1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,080 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No. 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:16,120 Here is your host, t J. Leaves. Yes, we are 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,199 back aboard and ready to go over anything and everything with the Sweet Science, 4 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:25,879 including fights for this weekend in Las Vegas and Detroit and some in other places 5 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:29,320 as well. We go over everything that is pertinent that you need to know 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,840 as part of this program. In this podcast feed, I am the somewhat 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,000 capable, somewhat competent host t J. Reeves. He is our insider from 8 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,520 his Fight Freaks Unite, substack and Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,640 Raphael, as we begin another weekend with lots of news, some fights in 10 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:50,719 the ring, and even some nostalgia. How are we feeling, my friend? 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,079 You know, I'm about for ra a week because of my wife and 12 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:58,240 soner out of town at one of his events. So you know, I'm 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,119 just doing my thing. You are, and you're and you're and the phone 14 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:04,200 has been busy the last couple of days. It's me and the cat basically, 15 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,920 yeah, you and it's Lennox right, the cat and I'm in the 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,319 exact opposite which at this point I'm into like week five because the Florida School 17 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:17,079 system gets out much earlier than where you are in northern Virginia and a lot 18 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:19,959 of the Northeast. I'm in week five of the wife and the fifteen year 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,959 old twins and the dog being here all day, every day, and let's 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,239 just say I might be rooting for the school year to start back up soon, 21 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:30,920 because it is. Yes, we've taken a little vacation, but we're 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,599 around all the time. We're looking for things to do. Driving lessons still 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,200 in progress, Dan Raypheel with one twin swearing she's ready to go out into 24 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:42,719 traffic, and I'm on the other end going no, no, no, 25 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:46,840 no, not yet. It will be here, will be those who may 26 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,879 wonder. Yes, in fact, Lenox, our cat is in fact named 27 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:56,400 after my former by the way, in a back many years ago, my 28 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:00,480 former broadcast partner, when the two of us called Fights for Epics networking. 29 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,079 So, in other words, one of the long list of different dignitaries, 30 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:08,919 important people and whoever you've broadcasted with, and you've got to come way down 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,719 the list and lower yourself to be with TJ every week. But I love 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,240 that about you. I'm no Lennox Lewis in your world, but nonetheless we 33 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,719 have play to go over. Reminder, we're here with the preview going into 34 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:24,319 the weekend late night Thursday into Friday, depending on your time zone and where 35 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:29,319 you catch us. And then off the weekend, the Fight Freaks Unit recap 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,240 comes your way over night Sunday into Monday, usually Monday morning it's out. 37 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,680 And again, thank you for continuing to find this social media link. Dan 38 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,879 Substack. Continue to follow or subscribe on Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Spotify, 39 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,319 wherever you get podcasts to this podcast feed. And as we continue to 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,120 say, rate us in review us, and some of you have been doing 41 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:53,680 that and taking a screenshot or a social media screen grab of your rating in 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,800 review, We're going to give somebody, it could be you at random, 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,039 an opportunity to get a fight poster, a fight program Raphael. I haven't 44 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,560 decided yet. Maybe it's one of each. We'll draw someone at random and 45 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,240 maybe two someones to win, depending on how many ratings and reviews we get, 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,599 and some of them are coming in. Rate us and review us, 47 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,719 give us, give us a five star review, take the screenshot, let 48 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,000 us know who you are so that I get to tell you later. Yes, 49 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,159 that program and poster is not just any old program and poster. It's 50 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,199 going to be from Errol Spence Versus Terence Crawford. That's right, yes, 51 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,840 But I know I know that the program is done because I have written most 52 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:35,280 of it and just finished editing it and it's getting ready to go on press 53 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,080 program. I'm gonna give another pop from my boy Jay Sidon, who's who 54 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,439 you know, his company producers the programs. It's been my friend for twenty 55 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:46,800 five years and I've written for most of his books since then. In this 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,360 program, there are also going to be four trading cards, an Errol Spence 57 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:53,479 card, a Terence Crawford card. Wait, a medical cruise card. Wait 58 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:59,039 a minute, wait a card, and we're giving this to somebody I might 59 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:03,520 want one of the I mean, good gracious, this is trading cards and 60 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,360 the fight program, and thank you for picking me up there that it's the 61 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Errol Spence Urge Crawford Fight at the end of this month in Las Vegas, 62 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 where all things being equal, Ray Phield and I will be in Clark County 63 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,920 together. The local authorities have been notified. Look out here we come for 64 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,279 them. So that's neat though about the program, and we're looking forward to 65 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,360 that fight. And by the way, some of the fight news that we're 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,240 about to give you pertains to the undercard now and a change from this weekend 67 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:32,720 to the undercard of Spence Crawford that in a moment, let's begin though with 68 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,000 the other news. And you and I did not rehearse this. I think 69 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:41,360 I know what your reactions about to be, but let's find out. Tyson 70 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,399 Fury has announced that he's back. No, it's not Whole Coogan, No, 71 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,959 it's not Santa Claus. Instead Francis in Ghanu, former UFC heavyweight champion, 72 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,680 one of the more decorated fighters in UFC in the heavyweight division, who 73 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,399 now is out of the UFC. His contract was up, he did not 74 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,560 renew, so he's available to do something. Raphael whatever, this is going 75 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,439 to be in lightness, and I'm curious, what's your reaction that, for 76 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:13,199 the first time in twenty twenty three, Furies back and it's not against a 77 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:16,279 boxer, it's against an MMA guy. Go ahead, well, when Francis 78 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,759 then Ganu's contract came to an end and he parted ways with UFC. He 79 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,800 signed with the PFL, which is another MMA outfit. But that agreement that 80 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,360 he did with them was because he has had this dream to pursue boxing. 81 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Part of that agreement was that he would have permission or be allowed, or 82 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,959 ever you want to phrase it, to go and pursue a boxing event. 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,120 And of course he stood there in the ring next to Tyson Fury in the 84 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,800 immediate aftermath of his knockout victory in April of twenty twenty two, following the 85 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,680 win over at Dillian White, and they talked up that fight. You know, 86 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,079 it's sort of like, okay, maybe will happen, Maybe it wouldn't. 87 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:54,360 Obviously, Tyson Fury then went on at the end of the year and 88 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:58,439 fought Dereksura and all the other fights that he either was trying to make or 89 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,240 are just spouting the supposed attempt to make but didn't happen. Whether it was 90 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,560 the Alexander Ussek fight for the undisputed title, which is really what should have 91 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:12,000 happened, he blew that. In my opinion, there was conversation about fighting 92 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,759 Anthony Joshua that did not happen. You know, as Anthony Joshua said so 93 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,439 eloquently, he gave me like five minutes to sign the contract. Obviously, 94 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,560 it didn't seem like he was real, and then he mentioned fifteen other guys. 95 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,560 He would go to Australia to support his pal Joe Parker and say, 96 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,639 I'm gonna fight Demzy McKean, a top Australian heavyweight. Then he would go 97 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,240 somewhere else and say I'm gonna fight. You know, I'm gonna offer Andy 98 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,959 Ruiz to fight. Then I'm gonna offer that. Anyway, went through the 99 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:41,480 Lydney and obviously they have come to the agreement to do this matchup between him 100 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,680 and Francis Semgano. And I can't blame either one of them. I mean, 101 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,839 you want my reaction a couple of things. I don't hate it. 102 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,199 I don't love it. I'm not like overly interested in it. I have 103 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:57,360 no quarrel with boxers or anybody you know, legally making the most money that 104 00:06:57,439 --> 00:06:59,920 they can and if they feel like this is the opportunity to do that, 105 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:02,160 especially for a guy like the Nagandu, who has made dick in terms of 106 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,759 his UFC pay, He's been probably the most underpaid professional combat athlete maybe in 107 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,399 the history of sports. So you know, and he comes and I don't 108 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,279 know Francis and Gando. I'm not a big MMA guy. But I've watched 109 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:18,079 some interviews with him, and just from that perspective, he's a very likable 110 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,399 guy, like really humble, and I have a lot of respect for the 111 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:25,839 way he spoke about his career. I've read about his upbringing in the hard 112 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,399 times, and you know how you're not happy for the guys. And as 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,120 they say, as the kids say, TJ, he's gonna make the bag. 114 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,560 Okay, so he's gonna make the back Tyson Ferry's already made a lot 115 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,759 of bags. But and so what. Here's the thing. I'm not mad 116 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,920 at the fight. I don't hate it. Anybody at this stage of the 117 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,879 game that doesn't know what they're expecting and they're gonna be mad if it doesn't 118 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:48,800 go the right way. Shame on them. We've been through this with McGregor 119 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:53,879 and Mayweather. There's been several other crossover type fights. You know, I'm 120 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,720 back in the day when when was Mayweather and and Connor McGregor. I mean, 121 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,000 my emotional outbursts about that, if you will, I was. I 122 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,279 hate I hated that. I didn't like that at all. I didn't have 123 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:09,480 a problem with the guys making the money, but I just felt like it 124 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:13,399 was a cheap you know, on the on the public, and you know, 125 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,079 Floyd carried him for several rounds. People want to talk about, who 126 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,879 oh McGregor did way better than expected. I felt like Floyd and the weather 127 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,560 could have knocked him out in the first round, but he carried him to 128 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,639 put on at Lisa show. So thank you Floyd for that. But whatever, 129 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:28,000 when that was over with, you're like, okay, we've now seen 130 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:30,839 it. But now everybody wants to come from And they made a boxing Why 131 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:33,519 because in M and A they don't make shit for money, but in boxing 132 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,320 at the highest level they can make a GAZILLIONCE. So let me let me 133 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:39,960 finish this. I gotta get through this, all right, So I have 134 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,519 no problem with them doing the fight. What bothers me about the fight is 135 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,559 a couple of things. Number One, it bothers me that Tyson Ferry spent 136 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,519 all this time teasing us about this fight, about that fight, and he 137 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,960 didn't do any of them, and he had the opportunity. There's no reason 138 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,840 why the ustic fights should not have happened, and they would have then hugely 139 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,840 paid for that. Also, maybe as I don't know what his exact pay 140 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,799 is, but I have to believe it's in the same ballpark of what he 141 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,440 can make for the USIC fight if the Saudis are bank rolling the event. 142 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:05,919 So that was what bothered me. The other thing that annoys me is that 143 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:09,360 while now I am told and it appears to be the case that this will 144 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,399 be an official, actual boxing match that will count on their records, that's 145 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,840 not what's going right right Okay, so that still hasn't been like formally announced, 146 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,919 but the WBC has said they gave him permission to do this fight, 147 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,639 so it will be a non title fight in the sense of the WBC. 148 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:30,720 It's a ten round fight. I guess it's a real bout. I'll say 149 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:31,879 this, and I know people are gonna hate on me about it, but 150 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,720 fuck them. I don't care if he loses Tyson Fury, which he won't, 151 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:39,679 but if he did, even in a ten round fight, the lineal 152 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,679 title is still let stake if it's an official boxing match, So theoretically, 153 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,600 this could be one of the weirdest situations in the history of boxing where the 154 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:52,039 heavyweight champion has the WBC title and the lineal title loses the fight no longer 155 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,559 has the lineal title. But still has the BC and he got a big 156 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,559 guy from from the MMA world who's the lineal heavyweight boxing champion. So on 157 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,879 the along these lines clarify on the details as far as we know, ten 158 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:09,399 round boxing match. Fury had mentioned before about maybe not using twelve ounce gloves 159 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,519 or whatever they use it heavyweight fourteen ouns, but using the smaller type gloves 160 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,240 that a Gano used in UFC. That's not the case, right, No, 161 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:22,240 this is one hundred percent as they announced, unless they change their mind, 162 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,039 will be fought as they say, under official professional boxing rules in the 163 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,960 heavyweight division, heavyweights will wear ten ounce gloves. In the lower weight classes 164 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,360 from like welterweight and below, it's one hundred of their eight ounce gloves. 165 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,799 So no hybrid gloves, no weird ring, no weird cage h no grappling, 166 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:46,000 no submissions, none of the kicking, no biting, at least not 167 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:50,159 legally anyway. So it's gonna be a boxing match the way you would see, 168 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,759 you know, Alexander Rusk when he fights Daniel Dubar or Anthony Joshua against 169 00:10:54,879 --> 00:11:00,360 anyway, it's gonna be the same rules, regulations, and apparently it made 170 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,360 it official, but apparently an official boxing match for the lineal heavyweight title, 171 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,159 but a ten rounder, and it's gonna take place in Riyad, Saudi Arabia, 172 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:13,440 which when the interesting part about that is most of the fights that have 173 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,440 been rumored for Saudi Arabia or that are being bank rolled in Saudi arab that 174 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:20,200 have taken place there are being put on by a company called Skills Challenge Promotions. 175 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:24,600 They're the folks that did the Andy Ruiz fight when he went over there 176 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,679 and fought the rematch with Anthony Joshua. They're the folks that bankrolled, for 177 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,039 example, when Jamitri Bebo fought Zerdo Ramirez. I mean there have been others. 178 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,759 This is that just did Jake Paul Tommy Fury earlier in the year as 179 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:39,480 well. Yes, that is correct, you know. And they recently signed 180 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,000 bad Dud Jack, who won the Cruiserweight belt on that undercard of Tommy Fury. 181 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,679 Anyway, this is being put on by an outfit called Read Seasons, 182 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,960 which is a affarently like this is gonna be the fourth year they do this 183 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,080 festival. At that time of year in the city of Riot, it's a 184 00:11:54,159 --> 00:12:01,120 lot of sporting events and food things and music concerts, and other cultural sort 185 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,559 of stuff. And this boxing event is on the opening night of the festival 186 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,720 and is one of the cornerstones of this festival that they do in Rha, 187 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,480 Saudi Arabia where and let's not gloss over this, it must be mentioned this 188 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,039 is all about sportswashing. This is to make Saudi Arabia that can host these 189 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,600 big events and put on you know, these type of activities, the cultural 190 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:28,039 stuff, the concerts of sports in their cosmopolitan city and make it look good 191 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,039 to the world while ignoring the fact that they killed journalists, they abuse and 192 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,480 are anti women. They they are militant in the way they handle themselves. 193 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:41,360 They have the worst record in a you know, in human rights that you 194 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:43,159 could think about, and so that should never be forgotten. It is, 195 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,320 in my opinion, and very much blood money. Okay, So a couple 196 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,720 of other things on this the the ludicrous stuff that's being suggested that this would 197 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,240 somehow be a WBC title fight. No way, No. The next thing, 198 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:01,399 it's obvious Tyson Furies taking the easy, low risk way out to make 199 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,720 a bunch of money, and it is a waste of our time when we 200 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,639 could have had the USIC fight already and you were saying to me even on 201 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,240 a recent podcast. I think last weekend, you don't believe we're gonna get 202 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,159 the Usik fight next later this year, like into s see, you're shaking 203 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:22,000 your head right now. So he basically has thumbed his nose at the legacy 204 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,879 undisputed fight for twenty twenty three. And I don't get that. I don't 205 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,919 understand that. I don't even mind there's there's no fight later this year, 206 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,320 this fight between Fiery and Nagan, who was on October twenty eighth. He's 207 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,679 not fighting a second time this year. That ain't happening. He's gonna fight 208 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:41,039 one time in a fight against the UFC you know, or former UFC heavyweight 209 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,799 champion, I mean not only former because the title was stripped from him when 210 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:48,679 he left the company. So yeah, no, he's gonna fight one time, 211 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,639 and it's a huge disappointment. So here's here's what he's been having. 212 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,600 What his recent resume will have looked like. He'll have had this fight where 213 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:01,639 you know where the release that went out announcing it, who is the baddest 214 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,039 man on the planet? I don't. I mean, I think it's Tyson 215 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,039 Fury based on his status as boxing's heavyweight champion, but a win against France 216 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,480 and nagan who does not in any way enhanced that. I mean, it's 217 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,759 a different sport. People need to understand that. But his recent record will 218 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:20,080 be a Naganu fight will have been in December of last year Tsora, who 219 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,080 was the third match they had, who was just given his buddy at Payday 220 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,360 too and a complete and utter beatdown. Before that was a worthy fight, 221 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,600 a mandatory against a quality contender and Dylan White, and before that was a 222 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,960 long layoff following, you know, his most you know, exceptional fight of 223 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 his career in terms of the overall excitement and just action and everything, the 224 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:46,519 absolutely sensational trilogy fight against Deontay Wilder, and uh, it's a I guess, 225 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:48,320 like I said, I don't, I don't. I'm not like some 226 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,039 people. I'm not losing my mind over and I read some columns from my 227 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:56,399 my my boxing writing colleagues who you know, pounded their chests with righteous indignation 228 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,840 about how terrible this fight is for the for the sport, for fans. 229 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,120 I'm I'm over that. I'm not emotional about it. I'm not going to 230 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,960 rip on the fight. I'm gonna watch the fight. I like watching Tyson 231 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,559 Ferry fight. Frances Nano does intrigue me based on what I said to you 232 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:13,679 earlier about watching him and some of his interviews and having seen some highlights of 233 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,720 his fights in the UFC, and knowing a little bit of his backstory. 234 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,320 But um, you know, I know, I know what I'm getting into 235 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,480 when I buy the pay per view, Okay, And I just hope that 236 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,240 others who decide to do that don't go in there expecting that they're going to 237 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,360 see some kind of you know, King conversus Godzilla. King Godzilla fought each 238 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:35,799 other. They did it unequal terms. They did in the same There was 239 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,679 that section by the WPC. I can't remember was that twelve rounds or was 240 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,320 it ten? The only thing that I will say about this, and I 241 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,600 realize he's got immense popularity in England, etc. You're doing absolutely nothing, 242 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:56,480 absolutely nothing to stoke this in the US and have people be interested in this. 243 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,879 Yes they're UFC fans, but there's for example, I talked to a 244 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,759 hardcore UFC person and he said a couple of things, and god who had 245 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,480 a very bad knee injury at the end of his UFC career, and he's 246 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,799 thirty seven years old and he's never boxed before. So this is to say 247 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:14,360 this is a low risk fight. This is almost a no risk fight for 248 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Tyson Fury. So if this is the only fight of this year, don't 249 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:23,039 come crying that you can't get a fight made about undisputed and how and have 250 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,200 the American public care and want to watch and want to pay for it when 251 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,200 this is what you've been messing around to end up at the end of the 252 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:34,240 rainbow doing. You're fighting a thirty seven year old UFC guy off a knee 253 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:38,399 injury that has never fought in a boxing match before. So and listen, 254 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,000 and I mean, the only chance he has in my estimation. I'm not 255 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:47,440 exactly going over new ground here. If he somehow, by a miracle, 256 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,720 happens to land a big punch, his reputation in the UFC. Again, 257 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:55,120 I don't follow it closely, but he's got talking about in Ghana, right, 258 00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:56,159 What did I say? No, you didn't say anything. You said 259 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,559 If he you mean, and god, if he lands a big punch, 260 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,200 because he is a good striker apparently and has tremendous punching power. If he 261 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,079 can somehow land a punch like that on Tyson Fury, maybe he can win 262 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,759 the fight. But I would respond to that by saying, Deontay Wilder, 263 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:17,079 who was a longtime professional boxer, an Olympic medallist with a long amateur and 264 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:23,599 professional career with numerous title defenses of the WBC Heavyweight Championship, knocked Tyson Fury 265 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:30,279 down in their three fights. I want to say four times twice or four 266 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,119 times right the first fight he got him twice the first fight right, and 267 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,200 then twice, so he put him on his ass or on his back four 268 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:45,039 times in heavyweight championship fights. He's an experienced, high level professional heavyweight who 269 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,519 is probably one of the greatest punchers in the history of boxing period. You 270 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,960 know, for my money, I think he might be the single best punch 271 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,319 I've ever seen for one shot, pound for pound, except maybe Randall Bailey, 272 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,799 the former junior welterwey, who was a spectacular puncher any event, So 273 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:04,960 if he couldn't keep Fury on his ass and reach him enough times to keep 274 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,119 out a guy like Naganu who's never been in a professional boxing match, for 275 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:12,920 I find it to be a complicated situation. You know, I would give 276 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,759 France to Naganu a much better chance if he was fighting a different heavyweight who 277 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:22,599 was not the combination of size, power, skill and speed as here, 278 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,559 because he really does have a well rounded arsenal that Fury employs. Listen, 279 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:32,279 he got no chance. I mean. And you know, when when the 280 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,160 Connor McGregor Floyd Madeweather fight happened, I was rather I wasn't shocked, but 281 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,119 it was sort of irritating to me that the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which 282 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,200 always likes to pat itself on the back and talk about how everything they do 283 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:48,920 is all in name of fighter safety, would license a fighter from a different 284 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,599 sport who had never boxed before professionally, had a couple of amateur type fights, 285 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,119 had sparred a few times, but certainly not a professional And they went 286 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,240 in and they licensed him for this professional match, not against a regular guy, 287 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,640 but a twelve round fight. If I'm not mistaken, I believe it 288 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,880 was a twelve rounder against the guy who was the number one fighter in boxing 289 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:14,599 at the time pound for pound, number one forty nine and oh Multidivision world 290 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,400 champion, the number one fighter out there, and they licensed him like it 291 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,359 was no problem. So these things don't surprise me, but they disappoint me. 292 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:23,359 By all rights, Nagan who should not be licensed to fight the heavyweight 293 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:29,200 champion Tyson Fury because he doesn't have that boxing experience. So I felt the 294 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,960 same way about the McGregor fight, but far be it for me to keep 295 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:37,839 the blood suckers from making their money. On that note, let's move on, 296 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:41,400 so we do. We're about to get into the Showtime Premiere Boxing Champions 297 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:47,720 Las Vegas card that was always headlined by Frank Martin there rising lightweight, but 298 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,559 the co feature fight, and we had the interview, and it's good that 299 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:53,480 you played the interview. We played the interview on the Recap podcast. Is 300 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:59,160 past weekend with no Nito don are ready to challenge for the vacant WBC bannomweight 301 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,920 title that he previously held on a couple of occasions. Well, now that 302 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,680 fight, the Dawn Air fight with Santiago, has been moved off of this 303 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,400 card this weekend, So before we get into the card itself and preview it 304 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,039 a little bit, tell me more about what it went into the decision, 305 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:18,559 as it's now moved by a couple of weeks and This is an unusual thing. 306 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,240 It doesn't go on all the time where you just suddenly push a fight 307 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:27,640 back by a couple of weeks. And it's basically for scheduling and to try 308 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,279 to bring up the quality of the pay per view, if I understand it 309 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:33,839 correctly. So give me a little more on what's going on, all right? 310 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,400 So originally, okay, so we discussed so Frank Martin fights hard to 311 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,240 coon In in the main event on Showtime in Las Vegas as a lightweight elimination 312 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:44,480 fight. We'll get to that in a minute. The co feature of that 313 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,880 tripleheader was supposed to be Don't Air against Alexandro Santiago for the vacant WBC bandam 314 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,319 White Tindle, one of the four belts that the undisputed Champia in a way 315 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,240 vacated when he moved up. And wait, so if you now fast forward 316 00:20:56,279 --> 00:21:00,200 to July twenty ninth, on that card, we know the may and then 317 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,640 is obviously Spence Crawford. The co feature is pit Bull Cruz. Uh you 318 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,960 know he has taken on Giovanni Cabrera and the third fight down the card was 319 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,880 supposed to be the Outstanding Junior Middleweight Prospect up and comer twenty no Hazers Ramos 320 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,240 against the very experienced Sergio Garcia and Hazers Ramos. In the last few days, 321 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:19,160 I guess suffered a hand injury of some kind and it forced him to 322 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,839 be dropped from the card and you know, pull off the show because he 323 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,119 couldn't go. So, as you mentioned, they have to do something to 324 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,960 add to that card. So they've made the decision, and I'm glad they 325 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:32,920 did this. Actually, uh it does make the pay per view better. 326 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,000 Uh they added the don't I mean, I'm assuming they had to talk to 327 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:37,920 Donaar and Santiago to get their permission, because it's hard, you know, 328 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,880 when you're bannom weights and your you're just a few days away from making the 329 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,680 weight and now you got to wait another You got to maintain your weight essentially 330 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,160 for two more weeks. That ain't easy to do when you're when you're one 331 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,839 hundred and eighteen pounds. So kudos to Donaire, always a top pro. 332 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:57,440 Same goes for Santiago, who's getting this great opportunity also. But the two 333 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,720 guys were excited to move to the show based on their public statements, and 334 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,720 so in fact this will now take the place of the Ramos fight on the 335 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:08,920 Spence Crawford pay per view, which I think for the for the viewing public 336 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,400 and for those of us that will be inside the arena, it's a good 337 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,599 thing. And so besides that, you also had a scenario where the original 338 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,880 undercard fight of the pay per view, the heavyweight fight between Victor Faust and 339 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,880 and Gergen Hovenisi, and the up and coming prospect Faust had a back injury, 340 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,519 so they took one of the other fights from that undercard and they moved 341 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:33,440 it up onto the pay per view. And then if you go back to 342 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,160 the Saturday card on showtime that we have coming up this weekend, you have 343 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,880 a scenario where now that you've lost the Donair fight, you know you have 344 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,599 to replace that on the broadcast. So they took one of those undercard fights, 345 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,480 a fight between an undefeated prospect named freydis Rojas, a welterweight and it 346 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:56,279 is ten and oh with ten knockouts, and then moved his fight with Diego 347 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,680 Santiago into the televised portion of the show. And just the backtrack for a 348 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,920 second, the fight that's moving on to the Spence and Crawford fight is also 349 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:07,400 you know, it may not be you know, you're not going to necessarily 350 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,599 recognize all the all the names of the guys because they're they're they're not household 351 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,359 names. But the thing is they're going to give these guys some tremendous exposure 352 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,839 by by having them in this big spot. So that means that you're going 353 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,920 to get a chance, I guess, to see somebody that you wouldn't have 354 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,559 seen before. So Sergio Garcia, when Mention was supposed to be the opponent 355 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,480 for Ramos, he's going to stay on the cart. He's a very experienced 356 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,359 fighter from Spain who's you know, he fought Fandor. He's been in the 357 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,279 ring with some good opponents over the years. You know, has a tremendous 358 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,880 record. So they're putting him in the ring with this twenty three year old 359 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,039 Cuban fighter named Tlez who was a train being trained by Ronnie Shields. So 360 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,799 he's only five and oh with four knockouts, but obviously, if you know 361 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,480 anything about the Cuban system, he's clearly gonna be much more advanced than what 362 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,359 you would think of as an ordinary five and oh guy. We'll see how 363 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,000 it goes because he's taken on a real guy in Garcia. We saw what 364 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,400 happened to Joelvis Gomez, another hot shot Cuban who only had like fights. 365 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,880 He got beat last week, so there's some intrigue there. So you know, 366 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,680 I would say this, given the problems when you've got multiple injuries that 367 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,519 affect the pay per view, I feel like the PBC folks and Showtime and 368 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,279 TGB promotions never even involved, feel like they did put their best foot forward 369 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,599 to beef up the pay per view as best as possible. I still think 370 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,000 it's I actually think it's slightly improved. Nothing against Ramos, but I liked 371 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:25,839 seeing Don't Air in a World Championship fight on the paper view better. And 372 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,640 in terms of the Showtime card, it's on Saturday. You're seeing another prospect 373 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,519 just take the place for another you're taking you see him take the place of 374 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,119 the Don't Air fight. But that wasn't the biggest show in the world to 375 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,400 begin with, So I'm okay with all of it. Okay, so we'll 376 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,400 get into that show. And just one more second about Frank Martin headlining it. 377 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,480 Just because you are who you are. Can you recall even in recent 378 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,519 history where they went to a couple of fighters who are trying to make a 379 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,839 weight at one eighteen and days before their fight, say no, no, 380 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,480 wait a minute, can you do this in two weeks? Keep training? 381 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,519 Because a lot of times these guys, without going into all of it for 382 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:04,319 fifteen more minutes, these guys are timing their weight cut and their preparation around 383 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,200 dates. Certain a week from now, seventy two hours from now, we 384 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,039 were within seventy two to ninety six hours, seventy two hours of the way 385 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:18,519 in for sure. So can you recall another one of these that for promotional 386 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,920 reasons and other reasons, let's wait two weeks. You keep training. It's 387 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,720 not an injury for either guy that we need to wait a month or two. 388 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,920 You keep training, and we're gonna do this in two weeks. Do 389 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,720 you recall that at all? You know? I really don't. I mean, 390 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:34,319 I'm sure if I really, if I researched and spend time, I 391 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,599 mean, we could find an example or two over all the years I've been 392 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,359 writing about boxing. But it's it's no doubt, it's highly unusual. And 393 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,920 now I don't know this to be the case, but I would say this, 394 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,880 they're moving from a what I feel like was a very low budget kind 395 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,440 of Showtime fight to one of the biggest fights of the year, if not 396 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,319 the biggest fight of the year. It certainly it's going to be a major 397 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,839 pay per view and it's going to generate millions and millions and millions and millions 398 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,440 of dollars. So it would not surprise me. I don't know this, 399 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,319 but it shock me is if hey, guys, would you be able to 400 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,240 wait two more weeks? By the way, no Needle, here's an extra 401 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,599 hundred here you go, Uh, Santiago, here's an extra hundred whatever. 402 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,119 In other words, maybe give them a little extra sweetener in their purse to 403 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,559 make it worth their while, because I guarantee you there's a lot more money 404 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,519 in a Crawford Spence event in terms of the budget than there is in a 405 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:23,279 Showtime Championship boxing card for this weekend. So and I, yeah, I'm 406 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:26,720 not I don't know that to be the case. I would hope that to 407 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,039 make it work, that that there would be uh that that uh situation where 408 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,119 the guys could get a little more money to make it worth a while to 409 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,519 make the switch. Um, I don't know for sure. I'm gonna I'll 410 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:40,759 ask around about that actually, see if I can figure that out. But 411 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,759 that would that would seem to be the right thing to do. Um. 412 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,240 But in any event, that's the case. So the show goes on and 413 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,000 it's still a good looking pay per view card, and Showtime's card on Saturday 414 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:55,359 is obviously a little weaker because there's no Donair. But still, you know, 415 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:56,799 the main event is Frank Martin. That's still in place, and that's 416 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,519 what we've got. So let's get into that little bit more. Martin obviously 417 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,039 off the win over Michelle Rivera in a head to head showdown, So give 418 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:08,440 me a little more on this, including the opponent and then the rest of 419 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,279 the card real quick in the preview mode coming in Las Vegas. Well, 420 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,680 Martin, as you mentioned, he has that big win against the previously unbeaten 421 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,519 Michelle Rivera. I remember when that happened last year and in December on Showtime 422 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,200 also and also at the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas. That was like considered like 423 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,720 a dangerous fight for both guys, Like a lot of people were surprised, 424 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,839 like they've got these two younger guys up and coming. Both were undefeated and 425 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,960 they both gambled there undefeated records against each other, which is you know, 426 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,960 I think that should happen more often. It is prize fighting after all, 427 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,400 but you know it's not too common these days. But they took the gamble. 428 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,279 They weren't making huge money for that fight. As it turned out, 429 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:47,119 Frank Martin, you know, just completely dominated the fight when you know, 430 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,519 a near shutout, like it was a shot out of one card that you 431 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,079 know. One judge gave Rivera two rounds, one gave him I think three 432 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,960 rounds. And of course afterwards Rivera had a positive drug test which he was 433 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,519 suspended for. But Frank Martin looked tremendous in that fight and one going away 434 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,480 in a unanimous decision. So now we comes back and he's fighting in a 435 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:07,799 WBC lightweight eliminator against Artin Harte Tunian, who was a German an Armenian born 436 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,480 fighter, but he's based out of Germany. He was a medal winner in 437 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,400 the twenty and twenty Olympics, I take that back, in the twenty sixteen 438 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,039 Olympics for Germany and also undefeated twelve and h was seven knockouts. He's obviously 439 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,960 was a good amateur, has been a little bit not as active as maybe 440 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,519 you'd like to see. He hasn't, like I said, hasn't had a 441 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,359 lot of fights, but this is the opportunity for both them. It's gonna 442 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,799 be his first fight at least as far as I look at his record like 443 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,920 against like a real guy like his, he really hasn't fought anybody. I 444 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,319 mean, I mean, he's fought some undefeated guys in this net, but 445 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,000 really nobody's ever gone anywhere. It's gonna be his first fine fighting outside of 446 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:45,839 Germany. So you know, props to him for coming to America to do 447 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,559 the fight. But uh, you know, I've liked Frank Martin for the 448 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,880 last couple of years since I've been watching him, had him on a prospect 449 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,519 list. You know, he's out of the Errol Spence gym. He's one 450 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,319 of the Derek James guys. Errol Spence's Man Down Promotions actually promotes him. 451 00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:00,519 He's very tight with Errol And uh, you know that gym loaded you got 452 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,079 in. Frank Martin getting ready for fight, Anthony Josh, We're getting ready 453 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,880 for the fight. Erroll Spence getting ready for a fight. Charlot getting ready 454 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,119 for a fighting. Even though he's gotten ready, not getting ready for a 455 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,839 fight. Ryan Garcia has been their training now with there, that's a phenomenal 456 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,119 gym with those level guys all there together. But Frank Martin may be the 457 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,319 least known of them, but he's a really good looking young fighter at seventeen 458 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,880 and oz. And it's a second straight showtime main event. I think part 459 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,559 of that's because, as I mentioned before, he fits in the budget. 460 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,799 But I expect Frank Martin to put on a tremendous performance. He's a really 461 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,960 good fighter. He's very well rounded, he has good punching power, he's 462 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,359 got good skills, he's got smarts. I like him a lot, and 463 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,039 you know, I mean again, it's not the biggest fight I ever saw, 464 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,240 but I am interested to watch Frank on Saturday and see how he performs 465 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,240 on the undercard. Also, now Elvis Rodriguez and Victor Postall are there as 466 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:52,200 well. Give me a little quick thought on that before we move off, 467 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,359 so that before all the changes got made with the injuries that we were talking 468 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,759 about. That was the original opener of this of this telecast. But Elvis 469 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,279 Rodriguez, you know, he he's been a guy that was considered a prospect 470 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:03,920 by a lot of people top rank Adam. They were making him out like 471 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,319 he was the next big thing. I was never that impressed with the guy. 472 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:08,880 Uh, not that he was bad, but I didn't I didn't see 473 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,960 like superstar when I was watching watching him. He's a south ball from the 474 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Dominican Republican trained by Freddie Roach. He's fourteen one and one and he's looked 475 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,640 okay since his most recent fights since he's joined PBC. UM. He got 476 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:25,200 you know, Joseph Adorno, who we saw you know, get beat over 477 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,079 last weekend. That was his most recent fight in February. He won against 478 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,519 him in a competitive fight, but he knocked him down a couple of times. 479 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:33,960 But now he's taken like I think, you know, not a huge 480 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,720 It's a step up for sure, uh compared to some of the other guys 481 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,920 he's fought. But Victor Postal is a is A is the if you could 482 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,240 put in in the dictionary a picture next to the definition of grizzled veteran, 483 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,720 that's Victor Postal. Guy was really really good, fought a lot of good 484 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,039 guys, you know, had a world title, lost it in a unification 485 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,279 against Terrence Crawford years ago in twenty and sixteen and got white doubt, but 486 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,000 he's never ducked anybody. Also fought Josh Taylor, he thought and gave a 487 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,720 lot of people thought he beat Jose Ramirez when he challenged him for the unified 488 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,920 two belts at one forty back in twenty twenty. He took a close I'm 489 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,920 not a not a close loss, but each round to round I guess was 490 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,599 kind of competitive defeat against Gary Antoine Russell. That was his last fight, 491 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,480 that took place in February of last year. So he's coming off of a 492 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,839 long laugh. He's one of the guys that's had been in that's been impacted 493 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,759 by what's happening in Ukraine, which is where he's from, but he trains 494 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,440 out of southern California. Also has been with Freddie Roach for many years, 495 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,359 and so it's it's kind of a step up because it's the most experienced guy 496 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:40,680 that Elvis has fought. And one thing about Victor Postal, you know, 497 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,960 he may not beat the top guys these days, but he's only been stopped 498 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,680 one time and uh, you know, he gives a great effort. The 499 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,599 only guy to stop him was Gary Antoine Russell has got really good punching power. 500 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,920 That was his last fight, so he's coming off the t KO. 501 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,759 So this is again it's like what you would consider a crossroads fight. It's 502 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,799 the young guy who's looking to make a name for himself, get to get 503 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,039 a quality name like Victor Postal on the record, a former title holder, 504 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,240 and Victor post All looking to hang on to his career. And if he 505 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,319 can take a win against a guy that a lot of people think is uh, 506 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,480 you know, got a future, that would be a big, big 507 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,000 statement for him. So that's the co future and then the undercard. This 508 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,720 is the fight that's moved onto the card once done Air exited the event. 509 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,400 As I mentioned, there's a young weltervate named freydis Rojas who's ten and oh 510 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,240 with ten knockouts. He's a Las Vegas southpaw, knocking everybody out. He's 511 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:32,440 I think he's passed. He's had a couple of fights where one of them 512 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,200 was on like one of these uh you know, tape delay type show was 513 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,240 on cable TV, etc. He's fought in different countries, has even though 514 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,960 he's from America, he's fought in Costa Rica in places like that. So 515 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,000 this is the chance for him to finally get an opportunity to be seen by 516 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:51,359 a much larger audience, you know, from the United States. So you 517 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680 know Diego Sanchez, you know, a Mexican fighter with some losses, but 518 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,559 hopefully he'll give him some competition. And you know, I can't say no 519 00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:59,440 a lot about the guy, but hopefully we'll see a good fight. What 520 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:05,000 can I say? So there's the showtime PBC card in Las Vegas, and 521 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,480 moving right along, let's go to the match room to zone show. This 522 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:14,519 is Ladies Undisputed Junior Lightweight title on the line. Alicia Bomb Gardner puts her 523 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:21,119 WBC, WBO, IBFWBA titles up for grabs. Christina Lindartu, who we've 524 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,279 talked about before on this podcast, had trouble with the boxing British Boxing Board 525 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:30,920 of Control getting license because of eye problems. No such problem apparently, here 526 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,839 licensed and ready to go as a challenger at one hundred and thirty pounds for 527 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,880 bomb Gardner, who's most known for winning the undisputed title by beating MICHAELA. 528 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,759 Mayer. So she's headlining in Detroit. Tell me more about this and the 529 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,920 undercard coming Saturday night in the Motor City. Mighty one. So a couple 530 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,599 of things. She didn't win the undisputed title against Michael Is. She unified 531 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,440 against Michael and then she became the undisputed in the next fight against which I 532 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,920 have you here to keep me straight in the audience, right, thank you? 533 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,480 Are you going? The other thing is Lindarto. I would not term 534 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:07,759 her issue in licensing in England as eye problems. She's had a a artificial 535 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,239 lens in her eye for many many I think her whole career practically never been 536 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,000 a problem. That's fought in the UK with it before, when she fought 537 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,679 and gave Katie Taylor a solid fight. She's fought in other countries. For 538 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,559 whatever reason, they flagged it there and they wouldn't let her fight, but 539 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,280 it didn't give her a problem before. It hasn't given her a problem at 540 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,920 any point in her career to my knowledge, and there was no problem with 541 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920 her being a licensed here in the United States, so that seemed like an 542 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920 anomaly. So I just I just don't like the term problem. She has 543 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,039 an artificial lens which they said you can't fight with, which she had when 544 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,400 she fought there last time, so that when you I'm just saying in general, 545 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,159 wouldn't you think they did some kind of vision exam and that's what concerned 546 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,719 them and or medical So they had to them. But they had to them 547 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,840 if they I'm just saying common sense. If they licensed her before for having 548 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,440 this and then they come back around and they wouldn't do it, it had 549 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,760 to be some kind of change. Here's the analogy, teach. I've been 550 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,840 traveling on American airlines for twenty years, all my miles thousand trips literally like 551 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,920 probably one hundred and thirty to forty trips to Las Vegas in that time period, 552 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,880 I've traveled with the same black roller bag every single time, literally every 553 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:24,440 single fucking time I've had You've explay years iron Man performance by that piece of 554 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:28,800 luggage, Yes, you've been playing. Yes, So I know how to 555 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,039 pack that piece of luggage, and I know how that piece of luggage fits 556 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,639 on the airplane, and I know that it fits in the overhead been and 557 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,679 I've traveled with it in the overhead been a million times. And on my 558 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,280 last trip to Las Vegas, the motherfucker at the gate the TSA agent was 559 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,920 like at the tsage at the American Agent, you gotta put it in the 560 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,920 little box to make sure it fits, and I had to kind of jibble 561 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,920 it down there a little bit, and and they didn't like it, and 562 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,559 they made me fucking check the bag, same fucking thing. Her eye was 563 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,639 fine all that time. And one dick said, you can't fight same thing 564 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,920 with my airline bag when I know, goddamn well it fits in the fucking 565 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,880 upper head on the overhead the way, I have not heard this story about 566 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,840 the airline bag until this moment, But brother Raypheel is going are rated with 567 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,639 the tirade here, by the way, I had to say, but the 568 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,000 only thing I understand what you're saying. The only thing is with your vision 569 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:28,519 and being licensed to fight. I'm speaking from experience. My vision is getting 570 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,440 worse, Raypheel, I'm almost there. I'm gonna have to have readers. 571 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,719 I'm gonna have to have readers to be able reading glasses to read. So 572 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,280 when we're talking about your vision, that's what makes me think they did some 573 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,920 kind of test in their concern. Otherwise, why did they license her before 574 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:50,360 if it's If it's not some kind of vision tests hypoetical with my roller bag 575 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,880 for twenty years and then, but I can tell you, because I just 576 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,360 live this with American Airlines and we're gonna bang on them. And this is 577 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,159 the reason why I'm not gonna fly them anytime soon. They have put in 578 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,159 new restrictions with the types of planes they have recently. And this is what 579 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:08,920 got explained to me because I paid for and checked a smaller bag and they're 580 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,800 they're people that were standing there. I was not going to be able to 581 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,159 take two things on the plane. There are people that were standing there. 582 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,480 Didn't say to me, what you have right there is too big. Put 583 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:21,840 it in that box over here, because you're not gonna be able to take 584 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,159 it on the plane. And so I took it upstairs, got through security, 585 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,679 went to the gate, and then American hit me with what they hit 586 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:35,400 you with, with no I understanding. So here's my thing. I complained. 587 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,519 I complained, I complained at the time they're charging me. I've complained 588 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,880 online and to this second, nobody has ever answered me on my complaint in 589 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,400 my example, So they're dead to me, like mafia terms. Americans dead 590 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,360 to me. You can keep flying them if you want to. But that's 591 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,880 well, that's because I got all my mis I get the premise, I 592 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,199 get the analogy. I'm just saying, with your vision, you you can 593 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,559 see your vision gets worse. And maybe he was part of this. He's 594 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,480 had the lens her whole career, never been a problem. Let's get on 595 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,119 to the fight. She's fighting Bomb Garner for the undisputed title. The intriguing 596 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,320 fact about this fight, if you considered intriguing, does that Alicia Bomb Garner, 597 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,039 who is coming off of becoming the undisputed champion and she is one of 598 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:22,480 the best women's boxers out there. She is fourteen and one with seven knockouts. 599 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:24,519 Is is a homecoming fight in Detroit. They're having it at the Masonic 600 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,679 Temple, which is a historic facility that has had some boxing matches in the 601 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,559 past. And instead of going home and just picking nobody to sort of celebrate 602 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,440 and do a victory lap and and you know, celebrate your championship in your 603 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,159 accomplishment, they picked Lendartu, who is the only woman to ever beat her. 604 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,639 In twenty eighteen, they had a boxing match, an eight rounder that 605 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,960 took place in Louisville, Kentucky, and Lendartu one an eight round split decision. 606 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,760 And so this is a bomb Garner's opportunity to have a homecoming fight, 607 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,960 defend the undisputed title for the first time, and in the same fight, 608 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,639 attempt to get revenge for the only loss of her career. So that's the 609 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,599 story line period. And but Landartu she's I don't know if i'd say she's 610 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,519 on the level of uh, you know, the the elite pound for pound 611 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,960 women out there, but she's certainly not far below. She has own set 612 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,639 of accomplishments, and like I said, she gave Katie Taylor a very tough 613 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,440 fight in two at the end of twenty nineteen, and she's being some other 614 00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,679 women with names. She did defeat Bomb Garner. She's got to win over 615 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,599 Candy White, who was on the feed to spot for the title just a 616 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,000 couple of weeks ago. A title. She has also lost a Delphine Pursuona 617 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,920 as one of the top women out there who I thought beat Katie Taylor when 618 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,639 they had their first fight. That was a fight I was out of the 619 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,000 garden on the I believe it was the Anthony Joshua Andy Ruise undercard for the 620 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,679 first fight. And anyway, so as women's boxing matches go, this seems 621 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:45,440 like a perfectly fine legit solid fight for this event. The disappointing part about 622 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,239 the event is that Richardson Hitchens was supposed to fight Montana Love in the co 623 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,440 future in a few weeks ago. That fight was called off because of the 624 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,239 fact that Montana Love, I guess had some type of injury and was not 625 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,800 able to go, and I guess there's some plans to try to reschedule that 626 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,719 later, you know, into the early part of the fall. But it 627 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,360 did kind of leave let's be honest, you know, it left this card 628 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,000 a little bit thin. So he got Bomb Garner in the main event. 629 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,760 He got the co feature is a ten round fight in the lightweight division, 630 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,480 which is the Olympic gold medal winner Andy Cruz, who's known as an amateur 631 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,119 not only for his gold medal, but he's also got like four amateur wind 632 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:25,039 over the tremendous prospect Keishan Davis. So he's fighting the useful veteran Juan Carlos 633 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,599 Burgos, who at the end of that year was beaten pillar to post and 634 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,559 a one sided route by Keishan Davis. So that's why they picked him to 635 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,440 make that comparison. So here's my thing about Andy Cruse obviously a very talented 636 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,760 fighter, great amateur fighter. I've seen numerous of his amateur fights and if 637 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,559 you want to watch him, there are a lot of them on YouTube and 638 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,280 watching his various Olympic games and all that. He fights like the stereotypically Cuban 639 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,440 in the sense that he is not crowd pleasing, he is not fan friendly. 640 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,320 My hope is that now that he's in the professional ranks with the smaller 641 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,199 gloves and you know, it's more about doing damage to your opponent than just 642 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,519 touching him in a point and running away, that he'll become more of a 643 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,880 crowdpleaser and follow in the professional Cuban ranks of the guys who have been crowdpleasers 644 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:14,039 at times, like a like a Joel Cassimayor who made some tremendous fights, 645 00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,480 or in the heavyweight division with uh, you know, King cong Ortiz, 646 00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:22,199 and not like some of his countrymen like a Rigando or an Arislanny Laura at 647 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,239 the early stage of his career. We'll see. So that's that's like a 648 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,880 very nominal co feature to me. It should have been. Obviously they didn't 649 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,079 really upgrade the card when that other fights. Just a quick comment I thought 650 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,760 it's unusual too. It's a pro debut right for Andy Cruz, and it's 651 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,760 a ten round fight, so that's interesting too, so say, but a 652 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,360 ten interesting. Yeah, he's taken that Lomachenko route where you know he's gonna 653 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,199 move quickly. According to match Room Boxing, when Eddie Hearns signed him, 654 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:47,880 he said, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, you know, 655 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,320 get him. This is not a guy that's gonna have, you know, 656 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,039 a whole bunch of fights before he's fighting for some type of stakes unless he, 657 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,480 I guess loses. So by example, Keyshawn Davis was fighting six round 658 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,480 fights rounds or eight round fights the first couple three fights. This is just 659 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,679 a ten round fight, just so we let people know. In Cruise's debut 660 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,199 on this undercard continue one, yeah, I mean Cruizes. Cruise is much 661 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,320 older than Keishan. Keishan was a much younger fighter, uh, and everybody's 662 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,480 got to go at their own pace. Keshan needed a couple of those types 663 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,440 of fights early on, and Top Rank realized very quickly that he didn't need 664 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:22,559 them anymore. And that's why he's you know, now fighting in higher profile 665 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,760 fights against better opponents than the guy that he fought in his most recent fight. 666 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,440 I mean, what's Keishan now? Nine and no right now is the 667 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,159 same guy that cruises fighting this pro debut. So okay, that's the co 668 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,960 feature. And also, and they've really not publicize this at all. I'm 669 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,159 not not really sure why. But Jermaine Franklin, the American heavyweight who was 670 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,840 from from Detroit or from sagan On, Michigan, but you know in Michigan, 671 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,400 his last two fights were pretty high profile. He lost a very good, 672 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,920 outstanding battle with Dylan White in November of last year. That was a 673 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,840 really good matchup. His next fight after that, he came back on just 674 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,719 five months later, four and a half months later, and he fought Anthony 675 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,320 Joshua. When Joshua was coming off the loss, it was sick. It 676 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,760 was Joshua was first fight with Derek James, and he gave you know, 677 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,079 he didn't win the fight, but he gave Joshua a solid fight. He 678 00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:08,320 lost, you know, fair and square in the cards, but it wasn't 679 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,280 like he didn't try and it wasn't like a terrible fight. And uh so 680 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,679 now he's coming back on this card. It's sort of like a get well 681 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,639 like, let me see if I can get a win and you know, 682 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,159 move on with things. So he's taken on Israel. Munio's in the co 683 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,280 feature, I mean not the co feature, but the third fight down the 684 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,639 card, and you know he gets some heavyweight action. We'll say, but 685 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,440 again it's uh, it's uh, it's let's just be honest. It's if 686 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,119 you like bomb Gardner and she's worth watching, then you're in for probably pretty 687 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,760 good fight. If you're not, uh, it's it's it's a rough one, 688 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,559 this one. It's a thin fight card, that is for sure. 689 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,639 And by the way, keep it real, and I understand that's what the 690 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,000 fans appreciate it. We both keep it. We both keep it real. 691 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:52,159 Hitch Hitchens in against uh against Luve made the Hitchens Hitchens Hitchens in love. 692 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,360 But we will talk about hits and Son. Oh Hitchens. Yeah, you're 693 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,159 right, Hitchings Hitching Richards Richardson Hitchens. There you go. We will handicap 694 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,079 these fights, by the way, on the bet us show, including the 695 00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,320 Frank Martin Showtime PBC main event and the Bomber Gardner main event. So'll be 696 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,000 with us Friday one Eastern time, depending on when you're hearing us. Bet 697 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:14,880 us platforms will be good on that. All right, let's move on some 698 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000 news and some nostalgia before we get out of here quickly. On the news, 699 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:24,760 hey tell a female Lopez not vacating the WBO one and forty pound title. 700 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,679 Who saw that coming? Okay, how can this be? No, 701 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,199 it's exactly what we thought, which is when push came to shove, he 702 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,559 didn't give the belt up. Give me more real quick. What a waste 703 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,960 of everybody's fucking time. I mean, he texted Paco of our Parcel, 704 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:45,360 the WBO president, and said, I'm vacating the title. The WBO didn't 705 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,280 accept that as a formal abdication of the belt. He said, bright, 706 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,000 ess a formal letter, okay, fair enough, And he didn't do it. 707 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,400 He didn't do it. And then finally the WBO was like, okay, 708 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,119 they did a resolution a few days ago, said you have twenty four 709 00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,000 hours to notify us if you're going to keep the title or not. Then 710 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,719 that, by the way, that's not unreasonable at all. And so in 711 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,159 the end, they had a nine o'clock deadline on Thursday night and he notified 712 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:12,760 them, you know, soon before that said he'd elected to keep the title. 713 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,480 And then I spoke to his manager, David mcgwater, who said, 714 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:19,079 look, and he said what I said, even if Tifimo actually wanted to 715 00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,639 retire, just to head your bet, just in case you change your mind. 716 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,000 Since he's not enclumbered by a mandatory, there's nothing that he has to 717 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,840 do at the time. He could sit on his title for six months and 718 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,440 really think about what he wants they were eight months or whenever, his next 719 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,559 mandatory would be doing like a year from now, and not give up the 720 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,920 title. So mcgwater's perspective was, hey, let's just not give up a 721 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,840 title. You can still retire if you want, but no reason to give 722 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,320 it away for nothing until you have to. So the decision was made between 723 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,119 David and Tiofimo and Tifimo's father, Tiofimo Senior, that he would keep the 724 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,280 DELT. They notified the w BO okay, and and mcgwater was saying, 725 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,519 well, he still might retire, he still might retire, Okay, fine, 726 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,039 And then of course, like within forty five minutes of me and Dave 727 00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,360 having that conversation, you know, Tifimo and Devin Haney are getting into it 728 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,880 on on Twitter, and he's saying I'm not coming out of or I'm coming 729 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,920 out of retirement. You know, why don't you you know, uh, 730 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,039 you know, I want to fight you because you know, look, there's 731 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,840 been this rivalry, not that they were in the ring together, but the 732 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,960 whole controversy. And I wrote about this in my piece about it. Tiafimo 733 00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,559 Lopez claims that he had been the undisputed lightweight champion. There are those of 734 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:23,760 us, like myself that says, you're a hell of a fighter, and 735 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,079 you were the unified champion, you were the lineal champion, but you were 736 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,280 never the undisputed because you beat loma Chenko, who gave up the WBC title, 737 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,840 took the trophy belt of the franchise title. You did win that when 738 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,440 it wasn't even supposed to be transferable in the ring, as outlined when the 739 00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:43,880 WBC announced its creation, and it was to no fault of Devin Haney's that 740 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,280 he was the interim champion. Wanted to fight Lomachenko, who, understandably and 741 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,000 I don't fault him for this, said I'm not going to fight Haney, 742 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:53,519 who was not really that. I wanted to bring a lot to the table, 743 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:55,880 was with a different promoter. I'm gonna go fight the big fight with 744 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,840 Tifimo Lopez, who was at the time the IBF champion Weeking Unify. It's 745 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,679 a big deal for ESPN, for top rank, there's a lot more money. 746 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,039 There was a fight that fans wanted to see. So he went and 747 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,599 he fought Tiafimo, and Tifimo beat him and he got the belts, but 748 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,480 he didn't get the real WBC belt, which was Haney's because he was elevated. 749 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,960 And then Tiofimo lost his belts to Cambosis, and then Cambosis lost twice 750 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,960 to Haney, and then Haney also beat Loma Chanko, And so the question 751 00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,159 is who's the real undisputed lightweight champ at that time? It was it Haine 752 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,920 or was it Tifimo? I say, and I know I'm on the right 753 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,400 side of history. It was definitely Devin Haney. Now, Tifimo was rightfully 754 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,159 the lineal champion in the WBO, champion in the junior welterweight division off the 755 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,800 victory against Josh Taylor. So to match those two guys together, especially when 756 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,400 Haney's been talking about moving up and wait, that's a pretty big fight. 757 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:45,320 Is it the same level? A fight as if Tiofimo or to fight a 758 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,719 Tank Davis or Ryan Garcia, or if Devin Haney fought one of those two 759 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,079 guys. Know, but it's a tremendous matchup. It's a very makeable fight. 760 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,519 Tiofimo was with Top Rank. Hany is a free agent but has been 761 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,719 with Top Rank for his last few fights. I don't think it will be 762 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,519 you know, they're all They're all gonna drive a hard bargain, but in 763 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,960 the end, both guys are at a similar level of earning in their career. 764 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,320 Neither guys made massive money, but they can afford it. It's a 765 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,119 pay per view level of fight. They've both drawn okay crowds. They've both 766 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:20,000 done well. Tfmal's got the one pay per view under his belt with Lopez, 767 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,159 which did nice business. It's just a very makeable, very interesting fight 768 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,000 that I believe could do very well on pay per view. Let's see if 769 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,079 they can actually get that shit done. Okay. So that was going on 770 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,800 on Wednesday night, and that's how Wednesday night began for Devin Haney and Wednesday 771 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,440 night ended for Devin Haney early Thursday morning, Pacific time, with him being 772 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:45,440 arrested for possession of a semi automatic handgun. The details are these. LAPD 773 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:52,559 did a traffic stop outside of a nightclub where Haney had been and they found 774 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,119 a handgun. I believe Haney notified them there was a handgun in the car. 775 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,639 Nobody would claim whose it was because the car was regi to him and 776 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:06,039 Haney was not driving the vehicle. They took him into custody on a felony 777 00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,920 charge. Now, his father, Bill Haney, has given public comments here 778 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,639 saying it's all a big misunderstanding, something new. It always something something new 779 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:17,840 from those that are arrested. It's all a big misunderstanding that'll be straightened out. 780 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,760 But this is a felony. It's a felony for having possession of a 781 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,800 semi automatic concealed weapon in a vehicle in California. So when we add that 782 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,360 to the soup here reading in reading the report from TMZ which broke this story. 783 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,719 They he was coming out of a club midnight, young kid in Los 784 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,599 Angeles. He wasn't driving the car, sitting. They actually had video of 785 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:44,119 him getting in the car and all that, and apparently the cops pulled them 786 00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:45,760 over or pulled over the car, not him. I mean whoever was the 787 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,920 driver of the car for an unsafe lane change and failure to use a turn 788 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960 signal. So I would just say to all of you out there that are 789 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,760 going to have a weapon in your car, make sure you use your blinker, 790 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,960 make sure you don't change lanes on safe you know. So we get 791 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,880 stopped in again. And by the way, if you've watched enough of this 792 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,360 with these now reality shows, the new the new one is called on patrol, 793 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,400 the other one is called live PD. Typically, law enforcement will come 794 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:16,360 up to whomever they're dealing with and say, do you have anything in the 795 00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:21,960 vehicle? And so that that is again what happened here. They said do 796 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,840 you have it? And he said there's a loaded gun under the back under 797 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,880 the driver's seat, I guess, And so that's how that came about. 798 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,800 This is it's very reminiscent. I'm actually not sure what the end result was. 799 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,159 I actually need to make a couple of calls and check on this. 800 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,280 But I mean, it's not that long ago. What is it like a 801 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,039 month ago, a month and a half ago. We're also in Los Angeles. 802 00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,119 The aunt a Wilder with his tinted windows got pulled over for that situation 803 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,760 and also was found to have had I believe it was definitely a gun. 804 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,199 I guess a loaded gun in that Carlie he was accustodying Elanie charge and is 805 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,519 now dealing with that. So I don't know. These guys are are are 806 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,519 the great fighters in the world, who can can can snap your neck with 807 00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:05,159 one shot? Why do you got to carry a weapon? I mean, 808 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,880 I mean, and if you're going to carry a listen, and that was 809 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,679 I mean. I'm being facetious when I say that. If you're going to 810 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,159 carry a weapon, which I look, I'm not a big gun guy. 811 00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,559 I'm not into that stuff. But if if you feel like you need to 812 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:21,159 have a weapon, just do it legally, that's all. And it's tougher 813 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:22,280 in some states. You know, the state that I'm in, not the 814 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,159 State of Confusion, but the state of Florida. There are more relaxed gun 815 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,480 laws on what you're allowed to carry, what your security guards allowed to have, 816 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,440 that kind of thing. And he did have security with him at the 817 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,440 club and in the car. My family this week, my wife and son 818 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,440 are in Texas, which is the biggest open carry state in the country. 819 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,719 Incorrect, So it just varies and in California, not unlike New York. 820 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,559 There are different rules and different laws for you to have that. So hopefully 821 00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,920 and hopefully from what what Bill Haney said is I hope, I mean I 822 00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,679 was being facetious before about that. I do hope it's a misunderstanding and there's 823 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,280 some type of reason and that if it isn't, that it wasn't. Actually 824 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,760 Haney's gone, and you know he's good to go. Uh. You know, 825 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,000 you don't want to screw up your career. He's a tremendous fighter. 826 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,719 And in my knowledge of Devin Haney from meeting him many years ago when he 827 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,119 was a kid, basically, you know, he's a solid citizen. He's 828 00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,440 not a troublemaker generally, I don't know him to be. He's not getting 829 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,400 in bar fights, and he's not disrespecting everybody and and doing terrible things or 830 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,360 cursing people out. You know, he's a young kid that's enjoying his fame 831 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,920 and his wealth, but not a not a bad guy by any stretch. 832 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,000 All Right, we'll get to the rest of the news in nostalgia. Here 833 00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:35,400 we go. So Anthony Joshua and Dillian White is official. We talked about 834 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,559 that on the Recap podcast. They didn't have their press conference this week to 835 00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:44,679 get things rolling. Anything noteworthy there or you know, we're getting ready for 836 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,079 the fight in another month that that will take it. I mean, it's 837 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,840 just it's always interesting to see the two guys interact with each other. I 838 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,840 guess it's interesting. Can I interrupt that Dillian White actually showed up for the 839 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,679 news conference, So this one, unlike the Tyson Fury fight where he was 840 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,480 not there, only his likeness was there. So it's good. I mean 841 00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,320 he's there, yes, but he was fine when he promoted the Jermaine Franklin 842 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,480 fight that you know, that was an issue that he had over his pay 843 00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:08,480 and some motor things. But Dylian's a pretty a pretty chill guy. Are 844 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,559 you talking about when he got the largest paid of his career to fight Tyson 845 00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,280 Fury that he couldn't bother to show up for. Okay, yeah, there 846 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,880 were reasons, but anyway, he was there. There was a good press 847 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,480 conference. I sensed more of a chip on the shoulder of Joshua towards White 848 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,280 than there is from White towards Joshua, Like Joshua seems to think that they 849 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,360 hate him, and it's all this terrible bad blood and white. It's like, 850 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,639 look, I respect your brother. I mean it's business. You know, 851 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,599 we're gonna have a good fight. But he doesn't, Dylan, I 852 00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:36,840 don't think, really hates anybody. He's just a if you ever met the 853 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,280 guy, he's a very likable, very gregarious, very sort of like like 854 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,480 you just want to He's a kind of guy you love to go have a 855 00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:45,800 beer with, go hang out with, you know, go to lunch with. 856 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,719 Just a just a very nice guy. And I like josh w also, 857 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,480 but a little bit more high strung, if you will, in that 858 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:54,199 sense. So there was the interest of watching the two of them playing of 859 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,639 each other at this news conference. And look, their first fight was very 860 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,599 one sided in favor of Joshua scored a knockout, but it was a super 861 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,400 exciting fight and I've heard a lot of people complain about it. In my 862 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,719 perspective is that the fight with Deontay, while they're still on the table. 863 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960 I spoke to while there's manager Shelley Thinkle last night about it, that is 864 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,840 still the plan. It could however, as he mentioned, there's a good 865 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,519 possibility it winds up in January. But they're nervous. They need Joshua to 866 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:20,960 win. They don't want it to mess up their situation, and we'll see 867 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,280 you. I mean, it's Anthony Joshua. I believe sometimes it's still sort 868 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,119 of mentally fragile and you just never know. I think he'll win the fight, 869 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,880 he should win the fight. But you can't count out a guy like 870 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,440 Dylan White, who's got big balls in a huge heart, and he's still 871 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,800 got good power and he wants to avenge the loss. He knows he can 872 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,320 screw up those plans of Joshua's and there's a lot of pressure on Joshua. 873 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,320 So let's see how they both had up. But I suspect in this year 874 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,400 where there haven't been the heavyweight fights we want to see, this is not 875 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,880 a terrible replacement. As I said on the podcast, the iyer from some 876 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,480 is not that the fight's happening. It's that in the UK it's a twenty 877 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:04,159 six dollar welcome welcome to it. Because he was a pay per view guy, 878 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,280 Joshua on Sky Sports for all of his stuff, and this was part 879 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,280 of his lifetime deal to go to his own views in the United States and 880 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,840 every other market in the world other than Ireland than the United Kingdom. It's 881 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,000 on your regular zown subscription, So I'm down with that. We're good with 882 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,519 that, okay. Speaking of the heavyweights, the Unified champ Alexander Usik met 883 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:27,280 with Daniel Dubois over a couple of different press conferences. The second one was 884 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,639 in London on Wednesday of this week, and I guess the big takeaway and 885 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,800 this is not surprising. Here we go again with it's all a big misunderstanding. 886 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,599 Not surprising that an injured fighter says, oh, I'm one hundred percent, 887 00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,840 I'm good to go, which is what Dubois keeps saying about his injured 888 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,840 knee at an ACL injury last December in the right knee in that fight, 889 00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:52,320 and he is proclaimed himself ready physically ready for this fight coming up at the 890 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,400 end of August. He still got another five or six weeks to be fully 891 00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,280 ready for this fight. So that's my that's my takeaway. Anything else worthy 892 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,320 from the startup media coverage of Usk Dubois this week. Yeah, they met 893 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,360 each other in Poland for the first press currents on Monday, then they went 894 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,079 to London on Wednesday. Took a lot of nice pictures, have a lot 895 00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:13,599 of you know, things to say. You know, look Usik and do. 896 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,960 While they're both respectful guys, I don't think you'll see a lot of 897 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,639 trash talk between them. You know a lot of what Usi talks about is 898 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:21,559 to try to, as he says, bring glory to Ukraine and and put 899 00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:25,320 them on on a on a good level in terms of international exposure. Wants 900 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,400 his fights to be like a way for his countrymen who are busy fighting their 901 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,239 war that if they can have a respite for an hour to watch the fight 902 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,440 of his and get some pleasure out of that, that's what he would like 903 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,599 to do. Um. You know, Usik is a is a I think 904 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,360 he's a pretty good guy and he's a hell of a fighter, and I 905 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,280 just think the dubois is in over his head and uh, you know, 906 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,920 we'll see if he can hang in there with him. But you know, 907 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,119 I don't. I don't after seeing the way he reacted with the Lorraine fight, 908 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,480 the one you mentioned that's where he hurt his knee and got knocked down 909 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,440 three times when was lucky to escape with that secondary title. Uh, you 910 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,239 know, I don't think it bodes well against Alexander Usik the one good thing 911 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,320 about this matchup is that at long last, it will once again reduce by 912 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,360 one the number of extraneous titles of w BA has. But it's always been 913 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,239 more of a thorn in terms of the heavyweights because that's the division that gets 914 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,480 so much of the attention. So they'll be down to only one heavyweight champion 915 00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,719 within the w BA. And uh, you know, I've found it interesting 916 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,920 TJ, because we talked about the lack of activity in the good matchups in 917 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,920 the heavyweight division in twenty twenty three and it just was weird to me. 918 00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,840 So we saw the Zang fight against Joe Joyce, that was a pretty good 919 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,360 matchup. Obviously there was an upset in that fight. They're doing a rematch, 920 00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:31,559 but besides that, the division has been so lacked lesser this year. 921 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,639 And then all of a sudden, in the span of two days, you 922 00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:40,239 had the formal announcement of Joshua Versus, Joshua versus White, rematch Us against 923 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,119 Dubois in the mandatory, and obviously Tyson Fury against Frances Zan Ganner. So 924 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,719 you have all the all the big names other than Wilder are in action. 925 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,239 They have got fights scheduled now, and yet none of the fights that were 926 00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:58,079 announced are the fight that most fans want to see. It's not like they're 927 00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:00,760 like, I again, I don't have a all with us fighting Dubois. 928 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,760 It's a mandatory dua. Other than that terrible performance against Lauren, it's not 929 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,360 like he sucks or he's no good. He's still a very good fighter. 930 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:14,320 His only loss was to U Joe Joyce. It's not like the rematcheing Joshua 931 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,280 and White is some terrible matchup. And you know, we've already had our 932 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,920 say on what we think about the Younganu Tyson Fury fight. So but again, 933 00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:25,880 you got all these supposed big fights announced, and not one of them 934 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,719 is like the actual fight that like ninety nine percent of the fans would prefer 935 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,639 to say that's boxing very good, and that leads us to a little nostalgia. 936 00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:38,800 To wrap it up this week, is this correct? You have this 937 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,800 on my sheet? Julio Caesar Chavez Senior. We're talking about he's sixty one 938 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,679 years old, how about that? And we've been talking about him a lot 939 00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:52,480 recently on these podcasts, including his US Network TV debut. The anniversary of 940 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,800 that was just this past weekend. From back in nineteen eighty five when he 941 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,960 killed Roger Mayweather. One of the great fighters of all time is now. 942 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:05,639 First, we had Tyson turning fifty seven, we got Julio Caesar Chavez his 943 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,000 sixty one, and he'd still kick your ass. Well. Probably he's a 944 00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:14,639 He's a Hall of Famer and a legend, no doubt. I will take 945 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:20,119 any opportunity to talk about the greats, and Julio Caesar Chavez among them, 946 00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,360 obviously. And I mean he's been retired now for a long time. You 947 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,639 know, even when I started writing about boxing, he was playing out to 948 00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:29,800 string. He had. He fought a few times during my early days of 949 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,679 covering boxing, but they were behind him. But he's been out of the 950 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,400 ring now on a permanently since two thousand and five. The last few fights 951 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,960 were kind of difficult to watch, let's be honest about it. But in 952 00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,840 his hey day, man, there was no more fun, exciting fighter in 953 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,719 boxing, no more honest fighter in terms of I'm just gonna go there and 954 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,440 beat your brains out, break it down, and knock you out. I 955 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:52,199 never consider him to be a devastating one punch puncher, but he was what 956 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,920 people would call a thumper. He would just beat on you, and beat 957 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,880 on you, and beat on you. Would finally he would follow, would 958 00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,840 he'd bring the axe and chop you down over the of you know, a 959 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,480 bunch of rounds in the fight and punch and take a punch from the best 960 01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:07,920 of the best. I mean, he's got six losses and he got stopped 961 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,320 four times, but they were largely at his last fight of his career. 962 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,280 He got stopped in when he was an old man and totally used up. 963 01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:17,559 He got bulitzed by Costas Do at the end of his career in a in 964 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,760 what was the last world title fight that he fought in two thousand. Um, 965 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,880 you know, he he quit on the stool and the rematch with Oscar 966 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,800 dala Ohio gave him a beating in their second fight. But I mean, 967 01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:30,760 he you know, and he got stopped obviously on the cut in the first 968 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,679 fight by Dalaya. So he never but he never ever went out like I'm 969 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,119 down for the count and I'm on the canvas knocked out. So yes, 970 01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:42,559 it reflects on his record the s four stoppage losses, but none of them 971 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,519 were of the you're out on your you know, you're just out cold type 972 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:50,320 of situation. One hundred and seven wins, six losses and two draws. 973 01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:58,400 Started his career at eighty seven and oh and was eighty not was it eighty 974 01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,880 nine and one before he suffered his first loss to Obviously he should have the 975 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:07,599 first loss in the Yes, Adam o'dome thirty years ago. I daresay, 976 01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:10,679 I don't think I'm going way out on a limb. Don't make fun of 977 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,159 me. You're never You gotta be careful. I always joke like this, 978 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,599 here comes my line. Be careful of words like never, Be careful of 979 01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:22,199 words like forever. Always be careful of the phrase I love you. Be 980 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,760 careful with all of those. You're never gonna see a world champion fighting at 981 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,239 the highest level. Eighty seven and oh again, you're not gonna see somebody 982 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:37,000 fight that many times probably period ever again, much less he easily had, 983 01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,280 wouldn't you say, just off the top of your head, and you got 984 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,599 the list in front of you, twenty world title fights in and around fights 985 01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:51,079 sixty to fight eighty where he was getting to eighty seven something like he fought. 986 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:57,159 I believe that he has the record for participating in the most world championship 987 01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,039 fights in boxing history, which is North of thirty fights, and so when 988 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,480 he lost his first fight against Frankie Randall in what was a big upset. 989 01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,519 This is in nineteen ninety four when he lost the WBC's one forty title, 990 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,039 he did a venge it in an immediate rematch. Obviously, that first fight, 991 01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:15,079 uh was actually the very first main event of the very first boxing match 992 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,599 to take place at the what at the time was brand new MGM Grand Gardnerina, 993 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,519 which has gone on to become one of the most famous facilities in boxing. 994 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,519 They've hosted as zillions of huge fights there for many many years now. 995 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:30,679 I have covered, you know, like I don't know, eighty events at 996 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:34,760 the MGM Grant something like that. But when Chavez was in his heyday, 997 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,840 he was active, he was exciting, He brought in crowds. He appealed 998 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,440 to every every if you didn't like Chavez to watch him. He might love 999 01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:45,519 him or hate him, but he wanted to watch him because he was very 1000 01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:49,679 exciting, and he also fought all the top guys, and he had an 1001 01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,880 attitude and a chip on his shoulder. And you know, I've been fortunate 1002 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,559 that because after his career was over as a professional fighter, he was at 1003 01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:00,239 ringside for numerous numerous fights that I covered, and I always ended up sitting, 1004 01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:02,559 like, you know, in close proximity to them, you know, 1005 01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:06,719 in near the ring. In the first few rows. He was doing the 1006 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,960 broadcast for a lot of this, a lot of the Spanish language broadcast. 1007 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,639 I would see chav Is like in every fight. I got to talk to 1008 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,000 him a little bit, you know, we joke around with each other. 1009 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,480 I just love the guy. I mean, that's not like we're best buddies 1010 01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,119 or we're close friends or anything. You know, he knows me, I 1011 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,679 know him, we see each other, he gives me a hug. It's 1012 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:24,320 like a beautiful thing. I just love the fact that I you know, 1013 01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:28,199 I got to see a lot of things and got to do a lot of 1014 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,039 things as a boxing writer. But if it said to me, you know 1015 01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:34,719 my younger days as as just a die hard boxing fan, you know, 1016 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,599 when I was a teenager in my early twenties, you know, down the 1017 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,079 road, you're gonna get to be a ringside and you're gonna hang out with 1018 01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:43,679 Julio, sayzar Chis, iould get the fuck out of here. I expect, 1019 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,760 like one of the most fun things you can ever possibly imagine to go 1020 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,920 into a press room and have Chavez the Great chav Is come over to you 1021 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,559 and slap down the back and give you a hug it like I want to. 1022 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,199 I just think that's like one of the most awesome things ever that you 1023 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,719 could do. And I'm just super excited and happy that I could experience that 1024 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,360 numerous times in my life. He's a wonderful, uh guy, a phenomenal 1025 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:09,719 fighter. Just I mean, if and I'm we can have this argument on 1026 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,559 the whole show, and you want to talk about a four person boxing now 1027 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,719 Rushmore, Okay, I believe one of those four faces of that Mount Rushmore 1028 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,599 would have to be Julio, says Oar Chavis. And you know there's others 1029 01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:28,159 you could argue about. Obviously, people are gonna say Muhammad Ali. Those 1030 01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:30,360 two I think are probably Sugar Ray Leonard there because you and I, Well, 1031 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,320 that's the thing. Is it gonna be Ray Leonard? Is it gonna 1032 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,840 be Joe Lewis Is it gonna be uh, you know, Floyd Mayweather. 1033 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,440 Is it gonna be a Manny Packett? Is it gonna be No, It's 1034 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,039 not gonna be Canna Oscar No, Yeah, no, Yeah, I mean 1035 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,079 you only got four spots. He got four spots. But I'm telling you 1036 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,880 to me and this, everybody can have their own opinion. It's there's no 1037 01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:57,480 really wrong answer unless you don't agree with me. But uh, I think 1038 01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:00,760 that Chavez would fall into that where because he's of this. We throw around 1039 01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:05,880 legend and icon a lot. This guy is still twenty years after his heyday 1040 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,480 career, twenty five years after his heyday career, a legend, an icon 1041 01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:15,119 eighty seven and oh with all the world title fights and Taylor dramatics included. 1042 01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,880 Arena when he when he's at the at the fight doing the broadcaster, he's 1043 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,480 coming into the press room, it doesn't matter what's going on. The people 1044 01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:30,159 flocked to him to take pictures to talk to I mean, I mean, 1045 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,079 I remember one time. I forget what fight he was at. This is 1046 01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:35,760 like kind of earliest in the card and he comes in to do the broadcast 1047 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,119 with his partners he was doing it. I forget which he was on, 1048 01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:42,760 like Televisa in a next score. Maybe it was Asteca, one of the 1049 01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,800 one of the big Mexican broadcasters. You know, it was early part of 1050 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,920 the undercard, so the arena was not really full, or I think there 1051 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,599 was like a smattering of people there and he walks in and the few hundred 1052 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:55,400 people that were probably there all of a sudden started chanting, chav Is. 1053 01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:58,920 Chav Is just as he's coming to take his position to do the broadcast on 1054 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,840 some of the early some of the early fights. So you know, happy 1055 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,519 Birthday chob is incredible fighter. Meldrick Taylor won one of the most memorable fights 1056 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:11,000 in the history of the sport. He got the win, great comeback, 1057 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,159 most dramatic stoppage ending, and I think in all of boxing history. So 1058 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,960 if I'm making my mount rushmore, the Birthday Boy is one of my four 1059 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,639 guys, no doubt about it. Love that one more piece of nostalgia. 1060 01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:30,480 And it was sixteen years ago coming as we released the podcast here on Friday, 1061 01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:33,800 July fourteenth, two thousand and seven, where HBO had a split title 1062 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:40,920 card. Now this used to be something they did back previously in the only 1063 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,679 one one title fight of the two but split split card that HBO had, 1064 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:50,920 But they used to do this with title fights like the old ABC broadcast on 1065 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:56,360 Network TV would have title fights on the same night on their network in different 1066 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,440 locations. In fact, they had a triple header before we get to your 1067 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,079 nostalgia, had a triple header that involved Sugar Ray Leonard and it involved Big 1068 01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:08,559 John take getting knocked out in Knoxville, Tennessee Tim Burr. And then there 1069 01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:12,159 was like a light heavyweight title fight also in Las Vegas. Three different title 1070 01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:15,559 fights, three different broadcasters, broadcasting the fights in three different locations, all 1071 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:19,199 on the same network on ABC in the same night. How about that. 1072 01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:24,440 But anyway you want to go back sixteen years ago, because it also involved 1073 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,519 one of your guys, thunder Gotti, as part of this split different locations 1074 01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:32,760 card on HBO. So not really a happy memory in that sense because the 1075 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:38,400 card was I was in Atlantic City, this is July fourteenth, two thousand 1076 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,599 and seven at Boardwalk Hall, and it was what turned out to be and 1077 01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:45,880 Gaddy was the favorite to win the fight, but he was so shot at 1078 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,920 that point, you know, it was not, I guess in retrospect, 1079 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,440 not a shock that he lost. But Artura was coming off of having lost 1080 01:07:53,559 --> 01:08:00,119 by upset challenging the then lineal welterweight champion of Carlos Baldimir and getting stopped in 1081 01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:03,039 that fight. And this was the next fight like a year later, hadn't 1082 01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:05,079 fought for a while, and now he comes back and he's supposed to have 1083 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,400 supposedly an easy night against Alfonso Gomez, who had created some fame from his 1084 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:15,639 appearance on the Contender reality period during their season one on NBC, and much 1085 01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:18,720 to everybody's surprise, at least at the moment, maybe again not in retrospect, 1086 01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:25,760 Alfonso Gomez beat him up pretty bad, stopped him, cut his lips, 1087 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,439 severely, stopped him in the seventh round. And as I always like 1088 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,000 to say, even though he got stopped in that fight, like Gaddy always 1089 01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:33,319 did, he was getting off the deck when the ref and everybody stopped that 1090 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:38,000 match. But you know, he retired in the dress room when he called 1091 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,399 it today. He never fought again. That was a you know, a 1092 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,680 sad moment for me and for a lot of Gaddy fans. That was his 1093 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,159 house, a boardwalk call. He had fought there, you know that many 1094 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:48,239 many times in a row post the first Mickey Word fight, all his fights 1095 01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,359 had taken place there. You know, he had lost to Floyd they Weather 1096 01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,720 there, but he also had some big wins there as well, including against 1097 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,000 Mickey Ward in the rematch and in the third fight an event. So that 1098 01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:01,680 was the first fight on that show, and then HBO went out to Carson, 1099 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:06,079 California for I believe two other fights, but one of them involved the 1100 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:11,640 main fight on the card. That was just a barn burner. Had you 1101 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,159 had a Kermit Cintron fight was out there also, but that was not very 1102 01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:16,560 memorable. But the big card, the big fight on that card, the 1103 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,159 main event of the broadcast was a welterweight championship fight between the then WBO title 1104 01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:26,560 holder Antonio Margarito was you know, this is pre hand wrap scandal where he's 1105 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,279 just a badass and nobody wants to fight hard. You know, nose guy, 1106 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,560 great power, great chin, big size, and he was matched up 1107 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,720 with a fighter that a lot of people had a lot of hopes and promise 1108 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,000 for, but it was still relatively untested, and that was Paul Williams, 1109 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:44,039 who was freakishly tall for the way class, also very rangy with great power, 1110 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,920 and everybody was like, Okay, this is gonna be a badass fight, 1111 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,720 and it was exactly that. It was a badass fight. Paul Williams 1112 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,159 was a slight underdog in that fight, but they put on a war and 1113 01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:57,119 Paul Williams got to win and won the WBO welterweight title in just a tremendous 1114 01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:00,840 battle, and at that moment became a guy that nobody wanted to fight because 1115 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,000 he was one of the few guys he Basically it was like this, everybody 1116 01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:08,359 thought Margharito was the most avoided fighter in boxing, and when when Margarita lost 1117 01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:11,279 to Paul Williams, then nobody wanted to fight Paul Williams either, and he 1118 01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:14,720 became the most avoided fighter in boxing. And uh, but that that main 1119 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:19,279 event on HBO, I think is a is a criminally underrated fight between two 1120 01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:23,920 of the top guys of that time, in that mid to mid two thousands 1121 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,039 era, you know, which I covered so closely, was just a hell 1122 01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:30,159 of a fight. I would encourage, so enlighten me because you covered the 1123 01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:34,399 first that the Gaddi fight was the first fight of the night, correct in 1124 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:39,119 the double header. So you're doing the post fight, working your job, 1125 01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:43,039 doing the postfight, and then do they have HBO on in the interviewing room 1126 01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:46,319 or in the press room where you're now watching the call of the second fight, 1127 01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,239 and everybody now becomes like a fight fan because you're not covering that fight. 1128 01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,640 You're not there that's that. That's an odd thing. That doesn't it's 1129 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:58,079 not usual. That's not you doesn't usually. So what happened was the the 1130 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,960 um the Gaddi fight and did and he had been stopped, and you know, 1131 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,479 I wrote, you know, me and others who were their ringside, 1132 01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:09,600 I wrote my story about that fight, you know, and and you file 1133 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,119 your story, and they didn't have my recollection is because our tour had gone 1134 01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:16,319 to the hospital because he had it as lip stitch stuff. Whatever. Post 1135 01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:19,079 I don't remember. I don't remember there there. I'm sure there was a 1136 01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:24,279 post fight press conference that Gomez appeared at. I don't remember the specifics of 1137 01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:27,159 that. And if he did do a post fight you know, they had 1138 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,840 their room was sort of if you walk from where you were sitting at ringside, 1139 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,439 you kind of walked up onto the stage until like a little uh there 1140 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,119 was like a back room there where they did all the post fight interview stuff. 1141 01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:39,199 I don't remember that postfight press conference. If they did have one, 1142 01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:43,560 I don't think it lasted very long. But remember well by the time it 1143 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,119 ended, they still had another fight on HBO to go before they got to 1144 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:49,159 the Paul Williams fight. So if I went to the press conference. I 1145 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:51,960 probably didn't stay very long. I had filed my article from ringside, and 1146 01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:56,680 so in Boardwalk Hall, towards the front of the building, there's an official 1147 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,800 press room. And in that room where they had people who were still working 1148 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,600 in the folks that ran it, they had a large TV set up in 1149 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,239 there, and they had the HBO broadcast on. So when I was done 1150 01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:09,439 at ringside, or even if I had gone to the press carts, I 1151 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,560 went into that press room, and like you said, I checked over my 1152 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,960 story. But I'm now there just as they say, I'm off the clock, 1153 01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:17,039 and we just sat around. You know, other guys are working, 1154 01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:21,319 so you're respectful of not making noise and letting them do their work. But 1155 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,079 we were able to just sort of relax for a little while and watch the 1156 01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:30,720 Paul Williams Margarito fight in the press room at Boardwalk Hall. One mores more 1157 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,039 one more Curious one best of your recollection, Lampley, Larry Merchant. And 1158 01:12:34,079 --> 01:12:38,159 would that have been Emmanuel Steward or would have been George Foreman. Were they 1159 01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:41,880 doing your fight at Boardwalk Hole or were they doing the California fights on the 1160 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,680 Split Crew. You can't be in two places at once. What's the best 1161 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,119 of your recollection. My recollection is that they split up their crew. Remember 1162 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:53,279 they had I believe this to be the case. This this is George was 1163 01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:57,199 already gone from HBO at that point to my knowledge, they had I don't 1164 01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,600 remember how they how they give it it up, but they had. Papa 1165 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,800 had done some fights for them, Max Kellerman was doing some of the boxing 1166 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,800 after Darkness, Rory Jones, Jones. But they listen, they had a 1167 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,399 great group of guys A Lampley, Merchant, Kellerman, Bob Papa, Emmanuel 1168 01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,560 Stewart, and again you'd have to look at the video some former fashion. 1169 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,920 They split those crews up and they handled very professional problem handling those two fights. 1170 01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:24,479 Um uh, but I just remember watching and listen. The bottom line 1171 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,600 is Margareta Williams to me is one of the lost classics of that mid two 1172 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,239 thousands. It wasn't the fight of the year, but it was a hard 1173 01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:34,640 hitting, really good fight at a high level between two guys that nobody wanted 1174 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:40,479 to fight in a classic division, and uh it was. It was a 1175 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,000 way to take the edge off after watching your favorite fighter get his ass kicked 1176 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,600 in his last fight and then unfortunately, and not to get you know, 1177 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,560 dwell on this for too long, but like two years later, almost to 1178 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,279 the day, uh, you know, Arturo Gotti died unfortunately. I mean 1179 01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:56,359 it was a very sad situation. Um to think that was his last fight 1180 01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,600 and two years later he was gone, very depressing. A lot of people 1181 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,359 thought his wife was involved. I'm one of those people. Whatever the case, 1182 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,479 maybe uh you know, he was, he was no longer here. 1183 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,199 Two years later, Dodd, He's it was ruled a suicide. Goddy's family 1184 01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:11,640 has never believed, has always maintained that it was not that it was not 1185 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,319 in that the that was cover up involved with the Brazilian authorities. And uh 1186 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:21,159 so there it remains, it remains to be debated. He died, Uh 1187 01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:26,760 you know what twelve twelve years ago, Uh this this week, and I 1188 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,760 hate to break it to you. Fourteen years ago, nine is fourteen years 1189 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,159 ago, were kitting old? We're getting fourteen years ago was his death, 1190 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,079 and sixteen years ago was the last fight. And of course also the other 1191 01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:39,600 fight we're talking about, which is the Williams in the Margrito fight. So 1192 01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:45,159 we've given you a ton here news wise previews again Showtime PBC card in Las 1193 01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:50,119 Vegas has Frank Martin headlining. Alicia Baumgarner defends all of her titles at Women's 1194 01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:56,439 Junior lightweight in Detroit. We will again talk about those fights and handicap him 1195 01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,319 a little bit on the bet US Boxing Show Live one Eastern Time on Friday 1196 01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:03,239 on the bet Us platforms. With that, we're good here. As I 1197 01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:06,079 always like to say, as we head into the weekend. Whatever happens coming 1198 01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:11,640 off the weekend in the ring news, we're ready to recap it coming overnight 1199 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,279 Sunday into Monday. With that, Dan Raypeel, have a great weekend. 1200 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:18,199 Anything else. In closing, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna give a little 1201 01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:20,520 plug you mention. We're gonna talk about all these fights and whatever else happens 1202 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,479 or the weekend, but I'll give a little plug on that show Sunday night 1203 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,920 on the podcast, my interview with Stephen Fulton, who is now in Japan. 1204 01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,800 He arrived there a few days ago for his very big fight defending the 1205 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,520 unified Junior featherweight title against the great Noya. In a way and what is 1206 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,920 one of the best fights on the schedule. You'll hear Stephen Fulton on this 1207 01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:45,079 podcast an interview I conducted with him before he left for Japan. Love that. 1208 01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:47,439 You'll get that if you're following, if you're subscribing to the Big Fight 1209 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,680 Weekend podcast feed, that's the fight preached unit, recap off the weekend for 1210 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,600 now. I will talk to you on the bet Us show whenever they're hearing 1211 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,600 us. That's Live Friday at one. I always love being when you have 1212 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,520 a good weekend, Dan raypeel you, tuj there we go. I am 1213 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,079 merely TJ Reeves again. Follow subscribe, find us on the Big Fight Weekend 1214 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,359 podcast feed. The preview going into the weekend, the recap coming off the 1215 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,079 weekend. For now, We're good. Enjoy the fights.