Hello, everyone. You are listening to a brand new giant bomb podcast.
That's right, this is a podcast that is called Jeff Jeff's Bizarre Adventure.
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we are joined by I'm gonna introduce the known quantities. First, we've got
Jeff back a lot of Jeff Jeff's Bizarre Adventure fame. How you d Hello?
How are you? It's Jeff. We've got Lucy James. And then
we've got the one and only you know him, you love him. It's
ipatch Wolf, superipatch Wolf aka John. How you doing, man? I'm
good. I can promise you that there are definitely people who do not love
me. Oh okay, well, no one here will see how it goes.
Of course, if you don't know John, not to put you on
the spot. But obviously we know you. We've been talking with you a
bunch of times. You've been on a bunch of games, but things which
were amazing and I we're all huge fans of the stuff that you do.
But for people who might not know what you do, can you tell us
who you are what you're up to. Well, I basically I make YouTube
videos and I put them online and it's mainly just about it used to be
like very animated incident, but now it's kind of just like whatever I find
interesting. I recent did a video about Garfield, which at some point also
kind of turned into being about like I guess, depression and mental health.
And I don't know how that gradient slided one from from one to the other,
it sure did, And yeah, it's it's really awesome and very strange
to be doing a Joe Joe's Bizarre Adventure podcast with Giant Bomb. Not quite
sure the path I took to get here, but I'm I'm pretty happy about
it. So yeah, yeah, same. I mean, like for a
little bit behind the scenes and maybe Jeff you can talk about this like we
we were back in the when we were kind of like spit balling ideas for
new Giant Bomb stuff that we could bring in. I think like we were
like we need to do something with by Patch Wolves, Pipe Patch Wolf.
Yeah, it just because like we're massive fans and it turned out to be
way easier than we expected, and then we like sat down over a bunch
of meetings and just came up with the idea for this podcast. Right.
It was it was a situation where we knew we had to get to the
end of this place where we're collaborating in a meaningful way, and it was
like, Hey, if it's going to come down to me actually watching an
entire anime series makes this happen, then that's what we're going to do.
And here we are, and it couldn't be happier. So for people who
may be longtime fans of Giant Bomb and consumed a lot of content, you
will naturally know that anime is something that kind of simmers in the Giant Bomb
community, and it kind of also and in terms of content coverage is kind
of simmering there as well. The biggest thing that a lot of people will
know is All Systems Goku, which is something that we are all huge fans
off. Well, John and I definitely are fans off. I don't think
Lucy and Jeff have seen an episode of dragon Ball in their lives, but
hey, I've seen a couple when I was a kid, But my dad
got rid of Cartoon Networks of WHOA, Yeah, how do you do that?
Just canceled. It just canceled. He was like no, he was
like, I'm not letting anime take another one. He watched one episode of
watched one episode of dragon Ball. It's just like, not not from my
children, No ban this zick filth. So with that in mind, we
decided, what if we did something in that vein but for something else,
another series that is perhaps a little more wild and weirder, And then brought
in two people who are one not super into anime and too definitely haven't seen
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and did it, So show about that, and that is
what you're currently listening to. So for an overview or where we're at in
terms of experience, John, what's your experience with Jojo? I mean,
I've I've consumed nearly all of Jojo. I've been reading it for oh,
probably close to a decade now, I've watched all the anime, currently in
the middle of part six. I don't even want to give too much details
about my specific feelings about Jojo because I think just unraveling what this show is
and the directions it goes is going to be a huge part of the joy
of this podcast, and I really don't want to spoil a thing. I'm
so I am. Everyone knows her, or like people that know me.
I'm a big anime boy. Jojo is one of my blind spots in that
I've definitely seen a bunch of it, but never start to finish. Jojo
has always been and I've read bits pieces of it. I've always just been
like, what's going on? What you know? Check in with Jojo?
Watching episode Hero there? See watch a scene Hero there. I've never watched
it start to finish, so I have some awareness of it, but my
anime literacy is high. My Jojo literacy is low, Lucy, I've never
seen it before doing the homework for this episode. I am aware of the
memes in particular, there's a big trend on TikTok why people do the jojo
like lean and I'm obviously aware of the to be continued because there was a
time in the UK office where we did a lot of those. We started
to even make some. But other than that, I mean like the Weirdly
enough, there's an actual part of my Twitch streams which involves that to be
continued meme where people who are watching can redeem points and at any moment it
starts the roundabout moment, and we'll do the zoom as well, and so
like I have to manually zoom it though, so like people wait for me
to fight like a hard dog souls boss and then redeem it and you can
start hearing the notes of roundabout coming. So in the middle of it,
I have to be like, shit, Jeff, where you're at with it?
Oh? Okay, So I don't I don't know. I mean,
I don't know anything I know, so I would just by doing what I
do, I'm probably ahead of the majority of people in the sort of zeyegeist
of like the anime energy. Like I feel like I just absorb that information
through osmosis just being involved in video games for so long. But when it
comes down to like the hard truth of it all, aside from like and
and most people don't even consider like an Eon Flux to be like traditional anime,
I guess like that was That's the only cartoon that I've seen, the
whole thing of that is not a typical you know, sort of like American
cartoon you're talking about. No, I'm talking about the the MTV cartoon gotcha.
So outside of that, you've never watched like an anime like Beginning to
end before. I've never never seen a Kira. I've never seen Uh.
Yeah, I'm not gasping because that's a bad thing. I'm gasping because I'm
excited, Like, yeah, I'm just this touch yeah versus, this is
incredible. I'm so excited. So growing up when I so when I was
in college, Adult Swim like was just starting on Cartoon Network, and I
was like big aquitine guy. I loved all that stuff. Saturdays is when
they did, like the tsunami thing, when they would do anime, and
I just it just didn't speak to me. I assumed it wasn't for me.
It just didn't like there was no like peering into that for me.
For whatever reason, I you know, probably was playing video games, you
know, needed time for that too. So yeah, I have a huge
blind spot for that. That said, now that I'm three episodes sinst the
Joe Joe's I understand immediately the language it's speaking, not Japanese. I'm saying
these sort of like cues and the sort of like you know, the notions,
and I come to realize, like, oh, this is I'm reading
a comic book through a cartoon with like the way it sort of like encapsulates
cliffhangers and that little logo like this is very much episodic comic book. So
I'm ingesting it. I know what I'm doing, and it feels very natural
in a way I wasn't expecting for sure. Having Jojo as your first start
to finish anime is the equivalent of drinking squash without diluting it first. So
I am very very excited to see what kind of journey that takes you on.
In terms of formatting of this podcast, we're playing it fairly loose and
you might find it's a bit scatter shot for a little bit were our approach
was let's just sit down and have a conversation about this stuff. So we
do have kind of an idea of the structure. We want to do a
recap and then give our general thoughts along the way, but it might evolve
over time. So if you're listening to this and you like it, or
if there's something that you like something you dislike, just let us know in
the comments, or if you have any tips or tweaks you want us to
make and we'll read that stuff, and there's no promises that we will take
it on board, because you know, this is our show. We do
what we want. But yeah, we hey bet you start your own God
damn Joe Joe. Well we just say three, like we were going to
watch three episodes per yes, podcast episodes, So three episodes per per podcast
episode is the current plan. And as it stands, we're committing to season
one of the show, and depending on how it goes from there, we
will either come back. If you like it a lot and it does Gangbusters
and everyone's like, please bring it back the Joe Joe Show. We need
more ipertual. If we need more Lucy and Jeff talking about this stuff,
then we'll do it. If it's like and we also got working, like
the elephant is, the room is in the room is. We're all busy.
John makes amazing videos that take a lot of time and effort and research
and require physical and mental energy. We'll all have gay jobs as well.
There are various other things, and so we have to balance a lot of
things to make it work. But you've got one season from us at the
very least, and we encourage you to watch along and you know, be
careful about spoiling stuff in the future and the comments, because it's going to
be hopefully a bunch of people that decided to come on the journey with us.
So with that in mind, I'm going to kick it over the John
who's going to be our guide the Bizarre Advent World of Jojo. Yeah,
so I think I think before we like dive into the first thing, I
just want to have like a very I guess Jeff, I had a question
for you. When do you think that the comic this started? Oh,
that's a that's a good question. Is this is a good question because Joe
to me, I thought it was Actually I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna
say anything, going Okay, I don't know why I'm basing this on nothing.
I have a feeling there's a bit of a gap between the cartoon and
the comic. I have no idea basing that on. I would say early
two thousands, So you think the comics started in the early two thousands.
Yeah, the first chapter of the comic was released in nineteen eighty seven,
so it's course that makes more sense to me. Yes, Okay, this
this series is old and it's still going like, so are you saying that
therefore I am old because I was born before nineteen eighties. We're really starting
this off on a bed. I am also calling myself old. Yeah,
I'm the same age as Jojo, so oh nice ye, which is interesting.
I am slightly older, doesn't It doesn't matter how much? How okay,
I feel like, okay, I'm ethereal and do not age. It's
true. But yeah, this is a really interesting one to start out on
because, like, JoJo's influenced so much, Like this is going to be
the kind of thing where I think you guys will watch other things and be
like, oh wait, they're they're doing the Jojo thing. And that's one
of the reasons it's so fun and it's very unique. As I'm sure the
three of you have have gathered so far, it's like there's there's nothing else
really like Joe Joe's And a lot of that is even just down to the
just tone of it. But I guess, like I am just really curious
to get a very general like feeling or impression. How are you guys feeling
after three episodes? Who wants to go first? I'll let you guys should
go first. I feel like Jeff has wanted to say than me. I
like have a bigger anime knowledge than certainly Jeff, but definitely not on the
level of John and Tam. But like I was really into it. I
was very sad when I had to stop, because like, I don't want
to watch a ton of it in one girl, because I'll forget you.
So I'm like giving it to myself piecemeil. It's also one of the weirdest
things I've ever loved. But it's so and I think TAM's message wait,
let me let me read tamanized exchange from last night. When I was watching
it, I was on my side of it. I was putting off watching
it for as long as possible because I knew that once I started, I
was going to have such a lovely time with it again. And I did
that yesterday, and I was like, the same way I was, like,
I remember watching this for the first time, and it hits in the
same way as it did when I first watched it. So I had a
couple of white clothes at this point, Like this is about six pm.
I texted Chaw's done Jojo time to achieve replied enjoy me. Half an hour
later, what the fuck is this guy's problem? Then later on just finished
episode one, I thought we were all joking about round about, but I
guess not. And then the next the next stuff I talk about it was
like from episode two onwards. But I I immediately just have like such a
watching the first episode, I had such a dislike of Deo, but I
didn't have a complete love of Jojo yet. We could talk about like you
know, characters and stuff, but I feel, I don't know, I
still I I can't get over Joe Joe star fucking Dio Brando. The names
were the first thing that like, what are these names? What are the
names? But the fact that it's said were England only. Starting with the
names, yeah, like now I expect anything. The fact that it's said
in England in like the eighteen hundreds, I was not anticipating at all.
And then it's just the way that it kind of seems to be this sort
of weird slice of life, you know, coming of age thing, and
you know, you have the protagonists, then you have this guy who comes
along just to fuck up his life, and then it I can't remember this
was like episode one or not, but just like then it goes into insane
fight sequences and just over the top, and I love that you're getting though
their internal monologues. And then as soon as I saw that mask, I
was like, oh, yeah, it's gonna go someplaces. So I was
really enjoying it. It's going to be vampires from episode I had no idea
what that scores. But then part of me was like, oh, you
know, in my head not to go to the comic and the Gym Carey
movie. But I was like, yeah, that mask is gonna it's gonna
suck some shut up. But it's hard to distill your thoughts about it in
just like such a general way, but I dug it. It has this
real zany quality and I think maybe zany is the word I'm reaching for because
I've been playing a lot of yakers are recently, so I'm very much in
this frame where I just want things to be earnest and silly, which is
what I think. Yeah, because it is and what I yeah, And
like, you know, the lead character is also a complete himbo, which
I adore, so yeah, it's it's ticking a lot of he is an
absolute himbo. And we'll talk about the muscles Layer, but like I'm digging
it. It's ticking a lot of boxes to me, a so so yes.
I the reason to go back why I thought it was maybe earlier two
thousands was because all of a sudden, this vampirical angle enters the show and
I'm like, oh, this was when vampires were hot. Do you think
it was a Twilight thing? No, but like it's just part of the
zeitgeist in a way where you're like, oh, this is just a vampire
thing, Brando aldert ear exactly. They all belong to this same era time.
I love the idea of having like the famous vampires of that era and
having like Culin and Blade and then just fucking Deod, just people like who
the fuck is that animated guy? Look, the show's fucking weird, and
it's weird because it and I don't know if this is all anime. It
gets categorized into this into these sort of like slots, but like there are
no emotional middle grounds. It is always one extreme or another, and that
is like it makes it so strange to watch because these people have their highest
highs and lowest lows in the in a matter of twenty seconds. This is
like it's a turn based cartoon where like people take turns, exchanging these like
wildly dramatic moments, but they're fucking standing right in front of each other and
they're just sort of like letting time pass. And it's like, no,
motherfucker, you can. You can slice someone's head off right now, Just
move, just do it. Stop standing still. Genuinely love How long I've
been into anime, which is most of my life, and I have never
heard the words turn based cartoons. That's what it is. Fantastic, it's
like and so much time passes. The first two episodes cover seven years.
Seven years go by, and everyone Joe Joe's like, odd, oh,
the Deo is bast this son of a bitch. What he's like, I've
been waiting for seven years to fuck your world up. I'm waiting patiently like
a psychopath. Why is everyone so big? I mean, he's got some
he's got some bad ideas, But I mean, is he a bad guy?
I mean yeah, Deo is a is empirically an evil. I feel
like he's judgment personally, the first stone kind of thing. You know.
Well, look, yes, fine, I get okay, don't I don't
know where you're going with that. But like, let me, let me,
let me stretch this one out a little bit. So Dio's father,
right, the Brando Dio is that? Yeah? Right, Dario Dario brand
I'm sorry, Dario Dio. Brando is their last name. Yeah, Dario
Brando. Dio's dad, the guy with like four teeth and he's always crazy
screaming. Right. What explained to me why Dio all of a sudden is
like, yo, every like I am devoting my life to destroying JoJo's life
just because of like I don't get them. Like to me, his motivation
is very hazy, So I don't think his motivation is like to destroy JoJo's
life off the bat, I think his motivation is to inherit the Joe Star
fortune, and Jojo is like an obstacle in that, so he's just collateral
damage to kind of like get to the recap part of the episode. So
the first episode is called Dio the Invader, and it's set in England in
eighteen sixty eight. And the important part is right from the outset is we're
introduced to a bunch of characters, including Dario Brando. And is it George
Joe Star, Yeah, I think George George yah, yeah, and there's
been a carriage cry and the Joe stars are in a rough spot. You
can hear like a baby crying and Dario is there with his wife. And
Dario is there just basically robbing these rich people. There's rich aristocrats, like
he's seen them crash and he's like, time to time to get mine.
Yeah, He's like, so from the outset, you know what kind of
people the Brandos are, at least from the father's side. And George,
being slightly naive, which might come up in his lineage, is thinks that
Dario is trying to help them and save them and just decides to pledge a
like an oath of taking care of the Brandos for this, for this in
a misunderstanding, he completely misinterprets the situation. I mean, yeah, he
wakes up and he's being looted practically well, the ring is being slid off
his finger. He's like, well, this could only be positive. Yeah,
He's like, looks like you're trying to rescue me. Uh no,
you're getting robbed. So that's what's happening. My favorite thing is in this
thing is one of the things that I love in Jojo currently is the evil
people look obviously evil, like the most evil, like you look as face
and you're like, you're an evil person. It's the same with deal as
well. But like and then the naive and the good people look very good
looking if you're very innocent looking. I mean when we get to Arena,
like just the pure purity just radiates off. But then you've got Dario's dad
and it's like, what can we do, what can we do to make
it clear that this guy is an absolute scumbag. I do just love how
hard this episode goes on making Deo a bad guy. Like there's not even
a hint of gray. It's just from the moment he steps off the wagon
and so he as step off. That's incorrect, it's actually incorrect. And
he bounces and yeah, he prans, he like springs out. He explodes
into the world from so and when he lands, there's like circular dust that
like somehow forms underneath him. And like you said, they waste no time
before he's motherfucking upper cutting a dog in the face. And and that's a
dog being JoJo's JoJo's dog. Why is Danny? That's the thing that I
don't guess. It's a nice English Danny, come home, Danny. To
be fair. I do enjoy when animals have human names. I think it's
very sweet. But Danny, Danny the dog is a new one for me.
My dog is called Montgomery, Great, tiny little for a Jack Russell.
So the important thing there is from that first opening scene is George says
to Deal, the Joe Stars will never forget our debt to you, so
effectively the Joe Stars are indebted to the Brandos. And then twelve years later,
Joe Joe's out there playing with with his dog Danny, and Dario is
sick, and we get seen where Dario reveals his sick and we're introduced to
Deal as a character as well, and then they spend a bit of time
showing the contrast between their lives. So we see Jojo living in luxury and
he's spoiled and he's wolfing down his food and all that kind of business,
and meanwhile Deal is like just impoverished from the streets. He beats someone in
chess and then gets his ass swooped for it, and that's the kind of
contrast between these two characters and their lives. And then the other thing that
they show off is Joe Joe's kind of morals, I guess or his his
ideologies. Were introduced to a character called Arina, and who's as Lucy mentioned,
this pure maiden and you know, she's very pretty and she's being bullied
by a bunch of obviously evil people. Again you can say it ne'er du
wells. Yeah, near duels. I didn't want to. I didn't want
to get that that profane so soon. But let's get it out, ne'er
duels. But like they not only did they steal the doll, they go
like, oh, let's let's take its closing. Let's look at this new
Dollincy if it's like the real thing. I was like, oh my god,
they're kind of like the clockwork orange ye in a way. Yeah with
that hat too, those hats they wear. So she's so so she's being
like bullied by these near to wills and having her like doll taken away,
and we're introduced to JoJo's idea. He literally comes sprinting from the distance and
is like, iowall fight for you. He has no clue who she is.
It's just seems a lady being bullied by a couple of lads, and
he's so introduced like he will blindly Geojo will blindly fight for idealism. He's
chivalrous and key phrase here, he wants to be a true gentleman. And
we get some very on the nose exposition about what those two characters are like.
So I guess this is a good opportunity to say, like, how
did you feel about that kind of exposition and the way it kind of delivers
character because in Western media you might get that over the course of an entire
season, right, like you learned by the end of the season, you're
like, oh, I understand his character, whereas this is Jojo. It's
like up front, these are these characters are saying exactly who they are.
Yeah, I know, I mean I like that kind of way of storytelling,
like showing you know, how they react to a situation or the way
they behave towards other people. Like I always enjoy that, like when I'm
watching a film something, because it means you kind of get a deeper appreciation
of who that character is and stuff, and just like, yeah, I
like the fact that I feel like I know them, but it also means
and like not just because of what you guys were saying, earlier because we
were talking about Deo and I was like, what's this problem. Jeff said,
he is the true embodiment of evil. But it's like you only see
them within that context, and there is a wider context that we are not
getting because we're just seeing how they're reacting and behaving in those particular moments.
So for me, I'm also interested to see. Yeah, we saw some
backstory, but there's I feel with Deo especially, there are some missing things
that we haven't quite got to the bottom of. But I think in terms
of like in terms of setting up an introduction, moving the story alongs you
kind of get to those moments where Deo and Jojo are kind of squaring off
against each other. I think it's a very good vehicle for it. Yeah,
So continuing this, we're getting to the bit where he explodes out of
the carriage. The other important thing is Deal is a Deal's dad. Dario
is basically about to die and he's like, here's this letter. Take it
to Deal. Take this to the Joe Star mansion. When I'm dead,
they owe me. And he's like, you, I think that you can
become the richest man on the planet or some shit like that, and then
we get the kind of the summation of what this series is about, which
is a tale of two youths and a stone mask that alters their fates.
And then we get to the bit where we talked about earlier where they where
Deal arrives at the Joe Star mansion and kicks it dog in the face.
So John back to you, Yeah, yeah, I really that moment where
Deo steps out of out of the carrots No bounds out of the carriage and
he glares at Jojo and the camera punches in with this massive musical cue and
the literal kana for like glare and ominous appearance. I wonder, I wondered
what that meant. It kind of means. It's like it's one of those
like it's kind of Japanese word that I don't think literally has like a proper
English translation, but it's like the feeling of evil or like something bad about
to have it happen, and that that appeared that we're going to be seeing
a lot of that. But yeah, and straight away I I kind of
fell in love with the show in that moment because I was like, this
is so ridiculously dramatic and insane and I've never really experienced anything like this like
in or out of anime, and I was I was sold. This was
the moment that sold me. That's what's amazing. I'm not like I've never
had this, Like I've never no program has tried to do this to me.
Where you watch a thing and you're like, no, I really enjoy
it already. I mean the strategy in which exposition is delivered. You talk
about it earlier, you know, when the Western entertainment, right is always
like the thing you hear all the time in like scriptwriting and stuff like that
is like never directly describe how someone's feeling. You have to show it right,
You have to like demonstrate it. All that philosophy is thrown out the
window. And this in the way that they tell these stories, like you
said, like people have internal monologues and you hear that there's a narrator who
he fills in even more blanks when there's just like I don't know, an
establishing shot for a second, and you're just like you're like, oh wow,
nothing is being left to guess. You're sort of getting everything you need
and it kind of really uh, you know, it flies in the face
of like everything that I consider to be like the quote unquote right way to
tell a story. Of course, there's no real right way, but I
just love that. I love the idea of like, Nope, this is
how it's going to operate, and this is how these details and these character
traits and all this sort of stuff is being disseminated. I think that's it's
wild to me, like I've never seen that. I mean, maybe,
you know, maybe there's more of that in a lot of the comics and
graphic novels I read, where they don't necessarily have that time. But there's
also a lot of times where comics will take an arc and be like,
yo, we have to we have to explain to you why this person is
so jacked up because all this stuff happened to them in the past. So
uh yeah, I mean, just to see how far you get in three
episodes where you start and where you end at the end of episode three is
just like you couldn't do that unless you speedline mainlined the ex position in the
way that this show does. Yeah, totally, and zem I think the
comic actually moves a little bit slower at this point. They've kind of accelerated
a lot for these first three episodes, but I think that's kind of the
right move because I think one thing that's kind of interesting here is like Iraqi,
the guy who like writes Jojo this is his This is like he's done
a couple of things before this, like this isn't his first story. But
you can really see him learn how to write stories and how to write characters
over the course of this show. And that's one of the reasons I think
it's so fascinating. Like, say, you have Deo and you have Jonathan,
good and evil. They're just so simple, that's what they are,
and every moment of the show is screaming that at you. As time goes
on, he kind of begins to write like subtler characters, some of some
of whom are like a little more gray and some of whom it's still always
very dramatic, but it's it's interesting him kind of watch and like it's interesting
watching learning those like storytelling lessons, m for sure. So the next thing
that happens after he kicks the dog, which it doesn't really explain why he
kicks the dog other than he notices the connection between the dog and Jojo being
happy, and is that that moment is just used to show that Dio's hair
to ruin JoJo's life, and he starts by kicking the thing that he in
that moment shows the most affection for, which is the dog. And it's
just like this one's evil. Yeah, here you go. You're knocking you
over the head with it. I think at one point he's like, oh,
I'm sorry, I think lunges at me. Yeah, when people,
when people are like, oh, like, what the hell happened? I
think it's when George comes out. He switches. Yeah, he switches to
his like I'm I'm a nice person, fake and fake routine. And it's
like it was an instinct. You know. The dog lunged at me and
everyone else, even JoJo's like, I guess, so, Jos, I
guess my friendship dog did deserve that. Yeah, this dog that I've known
my entire life, I guess it does lunge at people. I've never seen
it happen before. And this new guy who's very evil looking wanted fantastic.
Without getting into spoilers at all, I will say that dogs have kind of
like a a rough time throughout JoJo's And is that a pun like it like,
trust me, it doesn't stop there. Like people have asked Iraqi like,
what what's the deal with like just dogs not getting on very well in
your comics, and his response was, well, dogs are great, So
if there's a bad guy, of course he's going to be mean to dogs.
It goes back to that like simple storytelling conceit that you mentioned earlier.
Right away. This is early Iraqi ways like good evil clearly like defined and
using that kind of simplicity. There's nothing like there's no easier way to tend
to like have people dislike a character and then have them do something to an
animal that everyone loves, Like kicking a dog is a very quick way to
make someone unlikable, and it seems like employs it a lot in this.
Yeah. So after that, we get a shot of the stone mask on
the wall, which is something that is brief but we'll come back to later
on. And then we also get some information about the two characters. George
points out that both Jojo and Dio lost their mothers and they're both roughly the
same age. He says something like both your mom's are dead. That means
you're going to get alarm. Yeah, you're good news news here, guys,
they will say. When when it goes to that shot of the mask
on the wall, I was like, who put that there? That's not
a good place for that, is it? Like interior design? Interior design,
Lucy, Yeah, no, the SIMS player. Lucy was like,
I would move that, I would put it in a better place, put
the room together. Yeah, it doesn't spark joy in this current position.
So from that point on we just get a lot of deal making. JoJo's
life incredibly difficult, which culminates in a kind of brawl out in the in
the field, just a couple of dudes being lads, lads being you know
what they do. They do the step brothers bit in the beginning of this.
They just have to have it out once up front, really to establish
boundaries. They start there there at their Victorian era fight club, I believe,
Yeah, because JoJo's not supposed to fight him, like Dio specifically asks
to be Yeah, he requests in well he's he like this is straight up
like a moment out of wrestling right where it's like someone is there's a clear
a fight has been scheduled, but then someone else is just standing at the
Titan Tron and it's like, oh no, oh my god, it's Deo.
It's Deo. Oh my god. And then they fight and Deo shows
off his what he calls his like booth of boxing, which is a very
strange I'd never I don't know what that means, but I was like,
okay, he's got a style of boxing. But the important part is he
punches him and then jams his thumb in his eye. So what I love
about this bit is like, that's exactly what happens. But he punches him,
knocks Jojo into the air, then he thinks to himself and now time
for the good old thumb in the eye train while time is distorting, and
then jams his thumb into the eye. And this is something I love about
anime because like a lot of it's based on mange. They can really play
around with time because when you're reading a comic, time obviously doesn't pass the
same way, and so they can have things like you know, someone punching
someone and what should be a really quick instant be like they can just fit
all this dialogue and it feels normal, but then when they have to put
that into motion into anime, it feels really strange and dramatic, and I
kind of love it, you know, like it's it's so much fun.
But yeah, he really kicks JoJo's ass. Yeah, he whoops his ass
pretty badly, and like Jojo always seems like is known for being a good
fighter because everyone's like those muscles cheering yeah and cheering him on and stuff like
that. And then he gets his ass whooped, he gets thumbed in the
eyes, and then, to add insult to injury, Deal describes it as
a defensive boxing style, absolutely brutal. And if that wasn't enough, he
tells all of JoJo's mates, I'll teach it to you, but don't tell
Jojo because Jojo can't keep a secret. And it's like it's like this keeps
us It's like every every word that comes out of his mouth is so unnecessarily
cruel, and it's just it's brilliant. He really does go like it's almost
like he's improving being mean. He's like, yeah, and none of you
guys tell Jojo because you know what, that guy can't keep a fucking secret.
Yeah, that's why he is the king of yes ending bullying. But
yeah, he's just constantly at it and then like it cuts to like his
internal monologue Deals, and he talks about how loneliness will make a man hollow
and how Deo wants to steal JoJo's life, and then everyone and it works
because from that point on everyone calls Jojo Jojo the squealer. It's crazy.
It's like, I love that idea that, like the thing that ruins your
reputation is, Hey, that guy can't keep a secret. This guy's stays
with you. But like the thing is, like, these are people who
have known Jojo their entire life, presumably, and they would have a good
knowledge of whether Jojo can keep a secret or not. All it takes is
for Deal to come along and be like, no, he's He's a rat,
and everyone just turns on him, which says a lot about either his
JoJo's friends or the power that Deal has. Maybe both, I don't know.
In the meantime, while Jojo is being ostracized from his friend's circle,
he gets closer with Arina Pendleton, who is the girl he rescued earlier,
and she starts to become a source of happiness for him, which naturally means
Deal has to fuck that up. And how does this happen. He kind
of forces himself on her, assaults her effectively, and he points out the
fact that her Arena and Jojo haven't kissed, and by kissing Arena, he's
stolen JoJo's first kiss between them, which is like fucked up on so many
different levels. So petulant. It's like, yeah, there's something very like
like there's something just genuinely awful about it, because he does like force a
kiss from her, But there's also something so weirdly playground about it. Yeah
what I mean, because it's like, now you can't have your first kiss
anymore. It's child logic, yea in a cruel man like It's total it's
so it's so weird. There's one thing I wanted to bring up really quickly
because oh my gosh. Uh in during the time where they're really doing a
bit of montage of like the the falling in Love with the Arena and Joejoe,
my man is rolling around on the grass like I don't know what.
There is some animation where he's just rolling around like a little like baby idiot.
It is unbelievable, Like I feel like, you know, the only
thing I had going into this show was like, Yo, there's a lot
of memes out of this show because there's some goofy shit and now I cannot
watch this without that filter on of being like, oh, should I just
record that? Real? Cuche just do that real Like I'm just looking for
all the things that are right for the picking and him rolling around in the
meadow being in love is just a we've all been there. Yeah, just
recorded and then twitter with m f W when I'm in love. There you
go when you when you said like him rolling around in the grass, I
thought you're going to bring up like grass stains terrible to I was like that,
that's where I was going. He's clearly wearing some sort of valor,
which wouldn't go well with that of course. So the next thing that we
see is following the forced kiss, we finally get the first instance of Deo
cracking a bit, and it's at the hands of Erina. So I love
this bit. I think this is incredible, so cool, because I feel
like the kind of lamest thing they could do with Aarona just being like,
oh no, a boy wronged me. But I love that She's like,
no, fuck you, I'm gonna I'm gonna get this guy back, and
so she starts, she dives into the river and starts drinking dirty water in
order to wash Dio's kiss out, and it gets them. It breaks the
dude really big man. Yeah, that is their first sign of I guess,
not vulnerability, but ego. That's where we learn that ego is his
vulnerability and when you damage it. And because that's her being like, you
disgusted me so much that I'm going to fill my mouth with mud water just
to get that the taste of you out, and you're like, Okay,
this guy's this gets fucking He's a narcissist basically. Then next scene, we
have a moment where we see Jojo and Arena kind of meat, but she
runs away because she's obviously got the memory of what happened with Deo earlier.
And then conveniently, there's a group of lads, some near Duellers nearby who
are maniacally laughed and just say, we don't want to overuse the word like
I know, we want to get on iTunes. Okay, there's still like
a kind of like this podcast of course. Of course, so Jojo learns
from them why Arena ran away, and immediately runs back to the mansion and
we got we get our first ever shout of deal, which happens a lot
in this series. And Dio's response is, I wouldn't use my name lightly
if I were you where he that name? I was like, does that
actor's voice not hurt because he's doing a lot of so now that you boy,
our deal is voiced or Jojo, not Jojo, I'm talking about Deo.
Deo is voiced by Takihito Koyasu, who I want to I know JoJo's
voice actor is also very like prolific, but Koyasu son is one of my
favorite anime voice actors. He's and I just really he's increase. He's iconic,
He's he's really amazing at the kind of like effeminate anime villain who's like,
you know, someone will try and punch him and he'll catch the guy's
fist and he'll be like, oh so he's a if you if you want
to kind of like quick overview of some of the roles that obviously this won't
mean much to you, but for people who who have some anime knowledge,
He's Dicere in Rama Sakamoto in New Hockey Show. He's in He's two characters
in New y Hockey Show. He's also Kiddo, which is amazing because will
come back to it why later. He's Pandora in Yugyo Gartenmorrow in Yu Yasha,
Admiral Al Kiji in One Piece Shinska Takasugi in Gin Tama, and my
favorite role he is Kura Rio in yak Japan, which is a anime about
making bread and in that In that it's it's one of the funniest animals I've
ever seen. In that, he plays a secondary character called Kiddo, which
is an American high school student, which goes back to his role in Uyu
Hokey Show. But he's he's iconic, he's prolific, he's amazing, and
he's easily one of the standout parts of Jojo. So he after telling Jojo
not to use his name lightly, Jojo kind of resolves to kind of not
spend his life in Deal's shadow. He finally kind of breaks and decides that
he wants to fight for Arena's honor and Dio mean, well, we get
his monologue and his his goal is, I want to pull for rights Jojo,
So I want to show him that he could never beat me in a
fight or in life, which is very broad objective. That very broad objective.
Yeah, go on, now, I was just gonna say because we
were kind of reaching the end of episode one here and I feel like there
was one of the other things that I just wanted to surface, just to
touch on for a second before we fast forward. What is it seven eight
years into the future with the start of episode two? The dad? The
dad? Uh? In this first episode, you know, time passes where
they're all living in this like massive estate and Jojo can help him, like
he everything he does. His dad's just like you're a fucking reject. Uh,
you know, deal, look at deal. He's all proper. He's
like a look at deal. Deal is not even my blood. He's just
this adopted Look at the way he's holding yeah, look at that and food
in his mouth without missing it and dropping it right. He's like, listened
to me Jojo watch Deo like and he's like, what was the thing at
the dinner table where Jojo like maybe spilled some wine and slams his fist on
the table that's a white tablecloth. So I I see it from both sides.
I know, why is my pattern just about fucking laundry today. By
the way, I need to move on the brain. So I don't know,
I just I could not get around. It was pissing me off.
How uh you know? The dad was not. He like he instantly was
like, guess what, Jojo do you is my favorite now he's the new
son. He's my new son. I hate you, I love him,
And it's just it was bizarre to me how quickly that happened, and the
events of two and three episode you're like, oh, okay, I guess
Jojo sort of overall that, but yeah, that really set up for even
more of like a very complex, paternal weird thing that they had going on.
So I think sure, one thing that kind of comes into it later
for Dio is like one of the most dangerous things about Deo as a villain,
like more so than the crazy superpowers he is yet to develop, is
the idea that he's just really charismatic and that anyone he meets kind of nearly
falls under nearly a kind of spell. And that's a lot of how he
is destroying Jojo in this first episode and one of the reasons I think he's
so fun to watch because it's like it's like you said, there are time
about like he doesn't just want to beat Jojo in a fight, he wants
to destroy him in life. And there's something that is so ridiculous but kind
of fantastic about that, Like it's like crazy theater. You know. It's
good to have a goal, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm going
to add it destroy someone in the fight and life to my notion board for
goals of twenty twenty. Absolutely I could say, like if anyone, just
to our listeners, if anyone ever pisses you off, like, don't just
resolve to beat them physically, but like take away who they are, Like
yeah, yea, their favor artly destroyer. So this is the This is
where we finally have a fight between Jojo and Deo proper like a with steaks
instead of just a kind of like you know, just a quick brawl to
prove who's who's a better fighter. And in this fight, Jojo starts getting
a bit dirty and he starts beating Deal pretty badly, and Deal realizes he's
getting his ass whooped, and it's kind of like a tables turned moment.
And during this fight, a bit of Deal's blood splashes onto the mask that's
on the wall, and it falls, and very briefly we get to see
that it ejects some sort of curved spikes from around the edges, but they
quickly retract when George Joe Star the Dad appears and chastises Joe Joe for attacking
deal while he was down, which is just like, no, my favorite
son, Like all three of them, like they see, like the mask
is all is like for a second, they're like, you, guys,
in my note, you guys just don't want to not want to deal with
that right now, like that was his family drama we have gone on in
my in my notes, I've written, note his dad is a fucking weapon,
which is true. So true, George is a weapon, and they're
I mean, like if it wasn't clear, the rivalry is properly in full
swing there. Meanwhile, outside next scene, a servant is burning a bunch
of things and briefly goes, oh, this is a strange box. I
don't know what this is. Maybe one of the other servants chucked this out
here. No worries, I'll just chuck this in the furnace and shut the
door and burn it while it's burning. You suddenly see the door of the
furnace start to bang and move, and it's revealed that inside the box was
Danny the dog, JoJo's beloved companion. Deal in the next scene says,
he might have beat me in the fight, but I ultimately got one over
on him, said Deo, feeling a bit hurt about losing the fight,
kills JoJo's dog. Yeah, in the most inefficient way. That's what you're
mad about. I didn't think that that's where your complaint would go. Yeah,
just because he I mean, I realized, like he's such a he's
such a bastard. But it's like, I don't know it. Also,
it also wasn't very obvious. He was like, I mean, I guess
for us it was our but he had to be like, yeah, I'm
the one who killed his dog, and I went about it not really overthought
process, like I don't I don't know. I mean, later on,
you know that he's got the poison hookup? Why didn't he Just I hate
that I'm saying this. This is assume he develops the poison hook up in
the seven years between this episode. Good point. Yeah, he's he's not
like a fifteen year old boy being like, Yo, you need anything,
hook up? I got it. And also if the dog is poison like,
there's some there can be some yeah, lack of clarity as to how
that dog died and what's the when it comes to Jojo anyway you excuse to
get It's like, oh, a burglar must have broken and not taken anything,
but then start this dog at a bus. So I legitimately I will
do that with Michelle sometimes if I eat like something in the apartment that's hers,
I'd be like Michelle, I think someone broke into the apartment and when
into the fridge and didn't take anything. But ain't that bar you were saving?
And I'll still be like John and I'll try and hooker and be like,
we just both have to get over this together. I'm gonna start I'm
gonna start doing that as well. So Neil reflects on the fight after revealing
they killed the dog and says something here that kind of reveals a little more
about JoJo's power. I guess. And it's a It's a common shown in
jump style, anime style trop or character attribute. Many many protagonists have it
in the world of anime, and it's Jojo is the type of person who
gets stronger the more you beat him. So that's a common actual like Goku
is a saying and sayings things are every time they lose a fight, they
get exponentially stronger. So it's in Dragon Ball, it's in My Hero.
It's one piece and pretty much everything, but that's who he is. Deo
meanwhile, is admits that anger is what makes him vulnerable, and then we
get a seven year time skip, and the final shot of the first episode
is the mask hanging on the wall as it zooms in, and we get
the first ending theme, which is Roundabout by Yes, which, according to
the anime's director, was one of the many songs that Jojo create Iraqi listened
to when he wrote the original manga, which is why we used in the
in the show. I thought he was just going to say was a banger,
because I mean, while that was when I heard that, I was
like, I had my ears like a double take. They were like,
I know this song very well. Depending on this podcast goes on, you
might get that a couple of times. Yeah, okay, because I mean
and then well, there's someone's character name in episode two or three from that
same sort of cloth cut from that cloth, and I'm just like, okay,
well there's this going on. That reveal I got from Lucy in this
three or caps messages, It's like, but we'll get it. I'm looking
name is what again? Oh, don't get don't get recorded about him?
I was looking up. Oh go on if yes. I never actually acknowledged
the fact that they are like the credit they well they have there's a deleted
Facebook There's a deleted Facebook post which starts that just says what the fuck is
anime? No, it says hello to our friends in Japan. But I
clicked on it and they and they and they got rid of it. But
the other one, Oh was it a video? I'm not watching it.
Yeah, I'm not watching it. Seems that they there's one later from that
band. I think it's sound Garden. I think Soundgarden do it? Oh
yeah, And there's a really good Twitter from then being like, hey,
it's cool to see we have so many new fans. Not too sure what
this is, but it's great, you know. So the thing is like,
it's worth like this is. That's the end of episode one, and
the recaps for the second and third episode. We'll go much quicker now that
we've got the establishment. I mean there was worth a cover. Yeah,
it's worth reflecting. I mean, John, you can speak to You spoke
a bit to it, but you can speak more to it. But like
the influence of Jojo, or the power that Jojo has on culture is it
can't be understated. Like in terms of manga, it's massively anime is massively
influential. But there are like communities that have been buoyed by the fashion and
the music, like the kind of Iraqi would go out he did like illustrations
for I think, I think Gucci and other major fashion labels, like he
like, I cannot stress him much. This man is a national treasure in
Japan and just adored by everyone. Weirdly, Van Piric as well. He
doesn't age. He still looks like he's in his mid twenties. Wait a
minute, Yeah, and also like I like, one of the things that
we see more and more is burnout in in mangaka, Like the people who
create these things, like it's for someone who has been going for as long
as Jojo has. It's wilder. The output is insane. It's wild.
Yeah, it's it's incredible, Like he is one of those like legendary or
creators and authors that I think if if it wasn't already, I think would
should get recognized beyond just in Japan as a manga creator, like in terms
of writing and creating content as human beings. I feel like he's he's noteworthy
and Jojo is noteworthy because of that. I'm sorry, do you expect me
to believe that this man is sixty one does not look that way? Crazy?
I looked into that too. Yeah, amazing, He's like the strauss
Zelnick of manga. I mean it kind of makes sense when you when you
understand the reveal, like we touched yeah, but yeah, so that was
episode one. Dio the Invader really living up to the title of the episode
and like, you know, just as like an end and not on episode
one. JoJo's is silly and it is really over dramatic and kind of breaks
all kinds of rules. But like the first time I watched this, when
Jojo started beating the shit out of Deo, I was like pumped. I
was like getting best and I was like get them, get them, you
know, And I think for as silly as the show is, I think
like it can get you like that, and like much more so later on,
but there is a kind of sincerity that I think we'll get more into
later. But yeah, I think this is a great first episode. Yeah,
fantastic. Yeah, I think it's it's like as far as pilots go,
if we're speaking on like western side, it is the perfect incap sulation
of what this show is. And I feel like, you know, you
get some anime that are like, I'll give it four episodes and you'll get
a vibe for how how whether you'll like it or not. No Jojoy is
like, watch that first episode if you like it. I think if someone
hated this, I couldn't imagine myself being like, you know, I think
like, oh, there's there's a vibe to this show that's just not for
you. And then the second episode starts and it's seven years later and we're
playing rugby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very much rugby. Yeah,
there is some sort of weird amalgamation because like he passes forward rugby, you
pass, he checks it, he chucks it. Does he chuck it back?
Yeah, because he's sprinting towards the goalposts and then yeah, he chucks
it back. But also it's just like the fact that it's not American football
because he gets tackled and it's like it's not immediately over. He's like he's
still standing. He will keep going towards the Yeah. So episode two is
called Letter from the Past. Lucy and Jeff were you when the text appeared
seven years later? Were you guys taken aback by that at all? Yeah?
I was like, I was like, oh, I think I messed
up. I wanted to make sure I was watching the right ship and I'm
like, no, this this makes sense. And then they're like seemingly buddies
because they win the game. They look they like shake hands and clap and
they're like great pass, good try. Like I'm like, okay, I
don't buy this at all. I like, what's happening. The episode one
ends and they're at each other's throats and now they're best buddies. Seven years
has gone by. Are we to assume they somehow patched up their relationship and
they're just friends now in college or whatever the hell it is. Yeah,
I was. I was definitely like, oh, we're going places right out
of the gate. I don't think. I don't think I was surprised because
I was like my passing knowledge of Jojo is them as grown ups, and
I didn't. I don't. I assumed I was surprised that the first episode
was them as kids, so I was. I was more like, just
intrigued. Is to see, you know, the missing years of the relationship
this The episode begins by establishing that we're in London's East End in nineteen or
eighteen eighty eight, and it's seven years later. We'll have a lot to
say about the East End of London. What was the name of that street
again? Set, are you guys genuinely which I need? There's no such
street as Ogu Street. I did. I think? I did google it
and I did find anything. But the interesting thing for me was like,
it's also like Jack the Ripper torments the women of London. It's like,
okay, some good context. Yeah, that's don't don't you worry, Tam.
That will become very relevant. I also was like, that seems needless
to bring up needed don't be attaching yourself to Jack the Ripper. Just I
just want to stick a marker in this moment that will come back to you
in a later episode. We'll call it a spring Hill Jack marker. But
so Jojo, it also says Jojo and Deal would unleash a new horror to
the world, and as it does, it shows the mask. We've taken
a moment to talk about OP one, which is this is the first time
we're properly seeing the opening credits for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. The song is by
Hiroaki Tommy Tommy Naga of the Japanese brass rock band Bluff, and it's called
Sonochin no Sadam, which is is written by Shako Fujibayashi and composed by Kohe
Tanaka and arranged by Kawatani. The title Sonachi no Sadam translates to destiny of
that blood or destiny of the blood. That's a literal translation, but like
non literally it's like the destiny of the bloodline, which is I believe that's
correct anyway, which I'm sure you can figure out what that means. Yeah,
this is my studio Kamikaze Doga, and this, to me is one
of the best opis of all times. It's incredible and it's not even the
best Jojo will be. Yeah, yeah, it is stunning. What did
you guys think about the opening credits? I thought it was neat. I
thought, I you know, I guess. Like for me, I assumed
the nuances of comic books where each comic is a different cover and there's variants
and stuff like that, and I was like, Okay, so what they're
doing is there's just a brand new opening title sequence, and maybe this will
be a brand I was like, oh, I bet they might do a
brand new one, new one every episode the way we're going here. Uh
yeah, there, you know, I guess. But like for me,
I wasn't really surprised. It's just sort of like, all right, yeah,
this makes sense, like let's let's let's see this. Let's see what
they do. I like that it's a different animation style. It's it's got
its own vibe. It was cool. Yeah, it looks about like three
D. Then like yeah animation. I'm I'm yet to be convinced if it's
going in like my intro theme Hall of Fame, But I did. I
did enjoy the opening. I do like that Weekends. Could we get some
some samples from your intro theme Hall of Fame? I'm curious what Okay,
sopranos, oh, I mean talking about I was talking about anime, but
talking it up to anything there is the My Hero Academia one where I think
it's like from the first season or like part two season one, and then
also just lost any I mean, I mean everything about that opening does what
it needs to well, especially especially the rendering error that they never ever fixed
that I have never been able to not see. There is an error in
it. It's there, it's it's yeah, what is it? Is it?
Like? I think I lost? I tweeted about an image of it.
Yeah, I can't believe Sopranos is on that list for you, Lucy
dude, never in New Jersey, like but this song song, Yeah,
I think I think that. I think one of the best intros in the
last decade is Stranger Things. I think sence and the I think that's amazing.
And what we do in the Shadows I think is very good too.
That shows so good. I just watched the Jackie Daytona episode. I went
to a bar the other day and they played that song and everyone kind of
whips. Yeah, it's great, great, Oh my god. Yeah,
I just dropped the picture of the lost rendering error sad realization. I just
saw my reply to that. Is it an error or is it? Or
does it hint that there are flaws in what we're being led to believe.
Think about it, what what is the what's the error? I don't see
it on the s And it's like looks a bit yeah, crunchy. Yeah,
yeah, interesting and you only ready to see it because it zooms very
close. Yeah. So returning to Jojo, Jojo is now in London and
he's buff. He's not he was getting there before, so now he's like
swollen. Yeah. This starts what I'm gonna call the very complicated and interesting
relationship between Jojoe's bizarre adventure and the male form. And hey, he loves
drawing muscles and it's going to stay that way for a while. M hm.
He likes drawing detailed muscles. So you know you know that picture that
went viral of like the giga chad, Yeah, like the the big chin
lads, super muscular guy. Yeah, that is that is probably like on
the low end for for Jojo. I could just see I could see Jeff
and John just going Google. Yeah. Well yeah, because well there's only
two very online people here. Chat is quite something. That's a person all
right. Yeah, looks he looks sharp in a weird way. Yeah,
you never want to run into him. So as we see he's playing rugby,
and they describe Jojo again in his in his elderly years or older years
as mild mannered, one hundred and ninety five centimeter giant. That's it,
which is uh, six foot four basically good, but interesting that they went
for sent to me is there. So he gets tackled as he's trying to
make the game winning run. He powers through, showing that he's more powerful
as a person now, and he passes the ball to Dio, who scores
the tray, and Jojo and Dio embrace their buddies, and we learned that
Dio has been adopted. But when it cuts to JoJo's internal monologue, Jojo
admits that he still can't see him as a true brother. I love it.
I love it because it's a tonal shift of like we did it well.
I can never could have cut it without your pass. And then like
the bo you motherfucker, but I will never trust you. And then is
like Jojo, you're like a brother to me. And then like you know
the cards like that, I'm going to fucking kill It's like I love the
tonal shifts. Yes, so they still outwardly they are friends and brothers now,
but internally the same rival recent exists and they've both got each other like
pegged. Yeah, yeah exactly, And Joe Deo outright states that he wants
to Joe Star fortune and we see that George Joe Star is sick. He
got a cold, and it's like I thought it was a normal cold,
but it's escalated. The dad is still doing that fucking Deal is number one
son thing? Uh, and Deo does He's like, Deal, you're really
cool. I think you're amazing, and Deal responds by doing very evil anime
face in response, which is like, how is no one looking at that
and being like something like that? Maybe they just think that's that's just his
face. You know, he's got like a resting bitch face, but he's
got resting evil animals animal face. I love. The dad was like whoa
wait, what what did you do with your face? And he was like,
what happened with your face? Those shadows? Why did you angle your
face downwards like that was like no, because you're all red now anyways,
I'm dying, so you guys get out. Then it cuts to Jojo experimenting
with the mask. Yeah, he's trying to figure it out. He like
drops blood on it and the spikes appear, and then we learned that it
belonged to his mom. So that's why he's trying to figure out, which
very weird is my moons a mask? Yeah, I actually only picked up
that detail this time around. I was like, huh, yeah, I
wonder was George's mom an interestingly, Yeah, I thought it would come up
later, but I don't know if that's the case. I love like,
if you wrote down the specific things that happen in everything in JoJo's up till
now, without like the tone or the way they happen, it could be
like just a periodic drama, like a very normal periodic drama, and you
don't necessarily see the fact that we're heading to vampire territory. Yeah it really,
I really didn't. I really didn't see that one coming. Well,
even even even with the mask with like the little fangs, I was like,
it's just a nice mess. Yeah, that's the first giveaway. But
you know where I could go, like people rich people always got weird shit
in there and there mansion as well as we'll come to learn later on Jojo.
While experimenting with the mask discovers a letter that has the words Dario brand
written on them. Meanwhile, Dio is taking up some medicine to their dad
George, and there's a series I love this. There's a series of quick
flashes to show the whole process of him acquiring the medicine from a shady person
while he's while he's dressed as a joker from PERSONA five like that. I
love that as a way to of like exposition, to basically catch you up
to where that from. What did you guys think about that? Well?
My my big question was like I don't understand the medicine. Why is it?
Is it like folded in that's medicine from the late eighteen hundred, like
crumbles all the medicine like herbs and shit. I hung on that too.
I was like, that's weird. What is that? It's like a little
little weird bandage medicine or something. It doesn't matter, I guess ultimately,
Yeah, but I love that ship. That flashback stuff was like such a
cool way to do it. I love But it's all those panels, it's
the path, it's just paneling right, like uh yeah that you know.
I feel like it's I feel like, Okay, so this is how it's
going to be for a lot of stuff. You see it play out more,
you know, with the end of two and three, and it's it's
effective, like you can't it's undeniably off. Like I think kind of one
of the fun things about anime is like, because the characters are so details
a lot of the time, they can't get away as like with as much
animation as like simpler stuff. And I really like it when they get creative
with like just using very like minimal imagery and doing it well. There's a
bit in this show called flcl where two characters are having a conversation while playing
with a camera, and every like five or six seconds they're taking a photo
and all that's on screen is the polaroid of the photo they take while they're
talking, and it's just really like creative and cool and weird, and bits
like this kind of remind me of stuff like that. That that is I
think a lot of the creative framing on a page like that you get from
some comics where they I feel like every you know, I'm and I'm talking
more like the episodic ones where like you read the book and there's maybe one
or two pages that have like wildly ambitious paneling, right where like they'll just
do something super strange, whether it's like in a spot where like they tell
that story they tell those ten minutes or whatever it is through these really oddly
abstract shapes and whatever, and the and that extends through this like they are
doing that in this cartoon, which I think is so dope, and you
know, I love that ship. So Jojo confronts and based knows says that
he's found a letter to him from Dario, who says he's dying from the
same symptoms as his as their dad is now dying from George's dying from Jojo
grabs a medicine and Deo tries to kind of salvage the situation a bit by
saying, if you doubt that medicine, you doubt our friendship, and our
friendship will be lost, which is such a bummer. Deal couldn't give a
flying about their relationship and they're poor. JoJo's like, yeah, Jojo being
as naive as they come, is like he like feels he that hits him.
But then he also kind of plays his move in the chess game where
he's like, swear on your on the honor of your real father, Dario,
and if you can do that, you will he will put the medicine
back and forget that all this happened. And Jojo is basically counting on Deal's
prior preventing him from swearing on the honor of his father because his father was
a deadbeat nobody. So Deal obviously can't do it, and he attacks Jojo,
basically proving that he's up to no good. He goes for the thumb
in the eye again, which I love one move from seven years ago.
Jojo fights back and throws his ass off that fucking landing area down below,
and then Deo basically is like, I'm gonna despite being discovered. He's like,
I'm going to figure this out and I'm gonna finish this plan. It's
weird because in the next scene, Jojo speaks to Jordan's like, I'm off
to London, which is probably something you shouldn't do, given that you've just
outed that your adopted brother is attempting to poison your Dad's been a little murdery
lately. But I gotta get out of I really I need to test this.
Yes, yeah, he does. He does say something like, oh,
only take medicine from these doctors. That he does do the least amount
of effort to sort of you know, protect him while he's gone. Yeah,
does bail. But I guess he feels like if he just outright said
like, oh, you know your adopted son's trying to kill you, he
needs like he obviously needs to go and get more proof of proof and whatever.
That's what he's going to do it. But like, yeah, if
George, we've established shitty father, imagine like it wouldn't have it wouldn't be
you know, narratively as interesting if George just like believed him. So he
needs to go out and obviously the call of ogre Street is too strong.
Yeah, he does. As Jeff mentioned that, he does say like,
hey, only take medicine from these servants. And my favorite thing is it
cuts to that one other servant who's like, what the fuck is he the
one who doesn't want to go up the stairs. Though maybe I think it's
just one of those random jokes that they check. Oh yeah, it's just
like, well fuck me. I guess I like, it's like, what
I shouldn't have stood on this fucking side of the room. But yeah,
so he's off. Jojo dressed as show goes off to London. She dresses
buff Sherlock goes off to London. Dio meanwhile, I was like, I'm
going to use the mask which I saw react to the blood of many years
ago, and I'm going to use that to kill Jojo by having it puncture
his brain. Yeah, in Deo is kind of a sequence of impractical murders.
I think he's really up to game since the old Dog on fire.
I was gonna say, Dio's kind of doing some real road Runner esque vibes.
Yeah, this is big white road Runner. This this fight. It
comes to two days later and Jogos like ship the university couldn't figure out the
medicine, so he thinks he realizes of Asian origin, which is an interesting
leap to make, and then he's like, well, where do all the
Asians hang out with the dangerous poison? He's like, Ogre Street, the
most dangerous part of London where Asian medicine is sold. For why Ogu Street
there must I wonder if there's anything, I mean, how do you make
a street sound evil? I guess I don't know. Ogre doesn't sound super
evil to me, But I mean he does get jumped like thirty seconds.
I mean, to be fair, this was pre Shrek, which I feel
influenced. How we how we see Ogres a lot. So in Ogre Street
he's attacked by three rubbers and he fights them off. He does some cool
shit like catch a knife in his hand. He threatens to kick a dude
in the dick by comparing his foot to a sledge hammer, which is at
a pretty hardcore. Please, we can't forget the cat that's eating the cat
puppy, puppy. Yeah, that's how bad Ogre Street is. Cats are
eating then, yeah. Yeah, it's come to another in the second in
the dogs being mistreated in Yeah yeah. Should we keep a running counts?
I mean, it's going to get pretty pressing, but we could. Yeah,
alright, we're only a three. Jo Jojo also proceeds to fight anime
odd job who's got razor huts, and wins by taking the razor hat to
the arm and overcoming the fear of and pain of doing that with his force
of will. The man in the hat asks why Jojo held back on hurting
him. Jojo retaliates, but it doesn't actually hurt him, and Jojo explains
that he knows the man has a family and he doesn't want to cause them
grief, which is earnest Jimbo, I just love, like, how unnecessary
that dude's like pizza cutter hat was and shit was so unnecessary. It's got
three circular blades on it, three circular blades that wrap around the entire perimeter
of it. Not to mention, it flew around by itself and did a
dance in the air. Well you right this more, it did some ship
by itself, even to the surprise of perhaps the owner of said he was
just sort of like, oh, do whatever it wants today. I don't
know, Jeff, just just wait till the Nazi cyborgs start showing up.
Yeah, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, last one, I promise.
The man as a response to this text, a real liking to Jojo
and calls him, okay, a true gentleman. This is my favorite bit.
The entire resolution of this conflict is one of the one of the street
tufts being like this guy is so fucking cool, Like we love cool guys.
We're cool guys. You're a cool guy. Why are we fighting?
Everyone knows on Ogre Street that you can survive if you're just a cool dude.
Like we said, big himbo energy happening in this fight, so he
offers to help him track down the kind of origins of the medicine. Interesting
bit is the anime Odd Jobs says a name that in the crunchy Roll version
isn't subtitled. It's a name that's revealed later, but you can pick up
on it. It is, you know, the character's name. It's the
one that we talk about talked about earlier and is and comes later. But
he's actually mentioned here for the first time, and the subbing just does not
say it, just skips over it, unless I missed it, but I
was listening with now. I think it was in episode three when they say,
yeah, that's the first time they mentioned that name. But the character,
the Odd Job Lad, does say it. So three days pass after
that and Deo is basically like, God, I hope JoJo's dead, but
he's also succumbing to alcoholism like his dad, deal is quickly, so he's
like God damn. He's like, God damn, I hope Jojo is dead,
but also I cannot stop drinking. What's going on? They just punching
on a bottle. It's just like this old thing again. Yeah, just
like my dad, right, And then oh gosh, yeah, I thought
that was I mean, he became an alcoholic in fourteen frames. So I
don't know, I don't know what to say. So Deo decides he's going
to use the mask as a test on some random dudes to try to jump
him before he tries it on Jojo, And during the fight, the mask
attaches itself onto one of the thug's faces and he dies, and Deo's like,
oh, I guess it's just a boring toy for torturers. But then
the house, yeah, that blows to JoJo's mom, which is some implications
about JoJo's mom based on that, Deo learns very quickly is way more than
that. As the dead Lad returns as some sort of monstrous demon. He's
super powerful because he just whoops Deo's ass real quick and launches him across the
street, and he doesn't seem to feel pain. And the Lad gets up
close and sticks his fingers through Deal's skin and starts drawing his blood, restoring
his own youth, which just looked so Latexi and upset. I feel like
that bid in particular is a real tonal shift even from everything else so far
ahead. How did you guys, Like, was that like a moment for
you guys? So if I could be completely transparent. The biggest maybe thing
that had kept me from really diving deep into anime maybe in my late after
post college years, was like I was kind of a baby about it.
And I don't like gore at all, Like Gore upsets me. I like
campy gore, like evil dead shit, but I don't like brutal. Like
I just there's stuff if I don't like I like resident Evil, that's all
fine and good, but like there's certain can't explain it. There's something about
some anime gore that I've seen, like Gifts of or whatever. I'm just
like, I don't want that. There's a certain I'll be honest of anime
gore from like a lot of late eighties stuff that is just very it's very
grizzly and like it's not there's no kemp, it's not you're not watching Mortal
Kombat Fatalities. You're watching right, pretty Nazi stuff. Yeah, And I
worried that this might have that, and I kind of like just sort of
got into it something that you wouldn't see in RESIP. I'm like, this
is cool. Yeah, I'm like this is cool. You're doing it the
way I'm cool with it. So so yeah, But as to how I
felt, like, yes, this was definitely a turning point where I was
like, Okay, his fingers are in his neck, They're not just the
reason, not just grabbing his neck. We're doing this now, and this
show has gone from maybe like a real loose pg. Thirteen to a definitively
very hard are and it felt the right. Yeah, it was how did
you feel about it? It was a turning pot for me because there are
obviously the undertones of just the dog stuff, like particularly dog getting burned alive
and like some thumb in the eye stuff is just like you know what,
it just it just feels a little uncomfy. And then I got to this
moment I was like, oh, Okay, we're just we're going into it.
We're doing the horror thing, We're doing the gore thing. I also
I also thought like, in terms of vampire fiction, I thought the way
that he drained the life force was really really cool, Like it's not just
like the bite on the neck and sucking the blood out. It's not even
if you think about the way then I'm referencing the nineteen ninety nine classic The
Mummy here, But if you think about the way Emotep sucks the life force
out of people, it's just stand in front of them and open his mouth.
But the fact that like he gets under the skin and I yeah,
and the way that in the way that deer like he's all viscerara and stuff,
it's yeah. I thought it was really cool like that moment a lot.
And if it wasn't clear enough that these are vampires, the mask has
turned this lad into a vampire. Deal is saved when the sun rises and
the man burns up and he's like, God, damn, this sucks.
And at that moment we start to get the first few notes of Roundabout beginning
to play, as Deal returns home to find Jojo there with evidence of his
plan, and then the full song kicks in, and I thought that was
fucking cool. I thought I liked that one better because it was like the
little guitar picking for a little bit and then you'd change scene and then a
little bit more, and then it just went into it and I was like,
oh, Pell yeah, I feel more. I feel pumped. It
never gets old. It never gets old, like even all the memes I've
seen of roundabout it. Just I love it. It makes me laugh every
time. So that was episode two, A Letter from the Past. Episode
three, Youth with Deal. Basically the names like what is it? I
mean, Deo the Invader makes sense to me, but like a lett from
the Past, all right, and then Youth with Deo, Yeah, make
sinse at the end at the end, yeah, okay, yeah, but
I but I agree with Lucy, Like this third title was definitely the sort
of biggest, you know, creative leap that they kind of did with that
titling, for sure. So it picks up pretty much where we left up.
Deal realizes he's been caught, but he's like fucking on a fight Jojo
anyway. JoJo's like, I've got an antido and I gave it to Dad
already, so sucks to be you, buddy. And then JoJo's like,
I'm heartbroken. I can't believe you've done this. I can't believe my favorite
son, Deal betrayed me. Yeah. So Deo's like okay. So they're
basically like about to arrest Deo and Deo's like, Jojo one last favor,
Please just give me the times. Oh, he's about to turn him in.
Basically Jo's deal like, please give me the time to turn myself in.
And then because ploy it's so obvious and if it wasn't obvious, it
cuts the deal's internal monologue and he's like, fuck, I can't believe Jojo
made it out of the slums, and I'm gonna instead stab him in the
back. And while he's doing that, forming in the plan, he's trying
to get sympathy and he's like, oh, man, I grew up poor
and Shi was real rough for me. I'm sorry I did this. I
just want to make amends. And from the shadows a man is like,
don't trust him, Deal, and then he flicks a match to light his
face and reveals himself as Robert e. O Speedwagon, the Meddler. I'm
not, like, you know, the meddler. Yeah, I feel like
that's why maybe in the subs they didn't put his name in the last exactly
what intro moment. I yeah, I'm still really I'm still reeling from it,
the fact that his name is fucking Robert EO Speedwagon. Like, so
for people who don't know that is, of course Ario Speedwagon, the musical
group which which again I guess I know I keep saying, we have we
have now we have Deo and Rio Speedwagon, Dio Bean, Monnie James,
Dio Andri speed So I see what I definitely I mean the first time I
saw Deo, that's the thing I thought. And then other things popped up
and I was like, okay, we I can do this. I could
do we can we can do this all day like that's fine, which really
should have better informed my guest for when the comics came out, like Robert
Robert Eo Speedwagon has the same energy as one of my favorite accounts is like
Bad Fortnite Names and Bad Destiny two names, and there is one that I
will never be able to forget, and that's John Fortnite Kennedy and Robert Eo
Speedwagon. That's the same five. Yeah, I've seen Sonic d Hedgehog,
which is one of my favorites because it's like one piece if I that's pretty
good will of the That's what I like. But here we have him Orio
Speedwagon. Robert Eo Speedwagon has returned with Jojo from London. And he's like,
listen, I was raised in Squalor, I can sniff out. I
love this bit because he's like, okay, Jojo, me and you cool
guys. This guy worst. He's like, I have grown up around some
awful people. I can sniff out a bad dude, let me tell you.
And he literally says, I sniff out bad dudes. Deo stinks of
being a wicked man. It's like, okay, okay, we get it.
So like it's nice to have someone who's just immediately like this guy's bad,
right, Like does everyone know that this guy is bad? Because currently
Deo is surrounded by people who are unclear about whether he's bad or not,
Like George doesn't know it, and Jojo is naive enough to be tricked by
him the moment he's like, oh, please ease. So like Orio Speedwagon
is like fuck this guy and fun everything about him, and you're like,
finally good, someone who's can clearly like pin the tail on the donkey,
and he like keeps going. He's like, this dude isn't just bad.
He was born bad. He was this is he didn't become like this.
He was liked it from the beginning, and then he goes to the curt
and behind him and pulls out the man who sold sold the poison. That
exact he's there. He's been hiding, he's been behind the curt. Yeah,
And at that exact moment, George appears and is like, what the
hell is going on? He's heard everything that's happened, and it's like it
goes from like it goes. It reminds me of a Spanish like soap opera
moment that like, not an actual Spanish swap opera, but the way it's
presented on like a American sitcom like Days of Our Lives and Friends, where
it's like hamming it up and it's that kind of moment. This is very
much a soap opera, the sipius the soap operas. Yeah, for sure
it is, yeah, and I love it for that. And then the
poison guy based it cuts to his his internal monologue and he's like, Deo
is not going to get captured. He was born with the devil's luck.
And one of the things they point out is that the three marks on his
ears as well. But he's like this, that's a devil's mark of some
sort. And then Deo does this little thing they drop in there and never
comes up again, never come back. They're just like, wait, I'm
sorry I Google because I was like, it's three miles on an ear,
like an actual thing, and you know, consensus, No, except for
the fact that's Sweary tweeted I have three miles on my ear. Then that
same position Deo that kind of tracks that he bought with the Devil's luck.
Yeah, Deo Leo from there continues his what is me act and asks Jojo
to be the one that coffs him. They're surrounded by police, like I
was actually going to stab your last time, but this time, which is
really appreciated. And as he's as he makes that, Deo starts talking internally
about throwing away humanity and he does it externally, right, he's actually saying
it out loud where he's like, I've moved beyond humanity and I'm throwing it
away. And then as he does that, he pulls out the curved knife
from earlier and makes a stabbing motion and you hear, you hear what looks
like Jojo be stabbed, but it isn't. Jojo. That Dad has finally
done something and thrown himself in front of the knife and been right. That's
right on his deathbed two weeks prior now moving at the speed of the knife,
and Joe Jo it was I guess he really did. It was a
good reveal, good reveal. Deal wipes the blood on the mask and as
he's doing that, he's like shot out of the he puts the mask on
and all the cops opened fire or someone opens fire. Some cops. The
cops open fire. Yeah, and he's shot out of the window and is
seemingly dead. And then in their dying moments, the dad gives Jojo a
ring that belonged to his mum, and one of the melodramatic cops decides this
is his moment to have his origin story. Yeah. He's like, God,
damn, I could have stopped all this, and you're like, all
right, cop. So little cop is like, I regret not banishing Deo
Dario brand and you would get some history and someone basic Dario tried to pawn
the matching ring a long time ago, and that was Dario who stole it
from them at the beginning of episode one. Isn't it so interesting the choice
to like turn that into all it was probably I don't know, three minutes,
right, whereas like every a lot of other things, they're just like,
yo, let's panel this out, like let's just go like bomb bomb
mom. You know, I just thought I found that to be interesting.
I guess because that is the opening scene in the pilot where like you see
the looting thing and there is an attention to detail on that specific story plot
where you're like, all right, okay, this maybe makes sense to flesh
that a little more with with Dario. Yeah, so what happened was Dario
stole it from them, But George doesn't dub him in and like basically doesn't
press charges. Instead, he gives him the ring and says like, take
this ring, it swarth a lot of money, leave the criminal life behind.
And then George basically asks Jojo to take pity on Deo as they're dying
and bury deal with his with Dario. And then there's a moment where the
cop is like, will never find someone as kind as George show Star ever
again, And then it cuts to Speedwagon The Speedwagons like, Sir Joe Star
has passed his noble spirit to his son Jonathan, and it has become his
iron, will, his pride, and will create his future. So basically
being like George's or George's spirit or being cool. Dude is now in his
son and he's screaming it. Yeah, he's like, yeah, right,
there are everyone. Everyone in the area has heard what's happening here. Basically.
Speedwagon then turns to see that Deo's body is gone, but the mask
is still there. And then no, there's no moment for like intrigue to
even begin to enter your mind, because immediately one of the cops has the
top of his head sliced off, and Deo returns as a monstrous vampire.
The way the way he cut that head off was pretty secular. Yeah,
it was pretty cool. It was very much Yeah. Actually reminded me of
that Ari seven moment. Yeah, where Jack Baker uses the shovel on the
Yeah, it's that exact same thing. And so like Deo is, he's
like Spider Man up on the wall and then he drops down and in and
Jojoe is about to shoot him, but he ain't got the guts to shoot
him, so Speedwagon pops him right in the face, Like Speedwagon got no
problem doing it. And there's a cool shot where it's like Jojo with the
gun, but he's not able to shoot him and right next to him,
real close to Speedwagon, and it's a really cool pose that they've got going
on together. And it doesn't The shot does nothing, like he's shopped to
the head and does nothing. Deal just leaps into the dramatically and talks about
how his marvelous new power come from came from the masque and George Joe Starr's
blood, and then he just starts sucking the life out of one of the
officers and he quickly injures Speedwagon. There's all so a moment where we get
one of Deal's iconic noises. I don't know if we describe him as noises
or phrases. They start off as noises, but then they become phrases and
the noises yah, which is one that will come up again in the future.
JoJo's like this, I'm gonna fight him, but Speedwagons like, don't
do it, bro, this you're gonna get messed up. The cool guys
we're dropping like flies. We need you. It's like, yeah, we
need we just lost, Yeah, we lost George. We're down to two
of us. The cop had his moment. He was not, in fact
a cool guy. He did not, he did not press charges. But
JoJo's like, I feel responsible for what happened, and I'm gonna, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna fight this, and JoJo's like. Jojo gets himself prepared
to fight by saying like Deal's not human anymore and even if he was his
brother at one point, Deal needs to die, and then speedwagons basically like
this dude is immoral. Don't don't fight him. The fight begins and we
get the second iconic Deal phrase, which is hingjacku hingjacko, which is translates
to so weak, and then Jojo, which is it. It comes up
a lot in this. It's gonna be a thing. Yeah this. Deo's
noises and phrases are a big part of the fandom. My favorite, my
favorite ones coming up. Yeah, yeah, I don't know which one you're
talking about because there's so many, but you can say it when when when
you when it comes. So, JoJo's injured during the fight and he hides
not very well. Deo sniffs him out. Yes, he's a big fellow.
He's one hundred and ninety five centimeters. Deo literally sniffs him out and
he finds him hiding behind the curtain and there's like a pool of blood from
coming behind the curtain and he like very arrogantly walks over and it's like,
bitch, you thought you could hide behind her. And then he pulls a
curtain aside, but he's met with just any ruption of flames because this was
JoJo's plan. He's hiding behind the thing waiting with fire with Speedwagon. And
then Jojo quickly throws Speedwagon to safety and just just like run, so he
throws him out of the mansion, absolutely yeats Speedwagon wild. It's called spatial
spatial creative license. Becas is now completely out there, like things are about
to get weird. Yeah, and then Jojo is like inviting Deal up to
the landing to come and fight. He's basically egging him on. He's using
himself as bait to take the distract Deal away from Speedwagon, and Deo climbs
up a wall by putting his feet through the wall like he's just walking up
a wall forcefully, and it is the coolest shit. And I'm guessing this
is the phrase that you're that you're talking about, yeah, which is do
you want to say it or I'm not going to try and do the actual
way he says it, because I feel like this has been going quite well
and I don't want to ruin it. Yeah, but yeah, when says
Muda, Muda, muda, or useless, useless, useless, or like
pathetic, pathetic, pathetic, it's it's just it's so stupid, but such
a perfect the phrase. Yeah, it happens a lot, and if he
the character he voices, this voice actor of voices in Japan. He there's
a scene where he goes up to a cook who's like failed the task and
is like, it looks like he's consoling him by whispering in his hair,
and everyone's like, oh, he's consoling him, and it cuts to him
and he's whisperings in his air, which is just trash, trash, trash,
trash, trash, trash, trash, trash, trash. So people
have linked this kind of style to him as a voice actor and they use
it whenever they can. But Muda is an iconic one. So by then
the fire has engulfed the mansion and we see a really poetic shot of like
George who's like laid out on the table, born dead, just burning up
in the fire, and Jojo as he's like trying to maneuver around. Deal
also gives him this whole touching eulogy, which was kind of fun. And
then during the fight there we get another Hinjaku hinjaku, and as that happens,
Jojo kind of flashes back to their youth and remembers all the shitty things
that Deal's done to him, and he's like, I'm gonna end this.
And then they're on a roof by now and Speedwagon starts to see what Jojo
is up to. He's basically drawing the fight out so that the flames burn
up as much of the house as possible, so I can get as hot
as possible so that Deo can't regenerate when he's in the fire. And then
once he feels like he's reached that point, Jojo throws himself at Deal and
they both plunge back into the fire. He's like, I'm going to sacrifice
my life to take out Deal, but DM Deo hits him with a goodbye
Jojo and like plunges his arm I'm into the wall and basically secures his position
incredible arm strength holding up his entire body and he's like he is stuck in
like foam core. It is so, but they're goodbye good It doesn't say
good bye his goodbye Jojo, he's my favorite. Yeah. So they so,
just for context, they're falling through a sort of like rectagonal like pit
Rectagonal is not a word. Rectangular is the word. Sure, yes,
thank you, thank you. I'm also taking creative freedom with English with shapes,
with shapes like it is insane that they fall for like four miles.
Yeah. Well, I mean, Jeff, you've clearly you've clearly not been
in any English manners. Yeah, we've all got him. No, Yeah,
well, like they have this sort of you know, valley within them.
I love that. I just love that they talk and talk and talk.
It's that time dilation that John mentioned earlier. Yes, without a doubt.
Yeah, and it's fantastic. So they're falling and as they're falling,
deals like I respect your guts to Jojo, and he's like, but I
am beyond human now, I'm immortal, and I will rule this world that
the Joel Stars with the power that the Joe Stars have given me. But
JoJo's got this blade, it's like the end of the blade that he was
using to fight with earlier. And he stabs that into the wall and regains
his footing. From there, he leaves up, and as he's leaping up,
he takes his belt off and then wraps it around Deals on one handed
and announces, Deo, I'm back, which is an incredible moment. And
then Jojo stabs Deal in the side, which makes him go yeah, which
is a fantastic nice and then with a crushed arm, Deal is still Jojo
is still holding on and Deal promises that basically, even if they fall into
the fire, he will find a way out and he will come back.
As they're falling, Jojo basically screams to his dad to help him one last
time. He's doing the like Dad from beyond the grave, give me,
give me some good luck. And what don't you know it? It happens.
Jojo kicks off the wall and that positions them both to land above the
statue of the Joe Star Family Guardian, which is an angel, and in
doing that, he impales Deal through his torso and Deo realizes again that the
more you beat Jojo, the tougher he gets that statue always there. I
mean, who cares, right, But like I feel like that was maybe
it is. I think it's like, the more you hurt Jojo, the
more his ancestors very specifically placed a statue will get you, yeah, to
an advantageous position, Joe Star. It's a very uh, you know,
centrally located statue too, But you feel like you would have in the vein
of how this show's sort of been, where they might have like shown you
it in in a meaningful way where his ancestors are like maybe a little to
the left, yeah, building the manner like so it shows it shows a
deal fully impelled on it, and Deal's final words are, this wasn't supposed
to be my life. Everybody has that happened, yeah in it and he's
like burns up and Jojo is thrown out of the mansion conveniently, like he's
thrown the exact distance from whatever the fuck they are in the mansion with the
thing. He's thrown out of the mansion and right next to speedwagon perfect nailed
it and Speedwagons like shouts that Jojo has won, thus bringing the clothes to
wait. The third there was a post credit for that one, Yeah,
yeah, to watch Lucy, do you want to reveal to jalal so,
Like the post credit sequence is that goes the camera pans over the rubble and
the eyes of Deal awaken. But he's like all he's all covered in,
he's like his skin is like ashy graze. Deal is not gone. Deal
is still very much a threat. Okay, so I have to go and
watch that last what is it fifteen whatever it is? Yeah, it's very
sure. Do they do like stingers at the end of every episode or just
this one now it's just for the future, They usually so with anime,
generally they do like a preview for the next episode, okay, and then
some shows have like a post credit stinger or some sort. So it's generally
worth skipping to the end of the ending theme to see if. In most
anima, Okay, I'll be sure to do that next time. But okay,
yeah, I mean I guess I kind of figured all part of me
up until just the second. Also assume that, like maybe we're just doing
little arcs, like little you know, the end of the book. Yeah,
like the comic book Brain, you know, now, who else is
going to come in reck JoJo's life? We've got I mean, someone Deo
came in, you know, I thought, as fast as he came in,
as fast as he would go out. I don't know. No,
you may see some more from Deo brand. Very just I'm not gonna lie.
I really like this. I really like it. It's it's it's I
don't love this face right now, Like you know, if I brought this
in and you guys were like, what the fuck is this? And I
know there's a certain elements of that, but yeah, I'm glad that it's
hitting. Yeah, yeah, you know, A part of me is also
like, oh, I don't know, I don't have a close personal friend
who would probably enjoy it, Like I know, I just love that we
are all in the same sort of like little club with it together, you
know. Yeah, so that makes me feel great deal of joy. But
yeah, I'm very much into this thing, and I like Lucy, I
had to stop myself from going to number four. It's fun. You see,
what did you think of it? I loved it. I'm just I
said the point. Now it's like, well, some of the pieces at
least are on the board I understand, or at least I think I understand
bits of the world. And now I'm just like I want to know more
about like what Joejoe is going to do after is you're going to rebuild.
I need to know more about Robert eo Speedwagon because International Man of Mystery Slash
the the Middler. He does have a wonka vibe. I think John,
I think it's fair to say that you both have. John, you correct
me if I'm wrong. You have a zero percent chance of guessing where this
is going. Like, Okay, something I really wanted to ask, especially
Lucy and Jeff. Where do you guys think this is going? This comic
has been running for like thirty years. What do you think happens? I
mean, you did give me a bit of a I did. I did,
so I have to I can't unno that. But you know, like
in the same reaction I had where I was like, oh, they're doing
vampire's cool. He was a vampire cool, you know, I knowing that
now, I just feel like it might just be Monster of the Week sort
of stuff where they just do everything and everything, uh anything and everything.
Rather but yeah, I look, how no one can make an educated guess
based off the suggest Say it's Jonathan Joe Star traveling the globe solving monster problems.
Yeah, I mean, you know as sure? Yeah, I mean,
if it's a bizarre adventure, like we gotta stay bizarre and we gotta
can you know, he's not gonna like open up an accounting agency, like
he's gonna you know, he's gonna be bizarre. He's gonna do things.
Yeah, he sucks up your taxes every time. But Lucy so gleaning from
you know, we obviously had the call about Jack the Ripper you mentioned earlier,
Nazis. I am feeling that like Dio wants to take over the world.
I feel like he maybe just has a hand in evil events and Joe
Joe comes along and tries to stop him. But in a way I kind
of see it also is like you know how Sandman does that where it's like,
oh, technically everything is because of the endless like dream and death and
stuff. I feel like they just happen to get involved in shit. But
also the fact that, like the theme song is about bloodlines and I and
that ring, the ring getting sold. I don't know, I feel like
there's more. I don't know if it's a Van helsingy type thing. You
think it's an assassin's creed Templar bloodline, Yeah, like a bloodline of like
you have to kill you know, once in every generation a Slayer has chosen,
you know, kind of thing. I don't know, go through time.
They'll have to go through time at some point. I feel like we'll
have to just do that. We'll see, We'll just see, we will
see, because we'll be back for another one of these episodes of Jeff Jeff's
Bizarre Adventure. I love that we've placed the entire like the naming of this
show entirely, but this is this is your first animal but it's but if
you're in this, you're just as much in the same spot as I am.
Like yeah, but technically, like Lucy said, this is your first
ever anime. You know, I'm not subject, Jeff. If you had
the time, I would love if you watched at some point during the recording
of this the first episode of Cowboy Bebop, just to see I would compares
to JoJo's Yeah, because I feel like if you watch Cowboy bebo Yeah and
JoJo's that's a real good like spectrum and then everything like you know, that
will give you the two extremes of kind of what anime can be. And
I think that's a good one. Okay as well, Yeah, yeah,
twenty minutes, don't get confused with the don't watch it, don't watch it.
No, I know, I even I don't. I am in no
way involved in anime whatsoever, and I know not to watch that show.
So that's what I love about this too, is that it's super digestible.
These are twenty three minute little morsels than that, because like you get if
you if you're skipping the opening credits all quite long. Let's let's not go
crazy and skip the opening. Yeah, I mean, I don't know,
you know some people, Yeah, No, I honestly like I love that,
you know. I love the how digestible everything is. Though, Yeah,
I'm sacked. So for next week, the homework is to watch episode
four or five and six Overdrive the Dark Nights and tomorrow's Courage. If you're
listening at home, you're encouraged to do the same and watch along, and
then we'll regroup for the next episode of Jeff Jeff's Bizarre Adventure and talk about
some of the happenings in the world of Jojo. In the meantime, make
sure you do the usual promotional stuff, you know, hit up the podcast
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you can. And in the meantime, John, where can people find you
and is there anything that you want to push people towards. You can find
me pretty much just google super ipatch Wolf and there I am. And I
also host the Let's Fight a Bass video game podcast, which is very good
and I highly recommend you check it out. It's always meaty as well,
So if you know, you have a lot of fans of me eke video
game podcast here, so that's another one to add to your list. Lucy,
I'm Twitter, Twitch, game Spot, and I'm Lucy James Games.
I'm pretty much everything Jeff, and I'm at Jeff Beckler pretty much everywhere,
yep. And I'm at more h on Twitter and Twitter and that kind of
business. And uh yeah, we'll see you next week. Oh yeah. Georgooda