WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:14.560 He'll be go be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do 2 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:18.039 this for February fifth, twenty twenty four. For the next hour or so, 3 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:21.120 let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings 4 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:24.920 Live with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, I'm back and oh my god, 5 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.760 why is everything on fire? Ah? But first please join me. Welcome 6 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:32.159 to today's co host to Gay Mess Mornings. It's Mike Minati. Everybody, 7 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:36.000 Mike, how are you doing? Jeff? You've got a fast car and 8 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.479 I got a plan to get us out of here. Yeah, that's been 9 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:41.719 in my head too. We were talking about it before. Literally, here's 10 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.719 out one, everybody, I am. I saw a friend of the site, 11 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:49.479 it mee JP retweet the song that I've already listened to, the performance 12 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.000 from the Grammys last night of Tracy Chapman and Luke Comb's playing Fast Car. 13 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:57.159 I saw him Pete. Then I've listened to it like twenty five times already. 14 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.399 Legitimately, I listened to it again. I'm like, oh, I 15 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.039 got to get in the call with Mike. I see he's in there. 16 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:03.920 Well, I'm just gonna let me you know. I'm it's only a minute 17 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:04.680 and half of this, I'm just gonna finish it. And then I get 18 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.319 in and literally I click in and the first thing Mike does to start singing 19 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.319 the song. So I literally listen to it the shower, I know, 20 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.519 loterally listening to it last night, getting emotional and trying to learn the lyrics. 21 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.079 Oh no, we're all part of a society. It's a really good 22 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.560 song, always has been really always when I heard it as a kid, 23 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.799 I'm like, man, I love this song, and I've only loved it 24 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.040 more as times going by. And Hey, shout out to Luke Combs for 25 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:30.879 like we're bringing more attention to it and like doing a loss and performance with 26 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.519 her. So what is incredible? Yeah, lot's that up? Let's that 27 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:36.879 up? It's really good. Yeah, say, it's all over social media, 28 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:41.280 so you've probably seen it now, But it's social media, social media. 29 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:44.879 Sean Strand becaus Sean's tryna make us feel old. Actually we're timeless, 30 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.079 just like that song, Sean. So sorry you can't get us on this 31 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.560 one. No, I'm not gonna fit. No, I'm not gonna feel 32 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.519 even remotely bad for like gig fast cards. Sorry, No, absolutely not. 33 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.519 Uh, Mike, what did I miss what happened last week? Oh 34 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:05.000 god, yeah, it's a it's bad. I think game they're good. 35 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.479 Ad. How's weird or bad? Weird and bad? All right? Uh? 36 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:13.680 Yeah, when it comes to giant bomb related stuff, I gotten to 37 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.800 a call to do something and Dan was talking about just showing up in a 38 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:20.120 city, getting on a plane and not knowing where it's going. Were you 39 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.560 involved, right? Were you involved in that? And then in any way 40 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.639 like I completely missed out on it. Yeah, that happened during that happened 41 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.840 during the voicemailed dump truck because I said I was going through the beard Fest 42 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:36.080 this weekend, not the beard Fest. Excuse me, the beer festification would 43 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.680 have been sick too though. Uh Like he's like, oh, that's this 44 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.319 weekend. I have these jet blue points where I could have gone. It's 45 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.960 somehow turned into you should just go to an airport like it like a cartoon 46 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.199 or a movie and figure out where you're going to fly, Like what's your 47 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.120 there? Uh, I'm not sure exactly what happened. I thought it wasn't 48 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.719 going to actually happened. It did. Now I think it might have happened. 49 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:59.960 It happened, It did happen. Yeah, I don't know what's what's 50 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:02.319 okay to say, so I'll just like hold off because maybe it's a surprise. 51 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:06.039 I think there's a video happening or something bit of a surprise, but 52 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.039 he did post something to Instagrams. It's not entirely it's a surprise. Jan 53 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:14.520 has all the footage, he says. Okay, Dan did mention in our 54 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.280 chat that he says, I did so much stuff in twenty four hours, 55 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.680 so all right, cool, And there was like some weird like serendipitous moments 56 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.120 and stuff like that, so look out for that. Whatever that happens. 57 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.599 The big moment of griffrom is gonna be a completely different person next time we 58 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.639 see him. This is the start of his presidential arc. Now he's gonna 59 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.960 be president by the time he's done now and then okay, yeah, and 60 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.680 the video games seem weird, I suppose we should probably just get into it 61 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:44.919 because there's a bunch of big stories. I'll explain what we do here first. 62 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:47.080 Most weekdays, I Jeff Greub, will help piece your gaming life back 63 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.000 together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our own original reporting. 64 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.280 Got a little bit for you all today for all these topics, I'll 65 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.039 get the input of a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. 66 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.159 If you were watching live on Twitch, welcome. You can always listen to 67 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.199 the show later on podcast feeds by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find 68 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.840 the RSS on giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the show later 69 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.960 with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have 70 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.720 a lot to get into, so let's start the Morning Mess with Microsoft plans 71 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:24.160 Starfield launch for PlayStation five. This is a headline from John Sick of Mechanico 72 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:29.199 Clark at Xbox Era, which has kind of kicked off this latest batch of 73 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.000 reporting. It's wild out there, everybody. For many weeks now, you 74 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.439 know what, I'm gonna read these first two stories. We've got one from 75 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.399 the Virgeness. Well, I'm just gonna read these stories and then we'll talk 76 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:41.279 about it. For many weeks now, rumors have persisted regarding Microsoft's intentions to 77 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.199 release a number of first party games, namely High Fi Russian Sea of Thieves 78 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.079 on rival platforms. According to our sources, who have asked to remain anonymous 79 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:53.319 because they were not authorized to talk about company plans, that list of games 80 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:58.720 also includes Bethesda Game Studios Starfield. Starfield released back in August of twenty twenty 81 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.720 three to fairly positive versts option despite the narrative that now exists online, and 82 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:09.680 it was the biggest meath'stic game. Yeah John, you throw your punches and 83 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.120 what's the biggest fathastic game launch of all time, surpassing six million players within 84 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.439 a week of release. Now it looks as though Microsoft is planning on bringing 85 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:20.199 but aesa's newest RPG universe to an entirely new platform, the PlayStation five. 86 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:26.120 According to sources, we understand that currently Microsoft is planning to launch Starfield on 87 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.160 PlayStation five post the release of the already announced Shattered Space expansion for Xbox and 88 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.519 PC, which is on target to arrive at some point later this year. 89 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:38.560 It's basically like a year of exclusivity on Xbox and then goes to PlayStation five 90 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:43.759 a year or more around a year basically as the as the already existing rumors 91 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.720 have suggested, the idea of bringing first party titles to competing console platforms marks 92 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.360 a massive change in strategy for Microsoft, and from what I understand, it's 93 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:55.920 not been without fierce internal debate on this new direction. That's also something that 94 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:00.319 we've begun hearing a little bit more about Uh. The Verge added to this, 95 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.319 and I actually got the story by way of Darren Bonteus at GameSpot. 96 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:08.519 Indiana Jones and other Xbox first party games could be coming to PS five, 97 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:13.839 Xbox and PC platform exclusivity for games from Microsoft's first party studios could be coming 98 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:15.879 to an end, as a new report indicates that the company is looking to 99 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.439 take a multi platform approach moving forward. According to a report from The Verge, 100 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:26.040 Microsoft is weighing up which titles will remain exclusive in others that will appear 101 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:29.839 on Switch or PS five in the future. Indiana Jones in the Great Circles 102 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.720 reportedly being considered for a PS five launch, but only after the game has 103 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:38.720 had a rather short short period of exclusivity on Microsoft platforms, possibly launching in 104 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.920 December twenty twenty four that be on Xbox, and then sometime early next year, 105 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.560 I suppose on PS five. Meanwhile, xbox Er claims that Starfield could 106 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.079 also make the jump to other platforms. All right, let's see kind of 107 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:57.360 where to start on all of this. Yeah, this is definitely a big 108 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:02.360 change, because here's in the early part of acquiring Zinnimax. Mike, I 109 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:08.240 remember like looking into this and there was a ton of conversation, is Starfield 110 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.000 going to be exclusive? That was like a conversation for years and years, 111 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.279 and eventually I got I got like to look at some of the math they 112 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.279 did when they decided, Hey, we are going to make these things exclusive 113 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.360 to Xbox because that's going to be beneficial to game Pass. That was the 114 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:28.120 reasoning then, and that meant no, for real like real deal exclusive never 115 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.920 come into PlayStation at that time. That's what it meant. Something has obviously 116 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.560 changed, Mike. If I had to point at one one key thing here, 117 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.560 I would say they were probably hoping that Starfield would have done better than 118 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.319 it did. They are now looking at like, Okay, Starfield can't even 119 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.120 that exists online. I'm sorry, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, it's 120 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:53.199 like this. I think they were expecting more from Starfield, and even if 121 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.319 Starfield did do all right, I'm sure it did do all right. I 122 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.519 think they're looking at the slate of games internally. One of the common things 123 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.639 people a say online right now is Microsoft didn't even give their twenty eighteen acquisitions 124 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.199 a chance. Those studios never really got to release the big games that we're 125 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.800 gonna turn everything around. My guess here is they are looking at the games 126 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.120 being made and be like, man, it's gonna be very hard to put 127 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.600 the time and money and effort into these things to turn them into the kinds 128 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:24.199 of Game of the Year contenders that would actually change things. And we're gonna 129 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.600 we can't just keep chasing that because it's actually really really hard to do and 130 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.639 we couldn't even do it with Starfield. So now here we are, So 131 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:37.279 something's changed. Mike, how are you feeling about all this? I'm weirded 132 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.240 out, I guess, And maybe I'm just as Sean suggested, old big 133 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.200 PlayStation Nintendo Xbox are a pretty long time now, and maybe this is is 134 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.480 be really freaking out and being like, well, this is the end of 135 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.000 Xbox as we know it. Anyways, I don't know if this is like 136 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.440 a fool Sega moment for them. It's if it does get to a point 137 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:03.159 where if Xbox is just really leasing its games on PlayStation, it gets pretty 138 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:09.000 hard to imagine why people buy an Xbox instead of a PlayStation. Maybe does 139 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.960 I think I'm just saying it's like I think that's it's a slippery slope argument, 140 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.360 but it's what I fully am on board with. I think you're right, 141 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.240 like, I think we're already on that path right where it's becoming more 142 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.759 and more difficult to convince people to buy xboxes. Uh. And I think 143 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.919 Microsoft said is a kind of situation where it's like, we have to continue 144 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.720 investing in trying to get people to buy xboxes or do we have to figure 145 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:35.279 something else out? And I don't know what the other thing is, but 146 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.559 it does feel like they are choosing that rather than trying to get the Xbox 147 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.159 back up to someplace where it can compete with the PS five. I guess 148 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:46.519 it does color my perception of all those acquisitions a bit differently. It was 149 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.639 one thing when yeah, we're doing all this so we can really you know, 150 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.399 compete with PlayStation and have you know, better first party content. And 151 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.600 now it's like, oh, we did all that and we're just going to 152 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.759 become some giant third party publisher, right, I mean, well, what 153 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.279 here with that? And Embracer Group, this the whole acquisition season right in 154 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.840 with this giant deal, and now we're here and it's like, oh, 155 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.799 that that didn't work. I guess yeah, I mean I do know internally 156 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.679 that they're just they are not happy with the amount of money that all this 157 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.440 stuff is making. And I think we definitely know that about Embracer. I 158 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.279 think the kind of a similar thing happened with Microsoft, not probably to that 159 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:30.080 extreme, but game Pass has installed. Essentially, that was the big the 160 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:31.720 differentiator, that was going to be the thing that was going to disrupt everything, 161 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:33.879 and it's stalled and they were going to grow. Now they're going to 162 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.960 like, hey, they're talking about growth on PC. That's not really doing 163 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.840 it. That's not it's just the reality is that that that's actually not going 164 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.919 to like replace the amount of growth that they were getting from console. And 165 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.240 so I mean they're looking down the barrel of several years of figuring out, 166 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.600 Okay, how do we piece together some relatively big jumps in growth for game 167 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.000 Pass and they'll probably find it here and there, But it's not like this 168 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.399 inevitable thing the way Netflix felt like it was. And so I think they 169 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.240 they have to kind of drastically change things. And or do they have to? 170 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.759 I mean, I think you said, like, hey, they have 171 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.480 enough money to keep competing the way that they have, and I think that 172 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.559 that's right, But at a certain point, it's like they keep doing the 173 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.720 same thing over and over again and it doesn't work out, and they I 174 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.440 think they're looking at this as an opportunity to be like, hey, we 175 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:22.960 just made a bunch of big acquisitions. We can change things and maybe start 176 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.360 thinking like trying to leap frog into a future that is possible instead of just 177 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.279 being like, Okay, well we're here. We got to keep trying to 178 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.440 do exactly what PlayStation's doing, but a lot of times just kind of a 179 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.159 little bit worse or without a lot of the software support. And so I 180 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.639 get the need internally for them to be like, listen, we got to 181 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.080 change something. I just yeah, I guess, but you know, like 182 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.879 with Nintendo when like the GameCube did so very well and they had to change 183 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.960 something, even though even back then people were like, oh, we're going 184 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.320 to see Mario games on PlayStation. Well no, they just like made an 185 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.519 interesting console. When the WU didn't do well, then they made an interesting 186 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:05.080 console. I guess I would hope that maybe that's where x what Xbox is 187 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.200 thinking here, like what are something we can do to differentiate and really come 188 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.679 back and compete. I guess I find this perhaps completely throwing in the towel 189 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.519 situation a bit weird and a bit concerning, and not that you know, 190 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:22.000 we talked about competition and places will have competition from other sources. It's all 191 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.879 really weird. I do think there was some value in having Xbox without it 192 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.159 very direct competition, and I am worried what missing that is going to look 193 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.440 like. Yeah, and I mean I don't think it's impossible to argue that. 194 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.440 You're right, there's definitely like, there's no way the PlayStation five would 195 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.360 have been just five hundred dollars at launch had there not been an Xbox right 196 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.080 there. They held each other's prices down, like we witnessed it, like 197 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.720 we're like, what's the price going to be? And we like it was 198 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.679 up to the last minute. And it's because those two companies were playing chicken. 199 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.159 It is clear as day that that was advantageous for consumers. At the 200 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.200 end of the day, that these two companies were going head to head. 201 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.960 I think that, yeah, I mean, the prices are going to go 202 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.039 up for PlayStation stuff. I think it was it's probably what this is gonna 203 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.440 mean, It was already happening a little bit. It probably will get a 204 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.000 little bit worse. But I think that for like, thinking from the perspective 205 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:20.159 of these companies trying to out PlayStation PlayStation. When PlayStation is like kind of 206 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.519 like, we don't know what we're doing next, and we're spending three hundred 207 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.919 million dollars on these games, It's like, to what end are we fighting? 208 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.240 At a certain point, I think that's like the underlying story here is 209 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.759 that these two companies were fighting a console war and now they're like looking around, 210 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:37.840 and sure, Sony definitely won it, but I think they're both looking 211 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.759 at it like why wait, why do we do all this? Like we're 212 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.519 kind of in a situation where we don't know what is next and we we're 213 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.159 gonna have to figure this out regardless of what happens with our competition. So 214 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.399 I think they're like both like looking at their own risks as the number one 215 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.240 priority of figuring that out rather than looking at their competition, and that is 216 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.120 causing them to like rethink a lot of these things that they just held as 217 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:05.799 true based on habit from a very long time. You know, if we 218 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.919 start like trying to figure out, Okay, so what does this look like 219 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.679 for the future of Xbox, I think they are still figuring it out. 220 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.240 That is like, there does seem to be internal debate about what this should 221 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.240 look like and what this should be, but the kinds of games that are 222 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.240 being considered, It's like when we first started talking about this a few weeks 223 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.639 ago, Mike, it was, hey, yeah, Hi Fi Rush makes 224 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.840 a lot of sense. CEF Thieves that's six years old. That makes a 225 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:30.320 ton of sense. And I think we said Pentiment at the time. Well, 226 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.679 Pentiment also being considered. That's an obvious one, right, Okay, 227 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.200 But the other one that I've heard is definitely under consideration. Doesn't mean it's 228 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.000 going to happen, but it's in talks is Gears of War. Gears of 229 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.240 War is like being considered for this, and that's like it's hagelo than Gears 230 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:50.080 of War, right in terms of like icons of Xbox of actual legacy Xbox 231 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.080 franchises like Forts are Sure, Yeah, that would be that's the I mean, 232 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.000 that would just be signaling that this is the way things are, right, 233 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.679 that's what you do. If you put Gears on PlayStation, I mean, 234 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.480 then yeah, you're not holding anything back. You're not holding anything back. 235 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.399 You might as well just put Halo on PlayStation. Two, and they 236 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:09.360 probably would. They probably will, So for me, it does feel like 237 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.799 this is happening though. And yeah, while they're debating exactly what it's going 238 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.120 to look like, I do feel like Xbox is not going to go back 239 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:24.120 to just being the x Xbox console is not going to just be a PS 240 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.000 five but with an Xbox logo on it, the way the Xbox Series X 241 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.720 is in many ways. Yeah, there's some slight differences, but I think 242 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.399 they are going to go for some drastic changes. I still think there will 243 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:37.080 be Xbox hardware. Whether or not people want to buy that hardware, well, 244 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.759 I think that. I think this forces into a situation where they need 245 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.320 to make that hardware compelling on its own. Maybe not. They probably won't 246 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.039 be able to do it in the way that the Switch did, where it's 247 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.480 just like man having the Switch with me all the time. That is such 248 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.759 a benefit. I want this thing, But they have to find something. 249 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.759 I mean, you know, while you're gone. There's a lot of rumors 250 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:58.759 about PlayStation and too some rumors about Xbox kind of both racing and try to 251 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:00.840 make a new porta ball you say, a new portable these days. I 252 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.159 don't think Vita too I think just a portable version of your hardware that can 253 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:07.679 be docked. I think, you know, you want to make a switch 254 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.480 yep. And I think these wonder if there's a race of that. I 255 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.120 think there probably is. I think that's it's like a pretty challenging race because 256 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:17.759 you know, we've talked about this before in some of our other shows. 257 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.759 The hardware is not there yet for that at least to get to like Xbox 258 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:29.200 Series S power levels. The system was just you can't None of the chips 259 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:30.840 out there are close to that yet. In the next couple of years, 260 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:36.200 things could change very fast. We probably will be. AMD is definitely trying 261 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.360 to race to have more efficiency on their chips so they can get to that 262 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:44.080 point. At the same time, I think that in Vidia is going to 263 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.799 keep trying to push into this area, and I think that will like reveal 264 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.360 their architecture of like, hey, we're gonna start building some of our own 265 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.039 CPUs. CPUs like that that came out of us trying to acquire arm and 266 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:59.559 when we didn't do that, we've found an alternative path. Maybe that alternative 267 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.480 path manifest and then being like, hey, we have a system on a 268 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:04.480 chip that a lot of these companies can use similar to what we do with 269 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.759 Nintendo, but maybe even more powerful and a lot more expensive. That definitely 270 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:19.079 could be possible for people that are like worried about the slippery slope of Hey, 271 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:22.759 people are going to stop buying xboxes, and that means Microsoft's going to 272 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.680 stop making xboxes, and that means the ecosystem is going to go away, 273 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.119 and all that money I invested into this ecosystem is going to evaporate overnight one 274 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:34.599 day. And I like they're looking several steps ahead. But I don't blame 275 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.799 them. I mean, it does feel like we could potentially be on that 276 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.680 path, right right, And I guess, you know, it's not like 277 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.720 in you know, the old days, Jeff, where an Xbox just come 278 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.200 out and suddenly be in the race or a PlayStation. If Xbox goes out, 279 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.920 it's not like anything is ever going to be able to come in and 280 00:17:55.000 --> 00:18:00.599 suddenly be places you get better or be one of those ever again in right. 281 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.480 So in some ways that's what makes I guess the Xbox and Polication brands 282 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.319 a bit precious these days. And maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe it's all 283 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:12.279 just heading towards everything basically being computers now anyways. I mean that is kind 284 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.319 of happening. It's happening with things like steam Deck, right. Yeah, 285 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.519 at some point, it's all probably just going to be PC based in some 286 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.400 way or another. I don't know how many bespoke consoles are going to exist. 287 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.000 I mean, I mean, I think you started it off, right, 288 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.480 Mike. We're old. We are used to things working in a certain 289 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.680 way for a very long time now, and I think what is really happening 290 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.519 here is these companies are looking around and being like, we actually can't keep 291 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.039 we can't compete in the way that we used to. And you know, 292 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.079 once again goes back to that letter Phil Spencer wrote about, Hey, when 293 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.680 you had retail and you had a shelf space in a store and you had 294 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.400 access to that, that is what kept you separate from all these other indie 295 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.920 developers that were just trying to break in the scene in the early digital Internet, 296 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:03.160 and so that advantage was huge and that has gone away, and now 297 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:08.160 it's like there is no advantage at all anymore. Retail completely deprecated. There 298 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:12.039 are fourteen thousand games coming on on Steam every year, these things, and 299 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.359 like if one percent of those is good, that's a huge number of games, 300 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.079 probably equivalent about equivalent to the number of games that were getting released on 301 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.480 consoles in the early days of our lives, like when we were like a 302 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:27.799 neees and stuff like that. So the industry has already changed. It's already 303 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:36.119 changed. The big companies reliably releasing games at a regular cadence just feels like 304 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.759 there are few that have figured it out. Capcom, Ubi stuff just like 305 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:42.480 struggling to like figure it out. They're like they can continue to like have 306 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.960 these fits and starts, and now they're like they're in a bad way again. 307 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.960 So it's like these Nintendo and the Nintendo has figured it out right, 308 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.519 and but for a company like Microsoft, they're like trying to buy their way 309 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.160 into figuring that out. And I still think they probably will get to that 310 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.799 point in some way, but there's still have to compete with games coming out 311 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.480 on Steam and probably very soon in a world where mobile is just going to 312 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:10.079 be as powerful as a console and it's gonna really it's going to be very 313 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.559 difficult for them to stand out. And I think they are looking ahead to 314 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:17.759 that future and they're trying to plan for that. I just don't know how 315 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.359 when once you get past the hardware. How does an Xbox ecosystem matter. 316 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:25.759 I think it's very hard to make that case. I don't know how they 317 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.920 do it right. And I mean, I guess game pass is something. 318 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:34.240 Do you think PlayStation will ever allow game pests on their service? You think 319 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:40.160 they'll lighten up to that if there's a world where there is no like Xbox 320 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:41.480 Box or you think they're still like, well, why would we do that? 321 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:47.240 We want to sell people ps now subscriptions. I think they would do 322 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.480 it, but it would have to be like the more limited version that only 323 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:55.319 has stuff that's owned via Xbox, so similar to like you play or you'd 324 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.279 be soft play or whatever they call it. And these days I can't remember 325 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:07.559 anymore that's possible. But again it's just like, yeah, PlayStation is very 326 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.000 successful, has it sells very well, but I think Microsoft just trying to 327 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.000 look beyond console. And I mean, we know that's what I mean. 328 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.319 He said as much to you at Summer Game Fest, you know, GBA 329 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.160 night, That's what he told you that right then, And my ears, 330 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.240 I I think I told you right afterwards how I was a little surprised and 331 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:30.480 I was freaked out by how then he was deemphasizing the box. I mean, 332 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.559 this has been something clearly on Phil's mind. I would guess he's the 333 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.599 one that's driving this conversation a lot, probably from opposition to some of the 334 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.279 company, like you said, but I definitely think that this is his vision. 335 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.720 Yeah, I mean, was this the original vision or is this the 336 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.200 one that's born out of the reality that he finds himself in. I probably 337 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.200 a little bit of both, but but yeah, I mean I think they've 338 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.119 been saying this for a while and a lot of us I think, you 339 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:57.240 know, you definitely heard it then, and I was like hearing it then, 340 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.240 I'm like, I was trying to like find the wiggle room. Well, 341 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.000 yeah, of course, but Xbox still right, and it's like maybe 342 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:08.039 not. Things are changing pretty fast, and I think Xbox is going to 343 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.640 try to figure out what that looks like and it's going to be pretty messy 344 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:17.799 going forward. Now. The other thing I can I corroborate is that a 345 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.480 rumor that there will be something at the end of February where they're going to 346 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:25.519 explain this change. That is something that they definitely were talking about. Do 347 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:30.519 they move that up? They probably should, because the fallout online from this 348 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.680 really has been a lot of people being like, I am now afraid to 349 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.599 buy games digitally on my Xbox or just to invest any more money in Xbox 350 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.240 because people are seeing that future and they're like, I don't know if I 351 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:47.799 trust this anymore because I was buying this under the assumption that there would be 352 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:51.000 hardware to support all this and that would be the central hub, and I 353 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.880 can come back to that, and that offers a sense of security as someone 354 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.160 who's buying something that you're you're invested in the hardware platform, Well, I'll 355 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.839 invest as well, and then I'll spend buy some games on there. Once 356 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:02.799 you take away that, that, like Keystone, a lot of people's faith 357 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:07.599 and they begin to get shaken pretty fast. Do you think that they're gonna 358 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.680 have to talk about this like this week or do you think they just keep 359 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:17.480 letting the conversation happen and they stick to their plans. I think Singer might 360 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.880 be better, but I feel like that there's just maybe still a debate happening. 361 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.400 I don't think the plans are settled, and now you don't want to 362 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:29.079 be a situation where you're racing to figure out the plans so you can explain 363 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.559 it to people, then that can get messy. But yeah, I mean, 364 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:33.839 god thinks are gonna move fast, right, I mean we all think 365 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.440 a Placation five pro is coming, and we don't think a mid jener refresh 366 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:42.440 from Xbox is happening, right, I mean you know, so that's already 367 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.559 going to tip things further one way. But then you talk about Gears of 368 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.160 War. I mean that's true. Then Gears of War will look better on 369 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.200 PlayStations than it will on the Xbox, right, Like this is going to 370 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:59.400 move very fast. If this starts happening like this. Yeah, and those 371 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:00.519 little things like we say that, it's like, okay, we'll sew what 372 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.960 I mean, it'll look better on PC. I mean those stories add up 373 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:10.279 fast, and it just makes it feel like the Xbox brand is not valuable 374 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:15.160 and it is easy to ignore. And that's kind of death and I in 375 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.440 a lot of ways for a brand when it's like, oh well, I 376 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:22.079 mean you're not investing in it. Why would I? And so it's like 377 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.160 again you come right back to that to people thinking it's going to go away, 378 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.759 and some it is going to go the way of Sega. It's easy 379 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:32.000 to assume that based on like what like we're sniffing out of these things. 380 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:36.119 They could come out and clear this up and I think set people's minds at 381 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.440 ease. But they could also continue doing what Microsoft has been doing for a 382 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.759 very long time now, which is like saying one thing and then a few 383 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:48.519 months later kind of doing something that feels like the opposite. So we'll see, 384 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.440 all right, we're gonna take a quick break. When we get back, 385 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.680 we'll start speculating about what's gonna happen with with a Nintendo direct. If 386 00:24:53.759 --> 00:25:06.559 one's gonna happen, we'll see right after this, all right, getting right 387 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.880 back into it, Mike, Nintendo Switches Online service spotlights Donkey Kong with a 388 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:15.079 new hub. Nintendo seems to be slowly putting the spotlight back on Donkey Kong 389 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.480 with a series of announcements in recent times. He will also start on the 390 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.519 upcoming release of Mario versus Donkey Kong Do Out on Switch later this month. 391 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.920 With this in mind, Nintendo has now launched a special section and then Nintendo 392 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:30.400 Switch Online Hub highlighting Donkey Kong's retro series You've Got the Arcade and nes Classics, 393 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:36.240 followed by Rarest Donkey Kong Country Trilogy for the Super Nintendo DK VI, 394 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:40.680 and a Donkey Kong fan site pointed this out, and people are speculating that 395 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.480 maybe they're doing this because they want to bring more attention to Donkey Kong because 396 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.680 there is a maybe a new Donkey Kong game coming. At the very least, 397 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.640 we know Donkey Kong is getting a lot of focus because he seems to 398 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.319 be He's gonna be a big part of the movies, and they have the 399 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:59.359 ride happening at Universal, but also that stuff could also be part of and 400 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.400 there's a game, Well, how do you feel about it? I mean, 401 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:03.920 I don't know if this is necessarily about that. I think this could 402 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.640 just be about Mario and Donkey versus Donkey Kong. That's what I mentioned. 403 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.559 But also, of course the Donkey Kong game is coming. That is a 404 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:17.480 big name, It is a big franchise. It's kind of the one that 405 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.880 was missing in terms of a completely new outing on the switch. At least 406 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.000 so far, they can still squeeze one in there. Some of that was 407 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.480 just kind of a victim of circumstance because Retro was making those games and they 408 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.720 obviously got tied up into Metro point four, which is a very big project. 409 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.960 But you know, whether it is that rumor about Donkey Kong being a 410 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.920 part of the next three D Mario game or somebody else making a Donkey Kong 411 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.359 country, there's going to be a new Donkey Kong game within the next couple 412 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.720 of years, I imagine, Yeah, I think that's probably right. Do 413 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:56.160 you think that this is something that could show up at a direct maybe in 414 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:03.200 the next couple of days or next week by the latest. Well, at 415 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.480 this point, I imagine whatever that Donkey Kong something is is a switch to 416 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:11.880 game. And I'm still just not sure how much they're talking about that yet 417 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.880 at the direct. I know before you told me you didn't think they would 418 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.400 talk about the switch to at all in the kind of first direct guess the 419 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.559 year because the guess and I'm trying to suss that out now myself, and 420 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.039 it is this question of what, well do you talk about then? And 421 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.079 there are things like, obviously you saw this Peace Show time coming out, 422 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.079 you do have a Metro Prime four. Let's let's just talk about it, 423 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.000 all right. So if metroy Prime four isn't at this direct mic and isn't 424 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.680 like, oh, Metro Prime four is coming out soon, for the Switch 425 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.759 You've won the bet, like it's definitely gonna be I agree, Yes, 426 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:48.039 I think you got it's in terms of that being a Switch one game primarily 427 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.039 right, And so I'm like when I say stuff like, I don't think 428 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:52.960 the Switch two will be like get listen. It might get mentioned, It 429 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.920 could get mentioned, but I don't think it'll It probably won't get mentioned in 430 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.119 my opinion, because I'm working backwards from I still think metroy Prime four to 431 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.400 Switch one game, and it stars at this direct and that sets them up 432 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.200 until they get, you know, past that, and then they really go 433 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.160 all in on Switch To. That may or may not happen. If it 434 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.039 doesn't happen, then I think the rollout of what's happening with Ninton over the 435 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.400 next several months looks very different. It probably does involve Metro Prime four being 436 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.240 a cross gen game, and they start talking about switch To relatively quickly. 437 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:27.319 The timing does make some sense, right because we're in February, so that 438 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:33.799 gives you what like six to nine months of marketing time, and that is 439 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.160 a window in which launch you new hardware. You could definitely start talking about 440 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:41.880 it at any moment during that time, but we'll see, Like if they 441 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.680 don't mention Switch to and they don't have Metro Prime four, I guess there's 442 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.039 a chance it could just be like kind of a fart of a Nintendo Direct. 443 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.039 But what is there anything else that could show up that would make you 444 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.799 feel better? Now? I mean they will. I kind of hope we 445 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.839 get Metric Prime two. We mastered Shadow Dropped. I've been really looking forward 446 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.359 you playing that one. There are things like that fire remblem when you make 447 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.920 of the geneology, genealogy, genealogy of the Holy Wars, there's that. 448 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.880 So there are things like other ports like there, I say, Win Waker 449 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.480 or or you know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I know, 450 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.119 I know. But I don't think we're going to be getting I don't. 451 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:27.240 I don't think there's going to be another Giant Switch only game on the 452 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:33.160 level of maybe even a Pigment four again anymore. I think we are going 453 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.599 to be getting some like cool things like Princess Peach and some really nice remakes 454 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:44.519 or remasters like Thousand Your Door or or Metally Prime two. But otherwise I 455 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.119 think it's coasting a little bit. But I don't know. There's gotta be 456 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.880 something for the summer. That's that's a big excite. I think that's I 457 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.400 know, that's where you think much right, prime for could a lot in 458 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.519 here? Could it? Could? It could? So maybe there's something else 459 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:03.839 happening then. But we know how badly they were burnch trying to support the 460 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.400 three DS kind of leading up to and past the switch coming out, and 461 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.960 how people just kind of stopped caring and obvious, I don't think people are 462 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.400 there with the switch. No, when people talk about the switch right now, 463 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.160 they are talking about what's next, what is switched to? That is 464 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.039 the conversation. This entire direct is going to be shaped around that conversation, 465 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.839 right and then with there when there, when there is the switch to, 466 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.400 which is a possibility that's gonna be what people are talking about. Is this 467 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.200 anxiety is still not really knowing what that is, what that looks like. 468 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.119 Am I gonna be able to play my old games? Is gonna have an 469 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.000 all it and all almost the price, all this ot of stuff. I 470 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:45.119 do think at some point, just officially acknowledging it is going to help them. 471 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.960 Yeah, And I think I do think the direct probably is gonna happen 472 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.680 this week. Well, hopefully we find out by tomorrow whether or not that's 473 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:57.759 true. Uh, but they have their earnings happening. A lot of stuff 474 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.759 is lining up where it's like, hey, they could start talking about that 475 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:07.920 hardware. And when I think back the Metroid Prime four, there's really there's 476 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.079 two big options. You do treat it like, hey, this is equivalent 477 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.680 to Zelda in our mind, and we do want it to be crossjenks. 478 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.039 We want it to be a launch game for the next platform and it's that 479 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.759 important to us. And then still it's on the old hardware, so I 480 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.440 can still sell to that huge audience. At the same time, I think 481 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.920 that Nintendo knows the reality and the limits of Metroid and they're like, we 482 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.960 should just sell it on the system that has the most people and just make 483 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.240 it like clear that it's for that and try to keep people excited about the 484 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.839 switch while we still have them buying games on the switch. So it's it's 485 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.400 tough to figure out, like which way they're going to go. They could 486 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.400 easily choose the route of making it a cross gym game. I just think 487 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:53.359 it it won't be like a Zelda or a Mario where it's like a huge 488 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.119 system seller. At least it doesn't seem like it could be, So that 489 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.839 don't even you don't even entertain the possibility of it just being out right switch 490 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.160 to exclusive, because I still think that's a possible. No, that's possible 491 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.960 to it definitely is, but I hope it's not, because that means it's 492 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.759 probably a much further off than what we're talking about here. I want to 493 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.200 play it now. Other things, you know, Geniality at Holy War, 494 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:21.119 Metroid Prime two three remasters could could come. Uh, do you want to 495 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.079 get excited about Spoon Heaven Hollow Night with whoever? The game is silk so 496 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.359 so sauce, Yeah, soak songs, they're big suckery. I don't know. 497 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.799 It's so weird at this point. It's like that game's got to come 498 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.599 out eventually, right, it's definitely big enough at this point to just show 499 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.359 up at a direct proper But it's such a fools there and at this point 500 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.200 it's weird. Is even when we do finally see it, Like we did 501 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.279 finally see it at that Xbox they got some point and it was like, 502 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.200 okay, well, still is it coming out any times soon? I guess 503 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.480 it was nice to see it. Yeah, the Xbox was like the one 504 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.559 where it's like everything's coming in the next twelve months too. That one especially 505 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.720 hurts. That's good stuff, man, right, So uh, I mean, 506 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.039 Ben, that's that's gonna be probably a pretty big game. I mean 507 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:08.079 I get it in some sense because Hollow Night is like the giant metro Vinya. 508 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.160 That's kind of like part of its whole shtick. And once, uh, 509 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.240 once Silk Song became a full game set of DLC, I could see 510 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.960 while they kept having to sort of add ad ad and add to it to 511 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.480 make it as massive, still still a little surprising it is taking that long. 512 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.759 And then as some of chat here, let's see see if I can 513 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.839 find their name. Yeah, ham Sorrow says, where is Mario Baseball? 514 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.880 That could easily be a big summer game? Well big, that could be 515 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.319 a summer game for Nintendo pretty easily. Yeah, although usually you want to 516 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.440 line those things up with with like April baseball season, which I guess could 517 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.759 still happen. Maybe it just comes down the summer. Anyway, it's Mario 518 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.279 baseball. I don't think it's Mario baseball. Just shit it out. Whenever 519 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.200 somebody's playing baseball somewhere, will hit a ball with his arm again. It'll 520 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.640 be great, It'll be fantastic. Uh hey again, if if a direct 521 00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.519 happens, we'll talk over it. And if it doesn't, that'd be really 522 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.599 weird. Actually, so let's move on here. Suicide Squad tops the UK 523 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.199 physical charts this week. This is from Chris Scullion at VGC and we have 524 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.920 the two dogs inside of all of us of stories for Suicide Suicide Squad. 525 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.280 Here in a second, Suicide Squad Killed the Justice League is the number one 526 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.480 best selling physical game in this week's UK chart. It's according to Games Industry 527 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.519 that Business Chris Dring, the game took the number one spot this week, 528 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.559 ahead of Persona three Reload. During also points out the Suicide Squad sold a 529 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.440 fewer physical games at launch in the UK than Tech and eight did, but 530 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.559 sold more than the last of US two Remastered. It should, of course 531 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.480 be noted that the last of US two Remastered offered a ten pound ten dollars 532 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.719 upgrade for owners of the PS four version, which would have which would make 533 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.559 a clear impact on sales. I think, oh okay. According to Drink 534 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:51.199 Stats, Suicide Squad's physical UK launch is about half of what the Guardians of 535 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.800 the Galaxy game sold in a first week in the country. Oh yeah, 536 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.920 that's that's it, right, that's I mean, that's the whole story right 537 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.239 there. We know that that game was pretty disappointing in terms of sales. 538 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.960 I mean it probably got to, like I'm disappointing. It sold millions of 539 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.800 copies, probably like two three million. Honestly, I don't know, but 540 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.519 half that's my dread numbers. Oh no, yeah, right, that's exactly. 541 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.199 That's not an option for Suicide Squad. Seven years of development or whatever 542 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:29.679 the hell. It was very long time since Rex Studies last game. Yeah, 543 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.960 that you know. The other story is that Suicide Squad sees less than 544 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.880 half the day one Steam players of Avengers. That's from Jordan Miller at VGC. 545 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.760 Suicide Squad Killed the Justice League has seen less than half of the day 546 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:46.239 one Steam players as Marvel's Adventures. Yeah, it had thirteen, four and 547 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.800 fifty nine, and Avengers at launch had twenty nine, nine and sixteen. 548 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.480 And that's good current players. I mean, Dead on Arrival maybe feels a 549 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.840 bit harsh, But people don't love this game. Some people like it. 550 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.320 The writing seems to be like some people's favorite I saw some jokes that actually 551 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.280 I thought were very funny, but that's not enough to get me excited to 552 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.599 play the game. And the people who are playing the game that I would 553 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:14.039 expect to be the most gentle on it, like Greg Miller, he gave 554 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.880 it a two out of five, Sony, Any chance you're going to go 555 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.280 play Suicide Squad here, Mike, Oh yeah, I definitely want to jump 556 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.199 in and at least see it for myself. I suppose. I mean, 557 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.159 I don't know, Jeff. It seems to kind of just be shaking out, 558 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.079 like I think we thought it would shake out. Yeah, almost from 559 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:35.519 the moment this game was announced, we're just sort of feel like, I 560 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.159 don't know if that's a good fit. Yep, And it seems like it 561 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.840 wasn't a good fit. And like we you know, it was very clear 562 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.920 over the last year and a half or so when it's like live service games 563 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.960 were kind of entering this shaky period and in the last several months where a 564 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.320 bunch of live service games shut down and big ones, small ones, all 565 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.639 different sizes, they just like we're going away, and you're like, oh 566 00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.199 man, this is gonna be a rough time for Suicide Squad to end or 567 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.559 the world when we kind of already know what the reality is for for for 568 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.639 live service games, you know, some games have something for everyone. It's 569 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.559 like Suicide Squad has something for everyone to probably hate. If everyone's gonna find 570 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:15.840 something for some people will be just kind of that that tone it cares for 571 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:19.639 some people, it'll be all the live service elements. For some people's gonna 572 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.039 be like you're doctor Batman, and you know, like there's just a lot 573 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:28.639 here that somebody is going to find repulsive in some way or off putting. 574 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.239 I suppose, you know, it's a shame because I it's even with the 575 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:35.960 reviews, right, everybody kind of has like the one thing that they do, 576 00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.760 Like they always point out what I do like this, and then other 577 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:44.559 things not so much. Oh hey, where'd my camera go to? My 578 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.639 camera? Oh no, that was you. I killed you. Okay, 579 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:52.000 let's see here. The people are like, hey, the Suicide Squad is 580 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.480 just boring and it's all to play, and it's like, yeah, I 581 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.280 don't even know if like I want to play it, but I might play 582 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.519 it mostly on my own time. I guess maybe we will try to do 583 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.360 something on the site with it, but like no, I mean, but 584 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.320 like again as a co op thing because it is so cutscene heavy. I'm 585 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.079 like that right, and like hell Hell Divers is out this week, and 586 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.639 I'm like, well we'll do that for UPF. That's like, that'll be 587 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.280 a good time because that's doine I could see how like I know we should 588 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.400 play on the site, and we should. It's gonna be like we're gonna 589 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.079 get bored and talk with cuts these and people are gonna get mad at us. 590 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.679 Right, Well, we'll find some way to do something with Suicide Squad 591 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.639 probably, but like for when we have like a thought like oh hey, 592 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.840 UPF, let's get four of us together play a game Suicide Squad. Now 593 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.079 we're going with Hell Divers. I want to play Hell Divers instead. So 594 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.360 it does feel like Suicide Squad's already come and gone. I think you're gonna 595 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:44.800 be in a situation where Huge Games Final Fantasy seven Rebirth is out in a 596 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.199 little bit, and I don't think a lot of people are going to look 597 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.320 back and even be like, oh I should go back to Suicide Squad or 598 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.599 if I was playing it and having an okay time, I think a lot 599 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.599 of people are gonna be like I put it down I'm not going to go 600 00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.360 back to it. The game feels like a huge, huge, like tragedy 601 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.000 for rock Steady. This feels like a lot of wasted time, a lot 602 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.400 of wasted money, and now what the hell does that studio go and do 603 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:13.360 next? To the leadership left like about a year ago. I think maybe 604 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.960 it was a little bit longer than that. They I think they probably at 605 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.000 the time I was, we were all saying, like, this is not 606 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:21.960 some special insight, man, they probably know something that we don't, And 607 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.320 by looking at it, most of us did know like what this game was 608 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.079 going to be. So it's like, God, how do you screw this 609 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:29.800 up this bad? And I think it's just chasing. It really is just 610 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.639 chasing after live service stuff and then not knowing how to do that and making 611 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.280 these weird decisions like people want to play as the Suicide Squad instead of as 612 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:38.840 Batman. I mean, I guess they had Gotham nights and stuff, but 613 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:44.000 him, you couldn't play Batman in that either. How do they do this, 614 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.159 Mike? How do they fuck this up so bad? Honestly, it's 615 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.400 like it's like, okay, so you can't plays Batman, so who should 616 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.400 we play? As of all these characters like Wonder Woman and and bat at 617 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:57.400 Superman. If it's like first one was like night Wing, right, then 618 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.000 they're like get Boomerang. There's a lot of fans who love these characters. 619 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.280 But guys, come on, Yeah, I don't want to say DC fans 620 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:09.960 don't matter, but I don't say they're not real people don't deserve right though, 621 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.800 Like it's yeah, it's like, uh, it's like what a bunch 622 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.639 of people yelled at me when you're playing that Batman game, because some like 623 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:21.840 the person who was like the fifth Batman protege, did your ladies show up? 624 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.920 I was like, who's that? Then? Obviously that's like Cassandra, 625 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:34.159 Obviously these aren't real Batman fans like you got me, You're right, Yeah, 626 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.800 And Suicide Squad does just feel like one that was such a risky choice 627 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.519 at the time, because yeah, that movie made a lot of money on 628 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:49.039 like wishes and farts and and and then the second trailer trailer right and then 629 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.039 because a bunch of people like dressing up as Hardy Quid for Halloween that exactly, 630 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.159 and then it's like the it's a terrible movie, and that poisoned the 631 00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:00.239 second movie which did nothing even though it's actually very good. And so it's 632 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.440 like, man, they are stuck on this. They have to keep making 633 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.719 a suicide squad. They can't change it now. But hey, here we 634 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.199 are. I mean, I think that's why you're going to see like, 635 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.960 yeah, we're talking about how license games are. Fact, Jeff, it 636 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.199 is going to be very safe licenses. It's going to be stuff that has 637 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.360 been around since dinosaurs, like us, we're watching VHS tapes. I'm sorry, 638 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.519 Yeah, we apologize everybody you're stuck with. Uh huh. You know, 639 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.079 the EA's got those several Marvel games, no guarantee that any of those 640 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.920 hit like a Spider Man does. It's like it really is like, yeah, 641 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.840 spider Man can work, and that's set the internet. Man. That's 642 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.159 the end of the list. I don't know what else can work like Superman, 643 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.599 Like that's a challenging thing on its own. But I don't think like 644 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.960 people don't are just not going to get out of bed because there's a Superman 645 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.000 game, Like it has to be a great game. It has to be. 646 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.639 It was Batman and it was Spider Man, and that's the list, 647 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.239 and I think everything after that is going to be kind of a big risk. 648 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.000 It's some of that is legacy because they're just there hasn't been a good 649 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.440 Superman game, right, Yeah, there's like what the death of Superman, 650 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.639 the weird beat him up that Blizzard made that was okay, Yeah, like 651 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.719 a bunch of really bad stuff. All right, let's keep moving here. 652 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.519 Star Wars Jedi Survivor won a Grammy beating out Stray Gods. This is from 653 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.639 Darren Bonfuse at game Spot. Star Wars Jedi Survivor has picked up a big 654 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.199 wins. The game's soundtrack was honored with a Grammy during this year's Music Industry 655 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.840 Awards event, recognized for Best Score Soundtrack for Video Games and Other Interactive Media. 656 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.920 The award went to composers Steven Barton and Gordy Habe. Mike, you 657 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.480 want to yell about this. I'm sure this is not your choice for best 658 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.199 music from a game. A little I gos a little confusing, because I 659 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:42.480 mean, we did a whole day talking about video game music from that year 660 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.840 on this site. I don't know if we talked about Star Wars Jedi Survivor. 661 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.320 I guess I shouldn't be shocked that the people from the Grammys weren't heavily 662 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:57.000 considering the Octopath Draft sound draft. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, 663 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.840 here's from a bunch of people who probably didn't play very manyvideo games thought 664 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.800 was the best video game sound trick of the year. Okay, if I 665 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.880 could eliminate any one award show, it probably would be the Grammys. Like 666 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.760 the music like until we Got Fast Card okay, listen, yes, and 667 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.280 actually the show itself, like that was pretty and entertaining. I suppose, 668 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:22.679 just like music awards are so weird because it's such a subjective thing. Like 669 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.119 in video games. It's like there's there's this on the screen craft that goes 670 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.039 along with the artistry and all that stuff. Music, it's just like you 671 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.519 like it or you don't. I don't know what else to say. I 672 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.280 mean, obviously there's craft in it, but there's well crafted songs that people 673 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.079 are like, I don't like this at all. It just doesn't vibe with 674 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.559 me, and so I'm gonna give it award to something else. It's just 675 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.400 weird, uh, all right. Japanese celebrities have reportedly been told not to 676 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:51.800 mention Power World to avoid Pokemon backlash. This is from Jordan Midler at VGC. 677 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.519 It's like Mitcheining and the Mafia. Japanese entertainment professionals have been reportedly told 678 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.719 to refrain from mentioning Powell World in public or on social media to avoid potential 679 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.079 backlash from the Pokemon company. Tokyo Sports reports that, according to a talent 680 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.280 talent agency source, talent have been advised not to mention the game in case 681 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:13.360 there are are issues. We have told our talent not to mention Power World 682 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.679 on social media or in public. The source said this was done out of 683 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:21.119 consideration for the Pokemon side as an agency. This decision was made in consideration 684 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.480 of future potential collaborations. And that's power right there is the Pokemon coming. 685 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.360 Didn't have to say anything, and they're just like the fear struck into its 686 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.320 literally like Mafia power It really is. Yeah, I can change the way 687 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.880 we talk about things as we're worried about upsetting you talking about normal things just 688 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.719 going on. And that also I think it also speaks to just how popular 689 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.159 and powerful Power World has become because they probably didn't need to say this about 690 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:52.840 Robopond or Meta Box. I don't think no, probably it was just fine. 691 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.400 I mean Powerld's on h on Game Pass and it's doing very well. 692 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.840 They're like, I mean, is that a boost for them at all? 693 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.480 Is it? Or is it still just not really anything for them to get 694 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.440 super excited about. Uh for for Xbox, I mean, I think it's 695 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.760 every little bit helps, But I mean, I think it really comes down 696 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:16.880 to how many new subscriptions they're adding. I think they were expecting a significant 697 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.719 boost due to Starfield, and I don't think Starfield led to that significant boost 698 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.639 in the way that they thought it would. And now everything else is kind 699 00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:28.039 of like, well, Okay, even Powerworld's working better than we expected. 700 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.000 There's no way Power World is driving the kind of thing that they expected Starfield 701 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.840 to do for them. Yeah, I guess the good news is, you 702 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.559 know why with Starfield it maybe just wasn't quite good enough. But again, 703 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.079 are you fee looking at your pipeline, like, well, what that was 704 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.920 our shot in terms of like potentially being this mass appealing thing, Like, 705 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:52.639 yeah, we have help Blake too this year, and but that's you know, 706 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.280 maybe a bit more niche. We have Indiana Jones that's gonna be hit, 707 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.000 But man, nobody saw that last movie. Is that going to really 708 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.559 be able to be some of some absolutely massive, massive thing. Who knows. 709 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.280 Yeah, I guess I could see why if Starfield didn't do what they 710 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.840 did for them, I could see that being so disheartening and so big that 711 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.039 it can change your entire strategy. Yeah, I mean, and again, 712 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.719 like you know, people will say, when like we're talking, when I'm 713 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.159 talking about this on Twitter, well what about all the other games that got 714 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.079 announced that had to come out there in a perfect dark and avowed and all 715 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.840 these other ones. And I mean, let's just like, let's be realistic, 716 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.119 realistic, and let's like think what what is probably happening. What's probably 717 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.320 happening is the people in charge of Xbox are going and looking at these games 718 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.960 and saying, well, we don't expect any of these things to do what 719 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.679 we expected Starfield to do. And even if the ones might suddenly break out, 720 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.000 one breakout hit is not enough. It has to be a consistent string 721 00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.559 of massive successes to do any dentt into what we need to dent in order 722 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.599 to make a change in the industry in terms of our market share and things 723 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.880 like that. And so it's like it's an uphill climb, it's one that 724 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:08.159 might actually be impossible, and They're just that they haven't been good at it 725 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.000 so far, and so to expect like, oh, it's suddenly going to 726 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.519 change because all these other unknown games. Why not put yourself in a situation 727 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:22.239 where just releasing pretty good games is a huge win on its own. Now, 728 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.119 what does that look like? Again? Who knows, But just the 729 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:29.320 idea that they're like, oh, all these games waiting in the wings to 730 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:34.400 change Microsoft's fortune, I think the reality is, no, that's not happening, 731 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.880 and that could be I think that should be disheartening to a certain extent, 732 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:44.719 but I think it's also reckoning with reality, all right. Finally, 733 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:50.320 Nintendo expects to announce thirteen percent rise in third card third quarter net profit tomorrow. 734 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.039 That's according to industry analysts that are looking at when Nintendo might report their 735 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.679 earnings. Will be announced this week. This is from my Nintendo News. 736 00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.320 Nintendo is set to announce it's third quarter results tomorrow, and there's a number 737 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.920 of things to look for. Market Watch says that they expect Nintendo to announce 738 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.960 a hefty thirteen percent rise in net profit to one hundred and thirty point three 739 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:13.440 seven billion yen. Nintendo previously made around one hundred and fifteen point seven eight 740 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:17.280 billion net. Basically, the industry is expecting big, a big boost for 741 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.880 Nintendo in terms of profitability across the board, and that's a pretty good sign, 742 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:27.920 especially for a time when like you would expect profits to be dripping off 743 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.280 because they're investing so much in the next gen hardware. It seems like Nintendo 744 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:37.679 is saving money by making fucking LCDs instead of O leads. But yeah, 745 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:43.880 uh, Nintendo in terms of like where they're at financially, they are very 746 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.960 strong, but they want to invest in making a lot more games. Mike, 747 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:47.719 do you think that they are going to be able to do that in 748 00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.000 a way that's sustainable and like, while a lot of these other companies have 749 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:53.800 struggled, do you think there's a Nintendo way of doing things where they're going 750 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.800 to be able to maintain this as they go into the switch to I don't 751 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.119 think it's going to come for Nintendo, oh little bit here, I think, 752 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.840 you know, I mean it has already in some ways, right, 753 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.320 I mean Tiers of the Kingdom took a very long time to make, and 754 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.679 that was a Zelda game that was using a lot from its predecessor, I 755 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.239 mean, probably specifically to save time too write like they probably did that to 756 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:21.320 save time and it was still like seven years. Yeah, I think that, 757 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.480 you know, that's just the reality of making games, especially certain kind 758 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.079 of games. And for a while they got, okay, we're making like 759 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.800 a Pigment four, so that that's okay, it won't take quite as long. 760 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.800 We could still make that somehow beat this million dollar soellar and have an 761 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.400 advantage there that they can present games of that kind of investments as big deals 762 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:44.159 in a way that Microsoft struggles to with something like a High Fi Rush, 763 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.280 Right, But no games are going to get longer to make it. Eventually, 764 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.239 it is going to feel like, oh, we don't get as many 765 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.360 big matel games as we used to now. I think they're aware of that, 766 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.239 and that's why we do get things. And they have the benefit of 767 00:49:55.239 --> 00:50:00.360 being able to do things like remasters and remakes, or like what people were 768 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.519 saying La too long ago, maybe partnering with more indie studios or just other 769 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.960 third party publishers and giving them kind of the keys of the kingdom, letting 770 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.840 them play with your characters, just so that you are constantly releasing these franchises. 771 00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.519 I mean, that's so much of it is that Nintendo has invested in 772 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.480 all these franchises and kind of diagnosing what happened with Xbox. I think they 773 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.880 really lost a trick where you know, we talk about actual Xbox franchises. 774 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:28.679 They're still going on that people care about. It's like Halo, which took 775 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.679 just taking a big beating lately. It's Gears, which has been gone for 776 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:35.840 a while, and Fortza, which is fortsa like that that's nice, but 777 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.239 you know, like and Nintendo was able to do things like keep making fire 778 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.280 emblems when it wasn't the biggest do in the world until suddenly it is a 779 00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.599 big deal, like it was Installment eleven or something like that. Yeah, 780 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:51.039 whereas microsofts will make two Crimson skies and like both of them are are good 781 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.400 and do okay, and they're like, well, we're not doing that ever 782 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.639 again anymore because it wasn't some giant hit right away, or you mean, 783 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.840 you know, like, you know, we joked about Blinks the Time Sleeper, 784 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:00.639 but like why not like make new blinks of time Sleep for every five 785 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:06.079 six years and eventually just kind of by proxy, it becomes beloved and then 786 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.960 it can blow up at any point, you know. PlayStation time this problem 787 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:14.840 to a lesser degree two of losing a lot of its legacy franchises just because 788 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.239 they don't have those Japanese studios who made those games anymore. That is Nintendo's 789 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.280 biggest strength is that it has a lot of legacy and it still capitalizes on 790 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:28.039 that legacy. Yeah, I mean, I think there's something to what you're 791 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.320 saying about sticking to things. Like I think a few years back, maybe 792 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.639 five ten years, people looking at the Japanese video game and industry would be 793 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.159 like, well, we should probably like kind of really deemphasize that, and 794 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.480 Sony definitely has they like, we want to sell games globally and that means 795 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.960 not worrying so much about what the Japanese audience wants, and Nintendo's like, 796 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.800 well, I'm just gonna keep doing me. And now their Japanese sales continue 797 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.639 to grow year over year, and it's it's in a situation where like they 798 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.000 dominate the chart. There was like the best selling games in Japan and you 799 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.039 know the the fifteen sixteen of them are just Nintendo games, and a lot 800 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.760 of that is Nintendo does have a longer legacy and then that stuff is paying 801 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:14.360 off. But a lot of it's just like No, Nintendo slowly sort of 802 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:19.559 just molded itself into the kind of company that fit with the way Japanese gamers 803 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.360 are playing, and then they are at the same time, they just kept 804 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:23.719 making the games that they've always made, and like, oh, those two, 805 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.280 those two things wrapped back around, and now the Japanese audiences are showing 806 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:32.320 up and droves for like Splatoon and for Pickman four, a game that sold 807 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.079 a million copies physically in Japan alone or something like that. Maybe it's like 808 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.719 physical and digital, but a million copies for Pickman four alone in Japan. 809 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.679 That's something that we just don't see many of these other companies even attempting, 810 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.679 let alone succeeding at So yeah, all right, I mean, you know, 811 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.719 like an Xbox like does like find itself in position of Benja Kazui and 812 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.639 they make kind of like one weird game with it. It's like, oh, 813 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:59.519 oh, well, yeah, then never ever again. And I mean 814 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:05.239 I think that's that that fear during that portion of like the Xbox era was 815 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.320 definitely real. And and I remember Phil Spencer talking a bunch of times about 816 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.639 like getting into destiny and like looking at telemetry data and saying people are watching 817 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.480 a lot of TV, and they're and they're playing one game a lot, 818 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:20.519 or playing one or two games a whole bunch. Uh So why are we 819 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.679 making all these games that these people aren't playing? So you can't, I 820 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.760 don't think you can think that way. And their answer to that was game 821 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.400 pass. They did to the to the you know, to their point. 822 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:31.559 To their credit, they came up with their own solution to that problem that 823 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:37.119 they created in their heads. But maybe maybe at a certain point it was 824 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.760 too little, too late. And now we're like, okay, so you 825 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:44.360 put out pentiment and all these other things that are kind of beloved, but 826 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.800 they they do feel like they are. People are asking where are the big 827 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:51.360 games in this service? And and it's just, I don't know, too 828 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.480 little, too late in a lot of ways. All right, let's start 829 00:53:54.480 --> 00:54:00.360 wrapping things up. I got the pull question from well Man more than a 830 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.079 week. I said the Xbox series X was a really bad name and it 831 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.800 might have like an impact of the kind. Do you think I was right 832 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.280 there? Do you think that name is bad? And that didn't help? 833 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.920 I think I'm right. Yes, I was gonna say I think that you 834 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.599 have to look at all the factors and I don't think that that is not 835 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.079 a fact. That definitely is something that contributed in some ways. I don't 836 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.719 think it's the only thing, and definitely not the dely not, but yeah, 837 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.960 you bet he back going back to Xbox One and you know the whole 838 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.039 everything with Halo first, it wasn't a lunch Ago was supposed to do that. 839 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.559 It came out and it didn't do what it needed to do. Well 840 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:36.239 of things just didn't do what they needed to do, all right. Poll 841 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.079 question from last week, what update cycle do you want to see for handheld 842 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:45.440 PCs? Uh seven percent say they want a major annual update like phones, 843 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.400 twenty five percent say they don't care about handheld PCs, and sixty eight percent 844 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.119 say they want an update about every three years or so, which seems to 845 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.800 be what steam deck is going to do. And I've I've been playing that 846 00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:01.079 percent of three reload on my raw ally and it's been kind of amazing. 847 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:07.159 I've been having such a good time with that because I have not been using 848 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.559 the handheld pieces too much. I've had so much stuff to play on my 849 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.840 switch that I had just been doing that, and here it was finally like 850 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.920 okay, well, persona it's such as a big kind of grinding, but 851 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:21.079 in a nice way DRPG And I'm going to sit on my computer and do 852 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.599 that. I want to do that and cozy Betty by time, and god, 853 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.960 it works really well on that machine. It's fantastic. Yeah, I 854 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.639 was touched out the Neo slide for a while and and I like that thing, 855 00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:37.719 but I went back to the steam deck o led boy boy, that 856 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.000 think's very good. And honestly, using the slide and finding it a bit 857 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:45.239 uncomfortable made me really appreciate how comfortable the rog is at the battery life. 858 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.480 When the thing it's just kind of rough. That's it is it is, 859 00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.280 and it's like it's a good thing. I'm literally just right by its charger 860 00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:52.639 in the bed there, or I am playing in a way where I am 861 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.800 probably just going to play an hour to ninety minutes at night. But yes, 862 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.119 it's not the battery. And when you have that thing plugged in, 863 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:00.559 you actually get the better formats anyhow, because as long as you use the 864 00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:04.679 charger when it comes with it, it like boosts even higher than turbo. 865 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.320 So that's that's pretty cool. You know where I wonder where in that charger 866 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.559 find I think you get that. I didn't get like thirty watts instead of 867 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.400 twenty five. What's there's probably a way to customize it so that you can 868 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.639 do that with any charger, but it definitely just automatically does it with the 869 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.440 charger that came in the box. All right, I have a new poll 870 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:23.519 question. We'll get that up in a second, but before well, while 871 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.400 we get that set up, Mike, why don't you tell people where they 872 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.800 can find you where, like what we have going on? All that good 873 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.440 stuff? Yeah? Yeah, do check out games Beats where I am managing 874 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.800 editor. Nineties Disney had a new episode go up to start the month about 875 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:44.639 Castle of Illusions starring Mickey Mouse. They're talking about some Mickey Mouse video games 876 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:49.079 on nineties Disney, So uh yeah, take take a listen if you haven't. 877 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.840 It was a lot of fun for me. Good stuff. How about 878 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:53.159 you, Jeff, what do you have going on? Do you have a 879 00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.519 nice week off? Yeah? It was nice, It was it was yeah. 880 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.440 I mean it was fun to like hop pop back in on stuff and 881 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.880 help out. It was a lot of fun doing Dan Doko there and people 882 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.800 should go watch that. I had a really good time obviously. Blake Club 883 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:12.639 was tremendous. Uh continues to be a really great season. Looking forward to 884 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.920 doing more of that this week. So yeah, Giant Bomb will have a 885 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.920 whole bunch of stuff this week. Well, we're gonna go in the MEETI 886 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.639 and figure that out. But like I said, we'll probably play hell Divers 887 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:23.920 on Friday. Maybe that could change, could shift around, but probably Helldivers 888 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:28.400 on Friday, Blake Club on Wednesday. We'll get a few other things in 889 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.800 there. I'll probably finish off a Tale of the Sun. I want to 890 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.760 do that, So maybe maybe we could do that today, even it depends 891 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.199 on whether or not I take the kid this speech. Yeah, you've been 892 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:37.760 doing a lot of mammos. You can't be too far off right exactly. 893 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.079 I think we are. We're on our on our way to get in there. 894 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.760 Come. Every time I talked to you on Twitter, I get all 895 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:51.719 these replies about like something to do with foreign governments and something. I don't 896 00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.360 know. There's a lot of that idea. You don't take a lot of 897 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:59.239 Russian bots or I think it's German. Actually, I know, why did 898 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.960 the German all up in your mention? I have no idea. I did 899 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.199 not notice this. I might have them filtered out because I talk to you 900 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.400 on Twitter. I get a bunch of Yeah, one of them literally as 901 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.199 a bored ape profile. A lot of them too, actually weird. No, 902 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.000 I seriously have not seen this. I see the porn ebots find everything. 903 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:20.719 Yeah, I see that. You know, you know what's in bio 904 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.320 all of the time. I don't know. I know. Maybe I'm just 905 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.280 very popular with people trying to manipulate governments. It makes sense if you think 906 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.280 about it. I like that. All right. A new pole question. 907 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:35.760 Are you concerned about the future of your Xbox purchases? Yes? Or no? 908 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.280 We'll get that up there and we'll discuss that on Games Mornings on Wednesday, 909 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:44.559 which will be in the next episode tomorrow is the Giant BombCast. Be 910 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.280 sure to tune in for that. I can't wait to get back on that 911 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.079 show and get everything going again this week. All right, Mikey, thank 912 00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:52.119 you so much for hanging out with me today and talking about video games. 913 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.840 I really appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I thought i'd switch it up 914 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:59.079 and talk to you about these things for a change. Yeah. You know, 915 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:00.519 we always like to keep people on their toes. I was I was 916 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.800 actually very I was like almost axious to talk to you about. So I 917 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:07.119 was very happy I could be. Yeah, me too. I was like, 918 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:07.880 yeah, but if I can get Mikey, that'd be great. So 919 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.480 we hadn't talked about this stuff, and I got miss game mess and stuff 920 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.119 last week, so the our podcast. So yeah, it's been a minute. 921 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.679 All right, everybody, thank you for watching your the best audience in 922 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:21.280 gaming. Until next time, have a good one, take care of yourself, 923 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:23.800 and goodbye. Fait a bla