

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attitude he was holding while he was
doing it. And again, you know,

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we only we have limited information on
this, so this is kind of

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a guess on my part. But
my guess is that it wouldn't admit that

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this isn't necessarily a question of religion. Although the parent's response was very much

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based on their Christian religion, I
think the actual incidence between the students is

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probably not if it's related to religion
at all, Maybe that's just an excuse

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