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Hello, and welcome to Open Minds
Radio. I am your host, Alejandro

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Rojas, and believe it or not, I am joined all the way from

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Russia by Martin Willis. Y.
Yeah, and you sound like you're you're

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here with me in the room.
I know what a clear signal. This

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skype is amazing. Yeah, this
is incredible. So how are you doing

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out there? Oh? I'm doing
great. I'm in a town called Novarest

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Sea Skits, where my girlfriend's parents
are. And you know, it's the

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largest Russian military presence. It's on
the Black Sea and they have a base

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here and so it's known for that, but it's also known for rolling hills

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with vineyards and champagne and beluga caveat
not the beluga we're thinking of like the

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big round whales, but the beluga
is like a salmon in Russian. And

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also cement. The mountains are made
of limestone and it's the oldest cement factories

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along here, so that you can
see the stripping away the mountains. But

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it's a real beautiful The Black Sea
is really beautiful. Wow, that's where

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that event I think we talked about
it last week where that Polish video over

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the Black Sea and people assumed it
was a Russian video and there was a

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whole mess. We did a UFO
report on it. There must be a

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real buzz in the community about that. They must be inundating you with questions

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about those UFO videos. Well,
i'll tell you there. If you google

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an over a sisk on you,
you'll find all kinds of sightings here.

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Is a really is a great one. I posted a short blog on my

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website about this cigar shaped video.
It's really a crazy video. But there's

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a lot of uh, there's a
lot of sightings here. And also there's

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these things that I'm going to be
hiking a mountain and it's going to be

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a little difficult because I'll i sprain
my ankle, but I have to go

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see the They're called Dolman's and yeah, they're ancient, ancient little houses,

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little huts that could be ten to
twenty five thousand years old now, and

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they most of them have these little
round holes where you can get in and

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out of them. Of course I'm
not gonna I don't think I'm gonna go

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in one of them. But there's
all kinds of local folklore here that there's

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uh, there's UFO sightings around them
all the time. There's uh, there's

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possible abduction accounts. And my girlfriend's
father actually says that when he goes near

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them he gets a really bad headache. Now it could be because of the

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elevation, so I don't know,
it could be because of that. But

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still I can't wait to go see
them and there. Like I said,

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there's a lot of sightings here.
I have been trying to reach out to

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local ufologists here and having a lot
of trouble. I've had some people help

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me, you know, on the
back in the States that have connections over

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here, and as well as Philip
Mantle did some work with some Russians over

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here, so he's trying to connect
me with someone, but I haven't been

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able to land anyone. I'd really
like to talk UFOs while I'm here in

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Russia with someone. Yeah, that
would be cool. So, and you

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had an interesting story about your leg. You hurt yourself, and I had

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injured myself a month ago, and
there's nothing like spraining ankle and ankle and

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then re spraining it. Yeah,
oh it's so bad. But so my

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girlfriend I get home and this is
my girlfriend's mother. She grew up I

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think it was Kazakhstan, and there
was no plumbing in the house and no

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anything, you know, so they
lived off the land. So first thing

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she does, she shreds a cabbage. She takes the cabbage and she puts

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it in saran wrap, tightly wraps
it around my ankle, and then an

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ace bandage over it. And I'm
thinking, I'm, you know, like,

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okay, all right whatever, and
ice was good enough for me.

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But you know, the next day, I could walk on it. And

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I don't know if you know,
maybe it's a psychosomatic or something, but

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I'm doing actually really well awesome.
You know, I was thinking, as

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you said that it would be funny, you know, just if they're playing

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a trick on you. You know, you have the foreigner, your daughter's

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boyfriend. You're already kind of who's
this joker? Yeah, no, oh

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yeah, it'd be like, well, sure if we put cactus on your

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leg, but it works, it's
working for you, huh yeah. And

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by the way, you just kind
of reminded me there are uh, we're

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not really liked that much here.
I've been introduced to a few different people

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in Americana, and you know,
on and on and on and you hear

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the word Obama, and you know. And then this woman actually said,

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I was standing on a cliff over
the black seat taking a picture of my

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girlfriend, her and the group that
was standing there talking, and she said,

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I want to go over and push
him off and kill him right now.

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About wow about you? Yes,
wow, yeah. My girlfriend just

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she got such a kick out of
it. She actually went up. She

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saw her again tonight, went up
to talk to her tonight to get more.

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She just thought it was really funny. Oh good, Yeah, at

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least you know your girlfriend didn't get
man want to throw her off the cliff.

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No. Wow, that's pretty wild. We'll be careful out there,

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buddy, that's right. Yeah.
And then you said they have open minds

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blocked. Huh, you know you
are what are they called gell blocked?

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That absolutely cannot get to your site. And I even I even took you

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send me a bunch of stories,
and I took and I I copied in

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and pasted in Google to see if
I could get to the website somehow that

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way. And I've tried all different
browsers. Nothing works. I can't get

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to it. Give me for like, give me the number for the department

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of internet, so I can give
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I'm both guests. Man. Yeah, I don't think you can get a

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hold of anyone here for any reason
at all. This shut up. They

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shut the hot water off. You
only get hot water for two hours a

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day and that. It's really strange
like that. But Poot does come here

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all the time, to this town
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Really because of the base here?
Yeah? Wow? Cool? Well cool,

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So it sounds like you're having a
good time and your chihuahua's out there.

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He having a good time. He
is, yes, and he's he's

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been flirted with by by Russian chihuahas, but he does have his boundaries.

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So now there's Russian chias. Oh
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believe how many. Oh, how
cool. That's really cool. Well are

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they treating him nice even though he's
an American dog? Yeah, I don't

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think they. They're not really getting
into it that much. You know,

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it's like surf surface up their meeting
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M okay, right. They sniff
each other and they do have they

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do have a great accent though when
they bark yeah, oh cool, Yeah,

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yeah, dogs are are We can
learn a lot from chihuahua's about relations,

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I think. But all right,
well, I guess I should mention

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who my guest is today. That's
gonna be Michael Twitchell in just a minute.

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It's kind of a short interview because
I guess, well, the topic

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is not typically what we cover.
It's more along the lines of technology.

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It's called ether gravity. So we
did talk about about a bit about kind

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of its relations to ancient aliens.
And that's where you know, local guy,

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nice guy, and he had come
by. He's spoken at a couple

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of Tesla Tech conferences and shared his
book with me, and he said he

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wanted to you know, he wants
to talk about uh, this relation of

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this this kind of concept with with
ancient aliens. So I wasn't familiar with

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you know, concepts of the ether
and and and energy and propulsion and things

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like that. So we talked about
that and that'll come up in a minute.

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But first, well we got you. Let's talk some UFO news with

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Martin. Okay, yeah, Well, I want to talk about your stomping

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grounds when you can get away out
in San Diego. So earlier this month,

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several witnesses in San Diego observed mysterious
lights in the sky that they couldn't

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identify. And this is one where
they tweeted the heck out of this with

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their videos and everything. So,
you know, I want to talk a

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little bit about that how social media
is kind of changing this whole thing.

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Now. The guy actually gave his
name. His name is Garrett Conder,

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and he's a high school sophomore.
And this will happened while he was watching

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the Chargers on TV back on September
three, and it was right around eight

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o'clock and he yelled at his family
to come outside and he considered. He

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called this, in his own words, this is the first piece of you

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UFO evidence I've ever seen in the
sky. And it was a diamond shape.

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So that that makes me think that
he's been looking or he has some

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type of interest. The way he
the way he talks, you know,

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these are his own words, like
I said, So, they formed this

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diamond shaped formation and flying above and
below each other, and then they blinked

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out one at a time. Now, you know, some people were saying

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that while this could be possibly Chinese
landings because they do blink out like that,

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but there was someone that else also
commented that they were a little bit

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too much in a formation for that, and I believe you can correct me

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if I'm wrong. That someone in
south Tulivisa is about I think about forty

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fifty miles south if I remember right
from San Diego, and there was someone

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that filmed a very similar object.
I think it's even closer. Actually,

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I think you know, I loved
the next door I lived there, Oh

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he did, late seventies. In
the seventies, I lived east of Toola

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Vista. Yeah, it's another whole
story for anyway, it is fairly close,

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but I was thinking it was forty
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maybe twenty miles something like that.
But anyway, so just that someone saw

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a very similar or possibly the same. I couldn't see the images of it.

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Again, your site is jill Block, so I can't really see any

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of these pictures, but it seems
like a real interesting sighting anyway. Yeah,

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it was kind of cool, you
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guy the kid seemed like he was
into UFOs. So I went to go

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look at his Skype and see who
he or his Twitter account to see who

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he was communicating with and see if
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or not they had seen the sighting. And there was a whole Twitter conversation

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he had with a few people about
it, including other witnesses like the Chola

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Vista one, and he was a
follow of ours on Twitter. So yeah,

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like, like you said, it
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So I haven't checked because I did
tweet, you know, I tagged him

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in my tweet when I tweeted the
story. But yeah, there's a couple

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other Twitter videos that he was able
to find of this sighting. It could

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be Chinese lanterns, but I included
a video where actually these guys launched some

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lanterns to test them and see what
they look like and see if they look

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like UFOs, So people can check
that out with the story. But yeah,

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there's this whole Twitter Twitter phenomena happening
around this incident. And it's kind

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of funny is that's where the whole
reporting kind of sent was centered around.

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Was you know, was posted on
Twitter, and they posted all their sightings

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on Twitter, and all these videos
that we have of it are you know,

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often they'll post them on YouTube,
but these are all Twitter videos,

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so kind of cool Twitter UFO event
here in Sane Diego. I also think,

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you know, I mean, YouTube
is basically social media as well.

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So when I say, or when
you know a lot of videos are put

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out there through YouTube, I like
what one of the guests I had on

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my show said, he uses YouTube
for entertainment because because we just don't know

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what's real and what's not. But
when you know someone's associating their name with

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something, at least they're most likely
sincere. Yeah. Yeah, and some

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of these, like the stories Roger
mars Marsh writes about one I'm going to

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talk about. Actually, next is
our videos that they receive from people and

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then they put them on their moof
on YouTube. So yeah, let's get

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into this next one. This one's
really cool. This was in New York

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in an area that is called I
can't remember what it's called, but you

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could see, oh it's the town
of Brookhaven that Long Island, Yeah,

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Long Island, north shore of Long
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He said, this was April seventeenth, at about ten thirty pm.

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He saw red and blue lights out
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so he didn't know what they were, so he started to record them with

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his phone. And the video is
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saying it's a drone, and I
guess it is possible, but this thing

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covers a big distance and this thing's
cruising, I mean, it is moving

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really fast, so you can see
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this video is interesting. Of course, it's moving too fast to be like

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a balloon or Chinese lantern, so
I guess it could be a drone.

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But man, this thing is covering
some distance and moving really fast. So

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pretty cool video that was posted that
we just posted. You probably haven't got

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to see it yet since you're in
Russia and Russia hasn't unblocked YouTube or our

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site yet. But but if it's
on YouTube, But now, okay,

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to know when you speak with someone
like Mark D'Antonio, what the fastest you

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know, like I wouldn't say commercial
grade drones are, but what are the

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fastest drones? I mean, do
they go two hundred miles an hour?

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Well? You know who would know
best and I and I should ask him,

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but I haven't. Is Michael Klein, the guy, our video guy

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here. He has a friend that
races drones. So now they have a

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thing where they race them, and
so they customize these drones and they're really

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fast zipping around. However, you
know they're still you're still a bit limited,

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especially at night by a distance,
because you can't lose track of that

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drone. If you lose track of
it, especially these ones sich are hundreds

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of dollars, you'll lose it,
you know, and you'll lose all your

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money. So there's that concern.
But you know what, Let mean,

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he's right here, he just happened
to walk by. I'll ask him real

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quick. Those racing drones, Yes, how fast do they go? You

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think, oh gosh, they very
what's the fastest I've seen them? I

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feel like to sixty Wow, up
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pretty good. Cool, Yeah,
cool, Wow, that's fast. Thanks.

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Yeah, that's cool as walking.
So plus or minds ten about seventy

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miles per hour. So when you're
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something, it is unless you can
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that, there's no way to really
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mean, you can compare it to
the other lights and this thing seems to

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be You're exactly right, though,
but this thing looks to be over lights

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that are at least one hundred feet
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hundred feet or maybe even further.
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then the more distance this thing is
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really hard to tell. But people
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this thinge is cruising, so see
what they think. And it seems

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like, you know, quite a
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a cool video. And then finally, the last thing I want to mention,

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I'm actually writing this story now,
I haven't even posted it yet.

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I actually was in Vegas Friday and
Saturday because I did a talk there Friday

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about, you know, kind of
pondering the idea is Bob Lazaar And this

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was at the National Atomic Testing Museum
where they have an Area fifty one display

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where they include aliens and UFOs and
stuff in the display, which is cool.

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aliens at Area fifty one. So
discussing whether or not it could possibly be

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a disinformation kind of project, and
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we know about with Richard Dodie.
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we videotaped it, so we'll have
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so I didn't get to write this
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and we're going to interview the producer
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was able to talk with some other
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movie based on Kathleen Martin her book
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the whole Betty Hill and Barney Hills
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Hollywood movie. The guys who did
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they're going to help produce this.
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be a huge move, a huge
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come out at the first one,
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that's that's pretty exciting news. Yeah, Kathleen Martin, I've run into

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her all the time. It seems
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and she's there and she's a real
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her talk. She comes up with
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herself. There's some connections with her. And when I was out in Phoenix

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last year for your conference out there, I had her talk about her own

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abduction experiences, which is a lot
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So the niece of Betty Hill is
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yeah, I've talked to her,
came out about that. But yeah,

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like you said, at first,
she didn't talk much about it. She

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kind of mentioned it, and she
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some and she seems to talk more
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stuff. Yeah, well we did
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interesting stuff thing. That's what happens
when you do this. Yeah, well,

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this is really cool that you're in
Russian we're able to talk. Maybe

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if you can, you know,
if if putting It is there while you're

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there, talk to them about the
open minds thing. Maybe if you could

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talk to him a little bit about
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and maybe even just about world peace
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helpful. So but open minds first. Yeah, you got to have your

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priorities, that's so, and then
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you got time, If you have
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right, have fun out there and
be safe. Watch out for those anti

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American old ladies I know. Yeah, I'll have to dress one of those

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horizontal striped shirts that all the Russians
where so i'll fit in. Yeah,

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oh they do. Yeah, bring
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or take a picture. Yeah yeah, all right, man, we'll do

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all right. Thanks so much.
Well, I'll be here next week and

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hopefully we'll be able to talk again. Awesome, that'll be great. We'll

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be fresh back from mouf On.
All right. I am excited to be

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here with Mike Twitchell, who You've
got some interesting theories when it comes to

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energy and propulsion and how it might
relate to the ancient alien theory. Right,

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that's right, so cool. Well, why don't we start off if

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maybe you can tell us a little
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engineer and I work every day as
a software engineer. But I wrote Ether

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eleven finished it and it's been for
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last couple of years, I've spoke
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I spoke on ether gravity, and
then this year I spoke on ether physics.

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So I'm just trying to promote the
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the Ancient Aliens show is awesome,
and there's a lot of things on that

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show that, you know, really
imply that ancient aliens have an influence on

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some of those stone carvings, and
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using some sort of anti gravity technology, and this theory sort of applies in

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those areas. So I guess going
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interested in this topic, that's a
good question. You know. I had

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a vision, Alejandro. It was
about two thousand and five, and I

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had this vision of the biological universe
where the milky Way was like the sort

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of the the root tip of a
plant like, and as the root tip

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of this plant was winding through the
soil of the universe, the soil of

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the universe was the ether, and
I knew that this that everything that was

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alive in the Milky Way was alive
needed nutrition to survive. So my vision

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was that the milky way was was
like the tip root of this the tip

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of a root of a of a
plant root, and it was absorbing the

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soil around it through the xylum up. The new the way a plant works

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is the xylum is the path where
the nutrients from the soil come up into

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the plant, and the phylum is
the outer part where the energy from the

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the sun the photosynstitis comes down through
the plant the other way. So so

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in this vision, we were like
the down in the soil absorbing the nutrients

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from the ether. And then once
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model, I started to write about
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never found any gravitational phenomena that couldn't
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Wow, that that's pretty interesting.
When did this happen? When did

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you have this vision? Two thousand
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you had this vision and you started
writing a book. Then immediately no,

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no, I went into uh uh
it was not a really what I would

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call it a pretty uh situation.
Uh. It was kind of shock to

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my system. There was a couple
of years where I stopped. I wrote

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a comedy screenplay, and then eventually
I h I said, you know what,

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I better, you know, write
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courage up to write it down.
And then it was a giant, I

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won't say giant book, but I
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then I had to sort of peel
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because the stuff I wrote was about
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so I had a lot of stuff
I've already written about the biological the universe

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that I haven't published yet. But
I just thought, that's not highest priority

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is this ether gravity stuff. So
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all that I had written and self
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So I guess, for in layman
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gravity? Okay, so the ethers
the tiny little particles that I transmit light.

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I used to call it the luminiferous
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know, before Einstein came out with
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All the greatest scientists of the late
eighteen hundreds knew about the ether.

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You know, all the greatest scientists
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like you know Hurts, you know, Ampere, Faraday, J. J.

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Thompson, all these great scientists thought
there was an ether. Even Newton

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thought there was an ether. And
so this ether is there, and this

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empty space model that that Einstein came
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is invalid. You can't have I
mean, for instance, look at a

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black hole. A black hole is
a hole in. What is it a

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hole in? If there's nothing there
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have an empty space model. So
the ether model says basically, if you

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look at like, for instance,
the Solar system, you look at it

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like a whirlpool of where the matter
is absorbing ether. That's the one thing

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that drives the theory. Just like
the soil just not seeing the plant,

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the xionum absorbs the soil. Here
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So it's and the Earth is absorbing
the ether. So that as the ether

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is moving in and being absorbed,
its stretched base around it, and that

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stretching creates the force. So and
there's another thing that needs to be remembered.

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the ether has to be absorbed by

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the matter, and two the Bernoulli's
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like water through a pipe. As
the pipe tapers. If a pipe,

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you have a pipe with water flowing
through and then it tapers, the water

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speeds up. So as it speeds
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of the pipe, the flux has
to remain the same. So when the

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flux has to remain the same,
that means that the smaller part of the

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pipe, the water speeds up.
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goes down because those particles are separating. Just like ear over the wing of

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a plane. The particles separate the
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of the of the plane wing.
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pressure gives it the lift. So
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you know, with the flow of
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the earth, it's it's being stretched
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smaller volume. Because it's moving into
a smaller volume, this is going in.

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So those two principles really describe why
the theory works. Okay, So

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I'm a layman myself, so and
trying to understand this. So I guess

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would it be true then that gravity
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bodies have have more gravity. Would
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Right? And so would it be
kind of a thing where the ether then

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is kind of pushing down it is
gravity? Yeah? I mean yes,

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uh huh. And this is interesting
because I mean, we nobody understands gravity,

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right, that's because they don't understand
it because they've been using this empty

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space model. And I actually have
a theory about this. It's a conspiracy

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theory if you will will about Einstein. No scientist has ever been becoming like

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a rock star in the media and
publicity and all that like Einstein was.

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I think they put Einstein on a
peed oft on purpose because they wanted people

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to believe the empty space theory.
Because they knew that knowing about the ether

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was was important, and it was
dangerous and it could be used for weapons

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as a matter of national security,
all kinds of different reasons why they would

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They wouldn't want, you know,
important knowledge about the ether to be common

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knowledge. So entertaining this idea or
or exploring this for a minute. What

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sort of weapons could be created with
this knowledge? Well, if you're looking

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at an atomic bomb, that fusion, right or just say fission, you

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know, like atoms like scattering.
And I'm not a nuclear physicist, but

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you know an atom is a massive
amount of ether coming into it. You

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know if you if you assimilate that
to an ether particle on fission going on

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with ether particles, you might have
an even more power because you're talking tinier,

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tinier levels of space. Mhm.
I believe there's there's this, there's

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levels of space. My my theory
has led me to believe in nested black

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holes, so that because as the
light is coming into a black hole,

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it gets stretched until those magnetic vortices
that bond the ether particles are coming in

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and they break and then when they
when they break, they you can't see

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the light and the vibration separate too
far to transmit the light. But yeah,

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I talk about this in a Tesla
Tech convention. Uh and uh,

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and the it's in the my article
that I wrote on in the Extraordinary Extraordinary

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Technology magazine. But I'm sort of
getting off. You asked me, what

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sort of weapons. M h yeah, I can't really, I don't like

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to think in form of weapons.
Well, I'm just curious because Einstein,

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I mean, he said that he
became kind of a rockstar because he was

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he wasn't intelli. He said some
interesting things. I mean, he was

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very wise. There's sorts of great
quotes that came from him. And in

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practical sense, I mean, his
science led to the nuclear bombs, so

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his science was certainly very dangerous too. Well, I can't say this,

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Alejandro. The ether goes into the
Earth, It's absorbed into the Earth,

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right, So I mean feasibly you
could blow up an entire planet. I

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mean, you get a vibrating you
know, it's everything is everything is vibration

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and frequency. Right. So I
mean if you understan in the ether and

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how that the matter particles connect through
magnetic vortices in the ether, you know,

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and you understand all this, you
can create weapons that might destroy a

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whole planet. Is not good.
I mean you look at the asteroid belt

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that used to be a planet.
That could be the remnants of some great

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you know, stellar war that that
occurred. You know, I mean,

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art could have just blown up for
its own reasons. I talk about moon

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birth in my theory where the inner
core of the Earth is solid and it

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could have been birthed out of a
hotspot through super volcano. And there's a

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lot of evidence that I put into
my book on how the moon could have

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came from the center of Earth.
And it also aligns up with my biological

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00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:08.800
universe theory where the plant. You
have a plant and it sprouts a new

409
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:13.960
branch, Well, the moon could
be you know, like that new branch.

410
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.039
You know when you look at Jupiter, Jupiter has a lot of moons,

411
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.920
it could be that it is your
birth all those moons. This is

412
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:30.119
part of my biological universe theory.
Interesting. So when it relates to ancient

413
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:36.800
aliens, do you think then that
there is evidence or at least something that's

414
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:43.360
led you to believe that there were
people or beings on this planet that understood

415
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:52.159
the ether gravity. Yeah, because, for instance, if you look at

416
00:35:52.679 --> 00:36:01.440
prehistoric Malta, the Tarxian temples made
in thirty one hundred BC, you see

417
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:09.000
these limestone relief carvings and you see
four spirals and then you see a hole

418
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:14.840
at the center and in the midst
of all this relief carving. You see

419
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.360
tiny little dots, you know over
the radio. It's hard to show,

420
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:25.679
but this is a famous carving.
These tiny little dots to me represent the

421
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.199
particles, you know, to eat
the particles, and the four spirals are

422
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.199
in a formation where they would repel. So if you have a different inductance

423
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.840
between wires, if you run current
down two wires and the wires are going

424
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:44.559
the same way they attract, the
wires are going opposite ways, they repel.

425
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.039
So and you look at and use
the right hand rule to look,

426
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.639
it's like you're looking down the wires
of this carving. Then you see that

427
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:59.079
the formation of them are is is
in and out, in and out,

428
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:07.480
which is repelling. So this carving
hans and the center of it is a

429
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:13.719
space. Well, if you're stretching
space with magnetic feels and creating repelling like

430
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.920
that, you could actually create a
wormhole or a hole in space, and

431
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.800
then other space would want to fill
it in and that would be anti gravity

432
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.199
depending on the geometry that you used. So you think that might be an

433
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:36.880
indication that they knew how to utilize
anti gravity end or create some sort of

434
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.079
space time portal. Yeah, and
you see the same thing at the westray

435
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:55.119
Stone two to four thousand BC in
Scotland. You see four spirals and they're

436
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:01.639
configured such that it would be a
repelling situation with the magnetic fields. And

437
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.800
you see a hole in the center
of the four spirals in the Western Stone,

438
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.239
and there's other ones. I don't
have a complete list. But how

439
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.159
did these ancients know to carve this
stuff? And why can I look at

440
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.880
it now with my theory that I
wrote in the Handsomest Vision? Why can

441
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:30.960
I look at it now and immediately
see something that either means anti gravity or

442
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:37.000
a wormhole? So and where do
you suspect do you think that? I

443
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:43.760
mean, what do you feel about
how they received that technology or those ideas?

444
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.760
Well? I think ancient Aliens came
here, And you know, I

445
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:55.000
love the Ancient Aliens show and I've
seen probably every episode. But I think

446
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.719
they came here and they, as
they talk about on the show, they

447
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:07.000
used man to build stuff that they
wanted, like the pyramids. Pyramids of

448
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:15.920
Giza is like a giant machine that
points to Orion. And I think it's

449
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.719
obvious, like if you look at
Puma Punku, those h blocks, those

450
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.840
are amazing. You know that that
and a site. The only thing that

451
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:30.119
can cut that is diamond, and
you have they're cut to intricately in the

452
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.400
shape of those h's that they can't
figure out what that is. I saw

453
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:40.960
the the show on In Search of
Aliens with Georgio and they were talking about

454
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:47.159
the Roswell Rock, and the whole
show was trying to figure out whether the

455
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.400
rock was real. They found it
at the in Albuquerque. Some guy found

456
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:58.440
it near the Roswell crash site,
and anyway, they couldn't say that the

457
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:02.920
rock wasn't real, but they didn't
talk much about the symbol on the rock.

458
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.440
And I have this theory and I
presented at the Tesla Tech in twenty

459
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:15.320
fifteen just this August on what that
symbol means on the Roswell Rock. It's

460
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:22.880
it's I don't have a picture in
front of me here, but basically that's

461
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.400
the same idea as this magnetic feel
interaction that I was talking about earlier,

462
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.320
where you have the Roswell Rock.
If you look at it, you can

463
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:37.599
see it's two spinning objects and they're
colliding there, so they're going in opposite

464
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.559
directions. And when you have opposite
I'm sorry, when they go in the

465
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:46.280
same direction. You have a collation
in the center magnetically and if you look

466
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:52.320
at that, I think that's what
that means. Yeah, I think that

467
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.639
that symbol was originally seen in a
crop circle. Yeah, it's in the

468
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:02.639
crop circuit. M Yeah. So
interesting. So with the you know,

469
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:10.239
this this technology, if they had, you know, an understanding like you've

470
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.039
mentioned, how would you utilize like, do you know, you know kind

471
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:22.840
of generally, how one might utilize
that to hover or make a large rock,

472
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:28.360
you know, hover or something.
Yeah. There's a guy named ed

473
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:34.559
leaitskilln who built the Coral Castle in
the nineteen fifties actually very recently, and

474
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:42.320
he had the capability, he knew
the technology to levitate these rocks. And

475
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.400
it was the same technology that they
used in the you know, ancient times

476
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:52.719
to build Stonehenge and build the pyramids. Uh. He somehow had the secret.

477
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.639
And I bought his book, Magnetic
Current, that you can buy if

478
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.079
you go on the website. And
it's interesting. The first thing you read

479
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:09.039
in this book it says, when
you read this writing face east, which

480
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.880
you know catches you off guard when
when you buy a book, and it

481
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.199
says, when you read this face
east right, and I looked at the

482
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:22.880
book and it was a little pamphlet
in but one day I read it facing

483
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.360
east, and I swear to God, I got more out of that that

484
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.280
time than I had in the previous
times i'd looked at the book. But

485
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:38.079
he goes into details of you know, how to build certain equipment and use

486
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:43.199
the equipment and certain configurations, and
it's like a giant lab experiment the whole

487
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:49.039
book. So I can't say that
I learned how to live people's rocks from

488
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:53.760
that book, but I know that
what he does he puts. He puts

489
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.559
some like a box at the top. It's like a tripod I don't know,

490
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.840
ten twenty feet tall more. And
then he has a big box and

491
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:09.800
nobody knew what was in that box
at the top. So somehow vibrating the

492
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.920
stone, you vibrate the stone to
reduce its gravitational profile somehow, because everything

493
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:21.280
is vibration, and the ether is
coming into the earth, it's being stretched

494
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.119
and it's just like a guitar string. If you pull it tighter, it

495
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:30.559
vibrates faster. And this ether's being
stretched into the earth, it's being pulled

496
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:36.320
tighter it so it's vibrating faster and
you could be vibrant writing at the human

497
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.719
frequency, which is the resonant frequency
of the Earth about eight hertz. But

498
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.960
there's something going on there with that, and I can't say that I know

499
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.920
what it is. And if I
did know, I don't know if i'd

500
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.360
say publicly because I could start my
own power company with the seekert. Right,

501
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.960
you bring a rock up to the
you know, you vibrate a rock,

502
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.840
make it real light, you bring
it up, and then once it

503
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.000
gets heavy again, you let it
fall down. Generates power, right,

504
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:07.960
m hm. You got a billion
dollar idea there, So do you think

505
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.519
that's that's? I guess how would
that work? I mean, how would

506
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:24.880
just vibrating a rock make it hover
or gravity? Yeah, Lejandro, I

507
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.360
I don't know. I kind of
told you most of what I know.

508
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.079
I believe me. I think about
this stuff and I read things about it,

509
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.199
and I'm hoping that one day the
light bulb is going to go off.

510
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:45.400
But yeah, it's because of what
gravity is. You know, you

511
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:52.360
have the momentum of these particles coming
down and they have mass, you know,

512
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.800
but they also have a you know, frequency, Everything is a wave.

513
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:07.199
It has to come down to what's
the definition of force. Then you

514
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:12.440
can say, oh, forced ecles
mass times acceleration or force equals mass times

515
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:20.960
what is it G one G two
over our squared or the magnetic equation of

516
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:27.599
force. But when you look at
the full space model actually presented on this

517
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.960
I talked about the this is the
thing I came up with with the tidally

518
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:37.599
wink theory. And it's basically,
you look at the line from Star Wars,

519
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.519
let the force be with you,
right. So this tidally wink theory

520
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.559
that I came up with because I
was trying to describe why an object can

521
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.760
move through space if it's full right, If this full space can have the

522
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.880
force of gravity, then why can
an object move through full space without slowing

523
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:01.119
down? Right? And that was
the thing that I could not explain.

524
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.280
And what I'm not sure if it's
right, But I came up with this

525
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.199
thing I called the tatally Wink theory. I don't know if you ever played

526
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.079
tidly wins when you're a kid,
But you push down on something from behind

527
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.559
and I put it on a table
like a little plastic thing, and you

528
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.800
push down and it pops and squirts
out. You know, you try to

529
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.239
land it into the jar. Some
people might not know what tinleywinks are.

530
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:30.239
But so the concept is once you
start something in motion through the ether,

531
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.480
that it has a resistance from the
front. But then space is so compact

532
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.480
that that it creates a vacuum from
behind when it when it does so,

533
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.320
and then stuff moves in to fill
that vacuum from behind, because there can't

534
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.719
be a vacuum right And when it
moves in and fill the vacuum from behind,

535
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.559
it creates an equal and opposite force
as was the resistance from the front.

536
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:01.119
That's that's what I call the tadlelywink
effect. So it's just the theory.

537
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.800
There's no experimount proof except every day. You know, when you do

538
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.360
anything, you create a force.
You're creating electricity. Basically, when you

539
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:15.679
create a force because you're you're electricity. Is the flow of ether. Basically

540
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:22.320
our solar system is as we're spinning
around the Sun, that's a giant current

541
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.280
of ether. You know, is
the the from west to east on the

542
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.559
Earth is the is the ether moves
from west to east with the Earth as

543
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:37.599
is being sucked down in that's a
current. So it's a flow of space.

544
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.800
And when you do anything, if
you just wave your hand in the

545
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.480
air like I'm doing now. You
can't see it. That's creating electricity because

546
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.599
you're you're creating a flow of ether. You're creating a vacuum and then immediately

547
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.400
gets filled. You know, the
space is so compact. That's why light

548
00:47:53.519 --> 00:48:01.920
moves so fast, because it's so
compact when it comes to like the box

549
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:09.719
with the coral castle, and he
wrote a book about it, has anybody

550
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:15.159
to your knowledge, it doesn't seem
like anybody has been able to reproduce what

551
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:22.920
he allegedly did. Yeah, I
haven't seen any thing about anybody producing it.

552
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.719
I know kids, Uh, some
kids saw him. Uh he would

553
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:37.400
work at night and some I heard
that some kids saw him moving rocks around

554
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:46.599
like they were air balloons, like
helium balloons. So you know, nobody

555
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:51.039
has that I know, has ever
reproduced. I know people have tried mm

556
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.119
hmm and that. But you know
that must have been the secret that those

557
00:48:53.440 --> 00:49:01.239
ancients have when they built the pyramids
and and all these other giant stones around

558
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.960
the world. You know, one
hundred tons stones, I think is uh

559
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:13.239
the maybe I don't know what stone
that is. But then I'm not a

560
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.000
great historian, so I can't tell
you. So is that what the does

561
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.079
a book? Your book? Uh? What does it cover? Mostly?

562
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:30.440
My book on ether gravity is is
really a book on physics sort of,

563
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:34.400
but it's written for the late person. I don't have any math in here.

564
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:43.199
I actually have the book in front
of me here. So is to

565
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.679
list off a few things. You
know, the theory of gravitation, the

566
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:52.880
shape of gravity, ether flow and
speed, ether pressure and density, eastward

567
00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:00.679
gravity, mass and ether, light
and radiation in the ether, inductance in

568
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.559
the ether, ether inside the Earth, the supernova, and the ether bubble.

569
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.079
So we didn't talk about that.
That's a it's a good topic of

570
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:15.519
black hole theory, anti gravity,
the time descriptor, gravitational lensing, and

571
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.760
Schnell's laws. So I go in
and I look at the Schnell's law,

572
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.920
pioneer anomaly, alias effect, Coriolis
effect, play, tectonics, and I

573
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:28.800
can explain them all the way with
the with the ether theory, I talk

574
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:34.760
about why the Michelson Morley theory failed, the Pound RebC experiment. I talked

575
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:43.239
about the Hafeketing experiment, the Hubble
constant, the Big Bang, general relativity,

576
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:50.880
special relativity, and I say that
Einstein is the new Ptolemy, because

577
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:58.840
Ptolemy propounded the geocentric model for three
hundred years, and they kept getting more

578
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:04.159
and more advanced, like kept trying
to explain the orbits of the planets with

579
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.000
these little loops by, you know, because they wanted to insist that the

580
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.239
Earth was at the center. And
that's what's going on with this empty space

581
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:15.280
stuff is these theorists, these guys
graduate with PhDs and they go and try

582
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.800
to work with the empty space model
and they come up with all these strange

583
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:25.599
descriptions and complex mathematics that nobody can
understand. And you know, it's not

584
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:32.039
right. It's just not right.
You can't have an empty space. Well,

585
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.880
they teach the photon emission theory of
light, where they say the light

586
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:44.480
source emits photons. Right, Really, the light source is immersed in photons

587
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:49.760
if you call photons ether particles,
and that light source is creating a vibration

588
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.000
in the space around it, in
the ether in the photon. See that

589
00:51:54.039 --> 00:52:00.400
it's immersed in and it vibrates it. That's what you see is light,

590
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:06.119
you're not. They talk about the
photon emission theory, which is completely wrong.

591
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.840
So you mentioned earlier about the supernova
thing, and that that was an

592
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:19.480
interesting topic. Yeah, it is
because if you look at the volume of

593
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.559
a sphere and you imagine that it's
immersed in the sea of ether and that

594
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:30.119
it's absorbing the space around it.
Right, So what happens is a geometry

595
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:36.320
thing, because the volume of sphere
is four thirds pire cubed, but the

596
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.920
area surface area of the sphere is
four pi r square, so you have

597
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.360
a factor of our difference. What
happens I believe, and if you look

598
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:52.400
at super novas and black holes you
should believe it too, is that the

599
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:58.360
ether cannot get to the center.
It runs out of ether that it is

600
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:04.519
absorbing because it is the thing that's
absorbing. The ether gets too big,

601
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.800
too massive. Now suddenly you reach
a point where it cannot reach the center.

602
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.679
And at that point you basically have
no light because you can't have vibration

603
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.880
of the ether, which is light. So there is about the I believe

604
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.960
the sub ether gets through, and
the sub ether I believe, can transmit

605
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:31.000
super light, which is way way
faster than the light. Mhmm. Well,

606
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.000
like if you look at the inner
core of the Earth, right,

607
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:39.079
it's supposed to be solid. They've
they've determined this through seismic events on the

608
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:42.960
surface of the Earth, the P
waves and the S waves, that they

609
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.239
can somehow tell that there's an outer
liquid magma outer core of the Earth,

610
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:52.039
and there's an inner solid core.
How can you have a solid and a

611
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:59.079
core in the middle of boiling hot
lava around it? In the outer core,

612
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.320
it wouldn't melt, right, say, it's too dense, you know,

613
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:05.239
it just doesn't milk because it's too
dense. Well, I think what

614
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:09.119
it tells us is that the ether
is not getting to the core because the

615
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:15.920
ether is the medium to transmit heat. So this backs up my theory,

616
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:22.119
and and it explains the inner core, I think, And if you it

617
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:27.840
also explains plate tectonics from the west
to east. If you imagine this orth

618
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.239
the spinning west to east. Right, you're riding in a river of ether

619
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.760
from west to east right now and
Phoenix, we're going seven hundred miles an

620
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.480
hour from west to east. The
ether is above ground and below ground as

621
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:44.519
it goes west to east. But
eventually, because it's a whirlpool of ether,

622
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.960
it will be going faster from west
to east as it gets closer to

623
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.840
the center of the Earth, so
that makes a sort of a tension or

624
00:54:52.880 --> 00:55:00.519
a friction between the layers which create
can create the heat and if plane plate

625
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:07.440
tectonics too, okay, and it
explains the Choreolis effect as well. Where

626
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.800
we see in the northern hemisphere you
see counterclockwise hurricanes. In the southern hemisphere

627
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:19.280
you see clockwise hurricanes because at the
gravity is the strongest at the equator,

628
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.440
as the Earth is spinning, and
as that motion, it's like more stretching

629
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:30.079
of space that around the equator,
so things will come to rest in that

630
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.880
plane. Like look at Saturn and
Saturn's rings. Saturn's rings are flat.

631
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.320
Why are they flat? Why are
spiral galaxies flat? Because that's the center

632
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:45.360
of rotation, and this is the
object rotates the ether, it's spinning with

633
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.360
it. It's like that thing I
talked about with the plane wing or the

634
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:55.559
pipe and the water going through it. It's moving faster along the plane of

635
00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:01.719
rotation. So as it's moving faster, that creates lesser pressure, just like

636
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:07.840
the particle stretch to you know,
over the wing of a plane, it's

637
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:14.519
basically creating lift. It's an electromagnetic
lift, and things come to rest in

638
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:22.760
that plane. So are there any
practical applications of your theories that maybe can

639
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:28.199
demonstrate it. Or for example,
if if if they had these technologies and

640
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:34.960
they were able to use them in
the past, shouldn't anyone with knowledge be

641
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:43.480
able to reproduce or at least apply
these theories to even make something small hover

642
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:49.719
or or create a portal like they
might have been doing in the past that

643
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:58.840
you feel they're doing in these images. I don't know, you know,

644
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.360
it be that the men in black
are snuffing out anybody who comes close to

645
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:09.119
the prize. You know, I
don't know where this technology went. Somewhere

646
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:17.159
along the way, the technology was
lost and you know, it doesn't make

647
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:27.280
sense why the technology was lost,
but it's lost. But well, but

648
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:32.719
you hope to to find it again. Yeah, I hope to be able

649
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:43.119
to design an anti gravity device using
this to theory or knowledge, because you

650
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:47.840
can't and you know, you're somewhere
in the government they have anti gravity devices.

651
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.960
You know, there's all kinds of
conspiracy theories about that, the Nazi

652
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:59.320
bell and all that. But what
I think is you cannot create an anti

653
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:06.000
gravity device until you fully understand gravity. So that's where I'm coming in from.

654
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:10.760
This is just you know, fully
understanding. I think, you know,

655
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:15.039
driving an hour in a car each
way, waiting in traffic across Phoenix

656
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.679
for fifteen years, you know,
forced me to want to have a car

657
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.599
that goes up and over and out
of the traffic. I want to be

658
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:30.800
able to put a garage door on
the ceiling of my garage. You know,

659
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.320
if I go to New York and
I go on vacation, I forget

660
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.639
my toothbrush. I want to be
able to, you know, fly back

661
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:42.719
in five minutes and get my toothbrush
in my anti gravity machine. And do

662
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.519
you think you're have you begun that
or do you think you're close to being

663
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:52.599
able to begin to work on some
kind of prototype of a device. Yeah,

664
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.639
I'm in the theory stage now.
You know. It would help if

665
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:00.559
I, you know, had some
funding and stuff. I just you know,

666
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:05.679
I worked full time as a software
engineer, so you know, when

667
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.599
I do, I do in my
in my free time. I was just

668
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:15.159
waiting for the light bulb to go
off, you know, I think about

669
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.239
this stuff. I used to think
about it in my truck a lot when

670
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.360
I was driving work. You know, that was my think tank. I

671
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.079
was like thinking about the stuff when
I was tying my shoes. Any time

672
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:27.679
during the day when I was just
like you, brushing your teeth, or

673
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.119
when I'm picking up the dishes or
something like that, you can think about

674
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.760
stuff, you know, you know, instead of just thinking about worrying about

675
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.119
your bills or something. You know. I was thinking about this theory,

676
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.760
you know, and I made great
advancements just by constantly thinking about it.

677
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.000
You know. They said Einstein was
not really smarter than the other people.

678
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:51.199
He was just able to focus on
the same problem for a long long time.

679
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.800
And that's sort of where what I've
been doing here. I'm trying not

680
00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:00.159
to, you know, drop the
ball. I'm just trying to keep moving

681
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.480
forward and forward all the time.
So what is the next step for you?

682
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.639
Are you're going to write another book
or are you going to begin to

683
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:15.639
work on applying your theories. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to take the biological

684
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:22.679
universe stuff that I wrote before and
get it cleaned up, edited and ready

685
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:36.000
for publication. So I'm doing that. I'm also designing. I'm trying to

686
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:40.599
design a that's kind of silly,
but I went to the Tesla Tech conference

687
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.679
and these guys had built these things
that were thirty dollars with their own money,

688
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.519
you know, and I thought,
you know, it doesn't have to

689
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.360
be that hard, that expensive,
you know. So what I want to

690
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:57.559
do is design something small, like
a toy, you know, start out

691
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.599
with a toy. The technology that
needs to be in the forty anti gravity

692
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.159
doesn't have to be big. You
know. Everyone thinks it's gotta be big.

693
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.679
I don't think it has to That
makes sense. Well cool, Well,

694
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.039
thank you very much for joining us
today. Yeah, thank you,

695
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:21.679
Elejandra. I really really appreciate this. I hope my message gets out there.

696
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.119
Do you can find my book at
Amazon dot com? Spoke Anti Gravity

697
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:30.880
Mike Twitchell, and do you have
a website? Yeah, Mike Twitchell dot

698
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:37.880
com. Okay, all right,
great. Also, my article is being

699
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:43.480
published on a Science to Stage dot
com. Okay. Article that I wrote

700
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:50.079
is he's out there, what's going
to be out there? And that's about

701
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:55.079
it. You know. I spoke
at the Tesla Tech conference in Albuquerque the

702
01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:04.199
last two years and those DVDs are
available on the Tesla website. And that's

703
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.599
about it. All right, great, well thanks again, Okay, thanks,

704
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:12.360
bub appreciate it. All right,
Well, thank you so much to

705
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:17.039
Mike Twitchell for doing the show with
us. Kind of interesting stuff. So

706
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.679
if you're interested in this, go
look him up. Go google Ether Gravity,

707
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.840
which is his book, and that
is spelled A E T H E

708
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:34.599
R Gravity, and that is Michael
Holt Twitchell, and Twitchell is just kind

709
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:38.000
of how it sounds t w I
C H E l L. So check

710
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:45.880
him out if you aren't interested in
this sort of thing. And thank you

711
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.760
so much to Martin for being able
to take time. It's really laid out

712
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.599
there too. It's like, you
know, hours and hours later. Even

713
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.159
though it's the early afternoon right now
here, you know, it's like middle

714
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.679
of the night there. So thanks
so much much Schamartin for joining us and

715
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:07.360
talking news with us all the way
from Russia. Really cool. Thank you

716
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.199
all for listening. And remember the
UFO Congress coming up. We're almost done

717
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.039
with the early registration so or super
early bird, because it's still a few

718
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:22.480
months out for the conference, so
super early bird registration ends at the end

719
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:27.559
of this month, so just a
little more than a week away. So

720
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.679
if you want to go to the
conference at the cheapest price you can go,

721
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:36.719
then go register right now, and
you know, what I'm just gonna

722
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:42.239
say it, guys. And you
know, our conference, even at once,

723
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.519
the super early bird is over,
to be honest, costs less than

724
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:52.679
every other conference, well most other
conferences out there, the vast majority.

725
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:58.159
And we're like the only one that's
longer than the weekend. We're five days,

726
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:02.119
and we keep the price slower.
And here's why. It was the

727
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:09.559
owners before us and our philosophy that
if we keep the conference as affordable as

728
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:14.800
possible, more people will be able
to come. And it's worked. And

729
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:19.719
so it's frustrating because when I advise
other conferences, I tell them keep the

730
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:24.199
price slow. You can't overprice yourself. First of all, we want to

731
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.000
share this information with people, so
we don't want to outprice ourselves. Plus,

732
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.800
if you're afraid of losing a bunch
of money, it's better to have

733
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:32.599
more people than less. You're going
to be able to make more money,

734
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.239
and you're going to be able to
at least break even, which is our

735
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.519
goal. I mean, we don't
make a whole lot of money, guys.

736
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.480
Our company does not break even.
I've told you guys this before.

737
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:45.719
Luckily, my boss does not mind
spending money to get the word out there.

738
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:51.280
And keep us running. So conferences
are a tough tough thing. But

739
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:57.760
still, you know, we do
do better than break even at the conference,

740
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:01.440
and because we keep the prices low. So I'm going to the Moufon

741
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:06.320
Symposium this weekend. It's only a
weekend long, less than you know,

742
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:12.840
a dozen speakers. We have more
speakers, and we cost less. So

743
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.159
it's a fact. I'm just stating
the facts. But hopefully for some of

744
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:20.440
you going to the Mofin Symposium in
Irvine, California, it's gonna be a

745
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:26.760
lot of fun. I'm so excited
to see people out there, so come

746
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.280
and say hi. We're going to
have a table out there and come by

747
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.559
and say hello. We also have
some new T shirts. We'll bring some

748
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:36.159
out but I'm going to have those
posted on the website this week. So

749
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:41.960
some cool new open mind T shirts. We also have the same philosophy on

750
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.960
our website. You know, our
DVDs for our lectures are less than anybody

751
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:51.079
else selling DVDs because especially a DVD, you can't charge people twenty twenty five

752
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.719
bucks for those that's that's creety,
that's a lot of money. So we

753
01:05:55.880 --> 01:06:00.239
charge you what ten bucks, fifteen
dollars for the ones from the most most

754
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.519
recent events. So and these T
shirts we're gonna have priced really well too.

755
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:06.800
I haven't gotten them up. I
can't remember offhand right now what we're

756
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:12.159
gonna price them. But trust me, I'm a T shirt aficionado. I

757
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.519
don't like paying more than you know. A lot of T shirts are thirty

758
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.000
dollars more. I don't like paying
that much. In fact, I think

759
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:24.000
we're gonna try to price theres much
lower than that, So check that out.

760
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.280
But yeah, check out the Congress. We've got a lot of great

761
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:31.800
speakers. We're posting more on the
website every day. Also, of course,

762
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.000
the news that Martin and I talked
about is at open mindstat tv.

763
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:42.480
We have a new UFO report out
where we interview Lee Spiegel about those Russian

764
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:48.480
videos. You can see those Russian
videos and other interesting UFO videos on our

765
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:53.320
YouTube site, and you can also
find that at open mindstat tv. So

766
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.800
check it all out. Thank you
all so much for being here. I

767
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.119
believe even though we have the symposium, I'm gonna try my best to make

768
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.239
sure that we still have a show
next week. Whether or not I accomplish

769
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:08.119
that, I'm not certain because this
will be a short week because we'll be

770
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:13.519
traveling out there to California, so
hopefully we'll see you out there. Otherwise,

771
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.800
thank you to Caleb Hanks for the
glorious music, the wonderful music that

772
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.280
we play in the Open and Close. You can find a link to his

773
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:29.320
clerk chronicles at the radio page at
Openminds dot tv. Thank you to Martin

774
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:38.559
and podcast UFO. Thank you to
the National Atomic Museum that had me speak

775
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.320
And if you haven't seen that Area
fifty one exhibit, you've got to check

776
01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:45.360
it out. And you got to
check out their Atomic Testing Museum section.

777
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:53.119
I mean, talk about a first
class museum exhibit. It is awesome.

778
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:58.239
But thank you to you guys for
listening. We'll hopefully have a show next

779
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.880
week and we'll hopefully see some of
you move on, but until then,

780
01:08:02.239 --> 01:09:05.000
adios, move turtles, MO shoming
sound. The glass t is verering on my second