WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:07.320 You're listening to Kfix on demand. Happy Father's Day to you to those who 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:16.480 celebrate. I love that we get the opportunity oftentimes to talk about scripture in 3 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:22.640 light of specificities like Father's Day. Of course, there's no Father's Day in 4 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:31.399 scripture, but to look at the different positions and necessities that are in scripture 5 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:41.359 and that have been placed in life and sometimes misunderstood as to purpose and standards 6 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:47.039 and things like that, but important nonetheless when we kind of shine a light 7 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:53.759 on the different persons and positions that they may or may not have in someone's 8 00:00:53.799 --> 00:01:02.880 life. If you don't have a parent, or you didn't have a parent 9 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:10.879 that really fit the bill, keep in mind that God fills that gap. 10 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:17.400 And we talked about this a little bit earlier. Second Corinthian six eighteen says, 11 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.640 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons 12 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:26.400 and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty. And keep that in mind 13 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:32.879 if you're in a place where you don't have an understanding of what a good 14 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.000 parent is, A good father, a good mother doesn't mean that you haven't 15 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:45.879 seen examples and others, and that God ultimately is there with you when family 16 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:52.280 is not and to keep that in a point of strength and understanding at all 17 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:59.239 times. If you have a question, theology question or life situation question, 18 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.920 feel free to give me a call. Eight hundred and five two zero one 19 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:12.599 five three four eight hundred five two zero one five three four Sahara, Welcome 20 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:17.000 to the Jesus Christ Show. Allow do you discussed I was wondering God have 21 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:23.400 agenda? Well, that's a wonderful question. God does not have a gender. 22 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:30.240 God is genderized, if you will, in scripture because of language and 23 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.560 so there are there are most of the formal terms or the names for God 24 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:39.800 are in the masculine. Strangely enough, not all of them. There is 25 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:46.919 a term, many terms for God, one of which is el Shadai and 26 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:52.639 el Shadai actually the root word of that is shad which means breasts or bosoms 27 00:02:52.719 --> 00:03:00.199 and nurturing and is actually a feminine It comes from a feminine root. But 28 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:05.560 God has no gender. Now, when you talk about Christianity, you have 29 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:10.280 another twist to that, and that is the concept of God becoming man or 30 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:15.719 taking on flesh and coming to the world via Jesus Christ. In that sense, 31 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:22.400 yes, in the flesh, God had male flesh for the sake of 32 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:29.240 sacrifice. However, God that is referred to as God the Father, has 33 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.719 no sex. There's no need for sex. There's no need for gender. 34 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:38.400 There's no need for genitalia. Same with angels. Angels may manifest as male 35 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.159 or female, but they are not married or given in marriage. They have 36 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:49.599 no genitalia male, female or otherwise. Does that answer your question? Yes, 37 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:57.520 thank you, you're very welcome. What's that rock? Unto you? 38 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:02.599 Very bold? I love when parents listened to the show with their children. 39 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.919 God bless you, and Happy Father's Day. And I will tell you some 40 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:10.919 of my favorite questions that have been asked on the program have been by children. 41 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.520 I remember young Sequoia, who is no longer you know, he's an 42 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.439 adult now. It's been a long time since Sequoia called in, but he 43 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.439 used to be a fan favorite as well and would call in as throughout the 44 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:27.040 years, and we got to watch him grow up, and he and his 45 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.040 mother were a very important part of the program. And if they're listening now, 46 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:36.879 just remember that. I think I think about you, folks all the 47 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:43.040 time, you and your mother, Sequoia, and the opportunity of meeting and 48 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:47.319 all of those things have been wonderful. But young people, I love them 49 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:53.279 calling just as long as the parents know that they're calling, and the parents 50 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:58.759 have taught them the premise of the show so they don't get confused about reality 51 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:04.600 and interactive radio theater which is what this is, those things, and that 52 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:11.199 they approve the question, then it's always a fun thing. Gender is one 53 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:21.279 of those things that right now is a discomfort to some. And I say 54 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:28.360 that because you have people coming into this world, and rightfully so, demanding 55 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:34.800 to be able to be who they are and to be shuffled into the deck 56 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:44.399 of humanity and not set apart as freaks or somehow being seen as less. 57 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:50.439 Then, and I will tell you the church has not been traditionally kind to 58 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:56.959 those that may not suit their interests. And I say the church, not 59 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:00.680 scripture and not God. I separate those things. The Church should be a 60 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.120 manifestation of God. The Church should be, you know, a tool and 61 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:12.639 a guiding point for God. But oftentimes, as it is with history and 62 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:24.000 other things, traditionally it has been governed by men throughout the centuries, and 63 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:30.399 there you can't help but have your fingerprints, human fingerprints on things as it's 64 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.360 gone throughout. That doesn't mean that there aren't things that are taught in scripture, 65 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:38.560 but you have to understand as to what is being taught and why it's 66 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.319 being taught. There are things that will say that a man should not dress 67 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:49.600 as a woman, and people assume that that's that's speaking out against sexuality or 68 00:06:50.519 --> 00:07:00.279 gender specificity or a buyinary call outs to sexuality, and it's not. It's 69 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:08.120 you dealt with that is dealing with. That's a spiritual rule for other For 70 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.959 Pagans, it was to separate themselves from pagans and things that were being done 71 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:18.040 religiously, and oftentimes these things can get confused. In addition to that, 72 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:25.319 you have the terms that are used in scripture. Is a limitation on language 73 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:30.680 and not a limitation on God. So when certain words have to be used 74 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.920 to describe God or any of these things, that really comes down to the 75 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:45.439 inadequacy of human communication and language to capture every bit of the details that surround 76 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:50.120 God. So the term God the Father is a specific term that is used 77 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:57.639 for understanding of position and ideas that people can understand. But by no means 78 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.240 does that mean that God is a man or or any of these things. 79 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.800 God is outside of gender because it's not necessary to the existence of God. 80 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.360 Gender and the biology that goes with it is necessary for procreation and for certain 81 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:18.040 types of structure, and that confusion is passed along, meaning the assumption is 82 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:24.920 that God has that that standard is for everything in every circumstance, and it's 83 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:35.080 not the standards for procreation purposes. So as people are rethinking and studying with 84 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.440 a different eye towards those things, you can see that scripture doesn't always land 85 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:45.960 where traditionalists have brought it. Now, this show is not willy nilly with 86 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.399 scripture at all, and never ever think that. I know people like to 87 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.000 put the show in certain categories that makes them comfortable. And a lot of 88 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:00.399 times it's political, like people will say it's a conservative show or it's a 89 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.879 liberal show. It's neither of those, nor is God. God doesn't care 90 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.320 about Republicans or Democrats. Sorry to tell you that. So this show is 91 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:15.559 focused on the truth and what scripture breathes, not even what's been taught throughout 92 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.919 the centuries. It still has to be rooted in scripture, in scripture alone, 93 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.960 John, Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. Good morning Jesus, Thank you 94 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:37.200 for having me on. Thank you fantastic. Oh okay. My question is 95 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:43.279 I've been a Christian now for forty one years. I love I love you 96 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:48.919 Lord. I've loved being a Christian. But there's one thing that's always bothered 97 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.799 me, and I just can't seem to get any resolution on it. Is 98 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:00.200 I'm gay. I've been married to a man now for twenty years. Um, 99 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.519 and I'm being teased, so to speak or whatever by all my friends 100 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.240 because I do claim to be a Christian and they know I am. But 101 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.879 there a thing to me is is you know, how can you be a 102 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:18.200 Christian to a God that is just going to damn you the hell that God 103 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:24.159 doesn't love you? And which I don't feel that way, but I haven't. 104 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.000 No, I don't. But I just don't have anything to bring back 105 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:35.440 to them. I've searched the scriptures and and everything that I've I've read basically, 106 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:41.919 UM agrees with what they're saying. I can't find anything that, excuse 107 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:50.120 me that you know, explains that someone's gay. You know, it isn't. 108 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.399 It isn't a choice that someone's gay. I've trust me, I would 109 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.080 never have chose this life. Um. Isn't that an interesting point too? 110 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.039 And a lot of people do understand that when they say, you know, 111 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.120 it's a choice, as if someone's going, yeah, I wanted to be 112 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.759 picked on in school, misunderstood called names, um, as if somebody would 113 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:18.679 choose that exactly exactly. I was a my my occupation. I was a 114 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.559 police officer who I am now retired. And during that entire time, you 115 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.200 know, I had you have to play the game so to speak, that 116 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.240 I'm you know, not gay. Um, you know, it's just it 117 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.360 was just miserable. I never even came out until I was I was forty 118 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.080 years old. UM, I'm sorry to hear it. It was it was 119 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:48.600 terrible, and you know, it's just it's just something Now that um my 120 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:54.480 husband, who you know, he was raised in the church, she you 121 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.799 know, was a born again Christian. Well, now he's kind of stepped 122 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.960 back and said, you know, why why are we even bothering with this? 123 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.559 You know his friends are teasing him as well. And John, I'm 124 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.240 gonna stop you just for a second because we're up against the clock, but 125 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.440 I want to talk to you more. Can you hang tight? Sure? 126 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.120 Okay, and then we'll talk on the other side of this break. So 127 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:22.320 we'll come back and talk more with John. We were chatting with John, 128 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:30.039 who was kind enough to stay on and hold tight over the break. John 129 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.200 was telling us us that he's been married for some time to his husband, 130 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.720 and as a gay man and a person of faith, struggling with I mean 131 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:48.159 even coming out at forty or so, you were a police officer now retired, 132 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:54.039 and you even by friends, you get jabbed like, why would you 133 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.679 serve a god that hates you? Right exactly? It's just really hard to 134 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.960 answer. There's something like that because if you just look at the the word 135 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.159 on its face value, I don't know if it's the translation issue or what 136 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.720 it is. I would almost have to agree with them. But I'm sure 137 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.240 and I hold my faith that I don't believe in a God that creates someone 138 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:26.399 and creates them the way I am and just to just to damn them later 139 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.720 on. You know. It's it's something that, in my opinion, is 140 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:35.120 out of your control. You know, it'd be like if if God damned 141 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:41.840 all redheads, you know, you made me redhead basically, And that's that's 142 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.360 how I think of this. It's it's not a choice, unlike what a 143 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.159 lot of people think. And you know, my church they feel the same 144 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.720 way that you know you can change and you know all the sort of stuff. 145 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.000 No, I've I spent forty years trying to change and it doesn't work. 146 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:03.559 You know, you are what you are and you just gotta you know, 147 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.759 use that, you know what you're given. So but yeah, I 148 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.759 just need something or some way to be able to answer these people, some 149 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:18.080 of which are a Christian that have fought Christians that have fallen away because of 150 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.960 this issue. Sure, and like I said, I can't find anything anywhere, 151 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:28.960 and I've searched everywhere for it. Okay, So let's pull us apart 152 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.879 a little bit because we only have so much time, right, and it's 153 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.159 other big question, wouldn't you agree it is that? Okay, So let's 154 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.279 look at a couple of things, some of which you already mentioned. John, 155 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.240 doesn't make sense God to create and then to condemn you for that creation. 156 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.480 So the only other options you have is it's a choice. It's a 157 00:14:52.559 --> 00:15:00.440 pollution. Somehow a pollution or pollutant got into the line and therefore or you 158 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:09.720 know, caused a malfunction biologically, it's just rebellion. You can go down 159 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:18.720 the line, But more and more science has come to back up that this 160 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:26.159 is legitimately part of the biology, and as that continues to go down that 161 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:33.360 path it is it is a completely legitimate desire to go through scripture and take 162 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:39.919 a look at it. So, seeing as this show is scripture based or 163 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:45.159 or that is our focus, I will give a warning here that this show 164 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:52.080 is not wishywashy. This show genuinely focuses on mainstream Christianity, not a watered 165 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:58.000 down version, but a version that looks towards the truth, not just the 166 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:04.840 history, because history can be wrong, older teachers can be wrong, but 167 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:11.639 that leaves scripture and the language they'rein to define the things that people need to 168 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:19.720 understand about God and their relationship with God. I agree with you that it 169 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.679 would not make sense for somebody to be born with blue eyes or red hair, 170 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.960 or whatever qualifier you want to put in there, and then condemned for 171 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:36.759 that. I will also say that my producer, neio Is does not believe 172 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:45.639 that the people, anybody on the spectrum of sexuality is going to hell based 173 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.039 on being a part of that spectrum of sexuality, and I'll explain that in 174 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:56.159 a moment. So let's go to scripture first. Put aside what Christians refer 175 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.840 to as the Old Testament, because there are some curiosities in there as to 176 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:07.039 whether it's talking about homosexuality, whether it's talking about male prostitution and other things 177 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:12.279 like that, and other qualifiers that muddy the language and the context and things 178 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:21.200 like that. So let's move to really the Christians, the homosexual Christians biggest 179 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:26.880 concern, and that's Romans one. You've read Romans one, I would imagine, 180 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:32.519 yes, okay. So Romans one is interesting because it talks about many 181 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:40.599 things, including the difference between special revelation and general revelation, talking about the 182 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:45.559 fact that it starts out talking about the fact that, yes, special revelation 183 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:52.000 is scripture, and there I say in scripture that there's only one way to 184 00:17:52.039 --> 00:18:00.640 the Father, and that's through Jesus Christ. So the interesting thing about this 185 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.960 scripture, Romans one says that's not necessarily true. It is true, but 186 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.960 not in the context that most people think it is. It says that there 187 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:15.640 is something called general revelation, that someone can come out and see God in 188 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:22.480 the glory of creation and know God. They may never hear the name Jesus 189 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.319 or any of those things, but can see and meet God through God's creation. 190 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:33.839 Just like meeting an artist through their work and then and then it took 191 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:40.279 me a special revelation is somebody reading scripture. So it talks about that. 192 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.319 That is an interesting lead in, and then it talks about God giving, 193 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:52.440 It talks about the corrupted people. It talks about people that specifically, the 194 00:18:52.559 --> 00:19:00.759 audience that it talks about is the Greek to barbarians. And then it gets 195 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:12.079 into some language that becomes problematic to those not into the binary standards. Let's 196 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:18.759 use those hot button words there, so as you start breaking this down, 197 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:29.000 you can see about somebody who's losing their faith, or somebody who is claiming 198 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:30.920 to have a faith but not have a faith, and then it starts to 199 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:36.799 their heart, starts to darken. Professing to be wise, they become fools 200 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:41.759 and exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of 201 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:47.119 corruptible man and of the birds, four footed animals, and crolling creatures. 202 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:56.599 This is specifically about a pagan belief system. You have to seat it in 203 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:03.640 that first, because that's the context. This is talking about pagans. Therefore, 204 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.519 God gave them over in their lusts of their hearts to impurity, so 205 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.680 that their bodies would be dishonored among them, for they exchanged the truth of 206 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:19.079 God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, 207 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:25.359 who is blessed forever a man. Its entire seating is about. This 208 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:33.920 is a religious statement about the differences between Pagans and Christians. It doesn't say 209 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.720 for this reason, God gave you over to your degrading passions. God gave 210 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:45.519 them over to their degrading passions for their women, exchange the natural function for 211 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.599 that which is unnatural. Matter of fact, that's the only verse right there 212 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:56.359 that can be applied to lesbians, because everything else is in a male context, 213 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:03.319 which is also a strange sign because wouldn't they both be equally as problematic. 214 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:08.839 Yes, so this is the only verse that would tie into women or 215 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:18.440 lesbians, but it's very specific in what it's saying. So continuing on God, 216 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.960 for this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions for their women, 217 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:30.039 exchanged the natural for their women, exchange the natural function for which is 218 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.799 unnatural. And in the same way, also the men abandoned the natural function 219 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:38.680 of the women and burned in their desire toward one another. Men with men 220 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:47.559 committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 221 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:53.119 Let's leave it at that, because it does go into unrighteousness, wickedness, 222 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.119 greed, evil, full of envy, murder, strife to seat, 223 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:03.599 malice, gossips, slanderers. Anybody that has an issue using this verse to 224 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:12.200 talk about homosexuality have to be equally equally upset about wickedness, greed, evil, 225 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:15.920 full of envy, murder, strife to seek, malice, gossips, 226 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:23.839 slanderers, arrogant, boastful, disobedient to parents. So everybody falls into that, 227 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:29.160 but you don't hear that. So when you start reading those things and 228 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.319 you start seeing that the church does not focus on the other part of the 229 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:36.599 list, but focus on homosexuality, you have to ask yourself. It's legitimate 230 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:44.519 John to say, did man twist this into their own comfort or is this 231 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:55.839 really talking about homosexuality, Because if homosexuality is birthed, if it's biological, 232 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.079 that's not what this is talking about. You can't give you can't give way 233 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:06.079 to something that's unnatural if it's if that's who you are naturally right, right, 234 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.359 So it's only if it's unnatural. So This is a belief of my 235 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:17.200 producer Neil, and in order for people to hear it in its entirety, 236 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:22.279 I'm going to ask you again to hold tight because I want to make sure 237 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.559 this is explained so people aren't dismissive about it. So for the sake of 238 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:32.880 that, it's imperative that I show the math of the program and my producer 239 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:38.160 Neil on this. Not wanting to put words into anyone's mouth or into anyone's 240 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.759 faith, but there's something that's important to this, another part of scripture that 241 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:48.200 is often misunderstood that I think might shed light. So hang tight, John, 242 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:53.000 and I'll finish my thoughts on this when we return. We're wrapping things 243 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:57.440 up. I want to get back to John a very heavy question about homosexuality. 244 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.839 John is a Christian and is married to a man and wrestling what has 245 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.359 been wrestled with for a long time. I'm trying to break it down. 246 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:15.720 Keep in mind this has sexual content, and also this show is focused on 247 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:22.480 mainstream Christian theology, and this may make some people uncomfortable. But the importance, 248 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:27.079 by way of my producer Neil, is to show math here and understanding 249 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:33.960 of scripture and how you work through understanding scripture, not just stuff that has 250 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.480 been preached to you, but really getting to know scripture. So we went 251 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:42.720 through Romans one and talking about that it's set up as pagans and barbarians. 252 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:49.359 It's set up talking about theology, not biology, and that has to be 253 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:55.599 understood in the context in which it's being talked about there in Romans. So 254 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:02.720 talking about people giving over to unnatural things, people come to the conclusion, 255 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:10.240 maybe wrongfully, that that is a homosexual, But in context, it's really 256 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.960 a heterosexual acting as a homosexual or doing homosexual acts, and there would be 257 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.480 a difference. So John, you're still with us, Yes, thank you? 258 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:25.640 Okay, So let's sketch more of this out. In the story of 259 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:36.599 Onen, in Genesis thirty eight eight through ten, God orders on to sleep 260 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:45.920 with Onen's recently widowed sister in law. Onen has sex with her and pulls 261 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:52.480 out and spills his seed on the ground. Familiar with the story at all, 262 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:59.160 Yes, I am okay. So the Catholic Church and others for centuries 263 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:07.519 said that that shows that masturbation is wrong because spilling your seed is wrong. 264 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:14.440 However, that is an incorrect interpretation or understanding of that verse. For a 265 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.480 couple of reasons. It would imply that women could masturbate and men couldn't because 266 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:25.720 women can't spill their seed. Secondly, this is not about that. It's 267 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:33.519 that God commanded Onen to sleep with his recently widowed sister in law because of 268 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:40.240 a lineage. There was importance to it. It was disobeying God that was 269 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:45.359 punished for not spilling the seed. Spilling the seed when God said to produce 270 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:53.640 a child was the sin. So you see a misrepresentation of what the conclusion 271 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.920 is. They're assuming that spilling the seed is what's wrong, and know what 272 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:07.440 was wrong was disobeying God. Right, now you move towards positions. The 273 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.880 Godhead is not about equality or inequality. Right, all of the Godhead, 274 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:18.200 the Trinity are equal, but the positions are different, and that difference in 275 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:27.279 position is imperative. So it is the belief and a working understanding that my 276 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:34.559 producer Neil has been working and really deep diving. It is a belief that 277 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.440 the reason it is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, as the silly 278 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:47.160 saying goes, is that that was necessary for the procreation and the design of 279 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:53.200 the planet. Right, But just like everything else that's described in Genesis, 280 00:27:53.200 --> 00:28:02.880 when God creates he creates pollers day and night. Correct, that's right. 281 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:08.160 But by creating day and night, does God not create dusk, dawn, 282 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:18.200 noon, midnight and all the variants between those two poles. Yes, When 283 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.279 God says in scripture in Genesis that he creates the bird of the air and 284 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:32.839 the fish of the sea, did God create turkeys that don't fly, penguins 285 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.640 that don't fly? Are they not birds? Yeah, they're just different species. 286 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:45.680 They're different spectrums. They're different parts of the spectrum between the polars designed 287 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:52.599 by God. The conclusion hopefully showing as much math, and again this show 288 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:59.039 focuses on mainstream Christianity. Don't get political. This is something that has touched 289 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:06.000 produced Sir Neil's heart for a long time and that he's continually looking into this 290 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:12.039 in a greater understanding than just the church's presupposition based on the handling of humankind 291 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:19.559 that can pollute messages. This is scripturally based. So imagine, if you 292 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:26.960 will, John, that the polars were created by God purposely for creating humans, 293 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.359 and that was a necessity. Once that necessity is fulfilled, or it 294 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.559 is a position for those people doing it. If someone was called to go 295 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:45.079 forth and multiply, and they did not do that, and they decided just 296 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:52.920 to focus on the sex part with each other, not perpetuating the call to 297 00:29:52.680 --> 00:30:00.240 populate the planet. That would be a breach of their position, just like 298 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.559 owning breached the command of God. It wasn't about the spilling of the seed. 299 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:11.119 It was about disobeying God the position that he gave onen. So in 300 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:17.079 that case, a man and a woman disobeying creating and populating would be a 301 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:23.119 would be disobeying God's position for them in that context. Not saying that if 302 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.680 two women were together, two men were together, or any spectrum there in 303 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:34.200 between, the polls are wrong. Lastly, you'd have to ask yourself, 304 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:45.880 because God does change positions. It was completely okay for incest at one point, 305 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:51.200 right there was no way to populate the planet otherwise, right, not 306 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:56.359 until the vitical laws. Is that that gets an end put to it because 307 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.640 it's no longer necessary and would call cause pollutants and problem ones, all these 308 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:08.119 things to say that you can find that maybe what is being said in Romans 309 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:15.079 is people that were meant to perpetuate life said no to that, and that 310 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.319 was their position and cause, and that The assumption is that God made Adam 311 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:25.359 and Eve without understanding, just like animal life, just like daytime and nighttime, 312 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.200 just like all the other things God created in Genesis. There's a spectrum 313 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:36.200 within those polar pieces that have a place as well. And unfortunately, John, 314 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.279 we're up against the clock and more importantly than all these things. I 315 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.000 hope you study. I hope you learn. I hope you're empathetic and you 316 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:52.440 remember these words. I am with you always KF. I demand